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THE SUN, LONDON, NV.DNESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 10, 1842.

THE IRISII MARRIAGES BILL.

This Bill wont through Committee, was reported,
read a third time, and:Passed.
BANKRUPTCY LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR,
the amendments of the Commons were agreed to, and
the Bill was passed.
The Coventry Boundaries Bill was' read a second
time, committed, and ordered to be read a third time
to-morrow.
The Canada Loan Bill was read a third time, and
passed.
The Lunatic Asylums (Ireland) Bill was read a
third time, and passed.
NEWFOUNDLAND BILL.

If, in the present case, the Hon. Member for Finsbury
had stated that 'he had a remonstrance to present,

without entering into details, it would have been
brought to the table; and, until it had been read by
the clerk, it would have been impossible to have as-

certained whether it concluded with a prayer or,.not.

In a great many instances, the presentation of re-
monstrances without prayers had been attempted, and
the House had invariably refused to receive them.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE had felt it his duty to make
the statement he had made before making the re-
monstrance. He understood there was a positive
Standing Order on the subject. At the com-
mencement of the session, he had taken his stand
against usage in the presentation of petitions, because
that usage was backed by no Standing Grder ; but
understanding there was a positive Standing Order
against the reception of any remonstrance, or expres-
sion of opinion, that did not contain a prayer, would
withdraw his motion,—(Cheers.)
Lord ASHLEY stated that a similar rule had been
adopted in a case in which he had attempted to pre-
' sent to the House a vote of thanks from a body of
persons, h;e reception of which had been re-
fused because it did not conclude with a prayer.

Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from the
solicitor and Agent in the Newfoundland House ofAs-
sembly, against what the petitioner termed the disfran-
chisement of the colony of Newfoundland. The Noble
and Learned Lord supported the prayer of the peti-
tion, and said, that although there were some pro-
visions of the Bill of which he approved, yet he
utterly objected to swamping the representation of
the people by the nominees of the Crown.
He moved that Counsel" he heard at the bar against
the Bill. He would be no party to the introduction
of Counsel merely to impede the progress of the Bill,
but he understood that the Counsel were in attendance.
After a short conversation it was agreed that the
Counsel should be heard before the Committee of the
whole H6use.

On the motion of the Earl of RIPON, the House
accordingly resolved itself into Committee, and
Mr. Burge was called in. He said that he had
been so recently instructed on the case which it was
his duty to lay before them, that he must entreat their
Lordships to grant him until to-morrow.
The Earl of RIPON said, could not the Bill go
through Committee, and the Learned Gentleman be
heard on the next stage ?
Lord BROUGHAM—WouId you not rather be
he heard now, Alz Burge?
The LORD CHANCELLOR—To be sure : it is
nly a figure of rhetoric.—(Laughter.)
Lord BROUGHAM—Yes. yes.—(Laughter.)

I‘lr. BURGS preferred to have- time.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said the Committee
had better go on, and from what be knew of the
Learned Gentleman at the bar, he would be able, be-
tween this and five o'clock to-morrow, so to condense
what he had to say, as greatly to save their Lord-
ships' time, so that their Lordships would gain by the
delay.—(Laughter.)
The Bill then went through Committee, -and was
ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.

The remaining Orders were then disposed of.
(LEFT SITTING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
(Contiuued from our Afternoon Edition.)
The House resumed at Five o'Clock.
COMPLAINTS OF THE PEOPLE.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented fourteen docu-
ments from different bodies, in Nottingham and
other parts of the country, complaining that the
House had refused to take into its consideration
the grievances of the people, and declaring that
as such a course had been taken, the parties sub-
scribing those documents would endeavour, by all
just and legal means, to adopt a remedy for the evils
of which they complained. The Hon. Gentleman,
after stating that those documents were couched in
the form of remonstrances, or protests, against the
course which the House had followed, and contained
no prayer, moved that they should be read at length
by the lerk at the table.
Sir G. CLERK said, that as these remonstrances
contained no prayer, they could not, he apprehended,
be received, consistently with the usual practice of
the House.
The SPEAKER said that if remonstrances cad-
tathed a prayer, it was usual to receive them ; but
whenever they did not contain a prayer, it was not
the practice to entertain them. The House, however,
could determine whether or not it could receive the
remonstrances now presented.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE hoped that the House would
not reject those remonstrances without knowing what
they contained. He should observe that they were
couched in respectful, though firm language.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought that those re-
:monstrances could not be received, inasmuch as they
gontained no prayer, according to the statement of
the Hon. Gentleman, as he understood it.

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said that this remon-
strance might contain a prayer in substance although
not in form:, and he thought that the House would be
placing itself in an awkward position by rejecting
them.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no
diviSion took place, as the Usher of the Black Rod ap-
peared at. the bar
,during our absence from the gal-
lery, awl summoned the House to the House of
Peers to hear her Majesty's Royal Commission read
for giving the Royal Assent to several Bills.
,i_E.Ork.. the SPEAKER'S return, he stated that House had been to the House of Peers, to he a
I Royal assent given to certain public and private
fOr,.which, see our Lords' Report;
Mr. R. YORKE said if Hon. Members would
'rush blindly to a division without being properly
'acquainted with the subject, he should vote with his
Hon. Friend the Member for Finsbury ; at the same
time he highly deprecated such a course.
Sir R. PEEL commenced by stating that not
having been present at the early part of this discus-
sion, he was not quite certain as to the subject.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, that as the Right Hon.
Baronet had not been present at the early part of the
discussion he should, with the permission of the
House, briefly recapitulate the facts. He (Mr. Dun-
combe)' had presented . remonstrances, signed by the
chairmen of fourteen public meetings. They were
all couched in the same terms ; and he believed those
remonstrances represented the feelings of one mil-
lion of the working classes. The object of
the petitioners, or rather the remonstrancers,
was to tell the House that this country was suffering
destitution to an extent hitherto unknown. They
stated their grievances in the most respectful lan-
guage. They expressed their deep regret, that when
a petition, signed by three millions of their country-
men, asking to be heard by counsel at the bar of that
House, that the House refused the prayer of the peti-
tion. They thought, that if they had been heard, they
could have made out a strong case ;for the considera-
tion of the House. They stated that they saw no
hope held out for the mitigation of their sufferings, as
the House of Commons was at present constituted.
They dreaded awful consequences, unless
something was done to restere . them to a
better condition ' • and they declared that they
would take such powerful steps to effect that
condition as the well being of society, and the security
of the subject imperatively demanded. They even
prayed that their councils might be guided by wisdom,
and that the House would at once receive their re-
monstrances. He (Mr. Duncombe) only asked to
be allowed to put the House in possession of the
subject matter of those documents, and it would
then be for the House to decide whether or no
they should receive them. Mr. Speaker had said that
if there was no prayer they could not be received.
He (Mr. Duncombe) maintained that they had a
right to a division, and all they divided about would
be whether the House should be put in possession of
the subject-matter of these remonstrances.
Sir R. PEEL said he was much obliged to the
Hon. Member for having again explained, for the
benefit of Honourable Members who were not
present at the commencement of the discussion,
the precise nature of the subject. He for one, during
a long course in Parliament, never made captious ob-
jections to the terms of the petition. He thought it
better, so long as the petition contained nothing very
objectionable, not to treat with a critical exami-
nation the words of a petition ; at the same
time he did feel it 'to be of great impor-
tance that the House should adhere to the
established form with respect to addresses to that
House • and at any rate that forth should not be
departed from without mature consideration.—(Hear,
hear.) The Hon. Gentleman said that these
were not petitions, but remonstrances. If the rules
of that House were that the mode of addressing that
House was by petition, he thought that that
form ought to be adhered to.—(Hear, hear.)
He apprehended that the orders of the House implyed
that snail should be the course of proceeding. The
Standing' Orders required that the men' should state
the prayer .of the petition. Therefore, both usage and
the Standing Orders implied that the mode ofapproach-
ing the House, either for the declaration of opinion
or for the presentation ofremonstrance was by petition..
It was not his wish inthe slightestAegree, to entrench
upon the rights of those who wished to approach that
house, but if general usage and the standing orders
of that House pointed out petitions as the only mode
in -which the House could be approached, he trusted
that the House would not in the present instance
depart from its usual forms.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that declarations with-
out prayers, similar to the one which he wished to
present, had been brought to the table formerly, and
that the House had divided on the propriety of re-
ceiving them.
Sir R. PEEL said that such cases must be ex-
ceedingly rare. lie would not be able to find in the
journals €f that House a precedent for the House re-
ceiving any remonstrance except, on the form of the
.petition. 'lt was, however, a question to be decided
by the authority of the Speaker, and he trusted the
Speaker would state what was the usage on the
subject.
The SPEAKER said, that the usage of the House
certainly had been not to receive any remonstrance,
except it concluded with a prayer. There. was a
Standing Order requiring :that the prayer of every
petition should be stated by the Member presenting
it. j In the case referred to by thel-lon. Member for
Finsbury, he could not help thinking, that what he
stated had occurred, must have occurred accidentally.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ea
performed.ln the case of Sir Sidney Smith, although
the force employed was. inconsiderable, yet he (Sir R.
Peel) doubted whether or no more important events in
history could ever result.—(Cheers.) With a force at
his command, he believed of the draft of two ships of
the line, and with those ships defending the toe n of
Acreeoccupyieg, that town at a time when he had not a
single gun mounted. Sir Sidney Smith conducted that
siege in a manner which enabled him to laugh at all the
efforts of the greatest commander of that time, command-
ing an army of 17,000. men. The best course he thought
to take was, to refer to the opinions of contemporary
men with the gallant and distinguished officer. In
the year 1799 Lord Spencer moved the thanks of the
House of Lords to Sir Sydney Smith, then a captain in
his Majesty's service. The language he used on that oc-
casion was—" He did not think that there was any oc-
casion to impress on their Lordships-a higher sense than
they already ernertained of the brilliancy, utility, and
distinction of an achievement in which a general of great
celebrity, after an attack on Acre, which lasted sixty
days, was repulsed by the gallantry and heroism of a
British officer with few troops under his commaad." In
the House of Commons Lord Melville, then Mr. Dundas,
and Secretary of State, used the following language,
which was not couched according to the usual forms, but
evidently proceeded from the heart. He said that " Sir
Sydney Smith had surprised the whole nation by
the brilliancy of the action, in which, - after a
contest Which lasted sixty days, an intrepid com-
man.der, at the head of a large army, was repulsed.
His conduct was so surprising that he hardly knew how
to act, as he had scarcely recovered from the effects which
the action had upon him." Shortly afterwards his Ma-
jesty sent a messenger to the House of Commons re-
commending Sir S. Smith to a pension of 1,0001., he
being then only a captain in the naval service, and a
commander of only two line of battle ships. His Ma-
. jest)a stated, "That he . was desirous of conferring a 1
signal mark of his favour upon
,Sir S. Smith, a captain
in the naval service, in consequence of the eminent
services and brilliant conduct he displayed. during the
whole period in which he was intrusted with
the defence of Acre. He therefore recommended that -a
'pension of 1,000/. should be bestowed upon him for the
term of his natural life." Forty years had passed since
that time. He (Sir R. Peel) did not regret the interval,
because it would be an encouragement to others; because,
however protracted for a time, it would prove to others
that-the gratitude- of their country would not remain
dormant, and would show them that the time would ar-
rive when their services would be rewarded.—(Cheers.)
He would proceed from the claims of Sir Sidney Smith
to the services which, in point of time, had been next
performed—the services of Lord De Saumarez. Those
services were perhaps less familiar to the public mind
than those performed by Lord Exmouth or Sir Sidney
Smith, but still they were services which ought to be
held in the highest estimation, and that they had
not been sufficiently rewarded, constituted a -suffi-
cient reason why. they should now pay that
respect which his services demanded—(Hear, hear,) The
House wouid recollect, those at least who were acquainted
with the naval annals of the country, that, he believed it
was iu July, 1801—(Hear.)—Lord De Saumarez at-
tempted to cut out three sail of the line, belong-
ing to enemies, under the batteries of • Algesiras
with a superior force. In the attempt he failed,
and lost one sail of the line. He had six sail of
the line, with which he. attempted to cut out three
HOUSE OF COMMONS, Aug. 9. cf the enemy's ships, protected, as he had stated ; and
CASE OF MR. JOHNSTONE. . having been defeated, he returned discotnfited,
Mr. HUME wished to bring under the notice of the but not disheartened. (Hear, hear.) Within
Tight Hon. Baronet, the Secretary of State for the three days he repaired his shattered fleet, returned
Tome Department, the case of a gentleman of the to Algesiras, attacked the combined French and
Janie of Johnston, who, according to public report, Spanish fleet of ten. sail of the line, blew up two three-
after having been lately tried for an assault and deckers, captured another, and allowed the remainder
sentenced to three montes' imprisonment, had, to the to escape only with great difficulty. That was
surprise of every one acquainted with the circumstances/ was the second engagement, and in it he triumphed.—
been found at liberty a very short time afterwards. (Cheers.) Public thanks were given to Lord De San-
The Right Horiourable Gentleman must be aware than marez for that action, and the greatest naval commander
considerable anxiety existed in the public mind to which this or any other country ever produced=-he
receive an explanation from the .Government upon the meant Lord Nelson—spoke of his conduct in terms of
subject. He (Mr. Hume) hoped the Right Honourable the highest praise.—(Hear, hear.) The thanks of the
Gentleman would be ready to give that explana- House- of Lords were proposed by Lord St. Vin-
tion, as it was very important that it should not be sent, he was followed by. lord Nelson—who bore
thought that justice was not equally administered to the his conclusive testimony of the merits •of Lord De
rich and to the poor. . Saumarez. Speaking of these two battles, he said, in
. ..
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he was much obliged to seconding the motion that a greater action than that of
the Hon. Member for Montrose: both for the courtesy of Sir James Saumarez never had been performed. The
his having given notice of his intention to put the ques- Admiral had undertaken an enterprise which none but
don, and also for his having asked it ; because he did 1 the meet Gallant Officer and the bravest seaman could
think that the question •was one very worthy of being. have accepted. •He had failed by the falling off of the
answered, and the explanation he was about to give was, wind, but had the wind not fallen he would have eap-
he felt, due to the impartial adMinistration of justice. ; tared the French; Being thus obliged to.retreat, he re-
The case had first been brought under his notice by the I turned after his recentalisastereand attacked and con-
Under- Secretary of State, Mr. Phillips, after a teeming- I quered their superior forces. Ile didnot think this ac-
nication had been made to. him byMe. Sergeant .Adams, i tin had ever been surpassed. - Theee were Lord Nelson's
the Judge wild had tried the case. Upon first seeing ; observetimisiuperi that occasion. Lord de Saumarez, in
the report of the case, considering the condition in-life 1 his aneWer4ecletitiwledged, with the:utmost gratitude, the
of the prisoner, his. education, his superior etatieu, and 1 vote of thanks which; .had been conveyed to him by the
all the circumstances attending his position, he had felei Chancellor : but he said on four former occasions he had
very great hesitation indeed T. ith respect to thel proviety -I been bonotiretkwithetise?thaake of . their Lordships when
of entertaining any proposal' -to mitigate the severity, of e; commend* line- of-battle ships in four different general
his sentence, and lie therefore referred back the case to !'avetinasnclia RodaWeettetiota -in St. :Vincent's action, in
Mr. Sergeant Adams for his opinion. He thought the ; Bridport's aetititreindilielson's action of the Nile.—(Hear,
best course he could take was to read to the House th -le r) Oki lfito tiffreAnt •cecasions, then, he had re-
statement of 'Mr.' Sereant Adams, • Which induced. him' "-,y b e IthanlcrqirVitrliarnent, for gallant conduct in
to commute the sentence. He should state that 111144 ;, eg aleff&irt! • flit/ viewed the whole naval ca-
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gation was, that this gentleman had made an aesaala szeemq et ai ellia ' 14Ait.bef'swould fled. it animated
in his chambers upon a female, with criminal intent T tfie sari* gml ti,,+:44"Vite,' and the same devotion
That was the , indictment. upon which he was triode- Joakieneountime. rTeeligattpereedothere to their gallant
and the Verdict of the jury found him. guilty of the conduct ad St. Jettentieeee; He t ear, hear.) In speaking
assault.. Some circumstances came. to the knowledge oftsifiLond ..altoiltia vitact(4.lE-SciVß.et)_vroUld refer to the
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Mr. Sergeant A.danis shortly-after the trial,- which ledt raestimouty porno by a naval officer who stood highly dis-
him to doubt the propriety of the sentence which' he hada keinentialia,itnfsbeseettataketaniiaadjthiaeemmtry, the pre,
passed, and also to doubt whether the circumstances had'' sent Lerdlatildtsorikatetaierckeerd- Ceeltrane. •He referred
been fully disclosed and tiretight before the Court. This !. to thBeteaaatiolVitortiOlibriast4Csichrene when speak-
wits the letter addressed to him by Mr. Sergeant Adams, , ingnit_o4 4eige of Algiers That Gallant Admiral said
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and upon which he had -thoeght it consistent with -his 1 thaf4o" one was better acquainted: thia himself with the
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duty to remit the 'sentence after the party had been con-. pin* possesgsMilleatataimeanci lee:wouln say that the
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fined seven days, on the payreentOf 301-.:The following' conduct Of Lord iteinanahaanslet;lsnetkae.t. was deserving of
is a copy of the letter, as nearly as we could catch it, the ; every prnieeee it hettati V
onet atisireFf949.4. in. the way in
Right Hon. Baronet being nearly inaudible in -the gal- 1 whichßritishflegta aione)innewehewasi; serve -; he never
lery :e--" Sir—ln reference. to your communication with .1 knew anything .s.e.itiele Child adtpeekanhe manner in which
respect_ to Mr. Johnstone, I beg to infirm you that I be laid .his WO along the Algerine shore- When Lord
have conferred with thePoliteMaegistrate, and examined -Exmouth fotight-thehattla eitAlgiers, he had been forty
the person referred to -in Mr. Johnstone's letter at the years in the naval service. He began-service in 1776.
close of the examination ; by which 'it appears that At the commencement of the American war he coin-
she does not confirm -in some important particulars the mended the Spartan, and he began his career in a way
statement made. lt does not appear that the prosecu- prophetic of his future renown. Shord)eafter he served on
trix at any time charged Mr. Johnstone with an attempt board a large vessel in a gallant actionin Lake.Cliamplain.
to violate her person. There can be no doubt that the lln 1816 he performed that action at Algiers, and he had
prosecutrix from the first complained that. an assault I thus devoted the long space • of forty years in
had been committed upon her, but the witness did not I the service of his country. There was upon re-
think that she meant thereby to accuse him of an attempt cord a - letter front the First Lord of the Admiralty
to take indecent liberties, because of the knowledge of 1 to Lord Exmouth, then a midshipman, stating that the
his irritable temper, and the great dislike he had ex- accounts reported to him of the signal valour - and good
pressed to the prosecutrix." It appeared distinctly that conduct lie had displayed during the action on the Ame-
he had had some quarrel with this servant- during her . rican Lakes, were of such a nature, that he might be
attendance upon him at his lodgings. "My first impress I sure the first opportunity of rewarding him should not
sion, as the facts then stood, was, that he had used the be neglected. At the time this letter was addressed to
woman extremely ill—that he had taken grossly indecent him he was not 19, and through it he gained his lieute-
liberties with her, and that he had brought for Ward nantcy. He (Sir R. Peel) wished the House
his wife unjustly to assail her character, and falsify her to survey the whole course of Lord Exmouth's conduct
testimony. Ido not hesitate to say, from my conference for those forty years ; to reflect on the gallantry he.had
with Mr; Walley, and the evidence now before me, such constantly displayed not only in action, not only in the
impression was erroneous, that there is not any reason destruction, but in the salvation of human life—(Hear,
to believe that the defendant intended to take any inde- hear)--to look at the whole character and energy of his
cent liberties with the prosecutrix. We must take the conduct.—(Hear, bear.) Her Majesty's late Govern-
case, I think, as follows :—That Me. Johnstone is an ment had been inquiring into the claims of naval officers,
irritable man, frequently harsh with servants, and hay- and they had confined their Report to these three
.parti-
ing taken a strong dislike to the prosecutrix, and finding altar officers. He (Sir R. Peel) had entered into the.,
her in his chamber later than he expected, he angrily grounds for their-selection, and he thought that the dis-
and sharply struck her on the back, and desired her to orimination exercised by the late Government was a wise
leave the room ; that she refused to do so, and he then oue ; and because his own judgment approved of their
seized her by her arm and entered into a most 'unseemly decision it was that he brought this motion. He did
altercation with her, she resisting. Had I known all e not think it necessary to call upon the House
the circumstances, I should not, undoubtedly, have im- to make any extensive grant of money for these monu-
prisoned him for three calendar Months I think I Ments. The great value of such monuments consisted
should not have imprisoned him at all, but inflicted upon not in the elaborate workmanship, not in the expense to
him a serious fins--such a fine as a gentleman of which the public might be put in erecting splendid works
large fortune should be called upon to pay under the of art, but in That they were tributes of respect and grad-
circumstances. The sentence, however,baving been passed tude for long and gallant services in the cause of their
Ido not think the justice of the case would be met by an country.—(Hear, hear.) And, however small the sum
immediate discharge, unless accompanied by some fine." which they might cost the public, the effect would still
Under all the circumstances, considering that he had be the same, to stimulate others to similar exertions.—
been imprisoned for a week, and that the punishment (Hear.) lie trusted at the same time that works of this
was itself severe for a common assault, he had thought kind might be made subservient, by proper care in the
it right to remit the remainder of the sentence on the selection of artists, to the great object of encouraging
payment of 301. the arts in this country.—(Hear.) But he contended
PUBLIC MONUMENTS.
The House then resolved itself into Committee, for the ment ; on the contrary, if it was their desire thus to ex-
. purpose of taking into consideration
.. the propriety of press their gratitude to those whose services had ren-
addressing' her Majesty ou the subject of erecting testi-
monials to the memory of Sir Sidney Smith, Lord De
Saumarez,, and Lord Exmouth, upon which
Sir . PEEL rose, and .said that he had moved that
the House should resolve itself into Committee, in that it was not necessary to erect an expensive monu-
.
dered them deserving, the
would more moderate the sum they
voted, the more reconciled the public be
Rto the distribution of rewards of this kind, and
the more extensive would be the opportunity
of making similar acknowledgement to others.—(Hear.)
order that he might, in conformity with the
He therefore trusted that the House would not hesitate
,
notice he had given some days ago, move that the House to give a cheerful, he might say .an enthusiastic, acqui-
should present an address to her Majesty, praying that escence—(Cheers)—in this motion, from the fear that
her Majesty would be pleased to give directions for the any considerable expense would be necessary.—(Cheers.)
erection of three monuments to three distinguished naval He thought he need say nothing more to recomineed thisb
officers of this country no* no more Lord Exmouth, motion to the House.—(Cheers.) The Hon.
saySmith.hailwouldt of
his
of he (Sir R. Peel ) felt in the performance amendmenTtbebuHttiolf
Member
addition—(Hear, hear)—to
for Lambeth had proposed
of that duty was, that of making the selection, and in Fuoti?n•
discriminating the many claims which, on review of the inviting the Hous'e.to' takei into consideration the claims
naval services of this country, were presented. It was to SI uular honours of those great men who had conferred
eke. .
'benefits on humanity by their discoveries and exertions
impossible to review the devotion to the public service. in the field of science.—(Cheers.) He hoped the Hon.
and the gallant exertions made for. the vindication of the
Gentleman would not press his amendment. The
honour of the country by the officers employed in the
subject was one. deserving of a separate considera-
naval service, without feeling the greatest admiration of
lion.—(Cheers,) It ought to stand alone.—(Cheers.)
those services, and the deepest feeling of gratitude to-
It would be diminishing the honour du© to thse
Member
wards those who gave them.—(Cheers.) If it. were
was men, to Whom it was intended by the Hot), to
thought that it was a reflection upon those whomo
publiclt pay honour, if the motion were to stand merely as an
nut proposed to honour by a similar
.recor
appendage to a motion intended to pay honour to these
gratitude, he should feel the utmost pain. It was, how-
naval heroes. The Hon. Gentleman had proposed to
al cases of this kind, to make
ever, always necessary,call upon the House to erect monuments to eminent
selections and discriminations from contemporaneous
merit of a permanent claim on public gratitude. Duties scientific men ;
.perhaps the Honourable Gentleman
painful, but still they ought not to might have exercised some principle. of selection. He
of this kind were h
permit such considerations to prevent them paying that had proposed the erection of monuments to three men of
debt of gratitude. When lie considered the special claims science. • He was not prepared to say that the Hon.
of the three officers whose names had been mentioned, Gentleman was not right, or that he (Sir K. Peel)
Sir Sidney Smith, Lord De Saumarez, and Lord Ex- pronounced an opinion adverse to the preposition. He
mouth, he (Sir RaPeel) thought he shculd be able to would not say that the country had not too much neg-
show to the House that they ought to grant to these offi- lected to pay those honours which were due to scientific
sera the distinction then proposed to confer upon them. and literary merit, but the subject was of sufficient import-
The effect of this public acknowledgment of gratitude it once to stand alone.—(Cheers.) It should be brought for-
was impossible not to foresee. He (Sir R. Peel) could ward•on its own intrinsic merits.—(Loud cheers.). With
not witness without feelings of satisfaction the enthto regard to the propriety of the country making similar ac-
siasm of the Gallant Commodore (Sir C. Napier), himself Isnowledgments to men of literary and scientific
a great ornament to the naval profession, when he (Sir merits , to . those _ with which they honoured
R. Peel) first mentioned this subject the Other night, men who had performed great naval and midtary
when the Members on that (the Opposition) side of the achievements, he would give them no opinion.
House intimated an abjection, or a doubt, at least, of MuCh might be said onthe subject of the indifference of
the' policy of this step. By the generous enthusiasm the State to the merits of civilians—not of those em-
displayed in behalf of these officers on a former occa- ployed in political life, but of those who devoted them-
selves to the paths of science and literature— hut those
sten, it was impossible not to feel what would be the effect
claims should be discussed on their own intrinsic merits,
upon the exertions of the officers in the navy. This was
, the cheap defence of nation ,1.. . " Quisque sui memores alios fecere merendo,"
I " The Senate's thanks, the Gdzeite's pompous tale, should stand perhaps on the same foundation with those
With force resistless o'er the brave prevail." who had performed great military achievements. That
—(Cheers.) Two of the officers whose names he had men- was a question worthy a grave and separate discussion.
tioned—he would mention ,as connected with exploits of- —(Cheers) He hoped. the Hon. Gentleman would withe
our own times. It was impossible to recal the -recollect:on draw his motion, and wouid tale :mot cif
of onportanity )f
of tli‘,, deeds at .A cr,. 1,,,, t!,! ei.1,,,7,.c.e A' •

HOUSE-OF LORDS, August 9.
COLONIAL 'CONSTITUTION (CAPE).

The Marquis of CLANRICARDE piesenteda peti-
;ion from inhabitants of the Cape of Good Hope, praying
ror a Local Legislature.

tti F 0 UNDL AND BILL.

The Earl of RIPON moved the second reading of the
Newfoundland Bill. The Noble Earl then explained
the provisions of the Bill, which have already been amply
detailed in tbr: rcport.s of the discussions on the Bill in
_ _

tho other House of Parliament.
Lord CAMPBELL thought that the Constitution of
Newfoundland ought to be reformed, but he by no means
approved of the mode iu which that reform was, by thc•
present measure sought, to be carried out.
After a few words from the Earl of RIPON, in ex-
planation,
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said he was not hos-
tile to the Bill, but could not but express his surprise
at the circumstances under which the measure was

introduced at so late a period of the session, and without
the feelings of the people of Newfoundland being
first ascertained as to the mode in which it was now pro-
posed to deal with their constitutional rights.
The Bill was then read a second time.—Committee
to-morrow.

The Earl of DEVON presented a petition from an in-
dividual named Stokes, praying that such alterations
might be made in the law respecting Loan Societies, as
‘voold place such o,tablishments in England on the same
footing as those of the Monts de Piete, which had worked
with such advantage to the labouring classes in Ireland.
Lord BROUGHAM expressed a hope that the Noble
Earl would take an early opportunity of introducing, ac-
cording to his expressed intention, a measure on the sub-
ject next session. _ _

The House then went into Committee on the Presby-
Nrian Mat-tinges (Ireland) Bill.
After some discussion between Lord BRoUGHAN and
Lord CAMPBELL,

The LORD CHANCELLOR gave notice, that next
session he would move the re-appointment of the Com-
mittee, in order to the consideration of the whole subject.
The Bill then passed through Committee, and the
House resumed.
CONFERENCE WITH THE COMMONS.
The Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Liverpool, Viscount
Hood, Lord I rali'a rden. Lord Beaumont, Lord Sondes,

Lord Saltoun, and the Bishop of Chester, were appointed
to conduct the Conference with the Commons, on the
Parish Constables Bill, and proceeded thereto.
On their Lordships' return, Lord LIVERPOOL com-
municated to the House that they had received, from Mr.
Manners Sutton, • the reasons of the house of Commons
for their amendments on the' Parish Con Stables Bill, as
sent down from their Lordships' House.
It was then ordered that these reasons of the House of
Commons, be taken into consideration to-morrow.
The business of the House was then suspended for a
considerable time, their Lordships waiting in expectation
of Bills frOm the. Commons. • •
A Message from the Commons brought up the Coven-
try Boundaries Bill, which Was read a first time, and
ordered to be read a second time ito-morrow.
The House then adjourned, at a Quarter to Nine
o'Clock, till to-morrow.

Uliet i.O a aii.‘6“.!
word in hoaour of those by whom those sormes wore

WA ALS tib,,A .::.:♦..:v-li L"",
an acknowledgement of public gratitude would be more