The Sun.
London, England, 1842-03-23 00:00:00

r his opinion the Navy should be ruled i:
' Commander-in-Chief; and he believed there .T.femse.
many others whci coincided with him upon that-subie
But at all events he saw no reason why the navy slen
not have an officer at its head, as was the', can
with the Ordnance, and why that officer sbant
not be Master of the Board. Ile cerfahoY.
could see no reason why the navy a aie re"'
try should be ruled by a civilian, who di ided the,ll: ;
spoesibility with the Board, while the one wreiar.
be ready to throw it back upon the o.rsvlei
In a late debate in the other House,
Minto had very clearly shown that there was °lnd.
thing wrote? in the constructfon of the Boar _
It appearee that Lord Minto had sent out
as
order to Sir R w
ebert Stoliford, which nal!
liable to some misunderstanding, and that a desire very„,. _
t tirally existed upon his part as a Cabinet 111inister thane
Board should not be fully acquainted with
The Right Honourable Baronet, the other
_ecentoe
ing, had stated that the navy, while under the conodillths;
civilians, had been well managed, and in proof , were
position he named several. general actions whiFit,nns,
fought while the navy was under the conduct of.:ivniti.
_a
He (Sir C. N.) was well aware three general actions had
been successfully fought while Lord Spencer WPS
woad.tl
bead of the Admiralty ; hut- he presumed they. his inteetirs:
have been fought with the same effect thiulig,esi-
naval officer had Bern in Lord Spencersl teen
tion. The glorious battle of Trafelgar /wa,
,hea.
;.
fought under the Administration of a civilian, o
i.eeend .2
tioe of Copenhagen; which was one of the most...h
navy,'
contested engagements in the annals of the Briiti nee
was fought under the Administration of La" .;tied the
Independently of what he had stated, he belie', if It
mutiny of the Nom would not have taken PiStelralt.r.
naval officer had been at the head of the -A steence
That mutiny arose frcm the tsubmissil reTcfrillot have'
of the sailors being unattended to, which I,"'' the heed
been the case if an Admiral had been "$ which,
of the Board. He asked, would the cites
c lees °L
happened to the Baltic fleet, and of the
4,000 men have taken place in conseVe'—thet sea,
111)feneartni bge
Admiral ke phta
da th a idmtphreo pme ra
nsnegsteamo ne sn t In
the
ies
tifiaal
tii
n
the American war, under the ad'ul't t out.
of Lord Melville, ships had been senf.tegatea
improperly manned, and two or three oast-
had been taken by the .Americaus, incourgne
quence of which the French took „hot
and again appeared in the seas.- He believe° Lowe
9 frigate actions in the American war, 4 lied been.at
battles. He should now mention a fact that his Olt
displeasing to Honourable Gentlemen en "either
of the House, but when wrong was done,' ef it'
by Whig or Tory, they ought to be toluire- tion
It was under a civilian, and during the ado-141°,0 the
of the late Board of Admiralty that their ilet',.;„neen,
risk of being defeated in the Alenite."e-eain4
from being improperly manned .It lees
the judgment of many . naval Olicehr:, JO'
frequently wrote on the subject to
miralty, but though the Board bad tatieed-
power they could never get the ships properly wilt the
They not only ran the danger of being defeated t 100
Mediterranean, but their naval force Nees ladies,
up up • to its proper amount in the West eeb
when an overwhelming French force might
brought against them in the event 0- -rs age
What happened in the West Indies two Yeeait. re'
might happen again; he did not . think tiLeoefol4
lations with Foreign Powers were in a very Lthe
lid
able state ; and though they reduced six sail oi duce
he thought it was extremely dangerous to f retheteil.'tt
single line•of-battle ship.—(Hear, hear.). Ile test
it a very great objection to the AdrairaltYl
should be a political board. It was perfectly welt° resi"
that iu this country it was morally impossible be sea's
politicalinfluenee. Still, he thought there ought tO.OOll
degree of decency- in makingpromotions; this waste ressia
the case, but had not been regarded since .the. Veil°
of the Reform Bill. During the naval adniii.l'essea"
of Lord Melville the Dunciasses were favoin
the Greys; since then had been the Greys
but promotion among them had been much n 1
than might have been expected. The Right
had no relations in the navy. Then cam-
And what did lie do ? Why, he ransacker
t 9 find an Elliot—(Great laughter)—and
exhausted Scotland, he sent to Plymouth in set
Elliot—(Laughter)—and when he could find an
else, he discovered one at the Cape of Gead
C. Napier) had. that day received a letter, info/
the Elliot of the Cape of Good Hope, who bt
a day in the navy, was taken and made storeke,
a post that should have been filled by a naval
hear.) He loped the present Nob:e Lord Wk
that example. He (Sir ('. Napier) had no 0)))
Grey, or any other Minister, promoting a reds
long as they were deserving and he must sap
G. Grey was a very excellent and gallant office
his brother. But what he (Sir C. Napier) coral
the cruel partiality shown in some of these prom
Grey joined the Jupiter at the same time with
man, named Davis. Mr Grey was made ten'
years ago, and now he commanded his second I
Mr. Davis, against whom no fault bad ever bee
h virig served seventeen years in the navy, gave
in disgust, ant was now in the coast-guard,
out from the late promotion, justly called than'
The Gall. nt Admiral - opposite knew well that
Napier) was telling the truth. Many a time had
Gallant Officer go up the Admiralty stairs with
and come down with a broken one. For the im .0
these defects he (Sir C. Napier) proposed one
vstpt
purchase. It was well known, that for every threeosq'fir
only one was promoted; that was, that for three' vent, jii re'
out cf the world,, the Admiralty could bring ill jeribe itot
places.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) ,In fact, u grea 0,
sent system, the First Lord of the Admiralty had chef prty
difficulty in squeezing in an old officer into the l's',; the„ss
tions. If the rule which he proposed for perniilt:nneeel:e)
of commissions were to take place, under the regi? c,..h.2??,
Admiralty, these evils would be obviated.-, flo (`it- the r;
would propose that no man should be promoted fOrce,
of lieutenant to that of commander without pure!lasor $lO I,e
he had served five years afloate and that no comina" 010014
be promoted to the rank of raptatio,witboutpurchafe"4 ttraller
should have served five-. years atkot. This ,regel,ir,
enable the First Lord to say. to those who apPlie,'s mire, af
promotion, that he could not promote them unielo ienty
served the proper time; but that if they served t hlom
lieutenant, or two as'eommander, they might PurceeeP
these means the Tressure for promotion would be tae 50,00,
Admiralty, and they would be enabled to Proslet 100'1,01-
those who knew a great deal, as well as those Ivb°othe te
thing, He did not wish to bring -the army d9iFn that' gars
of the navy, but he thought it herd'upon the DOA, banelast promotion, seventy-five general officers shou''',,,,ce ,en
promoted, and only forty captains should have (I';e4
admirals. He would not detain the House b' ,01)01j6ftf
„
than alluding to the ages of the officers of the first their
on the list of captains. There were only n „id 0, ipvc
years of age. Was it possible that those Men, Pi°;jlir
duty with the zeal and ability of younger Men The 004
show the absolute necessity for a retired list. &ilia" 01,
Commodore then read an extract from Lord t tlehreel
letters, for the purpose of showing the ill-tire tjo i
had received from the Admiralty in Lord Collinge%.
The retired list which he meant to propose $O5
crease the number of out-pensioners of Greens:le Oa
who now get 801. a year in addition to their pay. dtb
to have them increased from ten to one hundred, ans, re 0d
should receive 1001. a year each, instead of 801., tlw_ ;00, or
era were first lieutenants in the war time, and we"es° ti)e
remain ea the shelf ever since, with scarcely the ni be;
porting themselves and their families. He wren;
at co-
Housele give a small sum as retiring pay, all:eie chic
divided by the Admiralty amongst the most e stet is
who had spent their lives in the service. He "lest"'
case of one midshipman who had been seventeen le bf.joir
service, against whom no complaint whatever 0911 r fOl
until at last he quitted it in disgust. The neni,trbe bed 06.7
men were now very much reduced, but, frail, I",..de't 51`;
and known, he thought that no midshipman nes(' le
himself well, should be allowed to remahel!fesr, the
vice as midshipman longer than six years.--k therf,
Another point of great importance was the onyai:ee,.
navy. He believed the. within the last eighteen toeility t
had been the greatest difficulty in obtaining the iosb,oll,4l'i
had been detained six or seven months front, istebrraee:i.s
complete her complement of men, and had theGol,eioria
j
He trusted that measures would be adopted b
tore r:.l
cons
to remedy an evil which must be attended d;erehe
consequences to the country. He believed thee priP but j,
small ships stationed at Liverpool, Nesvcastle,joey;,,ioptle;
other ports, for the purpose of supplying the denic,o L 4,4 °co
thought there was another mode which might a cr.' I'efj-
By an Act of the reign of Queen Anne, the evti see ii
poor were authorised to bind poor parish bOl5 cellelotr;'11;
to the merchant service. He thought that a verYeight ee,bs
lation, but might it not be carried still further ? tot the u's'e
seers of the poor be authorised to apprentice boys that
ai /evil',
service for four years, with a condition that atdettieil,• e 1 ld
should be transferred to a man-of-war for an ,3„euea":o
of three years, in order to complete their nevt'ei-ent-behad s
could yet see no objection to such an arta",'boy "'deed,
no. he stigmatised as pressing to take a pot, Erv, . it .`let
home, a:a ,nind him to a profession.—(Heare'9esoicilee'cesi";) •
maritime couni."v, depended entirely opon rfor the 'le tVte.
impossible, therefore to provide too eatefullY_cet eat
of the naval service.—( i!ear.) The Goverfhp'e „ver_arti.jo tee,
a little more attention to the Zlockyards 15 as f!'is
If, when a ship came into harboite; after nioclearac,ool.)
at sea, the seamen were employed its Or% of eroisil'. ;,15
Makers, &c., instead of giving that sPee le. (Avg feLala
persons totally unconnected with the he off
was certain it would have a wonderful enevi, to -fehic'eete Go'
to enter the service. There wes another e,'9d. a si4Y. the .0.
advert. At the end of the war pensions °le 14 yeall'oe ,1:00e
liberally a;lowed to seamen who had for feerteooti
roG
vernment of the day took away the Pen° eeeice orY to'
and it was now conferred to a period 0f:, LO
who aci
years. That certainly must be admitt
eun who frieas!e stioec
hardship. If they would give t° "reins be be i"eawilliall3
years' service a small pension, which that the O'ithey:og ;tee°
Mid of every succeeding five years, son
his
old age,. _ „ tfotooert
forward to somethinle like comfort.i. teetrWse,eil I
doing what was but eust, and wouirte
lisitujr 'lrbEn *of*
too
in the merchant serviee to enter the o -t.`tierat"o.o
subject to which he would :Ali the ee alas' 0400 os,
was one that required a great tild, It wroodielleof
meant pensions to officers for we eiotic, and rose
eto,
to eeeenellegseeibr's.,
the House that by the naval instruct
ese mejestyaileo pees.
order of the Queen in Council, h
hweattisneldf, thine
,rniegbaterfeifeekt:ingthii:genpjitirF.i'L:hn.:.i.r.p
sideration. The Admiralty, howevoew !_`;'tied Om; oc 5;04,
made a reg those w°!„0,1 that :f.'
if
ceive a penusliaotinofnordbitirwtinaug
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Sated him as much as would the re_ be shoLlld:ia'iatioo.b'ort.
eatemeitt which
his loads were not of such:lo;st,
mid ania!r_ith6s, leg :tee
Scar's pay. Vow that was e so as to otagethe „hov‘a
er by four inches, he Was .„_ ead &note
stop nt ht
ittioh, to a pension; ee,
as
en
on fig,o? 0
ih tensteettenee, shortened P." w
an of was wounded toentietr,
aCC?rdinigyt°broke°' :'OlO o'' 5
be entitled t° over that e /.0(1,;
ratriaosniliaosoafes
limb;
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rec.
eilit heel, 'would not
had
now gee, eye is th
400 ;I
(dear.) thought
lie
regard to his
e; opp.:(1,010
cessary for him to
sfi~
- ith tl4° H.:ll",,,ienthelwrPree °Cr'
Be particularly agreed:ad
taken .° not.' ebet4,o
the steps Which he But he did °well the F'stf: efeti
He would now make 11.
to:-aign nations, hecf what eethe
cthrieessteopfs thellßei
to the public, and to. in comequeneei 'manned. tot s'eteri
a good deal of cr"irg being irneroPfr Ythe eforl'i' bed ebter,
about the Britis and All the nations
that theYswor
tell the public,.o,l prevent, _ erottl 3,1 it! ~:v
• s maim UDC , ri? ref
'•g
uavY '1" • that scare. tj-CIP
Ives quiet on . eel he ef giVe
garh't coanr:aronet had tskee_le
wished ti. 0.0
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