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beet;
ftfleerit it in its present state. By the document placed upon
n of the House a few days ago it was shown that the
ih-07g.ernents for the education of the students were of the
tr°
%wor perfect character, and the accommodation of such a
essee as starctly to accord with the rules of common de-
sets._dlt was evident the institution could not remain as it
*ere Th-se tecond course could nit be entertained, as they
log cotr an obligndationto do so n th
°olde sube bjeto stop the amct to the Roman
te :les or Ireland, aelio-
ftse,° going forward in that country. The only course left
15 taLieas tile third, and th
circumstances of the country, ,as it would only
EN riling out the original intention, when the grant was
eel leacle—sthe principle of endowing and incorporating a
ci'asafta. for the education of the priesthood of the
.Romi Roman peti'll lie Church of Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) Was it.a to-
'hat etth so new, or so extremely alarming in itself,
tea, eY should at this time place the College on a right foot-
KA in' bestow upon it an endowment ? The Right Reverend
Ifishaot! who had first addressed the House last night (the
seer° hoe London) stated that the students of Maynooth
41..ts.aters from a very low class. Of that fact he was not
_lets buts on the contrary, was rather led to believe, from illsestnraet of the minutes of a report furnished by the Corn
bleepers of Inquiry on Education in Ireland, that the school
Nth Inn necessary to an entrance into the College of May.-
40°
_was both important and expensive. It was incumbent
je.,;ol,andidate for admission into that College to have been
Nsji°l`,is'Y and thoroughly versed in Cre=ar s Commentaries,
Vb. , a the Eclogues 'and first six books of the /Eneid of
bitool,
et.ho
Cicero de Oratore, the Greek Grammar, the
Ro°idth of
Luean, and the Cyalopredia of X.eno
er expensive education he should Pho
He
r,„lis not press ativ further the demands of the
te'go itself, but that important part of the Bill introdue-
nbfeh new principle towards the Catholics of Ireland, that
seep„ granted an endowment when endowments had entailed
letiliTiportarit benefits on the Church of England. the system
littlt: for the benefit and advancement 01 religion generally.
PPlied- thia it might be answered that the principle should be
lat, however,
to the tenets of the religion to be endowed—d
netilea,"ever, he could not admit; it was better to try an
kite° "v =better than eradicate all principle. Had they not
'seen tliaio.tr and wealth and recently a much greater step had
vitlealsaeens the sanctioning the endowment by private
mdi-
isle% °' the Church in that country ? That was not new in
Netted to endowments. A Right Rev. Prelate, whom he
‘ti,adse,d'ilnio_t, to see in his place, had stated last night that Ca-
'gat 'iiuta were exceptions to that rule, but he could state
ita° all their colonies it was carried out. On that subject
%11:;',3'neeessary to show that in Mauritius the
.Prote.stant
244• received 1,2001. a year, and the Catholic Church
%H. ;,,in St. Lucia tite English minister received
ssainier ,15 Roman Catholic 4401.—and in a similar
oaten was the same principle to be seen in British
Ittieciai Trinidad, Gibraltar, and their other colonies. The
ilerazlP:awas not new, though in Ireland it might be consi-
iN--- Introduced for' the first time. He felt ready and wil-
i't'sfeC Measures of amelioration carried out in Irelakndthto
ofeatent, and felt convinced they could n9trshfraome
it.e
%lathe Protestant Church in Ireland. ka
14° rather strengthen it. It had not been shown that
1,,
k"Pert, yo, Catholic Church was desirous of taking away the
tleiee; the Established Church, or unwilling to give over
reVisied,,,Power from' that Church to the State. Doctor
flelteee(ta'". O'Connell had been examined before a Com-
}Ze eilt House, and they were both favourable to the in-
tne State ors the Roman Catholic Church, in a
er milt of view. It had been said in opposition to this
ea• doer'4° the part of the Dissenting bodges, that the effect
1.) it tits Was to support each other, and that was alleged
Itee4P), orMent to induce the Roman Catholics of Ireland
tendthe
e, the endowment of their Church, as it
that other to support the Established Church. But, on
he situp 41, nand, it had been said in that House,
that islet; apt hand,
Churches could not long. co-exist. Now,
% si; `"d to agree with the former opinion, and to admit
s fo°,,endowments supported each other. He had a strong
bate 'wed that they do support each other. It was in
.s,, re as
all endowments to take an anti-democratic
hten.-
fraseN „,, endowment of the Roman Catholic Churc
.in
t‘a7thevlo"`tl° have the effect of separating the Roman Catholics
44, her Dissenters, in opposition to the Established
Ras He denied that the disposition of the Roman Catho-
°entre: idyer
14,1 h se to the endowment al* their Church.. On the
el 4 e believed that the well-disposed classes in Ireland
theshown a readiness to accept the patronage, anLdortdo
eTa said r.easonable control of the State.; The Noble
‘lllB 144 len a tone more audible and emphatic than the rest
dat,fands y°4--6' It is a grave question to ask, whence should
lid el? r.the endowment of the Established Church be
t3lli assert, Will not assert—as it has with some show of reasonf
tahl,_(l, that they should be abstracted from the funds o
kit-'letlea-"ed Church. I do not know it of my own
ikattie ft/Wyiolutlt I have it upon authority which has been
r Lordships, that there are 151 parishes in Ire-
I, • ate re, there is not a single Protestant, that the ag-
%Lthet 'epee of these parishes is 58,0001.—( Cheers.).
14,7ishib,.°11!h a state of things is so monstrous,. that it isno
C.% sh 5, 'tithe present state of human education, the minds
it-ggseetiild consider it was time that this monstrous state of
41414talqtnat;1tdhbeingr
Wthainehe,nd to.—(Cheers.) This, I say again,
if it does exist, should no longer be
lsll°lnoie eziat•--(llear, hear ) These, my Lords, are my
Votke,°!", and not the opinion of anybody else,l and have
Oetiresl°4 with the opinions of others. ( Hear, hear.)
atlit'ulet6 °Pinions that have arisen in my own mind from my
for:t_ate"ttly°.f the history of that country, and from viewing
tase, fr 'e,itat a distance. • They are opinions that I have
`441 n*lng convinced that the endowment of the Ro-
thlre , sale n
heap, ,-,hurch would not be followed by results such as
aseOf ti;‘' Predicted, and from the conviction that no settle-
lisita,Ntilasaglievances of Ireland can be called such until it
th. Zeut as will enable the people, not of that count is
country
41( y• view with satisfaction the state of things in
'lsik.ll4.ltase*. tioaars hear.) The Noble Lord then called attention
%i 'n flit 914 law as it affected different. religious persua-
esto,th belles countries on the Continent. The Protestant
the iges',"'etehtUrches were seen to go hand in hand in those
'et, %plate; te.,n Austria the Roman Catholic was the church of
'‘,4thLY• 44,bt there also the
, Protestant faith was in perfect
4tt ;an, as Bavaria, the Catholic, the Presbyterian, and the
lesteelluiliC,J°Yed urivileges all alike, and were on
.terms of per-
"as th ji In 'Prussia there were eight millions of Pro-
tlnisa-4ithe "e Millions of Catholics. The King of Prussia
1," ttyituoetl of the Protestant Church, but he was also the
b'athaileote, not virtual head of the Roman Catholic Church
*(l4 a°l tter/---(Hear hear.) In Hanover the Roman
r 'l°--,Cati„re eligible' to all the public offices, and the
feeiguellt churches were endowed by the State.
Ittaje.:e;.andtheAulholeuronf Europe .they had this spectacle, but
0 'tt ao it not. This was a monstrous state of
bitatioerLasna!lel a,-,°ilier country could they find the same. In the
*fa ; not to be found such another misgoverned
°lent I,4i,,Possii,',l) In taking a review of the state of Ireland
re 4,1\441e-1e not to remember the growth of power of the
fuze• *getli "'IQ People in Ireland. Parliament had at last
hP:°Pert d the had acquired wealth. They
tait,4igit,4-teerfohatelute,leiieitiPitrolve:,l:skoerqtuyatol to their own, and yet they re-
their church—a support that
education to the peoe. was
:hataNaliir); attaeliedlttoenhilsngoewn church as any Protestantt in
h Itsaild because he was sincerely attached to his o.wn
letyt▪
—ilatei—°•leeted to any inquiry into the state of education
isahl ''',,atlteil,°, °lab. Before he sat down he should wish to
OrisLt. rd-"°11 of the House to a statement made by a
L'fitr'red° te Whom he did not then see present, who en-
'lira-at, ors enarge the crimes of the country on the
ill Vet:, ef the priesthood He should read a few extracts
444;`11:4eLlorepti,rnittee of. that House, in the year 1839.
Lare4toreatitteo then proseeded to read from the report of
ae, a, itotia to show that Major Warburton
akst4liu other Witnesses gave evidence, proVing that the
',itt °fp :lie priests in Ireland were most efficient pro-
as4e et-telnd obedience to the law, and that the charges
"ute„i against them were infamous and unfounded.
°rElconcluded by giving his support to the
C
1A NA,
0,141 l
~tith--ir`t.VON said, that if the Government were
;Nestle, , Wri policy y waved give an equal mea-
tp4ttkorthe
!), srelan.d that they gnn their colonies. He
es e especially bound to do so, because Ireland
Lilt! t4h4rei-Cyrnitedi_ately at their mercy, and under their con-
ttls'Y hal was unjust that they should refuse to Ireland
too 11,,,‘ granted to Canaia..—( Cheers.) The Noble
the
14,7:introduced the subject had told them how great
lue Rho B'e in the Roma); Catholic population of Ireland,
thtth,stitiroseeotois:lrgaheistetzablishm tof the College of Maynooth, and
seeofthtaitteeloaotovnitgrou.r was not confined to the
, for if they looked to
rthr„°llondret,he, Bench, or to the other House of Parliament,
refe—ePi.evidence of Ireland's intellectual growth also.
• Peopled. to the growing number and power
thatof wasthe
Nse
;I*4'e 't and and that me asure—a measure
roe, or la, dearest to their hearts—the refusal would
' late 11 raise a storm which would in his.opinion
tas ass, e e.
1114 (Rear 'Y existence of the Protestant Church in t
he
Oy
lt "Ilte,"ear• ) If they could establish that the quhes-
k'tlie"'uth 2,l4„the Catholic and Proteatant Churches— e-
Iletti °thee pall on one side, and truth pure and unsullied
liaill4ll vrasssZt turn the matter as they might, the. practical
.
I. a Mena_ ether they would permit the Catholic priest to
• ph_luea rxte instruction or instruction in a sufficient form.
te?lr`ete, itaftelsed last night that an educated priest was a
letak,a deet " more dangerous man than an uneducated
440_ lisselorine abhorrent to his mind, for it proceeded un a
b° inkePtlon that a Roman Catholic priest was incapa-
M nees of education. But do what they might tney
'`ltier"nain the religious instructors of the Irish
;hailed
!AIN ars hear,) The question was whether they would
14ttehlin ".neiliated or opposed to them—attached or
keglY. eo4,2,esaeg,te'litY.-- Would(
note Her, hear.) The Noble Lord said
towritseed
'A gun, that it would have a beneficial effete
111%4 (11 f all the contrary, was to fly in th.
%Iflift'/ *ere "Perience and human nature itself,
se Prete to believe that, because one man had spurned
A natio l'etl his countrso and for that they were to desig-
k,al4tgebd; asanoleherous, "bc'cause an individual
. ungrate
tiisra was he political question, if it were a` sin to grant
tqt, th was
as coequal sin to bestow a smaller or any- end
bh.tth,..at men `_t,he objection started by a Rev. Prelate last
tsji %t; to be f_7stiu held one religion to be true, mustasssert.
lies:d te °'
es he Wholly dissented from
Val the that • Was thei•e no medium ? For himself, he
saask tenet n Church of Scotland differed more widely
slth th° did "yrs °f the Church of England, than the Church
illt, etytigtrt the Church of England. He did not agree
ust4 tqe aid 'let'. Prelate who addressed the House last
mien; he not believe the Catholic faith to be free from
I'`los •-..(1q8 haclined to improve that which he could
andshet to, 'Tear' hear.) Another point. he wished to
krw1'ai.1°444141441: the .cOnsistent in the policy they
NeJaa.r.'ntlie should pass this measure. They had
IftsTutientilest 4," uatholic priests to their gaols and work-
tri t "'t "ear)— and surely that was more than a re-
-044' apptie Roman Catholic faith. Surely they were
11't
"ieh Chaplains, lor they• could not say to the
IN hat n'e last a et)
e sands of life were wasting away, that he
V.) 'gat ,nre"gious consolation unless he was satisfied to
sqth h Theie wag' hich the State would give him.—(l-tear,
'o4)ot *unldendera Point touched upon last night to
(;°ltaistis 'refer th was the disloyalty of the priests
ri I the N °this he would answer that when the Presby-
th 'its r' °rth wer • '
re, al leash° e excited Into rebellion, the Roman
It 'tee, to et utt rallied round the throne. The
%till', NI to !),„°d ,by the Government when Napoleon
tat. hest ore ,asauatie this county • and when the mutiny
liars ,00k nt_y ,
uts to Mee ace, the priests of that religion used
irat their "ee to ind • the deluded mutineers to
di not allegi `IL°
44 'aft the antra—( Hear, hear.) But it was said
fp oat rsted rase now
°in th. Persons —that the priests were
_re,bealleiortiers
f San is char, —mere political agitators. Ve_h,tcon.
f the b neglect Se could Basily be explained by ths
‘aored.4 which had been manifested, not only
hit.___lik-;,attiolic religion, but to all who professedRoma
to-
tkeert et,arl reeeiafs, hear.) The treatment the
eatteal'lttee'Tnt loyal v?as, in his opinion, calculatect_tottnarn
yep itt 4fifenceT Y into the
om biterest hate. All tha hds
_ to the Ran Catholias of Ireland wa
her ewe "a to turn the feelings and the affections of the
th they,' frcnn this eouritry. Whatever might hare
i° at nOctrines taught at -s.laynooth, it had not been
Pa's' it athe 9' were
h4lll "Oavueple "an immoral nature; and, with
.re-
,iler„ " b ,„,of eland,Ir much as they had been villa-
igoki 'note, difficult pi out a country where the
lUte:be i'kes it,noral, or the marriage vow more sacredly
iklhat:hsititiltitsacti to be wondered at that the Irish people
'aers)ttilietee:tirat thaendw disaffected, when their Loardsbheiepns
mtoiosk.
tprottnudetreeil aaYndinwhvvehieh.t th.esirkenroewednhth
had
a code of
144ePp0?.....1 a former timen, hadwabeen saddled upon that
tviitz every principle of true Christiemity and
RI -policy?—(Hear, hear.) To