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vided assent of the public- as to the fitness of the appointment.
But then there were two other appointments in the Equity
'Courts, created by the Bill of the last Session, and so
high an opinion did the present Government hold
of the jtidicial services- of Lord Cottenham that their
first act after the passing of the Bill was to tender to him one of
those judgeships. Lord-Cottenham declined to accept the ap-
pointment, and he (Sir R. Peel) could well understand the
motives that had induced him to do so; it was scarcely to be
expected, in consequence of his positipn, thathe would accept it;
but the Government were determined not to forego the oppor-
tunity of offering it to Lord Cottenham, and thereby effect-
ing a saving to the country, and also showing to men of high
professiona reputation t'eat the Government were determheed
not to pass them by. „He would now give also an explanation
of all he knew as the retirement of the Judges referred to
by the Noble Load. The Noble Lord acquitted the Govern-
ment of any blame. His motion was directed against the
Judges the
nnselves ; and, he must say, when he heard the bar
of each_ of the Courts, in. which those Learned Sledges presided,
offering the expression of their unanimous opinion that those
Judges might reposeein uninterrupted happiness for the re-
mainder of their days, it was painful to thihk that such repose
should be interrnpted,and that happiness prevented, by debates
in that Houses intended to convey reflections upon them. lie
was not prepared for the resignation of his valuable friend Lord
Chief Justice Bushe. He (Sir R, Peel) had not heard that
his powers were undermined, but It was intimated to him that
his Lordship wished to resign, being now 75 years of age, having
been Attorney-General from 1805 to 1825, and having
served the Administration of the party to which the
Noble Lord belonged with equal fidelity to that with
which he served his own. He (Sir IL Peel) therefore
thought., that a recollection of the lustre which the united
abilities of Plunkett and of Beebe reflected on the Administra-
tion of Ireland, ought to have induced the Noble Lord to ex-
,empt the late Lord Chief Justice from that attack.—( Hear.)
The Lord Chief Justice signified his wish to resign solely on
account of the infirmities attending seventy-five years of age.
There was no stipulation as to a successor, and if be (Sir
Robert Peel) interfered at all, it would be to throw obstruc-
tions in the way of the retirement of so distinguished a man.
His character might be estimated from the address that had
been presented to him by the Bar of Ireland; and he (Sir R.
Peel) could not but think that the advocate for justice to Ire-
land was the first man to throw imputations on the profession
to which he belonged--( Cheers from the 31inisterial benches)
—describing it as a Bar whose addresses to retiring Judges
were mere waste paper, for when a leader made a call, some
had the meanness to comply, and other; had not the
courage to refuse.—(Hear, and cheers ) The Lord
President signified his desire to retire also, stating that he
was seventy-eight years of age, and weighed down by infirmity.
It was supposed that some inducement Lad been held out to
the Lord President to influence him to resign his office. It was
not indeed, expressly stated that the appointment of his son
was connected with his retirement; but it had been insinuated
that sense such nature operated on his mind. He (Sir R.
Pee:) altogether di claimed the imputation. There was no
kind of connection between the two events ; and the ai.point-
ment of the son had been made out and his salary had led.en
fixed before her Majesty's Government had considerd.
arrangement might be ma le with respect to the d
t'Peintment
of a successor to the Lord Pre ieent. The ape ointment of the
son was not in the slightest degree cotineede4',ittethe retire-
ment of the father. The' son had be a appointed in corn-
plitnee wih that rule which the /e' Gentleman was dis-
rased to apply so rigidly —lied w 3 appointed Dean of the
culty, because he had "Te elected by the universal voice of
the Bar of Scotland to tlesee most honourable position, and be-
cause he (Sir R. P ee) believed that the Bar of Scotland,
admitted that r.
distinguished advocate could have
been selected, than. Mr. John Hope—(Hear, hear)—to fill the
office. The lion. Gentleman hal asked whether the Lord
President had nit signified a wish to retire in 1834 o: in 1835.
He (Sir R. Peel) declared, singular as it might appear to the
Ilem. Gentleman, that, as far es his memory went, he had
trot the slightest recollection of such a circumstance.
Pat supposing it hail been made, how utterly inconsistent Was
that charge with the other?—( Hear, hear.) His ( Sir R. Peel s)
tenure of office was somewhat precarious in 1835; and he be-
lieved that after the, vote upen the Spcakership, he might have
pretty well foresesa %\ 11• It OUld have been his fate. He should
have thought, too, that th • Hon. Gentleman's confidence in his
own Administration in 1840 must have been somewhat checked,
after he had found in 1839 that the Ministry had found it ne-
cessary to resign because they did not possess the public eon&
dence.—( Hear, hoar'.) But what was it the Hon. Member
now asked? Why, simply this—whether he (Sir R. Peel)
had the virtue in 1835 to resist the proposal ? The Hon. Gen-
tleman admitted that he had deserved some credit if, after
having a. plausible ground for accepting the offer of resignatien,
he had still not availed himself of the opportunity. He hoped
that if the Hon. Gentleman spoke again upon .such a subject,
he would recollect that he must haee a hope of again occu.
ring a seat on the Treasury Benches.—( Hear, hear. )
He asked him upon what those disclosures were founded—
( Loud cheers)—and if the Hon. Gentleman's conscience
would decide that they were altogether on one side and in their
favour he (Sir It. Peel) would desire hint to come back.—
Laughter and cheers.) But, supposing this was the case, he
(Sir( R. Peel) could not take the credit of having declined to
accept it. But if this offer were made, it appeared to him (Sir
Robert Peel) thathe would be perfectly justified in saying to
the Lord President, " You mistake your infirmities, they are dif-
ferent from what you suppose them to be, there may yet be.
intellects which you can apply to eublic service; my advice, my
friend, is thehYoteehould remain."—(Cheers and la ugh ter.) If
he took that course, ii weuld be reconvilsable with and con-
firmed by the detestein 18311-4 Hear, hear.) If, in 1839, he
(Sir R. Peel) hadedsileeielsttee Loid President to remain in office,
and devote the remEtritirleida portion, of his years to the public
service he should have been met by the Hon. Gentleman the
Under Secretasy of State, be stating that that was the first
time he had"} ailtl iheethat distinguished and venerable Judge
was afflicted with mental indisposition, although his physical
powers might have been impaired by the labour of years. The
Under Secretary of State won'd then have been ready to an-
swer
for the full application of all his mental powers. The
Right Hon. Barouct concluded be easing it was his firm in-
tention to °plebs:4lo4- motiOn.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the question which he had pro-
posed was a very siml,le one indeed, and the only answer he
had reeeived'to it was from the Secretary of State for the Home
Department. Tint Right- lion. Gentleman had given some-
thing like an answer, but as to a defence, not one of the gen-
tlemen opposite attempted to make any such thing.—(Loud
cheers.) H:s (Lord J. Russell's) statement was this, that
there were grounds to suspect that two Judges, being very
high on the judicial bench—(Hear, hear)—had retained office
at a time when they were infirm, either in mind or body, in-
stead of giving in their resignation, until another Ministry
came into office, and he (the Noble Lord) said that if that was
admitted to have been done—if Judges holding those high situa-
tions were to took at the state of the Houses of Parliament, to
see whether one party had a majority over the others, and whe-
ther they ought tcr postpone their resignation until certain
Ministerial changes would have taken place—he (Lord J. Russell)
said that was conduct which must have the effect of lowering
the character of those .Judges in the estimation of the public.
—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) He had heard much said on his
own side of the House in corroboration of the statements he
had made, and very little was said on the other in refutation
of them.-(Cheers.) The Learned Lord, the President of
the Court of Session in Scotland, had stated himself that he
was incapable of performing the duties of his office—he stated
that he had great difficulty even in walking up the steps to his
court; that he was latterly afflicted with deafnese while he
held his office.—(llear, hear.) Were those changes, those
afflictions so sudden as to occur immediately before the resig-
nation of that Learned Judge ?—( Hear, hear, and cheers.)
Had they all come on in 1841—(Loud cheers)—or did the
Learned Lord, although he was some time afflicted
in that way, postpone his resignation until there
was a change in the Ministry.—(" Hear, hear," and
cheers.) As to the case of the Lord Chief Justice of the Court
of Queen's Bench in Ireland, he (Lord John Russell) had
heard nothing except what had tended fully to confirm the
statements he had made. A fight Hon. Gentleman opposite
(the Recorder for the City of Dublin) stated that these in •
firmities of body had come on the Lord Chief Justice of the
Court of Queen's Bench in Ireland only lately.--( Hear, hear.)
If that statement was made within the knowledge of the Re-
corder of Dublin, undoubtedly it would have great weight. But
that Right. Hon. Gen!. did not state that the facts were within his
knowlsdge ; and if the retirement of the Lord C hief Justice was
caused in that way, undoubtedly it was very proper—( Hear,
hear)--but as those facts were not stated by the Secretary of
State for the Hume Department, he (Lord J. Russell) would
not take them as answers to his statement.--( Rear, hear.)
Was it to be admitted or asserted by the Members of the Go•
vernment, that it was proper for a Judge—that it was exalt-
ing his character, to use means, or Watch the movements of po-
litical parties, in order to wait until certain change; of admi-
nistra•ions had taken place, that they then might retire from
office ?—( Hear, and loud cheers.) 'With respect to one of the
Judges in nuestiopeit was not denied that he was incaracitated
from discharging his duties. With respect to the other, the facts
were not refuted. Therefore he (Lord J. Russell) must per-
severe in calling- for the letters which were the subject of his
motion. At all events, there Ms this singular fact, that the
change oflthaiNlinistry had taken place concurrently with the
resignation of both thafse Learned Judges.—( Hear.) With
respect to Lord Corehouie, he ( Lord J. Russell) directed his
Hon. Friend then Under- Secretary, to write to his Lordship,
stating that' is reisienteation must be unconditional, and without
stipulation of any kind ; and that having received this intima-
tion, he might. resign or retain his office as he chose. The case of
Lord Plunkett was one of an ere irely different-nature, for the office
of Lord thaneeller lacing held during pleasure, differed greatly
from those that weee held for lire. He (the Noble Lord)
would not now enter into the reasons of Lord Plunkett's retire •
anent-e(Laughter and cheers)—but would merely remark that
his successor, Lord. Campbell, of whose political rind legal abi-
lities the House had often had the benefit, not knowing what
might be the effect, of a dissohation—(Laughter)—accepted the
office, with the stipulation that he should have no retiring pen-
sion. This was an act for which the opposite party could not
show a precedent ; nor did he blame Sir Edward Sugden,when
appointed, perhaps not is ith a greater prospect of continuing
in his office, for not making a similar stipulation. Having
mentioned those cases, he (Lord John Russell) must persevere
in asking for the letters, foe he feared, otherwise, it would be
difficult to convince the country that Judges did not, from poli-
tical motives, delay the resignation of offices which age and in-
firmity had unfitted them to hold, and that such conduct was
intended to be heist out, not as a warning, but, to use the words
of the Right Hon. Bart., a precedent foe others.—( Cheers.)
The House then divided, is hen the numbers were—

.For the illation
Against the motion
Majority --- 73
The Loan Societies Bill was read a second time.
Sir H. lIAItDINGE brought up the Army Estimates.
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House adjourned at a Quarter to Nine o'Clock.
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I II G REA T
ANTI-CORN-LAW
CONFERENCE.
(YESTERDAY.)

The Conference met yesterday morning at the Crown and
Anchor, at eleven o'clock. The attendance was much more
numerous than it had been on any former occasioD.
Mr. M‘LAREN, on taking the Chair at half-past eleien
o'clock, said that at a meeting of the Executive Committee
this morning, which had been very fully attended, he had been
allowed to propose that, as he had occupied:the Chair two days,
the Committee should fix upon another member to fill
that post. He had occupied the Chair two days, and he
thought that a sufficient time for a Deputy from the country t 9
have occupied that Chair, and therefore he had expressed it as
his opinidb that the Chair ought now to be occupied by some
person connected with Loudon. The Committee had consi-
dered the subject, and had acceded to his request. It had then
been considered who should be recommended to occupy the
Chair to-day. and it had been agreed upon that P. A. Taylor,
Esq., of London, should be requested to occupy the Chair.—
( Cheers.) He therefore proposed that Mr. Tay:or should take
the Chair.

Mr. KEItSfIAW, of Manchester, seconded the nomination,
which was carried by acclamation.

TA Loft then took the Chair.

The C.HaramAsr said he had unexpectedly had the honour
conferred upon him of being called upon to occupy the Chair to-
day, but from what hE Wad seen of the quiet and orderly manner
in which their proceedings had been conducted during the last
two days, he felt that he should have no difficulty, with their
a,,sistance, in eaercising the function which had devolved upen
him. The question had assumed such a shape since yesterday
—( Loud cheers)—had been so cleared front all difficulty, as Co
make their path clear and straightforward.—(lmmense
cheering.) All apprehensions had been removed lest
the wily politician at the head of her Majesty's Government.
should by securing concessions, concessions in words only, lure
some portion of that support from them which had recently
been manifested in their favour throughout the, coutttry—
(Cheers)--and if they continued in their coureaswith resolution,
moderation, and tirmnez.s, they must car: y their point even-
tually, as they would be sure to cam: every question involving
a national wrong.—(Loud cheers,' The question was, in fact,
shortly, whether the corn- groeeing trade should be protected at the
cost of every other trade
and elds, for the sole purpose of en-
riching the corn-
the agg ~,,,,ing rade.—(Cheers.) The effect being
wealthyrandise-etent of th Venormous rents of an already too
a:'.stoeracy—(Loud cheers)—which were upheld solelj
for tiv.er own purposes, by that aristocracy having the corn-
":and of the legislation of the United Kingdom.—( Cheers. )
Nothing could be said to add to the sordidness of such conduct,
but something might be said to demonstrate its absurdity.—
( Cheers.) The aristocracy attempted to lessen the force of
this plain statement—attempted to delude the people by telling
them that this law was not enacted for the purpose of adding to
their rents—not for the aggrandisement of their wealth—that
it was not a tax imposed upon the country—but a law enacted
for the eational good. He would merely remark upon two of
the arguments which had been propounded by Sir Robert Peel,
in his speech of last night. Sir Robert had said that the
distress was not attributable to tl:e Corn-law, but to the great
excitement of the year 1837. Now he would say, that this could
not be a cause, but it must be a consequence.—(Loud cheers. )
In what state must that nation be which fears to put forth its
utmost, powers of production ?—(Cheers ) What state must
that country be in which could only be maintained in health by
keeping the exertions of its industry in a languid state ?
(Immense cheering.) Was the whole world civilised? Was
it true that the country could only be maintained in a healthy
state by restraining its creative powers. If such were the case,
the end of the world must be at hand. At all events there
was, not room for another producing individual in it. We
already produced too much for the consumption of the
world.—(Loud cheers.) Another argument made use of by
Sir Robert Peel was this. He, congratulated the country
that the amount of the exports had so much increased. Now
if any of them had ever walked through the streets of London
during a time of distress, he must have seen staring him in the
face the announcement—" Tremendous sacrifice." The con-
sequence of that announcement always was, that immense sales
took place ; and perhaps, in the course of two days, the mere
chant's warehouse was cleared. Well, then, when this had
taken place, Sir Robert Peel would go into that merchant's
warehouse, and, shaking him by the hand, say to him, " Sir, I.
congitatulate you on your prosperity ; you never made such
large tales in your life before." 'The merchant might well re-
ply, as did the General who had lost half his best troops in a
victory, " Sir Robert, another such a run of prosperity would
be toy ruin."—(Hear.) Ile would recommend that, in their
speeches of to-day, those who addressed the meeting should use
rather the language of action than that of reflection.—(cheers. )
that they should rather say what was to bedone for the future.
(Cheers)—than deliver anything like Anti-Corn-law lectures.
• (Cheers.) On the question now there could be no mis-
take.—(Cheers.) The landed aristocracy were pitted against
them, and give way easily they would not.—(Hear, hear. )
Sir Robert Peel, after five months, of gestation had brought
forth the mouse of last ni: ht —( Cheers and laughter.) There
were no hopes fur them, they must either conquer the aris-
tocracy in some way or other— (Immense cheering)—he
meant Peaceably, constitutionally—(Cheers)—but they must
put the aristocracy down in some way or other, or the aris-
tocracy would crush there.—( Loud cheers.)
Mr. Gitec,, (the late member for Manchester,) said that
before they proceeded to the regular business of the meeting
they had a grateful duty to perform, and he therefore proposed
a vote of thanks to their late Chairman.—( Cheers.)
Mr. E. BAXTER had great pleasure in seconding the propo-
sition. He had come a distance of 500 miles to advocate jus-
tice to all—to the merchant, to the manufacturer, to the spin-
ner, to the poor ; and he would tell them he was determined to
come back again as often as Sir Robert Peel pleased.—(Loud
cheers.) He would not relax in his endeavours as 1 .ng as
justice was refused to the people.—(Cheers.) He wished to
see justice done to the commercial man, the manufacturer, the
labouring classes, and the poor—(Loud cheers)—and he hoped
that they would none of them desist until they had accoin-
plishedjustice for England, Scotland, and Ireland.—(lmmense
cheers.) He had come 500 miles, and therefore claimed a
right to second the vote of thanks to Mr. M'Laren, for he
knew him well.—( Cheers.) He was a gentleman who had
been most highly esteemed as an upright, intelligent, and ta-
lented mart. He had great pleasure in seconding the vote
proposed by Mr. Greg.—(Cheers.)
The vote of thanks to Mr. M'Laren was then put and car-
ried by acclamation.

Mr. APLAarx, in rising to return thanks, said, he begged
to acknowledge the kindness of the gentleman who proposed
a 'vote of thanks to him for his services in the Chair. He
consented to occupy the Chair with great reluctance; but,
having undertaken the office, he used his best endeavours to
discharge properly his duty to the meeting, and he must say,
that the conduct of the azsembly was such as to render his
office almost a sinecure.—( Hear, hear.) He begged to thank
the meeting for the manner in which it had received the vote
of thanks which was passed to him; but, being on his legs,
he wished to explain, that the meeting which was held last
night at Brown's Hotel, eller the announcement of the Pre-
mier's measure, was quite unconnected with the Conference.
They met as individuals, and passed resolutions which would
be laid before the Conference to-day ; but he begged it to be
understood that they did not meet as a Conference.—( Hear. )
It was not their intention to take upon them the powers of
the Conference. He also desired to say that he cordially agreed
with what the Chairman had spoken, that this was not a time
for reflection, but for action.—(Cheers.) There could be no
difference of opinion, that though the sliding scale had got a
new face, it was essentially time simile as the old cne—( Hear,
hear)—and it was perhaps the best thing that could have
happened that t'..ere was so little difference in the two mea-
sures.—( Cheers.) If it had been larger, some of the friends
who were not over zealous in the cause might have said, " Oh,
it is a large measure, let U 3 give it a trial for a year or so, that
we may know how it will tell ;"_but now the change was so
small that no person who might be inclined to take the smallest
good ,Iteration, could listen to it for a moment as worthy of
consideration.—(Cheers. ) He knew they would more than
ever be united in resisting it.—( Cheers. )
The CHAIRMAN said he could not help announcing to the
meeting, that he had got intelligence that the Manchester
Bazaar hail already realised 10,000/.—(Loud cheers)—an
answer to Sir Robert Peel's speech last night.—( Cheers. )
lie would take that opportunity of remindini ...-entlemen that
they must have for the struggle the sinews:at Hear)—
and that they must open their purse strings, lint looking on
what they gave as an outlay, hut as an investment that would
briog a large interest.—(Cheers.)

Colonel THOMPSON rose 4rnict loud cheeri, and said, that
since he came into the room, ass abstract of the speech of the
Prime Ministerhad been put into his hand, with a desire that
he would comment thereupon, and'inasmuch it would be very
unwise to occupy three hours on a commentary ou the three
hours' speech of her Majesty's:Premier, he must be excused if
he fell short of the longitude of that sprech.—(Cheers and
laughter.) lie would follow the advice of the Chairman, and
give them words of action, rather than of reflection.—(Cheers.)
Nevertheless he would bog of the meeting to hear some words
of reflection, rather than of action, on the plan of the Prime
Minister, and the reasons he avowed for pursuing that plan.—
( Hear.) And in the first place, he (Sir H. Peel) took the
position that the existing national distress was not to be traced
altogether to the operation of the Corn-laws. Now, `then-.
every one of them went home to their own residences, would
not distress, whether they would or not, present itself to
them?—(Cheers.) And would not their ledgers trace it to the
operation of the Corn-la:'-s ?—( Cheers.) Does not each mer-
chant know that the operation of these laws has been the cause
of throwing, out of his employ men, women, and children, and
that they are cast starving on the world, because the hands that
would feed them are not allowed to carry food to their mouths,
because the law says that the productions of industry shall not
be exchanged for. food ?—(Cheers.) On what principle of
justice could those who advocated those laws now, defend
themselves when they came to answer them, as he trusted in
God they would be compelled to answer them—when they were
asked why a compensation in the shape of a bounty on foreign
corn should not be continued to the people for an indefinite
period—
? (Cheers.) He (Colonel Thompson) hoped that a
few like touches from the Minister would bring their courage
to the sticking-point—( Loud cheers)— and that they would
find out that there was nothing of the pith of anything like
argument on this question. These Tory aristocrats tell you
that they were born for the enjoyment of duties, and that the
people were born for the enjoyment of paying those duties.—
(Laughter.) Now, when it is urged that trade is declining
by reason of that law, which is continued for the aristocrats'
benefit, how, he asked, would they answer to the people, the
demand for retribution?—( Cheers.) He would not unneces-
sarily advocate retribution, but it was Scriptural?—(Cheers. )
He found that four-fold was paid for a sheep, and five-fold for
an ox, and if that were so, what retribution ought not be
demanded for the Corn-law?—(Loud cheering.) He went
back to the principle—he might prove that retribution was-
acknowledged to be most profitable in all nations and ages,
and it would be found that it would not do for any,
man to continue injustice in the expectation of impugnity.
(Loud cheers.) Something must be done in the way of threat
or retribution before the wicked or selfish were made to give up
their unjust practices.—(Loud cheers.) It remained to he
seen whether they were not to have some other droits de sesg.l
lleur. He need not explain what that meant, they all knew
that it gave certain kinds of rights over their wives end daugh-
ters. And just as insulting and unjust, considering the differ-
ence of anciaat and present times, were the demands of the
aristocracy upon them.—( Cheers.) They tell us that the ma-
nufacturers must not work without paying to them a high
per tentage for the liberty, and this was a state
of things which no nation like Eng'and would sub.
mit to. —(Cheere. ) He would now proceed to some of 11)4
arguments of their enemies. The existing national distress
was stated to arise from a concurrence of various causes. There
was a rope about the neck of the patient, but the doctor comes
in and says that it was a concurrence of causes that was
killing hina.—( Loud cheers and laughter.) The poor patient
it was evident had not died from the rope, but fro&s a concur-
rence of causes.—( Laughter.) He had a flow of blond to the
head.—( Laughter.) A tendency to suffocation.—( Renewed
laughter.) But the Prime Minister in his capacity of State
Physician, would accountle-the phenomenon of the patient7a
case, by attributing it to a'concurrence of causes end a compli-
cation of embarrassment.—(Laughter.) Say not a word of
the rope—look for the cause to a concurrence of circumstances
to account for the extravasation; and thus the Premier answers