The Sun.
London, England, 1818-03-18 00:00:00

TAXES DEFAULTERS,

Mr, BROUGNAM put (.)U his .motion res-pccting
Collection of the Assessed Times, the abuses

that to.trit place-in that branch, and the defaulters,
till after the Holidays. lie gave notice at. the
same time that- lie should move to-morrow foe an
account of the ,particular districts, and the de-
faulters mentioned in a circular issued by the Tax
Office, and dated the Ist of December last, and
concluded by moving for a copy of :that circular
itself.—Agreed to.
littouonAse then called the compassionate
attention of the Right H''n. Gentleman oppo-
site (the Chancellor of the Exclave') to the
hardships slitiered by those who, on account of
defaulters, were obliged to pay their Taxes twice
over after the money had been invested. In the
case of a late de.aulter in the Ordnance Depart-
ment, who had ah=conded with 20.0001. the dif-
ference was to be made rip chiefly by half-pay
Officers, that class to whom every possible mercy
should be shown. He only mentioned this in the
hope that the Right lion. Gentleman might apply
I imself to find some remedy to soften those
hardships.
Sir J. NEWFORT moved for an Accratat of. the
several Unions of Parishes in Irelaint, in conse-
quence of Orders in Coo cil. signed by the Lord
Lieutenant, under the 2,1 o George 1. and subse-
quent Irish statutes, specifying the dates of such
Ordei s in Council, awl the Dioceses in which the
unions had taken place.; and also for an Account
of the several Distotious of Parishes under the
same Acts.—Agreed to.
Mr. BRouGnAat inquired what progressahe Tax
Office had made in destroying the Returns for the
Property Tax, pursuant to the Orders of the
House ?
The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER was un-
derstood to defer giving an answer till to-morrow,
that he might make inquiry.
Mr. BROUGHAM was the more eager to have
those returns destroyed, as he had seen many
proofs of their existence since his last motion.—
He had at this. moment in his pocket the return
of the property of a respectable Clergyman,Which
he was grieved to see was under 1001. a year.
SAVING BANKS.-
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER' asked
leave to bling in a Bill to amend the Saving
Banks Act, and, as it was understood, to enable
Subscribers to receive their interest without taking
their. principal out. He congratulated the coun-
try. on the establishment of those Banks, and their
progreaa, and stated, from a paper which he in-
tended to move should be laid before the House,
that the.amountof money paid in.by Saving Batiks,
front the fish of August to the 1 1 th of Match last,
was 657,0001.
General. THORNTON objected to the rate of in-
terest given to the Subscribers to these Banks.
Four and an half per cent. was more than could
he got any where else, and would induce persons
for whom this benevolent establishment had not
been formitd to endeavour to abuse its advan-
tages: It the interest were reduced.to one and an
half, it would satisfy the lower classes, who only
cared for security not interest.
Sir J. NE,% PORT thought Unit to reduce the in-
terest would be to give a death blow to these es-
tablishments. Any expense to which the coun-
try might he put would he amply repaid by
the habits of morality, prudence, frugality, and
good order, which they introduced among the
people.
Alger a few words from Mr. Babington and Mr.
Thompson, leave was given.
e CHANCELLOR of the ExciIEQUER then
moved for an Account of the Sums vested by se-
veral Saving Banks in England, to the 11th of
March, 1818.—Agreed to.
NAVY ESTIMATES.
Mr. BROGDEN having brought up the Report
of the Committee of Supply,
Mr. Foa Bea called the attention of the Hotiae to
the situation of the wounded Officers of the Navy,
who ou'ltt to receive for loss of limbs the same
pensions as the Officers of the Army. By the
Navy Estimr:tes, however, it appeared that they
received 501. less for the same kind of wounds than
Army Officers. A Post Captain held the same
rank as a Colonel in the Army ; yet the half-pay
of the former was only 280/. a year, and that
of the latter 3001. He then alluded to the situa-
tion of Pursers, and partienlady to that of Pursers'
Clerks, who consisted chiefly of Midshipmen who
had passed, and, alter serving eleven years as
Pursers' Clerks, were now thrown entirely upon
the world The first 200 Pursers had Zs. a day ;
the next 300, 45.; and the last 400 only 3s. Ile
hoped the subject would attract the attention of
those whose duty it was to remedy such hardships.
Mr. CRoK au conten;hed that nothing could he
more ignorant and mischievous than the statement
of the lion. Gentleman. The imputation which
it conveyed was totally unjustifiable. He ought
to have learned the state of the two services
before he asserted that their half-pay %vas not
equal. It was true that a Lie-wen:int.:Colonel
in the Army received sixpence alday more
than the younger class of Post-Captains, but then
those Post• Captains went on without promotion
till they were full Post-Captains, when their pay
was hlgher than that of Lieutenant-Colonels. He
would state as a proof, that in 1814 there were
200 .of the younger class of Post-Captains who
received ed. a-day less than 1,100 Lient.•.Colonels
at that time in the Army. Now, the .former re-
ceived the full pay of Post-Captains, equal to
that of Colonels, whilst the latter did not get one
farthing morte than in 1814. As to the Pursers,
they were in a better state titan they could have
been before, for even the Royal. Yacht was not
worth more than 701. a year to its Purser. !k at,
they felt the improvement in theirsituations so well,
that he had received no complaint whatertr,from
the in. With respect to Pursers' Clerks, there were
no such persons. There was the Purser's Ser•
vast, who carved
,the cheese and provisions,' bitt
that,Was a common man. The Hon.Geptlernau
perhaps meant the Captain's Clerk, but lie was the
Captain's own servant, engaged solely by him, and
discharged at will, entirely unconnected with the
public service, and therefore not. susceptible of
half-pay. He (Mr. C.) thought he had some rea-
son to complain that the Hon. Gentleman shoold
come down to read him a lesson which be had
not learnt himself. The flon;flir.ablq Gentle-
man • ought to have made himself, acquainted
With what the Board of Admiralty had done
for the advantage of all classes of the ser-
vice, %% lien he would have found more rational ini;.

proVefferit crriivaca into a ti.rde of 5 or 6 years
than haft been effecter) by former Administrationq
in 13, 16, or even 23 'years preceding. Btit he
by no means Meant to say that any blame what-
ever attached to those diVrent Administrations.
They had been thiefly'engaged in wars, but it
appeared that they had been equally zealous for
the uacal service, tliotiO their efforts had not

been so Comprehensive or effectual. The present
°dicers of the Admiralty had for several years
devoted ten hours .a day to their arduous ditties,
and it was theu'efore hard' to hear Gentlemen come
down and accuse them of injustice and partiality.
Mr. Mot+7l.ol thought the Hon. Gentlema❑ had
misapprehended his tlon. Friend. Withont wish-
ing to disparage the Army, whose great achieve-
ments were so justly the theme of our exaltations,
it must be well known, that unless the Navy had
performed those essential pans of the service
which had made way for the Army, the latter
could never leave achieved those triumphs. The
Ilan. Gentleman concluded with passing a high
eulogiuM on the conduct of the Navy before

Algiers.
Mr.llusKtssozst thought the lion. Gentleman
who sp,ke la,t most' have persimded himself that
the flouie had never before heard of the achieve-
ments of the British -Navy, or that they bad been
forgotten. Bit the naval men kneW, thotiOt -they
were not in England,'ehat the Houses of Parlia-
ment anti. the country 'recognised their serVicet
with feelings of pride, trintnph, and gratitude,
anti had, given them marks of their munificence
and generosity, as bi the grant of 100,0001.10 v the
victory of Algiers. But they had never looked to
any other reward than prize-mony, and he was
surprised at the Ilonottrabl Gentlemall's state,
meat on this point ; for if the accounts could
be procured, it would be seen that there was'no
war, nor any three wars together, in the annals
of the country, that had been so productive
in prize-money as the last. Ile would maintain
that nothing wa§ more false, unfontided, and mis-
chievous, than exciting a jealousy between the
two branches of service, by comparisons between
the half-pay, and assertions that the one was
greater than the.other. It was the Naval prize-
money that afforded in time of war the prospect
of independence and wealth,while in the Anil' the
prize:mbney was next to nothing. Could the
1-lon. Gentleman resist an appeal for the increase of
half-pay to the Army. if he were now to,catry his
point in behalf of theNaVy ?The lion. Gentleman
(Mr. 11.) tlien went into a comparative statement
of theitalf-pay, and showed hoW.the deei4ons. of
the Medical Boards regulated the' ammint of the

pensions for the loss of a limb or w her serious
wounds. He concluded with OhserVing, that it
must be seen what little 'ground there was for the
assumed grievances, and that it. was -in vain for
Gentlemen who made these Charges to diSclaim
partiality, when they were brOught forward, Ses-
sion after Session,.Withiitit any just foundatioth;
Arr. FORERS, in reply to' the Hon. Secretary,
observed, that he might have saved himself the
trouble' of the statements he 'had male, as they
were all to be found in a pamphlet which watt ge-
nerally known, entitled, " Observations on the
Claims of the' N•41;y;'" hitt only 2000/."or 3000/.
would make up all the diffet ethic that was asked,in
equalizing the pensions 'for the wocnded; and this
was refused. lie denied haviiig made any invidi-
ous comparison between the two services ; and in-
sisted that 'nothing wan 'more coin Mon .than for a
Midshipman to become a Captain's Clerk, and af-
terwards a Purser, though lie 'nti.;ht not have ex-
pressed himself correctly in 'calling it 'promotion.
He had no objection to a'dniii that the Admiralty
had done a great deal for the'Navy; .but it should
be recollected that it was only since he (Mr. F.)
and other-Gentlemen had begun 'to talk about the
hard case of the Midshipmen, that upwards of

1000 of them had been- rai3ed•to the rank of Lien-

tenants, and they were satisfied. But the 'gene-
ral complaint of•the'\avy was, that they were'not
on the footing they'Onelit !to be,' in. comparison
with Officers'of 'the Army. All, therefore, he
wished was, that the' Navy should be equally well
taken care of.

After a few words from Mr. CROKETI, expres-
sive of his readiness to explain every item in the
Committee to the satisfaction of the House, the
Resolutions were agreed to. •

On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Ex
CHEQUER, the Report on the- High lie-
mmirration Bill was -ordered to be fofther consi-
dered on Monday the 6tb of April.