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London, England, 1820-08-30 00:00:00

ANOTHER WITNESS.

The next witness, Josephc Bianca, was then
put •to the bar and sworn.
The Italian Interpreter having taken his place by the side
of the witness,
Mr. Desmarr said, before the witness was examined, he was
bound to object to his being examined by the same Interpre-
ter through whom the former Italian witnesses had been exa-
mined. He did not mean to deny that the Marchese had
performed his duty with great ability, and in the most satis-
factory manner, but he objected to him because !se had seen
the present witness before and had translated his deposition,
and that circumstance might in some way influence his in-
terpretation of the answers that the witness might give. It
would be better that a new Interpreter should be procured
who had never been seen by the witness before.
The Earl of Ltverseooe remarked, the House were aware
how ably the Interpreter had performed his duty. It was true
that he had hcen originally engaged as interpreter to the Go-
vernment, hut he (the Earl of Liverpool) concluded that there
could be no objection to examining this witness more than
any other, as the opposite pasty were provided with ass Inter-
preter of their own, so that if any thing unfair were at-
tempted in his interpretations, it must immediately he deL
tected. He, therefore, saw no objection to his acting for this
witness,-as he had done for those previously examined, and
he thought the House might lose a good deal by a change.
Here there was a lisud cry of " Go on, go on."—The exami-
nation accordingly proceeded.
By Mr. Park—(l. What countryman arc you ?—A. I ant an
Italian Swiss.
From what part of Italy do you come ?—Frotu the Depart-
ment of —, and the Canton of Berne.
Where did you lately reside ?—At Venice.
What is your enspkyment when you are at home ?—I ant
guard or door-keeper to the Inn Grande Bretagne.
How long have you been in that employment ?—Fourteen
years:
Do you recollect seeing the Princess of Wales at any time
at that Inn ?—I do. I remember seeing her twice.
When did you first see her Royal Highness there donot
know.
In what year was it ?—About five years ago.
Was she at the inn, the Grande Bretagne, at that time ?
She was for three days, and then she went to another house.
What establishment had her Royal Highness at that time ?
Witness described the suite of the Princess, in which he said
there were three couriers. Their names, in answer to the
next question, he stated to be Camera, 13artholumew Berga
mi, and Theodore Majorci.
When the Princess went to another house had you occasion
to go there sometimes ?-1 had, every day.
For what purpose did witness go there ?—Because it always
happened that I had something to carry there.
Do you remember a jeweller going there one day to her
Royal Highness ? —I du.
Did she purchase any thing of him?—She bought a Vene-
tian chain of gold.
Was this during dinner, or after dinner ?—lt was during
dinner, when all the company had got up from dinner.
Did you see Bergami in the room at that time ?—He was
there, by the chair of her Royal Highness, in the dress of a
courier.
Did you see the Princess and Bergami together after the
rest of the company had left the room ?—I did.
What passed between them when he saw them together
She, after they got up, took the chain Irons her own neck, and
put it round the neck of the courier. He put it again on her
neck. He then took her by the hand, and accompanied her
to the dour of the saloon to which the company had retired.

Did they go out of the room together ?—Yes ; but site was
after him
Atter the chain was placed round the courier's neck, did
they go immediately, or did they remain a little longer ?
They went immediately.
Did you see Bergami when the Princess came to Venice a,
second time ?—I did ; her Royal llighnr • came a second
time, when she remained three or four days.
Had Bergami at that time any decorations or orders?—He
had three.
Had he any title ?—I heard him called the Baron Bergami.
When you saw them go out of the room together, as you
have described, in what way did they condnct themselves to-
wards each other before they went out ?—He took her by the
hand—he seized bet hand, and attended her to the door of the
Saloon. She then went in, and he went away.
Did you nee the Princess and Bergami together, on her
coming to Venice, a second time ?—I have seen them mot in
and go nut every day.
How many days did you see them there?--roar days.
Did you see them together on the canal of Venice ?—They
went twice a day to the Canal.
Were they alone, or were other rersons with them ?--Sonne-
body was always with them, excepting twice, seven they went
alone.
When they went out of the house, did they walk together,
or separate?—They always waited arm in arm, and then Ber-
gami gave her his hand to step into the gondola, as I did.
What da you mom by—" as I did ?"—1 do not understand.
The Interpreter requested their Lordship.' permission to
tell the witness, that while he was speaking, he (the witness)
must hold his tongue.

What do you mean by
.the words—" as I did ?"—Witness
had offered his hand to assist the Princess in getting into the
gondola.
Were they arm in arm, or separated ?—Arm and arm.
Did you ever offer your arm to the Princess, as Bergarni
did ?—I never offered her my arm, but I have offered her nay
lu.nd to assist her in getting into the gondola. •
The Learned Counsel had no more questions to ask.
Cross-examined by Mr. PENMAN.
Did yon see what you have described with respect to the
golden chain through the key hole was in the same room
where they dined.
Then they could see you very plainly. They could see that
you were standing by ?—I was there.
Have you been at Milast to be examined on flies° facts ?
I have.
When (lid yon first go tL•ere ?—I left Venice at Christmas.
Was that the first time that you went about this business ?
—Yes.
What money was offered, or what temptation was held out
to you, to induce you to go from Venice to Milan, on this
occasion ?—I received nothing but my expenses on my

journey.
Did you receive a sum of money, or did somebody else pay
for you ?—Andracci, the Commissary, came to take me from
Venice to Milan, and paid my expenses on the journey.
Had you nothing for your loss of time ?—Nothing.
What are yon to have for coming here?—For coming here,
I do not know that I am to have any thing but my travelling
expences.
Do you mean to swear that you are to have nothing to com-
pensate you for the loss of your time in coming here, and
staying here ?—They told me that I had nothing to do but to
come to London to tell the truth, and so I came.
But what are you to be paid for coming to London to tell
the truth ?—I made no agreement, no condition ; if they give
me any thingl shall take it. •
But what do you expect ?—I expect nothing, and for that
reason I have brought money with me to carry me hack.
Who made you come here ?—Col. Brown, at Milan.
Did you see the Advocate, Vi Mancharte, at Milan
saw him the first time I went, but not the second.
Did be say nothing to you about compensation for the loss
of your time in coming to England and staying there ?—fir
remembered nothing of the kind; but, at Milan, he, among
other things, had expressed himself unwilling to come to Eng.
land, as he was afraid.
Were the two persons you have mentioned the only indivi-
duals that you saw at Milan on this business ?—Yes, with the
exception of Audracci, the Commissary, who took rue to
Milan.
How long have you been in this country ?—A fortnight
to-day.
When you return, are you to go to your place again ?—lf I
return immediately ; if nut I shall lose my place.
Suppose you should not return to Italy, and should lose
your place, do you not expect to have it made good to you by
a sum of money ?—I expect nothing, because I have got no.
thing, and if I receive nothing, I shall then have to beg for
another master.
' Do you wish to persuade us that von made no bargain, and
arc to receive no compensation for any loss you may sustain
—I have come here to tell the truth without any interested
feeling in the case, and what am I tw du ?
Did any body tell you lately to rive that answer here ?
Not any body. I have not spoken with any body on the
business.
Who do you live with in this country ?—ln company with
about twenty or twenty-five more.
Is Theodore Majocci one of them ?—Fie is.
Will you swear that you have had no conversation with him
on the evidence you are to give here ?—Yes, I can swear it.
Did you not remind Theodore Majocci, when you first saw
him here, that you had formerly known him at Venice ?
Yes, I told him so, because we went to drink together one
afternoon.
Have you breakfasted with Theodore Majocci every day for
the last fortnight ?—We breakfast and dine altogether.
Do you sup together?—'Those who want supper do ; those
who do not take supper do not.
Do you pass the whole day together ?—Not the whole day,
because he (Nlajocei) is sometimes with his wife, but some-
times he collies out, and we walk together.
Do you remember the name of the jeweller who brought
the chain- you have mentioned ? —Fana.
Is he one of the 25 who dine together ?—No, he is a mer-
chant, at Venice always.
Where does be live ?—He has a shop under the Piazza of
the old Church of St. Marco.
Did the jeweller remain in the room where the Princess
and Bei purl were, while they remained together ?—No, he
had gone away some little time before.
Had all the company left the room ?—They had.
Was the door shut after them—how long had they left the
room ?—They were just gone—three or four minutes.
Was the door shut ?—lt was.
How came you to be left in the room with them ?—As the
people went out they stint the door to prevent the wind front
coming in. I remained •there as one of the servants to take
the things away.
Was any other servant present ?—There was only one of
the waiters.
Do you meals one of the Princess's servants, or a waiter
belonging to the hotel ?—He was one of the waiters belong-
ing to the inn.
How came you here in England ?—Through Col. Brown.
What power had Colonel Brown to send you here ?—He
sent a Commissary to Venice to say we must go to Milan to be
passed on to England.
But what power had the Commissary to send you over to
England ?—He had no autkority, but he told me if we were
willing to go it would be better for us ; as, if we were not, a
day, would conic when we should he forced to come ; so I pre-
ferred coming willingly.
What did you understand to lie meant by the assertion that
'' It would be better for you ?"—That it would be better to
come willingly than to wait till our removal should be accom-
panied by force.
Did you see any Ambassador at Venice ?—No—no one but
the English Consul.
Who is that ?—Mr. Hoppner.
Did lie desire you to conic ?—I never spoke on this business
to him.

Nor to ;Any one in his employ ; to his secretary or servant ?
On the contrary, I wished to call and speak to him, but he
WAS in the country.

Re-examined by Mr. PARKE.
Did You see Theodore Majocci between the time you saw
him at Venice and that when you met him in England.
Mr. Denman did not see that this question grew out of his
cross-examination.
Mr. Park said, it was to he immediately followed by a ques-
tion that did.
Did not the conversation which you bare had with Ma-
jocci take place the first time you met him after seeing him at
Venice.
The witness did not understand the question.
When had you the conversation which you hare mentioned?
What conversation ?
That in which you reminded him of your having met
.'at
Venice ?—Walking down beloW.
Since you came to England ?—lt was.
The witness was here ordered to withdraw,
and as it wanted but a few minutes to iive, it
was not thought desirable to call in another wit-
ness, and the House accordingly adjourned.

From the LONDON GAZETTE of Aug. tg'

Commissions in the Royal North Regiment of Lincoinshir•
Militia—Ensign Thos. Cheinniell to be Lieutenant; Stapyßon
Smith, Gent. to ire Ensign.
Commission in the 4sl Somerset Regiment of Militia.--Tbst•
Salmon, Gent. to be Lieutenant.

BANKRUPTS.
J. Bolt and G. Jones, Bath, grocers,. to surrender Sept. 19'0
20, and Oct. 13, at twelve, at the White Lion Inn, Bath. At:
tornirs, Messes. Knight and Freeman, Basinghall-street ; saa

Mr. Cruickshank, Laura-place, Bath.
W. Wall, Oxford, carver and gilder, Sept. 2,4, and Oct.
10, at eleven, ut the house of Robinson Bertram, Oxford.
Attornies, fiessrs. Tomes and Bedford, Oxford ; and Mr.
Tomes, Lincoln's-inn-fields, London.
J. Briggs, Hamlet of Lakenbatu, Norwich, victualler, Sept*
22, 23, and Oct. 10, at four, at the Norfolk Hotel, Norwich.
Attornies, Meser;. Taylor and Roscoe, King's Bench-wallto
Temple, London ; and Messrs. Grand and Staff, Norwich.
C. 13. Hall, and 'l'. Aldridge, Barbican, London, linen-dm'
pen, Sept. IC, 30, and Oct. 10, at one, at Guildhall. Attar"
nay, Mr. Lang, Fenchurch-street.
J. Parker, Little :it. Mary Axe, London, painter, Sept. to
ta, and Oct. 10, at tea, at Guildhall. Attornies, Messrs,
' Clultou and Carter, High-street, Southwark.
DIVIDENDS.
Sept. 9, S. Goddard, Cornbill, London, map seller—Sept
19, 3. Boyes' jun. Wansford, Yorkshire, carpet manufacturer
—Sept. 23, J. Farmer, Skinner-street, London, victualler-'
Sept. 23, J. Buller, Newman-street, Oxford-street, M d'
dlese.i, dealer in stained glass—Sept. 19, M. Samson, Dorset..
place, Clapham-road, exchange broker—Nov. 4, F.. Thumr
son, Globe-stairs, llotherhithe, ship builder—Sept. 20, t.
Powell and W. Brown, Liverpool, merchants—Sept. 23, A.
Scott, John-street, Commercial`-road, dealer—Sept. 25, R.
Coos. and R. Sutton, Barton-upon- Humber, Lincolnshire, cool
factors—Sept. 22, T. A. Minchin, Portsmouth, banker.
CERTIFICATES—Sere. 19.
I. G. Ctanpart, Spread Eagle-court, Landon, broker—J.
Reed, Doc:gate W'oarf, Upper Thames-street, whar6nger--".
J. .:: nd W. Gundry, Goldsithney, Cornwall, merchants—El.
Elliott, Chippenham, Wiltshire, clothier—W. Spellman, Great
Yarmouth. grocer—G. J. Swain Nlatisel.street, Goodman s'
Gelds, Middlesex, warebousemat:—J. Bathe, Piccadilly, wine.
merchant—G. James, Liverpool, merchant—J. Aikin, Liver'
I pool, merchant.
PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED.

T. Chambers and S. Edkins, Leadenhall-street, Landoll,
silversmiths—Rev..% Kershaw, M. A., and B. Kent, Ratite/
House, Altinpl,,n—J. Manila!! and G. Atkinson, Liverpool,
ship brokers—W. Stead and B. Hui toes, Thrum Hall, HaWO,
Yolksbire, merchants—J. and J. D.slton, \ewe:vale-upon'
Tyne, earthenware manufacturers—R. Clayton awl Co., Ne'W
castle-upon-Tyne, woollen-drapers, as far as regards H. Char
ton—T. Rudd and H. Liswall, Bishopsgate-street-Withior
tea-dealers---W. and G. Bagelict, Great fort ingten, Devon'
shire, glovers—S. Pritchard and C. Glover, Stroud, tilouccv
tershirc, nialtsters—M. Dixon and W. Alarstun, Birwinr
ham, platers.

PICKPOCKETS AND BILL-STICKEIIS.—At BOle
street Office, yesterday, some persons were
charged with picking pockets in the crowd as'
sembl‘d at the time the Queen returned from tio?
House of Lords on Monday. It appeared fro'
the evidence of a witness, that gangs had beef
observed containing not less than 150 scoundrels,
who carried on their depredations with the most
determined boldness.—A man was brought al),
charged with posting up bills of a seditious tc'
dency, particularly one headed " Englishmen
and addressed to the soldiers. On being inter
rotated by the Magistrate, he admitted at he
had read the bill in question, and, thought it so
seditious that he consulted his employer, Wall;
dington, of Spa-fields notoriety, who inform&
him that he (Waddington) would be responsible'
The other bills he had obtained from one Bey
bow, and was to receive 3s. 6d. per day for post'
ing them. The man was ordered to find bail'
upon which he replied, that he would send for
his employers, and dispatched a messenger t°
, them. Benbow refused to come, but "Waddlor
ton soon arrived in the custody of au officer. 1/
the course of some conversation, the fellow au'
mitted that he had printed 1.0,000 of the Wig/
and that he had been employed to do it, but re'
fused to say whence he obtained the necessarl
funds. He was committed.
COPPER MINE NE.III GATEHOUSE.—AbOIIbF ct%
months ago, a labourer, employed in cutting
drain on the farm of Enrick, the property of ,Nifj
Murray, of Broughton, discovered what appear%
to be a rich vein of copper ore. This discover?
was of course intimated to the proper quartel
and on a further search being made, it vcso
thought advisable to begin operations upon
extended scale. A short time afterwards tro
mine was let to a company in Cornwall, 14
lately commenced working with great spirit,
• 4°
last week shipped a cargo of ore (upwards of
tons) on board the sloop Samson, for Llauell,/
Carmarthenshire.

COURSE OF EXCHANGE, AuGusT 29. '
IR 6 C. I.
Amster dam
Ditto, at Sight ..
Rotterdam l2 7
Antwerp l2 8 ,to
Hamburgli
Altona
25 70
37 7 210,
Paris, 3 Day's sight ill"
Ditto
0 ill'
Bounleaux, ditto
Franktorton the Main
ftrec irg
Madrid
Cadiz
i.tfc''
Bilboa 34}
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Barcelona.'
Seville
Gibraltar
Leghorn
Genoa 43i-Venice, Ital. Liv. 27 60
Malta 45 -Naples 39 OS'
Palermo
Lisbon
Oporto
Rio Janeiro
Dublin 7 Cork 8 per Cent.
BULLION 0001
Portugal Gold, in Coin 1.0 0 0 I'
Foreign Gold, in Bars 3 17 10i
New Doubloons
flew Dollars 0
O : 1°
Sit ve r in Bars, Standard
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Ott Monday, the 28th inst., its Cadogan Terrace, the di
of Henry Roftert Pearson, F,sq. of a son. the I's
On the 97th inst., at Puttenham Priory, Surrey,
of Richard Sumner, Esq. of a daughter.
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On Saturday, the 26th inst., at Harpenden, in t4,obrts.
of Herts, Captain Nares, of the Lloyd Navy, to ''' of ft
eldest daughter of the late John Alexander Dud" ry
bourn, in the saute county, Esq. fp!' ° 0
On Frday last, at Baliworth, the Hon. and ge.!:1,o11,1
Bridgentan, fourth son of the Earl of Bradford ~:1"„001
second daughter of the Hon. John Bridgeman bwir
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first performers on the harp in the kingdom. Ile or
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Lyrist mentioned by Miss Seward in her Neat of
Vale. correllol.
On the 46th instant, at Park Hill, near Croydon', /AO
his 68th year. Mr. Paul Philip B. rand, of Corobil" reill
et dr /lA'
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