The Sun.
London, England, 1816-03-07 00:00:00

ARMY ESTINIATES.

The 'House then went into a •Committee of
Supply, Mr. OssonN in the Chair,
Mr. LAMBION asked why an I-lon. Gentleman,
who received. a large selary as Chairman of Com-
mittees, was not in the Chair; but had he, place
filled hv, the Hon. iNleiulier for gneenhormlgh.
lie wished to know whether he wes still confined
through in isposition ; if not, he inighttas well
bein.:Northuitiberland, since he tlicl not'artend his
duty in the House.
CTO this no ans.ver was given, but cries, f9r,
?mate time prevailed of Mr. Brogdett Mr:
den .!7 --
Mr. CALCRAin• thought. the establishment pro:-
po3ed was 'more extraxegant than the eiremt
stances of the country reninred, and objectionable,
as increasing the ititteettee of the Crown to an
undue extent. .[The then went.
through the Estimates, diseussing each item, ati‘l
the foilowlog is the elistritet of teductionts which
I.!e 011 e4Cll.] 111, the lioitseliold fropps;
(including Horse mid Foot Gtt,sr(l!,) he proposed
a reduction of about 5600. Melt the The-,
goons, including both the establishment of Great
Britain Ireland, be thought about 6000 wen
might he dispensed with. ThiS va , in the I.liiine
Establishment, a reduction to the extent .of tell
thoiiNand wets. As to the garrisons for Depots,
Arsenals, and Dock-rirds, he thought that this
was a service for which the ,11,wiiirs and Ar-
tillery were quite tolequate. ile conceir,ed,
that three' thousand risen 'was a stitEcietit num-
ber for garrisoning
.Gibraltar. ()11 the whole '
of tlitit branch of the' EstibliShioettt, ,in-.
chiding Malta, Gibraltar, end the. lonian islands,
there might be it reductiOn pf..3ooo.min: In the,
West India Islands there might be,kt retinctiOit of
between .4000 and 4000:oteu. He thotight 2000
then, instead of 3000; sVotild be ettitesufficient,
at the Cape of Good. klopi% At Ceylon, fronlihe
information which he had been ante to
500 men wotild be enough. For the Maitritins,,
1400 would be sufficient, From the whole 90;000.
men, proposed for the home station and the colo-
nies, lie wished 23,000 to he deducted. In talking of
the is rmy in France, he would wish to stile one ques-
tion. flesaw no mention of attyregirnent of (uardi
in the lkt of troops to renitiiii to 04CA10111'y, 417
though there were at present several reginieuts
of that corps stationed there: Lord Castlerelsgb,
Said across the table that those reçilmeti(s oh Gnardit
now itt France were to coMe home.) Hon,
Gentlithan thanked the Noble Lord for the, inlet..
matitist. Looking at the floruePstablishment;he
found 38 General Officers for Englandend 2'2 for
Ireland. Sorely there was no necessity for such a
rember. Tile next branch that .came under cons'.
deration was the Public Departments. Upon t
several Departthents pot together, a considerable
suit might be saved. He liestowed,higb praise on
the institutions' of time Chelsea and Kilmainforn
Hospitals, with a view to situ benefit of the court-
,try, and thereivard of its defenders. At to foreign.
troops, be saw no necessity' for our having nit) tit
theth in our Irov Oiirintrptiace.. The Local Militia

migia .te'vettirely alspenSett with, ttlit the expense
of the Military Colleges moth reduced. He eulo-
giurl 4he Military Asylno4 but thought that it
ought now to be-managed at less .expense.
Mr, :Ross gave credal to the Hon. Gentleman
who spoke las!, fur loving drawn the attention
Of the Committee- to the different Items in the
Estimates. The Right Hon. Gentleman then
etitifest into a detailed ilefenre of the Estimates.
He particularly expatiated on the advantages of
the looian !shunts, especially Corld, as one of the
most valuable poz,se,,,ons of the country in a
commerical pulpit of view, otraccannt of the value
of the trade in that quarter, and the natural fa-
cilities for carrying it on, afforded by the excel+
lent harbours, particitlarlyia the parts of the
islands bordering on the Niorea. . 13e aho spoke
mnelt Hs. to the prodigiott; value of our West
India possosions, and contentlett that ncl retitle.
be made in any part of the- Bellows*
before the [louse, consistently. with safety to our
possession!.

mr,STvART WORTLEY entered first upon._the
eoriVlderlirfon of the sitnotitit of forces required
for the:protection of oiir colonies. He did not
think that any reduction eatrld safely be made in
the force. proposed for Canada
.and Nova bcoria,
rot' Gibraltar, nor tor Ceylon. Brit in the whole
ut the force for the Mediterranean, for the Cape
01 Ciotal Hope, and fitr.the.,oltl.West India Co-
lonies, several thousands. might be spared.' kle
aduritted thatthe notortuttate situation.oi
required the maintenance 'of a large toree ' there,
so that be could not quarric with' the number
of tWetity-tive: thousand, inert allotted in the: listil
mates for that coutitry. Upon the whole, 110
wished it. deduction to be 'made of 'four tflotliatid
inen-froin the Guards, and'looo trout the 'House-
hold troops, and he did not thitilt the ,force of
:20,1100 men for "England, which wotild.then re-
main, were too many. Ile. saw no necessity for
keepicg up the Local Militia,,and considered the
I°o;6°Ot Which appeared It'in:cr that head itt the
Estimates would be completely thrown away. The
Volunteer* arttl Yeomanry Cavalry: he also held
to he unnecessary. 'The. spirit by which
_they
were fortitOrlY sinituated was now gooe by, autl
they now furnished' lint the theatiS of evad-
ing military service. With respect to the Military
College and,:tlilitary,Asylitstt, he had some doubts,
Whether it would out be wise to reduce those esta-
blishments, The Commissariat and Barrack Depart-
ment of Ireland 4 he thought Calchtlated for a larger
army thantvas to 4:14t0 oloit that Lontry, told
fur a state of war rather
;than for a peace ema-
hlishinent. As to .the artily io ere maintained in
France, he thought, it we were to retain a force
there in the.p of .that country, that force tittsht
to be English.' lie Coneludvd, at r.fiouocing it to
tie his-intmalt-tit, before the debate closed, to move
au .Aarantlarent, tne object, ut which would be to
reduce the proposed vote, if the rematks he had
made were not answered to, ltis satisfaction by
Ministers.
tifts.nr,rsorick did not know that the force
proposed lobe kept up was Ittrv,cr than was neces-
sary ; .but le ti
thought the .expece of it was more
than the cottirtryi, rentemherink,..whet was the
;barge fortkut kept up in 1791, could be prepared:
•10 eapeci they would be Callea upon to,-.pay. Ile
lila-tented that. it WAS duittiiile t)' liirg.e tin army
shuidd,oo maintained. in,lreland,' as its was pie
pa,ed to; ircep.op ill that eonntry..., Ha holiest this:
Would net always be alecessaryy and that, possess-,
log the hearts of the people, our Milli On their
atiectiorns', would, be tht- hest security foi• rin7ir
ocojuktee and loyalty. He sinqerely !loped every
possible reduction Would be made by Mink:6-s,
and if they failed to attend tr economy, lie trit4t'al
it would fits isupostd4rpon them by the HOttilei.
POULBItIiN,• VI-0444A . the intreastd
charges on the estimatt for theCololli,*scrvice.
these he proved' to alike from the advant.tges
wlti'Cloyet htl<l gained, while the ekpente thus- cre-
ated mts,iirsittitely mote titan:covered by: the 111. a.
kers which" they opened ,for:.tiur commerce ; by
the employment thpy;tivnislred for ourlifipping ;
and even by the addition,they gave to our reve-
lnue. lie ittio' ifiej)/11.1i0US Cifelifll'ir
which;niatla the torce-prOposed to be kept tip' iti
each or our colonial possessions necessary; and in
at most luminous *patiit"refitteti the urgitultnits
urged-on the: npposite side of the llonse against
the increase of orir nrilitary.powcr, ttfid de riwii=
strated the inlprmqicability of s.,,cuiely holding
dtir'colonbil`thrlitorieSlii 'lleitis aunt. nary,.
attistetl by such additional strctigth.
Lord CArrt,tzaLsGtt,Thihis reply,, declared it
*as from no false pride iitiftWaisters . adhered to
their plan. 'They would :ttie,bitilpy. tmatierpt !the
most, aeonotnicat.plan sugge.ited, had they frit
they`aerttici heir duty, and
wituotit eadimgeriag (itiectiLot the grear6, iia-
pc4rtilln!e to tile, Country.. :; proct titled to .
to fine various' arguments which hod been brought.
forward itt the debate-.,proved. those redactions
could not be wade which snlite lion.-Mtoub9ra
had 6!corninended, and nraititailled that the force
now to be kept for a variety of s, did not
exitmetl.the proportion of that :Which was muluw:
tamed in i : .
Ail 4:r a fctc words frnm roues, w11:0 for-
ed iv6litnidd inive ton Few rnen-in Ireland, and foo
many in -France, 'frank:cm, wit're ordered to with-
diatv.7We ttutlerstan qtl utt, dorittk our absence,
after some Oliservatitnis from'
,Sir Triotaas Ac-
'inni„ta
merit:G*4l reduction of 10,000 men. On thisllie
Hunse .
Aitiltivi the Ata,athuritt 202
, .1••7 Yor ; • • • •
Alitjorpy iii favput:,ol
Th 'Reit/161WD theft agreed io.
without ittlWision,.*-srird thelibuse 'adjottractfai-
' Three tiVincic this Morning.