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to take measures for the renewal of the treaty between
this country and Brazil, and also in favour of the im•
provement of the navigation of the river La Plata, in
South America.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. HUME said that he had fixed a motion for the
10th of June, but he now found that a motion had got
upon the paper, he knew not how, by which he was pre-
cluded.—(A laugh.) He should, therefore, fix the 17th.
The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Gentleman was
mistaken ; the rule only precluded him from giving a
notice within four days.
After a few words from Mr. T. DUNCOMBE,
Mr. HUME said he would give his notice to-morrow.
MERCHANT SEAMEN'S BILL.
The HON. MEMBER then presented a petition from
Montrose against clauses in the Merchant Seamen's Bill.
SANATORY MEASURES.
Lord DUNCAN begged to ask the Noble Lord oppo-
site (Lord Lincoln) whether he could state when the sana-
tory measures alluded to in her Majesty's speech would
be introduced to the House ?
Lord LINCOLN hoped that in a few days he would
be able to fix a day.
LAW CHANGES.
Mr. WATSON wished to ask the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman (Sir J. Graham) whether (as was rumoured) it
was intended to take one-half of the Northern Circuit
and add it to another ? He also wished to ask, whether
it was true that the Commissioners had been precluded
from going into the consideration of the appointment of
two additional judges in Westminster Hall ? The third
question was, whether the administration of justice re-
quired the alterations named, as he had heard no com-
plaints made ?
Sir J. GRAHAM said he was at a loss to answer the
first question, as he had heard nothing specific respect-
ing the subject. With respect to the second question,
the Comm!ssioners had not yet presented their report,
but he might inform the House that no such question as
the appointment of two judges had been referred to
them. Should the Government think two additional
judges necessary, they would appoint them without any
reference to the Commissioners. With regard to the
third question he was not prepared to give any definite
information at present.
Mr. ROEBUCK said the question which it was ne-
cessary for the Government to answer was, whether from
the pressure of business two additional judges were
necessary ?
Sir J. GRAHAM said he would take that opportunity
of stating that he was not prepared to say what course
Government intended to take respecting the appoint-
ment of additional judges.
Mr. MUNTZ inquired when the treaty between Eng-
land and Naples would be laid upon the table of the
House.
Sir R. PEEL said he could not tell at present.
Sir WALTER JAMES asked when the Government
intended to more the second reading of the Bill for
Academical Education in Ireland ?
Sir J. GRAHAM—On Friday next.
ROMAN CATHOLICS' RELIEF BILL.
Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the Hon. Member for Kin-
sale would postpone his Bill for the relief of Roman
Catholics, and that other Hon. Members who bad mo-
tions would withdraw them, and allow the adjourned
debate to be resumed.
Mr. WATSON was extremely anxious that the Bill
for the relief of the Roman Catholics should be read a
second time, though he would consent that the debate
upon it be adjourned.
Sir J. GRAHAM was friendly to the 'general prin-
ciple of the Bill, though opposed to particular parts of
it, especially to those provisions which referred to the
Act of 1829. He thought it would be more advisable
for the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to postpone the
second reading until the report of the Criminal Law
Commission was laid upon the table of the House.
This Report embraced not only the penalties upon Irish
Roman Catholics, but upon those in Great Britain and
Ireland; it was in every sense a larger and more com-
prehensive measure than that which the Hon. and
learned Member introduced.
After some discussion the Bill was read a second
time, and committed to this day fortnight.
COUNTY CORONERS' BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.
OANAL COMPANIES' (IRELAND) BILL.
The Report upon this Bill was brought up and laid
on the table.
CANAL COMPANIES CARRIERS' BILL.
The report of this Bill was brought up and received.
MALT DRAWBACK BILL.

Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN regretted that he fe,
obliged to persevere in calling upon the House to for•
ward this Bill through the stage of a second reading,
and so reluctantly act in opposition to the wishes of :the
Noble Lord. The Noble Lord's resolutions were, how-
ever, vague and visionary, whereas the measure he ad-
vocated 'was real and practical. He hoped, therefore, the
Government would either allow the second reading of
the Bill, or give a definite promise to bring forward a
measure which would meet the difficulties at present ex-
isting.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CA.RDWELL admitted the practical nature of
the measure, but assured the House that the objections
to it were equally practical. The Government, think-
ing it respectful to the Hon. Member who had intro-
&teed the Bill, as well as due to the importance of the
subject, to institute a careful inquiry into its propo-
sitions, had taken the opinion of some of the most emi-
nent chemists on the possibility of meeting and con-
sulting them. Professor Faraday, in a letter to the
Board of Trade, had stated that ao process was known
for rendering malt unfit for distillation and yet suitable
for feeding cattle. Pt °Pewter, Graham and Liebig bad
given similar opinions, and acting upon those, and the
belief that the present Bill went virtually to the repeal
of the malt tax, he must, though reluctantly, give it a de-
cided negative.
?4r.MILES suggested that, pending a more favour-
able opportunity, the Hon. Member for Northampton
should withdraw his proposition. A more fitting season
would, he felt assured, arrive, when its success would be
less doubtful, and its effects more beneficial.
Lord HO WICK, while urging the withdrawal of the
present motion, advised the introduction of Egyptian
beans and Indian corn, duty free, considering them as
articles of great comparative superiority in feeding cattle.
Mr. ESCOTT deprecated the present as one of a
series of spurious measures for conciliating the farmers,
which, however, he believed they were not blind enough
to be duped by.
Mr. CURTEIS, while recommending that the mea-
sure should not be pressed, as he considered it still in
abeyance, would, nevertheless, if pressed, give it his cor-
dial support.
Mr. HUME trusted that the Hon. Member, after the
fair explanation of the Vice-President of the Board of
Trade, would not persist in his motion. He concurred
with his Noble Friend the Member for Sunderland, that
the introduction of Egyptian beans, and Indian corn,
duty free, would be far more beneficial than the meae
sure new so strenuously advocated.
Sir B. PEEL said he would agree with the Hon.
Member for Sussex in recommending the postpone-.
meat of this Bill. His Hon. Friend had said he would
have the positive decision of the House on the second
reading, either for the measure or against it. He would.
recommend his Hon. Friend to withdraw the Bill alto;
gether or to postpone it. Without meaning to depreciate
from the authorities that had been adduced by different
Hon. Gentlemen, as to the advisability of feeding cattle,
on malt, he must say that the opinions of Professors
Liebig and Faraday, who very much doubted whether
any advantage would result from so feeding cattle, had a
very considerable influence with him. And even if there
were advantages to be derived, there were:other reasons,
that would not render it advisable to pass the Bill. The;
present opinion of the Government was decidedly unfia-.
veurable to it, as they considered it was calculated to
lead to defrauding the Excise. He thought it only pro- ,
per to state that opinion at once.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that during the time the
late Government were in office, the present Duke of
Bedford wished very much to promote a measure similar
to the one proposed, and requested him to inquire from the
Excise-office whether such a measure could be had with-
out danger. The question had been examined into by
the present Government, and, after making every in-
quiry, they had come to the same resolution as the pre-
vious Ministry, that the measure would tend to defraud
and not benefit the agriculturist. The Hon. Gentleman
who moved this Bill considered it not only necessary to
say that he thought the Bill was of great importance,
but also to make an attack on the motion he had sub-
mitted to the House last night. He went quite out of
the wey to make that attack. He had said there would
be a slur cast on the Government if those resolutions
were carried, and another alteration in the corn-laws
would be necessary. The Noble Lord thought a slur
would be cast on the Government if the proposed Bill
passed. and said if the Hon. Gentleman thought the Bill
was of sufficient importance to move it, he was quite
justified in moving it.
Mr. BUCK observed that he would protest against
the measure. land recommended that under the circum-
stances the Bill should be withdrawn.
Lord WORSLEY remarked that it had been stated
in the House tlgat Professor Faraday had said malt was
not good food 'far cattle, but to his own knowledge, a
friend of his had fed• cattle with malt and they had
thriven on it. He felt sure the Hon. Member for Nor-
thamptonshire deserved the thanks of all for good inten-
tions, and would recommend him to consider whether it
would not be prudent to bring forward at some future
period a measure for the total repeal of the law.
_ Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN said he thought it would
advisable to give way at once. He proposed the
mGoeallere thinking that it would not inconvenience Hon.
Gentlemen. It was not for him to pronounce a sen-
tence on the Government if they were censurable. As
the law at presmenatlt.s.,t‘onodththine farmer might do anything
but kiln or dry
He would wi%letsso bthae .nfthat he was com-
petent to do. cformed definitely
fgthtt that
what was the boundary to which the
There were many of them who v..erneniernsormani
they might proceed so far in themalt
without being exposed to a visit from the manufacture
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bad consulted two practical farmers whose opiniolse. He
to prove that malt was excellent when used as fnood s
for
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cattle. Professor Faraday had been quoted as an authority
against malt being employed for such a purpose ; but he
would say to the Government that if they would consult
professors less and farmers more their conduct would give
mere satisfaction to the people.
THE CONDITION OF THE PEOPLE.—THE
ADJOURNED DEBATE.