The Sun.
London, England, 1816-03-29 00:00:00

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corn
.trenle. The :king comlottaitee;pt, war bed
, trecessefily raised, lit a very high degrtt; the Ptiee
of corn—the depredation wlikh the peace oece-
slotted Was tendered still Mere fel to the inle-
rest of the farmers, because it had induced the
country banks, tpavithdra,w -their snpport. The
:circulating mediOnt (which many (eotletuen sop-
, posed to be, at one tittle, cotisiderably too great—
a position, however, t 1.2, truth of w hieh tic very
' much doubted) ;As, in coionnenutee, reduced to 'a
-degree that had, he conceived, been productive of
otenv.ill effects. He saw tlos.countty fertile and
populous—he saw it pOsexssing, within itself, all
'the means of prosperit and happiness—nothing
appeared to hine to be wanting 'to the comple-
tion of its welfare, but to 511 M out the foreign
farmer from mil' market in time of peace. ' This
country r mild' not look to' an efficient POreign sup-
ply in time of war--:tail even a sinall importa-
tion, in time of peace,Aestr•-•yed the'in which
the home-grower expected . would atfordliim a
!roper' remuneration. Ns to a grata of Exche-
titter Hills, .lie was by no means friendly to it.—
There was nbundant capital in the Coinstry, and
if it were not voluntarily offered in suppoit of the
atericulteral interest, it would be nseless for the
Covereinont to give the species Of relief Which the
Hon.'Gentletnat. recommeoded.
Sir .lo:fNi NEwt'OnT said, that though we bad
come out of the War inoSt triumphantly, yet he
believed under borden3incaleulable.' These bur
dens hove most on one nartien'ho class of the
community,. so that it became vile ditty of ilk
Motile to situ/tort t)te agricaoral'interest, or the
country woold: ber ruined. The distress of the
agricultural interest prtetneed the wOtst' eon-
Seto-lent:es to the manufacturing interest, by de-
priving it of the, home ituirk et , ',c.f.i. h Was the
most valuable,, as in the fOreigo neo Let they
were at the mercy of foreign nations. 'Pie
only effectnal remedy then was, to iepose a •
countervailing dot y on the importation of toreign
corn, so as to put theßritish ,l-grieulturZ•e, who
laboured under a most het% y itiNittimi. at least CM
a level with the forei!ot grower, who was not so
herdeeed. Alihotn2ll t.IC ~.re,d :n principtt with
the, Honourable 11f• tuber to. f', ,-ex (Mr: Weitern),
yet there were some parts of the ilesOlittion to
-.which ha rid,' not agree; There were certain
parts of the ,ohjert to wide!, the I-Ifeise could pro-
ceed without the' intervention of 11:e Comanittee.
This was especially' 'the ease with.relfeet to the
article, of vector, in which relief Win, esfteially
wanted, be-ause if this relief wits delayed, even a
little while longer, it would' he too late;
[Lord
.Elmley,Mr..,Methiten, and Air. W. H.
, Lyttleton, here entered into 'some unimportant
explanation its to what passed, on the part of the
Member for, Wiltshire, during his absence, re-
specting a Petttien eghinst the military establish 7
noott, and, for' economy, presented-by the Noble
Lord, at a time when there were hitt about half
a dozen Members in the lif•-.se.] ' I
' Mr; Pest. said it'vvits not his intention to''t6o into
the general griestion. ' 'Whatever were the caeses
which led to the dent'ession. of agriculture in En e-
land, these eaese.s Operated with a greatly in -
,ereased force in Ireland. The ..itoprovenrents to-
Which an extended demand had .given rise in that
country were. more rapid its their operatibn than •
iu this, and the iehaege produced by the wita-
drawini: of that ch mato', on the change from war
to peace, had nt coesequence been more 'severely
felt., All the evils of 3, diminished eirenlafion had
also been leer in a greater extent in Felatutthan in
Eiteland,' 13.11 while the distress of the aer:enith- •
rist of Ireland exceeded those of Ow English egt i•
culturists, they would enjoy less relief frOni the plo- '
posed remission of texittion The rytniqiiiin cif the
Income'.' ax anti the War Malt Tex, amounting to.
gether to 27 ni,illions, enitstititted 'One-fOorth of
the whole sum annually erised'in England ; but
the remission-of the Nlait Tax in Ireland would
only relieve the people of that country from be- •
tweetr 3 and 400,0001. or about one-eighteenth of
taxation. We were..: bound ,toYafford Ireland a
protection foe her oat mai prodnee It was not a
tnannfaePiring ,eonntty, not .a country suited for
manufactures; arid with the exception of the
'stable mannfeettire of 'the north, the eceepatiim of
the inhabitents wrlS.agrieultitre, ..Nee bing would
operate With more.immediate effect on Ow wotais:
and, ItAillt of the people of, that court!). than tite
enlarging: the means of employment, reealling
them. from irdeness, and ma%ine it
.their interest
to he industrious. It was aviih s,nisfact ion,. tilers',
fore, that he badheard a Iti!.!lit Hutt. Centlettem
give notice of a teotitm to elhod protection to the
nott.et' of Ireland* 'Flue House were not aware
of the Importance of that .artixle:_it was the
gremt,est.,hl the whole list of Irish exports, with
thse.exception of Intel), 'it hd.possibly of Corn; in
18.1;7e, it amounted to ff1,01)01. or about one se-
venth pelt of the whole ix fewetiott. in the year
ending Jantwy 160, the iitittcr imported from
foreigo 'counties into the port
,of London. did
Sin tonoont to ince., than one sixth part: of the
trantity,imported l:i oat Irelond, while in the year
ending Jannary. ISI 0, it amounted to nearly one
half. 'Otis wpoiti tit pact• sliest' the immense ex-
tent of the injury suffered by the agrienkture of
Ireland front foreign iteportation,
.•,Mr.Rotkiaonet,thoegin- most, if not all., the,pro-
poOtions of the Hon. Gcntlernan liable to great
objections. The a- gricUlturer interest was even
'noisr in a situation diffet cur front that'in which it
was at the time the Hon. Memher for Essex. gave
notice ofiiis Resolutions. Since thenitbe Income
.Tax antitile Milt Tax had been taken yir, nod
though his:opinion of the former, as a measore of •
'i.e%'elltre; remained utialtered, yet' in 'so far egri-
culture had 'had' a ' most soimantial relief. tfe
'objeeted to the plan of a loan of Exchequer Ellis,
'as well as to that Of werehousing e, for if there
\were no other objection to them; it was sufficient
with him to feel that such plans could have no .
praetit'allybesetielalOpersititin. Granting bounties,
too, was a proposition, with .which he -could' not
acquit:see; fori:he did not think that any interest
could be supported• by bounties which- could not
stand without them. Nor Wks he less adverse to
the system of prohibitory ditties, to obtain which
there bad. not Inca .a stogie branch of industry
winch had nett•applied to prevail upon bin) to be-
come itistiumental in hisollicialcapecity. He could
not possibly conceive how this country could adopt
i
a general syst cp.' of, prohibition, w thout ail the is
consequences of thatsytteal of eouttneutal exeln. ,

; otn,-et
of this country to gnaril. .Prolliiiitiou and pro-
tetion were ditrerent ; ;iod the point was,
what would be one without the other.: In the last
year the corn question formed a patticulat
which took it out of the' genertil princiPV; but
peohio it ions told.; never he good per se.7 The
cumstances of Ireland;with respect to hotter, he
was, inclined to think, took it out of the general
As to prohibitory' dirties •on tallow and
hideS; it should be considered'th3t those articles
alre4dY hose considerable duties, and r hat they
were the exchange produce in a great and
imporlunt trade with Smith Awn it 1, It would
be the height of impolicy to cut Ott the branch
of commerce. Besides, oi jections had been ex-
pressed from di:re:an-a parts of the country to the
existing Thiry 61) leather, :and prohibitory dirties
on bides wr.nhl hive the itninediate effect of add-
iiyt; iii the Hee of that article, both to rite gene,'
consemer and the tanner himself. Prohibi-
tory duo let ow fOreign wool and rapesee4 would
affect the woollen manufacture, in advancing the
price of the raw iriterial and of oil. These were
the sort of objettions' he felt in goitig., any length
upon the system: of -prohibitions. \Ve hart. already
gone far enungh, ile'did not know how we were
to get out of it, -but. he was sure we ought to be
cautious how we went further. With the in-
terest he tilt for agriculture, these were the rea-
sons, wliv, in his official situation, he had not
been, ready to appear forward with some' propo-
sitiOos in its behalf', He Must bow to the supe-
rior wisdom of the HouSe, but he was bound to
state the difficulties which ha' occurred to Mill,'
titifl which he did net think could he obviated.
Afr. BA nit ANt thought that not nil!), a duty
liear! prohibitory, should he laid on the importa-
tion, of loteigu
,coro ; but he would have an abso-
lute prohihition, excepting in very ilictuenle.e,u,es.
lle entirely agreed with his Ilon. Friend
Western), as to the Warehousing system which
he peopoetl.
.11.4.-Fu,NNKLAND Lam's entreated the !louse
not to lose, sight , of the great interest now at
stake—it was not the interest of this or that ma-
nufacture, but of that which constituted England,
itself. He should not enlarge on the present
distress, whieli was sufficiently knOwit bothlwitli
ill'and without doors ; but it was of importance to
consider whether or uot it was posiblc to preient
the landholders
.from being reilaeed to a different
condition (rota that which they bad hitherto
maintained.: Wi'li then would perish the best
guardians of the Constitution ; and though the'
island would tint be sunk in the ocean, though the
pOptiltition would still exist miller some form or
oilier, vet those principles, and that condition and
,frame of society tor which England Was so long
ailrniresl, would go•down with the landholder:.—
Ile had listened with, the utmost anxiety, in the
hope of healing some official opinion as to a re-
atedy. for, the present , state of the circulation,—
'Twenty per cent, of the depreciation in the value,
ref time ,ierietriturat produce was owing to that cause
alcirtenmething shonhilie done to prevent us
front continuing the 'sport of t he 'present dangerous
svitern he believed it would' be found that we
hard conic neat I,'• to the extreme of' funding, horn w+
ing; Mid spending. 'ln proceeding• tti consider a
remedy for the present state of-things;two modes
sOggested themselves :—The one most acceptable
to liinwas, that of,bringing every thing,down to
the present low rate of corn—the other was, that
of hrin,gitrg every thing up. 'lf thiogs., were left
to themselves, it , was true that the price. of corn
wanid soon affect that of all other cointtiodities,
list it conld not affect the taxation, Some re-
ilief should he •atl'orded upon' this head, and he
tbought that the eitpenses proposed to meet the
exigencies of the State, would adniit of some
reduction, which he_ hoped would take' adace.,--
''' person hem d with greater pleasure than he.did,
the intention of the Chatteelltir of die 'E\ ebeeuer,
to take off the.war duties upotinialt. it wo one
of the greatest reliefsahat could be afforded to the
ry2,Tieuttoral interests at tile, present ntottictut,---
lie undeustooll that adrawbaek wits to he :dlow.
col, hoped it wonlil he so extended ,ilia zkf•
.Icet all bi.etver-5, and nut merely those who brew-
ed l'Or sale. There were other duties that pressed
on land, which, 'he thought, sub.
jeeted to some Motlifidation. He apical red, its
the opinhm that 'prohibitory ditties should.' if
possible; ba avoided. The proprietors of land
Were -slow, in following the- example of 'the
inaiinfacturers ; they aid riot, clatnotir ..the
doors .0f ,the Board Of 'Trade; and, it was 'an
indisputable tacr, that all,the relief which was Tx.*
tended to the importunities of the former were ob-
tained at the expense of the landholders. Bust
though he concurred in depreenting dtifieS of firo.'
hibition. he thungitt-'• it lviiilltl be.wrorigAtrreject
sa,all dirties for the parprSits-Of•srevetturr without
fair CX11111.1ilal:oll. Tilt first and most' obvious
of these referred, to the article' at Wool. Thii
article was snore ciingenlal to our elitn,ire
than, either silk or cotton,. yet' the -e - was
tax on the itripOrtation of both those articles.
Ile therefore conceived that a 8,011 ditty of
thl. or Is. in the'poinicl on' the importation of
'foreign wool, would etc nincli less obnoxiousthata
the tax on horses "eulploylul ih agrieniture, which
would operate directly against theintluitq
ul' the
Country. lie disapprovril nitogether of the pro-
ject Ot a loan to the agriculturists, and thought
it would be much better to remit hixatiou to, the
same extent than tee tithe the tooncy out of the
piaci:eta -Of • the people, Besides tie tOniP faint
was, that the Inuit :Es ennid tio't pay tiny thing—
how, then, could they'be expected to' pay the 5
:per cent% interest objected to a bounty on
the ituportutiort of corn, Hill thougbt titnt July
Commutation of tithes- wotild be attended. with
great disadvantage and londShip.' Aftee Some ob-
seeyationS on the _Poor Lates° (in which the Hots.'
Pentienian routendea that they Were nomi
itilrni
'll.lSterinq heyohil original'Act of Parliament,) •
he Conel tnie!C h proposing tivti ResOliitions •
lat!y, That' it SiouLt exprifiefot to 'all,ov the txpottatiott
erf ,Rout duty frvet soul slats, t hat wool .shouht t,4 cpnvey,ll
tt:roatlY ur cootrys isl iota tt tnatker: Unr,persotts coo-
conmi slit!) ocinvetatw.v. hoogiir '
'idly, That the i•oit'ird.'4)4;of tiiink to should bs ptunitted
tindsn sothuttida-eiti'kt low, as Limy.. " deouvd'
Whi3tvitt v.'4tht hilercst at theittyClltlO. „. .
ne cilAtwm.i,il.ubietve-i!, that there was already
a Resohitioo
.belore the Comtniitee„ whieli mast
be disposed of before the Hon. gembe*r's Resolu-
tions could, he put,
TLit Citk;(,':ELLOII of ilteExcitc4mt obset.veci,

unit
,trom Itlt tatetleS t9t the debate 1:1-t. d
thol,ls tit provose that tlit:
Shouic report progress, and aFik le.ivt: tc, ,it
The proposition 4k9S Agreed to; the 110 the
Sinned, and the• Committee was-ordered to hit
again on Thesday tie)(t.
The of her ()triers of the Day were then di4p(nirci
of, and the House acijourued 'at balf-paSt twelve
o'clock.