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obloquy in this country ? They could not but feel
convinced that the Governments not only of this
but of their own countries, were engaged iu the
Persecution of that illustrious Princess. He re-
ferred to page 12,1 of Barbara Kress, where it
Would be found that two Ambassadors only were
busilyth engaged in packing up, and sending off
at valuable piece of goods, and which had been
duly landed on our grateful shores by the zealous
care of Baden and De Grimm, whose glorious
and reputable employment was to collect wit-
/a"ses for this Bill. Under all these circum-
stances he contended that there were substantial
- reminds for believing that undue influence had
h et' employed. When they saw that means were
"shl to compel and enforce the attendance of wit-
tileesses, their Lordships could not but conclude
i'lat these failing, others would not be left un-
ri''(}. On this subject he would call their Lord-
'iPs' attention to the manner in which the case
the remuneration
been conducted on their side with respect to
remuneration of the witnesses ; but their Lord-
fs "Ps would have remarked the universal spirit Of
urgetfuluess which pervaded the minds of all the
;"'ituesses after the exorbitant rate received by
•;e Captain and Mate came to their knowledge.
`after that none of the witnesses would allow
tthat he received any thing. Had they not been
, he
and clamorous to obtain information on this
!t'umt, but had it not been as cautiously•and in-
ftstriously withheld ? At the close of his Learn-
-11,, I"riend, the Attorney-General's case, he ap-
Zd t° the House for delay, on the ground of
ti-uesses not yet arrived. Why, as in ordi-
dlr.)" eases hi the Courts below, did he.not pro-
the Solicitor, or some accredited person at:-
i't'-`"tited with the case, and the manner in which
as got up, to state his belief that these wit-
ti-sses Were important to the case ? The reason,
s("ubtle„ was, to prevent their obtaining that
tlaiti,sara,c,t°rY informa.ti.(,i which should convince
Po that their suspicions were unfounded. Mr.
v. wen, for instance, could have entirely satisfied
°II this head. In the realm of Italy, as in
'tie-r,?' °tiler, no doubt there were consciences to
s•ou,ve,
; and as it was suspected that money
tYoul Ueeilemployed, and lavished -openly, it
'ftve been .as well to have cleared the
to 'tt)l-ruP• He then made some observations as
port t,' nature' of the witnesses called in sup-
s of the Bill, whom he considered generally
• I•v4rthless characters, and. that the whole case
.j3t °9 tided and grounded in perjury. Her Mal-
Y Was scareful and cautious as to have a .
.•4y,s o
xxio,t sumebody by to witness her most. open,..
Profligate, and most disgusting familiarities.
• this be believed ? Is it possible that her
Pale'tY can be supposed to have forgotten I. 06?
•that Your Lordships readily and easily believe
EilLs she as ignorant of - spies being at the time
11e1;("xuuding her, offering bribes to her servants ?
aiesty knew it, and yet she exposed her-
fif
teeg‘ the evidence is to be believed) to num-
} -etwrhen any familiarity took place between
and Bergami. He came to the evidencei
of
;at':, who swore that the entrance tot
was-
th ''S room from her Majesty's apartment rgh the t:l4d a cabinet, and their Lordships con-
f that that was the only communication
her Majesty's room to Bergami's ; but it
that "at out, instead of being as Majocci described,
Ivlrot`tere was another way of communication,
Itt,tt,Le there was no person who could have seeni
ik,cig,":i"g to Bergami's room. In page 39, l a-
states, that there might be another source
-"'Tnunication from the Princess's room to
'6orrrrni's• It was also found out that in the
Where Majocci had sworn that he was
fe
t, trug, in bed, when her Majesty passed through
4:44:1,t there was no bed in it, but only a sofa,
ikic,is'ere was also a fire in the room ; .and Ma-
"l,As:s duty was to watch, and not sleep, fdr he
loYed to sit Up during Bergami's
vl'Se illness.
ss }ter Majesty wished to expose her guilt to
4lartr,,v4ti°ll, would she have gone through an
\qe,t-sfit where there was a person watching,
c)rt,,, there was a way toy Bergami's room by a
t'v,:-'unication through which, as site passed, no
kai,"l.ld have seen her ? The statement of
111,xiue-eci was contrary to reason and probability..
\vereP ''as asked if the Princess's apartments
I do distant from Bergami's room ?—He replied,
trioLremember. Do you not know where
gte family slept ?—I remember, where the
and Bergami slept, but not et;:y body
tilat h I remember. This witness first swore
%v, „k-•r; • d• id not know whether the apartments
ear ordistant : and afterwards he swore
-
len •
'• new where the apartments were. Ile
into the evidence given of what took
414,
tat ellarnitz—contended that her Majesty,
rr,Hrelbeep described to have undressed, had
110 trio:`a•l'en off her blue riding habit, and had
Ire wash gone One to bed in her ordinary way, than
tuent ‘,41-", bed at that moment. 'That the state-
licti bad been made was false, would
ap-
pear b
the pt.'. aud bye. To what had been said of
~boulditlrleess having reposed at that time, he
gnat
t-4%e occasion again to recur, as there fence
enedeal of evidence—of triumphant evi-
-4,ltre) thank
God for the Queen. Had his
Tull 1
Oilll Friend examined the witnesses more
4PY this subject, the House would have been
°llseses2i" of inure of the real facts of the case.
examination had been inadverte:Ltly clos-
\vk'six could
excuse it if his Learned Friend
111f=re (,),t aware of the real character of what had
therr,etl, it :;hewed a remarkable ignorance
I'l4 . , and if he did, then he could only
41)st• •
ease • 'll4'A from going further to make his
ble sLltrioiti(i,,e,r.aritc this did not appear to
••4 to 0 ,
fair towards her Majesty the
HitLrlit'hiLt had been assumed that her Majesty,when
"'tut' e tent, Was undressed ; (he then read over a
l'iti'rPosten(e)fes\iiden.ce at pages 30-0. and 3'21, for the
" clewing that the witness had stated
(Ifeic"id not recollect whether she had un-
lit, (ler 711 •
her to
or. not, after previously re-
it., to have been undressed as usual.)
hail been examined before at Milan
fi,ll "4.and and been
t'Ll, 154 noijea_ ; ' Sworn to her evidence,
Li, • •L,.edof before—or only heard of to be
Ali uPon, and reprobated. After this (in-
te
I'l r.N.{,
.learned Gentletnau), was it quite fair
*I"tY to leave it to be inferred that she

was undressed when she was left under the tent?
It was only by attention to minute circumstances
that the truth could be ascertained, and in this
instance the usual operations of time, the loss of
witnesses, And other events, might have pre.
vented the real facts of the case, and to these
circumstances he would therefore entreat—he
would implore—and, their Lordships would ex-
cuse the language, but on the part of his mis-
tress, her Majesty the Queen—he would demand
their attention. in the examination in chief of
the witness, whose evidence was the subject of
his comments, did she state the fact which she
had subsequently stated, or did she not ? If she
did not, she concealed an important fact, and, to
avoid an odious monosyllable, he would say that
she had committed a double entendre on oath.
At all events, she had stopped short in a way
most injurious to her Majesty. At Naples, her
Majesty had been charged with assuming the
character of the Genius of History at a masque-
rade. The examination on this subject ran
thus :

Q. Dia her Majesty chnne her dress entirely ?—A. Yes.
Q. Di I you as.ist her ?—A. I dia not.
Q. Did you then know any thing about it?--A. No, I did
not ; fur I was nut in the room.

What the witness meant by an entire change of
dress was not further explained, and the answer given to the
leading, or rather to the (trivia, question put to the witness,
was left against her Majesty, and seemed to intimate that she
taken off every particle of her dress when she ....eat into
the room. Ile had now to call the attention of their Lord
'Ships to the slimming up of tire Solicitor-General, who had
di:played not Merely the Zeal of an Advocate, but la some in-
stances the imagination of a Poet. He then contended, that
on his part it Was not quite fair to leave, as he had done,
certain- unexplained parts of the evidence to operate
against the *teen, which, when understood, it would be
seep iu no way supported the charges preferred
against her M'ajr,ify. When Majoeci, whom their Lordships
had not forgotten, and whose name never would be forgotten
while the English nitrite and the English language endured,
had been first examined, it was supposed that he had just
come to thi's country for The first time. Which of their Lord-
ships believed that he had been in Gloucestershire, in Lon-
don,and elsewhere in England before ? It was only from casual
information that they learned Majocei had been in England
before. He stood at the bar, as it was supposed, as (lull as a
post to the questions asked, till they were put through the
interpreter, all of which, or nearly all, he understood very
well without his aid, and took advantage of the delay which
this mode of examining hint occasioned to frame his answer.
Why. was it' not previously made known to their Lordships
that he had been in England ? This could not have injured
the prosecution, but it might have enabled them to inquire
into the character of Majoeci ; that might have done something
for the Queen, and might have damaged hitn, and thereby
served, it not saved the realm of England. Those things which
he had noticed might have occurred inadvertently, but it was
remarkable that all these accidents were on one side. The
Captain, who would shortly go hack to his home loaded with
'honours and wealth that would surprize his countrymen, had,
it seemed, an unsatisfied and disputed demand upon Bergami,
it) respect of that voyage. This he apprehended must have
been known, and he would ask, did not this encourage a sur-
mise. that he would riot be quite an impartial witness, when
the (lace!) was on one side, anti the Government who paid
him so well on the other? He now returned to what had
been said of the Queen's assuming the character of the Genius
of Mc:ny at a Masquerade, and had to notice the com-
mentary of the Solicitor-General on that most memorable,
but as it would turn out, most frivolous and contemptible
incident. The Solicitor-General had assumed that her Ma-
jesty had retired to change her dress entirely, leaving her
chamber-maid in an anti-room, while the Courier retired with
her to her bed chamber, where he remained during the whole
time she was changing her dress. This was nut borne out by
the evidence. And having beard the devout peroration of his
Learned Friend, in which he hoped the Queen would come
triumphantly through the inquiry, he was surprised that he
should task his imagination to produce this bold asahmation—
this gratuitous charge—this false statement—this tact that
was untrue, and which should be proved to be untrue. He
had further stated, that the Queen rem4itted linked up with
Bergarai for an hour. This was another gratuitous assertion.
It had been stated, and had been Sworn by the witness Du-
mont at Milan, though 'she 'did 'nut venture to swear it
here, that the dress her Majesty wore as the Genius of
History was gross, indecent, and disgusting. This was un-
true'; it had not been proved in evidence ; it had been
asserted by the Attorney-General, but their Lordships
had not, and could not, call upon her to disprove that
which had not been proved by her Majesty's accusers. When
Dumont was asked about the dress wore at the Theatre
St. Carlos, at Naples, by her Majesty, which dress had been
stated to hare been grossly indecent, she said, it was ill
shaped, it Was ugly, and there it ended. Dumont did swear
that tier Majesty had excited the indignation of the audience,
and had been hissed off by them. Butt this was a fact which
could 'easily have been proved by more than one witness, and
which by more than one witness lie would prove to he basely
false, and completely. unfounded. In swearing so, she
had committed a wicked, abominable, and atrocious false-
hood, because, to a mighty people, it was a dangerous false-
hood. He ‘llol.lld IIOW call their Lordships' attention to
the curious coincidence that Majocci's memory should be of
the same description :—memory all on one side, not an or-
dinary, not a natural, but he would say, an impossible me-
mory. He would give instances which would make it es clear
as that the sun was not gone down, that a man might be guilty
of as palpable perjury in a negative shape as in the shape of
commission. lie should refer their Lordships to page 6, and
page 40 of Majocci's evidence. In page fig it was intended
to strow that the Queen had visited Bergami whilst he was
sick, and in order to drive her Majesty to call that persons
as a witness, Majocci, who usually avoided naming indivi-
duals, had condescended to mention Dr. Holland as one of
the parties present. At the bottom of page 39, it would be
seen that he had been asked in cross-examination, whether
Bergami walked up and down his room ; this he, of course,
cupid not remember. In page 40, the following question
would tie found; " Was Berganii att etlth:d by any medical
man ?" What said that ever memoraide and trust-worthy,
Non nu ricurdo, to this ? He had the audacity to pervert
again his memory, because the atfeet would be against the
Queen, and to swear that he did not remember whether
Dr. Holland attended or rot, though be had previously sworn
that Dr. Holland was present ? 0 impartial memory of
Majoeci ! 0 memory all eo one side, that could recollect
and forget as he pleased ! Was not this a wilful, wick-
ed, and pernicious misrepresentation of truth ?—He would
now advert to a most singular amendment in the memo-
ry of another witness ; of Dumont, who, after t epeated
di Ming, had at last become efficient. When he had first cross-
exami tied her, not a word about doulde entendre had escaped
her lips. She mentioned is letter siren to her at tea by an
unknown person, and it fortane to be raised in the capital of
Europe, bat it was not until after she had held a eonsulta•
tion not one hundred miles distant limn that house, and had
taken daring a whole night counsel from her pillow, that she
made ally attempt to explain away her statements, by repre-
senting them as doable entendres. The next morning, how-
ever, before any questions had been putt to her on the subject,
she stated that she had an explanation to give with respect to
those letters, and out it came in the shape of a bet speech, a per-
fect oratiou, having a 11CglIMIllg, a middle, and all end, like
those of Cicero or of hisLearued Friend the Attorney-General,
the only man X1)0111 it WaS fitting to name after the Roman ora-
tor. She alit. wished the House to helleve,that she had spent to
time in any other room than that, but had immediately gone
home ant,' her examination ; and yet afterwards, she would
not swear that she had not remained two, nay even five hours
up stairs before she ultimately retired. And at to the double
entendres in her letters, could any matt see, if she corresponded
by signs with her sister, haw they were to be unravelled?—
There s'VaS nut the least shadow oh a Shade to explain how that
correspondence could be conducted by cyphers. Notwith-
standing all her ingenuity, and she had ingenuity enough,
would it he hdieVid that she did not know what was meant by
the Capital of Europe, and that she understood her ohscure
village of catarataa, to which, for the honour and welfare of
Engrain!, be wished that Providence had for ever confined
her? But it was unnecessary to urge this topic further,
it was only heating grown that which was already felu.de-se.
The Learned Gentleman then read Duinont's letters, which
so highly praised her Niajesty for all the cardinal virtues. Did
this honest waiting-maid write this under a cypher, or did she
nut? Was it iutended as it fraud:lle-at cover to another and us
malignant meaning ? Was it improbable that she should en-
tertain the sentiments which she so warmly expressed? He had
heard it reported of a Gentleman of no mean capacity, of a
most classical taste, and well known for his intimate acquaint-
ance with ancient authors, that he had represented her Ma•
jesty as " the grace, life, and ornament of all societies in which
she moved." Wits that spoken in joke also? Was it really meant

ar was it uttered too with a mental reservation ? He believed
1 that it was sincerely felt and sincerely spoken, and that , after
sash an authority had spoken in favour of her Majesty, all
that WAS weld in the inferior composition of her chamber-
maid could not be considered as either extravagant or in-
credible. It was ooly of ;ate that she had malignantly and
wilfully sinned against her better nature, which iiiclined her
to feel and to express gratitude towards her mistress. And he
would believe what she had written, and not what she had
asserted, when, after a night of reflection, she had learnt by
lies and misrepresentations to get the better of her own truth.
Unwilling to waste the time of the Lords by directing their
attention to parts of the evidence which were really of little
11111portante, he should beg leave to refer to an important de-
clar aloft made in the course of the proceeding by his Learned
Friends, the Attorney and Solicitor General. lie referred to
the first declaration with pleasure, because lie was enabled to
bear his banible testimony, if his Learned Fs iends thought it
worth their acceptance, to the liberality it disclosed. 'Flie At-
toreey General, after spealsieg of the pains with which the
Counsel fur the Bill had arranged the case against her Nlajesty,
stated, that they had undertaken to bring forward the evi-
dence with a just anti adequate sense of what was due to the
proceeding arid the dignity of that Haus, 'Elie Solicitor-
General said, all the materials, and many parts of the evi-
dence which, in their opinion, did nut bear on the case, had
been passed over; lint every part of the evidence which they
thought material to the question they had offered. They con-
sidered it their duty fairly and Gandidiy to present such evi-
dence only. They did not consider themselves bound to do
more than present the case fairly and honestly. Although
this panegyric, made on tburnselves, might have sonic effect
on the House, his Learned Friends had departed from
the spirit of liberality which appeared to actuate than
at the commencement of the proceedings. They had lint
offered that evidence which the accusation against a (Intel!
required. When he heard the statement of the Attorney-
Chin:rat, lie was led to believe the conrse lie intended to
go was praiseworthy. He was led to believe the 1,14 e
would not be managed like the case of an adverse party in
the Courts below, where the lowest of the profession inMo-
tainesi a struggle under fisie.sse for the petty consideration of
costs. fie expected it was to be a case in which they were to
have the whole truth, arid nothing but the truth. Notwith-
standing the intention expressed to call witnesses to prove
the case at once, his Learned Friends had omitted to call a
single witness, with the exception of the Naval °dims,
who were entitled to credit. His Learned ',Fiend, to his
great surprise, had thrown out no less than four challenges,
calling upon the Counsel for the Queen to bring forward
four witnesses. 'fumy were told to call Louis Bergami,
Bartolorno 13ergami, and two others. The Solicitor-General
at the sante time told them if they did call those persons, the
Counsel fur the Bill would get the verdict. What, he might
ask, had become of the wisdom of his Learned Friends which
Ire had been proving? was this the way the people ut England
and their Lordships were to be treated? Where was Du-
mont's sister? Where was Dr. Rutland and the many re-
spectable persons about the Queen, at the time the charges
were said to be in existence ? Why were they nut called ?
Marty of them were in England and competent witnesses.
They ought to have been called, and they were nut called.
The wisdom of his Learned Friends was wanting. It
was not found in practice. It stood only in words. They
acted as CounSel might be expected to act in a case at Nisi
Prius, where the parties were contending for costs. However
the evidence might bear, it was unfair, in a case of this im-
portance, to turn 1.01311 d on her Majesty, and say I defy you
to call this person and the other. In civil cases, if one party
did not call witnesses, the other was at liberty to call them;
but in civil or criminal cases, the party coining forward its the
accuser should make out their own case. In a civil case, the
neglect to do so was in favour of the opposite party. The
costs would be governed, perhaps, by the contest in such a
case; but here the question was not about costs, but whether
they should take from his Illustrious Client her reputation
and rights. In a (;riniirial Court, a mancstivre of this descrip-
tion would not be meritorious ; lint in the present case, it
must be want of gentlemanly feeling. In such a case as the
present, when The scales were to be held even, it was tot/
much to be asked, why don't you call this person or the other,
who were written as it were on the link of the indict-
ment. Counsel fur the prosecution might, therefore,
have called them. Why were they kept back ?
because they would f destroy the case of accusation.—
If •I Was Prosecuting a roan, said Mr. ‘Villiains, 'for mur-
der, and I 11,1t1 a witness in my brief who would fa-
vour the prisoner, and I refused to call him, I should consi-
der myself, in case the man was executed, guilty of murder.
He might ask whether there was, from the beginning of the
world to the present time, one act more criminal than that
which stripped a Queen of her honour and rights. Why were
they in this criminal proceeding to depart from the course laid
down in the appropriate address of his Learned Friend ? Pro-
per.evidence,should be called in support of the accusation.—
That was the humane principle of the Law of England. He
should contend that the witnesses his Learned Friends had
refused to call, could not be called fur the Queen. They
were nut to try this question upon ptinciples applicable to
suits fur the recovery of small debts. It was a cause in
which kingdoms and empires might be at stake. [Here
Williams apologized for heat in the argument.] It any thing
indecorous escaped him, he begged the Lords to impute it not
only to his zeal for his Royal Client, but the interest of the
nation, which called upon the House to pause before they
gave a verdict against the Queen upon the evidence offered at
their bar. The Solicitor-General had said he would defy Its
Learned Friend to call Louis Berg:nisi, or liartolosno Ber-
ganti. If he did, the Counsel fur the Bill would get a ver-
dict. He protested against that conclusion. It was said the
Queen and 13erganii breakfasted together, and the Attorney-
General observed, if the fact was disputed, they might call
Louis Bergami. He should say, in answer to that ob-
servation, that there was DU proof that Louis Bergallli sits
Witll the parties at the time alluded to. The circumstance
was nut of the slighest importance ; but it was a specimen of
the legerdemain, the slight of hand dexterity front whence
it came. They were asked, Why don't you call Bartulo-
wo If you du, we shall get a verdict. Nose
what was the common sense of this challenge ? They knew
that he could riot be called, because his testimony would
have little weight from the situation *to which he was sup-
posed to be placed. This was a quibble only fit fur the
lowest professors of the law, in the lowest Courts. It was
not fit to be urged before their Lordships. The challenge
then, had no meaning, and those who were caught by it
must prove a putty understanding. He stood forward to say,
in a case of impoitance like this, that the management of
the prosecution was unworthy the wisdom of the Legisla-
ture, and the political character of the House of Lords.—
It ought never to be forgotten they were not only en-
trusted with the law, but they were legislating on ree
interests of this great empire. The analogy which had been
so olten introduced between the ordinary tribunals and
the proceeding in that Ho upon the-Bill of Pains and Pe-
nalties, was nut established. There was no analogy be-
tween the ordinary tribunals and the House of Lords. In
prosecutions for uttering forged notes Mitt other crimes, they
had only to prove the fact, and there was an end of it. The
conclusion was governed by the statute lave of the land, but
where did they hod the same control in that House ? If their
Lordships were riot governed by statutes in the proceeding be-
fore than, could it be said there was any analogy between
their proceedings and the ordinary Courts ? The Lords, in
their legislative character, were above the law. Whether the
Bill would pass or not was uncertain, but lie should contend
there was no analogy between this proceeding arid the lit,/ of
the land. A legislative measure, arid a legislative inquiry,
were both before then) at the sante time. The House !Orat-
ing an high tribunal was not confined by losing and usages
founded upon the ordinary principles of law witich govern-
ed the stilijects of the country. They ought to hear no
more of analogy, which iu every particular stated Wits
against the Queen ; and it had nu bearing unless it
brought the whole of the question to the enlightened wisdom
f their Lordships. The Learned Counsel then contended,
that the nun-production of evidence, which ought to have
been called in support of the case against the Queen, was
to be considered Weakness on the part of the accusers. It a
case of such high interest, their Lordships would certainly
give tier the benefit of that di ficiency. She was not only
entitled to law butt equity. Witnesses far the Queen would
now be called in the sitme 1113111Iti, as if the challenge had not
been made, arid with respect to those witnesses, he begged
distinctly to be understood, that wits...! they appeared, I hiny
would out hi/drilled as the witnesses had been who were called
in support of the accusation. The witnesses on the other stile
had ecru three years in Witch he considered the
examination the witnesses underwent before the commission
at Milan, and other exarninatious abroad and at hair, hit
Learned Friends might he supposed to iillOW the statement
ot each to the very letter. They must have known to a tittle
what enemy witness would say. it "'tit(' ""t lie supposed that
the minute advantage tad been acquired by
the
counsel. Queen's

—The Eat]. Of LAUDERDALE rose, and observed,
that as the Counsel was proceeding on a new
topic, and as the time for rising drew near, it
might be advisable to adjourn before he proceed-
ed further.

The House then adjourued till to-morrow (this
day.)

LONDON JOURNALS.

(DAILY EXTRAICTS.]

FROM THE MORNING PAPERS.

[Morning Chronicle.]

The speech of Mr. BROUGHAM cannot fail to
produce a strong impression on the millds of
,the
people of this country. As a display of ell-
quence it will bear a comparison with the most
celebrated efforts of any age. We know 'n'ot
whether most to admire the powers or the judg-
ment and taste of the speaker. It would be dif-
ficult to name an instance, in the history 9f mo-
dern eloquence at least, in which high excellence
was so totally free from the alloy of imperfec-
tions. In some of 'the most celebrated displays
of late times, it is impossible tpt to perteive that
the speaker was as often thinking how he should
himself appear to the highest advantage, as how
he should best promote the interest of hiS
The most admired flights of Curran, for instance,
may frequently be said to be flights from the case
of his client, calculated rather for the gratifica-
tion of an unconcerned audience, than for pi-
ducing a suitable impression on those whom 'be
was more immediately addressing. Even in the
celebrated speech of Sheridan, in the case of
Warren Hastings, at least in all the versions
of it which have yet been published, there
is often a good deal of turgidity and mis-
placed appeals to the feelings—a good deal
of straining after glaring imagery. From these
dulcia villa Mr. Brougham is perfectly free.—
It may be truly said of him, that he never utters
a sentence which is not dichaed by the interest
of the party for whom he is contending. Mr.
Brougham, in commenting on the evidence, point-,
ed outs first, how miserably it had fallen short
of the statements of the Attorney-General ; a
circumstance which of itself proved, that the wit-
nesses must have, on their former examination
on oath, told a different story, and consequently
was conclusive against their credibility ; and,
secondl v, that all the principal witnesses had
contradicted themselves in several material parts,
stated various palpable falsehoods, and pretended
to forget circumstances which they could IlDt fail
to have remembered. lie contended that it •was
only necessary for him to convict a witness of
falsehood in part of his statement, to destroy the
credit of the rest of it ; for the statements of the
most mendacious witnesses are always interwoven
with a certain portion of truth. It will hardly
he contended that it is necessary to prove that
every statement of a witness is false ; and the
question in Bach a case, therefore, reduces itself
to what portion of falsehood shall be taken as
decisive against his credibility-. Of course the
motives and inducements to give false evidence
will always be taken into account, in every fair
decision on the value of the testimony.

[New limel.]

The great anxiety which was felt for the chive-
lopment of Mr. BROUIAM'S PLAN of DEFENCE
for her MAJESTY has hitherto been mach disap-
pointed. He certainly avows in the strongest
terms his conviction of her Majesty's entire in-
nocence and purity; nay, he asserts (what is cer-
tainly not the fact) that every body agrees iu
that opinion. Ou the contrary, even the Cotri-
mon Council of London, a body sufficiently dis-
posed to do her Majesty ail justice, did agree,
that at present there is a prima jiacie case of guilt
made out against her, subject (of coarse) to be
repelled by stronger evidence in her defence.
The Learned Gentleman's declarations even of
his own persuasion were in no small degree weak-
ened by his remark on the duty of an Advocate.
We have no doubt he will discharge his duty
fully, and perhaps will even go further than
some Gentlemen in his situation might think ne-
cessary. Be this as it may, he professes to idea,
tify himself so entirely with his Royal Client,
that his declarations of her innocence amount to
not a jot more than her oirp plea of Not Guilty
would, if such a plea were receivable. Still less
weight can we attach to a topic which occupied
great part of the introduction to the Learned
Gentleman's speech, and to w Mai he reverted,
again at its close : we mean the apprehensions
which he laboured to impress on their Lordships'
minds that to decide this great and solemn
question one way rather than the other would be
agreeable to the populace. This argument, when
closely sifted, would amount, to what we are sure
the Learned Gentleman could not intend—an in-
timidation of the Noble Tribunal. We will nut
say that the People have nothing to do with the
laws but to obey them, but we will say the duty
of the People will be to obey this law if it
should pass, and that the contrary doctrine (which
has been held out in some of her Majesty's Ala-
swers) is directly treasonable. Our fear, we own,
is, that arguments of so very dubious a complec-
tien may unconsciously crate a bias itt the minds,
of the Noble Lords against the Queen ; for it is
rather difficult to conceive that a perfect and se,
cure reliance on the innocence of an accused party,
and on the integrity of the Judges, can permit
the mind to wander for a moment to any thing
like a threat of external force. Mr, Brougham
very properly made such observations as oc-
curred to him on several particulars in the evi-
dence in support of the Bill. We cannot say that
Nve go along with him in those remarks, but still
it was his duty to make them. Vakunt quantum
valere possint. Still there was a vast mass of
evidence which he left untouched; ifor could we
gather that he distinctly announced any inten,
tion of controverting a great part or it. He was
Very severe on the nose and mouth of One of the
witnesses, from which, by some rules of physiog-
nomy, he deduced a consequence which appeared
to its to have extremely little to. do with .the
merits of the case, and the less so) as he says
the
certainly can contradict that. one witness. rig
promises also to produce Mademoiselle Dernont's
bister, but he seems by no means conlident that
tier evidence will very much strengthen his case.
The evidence for her Majesty will now be
brought forward) and as we have not by antici-

pfaion proclaimed all her witnesse% to be filthy,
lying, perjured wretches, so we shall feel it
duty to abstain, pending their examination,
►rem any such expressions, however sanctioned
the example of a soi-dilant " respectable" and
" Leading" Journal.

[The Times.]

There are various opinions in circulation with
r,q-wct to the CoCRiE to be pursued in PARLIA-
iiLNT with this unlucky BILL of PAINS and PE-
`:.ILTIE3. It is now, we believe, beyond all
..tenbt, slain, destroyed, demolished. But how
:%1 the dead carcase to be got rid of ? For, as to
i,mvicting the Queen upon such evidence, it is
;)ot such as would supply a Bench of Justices
4.ith a pretext for levying a fine upon a poacher.
-"Jh, that ever we should have lived to see all the
charges, accusations, insinuations, slanders, hear-
:tays, assurances, against the Queen of England,
reduced to such a state as this!--that a few filthy sto-
;ies are sworn to by a few foreign liars of low station
and infamous character; no one, at this moment,
any more believing the application of those stories
:o the Queen than they do that she was the mo-
tSer of young Austin. Nay, we will aver, with-
the hazard of contradiction from any inde-
pendent-minded man, that the perjuries of the
Douglas's rendered it much more credible that
A:v.4in was the son of the Queen, than the oaths
)1 such vermin as Majocci, De Mont, and Sacchi,
--ve made it credible that her MajeAty was guilty
..74i the foul indecencies attributed to her. And
yet, you know, no evidence upon earth could
!?take that child which was the son of one woman
become the son of another : but, monstrous as
this proposition is, it is less monstrous, and much
'3,tter supported in evidence, than the allegations
the present conspiracy ; for, on that occasion,
pregnancy, the parturition, and labour of the
=.l,ieen, were deposed to by witnesses of unim-
-..:,eached character—that is, unimpeached and un-
ilipeachable, except in that iniquitous business
-vhich was the immediate subject of inquiry :
nt gestation, parturition, and labour, are natu-
;-,AI acts, and therefore may be believed on satis-
factory evidence. But, in the present instance,
we have filthy unnatural acts sworn to by wit-
nesses wholly unworthy of credit, even by their
J%vn showing.

[British Press.]

Mr. Baouoli.jm, it will be observed, has con-

fined himself exclusively to comtnenting upon the
=Harmer in which the present prosecution has
!wen prepared, upon the character of the wit-

:)esses, the nature of their testimony, the inter-

:.al traces of perjury it exhibited, its contrarie-
ties, and the utter impossibility of the charges
-rrged against the Queen having been founded
';t truth. The solemn stillness that reigned
.the House of Lords during the long pe-

-Thd of Mr. Brougham's address, the anxious
tention with which it was received, indi-
,r,tted ,the powerful impression it made upon the
minds of the Noble and Learned Judges. On
tho literary excellence of the speech we shall
offer no remark, for this was no occasion for an
ctle display of rhetorical skill, in which the in-

trests of the party and of justice were to be
esteemed as secondary to tk ambition or vanity
the speaker. Mr. Brougham treated the sub-
jN'A with equal prudence and ability ; arid while

is speech gave evidence, ii . every sentence, of a

ri.ind richly stored with classic treasures, modern
.-..-td ancient, he placed the assurance of his
Olustrious Client's innocence upon a basis .so

:Strictly intellectual, that it would argue a defi-
f.:oncy in the reasoning powers of the individual
-.:1-to could question the:correctness of his con-
rjasion. The contrarieties which he has sliewn
n the several statements of the most important
~itnesses, upon points too of primary moment,
of themselves sufficient to brand them with
perjury in these particular instances ; and it is a

_ -
rule adopted iu our Courts, drawn from the com-

thon sense of mankind, that if the falsehood of a
veitness be made apparent in any one instance,
no reliance can be reposed on his depositions in
any other.

[Morning Post.]
if length were strength, the ORATION of Mr.
11-:e.aucu.tm would not fail to carry her MAJESTY
twist triumphantly through ; and, if outrageous
violence on the part of a Servant, can prove in-
nocence on the part of a Mistress, why then, we
must admit that the Queen is vindicated by
the termination of the Learned Gentleman's
harangue. We here find to what extremes
liberty of speech may be carried, when an ad-
vocate has the unparalleled audacity to threaten
leis Judges with annihilation, if in the free
arid unbiassed exercise of their judgment, they
decide against him, and menace the country
.vith all the horrors of civil war if his Client
bf.. not acknowledged as its. Queen ! ! ! Such
daring and outrageous menaces will not carry
conviction to the minds even of the most weak
avid uninformed classes of the community, and
,-ven the congratulatory mob of the Freemasons'
Tavern will be disappointed. The defence, we
were told, would burst on us like thunder, and
in the course of the first two days, the Lord
Chancellor and the Earl of Liverpool were
to come forward and be " very happy to own
that they had been imposed upon." We have not
vet heard that either have so come forward, and
we therefore conclude that the Ladies who were
attracted from their stalls to the Tavern last
week, will begin to feel that their directing sages
•,:re not quite infallible. That the evidence to
Le produced may refute the charges, is that
shicli we have all along been desirous to find,
tut the expectation we have cherished, has not
been strengthened, or even sustained by the speech
ii,hieh has concluded, or by that which is in pro-
; fleas. Blustering statements from those who feel
t.-.at their clients are not to be defended, we
~.,,-rietimes hear in the ordinary Courts of
.31stice, but these do not always determine the
.T cry to vote against common sense and common
Something more than a bold oration
wanted, and something more in the present case
.5 promised. Let the proini:ie be fulfilled. We

We received this morning the Paris Papers of
Monday last.—The following are extracts :

" fetus, OCT. 2.—The King beard mast yesterday in the
Chapel of the Thuilleries with Monsieur, the Duke and
Duchess d'Angouleme. Te DCIII7I was chaunted. his Ma-
jesty received the felicitations of the High Courts of Justice
and of all the Tribunals. The King also received the Insti-
tute of France, the 12 Mayors of Paris, the Sub-Prefects,
&c. &c. &c. A great number of persons were admitted to see
the young Prince in the apartments of the Pavillon Marsan.
FIFTH BULLETIN of the 111:ALTII of the Duchess de

SECOND EDITION.

SUN-OFFICE, Half-past Four.
After Mr. WumAms had finished, Witnesses

were called for the purpose of proving facts, re-

specting impediments alleged to have been thrown

in the way of Witnesses on behalf of the QUEEN,

coming to this country.

Three Witnesses were then examined on be-
half of THE QUEEN, namely : The Earl of
GUILDFORD, Lord GLENBERVIE, and Lady
CHARLOTTE LINDSAY. The two Noble Lords

stated, that they had never witnessed any im-

propriety in the conduct of TIIE QUEER ; and
Lady CHARLOTTE LINDSAY negatived some parts

of the evidence for the Bill respecting BERGAMI
walking with THE QUEEN, and also relative to

no persons of rank or distinction visiting THE
QUEEN. Her Ladyship enumerated several
Peers and Peeresses, and other persons of dis-

tinction, who had paid their respects to HER

MAJ ESTY.

Some dispute arising on a question put to Lady

CHARLOTTE, on her cross-examination by the
ATTORNEY-GENERAL, and it being just open
four o'clock, the House adjourned till to-morrow

morning.