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t,thet in the 121. h .of Chadei the etontl., which I
icts the surrender, liy Act of ?ornament, +ot the •I
nights' service anti wardship. Hi had omitted
40 mention the 4 per cent. West Indiel.
tie aid not constokr that in the sante light. flow,.
br by what progress of abuse, that food had'
lotind'its- way into the possession .of the Crown,
,did not know. ntir tad he. beetr.olite to trace.
It Was Granted originally.by the A‘sembly of Bar,
badoes it, the year 16G3, ,or the P"ril°se 6t' de-
rayin incitlent to the GovernMent of
that groin (vent it hail got by degree§ to..
be usurped by the Parliament, of his country, anti
in this transact ion alone there Was enough to anew
the necessity of emluding,t hese Droits frrilli the
PaTreinage' of the Croton. 1n the first itisia'nee
this hind belotvged to the-Islaml,:and not to .tbe
Mother Countryi. the ((other Country got hold.
of it, the Paili..metit got it, and the .Clown 1.!Ot
it from the Parliament. hu seyet Acts; it was
to.umerated as part of the hereditary reve.ritieS.
',The Island ealne forward, and Cuniplailled cif
OP! total misappropriativnof the fund, which .had
been oliginollyitoeudell fOr keeping it, lepai,
Fettain tooilications and. hi,ilditu. of the 61af,d,.
ttlinishintCher ni.44eizittes-, Tie petition Was
.o tt C,tuntit tee, is bn reprdted:!hat the
littitioners were, right, aid had jos, cOoSe of coo-
plaint. Au address was made to Queen AOtte'ott
thr subject, wt.o, in -consequence, gave directions.,
that* the fitud'sbouldbe given'stp, and Boni that'
moment it haul been lost sight ot, and it now ap-
ared in the hands of the CrOwn4.• . The. history
theut Whole.t ben, was, Parliament took it from ( he
4laniteiS=the islanders couiplaine4-;-Parliatueitt
trwmises hs give it boa attain---its stops- half
‘l s.t'y, and remains with the Crown. 1-e hod noW,
one through- the whole of the subject, and he
troAted the lionke would believe that. he regretted
inort th,elargv portion of their time which he had
occupied, than the trouble he had himself had its
the details of the estion. All that he nom
I#ig.ged of them' tb consider %Val, that the argu-
'lndus. which had been otred when it was
Wrought torViard !ailed, nOW ; tts they Were now
arranging a neWtivil It'qatel)--
I) they refused • now; to go into • this ingiriry upon
it view-of the isA, of the subjec't, of its principle,
tipon-its analogy with inecedents and pa.'allels of
thriller thnes=it they refused now to doe away the
thAlesi of blots On Ot...national character, and
shot the-door It o» the "c'alittnnies of Onr-enetnieS,
Ility.yroold at once -teltise tbe.ooy -mode that' re-
*killed securi,y.tO the, Constitution arid credit
ti)ltie 'Crown, They Would. remenilier that.tbey
could' n t do at h future day what they refused to
that night ; but that- the Droits.wOOld rehmiu
far ever, : and perpetuate the stigma on the CllB-•
I'eter of this country. In conclnsiOn, the Hon.
4,41 Leatlleit Gentleman moved the following
Atesolivion

it is expedient, for 'the tniiire proper arran4ementnf
tieil-List, to talie into consideratton' the Drotts of.
" the
Adniiro,tly, the 4,1 per Cant. Fond of 'Wet India Doty,
te'ftztiiids not usually considered to he under the tont toll
trliolientreut., in order more effectually to make such. provi-
p-tv i ct,n;istentiiriththe honour and dignity of the-
i;!'own aro: fire i,,tertst of the subject." —(Cheers.)
.; CosvttNG contended—, in an elotintnt speecli,•
i`gainst what he deemed the intended innovation
tin the ltotiOttr Oignity thY4 Croirit in re-
tioying Ile e(int..roill of llcse toads.. . tre.thought
molt ungracii.,iis return for 11.‘e declaration !A
the Sgtrrcigst 'hat lie %vit.:bed no addition to the
t't'iticturr,t 0t.'116,. to vegnire an exarnitiao-ion into
thase accounts, in order.rto see, that as there %rea
lm ti..-ficitncy co,niplitiactl.ot, if lees wo,.1(1 not, do.
In rt ply to the algr,tnent, of t!,e lion. Gentleman
Iss to the d,fretettee of pensions granted by Pat lia•
'ent and those by the Crown, the pit.a of the
•Gentivovto Was the one be b:rnielf should
lave used. to prove how lunch tunic hern,liei•ily
'and t 4 Otto Ml,•liytltttt 11441(1 managed
'tsnfiet •be•patronage or a King than of ..he Parlia-
11Vent. As be preferred the Spirit of a mo-
narchy to that of an open democracy, 'so he wool,:
rather see that fund disp,sed of by-the CrOnro,
than subjected to the captious often:me, tilz-
-110115-44eirerosity which might be evinced in the
*rants from it by Parliament. It was a r,:ric;,;.
"character t-O give a fluid, thy first pentior on
Vliich was tord 'Chadians, and the last But k c, to
‘tlal• it a secret otte. Surely the roost b.unglir:g
'otivisers of Government could not hive selected'
I'l'6 such tinforlinate names' to .ccin.nect. Vliih
lereey. Mr. Burke was hiinstli an economical
I.lormer, and yet he' had consented to recieiv'Sl,is
trnsion from this fund. 'Would be have talsen.
11,e money if lie had not felt that' he had g„0(1
El'ottnds for so doing Itc4r, bl•ar.!)—
entrid env Gentleirtan Ilejle then by i si,Jre to
liirttinish the weight of that great
,1111311'S nitrite iuul
°Pinions, or suppose that either cotittl te affected
El a tHitet ? If so he envied not his feeling,,, he
hsirt'd not to possess his mind or affections. 13;if,
Ile (Mr. Burke) was as far tint of tite reach Of
svy now, as tie was above emulation in his life..
e (Mr. Canning) hail only inautiuned this, to
I:hew that in accepting his peolott, Mr.
,Burke
,414(1 felt that his rielit,could not ire clogged at the
'''lttOtn, Mr. Burke had himself stated, that.
tlen he prepared tits retormation of
,the Pension
AlBt lie and his friends had this' fund in toll
Fiery, but were aft aid to meddle with it , well
flowing its character acid uses. For his own
I;4' t, he would coact to the Honourable Memo-
"-, that it would be as' well in future to Lty the
if counts of that fund and its application before
`"liantent as a matter of course, its the begin-
ttgig or each :.ession. ile next sitevved t'lat out
9,700,0001. Di °its of the,Admiraity. 5,372;000!
been paid to captors ; of the remaiNder
1,000,0001. half been applied to the public services,
)300#0001. in Aid 'of the -Civil List, 40,0001. in
ftdhe of the 4i per cent. west India revenue;
remainder, which hAd-been spent among the
I,7tti Family, and in the entert moment of foreigt)
• ,111"( es, amounted nitogethet to 376,0001. every
116 g of which was' communicai hts ed to Yac.
"11- • He' questioned the accuracy of the state-
d: of the lino. Member, as to the 42 pet' cent.
(4 les, anti he denied the danger. of tr.stin4 the
Ice! 'lntent with the con ls
tro' of the :1;11161'41(Y
The Right Hon. (7enileman con i tied,
41:,t-',o far from the interest which the C:rowit
taiiott
in the Dioits having operated as 88y tent!).
to War, 'bat it, mote than three or four
t* nets it had act prescryeil *is lit race in
I)kti
lcul,er, he vvutiltl trtnitid the Hollow able and

Lear'net relitlemsn of the cese of tlie SWedish
conVoy, ill which the power 4:f the CrUWit over
the Droits had enabled it to prevent a war. It
was the pride and priviiree of• essemblies like
that House, to ltrok with a jealous eye oil
:he ehareets-r, on that subject to
entertain err-Ilona tit the tnost'hielt and romantic
bonintr. Theo lie could contend that to avoid
war it was necessary that it should rem-,in under
the control of 'lie Crown, until every chilli, either
or captors oe others, had been adjii.•t.;cted It
ought till then to reniain out of the sight, out of
the knowledge of 11:e lilt iis
isoowledge be melitit ; to'r wire they to
Conte down t•-, iiret House and iay, the Crown
has seized t certaiii• tiiierbee of ships, what Witold
roltow i-vl7ll, that whoteVer reasons of policy
tit gin exist to rend,' it expedient not to .coetioue.
the war, the national booOtrr Would be et'ontiiit-
ted, end they would he- compelled to periever.,olet
hatever inotives woulA forbid. He wax stir-
prised to find the -Hon. Lied Leinted Gentle-
met) had ,tatteti praetical ativatitages or goOd
grounds in getterkd poecy., for the alterioion which
he propoie,!, which could- Antince the
House Au eo more than the Ministers were willing
fo d;t. l'ltey, Were dez„o oils of stibitiitting toTal-
litimeto theoecrooncor evely item ut the' droits'ai
they arose, troos the first nucleus wirier Was form-
ed even to the last particle : that security they
were reatii ; but assA tight of t::e Crowd
existing- and exerted as all rights ought to be for
the heitefit of the people,• he most contend for
its preset vr.tinn.—(lieer.)—The only temptation
hsch Intl !trio held out to them to depart front
es;ahliStied. usage, 'an''' delay. the Civil List,
wasoo rub out all traces of a feudal
,monatcliy;
and to reduce the Sovereign to the simple state of
the President of the United States. He was cer-
taihFy deSirous that his prejudices should never
stand jut he way of any public good, yet he mint
coiiiesa that be was one who did not wish to get
rid of those traces of the olden time which re-
tuaioed to us. 1-le kueiv tbat nothitig was more
easy and aimple than haVing a stipendiary King,
acid there'avise' lintone 'step turibee to take, Which
he marvelled' the Learned Gentleman had not
proposed, and that was, that the Millisters and
Officers of the King sboiild be approved. if ,not
cbdien by-that Houle. Voe his pail, he did not
think. that the monarchy would be more useful
by iteitigeparated. from the dross of ages, nor
would those Gentletneit who had twined twit
opinions. Nolo those of Paine, be hit more sa-
tisfied Vibe Crown was stripped hifore them of.
every jewel it possessed.-e-(1-lear, hear !)—He
ditiotot tkiink'thatie could be desirable to destroy
those
~..Pores of eircionvella:ton, which were drawn
round the person of the Sovereign by the inter-
visition' of his Tslioisters, and through them, lie
'thanked God, the at ms of traitors lutist break be-
fore they could toueli the person of the Stiveßige.
--e-(Hear, heer-I)—Any measure, therefore, Which
tended to separute the Sovereign front his legal
astlvisers, would be deeply to he deprecated. The
Honourable aurl Lealned Gentleman had anitised
himself and the House bYeitPcoieg o'llteir view
certain incongrunns items of the Civil lAA; but.
highly es lie admit ed that Leerited Gentleman's
talents in all his ,exertioes of .them, he must say
•
he was astonished at the few advantagesrhe bad
proposed r u induce 'hens to adopt his ideas :•in-
deed he had. aimself, at the close of his speech,
furtriseal'as sufficient refutation of his notions, for
he had told thew that he It4tl otot made up his
mind whethei ;lost it-isolated, that stineadisry King,
should or !itittlil no,' have the poses to chissehis
ipso ...its. hold. If he .1 iii not mode up hik• mind
on this subject, his pi.in was still as open to' ridi-
cule as- the .preseoit arralgernetr :‘ tailless indeed
Iris Sovereign was to pot- his household onboard
w ges,an:l dine.himselfar a chop-Noose, ortierwise
oh' monstrous peetlision! he 'nigh be guilty of
having more 'isliet'ort the tunic titan. he torrid
hiaself eat ; audoltoreh ioes, talgb „et rid of the,
,tronby I,Ticar of !he told the worthy lions
at the Yow.o..also--(Lsogliiiig) yet lie must still
toisiotaio oceourits of groceries, of hotter and of
Hain, of oranges" an] leturins.; he must still hase
a stationer, to brazier, and a joiner-=(Laughter)
—lie would still have to enter charges of beer,
hie'tid-,' and • But all these he hatl not merle
tip his mind to do without, and to these points
its Much ricltcalc •toultt attach as to those he
wonid so unsparingly discard. He bad expected
thee the 1-ina. and iotarbell Gentleman's plat]
ts,(stild nave contained some great practical adroit'.
lages, anti he was'. witch disappointed to find it
simply' a - plan for dividing lee King tront-t be
spiencionr aud-stao.. ,+t:h ought to attach to him
--sea tsoe'ect 4'S little worthy the trial as it was in-
viihißis anti objectiottuble‘ All the objections
now urged were in existence at former periods,
when tOe Civil 'List was reeked ; and at every
jeep aome improvement bad bteo effected ; it the
greater io!elligence 'which now prevailed on the
subject was considereditogether with the le.ss deefee
of complexi on t'oe siihket, It wotild be though:
that though not the sunitutint bonunt, yet !bat
tittle remained to be complaiired of. Ile
thought that every thing WhiCh Was es'sen'tial was
done -previous to the settlement. iii 1816 ; and
the only tendency of the present proposal,wes, by
separating the Sovereign troth bis servants, to
render his person inorenronsitient than at present.
He could not think it 'necessary to cut nom 'the
Crown every ancient jeovel which adorned it, or to
destroy that illusion, not delusion', which resulted
(root 'heir splendour ; he was not for tearing, the
drapery from the Monarchy which both supported
and tolortred it. Altogether, he thought the object
ill-hdvised and ill-sopportA ; if indeed any new
demands hed been made by the Ministers, or any
the lightest indication given by the-Crown of a'
wistr to add to the bur& fig of the country, then
die House might indeett be carried further than
they originally intended to go. But there had not
beets a bit of argument adduced to' induce the
House to forego- the betiefi;s of en arrangement
which had had the advantage of four years satis-
factory expetience. • Whets he considered also the
.gracious wishes of his Majesty to save his people
all unnecessary expense, as evinced by his giving
op to the t 1 sposal of the 110113,e funds applicable to
otter services, but which loot fallen in ; to these
he thought they would make a very tin:various re-
,Oen, it they enter silted the mut i4)n of the Learned
!tenth man. - The Ministers, he contended, had
'done all that they ought to do but he was firm

n 'the maintenarkce .of every right of the Prom s.
tench was nor costly to the People or injurious
it; the. Cipnstitution —(Hear, .bear, hear !)—He
adinitted that, technically ...peaking, it Was a new
ing.which they were o:bating, hut reality
it was not ; in some eases the thing was.changed
,vhile the person remained the tame; but here the
person is changed but not the office.. The Hight
Hon. Gentleman concluded his.speech by siying,
that tie thought no suet) alterations as proposed
neeeqs.ii y ; they' would, if cart i,-(1 illtk) effect,
cause "no difference, no saving of expense ; or, if
a difference was made, it would be the other- way.
The Ministers hail redeeoied their plyilge; they
had added nothing ; no augmentaiion Was either
asked or desired, and iv hat ‘v.is more, it never
bid for one moment been in the contemplation of
Ministers to advise an filfgtaellThltiOn. It wah the.
:tore necessary to observe this, as !,,Ch 3 report
t 1 Id been in very teenerat circulation. He then
moved that the House du pass to the*Order of the
Orly.

Mr. 1.4110i1G11A14 and Mr. CANNING Mutually
CXpinitied.

Sir JAMES IIA'CKINTOSI-1 said, thitt if his'conduct in

that Hittite wa's governed by any other than motives of public
duly, he certainly should not by choice have to close in con-
tact with tire, brilliant speech of his Hon. and Learned Friend,
neither should he by choice set iiiinsclt in oe- 11 Sitou to the
,
tend eloquence of the Right Win. Gentleman' optiesite. In
answer 'to the Speech of his Learned and Ilan: Friend, a
speech so enttrely exempt ‘t*ciima all the usual olijeetions made
to those coating from tbatside of the House, he had expect-
.
hare heard so-aething in reply, except the brilliant fal-
lacies of the Ri.,,nt Hon. Gentleman, which be would now
set himself to expose; he would examine Isis points, for he
could call them arguments, though he did not wish to
weel.en the general effect of his speech, notwithstanding he
'oished to fasten on them the feudal King against which his
Honourable Friend' had protested. 1-le 'Should like to
be informed by the Right Hon: Gentleman hued our ancestors
bad been employed (in those good olden times so:admired by
bins), front the accession of Wilikaal..the Conqueror—why,
from the time of Magna Charta down to the abolition of
Wards and Liveiiei; they were occupied in taking away from
that feudal systens i. the attacks were first commenced by the'
Barons at Runnymede; and since then they hid: been, edit- •
tinued to this day. His Lion, Friend had admitted that since
the days of Charles 11. no Minister had advised a war as the
means of filling the /Nehequer. But it was not that the
posseSsioirof this fund was a temptatioss to declare war, but
it was a temptation to go to war without declaring it. He slid
not sas it was se, but lie deprecated the Crown otissessing-thiS
power, becanse in the eyes of foreign patioirs it was viewed with,
-jealousy ; And without abating as iota of ourmaritime rights,
bewould still say, that he should be t eady (novrio time of peace,
when it could onlyhe'impated to a sense of justice and not to
-weakness) to abolish all that only rendered us °dins wit hoot-
being formidable. The Honourable Member then asiverto
tollse'cOnsiti'et-of Amerlea, alto before the war of 18i2 giae
months' notiee,to alt
well
vessels to quit their ports.
and in soine'instances even extehdetilhe time. The power of
the • Aintrican Governmeot, to • do, this was disputed by the,
State of Misssaelmseits. The spiestion Was teii.4l tar to a
Jury', and they deCided that it, Was -riglitly done, And in cent-
witlethe law of nations, and ,what wit singular) to
Magrin Chartti.. one 'of thoSennonnments of 'that olden time-
to. which his Hoonuarule Friend lola spoken. 'The Droils
(uring the Amei ican war', 'he belis-ved, amounted to half'
• a million; ant :he aosuan• given to their Commissioners
at Ghent. wan claimed rss'itntion, was, that it couhl
not he'ruirde, as the food was in the powerof,thc Crown, and
the money diSpase t of. Aftej. this taut,
.could we wonder at
the jealousy of this fund.by foreign •cOuntriei-I The foolish
•Antereiani refer'eo itlagort;Cisarta for the low of nations; but
his lcy,lit•Hon. Friend looked to the time of the seieure of
the `mayrtta fleet. It wan very true, that, in the case of the
SvediS., Convey,' the Crown barivz this fund, weee enabled
'to make compensation; but the argument was. founded on
the assumplitio, that under no other, arrangement of the
fund could such compensation have beini made. Bat if he
could slsew that, such arrangement. could he made, then the
Whole of the Right Himont-Mile Gentleman's classical speech
fell to the grouted, for lie had- engaged only to answer I,ls
reasoning, not. to rivdl his eloquence. He thought that a
committee could in !self .an boar infrke every arrangement
which was neressery ; in fact he hasl.st Bill in his hap(' fully
equal to the purpose, which he bad prepared four years ago,
but he had liven induced to postpone it till this, which
was then considered as the mina proper time, and in
this mistake he was accompanied ,he others, fur they had
treard a series of declarations—('!'!ear, hear, hear!;--
that this would be the most proper tune for the full and free
discossieis of the subject.—(Hear.)—Tire Hutt. Mem:e. r com-
plained of the fallacy of spreading the amount of droits re-
ceived over a space of 60 years, although above eightmillisins
had heels received during -20 years, during which his Majesty
bad enjoyed a revenue of 400,000 t. per minim not voted or
cognisalde by Parliament. He argued that if this could have
'heels knowtrat the cononencementlof the' late King's reign;
when the Civil. List was proposed, it would have been a most
important circumstance in regulating the amount of that Prs-'
vision, and as this was a fluctuating fund, it could not be
known what the revende would he ; and therefore the tuc-a-
sure proposed was proper as'a prelinnuary step before a Par-
liamentary grant shuni,i he made. Adverting to the grants
made out if the droils to offieeri of the N;ivy for mtr:torious

SciViCeS. he asked it there was no suspicion of bestow itism en-
tertained? Lie was sure he spoke the sentiments of a set of as
gallant and accomplished Gentlemen as any iiohe
wurld—
he meant th., officers of the Royal Navy, when he said they
%you'd mutt: rather receive their reintsuerai tin thiough any
other channel. .tie contended that the possession of the
Fund itself as a source of bonnty was dishonourable to the.
Crown,
,arising as it did out of the rights of war, as under-
stood in ages. of military barbarism, hut totally unfit for the
age in which we now live.. Lie el'e.,l cited that in the eyes of
foreign nati..ns our multitude of twit-Ain-se regulations from
tire tithe of Itichard I. and the laws of Oberon,' were so Mixert
tip, the essential with the offensive but unnecessary part.
th,sitt :fey had procured us thy title of tyrants of the seas. He
alluded to the cast i• 1 the British siifferers, who had. their
property solsted by the I.)4isish GOI'4IIIIICIIt after the attaa
on Copenhagen, but had not received any reinunetasion out
of 'tins Fund, though there was a precedent in then' favour,
but they were told try One of the Ministers that it was a bad
precedent, and would never again be followed ; so that this.
grownd of merit forthe.Funtt might safely be struck' off the
claims. He concluded by apologizing to the House for the
length of time he had occupied their attention.
Mr: MARRYAT- rose amid considerable noise and calls for
question. He instanced a considerable sum as having beets
• .
rtceiVed as a Droit of the Crown from some sale of lands in
the West IndieS, and for which•the Crown Was- not accimnt-
able.. These revenues lie thought should be regulatedpre-
iiimS to Settling the r ivit List., No man was more willing
than he was to grant all that could be required to support
the honour and dignity of tht. Crown ; but, sinless these re-
venues were approptiated, he for One must vote for the origi-
nal ;notion.

Mr. C. W. WYNN explained the circumstance of the pen-
sion which had been mentioned', 'ai enjoyed by a nohle relti:
live of his: it was trite that he had such a pension in 1401,
.bat lieshortly afterwards Kane it up. He'opposed late plau.of
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, because it went to
impoqe 3 certain expence on he'Countrs, in the eimipensat ion
whieh'was proposed in hr giren in lieu of it if give ii up by t h 5
t:row n. As the fund, by the plan of the Right Honourable
o'6lllot:wt., would lie ItiOnglit under the cognizance of Par-
lianient,lf a' any time I het e was any consieeraine surplus, it
would undoubtedly be applied fer•pub:ie'purposes, r le tht!re-
toje should oilinse the Learned Gentleman's motion.
Sir 301INNEIVI'ORT supported the Learned Gentleman's
!notion, because he thought it a power liable to ;those. As
to the 4 per cent. ditties, the surpluses might be applied to
keeping up the fortifications of 'the respective islands; Ina,
be,woßld ask, aver been done? As to the Drods, any
'interference with them would certainly be reprobated as—in
dvcdrous and imprkiper. He concluded, lay saying, it gave
in'e greatest surprise to aserve With what coolness
uistcts, wht:u the investigation of the Civil List systeul was

spoken of, always referred the Home to some fattire period,
and invariably 'when that period ai rived, said, I% tnis is nut
ihe time.'.

-Mie MACDONALD hale hoped that a conviction •of the' bad
effects of the system upon- which the Civil List was con-
.
ducted, would have iwduced Ministers for once to depart
from their temporiiing policy, and come forward fairly and
openly in a manner to. meet the wishes of the Country and
consult the dignity of the Crown. When be reflected tit the
pledge given by Mr. •Periceral,' and repeated by Lord
Castlereagh, that on the demise of the Crown a full in.
lestigation should precede the new settlement of this List,
he was little preiiered to seethe !tight Hun. Gentleman at
this head of the Office of Woode 'sod Foists (Mr. Hits-
eissim), and the P.ight "jun. Paymaster of this Forces• (Mr.
Lotig), get up in' then, places and take the old ground. of de-
licacy. towards the. Crown, as :in objection to this reasonable
course .of proceeding. The time specified fur years by
*livers bad :trrived, and it niipraTeft that icy never
had, Snell a, thing as revision in contemplation. They •
were fin pursuing their usual plan of ,h,,einity, disguise,
and,r v
disingeitsne, ;till to cover the Civil List.. But the
House Caine to the discussion with advantage. 'fhey
were acquainted with tleespirit and a dioitioo of his NlAlcst,Y,
sympathizing. with the long protracted sutierioesof his p,•!pie,
and in accordance with host feeling it was their duty to calcu-
late the new art e rizemr nt rot no wider plan than the absolute
necessities of the
Crow's. Other wise they woulti do little ins-
Lice to tilt. sentiments expressed in the Itossi Speech. That,
speech. nein common with Iht H ogee, wits dispoted considir
larouralite light. Ilia what Minister would have bad ho
hardihood to propose an estahlibliment ionic expensive than
t hat of 1816-1 bat which added 256,0001. to the revenue of the
Crown ? Well as this proposal ;eight be received, would it not
have been' far more comostriot with the protvotions of mom-
! toy. and beoeticed to the country, to have said ofienly, ono,
mine all these brunettes of Revenue, - and wherever you can
find ramie for reduction, reduce them But instearl of this,
they. took the settleineot of 1.816, which was Made in the
dart:, and so fa:lamas in its eslimat es, that within one year
the Noble Lord (Citst lereagh) had allowed ghat. it was 113,0001.
wrong- tt should he'rem.,mbered, too, that in persuading the
House to' adi'ipt it, it o as said that its cominuauee at that high
rate was not to he reclitmed on, seeing it was !routed in time
of war, with reference to the price Of commodities, which was
very fluctuating. If to these considerations the Noble Lord
would add what was further teerrable tut the change in. our
Corrency, it would amount to trent' '2O to 25. per cent. more
of fluetnat•ion since that establishment was agreed .to. He.
therefore contended fur a thorough, • sufficient, bled satisfac-
tory inquiry, ate the first priticip!e on which to arrange. a new
Civil List The pi ineipleof the HOUse had for'years been to
cut off cunt ogeocies; why `hen Were they in ibis bight .t
department to abantli.o that rule? He trusted toat what he
had said would not be toisrepresAttect. in attachment to the
Monarch Lc would yield to nn man. He was attached to his
beeense; in his opittioo, a Funned -Monittch ,ind a free
veople, who understand each. whet% (and if they did nut, it
was the fatly of those who acted between them), was the
vernment most calculated to insure social happiness and 'ea-
tional liberty. This form too was most congenial to the
spirit, habits, and character Of the British nation. He de-
sired, therefore, to See the King living in the hearts of his
people. He desired to F,ee the Crown splendid in moderaltosa
but taut ostentatious. There were moments when less splen-
dour added to dignity.
Sir 'll.. WILSON rose to add one circumstance to What . his
Leateitel Friend (Mr. Brougham) had so comprehensively•
staled on the subject ..f the Spanish frigates, the seizure of
which everYollicer, felt-to have been adiegrace to the tenthly.
'When the war broke out atter. the Peace of Amiens, an Order
was joined for capturing all vessels under French colours,
and mertythips Horning from St. Doming:it were taken. As a
reprisal los- this, the French Government treated as prisonKts
all t lie subjects of this ~ultra' who happened:to be travelling
Fiance, and this act was 'held to he consistent with the
IAWS ut otoiotlS. To prevent the recurrence of such mi,tor-
tones, he wood vote for the motion, being ready at the sante
ti;i:c to gave a compensation to the Crown.
TIERNEY said; th,r after the eloquent speech of the-
Right Hon: Gentleman (Mr. Canning), the nature of the_
, question might not be understood by the House. He-took it'
. .
that it was upon the propritity.of an incittiry now. into All
-revenues of the Ctown before- they settled the Civil.
List. NO- Grotleitian, by his vote for the:motion, would lre
committed' farther than that the subject if these Druitt de-
servetLconsiticration ; and all who vilest against it would .be
dscidine that they were Univiirtliy of notice. In his opinion they.
would, not do their duty it they-did not make themselves ac-
. (painted with all the resources of the Crown. Thley were
110 w in possessiiiii; for the first time, of the amount which
had fallen in during the late reign. It had Itert said, in-
deed, ithat this large suns was spread over a lung period, but
his Hon. and Lem ilvd Friend had ShOWD that the most of it
was; Produted in 20 years. As for the last 4, they Were still
in the dark ; and, upon t whole, he ant it tit any ttentleman
to declare if he conke tell how mum) the Crown 'had besides
the 850,0001. a )eai ? With lirespeet to a compriliation, be was
nut prepared to say that any shoot(' lie given. But if it were,
it ciltild be no 'wither' to the people ; at iniest, it would he
but a change, for if 10;0001. was granted on the CoOSoli-
dated Fund, it weuld tie in lied of 10„0001. taken (ruin the
Droits of the Admiralty. All then that was asked, was to
refer these matters to a Committee 1 hatthey might see their
way. He was iexinus foe the splendour of the (I-user', hitt
they must, while coosulting that, do it with reference to the
distresses of the country. anti with a view to conciliate the
people. If the motion, however, was negatived, it would be
a .strorig'ivison with him for refusing the 850,00014—anon
that was asked, he wool(' reply, " Tell me, first, what you
have beside," Fur these reasons, he wouid vote for the mu-
lion, as conenitting hini to nOthiug, but that he was bound
to'ser what the resources of the Crown were.
.The CHANCELLOK of the EXCHEQUER remarked, that

the speeches of the Honourable Gentlemen opposite afforded
aspecimen of what nth Committee would be if they got one.
appointed. Evr'y one of theui bad differed from the other
his specific object, and each had differed hom hiniself.—
(laughter.)—Ministers,.on the contrary+, proposed a plan,
which experience and practice bad proved to he efficient ; a
plan that was well understood, and in serery way far supe-
rior to any of the numerous theories with which the House
had been favoured. They pro Posed a system adequate to
the support of the splendour of the Crown. The sum asked
was short of the amount of the establishment of 1316 by
238,0001, and that establishment itself, in reference to the
estimate of the three preceding years; was less by the suns
of 139,0001.

ThiS was the measure which. Gentlemen op.
posits contested. They wished to go into inquiries which
would occupy months—they who wanted to lass a Civil
List within a fortnight previous to the dissolution of the last'
Parliament.— (Hear !)—The great and populai objection
to retaining these Droits was the possibility of abuse,
in order to enhance them. Never was there a more grannd-
less objection. On the score of humanity, would an imme-
diate declaration of war have heen (in the iostange. stat-
ed) preferable to the milder measure adopted. In 1801, an
embargo was laid On the ships of the Northern Powers, and
whitt ensued—instead of seeking war far the sake of obtain-
ing-the imhunt of these seizures as drafts, War was avoided,
the vessels were restored; and much misery saved. The
happy revolution took Pace in,the politics of Russia, where-
as if war had been declared, iii'stead of laying on the embargo,
it would have been put beyond the power of GoVernment to
produee Otis, inipoitatif resillts. Ile would fort her ask; how.
were t'„te Drafts employed? after remunerating the eolith's
of vessels who were not rewarded for their service, they were
expended on the naval service. He would, befuse the new Inca-
sores were completed, propose a 13ill for the annual return of
the produce of the Colonial revenue; slid an account of its
expeitditurefto he laid. before Parliament —( H ear !)—And ale
fur the revenues from 18,IG, Government had no abjection to
lay a foil statement of theta before the House.
Sir JtAbIPH YORKE said, that unle4 an explanation was
!ZiV,ll of the ebarge on the 45 per cent. list, on account of a
Susie Imo:: and Como Commander, he, as an imkpendent
11,lroih; r, must 'rite fur the origin-al motiOn.
Mr. W. SMITH replied to. some of the arguments of the
Chancellor Of the Exchequer, end contended that the conflict-
ing opinions on his side of the House were exact; v what. were
tmanted .tis elicit a right decision in a Committee. Ile
would vote :or the elution, as he wished botb the income

THEATRICAL REGISTER.
Prrf,rvied Last NIK4g.
THEATRE ROYAL, DEWRY-LANE.—King Lear : King Lear,
Mr. Kean; Edgar, Mr. Rae; Goncril. Mrs. Glover ; Regan,
Mrs. Egerton ; Cord, ha, Mrs. W. West. After which,
Shaltspeare versus Harlequin.
TitE vrtte Row, COVENT-GattnEN.—The Antiquary: Jona-
than Oldbuck, Mr. Liston ; Miss Isabella AVardour, Miss
Stephens. After which (-2rl time), Moutoni.

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THE SUN.

SOLEM QUIS DICERE FALSUM AUDEAT ?

LONDON,
SATURDAY, 01.1 Y 6, 1820.

We received this morning the Paris Papers of
Wednesday last. The Chamber of Peers met on
Tuesday, and appointed a Grand Deputation to
compliment the KING on the next (I,iy, it being
the anniversary of his MAJESTY'S return to Paris
in 1814. The Report was made on the Projets
respecting the Financial Accounts, the opening of
the discussion on which was postponed till Satur-
day.—ltt the Chamber of Deputies, a Grand De•
potation was also appointed. The discussion of
the articles of the Prujet respecting the Customs
was resnmed, end again adjourned til! Thursday.
The Chamber was to meet on Wednesday in
Secret Committee, to hear the developement, by
M. MANUEL, of his proposition for addressing the
King. The following are Extracts :
'‘ PARIS, MAY 3.—Yesterday the King receiv,
ed the Ambassadors and Foreign :Ministers, the
.Aposto;ic Nuticio, &c. The Chevaiier Noguera,
the .s.4nanis!) Charge d'Affaires, was presented to
bis
We (.latir4ra rc Paris) receive from the fron-
tiers of Spain 53tiSfaCIO:y accounts respecting the
110!iliCtil situation of Ccalonta. The patty who

tvibh to excite disorder are every where in a
minolity. The Authorities are very vigilant ;
they are now occupied in organizing a National

Militi9.

The Provieional Junta at Barcelona

has been replaced by the Provincial Junta,
consisting of Deputies from- the thirteen dis.
tricts of the Province, who met on the 7th of
April last. Morales, one of those condemned in

the affair of Lacy, has been for some days at Bar-
celona, where he was received with transports of
joy and acclamation. A brilliant reception also
was preparing for Don Augustin Arguelles, who
was expected there the latter end of April. The
accounts from Aragon and Valencia state, that
every Spanish Province retains the produce of its
taxes in order that the amount may be at the dis-
posal of the Cortes. Letters which have arrived
from other quarters of Spain are not so sat is-
factory.

" Upwards of 450 witnesses have been exa-
mined respecting the atLiir of Lonvel. It is be-
lieved that the I'rocureur-Generdl,l3ellart, has be-

gun to prepare the act of accusation.
" The Procureur du Roi itas seized a new bro-
chure, entitled Defendons nos Droits, consisting of
a pretended conversation between the Minister
tor Foreign Affairs and the new Spanish Envoy,
respecting the situation of the two Countries.
" The King yesterday gave a private audience
to Marshal Sonic, (Duke of Dalmatia.)

" The Commission of the Court of Peers
assembled again yesterday. It appears that
the proceedings approach their termination,
n d that in the course of next week the Peers of
France will he assembled in Chamber of Council,

to pronounce not only on putting Louvel in a state
of accusation but respecting the fate of some
other individuals, who have been arrested for of-
fences connected with the assassination, and are
detained by virtue of mandats. This silting
of the Chamber of Peers will be secret• The
proceedings will not be made public till after the
preparation of the Act of Accusation by the Pro-
cureor•General, its notification, and the assign-
ment of Counsel for the accused.

" M. Lain 4 was yesterday appointed Reporter
of the Committee on the Election Projet.
" The Queen of England is expected at Park ;
an hotel has been taken for her Majesty. it is
understood that the differences between her Ma-

jest), and the King, her Consort, will be the sub-
jec( of a negociation which is to be opened at Ver-
sailles.—(Journal des Detats
• " The Duke de Fernau Nunez is stiff at Paris ;
his Excellency, and the new Charge d'Affaires, the
Chevalier de Noguers, dined on Sunday with the
Duke de Richelieu.

" The Persian Ambassador attended the Cham-
ber of Deputies on Monday ; his Excellency sets
out for Persia either to-day or to-morrow.

FIVE PBR CENTS.

Tuesday

DEFERRED STOCK.

Of the 22(1 March 1320, B9 f. SO c.

" DItESDEN„APRIL 22.—The Emperor of Aus-
tria is expected here in the course of next mondi...

The PROCLAMATION for the CORONATION, we
are assured, will be positively signed this day.
A respectable Morning Paper (The Herald), in
stating the report that such would be the case—
adds, that " the magnificent ceremonies, usual on
these occasions, will in a great measure be dis-
pensed with," but we do not understand that there
is really an intention to lessen that grandeur which
mu►t be highly gratifying to the People at large
on an event so intimately connected with the dig.
nity of the Country and the splendour of the
Throne, and which, indeed, is calculated to give
a spur to industry, and to afford a considerable ad•
vantage to trade.

THE QUEEN.—We see by a new letter from
Pesaro, in the Morning Chronicle of this day, that
her MAJESTY was to leave that place on the 19th
to proceed rapidly to England. The reports of
yesterday stated that she was to arrive by the
end of this week at Calais, " where apartments
were taken for her residence." This word resi-
dence hardly corresponds with the notion of a
rapid journey to England. But it seems that, in
expectation of her coming contrary to the advice
of her friends, they have, nevertheless, prepared to
give eclat to her arrival, for which event about five
hundred ribbons are ready, to be worn as ensigns of
welcome, and diet her carriage is to be drawn by
a large body, engaged for the purpose, several
miles from the place of her landing ! ! !

The Opposition have already taken the field,
and may be said to have opened the campaign la,t
night. A long debate was the result of Mr.
BROUGHAM'S motion respecting the Droits of the
Crown and other Funds, which, as our Readers
will see in our Parliamentary Repot t, the Hon.
Gentleman wanted to take from the disposal of
the Crown, and place in the hands of Parl►ament.
The Gentlewan made a good speech on the acca-

sion, and urgel many specious arguments, but
they were completely overturned by the answer of
Mr. CANNING, which was of course o luminous
union of reasoning, humour, and eloquence.—
Mr. CANNING plainly evinced that no ploots had
been given of the necessity of the measure pro-
posed, observing, that it was sufficient to satisfy
the House and the People if such accounts of the
whole of the receipts and disbursements were

annually laid before Parliament as would man

Indy spew that there had beet) no misapplication
of the I)roits and Funds in question. After a full
and able discussion on both sides, Mr. BROUGHAM,
adverting to what had ben said by the CHAN•
CELLOit of the EXCHEQUER, importing that our
achievement at Copenhagen had produced a happy
change in the Russian Cabinet, seemed to accuse
the latter of having rejoiced in the assassination
of the Emperor PAUL. NVe need not comment on
the extraordinary conduct of that Potentate,
though we regret his melancholy end. The sub-
ject, however, was rather of a delicate nature as
to Mr. BROUGHAM, and we cannot but feel sur-
prised that he touched upon it, as his memorable
Letter, after the death of our late Monarch, re-
presented that event, which filled the Nation with
regret, as a subject of congratulation, because it
occasioned the Dissolution of Parliament ! ! The
Hon. Gentleman endeavoured, by subsequent Let-
ters and Election Speeches, to explain away the
interpretation generally given to the Letter al-
luded to, but, with all his ingenuity, be did not
produce any diminution of the disgust which it
universally excited.

Mr. TIERNEY gave a good reason for not ac-
ceding to Mr. BROUGHAM'S II10(1014 last ❑ight, as
he stated his decided conviction to be, that the
CIVIL LIST should be retrenched from the esti-
mate of 1816, and that the rights of the Crown
should be conceded, without compensation.

The complaint against the tardiness in suits in
Chancery will speedily meet with a very satisfac-
tory answer quoad the Vice•Clianceltor's Court.
It is expected that after Monday next there will
not remain a single cause undetermined in that
Court.

COURT of KING'S BENGT-I.—Mr. HUNT, who
moved on the part of himself and his associates
for a new Trial, finished his address to the Court
this day, when Chief Justice ABBOTT informed
him, that the Judges would take till next Mon-
day to consider their judgment.

COPT OF A LETTER FROM A GENTLEMAN AT PESARO,
DATED THE 17TH OF APRIL.

Her I‘lRjesty, Queen CAROLINg, will leave
this for England on the 19th. Yesterday she took
leave of most of her friends in the neighbourhood
of Pesaro ; she gave them a magnificent dinner;
the guests gave her Majesty unfeigned testimo-
nies of their respectful attachment, and expressed
much regret at her intended departure for Eng-
land. Her Majesty drank " Health and Prospe-
rity to his Majesty GEORGE IV." The toast was
received with enthusiasm by the whole company.
The guests left the Palace at eight o'clock, highly
gratified by the amiabla and condescending man-
ners of her 111ajesty. The health of her Majesty
is as good as her sincerest friends can wish ; she
will thus be enabled to travel rapidly to England."
(Morning Chronicle )

German Papers have been received: Intelli-
gence from Leipsic announces the arrival there of
Prince SCHWARTZENEURG, and his Lady, on the
19th ult. His Highness intends to sojourn in that
city for several months, to avail himself of the ce-
lebrated Physician, Dr. HALMEMAN N. He is re-
presented as much altered in his appearance by
illness. The following article is dated Rome,
April 12 :—" The Consort of the King of ENG•
LAND lett Rome on the 9th inst. with her suite,
in seven carriages, to proceed by way of Pesaro,
Milan, &c. to London, where she expected to ar-
rive on the Ist of May. While she was here, she
did not chew herself out of the house, for when-
ever she drove out in her carriage the blinds were
let down."

The report of yesterday, in some of the Daily
Prints, of her Royal Highness the Duchess of
YORK, having bad a relapse on Wednesday, is to-
tally void of truth. We have much pleasure in
stating, according to advices which have been re-
ceived from (Mends, that her Royal Highness
has not enjoyed so good a state of health, for
some time past, as she does at this period.—
(Morning Chronicle.)
Yesterday the Prince CASTELCICALA had an au-
dience of his MAJESTY, at his Palace in Pall-mall.
. _ _

The Duke of YOUIC Paid his respects to the
KING yesterday.
Thund3y evening Prince LEOPaLD arrived in
town from Claremont.

Yesterday Prince CASTELCICALA and several fo-
reigners of distinction dined with the King.
CHAIILES Foibles, Esq. M.P., we are sorry to
hear, has been confined fur the last ten days, with
severe indisposition.
Moire CONSPIRACTBS.—Privcc information was
yesieiduy received by Mr. Newasztsr, the Chief
Clerk of the Town Hall, Sonth‘vark, of a nilinber
of pikes and bayonets having been manufactured
at a smith's shop, in an obscure lane in the Bo-
rough, fur the horrid Purpose of assassination.—
The information being anonymous, and of conrse
not upon oath, all that could for the present be
-1—

done, tels to Hi point Matslialtnen to Watch the
suspected house, so As to tuccuttio the with or•
falsehood of the 311ALCILICIII.