The Sun.
London, England, 1820-06-08 00:00:00

41 19 .tno4lnemt in Cut *ulterior of the toGntry,
leas one of the triiineroua little accidents which
most occur to create dilay.io prosecuting an in-
quiry of this ,nature. He who thought less than
eight months would terminate the affair deceived
binself egregiously. And even if it were only
four, he entreated them to spare the Country the
tariokv, the agitation, and vexation tbat must re-
stilt even for till time He now came to state
the mentier in which her 111ajesiy had been neared
whilst abroad. It was not, he eekitowl 'deed, a
matter of strict right to pray for her Majesty;
bet the consequence of striking her Ma-
' jesty out of the Liturgy ,ryas the signal for
nt.glect arid instil, nu the !girt of the Episco-
palian power in whole territories sire happeued
to be at the rinse this was eotie, et mu iii-
etantly withdrew from her :‘,l-ijesty the Gear(' or
Iloimor, which till then pile had b:•eri
From :his acid front malty other similar it''.3tances
insult and . inconveutence which her ,liWj sty
seffered ill cousequettee of the oegleut of her o.vo
country, it seemed strange that she should have-
been I r COW We ortgieally to go to the Conti-
rent, because vot being oil let uis of alnl7 y with he;
Royal Cou,ott, she was unable to go to Court it;
Ii r own conni y objeclioo would be obei-ited
lit tweigia kingricens. The lion. duo LedirprO
Oen-trio, In C.DCl.l‘loti, s..)i),i'l.Ved, 11141 isei
bad commended lllrll to call tor fair, lull,- amid
nifen ex.atuitrarion. The speedier anti ampler it
r, a.:, the more she would be sari' it d. That the
examination should be short. he (tlr. Brougham)
tett' ; and, if it was to be made, he, for that
reason said also, the sooner the better. But her
IThejesty pi or est s 'against sect et instlt utitans, which
slliedier it be called a Grand Jury, .a Secret Tribu-
nal, or an luvisiWe Tribunal, her Majesty calls on
' that body to la her see its procreditig, and hear
the witnesses. And I also, Sir, (continued the
Holt. arid ',earned Gent.) as a Member of this
171,itisP, call upon it before it goes one step further,
to neigh well all the circumstances I have sub-
mitted to it. My last prayer, and the last wish
that I breathe is, lbau the uegociations may not
be harken off al at once ; arid that it it be pos-
siole pill any way to spare the country the pain of
this inquiry, it will be far worthier of Iris Majes•
ryes Ministers. to take tha• course, than roconti-
nue in their piesent one merely for sake the of
showing their skill in successfully steering clear
of diiiicultits of their present sit.uation.—(Coo-
tinned, Clieering.)
Mr. CANNING never rose with rncre pain,and
ItlifEc.ilty than on Ibis iiccasiors. He agt etal with
every syllable which had been uttered by the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman as to the miscliievons ef-
fects which were likely to ensue from pursuing
the inquiry. He gave the Learned Gentleman full
credit fur being sincere and zealot's in endeavour-
ing to manage the affair by ovgociation. He
denied that tire blame of the failure of th4t ne-
gociation was to be attliblited to the Govero-
ment. If tire terms offered were such as at
the fir'tt blush appeared oLvioutly 'ruff for
tine Queeta's acceptance, why were not the mo-
difications now hiuted at by the Honolirable and
Learned Gentleman propos. I to Government be-
fore breaking off the treaty i Wlry was that step
advised arid taken, which, as it was declared,
Acotild at 011C1 put an cod to all negoci.tion ? lie
defendeel the explanation given to the conditions
'which had beet) offered by fjord Castlereagh. -lie
contended that there was toe inteotion of dimi-
nishing her Royal dignity in those offers. The
limn which Merl been proposed was one. which had
been settled upon on past occasions. the
amartiege took place, the Act secured the Princess
of IVales a4ointure of 50,0001. on the death of
the Prince. 'fire same 811111 load been settled on
bet. in 1814-i and the death of time King bail alone
made it nrcessary to introduce to the House an-
other pecuniary arrangement respecting her. The
Right Hon. Gent. expressed considerable disap-
pointmerit at the defeat of the negociatiou which
bad been attempted, and touch more disappoint-
ment at tire deetaratio:.s which had accompanied it.
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite bad
been pt)' into possession of the plan of Ministers,
and he (Mr. C.) had felt no doubt that when

Mr. Brougham set off for St. thnei's, he had

carried with him such instructions and terms

es must of necessity lead to a satisfactory con-
clusion. Ilis surprise was great at hearing
that the negociatiou was broken off. Ministers
had been blamed for this. The House was linle

prepared to hear what he WaS about to tell them.
Government bad in the commencement of the ha-

silicas made one false step. They had listened to'
a communication made to them in secret ; of

course that condition precluded Them from winking
known the name of the party. All the stepslvhich
bad since been taken had been the suggestions
contained in that communictilion. They had been

asked how it could ever enter into the heads of

Ministers !o ofr-r wit 'elms; and all the terms
were such es hAd been proposed to them through

this chanitti

lie was little prepared to hear of

the sudden indignation of the Qoeen at these
terms, which be had received such good rea •
sops to expect would be graciously receiv-

ed. He was more sttt prised still to learn the
pre• conceived resentment against those terms
which had been avowed by the Honourable and

Lea, !led GentleinAti oppo,l;e.

Ile entered in,o

a defence of tl►e conditions which had brew

proposed. lie had before had the honour of
being consulted by the Quern in 1814, as to
the proposal which was then made to her to

quit the country. He ha►i advibed her, undrr
an the circumstances, that she would find her-

self more happy abroad than she could possibly he
in England, arter such irreconcileable displeasure

as herpresencehadexcited in her illustrious Con.

tort. He would give the same advice now ; and
why did he give this advice before ? Because he

Saw at that time that faction had tn4rked her

tir its own— (Cheers from the Ministerial

side)—because be perceived that she would

become the rallying point of political intrigue
—(Loud cries from the Opposition Benches)—
and of disaffection. Had any thing transpired
since, or was there any thing observable in the
conduct of the present business which could reason-

ably induce him to alter that opinion So far from
it that he felt that opinion to he now entirely
corroborated. As long as bis Majesty acted as
Begent, as long as he continued to exe►cise a

vicarious authority, no consideration would have

induct 3Gorernment In advise or countenance the
agitation of this question ; but on the demise of hi.
late and the accession of his present Majesty, it as-
sumed a new aspect. and things could no longer
stand still. The erasure of a name from the Liturgy
did tipt necessarily imply an indignity or degra-
dation to the subject of the change. The Duke
of Cumberland was always prayed for in the
miblic service (luting the reign of George 11. ;
he supposed that on the accession of George HI.
he continued the some respected person as he
was before, but his name was thenceforth omit-
ted. In the present instance, the omission was
a pats of the arrangement contemplated at
he time it was resolved on. The decision tie
that head was adopted no the same day that the
proposals for accommodation were made to the
Queen. Atid he fully agreed with those who
called it a neural measure, as a step that interred
neither degradation nor the contrary. Ile had
conscien,ioesly believed that those proposals were
such as would be isccepted, and it the whole-nests
ter were referred anew to his judgment, he saw
no reason why he should not again recommend the
course Wirt), as that most conducive to the honor
of the Crown, the peace Of the Country, and the
tratiqeihi:y atilt happino ss of the Royal Person-
age most ileatiy concerned. He hoped, there-
tore, he had delivered the Minisfty trout the
chaige of a wilhog eucorinter of tie question,
tie whole difeicitity Bed -delicacy of which he
fully felt. lie was to admit that there
teas 110 case so pteciselyeanalagous to the present,
as to furnish a precedent. But when the Croern
was in a situation in which experience was
no guide, he thought that it was in the spi-
rit of the Constitution to appeal to Parliament
for its conesel, advice, and assistance, and that
it was equally so that Parliament should afford
it. The Hon. and Learned Geoilentait (Mr.
Broughani) had found great fault with that
part of Iris Notlle Ft fiend's speech which likened
the investigation before a Secret Committee to
the proceeding before a Grand Jury, and wished,
he supposed, that they should assume the charac-
ter of public. accusers, " in which sir oation,"
said the Right Holt: Gentleman, " so help me
God, I till never place mysclt The question
iesolved itself into this, whether they should exa-
mine the papers in an open or a Secret Comnenter;
wh:cliever of these should be resolved on, they.
were greatly mistaken who_ imagined that the
Queen would not have the fullest opportu-
y afforded her of explanaf ion, of examining
and sitting all the evidence which might be exhi-
bited against her to the bottom, and of defence.
Nvxt to the wish that the inquiry should not go
on at all, was this, that the Queen should come
out of it, having been entered on, triumpliatit
over all accusations. Never in ail public situa-
tion or private capaci!y had he experienced a
difficolty similar to that by which he had been
oppressed in the course of this transaction.
lie should rather have been in any part of
the world than obliged to perform the part ins-
posed on him. To her Majesty he telt, and he
trusted should ever feel himself bound by the
ties of gratitude and attachment. His feelings,
his wishes, he might say his affections, were on
her side ; but, notwithstanding, he did not think
upon, the fullest consideration, and upon con-
sulting with his friends, that he should have

dischalged the ditty he owed to his King and the
office he htld, if he had obeyed tl►ese private
feelings, and fled from meeting the task. lie
knew that he could not hale declined it wiih-
out leading to an inference unfavourable to the
opposite side, namely, that there was some-
thing of severity or injustice in the course pur-
bWd. But he saw none. If Ise had seen

feelings of another kind prevailing no consi-
deration on earth could have induced him to
t.ise apart in having them gratified. Till two

Mays ago he had every hope of averting the painful
sacrifice of private feeling he had been compelled
to mdse. The lion. and Learned Member who

Lad charged them, with acting »s they had done
in the affair, from a wish to' retain their places,
knew the charge not to he true.—(rear, hear,
hear !)—lf by any sacrifice of an individual so

insignificant as himself, the pitiful necessity
forced upon Ministers could have been avnitl-

ed, he would most willingly have retired into
the most humble situation. Bur they bad been

disappuinted in their hope3,all their purposes had
been trustrated, and the cup dashed from their
lips. These was then but one course before theta.

For himiself, having now discharged his duty to
his Sovereign, and the situation in which he was

placed, lie should abstain, as muck as possible,
from all future interference with the present

question.

Air. BROUGHAM explained at considerable
length, but we are linable to give more than a
Ines e outline. He thought there c 0,11,1 be little

secrecy in the communication made to 15 Canine,

Nlinisicrs, and quoted the example of Courts of
Justice, as setting their face against any state-
ments of imperfect uncompleted attempts at q_
compromise which might prejudice a cause. alb
his to he cared not it he was flu►►g over•
board, so that his principal was not injured, and
lae p►n:estesl that the Queen had no know-

le►!ge of the communication that had been made

in July 1819. He ,pledged his word to de-
fend himself against the imputation, whenever

it could be done without implicating others
and pointed out several discrepiost circumstances
which might fairly make him a parry to the pto-
positions itr July, and an enemy to those
of Ministers at St. Omer's. He disclaimed

having acted as an agent of Alinisfers—he %vas tl►e

H gent of the Queen, and when he went to Lord

Liverpool, lie Went in that capacity, on the cum-
n►and of a higher authori'y. He argued that
Lord Hutchinsou's instructions were different,

and much mit se from the memoranda furnished

to him--and, afier a toll acquittal, was inclined
to agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman, that

her Majesty would be happier abroad than in this

Country.

Mr. TIERNEY said, it was impossible that any
man of good feelings could come to this question
without the deepest anxiety. His only satisfac-
tion was, that he 144(1 had nothing to do with the
negotiations which seemed to have brought all the

parties concerned in them into a piteous plight.—
(A laugh !)—All be knew of them was what

he had picked up its the course of the discussiou.

ilt
AIARTI,N, of Gdlway, thong)) not a party
man, !lid not think this a Ministerial question, and
therefore he should vote-fur the adHonnient, A
!tight Hon. Gentleman_ had wished an adjust went
of differences, in order that the Queen might
have a permanf-;it residence in this country. lie
thought however that no- amicable adjustment
could possibly take place, unless her Majesty re-
tired Iron► this country. He knew this to be the
opinion of her Majesty's legal adviser. He
should ask an Hon. Alderman whether he ad-
vised that her Majesty should return to this coun-
try.--((;c its of Order ! Order !)
Sir 1% ACKLAND hoped the motion of his lion.
Friend would be adopted. 'Ministers would do
well to recollect that preripi!ation hi.' placed the
country in its present state, and- that a delay of
tivo days might save the country incalculable
evils.

Mr. Goocx hoped a few days might bring about
such a reconciliation, as would put a stop to the
disgusting and horrible disclosures which must
otherwise take place.—(Hear l)
Sir E. KNATCHBULL requested his Mjesty's
Ministers to accede to the proposition. In so
doing, they would give satisfaction to a large pro-
pottion of the House, and could not fail to give
satisfaction to the country.
Mr. DAVENpour concurred in recommending, a
delay, but if we understood the Hon. Member

proposed that Monday text should be substituted
for n iday.

Lord (...;ASTLERRAGH felt disposed to accede to
the proposition' of the Hon. Gentleman though
from the knowledge he bad of the subject, he could
not flatter the House that any good effect would
result torn the delay. He must, ho►vever, call

he attention of the House, and be also telt tl►,nt

its indignation would follow, to the speech of
the Rt, lion. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Tierney)
Who had accused Ministers of not givineadvice to
their Royal Master, but rather of en►ieavouring
to defend themselves at the King's expence. lie
bad now to declare that it was his Majesty's com-
mand that Ministers should not mix up any state-
ments of their own with this important subject.
His M►►jesty notwithstanding his own personal
feelings, having determined to throw himself en-
tirely on his Parliament for advice and counsel.
The motion fur adjourning the Debate to Fri-
day next, was then agreed tn.—Adjourned at One
o'Cloek.