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London, England, 1845-04-08 00:00:00

IRISH CONSTABULARY.

The Marquis of NORMANBY then rose, pursuant
to notice, to move for returns of all the appointments as
head constable in the Irish constabulary, from the Ist
of May, 1838, to the present time ; distinguishing
whether made upon the recommendation of the
Inspector-General or not, and also a similar return of
all the promotions from head-constable to the higher
grades, in the same form, also distinguishing whether
made upon the recommendation of the Inspector
General. When this subject was before the House on
a former occasion, the Noble Duke asked what had
brcome of the alleged undt;rstanding. The Noble
Duke asserted that none had ever existed ;

but, if there ever was any, he (the Marquis
of Normanby) was the first to break through it.
Now had this been the ease he should not have felt jus-

tified is ag tin calling their Lordships' attention to the
subject ; but he could not help thinking that the Noble
Duke must have been misinformed by some person or

other. or he would not have ventured to make such a
statement. What were the facts of the case? Why, the
constabulary force was divided into non-commissioned
and commissioned officers. The first were taken from
the peasantry and the last from the gentry. The only
appointments which were invested in the Lord-Lieutenant
were those appointments of officers, ahe bore a resem-
blance to Ensigns in the army. Now when he was in
office he told Colonel Macgregor that he would not
strictly exercise this privilege, but whenever Colonel
Macgregor wished to promote any deserving private, he
should be glad to take that gallant gentleman's recom-
tnendetioe. With respect to all the •ippeintments re
Mine to high eenstables, thay, according to an un.lec-
standing, rested entirely with Mr. Macgregor. The
Noble Duke must therefore be misinformed, or
he could not have made the statement to which
he had alluded. He still felt strongly that Mr.
Brownrigg had been harshly treated, inasmuch as
his recommendation had been slighted, while, on two
former occedons, the recommendation of the Inspector-
General had been adopted by the Lord-Lieutenant. He
had had no communication with Col. Macgregor er Mr.
Brownrigg, but he believed, from information he had re-
ceived, that the recommendation was re jetted by the ad-
vice of the late Lord-Lieutenant, Earl de Grey, which
was afterwards acted upon by Sir James Graham. For
his part he thought it highly improper of the Noble
Earl to give such a recommendation, and no less im-
proper for Sir James Graham to agree to it. The result
of the late debate on this subject had produced a bad im-
pression in Ireland, for, at the last assizes for the County
of Armagh, a dinner was given by the High Sheriff to
the Grand Jury, at which there were many guests be-
sides three of the constabulary force. The usual toast
to the t' glorious, pious, and immortal memory" was
given and drunk by one of these constabulary
officers standing up in his uniform, and cheer
ing it most lustily—notwithstanding it was strictly
prohibited by Colonel Macgregor and Colonel
Shaw Kennedy. This was the result of a debate
which had taken place in that House, and he felt
that the determination of the Government not to abide
by the former understanding was likely to prove most
mischievous. But he might be told that the future
measures of the Government would create a different
feeling in Ireland. Whenever those measures came up,
he should give them his most anxious and zealous sup-
port, no matter from what quarter they might emanate;
but he did not think they would have a tendency to alter
the present state of things. The fact was, the system
and principle of the Government was radically wrong.
Their present Chief Secretary was a stranger to Ire-
land, and most of their other officers of State were par-
tisans of the ascendancy principle. It was this that
they would find the cause of the present discontent in
Ireland. He did not mean to find fault with any
portions of the conduct of Mr. Sergeant Jackson, but it
was a remarkable circumstance that Mr. Sergeant Jack-
son had brought into the House of Commons a Bill for
the extinction of Maynooth. Happily a vacancy had
been found on the bench, or he b heved that the Presi-
dent of the Board of Trade would nut have been a soli-
tary instance of resignations to the present Govern-
ment. He did not wish to make any complaint of the
cenduct of Mr. Sergeant Jackson since his elevation to
the bench, but he believed it would have been
a very awkward circumstance for him had he
remained a Member of the other House 'of Le-
gislature; if he had come with a Bill in one pocket
for the extinction of Maynooth, and the Government
Bill in the other for its suppOrt. By the census of 1841
it was ascert dried that there were only 28,000 persons
in all Ireland who were net, natives of the country ; and
it was believed by competent authorities that at least
one-half of that number were children born of Irish
parents, who had been only temporarily absent from the
country. Now it was well known that there were ge-
nerally not less than 60,000 individuals, natives and sub-
jects of the British empire resident at Paris. With the
character of Lord HeytesburY it was not his intention to
interfere ; but he might say, with all his knowledge of
strange countries, he knew, like most Englishmen, very
lithe of Ireland. lie begged, therefore, to move for a
return of all the appointments which had been made in
the constabulary force of Ireland since the Ist of May,
1838, distinguiihing those which bad been made with-
the knowledge of the Inspector-General, and those which
were not. • , - •
Lord STANLEY said that the Noble Marquis. had
entered into much discursive statement upon this ques-
tion, with a view to show that her Majesty's Government
had made the appointments in Ireland from party or
personal motive. Now he would venture to assert that,
in all the appointments which had been made, a greater
liberality of.policy, a greater freedom from theological
or political biap, bad never been shown by any Govern-
ment. With the Noble Marquis's observations, or rather
style, of observations, he.hademuch fault to find, but to
the return he had no objection, with one exception--
that was, that the date of the repOrt should be from the
Ist of MV, "18'36, instead of the Ist'df May, 1838, for
he thought it but fair that the proceedings
.of both Go-
e's mainlyon the
ground recommen-
dations should be compared with' each other. The
Noble Marquis lost, in the year 1838, some two months
thatotn rprevious to the period at which he had fixed this return,
the
thatservices ofhe
ddid not Colonel
attendS l
l t o Kennedy,w
in the filling up of the vacant offices. The:Act re.
vising the former Constabulary Act was introduced in
Shaw
,1836, and the number of the constabulary was then in-
creased from 5,000 to 8,000. On introducing the Bill into
the lower House, the main reason for removing the
patronage from the hands of the local magistracy, and
placing it in the hands of Government,
.was declared to
be for the purpose of discouraging party, influences,
But the power which the magistracy possessed had never
extended beyond the filling up of constables end sub-
constables. The power was, by the Act, nominally vested
in the Lord-Lieutenant, but peculiarly in the Inspector:.
General. How had the practice been carried out by the
Noble Marquis ? He thought there were 140 offices to
be filled up from 5001. a year downwards. There were
also offices not immediately connected with the police;
there were fifty or sixty stipendiary magistrates ap-
pointed by Government. Let them see how the Noble
Marquis had acted. Of eighteen appointments to the
office of paymaster, and he (Lord Stanley) would not
say that Colonel Shaw Kennedy had not had an exagge-
rated view of the patronage to which he was entitled—
but of the eighteen appointments to the situation of pay-
master, he recommended six. To the vacant offices ofsti-
pendiary magistrate he recommended only seven from
the sub-inspectors, not one of which recommendation's
were adopted. Junior officers were placed over them,
and these appointments made the Inspector-General ap•
pear in one of two lights, either as not doing justice to
the officers, or as leaving a total blank in the administra-
tion of the affairs of the constabulary of the country.
And the result of the recommendations made by the In-
spector-General—(Hear, hear, and laughter)—was this,
that only two of these recommendations were adopted.
The Duke of WELLINGTON—Two only adopted
out of all the recommendations adopted?—(Laughter.)
The Marquis of NORMANBY—Oh no.
Lord STANLEY—The Noble Marquis said, "Oh, no."
He (Lord Stanley) said that in the promotions made in
the years 1836 to 1839, only two officers had been
appointed at the instigation of Colonel Shaw Kennedy,
the others were all promoted by the Noble Marquis.
He would take the declaration of Lord Morpeth on the
23d of March, when the question upon this subject, after
the resienation of Colonel Shaw Kennedy, in consequence
of the Noble Marquis' refusing to accede to his recom-
mendations, was brought before the other House. The
Noble Lord said he was prepared to state that all the
appointments made since the period of the passing of the
Act were made by the Inspector-General, with the ex-
ception of chief-constables alone, which his Excellency
retained in his own gift. This was the statement made
by the Chief Secretary for Ireland, in defence of the
Government. On that ground they lost the benefit
of Colonel Shaw Kennedy's services ; and yet the
Noble Marquis told them that they had violated
this very principle which he had afterwards en-
tered into with Colonel Shaw Kennedy's sue-
ceaao4 Cololloi MaogrepL Thu Noble ziggtuke did

not make that the condition of Colonel Macgregor's ac-
ceptin(office. He was quite ready to assent to the rtto-
priety of the Inspector.. General having full control over
the inferior officers of the constabularv, bui this he cer-

tamly did say, that in an office so impi.rMnt as that of
Deputy-Inspector-General, it was absolutely essential
that the Lord-Lieutenant should not be Precluded from
exercising his fair prerogative, even if it sliptild not
happen to be in consonance with the opinion Of the In-
spector General. It was obviously, the interest of the
Lord-Lieutenant to promote the efficiency of the force,
and he must be anxious to give its due weight 'to the re-
commendation of the Inspector-General in certain cases;
but'with regard to the higher offices he was justified in
retaining the right of exercising his own judgment. In
filling up those offices be might refer to Major Prig, tly,
who had been to the office of Deputy-Inspector.
General by Lord Heytesbury.—(The Noble Lord then
referred to the services of the Gallant Major.) He would
not object to granting the motion vihich the Noble Lord
moved for, provided he would embrace the higher ap-
pointments, and order it from the Ist of May, 1836, in-
stead of 1838.
The Marquis of NORMANDY rose to reply, and
hesitated a few moments whether be should do so. He
had waited for the pupose of seeing whether or not the

Noble Duke would speak.
The Dnke of 'WELLINGTON then rose. He could
assure the Noble Marquis that nothing had been farther
from his intention than to misrepresent any part of his
conduct. He certainly thought he had done everything
in his power to avoid discussing the question upon the
former occasion, for, at that time, he happened to be in
a situation in which it was impossible for him to attend.
His friend the President of the Council and the Noble
Lord the Secretary for the Colonies had stated
their readiness to undertake the task if - the
Noble Marquis persisted in his motion. He
had, in fact, paid no attention to the subject, till two
or three days before the discussion came on, and when
the Noble Marquis had stated his determination to
bring it forward, and after what he had heard to-night,
he (the Noble Duke) thought the Noble Marquis would
regret that he had nut delayed the motion till he had
given the opportunity of looking into the subject. He
had, as he said before, not the smallest intention of mis-
,epresenting any part of the conduct of the Noble Mar.
quis. He had certainly stated that the Lord-Lieute-
hant, under the Act of Parliament, had certain rights
and duties to perform ; and that he was to estimate
these rights, and to look to the performance of his
duties to the provisions of the Act of Parliament, and
not to any arrangement made by his predecessors in
office, and most particularly when his former prede-
cessor entertained views not in accordance with arrange-
ment.' to be made by the existing Government. He (the
Duke of Wellington) had quoted the course pursued by
the Noble Marquis himself in the appointment of in
spectors, and he had stated that after the Noble Marquis
hail informed Colonel Macgregor that he should have
the recommendation of all the chief constables, that he
should have their appointments, and that ho then
turned round, took away two-thirds of them, stating
that the right of appointment should -be one in-
three. Ho thought he was borne out in these statements
by the evidence taken before their Lordships' Committee
If he had made any misrepresentation of the intentions
of the Noble Marquis, it had been forced upon him, and
he thought it would be acknpwledged by their Lord-
ships, that no man had tried more to avoid discussion on
the question than he had.—(Elear.)
Earl ST. GERMANS thought the Noble Marquis
would, upon consideration, find that upon no ground had
the appointment of. head-constables taken place without
the approbation of the inspector-general.
-The Marquis of NORMANBY; in replying, stated
that he had no objection to the extended form of the
motion, as suggested by the Noble Lord the Secretary
of State fir the Colonies He considered that the
claims of Major Brownrigg had been shown ou all sides,
and that those of Major Priestly bore no comparison to
them. The Noble Marquis then proceeded to taunt
Ministers with not bringing on their Irish Registration
Bill, which he asserted they dare not do, and declaimed
against their conduct in appointing such a man as Mr.
Howley as first serge-eat, in preference to a man of such
high talents as Mr. Sergeant Warren, for the mere pur-
pose .of having it said they had appointed a Catholic in
preference to a Protestant and an old tried Conservative
supporter. Mr. Attorney-General Smith, at a meeting
held at the Mansion-house in Dublin, was . reported to
have stated that he did not think that a Roman.
Catholic was to be believed on his oath, and
a man who could make such a statement as
that was not fit to 611 the office of Attorney-General for
Ireland. And when the Right Hon. Gentleman was ac-
cused of tbis in his place in Parliament, what answer did
he make to it ? Why, he did not say that he had not
made such a statement, but that he had seen a corrected
report of his speech, in which the objectionable words
were omitted. With.,reference to the returns, he had no
objection to amend his motion in the manner the Noble
Lord wished. He was only anxious to have such infor-
mation as was limited to the particular point to which he
wished to direct the attention of the Noble Duke, from
which it would be seen that the Noble Duke had sup-
posed something had been taken from-the Inspector-
General which never belonged to him,.
The Duke of WELLINGTON wished to explain.
He certainly did not understand that he had on the
former occasion made the statement which the Noble
Lord said he did, because he was perfectly aware of the
difference between the head constable had the chief con-
stable. He perfectly knew what were those gradations.
A chief constable was of the rank of a commissioned
officer,- and the head constable of the rank of a non-
commissioned officer. He knew nothing about the rank
of a sub-inspector; it was a new name to him.
The Marquis of NORMANBY said, perhaps the Noble
Duke would state what was the charge he meant to
make against him—what was the supposed right he had
taken away ?
The ])uke of WELLINGTON replied that what he
did say was, having given over the appointment to the
chief constable, the Inspector-General was deprived of
two-thirds of these appointments. he having been told
that he was only to have one of the appointments.
The Marquis of NORMANBY said such was not the
fact. The Noble Duke misunderstood the case. The
Inspector-General was never told that he was to have
any of the appointments, with the eiceptiori of one, and
that was the power of recommending promotions from
the ranks. As to his having ever exercised any further.
power the Noble Duke, when he saw the
•return, would
see that such was not the case.
The Duke of WELLINGTON made some remark
across-the table which did not reach the gallery.
The Earl of ST. GERMANS begged their Lordships'
pardOn for being guilty of an irregularity in speaking a
second time in a debate, but a charge had been brought
against a Right Hon., Friend of his by the Noble
Marquis opposite, which he could not suffer to pass un-
noticed. The Noble Marquis he could not help remark-
ing was hardly justified in making a charge against a
gentleman who was not present to defend himself. The
Noble. Marquis had stated that the Right Hon. and
Learned Gentleman, the Attorney-General for Ireland,
was reported to have declared at a public meeting held
in Dublin that the Roman Catholics were not to be be-
lieved on their oaths. Now his Right Hon. and Learned
Friend, within two days after the report of that meeting,
published a correct report of his speech, in which no such
exptessions were used. Besides the Right Hon. and
Learned Gentleman distinctly denied the accusation at
the time to which the Noble Marquis had just referred.
The Marquis of NORMANBY told their Lordships
that it so happened he heard all that was said on-the oc-,
colon referred to, and he did not think it was consi=
dered by any person who was present at the time, ar.d
certainly not by himself, —that the Right Hon. and
Learned Gentleman had made any denial of the charge ;
but what he did say was, that he had seen a correct re-
. port of his speech, with these words left out.
• The return was then agreed to.
COMMON LAW PROCESS BILL.
Oh the tnetion of Lord CAMPBELL, the Common
Law. Process Bill witcrdad-a third time; and passed.
SUGAR DUTIES' BILL.

On the motion of the Earl of DALHOUSIE; the
Sugar Duties' Bill was read a second time, and ordered
to be committed to-morrow.
Lord MONTEAGLE moved for certain papers relat-
ing- to the entry of sugar.—Agreed to.
.Their Lordships then adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, April 7.
The House sat to-day. at Four o'clock.
RAILWAYS.

Several petitions on private Bills having been pre-
sented, .
Mr._ LOCKHART presented a large number of pe-
titions, including those from the following places, in
favour of, the
.Caledonian 'Railway:-From the town
councils.- of Greenock, Port Glasgow, Montrose, Peter-'
head, Banff, Elgin, Nairn, Dingwall, and-Lanark—from
the inhabitants of Port Glasgow, Invernesi, Montrose,
Brechen, Forfar, Banff, Stonehaven, Laurencekirk, and
Forres—from the Chamber of Commerce of Greenock--
and from the inhabitants of the following parishes in'
Lanarkshire and Dumfriesshire through, which the line
Will pass: Biggen, Crawford, Covington, Carlisle, Car-
stairs, Lamington, Symington, Libberton, Wiston, Craw-
ford-John, Carmichael, Pitman, Moffat, Dryfesdalec,
Johnstone, Applegarth, Futidergarth, St. Mungo, Ho&
d ain„Afin an, Kirkpatrick Fleming, Middlebie, Wamphray,
Kirkpatrick Juxta, and Gretna.
CALEDONIAN. RAILWAY.
Mr. MACAULAY presented a petition, signed by
upwards of 25,000 of the inhabitants of Edinbnrgh, in
favour of the. Caledonian Railway.
GREENWICH COLLIERY RAILWAY.
Mr. HODGSON-HINDE said he had to intreat the
attention of the House to "a few observations he had to
make in reference to this Bill. He would endeavour to
explain in as few words as possible the great injury and
injustice that would be done to a great many parties
if this Bill should be suffered to • pass through
the House without attention being called to many
circumstances connected with it. He wished
to be understood as now reserving what he had to say
upon the subject to the time when the Bill should come
before the House, when he would bring a charge
against one of the Commissioners of Green-
wich Hospital, for having interfered in a man-
ner, that he (Mr. 11. llinde) did not think he was
warranted in doing. He held in his hand a very volumi-
nous correspondence on the subject, that had passed
between the Commissioner's solicitor and Mr. Richards.
He did not mean to trouble the House by reading the
whole of it; but he would just read one letter that had
been written to one of the landowners who was opposing
the line, and it would be then for the House to say
whether the order for the second reading should be
discharged. The Hon. Member then read the letter;
it alluded, to an engagement which the Company had
entered into with Mr. Bicknell, and which Mr. Bicknell
alleged had been broken on their part. Under those
circumstances, he (Mr. H. Hinds) thought the House
ought not to proceed with the Bill until the Company had
either performed or been released from their agreement.
Mr. CHARLES HOPE explained, but in so low ct
tone of wide 414 to be quite 1444,19 the salerh

Mr. FOSTER said it had been quite impossible for
any Hon. Member in that House to have heard the cor-
respondence which had been 'read by the Hon. Member
(Mr: H. Hinde)—(Laught-r)—and h' thought it should
be printed; so that the House might knoW•.whit it.all
meant.—(Continned laughter.) The Bill was of a most
anomalous character, and gave extraordinary powers to
the Commissioners of Greenwich Hospital. He was op-

posed to the second reading.
On the question that the Bill beyead a second time,
Mr. H. HINDE presented. petitions, signed by all the
landholders on the intended hue o raihvay, againSt the

Bill.
Mr. FOSTER presented petitions from the- Mayor
and corporation of the town of Berwick, against the
Bill.
Mr. H. HINDE said that if the Honourable Gentle-
man who had charge of this Bill, or the Noble lord
the Chief Commissioner of Woods • and' Forests,

would give him an assurance that this Bill should
be :postponed until after the Correspondence had
been printed, he would abstain from moving that
the Bill be read-a 'second time that day .six monts.
This Bill if passed would be a public injustice. Had
there been other than public rights cOneerned he never
would have intruded this matter on the House of Com-
tifons, .butr stales, since the Bill had be,n presented
to the House, -'any new information had been
given, he could not assent to the second reading
of this Bill. He could not see why, for: the sake of
one farthing a lift, which was all for the Greenwich
Hospital, they should inflict a grievous injury on the
public. The Greenwich Colliery ought not to be
placed in any position which was more exclusive
than that of any other collfery;" and if -five collieries
out of six united to outpost a sixth, they were all subject
to.tbe same rules of competition, and there ought to be
no.fayour shown by the Legislature to interfere with this
competition. ,
The question was then put for the second reading.
Mr. HOPE supported the Bill, and presented petitions
in its favour. The Hon. Gentlemen read :several ex-
tracts from the evidence of a civil engineer, in favour of
the Bill, and said that the landowners were in favour
of it.

Mr. WicßßUßTON•looked upon this measure as a
public one, itullte thoukht that -nothing could be more
reasonable. than •to put ,off the second reading of the
Bill for a week, to give the House an opportunity of
being acquainted 'with the documents which had been
read. He should support the motion of his Hon
Friend bef ire him, that the second reading should be
postponed for a week, and that in the mean time the
papers keit read he printed.
Lord LINCOLN would oppose the motion for the
postponement, and also the proposition for printing
the papers. He thought it highly inexpedient
for the House to publish the correspondence
which had passed between the opposing agents.
He thooght it was perfectly unnecessary to publish the
correspondence, as he.did not think it would induce the
House to take any other course than that which he
trusted the House would take on the:present occasion—

- -
namely, to send the Bill to a- -Conimittee of
that House. The gentleman who held • ..t1):
office of solicitor to the Commissioners of Green,
wich Hospital had held the office for upwards
of thirty.years, and he had never had such a charge
made against him before. He (Lord Lincoln) conceived
that the charge could only be properly investigated in
the Committee to which the Bill would be referred, and
if the Committee should find that the charge had been
proved, their duty would be to throw out the. Bill.
Lord HOWICK said he did not concur with .the Hori.
and Leained.Membrr behind him, that the reason he
had assigned for postponing the seco?d reading of this
Bill for a week was sufficient. It appeared to hire
liowick) that this was a private -Bill. brought in

by the Government for local purposes, and that
therefore the p apex place for discussing its- merits
was not in that House, but before-a,Comittee, for if it
were to be discussed before m
the House,* means of course
would be taken to insure its being carried ; but, if
brought before a Committee it would be fully and fairly
discussed, for there alone would a full examination of all
the details be gone into. If this be 'a Govern-
ment proposition, he could see no good grounds
assigned why,.for that reason merely, this Bill should
be taken out of the reular course to which all such
Bills were subjected. Therefore he did think-it would
be a great waste of public time and of public money to
print this correspondence ; for he could not see
what that correspondence had to do with the Bill
itself. He looked upon these letters as the result of a
mere private squabble between a respectable solicitor
and some other party. It did seem to
him to be a
_very strange course, indeed, if'
the. Government were to determine upon throwing
out this Bill on the second reading, without at first send-
ing it before a Committee. He knew something of its
merits, and though he was aware -that it was a
local Bill, and. for local purposes, he knew no
grounds upon which it could be, or ought to be opposed;
but, on the contrary, he knew that it possessed a
great many local advantages, and he was also aware that
there were a great number of persons; in the vicinity of
the town through which it was to pass, who. were in
favour of it. On the whole, he did hope that the Bill
would be sent to a Committee ; but he would oppose the
printing of .the correspondence.
'Mr. BELL said a few words, after which the gallery
was cleared for a division, but none took place.
The Bill was then read a second time.
The Anderston Police Bill was also read a second time.
Mr. GROGAN presented a petition from the noble-
men and gentlemen of Carlow in favour of the Dublin
and Carlow Railway Bill.
Mr. GROGAN also presented a petition from noble-
' men and gentlemen in Meath and Westmeath against
the Drogheda and. Dublin Railway Extension Bill.
The Manchester Court of Record Bill was read a
second time, and ordered to be committed.
On the motion of Mr. COLLETT, the Great Southern
and Western (Ireland) Rail way Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to he committed.
Sir JOHN YARDE BULLER presented a petition
against the Nottingham Railway, and. also against the
Cornwall Railway.
Mr. HUME presented a petition against the Berwick
Railway. .
Sir THOMAS ESMONDE presented a petition in
favour of. the Carlow, _Wexford, and Dublin -Railway.
Mr. H. HIIgDE gave notice that be would, to-
morrow, move for copies of the correspondence between
the Commissioners of Greenwich Hospital and" Mr,
Dixon relative to the Greenwich Colliery. Railway Bill,'
'and also that if the Bill passed the 'Committee, he would
take the sense of-the !Rinse on bringing up the report.
Mr. "WAWN wished to know from the Right Hon.
Gentleman, the Vice-President of the Board of Trade,
when it was the intention of the Government to introduce
a measure relative to merchant seamen ?
Sir G. CLERK was understood to say that he Would
move for leave to bring in a Bill on the subject on
Tuesday.

CUSTOMS.—REVENUE.
Mr. E. BULLER begged leave to ask the Right Hon
Gentleman opposite, when (a-, we under-tood) then
would be an opportunity of bringing forward the severe
motions of which notice had been given, respecting the
Cust.na,' Amendment Act ?
Sir R. PEEL (who was, also imperfectly in- ard) was
understood to say.that ,he was not at present able to
hame a day, but he woold'takc an early opportunity of
doing so.
Mr. PARKER would postpone his notice on the sub-
ject until the Right Hon. Baronet appointed a-day...
Mr. HAWES wished to ask the .Right,Hon. Geutle-;
man the Chancellor of the Exchequer Ohen• he pro-
posed to lay before the House the last report of the Cona7
missioners of Revenue Inquiry ?
The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER, said
that the report laid by the Commissioners before • the
Treasury in December last was confidential, and' theta
had not been time to decide whether it should be pub-
lished for the use of Hon. Members.
THE PAPER TRADE. ,
Mr. GISBORNE, who was almost ieandihle,, put a
question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the
subject of certain applications made some time since
to the Commissioners of Excise by the paper trade.
The question he wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentle-
man was, whether the Board of Excise had yet come to
a decision on 'this subject, and if so, what that decision
was ? , -
The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said
he had had a deputation from the paper-makers a short
time ago on this particular subject, and in consequence
the Board of Excise had taken the matter into. their
cOnsideratiOn. It was, however, necessary • that -:the
Commissioners should have a report from the different
districts in which paper was manufactured;' and as those
reports.. had not yet been received, .the CommisSioners
had not been able to come to a judgment on the subject.
As poop as this judgment was come, to; he would com
Municate i 4 to the. Hon. Gentleman. .
A • THE FISHERIES. . -
Lord P-ALMERSTON said, I wish, Sir, to put a quest
tion to the,Right -Hon: Gentleman, of which I have given
him notice. ,It, is sailed in the newspapers that -the
French Minister, M. Guizot, has announced to, the
-Chambers that he is about to propose a Bill for the
purpose of (sallying into effect certain modifications,
which the 'British Government had coasented to, in the
treaty which was concluded in 1839, between the two
Governments, for regulating the fisheries in the narrow
seas. I wish to ask' the Right lion. Gentleman what
these modifications are ?
Sir R. PEEL—I think there must be some mistake
with respect to. the report to which the Noble Lord
refers. The Noble Lord and the House will probably
recollect that: a convention was entered' into in 1839
between this 'country and France with respect to the
fisheries on the coasts of the' two countries. By the
eleventh article, I think it was, certain regulations were
to be made by Commissioners appointed by the two
countries, for the purpose of giving effect to that treaty.
Those regulations were made, and embodied in an Act
of Parliament, which passed both branches of the Legis-
lature, and received the royal assent in 1843. By the
convention powers were expressly reserved to each of
the two countries to pass the.necessary legislative mea-
sures for carrying the said regulations into execution.
We acted on those powers. We passed a law enabling
us by the regular tribunals of the country to inflict pe-
nalties on those subjects of France who contravened the
regulations of the treaty. That law is now in force.
France did not pass any such law, but I apprehend that
all the French Government now propose to do, is to pass
a law enabling them to take measures for giving effect
to the convention. There are no modifications whatever.
Lord PALMERS t'ON wished to know if there had
been no modifications or alterations of the regulations?
Sir R. PEEL said there might have been some
alteration in the regulations ; but these regulations
were now contained in the Act, and he (Sir R. Peel)
believed there had been no modification whatever of
them since. However, it might be that the French
Government were now about to pass a law upon the
subject.
Captain PECHELL said he understood that the French
Goveparat wore about to pus a law which would very

materially affect-the -reg,nlatiens of the excellent At.
drawn up by the Noble Lord, for the protection of the
deep sea fisheries belonging to this country ; and'
in fact, petitions were pouring in every day from
the- fishers all along the cosst of Normandy egai°°
the regulations of the English -Act, for the French
people comp!ained •of being restricted to a Hell°
of three miles, within which they could not encroach
towards the English ctiast, and that therefore they It
unable to' catch the herrines beyond that , limit. 1,1
was true that no alteiation had been make
in the English Act • passed in 1843 - but
French people complained of - it as an evil' requiring
a remedy, and that remedy he found had beau_
proposed by a very active • member of the 'Chamber of
Deputies. and addreesed to M. Guizot. In, fact, the
French Government had been bullied and • badgered
upon the subject ; end he held in his 'hand all
extract from one of the petitions sent in,...Whiell ~,
he would read. '(The Hen. and Gallant Member then
read the extract, in French, amidst loud and continued
laughter froth' all parts of the House.) He said the
meaning of: the
,petition was, that French 'fishermen
complained of the restrictions of the English Act.
What had fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet would,
Sowever, allay the apprehensions entertained by our
own subjects.
Sit-R. PEEL thought it would be unwise for him to
enter into the question any further—it was not'for then°
to canvass the debates on petitions which were presented ..
in the French Chamber. The fisheries between the two ,
countries were:regulated by convention. There.had been
no change in the convention, and no change Was in car
...,
templatione • '--
SCOTCH AND IRISH BANKS. -.e.
Mr. BOUVERIE piirss,.question to the Right lOW--
Baropet (Sir R. Peel), which was but imperfectly head,
in the gallery, but which we understood to be, whew
the question 'of the Scotch and Irish banks would be
brought under the notice of the House, and what .the'
nature of the measure would be ?
Sir R. PEEL said that from the press of other andmere"
important business he Could not name the particular'
period at which be,would bring the, subject under the .. ~
consideration of the House..
. Mr. HUME said it would be desirable that the IVO _
Hon. Baronet should mention the nature of the measure.'
Mr. ELLICE said it was extremely desirable • that is
a, matter of -so much importanee
,the Scotch•peonle
should be made aware of the objects and nature of the
proposed change. -
Mr. FOX MAULE said, that if no explanation were •
given by. the Government, he would, when the measure
was brought f6r.Varkconsider himself at liberty to give
it all the opposition in his power.
MEDICAL BILLS.
In reply to a question from Mr. HAWES,
`f ,
Sir JAMES' GRAHAM said he did not thinkit
would 'be peeeible for him to bring forward the Medical
Bills that night, and therefore he should at once propose
to take them upon that day week.
• ' - EXCISE-ACTS, ._,,
The House then went into Committee on the Excise
....
.., ~.....
Acts. ,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
after .the' able exposition made by the First Lord of
the Treasury in his financial statement of the grounds oar
which he intended to remit certain taxese-after
the detailed-explanation:he-had given of the evil conse-
quences of these taxes on the'eommerce of the coutttrjr,
he (the Chancellor of ,the Exchequer) did not think iS.
would have been .considered necessary for him
.1,0
trouble the Helm again on the same subject, Ile
should have thooght that it would have been the general?"
he might say the unanimous feeling of the House, that
it would be expedient to remit them, but he found that
the Hon. Member for -Dorset,hire (Mr. Bankee) bed
d,termined io tilt,- the 'sense of the Hou'se 1
the retni..sion (if the auction duty. He w ,old
have wished 'that the Honourable Member, before
placing his notice upon the paper, had read the repo„,,r
furnished by the Commissioners on this subject.- tie
might then have• been prepared perhaps to coincide io
their recommendation that the very first duties t°,
which the attention of Parliament should be directed
with the view of repealing them, should' be
the auction ditties, beNtiase their character, in a.coos'
roercial country, • was most obnoxious, as all taxes
upon the - transfer of property must necessarily be'
Not only did this general objection exist, but they welt
also objectionable as being partial, as they did not affee -
~
all species of property. Only one particular class of pin
perty was liable to these duties, that which was Sold o,
auction. They were `liable to another objection, dies ,
applied to the transfer of property, which above all things
ought to be. entitled to indulgence. The party selling
had no option as to the course he should pursue ill
selling: He need only refer to what was not an uncoragt?ll
instance, a case. of recent occurrence which fell uncle'
his own particular notice. Two estates had
lately sold equally redeemable:-• They were eae.,l
sold for 100,0001. The proprietor of one b''''
contracted an amount of debt, and it became neeessa%
for him to submit it to sale by auction ; the consestneo..
was, that when the property was sold, 90,000/. I'
paid by that individual, and out of the residue,"
10,0001, he had to pay 3,0001. the amount of duties`
The other person, whose property was subject to -no ill-
cumbrance, for he was not liable to debt, sold his Pre'
perty by ' private contract, and thereby avoided the dutl;
The whole of the property last year which was put ue
for sale by auction •WaS of the _value of 45,000,0"
while the amount of it which was subjeeted to the sac;
tint' duty was short of a million. The exempti°ll,,
from the auction-duty had been carried to a great exteil" ..
generally ipeaking, Parliament had been in the hall'
when particular interests pressed upon them, of exewet;
ing those interests from the auction duty. Thera' high
no less than forty-five different classes of sales whiell. ,
were exempted from auction duty. by Act of Parliament.
The duty did not press upon those classes, therefore', ,
pressed as a hardship with very great severity on those, ~.
who were subjected to it. But it was not to be suppose":
that those who were exempt from duty were altogetberi,
exempt from charge. Far from it. It was true the',
they were exempt from the payment of the auctioa
duty, but they were still subject to all those restrictions; '
on sales which applied to every other sort of property,
The auctioneer had the same notice to give, the OW'
catalogues to draw up, the same bonds to enter into;
with the Excise, and, as he had to collect the duty, De'
had ti pay himself by making additional charges, which.
those parties had to pay,' aithou.h they paid no add!'
tional auction duty to the State. The expense of col'
lecting that duty was also great. It was not easy to
state exactly the. amount of the charges upon the Elt;;
rise for the collection of that duty, but of the 300,00.
annually collected, the whole by no means went "ote
the coffers of 'the State; and
,he thought he was NY-th'ilr.'
• the mark in estimatitig theexpense of the collection, 9:„
26,0001 The House would see, theiefore, tbe",
among the. other evils of -.:this duty, was, the;
immense expense of its, collection.—(Hear, liesr,*)
But in consequence of the amount of the duty, and ,te ;
pressure upon particular. kinds of property, parties
resorted to all sorts of devices to avoid selling -
by attetion. And sometimes, to evade the
payment of the duty, the seller bought in the properti:
:.nd disposed of it by private contract. In a great
majority of eases, the intention of the law was entitTli
lefeated. The anomalies of the tax were equal!}'
burthensome upon trade, manufactures and other pr°, •
perty. In the case of the imparters of some kinds ,
foreign goods, the first importerhad.no duty tepaY if
he sold within a limited period, but the purchaser from
him would have the *hole burtben of the auction dot
to pay, when he was' obliged to sell. Nor was • tile
auction duty less offensive with- regard to the agrielll;
tural interest, with regard to Which- his Hon.'-Friet'l
(Mr. pukes). had a. mqtion upon •whieh he proposed to
take thesense of the House. It was perfectly true till.
the larger- farmers who had . such a quantity. °
Stock to dispoise of,'to' the sale of. which it would ,be le: '
sirable.to attract a great nomber of persOris, might' mkt..,
feel the hardship of the present system, but it operatel, t
most oppressively upon the farmers who had only a stne'
stock te-slispose of, to the sale of which a large nun'
i
of persons was riot expected. But, even with regard te
the large fanners, -he ine* 'instances where persons :
having a large stock to dispose of, led wishing for the 1 ,
vantage of as great'a nuinber of buyers as possible, drove
their cattleto.the neighbourhood ola large town, where I
they_were viewed.
:They were' afterwards driven back ,
and sold. In many cases of. this kind, also, disnote,e
arose as to the bond fide nature of the sale. - Then,. wi'
regard to timber, when it was sold standing there wasp/
duty, but when it was cut down, and the person wished
to sell 'the bark or other parts of the tree .
by auction, the whole duty had to be pat
-(1'
There were some general instances of the continued
fraudulent evasion of the kW cn this subject, which were it
continually being practised. He might state many more; '
but he.feared he would be wearying the House by &log '
so. ,The great objection to • the tax was, that it wes! a
tax upon the transfer of property, operating- partially •
laid unequally,. and particularly upon those on whom .i. -''
shduld.not be' itiflieted at all *; and oven upon thoie whose
duty it was to collect- ite.an • amount of labour and 'ex-'-'t
pense more than they could afford ;in short it was a tax ; is
that had operated so unequally, that it was resolved uPee ,
that it should be the very first tax proposed to here; - t
pealed. Some modification of it had been recommended.'
by the Commissioners, but then it had been considerbu' '
that the expense of collecting it in a reduced form woOlti , --,.
be just as nipch as if it was at the full amount, and that
therefore it would be better„ to abolish it altogether!
(Hear.) There was only one', point more to which he "
wished to calrattentionenamely the pr position that acid , ,
tioneers should pay alicenceof 15/.1, at present they P
only 5/., but then they had to pay its addition wheneve!
they were called upon to. Sell any. excisable article. It ;
mig , and in some instances; elid, so happen that 141
individual, in addition to. selling -ordinary property, 5°
wine, or beer or spirits or plate, and in all these casea 1 .
separate licence must be had before the party could Vl' ,
them. There were cases in which an auctioneer did psi •."
the whole of that- additional duty, thereby incurring'a°
annual charge of 301, the ainount of 'all those particular
&Wes. In fixing the duty at half that amount, it art
peered to him that it was not an unfair compromise 01
extreme 'rights. As the Bill would stand, the part):
haiing a licence for 151. weuld be at liberty to sell ever.,
species of property without any addititional licence'
There would be a great increase of property really Pe
up to sale and actually disposed of by this mode of transfer'
'The auctioneer, therefore, would have a very large increar
of business, arising from the simple circumstance of 1115
being released from heavy restrictions. But in additil
to paying the present duty the auctioneers had to furnish
an annual bond to the Excise for the purpose of securing
the payment of the duty which might pass through
their hands. 'Those- wore annual expenses on the auc-
tioneer. He had various other burdens to bear. fle .
had to provide two sureties, with a view a preventing
fraud, and he was also compelled to keep a complica .
set of books for the satisfaction of the Excise ted
' Corno3ie; :
sioners. Thosewerelhe greunds on which he propose:
to :he House to remit the duty on auctions, and as ba
,did not know what objections could possibly be urge_ ,
1)!.
against it, as he had not been able to form any objec_
in his own mind, he could not anticipate what might
urged by Lion. /limbers. Ile had only, therefore, thy

I

power of answering any Objections that might be raised
by Hon. Members. . .
Mr. HAWES said that the Right Hon. the Chancellor
of the Exchequer had said that .he iwended to levy a
duty of 13:/. upon auctioneers, in lien of several duties tri-
which they were at the present diaLle. - PerhapS the
Right Hon. Goilleman was not :aware that, in several
parts of the country, it was 'the custom for one of
.thes
partners to- take out -an atiction licence. He wished to
know whether, by this arrangeinent, it would be lave-
; retire upon three partners in a firm to take out the lis.
tenee, vrhieh,.in such. a- c:ise; .wriuld be a gain to. Go-
vernment of 451. instead of 151.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIfE
thatEXCHEQUER said
a member of a firm, on behalf of the firm, would
not be obliged to take out. more than one licence for a
Particular sale. Every individual who sold byauction
was liable to pay auction dirty. • " „ , -
In answer test quest;onifrom Mrs.ROSS,
The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER stated
that there Would be some exception to the" Bill—excep-,
' lions which at peelentexieted,•such as auctions at the
Court of Requests_ in Scotland for small sums—auction,
duty„ would not, of course in such cases be enforced..-'''
.41.1 e llouielhen Went into Committtee, whereupon
• thIe'QUANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
e repeal of theanetion duty.
t• Ur. G. BAAKES, in accordance with his motion, said,
017 WOlllO take the sense of the House on the subject.
e did not think-he— was called upon to show that
that 5.
• r.0e..,
il would be Effect( d by the removal of the tax— ,
would ensue from• the. remission of that tax ; but
Ifflial_he was celled upon to prove was-that greater good
-70111. d result from the application of the surplus revenue
,c, other purposes. ~
bleat than those proposed by the Govern-
• There were other burdens which would affect the
aricult.,...urei
la-
non , interest, and which were in the contemp
5,_ ....4 the Government. For instance, the new mea-
, eer, for the regulation of Justices Clerks,. and the Paro-s
:" Settlemeut Bill;•both of which would be throten on
ex! county rates. It was not denied that'greai distress
tioli: 1 in the-agricultural districts, and. yet those addl..
re a in
were about. to be thrown upon it. With
they to the first -measure, he would not eleny that'
• syst l'as a great deal of injustice in the -present
sa, elm of fees to Justices clerks, and he would further
Y that he thought the mat -measure was based on,a
,1
' Bound and useful principle were what he did say was that
already these fresh huidens about to be thrown on an
share 1:14°1 depresSed . class of persons, they should
s tate thbeene6t of some of the relief which the financial
country allowed the-Government to propose.
that, • Another measure was the Parochial Settlement Bill-
-and could, not but consider, as a most unwise
have uns.P"litie measure, and one which would
read t"eeseffeet of materially . increasing the al-
Ile Y enormous amount of the county rates.
.., . _would give it, all: the oppesition in his power.
Another great buedeif on the rate-payers
would be the
establishment
of -lunatie asylums. Even the "smoke'.'
rmeasure of the Hon. Member feir Learning,on. and the
• eposed museums, would entail expense on the agries
fall upon
payment of inspectors and officers.:woulcl
au upon the rate- avers: The Hon. 31emkerilan read
a ..,letter from the boprd of guardian? a! stiorchester,- in'
-,‘"aieb the burdeste'bf poor-rates Was' complained of, as
: 't'ressing with.-great severity, on-.persons. of ;the humbler_
, _sass, some whoniejliolteh prOprietors of small patches
tul ground, weresssistomiling morn-than ss. a-week. .., fle.
°°--?glit the.-charges of 'gaolers, and expenses, after con-.
root n
-TI, mere burdens :of which sthe; publics ought
0 bear
4this a -fair .propottion. •- He thought; also, that.
,le's question he „might reasonably 'expect to have
as saPrort or the Gentlemen in the House Who
witvewed theta-elves to be connected with the Anti-Corn-
. League. Those Gentlemen declared, and he believed
sie truth; that they were not, disposed to injure . the
t'it•leultitriits ; and they were aware that
.with the in-
: ;rests of the latter class, their own were to a great ex-
ant wovfn up.--(Hear.) They admitted that they were
h_Pendant to a great extent upon the prosperity of the
utte market. To show this he (Mr. G. Bankes) would
re.,3 _
ti, ,
te.7 5. extract from -the last trade circular of Manches-
'• which ran to the effect, that, in the-beginning Of the
Previous month, the trade of that • town had b- en in a
; orous condition, but that there had 'since been a
rsate falling off, in 'consequence-of the 'depressed
eof the agricultural districts. He trusted, therefore,
at for their own interest, if not from a higher
leet:se .
~ ,
the' House
Wouldv , the manufactunng -gentlemen in ~
give him their assistance.—(Hear.). had
eard with r
ef 0, . egret is
.ig
,• •
; otate say, that the county accounts were kept very
etas_
ti wurately. But he would call the attention of the
„ea. Member for Montrose—(A laugh)—to those a!-
„uuntse and h would be happy_ to -receive any sugges-.
es wou . gee f
to from him how to improve the mode of keeping
em. He had now offered to the consideration of the
d "Se a proposition for suspending the remission of a
,!'tY which yielded. about 300,0001.. But there would
e other funds.t. the disposal of the Right Hon. Gen-
tes_ a,'s
it'usau the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and if his
.
ts!gat Hon. Friend kept this money in his pocket for-
e Present, the next time he put his hands there he
Would find some more in it, which could be applied to a
'antherreliefof the county-rates. He did not ask for
t~
destitution, but
h° claimed
upon the ground of distress or.
that the agriculturists. 6 claimed it on the ground
had
_vier,
to- it , after -so many bonuses
is fully entitled t . . .
want of it.
up
sea given to other elasses-who were less in
ob": the repeal of the auction-duties was no boon to any
eti„„-* Re had reived letters from a vast number of
otieers •allof the country, stating that they
Would in pars
' l --ruined,
some said
•almost—others entire 3
Els their . ••the-
iner r business would not enable them to pay
s .
Tleetle.f‘' duty of 151. for their licenses. His Right
' lititlei, rissead• said that the remission of- the auction-
Itotild was a boon to the agriculturists, because they
miser "%allowed to sell stock by auction off their pre-
,,Of the d 'sad was. it' a boon to the agriculturists to take
4:11e. re Il'Y en the sale of imported corn, flour, and malt?
--eheidt. Port of Sir Henry Parnell, recommending the
.iseh,m'een of the auction duties, was only part of a grand
the t ,which that financier had in his head to abolish
it ssasxltse altogether. He would show, however, that
• who ••tfie Pinion of that great statesman Lord North,
themeratroduced this. im •in the first instance, that
floes were re post.
mere considera-
nf i, asons more important than
t -‘ .ull anWhich -- him propose the auc-
tou dun ce, induced to
,1
*.-re that' angst which some the most-important
el- 'gr incr of auctions -led to great inter-
, once with f • ease
one t• air- trade, and gave rise to much fraud and
a 1ng......_(Th
. .tract from e Hon. Gentleman then read an ex-
the _ , the
sPoech of Lord North, recommending
~...importance of the • •
tits Right lion 0 suction duties on those grounds.)—
'l° duty Friend will see that when there was
,I„, y there were frauds. There then auctioneers
Who made , w( re
Belied this great
fortunes. The auctioneers who de-
tbletioe ineasure were men of high character and dis-
.ee„,_, , sabot if . their humble brethren had no.right its
_„nstaen on their part, they hadthe con-
:
a right to
e ere a Portion of her 31 •. t , onsrieg. They :woiti,2 yfi'sosduircts who` were W6rth
:101,ai'nst the niergure, Who Would then
''one 'of :these
15 instead
,s_,o/. Thiswouldhe' the reault 'of thlatPmaY
would as belied 'stated -gratify persons' of e:Ortisried which
Would
and. of
.high rank and station ' life, .
but'e '
in ,
who
not require their pecuoiai. .
al 3, aid, and would injure
large and inestimable body of men and o
any benefit to the agriculturist. His Rightwleld not do
. I,i' his arguments said that taxes %.ere n.
Friend
!here were so many objections• H obnoxious because
force of the k -argument II • e did not see the
, that it ..,. • - e seemed also to urge
_. , •was objectionable on accountofthe
, ;10 treuble• 'which: i'it ~:glive , 6
• •tel n. Friendlo'reed-thelrOpOit'6.ve . :would ask his
atrtr that if -thoseAliffes' b- 1- r 'llan.'
11.
was
quite
... e one lo the
CUStoras
, ad
,of the Excise, all tbeie h• . object '
to weal i .. . evils• ich were ed
• hted ,d. be remedied• With - . ' the ' '
meu estates, • 1, respect
.to, sale of
ter, thee h s, they were not sold
.generally in this man-
eertai__ .. g auction was sometimes made use of,
to as'_
u the prices of them. It would-be
ended estates from the dui d easy
exempt•
to substitute tit' its
71 a stamp duty, Which wouldY'an
cnlntt of the duty,' Without 'an --. secure -the pay!.
y complaint or any difli
sere Y• There" were
s. tot ac* ' remedies there pointed out e:vhich
....;eeise
shouted.. ?one beemise it:was desirable that the
that a 0,v,..a h done away with altogether. He thought
7shieh „,°111:11•_' Itany would be injured .by the proposal
..!lson. rriesTawooo._ Ile would venture to hope that his
time
the 00",ruer_muld think it worth the re-consideration
,'„alee to resea_ ent ; and for the purpose of giving then
-01! use se :Alstder it, he- would take the sense of the
• Mr aeon it•
the ' 111
remark s,ON. said that he differed from some of
ahle G s (*his
tips entleman Honourable Friend. The Honour •
tame forward asking for relief to
.e,jie agricultural-
la (.1 the interests of the country. He
tilt/4st one, kr°Posal a small one, and also a
tire interest
of hat was the agricultural interest? Was it
'et°Prietor? fhe labourer, the ' farmer, or the landed
. a loss to e meant the agricultural labourer, he was
t,eil
e.. understand
and-ir benefit hiss how. any remission of lyeal. taxa-.
the anythi" 011: His distress is a chronic distress,.
le. (Ift__, Other ease Fin, he Is a shade better than he would be in
[E De" a•ould• relieve:ll' talQistnence of the cheapness of food.
'l`Zre4telrressi t agricultural labourers from the
;the: ire-ars. en they laboured under, he would go •
~. b
.. "cue,: er?rdially, but to tell him that by leaving '
"sour
by it, ' CiAlt as ,they were,_, the country would
eouser,.._ andsthat it would. better' the aericultural
ntleeas 7a! urging
him to have a doubt of the Hon.
hhe 'a 5 an ability. W• h
Q
self, wag a_ .Y. -
~it regard
,to the farmers,
, p
,ea ought u agriculturist and ajostice of the peace,
7.e knees a terkholvLselnething about the county-rates.
ill`2l, their is'Llieh bodies were baked-for the represe.ritation
Iteee raiiZejt.forsthe levying of. these' rates that it was
tlsrec°uatYsrateY didnet- pay the county-rates, that
lion a took a ftui.e... zontsof.the rent. If the' Hon. Gen-
et) h the t
tile e would rouble to read the report on local take-
-4), pepr.r.,.._find that the'COnitnisilonefs told them that
s'st these " • county-rates, and mites for ltinatic as 1
teed , eurdees vv.,
y ums,
Want aefere • 're merely portions of the 'ant inter-
a to th it found its wa f of
,fite poet, 9 rom the pecket the
t could • et of the owner of '1 1 Wh ' h
k cases' th it be to him ? „T,
,anc. , -at -e-
-s!-e landed Proprietor,v‘ ith regard to the third
. ,40._, when
thea, lie would make it his own
, pe'etCl the
to talc n. Gentleman chow forward and
tetletS hr the ] e off a tax which put money into the
:te_ , 40, ended proprietors, he must say that it
e th`i..a modest proposal. He. would tell them that
the rem:: !_r_oPosal to benefit the f by
farmer, adding to
1;e heads was _Understood it
tisitnseif Of the lati-ded , would throw discredit on
ti;°%e eri°nged• The proprietors, to which class he
' eY. -uat•Y rates y 'reposed. a larger portioe of enter
slid 04 t,_ .on the town o ulations than
~.. er int , the landed • P P
-eh. 0 that proprietors. But he would not
Gentle ons , matter, as it did not
\lathman to , that movement of the Hon.
s.e steed. a Presstu'e from without that
he could not
-411 eourabi They had - hes d
.appie e Gentletee ,11 - r the • other day of
lee, g through n a owing the " grease and lard"
1 a try gli their fin
Ott, 'ag to reee - gars. He supposed now they
to The „ , ver some of what they hadalready
Jest - tea, , 0111 d 110 t find
r . tote iion that the farmers would b -
be
-
WO 4 Goves„ Geetleman at the
,h dea of her Ma-
toeerae ""raeat was not also at the head of this
tsrse . • Isle believed that
4,41,, e ring from Navinthe Hon. Gentlemen were
ttlt, ‘a(Meies nig tampered with their country
—of havin
carry
out. g premised what they never in-
Lie
read
Passaged io, smooch of
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