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MONDAY, Fa% 18.
Counsel wefe beard respelling the Scots
Cadell, Davies, and others, v. Robetison, on the
subject of the Copyright to BtlfllVi
further consideration Of the casts was ;tujourped ,4111
to-moriot,v.
On the motion of the Lolly Ill`,t
.consideration of the claims to the iloopirgh p„or-.
age .wasordered to be resumed in the Committee cf
ktivile.ges..trkmorrow night.
An adjouifitnent during pleasure took place for
'some Cute.

On ihe resuming of the HJuse, 'a Petition from
the Earl Of BERKELEY rebpetling his Peerage, was
presenied b the Earl" cat t.rvaheuoL, 411,1
tew wordB between the N ,1):e and I,i, Grace.
cf NorNl;, she Petition .wis ol!ter,il to bc
reel to the Colurniuce of Privileges to-rnorrow fort-
night. • •
order for the second reading of 'Taunton's
a yore:, was diS'Thargetf, bud, AIL re-
newed fur. Wednesday. .

' STATE OF IRELAND.
. •
The Earl of Moia rose and said, Ile refit it to
be his imperative duly, both to the Howe if:1,11,14 e
Country, to take this earliest dpportwi,i,y ;,1
their LorOships' attention to u circumstance of t
most'atomentous.and important nature,. He alluded
to the 'circular letter lately aidressed by the Govelit-
tiient of Ireland to the diff..rent Nlairistrates th
part ot the tinned licingdotn.. to Con.
fess, that taking all thu.circiiinstanees arid evoii,t,..r.
ations lefe'rting to the particular: topic, at the
tnu-
►ltent, he felt a degree of difficulty with respect to
it, when he coussdered the circuitatices'uf , du:
put ticularO. its yet—int-me, hr .Loald not ;,e,,!si
regarding it as a Most cxtraortliwiry
Every one' who was acquainted tiittt. the recet t
tanusadioni of GOvernme,.t, inn•t be a. 4. t
su,hicit dewtrture of Mr. Pole fur Ireland. The
piectie motives for this movement
,he was unlitie
to -account for, but its being at' a monunt when
the consideration \khalier or not it, was known
to the present Mipistifis that they Mere to rem tin in
otfiCe; was a wittier of . great relativeiroporrance;
The yrince Rt.Actit, howe‘er, had not actually oven
sworn in at thlt they were Conscious t
his Majeiny's 111 tss:ers were nut to be changed, it
would appear • from cirattustances as if his linter!!
Highness was tint apprised at tha adoptioft
ineetinte of so 'great and tuomeronus importanc, ;
Or if they did.not know, 101- theyal:;rcent:a:tirli:
in office, it "Weild, on the other hand, appear that
stehteyonhafiirttlehLaii li-klocuist4ecw6nhdiciuhrit7iey could occupy no
longer ! way, the meahthe w,cs of a mutt
qaestionable nature, and impeiatively called for ex-
planation on the part of nuisters. cl,t this vieiv,
ire ,401.11 d ask, wt.y was ' nut a sitoilar
,step taken
b: fore ? Tocy the pktirer of the Lord Lieu-
tenant of Irelatal tinder the existing law. j'he
• Proceedings, which seemed to creat
1.111 31.1.1 in,
were nut new, they were in.train before, ;inch why
wag the adoption of the measure deharred to the
particular moment I Anot consider.t.
thin was, why were the otlenders against the Stu- '
tutu proclaimed to be Catholics I. Were they tot
aware' that this was including thice fourths of the
inhabitants of Ireland Where wits the policy,
where was the go6d sense, of so chat aoerisng this
supposed offenders ? They. should have bten aware,
that to have, l lin inactive so long, •was but an Wt. .
CultragemeM of-the olifenders and they should tie,,,
be ignorant, that. if the orders were literally ailed
upon, half the populntion of Ireland must be unnit-
ted Such a line, such a principle of policy at tLe
present moment,. and in the awful eitcolistanc,s,
was hazardous beyond all former precedent. They
should recoiled 'shut a powerful, what an ittyete.
rate • enemy, menaced the' country they shoid,l
consider his uncontroulable power, on the. Conti-
nent so great, that he phiced with facility tine- of
his adherents on the !bruits of Sweden, and that
ct e may possibly • have to defend against him, not
only out ow-posts, but even our very citadel. The
Noble Eart then moved, •
" An Adttteis to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent,
prayi.,g th.,t there may be Litt beture the HOuse, it Copy rat a
c.. ircutar I.Ltter, dated Dublin Castle, Feb. tz, thiaufNl,4%)
Mr. ht....rctmy Pole to the ditkrent.Sherilfs and Chid triagis-
tr.m.s in J rri nd "
The oth.stion being put, . •
The Earl of LIVERPOOL expressed his -readiness
to answer the Noble Earl with respea to the t, pt;
to widely hehad called the• attention of the Hotist..
Ili the thst place, he would observe he did tint irel
the least :novel or hesitation with respem to the
difficulty or doubt which the Noble Earl ptoi',s,cd
to feel upon the point, whether Mr. Secretary Pule
ha l gone. to Ireland under the idea that the preseot
Adm int.; iation were to be removed by his !loyal
Highness the Prince Regent,' or whether he hul
been dispatched atter the contrary • decision had
taken. place. The fact was, that Mr. Si..ereiarr
Pole's going to. Ireland had no conflation whatever
with the circumstatice'; and further, he'coeld as ore
the House, that until Thursday night, the letter
alluded to was as unknown to Ministers as to the
'Noble Eart,hituself, and likewise the particular cir-
cumstances that ,gave r.. to the measure. It was,
however, known, that u systematic and deliberate
plan existed (or violating the law; and under thine;
circumstances the Govvrtm.mt. of Ireland had, with-
out delay, udopted- those Measures which it judvil
ter iht necessary to resit such violation of the law ;
and f:0111 the information that was received, flit,
histi•Government had acted upon the bist views of

what were the real interests of the empire, and most
likely to maintain the tranquility of Ireland. He
should, therefore, for the purpose of affording their
Lordibies .further Information upon this interesting
topic, mote to accoinpany the documeet called for
by the Noble. Earl, with another, viz. &copy of
the 'circular triter addressed by the Secretary of the
Catholic Committee, in Dublin, to the different
counties in Ireland.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, after adverting to
the great importance of the subjed, and to the
Noble Secretary's view of the conduct of the Go-
vernment of Ireland, expressed his wish to know,
from the Noble Earl, whether the single document,
which he had given notice of his intention to move;
would of itself go to prove that systematic and deli-
berate lineerien to violate the law, which the Noble
Secretary asserted to exist in Ireland ? He imagined.
that the Noble'Earl must himself teel the propriety
sit laying before Parliament any other information,
or impels, of 'which he may be in ,possessioe, in ar-
tier to satisfy Parliament of the necessity for adopt-
ing such an extraordinary measure. If• the paper
adverted to should not be accompanied by any other
information, he again expressed his wish to know it
they were to understand that the whole proof "rested
upon such document ?
The Earl of LIVERPOOL had no difficulty in state
itig, that Hie paper he had adverted to did not con-
tai the whole of the information possessed by hia
Majesty's Grit,ernment ; but it would be a question
of serious consideration, «hether the production of
Niftier documents 'would at• present be desirable,—
Their Lordships Most be ?ware that a great deal of
the information which Government may posses+
would not be proper for public exposure. There
may be other ways of communicating ieforenation
of, that kind, as through a Secret Committee. It
was sufficient, he thought, at present to state, that
such. faCts had recently come' to the knowledge of
.tbe Irish Gevernotent, as, in its judgment, proved a
SplielOACIC and deliberative intention to violate a
to: fi( important A 6 of Parliament.
The Earl of Deareeet censored the system of
Goverrmicnt adopted by Ministers with respect to
It lane; the state 01)(1.C.IT'CUIDitati.oes at which he
thought were. maitre s for the most serious attention
(lithe Legislattne.. He adverted to the Roy4l Speech
&beet eil ,by. the Lords Comiiiissioners, evWch lie
.4Ardhia;let, try t!), no nie:His sufficiently expl cit wits
lespett to Irelend. With a view of bringing the
present situation of the country, more fully to the
knowledge of the House, he notified his intention
after the Noble Earl's motion should he diSposed of,
to move fir the produttion of
,several documents
lustretite of the ietentte, commerce, and fitianees
of betted.
The. Ea, I of LI emit tax rose, chieflYehe observed,
in eensereleeee ofhis uederstatiding the Noble Earl,
es Ito creed the disc'-aloe, to say, that me of the
obie!.‘rs•til ,the Uttioe was to:free Troln,id from the
,oPp;es•ions of its Parh rent [or iris own n,rt he
in tint Porlianient, and ps the Nohle
E rl I slit t ut thottgie ',roper to state upeni' what
grouoidi or en cuiesteeces he eemed such an ()pi-
niotie but eterely made toe asset tion, he must 61)-
n-1;i lomsell with expressing ,his astonishment at
veifei lie had teard. He could not a.oid, news :ter,
itkaliteg to the recollthion of the Noble E .r 1 that that
Pethament snood 'willfully ;it its post, and by its
spirit, perietet;lnce, and exvitions, :tined that coun-
try from all the herrors of rebellion. It had to
grai isle with a ct sit of anprecedented danger and
dial' tally ; it Ito t to straggle with a traitorous,
ait;e.eilaly, Who nertired the people of the
Country to leek to them tied not to its Parliament ;
anti if the ,lure had not supported a ts) stein
of Vigoroes cnear.ures, a!:d put down those assem-
hlieg., 'they' must have suet ceded' in overpowering
Patliament Its, If*.
lean Hereesen coincided in the feelings express.
el his Noble Friend, regarding the Union with
Ireland. With rest{ &I to what liad'fallen from the
Noble Earl who spoke last,,, if that Noble Earl
would consult those who were concerned in fillet-
ing the Uninn, he would find t hat strong hopes
were held our, that certain oepressive laws would
be-done away, and that a large portion of the peo-
ple, of Itched were induced to acquiesce in the
melsure, under that impression. .With respe& to
the topic mote immediately before the 'Howie, he
had to express his Satisfaction at Hearin; the Noble
Secretary of State 'disclaim all previpus knowledge
of the measure ; he had heard this,wich satisfaction,
but not with surprise, as he could not tam so •bad
an opinion of any set of men, as to think. them
capable of pratlising such an enormous cheat
either upon his R. iyal Highness the Prince Regent,
newt the very eve of his accession to theGoi ere-
'merit; without having communiceted, such a de-
termination to his Royal'. Highness, or upon the
Parliament, in obsereteg a perfect silence relied-
mg such a .state of Ireland, in the speech dehver-
ed by the Lords Comm ,sinner*. He expressed his
wish to know whether. the Noble Earl spoke his
opinion of the uneesure in question as a Member of
paella-nice!, or as expressive of a sanction given by
the King'S Ministers under the Regent; to the con-.
of thi-, opinions 'expressed by the Irish Go-
verinnent
The Earl of LIMERICK spoke,in explatra-
tion,b,in consequence of what tell frerm the Noble
1.13rp1, He did not requiriv to be refet red to any
set!oreMen windevero its to the truth of .his
ineeie bet he could C,Olifidelaly refer to the whole
body of the loyal inhabitants of Ireland.
The Earl ofe Ross said, he could not avoid
troubling their Lordships with a few woids on the
teeeent occasion. He did not pretend to any extra.
ordinary information with respedt to the present
circumataecee of Ireland, but he thought all whO
paid ordinary enettaou .to what was going forward
there, as matter of publicuotoriety, might twin fl
sufficiently correct opinioa upote the whit e% 'The
conduct of the Ciitholics spoke plainest for itself on
this occasion: As long as their Committee emit:rued
Its attention to the, poiie: for waled they were avow-
edly appointed; the Irish Government did not think
it necessary to interefere ; the Ca,tholies were not
prevented from statiog what they supposed to be their
griJvances; but the business for which they were in-
'lnitiated being disposed of, they were not content, but
weir! proceeding to much further and to alarming.
Their Corutuittea originally consisted of

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thirty-eight Members; in addition to tliest.,they deter-
mined that each county in Ireland should send ten
Member& to their body, which wuuld form an ag-
gregate of three hundred and fitty-eight, who Nero
to meet in convention in Dublin. 'What they wete
to dpi he did not know, but he preiwned the lush

information Government head upon the subject.—
After this, he would ask, uhteher the' Irish Go-
vernment could, consistently with its duty, stiffer
such a kind of Parliament to be held in Dublin ?
The proceedings of the Catholic committee were
known to the public, and were as regulorly detailed
in the Dublin pints as those of Pal liament were in
the Imperial Metropolis ! The Noble Earl then
referred to some of their proceedings as published,
with' a view to shew that some of that body enter-
tained a sitnilar
,opinion with shits_ If-T.-that they
were going beyond those limits which were origi-
-nally assigned them ; and 'conclud 'd with express.
ing his opinion, that the Government were fulfill,
ing a salutaiy duty in enforcing the law.
The Earl of BUCKINGIinNISHIIf derec.ited any
premature unfavourable conclusions as to the con-
dua adopted by. the Government of Ireland. Cir-
cumstances might be such as to call tor it ; but that,
considei ition may be a matter of future inquiry.
With respect to what Was thrown out relative to the ►
expected repeal of certain laws, the Act, more than
once adverted so 'this 'evening, was nut one of
them ; it was Merely a declaratory, and Hot an mite-.
ing
The Earl of DONOUGIMORE waeof opinion, that
the present subject may fairly be .consideree in a •
different light from thist in which sotheNehle Lords
seemed to view it. For his part he' thought the
measure, in question, 'es it now stoo.ibyfore the.
House,.should be discussed as an act of power, whiGh
required seine explanation. This was.parliametear
rily speaking. His own private seteitnenewas, that.
it never could be justified. ,Nuble Lords chimed
justice fir the Ministers, on the I resent occasion.
Ile, on the weer side, claimed justice for his Islijes-
ty's Catholic subjects of Ireland. Ile spoke this in-, 1
dependently of any view to ihe consideration of his
havipg been the Peer select, d tr, present the Catiedic
Petition to that. House ; however;he con'S'ilered that
selection as highly bottom-Alt': to him. The subject
was cue which callt'd for the most serious ievtstiga-
:ion, the resell of which he doubted not ei 011 id jus-
tify the opinion he had UStieed ; and it was with
the highest satisfaction he learni.d, trom what trans-
pired that night, tipt the measur'e in (Ithlitioa was
not authorised by his Royal Highness the Prince
Regent. ' '
. Lord REDgiDALE Coll,Corred,hl.,qie sentiments ex- t
pressed by . Noble Eel who, spoke latterly in the
• discussion ; it was the ditty, he thought, of the
Irish G-vernment to have interkired a it had
(lone. Ile was .of opinion that only som,, inch-
vidual Members of the Catholic Committee dis-
appiii,eil of their ulterior piocUL dingii, but that
a %cry great portion of the body of his Majes-
rt
ty's Cateulic subjects. enteateol the semi-
mentS. i

question wait again put , on the Earl of Moira ii
motion, wlech was ordered accordingly. - •
The Earl of Ltvgapoot. then moved, agreeably,
to the intention he hul notitied, for the piodne-
lion of 9 copy of the circular letter addressed by:
I be' Sveretary. of the Catholic Committee in Dublin
to the ditlerent comities in Ireland,' t4cc.; which
was ordered to be laid before the. House.

O the motion of the Earl ot DOttsILEY, a variety
ref noeumentl respecting the IteVenue, Commerce,
National ,Debt, and Moaners of Ireland, were. also
ordered to be laid before the flon4e.