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After you left Tunis dici..l3esgami ..sleep in the same place,
or in ally otter part 'Of the veSsal"?=His bed sk•ets renoved
into the dining on the right side of it.
Was.the right hand side Of the dining cabin nearer or farther
Irons. tbePrineels-'S ihe ''oliainher of the Princess
Was on the right also, and they both came into the dining
t"tn, it must hare beers nearer, as they were both on the
same side.
'Whereabouts was tbe door leading to the Princess's bed
;fl:inoinnsg;firisi:se, m
iaioni of the Princess had a door leading into the
and one that had a comunithstion nith the
nom of the dame d'honneur.
Ask if the door was inside the Princess's chamber ?—The
chamber of the Princess was divided into two, one division
of which belonged to the Princess, the other to the dame
nneur.
Ask when Bergatni's bed was ternoved to the dining room ;
!I'm far it was from thedoor which led to the Princess's din-
-5t5 "6"na ?—The room of the Princess had,a wooden partition
'die% divided it from the rest of the ship; on the other side
Zts,the coop of the ship; !sear the cabin; on the left, was
e hest of the princess ; near the middle of the partition was
the door of the Princess's chamber into the dining room, and
‘'n the right hand of the dining room, at a certain distance,
Was the bed room of I3ergaini.
bed if the doors were open, if a person in the Princess's
Might see a-person in the bed of Bergami ?•----Why not ?.
the situation of the beds was such that 'they could not help
4,eing both together ; but a person who stood upright could
place himself in a situation not to see, hut certainly the bed
-e,.11. might see the bed of the Princess.
"Vire there not two doors ?—After the ship sailed from
tiniS one door was closed, nailed up.
"ter that was there one or more entrances into the dining
loom out of that passage ?—There was the other door.
Where did you go to from Tunis?—'l'o Malta.
And thence where ?—To the Island of Milo, and after much
3"yage to St. 'Jean d'Acre ; after that the Princess went to
rusalem, the holy city.
Ask if heto actompanied the'Princess on that voyage to
?--He did.
Ask whether during that journey they travelled by night
"."tiY day?—'The whole night and part of the day; that part
' ell it because too hot to travel' they stopped to rest them-
when they rested theinselVeS by day, any tents were
"'cleft ?—Not always; for at Naiareth they lodged in a pri-
.vaie house ; at a little distance from Jerusalem they pitched
it lent, •
110 e-s he •know in which of the, tents Bergami rested ?
,i 1 here the tents were placed they dines! also; in one of them
Princess dined and in this tent there was ais iron bed-
l'ie4d, and upon it" nailece of matting. There dined in this
ha; Countess Oldi, Mr. Austin, and Dergami, and when they
I,(lane, lie went to dine himself. •
titi."'s lie hnow whet e these different persons rested after
';" Princess's tent he knew, but not the others,
e went to dine himself.
Nl° You know Where Berganti slept ?
Ipein neriinan interposed to object to any further question
Init to the witness on this 'point, as lie acknowledged
1; Ile was not in situatiou to know.
to Attrirney,General maintained that the question was
rfeeit
\, • 1 regular.
Denitiair--I don't object to the question itself, hut I
I;e'iLect toiti being put after the answer' he has just given, for
at, "4' Placed liiinself in a situation not to know any thing
out wi,. is asked him. •
the he objection was over-ruled by the Lord Chancellor, and
witness was called upon to repeat Isis answer.
positively caa't know, because I left them, and went to
tokh r. Penman—Now f object to anything further; for this is
kri-olPiele- We must only have what lie can say from his own
~,Wledge—notbing from imagination.
t 4"e Attorney-General—We ought to know the whole an-
but he is stopped half way.
no! he Lord Chancellor decided that the interpreter' could
n, "slopped till it appeared that the witness spoke from his
,it?Sination, and not trout his knowledge. That which wit-
ai,'s imagined could not be stated, and the interpreter was
I "ted Sc, notify to the witness that he could only be al-
('"„v d to speak of that which he knew.
tent a witness ever see Bergami reposing under any other
the witness ever present at a church there any par-
-',U,rar ceremony ?—I was.
Was the Princess there ?—She was.
".What was the Ceremony ?—Witness described several of
ofMajesty's suite to have been made Knights of the Order
erea witness remember while at Jerusalem that any other
)4‘):l".er was given to Bergami?—He did not recollect any
ill! he was at Jerusalem.
tePiti witness remain with the Princess at Jerusalem, or did
ItoyraetiZibefore, her to Jaffa ?—I went to Jaffa before her
Did
She 14, loess.
.embark at Jaffa on board the same ship ?—Sbe

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theft left Jerusalem was any tent erected on board of.
w • rh ere was.
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Was the tent closed at night ?—lt was.
as Oily sofa or bed placed under that'tent ?—There were
'cif -re was a sofa and a small bed, the same that her Royal
1.1 'ness always travelled with.
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will were
Litt
bit
dit of ro uomnder
to p thatas .rent?—They made an
" le b . a
4o witness keen in that tent at night I have.
ga:" was in it while he was there ? I•he Princess, Ber.
IV, and some other person.
nut .on know who remained its it during the night ?—I do
tei "uw who retrained in it ,during the Banerti Is the
A.4:.t.slttee was a
thereforconunicatii.n liiiedlniww,takialow„hether the ser-
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sremained
he seen the tent raised ine:thetematoratti;:ga ?—Yes. .
it was raised in
sfiel'al he seen any body under t
104'14i11.,.'•—1 have "seen Bergaim alt the bed.
-;nert • was „n the ed., how was dressed ?—He
lowirddnrsesss and.above Grecian
.capote.
,wai that ?—A beltutiful morning
ad with large sleeves.
witness' known the tent closed during the day ?—I have.
how long?—For a little time.: ha
Wh—
day ) was under the tent when it was closed during the
•' • the Princess, Bergami; and some person who assisted
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el"tog it.
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I It., that person remain under itiortc,ome out ?—Many times
'le seen the party come out, bn •at..Lother times I do not
uwwhether he had come out or the Lady.
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th,s she know by whose directions the
,terit:Wsoanswctliousleeds on
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t'll:',:e.4ce"eslsi°e',lsl?)---utSaTesi•eatyismbeys obtyie (oaf nliteeira,Boyal Highness's
j„"as witness seen her Royal Highness and Bergami walk-
ton deck ?-1 have.
?—Arm in arm.
witness been on deck when they
.were walking ?-1
• ft. lit what situation hula he seen them then ?—ln several dif;
,24rent sitnations. I have seen them seated ?to,a.ags"an ;arm
small
• ituati.e behind the back of the other, because
aatall sometimes Bergsir i was seen stretchedrn: his back nn his
L
„ ,led, and the Princess near him sitting
forward ; bet
Were- half f happened the Captain' usually. sent me away, as we
do4latives.
as) Witnessre seen the Prince's's and Bergami in otter situa-;
In have. •
seen
Miat situations he seen them ?—Sometimes I hawe ihe.„,nr.ergatui sitting on 'a e
bench near to inmast, with
stock 14eess- on his lap or thigh,. her arlnlit•bne'ilig round his
1.114 or
shoulder:
b.aeicst was Bergatri• arm placed then ?.—lt was
,behindroutnhde
'hes,-`,_,the Princess, and the arm of the Princess was
lket„,c4 of Bergami.
thett„,ess has 'stated that there was a sofa and a bed under
pas 4;4.1' does he know where the bed was taken front
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441ironedsteail, and -that with tine bed had come
Ike With the luggage.
Witn,,
s he know where. that bed was previously placed ?
fr,,lt'ss described the bed, and staled it to have. beein, taken
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tielioZtrg the luggage, with which it had previous
liesei`4.latlC, 'le remember on the voyage the celebration of St.
I)i,icl•umew's day, the ./4111 August do.
."""43 thing particular occur on hoard the ship.thatid,aty.m?
eerailirmg that 'dav there •vais general mirth nn brim d.
4" ill'g'.dishes were ',treed with lights in them, so as. tos make
were
Rive, uttnination all over the ibip, and all the sad.ord.anced,
`"Ld e'ro,,l'iriuk, by orde,•o( Iterganii.. All the.. crew ,
.•crop
Lon t holontew, the Princess, and the "Mier g live Bar
Whet
~rder s
Bergami came on board at Jaffa, did he we
pcarartily.
cos`'
)"t that of St. Sepulchre ?-Several persons of the
"te wore another order.
Was that order called ?—Th.e order of St. Caroline.
Do Cross-eXantined by MT...DENMAN.
lien,„l;>`Bmember who had the orders that you have men-
~~tlterc had them .Austin, Dr. Holland, Camera, and
tNlt gut lio,(! not all who had been at Jerusalem with her Royal
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that
M order ?Not all, but only six or sewed persons
ave entioned.

Wltness it t't NeapMltan by hiErth, wht4.e does he live now .
I am of Messina, heatise my father is fixed at Messina.
What is his businesi or trade ?—He is_ first Pilot in the
Royal Nary of Naples. He has the rank of an Officer.
I suppose witness is ndt married himself am not.
Has witness always gone by the sanie name ?—Yes, cer-
tainly; I never chan4ed my name.
Was his name well known on board the ship he speaks of?
certainly, to all the crew, who knew me to be the Pilot.
How many did the crew consist of ?—We had twenty-two iii
the whole. .
Were they all , constantly employed in the management of
the ship ?—The crew were employed both in mancearring the
ship, and in waiting On her Royal Highness, as 1 was myself.
Have you seen any of them lately ?—Yes.
Within a wee4?-1 hare seen the Captain. .
What is his name ?—Vincentia Conjuno.
Have ya a seen no other person of the crew within the bit
week ?—No.
Have you within the last half year?-,-Two months ago', I
saw a sailor.

What•was the name of the sailor, that witness bad seen
within the last three months ?—Filncisco Cawpeon.
Where did you see him ?—At•Nhessina. - •
The gun, that witness has spoken ot, was it on deck ?—On
deck.. •

Was the bench on deck ?—There was on the deck a trap
door, and the bench was over that door.
Had you access to all parts of the deck at alt times?—As
soon as the tent was closed, nobody could pass or go by the
tent, but in all other parts of the ship he could go. •
Was witness ever at Milan ?—Yes; now on the way here.
Did witness come by sea or by land.—From Messina 1 went.
by sea to Naples, from Naples Paris, from Paris to Dieppe,
front Dieppe to Brighton, and thence by landlii Lrindon..
• Was that the first time of your being at:Milan ?--,YeS. •
Who first applied to you to come hers on thiS-birsrness ?
The English Vice-Consul at Messina. - • - - •
When was it ?—About the 23d, 24th, or 25th of last month.
Was that the first time that you were desired to give evi-
dence on. this subject ?—Yes. • •
Did you go to the Consul; or did the Consnl come to you
—The Consul came to me, because he wag charged to do so
by the Minister at „Naples.
- What are you to' have for coming here ?—For what I Mare
lost very little indeed.
What is it that you are to have ?.---Coming here I am to
have a compensation for the chip and trade 1 give up. to come
herr, 800 dollars per month. -
The Interpreter stated the value of the dollar to be 4s. 3d.,
4s. 4d., and once in his life he bad known it to be 4s. 6d.
Did you pay your own travelling expences ?-1 have paid
nothing, for I was accompanied by a Courier, because the
Minister gave me to the Consul, and the Consul said if I did
not go I should be obliged to go by means.of the Government.
I was nat willing to come but was made to come-. -"
Who was the Courier that accompanied you to-Naples and
Milan ?—From Naples to Milan I -was accompanied by a
Courier named Nicola,:o4 Mr. Crowse,brought nre trtre.
How did you travel from Naples to Milan ?—ln a-calache.
I could not come on foot. : • . . '

In a stage coach or diligence ?—ln a public carriage.
A hired carriage for two, i❑ which no stranger could take
his seat?—These questions are useless. I saw the horses
changed'; the Minister gave 'me to the Cootie'', and the COn-
rier brought nie here, that is all that I know.
The. Minister gave you to one courier, and he gave you ano-
ther to'Mr. Crowse. As it not, so?—Courier took me to Mi-
lan. There Colonel Brown, lo whom we brought a letter,
handed me to the courier, who brought me kere: -
How long was this witness at Milan ? do not know, as
I have not my memorandum-book in my pocket ; perhaps two
or three days.
Where were you those two. or three days ?—At an inn.
How often did you see Colonel Brown there ?.--When
took the letter to him, and when I went to take my leave of
him, with the second Courier. , • .
Have you seen a man of the name of Berrrada do not
know; this is the first time that I ever heard the name;
Was witness examined? Did be see any one taking down
What he bad to say ?—Yes, at Milan. '
Who were present ?—Colonel Brown, two other persons,
and one who wrote, making four, and myself five.
Did Colonel Brown put questions to witness ?—Yes. Just
like this Gentleman., he told me to tell the truth, and what
I had seen.
Were you sworn on the Cross of Christ ?—I was not, be-
cause I was not asked.: but if I bad, it would have been -the
same, for I bate told the truth, which I would swear to a
thousand times. _

Had witness bcen examined at Naples before he set out
No. _ _

How did von travel from Milan lo Paris with Mr. Crowse ?
—ln a carriage also.
Were you alone, or were other persons with you ?—Alone ;
Land Mr. Crowse and the posthoy. It was. a four-wheeled
carriage, with two seats.
When did you arrive in London ?—Yesterday... • •
How long did you remain at Paris ?—We arrived in the
morning, and set out at night.
Did any body at Paris talk to you on this subject ?—Not
with respect to the deposition.
.Diff.any one talk to you at Paris about what you had to say
against her Royal Highni.ss ?—Nu, otherwise I should have
said.the same as now. . . • . • .
Did any one talk With him at Paris on the subject of what
be had to say?—No, I was there solew houri that I had
hardly sufficient time to rest mvself,.for I travelled post.
Was Witness never examined nn this subject before he set
out from Messina to Milan ?—No.
How long is it since he was in Paris?—Witness asked the
Interpreter what day yesterday was, and was told Wednes-
day • he then said he was at Paris on Saturday in the last week.
• Has witness been examined since he cattle to England ?
Yes. , • .
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Before he came to this House ?—Yei.
Was he brought into this House before he•came-in as a
witness ?—No.
When was•he examined here?—Yesterday:. • • •
Does he know the name of the Gentleman who examined
him ?—No.

You were pot sworn, I suppose, yesterday ?—No.
Where has witness been since his arrival in London ?
There where all the rest are. •
All the rest of whom?—All the persons who were in a
place that communicated with that House. •
Who were they do not know ; I never had the curiosity
to laurel them. I only attended to my Own business.
How many werirthere of them ?—I do not know.
Does he know whether there were ten, Or ten times ten ?
Ten times ten is one hundred, if I understand arithmetic.
I. would ask, if • in the 'place where he came from there are-
as many as six persons?—Whether .There are- six or not I do
not know. 1 know no more than the Captain, Theodore, and
the Cook.
. Where was witness last night ?—ln his chamber.
Who were with you ?—Witness named the persons he had
just mentioned.
'He went on to describe the persons with whom be had
taken tea or, the preceding evening. •
Did you sup together afterwards?—No;- I took no supper
last night. I only took tea.
What day did you come over from Dieppe ?—The day I ar-
rived was Tuesday. On Monday I left Dieppe, and on Mon-
day ..night I landed at Brighton.
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Here the cross-examination closed.
Mr. BROU GRAM thought it right to say, that what he said
before Witls respect to the cross-examinations applied to this
• witness as well as to the last. He wished the cross-examina-
tions not to be regarded as finally closed. • The Counsel for
the Queen telt it necessary to reserve to themselves the right
of calling them again, as from the course which had been
pursued, the names of some of the witnesses they had 'never
beard till now.
The Lbw) CRANCEt.t.ott apprehended' when an application
was,made to re-examine the witnesses, the House would de-
cide on the application according to the merits of the case.
Mr. linon-onAm desired nothing beyond that, but he had
thought it right to put in this general application, Vl:it none
of their Lordships might go away, considering the examina-
tions to be finally closed.
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Re-examined by the ATTORNEY-GENERAL.
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What was the size of your ship ?—Two hundred and sixty-
nine tons.
Is not the 800 dollars per month alluded to, paid for that
ship not being employed by nay of demurrage
Mr. Denman objected to the question.
Ttie Lord Chancellor inquired if it ikere founded on the
evidence.
Mr. Gurney had Sent away his book, but repeated a former
answer given by the witnes,, that he was to receive 800 dol-
lars per month for hii ship not being employed.
Is that more than an adequate compensation for your com-
ing here ?—I want to know whether it is compensation for
the ship or foi4 my labour ?
I ask, if 800 dollars per month is more than an adequate
remuneration for the ship remaining unemployed ?—tight
hundred dollars per month is not so much as the loss I may
sustain. We reckon not so much on the hiring of the ship to
carry goods, as on trading on
,our own account. I du not
know. I may lose or I may gain a great deal more.
Taking these circumstances, into consideration, is it more
than- au adequate compensation?--I cannot tell; fiir if my

spetulati6u succeeded; I might -gain ; if it failed, I might losa
a great (teal more. , "
By Earl Grey—l, wish to ask 'witness where hii ship now
is ?—1 ieft, it at Messina.

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Was it, about to sail on another voyage ?—No. ,
Must it be miemiiliived in your absence ?—I db not know.
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Is it impOssible for it to he sent on another voyage in your
absen•ce, ?--No. The other proprietors may send it out with
another Captain, "hut then I lose my Inisitiess.
Then I understand the BUM paid to be a codipensition for
his absence, and not for his ship remaining unemployed 1--
For leaving my ship and neglecting my trade.
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In answer to other questions witness stated, that in his ah-
sence he, as a proprietor of the ship, might receive his.share
for the freight, but not of the profits of the trade. ,
. In the voyage to Jaffa, how many of the crew were on
deck at night?-0f the whole crew, orie.half watched for four

henrS while the other half rested. . • .
Then I understand that there were only ten or eleven on
deck at night?—When the weather was bad all were on deck.

ut serer leis than ten ?-I‘lever.

Were these in the habit of4alking up and down the deck
during the night ?--Excepting the at the helm and those
who went below to look to the horses, they Walked the deck.
Was there a passage to go by the ttnia--:-The tent occupied
little more than half the breadth of the ship.
Was there any passing by the side of the tent from one end'
of-the ship to the other ?—On one side of the tent there was
no passage as it came to theiide of --the ship. On the other

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_there was a passagp.
Were the men in the habit of passing the tent during the
night ?—Whenever there was occasion to do some duty, they
passed the tent, At other times they did not come aft.
By the Marquis of Lansdown—The witness has said that
the Captain occasionally ordered him to remove from the
deck, when be and the Princess and Bergami Were On deck.
Where did he then.go ?—According to where he -ordered
me.

Did he
.oetter you to go below, or where?—Sometimes he
ordered me to go to -the cabin and sometimes to the fore-
castle, to take care that the sailors did not make-a noise in
the ship.
-,At -the time when you Were ordered, tinder some pretence
or other; to remove from that part -of the deck, where her
Royal Highness andßergami were, were there other persops
near her Royal Highness on that part of the deck ?—As soon
as 1 went awayl did not know what passed.
Were there other persons suffered to remain at the time
you were sent away ?=Were any other persons left there ?
At the moment, when I went away, something was ordered to
me, and I could not pay attention to see who remained or
went away.
When her Royal Highness and 'Bergami were reclining,
was the-weather calm or teMpestuouST—lf it had been stormy
they could have -been- 013 deck. It was summer time and
fine weather.

Was the ship much tossed?-During summer there are only
light airs, and hardly any tide to make any motion. The
Weather was calm, and the ship Alid not move.

Examined bN the Earl of ROSEBERRY.
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In the voyagc to Jaffax Was there a communication from the
tent to the ship helow,' or did it terminate in a place from
which there was no exit ?—I will describe it. 3Vill their
Lordships have a plan of that part of the ship, or otthe cor-
ridor ?

What-I want to know is, whether there was any comnittni:
cation from the tent t hat went to any part of the ship, or whe-
ther•it terminated in' place front whence there was no exit
—I ilia)] draw a plan, and explainit.
The witness then drew a plan, which was shown to their
Lordships.
From the tent so' placed, was there any possibility.to get.to
the dining roorta except by the tent?—,There was' another
place Which I have marked a little higher.
Could. any other persons see their position in the tnt?
Yes; two or three.other people,because thatwas a time when
part of the crew were on deck taking the fresh air, and other
people might see if they chose.
Do you recollect where Theodore Majocci slept ?—I-Ie had
a place assigned to him and a hammock in the hold.
When Theodore was in the place where be slept, could he
possibly observe what passed in the teut ?—When he slept in
the hold beloW he could not, as he must pass throbgh two
decks. . . _

Did Theodore always sleep in the hold ?—I cannot tell.

Examined by Lord ELLENBOROUGH, the LORD
- CIiANCEiLOR and othei. Noble Peers.

Where . did Bergami sleep • in the voyage from Jaffa ?
There were two beds tinder the tent. and when the tent was
open there was seen-a small bed, which was Bergami's.
Had Bergami any other known place to sleep in, but under
the tent ?—When -the Princess slept under the tent, I did
not see them; but what I know, morally speaking, -is, that
firobahly-the Princeis and Bergami must hare slept under the
tent, becattsethere were horses-on board which made a' great
noise, and' they said they could not bear to sleep below.
Where, during the voyage from Jaffa, were the beds placed
which the witness described in the voyage from Tunis ?-0o
the sofa nothing -was left but one single mattress; the
other mattresses were placed on the bed below as at the be-
ginning.
You said that the cabin was divided into two, and that
Ilergami's bed was in the dining room, I wish to lillow where
the beds, and nut the, mattresses, were placed in the voyage
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from Jaffa ?—The bed of the Princess remained where it was.
As to.Bergami's, when he-got tip; it vas rolled' up, for it had
no bedstead, but was put down on the planks of the corridor,
and rolled up in the morning.
Was there any alteration in the distribution of the cabin
in the voyage from Jaffa, and will the witriea draw a plan ?
The only alteration was. that Bergami's bed bud been put
into the dining room. The witness then drew a plan, which
.was also shown to the: House.
Was Bergami's bed made every night during the voyage
from Jaffa ?—As to this, I cannot tell what happened there
not being eresent.
Were there other persons in the place where Theodore
Majocci slept ?-,Yes.
Did Camera sleep there?-No; he slept in the cabin.
How marry tents were there in-the journey to Jerusalem ?
—I de not know. Many, several, as many as were sufficient
for the number of.persons.
Where did the chambermaids sleep in the voyage froth
Jaffa ?—They-had a small cabin assigned to them, hut he never

went below, and could not see whether they slept there.
When the Princess slept under the tent, was the day light
given through the lower passage. or any other ?-Sontetituts
under the tent, and sometimes through the other passage.
Who took the light away?,--Sometimes the maids, sometimes
other persons, or the Captain himself, took it away.
Do you know who gave the light •
Did any other, person, during the voyage from Jaffa, sleep
in the dining room ?—DO your Lordships 'speak of what I
have seen with my own eyes ?
Mr. Denmhn objected to a question so put.
The Lord Chancellor stated, that when a question had been
put by the House, the Counsel were allowed to suggest
,whe-
titer such a question was proper to he put; but it was then
for the House to decide on the question of its propriety. He
thought,in the present instance, that the Noble Peer should
re-state his question.
The question haring. been repeated—This I do net know;
I do not remember.
Did the Princess during
the same voyage take off her
clothes or not ?—1 wish to distinguish between knowing and
seeing. I know that the Princess and Bergami slept on deck,
because every body said so. I have seen the- Princess in the
morning open a little of the tent; I have seen her in a white
gown, a dressing
gown, or some gown, open the tent to take
a morsel of air in the morning before the sun rose.
Did-you ever see Bergatni look'out of the tent at the same
time?--No; the Princess opened the tent towards the sea,
and opened it a little, just enough 'to put herself out.
Was there any direct. communication between the room of
the Princess and that of .Countess Oldi ?—Yes ; you might
pass from the room of Countess Oldi to that of the Queen.
Mr. Denman here suggested the prOpriety of inquiring the
name of the ship.
What was the name of the SW 11?—!I Vero de Fidele.
. To what port did she belong ?—To M,ssitia.•
What is the name of the other owners of the ship ?--,la-
como Milanesi, alone.
The Earl of Lauderdale—Could persons in the dining room
hear what passed under the tent ?—Yes ; a person- con
hear, piovided the words were pronounced with a certa
force.