The Sun.
London, England, 1842-02-04 00:00:00

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expectations,icionuforauendmeidg,6t
ticipated than what the measure of the Noble Lards.
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be taken a andp resent,he
might be calculated to effect, or otherwise the same disapp ""
ment would follow.—( Hear.
, speeda of his Noble Friend (Lord Melbourne), would I'e ,able
hnoophe di n :bin.). tor:bmati g
hwothpbapeter_viiate;
The Earl of RIPON said that any one who listened to,th_ea
1 that he bad nothing to oppose to the observations of the
~1 „°_,,
Lords who moved and seconded the Address ; for he coo
d 01."
nothing to .hang his remarks upon but what fell fro.h.ten;
(the Earl of Kipon) inthe last Session of Parliament. 11
—(Hear, hear, avd a laugh)-and still more so if he ba 'further
sorry tl'at on that occasion he did not please his Noble Fr!c,%(l
his Noble Friend offence, than which nothing could be
er,to
from his mind. But if the effect of that motion hadbe,...,i..
place them (the Ministers) in a situation to meet the dttolnau"af
ties of the country, ana to obtain the calm consideara e bad
both Houses of ParliMneni, he could not regret th
(_ttti said
( clear,
that Ministers had found di!' Jlifficulties of the counl.raf
,e and
brought it forward,— r hear.) His Noble Frl 'a so
very dangerous as they thou
that what he (Lord Ripon) had called a ridiculouas.,,.etnry
China was likely to be brought to an early end s tl.:_, not
conclusion. Now he (Lord Ripon) I,:ever said that it
._aatien.
thought they were in August 1 st
..r je
likely to be brought to an early and satisfactewy tcr°l;• tis ail
What he had said was that it was a peculiar war, "wan it
ne other 1(I
not an extraordinary war, with a people like no :WOO
enemy that would not fight.—( Hear, and a laugh. in the
world ?—and when proceedings, which were, oh one
with certain results in other countries were att,--ndeo , e was no
in that.--( Hear.) Neither bad he ever said thlat ti.h,eri. hear.)
prospect of a friendly settlement with Persia.—(: ue,,ac'eharac
He had said the reverse. He had said that from 1'1(64 and
ter of the Envoy that settlement was likely to be efft e !poi t°
such had been the case. It was not neces-ary for
er, 0111
go into the various topics of the Address, which bacihfer-cero)
discussed by his Noble Friend (the Marquis a i,wiaite,--
as was acknowledged by the Noble Viscount. orinbject,
( Hear.) Ministersble Viscount, in reference to one lie ad-
advised thers to re-consider their measures.
to
or
vised them not to regard the opinions which had ell) ot t°
or to redeem the pledges they had made. He told then': the
care if the existence of their Government depended n.P.uadvice
measure in question--not to mind that, but to take hi' a the
and act in opposition to their own arowed opi.eion',ls7)l3at
painciples of their Administration.—( Hear, and a lane, great
no; they hail an example for that.—(Cheers a.eue or de-
laughter.) . ) Ho would not then go into any explamit'? netfect
tail of the course which would be taken, for. a" w/ifear.),
explanation could only produce misapprehension--,"' soul'
He agreed with the Noble Viscount that 't,_ t ail
be a fatal error to hold out expectations tlasnciety
measure could, in the complicated machinery °f legir
which England presents,—that it would be possible by ant otie-
lative enactment to prevent that occasional distress whie
tuations in trade inevitably produce.—( Hear, hear.) , tog
Lord BE AUMONT said, that having expressed a very
could
opinion in favour of theexistingeorn-lawslastsession,l7atos•
not allow this occasion to pass without making a few
oh.er t alight
We understood the Noble Lord to say that he thought 1 jot es
,
be possible to make some such improvement in the„ „roelit
would enable the agriculturist to know better than t" ra that
what he had to depend upon, anti he would even ad ea 00
the present mode of taking the averages was attenuef ear°
fraud ; for he knew of an instance of 3,00 quarters °sot t°
being nominally sold to a factor at Hull, and thin ,ricer
Wakefield, and there again nominally sold at another, Lief
without a single quarter ever being delivered, the object'
only toa ffect the averages. debate.
Lord BROUGHAM did not rise to go into any long nut ,1°
on the various topics of the Address, but he would itheei'
his duty if he did not observe upon one or two (": is re:
The most important was the severe distress whL.C.,55 s('
vailed, and which, though far from universal, %fly is
severe that its severity could not be exaggerated, esirche-fere_Au
the West Riding of Yorkshire and in Lancashire. 1,-,. feared
that the distress was in its present extent transitory,but 'l' per.'
he must agree with his noble Friend that in this coantriensitle
odical distress and reverse of fortune was almost indliP as, fl
to the highly artificial state of society. For centuries, niself,
ages, this country had been manufacturing. not only Whoa I
bet for the world, and such a country might well appre nool°
gradual decline of some branches in which other natioln wen
take to supply themselves. But that was ne tf,e do'
for not making every practical effort to stay 00;
dine of such manufactures, and to open other In noire`
It was with most especial satisfaction that he had lit it ess
in her Majesty's most gracious Speech an indication thtecoro'
the intention of Ministers to undertake a revision of that thel
laws—of which the worst operation was, in his opinion, t,.„, the
had a tendency to stunt the manufacturing industry isear,
country, by obstructing the channels of foreign trade.---!„100
hear.) He had always considered that the only effeet°7 00-:
of dealing with this subject, indeed the only safe wR); e'
to legislate for a total and complete 'l%OOl
the Corn-laws—gradual and progressive, but entire and
of the
ditional in its ultimate result. This was the charactereorreet'
measure he thought would alone do any good; but tlseeoght;
the conjectures or alarms of those who, on the one hand' loser
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that the consequence of such a measure would be t° rent
the price of food, or, on the other hand, to reduce the piell
lend, he begged to refer to the authority of a Noble, 1
who he regretted was not here now, connected (9
the counties of Nottingham and Hampshire d rib°
Spencer), who moved the Address last August, alt, 4 hit,
in advocating the entire repeal of the Corn-laws, ad
race 0;
conviction that such a measure would neither lower the t-atom
food nor reduce the rent of land. But his Noble Friend ',reed,
and in this view, at least, he (Lord B.) fully 70.'reig°
that it would have the effect of opening new channels of ce-i
trade—of . staying the decline of our COrmaertares,
of arresting the downfal of our ntanatiolib
That those effects would be the result, he had no tneir-havis!
than that he was at that moment standing there and 1 sa'a
the "honour of addressing their Lordships. Until I, eor
what measures his Noble Friend was about to propose, hell`, ab'
B.) would only say he hoped his Noble Friend saw t. 00,00,
solute necessity of relieving commerce, not by regular!
,etbo
Corn-laws alone, but by regulating generally those dub bea'''d
pressed upon consumption and production.—(Hear, 30,
'That his Noble Friend felt this necessity, he 'TO
Brougham) most earnestly and fervently hoped- gtee'
1)
passage in her Majesty's Speech, which spoke
f our 714,
ment with the various Powers with which we are neg°tl},jectl
held forth very cheering prospects. In respect of one :;1 taw
the slave trade,• it was necessary, in consequence of "fi',ote?
recently passed, thate;ie (Lord Brougham) should for a, lis -I‘°'
solicit their Lordships'attention—partieulaqy that °' o'i.g. to
blo Friend on the Woolsack, as he (Lord B.) w3',,tgslacer, Yht
allude to a matter of very great importance—he inca"-ta oll'e"
and an occurrence which had recently taken place, 5.1.0 II 1
at first sight might seem to have an untoward aspect hoe
gotiation about to be commenced, and which P't tbe
would be carried on with success—he nleafinerieji;
proposed negotiation with the United States of aabetwee4
He purposely abstained from entering on the cpseatint!4, segs„re
her Majesty's Government and the United States 01"asti'll
to the right of search. He thought, if the law of the 5 to a
were perfectly understood, it would at once put au en it fiat'
negotiations on :the subject, and show how
sightsimpossible hafe',
whatever disposition her Majesty's Government lll
of which, of course, he -knew nothing, and w allege
he could predicate nothing for them to do, for it alas i PI;
it was about to be demanded of them, for the law
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land clearly precluded the impossibility of their acre rd "',
such a demand. The case was thus, the slaves on. o;oisg';
pluvaepewrs
tsffoeet
icllt,thi
perfectly
from
olquestionhemgo uaolrll according
eec
opchaorar4i
noirsfgie
recognised
Aetnoamsot
ehnarei
ltcehl
aagewtaocl
saaop another
state.oati
hnearn Adw Americacrewwl
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teaf ;ea
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a cargo of slaves ; and we had no right so fastidiouslY„'n-f nif,
plain of the horrors of slavery, since it was only eigh,l d t','
years ago that we, by our own laws, must have en "f'
same persons on board the same ship; the° tort
English ship, a cargo of slaves. It did not become tta tt° tli9
round upon them, and express our horror a; nor;
terms which we, within the last few years, would hal- o°-
selves employed. But with this cargo of slaves frouipata;
American port to another, the slaves had exercised that 001
ral right which they were entitled to use, and whie,bared t;
human being had a right to use, if a human being ° again,,
oppress them contrary to human nature. They aril!. too .i;
the Captain, they seize the vessel, and they bring-he' 00'5
English port ; in the course of the scuffle a human land` ;
unfortunately lost ; on arriving at the port 120 slaves were 'tis, on
and the remaining 18 of the crew were taken into cus,t,°, k tie:s
charge, partly of murder and partly of piracy. Now, if 't e„ i;7
manded to have the slaves given up, every one must iliawfa .
compliance with such a demand would be wholly to ,be
By the laws of this country if a slave come to our shores, oeo
slavery does not exist, or to the Vest Indian colonies, by tb:
slavery has not existed since the 31st of August, 1834,soree„
law of England, when he comes there he instantly w:a oo.'"
free, and whether he may have come there at 11 there,
desire, whether he may have been forcibly brougb es bi
Ra 1 tho
or even if he had run away from his master, he vil,,• ce •ef
the law of the land, and could not be demanded; and art 0
Treaty of 1772 there existed no power by law in the e thos
Nassau by which the. Government could give up one °sit siti-a°
slaves, or deal with them otherwise than if they ifer'3 v Ore
ho le
subjects. A question then arises as to the eighteen wed isle'.
said to be the wrong doers, and who were chaj,g(l,°,l
the offence, incident to this loss of life. He that
Brougham) ventured to state that it was quite certal- fro
ing de
any person, whether he were a British subject return enet . a
abroad, or whether he were an alien come into tbis et 1 0.,
were charged with having committed an offence cthßotefe''
jurisdiction of this country, there was no power "';,., 01;
either to seize, detain, or to give him up to any f,°,re470111 d
vernment whatever. For example, if an Engnt..---a ce
France should have committed an offence—even olor,'„-fraa,ha
should escape to this country—or if a Frenchman '--t jr ''.-
0
should commit a like offence, and escape into this COO ; iialti
French Government might in vain apply to this countri,,,e trita.;#
that alleged murderer given up for the purpose of hel7e'eti n':a
cpscsoooot
nmuwa
sir imeetcraroh, ynattrahogl neaerdwdet
hFhwoearfi France,
with
Government
Eoeeoffe,nvengaenelrt
a,
rn,denemsadb
te: i
ntekbwta
knows
jefoteowtnrtosht t
for the offence in that country. It was true that bete veer-
hehgre:
there
ovm,
vceouaputsountniaht, loreevra
is
law uarsnr I
"P'
diej the
sa :Ili eowt
la ,esif:lB
, sec.. ire
which could make the Government- give „rea n..
It was necessary to pass special Acts of I aeds 0
to enable the Government to perform that obligation ;. Iva el
cordingly, the Act of the 42d Geo. 111., commonlY `alp IV"
Alien Act, not satisfied with the usual clause of the itibl tseeT
had a clause, in the case of the American and Fre,nr, arrest
arming the Government with the power to surrender, 00001
and detain parties. He (Lord Brougham) hoped i:,;est, 5,
be excused for entering at so great length into this OK, nue
°t
the ' eff
he had not said niore than he deemed the urgencY ° be oho 0
tion demanded.—( Hear, hear. ) The surrender of t.vg fre
of the persons charged with felony, the murder ha/j ,saa 1°...„'
committed beyond the territory of the British Crown,iiingal.,..,
tally unallowed by law, and was consequently totallYebt tvig`,:e
( Hear, hear.) Supposing a piracy takes placebo thed' /wort.,
arise whether it was a piracy or not, and n the Ely
course would be to have a judicial investigation, fq d, lb
pose of having the facts and the law determlneeted seibe
trusted that this accidental occurrence COo° of the
the capture, and seizure,:and bringing into havePe tot
Creole, when rightly considered, would not ,taporte‘t
question, putting aside the consideration
q, which his Noble Friend, to his honour, ,_ the oio
of thatita'd erourti,
forward, and which he believed would tend greatl!nttet'reete,;fd- )
vantage of the two countries who were so highbrfesr, hi p5O
the perpetuation of these friendly relations•—( . is, to t" 01
Before he sat down, he would add his congratulatinot
that bin
which had already been given upon the happy eve coittrY, )
been announced that day to the House and th,fiear, heerAti,
the introductory part of her Majesty's Speech."'( et. the Ity
He entirely agreed with the mover and seconder
the laysa,
dress in all they had said, both with respect t° i ordshiP.',,,,,
shown through the country, and tt,e joy coverelb...o
the ' increased domestic happiness of their Illustrious .00, wirbie
—( Hear, hear.) He believed there never was aPe than •
had shown their loyalty in a more ardent marine of Wale''
people of England had done on the birth of the Prince He k 0
„.,
and he (Lord Brougham) would even go furthering and ~tics
of no people—and he had had opportunities of setnc „nor
~,
ciating much with the inhabitants of almost allenhe :,,.' friend:_
of Europe—he hail had the happiness of experi i_if'l,sag th._irt
ship and friendly intercourse with the inhabitants °, o /Is
fortoo a more
countries, and in no country which it was his ~ an ,
had he ever known a people more fond of loyalty,
enuotiii;
devoted to the throne, than were the people et. tots.on ?
of theiruta.....
nett's' -egy
How did he (Lord Brougham) fortify that co
a,jan itjaj
ov.
did it by referring to the past. When his .P 4 weit retne.4l
was in this country in 1814, there was, lie wig'. __.,,n thoieje,
ber, the same overflowing loyally and affection.
cor'_"__`,,ni,a ae".
the Allied Sovereigns whom his Majesty then c.rri_ritnse firer
returned triumphant with the illustrious warriorb irl,,Tvg 8. h '
serite he (Lord Brougham) had the honour of Pe4"