The Sun.
London, England, 1811-05-02 00:00:00

St~'ll,'r'.

The.,Copy commtinicatpd
to the 0,11 t1.14J pia) ) 1808, by Mr.
S,,,crela{y havii% b€en referied to the
cointniiwq v,i)tily, the Lieuse resolved itself
1110 the Coininitlei*, when '
The CHANctuAtin of (41e EXC}MWER moved,

" That a tool not wt.:ceding 400,00)1. be granted to his
tlAjcsty, to etlittite hint' to otaito ioott the ptevt.)tuioi ot the
*too freAty."

OA the question being put,
to r Ming to address a few oh-
m r lotib t 0,.! Commit tee upon the huhjeetot
,this
vow, do.l not colt mut an hope that :he could in,
eete Cotholitt,C tO (114.3c7.1.t, trout the grata pro.
potwd , n.ittier was it ins intention to enter into any
of tmott ,rgottittnts• tali! _t I,e had ttequently used
000 n this ur j 3rld which had been touch mutt`
forc..ll'.) urged hy many other Honourable Members:
but at the same time he 'cituld not h*elp ekpressiog'
his opinion ti,rt, tiWwilh,,tand:ng he state of elation
to wtriai the public laid had been raised by our
recent sitcveSiiei, it rCtlh'itly itieutlialeht 01),.,11
ttirtt House to guard gsgait.st the etfittt such a feeling,
was 'peOtl(lee, Mato pradht the intluenet,
Of a j„tit extil ashitt hem abattog that spirit of
i.sh kik Lid), bet he, acne a great tilt in the ,trio,
Mew of success. With respett to the vote under
cooklerittot, he was of opinion, that when voting
so 1,44'e a burn as e stibtildy to Sicily, they ought to
knout/ to what obje.cts it was applied, At a time
when we were afrording such aid mil protetlion to
SiCtly, it was out right tliat every trattieuhlts enders.
%our showld be used to procure a rt-dress 01 the
abuses or tbe Gosertunent of thy eoutati, Unless

country labre,sli'ti were in tie reince
vices of the Got trnmeta eerreaed, it was 11)-01iitely
impossible that. the Governineet 'could steed, It
waeltnown utiiverselly, that tlere'was nut now, nor
ever hied hoot in existeecoea moreeprofilgete Goeerne.
merit thrin.,that el Palermo. WhaleVvr might be his'
opinioeerf 'the 'vieee of that GoveraneUnt, or of: the
tistieSShe9B Of .our emileavOurs to defend it, without
some salutary aurettion of its-defects; he should not
oil this occasion take the sense of , the Committee.
uPon the vote.; sensible as he was that he would not
be able to induce a majority 'to think
Ite should, however, take that opportunity ,tie ad-
vert to a motion, brongfa forward on liiday last,
by a Right Honourable Gentledean 'opposite, (the
Chancellor of the Bite(wirer), when he twes himself
nuevOidably Ascot eiteeding, indispensable public,
business;—he meant the'Vote of 'Planks to Lied,
Wellington and', his army. It wes an invariable rule
with him tostafertioeoncteiteet a, private: neeere
to ititerfere with his atteetion to his duties. in Per-
feenent, whenever ally impertentouestiott carped for
the attendance of Mendb es; and he shook{ not have
been out of his.pinee en thew:easier) to which he ak
luded, if he had tee been under a tieces-iq of at-
tending to equally imeertent. public duties evlsee
whete, fee regretted hiving heen nbsent on. that.
occasion, because.he would. have most :014,C1 fully
cordieily concurred in the vote tittle:imposed ;.
and because he would haver been 14a tvly h'4l.oW:oh'
the King's Ministers the tribute of his preieeee-i
tribute which he, at no other time, could have;
paid thern—fer having Selected a .General„ in w hour
they
.could repose entire confidende, for theeible ex-
ecution of the very arduous and important ever-Ames
lie was entrusted with. This tribute ot wet
justly dice to those (ilci it lento) • and every iteimioneo
applause and admiration to the gellaut General
'whom they have seleeted. lie had, 'be must cere
fess, from the.igettrancein"weich he was as to itre
real state of the caseeat different limes sated his
denbte on the subjeel 6f some Lord Wellingtorivi
operations ; and with tile deeree: of information be
lied at the time, unreiettioneitly niany of them ap-.
rie;ired tat hint !laic. b,2en extrvuldy qtrteetelteeble.
Now, howeitere that he was enftbled to view f. he
aggregate of' operations al a. a whole, tie must .say,
tea the campaign appeared to him to have been
condo ted upon a triciStj triash?rly highly. ho-
nourable to the distiligteehed Geheral who formed
and execrated ii, and worthy rif the with
bit:,l; it had been crowned. lie, Weis hippy', there-
-1.• re, to acknowledge Lire sense Iteenteutauuied of the
great and convienous talents of Lord Wellington
anti to add the tribute of his butane admiration and
applause, to that well-earned fame which 'his emi-.
neat; services had so deserveely. atqoired tor him.
He. could .not better express hie:sell as to the
sense he entertained of Lord Wellington's merits,
Hein by quoting the. words of an elogoeut yOung'
who promised to, become an orna-
meet to
.that 11oUse4.1bough he 'lntrit bi-g leave to
(key that Member's premises, thit any .ievehmis
Getltiee existed in tette quarter, with reset to Lord
words he meant were " hai--
diem supers tit."' Upon this qbestion he felt
him ,ed called upon to say, tent. in the moment of
&take) for fitlcciftis, tut, ehould net forget that moder-
at,i,6l which should belong to cis ,:under cif-
cenisteoces—ewe should . not lose -sight of that,
which, in his ether, one o. never tee have • been
broken—an opinion ctrl,. I tallied by him frown tee
first ; and %elate in his judgment, might cm many
occasions during' the war have been -eceoniplished
ee-fie meant peace. We should „never forget, thit
the only legitimate objeti of till. war is peece; TliiS
cOnsideratioe was in any war deferving of serious
atteetioee'but more Particularly. so in the present
uppressed internal .state of this country, and ire the
distressed' state of the whole world. -'lt was his
opitiionetletivwe ought to endeavour to use tonelaie
success far the attainment Of the desirable obieet of
peace. How that was to be done, it st as not- for
him to determine ; but it was sincere coevie-
tion, that it might' always to he in our view; and
that if we were sincere iii nor w isles for peace,
it might, at et various other thnee, be now attain-
able.. He had felt it hiedute to say thus ,much,
both upon the motion before the Chmteittee, ,and
with respect the vote of Friday, which lie ceesi,
dered as' in some degree 'connected with it ; bur
should, no, divide the House out teis occasion,
'the Cu ANL:V.I4M ofthe ExciiCQucit did not think'
that any Hon: Membei could give ally oppose item iii
the vote lies had proposed, founded as it • was upon
the express stipulatious of p ,column trehty,.whiyh
h.rd rot etc •c 1 the sanction of that House. Ueda
then eireumstances,-he wars not surteised that the
Hon. Member!' had !tot teken, ti,e extrebrdioary
coarse of calling upen the Heuse to withhohl. ai
giant, guaranteed by a ereme, doting the centinu-
aoce,of the war. He! Could not helpetweetere
pressing his regret, that the Hole Gentleman tad
telt it necessary to express 'Outsell in the iitrOlig
tett:US:Which he hid usd, 'with reseed le the. Siete
litre Government and Peoele. It any thing could
make the deletice thet 'country more difficult to
British troops, it must be the etroployment of such
langtrage which, by holding Op the Government as
the most prorligaie, and the Teeple as the most
oppeeised, w3s calCulated to disunite' the goVern.
merit and ,t he. and thereby to wiaken those
cavorts,' whieli by their cordial operation for common
defence ,might he stttticient. l'he effect of the
British supeort of the Sciliatt Government hitherto
had been the preservation of Sicily independent of
France, With reseed to the staietoeut of the kfon.
Gentleman as to the vote of Friday, he could rot
forbear to express 'his sense of the Very proper man-
ner in which that 'lion. 'Gentleman' hod even his
unqualified applause and approbation to the conduct
of Lord Wellington—ap aeprobetion:eed applause
equally creditable to. the °Nett of it, as to the I
Member hiMselfe--and certainly More unqualified,
than there was reason to have expetted este from
the liberality and Candour of 'the 'Hon. Gentleinan.
lie the name of Lord Welliegion, therefore, he
begged leave to thank the Hen. Gentleman for the
very leuelsome menner ire which he bestOWel the
tribute of approbation upon his condua, Upoo
the seleitt6tvnf eel general topics alluded to by the
Han. Gentleman, every lion, Member, he was
persuaded, would are,: well let* its to, thq, eto-

nor .
lieved any 0 her Hon. Member, or any man in
coualy, with the Hon. Gentleman, that this'
prt.ci,cly the moment favourable to the Bail:
of the o'uje6,l professed by the Hon. Niemb,:r.

.Gentleman would' third: of il'Oying,. that. Cle, •
legitimate objeti of Lin war N4as iale and honour-
able pt:.-ipe ; 'the, Committee, pa be wasi.,' per.-
soadeA it waR, shou;(1 be of-opinion That the present
poment WaS not favourable to that object, hd could
not consider 'the discussion, of that tOpic useful on
this-occasion.,

Mr.tWsterAttusn begged leave to viedicnteihim-
RrII from- what had falletalrom the Right Hot,.; Gen-
tleman, in animadverting upon what he had said
rerpeetingahe charaiiter of the'Sicilian govtrtuireait„
The,Right Hon; Genttertian had exprecsal regret
that lie had applied' the !cons he, had used to alias
GoVernmerit.' What ! was Pari'airlein, then, to'.
shin its eves to the real state of the case? Was 'it
to pretend Ip bellete, that the SHildri Cerveroment
was not roost profligate, and that ti:eS,Ciltan people
Were not riot oppiessed/ that the cohduat
beeomiog that Hense to adopt, wheh mak log such
etforis for the prott-etioti of--Sicfly ? Were they not
to tdl the GovernMent of Stay of its vices,, with
a view to tlwir correction, and to the consequently
more effectual'exertion in the t.ittunoir cause ?-r-
He thought it was the duly Of any' ,Member of that
[louse, when voiing so large a sutra-of money for
the support,ot the Sieilian Goren-anent, to teenire
how far the. application Of it, might he likely to pro"
mote the end; and to do all in his power to procure',
a reform of those abuses in the subsidized Govern-,
'went which' ,threatened to defeat the object of the
subsidy. As to the otdserv3tion made by the Right
HolL_Gentleman, upon the tribute he felt himself
bound to pay to Loid.Welliagton, he would rcpeat,
that his praise of that gallant CAllicq was most an-
"qualified : but the light non. Gentleman bad'inis-
represented hirri :in saying War he had stated this
moment of our success to be peculiarly favourable
:for the attainment-of puttee. He had said no such
'thing. But surely it; was not a common-place to
say to the present -GoVernmenr, or to all the Govern-
ments which had existed with scarcely art exception
`for' the last twenty years in this country, that Ate
only legitimate end of all war was peace ? There
were occasions, when, in the moinent of. stuccos
on the port of this country, not only the Govern-,
meat beetneeindiSposed to accommodation,. but even
the people were inflamed to a high degree of asperity
against the enemy, extremely untavourable 10 pace.
It too often happened, that the people were taught
by their rulers to entertain such feelings, Sticee43
unfortunately kd to auticipations at extravannt re-
sults ; .to the expettatien of fresh coalitions, and the
certain downfal 'of the EMperor 'France. it was
nut a common-plaCe, ,therefore, to, ala c to Such
rulers; and under such circumstances, that the cull
of alt war was peoca. should not say, 'tor' no
man,conld posSibly undertake to say; that peace was
attainable ; but he would contend, that we ought
to try. There were many' instances to be found in
history of. pet sites acce=ssing in a niothent of pressure
to terms which, otler'other, 4'ireumstatices, would
not have_ been listened to,', Let the trial, Then, be
made. Of this he was quite sure, that many .uppor-
tunnies of. ()Wanting peace had be,ar lost, that-
the trial had nut 'yet beell made. Hu thought he
conkt dist:ere in the present moment
,something la-
ve-imble to that porythe. Ttie pressure' le der:, tee
-French Goiernment, and sucees3, `t4l4
tiered the Present a good occasion for waking 'the
trial and -11tinkiog so, he should not have .done
his duty, it he had abstaiued from' stating- this
opinion.„
Mr. W. &writ had on a former occasion been te-
linked, by the Right Hoii.
,Gentletnap opposite, for
stating his opinion ot tjie Sicilian Government..Thl,
profligate ,char4Mer that,GoVerntrient was known
to ad Eutor. At it time NA !it'll this. country Ittli,st,
necessarily possess so toech induence he
thonglit it .bur right to su gyres; a rowan ot the abuses
known to ;t-kist in its GoVerliMellt.: lie should
even 'be .satiqi-.1, if he -had heard,. or-could .earn;
that any representation had been made upon the
subject, ot any eninnionicalphs, made in favour 'of
the (Tressed people. If the vices of the Govern-
ment AVt.l4, COneOed, tie was convinced that, the
island inottitely mortelate,. and our de:.
fence of it more easy. The troops we. maintain.
there- would, in that cise, be more efficient than
double their ounther in the present State ot things;
the defence of the coliairy, top, would infinitely
less expensive... .11 was in that view he had urged
' the Subject, and the necessity of reform in-that Go-.
vernittem, towards the close of last Session. He
• knew the iiieellVeniettee that' must result from any
, interference with the internal Administration;- knit
. upon a_ mature consider:woe of the inconvetiftncq,,,
and of the benefit that would be dt:riVed frOni a re
firm of the ahuSes, he considered the advantage of
interference incomparably superior,'
'Sir stomasT TUJITON wets of oPlaiOn, that when
we enteral into the war in Sicily as principals, we
had o right to suggest the propriety' of correcting its
abases to the Government .of If be was
rightlyinformal, tha British army - had more to
'dread lotus the Government of Sicily than from all
the :Writs in the world. On the subject of peace
he should sly, that he was not afraid of the burp°.
polarity of declaring, that Vally,moment could be
more, favourable fur obtaioine peace it, was the mo-
ment of success. Now this country, might' ask, us
a preliminary, that France should give up Spain ;
and his Majesty's, Ministers were Wend to make
someoeteffill'at this moment to,,obtain. peace. As 'to
s
iiktestion; the House was now in a sito-
atiou in which it could nut know how t 4 withhold
the grant.

'iIIC question was then put and agreed to; after
which the Ho(lse rtuuttecr, and the Report was or.
dero tt> be received to-morrow.

Sir J. Ni tA, POUT, ativerting to the AEt by which
it was provided, that the Treasurers of Counties in
Irekttd hnuid teturu an Account of I ile3 Grand Jury
'Presentments in that country, wished to know
why the inovi3ions of that Att had. not been en-
f,rced.

Mr. W. W. PoLa said, he always felt great plea-
sure in giving the Right lion. 13;ironet tri cry intor-
matitiu in his vuwer, and it the Right Hun, 1.4ar,..-net

into it ; at Vre.en I. lic conkf ilot atOcr
. .
on; but he would wake the nisestary
Irish ivgilniett tett:1:11:i :Ist' ri;:l°i111')lt u3F1:1: 11:°::,13:aidtli iell)."Set ClOittie;11.11111:
and ordered to be committed to.tuorrow, ~
On-the Motion of Sir J. NV.wPoill, a RetOrn IL.
ordered to he laid betore the goose, of the hel6of
,3", Y,. aPPlielitiotis drat had been made it, tkie Stmoit
‘-nnee during the years 1800, .1810, acid WI. le'
speeting.the evasion •01-dui ies pal lieProtpra4ol4'llt!
the althwers to those' applications, And the nitaititri
. .
whleh bad been taken in corisegnt-nce.
.Alr. Bit AND gave notice of a plotioa for thii il.l
SC nnight ; b,,t we e,,eitt not collea its 1:11port,. .
'Mr. LUSH' NGTON brought. up tin! 114-pot (II We'
Committee of ilie hob Stage Coach Bit. ,
04 ilia titotion, thartLe Amendments be itgr`.‘,,°
toi Air, H eBBAIIT repeAed his 0 hjetlions tO 114 13"4
acid the gulit.ty *as:cie:ireti for a divivon. .
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It "app.e..ring, hip,vevij, that tilo!d ~ere bur ~
M, mbers' pre, nt, ' the 110,....ie Wai Oat:0301Y °l*
jourtmt.
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