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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS, August 10.
The ToRDCITANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool- i
sack at "P.m o'Clock.
ROYAL COMMISSION.
The Royal Assent was given by Commission to the
following Bills : The Bonded Corn Bill, the Mi-
litia Bill, the Prisons Bill, the Tobacco Regulations
Bill, the Mines and Collieries Bill, the Municipal
Corporations Bill, the Double Costs Bill, the Copy- •
right of Designs Bill, the Ordnance Survey Bill, the
Chancery Offices Abolition Bill, the Slave Trade
Suppression Bill, the East India Slavery Bill, the
Rivers (Ireland) Bill, the Irish Fisheries Bill, the •
Dublin Boundaries Bill, the Four Courts (Dublin)
Marshalsea Bill, the Imperial Bank of England Bill,
Hele's Charity Estate Bill, Street's Divorce Bill, and
Sewell's Divorce Bill.
The Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the
Earl of Shaftesbury, and the Duke of Buccleuch.
A Message from the House of Commons brought
up the Colonial Passengers Bill and the Bankruptcy
Law Amendment Bill.
The. Ecclesiastical Corporations Leasing Bill was
read a third time and passed.
PARISH CONSTABLES BILL.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE, on moving the third
reading of this Bill, said that the Commons had re-
jected their Lordships' amendments, and he hoped
their Lordships would not press these amendments,
but pass the Bill as it had colue up again from the
House of Commons.
After a few words from Lords RADNOR and
CAMPBELL, the Bill was read a. third time, and
passed.
THE' IRISH MARRIAGES BILL.
This Bill went through Committee, was reported,
read a third time, and passed.
BANKRUPTCY LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR,
the amendments of the Commons were agreed to, and
the Bill was passed.
The Coventry Boundaries Bill was read a second
time, committed, and ordered to be read a third time
to-morrow.
The Canada Loan Bill was read a third time, and
passed.
The Lunatic Asylums (Ireland) Bill was read a
third time, and passed.
NEWFOUNDLAND BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from the
Solicitor and Agent in the Newfoundland House ofAs-
sembly, against what the petitioner termed the disfran-
chisement of the colony of Newfoundland. The Noble
and Learned Lord supported the prayer of the peti-
tion, and said, that although there were some pro-
visions of the Bill of which he approved, yet he
utterly objected to swamping the representation of
the people by the nominees of the Crown.
He moved that Counsel be heard at the bar against
the Bill. He would be no party to the introduction
of Counsel merely to impede the progress of the Bill,
but he understood that the Counsel were in attendance.
After a short conversation it was agreed that the
Counsel should be heard before a Committee of the
whole House.
On the motion of the Earl of RIPON, the House
accordingly resolved itself into Committee, and
Mr. Burge was called in.—He said that he had
been so recently instructed on the case which it was
his duty to lay before them. that he must entreat their
Lordships to grant him until to-morrow.
The Earl of RIPON said, could not the Bill go
through Committee, and the Learned Gentleman be
heard on the next stage ?
Lord BROUGHAM—WouId you not rather be
heard now, Mr. Burge?
The LORD CHANCELLOR—To be sure : it is
only a figure of rhebOric.—(Laughter.)
Lord BROUGHAM—Yes, yes.—(Laughter.)
Mr. Burge preferred to have time.
1 The LORD CHANCELLOR said the Committee
had better go on, and from what he knew of the
Learned Gentleman at the bar, Le would be able, be-
tween this and five o'clock to-morrow, so to condense
what he had to say, as greatly to save their Lord-
ships' time, so that their Lordships would gain by the
delay.—(Laughter.)
Tile Bill then went through Committee, and was
ordered to be. read a third time to-morrow.
. • The remaining Orders were then disposed of.
Several other Bills having afterwards been brought
up from the Commons, and severally read a first
thee, a considerable suspension of business took
place, their Lordships waiting for the Insolvent
Debtors Bill, which was expected from the Com-
mons. The Bill having at length been brought up,
the amendments were agreed to, and the Bill was
passed.
The House adjourned at a Quarter to Seven
o'Clock.

FALMOUTH, AUG. 9, 8 A. M.—The Royal Mail Steam-
packet Company,'s steamer Thames, Captain Haste, ar-
med here this morning, bringing only the Jamaica and
other island mails. We have neither Havannah nor k
Mexican mails by this vessel. Captain Haste remained
four days at Nassau waiting for them; but, not arriving,
he did not feel authorized to detain the mails any longer.
Passengers per Thames—Sir Henry Macleod, Go-
vernor of Trinidad; M. Gantaume, from Trinidad; Mr.
Hargreaves, Comptroller of Barbadoes; Messrs. Macock,
King, and Alleyne, from Barbadoes; Captain Tomkins,
Artillery, Mr. Jordan, collector of Customs, and Messrs.
Goldsmith and Kelly, from Jamaica; Mr. Sandbach,,aad
Mr. Kennedy, wife and child, from Demerara; Messrs.
Duffy and O'Leary, from Caraccas ; Mr. Huggins, from
Nevins; Mr. Williams, from Bermuda; Mr. Cook, from
Nassau; Mr. Stranack, of Madeira ; Mrs. and Miss Os-
borne, from St. Kitt's.
The Thames brings about 30,000/. on freight. Her
dates are—from Jamaica July 9th, Nassau 20th, Ber-
muda 95th, and Fayal August 3.
" Her Ladyship the Countess of Elgin," says the
Jamaica Ifiopatch of the 7th ult., "still continu,s in a
Tery precarious condition. We understand that her
milled attendants, who were in consultation up to a late
houryesterdity; considered the probable issue of her ill-
ness as extremely doubtful.
" This crisis in her Ladyship's health.cannot be other-
wise than heart-rending to his Excellency the Governor.
The ladies of Spanish-Town, we learn, have been unre-
mitting in the it attention and endeavours to contribute to
her Ladyships comfort, for which they deserve great
credit."
The Countess of Elgin on the morning. of the steamer
leaving was somewhat better. Lord Elgin was popular.
The House of Assembly would open in October. The
crops were expected to be very good.
Sir Charles Adams had arrived at Bermuda from
Belize, and sailed in the Illustrious, on the 23d, for
Halifax.
The 20th Regiment had disembarked on the 25th, and
on the 28th the Ist battalion Rifle Brigade were to embark
for Halifax. The Ringdove and Reindeer, surveying
vessels, were there. The Gleaner sailed same day fur
England. The Tay sailed from Turk's Island the 15th
of July for Jamaica. The Tiviot was expected from
Havannah at Nassau. _ _

The Jamaica despatch has the following :
" We arc glad to perceive that the passengers from
Jamaica so long detained at Turk's Island—the Custos
of St. Thomas in the East, the Archdeacon Pope ; Mr.
and Mrs. Anderson, &c., arrived safely at Falmouth on
the 26th May, and will be in London in good time to
give evidence before the West India Committee."

STATE OF TRADF.
(From the Manchester Guardian.)
MANCIIESTER.—Ovving to the unsettled state of the
town yesterday, arisinm from the turn-out of work-
people, to which we elsewhere allude, the market was
somewhat irregular. On the whole, however, prices
were fully as high as last week on every description of
cloth ; and on some counts and qualities of yarn an
advance of about 1-Bth per pound was pretty gene-
rally realized. Had it not been for the cause alluded
to, a large business would most probably have been
done.
HoCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, MONDAY, AUG. s.—
There has been but a dull market to-day, and not much
hope is entertained of a speedy improvement. There
certainly has been rather more business done than on the
preceding Monday, which was ono of the worst that has
occurred for some weeks back. The prices still continue
extremely low ; and, till we have a better demand, thvy
cannot be expected to improve. The workpeople are
just barely employed at ruinously low wages. The wool
market has undergone no change since last Monday that
is worth recording.

FOUR MEN DROWNED.—LERWICS, JULY 2.5.
Another boat, while engaged in fishing, has been unfor-
tunately lost, with four men—viz. Alexander Barclay,
David Barclay. Robert Moncrieff, and Hugh Poleson.
David Barclay was the son of Alexander Barclay.—
Wick Paper.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE—No.
Sir J. GRAHAM—He had been permitted to resign
—at least such was the report of the Governor. lie
would admit that during thecourse of the last spring an epi-
demic had prevailed in the Penitentiary, and many deaths
had ensued, but that had not been occasioned either by
the diet or discipline ; for a more generous diet bad been-
adopted, and a relaxation in the severity of the disci-
pline had taken place, on the recommendation of Dr.
Baillie, before the epidemic had made its appear-
ance. That epidemic had been attributed to various
causes, some persons imagined that the situation wan
unhealthy ; he did not agree in that opinion, but he had
directed Dr. Baillie to institute inquiry into the health
of prisons similarly situated, and to report on the sub-
ject. He was also happy to state that cases of insanity
in that prison were less frequent thati formerly. With
respect to the man who had died in Bartholo-
mew's Hospital, and whose funeral expenses it had
been said Dr. Baillie had undertaken to pay be-
fore they would admit. him, he begged to say that
they invariably refused to admit a patient
unless some person was answerable for his funeral ex-
penses. With respect to the other case to which allusion
had been made, there could be no doubt that the man
had simulated stupor ; but he (Sir James Graham)
could not altogether approve of the treatment to
which that man had been subjected. With respect to
the general superintendence of the prison, it was under
a Commission, the members of which were above suspi-
cion, and he heard a short time since from a person who
had attended a man who had been a prisoner in that in
stitution, and who in his dying moments stated that the:
Penitentiary was the best institution in the world, and ire
his dying moments had directed his thanks to he re-
turned to the officers of that establishment for the kind-
ness with which he had been treated.
Mr. HUME objected to the intervention of Commis-
' sioners to screen the Governors of prisons and the Secre-
tary of State from responsibility. The experiment of
the Penitentiary had completely tailed. It was situated
in a bog, and must be unhealthy. He objected still more to
the ma,nagement ; it ought to be under the management
' of a responsible Governor, and subjected to vigilant:
inspection, the Secretary of State being responsible for
the general management of all cases. A plan of that
sort had been adopted on the Continent, and found
to answer. And until some such plan had
been adopted in this country, all at tempts at.
prison discipline would be feilures. They had prisons
in the Isle of Wight, prisons in Pentoneille, prisons
here, prisons there, prisons everywhere—the whole
country was full of prisons—and yet they could not
____4.-- , agree as to any efficient system,. He had called
HOUSE OF COMMONS, Aug. 10. ' the attention of the Secretary of State ao the case of Wm.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'Clock. Penny, whose health was suffering frow itnprisonment
Mr. MILDNAN and Mr. Hoer: took the oaths and their in Northallerton gao!. No attention had been paid to it,
scats for the borough of Southampton.- - The Hon. Gen- and he supposed that not until the man wa s within.
demen were introduced by Sir 'l'. Frernantle and Mr. twenty-four hours of his death would any order be
Flemir e• and were heartily cheered by the Members on issued for his release.
ev
the Ministerial side of the House. Mr. HAWES defended the appointment of the
On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON, returns in Commissioners. If these Commissioners had not been
continuation of the return made up to 29th July, were appointed, an outcry would have been raised about cen-
ordered, of the number of days and hours during which tralization, and it would have been said that the people
the House sat in the present session ; also specifying would have been excluded from the management of their
the number of hours during which the House sat after OWII concerns, and all local authority overthrown.
midnight. He did not think :hat there had been a case of abuse
Mr. STEWART WORTLEY presented a petition established. The Hon. Gentleman, the 14ember fur
from Hackney, praying that that district be included in Montrose, said that the Chartists had been treated by
the districts to which the Metropolitan Improvements the late Government with cruelty. Of course that ap-•
Bill extended. plied to certain men, and of course came down to the
On the motion of Mr. HAWES; the following returns late Secretary of State. Well he (Mr. Hawes) would
were ordered.—" Return of the quantities and average say, there never was a, more unjust charge. In the
price, for each six weeks, of all corn sold in places in- fist place the law was not violated by that Go-
eluded in 5 Vic. c. 14, from the commencemert of the vernment. With respect to the wisdom of that prosecu-
operation of that Act to the latest period. Also a return tion he crave no opinion; that was no part of the charge.
of the quantities and average price, for each six weeks, lie bad his own opinion upon it. The charge was, that drey
calculated according to the provisions of 9 Geo. 4, c. 60, were treated with cruelty. There was certainly a harei-
ef all corn sold in the towns specified in section Bof the ship done- in placing the political offenders with thoseper-
said Act, for the same period." sons who had committed felony.rut the moment the sub-
BANKRUPTCY LAW AMENDMENT BILL. ject was brought under the consideration of the House.
-This Bill was read a third time. an Act was introduced, providing that political offenders.
On the question that the Bill do pass, should not be placed with persons charged with felony..
Mr. HALVES moved the addition of the following He (Mr. Hawes) should say, that taking the.
clause by way of rider to the Bill:—" That fourteen present prison system altogether, although perhaps not,
days before a final dividend shall be advertised under the best, it was one that would improve, and would ob--
Any bankrupt's estate, there shall be sent by the official taro additional confidence from the public, and additional'
assignee to each creditor's assignee of such estate, a power to repress crime.
debtor and creditor account between the official assignee Mr. GREENE, as one of the Commissioners of Mil
and such estate, showing also the moneys remaining un- bank Penitentiary, wished to say a feW words in reply,
collected under such estate, and the cause of such moneys to what had Wien from the Hon. Member fier
remaining uncollected, a copy of which account shall be Montrose. The Honourable Gentleman said that.
delivered to any creditor who Audi apply for the same, the Whole weight and responsibility ought tee
and have proved or claimed a debt under such fiat, upon rest with the Secretary of State for the
his applying for the same to the official assignee, and time being. The Secretary of State was responsible now,
paying such sum, not exceeding one shilling, as shall be and was also responsible for the appointments made while
settled by the Court authorised to act in the prosecution he was in office.
of such fiat." Mr. EWART entirely agreed with the Hon. Member
Mr. SCOTT objected to having creditors pay for the for Lambeth, that the present system of prison discipline
account. was improving, and had been for some time, and he felt
Sir T. WILDE suggested that creditors should not convinced would continue to do so ; but he agreed with
be compelled to pay for the account, but that every per- the Hon. Member for Montrose that the responsibility of
son who was not, a creditor should have to pay for it. He the Secretary of State was not at all defined, but was in
moved an amendment to that effect, and that the price of a state of uncertainty.
the writ be 2s. 6d. instead of Is.
Sir J. GRAHAM approved of the amendment pro-
posed by the lIGn. and Learned Gentleman opposite.
After some further discussion the clause, as amended,
was agreed to, and ordered to be added as rider to the
Bill.—The Bill was then passed.
The Lords' amendments to the Colonial Passengers
PRISON DISCIPLINE.
Mr. AGLIONBY said that so far from the political
offenders in the time of the late Government haring
been treated with humanity, they had been treated with
so much harshness that the subject forced itself on the
attention of the House.—(Hear, hear.) He would refer
to the ease of the prisoners in Warwick Castle. Where
could there be a ease of greater hardsbip.—(llear.)
Bill were read, and agreed to.
That case was brought before the House by the Hon .
Member for Finsbury. and the mitigation of the punish-
On the Order of the Day for the third reading of the
ment was not obtained from the Heine-office of that day
Insolvent Debtors Bill being read,
until the subject was brought under the consideration of
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE rose to call the attention of the the House.
House to the petition of William Gellen, presented on
the 4th of August, complaining that great
mortality had IAGLIONBY,
a few words in explanation from Mr. Hawies
and Mr. GLIONBY,
existed in the Milbank Penitentiary during the past year.. Sir .1. GRAHAM rose to order. The Hon. Member
He stated, during the past year a great increase of mot- I had made his motion upon an Order of the Day, to which
tality and insanity had taken place. Since January last it in no way referred, and that was conteery to a recent
there had been 14 deaths, which was a very considerable motion of the House. This discussion migLt take five or
increase on the same period in other years. It was ad- six hours, and as it was interrupting the business of the
mitted that the situation was an unhealthy one, and any House, he thought he had a right to rise to order.
mortality arising from that cause could not be ascribed
to the officers. But great complaints had also been made The SPEAKER. said he was exceedingly glad that
the Right Hon. Baronet had called the attention of the
of the new arrangements, and of the fact that there House to this point. It was his (the Speaker's) inten-
was no medical attendant residing in the prison. A sys- tion to have done so previous to putting the motion that,
the Bill before the House be read a third time. The
tem also, that was very like fraud, was pursued by
removing patients in the last stage of exhaustion
Order of the Day for the third reading of the Ineul-
to St. Bartholomew and other hospitals, so that they did vent Debtors Bill had been read ; the question
nut, die in the parish. The treatment of sick prisoners was that the Bill be read a third time.
Therefore, according to a rule of the House, no Hon.
WM also complained of : in one case a man was found in
his cell in a state of stupor, and leeehes were applied to Member could move an amendment not strictly relevant
hoped that in another session that rule would be more
his temples, and while the blood was flowing from his to the matter before the House.—(Hear, hear.) He
temples, a bucket of cold water was thrown over him. ,
A model prison was under consideration, and in process • strictly adhered to.—(Hear, hear.)
of erection ;at the beginning of the session he had Sir T. WILDE thought that the Right Hon. Baronet
called the attention ad the House to the subject of had done quite right in rising to order. lie (Sir T.
prison discipline, and he believed, if the inquiry he asked Wilde) merely rose to say - that he hoped the
for had been granted. many of the abuses that:prevailed in House would ever express its severe condemns-
the Penetentiary wouldhave been prevented. He intended, don of any medical officer who said that a criminal
however,torenew the motion next session, for, as the model was ill, without. first subjecting him to a proper
prison was to be much the same sort of place as the Pene- examination, and under the pretence of allbrding him
tentiary, the House ought to be put in possession of relief by a medical remedy, really administered punish-
all the facts connected with its state and management, went. He (Sir T. Wilde) remembered in the case of
and to be warned of what might take place in it. He Bridley at Ilchester gaol, that he had applied a
thought a more
judicious selection might have been made plaister to a man's head, which ended in the death of the
of the persons who were the Committee to superintend patient. He did not think that the Right Hon. Baronet's
' the management of the model prison. They were the real opinion of that conduct Was at all contained in the
Duke of Richmond, Lord Chichester, Lord Wharncliffe, speech which he made on the . occasion. He (Sir T.
Lord J. Russell, and the Speaker of the House of Corn- Wilde) felt satisfied that such conduct would meet with
awn, He could not believe that their occupations would the entire condemnatiOn of the Right Hon. Baronet at
admit of their attendingto.the management of the prisoa, , the proper time and_in the proper place.
...

After a short converaatton the Bill was read a third
tittle and pas3ed.

MON :MENTS.

Mr-G1 EENE-brought up the Report on the Addre,..,
to her Maje:ity respecting. the Public Monuments to :lir
Lord Exmouth, and Lord 1)e Saumarez.
31r. AGLIONDY uiovrd foe a return of the expendi-
ture of the Colony of New Zealand.—Agreed to. •
The Henze then atijourned till hire o'l;lccl:.
The House resumed at Five o'Clock.
COMPLAINTS OF THE PEOPLE. -

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE pre.;ented fourteen docu-
ments from diffirent bodies, in Nottingham and
other parts of the country, complaining that the
mouse had refused to take into its consideration

the grievances of the people, and declaring that
as such a course had been taken, the parties sub-
tcribing those documents would endeavour, by all
just and legal means, to adopt a remedy for the evils
of which they complained. The Hon. Gentleman,
after stating that those documents were couched in
the form of reinuaxtralweS, or protests, against the
course which the !louse had ti-,',loWed, and contained
no prayer, moved tliat they should be read at length
by the Clerk at the table.
Sir G. CLERK said, that ns these remonstrances
contained no prayer, the could not, he -apprehended,
no received, consistently~ with the uival practice of
the House.
'The SPEAKER said tl::,i remonstrances con-
tained a prayer, i:, was
.nstail to receive them ; but
whenever they did not contain a prayer, it was not
tile practice to entertain them. The House, however,
could di.teemine whether or not it could receive the
remonstrances now nresented.
Mr. T. DU hoped that tiw Howe! would
not reject those rem onstrai,ces without knowing what
they contained. tle should. ol,sel•ve that they were
vouched in respectful, though tirin language.
Sir E. 1i ATCIII3CI4I, thought that those tc-
monstrances could not be received, inaiwnich as they
contained no prayer, according to the statement cl
the Hon. Gentleman, as he untlei•sthod it.
M. .1. ()VON NELL saki, that these rentun-
zqrances might contain a prayer in substance although
not in form , and he thought that the House would he
0
!Jiacia,- itself in an awk rd position by re eethr2,
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%tient.

strangers were then ordered to Ivithdraw, bet eu
division took place, as the Usher of the Black itod ap-
peared at the bar duritig our absence i'runt the gel -
,ery, lull unoned the House to the House of
Peer, to hear her .Majesty's Royal Commission read.
;Or giving. the Royal Assent to several Nils. -
On the S I'llA Eat return,- he stated that the.
1 tome had been to the I ',Jose of Peene to hear the
Royal assent given to ( eriain public and private Bills,
(for which, see our Lords' report).
Mr. R. YORKE saki it lion. Members lvould
rush blindly to a division without being properly
acquainted ‘vith the subject, he should vote with Ins
lion..l''rietai the Member for Finsbury ; at the seine
Lime he highly deprecated such a course.
Sir It. PEEL commenced by stating that nut
having been present at the early part of this disci,-
=tun, he \Val., ute- quite eertain as to the '-nbieet.
Mr. T. DuNcomßE said, that as the Right Hon.
Baronet had not been pre,,ent at the early part of the
discussion he should, with the permission of tht
House, briefly recapitulate the facts. He (Mr. Dun-
combo had presented remonstrances, signed by the
chairmen ot fourteen public meetings. They were
ail couched in.the same terms ; and lie believed those
remonstrances represented the feelings of one mil-
lion of the working classe. The object ut
the petitioners, or rather the remonstraneers,
was to tell the House that this country was suffering
destitution to an extent hitherto unknown. They
stated their grievances in the most rest ectful language.
They expressed their deep regret, that when a petition
was presented, signed by three millions of their country-
men, asking to be heard by ecunsel at the bar of that
House, the House refused the prayer of the peti-
tion. -They thought, that if they nad been heard, they
could have made out a strong case fbr the considera-
tion of the House. They stated that they saw no
hope held out for the mitigation of their sufferings, as
the House of Commons was at present constituted.
They dreaded awful consequences, unless
something was done to restore them to at
better condition ; and they declared that they
would take such powerful steps to effect that
condition as the well being of society and the security
of the subject imperatively demanded. They even
prayed that their councils might be guided by wisdom,
and that the House would at once receive their re-
monstrances. lie (Mr. Duncombe) only a.4:ed to
be allowed to put the House in possession of the
subject-matter of those doetnnents, and it would
then be fur the House to decide whether or 410
they should receive them. Mr. Speaker had said that
if there was no prayer they could not be received.
Ile (Mr. Duneomne) maintained that they had a
right to a division, and all they divided about w3uict
he whether the House should be put in possession of
the subject-matter of these remonstrances.
• Sir It. PEEL said he -was much obliged to the
Hon Member for having again explained, for the
benefit of Honourable Members who were not
present at the commencement of the discussion,
the precise nature of the subject. He for one, during
it long course in Parliament, never glade captious ob-
jections to the terms of a petition. lie thought it
better, so long as a petition contained nothing very
objectionable, not to treat with a critical examt-
nation the •word~ of a petition ; at the same
time he did feel it to be of great impor-
tance that the -Ilouse should adhere to the
established .form with respect to addresses to that
House ; atidilat any rate that form should not be
departed from without mature consideration.—(Hear,
hear.) The lion: Gentleman said that these
were not petition, but remonstrances. I.l* the rules
,of that House were that the mode of addressing that
House was by petition, he thought that that
:grin ought to be adhered to.—(Bear, 'bear.)
He apprehended that the orders of the House implied
that such should be the course of proceeding. The
Standing Orders required that the Member should state
the prayer of the petition. There bre, both usage and
the StandmgOrders implied that the mode ofapproaeh-
Mg the Route, either for the declaration of opinito,
or l'or the presentation ofremonstranee was by petition.
It, was not his wish in the slightest degree, to trench
:ikon the rights of those who wished to approach that
'House, but if general neage :mu the Standing Orders
of that House pointed . out petitions as the only mode
in which the House could be approached, he trusted
that the House would not in the present instance
depart from its usual forms.
Mr. T. DC NUOMBE said that declarations with-
out' prayers, similar to the one which he wished to
• present, had been brought to the table formerly, and
that the lion4e had divided on the propriety of re-
ceiving them.
Sir B. PEEL said that such cases must be ex-
ceedingly rare. lie would not be able to find in the
journals of that House a precedent tor the House re
cciving any remonstrance, except in the form of a
petition. It was, however, a question to be decided
by the authority of the Speaker, and he trusted the
'Speaker would y state what was the usage on the
subject.

• 'r he SPEAIiER said, that the usage of the House
• , certainlyhad been not to receive any remonstrance,
°except it concluded with a prayer. There was a
Standing Order requiring that the prayer of ever}•
:petition should be stated by the -Member presenting
t.. In the case referred to by the Hon. Member foi
Tinsbury, he could not help thinking that what he
stated had occurred, must have occurred accidentally.
• If, in the present case, :the Hon. Member for Finsbury
kid stated that he had a remonstrance to present,
without entering into details, it would have been
brought to the table ; and, until it had been read by
the clerk, it would have been impossible to have as-
certained whether it concluded with a prayer or not.
in a ;neat many instances, the presentation of re-
monstrances witlioutprayers had been attempted, and
the House had invariably retuned to receive them.
Mr. T. D NCOMBE had felt it his duty to snake
the statement he hail made 'before presenting the re-
monstrance. Ile understood there was a positiv-
titanding Order on the subject. A t the coin-
inencement of session, he had taken his stand
against UsPgo in the presentation of petitions, because
teat usage was backed hy no Standing Order; but
understanding there was, u, positive Standing Order
against the reception of any remonstrance, or expres-
mon of opinion, that did not Contain a pra.3.-er, he would
withdraw his motion,—(Cheers.) •
Lord ASHLEY stated that a similar rule had been
adopted in a case in Wilk•ii he had attempted to pre-
sent to the House a vote of than from a Laxly of.
persons, the reception of which had been► refused
oecause it did not coodlode with a prayer.
IN COM E-TAX. _ _

Mr. R. YORKE be,zged to know from the Right
lion. t4entloman the Utianceßut. of the Exchequer,
whethe.-, when a landlord paid for repairs for his te-
nant, such landlord would. he allowed deductions tor
those repairs. He also wished to know (as we under-
stood) whether, wiled an individual went to expense
in maintaining or keeping up his property, he %vuuld
!e allowed for such outlay. lie thought, from the
Tirit of the Right Honourable Gentleman's remark 6
upon the income-tax that such allowance would be
made, but he was not able to Lind any .provision in
the Act re sleeting it.
The. ('II NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the landlord 'would not be allowed to make vnv
,;:tittetion for repairs executed tier the tenant. 'Mil:
regard to the second he did not understand what w::-
natal e at the question the lion. Gentleman put to
him.

1:, I'o.lthB .aid that . the object he had hi
Vi \\• \vie; to !Jm. whether the expense of maintain-
ii)t.7 property :.•;:3 property would he allowed, whether,
lijeet to .an b.• • . property was • SU. - y of
the necessary to maintain it as property wottid
be lilowf;f1
The efuziezi,Loll of the EXCilLtzuEit said

he really was not able to comprehend the nature of
the Hon. Gentleman's question.

SA'!' I'Ali .1

A person fre:n the India House was called in anti
presented papers relative to Sattara.

SLIVERY.

Mr. VILLIERS wished to know from the Nobk
Lord the Secretary for the Colonies, whether he had
received any report from the colony of Ceylon with
regard to slavery.
Lord STANLEY said that not very long ago hr
had received from the Governor of Ceylon despatches
expressing his regret that he was not prepared to
furnish a detailed report on the subject to which the
lion. Member had alluded, but he had stated that
slavery had been almost extinguished in the colony
through the Registration Act, and he was about to in..
troduce anew Registration Act, which he hoped wouk
render the entire abolition of slavery certain.
C II A I tTIST S.

Mr. R. YORKE NViiihed to put a question to the
Home Secretary. When speaking this morning on the
subject of the Chartist prisoners, be had stated that
it was absolutely necessary that political prisoners
should be treated with rigour. Now he ‘visheti
to know from the Home Secretary whether he was
empowered, upon ex parte statements, to release a
prisoner, when that prisoner had been reported by a.
Court of Justice.--:-(Cries of " Question, question.")
The SPEAKER said that the question, as it was
being put by the Hon. Member, might lead to dis-
eussion.—(Rear, hear.) •
Mr. R. YORKE trusted that he should be allowed
to put the question in another shape. lie wished
to know from the Home Secretary, whether he was
enipowered to recommend the commutation of punish-
ment for the consideration ok. money, especially
when the evidence upon which the prisoner had beet_
convicted had not been impugned.
Sir ,1 AIES GRAHAM said, that part of the
question of the Hon. Member was in the shape o
statement, aml the other tun interrogatory. Ito
appealed to the gentleman who had heard him.
that morning, whether, considering how short a that
hail elapsed, it wa.:, consistent with-the impethet me-
in,y:y they posessed, to say he had stated that politica;
oTketlL-,i treatA with rigour : he
denied that he had ever made such a state.
went. -• he - had drawn no distinction . whatever
what he did state • was, that - while ht •
was anxious that prison discipline should be con-
ducted with humanity and " forbearance, i,
W;4s due to society that criminals in gaols
should have discipline firmly and temperately
administered. With regard to the limit of the power
uftlte Secretary of State, he begged to-say that there
,vas no limit to the exercise; of the prerogative ul
wer(•x—(Hear)—and 'that was the glory of this
etintry.

111r.'1:. YORKE- :aid that. when he sFolie of tilt.
Night lion.- Baronet's expression he had been misin-
formed. •

Sir T. AVILDE said it was a matter of sur-
pri,.c that any question should be - mach
iih Iv:Tea to the prerogative of the Urov,.n.
The Crown aught commute any sentence, if reccnn•
mended to do so by the responsible advisers of the
i• own.

REGISTRATION (IRELAND).
Mr. \V SE 'wished to know ii it was the intention t.
Government to introduce next session any treasure fu,
Ift the regulatit.' the registration of voters in Ireland.
lAird MM. .4ittid it was the intention of the Govern
mutt to do so. . The Noble Lord said that he would talc
that opportunity of confirming what he had said on
former occasion, relative to the employment of Hagan,
the informer, by the Magistrat; and to state, ft:
addition, that he had received a let ,from Mr. Forsythe.
the Provost of Sligo, in which it wits mentioned thdt In
(the Provost) and his colleague (Mr. O'Brien) had no
only never employed Hagan, but that, knowing th,
character of the man, and that he had been a most activi
llibbotinirn, they cautioned him against having rccoursi
to his old practices ; and that there was no foundatioi
whatever for the assertion that they had 4 mp!oyed him,