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reasonably, for the Heine must know that it would not
be in their power to alter a scale of duties when it had
. once been determined on in a Committee. He should then
adopt the course that would seem most suited to the
convenience of the House; namely, to state the proposal
of the Government on Wednesday next and then to
move that the proposal and its details should be printed,
pro forma, and then an early day, either Friday or Mon-
day, as should most suit the convenience of the House,
should be appointed to proceed with the discusSion. Let it
then be understood that he would open his plan on Wed-
nesday, and probably commence the diseusSion. Then,
if the House wished fur some delay—if Friday 7 should
seem inconveniently soon —let it be, understood
that on Wednesday he would propthle, kis plan
of revision, and move the printing of the
papers, and that on Wednesday they would, resume the
ttohiits.—wo(unldeabr,e
hear.)
erobest -course—and
if discussion—perhaps
die
jn.oßwua
said the course of the
,l t Hon.
was perfectly clear and proper. It w•atshteherefor
after bringing forward the plan on Wednesday,
most oe ns
tt 1e
m desirableant citii4tLs should be understood that
Members re,.
discus-
sion of the quest ion would be proceeded with(info ndFaryi-d,
ayr
would be too soon. Let, therefore, Hon. .
member that Wednesday was for the opening' of the
plan, and Monday for the discussion.—(Hear.)
THE ADDRESS.
The Earl I‘fARCII brought up
the Report on the
Address.
The Address .having been read from theol,4o,
Mr. O'CONNELL said he did not rise for the
purpose of opposing the reception of the report.
The speech was sufficiently comprehensive to in-
clude his assent to a considerable extent, and they
would all know on Wednesday • next what plans
would be proposed by her Majesty's Government.
But he had found one paragraph in the Address which
gave him some alarm, namely, that which relates to the
registration of voters. It seemed to be brought in with
some very strong design, otherwise he did not know
how that subject could have found its way into
a speech which the Right Honourable Gentleman
had himself characterised as relating to matters of
awful importance in the present state of the country.
The introduction of that topic created an alarm which
he would not have felt with respect to a Speech which
did not involve matters of such high importance. He was
sorry to perceive that there was no intention to facilitate,
in the way in which in his judgment it ought to be facilitated,
registration of voters, either by defining the nature of
the franchise when it was doubtful, or by making it co-
extensive in both countries. Either of those plans would
be quite consistent with the finality of the Reform Bill,
which he presumed to be the doctrine of the Right
Hon. Gentleman and his Government. To equalise the
franchise in the two countries would be quite consistent
with the Reform Bill—to define it when it was doubtful
would be quite consistent with the Bill, so that without
violating their principles, either mode of relief
might be adopted by the Government. He could
not but express strong apprehension in consequence
of finding the phrase single, and by itself, without
any of the means being pointed out by which a salutary
registration might be effected. He (Mr. O'Connell) never
recollected an instance when the Tory party had the
power, that they did not diminish the rights of the
Irish people. If they had the power now, they might
exercise it.—(Hear, hear.) This might be the subject
of angry discussion hereafter, and he would not now say
anything further on the subject. With every other part
of the Speech he cordially agree& •
The Address was then agreed to, and
Sir ROBERT PEEL intimated tht her Majesty
would receive it at, one o'clock to-morrow. The Right
Honourable Baronet stated that he had to ask the
House to agree to another Address, in which
lie was sure every Member present would most cordially
join, it was an address of congratulation to his Royal
Highness Prince Albert upon the auspicious event of the
birth of a Prince of Wales. He felt convinced that that ilk-
lustrious Prince had, by the course he had pursued since he
became connected with this country, entitled himself tos
and obtained, the highest respect of every Englishman--
(Hear, hear)—and he felt, therefore, no doubt that the
House would adopt the Address of Congratulation ha
now proposed to his Royal Highness with the same
unanimity as they had agreed to that to her Majesty.
The Right Hon. Baronet concluded by moving that a
loyal address be presented to his Royal Highness Prince
Albert.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that in seconding this
motion he should say nothing more than what he always
did say on similar occasions, viz.—that he felt the grt,atest
pleasure in seconding the motion.—(Hear, hear.) The
address was then agreed to, and certain Members ap-
pointed to wait upon his Royal Highness with it to-
morrow, at one o'clock.
BILL FOR THE APPLICATION bF FORMER.

GRANTS.
The CHANCELLOR of *.i.oe EXCHEQUER, rose to
move the first readiuw i;t* a Bill for the application to the
service of the 1811 of the
the two slims granted in. either of
Sessions of Parliament: 116 :said the Bill
whi':!zi he wished to present for the ikdOption' of. tho House
was of such a nature, that WI shotild ndt` detain•
them with many observations utiOil tst.' It NM arisen
from the following circumstances the' course of the
year 1841, the Ways and Means were: Voted" in two
separate. accounts, 111 the title of whiehitheyweit stated
to be for the year :1841- but in .the body Ways and
Means were appropriated. in twp different manners
for two different • services ; the consequence was,
that it became necessary to apply different sums to dif-
ferent portions of the same service, and this gave rise
not only to great inconvenience in the public ,depart-
ment, but some loss to the public revenue ; for as those.
votes that were voted:in the first session could not he made
to apply to thel SeePtal session, it was impossible that
the Exchequer bills reserved for those services cottlet be
paid off with the rapidity which was desirable. With
regard to this Bill, lie had only further to Add, that, in
introducing it, he had only followed the precedent
of the year 1831. The ditliculty having been discovered,
he thought it should be set rii;:it as early as possible.
Mr. BARING trusted that, at as early a period of
the
Seasin a* might be consistent with the public service
h., would be able to lay on the table the details eon-1
fleeted with that measure.
wouldfo
reh
atbikete cma
pr
te e tdo tgo iTnelatkhee
alniyoupsrome ever lnftrmation bee-
fore CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUX: said he
in the measum.
EMIGRATION'.
Lord STANLEY said, 41ttiough, on the part of her
Majesty's Goverument, hz could give no sanction to the
reports alluded to ty the Noble Lord who had preceded
lA4a In the Co';onial Department, as to an extensive scheme
of en''."-gration, with regard to which he had already
received from various quarters many suggestions and
schemes of the most comprehensive character, yet he
thought the House would only consider that he was dis-
charging the duty he owed to the public at large, and
to the situation he had the honour to fill, if
he took a very early opportunity in the session to
direct the attention of the House to a subject
of the greatest importance to all classes of emigrants;
who year after year, without any interposition on the
part of the Government were proceeding to distant
countries, at once relieving the mother country from a
superabundance of labour, and by transferring their la-
bour to other quarters, both by their labour and
capital augmenting the resources at the same
time of the mother country and of the colonies.
There were two subjects of the highest importance to
the two classes concerned in emigration; that is, to the
poorer emigrants and to the capitalists who were en-
gaged in promoting emigration and colonisation. The
object of one measure which he intended to bring be-
fore the House was to protect the poorer emigrants
from fraud and oppression, to which, in the present.
state of things, they were too much subjected.—(Hear.)
The other related to the inconvenience which was sus-
tained by capitalists desirous of purchasing land in the
colonies, from the fluctuations in price, especially in the
Australian colonies, and the different systems of govern-
ment and colonisation in those colonies,' lip was sure
that the House was not aware---ces.taTt;,country
was not aware—of ,the extent ~,vithout
Assistance from ithe „ ;elm)
frtipp was
proceeding ; and he was sure' that the'peri;d 4yrho had
•Oloni -bation"had. ofbilookect
undertaken mid
in t 1 instances which etinie. 14 thder" obhilrvation,
matters which vitally tiliVcied thB iiitbretedf those
ho emi rate.—(lleac.) Frotel she. rita•tisfof 04/Mgr:tut9
from the United Kingdom for the laseAkn,years, he.
found'tllat with the exception of 1.838,' when there was
. no .interruption to the emigration to Canada, the average
number of emigrants was 75,180 per annum. In the year
1840, the number was 90,700, and, in 1841, it reached.
the amount of 106,475. Now, it was wise and expedi,
ent to attempt to regulate .this large emigration, and to.
assist in conducting it. But to attempt to force it be-
yond the amount which it had reached would 1;e impo-
litic, and in reality would be injurious to those whom it
was desirous to serve. At one time it was the opinion of
the House, as regarded the vessels carrying passengers
to the colonies, that the emigrants would take care of
themselves, and that any legislative regulations were im-
politic, as they served to increase the expense to the
passengers ; whereas, the owners of those vessels, like
all other trades, if not interfered with, would rest upon
their characters, on which their success must depend.
Now the Passengers' Act had been in force for several
years before 1825, when an amended Act was passed.
But in 1827 the doctrine which he had just spoken of
prevailed, and the Act was repealed. As soon as
that was done, and the restrictions that used to be
enforced were taken off; the frauds became so numer-
ous, the abuses so outrageous, the cases of cruelty
so glaring, and the clamours so loud, that in six
months afterwards an Act of greater stringency than
the former Passengers' Act was passed.—(Hear.)
In the year 1833, when he (Lord Stanley) had the ho-
nour of last holding the seals of the Colonial De-
partment, a system was introduced by Government.
There were established at the different principle
ports of the country emigration agents on the
part of the Government, for the purpose of providing
and assisting parties desirous of emigrating, and.for thispurpose of checking the frauds and abuses whic!i
prevailed, and of giving the emigrants advice um!.
counsel. He (Lord Stanley) believed that notwitht
standing all the imperfections of the
tpreean..
system, the appointment of those
baagtelncsheckhel
been productive of great improvement,te _
d the poorer'
great abuses, and had materially protencow
the advan-
tage of emigrants. But they had
t of an experience
tage in. legislating on the subjec
• ports of those differ:
Of eight or nine years, and of the
had now a know
eat emigration agents. Those agents
Which still prevail, amt._
ledge of the principal abuses
by
which their vigilance;
of the ,principal modes
could 'my what wore tau)
was evaded ; and they existing law was dft • which the e eitnt.
points uPvn the Land and Emigration equip! .
their Report to
ears ago whttn 41, $;.. 41sslon
appointed tvvo or threes , . b'n opet was:
taken by the Noble Lord who had'pre int h eded •
(Lord Stanley), and which was addresses. to that
.ford, they had developed their yiews. 4 subsequent Re---
port had been addressed to him upen -the
subject, and that Report wits accompanied' with theC
commendation of various provisions- they