The Sun.
London, England, 1842-02-17 00:00:00

..Present duty is 21s. Bd. ;at 645., it is, according to my scale only 8s•, whereas it is 2'.'s. Bd. Now, it continues at 6s. from 665. •t° 68s• a quarter, and then it is diminished gradually until it
"rem down to Is, a quarter. I say that that scale is the best
;;;Tliaetreediaitousweeure real and permanent advantages to the
c°untrY, and benefit our agricultural, is well as our
manufacturing interests.-( Gaud cheers. )
thew silssPPu'e corn 665. per quarter, a duty of 6s. attaches;
pearsat-e duty attaches also for 675. and 6Ss. ; it ap-
seatizo %Ole the holders of foreign corn would rather
is coro at 636., with duty of Gs., than wait for
;thiellehance of the price rising to 725. or 735. I think he
hese pour
in his foreissn Corn when the duty is 6s.
to h Irre the elleulations which will enter into his mind and
whence: is that foreign corn will pour in to such an extent
the e rft is from 645. to 685., as will be a great service to
• Caini?n'unier• Now, what was the scale proposed by Mr.
tufa. ing in 1328. At 645. his scale proposed a duty of 125.,
. h. was dtaY 0 Ss. ; at 6os. his was 10s., mine is 7s. ; at 665.
:115,-'l'B3-, mine is 6s. I will now take the Nobe Lord's
tte' and I will compare the high price in his scale with the
b5.l- Prtees in mine. He would continue the duty of
n,, ''l,..;en co:n was from G4s. to 70s. ; at 70s. under
tslltaotreen:alveitoxsuamlniee
s,-.',,seLle the duty would be 45., at 735. on my scale Is.;
• ' down"'•3s• on *the Noble Lord's scale, unless he slipped them
siie, to nftsing, would be Bs. How can. it heinpeosis
ttnhe two scales and not admit that mine
nd
the eonsunser than the duty a f
that inference is drawn b those who are better judges e
this subject than we are. yYou are not to judge from the
made bv the free trauer, but you should examniirine
e "Ports of those who are most conversant with the e
trade, I
of ans they have comet to a unanimous conclusion in favour
--•:Yd much ainTuhseedill°w% dealers in corn as innocent doves,
sGweintitllehmiasns the Member for Coventry
first he says " This will relief to the country,
cause great
ers of foreign corn wi not keep it
• hold easily to
those
deceived.a
d u ty
c many
i anstne
yst
deal for the Cor-o-1
advantages to consumers will be considerable," ~ t°iel:itlihilaitnigfarnqyuarter, butt)eyjwill admilbiytaeittokattbileslls. d is. The
nwaiathgretlaiet
d at
Bill
~I shouldey
w i
lbl
aw. But he says
atfirst, though the time will soon come when they will see
ebdeoidelude
pat it is better to keep their corn till the duty comes to a shil-
ntages which
own'
greatly' to the relief o
..Tg." But this attempt to deprive me and my plan of the
f
the consumer, shows to what extremities Hon. Gentlemen
must result from it,
"ale beeu led. I received this morning a letter from Liver-
. Ptiistoa.tl,.,f4rto.:pornoepoosfathose unfortunate gentlemen so easy to take
prteisesndt.ated Liverpool Corn Exchange, Feb 15. It sayts,
I scale must be considered a great change.
theL6unieldt. lie
ril'ofrocia:e the prices of the old scale, and compare them with
With the present price of wheat at Liverpool,
scale
it , duty under the old scale would be d.
scale it-is 1 Is. On rye the duty is 9s. 6cl , sunder
laY scalewill ill be 2s• 6d. The duty on beans is Bs. 3d., under my
. sable,l
speaking ! *
dwh ewilalh
be bs (id 0 Peas the duty is 16s. 9d. Under my
• scale it would be .25,.6t1. n and on American flour the duty at
tr_esent is 151. Zild. per. barrel ; under my scale it will he
wyet:Yupou tell rae it is of no advantage. It is imos-
Judgments to thereil:°llsek,attrcioe pehoaighsrhtei,cutlnartsh,aatnednnwe'hluenstnyno.o apply
I arn yournnw
rititlycl:tu aliiii3O eonsiderin the arguments that have been
aewnilleCl"teo say that I have been practising a miserable delusion,
and I think it is impossible for
adb::elateteetre"le hold sa
Y
rational
givingi
1 ans t it, advantage whatever.e Yon tell me to abandon
thing. You say that all parties are disappointed
(Cheeragasal tsles
it is better t retain the present law, that is
grievance that public indignation may hte.
I think it the wiser policy to improve i
But thn
Noble Lord s -and tllli you fall back on an Bs. duty, the
Cott of
amicably, is
d customs
i.JlT:oaencont, disturb unless
Lord boaucosne,ttvleer;y tuhreiwriestee.9,-
ciethdeisetus:biaitnitcye of old customs, unless you
and arrange
He tried
does he more unwise still.-(Loud cheseertst.le)
, . he
,o hon.. to last year, and he proposes it now, but
hope
carry it with satisfaction to the country?
lie
4" ,s.,_an Fs., notwithstanding that detachment of allies, who 1
o his left flank to
on
laugh)-and who, though they
to YlL°te with hirn upon the present occasion, do not appear
have , his very ardent supporters--he seemed
.to
costive,6 "wit considerable uneasiness during this dis-
because they told him that his measure
4t.
taiideseed those prineiples which they advocated; and, under
circumstances does the Noble Lord, supposing that, by
f
Will lie a Majority, he may carry his fixed duty of Ss., hope it.
...(tiearsa Permanent and satisfactory settlement of the question?
114,1, hear, hear.) If the Noble Lord passed
the
• Crotyr. duty last year, this year, as Minister of th
light "i he would come forward, glowing with the
an which had broken in upon him, to propose
butttther alteration.-(Cheers.) I speak it not in his dispraise,
of
_seas.rspeietayk, to warn him not to be too confident of being able
s, Maintain a fixed duty of Ss. If prices should rise, in yearsde
You may depend upon it, a pressure would be ma
Zre(Hear,
and you would not be able to maintain your fixed duty.
ar, hear.) I must think that that Corn-law which I, e.s a self-adjusting power, which is able to do without call-
, tg. it the intervention of Parliament, has a great advan-
:!fie over that other law which trusts to the exercisei
r?_ !leentive authority ; and, therefore, if the Nodli)s_e
rts._ is dissatisfied with my plan, and if the .
of
Lo a old customs is, according to the sage advice
tieott-,laacoli, a very unwise thing unless you settle perrn-
tioC" athe Noble Lord must, I think, abandon .his,proposi-
- if lie alit, act in maw mity with that philosopher's advice,.
•••••frst --`1 a duty of B=, will permanently settle the question.
• „--heers.) I thought it absolutely necessary to vindicate the
till' ',proposed against some of the imputations-unjust, I
aids'hdifBW.ieh have been cast upon it.-( Hear, hear.) 1 know
.. tioh-"oisities of any arguments or statements on suchana q
Whe'4 I am rtnnOdent of the difficulties of my situation, and
_ndrentihegant
• Cora try to answer your objections by showing that f
under the
• scale imsaY be introduced with advantage
. . rd.- ' hate proposed, I wirea are averse to any change.-Hear, ai )If trto
am fortifying the objectionslof those
si.4, iliPprehensions there I see a n oteerhteaaliney. n
unreasonableon t h eo her
ohje,t.kaallighter)- and if I try to
aans"met, not by a hostile
' . tiote '31,4' 4041 the other side,
,Sat ai.' ~,s'atit by Ow intimations and
be „7"old mite: 1 ch, hpiitave that in a merern
mwhispersartof,
sense
eseit
maywho
all eilises,_e to, say "We will stand by the C 0
‘l. eoge." some say 44 Amend the average .
- Ipa ws ,
,), w e N
Thev will 1
Nobleresist
bar ) lie
°l'
(L - i- one.-( Hear, -0 . _
" ' says 'all ,s`ird Worsley ) s
he opposes
and, therefore,
Mao
01,•eat the Corn-law requires is an amend-
' lay n 1 the averages,
, . pseuefaallte,--( Hear, hear.) Butth otthleleardmcotnnstsidtreartattosnonosf
the 'on those who were charged with
s . IN:ll:airs of this country,-(
n ements
thiel it-that in consideriog this question, the arrangements
andg corn-
Hear, hear. ) I state.) before-
' Areas °.ught to be made consisteritly with enlarged
thelii‘ive views, and avoiding the distiii•ban of CillPitai in
liolLtestrnent of agricultural pursuits, looking to the prosfpeenrmit!
t.. allerZcial happiness of the people, lookiog to the state.o
!. liati;vs ,and the advantage, when there may be a deficiericyrat
',..lhatfi Of. having a supply of foreign corn, and introducing
0.
: tet..l4-11 so that there nia b the least disturbance of the U 1
Aild- ..sYstern, making theYgr:at 'eset approach to. regular dealing,
t t with due
Pliter,.gllit% the
.greatest encouragement cons"
7cturing in-
,"' Siti-,"°,4 to agriculture to the interests of menu a
4.' .talar-ta ling to consider all these things, to weigh them,tol
!,1 sr
wt, hay relative and comparative merits-the measure. .
neljec-nave determined on is that which we conscientiously
the- e uPon the whole to be the most consistent s .
sa
.10, h4eneral interests of the country..-(Loud e eer .)
eits,4':e not conferred with the aoriculturists for the purpose of
witted ff their Concurrence and support. We have not per-
ttei,satly te success of our measure, I gave a proof that I w
hhur;tah'' abatement iv, this particular or in that, in order
was
s."lt atid ~_'!B.snorne risk-risk.ito thebelieve
t h Government-bye for
the
best p
-ett of -"J'el g that whichaderravaint.-
o',l!iieoetts`sn_ . community, and unfpot,nHetahr,isheaprr.i)neNi
chef, ,070.stto act,-(Loud cries. PVieeshwalel
1, ilggerated
_out, violent opposition fromthastomwee
• • den elikiPle *
Pprehensions. Conscious ;arfreoametiontghenrns
passed
iisttea. ia, tt:thich we believe to be right, our hope and confi-
-'. Mos.'''. whet, when the first storm of passion may
.ahall°l ths _, cooler judgment and reason, aythheavearcamina-
tio 'Shoc
~,,°°:cuments which we have presentedhto
partthe
oHfotuhsee
r Caligated unjust apprehensions on it he
ma
• aftteis" res. u°4Y - that then,
all led and cent
reats ske , may • i tnhnoeu g hirremexnt
irreconcilable, yet,
y
hich is just,
• . and) tleatd %L°rding to the old practice of this country,
fe is s-PPottes-ration will gravitate towards that w
surs-4 *ith us by that principle, and by those who,tlioughindeilf:
ehalei i: at, 414,11 degree, may yet think that their present
hope that we
.•• , Withn cyan
"'lenient, we entertain
da confident
have the satisfaction,
e-lit iniury :Nl' all obstacles, an
din. the
awi %olio_ eta,. and manufacturing interest,
I e l'intaer '''s ''° the agricultural interest, and with benefit to
of
.amt ehneerss,. )
(J. Isord illaregulate the trade in corn.-(Ministerial eti
It'ide." 131ERSTON rose amidst loud cries of Divide,
last session
' q Nit a" " order He said, Sir, at the close of the ._ .
cuter •Inlent, I ' thor alned that the
Government announces'
ventured to express' the apprehensions which 1
Co intemi6 . e measure which the
• weed satisfy th .
be
not .. nto propose in the present session.of. Parliament
or the some re..adjust fth sliding scale, or some change
Yso . expectations of the country, if it would
one
central
pivot
mid o
. ,
ioeeernrnent that
would give satisfaction to
*eh' (Hear, fro such measure h
aI took -the liberty of warning the
h.s.._ e haci since Parr met hasjustified the appre-
. -'sions which 1 entertainedmi/tnt has
e Opposition experience
re. After fi •
sacking the
and the warning which I then
otitis, t
.%e months' experience-after ran
(Lor which has been
i teem o for information the Government comes down with
aea wisi!re which is as imperfect as the one it seeks to remedy,
II s''• Russell) in that - • "s 1 e igrammatic language. o
thit "e is so able terse an p
justly deseribed by my Noble riendf
et, 4nd settles a master, as a meas
And what has
- es nothing.-(Oppositton cheers.)
on the
ure which disturbs every-
no, hike result? The result has been that whilstis
`;''' 1)10" the Government have dissatisfied their •opponen
..
..•: ttliet(lB...._°,,,er they
.have discontented the reat bulk of their
is to be
fu nitteri ~pposition cheers, and cries of " No" from the
twee4d• 11 sale,) Sir, the truth of my assertion
itt that ki„,. silence
hpapsterial) section of the House received the .p_
,4 speech with which the floo. Gentlemens eienethoat..
ded to by cheers from h
ft Ir°lll the °f the Government the other night.-( Crie of isit. e
-., :lkisieliposition benches, respon
- 'tinted ;,711 side. ) Why
al dissatis-
factio, glat thismeasure would give almost universal _ . _
the Hight Hon. Baron.et bimself ad-
' last -* He described in a lively
'few .e has
• hh. measure is met.
.', s`(Cri minutes the objections with wine ts,n .
manner, within the
t, c,oort4es of •t Adjourn,. ~ (mists order.") 1 here were two
''' Iltev-.°Pen tothe Government to be pursued in this matter.
',ii, if, a; tint, ight either have taken their stand upon the law as it is,
' 'Ms watteY asserted on a former occasion, they thought that this
I` they h a good one, and that it was inexpedient to alter it. If
i 50t,,,, Id talcen that course, they would, no doubt, have been
It, toceel`i'rted y a lame majority of their party in this House, and
..` Ila; beentfoese-rhas hat% carried their measure, and perhaps it would
rgerit
was, i.had persevered in that course. Another course
Chan iet.hey thought that the state of the country required a
thing in those laws-if they were desirous of conceding some-
.. retrie.,s° the feelings of the people, by attempting to apply a
tt
~, uY to the distress of which the House has heard so much,
crow light have come dawn, disregarding all taunts
,0_ t Ose who disapproved of their course, and re-
. I,l'l:mended perfect freedom in the trade in corn. Sir,
, s by man a course they would no doubt have been opposed
14,,nnY of those who, at present, support them. There would
but he a temporary secession, perhaps, of their supporters,
(1. 4,_eY would have had support from other quarters-
, stn,tulloter)-and would have carried their measure. That
8,7 that'' ould have been best for the country, and I beg leave to
°I the I think it would have been for the permanent interest
It is --elernment itself.'They have, however, decided otherwise.
Partiens°.t given to man, much less to men in office, to please all
.....,,,, ; but it has been given to them to displease almost all.
ks'_ilre,r, hear.) I have no doubt, Sir, that the measure will
'•47ittnaereied.,-( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.)
wr., gives consent, and though none of those gentlemen to
40;:114._
Ili have alluded are found to express their acquiescence,
_____l.,;tue tthey will be found voting with the Bight lion. Baronet.
5r..," `(Heat', hear) Now, Sir, lam against this scale. I am
g6.:n.st_._ the other scale. Conceding if you will to the Right
tiZ.iitlaronet that the scale which he now proposes is a mi-
imitaiblite in some respects of the scale as it now exists, still it
over' ,_ to some objections which the Right Hon. Baronet
oss,„°(,)_aseds-( Hear, hear.) When he states that this scale
{rode le s !cope for speculation and for gambling for the pur-
.t.., of ra!sing the prices, I think he is"mistaken.-( Hear,
it to
palm!, Sir, this stale arrives at the vanishing
very
FY smaller degrees than the former one. Why, that.
wsorie:rtelinstance offers, perhaps, additional temptations to
the e.ndevour., when corn is at a certain price, to raise
Isrs_ns
who
at which the duty vanishes. this scale
Nitiliiithaoridceimf bthineeplwiocueldsh!..teatbhuatt ifsi theynk
alittle,could
the
et
duty
it 1
aos,vaYb;ol:l;hdefailrbeasecknt us):3l,w would Idt
they
yt be
faileda largein
where
i• e duty which towel have to, nis mg pric, a fall of one shilling adds materially
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