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for,
this political dogma ut into its full consequences ;10,ri
if they did, it would defeat and overturn the sO
thing which they desired to prove. They had aPree
this political dogma to the subject of bringing
labour into the markets of this country. It was sij:
that many of those dogmas were correct in the psis
which they were intended to support, but there svass,ol
a certain tendency in them, and if this tendency "0
unqualified, those Hon. Gentlemen would find thst'esi
the application of their dogmas, they defeated their is
end. In the dogma which they had applied tese
question of the introduction of sugar, they had 05
looked the market's element. The sugar greweel
foreign possessions had the command of a great Cu,
of the markets of the world. It was a common roc
sary of life—at least it had nearly become so—a°edso
sequently the sugar of the British possessions 118 see
opportunity, for they were confined to fewer mark
The sugar of the West India possessions were lob
quently placed under disadvantageous circtunstleat
Those parties, who w, re deeply affected by these chai:ii
in the law—parties who, from their long experienee,e,
large Stake in the interest now before the House, etlfbs
in his opinion, to be heard with great respect led
subject—these parties were fair judges of the e°ll
the alterations propo.ed in the sugar trade, and TOO
be admitted with advantage as ey:dence °,Be,
consequences of the competition which the Prios
ation of the differential duties would ess
Those gentlemen had entertained great fel'''sstr
the competition to which they were about to bet ss
jetted, and had expressed their deep conviction tsbresdell
exclusion of the sugars of Cuba and Brazil 11E1%1' to
greatly to secure to them a benefit w hich they fel!,setS
necessary to their welfare. Had this not been tbel'esst
viction—had they not been assured that they had %Oa
stake in the matter—they would surely have long ves
yielded to the pressure which had lain so heavq etathem, and would, if from no other cause, yet fort
oe
of merely setting this question at rest, and thus 0
themselves from the injury which the constant disc s fie
of this question occasioned—hate last year joine"(sit
Hon. Gentlemen opposite. But they knew, as bee be
Gladstone) knew, that there was a great differeelabool
tween this country and Brazil. The cheapness of.
from the employment of slaves would have goal of
Cuba very grtat advantages after the rePde sitido
these: duties. This benefit, the Noble Ler 000
must inevitably have been shared among the cons estef
Now it appeared to him (Mr. Gladstone) that anuosses
was very prevalent in the country, and in that 0)0
respecting the quality of the sugars introduced le oft)*
country from Havannah. The average quality 110.
Havannah sugars was a high quality, and net, 10-10
supposed, a low quality; and therefore it Was,LtOis
dogma of Hon. Gentlemen opposite to this sumc-isor,
an unsound one, for the application of this foe' 09
overturn the conclusion at which they had
There was little doubt in his mind but that the! 00,
of the differential duties would give a great sold they
the increase of Cuba and Brazil. It was believ
this stimulus would so act as to create a great ee 001
tition in the British market in the sale of MOTs. 110 ii
this competition would increase the densands,-7esor
this demand would be satisfied by the sugars 010 ill
Brazil, so that there would be abundance for theissi
without that elevation of price which would otheravtol
occasioned if the demand had increased and the suPPpe,
been limited to the sugars of our West Indian cod
He (Mr. Gladstone) did n. t share in the alt.1440;0001:
that the sugars of slave countries would so grow Oisser;
as to answer the requirements of an increasing rises
Lien. On the contrary, he thought that thetas
surer prospect of this increase from our Weide:oil
colonies ; and he believed that if their interests W
so injured as to interfere with their produce, WY",
satist) the demands of this country. On theseAgoelrk
he thought the proposition of his Hon. Friee,,-s (r;
iinpraesicable nor illusory. The Hon. Menrtsigf,sir
Labouchere) who had sat down had said that 't of
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position was neither more nor less than a renewilssissrs
proposition of his Hon. Friend the Member for
but that was not the opinion of Hon. Mensbeistsilssr
side of the House. The Noble Lord had sales,*
object in bringing in his motion, was to put tseerol
in a position of some certainty as to their futurzie-
respecting the income-tax. Now he (Mr. °lt be ,0
must say that, for his part, he thought tba
nottid
seldom heard anything more shadowy and inseetslldge
than the argument of the Noble Lord. He housit
a duty of 145., and laboured to show :.;4t1,0.40
there was a duty of 14s. on Br'os
sugar, there would be a duty of 285• apd
which was the produce of foreign countries, OD
intimated that this difference was acting as fln
ilia' sof
meat to the sale of the sugars of Java and gall 1004
were liable to the duties now imposed. 11,1 We?
polled to differ from the conclusion of the .I.`eo sa
for there was nothing to prevent the sale of the 00,4
either in bond or free. 1 his he would endeavehislTo
and to prove, from the statements of the Pse :
eskje
The fact was that the sugar likely to be intr o('
this country was of two classes. These he 'v0
olt
scribe as the clayed and the Muscercido sugar!' r qa!'4
01.01
of the finer quality, and the former of the inferol
He was aware that he was not quite correct io, „ors'?
the inferior quality of foreign sugar as clayee „scl'sss
it was sufficient for the purpose. Now the dutiiptio
foreign sugar was 98.4 d., while the Noble ells!)
talking of 14s. The same terms were applied °gip trea
duce, the higher duty to the higher VI/AA
British possessions as well as from foreign 4,0105,s 01
and the lower duty to the inferior quality fro
Now, it was assumed that all the sugar introafibisl,.
Manilla—which was the largest source frele/Oiiigh
might expect to derive eur foreign suppliegto tbpftloo
that all the sugars from Manilla were subjeel sloe estssi
duty of 235. 4d. According to the intintsal7so
Noble Lord and of the Hon. Gentleman wbeLtye'soo
down, this sugar would be subject to r 1
while that from British possessions would le tse Oiskoo'
of only I4s. But here was a great mistalteloslitiod,
introduced from Manilla was not all of the gogor td
jest to the high rate of duty, nor was the oriofv4
Java. In the sugar manufactured in those ee,he k
clayed and the brown, it was the former, 'is
quality, which was best fitted for these rearltebesttls thi
the producer were inclined to send sugar of thl, titsek
and which was subject to the highest rs- the sr
country, the merchant who acted for him that
ferenee of the commodity would select off joi
was best fitted for the markets of this CO
he (Mr. Gladstone) would appeal to the e1;,5 elite
any Hon. Member of that House acquStm peal/
subject, and hs might, in this instance, lts FA
Hon. Friend the Member for Dover, as te coe'r
ness in this respect. He (Mr. Gladstone"
toy bo#
then conceive that any great injury C0,e1,0
the imposition of these duties. Complaite:
made, that the sugars of the West Ineoe'oiteelotos
risen Is. or 2s. per cwt. Now, when he reels:o:olv.,
trying circumstances through which the Prieg fer
estates in the West Indies had passed de. s eloper,
year, and the difficulties which for sersiegledis
they had endured, he must say, that he ile co ° slt,dr
ceive these grounds of prosperity ,• atm ritY, Ors;
say that he grudged them the little Prelstestee
this small advance evinced. It had been Friel's,
other objection to the measure of his Hol::eoefit esieo
if any benefit were derived from it, that ''Tee tflotootbeo
not go into the pockets of the consumer• ego st
was not whether the benefit would at act that. 31:;
pocket of the consumer, but whether he gfeseetX,
at all. It was well known, that when a the pri,
took place, the benefit invariably went t° that level
in the first instance, but who doubted hilt ised %it n;
mutely went to the consumer? He had re erotee'erea`o'i
frc m Manchester, complaining that in t 0040 *vosiole.e.
cotton which had just been made, theshgst the.be r
in the slightest degree cheaper, but 'O3 of •ee om
the 700,0001. had gone into the poel 5,0 ft
t,O
ducer. Now, he (Mr. Gladstone), didsh; pittoot Pso
prima fa,ie case of any difference in t"doobt go 1:1
the general principle, and he did nct.ossteli,es 1
the benefit of the reduction would n"2
the pocket of the consumer. The fact ley °se st•
Java sugar sent over to this coullwas, tod
for the refiner. But the fact nalitiSoe ij„est
finer wanted sugar of a lower cl
_s.
best Java sugar was sent over to HollabestA
rs
Gentleman here produced a sampled the o,ooljoes, 0
_6 ec
of exceeding whiteness.] Hon. Gentle
bleb try!
the sample which he presented, and his sottlideii!‘;o
better quality than any usually seen in, won to wid
it was unfit for the refiner, if not, in me hserall/ttattt, yV
The Noble Lord had stated that he had state aseobe
protection—a protection of Bs., and
ild bisvee'"oo
some mystical process this duty would ,et
the inconveniences of the elan of his
_, his Sill.d
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Friend. He had stated that the plan of aPoiss!ss
Friend was wasteful and extras,.ll6 the
coo ken,
his substitute would save 1
that it sycoO"lig
springing from it—(Hear, hear)—on to the ere "itl
bo
ss
such w. to 0
relieved the sugar trade, given a
and saved any loss to the revenue.
..Istas bount!tiss,
the case he thought the Noble Loryclaw,..
ovneral!ie I,od
it in strict detail, and not deal in The islool'a itse;o.
(Mr. Gladstone) however, would eV)
Noble Lord w°0,... stroll
principles to practice. The _
00 foreign love
a duty of 10s. on the British and. P6s
n or 121. tb°°
or 12s. on British or 205. on foreig
.., ye
.00,
and thus he to
co° bell'
the two kinds ofsugars;
iven to hen
es. .
of the 1,300,0001., which
was
g Friends-41370,9t
the plan of his Hight Hon.
of 12s. on,usitherioi
It might be assumed that a duty
greater fight
N.. r
20s. on foreign, would give agr fight "" year.
on British, and 235. on foreign. ss of theoneeloae
computed the whole
would
that the,
oaoulopee,
280,000 tons ; and lie woulil w
liberat
ed a very
es
300,000, which he consider or the duty coris
under the stimulus of the
(A laugh.) Then the product
000 op.
tons of Beitllio'g LlO ty
Noble Lord's phiroo ,y
increased import of 230,0001 ;
es -14 w s
at 70,000 to cw., WO 0
creased foreign import
at 205. per the/ is tO
that would yield,
12s. per cwt., would be 2,760,
300,000. together, OU, ?fir
lore, %t
pottingoathentawtPan /Hear.) of WO°
there 'rho pe
gsoivethoantl,y
4,
i 6 o:0
1,500,0001. from the revenue.—(Lor_wats
coostl o,lr
British and of 18s. on all foreign
raise the to 29 tie
position of the Noble
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stuhgeerci.ilew beoPseti°ll
00 0
from 280,0
laugh)—or ot sob- led °Op
by 10,000 tons—(a
althougu ntoo
which would cause a greater
lt,ents
Gladstone) would allow that to
ineput 91 10/1
finance or arithmetic to p
amount of reven% vat
ficiency. He would ask any gel 7,git;ql
incrho,te
and fist
Noble Lord's plan, the
owN that artste-isersse,
placed ?—(Hear, hear.)
Noble tan
was "t 'l3 idents'h'e
n of the I'ITOT tee tOr asj
c dgJl
woarsisistolerrraytitohnatftuhreth was
vow
hich
he supposed the omission oletLiot
an
Pl3°; for hiieis arji
caused an hiatus in the N b
Lord John Russell hadselid
up.—(At this moment
me laughtel.),lo,t tshesocY of
not suppose the Nob
took his seat amidst so.bie
fisaires, sleneell
shown, by incontroverla
wour, leo.° aye saci_ne
Noble Lord meant to ten, owe oele
1,290,0 e— tt., loictii;
1,560,000 L, and by anothery the
Lord's plan, by one scale,
fn the 10
on that part of the subject
few
words 3' Lr 04°0
he could not help saying a d
free-label* cilia
tion between slave-grown an
etend t° $1)1
thought that if they were to pr