The Sun.
London, England, 1842-07-07 00:00:00

...NOTHEK ACCOUNT.

In the course of the forenoon yesterday Mr. Bean, the
father of the prisoner, visited his son at the Tothill-fields
Bridewell, but on their meeting the prisoner refused to hold
any conversation with him, and maintained a sullen silence to
every question put to him. About half-past 12 o'clock he was
conveyed from the prison in a hackney-coach by Lieutenant
Tracy, the Governor, and Air. Cree, the principal keeper, to
the Home-office, for the purpose of undergoing a further exa-
mination before the Privy Council. Very little interest, in
comparison with that evinced in the previous eases of Oxford
and Francis, appeared to exist on the part of the public in the
investigation, and when the coach containing the prisoner
drew up at the front entrance of the Home-effice, Whitehall,
scarcely half a dozen persons were present. About the same
time the whole of the witnesses, who had assembled at half-
past 12 o'clock at the station-house in Gardiner's-lane, were
brought to the Home-office by Inspector Hughes, A division,
and entered by the garden-gate on the parade St. James's-park.
Shortly after twelve o'clock the members of the Privy Coun-
cil began to arrive at the Home-office, and by one o'clock the
following members of the Cabinet, &c., had assembled :—Sir
Hobert Peel, Baronet, the Lord Chancellor, Duke of Welling-
ton, Duke of Buctleuch, Lord Liverpool, Lord Delawarr, Lord
Ripon, Lord Fitzgerald and Vesy, Lord Wharncliffe, Lord
Jet sev, Sir George Clerk, Bart., Sir James Graham, Bart ,
Sir li. Hardinge, Batt., Lord Haddington, Sir F. Pollock (the
A ttornev-General), and Sir William Follett (the Solicitor-
General ). Mr. Alaule, Solicitor to the Treasury, Mr. Hall,
Chief Magistrate of Police, and Mr. Burnaby, Chief Clerk of
Bow. street Police-court, were also present.

On this occasion more than usual mystery was maintained by
all the I,fficials connected with the Home-office on the subject
of the investigation, and the reporters fbr the public press, who
were in attendance, were not even permitted to enter the room
in %‘hich the witnesses were in waiting, as has been the cus-
tom on previous occasitins, and an application for permission to
copy the depositions made after the conclusion of the inquiry
was refused.

From a source on which every reliance can he placed, we
have, however, as on the fist examination, obtained the follow-
ing particulars respecting what took place (luring the investiga-
lion before the Privy Council.
'[he prisoner on being brought into the room in which the
members of the Council were assembled, looked around Lim
with apparently considerable alarm, but throughout the exa-
mination maintained the same sullen and reserved conduct.
Tile first witness examined was Henry Webb, a police-con-
stable, 106 G, who deposed as follows :—On• the evening of
Sunday last, the 3d instant, I mustered with the other men
about 9 o'clock at the station-house adjoining the Clerken-
well police-court, for night duty. Inspector Penny read
to us a route, giving a description of a deformed youth who
had that morning presented a pistol at her Majesty's car-
riage in the mall in St. James's-park, as the Queen was
truing to the Chapel Royal, which I immediately considered
corresponded with the appearance of the prisoner, who I was
previously aware had absconded from his home. I waited until
the other men had left the station, and then I instantly com-
municated my suspicions to Inspector Penny, who directed
me to go to the house of the prisoner's father, 14, St. James's-
buildings, Rosoman-street, Clerkenwell. On reaching the
house 1 knocked a single kJ-seek at the door, which was opened
by the prisoner, and immediately on my seeing him 1 felt con-
fident that my suspicions were correct. The prisoner was in
his shirt-sleeves, and without his coat or cap. I asked him if
his father sir mother were at home. He told me, " No," and
made the same answer to my inquiry if he could tell me where
his father could be found. I then said to him, " Why, my boy,
I understood you had absconded from your home?" He an-
swered, " Yes ; but I am come back again, and I am sorry for
having done so." 1 asked him when he came back, and he said,
" About half-past eleven o'clock that day," and added,
" I hope I shall turn out a good boy." I then
said to him, " Well, if you do not know where
your father and soother are gone, perhaps you will have
no objection to put on your coat and cap and come
along with me, and see if we can find them." and at the same
moment I put in v hand on his arm and found that he euivered
at my touch, and app. ared agitated all over. I asked him what
he was afraid of, arid he said, " Nothing." I also asked where
he had been during his absence from his home, and how he had
managed to maintain himself, to which he said he had been
principally about the fields round 13arnsbary-park, Islington,
and that he had twice received a gratuity of 2d. for holding
gentlemen's horses, and on another occasion had 3d. given
him for fetching a glass of ale for a gentleman on the Hunger-
ford pier. At that moment the prisoner's mother came up to
the doer, and on seeing her I told her I was glad to hear that
her son had returned home again, and that I hoped he would
never goaway from his home any more. I also toldher I thought
after what he had done, and her having given information at
the station• house of his having absconded, it would do
bins no harm if I were to take him before the inspec-
tor. I was desirous to get him to the station-house with-
out his being aware of my object in taking him there. His
mother, however, said, " No, I should not like him to be taken
to the station•house, although I am much obliged to you for
your kindnes." I repeated that I was sure it could do him ne
harm if the inspector did give him a lecture; when she, after
slime consideration, waved her objection to his going, and I
told her to walk on with her son, while I would walCbehind.
N% hen we got in the station-house the prisoner was further
questioned as to where he hid slept during the two previous
nights, to which he replied that he had slept on both nights in
an unfinished house in Barnsbury-street, not having enough
money to pay for a bed. He was further asked how he hap-
pened to come hack exactly at two o'clock on the Sunday ?
when he answered that he was so hungry, having nothing to
eat, that he was compelled to do so. He was then questioned
as to whether or not he had been to any other part of the
metropolis besides Islington, and he replied that he had been
in the Regent's-park ; but on being also asked if he had
not been likewise in St. James's-park, he hastily said, " Oh.
I don't know—l have been somewhere at the west-end, and
that's enough." His dress and personal appearance were then
compared by Inspector Penny with the description in the
route, and being found to cm respond in every particular, i was
ordered to search him, which I did, but found only a comb and
a piece of string about him. A cab was then procured and I
accompanied Inspector Penny in conveying the prisoner in the
cab to the A station in Gardiner's-lane, Westminster, when he
was again searched, and persons who had witnessed the trans-
action iu. the park sent for. On their arrival at the station
they immediately identified the prisoner as the deformed youth
they saw present the pistol at her Majesty's carriage. When
next examined, the prisoner ascertained the charge on which he was detained
he became very much depressed.
Inspector Penny, G division, corroborated the evidence of
the previous witness, and produced the letter received from the
prisoner by his parents on Wednesday, the 29th ult., which he
had received from the prisoner's father.
living in New Tothill-
strt, vrksitrmigin man
Westminster, namedex in corroboration of
the evidence as to what occurred in St. James's-park, given by
the Dassetts and other witnesses at the first examination on
ct w‘oe Wright,V
!Worlds,. last.
Mr. 'William Bird, broker, of 26, Exmouth-street, Clerken-
well, was the next witness called in, and was questioned by dif-
ferent members of the Privy Council as follows :
( The pistol taken from the prisoner having been placed in
the hand of the witness)—Do you believe that the pistol pro-
duced has been discharged since it has been out of your posses-
sion? Witness (examining the pistol)—No, Ido not think it
has been discharged.
Will you swear it has not been discharged? Witness—l will
swear it has not, and my reason for doing so is, that none of the
rust inside the barrel has been removed, which would have been
the case if a firing had taken place.
W hen did the prisoner now before us first come to your shop?
Witness—He came first to my shop about this day fortnight
or three weeks, I cannot swear which. 1 can't swear that the
prisoner is the person to whom I sold the pistol, but he very
much resembles him.
What was the sum paid to you for the pistol ? Witness—To
the best of my recollection, 3s. 6d.
it was only three shillings.
The prisoner (slarply )
Witness—Well, it might be that sum. I am not positive as
to which it was.
At the time the prisoner purchased the pistol of you, did you
or any of your shopmen recollect any peculiar remarks that he
might have made? Witness—No, as I have said before, I can-
not recollect well the circumstances of the sale, but afterwards,
on more than one occasion, I had a good deal of conversation
with the prisoner.
What was the nature of that conversation ? Witness—He
came to me on the Tuesday in last week, again on the Wed-
nesday, and also on the Friday.
The prisoner—No, you are wrong. It was on the Thursday.
Witness—On the Tuesday when the prisoner came he said,
producing the pistol, I purchased this pistol of you, and it
won't go off." I was very busy at the time, and told him I
could not attend to him just then, and he went away. He,
however, returned on the following day, and said, Well,
this pistol won't go off, and so I have brought it back to you."
I then took the pistol out of his hand, and on looking at it said,
~ You foolish fellow, how is it to go off? why, there is no flint
to it." I also told him that when the pistol was so!d to him
there was a flint to it. The prisoner answered, " Yes, there
was, but it was an old one, and I threw it away in the street."
What did you say or do then? Witness—Why I carelessly
looked at the pistol, and said to the prisoner, " Well, you must
not bother me any more, lam very busy now." The prisoner
seemed rather displeased at this, and said, " Mind, I shall call
again," and went away. On the Thursday or Friday he again
came to the shop, and said, y pistol won't strike fire—l
have been trying it again." I asked him what he wanted me to
do to it, and he answered, `, why, to put a flint in, and make
it strike fire." I asked him what he wanted with a pistol, and
if he wanted it to shoot the cats with ?—(Much laughter.)
What answer did he give to your question. State the answer
explicitly ? Witness—lle prisoner said, A T
" I s.O not want it to
shoot cats with. We have got no cats at home."
Did he say where he lived ? Witness—No, be did not.
He said, " have got no cats at home. I want it for some-
thing else,"

Did you inquire what that something else was ? Witness—
No, I did nut. as I considered that the idol bad been sold to
dare say
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and
the prisoner as a toy to play v.ith. The prisoner then said,
ocket
I
took one out. The prisoner asked me to put it in, and show
and fixed n t -
him how to fire it. 1 told him he was a troub'esome fellow,
si'curte added.n-t'll that 1 t part don't
ot; its to' lh icngh 3h.oolds unoth.eflint, min ." Ithen
it in for him. The prisoner said, " New you must show me
how to fire it ; here's some powder, but it is very coarse, and
I am afraid it won't go off." He then gave we some gunpowder.
From whe e did the prisoner take the powder he gave you ?
Witness—From his waistcoat pocket. It was screwed up in
a bit of paper. He gave the paper into my hand, and I un-
screwed it. 1 then saw that it contained about a quarter of an
ounce. It was very coarse powder. I did not inquire of the
Prisoner where he had purchased it. I took a little of it, and
put it. in the pan of the pistol, and said to him," Now, I'll
show you how to fire," and I held the pistol in the proper form.
The prisoner watched me very narrowly, ar.d when there was
flash in the pan, he clapped his hands, and said, " That'll
do, that'll do," in a delighted tone of voice. I then took the
flint out, and returned the pistol to the prisoner without it, on
seeing which he said very dolefully, " Oh, ain't you going to
give it to me ?" meaning the flint. I told him I was not ; I
had g•ven him one with the pistol when he bought it, and if
he had another, he must pay me for it. He then asked me the
pike, arid I told him Id.
Did the prisoner then purchase the flint ? Witness--Not at
that time. He went away with his pistol, but returned in about
twenty minutes, and, holding a penny in his hand, said, " I've
brought you a penny for that flint, but. you must put it in for
me, and then pray let me have another flash." I told him I
would put the flint in for him, but I could not be bothered with
him any longer. I fixed the flint with a piece of paper round
it to make it secure, and it is now in exactly the same state as
when I gave it to him.
Then you still believe that it has not since been discharged?
Witness—l do firmly believe to.
Did the prisoner show any great anxiety to have the flint
when he came to you again? Witness—Not particularly so,
but he seemed to me anxious about its making a fire (flash),
and going off well. I noticed that he was very much pleased to
see it flash in the pan.
Warlsby, a jeweller, residing in Oxford-street, who was
well acquainted with the prisoner's handwriting, was next exa-
mined, and shown the letter produced, which he swore had
been written by the prisoner.
The prisoner was then removed from the Council Chamber
without any of the other witnesses in attendance being called
in, and after a private consultation the Council broke up at
fcur o'clock. Our reporter has ascertained that the prisoner
stands committed to take his trial for a misdemeanour, the
capital charge being abandoned, and as a misdemeanour is a
bailable offence, it was intimated to the prisoner that, if he
could find two sureties in the sum of 2501. each, for his ap-
pearance at the next sess:ons, he might be liberated from
custody.
'I he father of the prisoner was in attendance at the Home..
office during the whole of the examination, but was not called
before the Council.

About five o'clock the prisoner was conveyed back by Lieu-
tenant. Tracy to the Tothill-fields Bridewell, where it is most
probable he will remain until the period of his trial, the amount
of bail required being so large.
Lavie, the surgeon to the Tothill-fields Bridewell, in-
formed our reporter last evening that on visiting the prisoner
that morning he found him in the same sullen state, and averse
to answering any questions, however unimportant; but he
(Mr. Lavie) could not avoid from certain appearances which
presented themselves in the prisoner's conduct, coming to the
conclusion that ho secretly rejoiced at the notoriety he has
gained, which feeling he could but ill conceal.
The whole of the witnesses who have been examined in the
case are ordered to attend at Bow-street Police-court to-mor-
row (this day), at half-past 11 o'clock, for the purpose of
signing their depositions, &c.

CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.
OLD COURT.
TRIAL OF NICHOLAS SUISSE.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
ISir. Sasse examined—l translated the letter found in
Sui.sse's box. It was addressed (as we understood) to 111 r.
Brock, and dated April 5, 1842. it was as follows :
" I have just received your amiable letter, by which I perceive
that I can reckon upon your friendship, which I cannot too
notch appreciate, and which lam proud to enjoy. Here is the
plan which I have formed. To send, by Brussels, two fine
horses, with their coachman and harness. I intend buying for
you one of those Brussels carriages, the same as I have seen
you drive so often. As to the plate, I am having a service
made, for which I expect to pay the duty. As to the
stamp, I have no idea of that. I will send the plate to Calais.
I shall go through Brussels at any rate, but I am afraid I can-
not get any betore the 4th June. I give a million of thanks
fur your kind advice, but I think ene in my state must be mad
to go into business and spoil so fine an independence. I hope
I have your kind wishes. Represent me kindly to Madame, &e.
(Signed) " NICHOLAS SUISSE."
Thomas Cholmondely, examined by Mr. BODKIN-1 am a
clerk in the house of Messrs. Hopkinson and Co. No draft
has been drawn upon our house by the Marquis during the
present year.
Cross-examined—l am not aware that Suisse had ever re-
mitted money through our house to the Continent.
'William Rawlins, examined by Mr. Piitt.urs— I am a silver-
smith in Coventry-street, Haymarket. I know the prisoner.
He came to our house on the 4th April last about two or three
o'clock, and left with us 1,8001. on account of an order for
plate to the amount of 2,2001., which I had in hand for him.
He gave the order for the plate about ten days or a fortnight
before that time. I gave him an 1.0. U. for the 1,8001. The
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examined
quainted with Suisse's hand-writing. I think the writing in
the book, and the labelling on the bills, are his hand-writing. I
have just examined the bills which were handed into the Court
a short time ago. The date of the first payment of the bills
paid in 1842 was on the Ist of February, and the last on the
Bth. The amount of the whole is 5,058/. 19s. sd. The bills
of the year 1840 were paid in 1841, the first payment being
on the 21st January, and the last on the Bth April, amounted
to 4,464'.. 2s. In examining the other parcels of bills I did
not find any of the bills paid in 1842 amongst them.
Henry Peter Puller, examined by Mr. PHILLIPS-1 am a
surgeon and apothecary, and was in the habit of attending the
late Marquis of Hertford. In the month of January he was
attacked with bronchitis, from which he recovered, and in the
middle of February he was attacked again, and never re-
covered. He had a difficulty of speech towards the end of his
life, but he always appeared to me to be perfectly right in his
mind.

Cross-examined by Mr. THESIGER -I frequently saw
Suisse with the Marquis when I called on him. I should say
Suisse had the entire confidence of his master. Suisse was
taken ill on the 16th of February, was confined to his room,
great part of the tune in bed, and was certainly not capable
of waiting on the Marquis during hls last illness.
Suisse was attacked with erysipelas on the chest and head.
From the state of the Marquis's body, it must have been
a very disagreeable and irksome duty to attend upon him. If his
Lordship were properly kept from his state of semi-paralysis,
he would require shifting and constant attendance every hour of
the day and night. 1 know nothing of the habits of the Mar-
quis. I did not choose to know them. Sometimes Suisse paid
me my fee, sometimes the Marquis gave it me, and sometimes
Suisse gave it to the Marquis, and the Marquis gave it to me.
Re-examined by Mr. KELLY. —When Suisse gave the money
to the Marquis or me, I think he generally went to some place
to get it. Did not take it from his pocket. When Suisse
was incapable of attending upon the Marquis, in his last ill-
ness, a man names Foot attended upon him. Foot used also
to attend upon the Marquis when Suisse was well, under
Suisse's direction. A female, named 'Mademoiselle Henriette,
assisted Suisse during the last two or three days of his Lord-
ship's life.
Be the COURT, at the request of Mr. Thessiger—Mr.
Croker was with the Marquis two or three days before his death.
One night Mr. Croker went to Kensington--the remainder of
the time he remained at the Marquis's house. The Marquis
was in danger a considerable time before Mr. Croker arrived.
Mr. Croker was called by Mr. Kelly, and examined by Mr.
THESIGER—I have been very intimate with the late Marquis
for the last 30 years. I never supped with him. I have dined
with him occasionally. I did not know Mademoiselle Henriette.
I knew Miss Borelle. I have dined with her several times at
the Marquis's table. Ido not know who she was, or any thing
at all about her. Mademoiselle Borelle attended Lord Hert-
ford, and, in my opinion, much more as a nurse than anything
else. Ido not think she lived at Dorchester House. Ido not
know whether she used to go there at night, and go away in the
morning. She lived in Clarges-street. I never called on her
there. 'Che way I ascertained where she lived was as follows:
The Marquis took me a drive in his carriage and stopped in
Clarges-street. 1 asked him what that was for, and he said, "To
take up Felicite Borelle." I said, " Excuse me, I cannot ride
in the carriage with you and Felicite Borelle." I gave orders
to have Suisse apprehended, on the same day that he was ap-
prehended. I had known Suisse for twenty years. Ido not
exactly know what you mean by being in the entire confidence
of the Marquis, but I should say that he was not in his entire
confidence. He appeared to be a very faithful and devoted
servant. Ide not know that, for the last ten years, Suisse paid
large sums of money for the Marquis. I know that hehas been
in the habit of doing so for the last few months, because, I
have seen the banker's book, which referred to the last few
months. Ido not think I was present when Suisse was told
that a very large legacy was left to him by his late master.
Marquis of Herttord examined by Mr. KELLY-1 did not
arrive in England till after the decease of my father. I did
not arrive till the 9th March. I had not seen my father since
my last residence in England. I recorstmended Suisse to my
father 29 years ago as a servant. He had been previously in
the employ of an officer in my regiment. My father treated
him in a very confidential manner for a servant. Suisse told
me on several occasions that he had disposed of some money
which he received on a cheque from Messrs. Contts in the pay-
ment of bills.
Cross-examined by Mr. THESIGER—I did not tell Suisse at
any time that a legacy had been left to him by my father. He
used to come and talk to me on a variety of subjects, and I said
to him once, " You are now very rich, and will probably be
independent." He very civilly offered to do anything for me
that was in his power. I said no, he was now probably inde-
pendent.
Re-examined—l never heard anything about a legacy men-
tioned to Suisse. I think the remark I made to him was made
two or three days before his apprehension.
This was the case for the prosecution.
Mr. THESIGER then rose to address the Jury on behalf of
the prisoner. Supposing that the whole of the case, as stated
by the unhappy man at the bar were true ; that he had paid
over the balstreo of the monies to his master; he would ask
them how it would be possible for him to prove that he had
done El, ; and )et they were called upon, on the present occa-
sion, to reverse every presumption ; they were called on, not
only to presume that he was a criminal, but that there was a
crime—that he had not accounted for money ; and the prosecu-
tion attempted to throw upon him the necessity of showing that,
which from the continued close confidence which existed be-
tween him and his mater, would he next to an imposibility. He
(Mr. Thesiger) felt himself hampered and harrassed by the
particularly delicate situation in which the unfortunate man
wis placed. He had nothing but feelings of the deepest grati-
tude to his roaster and benefactor; he was desirous that the
veil should not be lifted up which might disclose circumstances
to operate to his advantage; he was almost content to become
than expose the character
a tacrifice to this prosecution rather