The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-26 00:00:00

i tI L'--t COMMITTEES

(THIS DAY.)

110Lj.,NP, OF LORDS.

"INIEWCA.F. TLE AND EEIVATICX I;LILILVV.taIt.
The Committee on this scheme assembled this mor..ing in the
Cout t of Chancery, as the Lord Chancellor was not sitting.
Mr. AUSTIN opened the case on behalf of the promoters of the
line. Having given a general description of the line and its advau-
taf;es, with which the public is well acquainted, the Learned
Cumin, proceeded to say that the principal opposition to the
scheme before their Lordships would be from the promoters of the
atmospheric principle, but he would urge that, even if it could be
proved hereafter, when the atmospheric system had been Ml-
ciently tested, that it was preferable to the present system, it
would be very easy to assimilate the line to Mr. Stephen-
son's plan. The principal argument in favour of the
atmospheric principle was its comparative economy in point
of working. It was said it could be worked for one par/
a mile, while the present system cost from tenpence to a shllia‘
per mite. If its superior cheapness should be hereafter proved, t
would be very easy to adopt the principle. He would appeal ti
the opponents whether they would persist in their opposition, as it
would only be wasting the time of the Committee. The Lea
rned
Gentleman concluded his address by stating that he would proceed
to call witnesses to prove the traffic, the nature of the country
through which the line would pass, and the engineering points.

(LEFT SITTING.)

LEEDS AND WEST RIDING 31TNCTION
RAILWAY.

The Select Committee to whom this line has been referrith ed the
-
assembled at the usual hour this morning, and proceeded w
opposition to the scheme.
Mr. Vignolles, one of the engineers of the London and DV'
mingham line, proved that the gradient, curves, and stations were
most objectionable. They might be rendered more favourable
The
without any difficulty, and at a trifling expense'
station at Bradford would stand upon an unnecessary
high elevation, and would, in his opinion, render a junction
with the Leeds and Bradford Valley line, and other lines running
to the north and south of Bradford, almost impossible.
would
On cross-examination he admitted that an improved line
have a good deal of tunnelling and cuttings, and the works, frogsrip-
the nature of the country, must necessarily be of a costly dc
tion. He thought, howtver, the additional expense was Mil
justified, and wou b,! .
Mr. G. Parker Bidder,well laid
theout O
eminent civil engineer, had P
mined the country through which the proposed Wcsi 111,0ing
es
were to run and had been personally over them. Lnei"'--r ws'
1
point where, all the traffic would have to centte and diverge. and °.
course the station and gradients there ought to be made as
Wen'.
able and convenient as possible. The existing traffic between I.ood
moor and Bradford was 285,000 tons per annunh
tons
75,00 n
the traffic from Bradford to Lowmoor was pro-
per annum. The traffic likely to come upon
posed railway was 500,000 tons per annum from 5,,,,„ or.
tHo Bradford, and 117,000 tons from Bradford to if) e- °too
e therefore thought a gradient of 1 in 70 between those
He therefore thought a gradient of lin 70 between flidifl
places ought not to be tolerated. The cost of the West Jowl
would be very much increased by its with then
upon
Leede
high level, and the cost of their junction with the
Bradford line would also be increased by that circumstance.
think
ot
ad these facts into consideration, he did
line never the
the increased cost of an improved eU
West Riding would be mere than 50,000/. The etuh..
at Bradford, he agreed with the former witness, waa
or.'" ?Lon
jection,ble, and he had no doubt, as in the case of one
lowercA, Ifowed
don-bridge stations, it would eventually have to be
Parliament a:lowed it to be made. The gradient on the itni it
e woud be 1 in 132, but on the West Riding Junction
loco.
would bell in 70. He estimated, therefore, that the cost o
fora
motive power for working the expected traffic would het. met
the met
11,0001. to 7,0001. per annum more on the latter than
line. The station at Halifax was very much lower than itu
to be, because the population of that town
high level. The West Riding promoters had edePte And
worst gradients where there was a heavY trafEc:curveg
the easiest where the traffic waslight. They bad adoPt" eon•
too which might easily have been
avoided, and he
m tuality nor
vinced the line could neither be worked with ilnc
economy. ,„, t the
On cross.examination he said he thought only We' the
hods o.
line which ran north of Lowmoor ought to be in ie.
was centered upon
thoe
Leeds and Bradford Valley Compa The remainder °f
line
the
running south of that place he wnasy.
content to surrender t
Leeds and Manchester Company.

(1.-EFT- iITTINS•)

HOUSE OF cOMISION

The Committee met as uGsuna? tUhiPs tiltor.ning at twelve, and
prO.
11- 1)
ceeded with the consideration of the ty 014'
LONDON, CROYDON, CIIELTECAPC
PiNGTON MINS. 1,,,t he WSJ
The first ' witness called was Mr. Cubitt, who stated c---„ailway
thec consulting engineer to the London and Croydon ot
_. by
proJec en the
another The proposed line was originally f
another company. Mr. Brunel was then the engineer 0
3ono,
line, and it wail his intention to work the line
the 011 ,__." „0
spheric traction. The line afterwards fell into „,
of the Croydon Company, who gave him instructions to
ivi;
even
of
down the line. Mr. Sherrard (wko was examined las t
then surveyed the line under his direction. Mr. Sherrard baed:_,l
operi r;
had much experience as an engineer, but was a very
surveyor. - He had given Mr. Sherrard instructions to lay out
line with gradients of 1 in 50, and was willing to take on WO .
.uch B.fse
the responsibility of any consequence of the use of
dients. The original Company bad intended to call the 111,0
1' The London,
Chatham, and Portsmouth Junction f'' Bpd
its ptincipal object being to join London, Chatham, 214.
Portsmouth. If the atmospheric principle were to fail, the W.l".
line could be used as a locomotive line. The expense of the %%IL'
power necessary to surmount gradients of I in 50 would no u*
equal to the expense of reducing the gradient in the beginni", on
Mr. Cubitt was then cross-examined by Mr. MsartgWerna,-,-,a
the pall of the South-Eastern line; and by Mr. WriusTELEY on `,".-,
part of Lady Darnley, a petitioner against the line; and ...1
f the
WALTER RIUOEL cross examined the witness on the part °
Commissioners of Navigation of the River Medway.
(i irt' arrrisa.)

GROUP F.
IMPORTANT DECISION.
BIRMINGHAM AND GLOUCESTER. BP--

WAY (WORCESTER BRANCH). ht
The Committee met this morning at one o'clock, t""h, dit
Honourable F. Shaw in the chair, to consider the case of
Wr,rcester Branch of the Birmingham and Gloucester Rai!lia„loce
Mr. DANIEL stated that this Bill was proposed in cons
the
of a bargain between the Birmingham Company, and he ho F;thle
Committee would decide in favour of the Bill so as t° aas
them to send the Bill to the House of Lords at the same 11
the rival branch granted to the Great Western Companl;_,,,n the
The room was then cleared, and after a short discu P."
public was re.admitted, and
The CHAIRMAN declared that the preamble was not 14°Iced‘b, net
Mr. DANIEL—That refers merely to the Worcester b",niticd•tbi
to the Cheltenham branch. There is another branch en
Cheltenham Extension.
•Ihe CHAIRMAN—What do you propose to do now ? oion St
Mr. DANIEL—To proceed with the Cheltenham
Once.

The CHAIRMAN—Do you object, Mr. Cripps ,
Mr. CRIPPS— Certainly, Sir, do. „. I
to for.-
Mr. DANIEL then proceeded toes tate that this Bill ei.- to fol.-
give the Birmingham and Gloucester Company the powers Ad sn
a curve of about a quarter of a mile in cxtent, in
angle. The Great Western Company had petitioned again't.ad wig!'
order t° t'hefitle
on the ground that it would interfere with their works. : „oil/
land which they had purchased. This he denied, auci IT q
t 08
referred to the plans to prove his case. ...pion „s
Mr. CRIPPS explained that in consequence of all ag'._A- to
Company
eteramohsted complicatedappear... weer:
6 of which he explained, and which
tun
if
rhe Act of Parliament fixed the mode by which an ' die Ore,
G
be brought to Cheltenham, rendering it incumbent un don °4.-
the character)
right of
making
arc
the
,boliunui
Western Company to make a narrow gauge line, in "niuncel. iv.
the broad gauge of the Birmingham and Gloucester Coinitil 011.
give notice that they wanted the construction of such 4
..rariOS Pal'
notice had been given, the land had been purchased, he lifter
take
tially laid down, and therefore it was an injustice tba,t sod t°-
curring all these expenses, another line should step .11 1
away all the traffic from Gloucester.
a. CootrUCI100:10°
Mr. WHATELEY, Q. C
other branc.. i 2,10 Ott
ycotruelffid
cnfottentstteheth E the h
the loop would draw off a'n,
I the opposing Company would themselves undertake it"; Oil'
Cheltenham Extension, he would concede that right, ori 6 elstisne;
even agree to take the Bill himself with a PotP°: :ire! /i'
having
the contingency of the formation of the 1— led
ge
within s
Cix months. s P
Mr. . times declined to adopt this suggestion, uOlO that
was given that they would use the whole of the line'
~ 014;4
Mr. Saunders, Secretary to the Great Western Conligi"Jee no" ;
pr wP
ood hiti
O
that Company was quite ready to make the loop
if
whi
h ch
tweere given them, under the Act of Parliament,
other Company to use the line. /MI
Mr W
. HATELEY— We give you that notice now. .... nose 0
It was then arranged that it should be entered 00 tu` . 000
the notice was given, and that the Great Western Coal°- gill W
d the -
_,
make the line, and lay down narrow-gauge rails; an if not
withdrawn. r arnbiS
report
The CHAIRMAN—Then we shall that the P !
proved. end led
This concluded he busnes bore the Committee,ar opref
0,
Mr. Ceters, ont behalf ofs hisef brethren of the b
w' Oar
hich
their thanks to the Committee for the manner in ,
ceedings had been conducted throughout. r

GROUP K.
latlP f tbls
CAMBRIDGE AND BIM. otero 0
The resumption of evidence on behalf of the Pr°T, e
Bill commenced the business of the Committee this li'subeie';ce
Mr. Radcliffe, a postmaster at Cambridge, and Mr.le Wert'
large farmer at But y, gave confirmatory proof °I. ti
of the line to the districts they represented.
(LEFT SITTING.)

Olg)
LONE ON AND BRGIRGOBUTPO NI j(
W. .434 2) °ill°
EXTENSION. O
The CommitteertneI
r
Lord John P
i'
resumed at the usual hour, 00 t"
in the chair. . ted line,
The case of the petitioners against the Proie-,- into. e I
groundiNi of interference with private property. W3S.g. nen And le,
not
()the:, Sergeant KiNaLsire appeared for M.
Ravilintine fiheli
landowners, and contended that the prsjecte“ 'lt had
inv-tiot
lnaecedssary, and ought, at all events, to be postPoned,' ~. trot?' ;00
same
dme universally aasl a
wouldmaxim
e admitted,ireffect
ytt
ththhaeet 8
awl:
eea rrpeduv
reo rf tTrade,
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( LEFT sirrucp:; it should De P.

GROUP X. A0%11171
LINCOLN
Themr Committee sat today at twelve o'clock. ~ la ceel..A°l
AND CalyznitlDOE it
Joseph Machon, of Pinkston, Derbyshire, dealte hbourbo72
awransintho.etfirst witness called. The coal 'fields in that Ilee:s"cgoinia'
Cmwouitlhd the various qualities of coals ; is of oPini"
s extensive, and equal to supply any demand; 'V' ois IP l'eP'
to the two
anedre and Winderworthmere coll was fully equal
a bned
pDu
tu kn
ne stmh
ee rr ea coal at the
apit's,a--wort-h;
, " e 114%',
has no doubt but if this lin; were made the coals froi:drwrto
mpla,crees would be consumed very extenively. The cost coal
t 5s Per "in ",1 Vfis
distance from Clay's.crriss to Rugby was seventy Mile's 1 hti,,040
that, by the London and Birmingham Railway, was "
miles mak' • , mg in all 152 miles. rt in NW "d
The CM AIR m A x—Th at. has ' with OW 0- II
nothing to do wt
in°:
Lincoln Line. that ,uhaah
mouth was 55..,
.trx ~.