The Sun.
London, England, 1845-02-18 00:00:00

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return for that sugar sent again to foreign countries,
take from those eountries, as from Russia, for instance,
hemp, tar, and timber.—(" Hear, hear," from the Oppo-
sition.) It is much the same to do this as to consume
the sugar itself. I understand that, last year, though
you had scruples with regard to the sugar of Brazil, your
orders in Council admitted the slave-grown produce of
other countries." Then, for instance, you would say to
him, "We admitted sugar from Venezuela, we may freely
That coffee, cotton, and tobacco, though slave-grown.
-uhat you and that we have imported Venezuelian sugar,
and indirectly encouraged slave-grown sugar, the pro-
duce of other countries, but we have scruples which
Prevent us from consuming slave-grown sugar." What
would the Brazilian Ambassador say to this?—only
laugh in your faces. lie had heard the Right Hon.
Gentleman say that he did not intend that this arrange-
Mein of the sugar duties should be perpetual, and that_
Ie would continue the same mode of imposing the
duty on that article. The Right Honourable Ba-
ronet well knew that as long as the duties con-
tinued in their present condition the question would
he continually discussed in that House, and
if not introduced by the Chancellor of the Exchequer
would be brought under their notice by other Hon.
Members. With respect to the sacrifice of 1,300,0004
h. e did really think, without going to the extent of say-
pg that sugar, the produce of foreign countries, should
be admitted on the same terms as that of our own colo-
nies, that great alterations might be made, and a great
approach to free trade principles, at the same time main-
ning the revenue. He did not see that there was any
e.atise for abandoning so large a portion of the revenue.
with respect to the plan proposed by the Government,
Pr°Posing the reduction of nearly the whole amount of
surplus revenue, to within 70,000/ of the 300,0001. or
100,000 L which we possessed, they put, in its stead, the
in on,
c -tax, or, under such circumstances, in the
words of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, n three years
hence we will have no alternative but to continue the
finti.eome-tar, or be in a state of national insolvency."—
(Heart hear.) Ile did not think it fair towards the
'louse to propose such a question without rati
ti, °II of the Government as to their intention,and whe-
...,er it be their opinion that this property andincom_e- tax
is one of the best resources which can be proposed to a
Permauent revenue. This would lead the House fairly
to the consideration of the case, and they would consider.
at the
in , ,Satne ti le, either through a Select Committee or
f
th - trimittee of the whole House, whether some o
bee great injustice and inequalities of that tax might not
Rigretat tied. With regard to commercial reform, the
pritillei„f4m.
.Gentleman hesitated. to adopt the right
itsalivle am
F e not indeed when it could be done in an agree-
'easy manner, but when they knew they would
list„e t° Contend with class interests and with monopo-
ile:',and when great opposition was expected.—(flear,
io„-,t) The Government ought well to consider the sub-
.-‘a and what the true interests of the country were ;
4241 they should not, at all events, endeavour to ageTa-
!l'ate the monopolies which at present existed. 6His
er, was, that they must indeed continue the income-
140t for the present, but that they should not make all
!letthe reductions which the Right Honourable Baro-
proposed. He thought those reductions might
oe made on cotton-wool and glass, but with
respect to the other articles, some of them
he thought ought not to be touched at all ; and as to
sugar, and some other articles, he would take quite a
different course. His impression was, as he had already
aaid, that protection was the bane of agriculture.—
(Rear, hear.) He maintained that opinion as regarded
all protective duties, Mr. Huskisson, some years ago,
!lelived how injurious it was to silk ; and in Canada the
?litimber duties, which operated so favourably towards
r colonists there, had been, according to the state-
-43_ ant of Mr. Macgregor, the ruin of many farmers who
7:speculated largely in timber. At the same time, he
titttterdu that those protective duties should be with-
arawa gradually and cautiously, rather than suddenly
PUY ; but of this he felt confident, that if they
dishedi. to get rid of the income-tax, they must take
ibis mode of endeavouring to improve and increase
retizaer reieasroguerrces of the country.--(Hear, hear.) If
at the markets were opened, and if we admit-
imports, the demand for labour would
ease, manufactUres would greatly extend, and
hope end of five or six years more, we might entertain
gee: that the income-tax would be abolished. The
oroa,itt was! whether we were to have a perpetual in-
----he ax and a continuance of monopoly and restriction
aedere'te!ainied against both. He felt the impossibility,
frora existing circumstances, of withholding his assent
lilted the Proposition which' the Chairman had in his
be
con;
with the hope that the income-tax would not
erted into a permanent burden. The Right Hon.
%rale
aary tinlan had taken such a course, as to make it neces-
01)enetzahsure
yearsuaat this tax should be renewed at the end of three
the ~,',. an so on from time to time; but he did hope that
of this odious and inquisitorial tax had
%uttered fro eYes of the people to the disadvantages they.
,444 by „„,r,° .al commercial restrictions and monopolies,
'ageS. Seeking to make trade free, procure great advan-
a4a iroponsottwth, e. least of which would be the abolition of
Qrtt,d t nick in times of peace, never should be re-
kr 1,)*--(Loud cheers.)
e disappointed ei* th ."()131101%.'" was at the conclusion
ihelePertaalece_ch of
.the Noble Lord, which he thought an
finis khsN „unclusion.—(Hear, hear, from the Ministerial
,hed J 4!.e had reviewed every item in the Budget, but
mohla , with
adopting any decided course. The
thr 4,041 k
bars" }ears new well enough that the income-tax for
iets lns only a phrase of the Right Honourable
h 'tit he :toe Noble Lord knew that it meant perpetual
e %amid "id not take the Noble Lord as his model,
th N .
e ehl Lopose a distinct amendment, and he hoped
ere„ . ea
t 1 it to u would vote with him, as he meant to
ea-earl did hot dons ion. He believed the Right Hon. Gen-
able in net aet as he thought, and that he proposed
b e to ear'. right direction as he thought he would be
failed knew through both Houses. The Right Hon.
h;4(1 ill ar,ne,w and appreciated the principle, but
tie the liornPlyaipg it.—(Hear, hear.) He was deterred
vieuld - Members by whom he was surrounded.
ttali)rig„,i k. ask the Right Hon. Baronet, had he
, term
his estimate for the expenses of the army, or
,I,J. 14. r? Ilse po,sition in that regard. from that of last
tog ..t riois, eould not ask the Right Hon. Baronet.
sa. its mimeos alent had this country gained by maintain-
tiOaiti.shoulabee colonial establishment, but he would
eo„, qr this matter for grave and serious considera-
wFaeloehiotnf.; `house, whether the country derived an
expenditure incurred by maintaining
eolous4 shoulia,l e-stablishment—(Eiear, hear)--and if the
sets o, or tri.t.determine upon a continuation of this vast
shoal's 4 its I.l' FEePire, so extensive that " the sun never
4ta
tops,.
,itnits," as the phrase went, why then they
taid 442' their indulgence in this expensive luxury.
Ntin4 would which the Right Hon. Baronet
teat, g that require for the expenses of the navy, in
to °43 a, amount he had said the three great
the :I.„',' which the principal naval force was
ksa Is' fives of were China, America, and
11/414'1 two or,t. of Africa. Now, he (Mr. R.) would
Nfe;ereits, tila!uetn and come to the most expensive and
134,.o''ece to 1,,,' of IN est Africa ; and he would say, in
the "„t!et to tr,:ia,, fart, that all the efforts of the Hon.
faik,,%ht fat uown the slave trade in that quarter by
(4 '-`i• erld search Project had totally and signally
"ar 1 would d tlfth tar.) ,en in disaster to all engaged in it—
t-he heirl,ll. "ion 40w, he would come to another branch
a,att,s,At Ron.. and assuming the expenses stated by
lies,*as theerreot be to be necessary, and his esti-
'l:lo/ ' ue (Ur. H.) would ask the House what it
,_ Marabl II
k said Proposed aronet proposed to do? It was.
hate, or, rintl, ation
ti the(l would to meet the deficiency which
'illi e
of the income• tax up to that
the ze (air ,otner words that he wanted 5,000,0001.
a I 'ight ir'fbilek) ' it incumbent upon
1, egit; .._.oe .r, would say was
he pro•Mato . Bare) would
to show the House that this was
4 I,l4Pbsed to expenditure ; and that the means by which
61411adell,
bto whireahisQ this sum was not only better than,
tPlvised. tit
was haute (Mr. Roebuck) would presently
,cr-t lious The Iti:4,
_than any other plan that could be
thecore, e to rorui,"' lion.. Baronet further called upon_
itceeree. „,„ 4or abolish certain taxes upon articles
1541,,,,_ght itan.4-'„oa he (Mr. Roebuck) would show that
zilittboeveettit.(;
bo(11:111.0extili
joisti,doaneedts plan of increased taxation was
mischievous, and that the taxes
ttaaquete, la fact, were not those that ought to be
plan
kea (~,,a t•, silt ,
this Right Hon. Baronet's
re-
ii ", sod •P'3' this—that with one hand he took
14 f T 1 ~with the tb h
o er e put thom on.—(Flear,
t Itet twole "li 'lit Hon. Baronet said he only wanted,
It' be 1444 ;I,tlßht either
Suns, while he levied five ; but taking it
Theist, islionourati:'ll' heis (Mr. Roebuck) could tell the
'l4t 'Oho 'e zaronet that there was an
1,,_ he . ara.ble
rart,4 tricorn and equitable mode of levying it.
oh. • N me-tax ,
h his power0 man as an unequal tax could be easily
he to ought to be taxed but in proportion
tette eltatned hf`a•l: and his power lo pay could only
tilllttll,tieear tkat
aYnalls sources of income. It was also
eie stelae as of profer, whose income depended upon the
t flt ta.itti
vial:4ollra,
thosulognhaLlsabieoeuormsehohueltdhneostabme taxed to
otloolte sitions •
th7.Sial "e derived h. e as that
lie dice estate, is income from the possession of
lob i,,rent peo*". .(ilear, hear. Take two men in
1,..ef itieLYear
'andasl,e, result o his
suppose one man deriving
Litbeioa,e lo the Lake another withprothfeesssioanmael amountlabours
14v ,
„die e
htnydeßa,ros ol
:mti '';tha e saoiYear
itle triea t 0t,,,e, andti from land ; present them both
ffor°4lite trZethforty e (Mr. R.) would affirm that taking
f age each, he who derived his
thi, IoR 0„ re the
_ „ ti d get twenty years' purchase
quay
tter, the 10012rolessional man would not get one
call 0;3 e°llld bueeY.--(Hear, hear.) He did not
Natte4ti the inco,„.a Plainer illustration of the ine-
-14 t.
sere
74 to the we-tax than that. He would now
1,„ at ~et hi_ mod® in which this tax was levied,
111,isitoliat!try
shoulda! ,Y that he did not think the people
itla.l"eintat a system be be he
to so annoying and
tto::141:4 :::::i.:.. Ira(......no(aHr,ea:.e)ar.)lle was convinced it
toy hAostet
oefildotstahiett.lid felt as inquisitorial, odious, and
He did think that
40 iotittit %lett ; ./tiriada t.o the amount of his income ought
itefri !I ail morals
of oirely it would not be contended
the.eteht. ebb ka the
People of England were at
tstietit
tt---.(iier the
this plan could not be deemed
11 tti 41:1 gar ' ea.) no ltt Yste est eour looked upon it as
Wh ' Bopp taut at prose se; and by it the odious inquisi-
tiottat t'eXt°sue-dthe Rignbtttl!red would be avoided.--' (Hear.)
Ibir, 'r t 4, ' . he purpose 400. Baronet continue this tax,
ith gth ation to do 9To take off a por-
°l4 f 'lt 11 Cirl Certai •
ItYQid zed
i had
..,r0 n commercial articles ? In
a,..s stand. r, hear) H
coa,, ed t, nundr,„ i!„„posed to take the duty off of
itilt
tql.trily,„..'(uteihianz'atii,l; eorfe n tartieles, w.hile he carefully
the great interests of the
a,(l,_(!...(,._areg, +., , 0 e had left that giant-tree
the,inci 4:e. , hea. b removed by more stalwart
lute
tot,,in the day `)—but he (Mr.
Roebuck yin evils,
4gr r"ists, B°°ll come when those crying evils,
threst, e.at evils °llld be '„
the agrievuelitattiraa
l w
ana
dy
,
—th(
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ch
o
)1,,e ~, 14 thi, Were
einenrsia.),
thz,)„,tls„,:mcooti:atry....„.(llear, hear ) The first of
eke 4 firth a t er by the hand of *the Right lion.
0 el's andlrst'ratelleh the most delicate and refined
In. a tos la e artist
4 tl. 114 ughle \ could give it.—(Great
c&g,. r 5,,,, r') `chile
oust; tetllL . INhat rn_ e the other he dealt with
,„a
~.1,t., h4d
~ ore determined.(llear, hear.)
TYaztt was t 7, Predonlinating influence in that
"e 40,6"'"'-e of the lion. Baronet