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London, England, 1808-03-15 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 14.
The Bishop of Carlisle took the oaths and his seat.
The Royal Marine Mutiny Bill, and the American Commis-
sioners Bill were read a second time, and committed for to-mor-

row.
The Sugar Bounty Bill and Sugar Drawback Bill, were read a
third time and passed.
Mr. WH muroN, and several other Members of the House of
Commons, brought up the Orders in Council Bill.
The Earl of SUFFOLK postponed his motion respecting Mr.
Garlicke's Dispatches till Monday.
Lord HOLLAND moved for several returns respecting the
Recruiting for the Army, and Volunteering from the Militia—
which were ordered.

DANISH PROPERTY.
A long conversation was held between Lords SIDMOUTH
and HARROWBY, on the production of papers relative to the
number and value of Danish ships detained on the departure of
Admiral Gambier from Yarmouth, with the view to their resti-
tution, and to the liberation of the crews. Lord SEUMOUTH
he should make some motions on this subject on Friday next. said
LORD LAKE.
The Bill for granting an Annuity to the Successor of the late
Lord Lake, was read a second time, after some observations from
Lords GROSVENOR and HARROWEY.
Lord HOLLAND gave notice that he shouli postpone his pro-
posed Motion until Wednesday next.
SWEDEN.
Lord MULGRAVE rose to correct a mistake
which had arisen on Friday, in an answer given by
him to a question put by a Noble Earl (Grey) whe-
ther the subsidy due on the former treaties with Swe-
den was included in the present subsidy, or whether
the latter was to be considered as an addition to the
former. He had then, however, stated, that he did
not wish to be considered as giving a positive answer.
The fact was, that the former subsidiary treaties were
at an end, and all sums due upon them paid up. The
subsidy in the present treaty, therefore, formed the
whole sum to be paid to the King of Sweden.
Earl GREY thought it might become a question
in point of fact, whether the last treaty was at an end.
Lord MULGRAVE, in explanation, maintained,
that the treaty was at an end, and that it was so con-
sidered by Sweden.
On the Order of the Day being read for taking in-
to consideration his Majesty's Message,
Lord HAWKESBURY was anxious to avoid
touching on any point which could tend to prevent
unanimity, where, in his opinion, it was so desirable
upon a question fbr granting assistance and support
to a faithful Ally, who adhered to us in spite of all
the difficulties with which be Was surrounded, and
who was now the only independent State remaining
uninfluenced by France:. This subsidy was not given
for the purpose of forming a confederacy, respecting
which there could be any doubt, but to assist our
Ally in defending himself against a powerful confe-
deracy, consisting partly of those Powers who had all
along bccn his enemies, and partly of those Powers'
who had recently been his friends. Neither was there
any thing in the treaty to preclude the King of Swe-
den from making an honourable and secure peace, if
an opportunity occurred of which he could take ad-I
vantage. As had been stated by his Noble Friend,
this subsidy formed the whole of the sum to be paid
to the King of Sweden, and it was to be paid by
monthly sums of 100,0001. He trusted, that under
all the circumstances of this case, and after the splen-
did example sLeven by the King of Swedenof magna-
nimity and fidelity, there would be no objeCtiosi to the
grant of the assistance and support now asked. His
Lordship concluded by moving an address to kis Ma-
jesty, declaring the cheerful concurrence of the House
in the object of the Message.
Lord GRENVILLE said the Noble Lard had ad-
dressed the feelings of their Lordships upon this subject
with respect to the situation of the King of Sweden, and
although it was no light matter at the present moment,
after 15 years of great exertions, to add 1,200,0001.
to the public burthens, yet the ground of this vote was
one so intimately corrected with all those principles
of honour and good faith which ought to regulate the
conduct of the country, that he could not give his ne-
gative to the motion. He was glad to hear from the
Noble Secretary, that no attempt was to be made to
prevent Sweden from making a separate peace, if it
should appear advantageous to do so ; of this he high-
ly approved, but such being the case, he was at a loss
to c laceive why an article was introduced into the
treaty which stipulated that neither Power should
make peace without the consent of the other. Cir-
cumstanced as Sweden was, there could be no recipro-
city in the execution of such an article. Upon the
principle, however, that this country ought to shew
to Europe, that, eves in the midst of difficulties, she
was ready to lend aid and assistance to a faithful ally,
he should not make any opposition to the motion.
The motion was put and carried, and the address
ordered to be presented by the Lords with white staves.
IRELAND.
The Earl of HARDWICKE resumed the subject
\kb he mentioned on Friday, for the purpose of
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tefending his conduct whilst Lord Lieutenant of ;re-
-14, against misrepresentations which had been
ale respecting the dismissal of Mr. Gifford from an
Ace in the Revenue. The Noble Lord entered into
. brief detail of the meetings of the-Catholics in the
year 1805, and the Petition then agreed by them to
presented to Parliament, highly praised the ton-
tct of the Earl of Fingal, and stated that he then
:eived instructions from the Noble Lord opposite,
ten Secretary of State for the Home Department,
discourage, as much as possible, the expression
any Protestant feeling respecting the Catholic Pe-
ion, and to discourage any counter Addresses or
'etitions from Grand Juries, or any other pnblic
podies, it being wished to confine the discussion within
ie walls of the Houses of Parliament. 'These in-
itructions he endeavoured to execute, and several
persons were spoken to upon the subject ; amongst
ethers, Mr. GifEad, who afterwards, in centradiction
this wish, having made the motion iu the Com-
ion Council of Dublin, respecting the Catholics,
which was a matter of notoriety, and being consider-
NI as connected with Government, was dismissed.
1-le thought it right to state that, 'at this dismissal,
some regret was expressed by Ministers. His Lord-
ship read some extracts of letters respecting the facts
which he had stated, and concluded by moving for
the correspondence between the Secretary of State for
he Home Department, and the Lord Lieutenant of
ireland in the year 1805, respecting any instructions
for discouraging any discussions tespecting the Ca-'
tholic r etitio
Wn-
Lord 1-J lOW RY admitted the Noble Earl's
statement to be correct, but observed, that the con-

duct of Mr. Giffard could not dpon that occasion be I
.justified;* yet that allowances might be made far an
Irritation of mind, caused by the loss of several near
relations in the rebellion, and other circumstances,
which induced him and the rest of his Majesty's Minis-
ters to regret his dismissal, and td wish that some com-
pensation might be made for him. That compensation
had now been provided by a new appointment. His
Lordship spoke warmly in praise of the present Lord
Lieutenant (the Duke of Richmond), and declared
his intention of opposing
_the motion.
The Earl of HARDWICKE, in explanation, ob-
served, that he never intended that Mr. Giffard should
be proscribed for ever ; but something that subse-
quently passed rendered it impossible for him to in-
terfere in his favour.
Lord GRENVILLE thought his Noble Friend
could have done no otherwi,x than he did in carrying
into execution the instructions he received from the
Ministers here ; of which instructions he highly ap-
proved, although he could not help remarking the
different cotaduct pursued in this country within the
last twelve months. He thought, however, his Noble
Friend had been hardly treated, in being blamed by
Ministers for executing those instructions which those
Ministers themselves had given.
Lor HOLLAND quoted an expression of Mr.
Fox, approving of the conduct of the Noble Earl,
which he believed to refer to this circumstance.
The Motion was withdrawn.
ORDEn~ IV COUN:IL RILL.
Lord GRENVILLE, on the first reading of this
Bill being proposed, without entering into the merits,
examined at considerable length the objections to it
in point of form. The Order of 1702 was by his
Lord hip's desire read, purporting that no Money
Bill brought up from the House of Commons should
be discussed in that House, containing matter irrele-
vant to its immediate object as a Money Bill. He
then resumed his speech, distinguishing a variety of
respecting in the Bill, reecting the mode of bringing
actions, the imports of East-India goods, and parti-
cularly the preainble and concluding paragraph ; in
all which, he said, the rule laid down in the odes,
was entirely abandoned, and that with the respect
their Lordships would think due to their own orders
and proceedings, it was impossible to admit the read-
ing of this Bill.
Lord HAW KE S BURY said, that the rule in
regard to Money Bills was not so strict as the Noble
Baron seemed to suppose ; but he thought the objec-
tion ought to be gravely considered, and he should
therefore prepcse that the Bill should he printed, and
that the discussion (.11 the matter of privilege should
be debated on Wednesday next.
After some further remarks from Lords Grenville,
Sidmouth. and Derby, the proposition of Lord Hawkes-
bury was agreed to.—Adjourned.