The Sun.
London, England, 1820-10-12 00:00:00

Was Dr. Holland ?—No : he left at Venice.

Was there any other Englishman on that jour-
ney than yourself ?—None.
Now, when you were at the Villa d'Este, have
you not frequently seen her Royal Highness and
Bergami walking together ?—I have.
I mean before yqu went on that voyage ?—On
the long voyage ; yes.
Have you ever seen them in a canoe on the
lake ?—I have seen them in a small boat.
Was there no other person with them ?—The
boat was not large enough to hold another.
When you saw them walking together, were
they arm-in-arm ?—They were arm-in-arm.
Have you seen her Royal Highness walk arm-
in-arm at the Villa d'Este ?—Yes, as I have seen
her walk with other gentlemen.
Now, Sir, you have stated, that, during the
whole course of your journey, you saw nothing
improper, indecent, or degrading in her Royal
Highness's conduct towards Bergami ?—I have.
You have also stated, that you saw Bergami
dine with her Royal Highness whilst a courier;
that she walked arm-in-arm with him ; was alone
in a boat with him. Do you conceive there was
nothing degrading in all that ?—I never saw her
walk arm-in-arm with him before he commenced
regularly dining' with her.
You must conceive, Sir, that is no answer to
my question. Do you conceive there was any
thing degrading on the part of her Royal High-
, ness in all you have stated do not.

Now, you have stated that you have not seen
them walk arm-in-arm until after he commenced
regularly dining with her Royal Highness. 1
ask you if you have not seen them walk arm-in-
arm before you set out on that journey ?—I do
not recollect.

Will you swear they did not ?—I will swear to
the best of my recollection I have not seen them.
You say you do not conceive there was any
thing degrading in what you have stated. Did
you never represent it to her Royal Highness as
degrading to her to permit Bergami to dine with
her ?—I never did.

Did you never desire her Royal Highness not
to, admit Bergami to the table with her ?—Not to
my recollectton.
Not to that effect ?—No.
Then you never entreated her Royal Highness
not to admit Bergami to her table ?—I never did.
Then, as you never did so, you can never have
represented it to any person ?—I think I never
did ; I could not. 4
"I do not ask whether you could or not ; I ask
you whether you did represent to any person that
you entreated her Royal Highness not to admit
Bergami to her table ?—I am confident I did not.
You are positive you never did ?—I am posi-
tive 1 never,did I feel convinced I never did.
You will swear that you never stated that you
entreated her Royal Highness with tears in your
eyes ?—I never did.
I do not ask you whether you ever did or not;
but whether you ever stated it to any person ?
I do not recollect that I ever did; I could not
have done so.
If the fact happened, you could have no doubt ?
I could have no doubt.
Will you now swear that you never said so
with tears in your eyes ?—I swear that I have
not the smallest recollection ; I have not done
the thing.
lam not asking you whether you ever asked
her Royal Highness, but whether you ever stated
that you did ?—I have not the smallest recollec•
tion of the thing.
Will you swear that you have not ?—I w'

swear to the best of my recollection that

have not.

You say you swear to the best of your recol-
lection ; will you swear either one way or the
other ?—I have no‘recollection of having said so
to any person ; but I cannot swear to a thing
which I do not recollect.
You have already sworn that you did not so
entreat her Royal Highness ; can you then re-
fuse to swear that you never said that you did ?
I have no doubt I never said so ; I have no re-
collection of the fact.
Were you not on hoard the Leviathan ?—I was.
Do you know Captain Briggs ?—I do.
Now, Sir, I ask you whether you never stated
that to Captain Briggs ?—Upon my oath I never
recollect stating that circumstance.
Will you swear that you never did, with tears
in your eye 4, and upon your knees, entreat her

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Royal Highnes-s not to admit Bergau°on
table ?—I have not the slightest recollects
having said so to her Royal Highness.
Will you swear that eyou did not?'" \,
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Is it such a circumstance that yoVioul"kt
forkt4ten° had it. le4ken
cumstancothat I iht.ltl hlv? recollected, L
If the fact had been true, would you bad
doubt you should have recollected it; 3°.
had not been true, have you any hesitatl;ll
swear so ?—lt is a long time ago; it is s°
years ago that I cannot recollect.
Have you any doubt upon it ?-I‘lo, I
think I did.
Although you do not think you did, a,"-.
understand you never said so to Captain Po
—I cannot swear the thing ; I have no rec

tion of it..
Do you believe you stated it or not ?--I a°
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believe it. r ti'
Am I to understand that you will sive° t;
you do not believe that you stated so; but
you will not swear positively ?—Yes. an''
How long were you on board the Leviath
Three weeks. - ; ;
Where did you leave Bergami's moths',,,
sister before you went on the long voyar
think at the Villa d'Este.
How was his mother addressed ?—As 1
a
Livia—Nonna. g
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Do you mean to state that she was cal-
ado
dame Livia before the long voyage ?-- Aco
say, as I do not think I spoke to her ; I "
know what she was called. 11
Did you ever hear her Royal Highness ell
Nonna ?—Frequently.
After Mr. Wm. Burrell left, was her, al
Highness in the habit of amusing here
her servants I—Frequently.
Did her Royal Highness join in the garnesi;.3o
Was one of the games called Collin 16`"! ii
—There were several games ; one of the'
called Petit Jeu. ittitf
Were the games played before Mr. '-
left I—l think not. lie
Have you any doubt they were not ?•-- 0
heard he was there ; I have no recollecti°s
Do you know he left at Villa Villani?..
The question refers to Villa d'Este.
mean to state that Mr. William Burrelli°l
those games ?—I do not recollect the fact °
being there. ess`
Had Bergami ever dined with the Princ
fore Mr. Burrell left ?—No.
Was there any other English Gentler°ite,/,
her Royal Highness's suite when her beg
Highness began to dine with Bergan"
yourself ?—No.
Were Bergami, and Louis Bergami
games I—l think they were.
\Vas Faustina, the sister ?—I think net'erf
Did you ever see her Royal Highness per
at the Theatre at Villa d'Este ?—Yes.
Bergh
Did she perform Columbine to Louis
Harlequin ?—I do not know the character' of
were 200 persons present. The whole ,P
Royal Highness's household were on theiot
The piece was composed in her Royal 'lg
household. that
Do you mean to say you do not know
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Royal Highness played Columbine to Lelicoli
gami's Harlequin ?—I do perfectly re
There were three pieces performed.
Did her Royal Highness dance ?—Y e 5•1331
With whom ?—With every one indiscrielvi,
Who played Harlequin ?—Louis 13ergatiP
Now you recollect the Harlequin, do Ye be'
who was the Columbine ?—I cannot saY
her Royal Highness was or was not. 05
Will you swear her Royal Highness
the Columbine I—No, I cannot say ; 311'
not say she was not. R`Do you recollect any part that he'oue
Highness did perform?--I think that
casion she performed the part of an atit°loV
What do you mean by the part of all „Ago'
ton ?—The story was (but it is so long
I hardly recollect it), that of a man wh°..die
to sell an automaton a woman that `,cll)
wound up to anything, in which thf e
was disappointed. It was a story ohP e
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Highness's composing.
And the Princess was the automaton--
she was—in fact she was. 10i;
Was Bergami the person who wantedie -
this automaton ?—No ; I think it w 735
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And who was the purchaser of the anettl.,
That was, I believe, the Professor IVlncof
Did her Royal Highness perform in a 6;01
piece during that evening ?—lt is so long
I hardly remember.
Do you remember any character "wbiil
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gami performed ?—I think he perfor6w
of pedlar.
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Did not her Royal Highness pe ,et
same piece a milkmaid, or some charac'
life ?—I do not believe she did. I d,,,j3te
lect much as to the performances : t"-
200 persons there to see them.
Then you do not recollect her perf°l3-tiot re'
character of a milkmaid ?—No, I do
lect such a fact.
Nor on any other evening ?—I d° fern?
her such a thing having happened at that errw,
Did Bergami perform any part 00e
besides in the dance 1--I do not role ti
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In I.vhat •mont.h did this fete take place ?—it
was before our departure on the long voyage,
.w.ilch was in November. Whether it was a
month or no before, I cannot say.
Was not that fete on the 24th of August, St.
Bartholomew's day ?—I cannot recollect Ivhether
it was on that day or not.
Is there nothing to bring it to your recollection
whether that was on St. Bartholomew's day, the
.4411 of August, or not think it was in Au-
gust we went to Mount St. Gothard. In the
lerY early part of August we had not got pos-
'ession of the Villa d'Este.
Was there no fete there before you had got pos-
te,,
'''on of the Villa d'Este do not recollect
that there was.
Did you accompany her Royal Highness to
"ice ?--Yes.
And Dr. Holland ?---And Dr. Holland.
I)id you remain at Venice while her Royal
ighness was there ?---Yes.
You stated that you accompanied the Princess
long voyage. Before that voyage had
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garni the title of Baron ?—lle had not. Be-
f°re our leaving Sicily he had.
, And the title of Knight of Malta ?—And of
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night of Malta.
d; ~Wheo you went on board the polacca, where
bl3oaerrdgasrnidie.sleep ?—ln a small cabin on the
star
What sized vessel was the polacca ?—About 260
tons, I suppose.
, What width was it at the stern ?—About 18
57") or not so much ; but it might be more—f
XQer measured it. It was an Italian vessel,
ut 260 tons ; but the Italian vessels are not so
broad at the stern as ours.
statestarb d that Beiganii slept in the aftet cabin, on the
oard-side ?--V
11':t the dinin::-room es.
?—lt was.
wi." next hint ?—Saechiiii.
Dwie:o next ?—William Austin.
, next William Austin ?--Camera.
the e. "u remember who slept on the larboard side nearest
WIZ° ?—The two maids.
Who next ?—Myself.
I%'h next ?—Mr. Flynn.
Att.!) tiest ?—Hieronymus.
r you had touched at Tunis, where did Bergami sleep ?
y" '"e dining-room.
ttie,ttated that when you were at Tunis you went to see
whi
e,---1 did.
the e did you sleep that night?—At Sabilla, a palace of
Tati""g Prince's, Seid Mustaplia.
II ea itself is in ruins ?—Yes.
lin„w tar is the palace front Utica ?—Eight or nine miles.
A -W
tar is Ut• • front Tunis ?—Twenty-four miles.
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?et, `r visiting the ruins, did you go to this palace of the
i\i"g Prince ?—We returned to Sabilla to sleep.
te"v, ynn hare stated that on board the polacca there was
A a't on deck have.
t.tehat on her return the Princess slept under that tent ?
Lott have said that the Princess slept tinder a tent ?—I did.
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n it always of the sae size, or was it enlarged after you
iti,l• Jean d'Acre?—l b melieve so.
pas •
ler lOU sure of that ?-1 ; think it always covered the
''sge from the deck below: I have no recollection of any
Wh• way.
artd 41 was the size of the tent ?--It was about 10 feet wide,
ilextended from one side of the ship over the Ita• tcolieser•ay.
altoge
Y.."v wide was the tent ?—Sixteen feet wide
74 said there was a sofa and bedstead in it Ididl.
.at there did the bedstead stand with reference the sofa ?
5,1 hat angles to it.
uw near were they ?—Abont thre or fr feet. I mean
fi'(4,odjining angles of the sofa and bedstead
nffe. "aee stated that an accident happened to the Princess
..I'..;srantani • where did her Royal Highness sleep after
.that ?
Att,,-;she laid on the deck, then in the cabin of William
"n. and their on the bed in my cabin.
tli.,,th'nk..vou said that Bergami banded her Royal Highness
.
he ill.; where did Bergami sleep afterwards ?-1 do not think
duly
harenn'n'traece;llection of
ari seeiog him afterwards ?—No.
You not see him afterwards lying on the deck ?—No, I
recollection of it.
net h'iere did 13ergami sleep on the return front Jaffa ?—I do
tnw where he slept.
"iih"e You never seen hint lying on the bed under the tent,
to ". by day night?-1 ht '-1 have seen hint sitting on the bed
the d. . g •
a) 11)1U.
A eli•ve You seen hint on the bed ?—Either on the bed, or on
41r.
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in tl
.14Y that Bergami first slept in a cabin, and afterwards.
Law Zu
,"Inine-rooni ; where did lie afterwards sleep .—I net never
he afterwards slept ; I cannot say where.
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eek-t"kay, that when you once ascended the ladder to the
Wee opening was not closed ?—More than mice. ,
lf
Asst nftto hour was 1a
it when you ascended ?—About ten, or t -
1)1e" o'clock; •before I went to bed.
deck)-)7"" ',now who slept under the tent when you went on
13.,--Iler li Royal flianess.
uti't d I-
any. otl • sleep under the tent at the time ?--I
ter person
ryas now
Did n dark ?—Yes, it was.
Did )."11 see her Royal Highness under the tent ?—No.
You see Berganti under the tent ?—Na. _
slept Did ,nif not pass through the dining-rows] where Bergami
the outer voyage?—Yes.
‘uer;•ty're any light in the dining-room ?—I don't think
°tuft▪ h •
st l'r
the, e did Dumont and her sister sleep at that time ?-1
'''"n• that 1 bare seen them in bed.
the 4t.." Y",Il 011 your oath, where did Bergami sleep during
rts;til
tent `l4ee from Jafla ?—I have heard that he slept, under the
believe he did.
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witness was answering this question, the AT7
eunidv.`"NEitat, interrupted him, saying that what he heard
nltinl“ retered as evidence.
stt•si. —YUGHiAM corrected the Attorney-General by ob-
lierec:K that the witness was proceeding, to say that he be-
topt,,d!!eigatui slept under the tent. before he was inter-
• Mt.
"Y :a,•‘' C RNEY confirmed this statement of Mr. Brougham,
Whet,' ',zg that the witness was proceeding with the answer
"e Attorney-General interposed.
titan" 4 few obsrreations from Lords Ltveacioor: and Late-
150.‘14, the witness was recalled.
4liciaalt(!svb!lieve that Bergami slept under the tent ?—I have
a
le so.
title Sir, believing that, do you think her Royal High-
tesst.l-,,c(),','duct degrading to tier in her station ?—lt was ne-
lthere ail 46. that somebody should sleep near her Royal Highness
t01"li that occasion. 1 bare heard of others sleeping
I I did
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(4. i:ot ask You what others did. I asked you whether the
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Yee,. o .'etaanti's sleeping under the tent was, or was. not, in
4" tit,t/71::"Tii,. degrading to her Royal Highness's station ?-1
Rartll " n., it was.
s ashln; you whether, on your arrival at Syracuse, St.
• tolootew's day was celebratednot, on board the polacca ?
sunreenlit et the sailors brine. regaled in the tent, and they
4_aild danced, and drank.
Si 0. tlokt on St. Bartholomew's day ?-1 believe it was.
PM ally doubt ?—Ni,, I have not.
youY do s.ty believe ?—Bevause I believe it was so.
tat" saY
the sailors were regaled; do you know who re-
Y whlhem ?—I know they were rejoicing, but do nut know
ont they were r cnted.
Dos, d" not know who it was'; who do you believe ?-1 sup-
-I\. lit Bergaini.
tQutit7dO you believe it was Bergami ?—Because in that
hut th y.tt is the custom to celebrate the days of their names,
w, len' birth days.
treatgd I.hat daywas a
keptMaly. in honour of Bergami ?—Thete
edi of rejoicing, but every body keeps that day in
vc 're the
re any other Saints' days kept on board the po-
sts e's"--,'Not that I remember.
et'bi t
--I ue ship illumiated that night that you were at Syra-
-410 riot recollnect
Pri4 the "ilors not cry out
'4l Pe"a ?"—lt may " Viva it Lavaliere ! Viea la
to,mory. be so, but it is not particularly mark-
arett? "lean to say that you never heard those cries ?—I
14). 41,414S:ries, but those are not particularly marked in
j 3;, pry.
Yoa
ate Bergarai and the Princess that day utt board the

puhicca ?—I must have seen them. We were in quarantine
then, and evert• body Wai on board.
W !ICH they were on deck, were they walking as usual ?—As
_ _ _

In what mAnner do you mean by saying as usual ?—I do not
recollect that day seeing-them walking on deck more titan any
other day?—hut if they wen:, it was as they always did.
Was it, arm in arm ?—lt inight li-tre been anti in arm.
Was that their usual way of walking the deck ?—Her Royal
Hi.,:liness could not walk the deck without the arm of some-
body.
You were in the port of Syracuse, then, were you not ?
We were. . .

Could her ltoyal Highness, then, not walk the deck without
the assistance of another person?-1 did not say that she
was walking- with the assistance of another; she may have
walk.d alone : it was not so remarkable that 1 should wake a
note of it in my mind.

Was it so usual for them to walk arm in arm, that it did not
make any impression on your mind ?
Mr. linountimn objected to this question, as assuming twat
the witness had admitted that the-parties had walked arm iii
arm, whereas the witness liad said no such thing; he had
merely said, they alight hare so walked.—(Ci ies of " Read.")
The Short- hand Writer was directed to read over his notes
of the preceding questions and answers.
Mr. Buotlonam still maintained that the witness had not
admitted the walking, atm in arm which the question assumed.
The ATTORNEY-Ge.NERAL (killed that his question assumed
that the parties had walked arm in arm. He only asked if it
were so usual a thing that it did not make an impression.
Earl GREY thought the question objectionable.
The LORD CIIANCELLk tit said the difficulty would be
obviated by asking the witness, whether it would. have made
au impression, &c.
The A 1-IORNEY-GENERAL conceived that he had a right
in cross examination to ask a leading question.
The 1.0111) CHANCELLOR—You can, strictly speaking;
but it amounts to the same thing to put it the other way.
1 now ask you, whether it was so usual for her Royal
tress and Ihrgami to walk arm in arm, that if it had happened
at Syracuse o t that occasion, it would hare maths ❑o impres-
sion on your mind ?—lt would not.
Outing t his voyage and journey in the East were any addi-
tional Orders conferred on liergann ?—I do not know whether
it can properly be called an Order ; it was talked of many
months before her Royal Ilighness undertook the journey.
She said she would make an Order of her own as a little re-
compense to those who would accompany her as a sort of me-
metal,

My question is, were any Orders conferred on l3ergami ?
If that was an Order. there was.
What ':as it called?—St. Carolina.

Was he one of the Knights of that Order ?—He was.
Was he not Grand Master of the Order believe it was
so stated in the Diploma.
Was any other Order conferred on Bergatui la the course
of that journey ? —Yes ; the Order of St. Sepulchre, this Woly
Sepulchre.
Di, you know whether that Order was purchased for Ber-
gami have nut the slightest idea that it was; I du not
believe it.

Was there any other person on whom this Order was con-
ferred ?—lt was conferred on Schiavini and Wtn. Austin.

Was it a Catholic Older ? believe it was.
‘Vere you present when it was conferred?—Yes.
And her Royal Highness I—Yes.
Where did it take place ?—ln the Temple of Resurrection
at Jerusalem.

In going to Jerusalem by land did you not repose under
tents ?—We did.

You travelled during, the night, and reposed by day ?—Yes.
Do you recollect how many tents there were ?—Six or seven,
1 think.
Who reposed under the tent with yourself ?—Flynn, in
general, the Doctor, and 1 believe Sehiavini.
Did you see her Royal Highness when she alighted from
her ass retire into her tent ?—She threw herself on the sofa
of her tent upon getting down from her ass or mule.
Do you know where Bergami reposed every day ?—I do not.
Don't you believe he reposed in the tent of the Princess ?
I don't know ; I never saw.
I ask if yon don't believe that he reposed there ?
Mr. BROUGHAM observed, that this question of the Attor-
ney-General was irregular ; but so far from objecting to it, he
was sorry he had not asked it himself.
Ho might or might not ; I do not know.
What was your belief?—l date say he did ;I do not know ;
lie may or may not ; I cannot say; I had no journal to put it in.
Did you see him under any other tent ?—I did nut; I re-
tired to my own as soon as I got off my horse.
Where did Schiavini sleep ?—Under the tent with me, but
I will not be positive.
. Where did Hieronymus and Camera sleep?-1 do not know.
In your journey to the East, you were at Ephesus ?—Yes.
You remember the Cafe Turk at Ephesus ?—Yes.
Where did the Princess dine ?—She dined in the Church-
yard, under the porch, on the following day.
Where did you dine ?—With her.
Will you swear that you dined with her on that day ?—I am
convinced I did.
Where did you land on your return from the voyage?—
At Cappo Lanza.
You have said that A the Barona there wai dancing, and
that there were daughters of some persons in the neighbour-
hood, who were they farmers' daughters.
Who were they ?—One was the daughter of the agent at a
place near the Barona.
Were there other daughters ?—Yes; three, four, or 6ve ; I
do not exactly recollect the number.
Were there many persons there of low life ?—I do not know
what their particular situation in life was, there were farmers'
daughters; I have no recollection of persons of lute life.
How often were these dances given at the Barona ?—Four
' or five times.
You knew these farmers' daughters ?—Only from seeing
them there ; that is all the knowledge 1 had of them.
You have said that upon one occasion you were at Char-
nitz ?—Yes, if that is the name of the Barrier Town, on the
way from Carlsruhe.
ATTORNEY-GENERAL—You have said you were at
Charnitz ?
Mr. BROUGHAM.—No; he said if it was the Barrier Town,
lie was there. That is what you are pleased to call a contra-
diction, I suppose.
Mr. iluttmey, the short-hand writer, referred to his notes,
and found that the witness had not said, " that he was at
Charnitz," hut, " that if that is the name of the town be-
tween the Austrian and Bavarian territories. ii was there."
The A rroeracv-ileraettac.—Where you ever at Charnitz ?
—I do not know whether it is the name of the town to which
you allude.
Do you recollect Bergami and Vassali going for passports
from a frontier town ?—Peth'ctly.
There was a great deal of snow on the ground ?—A great
deal.
And you had a great deal of difficulty in going on ?—A
great deal.
Were you not obliged to have a way cut through the .snow ?
—We were.
Were not many persons employed in doing that ?—Yes, 20,
no, or 40 persons ; I do not mean to say in a body, but on dif-
ferent parts of the road.
What time did you set out front that place ?—ln the morn-
ing. I think it was day-light.
What time of the 'year was it ?—The month of March.
Was it not near eight o'clock before you set out ?—I do not
rec Acct the hour, but I think it was day-light.
Broad day-light ?—1 should imagine it was.
Du you recollect that in consequence of soma delay with
respect to passports, your baggage was stopped at a barrier
town 1-4 do.
Was the baggage left at the barrier• or at the inn ?—The
baggage was stopped at the barrier and had to go back to the
inn, which was within a few hundred yards of the harrier.
Were the carriages -unloaded on that night or not ?—I
had nut my baggage, and I do not think they were.
You have spoke of the journey from Milan to Rome, and
from Rome to Senegaglia; bow many carriages had she ?
Three or tour; I do nut recollect positively.
What sort of carriages were they ?—An English landau, an
English landaulet, a little German carriage, belonging to
William, and a Roman calash made at Rome.
Where did you stop at un the first stage from Rome ?—At

Antinlu.
Where did you stop on the following morning, was it at
Rucciera ?—Yes, I believe so, because there are mineral
springs.
Did you stop at a place called Ferno ?—To breakfast.
How long did you stop there ?—About one hour or two.
How far is Ferno from Senegaglia?-one or two posts,
about ten miles.
At. what time did you get to Senegaglia ?—About one or
two o'clock in the day.
Was it not later ?—I do not recollect, it niay.
Wa, it nut five o'clock when you arrived there ?—I cannot
say if it was two or five.
Can you undertake to say it was not five o'clock ?—I eannot.
On the last stage to Senegaglia and Ferno, do you nut re-
collect Sacchi being ill there?—No, I do not.
I.A you not remember Sacchi going to bed id in consequence
of taking something cold, some ice lemonade ?—I have not
the slightest recollection of it.
In what carriage did her Royal Highness travel from Rome
I to Senegaglia ?-111 tha landaulet; her Royal Highness al-

ways travelled hi the landaulet, and I believe it was in that
carriage she travelled.

Who travelled in the carriage with her Royal Highness?
—I
rather think the Countess Oldi and Bt:rgaini.
Who travelled in the carriage with' you front Rome to Se-
negaglia ?—The t Wi'r chambermaids, arm Count Schiavani.
Where Victorine travel ?—I think in her Royal High-
ness's carriage.
yon wean all the way from Rome to Senegaglia ?—Yes.
Why lin you think so ?—B...catise she refused to • come into
our carriaa,, in consequence of its having been upset.
Will you swear that she s' ac not in the carriage with you ?
—I
can only swear from recollection, and frOm that I can swear
I do not remember seeing her in the carriage I travelled in.
What carriage did you travel in ?—ln the English landaulct.
Who travelled in the third carriage ?—Wm. Austin and

11. hat sort of a carriage was it ?—A Small German carriage
belonging to William.

On the journey from Anrana to Rome, did not Louis Rt•r-
gatni travel with her Royal Highness ?—I cannot be certain of
Ibis fact.

Yon saw him, at Ancona ?—Yes, I did.
Did he not go (bite!' with the Princess and her suite to
Rorie ?--I do not recollect. _

You are sure you saw him at Ancona ?—I felt persuaded I
did.

Who travelled in the fourth carriage ?—A Homan Officer
and others.

Who travelled in the fourth carriage from Rome to Sene-
eagha ?—Did nut Camera- and Louis Bergami ?—Positive:y I
do not know. Louis Berganii went once or twice to Milan.
Who went as courier from Borne to Senegaglia ?—I believe
Carlo and Sacchini.

Did you see Carl!) on the road front Rome to Senegaglia, at
any place ?—I do not recoll,ct seeing any one of them.
Do you recollect at Polino having any difficulty about post-
horses, or at the next post?-1 do not recollect.
Did you not take the same post horses on from Polino ?—lt
happened so often that I cannot say.
Do you mean to say, that on the same journey you could
not get horses to go to the next town ?—I do not mean on the
same journey, but on other journeys we frequently could not
get horses.
How close was your carriage to her Royal Highness's in
travelling front Rome to Senegaglia?—Sometimes near and
sometimes at a distance.

Will von say that SAcchi did not ride as courier try the car-
riage of the Princess ?—Not having seen I cannot say.
Do you know Bergarni's wife ?—Ni.
Do you know any others of the family ?—Yes.
What are their names ?—Bet mirth) and another.
Do you know Fauctina?—Yes; she is the sister of Bergami.
When did you know that Countess Oldi was the sister of
Bergami ?—tioon after she came into the Princess's house.
Did you know it at the time she entered the House of her
Bova! Highness?—No; hut soon after.
Did you know Faustina's husband ?—Yes, I have seen him
at the Villa d'Este. _ _

Did Faustina ever dine with her Royal Highness never
saw her.

Do you know Pietro and Carlin°, the nephews of Rergami ?
Yes. - _ _ .

What situation were Pietro and Carlin° in, in her Royal
liiichness's service ?—Pietro was on the long voyage.

_
li'hat situation was he in ?—A servant.
iVhat was Carlino ?—I do not know if I am speaking of the
right person, but I think Carlin() was in the stables.
After the return from the long voyage, was not Bergami's
toot her called Madame Livia—Not more after than before.
Had the mother dined with her Royal Highness before the
long voyage ?-1 do not know.
Did she after ?—Yes.

Did Bernarito dine with her Royal Highness at the Bar°.
na ?—I du not recollect having seen him ;—I do not think he
did.
Did you ever see Bergami's wife, the Baroness, at her Royal
Highness's table ?—I never saw her at all.
Neither at the Villa d'Este, at the Barona, or elsewhere ?
No.

How far is the Barona from Milan ?—Two miles.
Yon have seen Bergatui's mother, brother, and sister at her
Royal Highness's table, and yet you never saw Bergami's
wife at her Royal Highness's table never saw her.
Did she never conic to see her child never saw her.
When you first joined her Royal Highness at Genoa were
you sent for by her Royal Highness?—Yes, from England.
Where do you reside now Burv-street, St. James's.
I have been frequently with her Royal Highness at Branden-
burgh House. I have not been there since Saturday. I have
been hut twice since I came last to England. I saw Schiavini
there. I came to England last Friday week, I think. 1 have
been twice in England. I had been in England five weeks
before I returned to Rouen, where I remained ten days. I
then came over again.
Re-examined by Mr. TYNDALL.
Faustina, I know, was in the house at Genoa, but I did not
mean to say she was in the household. The upper servants
only joined in the amusements at the Villa d'Este. The un-
der ones did not. The plays at the Villa d'Este took place
about four years ago. I have no better recollection of the
plot or incidents of those entertainments than I stated. At
Tunis, a Doctor was taken on board. An alteration then was
made; Bergami's bed was then placed in the dining-room,
within a screen. I don't recollect Bergami going into the
cabin with the Princess after the accident. He could not
have slept in the cabin, for he must have slept on the ground
if he did.
When you said that you believed Bergami slept in the tent,
what was the ground of your belief ?—Because there was a
squall, which obliged her Royal Highness to come down, and
Bergami told r.o that the sea came in, and he therefore must
have been there. . _ .

Do you recollect Bergami's dress at the time ?—No ; I have
no distinct recollection of his dress, but he was dressed at the
time.
Do you believe that Bergami slept every night under the
tent ?
'['he SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to this as a leading
quest ion
Mr. Balm/Guam said the Attorney-General had put a simi-
lar one.—The question was not pressed. -
The crew of the polacca was composed of Neapolitans and
Sicilians. Half the crew were upon deck during the night.
Why did yiiu think it necessary that the Princess should
have somebody to sleep with her under the tent consi-
dered that the Princess sleeping on deck by herself would not
be at all right. 1 had net er seen any of those men before I
sailed, and knew nothing of their characters. Her Royal
Highness has walked with me—with Schavini, as well as with
Bergami. She has walked with other Gentlemen who came
to visit her. I was appointed Knight of the Order of St. Ca..
,roline, of which Bergami was Grand Master. Mr. Flynn an-
other, William Austin, Camera, and, I believe, Dr. Mochetti,
were also appointed Knights of that Order.
Witness, in continuation, stated, that there was an English
sailor on board the polacca, who was as far as Athens, and
then left them ; witness had been ordered to attend the Ad•
miralty, where he was asked when he had seen the sailor,
James Adams, last, and if he knew where he was.
Examined by the Loans.
The Earl of ROSEBERRY.—Witness only once saw her
Royal Highness at breakfast at Genoa. Bergami was
there. He was not sitting, but appeared as though in wait-
ing.—Does not recollect any other person being in the room
at the time.—The tent to which witness had alluded was
a tent within a tent, that is, there was a gallery round the
tent. I have frequently seen servants in that gallery, which
was sufficiently large for the whole crew; but I do not know
whether any person slept in the gallery or not. Persons might
open the tent from the deck on the outside, by drawing the
canvass aside. lam not aware that the tent was fastened on
the inside.

You stated that you once went up the ladder into the tent.
Did you do so inure than once ?—Yes, more than once; when
I went up the ladder and saw the tent was closed, I came
down again immediately.
Witness said, my only knowledge of the Princess being
there, was by seeing that the tent was closed.
Do you know whether any body slept under the tent ex-
cept Bergami and the Princess, during the voyage ?--1 do not
know that Bergami slept there, but I have heard su ; I be-
lieve he did.
Vas it necessary for any body to sleep under the tent with
her Royal Highness ?—lt was necessary some person should
sleep near her.
I ask, whether You believe Bergami slept under the tent,
and whether his sleeping under the tent was not degrading to
her Royal Highness's situation ?—No, I du not think it was.
In the journey from Route to Senegaglia, you have stated
that two couriers attended the Princess, have you any thing
to mark the circumstance on your memory
have not.
Did you know whether either of these couriers rode by the
Princess's carriage. I have no perfect recollection of the cir-
cumstance. I think one of them, Sacchi, rode before the
carriage.
Earl GREY.—When you said you thought it necessary for
some person to sleep with her Royal Highness on deck, did
you apprehend that it was proper ?—Yes, I considered it ne-
cessary.
Under the circumstances in which you believe Bergarui to
have slept under the tent, did it convey to your mind any sus-
picion of an improper connexion between Berg ami and her.
• Royal Highness ?—lt did not.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL—I wish to ask the witness vi here

_ y_7

Lieut. Flynn slept during tile voyage from Jaffa?--He slept
tn his cabin below, and some nights on deck.
I wish to know -whether the witness believes Lieutenant
Flynn hung his- cut upon deck during the whole voyage P—l
ltdiere sr) saw hiS Cut several times. lie slept on the
upper deck; but whether be slept there during the 'Whole
voyatfe I don't know.
Did the witness act as Private Secretary to her Royal High-
ness P—l did.

I wish to ask the witness whether he knows any thing re-
lative to the pnrchase of the Ilatoaa estate and other.pt
perty, assigned to Beigami by her Royal Highness ?
Mr. DENMAN objected to the question. The witness was in
a con6dential situation, and might •know something: which
passed bet ween the buyer and seller injurious to his employer,
and no Court of Justice vrould compel him to disclose it.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL—I do not know where the ob-
jection goes to; but I want to get at the fact, namely, whe-
ther her Royal Highness purchased an estate and gave it CO
Bergami ?
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, the witness might be ask-
ed whether he knew that any person Ourchased an estate for
her Royal Highness. Then be might be asked if the purchase
was made by her consent.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL.—I wish to ask Mr. Hownam
whether he knows the Barona estate to belong to Bergami ?
I hare heard it does.

1)0 you know whether Bergau;i is in possession of the
Villa Barona ?—I do not, at this moment.
I ask whether he ever has been in possession ?—I believe he
was in possession, but I do not know it.
Was it not called the Villa Berganai ?—I think it ryas.
he Marquis of LANSDOWN.-1 wish to know whether
the Countess Oldi slept in a separate tent during the journey
to Jerusalem ?—The Countess had a separate tent during that
journey ; but whether she slept in Zt or with the chambermaids
I do not know.

When you say her Royal Highness and Bergami may have
been walking arm in arm on the deck of the polacca, do you
mean to say the Princess leaned on Ilre arm of Bergami ?
Yes.

During the time she was on board the polacca, did her
Royal Highness ever lean on your arm in the same manner ?
It is very possible; 1 do not recollect the time, but her Royal
Higliness has walked arm in arm with me very often.

The Earl of LAUDERDALE objected to the manner in
which the witness gave his last answer. He first expressed
his general doubt whether the Princess ever walked arm in
arm, and then said she had walked arm in arm with him se-
veral times. he Noble Lord then asked,—During the period
of your residence in Italy, have you ever seen any entertain-
ments in which her Royal Highness or other persons wore
the dress of Harlequin and Columbine, and sustained those
characters in the same manner as its this country ?—All I cart
say is, that I have seen Louis Bergami with Harlequin's dress.
More than once ,—No more than once.

Can you state whether. you have seen the part of Harle-
quin sustained in Italy in the satue manner as in England ?
Nu; 1 do not think 1 ever did.

•
Lord COMBERMERF,.—You have stated that several
other persons besides Bergami might have slept under the
tent on board the polacca; on those occasions, when you be-
lieve Bergami slept under the tent, did any third person, male
or female, sleep under the tent do not know.
Can yon swear you never saw Bergami kiss her Royal.
Highness ?—I do swear I never saw Bergami kiss her Royal
Highness.
The Earl of LIMERICK—I understand the witness to say
it was necessary a person should sleep under the tent with the
Princess ?—Yes.

How was it necessary?—A woman on a ship's deck at sea
is authorized in having some person near her.
Should not that person have been a female from her Royal
Highness's suite; or could not the Princess have been at-
tended as a guard from any of her numerous suite, having
their hammocks slung on the upper deck I—Persons might
have slept in a hammock on deck, but the only persons pro-,
per to do so were myself and Captain Flynn. Count Schia-
vini, unaccustomed to being on board ship, could nut be ex-
pected to sleep there. The English sailwr was not on board
at the time. We might all have slept outside the tent as well
as one. _

NVould it not have equally answered the purpose if a female
had been there ?—I cannot say as to that. _ _

Had there been any order'given to watch over her Royal
Highness ?—No, I don't recollect any.
Was there any suspicion entertained by you of the crew, or
any person on board ?—None.
Then it was nut from apprehension of danger that made you
consider it necessary for a male to sleep near her Royal High-
ness ?—lt was not from any apprehension of danger trom the
crew ; 1 looked at the situation ut her Royal Highness.
What situation ?—Her Royal Highness was nut to be left
sleeping on deck by herself.
Then, if I understand, there is, in your opinion, no impro-
priety in a male person sleeping in the same tent with a fe-
male, the light being out ?—I did not think there was any im-
propriety; from the manner in which the hatches were open
and the doors below, there was no mystery in it whatever.
I beg to ask Mr. Hownam, as a married man, whether he
would. object to Mrs. Hownam sleeping in that way, in a dark
tent, with a male person in it ?—t trust, every man will look
at the conduct pf his wife without making comparisons.
You cannot form any opinion on the question do not
make any comparison.

Mr. BROUGHAM wished to qualify the answer of the wit-
ness. It was not to be supposed, from the answer, that Mr.
Hownam made any comparison between his wife and her
Majesty.

The Earl of LIMERICK assured the House it was not Lis
intention to dray any comparison between the Queen and the
wife of any man, nor did he believe that his question admitted
that construction. The Noble Earl then said, I beg generally
to ask, whether the witness saw any impropriety, situated as
the tent was, in a male and female so sleeping together ?
do not conceive there was any impropriety. I had been in
so many different situations with her Royal Highness iu the
course of her travels, that I did not consider it improper.
Describe one of those situations ?—The Princess was oblig-
ed to shelter under a sorry shed, ender which you would nut
put cows or horses in this conntry. She was at the same time
surrounded by Jews and Turks.
In the early part of your examination you said you did not
know where Bergan►i slept, after that the witness said he be-
lieved Bet gami slept in a tent with her Royal Highness; what
did be mean by not stating t hat belief eat her ?
The question was objected to.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL considered it an important and
proper question. It was an inference to be drawn from the
whole of the evidence. The question was held to refer tcr a
matter of opinion, and the witness did not explain.
Lord LIMERICK.—In the early part of your examination,
you said you had seen the representation of 'eumedies and
farces, and you were asked questions about them. You recol-
lected questions respecting some persons and characters, but,
when asked about the Princess playing, you cannot recollect.
How du you reconcile your recollection of others and not the
Princess of Wales ?—ln my answer I stated all I recollected,
and if I recollectrdany thing more respecting herltoyal High-
ness, I should have had 110 difficulty in- stating it.
I wish only to elicit truth, and I ask the•witness, when he
says he recollects Louis flergami was dressed as Harlequin,
does be nut recollect the dress of the Princess of Wales P
I du not.

Ditil he see Louis Bergami and the Princess daace together
during the evening think Louis Berganii was dressed
as Harlequin, and all danced together. I was dressed as a
Greek.

Do you recollect who played Columbine ?—I do not recol-
lect it ; if the Princess played it I should recollect it.
Does the witness recollect the Princess playing the charac-
ter of an Automaton ?—Yes.
'What did the Automaton di)? Was it quiet, running, or
sitting ?—lt was in a boa standing up.
Do you consider this act stated by you consistent with the
high dignity of the person of whom you are speaking ?—1 did
not think it was derogatory to her Royal Highness's rank,
knowing the pleatne her Royal Highness takes in these entei-
tainments.—lt being four o'clock, the house Adjourned.
[For Part of this Day's Proceedings, see the following Page.]

MAGISTERIAL A I'POINTMEN TS. Mr. RAINS..
FORD, one of the Magistrates of Hatton-garden,
is appointed as the resident Magistrate at Queen-
square Police Office, to succeed the late Mr.
FIELDING. It is said that one of the Magistrates
at Shadwell Office is to succeed Mr. RAINSFORD
at Hatton-garden.
Yesterday a ballot was held at the East India
House for the Election of a Director in the room
of Sir ALEXANDER ALLAN, Bart. deceased. At
six o'olock the glasses were closed and delivered
to the Scrutineers, who reported the election to
have fallen on NEIL BENJAMIN EDMONSTONE, Esq.
NORTH SMIELDS, OCT. 10.."--A bottom of a
ship, about 160 tons, that was found sunk in the
Narrows, has been weighed and laid upon the
point near the Beacon.

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