The Sun.
London, England, 1816-03-30 00:00:00

DELAY IN PRESENTING PAPERS

Mr. TlEiiNßt cOmplained, 'tlott---a7;ry ;Ivor-
taut paint for which be had moved some time
since, connected with the. dishnrsements at the
Treasury, hats not yet been laid upon the table.--
lie Sur!! that from the nature of the paper, it
might have been produced long ago, and he could
not but iegard the delay as a serious neglect t'o.
wards that House, especially when he.considered
that the transaction to Which it referred teas one
of the most important that ever came ender its
consideration.. ile'perceived thtit the-Right Hon.
Gentleman smiled at what he said ; he might laugh
nott, bqt,be would not laugh hing ; be kitew what
be meant ; and he was quite sure the lion. Gen.
tleman would 'find it one of the must difficult tasks
he ever hail, to get clear out of the hnsiOess.

.• .
The CHANCELLOR of the E•WirEQUER
tke.ie ival no official. transaction in which he was
ever enga,_!ed which he should be mord
fully to explain than the one alluded to by the
Right Houourable Gentleman—(Hear, bear !)
Mr. LUSH tx9ToN explaine:l, that it would be
necessary to accompany the paper, in vestion
with others which were requisite for its Illustra-
tion. .

Mr. PoNsostev said it was not to he borne, that
when that House ordered papers which it bought
nect:,sary, any °Cheer, conneked with the depart.
Mews trout which- such papers were to come;
should take upon himself to withhold them, till
others, which he might consider of iniportince,
were ready to be eomMonicatcd along .with
if it appeared that other papers. were
neresary, they ought 10 be moved for in that
Home, tml Ordeted in the regular way. He
appialed to file 'expeni,:nce end anthority of the
Chair, whe,iter such coOduct %vas not new in
'the practice of Parliament. There were some
papers, for instance, which had beeti,Moved tor
from Scotland; and which were not yet presented,
He could see no reason for the delay. A • mail
coach travelled front Ijontlon to Edinburgh in
three days, am(' ite sholdd think therefore they
titight have been prothicell earlier.
Mr. Lush GTO!.I said the papers front Scotland
were expecte:l to-morrow. 'the moment they at-m
rived, no Cone would be lost in laying them on
the table of the House. With respect to.: the
other papers which had been mentioned, be wish-7
eti to state that rite Treainry always gave veep-
dehey 49 papers or Ivry(' by that House, according
tv 'their dates, which he 'thought • the fairest
way of attending to .he numerous orders which
came to theni;

ttlr.l3aNswrrcomplainetlof some papers which
he had moved. for, relating to the Colonies, and
which had not yet ,been presented.
'Mr. TIBpNEY said, in order to.marlt
Lis iisep-
probatiou of the delay, he should move that the
paper ordered by that House, containing the
items of the contingent charge incurred by the
Lords of the: Tre:mity up to the lit of January;
1815. and Out yet presented, should be laid on the
table fort h ith..;--Ordered.
Lord PALstansToN laid upon the table Esti-
mates of the tali Officers and Royal ‘Vat;gon
Train.

OFFICE OF POST-MATTER GENERAL.
IlitouGUAM btleed to know from the Right
Hots. Getiticum opposite, whether Lord Cleo-

tiriy, during the titnt! theft he hehl 0:e oft-t; ref
urea
,rGettitiemitst!t,etittqiitt. itineyver :;fatotitc7:e:ttutligt;
(bit depArtment ?--Nrianitver utas given. •
M Snini 'nfter.rose And said, that
as no ans*er had befit returned to his question,
he moved, " That there be laid before the Hume
a return or the number of days that Lord Clan-
early had attended at the Post-office as Post-
Master Getieral;' and of the! number of papers
officially signed by him ; also, the date of Ills an,
pointment to that -office, together with the
aintmot of salary that had been paid to him (lure
ing the time that he had helif it."
The ellANCELLOnoithe'Excnectunß said, that
the lion. and Learned Gentleman who sobmittell
this motion, very re:il knew that it was "or
for thePost-Masterkieneral to take any sit?, re in
the trattslction of the business of that Dpart.,
inent, The same return might be moved for as
to the other-Post-Master General, urns to the Pay-
Master General. The only object of the motion
in thii instance seemed to be, to obtain an an-

wet. to the question witielt tilt lion. Hod Learn&
ea Gentleman had put ; therefore he wpuld State
iu answer, that the Noble 1.,0rd alluded to had
never attended Alter this statement,
lie hoped the Hon. Gentleman wonld"withdrenv

motion. He concluded by moving the' pre-
vious question.
_

Loral CASTLEIMIGH wished the House to ~;n-
derstand, that the Nobre Lord alluded to had re-
ceived no emolument whatever for his services .oti
the Continent. lle had.continned.these services
tor a lottoime, and by the ability with which
he had executed them, had Hi4inly cowEinuted
to those arrangements with respect to 801 l old
which the country had hailed with so much satis-
faction. Only the mere actual expettres of his
mission had been defrayed, and the Noble 14ora
personally. had not received any remuneration
whatever ; but had Itthen gratuitously nlaut►"hiin the duties of an arduous and highly ICSptill•
sible situation.

Mr. Ls.sv understoad, from the very hest prl-
v4te authority, that Lord Clancarty had bec►t<
allowed for tl►e expenses of his mission only
the excess of those expense; over and above his
private meats.

Mr. Rose bore testimony that he had nester
known a man more zeelotis and eager in the dis-
charge Of his public duties than the Noble Lord
in question. It such a return was made to the
House as that moved for, it miglit,only state, that
the Noble Lord had attended a certain nuniber of
times, whereaslie Inight have been tactually em-
ployed in the discharge of his duties without at-
tending-at the Post Office, and when the merely
officiol details were transacted by a clerk. ,
Mr. BROUGHAM said that nothiag, could he
,More satisfactory than the explanations which had
begin Made, ire couseenenee of his nro:ion ; they.
were much More satisfactory than if his motion
bad been regreed to. He meant nothing invidious
againt LOrd'Claecarty; an exposition us to the
nature of theoffice which he held, was ell that he
wished. It ;seethed to him the utmost extrava-
gance to spend the public money on salaries for
offices to which' no duties were attached. In the
case now before the Holum, the individual who
.held the office Was ahroadaliseharging other du-
ties, so that it was impossible that lie could per-
lam any service to the public., in an office for
:which be had a large salary. 'The statements of
the Noble Lord opposite, and the Hon. Gentle-
man (Mr. Law), as to the way in which the cx-
pences of Lord Clencarty's mission had been paid,
were very different ; but he was convinced that
the Noble, Lord's statement was a correct one,
anti that Lord.Clancarty would rather have ail the.
expenses of Itis 'lnisaipti paid, so:that the pollie
mieht have the benefit of his Lordship's uhilitia'
and, riegociations for nothing—which, in the case'
at such an arrangethent of a foreign mission„
might perhaps he overpaid awl in other cases no-
lietcrmi4l.—(a laugh.) The Safest bargain thet tt
Niblister could :Make was to have a carte blancht
for sendine-his hills to the Treasury. It appeared
that Lord7Clancarty's whole expeurseS lied been
paid, so that jo this'respect lie was as well off as
any other li.oreign Minister. As to the office at
Postmaster Generel; it was quite evident that it
was one of those %Odell the House, iu'lnlfilnient
of its pledge to retrench every superfluous expense,
ought to-abolish entirely.
Lord CAsTLERBAGH. The case of Lord Clan.,
eurty's mission was the same its all the other,
called " epeeial missions !" in which it had al-.
• ways been usual to pay all the expellees except
those of a personal nature. The Hon. Gentle 4
man opposite represented Lord Uantarty as en-
joying his salary a$ Postmaster General while
abrOml, 'add witen it was impossible for !lima&
transact any otln of the' duties of that offiee,,--.
But it was to be re:::ollected that the labour of
that Noble Lord while abroad had been as great
or greater than they could otherwise have been,
The Attendance at the Post-olliee was no criterion
by which to judge of the husiutss done by the
Post Master General, as it was not at the otijee
that the duties of his office weed to he perforstretL
Hut Lord Clencarty, at the same time that he wait
Post Master General, held a situation in the Board
of Trade, to which a most 'trifling SOWN was
teched,--one totally inadequate t•o - the Wen-leas
and responsible nature of the office. it w
possible that the duties of the Noble Lord's offi(_•:e,
in the. Rom tt of Trade, could be discharged
out a salary equal to that of the Post Master Ge-
neral.

Mr. BATtING Mt it his duty to say, that no per-
son had evil. filled the Rititatirin held by Lord Chu-
carty, in the Board of Trade, who performed the
duties with so much ability, or gave such general
Satisfaction.' But at the same thne it was better
to attach a proper salary to offices, the duties of
which were impnrtant..
Mr. BR9UOIIAISI objected to the system of re-
munerating persons who held responsible offices,
by giving them other otliees in which they had no
duties to perform, but received a large salary. He
would withdraw his motion.
Mr. BATHURST Said, that since Mr. Burkc's Bill
had passed, there tvas no other way of reinituat.
rating persons in such situations unless Pariht-
!tient would increasethe salaries attachell to atom
situations to an amount roletitiate to, the labour
and responsibility required in them. •
Sir J..NENVI'U',VT thought it extremely proper,

increase tlie salierkS o
fo.a` Koper amount, and total!
abolish those.' hat were useless. The. SOollet the
proceeded to -do ~this, ti ,e better. ;:'•
The motion was then ‘vithdrawth
- ' DANK ADVANCE BILL •
The CTIANCELLOR of the KlcClietitielt 'having
moved the third reading ,of the •Bank Ad.‘',vt.ec
Mr.; GRIMPELL observed, that neithettbe Chan-
'er'slor of the Exchequer nor the Bank of England
'bad attempted to deny those facts which, he bad
brought forward, and which were recorded in
•figures on the Journals 01 the House. This be-
tug the 'case, .he could not allow this Bill to pass
,wit hoot an explanation of the principles oo %Oki;
he had acted ni thismnestion. The Honourable
ccutteman then repeated his arguments upon the
subject, maintaining that, by the arrangement
tvlijcli he proposed. respecting advances by the
Think, And deposits in it, 240,0001. mitila be saved
to the public. fly what had already been done
by Parliament, the annual slim of 100,0001. was
saved to the public. . He was glad to hear that Rll
Honourable Priend of his intended to call the at-
tention:of the House daring this Session, to the
immense 'stint psid to ihe Bank fur the ma!lage.
•,;•,‘•the Nat lopal. pebr., • . Among the prospec-
tive advantages from the discussions on this sub-
iect,lie contemplated the participation of the pub-
'lie in the profits derived. by the Bank from the Re-
strictio,l Act. •• ,
. Mr. Ft:4I.AV thought that the situation to semen
the public stood with relation to the Batik of Eng-
land, :was neither more nor. Jessthan that of pay-
•laige sum for the matagemi`nt of its own
tiv 'lt scented to him, that-by the Bill. the
public wets exposed to snit unnecessary expence of
240„000t, owing to the amount of the balances
Of public money remaining in the hands of the
Plink, mid winch ought tube withdrawn.
The.CitANoitt.t.ou of thes'Exco LOA' Clt saitl,,that
tit it time when the sum of 6,000,0001. woo re-
quired tor .the public service, the Bank had ad-
vanceillt at a lower rate of interest. than it coull
have been obtained in any other way, and without
the disadvantage of ti ?pressure On the money mar...
ket, but even adding to the:circulati9n. In .this
transaction the sum of 60,0001. a-,year,ltad been
saved•to the public.. Certain. ailvantages were se-
cured 'to the. Bank by. Acts ~of Parliament, with
references to the amount of balances of the
,puhlie.
money in its Itandsl' but there was nothing lit
Bill to:prevent any itf the public money , being
withdrawn from the Bank, . which, could, now be
Withdrawn , conformably to Acts. of ,Parliament.
o`tv. iri force.
Mr. FIN 1,,,ey explained.
Mr:Bow:sot:ay tiaid,: that the ~l,3anlc,having great
advantages secured to it by Acts Of Patlittment4
it ~vas• ttikiefore the duty of the Chancellor. of the
ENehetyier to make a; btu r bargain foi7the public;
the the Chuncellor of the ESel!ctiota ought not
to have mask the array) tenient with the il.iank for
the 'advance of 6;000,0001. without applying :to
the:flouse, becauLse• nothing hut the llottsc ot.
Con,nnins eould be a ntateh for the Bank ull,rfing,
land in toteh a case ; that he was as averse as, any
man/ from doing any thing .to Injure the stabiliiv
ul tLe Hank ; bat, •at the samie Citric, lie Wished
tile public to have full juittive ,tbat of, this
6;000,00U1 •in. reality not one shilling .q.tis the
prontety of the liankl and that therefore he found
it, his thity,to give it negative to the Bill,
Yottxt remarked, that if the profits
Of t Wink were so • enormous as they •were
stated to be. it was strange that the proprietors
of the Bank did not find it in the, amount of their
di v n

Lott{ ,FoLicsrotge Ihottgla that the Batik of
Einglund sho'tdd be treated, with respect LO the
untnageinent of the public, in the- same Way us
ltt ivate Gentlernen Managed , with , their Bankers,
wlOch was hy paying it tonimitsSion for' the ne.
gociation of Money ti,-auSactitms, and receiving
interest on balances left, in tftssir band* when 'ttieY
exceeded a ; or by 'hiving their mo-
tley rmlB ictjous negoeiated for nothing, ant re.
veiving no interest tot.' any balances in the banker's
l,ttnilti. The profits of the 11.:nk were now n•
tnorn.ents; that there were serious grounds to en
tel those apprehensions ,which keen 6:-
Vl'ooo so long ago US when
_the Charter of the
Itank bad been granted, that the money accumu-
lated by the BACIN Might amount to such u sum as
to endanger the.safety of the Government.
Mr, P; Moons thought, .that as the amount of
the balances in the hands of. the Bank were ad-
!timed to be so enormous,: it would bc, the duty
of the [louse to grant the supplies for the tide:
rent departments of (lovernment, dedncting.from
the amount of the Estimates, the .sums remain-
a9 a balance in the Bank of England, for each
deturtment., If this Bill passed, he wank! eonsi.
.der it a'polit'ical bribe,to the Bank of.lingland„—
tie thortght. I he.dmy ..the-Chrmeollorof. the EA--
otquer tears to. brim;-iii a Bill to render, available
,the balattee, in the hands of the •. •
Mr. I,rlttvtytNci said, `that in 1800, when the
Clvirter tenes.VCd, the subject of the'protit‘
which it dyrived front the management ofthe nub-
lie money 11.0 l been fully discussed, and the fair
t-totoora ,s-inctioned by Aets.of Parliament. He
3;t(11 110 wound for the assertion of the Him. Gen-
'4-teman, that the bargain• tiVade hrtiovernment
was extravagant. The allowance made to the
111Ank for the otanageitterit of the Pablic Debt was
"'very Moderate.' --It did not amount to npwards of.
3501, per million, for the first 400 milliont., It
'skew on decreasing:Bo'es, arid bevOnd 600 mil-.
.Tion3 it. was reduced to 3001. per million. ,
Sir, J, I\l“wVort contended, that the Chancellor'
of the I,!,,xclicquct had not made a good bargain for
the pubFc. lie was convinced; Itowever, that the
tow ;4.lvPitages whieli, he had oh rained resulted
„from the exertions of his Hon: Friend (vii •
fell) 1..t,t Year. Nay,. he bad no doubt, that on.
Sreconnt of the Present dir,cussions, the Chancellor
of the Exchequer would he 'able to• procure still
lunar term! horn the 11.hdt iii, hi-; next ult,godA
fion. 'tliflt rept:Atmd the st at enient
in We w tir former nialit, that the advance made.
'hy the Prlnfi, under Mr. Pitt, without interest,'
ctifisi et!' of only'three that
,was
vvrLogiy;repres;:titetirt.3 rhearno'unty4 the ti-tlances
flan itAnds of the Bank. flail it been known

the SAIIIB amount tvonut 1.. it, Leca dem,lnded 01
obtained.

. .
Mr. NEWMAN, regette i slneerdy, 4bOt it was
not in his power to retu •ti thanks to tke Chair.
cellor _the Exchequer !Air the bargain which he
bad concluded. The all having been read a
third One,
The Cumgcnt.tlett of ExtititAuttai before it
should pilss, moved as star Aniendme)4, that the
words in the preamble of the Bill,..front line tile
411 to line the Sgh, " Whereas the Goyernor and
Company at the Batik of ,England tire now pos•
sessed of divers slims of motley arising from
balance of public accountskept at the Bank," to
" and are willing, and have agreed to advance,"
&c. be omitted. _ _

Mr.'GstetaeLL would take the sense of the
House upon this Amendment. Ile had introthiced
those words into the preamble of the Bill, when
the rept-in of the Committee had been brought up,
.after having shown them to the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, who had said that he did not object
to them, but advised him to apply in the Gover-
nor of the Bank, That he had tlone, end' the
Governor had expressed iw objection tQ them.—,
The only remark which he had made was, thnt the
amendment !would cut 'both ways, lie had con
set:pettily brought it before the llonse the Go-
vernor of the Bank"had retired tit:tore the subject
had come on, and the words had been adopted
without any proposition. But now, after haVing
had a communication with the Govetnor of the
Bank, the Chancellor of the Exchequer moved
that they should be rescinded. posiitt.ll in
thatmotion, he would, lower the dignity of the,
office Which he filled, anti would degrade the.
House.
Alr: MY-List+ stated that when the Hon. Gen-
tleman had given hint a copy of his Intelult:d
amendment, he had expressed a strong objection.
Ile had taken it home, however, not thinking
that the WO would come on. that night. Sur-
prised at finding it introduced into ,the preamble
of the Bill, he had been, informed by the Hon..
Gentleman, that the Chaneelldr of the Exchequer'
had no objection to' it, providol he should row-
stilt the 'Governor of the Batik. Ilsy the Chancel-.
'tor of ihe Exchequer, on the other,hand, he was:
assured, that I,e (the Chancellor of the Exehe»
quer) had unth:ritooci front the. Hon. Gentleman
that the Governor of the Bank hail no objection
to the insertion of thoac words. Ile complained
of them hecnusethey lave an Lx7parte view of the
question.
PoNsontlY: Called upon every Gentleman in
the Howe-, nit especially upon the independent
Country 11lembers, to state whether he was not
right iu %Olaf be tenet said, that the Chac.cellor of
the Etchequef was no Mat Ch With the Kink of
England io• nt:i4ittg a barg,tin. Alter 'h'aving
agreed tO the insertion ut Cell:lilt WOOS In the
preatithic of the litl4i oceanic he found they were
not agree:All to the Govt tuor of the Bank- of
Ev;;lA!tri., wluult lie rather seemed to treat as the
Governor of the `COuntry, he Cline to the House
and asked,' that they
,should be. tt pwiged ! Vas
nutAiip.a proof nf the ne influetice which the
Bank t.:.•t!l"C;lied Men' lie hoped thi Howe
ernisiti tun disgrace t hemsehes.by expunging those
, • ~

Mr: MELLtsu explained. •
thooKht, the tone of indignation
'of his Ilou. Friend Misplaced. The Bill ti as
merely for at tying into etreet a bargain between
the Governuient and-the Bank, and why should
any .alarm be felt at its lwuog settled in a manner
satisfactory :to the parties concerned in it, lie
thOught the
.Governor of the Bank jostified in ob-
jeeting to the wnrds in question as a party state-
lama. It inserted, then the smile privilegeshould
he Allowed to the Bank Li) state its Own ease also
in the preamble.
Mr. Rost: %vas, confirmed by 'what now took
Place, ii.l) 114 d long enter-,
taintd,•that 'long preAtubfeswiae YCl'y. bad things.
If a ‘var of words Were to' be allo'n'ed, however,
it should he equally fair on both.sides.
TiftltN,BY regretted the deity ‘vlbien the
present oliseussion occasiiited'in more iwportant
bosious. fie: contended that since the substance',
%vas given tip to the 'Bank, A declaration of it
might at least bp stiffered to appear he prn-
'anible. The Chancellnr of tile Exchequer, with
his usual good breeding, agreed to it, hitt the hard
hein'ted Governor of the Bank would not 1110%v it,
anti wished to make it appear, • that the advance
was oucof mere generosity and public spirit oti
the part of 'the Bank.- -So that; afthough by a
clause in the Bill, Parliament was to he bound tip
leave.the balances in the.hamis of tine Bank, yet
the fact was not permitted to be stated without
any inference in the preamtde. This was 'a
frivolous cavil on the part of theliank", which
would yiela them no other advanage than to
aliew the superiority which they possessed over
the unfortunate and good-natured' Chancellor of-
the Bei:her:per:
Gota CASTLEREAati considered, that the words
in themselves were not of great htquitlance a
,611 t
that the Bank stood pledged toWards its peoprie-
'tors, to execute the bargain, such as it hed'heen'
approved by them; The.: dignity of thi House
coal! not be concerned iu varying ,a point of
form, when the substance of time bargain hail al-
ready met with the approbation Of Parliament.
Alter few words from Mr. bouGt.As and ?qtr.
PINLAY, the (11ANCliLLOA of the EXCIIIIQUEIA
and Mr. GRUNYI4I. explained, and the I/Ouse di-
vided.
.For. tlic Amendment ' '11E;
Against it
- Majority tar Al iaiders —440.
COMMITTEE Or SUPPLY—NAVY ESTIMATES.

. Oti the motion.Of the A NetILLO it of the Ex.
'CIit:“..LTER, that. the.. Huttse' resolve itself into a
Committee of Supply,
Mr. Fottnes. %visited to 'make a few prelititinary
observatiotts on the inequality which existed be-
tween the sitnati9o of the Officers Of the Navy,
and .those of the Army. He did oat grudge what
the army arid
but lie thought the liottie.and-the Cotitttry would:
join him in that-'the Officers- iii-the; Navy
be p!,14.:i741 nti. t it 33,ftjc. fmkting its those of the
ArMy. if a Naval ()flied. obtained a pension of
:1001. in conseliteuee at wnunds- equal to the loss
'of atleg, he would be.sutijegt to it reduction
would bring down.his petliion to 2501. Thistle-

.. 110: -- !

There were other such ns the loss OF
baggage, either by. capture ur thipuTeck, fo
which Officers in the Ann), receiver! au tillowilince,
which was denied to the Navy. Tilt: sums Wits
the case With trVellitig charges, which were
granted In the Artily, arid not in the Navy. The
non. Gentleman then went on to Show thb disatl-
:vdioaget under Which Naval Officers laboured,
from the" want of. their pay while on diitant tti
reign Stationsi and.from the losses arising by the
course of. exchange. He coutrasted the difference
between the advantages of Surgeons in the Army
and Navy, contended that the allowances of the
Pursers on their discharge were intuletptate, and
conelnded with intreatine the noose to consider
the hind cases of all the Officers he had deieribed,
and to do justice 1b them by equalising their ad-
vantages with those of the Officers of the Army:
Sir G. HOPE .said he would not detain the House
at:present. When it went into the Committee,
he should be perfectly ready to. meet 'the Ilan.
Member on the various topics to which he had

Adiniral MARKHAM begged to remind ids Hon.
Friend, that the matters now brought forward
were mot in the Estimates at all. .11e Should have
'thererore thought that some answer would have
been given by a Member of the Admiralty to the
well-founded complaints now made. If the Of-
ficers of the Navy were not in an oppressed
sitUn-
tion; which he maintained they were, tlien'let the
Admiralty show it : but, instead of that,'ool One
%vont of answer had been given to the complaints.
brought forward by the Hon. Memher. The
hardships tinder which Midshipmem•labonrcd had
been detailed. Would the Admiralty give no.con-
sideration to the case of th'ose who Mere not in-
cluded in the late promotion? What was'the situ-
lion, for instance, of a Midshipnitnr‘vho b nt been
wounded ? lie h!ol a pension i.but if "Hummed to
a Lictitenatucy, then he lost that pension.—(No,
no,(coin the opposite side of thellouse.) It it
was not so, then let the. Admiralty'ex;plain how it
was : he anxion.ily-expected from them s.mie
'ply to, the welkfountled uomilaints that had been.
made.

Sir G. Irore contended, that the cobject with
regard to pensions nliAlit he discusied in the Com-
mittee.

The noose then went into the Committee,
when-;-

The''CIIANCO,LOR of the Excartatte4( moved the.
several Stotts of 154,5441. for paying oft the inte,
rest of:A winities grAni.cd wide, the Loyalty Loan,
and 92,1841. for paying half-a-year's iilterest on.
the tunas raised by debentures iu 1816, and not,
funded. Agreed to..
Sir IL said, the questioa of half,
pay and allowances could only he diseased in the
niittee, acid they woold Arrive' at that head
presently. Nobody would be more'alive that; the
Adfiiiraltp tc) the distinguished services tit those
indivitfuals alluded to. He should propose a He-
solution for salaries, the amount of Asitich wits a
of 15501. owing to a vacancy which
was not intended to be tilled up, and the erasing
of tlie'llusiiieSs of Registrar. of Poldie Securitiaa.
to be done by certain Clerks. . His Resoktion
was for it'grant of 82,6081. for salaries end con-
tingent expellees of the Navy Office for 1816.
aoverlo Mr. WARRB,
CROKNI stilted, that rite witidicr,of clerks
would be materially reduced in the Navy, -Admi-
ralty, and Victualling 011iees, as• soon as all the
slii hail arrived and were, paid oil
Mr, Vegeta:l,ol:V sairl, that lie • had very little
hopes..of any retrenchatent taking place iii the
Navy Establisllntents. The expence* of the Civil
•Establishment was greptcr..thall 1n tiny, year since
1811. This expence very easily ard safely
be diminished. lie proved ibis twat compari-
sons, will yearst(soch as 1797 T whep-the .Naty
F,stimat es amounted to la millions, add When tlie
civil expetiCes were mitelt mealier than now, when
the ITholeotthrse estimates 311161111ted to no more
tiara nine millions and a half. Eteit when• the
11Vstimates of the civil branch ot the Navy 'vas but
36,0091. considerable reductions were rectoutnend•
ed by the Commissioners of Inquiry.
Sir it WAiittr.NDrit said, That the civil, expenses
of the.plavy hail always increased even by t tie one.
tion Of discharging the licit. There •had been
rent ;r redactioosia this branch of the service,
cotripared with the last year of the war, than took
place in 1803, compared with the year preceding
that period, which wits the hest of. the war also.
He claimed credit to the Admiralty for not having
appointed'a CommiSsioner when an office of that
description became vacant 18 montlis•••itgo. lie
• defended the appointment of a third 'Surveyor, to
visit the • duck-yawls, (while the other two
.were
obliged to remain in town, to be 11l communica-
tion witlr.the Admiralty), as a measure •of strict
econoMy, as being necessary to watch over the
public prOperty.
' Sir J.' I'. IVERESFORT) contended, that the ships
now laid up ought to
.be repaired inimediatelv,
wherwise they. wt idd become so rotten as not to
be in a state to receive any repair whatever..

I.),GRA,NT wished to know what reason
there could be for increasing salaries since 1815.
The Receivner of Fees had received an increase of
1-511 of his salary. salaries of theother Clerks
had also been increased ; for what reason he did not
knowJhe Surveyor of Buildings had been increased
from 6001. to 7001. a-year. Three Draftsmen to
Surveyors had been increased from 001. to 40501.
s-year, No persons' in their senses would have
fixed on the present period to increase those-sa-
laries, even if they had been thought deserving
of increase. It was not, in his opinion, a system
of profOsion—it seemed to him to be a system
bordering' on insanity, and adopted for the pur-
pose of insuiliug the peoplelof this country.
Mr. CHOKER contended, that in no former in-
stance had thcre been a diminution of these Eisti-
mates in the first year attic peace, as compared
with the lust year of the war. Until an increase
was made to 'the sentries of the Clerks; they ave-
raged 1901. a year each In the Navy Office, and
1701. a year in, the s' icluelliog Office. Such sal
ries were .inalletinate to maitortin men who held
sitieitious of considerable trust and responsibility.
tie hoped the House twat not Welk it 'very ex-
trav49allt to ghe an increase. of 30001. a year to
be divlin,.dareong'2oo meritorious officers.
Mr: TrytiNty hAtt been -atr increase
in these Estimates 'of 20,0001. over those of

•'
:

ird rierMSCIY o:anti aVer which he flirt oat
?t)nsitlet es N veer 4f tuiv;'.l war.. ikto3there
%vie sit ekpeetatiOn, of stei• 4rekiitings dot. irpin
Attity, It *as, kherefOre, tell him he
lola tailed in his argitment, bpi coiiiparing t 4 pre.
sent Wtithitet with those of that petiod..
Right hats. Gentlenutt 'repeated his opinion, that
if these gstonates tvere sifted td the bottom, a
vast savitig might be made. Ile Arai arca lass to.
conceive why now there were tti he ten Com'mis=.
:loners and three Sorveyors of the Ni .whilst,
forinerly there wee only eight Contaiiisioners end.
tv.-0 Sitrveyors.
. ,
- Nr. CttQKFR, in reply to Oie lied. Gentlediani:•-
contended, that the argument lie lied aced wait
fallacious throughout ; that It invariably beeti
the case, that a first tear of peace had been mord
expensive thin a last year .of war ; and to prove':
this fact, he proceeded to compare the Estimate§
of different years: The IllAieurattle Gentleiita4
then proceeded to ctitument on die ohjectiong
which the Right lion. Oenflettutnhad.,tnatie in del
tail, and especially on the increase
emiunis.,
limier at the Navy Board; and here Mr. Croker:
said that, in cotnutenting on increase of onO
Commissioner at the Navy Board, seven had been
pot down at the Transpoit IS:lard, and, lie Cer4
tainly looked forward to still groater redaction in
the next veer; butt ite never irmdd,eouserll to a,
reduction of the Surveyors of tile N:ivy, since
Will convinced that the third StirVeyor, at a salary
of 10001. a year, had, in a leN years, saved
tine
country hundreds of thonsandi•
Sir 3. NEwPottr thought sic;?:;e re:kn.:Con ,
,ho
take place. j
r.F, e.!
Sir J. S. YOR thou O
w
thought, if . Epecco 0.
,
Hon. friencl.had nut convinced fientleineti.o;l!),,-.
'site, neither would they be convinced even
addressed by Moses aod the Pri lie itc.4.
fended the Admiralty -Hoard, mat etnitettded, dist
such was the economy which prevailed iu ti,it
Partmettt, that not single stalling, was spent
till
it had been lookert.at on both sidrs.
MA'atillA:.l contended that a variety ok.
reductions Might be made.
Mr. ti.~r,tNG niavetl that the Resnlutinn should
and the itesolution Was agreed to.
. .
The Chairman then reported progres. antl,ol)
touted leave to sit again on Montlay.—Adj.itiftiv4
at half-past Two. • •

FooTrans.—The following hist atter of pers°l"l
cottiage lately rook !thee Serj. Cu S
lifthe lit battalion 95111 re,ialt:ct, on the.:ectttl'"
. service. Nit/Mat/at Wit 6 returning 'lllll3.
Glpicester, where he had been to pass reemil, ice
was attacked at- Onnerese Cross, between 1‘41147
elticreli and :Monmouth, by 3 men, who, rtisl"l4
oliOn him from 0 bye-lane, tfeutande Ills "1""Yi
or his life. a soldier wh,i 3,50tt-ttv
with the heroes ot his regiment at the siegiti-01134-
dojos tind Itothigo, such N cirot 1"".1 1/4'
11'Oituicl.t i 1 it r nml cis otte of the tim:e
hlow at his• head with a bliti.-gei;u, be patr;ed "
stills a ',taut walkiag-stick, Itticl'afteivs.artis shiftifr4
it, 'he knocked clown a sceitt;clt with hi, ti-it
claimitig, as he sosii.ied a alskile appei,delo. in
his iigituetttals, id. Stop till Itty rirly came tql,
:mil rob us altogether:" whit it the ttllotol
toak•ta their heels, o,al made off is ith all i)miii*
speed,triving-the 'snlaier itninuiested. the
(kr of the way io Monmouth.
, Tuestity even:Jr:,
:qr. A AIION icspsetJUh: :IletChallt iu -Th!',
Bigimpegat,.,aret t
tietanget:OCllt, threw himself, 'nit ot. a %rindo%":4•
titv gutool floor on the payment, ,vlKre,r
sLiifJ
,wasHilre.adfully fractured, and se*yol 9:
bo;TH hrokeii. (Ye lingered iii.geratplo till
tvt o'clock the full° wit)g night, when be I....xpircd'

. , METEOII.OLOGICAL .iOl.lltNAk
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Thermometer.
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We.illier.
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Plelli'. 4e7"-----70' 41 42 sa .4041 t, i".'':---T"7--'? 112' fair
ra,',1,1r..1;
17 32 32 17 27 29.91' 1)o. 14401
13 .30 '4O .40 40 30.10 no.t cOf
19 . 40 41 :46, 30 30.00 .02 Cloudy ---1"• .
no;
,20 42 42 44 44 .10
21 41 4:1 45 42 .11 il).:i.r t:1''':1111
Laic
22 45 42 -01 '4o' .20 .01 ' Ito. . „
.23 43 44 50 al ' .30,, , v(i. '''
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' ' 1' A little Rain in the Eienini ' after Fair. ..,,
t Snow in the 4-thernoon, change to llain. in the .}.:Venlus
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Ships at Market.
II Neweahtle..
Su ittlerlawd.

hlAorii
Sbitis sold.
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to R.

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DllerHi.
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On Thursday last, her Royal:Higliness ti Duchess's of.
leans was safely delivered of a daughter, at the 'Duke. et 1-":
leani's house at l'aickenhasi.
. Al Osna4rack, the Lally. of Colonel H. Halkett,K. G. to c't
a, san. .-
' - Tuesday ntorninc, it Phelan's-hrldge, in the County Walet;
fithi, the wife of Valriiiine Downey, 44. out, pm and tbilr
daughters—nwe.rer and children are likely to do Willi
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