The Sun.
London, England, 1842-06-08 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDA Y MORNING, jinfE,lB; 1842,-

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per cent. on certain descriptions 67/. 10s. yer cent. on others,
and 501, per cent, upon a third description. That was the ex-
tent of the protection on cotton up to the year 1825. when Ise
(Mr. Huskisson) proposed that, ;nstead of that graduated but
monstrous scale, all foreign manufactured cotton should be ad-
mitted at 10 per cent.
Mr. 1311.00KLEHunsT was very much astonished at the
Noble Lerd opposite ( Lord Sandon) calling him a free-trader.
Ile deprecated the present system adopted with respect to the
tariff, and he hoped the time was not far distant when the
Legislature would return to the sound principles of protection.
• viscount SANDON excused himself for considering
the Hon. Gentleman a free trader. He was glad, however,
that his obsrvations hadcalled forth from the Hon. Gentleman
an avowal before the House of his opinions.
Mr. MANGLES said he did not think it right.that the ex-
ports from India should be subject to a duty of more than five
per cent., while the exports from England were liable to only a
duty of two and a half per cent. The exports from India had
deereased 1,300,000/. between the. years 1814 and 1637, and
appealed to the Government whether it was fair, after destroying
the manufactures of India, by .their competition with them, to
charge a double amount of duty on the few manufactures which
remained. He should therefore propose that the duties should
to made equal.
After a few words from Mr. 0. PALMER which were in-
audible in consequence of loud cries of " Divide,"
Mr. COBDEN said, if they bad an importation it was
chiefly of printed calicos and mousseline-de-laines, the very
artlcles in svh ch his manufacturers were employed. He did
not send any abroad, but his dependence was on the home
market, and h, was notwithstanding an advocate for the im-
portation of Freech goods, duty free_( Hear )—be
were a model or :mind*. '1 hey were not to be put on short
allowance because people abroad did not like the silks of the
lion. Member for Macclesfield. Let the silks be improved,
and they would then be bought.—(Laughter.) But it seemed
the people of Alacelesfiehl Were not agreed themselves, because
they sent two gentlemen of d:fferent opinions to that House.
Mr. GRIMSDITCH said that the people of Macclesfield JJ
were quite agreed as to the injurious effects of free trade,
which would ruin the country if carried into operation to their
full extent. He hoped the Government would not be led
away by such erroneous principles.._( Hear and laughter.)
Sir. PEIIRAND must protest against the Hon. Member
for Belton being considered an authority upon the question of
tree trade, for he had been informed by two Swiss gentlemen,
that when the Hon. Gentleman was in that country, he would'
not reeeive the evidence of those who were opposed to his
principles.—(" Hear, hear, and considerable confusion.) He
must also protest against it being supposed that the Corn-law
League were the represeittitives of the manufacturers of the
country.—("Hear, hear," and increased confusion.)
Dr. BOWIIING rose, with some warmth, to refute the
statement that had been made by the Hon. Member for
Knaresborough. He had asserted that he (Dr. Bewring) had
either siepressed, or refused to reeeive, certain evidence ; he
therefore called upon him to state the authority upon which
he asserted that he had . suppressed what was -true, or intro-
duced what was false.—( Cries of ". Hear," and confusion.)
Mr. FERRANI) would not name his. authority. He had
never stated that the Hon. Member hadsupPressedthe evidence,
and what he stated was; that the Hon. Member had refused
to receive evidence exceptdt coincided with his views.—( Great
confusion. )

opposite, that that was no reason:why they should he dealt with
unfair;y.
Mr. FERRAND rose to explain. The Right Hon. Gen-
; tlernan who had just addressed the House said that he rose as
• a Member of the late GOVernment, who appointed the Hon.
and Learned Member for,Bolton to go abroad to get up evi-
device. He (Mr. Ferrand) asked the House, and he asked
the couetry, whether it was not at that time notorious that the
Hon. and Learned Member for Bolton was a violent advocate
of the principle of free trade? He (Mr. Ferrand) asked the
Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down whether it was
not notorious throughout the country that the Hon. Gentleman
was sent abroad by the Government for the purpose of getting
rid of him ?—( Loud cries of " Order, order, • and confusion.)
It was notorious throughout 'the country that the Government
sent the lion. and Learned Gentleman abroad for the purpose
of getting rid of his advocacy of that principle which he (Mr.
Fero and) had no hesitation in. saying that he supported is a
straightforward and honourable manner.—(Cries of " Divide,"
" Adjourn," " Order.") But had he (Mr. Ferrand) not a
right, to canvass his conduct abroad in the service of the public,
and was he to be told in the House of Commons that he had no
eielit to make a remark upon it; or form an opinion as to the
manner in wh;ch that evidence had been got up ? He
was there to say him elf that he was dissatisfied with
the conduct. of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman abroad.
Be thought in the evidence which he did get he was not anxi-
ous to prepare a fair report on both sides of the question, but that
it was based, as naturally it would be, upon a strict free trade
principle. It was utterly impossible that he should come back
with a satisfactory report to the people of this country.—
( Order, order.) But he (Mr. Ferrand) begged leave to tell the
Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, that he had not
three times repeated his e.ssertion with regard to the Hon. and
Learned Member fur Bolton. fie had repeated what he heard,
that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was most anxious for
evidence in fevour of a free trade principle.—(Cries of Order,
order, and considerable confusion.) This was what he had said.
—(No, no.) One word with regard to what had fallen from
the Noble Lord the Member for Sunderland. The Noble Lord
had made use of the expression that language so grossly im-
proper ought not to be tolerated in that House. If he (Mr.
Ferrand) had used language grossly improper in that House, he
had no doubt whatever that the Speaker would have called him
to order.— ironical cheers.) At any rate he thought the Noble
Lord was the last person to make such a charge.
Mr. BRuniERTON rose to move that the Chairman re-
Iport progress.
On the question being put,
Mr. WALLACE said, in the whole course of his experience,
and he had sat in four Parliaments, he never witnessed such a
scene in the Howe of Commons. He was very much asto-
nished to see that so many Hon. Members of great experience
on the other side of the House could not assist the Noble Lord,
the Member for North Lancashire, in an attempt to put an
end to the scene. He (Mr. Wallace) had never in his life at-
tempted to stop the proceedings of the House. He had always
voted against the adjournment of the House at twelve o'clock,
or any other hour, for he thought no man ought to come there
who was not possessed of firmness of mind, and texture of con-
stitution.—( Laughter.) He held that if a man were not pos-
sessed of these requisites, he was unfit to have a seat in the
House.—( Laughter.) Yes, he said it was effeminate, and he
would look do.vn on it.—( Laughter.) But he would on that
occasion second the proposal of adjournment, but he did so with
great reluctance, and it was on the ground of the absence of the
Right Hon. Baronet, who was the leader of the House, and
the accredited organ of the Crown ; and as he saw no one there
who seemed to have that authority on the Ministerial side of
the House which the Right tr.. Gentleman possessed.—
(Laughter.) There was another matter to which he would
shortly advert, and he begged particularly to address himself to
the Noble Lord. When the Noble Lord introduced the Coer-
cion Bill—
Lord STANLEY—I did.not introduce it.
Mr. WALLACE—No;- the Noble Lord did not introduce
it, but still it ought to be called the Noble Lord's Bill.—( Cries
of " Questior.") He was speaking to the question, for the
question was the adjournment of the House ; and if lass cheer-
ing, and more—(Loud cries of. " Order, order.") Well,
then—( Repeated cries of " Order")—would Hon. Gentlemen
wish him to name the man, and he would do it?__(" Chair,"
"order," and " question.") Well, then, he would name the per-
son ; and he must say, that the foremost in the cheering was
one of the nearest relations of the Right Hon. Baronet, who
was absent._( Cries of " Order.") lie said so again ; he was
not to be bullied by him, or by any one elte.—(Confusion,
and cries of " Chair, chair.")
Lord STANLEY said he was sure that the Hon. Gentle-
man was anxious to maintain order; but he must perceive that
he himself was not setting a very good example, as, by apply-
ing the word " bullying " to any Hon. Member, lie would at
once see that he was exceeding the rules of the House, and
he ( Lord Stanley) would advise him immediately to return to
the subject before the 110114.
Mr. WALLACE said he was obliged to the Noble Lord,
but he was not aware of what had fallen from him, but he
would at once acknowledge that the word " bullying " ex-
ceeded the rules of Parliament. With respect to the proposal
before the House, he thought they should atones accede to it ;
but he was ,going to say, that the Noble Lord bad
• often refused to give the names of parties on public grounds.
Now he (Mr. Wallace) said that when Hon. Gentlemen made
a personal attack, they ought to give the names of the parties.
He should never think of bringing an accusation against any
one without giving an authority. He could not believe that
such a course was manly, and he hoped they would get rid of
the habit of speaking in such a strong manner in the House.
He begged pardon of the House for having spoken in the
strong terms in which he did, but he asked pardon of no indi-
vidual ; it was of the House alone he asked it.—( Laughter. )
Colonel PEEL said the Hon. Gentleman was understood as
retracting the words made use of as far as the House was con-
cerned, but that he would make .no apology to individuals.
Mr. WALLACE—I have retracted the word bullying.
Colonel PEEL—I can only say that there is no gentleman
whose opinion I would less wish to have than the Honourable
Gentleman's.—( Laughter.)

Mr. M riNGLEA then moved that the duty of 5 per cent.
on Indian manufactures•should be reduced to 3} per cent.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, isut no division took
cues,e
iandin
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doeurribrl
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confusion,i admission to the
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ccries
es galleryo f Name,w foundnamteh,
resounding- from the Opposition side.
Mr. FERR AND, with considerable warmth, said he would
not name. He was prepared to stand by. his assertion, and
would not retract a word of what he had stated. He had
brought no charge against the character of the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman.—!(Cries of " Oh, oh.") He had heard
it from the Mayor of a Swedish town, at whore table the Hon.
Member for Bolton had sat, that be was more inclined to take
the evidence of manufacturers in favour of his views than those
opposed to him.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord HOWICK could not help expressing his astonishment
at the statement of the Hon. Member, that he had brought no
charge against the Hon. Member for Bolton. Why the fact
was, that the he had told the House that the Hon. Member,
being in a responsible situation, and charged to collect evidence,
had suppresved deliberately some parts of that evidence.
Mr. FE RRAN D—l did not say so.
Lord HOWICK would hire the Hon. Member the benefit
of the mistake ; but in doing so he would ask what distinction
there was between refusing to receive evidence and suppressing
it ? He would ask the House whether, from what had passed,
the Hon. Member had not made a charge against the Hon.
Member for Bolton of having refused to take evidence ?
Mr. FERR AND—I did not say so.
Lord HOWICK—The House had heard what had passed,
and ho would appeal to the recollection of the House as to

what had taken place in the debate on that night.—(Cheers.)
The Hon. Member, it appeared, thought that in making a
statement of the kind, he was not making a personal charge
' aeainst the Hon. Mo.nber for Bolton. He (Lord Howick) had
a different opinion as to what was the duty of a person sent out
' for the purpose of collecting evidence. The Hon. Member
might think that the conduct which he had imputed to the
Hon. Member for Bolton was perfectly allowable, and conveyed
no personal imputation. If that was the opinion of the Hon.
Member for Knaresborough as to what was allowable to persons
advocating particular opinions there, when that Hon. Member
wished his (Mr. Ferrand's) statement to he taken, he must
furnish most minute particulars, in order to test their accuracy.
—( Loud cheers.) That Honourable Member considered thit
it was no charge against the Honourable Member for Bolton
that he had refused to take evidence against himself. If that
was the Hon. Member's notion of what was the fair way of
taking evidence, when he told the House the result of his in-
quiries they should recollect the principle upon which it was
fair to take evidence.—(Loud cheers.) The Hon. Member
had chosen to allude to him (Lord H.) as one of the Members
who had called upon him to name the authority upon which he
had made such a grave charge against the Hon. Member for
Bolton. lie certainly had called out " Name," and he would wow
say, if the Hon. Member were pleased to make charges of that
kind in that House, it was his duty to give up the name of his
informant.—(Loud cheers.) Hon. Members ought either
to abstain from making charges of this sort, or be
prepared to substantiate their statements.—Jemd cheers. )
No men, when called upon to substantiate a teatement of that
sort, had any right to turn round and say—Will you believe
me ? He was bound to believe that every gentleman stated
that which he believed to be true ; but he would tell the Hun.
Gentleman ( Mr. Ferrand) that he had not that confidence in
his juagment to rely itnplicity upon its accuracy.—(Loud
cheers.) All he desired was, to see justice done to the
lion. Member for Bolton ; and that could not be done unless
the party, on whose authority the statement was made, was
mentioned, and alto the time and place where the circumstances
were alleged to have occurred, so as to give the Honour-
able Member for Bolton' a means of contradicting it.
Vague assertions of that sort ought not to be re-
ceieed, unless means were given to test the accuracy
of the statement. —(Cheers. ) He felt this necessity the more
strongly, because this was not the first time that the Hon.
Member had made vague charges, which he had afterwards
shrunk from substantiating.—(lmmense cheers from the Op-
position, and cries of " Name, name,"
The Hon. Member was perfectly aware of the circumstance to
from Mr. Ferrand. )
on
whichra ble Memberhe
hail
never which he alluded, which had occurred a few evenings since,
whencharges,
the
h eHonourable had tho upguhtt
inu properseh a shape
to make
vague
as to enable the parties to repel them. (Cries of
" Name, name," and " Order, order.") The Hon. Member
might think it very witty to call Name, name ;" but the
complaint was, that the Hon. Member's charge was so vague
and applied to so large a class, that it was impossible to name
the persons to whom they did allude,—(Cries of " Name,"
from Mr. Ferrand.) He named the Hon. Member himself as
the person bringing those vague and unsubstantiated barges,
and he would give the charges brought against the Anti.-Corn-
law League as an instance. Every charge brought forward in
that House .ought to be brought forward in such a manner as
to enable the parties charged to repel it. This practice of
bringing forward vague charges ought not to be encouraged by
the House—(Loud cheers)—and he would never be deterred
by any notice the Hon. Gentleman might think fit to take of
him, of expressing his opinion of iiiie'extreme and gross im-
propriety of Hon. AlembeesThringing forward charges which
could neither be properly substantiated nor repelled.
Lord STANLEY trusted that the House would feel with
him that this discussion was at once profitless and painful.—
(Hear, hear.) It had originated itsan expression casually
dropped by the Hon. Member for Knaresborough. (Cries of
No, no.") The Honourable Member for Knaresborough
had stated that he begged that it might not
be supposed that• the Honourable Gentleman opposite
could be taken as an authority on certain opinions, because he
had heard casually during his travels in Switzerland, that the
Hon. Member for Bolton had listened to evidence on one side
more readily than on the other.—(Oppesitien cries of " Re-
fused to take evidence.") He would admit this, that the
statement of the Hon. Member did convey against the Hon.
Gentleman opposite a charge in his public capacity which the
Hon. Gentleman was certainly called upon to meet.—( Loud
cheers.) But the Honourable Member for Knaresborough
did not bring forward. the charge upon his own knowledge,
he stated that he had heard so in Switzerland ; and the Han.
Member for Bolton, having in his place in Parliament utterly
denied the charge, of course, from that moment, the charge
fell to the grnund.—( Loud cheers.) The Hon. Member for
Knaresborough. however, had not made the charge on his own
authority—be had stated that he heard so and so in Switzer-
land; and if, whenever an Hon. Member made a statement of
that sort, he was to be' immediately takeneip and asked who
told him that, and when did he hear it utrered—(Cries of
" Oh, oh," and laughter, from the Opposition, met by cheers
from the Ministerial benches)—there would be no end to these
scenes of profitless discus•iion, which would lead to a painful
waste of the time of the:: HoUse. The very it the Hon.
Gentleman opposite disclaimed the charge, resting, as it did,
upon anonymous authority, he was entitled to the full
benefit of that denial, and ought to be considered
as cleared by . the House and the country.—(Loud cheerss)
The Hon. Mamber did not vouch for • the statement himself.
The Hon. Gentleman on the other side, in his place In Parlia-
ment, denies it; and he hoped the Committee would permit
the matter to drop, and permit, the consideration of the tariff to
he resumed. Every one was agreed as to the necessity of get?
ting through the tariff as speedily as possible, and yet every
particle in it had led to a long discussion, not of the article of
itself, but on every other question.—( Hear, hear.) Let tl e
consider that there were 750 articles in the tarifa; that they had
still el pages to get through before even. the Bill could be
brought in, and if night after night discussions of this sort were
to be raised, it was impossible to say when they . would get
through one page ; and lie would earnestly request the Come
mittee not to engage any more in these discussiops, which
must be at once so painful and to exasperating to sloe feelings
of all parties.
Mr. F.. T. BARING must say .one word as to the tiniest and
unfair charge which had been made against the Hon, Member
for Bolton. It. would not be consistent with fairnets, if he sat
down without expressing his opinion that the charge, a
, what-
ever might have been the words used, conveyed the idea that the
Hon. Member for Bolton had acted disgracefully, Witkout
dwelling upon the particular words that 4.4 beer;T
tiled by the
lion. Member for Knaretboroaght who had made three speehes
each differing from the athere—(Loud cheers)— yet, taking
any one of them, the charge conveyedwas,that the Hen. Gen-,
tleman, in the confidential performance of a public duty, bed
been guilty of gross misconduct.—( Hear, hear. ) ,New; ryhen
a charge of that nature was made, it %Val h
r 8,-k_t:tilat a disiinci
specification should be giver), in erdaa tO PllalaPe the a'amtised
person to Lift the charge. What he cglifllainCrt of in the Hoe.
Member for Knaresborough wa4, that he had brought forward
a charge against a public servant of misconduct in his official I
capacity, and when asked from whence the charge came, the
Hon. Gentleman said he would not answer the questicpe
If he had made a charge against any person, 144 heel keen
called upon to give they persop an epartetnity. to repay,
he had said jie wmald give thiata tso ql.)(,)rilinitY of moetlau
those charges, what would have been said, net_ male on the
other side, but his own side of the liettee ?—I
( Cheer's'. ) The
common courtesy of the,House when a statement was made,
was that credence would be given to it. The Hon. Gentle-
man opposite had made the, charge three times,( Heir-
hear. ) He. made the charge first rad it • Was. 'denied.'
Again the' charge wed oiadc, and again denied
and a third time he charge was 'made and denied. Ile had
no right tli defend ruv4 ,oervanti;. but when a charge was
th the rfoesibility of meeting it, he considered it was
tinting unfairly, be it 'on "which side it n;tight. Ilse lipeo
tla
thefiNiObre hoed that thesepcuision3 Vi,iteel Ole ttatte ofhe
House, bait' lip t
tA`' siY tilat lieesettie.y sat on this Side of the
041 e, tiappoßed to held opinions contrary to gentlemen

Mr. C. HULLER said he was not at all sorry that the
discussion was of a personal character, as he thought it was
high time that the House ought to know what was to be to-
lPrsted in that Howe. The Noble Lord had kindly endea-
voured to draw the matter to a conclusion in order to restore
the character of the House. What he (Mr. Buller) com-
plained of was the specific character of the charge, and then
the Hon. Member's unwillingness to prose it.
Mr. FERR AND—NO.

Mr. C. BULLER hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not
contradict him until he heard what he had to say. What he
complained of was that on that occasion the Hon. Gentleman
had come forward, not contenting himself with making mere
vague charges, but came forward with specific charges, and
said he would name the individuals, and when called upon to
name them he refused to do so altogether.—( Hear.
Now he said, that if the Hon. Gentleman made charges, he
ought to give the names of the parties. It appeared that the
Hon. Gentleman neverinade charges but what he discredited
himself—(Laughter)—therefore the Hon. Gentlemen on that
(the Opposition) side of the Hearse always considered, that the
more specific he made the charges, the less able was be to sup-
por. t them —( Hear, hear, and. laughter.) He was not im-
pugning the Hon. Gentleman's veracity; he meant him no
offence; he did not intend to do se. He simply imputed to
him a want of caution and care in making assertions,
which left them in a very awkward predicament, and
produced scenes in that, House which ought not to occur.
His Hon. Friend complained of the parties opposite. But
when the cat was away. the mice would play.—( Laughter. )
He must say.that the sports of that night had been rather up-
roarious... 4 Laughter.) They, had been indulged in freely on
the other side the House.. But they had been carried on with
boldness, as though they felt relie,yed from a restraint, and they
therefore indulged in tirade; Igainst the Right Hon. Baronet
—(Loud laughter)—whiarwould shock the Right Hon. Baro-
net to hear.—( Continued laughter.) With regard to the motion
for adjournment, on the ground 'of the absence of the Right
Hon. Baronet, or a motion that the Chairman report progress
and ask leave to sit again, when• the Right Hon. Baronet was
back in his place, they were very reasonable motions.—( Loud
laughter.) But it was rather 'mime). —( Renewed laugher.)
With respect to the subject of Indian muslins he said that those
parts of India which had been 'ruined by our duties had a right
to ask that their raw produce should be admitted into the
market in the same way as our, manufactures were admitted
there.

Mr. HUME thought it would be better to adjourn the debate
on account of the very personal discussion that had taken place,
and which was likely to last that night, and that the admission
of Indian produce into England in the same manner as gnglisb
productions were admitted- into. India, ought to be further con.
sidered.

After a few words from the,CNANCELLOIL of the EXCHE-
QUER and Mr. MANGLER, Orarigers were ordered to withdraw,
but no division took place, and on the gallery being again opened,
we found

Mr. COBDEN speaking. He said that the forms of the
House, as he understood their,- put it in the power uf the
minority to protect themselves and the public against such
interruptions. He hoped what he stated might go forth
to the public, that the country might be made aware
of the system pursued. From his own experience, as a
young Member of that House, he found that, from half-past
four o'clock till half-past five,. Hon. Members were dropping
into the House, when personal questions, relating to personal
matters, might be going. on, and from that time till italf,put
seven there were shouts for divisions, and ioterruptions of any
discussions till eight. Then Han, Members began to disappear
from the House, and they were left with only forty or fifty
Members to discuss the meat important questions till ten or
eleien at which hours -Hon. Members came pouring in, in
their white cravats and white waistcoats, and, anxious to retkkrn
to their concerts and, parties, , and from that time ti 4 a late
interruptions there were the sante shotits and intertiqns gaitig on,
Now, if these interruptions continued, he was deterMitiNit !111
six Members on this side w0i414 act with him, he would itr;il
. himself of all the forms of the Howe. sq as to lunar.: an ad. 1
journment till they were In a position to go int.", a discussion. 1
Capt. VIVIAN thought that the Ho".. Member shoe n'nt I
have alluded to matters so veq,-Dri:Sonal as the cos
wash Of Ho,
Gentlemen.—( Hear, hetti•-, and laughter.) it was not the
kind of discussion that could lead tn any kknblic advantage,
Mr. COBDENsaid the ronarks he had made a
ltl equally to emlnrq ofko,q; sides. the %We who neglecpPlied
their dutles: ted
41-'":
Lord SAXDON said thitt members on the other side of Om
Holm alight Witte Qhstfuot the progress of the tariff. Mr. M. QIBSCIN repelled the charge of the Noble Lord,
and app6aled to the Comwittee to say whetholihegreatest ob-
struction had not arisen on the previ,ens night from the Hon.
and Gallant Member for.- Jki-tiopeol, who had occupied the
House with a long se,";ook (to•Wilkeh the House was very inat-
tentive)t ~,-,4 coAc.tuded . without proposing any motion...-.
(Hear, hear, and laughter) ,.
Lord -sAlsopqlsrgiOn s that •when the. question discussed in.
volfgd the ;'sit Intereits of their,colonies, it was very wrong
iq flip, %tubers to adopt so lighta tone,
•Mr. BARING concurred with the Noble Lord as to the
importance of the question then discussed, and as on a
former occasion thu iiiid 'occupied four or five nights on the
timber dtkVicait 4 theeght it was not too much to devote half a
tligio tote sole qeestion•77( Hear. )
14. billinEN thought after what had passed, the House
was not in a temper to discuss anything i he should, therefore,
press the motion for adjournment,
After a few words frurn Lont t NGESTRIE, who thought
that the Hon, INiember for Stockport had withdrawn his
11301'1.i-4. '.. .
14 i Committee ctividod, when there appeared—
lk
.N• the adjournment...
galnst it
Majority against the adjouranteut.... 156..... l2O
On our return to the galler- we found

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Mr. HUMF moving that the Chairman do leave the Chair.
Lord STANLEY hoped that the Committee would fee
thu 4.cessity of new disposing of the question under dis-
ciAssio4.—( Hear, hear, bear.) He was aware that it was
in the power of the Honourable Member for Montrose
(Mr. Hu-es), and of half a dozen gev,tletr.on who thought
with him, to interrupt too Vs. 1
Y.rAtzi the House and compel
an adjournment, Ai: lion, Gentleman persisted in moving
an adjourcnizM, le, ()Nora Stanley would not waste the time
of the mtVitte by dividing it, but he wished it to go forth to
the Public that it was not to the House of Commons ha to a
very small portion of its Members it was o,winkr, that they
were unable, after so long a discussion, to, nudte so little pro-
gress in the tariff. The the Hoe. Member for
Alontrose was„. that yl c C_L2,-ir.....”n do now leave the chair.
which, ic earrie,A, would put an end to the tariff altogether.
It was, therefore, absolutely necessary that the Hon. Gentle-
man's motion be negatived, whether with or without a divisidn.
If afterwards the Hon. Gentleman persisted in his motion of
adjournment, he (Lord Stanley) would not give the House the
trouble of dividing but he Wished the country to see on what

--
grounds the House was obliged to give over the further pro-
gress of the measure.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN said that the country should know whe-
ther the interruption had not arisen from a most unwarranted
and unfounded attack made by an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fer-
i atoll on an Hon. Member ( Dr. Bowring) who had held a
Government situatiun..—( Cries of " Question," "Chair.")
He had voted in the minority on the last division because he
participated in the opinions of the Hon. Member for Stock-
port ( Air. Cobden).—( Cries of " Question.")
Mr. FOSTER wished to mark his sense of these personal
attacks made by Hon. Gentlemen. It was a practice that
ought to be put an end to. If it continued it could not fail to
bring that House into discredit with the country.
MI.. HUME said he was asked if he would persevere in his
motion. He replied yes. The Noble Lord said that this was
a motion which would put an end to the tariff. It would so,
if it were carried ; but the Noble Lord knew that he (Mr.
HumeNhad no other 'node of putting his motion. It was not
his intention to divide the House on that motion, but he should
take the sense of the House on the qnestion of reporting pro-
grew. He (Mr. Hume) was desirous of seeing the measure
progress. ( Cries of " Oh, oh," and ironical eri, sof " Hear.")
No person had been more attentive to the tariff than he had
been. Each night that it was discussed he was uct a moment
absent from the House. But if the Noble Lord and his col-
leagues countenanced such proceedings as had just occurred on
the other side of the House, it was to them that any delay of
the measure was to be attributed. The whole was owing to
what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Knaresborough,
and if there was any fault at all, he thought it was owing to
the Chairman, who ought to have stopped so personal au
affair.—(Order, order.) The whole of that side of the House
countenanced the proceedings of the Hon. Member—( Hear.
hear)—and no Member of the Government rose to interfere,
who ought, as managers of the House, to keep their supporters
in oiler.—(Oh, oh. )
Lord STANLEY did not think any person would be justi-
fied in interfering as long as any Hon. Member did not violate
the rules of the House, and did not think the Hon. Member
was unparliamentary. And if the Hon. Member for Montrose
thought so, it was his duty to call the Hon. Member to order.—
(Loud cheers.) But neither he, nor any Member of the Go-
vernment was responsible for the expressions of any Hon.
Member. But when the Hon. Member for Bolton denied the I
charge, he (Lord Stanley) gave hint full credit for it. And he
endeavoured to recal the House to the business before them.

in the least disposed to forward the views of the elaiesen
in the representation of their grievances to head-qearters.
The only answer received to inquiries upon the stab-
jeet was, that. M. Barrajo had received uo instructions
to arrange pr'recipal or interest on these bowie, but
hie was wiihng,should the holders think fit, to emerge their in-
terest in the late capitalization scheme, and give them a per-
tion of the New Three, per Cent. stock in lieu thereof.
Merited strictures were passed upon Senor Surra y Roll, 31.
3lendizabal, and other representatives of the Finance Cabinet
of Stain, for the lukewarmness they have evinced in the reduee
tion of the foreign debt, and particularly in this instance ; and
it was pointedly remarked, that the excessive trickery ac-
companying the late operation of that Government in our
market had, like in other eases, brought upon it additional
discredit and want of confidence. To address to the Regent
individually, a memorial requesting consideration of the rights
of the bondholdeis was now deemed the next step to be
adopted, as by this means, it would he seen whether
the unconcern with which a part of the public debt
of Spain for the last six years had been treated was merely the
" buffoonery" of its financial agents, or the " intentional
swindle of a constitutional Government." The Members of
the Oppositi.in in the Cortes were in possession of the whale
facts of the career of these conversions, and the manner in
which they had been conducted in London, and there was
hardly a doubt, according to Mr. Tasker's opinion, that Senor
Sierra y Rull's expulsion from office was the result of some such
' development. The aid of the agent in London (Sir I. 1..
Goldsmid), who had given by the attachment of his name to
the Treasury bonds a certain stamp of authenticity to them.
appears to be much desired by the holders, who were, as might be
expected, greatly surprised to hear Captain Britton, one of the
Committee, state, that although he had sent Sir Isaac
letter, requesting his attendance and support at the meet.
'g, no answer hod been received. Sir Isaac had once
or twice stated that he had interfered in the cause of the bond.
holders, who, like himself, were great sufferers in the transfix...•
tion, yet still it would be much more gratifying to the holders
to hear him state in public what he really had done towards
advancing their interests. It was observed that at any other
meeting where Sir Isaac was interested, whether railway-,
mining, or other undertaking, he was always is attendance, and
ready- to enter into the whole affair ; but here, where his credit
to a certain extent was at stake, as the representative of a Ge.
vernment which had failed to perform " its most sacred pro.
miser," he neglected to be present. The leading topics of this
decision were finally condensed into a series of resolutions,
which were, with the meinerial addressed to Espartero, itnani-
mosisly adopted and placed on the minntse books of the corn-
eniteer. as the proceedings of the day.
Bonds are quoted to-day 214 for the tire
per Cent. Active Bonds, with the coupons for May, 1537, end
`2si-,- for the Three per Cent. Stock created from four of these
coupons. It is questionable as to what cause this deeliue is to
be attributed, it having been ammunced in the most solemn
form adopted of late, and being the last. fashion, the most kind-
ing. that the cash for the next dividend promised on the asilth
of this month, is actually in hand. If it he an, the holders of
the stock can. have nothing to apprehend from the change of
:Ministry ; if such be not th ear~', and the payment of the divi..
dend be delayed upon excuse of the presekt disarrangement.
it will be evident that the supposition that the whole conversion.;
scheme was little more than a juggle will be evident. Certain
it is. however, that these fluctuations afford golden opportu-
nities for plucking the unwary.
The Treasury bondholders also hail a meeting to-days for
the purpose of receiving an account. from the Committer as to
the progress which they had made towards settling their claims.
The indefatigable chairman, Mr. 'faster, stated at route length
the trouble lie had been at, and it may be here remarked that
few men, who have undertaken a public office deserve so cf their fellow-sufferers as does this gentleman. It was pro,.
posed, as a last alternative, that a memorial should he present ad
to Espartero himself, in consequence, to adopt its language.
ti of the chairman having repeatedly, but 11 vain, appeateei to the justice of the Executive. Ilow far it may prows
effectual remains to be seen ; but this much et eel,
taro, that there never was a more ill-use:l body ut •mee,
under any nation, than the Spaniel' Treasury leindleelders.
Their patience in waitin,,e-for six years, while their (de:eels have
remained, not only in abeyance, but. wholly tiegleetee, deservel
the highest praise, and their moderation, when tleet.s las,ve seen
others, with less right, have had a preference, tieseieves the
greatest. commendation. It must, on this point, he 'conceded
that they stand upon their own merit, that they have entered.
into eo compromise, and that none of them can be rne,t, with the
observation that " one hundred pounds is claiuv,ei for what
twenty-five was paid," as must be the case with ail specqeetive
purchasers. Some strong remarks were made upon t 4 at,.
sence of the original contractor of these bonds, who, altbough
invited to attend, neither did so, nor sent any documents which,
if they had been produced, would, it was eappeee,havethrowie
much light on the subject.

Mr. AGLIONBY did not think the fi;sispeecl3Madeby:ihe
Noble Lord at all calculated to calm the feelings of the House.
He said he wished to show the country who those Members
were who voted for the Honourable Member for Mon-
trose. Now, he begged to say that he would vote fer
the motion, and he would always do so when
the course pursued that night was adopted ; but not because
an individual Member made unwarrantable charges upon the
public conduct of an Hon. Member who held a responsible situa-
tion, but because he was cheered by Members on the other side,
and he thought that on those grounds there was sufficient
reason for saying that an important subject could not be fairly
debated.—( Hear, hear.) The party en the other side we:e
those who seemed anxious to obstruct the public business.
Lord STANLEY said he did not think the Hon. Alember
had heard much of the debate—( Hear, hear, hear)—as he had
one of
,those suspicious symptoms which would induce one to
believe that he had come rather late into the House.—
(Laughter and cheers.) But if he had.been there from seven
o'cloidiz he thought he would be less anxious for an adjourn-
ment. —( Loud cheers.)
Mr. AGLIONI3I7 wished that all personal charges were
made in such good humour as that made by the Noble Lord—
( Hear, hear)—but though he had a white waistcoat—(A
laugh)—he could assure the Noble Lord he heard every word
of the debate.

Mr. Hume's motion was then put and negatived without a

Dr. BO WRING then moved that the Chairman should re-
port progress and ask leave to sit again.
The question having been put and carried,
Mr. GREENE said that perhaps he might take that oppor-
tunity of saying, in reference to what had fallen from the Hon.
Member for Montrose, that he did not think the Hon. Member
fur Knaresborough had said any thing which was out of order.
It he had, he should have felt it his duty to do so at once.
'['he Chairman reported progress, and the House resumed.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock.

SPIRIT of the PUBLfCJOURNALS.

FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY.
GLOBE.—Sir Robert Peel's Law Officers are begin-
ning to think it quite necessary to take matters out of his
hands as regards the issue or suspension of writs for
boroughs. The Right Hon. Baronet was last night very
decidedly snubbed by his Solicitor-General, fur his see-
saw and self-contradictory sayings and doings on that POLICE INTELLIGENCE
subject. " The only constitutional reason," said Sir W.
BOW-STREET.
EXTINGUISHING TUE PUBLIc r I.GbLT4.--,A lad mimed
Follett, " which could justify the House for suspending a
with l''
writ was, that it was. on the eve of taking some prat- Samuel Rogers, was charged eim tog up a lamp post '
tical step towards the disfranchisement of the borough. If Castle-street, Long Acre, at quarter puttee mood ~,,s Nin„,,;.4
then, the Right Hon. Gentleman would say that he was on night, and extinguishing the light. ~ ' --'"aY
the eve of bringing in a Bill to disfranchise the borough Policeman, F 100, proved the eltarge. ''' -
it every,
liable
of Newcastle-under-Lyme, he (the Solicitor-General) Mr. JARMNE said this was an offenco which ever cue -
concerned to prevent, and the pet-0(m eamtakting.
would be able to understand his argument." It was im-
possible to intimate more pointedly that the Solicitor- to a penalty of 405.; it was an offence which he could riot pas, General cannot understand the conduct of the Prime
over. As it was the first charge of the kind, however, a gainse
the lad, he should only flue him
Minister towards different boroughs. " Unless thedy. . ism
were prepared to disfranchise the borough," he repeate ,
Frederick Pridham, a
(gintlemonane:h-disliej:ge:nyethp:retna2e:
: teal student, residi,
Atil RLBOROUGH-STREET.
" there were no grounds for suspending the writ. .
If the House was not prepared to follow up the who stated that he is a
at No. 8,
suspension of the writ 4q some legal measures, Harpur-street, Red Lionm-
ns bail from
he (the Solicitor-General) for one, must vote against Monday, being charged with troa:!Ol aTarsedsaur,7,ng. Lieutenant-
high his life was en
it." Sir Robert Peel, of course, thirst not oppose this Colonel Baron
tßhaeraenvidOesuteeen,ofojfatinhees9tshui
high and peremptory dictum of authority ; and he had dangered.
it appeared, that about two e'etock op;
i3a
ai.ltreornn 0 ow:haet
Libeaunnrtc:.",aoirdnais to the Barsan6
indeed nothing to oppose to its retrospective effect on his
sidencen
defendant came to his
tamaq-_,utiereedi
past flounderings, but the singular avowal that he had
vr.rhether residence,
acted on no general principle at all. This, indeed, was 4
2, Dov er
street, Piccadilly, and
inia-4-1 e repliedln the affirtntAive, and having ushered him
Baron'saittirte,sence, left, the room. A few mitat.ss
evident from the palpable contradictions of his course ; home He ''7
but it required the Right Hon. Baronet's peculiar descrip•
tion of moral courage (which is neither the courage that afterwards s
s,:cr hisl 'Nits tong violently, and on going
desired
ir...ester and the defendant strugginig
prompts consistent action, nor frank expression) to make into his room hewa;
such an avowal his sole, substitute for argument, or de- together. Ho
violent blow
to h
;I,,,togdassist in removing. the defendant':
fence. Argument there is none, defence there is none, for from the roma, and as hr
most.
dei so, the defendant;
it course so tortuous, which began with suspending the struck the Baron a
hand. The blow Was given with
constitutional franchise of Nottingham on the hare with an ebony thick walLine.-stick °'..;
e liadthe- bea4
such force,'
that th in
In'a
4
supposition that a fishing inquiry might elicit the fact
that some of its 'voters were bribed. That was the was snapped asuirsier, the Baron's head cut in two *se '.rj''4.
wi:litehotrt
aetpdires of stick striking it. The defendant w•,s'ih',./41
one of
sand a glazed case of stuffed birds was also broTele7isits.Ye
course taken against Nottingham, without the shadow
of legal proof, or presumption. On the other hand,
mferineddgheexattlre,ams teffilitf.lritinsejeloets:tol ffrom blood th,
ea
tor •
ri
t li. e elx‘heeitenda rsntlitea Uof i
Ipswich, where everything was proved, and a great
deal more than anybody affects to anticipate prov-
luni
IZ)oti wasNrinw nimbi) to leave his, bed.
ing against Nottingham—fortunate ,Ipswich must not Mr. Sher'raprd, ea Bond-street, surgeon, stated
have her rights for a day suspended. South- that he was ealledeoiinitutose.adt'tewlt' :oh,
je Baron, whom ne found
for' The wounds appeared to
arnpton, on the other hand, exhibits no case like • fering from two
hr,ie b:manidl;t. brit.* ea the ilea d..
Ipswich, but presents another piquant opportunity
..4citseh.)wtihth ablunt la-
aari the head was cut throat'
fishing inquiry. It is another case, therefore, to do ' strument•
great danger from them, yet owing to the Barotry's viva °IQ:
the plausible, and show uneasy virtue. There was be- ; dressed lots
wounds, und, although he did not eskull.apprehend 117
and. the excitement under which he was labout"l
sides, the irresistible temptation to Sir Robert Peel's :.
temper to make a merit of sacrificing a friend. So ; atYal '65.
Thconrequences might ensue. t xng
turn:. defendant alleged that lie called upon the Baron 'as cla.
Southampton is suspended. But now we have Newcastle, i
a.
b_so.t!ti
h7i_mhe,thoerrwhheethheardhwerhitatden
etvoerhtiasidfatalnteiyr,thDinrg.
rl:rdadrh,
hajz,
under-Lyme, where again there is proof of bribory--- :
where, farther, there is a proof of a demoralisina extent ,
of treating ; here too the constitutional rights a dr;,-•
collaorn
demanding
answer him, he raerely laid his hand on his
, Warfarndyf to
Lord Tenterden or Mr. Twiselton Fines. On the
and of dinner-money, are too sacred to admit of ;aspen.
sion. So Newcastle-under-Lyme has Nor w-',t. :
STANDARD.—Lord John Russell!i; "
proposed Bill pushed him awaf,aanmainrsanetro—aYesasfeor nn—d
on. lie/A the Eiaron
has no fault that we can discovrss, except that it pro-
poses to comprise in one Act Measures which wotdd he cne a Turkish cimeter—and then fearingan seized
• 'fm°
scv"rdSig—
ensue, lie closed with the Baron, to endeavostrmitsochwierfeinst tit
better separated, not merely with a view to the certain I weapons from him, and then certainly did strike him with hie
walking cane on the head. The door of tie room was at the
success of the more importaat measure, but also for instant. opened, and a number of persons, both male and fen sales
practical convenience, nlattild both be adopted. As rushed in and dragged him out, andin the scuffle he was rea .1
far as concerns thL trial of disputed refurns, the strangled. Ii y Noble. Lord's thy'
appears to be excellent. Its In answer to Mr. Maltby, Mr Sberrard
.sntatefd the, in all
adoption may- not obviate bribery altogether, but probability the Baron would be able to attend'
it will infinitely diminish its amount. We have Mr. Ma tirey said that the case shouldistaanr 4'4..411.
laws against treP.lon, murder, and robberv—vet these Monday next, and he should call on the defendant to `tine!er.
oath _ I bail,
crimes are sometimes committed, though the - first two himself in 2001., and two sureties in 1001. each. It. was' how.
of them are happily of taro commission ; and the effect
to the am, at of 4001..
ever, afterwards arranged that the defendant's isse 'l,
and that of his father, Dr. Pridharn, who gave 'Ai. s°addirzeass"ati.
of Lord John RuSsoll'a proposition for trial of election t.illitoeulltefortn Club-house, conjointly,
petitions wiii Wader bribery almost as rare. There is
th for the defendant's appearance ,st ' Monday neat.
this, too, to lie cOnsidered, that bribery will scarcely Mrd takenlP)erii am stated, outside the office, 6'4 I' ,re que,iimi be
be ever practised upon a small scale, because asked.the Baron was, whether he had or Nast] ips.
when so practised it will have little effect, and port that he (the Baron) was his father,of spread a re-
awl tier; Dr. P idltuus
that, therefore, by preventing ' wholesale bribery, WORSHIP-STREE:t . r
you go a great way, in extinguishing the crime The driver of the hackney cabriolet No..
altogether. 'n.w*.egend branch of Lord John Russell's moned before Mr. Bingham, by Mr. Thomas' l:k36, was
8"1-
prOposititHAT,VlAt which respects the disfranchisement of sale tobacconist, in Chea.pside, to answer d'ile'ecl ins'
a wh
'312.
ing exacted a target amount of fare than, large of ksav-
he was legally en-
corrtspt conatitueueles--is not open to any objection that
titled to. .
We Cah see at present, save that some useful additions
',into, the defendant , nl4}' btis made to it, Lord Sandon's proposal for a special ad-
dressed Prior
. t ti. a idaenndcseaibed being oneghe
',lad become. sensible of 'the
commission upon the spot, among others. But the scheme
error he had committed, and was Issacly to return; the moan itasf
seems too crude, if we may use the word without mean- oeel:charge he had received.
BThean cel
iv,
ing disrespect, for as, early an adoption as the circutn- PI he complainant said that the mere overchar: se was it tn; Ater
stances of the time. suggest., in respect to the propoaed of minor consequence ; his, reason for proceeding &Oust , the
trial of petitto,ns,
defendant, was on account s4f the audacious and violent winner
VCIVUTER.—With regard to Lord Jan RP' :ell's in which he had conducted himself.
Ilill, wo object in limine to the principle of "11311aernst:itv " The Ms G est R A Tl: raid he should require the, lefendant ..la pay
,m which it is founded, and in which corss'ist • ' the
s its sole
sum of 135., which would include the costs and overcharge.
chance of proving efficacious, If 0- . .
'* ere be any one The defendant paid the amount, and was disc harged.
maxim of Etvlisis law snore ull;"wrn
a
e b lly recognised, or
(I e,
found en clearer principle,. than
oth s.r,itis that
l'444llArk is bound to ertunate himself—and if there
ha,,,.,„ any,„ one d9tillOrr from that rub., more den-
t, --418 •aan."...lother, it is that which grants "pardon "
bOlbr°4"`: and then exacts confessions of guilt.
TIP' -•
k,rown can alone pardon; and that privilege the
Legislature would' usurp by an Indemnity Bill, such as
that proposed by Lord. J. Russell. Beside holding out
impunity on the easy condition of subsequent confession
would constitute an almost irresistible temptation to
commit the offence. The readiest receiver of the proffered
or solicited bribe would also be the readiest informer ;
he would fly to the mixed tribunal in order to cleanse
himself of guilt and evade its penal consequences with
indecent eagerness; .just as it happens in Roman Catho-
lie countries, that the villain who dreads approaching
danger seeks the "confessional" with the same hopes
nay, certain conviction, of thereby purging himself of all
his crimes, while his wretched tendencies and propensi-
ties remain in full and vigorous action. We protest, there-
fore, in toto against the indemnity clauses of the pro-
f posed measure, as being not only at variance with the
fundamental principles of British law and the spirit of
the Constitution, but also with all sound notions of mo-
rality. Surely a.more obvious temptation to commit an
offence could hardly be imagined than the certainty that
one's disclosing it will insure impunity. Surely, if the
offence carries with it any stain of moral guilt—if it be
not, in fact, a legal fiction, it is not competent
for the Legislature to pardon it ; and if it were,
it Would not be conducive •to public morality
to do so. The power resides in the Crown,
doubtless, to offer passion to parties charged with
crime on condition of their informing against others
more deeply stained than themselves, and the ends of
Justice frequently require its exercise ; but that is no
reason whatever for vesting such power in the Legisla-
ture, or for declaring beforehand that a speedy conies..
sion absolves offenders. Other provisions of the P,lll,
though less liable to objection than the one we have
here touched upon, require to be either remodelled or
considerably modified before they can expect tte sanc-
tion of either House of Parliament.

MONEY MARKET and CITY 'NEWS.

THE PRISONER FRAN-CM
On Saturday the friends of the prisoner waited on Mi.
Flower, at his office in Batton-garden, and in strutted him to
prepare the prisoner's defence i and soon aft( kr tar& Mr.Wooillf. the principal clerk, proceeded to Newgate, t o'have an intervie w
with the prisoner, and receive the necessary/ instructions. Mr:
Cope, the Governor, upon being made awa re of the applicatie
said that he should feel it his duty to be present at tht intttr-
view between Francir and Mr. We (tiff, and the lit ter
observed that it yeas rather an unusual . course, but if it .was,
persisted in, he must, comply. Mr . ('ope in; i titat e 4
1 that hi, instructions induced hits to tate this course, ape he
was accordingly present.. Mr. Woolli,, however, told the: pri-
soner that he ;lionlil. not, upon that ot Pasion, take any instruc-
tions from him upom the subject of his, defence, and alter some
general obseryat;,ons he left the prise Al.
On Monday application was made, at the Acme-office, for a
copy of the depositions against the. prisoner, and the father of
the prisoner was referred to Bow- strkset police-coort ; there he
was informed that the depositions had been returned to tkc Central.
Criminal Court ; but upon a tlrird. application being made, the
reply was that the depositions liad not been receivod, anti that.
it was supposed they were still in the custody of the clerks atßow-street. Why all this mystification shouli be practisest,
appears difficult of explanation, as the prisoner, :by the Pri-
soners' Counsel Act, is er.titled as a right to have a copy of the-
depositions made against. hint upon payment of a certain fee,
and why they should be. withheld on such , serious matter, and
where their production. is so essential to the prisorier's defence,
appears rather singular.
It is expected the.; this delay will, with,' other matters, fora
the ground for an application, on behalf of the prisoner,, to havethesrial postponerd over the next ensv,ing session. lbe pri-
soner still continues in the same composed state, and declares,
as at first, that there leas nothing )Jut powder in the pistol
when it was dischargedi.
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FROM THE 410ANING PAPERS OF' YES",'ERDAY.
TIMES.—to the English Funds some fluctuation has oc-
curred in consequence of the chief operatlaons of the day having
been salsa. The first transaction of magnitude was the pur-
chase of 100,00 W. Reduced by the 'Bank broker, which for the
while supported the market under the disastrous commercial
accounts from India. When, however, sales followed, muoh
heaviness was apparent and pr;.oes declined.
The deferred consideratiws by the Spanish GovernmenW
the claims of the Tretsury bondholders gave rise to another
meeting to. day at the London Tavern, where the Committee
who represent this interest attended to give any information
that might be required. From the statement of the Chairman
(Mr. Tasker),it appears that no further progress in the ar-
rangement of these bills has been made, and that the Spanish
Financial Commission now sitting in London do not seem