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able, on their part, to make any riduetion at present.
The vote for the Caledonian Canal he had objected to
last year. It would now increase the estimates by
25,0004 With respect to the votes necessary for carry-
ing on the war in which we were new engaged, he
must say that it was not true economy to stint
the public service on that score. The better
policy was to endeavour to bring the war
to a close, but in acting upon that policy it
was necessary to take 400,0001. additional this
year. But on the whole on the votes of this year as
compared with those of last year there was a saving of
84,0001. He regretted that the Hon. Gentleman had
referred to the appropriation of the limited fund placed
at her Majesty's disposal for rewards of public services.
The sum thus appropriated was only 1,2004 a-year, and
the services rewarded from that limited fund were those
of persons who derived their claims from literary or
scientific pursuits, or from service rendered to the
person of the Queen. Those were the cases in which
pensions were granted on the advice of the Crown.
He hoped the lan. Gentleman would not object to allow
the Bill to go into Committee. The Hon. Gentlemaa
had alluded to a Committee of Supply. Now, with re-
spect to that, he had doubts whether the Treasury
was not more economical than the House of Commons or
a Committee of Supply. He trusted the House would
proceed with the Bill, which had been read a first and
second time yesterday, and which stood for committal
to -day.
Sir R. INGLIS was astonished that the Hon. Member
for Montrose had taken such an opportunity to make
a tirade against the establishment of her Majesty.
Mr. HUMS confessed that he had fallen into a mis-
take, or he should not have made the observations he
had done. He thought the motion was for going into
Committee of Supply. There was no person in the
House who would be more happy to see her
Majesty protected.—(Hear, hear.) He had known
her Majesty as well as the Right Honourable Baronet.
—(Great laughter.) And he believed that she would
not consider any proposition of the present Govern-
ment for the relief of her subjects as an impertinent or
improper interference with her comforts.
Mr. WILLIAMS was surprised to hear the imputa-
tions of the lion. Baronet, the Member for the Uni-
versity of Oxford, against himself and his Hon. Friend,
the Member for Montrose. The Hon. Baronet seemed
willing to arrogate to himself an exclusive loyalty; but he
could tell the Hon: Baronet that if her Majesty's
person or throne were in danger he should be as willing
as the Hon. Baronet could be to defend them.
Sir ROBERT PEEL deprecated any angry discussion
upon a subject in which they were all unanimous.—
(Hear.) It was manifestly the wish of every Member,
that every possible protection should be given to the
person of her Majesty. He was persuaded that the
Hon. Member for Montrose had taken the course he had
pursued merely from a misapprehensi(n.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said that he had no further obser-
vation to make upon the matter, as the lion. Member
for Montrose had acknowledged that he had fallen into
an error. He could assure the Hon. Member for Coven-
try that he did not wish to arrogate to himself any ex-
clusive loyalty.
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.
On clause 1 being proposed,
Sir F. POLLOCK proposed, instead of the words
" although the same shall not contain any explosive or
'destructive material," to insert " whether the same shall,
or shall not, contain any explosive or destructive mate-
rial." There was some doubt. what might be the effect
of the word " although."
The amendment was agreed to.
An Host. MEMBER suggested that the word " Sove-
reign" should be substituted for the word "Queen," in
order that the Bill might apply to future Sovereigns.
Sir F. POLLOCK said there was a statute passed in
the reign of Mary, by which it was enacted that the
word Queen should include "King."
The clause as amended was then agreed to.
The other clauses having been agreed to,
Sir R. PEEL said he had omitted to state yesterday,
that her Majestyq Government, after a conference with
the Law Officers of the Crown, had felt it their duty in
applying the general principles upon which justice and the
prerogative of mercy were administered, to spare the life
of the convict Francis; but although the sentence had
been commuted to transportation for life, he had
been sent to one of the penal settlements of her Majesty,
in which the labour was most severe, and in which there
was not the least opportunity of any species of indul-
gence on the part of the Governor.
The House then resumed, and the Report was brought
up, and the Bill ordered to be engrossed, to be read a
third time this evening
SUPPLY.
On the Order of the Day being read for going into a
Committee of Supply,
Lord PALMERSTON said, when the Mines and
Collieries Bill was introduced, the Right Hon. Baronet
(Sir J. Graham) stated that not only did the Bill meet
his entire approbation, but that when the Bill was
brought in it should have the warm and cordial support
of her Majesty's Government. He saw in another pace,
that yesterday, another Noble Lord, also a Member
of the Government, who held a high official si-
tuation, said that with regard to that Bill, her
Majesty's Government meant to remain passive, and
that each individual member of it was left to take what
course he pleased ; and it was evident to foresee that
that 'Member of the Government meant to give anything
but a warm and cordial support to the proposed measurq.
He wished to know how these two apparently contra -
dictory statements could be reconciled ? Or whether they
were to understand that the members of the Government
in this House were the expounders of the policy of the
Government, or Noble LOrds in another place.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he did not know onwhat foun-
dation he could rest his explanation, except the
report of what had occurred in another place. The decla-
ration he had himself made was that the principle of
the Bill met his cordial assent, not in his individual ca-
pacity, but as one of the Government, reserving to himself
and his colleagues the right of considering the details of
the measure, particularly the clause specifying the labour
of children under 13 years of age. That clause the Noble
Lord had altered on condition that the hours of work
for children under ten years should be limited. That alte-
ration he could have supported with perfect consistency.
with his pledge. He had no communication with his
Noble Colleague, as he could have done, had he had
notice of the question, but he had no doubt thathis reser-
vation applied entirely to the details of the measure.
Sir JOHN SEALE asked the Right Hon. Baronet a
question on a subject on which the whole of the south-
west coast felt great interest. It was whether the Go-
comment had made up their mind as to the port of de-
parture' for the East and West India packets.
Sir R. PEEL replied that the Government had come
to no decision on the subject, which was one of great
importance, and required further consideration. They
would not decide until they had inquired fully, and satis-
fied themselves of the relative fitness of the several
ports, both as regarded the interests of trade, and the
convenience of passengers.
Sir J. SEALS was understood to say that Dartmouth
had been recommended by the Commissioners of In-
quiry ; but he had heard that there was an intention of
selecting Southampton.
Sir R. PEEL said, there was as yet no intention re-
specting any particular port.
Ma. HAWES wished to put a question to the Right.
Hon. Baronet, relative to a notice of the Hon. Baronet
the Member for Oxford, concerning Church Extension.
They were getting towards fthe end of the Session, and
many Members were leaving town. It would be re-
collected that the Hon. Baronet said he would give
ample notice. Now, at this period of the session the
notice was not sufficent. He (Mr. Hawes) wished to know
what was the intended course of the Government with,
respect to that motion, and whether it was contemplated:
to make any grant of money?
Sir IL PEEL said he would give the Hon. Gentleman
an answer on Thursday, but he would say at once that
the Government did not intend to make any grant.
Mr. HINDLEY wished to know when the Report
on the Factory System (as we understood) would be
laid on the table.

Sir J. GRAHAM said, the Report was considerably
advanced, but he could not say the precise time when it
would be ready. It was not yet decided whether they
should lay the Report on the table without the evidence
taken, or wait tilt it was complete.
Lord PALMERSTON wished to know whether the
Commissioners appointed to determine the North Ame-
rican boundary, had made any further 'report. Perhaps:
the Right Hon. Baronet might inform him to-morrow.
Sir E. PEEL was understood to say that he would.
SUPPLY.
The Order of the Day- having been read that the
House should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply,
Mr. WILLIA.MS said, that in rising to address the
House on the subject of the proposed supplies, he had no
wish to offer any factious Opposition to the Government.
There was evidence of the decline of the country, and
they ought to look about them to see how it could be
best relieved. The country was much worse now than
it was this time last year, and distress was fast spreading
amongst classes where it did not appear before. Foreign
competition was also on the increase, and they should
look around them and try to reduce every item in their
expenditure. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by saying
that the services of certain clerks in the Treasury were
not sufficient to entitle them to the remuneration they
received.

After a short conversation between the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, Lord Palmerston, and Mr. Vernon
Smith, in vindication of the practice of allowing
retiringhe
pensions to officers engaged in the public service,
Hthoeueshealir'ent into Committee of Supply, Mr. GREENE in.
.
Sir R. PEEL then moved that a sum of 33,1101. should
be granted to defray the expenses of the British Museum.
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throwingt heT Trustees
had
the library to the public?
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Mr. lIUME thought as the public money had been
stepsvish wished
for t ot
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expended in the erection of the building they ought to
have admission.
Sir B. INGLIS observed that it had been found
im-
practicable to admit the public without distinction, witti
a due regard to the preservation of the books. The
Hon. Member for Montrose, however, must know that
every facility was given to those to whom it was neces-
sary to attend them.
Mr. GALLY KNIGHT believed it would be.impos-
sible to make out the catalogue of the books properly if
the public were indiscriminately admitted.
Dr. BOWRING said he wished to suggest the pro-
priety of having a class catalogue. The matter had
often been
pressed upon the attention of trustees, and it
was clear that such a catalogue would afford greater as-
sistance to students.
Mr. EWART said he would take that opportunity of
suggestinc, the propriety of opening the library in the
evening suggesting
the working classes.---(" No, no.") In the
great library of Paris, which was opened every evening,
not the least inconvenience resulted from it.
Mr. HUME said as they were now voting 300000/.
to this institution, he wished to say one or two wore is in