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dress the House on the subject. Such being the case he would
move that the Chairman. report progress and ask leave to sit

again,
Mr. G u.EENE having put the question,
Sir W. JOLLIFFE could assure the Right Hon. Gentle-
man that lee was not actuated by any wi,h to defeat the Bill.
lie believed in asking the'House to expunge the clause he did
great service to the mmure. If the clause was postponed
he should be satisfied.
Lord STANLEY thought the clause was a most proper one,
and ought to be continued in the Bill.
After a shot discuss.on, in which Sir T. Wilde, in opposi-
tion to the clause, and Mr. Wallace, Mr. Gladstone, and some
other Hon. Members in favour of it, took part.
Clpta:n BERKELEY. said, that he would withOraw his
motion, if the lion. Gentleman opposite (Sir W. Jolliffe),
would persevere in dividing the Committee upon the clause.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE stated that he would persevere in his
motion.
Capt. BERKELEY then withdrew his amendment, and the
Committee divided, when there appeared—
For the clause
Against it
Majority against the clause
Mr. P. 'HOWARD objected to the enormous expense that
would be entailed on Railway Companies, if they had to post a
policeman at every gate along a line. For instance, thcp Carlisle
and Newcastle, Railway went through many miles &f desolate
Moor, arid if they had to pat a policeman at every gate on each
thoroughfare on it, the exper.se would be incalculable—the
police would have nothing to do, and therefore they wou'd
fall asleep and get drunk.—( Great laughter. )
An HON. GENTLEMAN said it would be sufficient to have
each gate doubly locked, and a key to be in the hands of the
Company and the farmer; but an officer might be present
wherevir he was wanted.

On clause 14 being proposed,
Sir W. JOLLI FFE hoped some days' notice would be given
to owners of land before a Company occupied it.
Mr. GL ADS TONE thought security enough was provided
already.
Mr. EGERTON hoped owners of land would be enabled by
the Bill to get money awarded to them sooner than they did at
present from Companies.
Mr. LABOUCHERE objected that a Railway Company
should be the judges of what land they were to occupy. They
should have the authority of the Board of Trade first.
Mr. EWART thought that occasions might arise in which
the, public safety might be endangered by any delay, and,
therefore, he thought the Railway Con pauies ought to have
the poxer of taking immediate possession.
Sir R. PEEL suggested that, in all eases in which the Com-
pany should be of opinion that there was no prQssing necessity,
and that there would Ins time to apply to the Board of Trade on
the subject, they should obtain the consent of the Board of Trade
before taking possession of the land ; but if the Company should
be of opinion that there was a pressing necessity, then they
might enter upon their own responsibility, cntifying immedi-
ately to the board of Trade that they. had so entered, and if
the Board of Trade should be s,f opinion that no pressing • ne-
cessity existed, then no doubt that circumstances would be con-
sidered in awarding compensation.
Sir THOMAS WILDE suprested, that in cases of pressing
necessity, application might be made to two Magistrates for
permission to enter. He thought there could scarcely ever arise
a necessity so pressing as to occasion serious inconvenience by
the delay of a few hours, which would be the utmost delay that
could take place.
Sir R. PEEL said, that would be throwing the responsibility
on the Magistrates.
Sir T. WILDE thought the Magistrates would not decide
that the Company should enter, unless strong cause could be
shown.

Mr. GLADSTONE said, that in some cases a delay of even
a few hours might lead to a dangerous result.
Mr. R. PALMER thought the clause gave too great power
to Railway Companies.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE suggested that some means should be
devised for enforcing speedy payment of compensation, in
cases in which it might be granted.
Sir T. WILDE said that the object might be attained by
giving parties the power, as soon as a verdict of compensation
should be returned, of entering up judgment in the Superior
Courts.
After some further discussion, the clause was struck out, and
clause 16 was proposed.
A short desultory conversation ensued in which the Attor-
ney.. General, Mr. Evart, Sir Thomas Wild; Mr. Labouchere,
and others took part.
Mr. GLADSTONE said he thought it best to withdraw
the clause.—The clause was withdrawn.
Clauses 17 to 20 were then agreed to.
On clause 21 being proposed,
Mr. HARDY moved the insertion of the following clauses—
" Arid whe►eas many fatal r.ecidents have happened in con-
sequence of carriages containing passengers on railways being
placed n..xt or near to the engine drawing such carriages ;
now be it enacted, that whenever there shall be a train com-
prising carriages with passengers therein, such carriages shall
be so placed in such train that the first of them stall be sepa-
rated from the tender of the engine drawing the train, by two
or more carriages not containing any passenger therein, and by
a space of not less than feet between every such
tender and the first carriage having any passenger therein.
" And be it enacted, that in no case shall two engines be used
at the same time in drawing one and the same train of car-
riages containing passengers; and where the number of such
carriages shall be too large for the power of one engine, the
same shall be divided into two or more trains, drawn by dis-
tinct engines, and with such intervals between each train as
the Directors shall think Est for the safely of the passengers
travelling thereby.
" And be it enacted, that in no case shall any train, with ear-
' riages containing passengers in whole or in part, be propeiled
by having the engine in the rear of such train.
Mr. RUSSELL said, if two carriages were placed as pro-
posed by the Hon. Member, they must be either heavy or light,
if they were light, it would much increase the danger—
( Hear)—if they were to be heavy, :it would oblige every train
to carry, at least, sixteen tons of dead weight. This would re-
quire the separation of the train, and the arrangements for this
purpose Would also tend to increase danger. He objected to
legislating on such matters of practical detail.
Mr. GLADSTONE also objected to the clause, as tending
rather to increase danger than diminish it.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN thought that, though there might be an
objection to legislating on pract'cal details, vet that some provi-
sion aught to be made for increasing the responsibi►ity of Rail-
road Directors in case of accident.. He thought a power
might be given to Juries in such cases to make awards of com-
pensation to the sufferers.
Air. EWA Wl' also thought the law in this respect was ano-
malous, as in vases of the loss of a limb the compensation went
to the sufferer, while in cases of the loss of life, the deodarid went
to the Crown, instead of to the relatives of the individual.
Mr. HARDY, after a few observations, withdrew the clause.
Mr. BROTHE tITON moved that the Chairman report
progress and ask leave to sit again.
Mr. GLADSTONE trusted the Hon. Member would not
persevere in that motion, as there was nothing more that would
take time,

Mr. H-ODGSON ItINDE moved the insertion of the fol-
lowing clause :

•
" And whereas, by various Acts relating to Railways, it is
provided that the Companies shall cause to be painted on boards,
and to be affixed, and continued and renewed as often as the
same shall be obliterated or defaced, to or upon every toll-house
or building at which any rates or tolls shall be collected or re-
ceived, in some conspicuous place, in large and legible charac-
ters, sn account or list of the several rates and tolls which the
said Companies shall from time to time direct and appoint to be
taken ; and whereas it is for the public convenience that the said
list of rates and tolls should be printed and affixed within every
statisn-house,or other place where such rates and tolls shall be pay-
able; be it enacted, that it may be lawful for any Railway Company
toaffix such printed list of rates and tolls in a conspicuous situa-
tion within every station-house or other building where such
rates or tolls are collected, instead of affixing such boards,
painted as aforesaid ; and that such Company shall be held to
have complied with the provision of the said Acts as effectually
as if the said table of rates and tolls had been painted on boards
and affixed to such toll-house or building ; and that such rates
or tolls shall be payable, and may be demanded and taken
during the time in which such printed lists are affixed as afore-
said, in the same manner as they are authorised to be demanded
and taken during the time that such boards shall remain so
affixed."

Mr. GLADSTONE had no objection to the clause, but he
thcoght it was altogether foreign to the purpose.
After a few observations from Mr. flinde, the clause was
agreed to.

—The gallery was then cleared, but no division took place.
Mr. BROTHERTUN'S motion, "that the Chairman re-
port progress" having been agre.Rl to,
The House then adjourned at a Quarter past One o'Clock.