The Sun.
London, England, 1816-04-06 00:00:00

SATU APRIL 0; 1816.

IMPERIA.I.; PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, AritlL 6.

. The Hortie niet•at ten o'clock' ri tine Morning,
and proceeded it) Appeahi.l
thionaparte's Detention the St: Helena
Intercourse tind sonic other 'Bills, were
'brought, up .front tile Huse of Commons by Mr.
Brogden, Mr. Lyttleton, ,anti other Members.
1117SSIAN LOAN IN HOLLAND. ,;
Lord. KING. asked,the.Nobia Earl (Liverpool}
Whether there was any objection to present an
Account of the .Swats paid by this Country for
Interest and Sinking ilsond of the ttlissititt Dutch
Lotto ? The Treaty relative to this master stated,
to the preamble; that the King ofthe Netherlands.
was- desitritt‘ to tuajte,a suitable return to those
svlto had•ex veiled the French, and restored !inn
to his country; and the. suitable retard to this
country, which hail Inateri,ffly contributed-to these
events, was. that he accepted from us the interest
of two millions of money: '.l'he. general appro..-
hation of tire Treaties dill übt. imply .nn approba-„,
tion of all their details.• ••• . ,
The Earl of Ltraaroot, taid, '.that the subject'
,of the Treaty hail been hi jhe last and presetpt
.Session diicussed and approved 0f... • Certainly the
approval of the Treaties gtnerallv itnplied an ap--
ps:ohat ion of the principle of,. this 'treaty. Ito as
to tile nefotua, he thought it had been before.'On
the table. If the Noble. Lord had looked at the
papers, and was tatistied that it had not been pro-
duced, then certainly lie could have'no objection
to the account.

• Alter a few words front the Earl at Rosst.N'N
and Lord IluLt.iwo, the Illation was made and
agreed to. •
Lord GeENVIGLE moved the tirinting of a Bill
(as tve noderitood hint to say) on the taLie rela-
tke to, Norden College. Ordered.

EMPLOYMENT OF THE Al [MARY.
The Earl ut .Essnx rose vitti Ole seriona
tentiou of their Lordships,to eircanistance hich
lie thought,of great iu,foi•tithee, not as it affect-
, -ed hints'elf perhtaally, or, as to-its inunediate
feeig, but perspectively, and as to its lltagibie
eventual consequences, and particularly wlth
re-
tercrice to 10 effects ill a constitutional point of view.
The Noble Earl then related the eirctunstance or
stopped in his cart big*, in which
8 Noble Friend of his was also riding, near the 01(1
01-Pall4lail yesterday; by u soldier on horseback,
'otactly it; the vetty it riis stated by the Noble
l'ersonag,c ollnderi to (Lord 1110;m1) in at ntner
slonwr of Parliament. His Lordship utltlecl, kg
44 eti ,:uve-171 tor some 'perAot)
vested with the:civil. potter to recur to for the
.pieceiletry. redress. lle remonstrated %t ith the
itnt roily fur stoppiog the e;irriage, brit,
for striklog the horses.; upon which the ;Han said,
Le would not only cut the horses but would cut
"him 100. What took place, he could not con-
sider less than as an absolute assault., and he was

ndvised to, proceed. legally against the offender;
luitmtder the circumstances, he
...deemed it pre-
ferable to commoiticate the matterto,the
confident of the and sense and discretion of their
Lordtdiips, as to the must 411igetthle.%yily.of con-,
slat:ring
The, Earl of LI S'ERPOOL observed, that the RIC
Tangement, out of which' the disagreeable Cit..,
emus:a:ice of which the Noble Earl coMplaioed of,
bad 'arisen, was matte solely for the politic accom-
modation, and general Convenience. Of late years
the number of Levee dayior Drawing.rooms had,
from obvious circumstances, deciiastul ; Miturally.
the crowds %vivito curiosity' drew 10 well events,
were considerably greater than heretofore, tvhich
rendered the employment of Military assistance,','
iu the preserViitilt• of order,and-cl,•atrng
!iitleS.t,U Coon, ofteocr necessary tlCatritliail beiho
fortnerlY, when he believed, on not more dinp
;two or i.liree days in the year suet) usskt.itire li id
been recurred to. Public and Individual eon 4.-
oigoce wa,,:_the only object in view, and he be-
tiered if such on arrangement bud, not been made
tor militaly ossistarice, the inconvenienees, would
be much greater than any that wert felt from the
recurrence.

The Earl of ESSEX adverted to the unconsti-
tutionality of employing a military. force on sack
oveat•ions,, in preterence to the.Civil.porrer, which
may he easily colleet ea in sitflicient strength for
,the purpose. % Ile remembered those, giwd old
Om 's, when he could go to Court without any
military iliterference,at all ; they were et present
ealploved and tended to endanger the lives of his
Majesiy's subjects ; and he expreesed his
.hope,
that some other mutple would. be adOpted for the
purpose of preserving regularity, which woald not
be liable to such serious and numerous objections.
Lord CiasitvviLut thought the •ntatter worthy
the most serious conshleration of Parliament. Un-
constitutional -employments of the military had
generally small 'beginnings; these were over.
looked, and _then greater lengths
..were gone to,
founded on, those nequiesences. Evils of this Milli
should be decidedly checkcil at the outset. it wag
the duty of the Executive Government to maintain
the peace of the' etropolis,, and they-were only,
\viten called upon by necessity, to employ the mi-
litary iii tiid of the civil power, ands:tinder the
direction of the civil power. In this case there.
was Alagistrate, not even a civil officer present,
;to take into custody those who drew their swordS
',quirt the Kitties suljerts, and ass,thlteci them in
their Carriages. It any peace officer had refused to
take inch an offender into custody, he:'wouid stand
Itimscif 'amenable to the Laws, lie would say, the
military cannot be- jaitifiably -employed, unless
-Where the peaceoflieers, or their nasicamts, were
insufficient et the time to 'maintain the, peace. of
the reidot on (lie spot. in such a Case as that-hem
lOrsithent there was no -prekext.for.the employ 7

rPittel; SEVERPEiqCE:

• •
merit: of a military force. Thetlictum of a Noble
• and Learned Lord should be ever present in their
meinCniet :7-‘! ft was eSseutial that the people of
this country should be taught tij look-up to the
civil power for protection; einiVitot to a military
'.` ,force ;"-;:itt tentitnent.which could never he too
strongly inculcated. He %vita. Ohl enough to-re»
member when the City of London was three-days its
flames, and not before, When it was ordered its.
, Council that rt.military fOree should be called in to
. act tinder the direetions.of the Civil MagistrateS.
The case complained of by his Noble Friend, l 4
Inuit COntend Was nit a light matter; where awl.
-diet,' with a drawn sword stopped by force the rn-
gyess of his carriage, tint! threatened insultingly
to cttt himself &own. If he 11$4 proceeded, it
would be to justifiable lionticithe to have ,put the
death. On the other band; the mars %tong
be amenable rtii. his lite' to the utmost possible ex
rent of the lakt': Therefov4s, if the practice waS,to
• be continued, they must akei 'the law, so as tti,'
Correspond with it.
The Loan CUANCE'LLdIi felt himself Called upon
sitra few wiirds, in consetplence of what luta
liAisegl.in this discussion. With respect to what • •
took place in the riots of 1780, he had only to
say, that he had the ,alithority of all the Lawyers..
whose opinibns he had heard 'upon the Object., itt
saying, that the -public interests on that:occaSiou
were.permitted to be 'endangered to an' ex tent, for
which those who hell the Goverment at the time
Were. deeply responsible. A military tmin, on he-•
corning a girldier, does not cease to be it citizen ;
it is.- part of his duty to contribute to (be pre-
, mention of the peace ; twit he would say, if
-ever there was a period when the Constitution:
and the laws Were most shamefully sacrifleed, it watt
daring the- three first days of those mentor
able dots. With respect to the present case, he
knew nothing of what passed yesterday ; War
he iVould venture to say, that sini:e ever he had the
honour of attending St. James's,,buscarcely knew
a.iiine he was able to .arrive there without some
nssistance of the kind being called on and. as to.,
the idea that a Soldier could not Id legally called its.
to assist without the intervention of a el'eace Of-
ficer, it was a mistaken one. hoped however
that the soldier, thought a citizen, would alWii yS
be ;t situation so as to act tender the Peace
ficcr; hut what fell from .the Noble Lora, which.
,as he understood him, appeared' to fall little short
of thts., that it any, man struck a horse, that matt
may be.put to death

J4Ord GRBNvit.Lt: spoke in eNplanation, chiefly
tvith•refereuce to vtiott he conceived to he the ac-
tool law in the ease referred to by the Noble luta
-„Lvostased I,llr,Litsui likusklf. •
The ,MAICIidS Of fiU CKINO eXPr aged hi*
:pinion that it would be satisfactory it the Noble
tlortl,.to Iv-hose depar, men; the peace of the met vo.
poliS was liOppolVtl to he confided,' would give.
some assmatteeto their Lordship', that the proe-,
Ike complained of would he discontinued.
Viscount SwAtouTti said,- lie knew nothing of
thesrentnstances of the case which had been the .
subject of discitsiion
.; but if the Noble Lord
DiCallt to, state that the practice of calling out the
military•for the purposel adverted te,was in the
1160pailinent of tire Secretary of State, he would
beg his Lordship to understand, the Secretary of
State had no concern with those orders, ucithtr
had he any reason to„ believe that (licit! were OOL
peaCe.ollicers at different parts at the time. There.
were,no orders issued front the Secretary of. Stith?*
(Mice on such occasions ; but it may be impress-
ed on their Lordships' minds, that care would ho
taken, on future occasions. (as wcousideration,
'circumstances seemed to impose the duty), that
the Civil„Officers should be in attendance for the
purposes_ alluded to,

_ .
The Alartinis of IluotwonANs expressed hint.
self perfectly,. sit I ihhed' With. the declaration of the
Noble Lord its to the cote itttended to be ta4en
on !inure occasions of the kind.

'Tire Karl of KINGSTON stitted intention • tt., •
submit a Motion to their Lordships on. 1.1 'attire
day Ole partictilar time we•cutild not collect) oti,
the 4911ject of Irish Tythes.
Lord HOLLAND, recurring to the subject jot
under their Lordships' consideration, deprceated
any practices which would CCIIIIII3III th pl!OpliZ
IS) loolk tipon.the Military, not Uti their scrvant:,,
but as their masters.

' The Lurl pf•LIVER POOL eras re:idy lts admit the:
ATillotry could iiikt he hit% fully;.topiorLd hot 'Older
tkie civil Power, pod referred, to the intitru
Oyett,hy liis Noble,Friend, that oireetioni should
.bo given as to an ample auentiance of thc latter.
._harl,Gll4)( made tt few rellifirlig uiton the ocept
81911, and depreettteti. thy prnctice, which tended—
tO commit, to the solttiery.the..execuriou
'duties pettce olliceirs ttuy eonsitler,Ation of the
ititni should be viewed With the ittutobt jeAlottsy
ou the part of i),tili.toletit nod the people.