The Sun.
London, England, 1820-10-19 00:00:00

'Where did Vunic-a-rti liye ?—ne lives now in
the Rue Gabello.
Does he now live in the same street he did:
when you first went ?—No, not in thi! saruV.
street ; lie first lived in the street uga.;~Bella. It
was in a lane. ; •

Where did Colonel Brown live ?----Beyond the
Bridge at the Eastern gate.
• To-what subject did the papers relate which
you tookrto Vimicarti ?
The Sommott-GI•IERAL once more requested
that the question might be put in a more definite
manner. •

Does the witness.know that the papers which
he took to Vimic.arti related to the examinations
at Wiilan ?----Some of them.
State which of them he knew ?—One of them
related to the deposition of the Fermne (le
ehambre, who had been to Vienna with Sacchi—
, (Witness was stopped in, his answer. by I.llr
WILDE.)
I tnerely Want to know, to what subject the pa-
pers related ?—They were' letters.
_ Were there anrexaminations of witnesses ?

'Not, amongst the letters ; they Were letters o
her- Royal llighnessy the. Baron Bergaini, and o
others.

Were there beside the letters any depositions
or statements of evidence of witnesses ?-7-Yhere

. . .
was not. - .
What other papers were there besides letters?
.There were soole answers of the AdvOcate Ca-
daz.zi to Bergami. .
"Answers to what ?----Answers of Cadazzi to

Bergami.
,Were there Sny other papers •
Do you know to.what subject these letters're,,
lated .'---Sorne of them.. .
State ?-L-One of. them was from Bergami, who

JIIr.IVILDE.—I only Ilant to know to wl

subject they related, generally: To what subject
did they relate''—One was of Bergami, who said
that he would not. return to Milan till he saw
that those who went before without shoes should
not again be without them.
Thq last question and answer, with the con-
currence of Air. DLNAI were struck out of the

minutes.
State the subject, and not the contents of
the letters 'Advocate Vimacirti told me
to bring those letters Which treated of the dep6-
sitions---„that is, those letters which desired some-
body to come:and give evidence.,
Did he in point of fact carry any letters on
that subject to Vimicarti ?—Letters, not papeis.
bo you' know a man of the name of Riganti ?

Riganti ever rnake any' application to you
about papers-"?-=The has been at my
_house, and
did apply to me.
• 'Had you any 'communication with Vimicarti
reSpecting Riganti's' application for paperS?---;
I had.
.What did' Vimicarti say on the subject of Ri-
ganti's application for papers ?-1 sail I knew
not-Itiganti, and I asked Vimicarti who he was ;
'and 'he told me' lie was a person of condition, and
that I should• give him'any thing.
What was the arflication that Riganti made
to witness resperting papers.?—He said, if I gave
them to him-he would give him i‘ great deal of
.
money. - ' •
What papers did you give to him ?-7-Papers
respecting the affairs Of her Royal Highness:
What'affairS of her Royal Higimess ?—Those
now pending in England. •
What object did they relate to ?--Ife told me
nothing else. '4
Did Riganti know in whose einpld.yment you
were ?—lle-knew fit, for he came to my hour.
The Secretary of Cadarti came to look after me.
Did Vimicarti`" Fay any thing' more abotit the
employment 'of Riganti?—He told me" `trtat he
was a person of character ; he told mei no-
thing else. t.
Cross-examiired by the SOLICITOFt-GENERA
Q. How late; w'ete- you. -in the service of Ca-
dazzi ?—A. year-and a half.
Were you his Clerk at that time ?—Always.
„Down to' the present time to the 27th
of. July. •

Then on the 27th of July Cadazzi turned you
out of his service ? •

`l►,•. WrriDE objected that this was assuming-
whaft the witness had not stated.
frell, did he •tum you out'of his service ?
Ili: did. -
Have you ever been in his employment since ?
—No.

Do you mean to swear, that from the 9.7 th of
July, down to-the present time, you have never
been in the ernploy of Cadazzi can swear it
a thousand times

With whom did you come over here ?—Witl
Count Vagsali. • - • •

Were you alone,' -or was there auy body else ?
—There was anotlli person.
Who ?t,--A -certain Bassalo Majori.
. Did yob enter the service of Count Vassali ?—No.
Did• you not come over R s the servant of Count
Vassal.; am not in the service of Count
Vassali.- • • • • -

I ask you, if .you did not come over in the aa-
tacter of servant., to Vassali ?—No ; he hid a
servant.

• -• .Did yon•ne*er represent yourself, on any oc-
casipn, as the servant of Vassali never.
• .Did Count Vassali neve/ re.present you to, be
his servant, in -your presence?-;--Neyer.
When was it that you first went to the Advo.
caite, Vimicarti•?:—September of last year.
t ;antyou tell. us the day pf • the month ?—I
don't know the day.
'l\'ll us about•the time ?-1' t was towards the
end of the month. •
bid, you go to VimiCarti before ?—I
Did
-You go to Vimicarti of • yoar own accord,
or what made you go to him ?—The employer
with wliom I was before had some . money due .
to. him.

.1 ask whether you went of your own accord,
or what induced you to go there ?—There was
a po
urged me twice to go, and
.then
he
tookerso it i
me
himselfi there.

` Did that person tell you what yoti Were to go
to Vimicarti for ?--Ile told me that I ought to
•
go; because lie wanted to speak to me, and I
shouldbe.rn4de a gentle Tan of if Iwent.
Did': he tell you how yon Nitt.fit tool* made a
gentlernanlle told .rise so ninli—no more-
-, to go, and he would_tikke me. yc
_
• D-41 yon kolow at tliiktime tlyallkVirnicarti,vvai!
employettiu the .pi.o?eli about her 111410tf.?,-
When 1 went I knew it,
Do you mean that you did ..not know so till
you saw Vimicarti ?--I knew not.
At the time you-saw the person, who asked you
to go to Vimicarti'?—What
At the time that person spoke to you did you
know. that Vimitarti was employed in the pro-
.cess of her Royal igliness knew it,
Was your master Cadazzi employed At that
time for her Royal highness ?-L-He was not em-
ployed iii the affairs of her Royal highness in
england, but in those of Italy.. .
'Did you know Cadazzi was in possession of
papers of her Royal Highness hadt them in
:my own desk.
Did you not, as an honest man, communicate
this request to go to Vimicarti's, to
.your mas
ter ?--No. •
'Did you not conceive it your duty to do so ?
I thought at the time 'that I could do no harm.
•Do you mean to say that there was no harm ih
delivering to Vimicarti, the letters, Tapers, and
other documents you have mentioned ?--Docu-
merits I did not give ; 1 gave Letters.
Well, that there was no harm in`handing over
letters to V;micarti, without the consent of your
master, Cadazzi ?—Yes, 1 thought. it would do
no I/ann. • .
Did you think it your duty to tell your Master
that lie,might judge whether there was-no harm?
I thought it was my duty, but I..neglected it.
Now, pray tell us , who the person .-was
_who •
called upon you twice to go to Vimicarti ?—I
don't know the person, if I did, I, would tell.
Tell us where you met him the first time ?:—ln
the-street of St. Victoire, near the Theatre.
Did you meet him by accident ?-44.nccident ;
I did not know him, nor do I know him; he stop-
ped 'me.
Did you not ask him• his name, or who he was?
—I did ask him, but he told 'me it was no' busi-
ness o'f miiie to know that. '
Where -was it you saw him the second time ?
Wcimere I had met him- before: •
-Did you meet him also by accident the second
time ?:---Yes.
IVas it at the same how' of time day as on the
first occasion ?—Yes, I was coming. from the
Office.

Did he repeat the, same queskion he had asked
you the first time ?—He asked me whether I had
thought on what he had told me-the day before.
What was your answer ?—That I had thought
Upon it, but would not do it.
Did you meet him a third time ?—No; I went
to Vimicarti's.
So, after tellipg him you would not go, you
did go to Vimicarti's?---Yes.
Did you ask his namelhe second time you saw
him ?----I did ; but he would not tell me.
Did. you go.alone;_or with Wm ?-4-le took me
as far as Vimicarti's door.
Have you ever seen him since ?—Yes, once ;
but I could.not see him in theluce.
Had you no curiosity to see b'is face ?—Yes.
Did-you Follow him lo gratify that curiosity?—
Yes.
- `Where?—To the door of Vimicarti.
Was he young or 01d..?-He was middle aged.
Was he of a .light, or dark comp lexion ?—Dark,
black:

. Was he stout or how ?—A little stout.
- How was he dressed ?-4 am not a painter to
draw his picttire.
I ask you in what ciothes he was dressed ?—I
don't 'remember. He was in a coat, but I don't
remember the colour of it.
Has any body told you to be careful not to say
Not mi ricordo ?—(A laugh.)—[ have heard it
said about the town, and I a iked the meaning of, it.
Has'not Count Vassali told you to be particu-
larly careful not to say Non. mi ricordo ?—No,
has nobody told you ratl?et to say Non so,_
than Non mi ricordo know it by myself,
without being- told by any body.
Did
,Vimicarti pay, you any thing for the pa-
pers you delivered the first time gave me
three double golden N apoleons, and told me they.
.were for me to take a chocOlate.
• 'When did you take the second papers ?—Af-
ter September.
"HoW soon after 'you took the first papers did
you take the second Three or four days.
What did he-pay you for the second parcel you
gave him'—Four single .1-apoleons.
Were you sent for ?—,No; I -went of my own
accord.
When did you carry the third parcel ?---In
October.

At w hat pars of October ?—I do not remem-
ber if it was the beginui'Ag, the middle, or the end.
1\ hen you took the third parcel, what did he
pay' you ?—ile paid /up for them at' another time.
When did you ca cry the fourth -parcel ?-4
caried a paper as far is the end of November. '

_ . . . .
.But the fourth tiuip ?—i do not, reme:mber if it
was in October or ).;vember.
Did you carry many papers ?—Some
Having carried paper 3 for so..lang a Feripd,
and having been paid; by -Vimicitrti, did you ever
communicate the ciricumstance to Cadazzi ?----/
never said any thing ,to Cadazzi. -
Do You mean to say, that: from the month of:
September to July, (!adazzi never spoke to you
about these papers Never.
Did lie never miss ;my of these papers ?--No.
Did he never .ask.;ror them
,on. any occasion I.
--No.

Were you a confidential clerk of Cadazzi ? You
say these papers were in your custody 2.---Yes.
Did you not think you acted a most villainous
part in, taking thes,e mers ?—Not in the be-
ginning.
how loug was it before this light broke in upon
your uPderstanding ?
•
*Mr. DENMAN suggested, for the sake of regu

. . , The
, - iarity,- that the question should trot- be pit. -
, Learned Counsel had assumed, what did 110t:erp ,
pear to have been stated, that a light-had br°
in:upon. his understanding .---(A- laugh.) , , and
',. Q. When did yon discover that this conduct was b35!a,)
' infinoihs ?.--.A. About the beginning of this year.,--4A 1.10
• W• ,t it A discovery of your own that yuur conduct ceartia,e
and it Snout, or were you told so by aopthel person. •••••!_ i.e.,
!are many 'olio actlaasela• and infaniiiast, and afterward!
"pettes, atirl to kareal.-(Liughter.),,, NI
• ! Then hittir?g dishvered at ale commencement of th.e,,Yofl
that your conduct was base and infamcns, did yoti 001 that
it your duty to discover to yOur waster ?—I -thought it r,,
to be silent.—(A laugh:)e
I now ask you whether you did not think that.theles t tbitts
meaty
you could' do, as thelait of your repentance, was to
• it to Cadazzi ?—I could nut foresee all these things. oU
Now,- you told us itavas aboht the benning of the Yea.
repented—when was it you carried Sitelast parcel to v' 0,
carti ?—I do not remember whether it. was the end of Noe
.
her, or the beginning of December. t
• ill'
• Then did you carry no parcel after that time to Vinuct
Before I swear I would wish to• think a little.—(A laug"'vyel
In July, when I went to ask the name of a person who c 3 ,ho
' Upou me at my house,` he asked toe for a list of persons ".!
came-infavour of-the Queen; and I gave hint the list; ! that
Did you call on Vimicarti in July I—les ; to tell 110
a person called.
• t'
Wai-it the same person you -met by accident in the 5 tfee40
that called on you ?—.No; I don't know that person; he "
called apon. me was iganti.
.• . , . . .
• Did you give up the papers at that time ?—I gave.hin'lll'
list of the persons that were.going t se out. c
Was this a list of the. witness so
on, , behalf of her P.°,al
Higness ?—Not
Mrh D . ENMANa apprehenllded Olt as his Learned erlo,,ot
0.
was examining to the contents of a written.document, `,,,
that document ought to be produced, in preference, to cb
o.
lug the memory of the witness. !
~
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he had no more 111;
tions to ask relative to the contents of these papers; lb
..
,
was therefore oo necessity furprodifeing them. Ca'
. .SOLICITOR"-GENER.-Cl---.42. awn you did not tel
dazzi that you had given ibis list ?•—A. 1 did nut aril hitn' pi
I Then after you re rented you Wive this list, in the wool? if
Jitty•-?aaftrey Were five-Or six,"rwrote to them. I gave the
names mvseff. . .
Did, Vithicarti pay !;aitt f;,r that intelligence ?—No. 1 '511,,t
his this list, to find out who was the pe,, soa wh• cane'''. -
o cane'''.
my house.
Did Riganti pay you ?.--4 gave this list to Vimicarti. rte?
'How long after you had 'given' this' list Aid 'our ma'
know of it ?—On the same day-that 1-told h to liii.Ativt'c-,
' Cadazzi I give this list to ViMicarti. , ;! 60
. , Now, with the exception bf the list, did you give
,an!!"'
pets to-Vimicarti after December. 1819 ?.-1.,0. • ~
- . Will he swear this ?—I will swear it a thousand time•••,k;,..
•'! Did he offer any hopes to Vimicatti after-that time ?---L.`;
• Yheti was it that Alinocarti gaee hnt i Ilia-money ?--11.11;
the card of March in this-year, when Col. Brown -scorfor ;
How long before
,was it when you received any -Irt)°, ,
from Vinicarti ?-7-in the .end of November. . - - ' to,
, ! So I ant to understand that froin the.end, of Novembee7,,,,,
the end of March, you received, no unntry from Viiniciati • •
Nothing.
Will be swear that ?—I would swear it a thousand lidte7of
' What sum did he'last receive from liimicarti at the end °f.
•
March ?—Fifty-two hives and- a .half of Milan,.
You are quite sure that it was in 1 lo• eird'of March ?-1:.°:,
, Hare you never stated that you received money from Vo';.•
carti for papep.io this year ?—No; I never took any.
bat
et I ask hint:whher he ever! stated that he did e—t ba
.
never stated so., . • stated that , .
Will you swear that you never did ?—I will. .
i Asichlurtnetlier he ever caPrlTii—Colonel Brown, wilt, rf
bundle of papers ?—I had two or three letters, to make ti'!'e
known..., ,
. • •
:When you called on Colonel Brown, did you not ask 1,1°1...
hi m was one of. the Milan Com issiooers, appointed to inatill'if
et!
into.the conduct of her Royal Highness?—t knew that'
wits one of them. i,--1
I ask, did lie introduce himself by ''asking the quistion. -
. called on hint and took out those letters.
wat I ask bito,,when-he delivered those letters to Col. Bro ii,
did. he not ask that Gentleman whethet! he was one of .i..,
•Cointaiiiioners to.iriqUire into the conduct of her Royal Vq:;,
ness!?-1 showed him those letters Sr.' make 'myself 10,"'l
and itiade'a complaint against Viinicarti,'who had seduced wee
andpaid me so tittle. ' -
I ask him -again-, did he not -ask Colonel Brown if he %,`-','r
one of the Commissioners to iniptiae into. the 'conduct o'4'
Royal Highness ?—I did so,-but'l knew Slat he-was one., 1
• Did not Colonel Brown •ask you who sant were ?-I"''',,e
~n,l2YlsS,aeslakfil:ldtniriEisivsilbil,e,yit!tiliiaieeYrsistn‘lrleillf:tll6.ls.elil:c.A.Bret"isnvfitidtclinitt initoltelarsikk!l(tittnt n4:,-1,11i!
to • AO 'so, whether C°1"1; a.
.Brown did not shut the dot-ir; and said he wirold not let bird
leave the house until Ise told birn.who he was ?-1 swear it '-
not tier:
1 ask him whether-he did not tell him that he is-as a 0'4.:
dential clerk of Cadazzi, and that Colonel Brown said lie ~c'i;
a most infanmas scoundrel, and that be Would end in lg°
hanged ?—l never said so. • • - • - bat
'flint is :nu-answer'. The question is not what you,
what COlnnel Brown said. -
ve
Question repeated,?-4 repeat again. it is not trite he ral
~,,
rti, the, letters; and Colonel Brown shut the door of the ro.'"t...
arid told me not •to speak sti, loud, fur we stolid,' be he,'ll,l
:arid he told toe to call next day -on Vinticarti,-and he *.v"..,
ctfuse me to receive 9.00 francs ; and lie told me nothing e' to
but that: Vimicarti-was a• person of condition, -and he se°'
keep •Itis• promise. -.- ' , . .. .• . • ' • ! •
tda
-Did he-not, when he shut the door, tell you that you sh°,lo
not gtrout till yoa told him who you were-?—He is it liar if., •
sayaso•-••••(Latiglting.) ;
n
o'
Dial not Colonel Brown -say that you were a most infan? pa
fellow fit- that-meeiing ?—I hare repeatedly made answer
did-riot say sot Of
Did lie• Say you would end by being hanged?—He ne ,
said so, I swear. • abf
Any thing to that effect I—Nit; for I liave been seduce
ilwm, and they are more infamous than I. Ited
Did ;you call on Colonel Brown more than once ?—lac
-tire, first time in the morning, be wad not at home; 1-o'.
-after dinner, and saw him. „ •
Did you sere him mote than once?..--Many times at Zia"'
• 'At his own house ?—Only once at his own house.
When was that ?—ln March, 1820. ' ' „of
Whatwere the papers.you carried to Vitnicarti ?—'s,e-
three letters. .. .
tell
When you called the .first time on! Vimicarti, did yo",

srvhoyou,were e knew me.
r
lciDid,not Vimicarti ask .you, who you were, and did Y°' 0
r.-fuse to tell him?—lie did not ask me, for he knew we ‘O7

he saw me, because a person tool; me to his door.
Did you not refuse to tell Vimicarti who you were, I •,
you ?—No, 1.1,141-not. - - •
Did you nut then live in. the Terrace Porto Tozo?--S
then.
. Where slid you live at Milan ?-011 the Terrace Contrao
Larva. .

Is that the place where Lazatto lived ?—No.
Did you ',ever live with Lazat to ?—Yes, I live now with 11.1
When did you first live with hint ?—Since the 49til
September, last year.

Have you lived there ever since?—Yes.
thy ' Do 'you consider .it infamous to say upon your oat-' ot
which is hntrue I •Ynti have already stated that for
three months you did not consider it infamous to betray "•
coMnfidence of your ast:cr.?
r. DPNKAN objemcteil to this question. The stateme,oy!:
the question was not what the wttne.s ste tea..lt

Learned Friend's conclusion frnm.the statement. tds
- The LORI) CIiA:•CELLOR said, that the very
should be ineorporat, d itttile question, and not any arguiu
tative conclusion frot,i them.
.)
Ora
The SOLICITOR. will alter the questi°o.4.
1-Itiviroz. said that ;at the Itegilining of the year yo',
,10-
,113cov,reci that yore conduct in betraying. your nlaste S
dent, ill fa ; I ask curt if yon think it ittir
speak 'on Four ty.t ii t hat which Is untrue?—To swear the
is just ; what is.' true i s'atear,and-w1,41 I have saitl'l ant rca
to.swear.

Did you ropmen.cate these fact; to your rd',ster of
own accord ?;—Yes.

wiren .?—f 271 b of July. .
Do you nwan to swear thot he dismissed ~au jowly
onemtnnoit'.eatior thesef.cts to biro

With wlyom haver yon lived since ?—I anVin trade.
, What !ride ?-1 boy and sell woollen ctp tits for dresses'
Did you -ever carry on that business hefore ?—Yes. . •
Will yutt• swear•vou have no expect tion of returnili be
the servil e of your farmer master whee. this business 51°
over ?—;T es ; I will.
Who I,rought yon over here ?—Vrissali.
What are you to - have for this ?—I shall receive nut
I come ,bere to remedy my error, Coy mi,cominct. '
You swear that you expect no pompensat ion '—:S7(), had Oc..
Then you were very thiserahld at the mischief you
casionvd ? (No answer.) • i 1111 wre •
%VOA you swear that you have-had no promise to '-;,: ,i;;•
tv:ll swear .no person bias pionnsed me atnY " )-.00
And that you came here entirely and only .to pottod9
errors ?—''es.—And for no ni,iter reason?--No citb:r