The Sun.
London, England, 1820-10-07 00:00:00

—No.

Why .was the room changed ?—Because it was. so low tbot
be c•oultl out- stand up fight in it.

,Flow far was Bergattn's ruiprn removed frow that of tee
Princess ?—About 60,feet.

Was there any room or rooms bitween the Princess's and
Bergami's ?--Theie were three roonts,.and also a passage.
Who .occupied the three rooais?—William Austin
the first, Mr.siirlierostysnus in the second, and Dr. Holland-in
the third.

Did these rooms intervene between the Princess's and Pier

?—Yes.

Did auy passage open on the thtee rooms ?—lt did..
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Do yon remember t!eing at a masked ball given by the Pri.47

cess <<t 'Naples ?--Yes;

Do yon remember the dresses of the servants on that occa,
sion I—l 111,1 not sce t hem.

Did you wait upon that' occasion ?-1 Jid.
Did you travel with the Princess On her journey to Naplv4?,

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.Do you remember William Austin there ?—I (to.
Do you teutember where Austin usually .slept before ynar
arriralatNaples?—fte slept by himself when their was teem
for bun,• and when there was not, he slept to the: Princess's
roam.

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Do you realenibena person of the name of M4oeci?-7—l do•.
Do you tonnetobt r biic mentioning the name of Lixtun
tetla to you,?-71 ito. • •

Wbat act. lurar Majocci say of Baron Onlßteda.

The A'T'TORNEY GENERAL here objected to this ques-
tion; ne:feniarlictl, that no question had ever been pat
to Majocci with regard to the Baron Onptvda, and nothii4,"
that passed in conversation; as bettit'en the witness and Ma-"'
joeci, could be received in contradiction 'of bit evidence.
TheSOLICUOR-GF.NERAL spdke shortly on the satneside;‘
he consceivd that his Learned Friends I,rl the opposite sitic
ought to point out wbat part oE.Majocvi's evidence it was pro-

oved to conttaaitt, as no. ecestion hid been pot to NI aj occi

tnt Lair ~iiu(lt,

Dr. LUSFIINGION said, be bopea he should he able to
the necessity of patiing the question, as framed by his
ixt,»ed Friend, as it was Voictly relevant to the matter, and

ul the greatest importance to her llttjesty's case. If it should
eventually be proved, by pursuing this inquiry, that Baron
Othfiretia had acted as a spy upon the Queen, suborned }ter
sett:ants, lined leersons to pick her lochs, and seize her pa-
Peri, and taken such in-ea-sures as not only had injured her
character, but inight have affected her life, he submitted that
this question ought to be juit.

tokt ftEO';q).A.I.E ~vas of opinion, that the Couasel had
t brit bound., and :were fltbt entitled tx., state

!lot ;►plrlying to the evi.tyncv HOW bcfort tile House.—

-If'trowerer,ii was proposed to bring evidence in support of it,
then; the iitiesstiori nii4ht certainly be rut.

F. 441 (;14.EY et,ntentled that if perszins had been hired to
ttrce open tire ?mks and puitoin the Papal of the Queen, and
if Wl;at the Learned Conn4et liatt al:egvd were true, and

could he pnired to he so, it ‘egs strictly a collateral point ; it
such were really the "case,•lie could nut coincide with the
tt
opinio_id the Learo,d Lord, that her Majesty's Counsel had

exceed...4l their !munch in putting such a questiun to the w•it-

ncss at the Bar.

• ItEDESDALF., in explanation, said if evidence were
to be givrn to the point, it would be proper that Majocci
-should he called in first.

The LORD CHANCELLOR said, this was certainly the
oCrst time in Lis life in which he had heard it proposed to
prOve the acts of a third person (meaning Baron Ompteda)
by a conversation which nne witness had with another ; and
it would be in his judgment quite contrary to all the proceed-
in other Courts.

Lord ERSKINE, as far as we could collect, was in favour

of the question being put:
. The Earl of LesIif)ERDALE had risen in order to refer to
the evidence then on the table of the House, and show what
had been proved, by Majoeci's-testimony in reference to the
point; be added, that his Noble:and Learned Friend (Erskine)
was perfectly out ,of order, whereas he had risen to restore
9rder, and wished their Lordships to consult the evidence on
We table.

Lord ERSKINE could not help complimenting his Noble
}:riend upon his anxiety for taliing the business out of the
hands of the Counsel fur the Queen.

Dr. LLTSHINGTON was now permitted to resume his re-
rvarts ; he observed, that when he aas stopped in his argu-
ment by their Lordships, he had never intended to sheer, that
Majocci's conversation will► the witness was to prove an:
t Ging respecting the actions of Baron Ompteda. He merely
wished to draw an argument in explanation of the conduct of
t kel4nern, whip lead been compelled to have somebody to sleep
near her on whose fidelity she could depend for protection from
the dangers 'that encompassed her and menaced her. The
cleating up of this principal point would explain many' acts of
Ltr Royal Highness. The existence of a plot against her
Majesty was denied by the Atturney-General, but it re-
nitined to disprote the existence of this plot; when, fur
irtstanee, Majoeci was asked if be knew the Baron Omp-
teda, he answered be could not recollect him, he could
not remember his name, because it was an unusual one, a

very strange one. Now, surely, if it could by proved in evi-
dence that Majocci not only knew, but had spoken to Baron
Oinpteda, and that he Was oncepresent at several scenes which
he could not remember now, tt was of importance, in order to
discredit the testimony ter had given at that Bar; latterly its-
deed be remembered nothidg, —tie could not remember false
keys, no picking- of locks, no porluiiii:ig of papers, nor hardly
B.(9—thing else, and nothing but a series Of Non nsf Rivordoes
could be extracted front him. fie: contended that, in such
circumstances, he bud clearly a rid ht to contradict the
forgetfulness of 2,lajoccr, and refresh his memory, ill
she wing from another source that he really knew Itaron
thispteda,and was aware of that plot so material to justify the
conduct of the Queen. If it could be proved that Majocci
had spoken of the plot, of the false keys, and of other facts, it
must of necessity do away the effect of his denials ; was it not
of importance to prove that, in the then excess of his enthu
siasm for the Queen, Majocci hail said that if her Majesty
would permit him, he would" kill Ompteda like a dog ! ! !
Such et idence, he contended, would supply the omissions in
his- own, and remolso the impression Of his periory.
Itlr. BROUGHAM spoke shortly, but ably, in support of
the doctrine of his Learned Friend.

Elie LORD ,CHANCELLOR thought it might possibly save
their Lordships' time, if they referred to the evidence given
hy►llrjocci at first. When, for instance, he was asked whether
he knew any thing of a. quarrel, he said he remember-
ed' a quarrel between Mr. gownaru and the Baron, but
be did not know the nature of it. The witness might
thetefore be asked, what Majocci hadsaid of their quarrel;
this however might perhaps be objected to, because the name
of.Artron Orupteda bad not been directly brougktup.

The AT had to apologize for trou-
blitig their Lordships with a very few words. He could not,
imwevel ,help complainini of the statement made by theLearre-
ed Counsel on the opposite side, for he never !maid that Ba-
ron Pmpteda's nAlue had been refused till now; she had also
to complain of the assertion of a Learned Counsel, that the
credit of Majocci's testimony was entirely destroyed; for the
credit due to his evidence, their Lordships were alone to
judgv, and the proceedings had not art iced at that stage, when.
sorb an opinion could be formed in fairness by eitherside. He,
t herefore, could not permit the declaration of the wellness at the
Bar, against the testimony of Majocci, to be received till the
latter had been examined on that precise point. With le-
spett to the quarrel now adverted to, it would be recollected
that Majocci had never been asked if he had talked to one
William Carrington on the subject, or even if- be knew
such a person at all. The question of his Learned Friends
hail taken him by surprise ; it came like an after thought,
and-might be intended for an after clap; but their Lordships
would nee the necessity of pointing the attention of Majocci to
the person he' was stated to have talked with, and they
writ hound in justice so to do, before the -wittness at the Bar
wag ;allowed to depose to this point. No such questioe, it
u;u4 imsreptatefl, and their Lordships would observe the fact,
was put to Majocci in any form; lied therefore his Learned
Friends most not be permitted to pursue their proposed
ensue. If, indeed, the clwn); were , admitted, Jet
their Lordships see the situation in which they would
place the witntsses at rho bar ;, a situation, he would
tiottertake to say, never beard of in the Courts below. What
be .should contend was, that they most first call Ma-
jocci to the Bar, and' ask him the particular nneslion,
with respect to the calumnies and slanders that were
heaped on Baron .ompteda; as far as he knew any thing
of the matter, he did--not .hel.ere there o'as any ground for
supporting them.
elf er a series of observations from the Lord Chancellor,

Lord trildric, Mr. tiroegham, alld the
~Attorncy•Genvral ;
L u•nl Lr:lt ine was beard iti expianalion.

The LORD CIINI\;UELLOR then siigectc(l,-that it would

better to frame a rptesti Ot in point for t he opinion of the
Learned Judges as to how far the practicetiow recommended
was conSowtnt with the proceedings-of the Courts below;
and he accordingly next submitted arinestion for the opinion
of the Judges.
(We left Ear,' GREY speaking.) • •