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sidered ; and the result is, that I never will give my con-
sent either to a Roman Catholic Peer sittiog in this House,
or to a Roman Catholic Member sitting in the other 1.1°114.,
or to any Roman Catholic being it. StitqTitel• n!' the Crown'
or tsl,a Rere.t" Crittioi',c Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, or to
any timan Catholic holding any office'that miy cive him
power to injure the Established church."—There are
worse things between he even and earth, which men dream
not of in Parliamentary speeches, than the injury to Es-
tablished Churches, or even the rape of tithes, and there
are more incestuous rnlltures than the Onion of Catholic
and Protestant lteetht-en. The categoiiet of objection to
itotniin Catholic Peers, Member's, &c. it Miniciiisly bor-
rowed by this illitstrions examPlc froth the ipeceh of a
Peer in that very the olden no-Popety days, de-
ptecating the &dente of a Popish dog, or a Popish bitch,
or a Popish cat, within the walls of Parliament. Lord
Eldon, rather unkindly, rose to disavow participation in
such extreme noodleisms, and soon after a question of order
arose, when the Noble Lords instantly took leave of the
subject that bad occupied their minds, and entered vehe-
mently into the important discussion of regular or irregu-
lar. What ch:ldren

male acquainted with the nature of the Bill about to be
introduced. He should adapt that course, and be guided
id Lis conduct by the provisions of the Bill.
Admiral EVANS presented a petition from Donneray,
in the county of Cork, against the Catholics.
Mr. H. MAXWELL presented similar petitions from
Castlelion, and another parish, in the county Cork,
praying for the suppression of the Catholic Association ;
also similar petitions from Armagh and other parishes.
Mr. I. ATOUCHE presented a petition from several
parishes in the county Kildare, in favour of the Catholics.
Mr. MIDDLETON presented a petition from Clifton,
Staffoillabire, against the Catholics.
Mr. DUNCOMBE presented similar petitions from the
parish of Helmsly and twa other parishes.
Mr. WEBB presented a petition from the Deanery of
Gloucester.
Mr. 13. COOPER st,'ed that he was desired to give
this petition his ►upport. It was within the precincts of
the rural Deanery of Gloucester that the spot was situate,
where the unfortunate Bishop Hooper was martyred, and
the blood cried from the ground, exciting them to resist
any innovation on the Protestant Constitution. To pre-
vent the political power of a church, whose ministers had
been guilty of such a barbarous murder, whose creed was
still unchanged, and whose opposition was as dangereus
as ever. _ .

SECOND EDITION.
SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock.

Mr. HOBHOUSE, with all due respect to the Hon.
Member for Gloucester, and for the rural deanerv—(a
laugh)—wondered that having made themselves so well
acquainted with the times in which Bishop Hooper was
murdered, that they had not made themselves a little better
acquainted with what had taken place in their own county.
He meant the proceedings which had been before the
House. The Hon. Member for Gloucester had called on
the House to remember that these claims had been formerly
rejected, but he must also recollect that they had been as
repeatedly answered. The petitioners were not bound to
agree with the decision of the House, but they were bound,
before petitionineParliament to knoww hat were itsdecisions.
Mr. ESTCOURT said that in later times the ques-
tion had been carried u well as the Roman Catholics could
wish. He meant the question whether a Committee should
be appointed to take the Claims into consideration, as be
considered that the Claims had never been before the House,
but merely whether they should take them into considera-
tion. It did not follow that if the House went into Com-
mittee they would be tibliged to grant the Claims.
Dr. PI lILLIMORE could not let this petition be read
without saying a few words. He must protest against
such expressions as shedding the blood of martyrs being in-
troduced. No doubt, in ancient days, the rural Deanery of
Gloucester had been the scene of bloodshed, but was there
any danger now to be apprehended for giving to
Roman Catholics their just rights ; he was a most staunch
supporter of the Protestant religion, and who would say
that by supporting Emancipation they were endangering
that religion they were called upon to protect for not
one of the supporters would for a moment allow
of Any innovation. At the time of the Revolution,
it never was contemplated to exclude Roman Catholics
from that House.—(Hear, hear.) He could assure Hon.
Members that his Majesty's Ministers had no intention to
change the Protestant Constitution ; those who had fears
on that head he (Dr. P.) should be ready to meet and try
to remove, when the proper time arrived for discussing the
measure. - _ _

M PE RIA L PARLIAMENT

THIS EVENING.

ROUSE OF LORDS.

The Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at a few minutes before five o'clock.
Lord KING presented a petition from Ynughall, in the
county of Cork, against the Subletting and Vestry Acts.
Lord ROLLE, in presenting a petition from the Free-
holders, Magistrates, and Cie! gy of Devon, observed, th
he did lin itt consequence of one of the most respectable
meetings ever held in that county. The petition was signed
by upwards of twenty-six thousand persons, praying that
their Lordships would preserve the Coustitution of the coon-
try inviolate, as established at the glorious Constitution of
I fiS& Tbe prayer of the petition was entirely consonant
with those feelings which he had ever held, and which
he trusted he ever should hold. He (Lord Rolle) could
not but lament the alteration which bad taken place in the
opinion of his Majesty's Ministers. He trusted that peti-
tions from every part would crowd the table of their Lord-
ships House. His opinion with respect to the Catholics
had not changed, and never would.
Lord KING observed that the noble Lord had stated,
that the resolution for this petition was passed at one of
the most numerous meetings, but he had forgotten to add,
it w IR one of the most disorderly.
Lord ROLLE would venture to say there never was a
!nesting in any county, where every thing attending
it had been so consistently performed, or where there was
more attention to every thing likely to quell tumult and
support the Constitution.
Lord KING observed, that perhaps the Noble Lord
might think-it right that clergymen, being present at the
meeting, should hold up their hands in order to give the
word Which way parties were to vote.
Lord ROLLE explained.
The Bishop of EXETER could bear witness to the re-
gnlarity of this meeting. He should hold himself ex-
tremely culpable, if he allowed the Noble Lord (King) to
state that Clergymen of his diocese had behaved
themselves improperly at this meeting, and had not a few
words to address to the House upon that subject, tio far
from the Rev. Gentleman. to whom the Noble Lord had al-
luded, having put himself forward. Upon the occasion
he had taken no part whateverlin the business, till he
came forward to speak upon the question, a question which
the Noble Prelate thought any clergyman was justified in
giving his opinion upon.
Lord REDESDALE observed that what was uttered by
a Noble Lord, even if true, had not been expressed with
respect. There were certain persons who would endeavour
to prevent any public meeting, and he was sorry to
say, there bad been such persona at Exeter. One, lie knew,
was a Catholic clergyman ; any attempt to cry down the
Church of England was extremely painful, and when the
subject came more fully before the House, he (Lord Redes-
dale) would have to state circumstances which would bear
out all the opinions that he now entertained.
Lord ROLLE stated, that the reasons why Protes-
tants did not reside in Ireland was, because they
could not enjoy their property. If the Protestants
were defeated in this House, he would go the church
with his petition, and would certainly tell Majesty that
be would not by any means discharge his duty
if be granted Emancipation. If that Royal individual does
not act consistently with his Coronation oath, I
shall say that the matt who advice@ him not to act
consistently with it, is not discharging his duty to his
God nor his country. The Noble Lord then presented
a petition from the M iyor and Corporation of Exeter. He
observed, that the petitioners considered this a Protestant
country, and were determined to defend it.
Lord KING observed, that he did not want to fight
with the boors of Exeter.—(A laugh.)
Lord DE DUNSTAVILLE presented a petition from
Cornwall, in favour of the Catholic Claims. Ile believed
that the county was in favor of it, as well as himself. He
believed, however, that the clergymen were for the most
part against it.
The Bishop of GLOCESTER presented several peti-
tions again-t the Catholic Claims.
The Bishop of (AMER presented a petition from
in Chester, as well as one from Richmond in Yorkshire.
The latter prayed that if it were deemed really necessary'
to grant political power to the 'Roman Catholics, ample
provision would be made to render the Protestant Church
secure, and if the measure passed at all, the Right Rev.
Prelate was of opinion the prayer was forestalled.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented a petition
is favour of the Catholic Claims. The Noble Marquis
expressed himself decidedly hostile to the Catholic Associa-
tion. Emancipation was not the object of this Association,
but Radical Reform, and it was them and the Brunswick
Clubs that had kept that country in its present state of
effervescence. He hailed st ith the greatest satisfaction tke
passing of the proposed measure, though at no period had
the Roman Catholics been to re undeserving of the boon
now about to he conferred upon them than at this mo
ment._(Laughter.) Surprised was he to find that thi-
great measure was brought forward by those very indivis
duals who had been so long and so hostilely opposed to it_
The Noble Marquis bad visited the city and county o
Londonderry lately, and found, he might say, one universal
desire prevailed that the measure should pass. The
whole empire agreed that the country could not go on as
it was, therefore why should a change not take place? If
the Catholics, after they got:into power, attempted to disturb
the Protestant Church or Institutions, it was to be remem-
bered that there was energy and feeling sufficient in this
country at once to suppress any undue exercise of Catholic
a mbition.
The Duke of CLARENCE highlp eulogised the Noble
Duke for bringing forward the measure, and pledged
himself in a speech of considerable length to support to
the utmost of his power the Noble Duke and his
Colleague@ on every step calculated relieve the Roman Ca-
tholics front their present degradation, and to bring forward
eight millions of persons to act in unison with the rest of
his Majesty's subjects.
(LEFT SITTING.)

Sir E. KNATCHBULL would only make one observa-
tion on what had passed, which was, that if the House had
often approved of concessions to the Catholics, they had
likewise very often rejected any such measure.—(Hear.)
Mr. I3RANSBY COOPER would still contend that it
was right and proper for the petitioners to state the grounds
on which they petitioned that House; and in doing so,
those important facts in the history of this country
ought not to be forgotten, it was the most important crea-
tion the House was ever called upon to decide.
The petition was then brought up and read.
General KING presented a petition from a parish in the
county of Mayo, against any further confessions to the
Roman Catholics.
Mr. W. WTATKINS WYNNE presented a petition
from the Royal Denbighshire Rifle Corps, praying the
House to take their present situation into consideration.
Mr. WILLIAMS presented a similar petition from the
Anglesea regiment of Militia.
Lord BECTIVE presented a petition from the inhabi-
tants of Castledown, in the county of Meath, in favour of
concessions to the Roman Catholics; and another petition
from the same place against the Sub-lettng Act ; also a
similar petition from another place in the same county.
Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition against Catholic
Emancipation from a village in the county of Sussex.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY moved for returns of all causes
entered for trial i❑ his Majesty's Courts of King's Bench,
'Common Pleas, and Exchequer, at Westminster, during
the past year, with the:amount of the verdicts obtained
also for the amount of ail monies expended in the Building
of New Churches; also for returns of all sums of money
given in Charitable Donations for the same period.
Mr. CAMPBELL presented a petition from a parish
in the city of Glasgow, against any further concessions to
the Roman Catholics.
Mr. J. 'WOOD presented a petition from the Protestant
Dissenters of Paradise-street Chapel, Liverpool.
General GASCOYNE moved that returns be laid be-
fore the I-louse of the number and tonnage of all ships and
vessels belonging to this country navigated by steam ; and
also of the number and tonnage of all ships and vessels
now building. in any of the ports of Great Britain, intended
to be navigated by steam.
Mr. SYKES presented a petition from the inhabitant
householders and shopkeepers of Kingston. upon-Hull,
against the Receipt Tax, and another against tin House
Tax.
Mr. BARING moved for returns relative to the ex-
pences of printing the Nautical Minitrack, and the cx-
pences of the Board of Longitude.—Ordered.
Mr. QUINTIN DICK presented a petition from the
parish of St. George, Dublin, against the Roman Catholic
Mr. BERNAL moved for several returns relative to the
Tr in i ty- house.
Mr. JEPHSON presented a petition from Whiteehurch,
Cork, against the Select Vestry Act.
Mr. BROWNLOW presented several petitions from
places in the counties of Armagh, Tyrone, Antrim, Derry,
and Cavan, in favour of the Catholic Claims.
The SPEAKER wished, before any other buniness were
entered upon, to inform the House that pursuant to the
recommendation of two Select Committees appointed in
1825 and 1826, indexes were in preparation of the pro-
ceedings of the whole House, together with reports and ac-
counts from the period of the Union with Ireland in 1801
'to the year 1826.
The CHANCELLOR of the E XCHEQUER spoke in
commendation of the measure.
The SPEAKER added that a plan had been prepared
for filling up the drop links in the historical proceedings of
the whole House, by putting on the Journals proceedings
in Select Committees, incorporated with the proceedings
of the, whole House. This he merely threw out as a sug-
gestion well worthy of consideration.
SUPPLY.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Order of the Day for bringing up the Report of the
Dominittee of Supply.
Mr. O'NEILL wished ,to ask the Bight Hon. Gentle-
man if any step had been taken towards the abandonment
of Sierra Leon', a ptice which was more fit for the trans-
portatioa of criminals than the eitablishment of a colony,
Sir G. .MURII AY said that he had received no intima-
tion that this question would be put to him, but he had no
objection tosanswir it. He was not aware that there was
any immediate intention of abandoning that colony, but
steps had been taken to reduce its expenses with a view to
its ultimate abandonment, hut th tt was a step which it
would be very injudicious to carry a'iruptly into effect.
Mr. HUME said, that from the understanding which
existed list Session he did expect that something would
be done respecting this colony. But for this understanding he
would have brought forward a motion upon the subject,
for the colony of Siera Leone had been the tomb of more
Englishmen than all our other colonies together. Gover
nor after governor, and corps after corps, was swept away,
and it was necessary to send out the various officers in tri-
plicate to supply the horrible mortality. He regretted the
answer which had been given, and if no one else would
bt ing forward a motion on the subject, he would do so
himself.
Sir G. MURRAY said that he had merely stated the
difficulties of carrying such a matter into execution.
Mr. HUSKISSON made some observations, few of
were audible. but we understood him to contend, that it
was by no means so easy after going a certoin extent to
retrace their steps, as it was to make a speech about it in
that House. The numbers of the garison had been re-
duced, and other steps had been taken with a view to its
futu re abandon ment.
Lord NUGENT made a few observations, which were

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. SHIRLEY presented four petitions from places in
the county of Monaghan against concessions to the Catholics.
Mr. J. BROWN presented two petitions from West-
port and another place in the county of Mayo in favour of
Catholic Emancipation.
Mr. BELL presented a petition against concessions to
the Catholics, frost the Clergy of Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
Sir J. LOWTHER presented four similar petitions
from places in Cumberland.
Sir G. FEATHERSTONE presented similar petitions
from Ballynalion and Grtnard.
Mr. B. CLARKE presented a petition in favour of the
Catholics from Castleconner.
Colonel ROCHFORT presented a petition against fur-
ther concessions from the Protestants of Pallas Kenny in
t! e eounty of Limerick.
Admiral HARVEY presented four petitions against Ca -
th dic concessions from places in the county of Essex.
Sir M. SOMERVILLE presented seven petitions in
favour of Catholic emancipation, from places in the county
of Meath ; also petitions from the same places against the
Sub-letting and Ve►try Acts.
Mr. MOORE presented a petition from Gorey, in the
county of Wexford, against further concessions to the Ca-
tholics ; also a similar petition from Inch.

Mr. LOCKE presented a ‘imilar petition from the Pro-
inaudible its the gallery.
testants of the Eastern part of the county of Devon. The General GASCOYNE stated, that if it was not the
Hon. Member said, that he had voted against his Majesty's
intention of the Hun. Member opposite to make any mo-
Ministers upon the question of the repeal of the Test and tw ! n with
respect to that colony, it was his own intention
Corporation Acts, and he had no reason to regret that vote.
, to move for reports relative to the state of it, and the
He had also been an tmcomPromising opponent of loss of Europeans in that country. He considered
C otholic Emancipation, but now when Ministers had
declared their intention to patronise that measure, i [l.ret sirruic..] . ,
he thought the least that could be done in common cour- 1
toy was to suspend his judgment until the House was i