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to go into tbe question of revolutionary reform:
On that subject mane honourable and patriotic
men differed from each other., But whatever ea-
' rieties of opinion might exist on this subject,
there was no honest wan who would 'not resist to
extremity rather thatecounterrance any attempt to
alter the Constitution by force. But did not the
motto, " Equal Representation or Death," go to
• intimate that the parties composing the meeting
• were determined to obtain equal representation,
or death would ensue ? Did it not,,in effect, say,
that those who displayed the banner considered
.equal representation to be with them so far a sine
gna non, that they were determined to obtain ir by
• force, or perish ? Another banner was inscribed
"-No Corn Laws." He commented on this, and
-showed the extreme danger of exhibiting such a
anotiaa be ore a multitude like that assembled at
Manchester., of sixty thousand persons at least,
• ~but, according Jo some statements, that meeting
consisted of not fewer than one hundred and fifty
thousand persons. Ought the people, at a period
• of such. severe distress, to be thus inflamed ? Let
them meet to call for a Reform if ,they pleased ;
but was it to he endured that they should assemble
lii such iminense multitudes, to dictate the mea-
sures which they 'wished to see adopted, and to
declare that, if that which they demanded, were
not conceded, they would accept of nothing else ?
lie briefly (unpile() on the three items of Parliamen-
tary Reform—Universal Stiffrage, Annual Parlia-
i knell's', and Vote by Ballot. To the Jury Ire sub-
mitted, that the weavers, shoemakers, and cot-
ton-Tioners, by whom these questions were agi-
tated, were not the most competent judges of the
effects of those changes which they wished to in-
taodnee into the Constitution. He shot.'ed that
the people, once made dissatisfied on these sub-
jects, ascribed to the want of the recommended
changes all the evils with which Providence
'night afflict them. The folly of the mob, in
Some respects. 11,e instanced, by referring to the
meetings which took place, and the complaints
Which were raised,
:when it was found necessary
to alter our calendar. Because eleven days were
• added to the date of the day on which the change
took place, many had the weakness to repine, as
if they had been actually robbed of eleven days.
nor:arch, in allusion to this subject, had must
felicitously pictured the absurdities of the mob,
by represeuting them ite one of his pictures as
throa jug up their hats, and franticly calling out,
4' Give us back our eleven days !" There was
about the same degree of reason in this cry as
there wes in that of " Annual Parliaments, Uni-
versal Suffrage, and Vote by Ballot." ' But he had
Dot yet done with the harmers :—Another of them
Wsit inscribed, '' Let us die like men, and not be
told like slaves Who, he wished to know,
had beef) selling or attempting to sell the people
of Royston, Oldham, Middleton, and the other
pliers which that day bad poured their thousands
into Manchester ?. He, for Ilia part, had heard of no
selling of slaves, or any thing of the kind. What,
then. Was the object or exhibiting such a banner ?
One flag was surmounted by a pike, and another
, gave the representation of a dagger. What did
these mean but this (though no man had the
courage and audacity to say it with hie lips), that
auch instruments might be useful---might procure
the Reform wanted to benefit the people; ,but our
• laws did not teach that any such. should be used.
to reform the English Constitution. What was
this meeting of the 16th Aue,ust ? Was it a meet-
ing of the town of Manchester ?-0
of Lancaster ? f the county
—or of any particular trade ?—No.
Was it called by any person connected with the
town ?—No. What then was the object—what
• then was the purpose for which the meeting was
called ? These were questions to which the J,lry
would have to direct their most serious consider-
: lion. must Submit that it could only be for
e purpose of inspiring terror and alarm ; and
ba would put it to them, if • any man of property
•tould without alarm behold such bodies of weavers,
shoemakers, cotton spinners, and other mechanics
' and labourers, as moved on Manchester on the 16th
01 August, with all the threatening characteristics
lof an invading army. Could such assemblies be
awful in a country where laws were framed for
he protection of property ? If they coeld, it
right he well that they should dispense with the
le altoeether. It was impossible for such
fatetings to be tolerated. Were they to be con-
In"ed, they would compel the Government to
raintain a larger military force than any friend to
4:country oauld ever desire to see in England.
Zbat could the civil power do in such cases,
ithout the aid of the military ? What could the
~9 constables of Manchester do against a mob of
6
j. 11,000 men ? The Magistrates finding the mob
:crease, as it did on the 16th of-August, knew
t how far its ramifications might extend. How
.(MC71141 they be certain, that the people of Binning-
n' Coventry, anti Preston,• were not coming
1,, o upon them as well .as the ReforMers of
ehdale Middleton, and Oldham The Ma-
lgistr
pert4tes in became alarmed, and pro-
alarmed, for the safety of the property and
,:i7et of their fellow townsmen, and in copse-
cure they were induced to issue a warrant for
111eleapprehension,of the leader of the multitude.
10_1. w declared that meetings called to inspire
the to and terror were illegal. The meeting of
~16tir of August, if such were the law, must
eht
uellay be unlawful. This would, be doubted
be :mole out Irma stronger in evidence than
"li"t hee stated by him. In conclusion, he
I,li eeln
On the Jury to pay all attention to what
11't be urged by the defendant, and to give, as
_
txpliv.eBsin sure they would, a conscientious verdict,
ar):1 g their belief. of the nature of the case,
r; the real character of the meeting.
144 '`;4l as Fidler was the first witness called. He keeps the
ther 4°,1 public-house, three miles from Stockport; was
witli:n the Bth August ; saw Mr. Hunt, who came in a gig,
Wit servant, dined there, and remained about four hours.
t),rietHer4 linows the defendant Moorhou-se; he is a coach pr0,14a,11
,14a,11 auctioneer, at Stockport. Moorhouse was there
~rrotlietz.,. he came after Mr. Hoot, accompanied by his
he inquired if Hunt was there, and stopped fire or
n'oco,.nes; witness informed inin Hunt was gone towards
MoortionseAyas there before, WhilcHuut was in ! %tat); hn! he. did not come in, he only stopped opposite
te_it,nt....'e,L t. was half an hour after W. Hunt's arrival..
1144 s hen it is not true, as Mr. Scarlett statei, that I
' t Y Moorhouse, ancrby him conducted to Stockport;
kw. not true.
o',tness ,
kr)
.'wth,,,is,77:l\. he (witness) did not know whether Mr-. 1
titt tei
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.Hititentw‘aysh-nn
ttershtlet came; he
Passed that way; he knew trim iutiarately ,for that

time; he could not say whether he was in the• habit of at-
tending nfeetings before August last or not.
Cross-examined by Hunt—This was the principal house at
BM!struck. Mourhouse was not the only person who asked
the question that day as to Hunt's being there.; it was a-
pretty general inquiry, Witness did not know Mr. Johnson,
of Manchester ; the ouly person who inquired fur him was a
person named Jump, whom be did not admit.- Witness knew
more of the persons charged with Moos-house; he heard
of no plots going on ; he merely conducted three parties of
two.

Cross•examined by Serjeant HULLOCK—He. said he knew
none of the parties who were injured, except Jump.
Henry Lowax being sworn, said lie kept the White Lion at
Stockport, on the Bth of August. On that day, late-at night,
.he saw Illoot house and Hunt together; he saw them also
next morning about eight 'o'clock. Mr. Hunt went into
Moorhouse's late at night, and they came out together in the
morning ; they were afterwards joined by another whom he
did not kiiow, hut they called him Sir Charles Wolseley; he
also saw Parson Harrison ; there was a crowd about them ;
he thought the object of the crowd was to see Mr. Hunt; he
saw no crowd in Stockport, except when Mr. Moorhouse or
Mr. Hunt were making some of their speeches; they went
int., Mr. Mourbouse's, Hunt, Moorhouse, and him ; they
called Sir Charles. Mr. Hunt aid Sir Charles went into a
gig, and Moorhouse and Harrison into one of Mourhouse's
chaises.' • -

Cross-examined by Mr. BA rutow—Moorhonse was not in the
habit of taking in horses to bait, but on this occasion he
saw_ Air. Hunt go into the yard he could not .say whe-
ther Mr. Mourhouse ever made any political speeches be-
fore August, hut then and alter gri.at crowds were often as-
sewbled round his house. He could not say whether any of
Iris speeches 'were Made before Hunt came from the' New
Bailey Prison.

.Examined by Mr. I-I U LLOCK—Witness said he kept chaises,
-but was not a rival of Mr. Moorbouse. He knew theetino-s
to be held at iinilybrow, but never saw :Woodlouse there ; he
must have noticed him if he-was there. He did not attend on.
the hustings upon any of those occasions; witness was called
upon to serve as a yeoman, and attended on the same busi-
ness at Manchester; Mr. Nloorhouse, however, might have
been atthose meetings without his knowing it. He never
saw the Duke of -Wellington pass through Stockport, nor a
crowd round Mr. Scrjeant Cross upon any occasion ; he did
not see. Mr. truss alter the Derby trials ; he was at Man-
chester as a Yeoman of Clieshire.-41cre the witness smiled.)
Hunt—Th, you laugh at it; diet you see any thing at Man-
chester to laugh at ?
1 WitfiesS saw nothing particular there.
Hunt—Did you see nothing particular; why then did you
laugh ?

Witness laughed at nothing particular. He went there for
his- King and Country, and always should, if necessary; he saw
no particular transactions ; he was dressed in uniforM, and
had arms; nothing took place that struck him as being pani-
c:W:lr.; he saw some banners but no marching in array, ex-
cept the yeomanry and soldiers; he' saw many in confusion
running about. He was at St. Peters Field about an hour,
or an hour and a half; he saw nothing particular. The
Cheshire Y,uomanry had nothing to do but to stand on the
ground. He saw people disabled, but it did Hot attract his
particular attention, for he did not, look at them mach. Some
were cut,, but. he didnot believe it was done by the Cheshire
Yeomanry. Witness came from Stockport; he did not know
at what hour he left Stockport : it might be by seven or
eight. Between eight and one or two, he, with others of the
Yeinen,Were led through different parts of the country. He
saw nothing particular, unless the people running al.vay, and
the Stockport troop had nothing to do with them. He saw
no banners tirl he saw them in the !mods of the cavalry ;
some
of the banners were in the hands of the Stockport troop; he'
did not know how they got them. One of the young men of
the troop got it in the crowd some way, and they took it back
to Stockport. Nearly all the people were- gone before the
Stockport troop came on the ground; they were-ordered to
draw their swords before they came there; He saw people
going to•the meeting, iiut none in military array. He only,
observed two or three pass by at a time.

Cross-examined by Mr. Serjeant Caoss—Witness was not.
stationed with hisitroop in sight of the Hustings; Lis corps
were hot so stationed that they conic' see them.

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Michael Bentley, being •sworn said he lived at Eaton.
Norris, near Stockport.- He saw 'Mr. -Johnson on the after-
noon of the Bth of August; he was then on foot, but lie after-
wards saw him in a gig with Mr. Hunt; they were going to-
wards Stockport; .he did not-see where they went, but they
turned off towards. a place called the Union Room ; he saw
them the next day, *with Sir Charles iVolseley, going in the
direction of Manchester.

nufaetnrer, and could-not attend to his business, there were
so many people running up and down.
To a question from Mr. BARROW, witness said he di:4 not
see Mr. Moorhouse in the carriage ; be did not know Saxton,
one of the defendants ' • he did nut know such a person.
Cross-examined brHunt—Witness said he was •a fustian-
manufeethrer. There was a great deal of coefusion. The
business of witness was cart ied ou iu Bessen-row, No. 5; nut
in the road where .tht procession.. passed. Withy Grove was
not mar Ins residence ; he stopped there to see the people
pass, and was alarmed. Witness did not return home im-
mediately; he stopped at the corner of Hanging Ditch; he
was alarmed at the black flag, ar.d thought they were going
to level something. Witness is a married roan; his wife and
children were at home; he took care that none of them were
at Peterloo; he was certain they were not there. Witness did
not go to the meeting; he never attended any of the kind ; he
saw the black flag pass With): Grove, with the inscription,
" Liberty or Death." He thought there would be a disturb-,
,trace and a fight; there wag no fighting while he was present,
but there was something he did not like—a trumpet blew-
ing—people generally fought after, and not. before trumpets
were blown. He saw the weavers run imp to Hunt, many
without coats; there were numbers of women as well as girls
.and boys, all mixed together. What witness alluded to was
nn the 9th, not the leoh; he could nut say whether the woe
men marched or not, or whether they were alarmed. He
saw sonueacquaintances from Oldham there, and many of his
own townsmen. Witness went home about one o'clock to
Ins dinner; he went to tin Magistrate to express his fears;
nob:: of the processions passed his house. Witnese was in
York since Sunday night last; lie saw (legs and people
marching in York, but was not alarmed. The meeting there
and at Manebeeter had a different appearance, and were dif-
ferent things : one was like war or disturbance, and the
other like merriment or rejoicing.
[Here some slight manifestation of approval took place in
the Gallery, and Mr. justice BAYLEY remarhe,l on the impro-
priety of such conduct, requesting that it might not be re-.
peattd.]
There was a report of large numbers to. come to Manches-
ter, and conning in that way with Caps of Liberty, and ban-.
nets with " Liberty or Death," he was very much alarmed;
witness saw none of those at. the Menchester MeetingSdrmik:
he saw one rathei intoxicated at York; but, it was the sober
processi in that appeared to bins like war,and not the druukeu
one an. York.
On 'being eross4xamined by Mr. CROSS, witness said, he
kept his family at home., the.streets were so tumultuous; he
thought it dangerous for them to go into the streets.
Tu a question from Hunt, witness said, lie did not know
why the Magistrates were compared to nine tailors.
Johnson asked whether there was any man a greater Ic,
vetler than himself ? Witness said be paid many of the debts
for whiebhe'wes committed to Lancaster ; he was discharged
under the Insolvent Debtors' Act ; he never fought with any
man in High-street.
Johnson litre wished to know whether he might put quese
tiers relative eo the conduct of the witness's family ? Renee,
answered in the fiegitive, fie asked whether the witness paid
his debts.) He did. net pay any of the money since leaving
Lancaster Gaul ; lie was unfortimate in ausiness, lost ali be
had, aUti was not now in a capacity to pay ; he had a
.wife and
seven or eight children to support.
• James Standrick was the next witness. He saw Mr. Hunt
on the 9th of August in Manchester. He got up to address
the people from a' gigs Witness was at Lis week. There
were about 1000 people assembled. Hunt said, the 'first he
heard of the meeting being postpeeed was when he gut to
Bullocksinithy, and sew the nine Magistrates' names sub-
scribed to it, and it reminded bins of the old proverb—" It
took nine tailors to make 'a Juan." He then said, that he
knew the meeting was a legal one, and that another was to
lie held on the following Monday. Witness did not hear bins
say whether he should attend er not. • '
Cross-examined by .fliint—Witness said lie was a timber-
merchant ; he took no notes, but wrote down what be saw fur
a person whom he thought to be employed by the Pence.—
Witness did net state that Hunt mentioned his baying ins--
s portant business to attend, and could not be' at the mee:ing,
nor his alluding to a blunder of the alaeistrates in time Bill.
John Chadwick being sworn, he said he lived at Manchester,
and was a shoemaker ; lie went to rueet'Mr. quilt on the eth of
August; he did meet him in a gig with Johnson. Sir Charles
Wolseley, Mr. Moorhouse, and Parson Harrismi were in a
carriage; they passed through various parts of the fown, ac-
companied by abolit 300 peesple; the crowd 'increased; he
.heard Mr. Hunt asking those round the gig 'to shout, which
they did, and- it was repeated till begot to the Obserimr Office,
where they halted; Hunt then got up and twirled his bat,'
oa which the -people shouted; he made no speech till he got
to Dier's Crop; they stopped opposite Johnson's, and shouted
- three times three, having previously twirled his lint; . when
Cross-examined by Mr. Hunt—Witness was a clerk in 'a-
they arrived opposite the Sts Michael's public•house, he told
counting-house; lie went in a coach to Manchester ou the
them he Was invited to manufacture the Manchester Com-
t6th, but saw unperson cut; -be was at the hack of the bust-,
mittee of Reform ; bather) stated that he saw a Proclamation
jogs, and saw no act of violence till thelcayalry came; be saw the
Mayor; that it took nine tailors to make a man, and
one or two men very insolent, they would break through'j of
that it took nine Mayors to put out that Proclamation. The
the ranks :if the constables; it struck him that there were :10 .
or 60,000 persims present; he went there merely frem CU- Proclaaietion never came from a shop full of tailors, and atter
riosity; he was not alarmed till atter the cavalry came on .
turning round to the Stockport people, said he hoped he
the ground; be was then rattier afraid; there were
or not ; he were two or
ehould see them on the Ifith at the Manchester Meeting.
three who would go through the crewel whethe
chev then passed on to Johnson's house, and limit -told them
saw no person cut ; there was.one constable pressed down by to disperse, but advised the Stockport people to brifig as
many of their neighhotirs as they could on the 16th e wit-
the. crowd when the cavalry came; witness took refuge amon mess knew:, place called White clogs; it was about live miles
the constables, among whom he had sonic relations; lie saw from Manchester,- on the Blachney-road; . witness was at
a double row of constables from the house . where the Magis- White-Moss- on the 14th of- August ;he got there befare
trates were up to the Hustings ; Mr. Nadia was on the
groued close to the Magistrates' house ; witness saw no per- daylight ; them e were matlypeople there; witness was attended
by another young man from curiosity, because they heard
son insult him; he beard him (Heat) requesting the people there were some men
,to he drilled ; there were about three
the constables was Thonias.
to be quiet and peaceable; the relation whom he had among
hundred at first, but kept increasing. They had a horn
blowing, and fell into ranks like soldiers; different peoe
Examined by Mr. BARlUM—Witness said be knew Mr. pie commanded; when the horn blew they fell into rank
Moorhouse; he saw hint in the carriage, but could not say like soldiers, and marched about; they
made witness fill
was upon the hustings.
into lank all fell into their respective places, and formed
Examined by Mr. Hu!•Lante—He saw !Woodlouse, Hunt, different companies, from Oldham, Manchester, and other
Johnson, and a Lady, in the carriage; it was attended. by a places; they marched, counter-marched, and halted; witness
crowd, and there were plenty of flags; he did not recollect that i_heard the words ".make ready, present," and on the word
there were any bannersamong those who surrounded the ear- " bre" being given, they ell clapped their bands; about six
ridge; he saw Hunt leave the carriage to get upon the host- o'clock they all fell into line, and. .wieness amoug the rest ;
ings; he passed the Stockport people that morning; they e.the corumandersewere country peopleewhout the witness did
were upwards of a thousand; he recollected Hunt's saying, not know.
"if any people broke the peace, they muse get theta down, Hunt submitted that this was not evidence, es the witness
keep them down, and make them be quiet ;" he recollected did not any of those present ;- it had no cennexien with
no other word.
the meeting of the 16th.
To a question from the Judge, he said, 'he could not tell Witness proceeded—He saw Murray, mid heard a cry of
how many might be able to hear Hunt when he spoke. " A spy, a spy !" The first person he saw on the 16th lead-
Mary Cadman being sworn, said she was servant to Moor- ing Middleton and Rochdale up, was a man be saw with a
house, but had left Isis service; -she knew Hunt; there was a letter at the White Moss. Arian brought it about two hours
bed made up for him at Moorhouse's. after witness saw Murray. W hen tie brought the letter,
Here Hunt rose, and admitted that he slept there ; it was they formed into a solid square to bear it read ; the man
not therefore necessary to examine her further on that point. who received it was placed in the middle. It was not read,
Cross-examined by .Mr. BARROW—Witness said, Moor- for, as it had no came, they said they would have nothing to
house was in the habit of frequently reading the• Bible; she do with it. The man who got the -letter was on the White.
went to the meeting for curiosity; there was a vast number of Moss before witness, drilling the persons assembled there.
women and children there; Moorhouse took- his wife there: Witness saw Murray on the Moss, and the mob running after
she was then in the family way; she saw none of time children hiss, but he
.did not follow them. There was another with
of Moorhouse there. • Murray whom he did not know. He, went .to meet Hunt at
Samuel Morton said, he lived near the St. Michael's Church Smedley Cottage; there was a party collected there. There
publieehouse at Manchester ; he saw persons assemble near were different crowds going, till Hunt left. the place ; be
his house on the 9th; .there was a great noise that John.- was accompanied, so far as .witness knew, only by the Man-
son, Hunt, and 'Moorhouse were coming; there were three chester mined. The Middleton and Rochdale parties came
or four in a chaise.; there was a large collection of people down the Old Road; and passed on the meeting. Wit-
round them ; the gig stopped opposite the church, when
tress accompanied them; they marched along in rows ; he 'did
Mr. Hunt got on his fetes and began to speak; lie began by not perceive they had any Officers. He went to Shoe-hill
making allusions to the Manchester Magistrates, he coin- with this party, and then turned back tb meet Hunt, who was
pared them. to nine tailors en a shop-board ; witness accompanied by a great crowd. He, with dolitis•in, were
thought his reason for saying so was, because the meet- standing up in"an open tel.) chaiseatogether with Knight, and
ing was forbidden ; be vneouraged the people to be firm, a man they called Crank. The carriage was in the middle of
and no doubt they would prosper; 'the meeting to which the crowd; they did not march in reeks, except a few lads
he alluded was the meeting of that day; witeess did not before. They halted Miens they came to Johnson's shop,_
know it was forbidden.--e(Here the placard forbidding the and shouted. They next halted at the Exchange, and shout-
meeting was strewn, and witness said he saw many such post- rd also. The crowd kept increasing as they went ; 011 pees_
ed on the walls.),--There was a great noise among the people; ing Murray's. 110119 e they hissed as loud as they could. When
previous to the last placard witness saw another of the same they came to the .Exchatige some hissed and some shouted.--
tendency; Hunt told the people to meet again on the WO), Witness did not go to the party with that Meeting, he went
which was received with lond cheers, and cries of "We will, a shorter way but could not get near the hustings. There
we will ;" Hunt then waved his hat, and laughed quite hearti- was a in the cued: who. can ied a flag.
ly; Juhnson sat by Hunt's side; they contieeed from half an Cross-examined by Hunt—Witness said be was a shoe-
hour to three quarters before they moved off, amid then drove maker, residing at No. 30-, Miller's-street. He hived_ there
off to Mr. Johnson's house. On the following Monday he sew nine years; he worked for himself and others; be was post-
many thousands moving- about. He saw Mr. Johnson come tire he heard him call on the people to shout ; he went to
with his retinue; Mr. -Hunt was present with Johnson in a White Moss fur mere Curiosity; the person's mune who at-
carriage; the people were after them five or six abreast ; cumpanied him was William; he did not know his oilier
they stepped like soldiers; he •could not say how many name, nor his residence; they conversed after on the stib-
there weae,' but half an hour elapsed before they all pass- ject; the other person works-in Miller's-lone; be told this
ed; they came either from, the Oldham or Rochdale road ; story many a time, and Mr. Milne took it down, but never,
this he concluded from seeing them conie down the lane ; asked him to produce the young man who accompanied him ;
he beard a bugle, and they halted more than once hist Tuesday was the first time he comaumicated this to Me.
while witness stood looking en ; he heard a -shout irons a 'Milne; he was not asked whether any ether witness could
man, and believed it was the word " halt ;" there was a be produced - toe' confirm this testimony. There were
black flag with " Liberty or Death,. or something simnel ; mane spectators besides himself, who were ordered to fall
" No Corn Laws" Was on another banner.; there were Sc- in with time rest into a rank a they said all suit fall in,
veral other flags with Caps of Liberty at the top; one was for they .sound have no lookers on ; witness was looking on
sentatio Hunt a
witness ibertyl ;" he
them recoltilllected nothing about repre- about. two hours and a half ;he
never said bow many were
n ;folowed they got to Mr. Murray's drilling when be got there;: they were not there in .reek;
house, who was a constable at the time; he was in his room they were sitting abort, and got into rank when daylight ap-
very ill ; when the mob got opposite his dour, they hissed at pear'ed; he could not speak as to their number; at first then e
his family, who were at the windows, and cried out, " that were about as many lookers on as fell in; the farmer did not
they wanted some White Moss humbugs;" the earriage.at fall in till they formed the long line; there are houses round
this time had gone oh, and was no ger las sight ; the. White Moss, the inhabitants of which could not seeing
this was not collet ; it was very tuniultuons, and for himself, those assembled; they were altogether more than 400; wit-
witness was alarmed; he bad lived in the town 40 years, and Hess went home about seven o'clock, and told .what he saw
never saw any thing so tumultuous before; neither public to different people ; he. could nut recollect all the different
private business went on in the usual way; warless is a ma-
words of connuan4; he heard the words " Meech,' •i Coati-

lermarzli," and many others, but did not recollect exact!y
what was dUne at the word " Gutintermarch;" they hid no
arms nor sticks; he saw none of those in the carriage hiss
when it passed Murray's house ; he went with them as far
as the Exchange; saw some Hags, was not alarmed, hut
thought the business at White Moss would lead to mischief in
time ; witness saw no arms or bludgeons wit li'the Rochdale or
Stockport parties, nor did he see any disposition to do harm ;
he saw the Cavalry coming into St. Peter's Field, and then
f•egati to be alarmed for the first time; when he Came.to the
field it was full, and ail standing peaceably; he saw Cavalry
come into the field in a kiAil of trot, and got away, as.he Iyas
feafful of danger; it was 'very well known iu the town that
drilling was going on at the White Moss.
Robert Vild, one of the defendants, examined the witness,
and put some questions of little importance, as did Johnson,
another of the defendants.
Examined by Mr. ScAnLErr—Witnes4 said .-there was no
public road nearer than a mile or a mile and a half to the
Moss, neither was there a village nearer than one mile.
Samuel Murton was again cAlled in, and the placard calling
the meeting of the.9th.limided to him, but he did not recol-
lect to have seen it, or any such posted up.
James Murray said he lived at. Manchester; he knew Mr.
Shawcroft was with him on the I 4th of August ; he left Man-
chester on the Iht h. ItYmer,mid ltynier's son accompauied him
to White Moss; they left Minichester at twelve, and reached
White Moss about two. Tuey heard people shooting, and
turned out of the way to avoid them , some were before, and
some behind them. They went tot place-where the men were
drilling.; their number might he six or eight hundred; they
Were drilling on a square piece of land ; t he thickest part was on
his right, and were in detached parties, and a drill seijrant at
the head or cod of every syllad. The man at the head gave the
orders; he heard the surds " march,--wheel—Lialt." fr, quent •
ly. They wheeled and halted its they were ordered. He heard
no words of command ;;item but those,- together with eyes
ri ht, " forward,'' and I tihrrs. He stopped but a tew
minutes: Shawcruft went
.with him: A drill srtivaut, named
Cattetill, said to him, "'fall iit;" they continued coming up
fast. When asked to fall. in, witness said he thocglit he
should soon; they looked at him stedlasily, and began to
cry, " Spy" The voice Callle fruit the nearest quarter, and
passed along' the line. They then shouted, " constables,"
and the answer l/aum them, murder them 1" Eighty
or ninety men pursued them, and knocked Shawcroft in tile,
ditch:

Hunt submitted, that this was evidence which could not he
received.
The objection 'was overruled by the Judge, who said, at the
same time, that be had his doubts about it, and should put the
objection on his.notes. '
Murray being again tailed in, said, that from twenty to
thirty of the men foll Owed, /and pvertook him, and beat him
violently with sticks. . iniplored them tiYgive over, and
said it looked more like minder that Parliamentary
They asked hint how slon.:; would tie' th,itteni it hr, ogla pri-
sonersao Manchester ? Want ss said they would be treated
as a-prisoners.. and gentlemen, het not rout der. ahem.- One
said," Shall we kill bias tnit.affrolit,• amid pit. him into tire
pit, or let him go ?" Another said, " think he has hail
enough ; if he has any Inure he will die."... 4. hey then coo-
sulte,m fur a tiore, told him go down on his knees, and
asked if liewasn•willhig- tie.iivear.• never .ttr be a King's man
again ; he said yes, for he thought his life- depended on it.
They then formed a ring-round him; bewent on his kneesand
repeated the oath. Witasess got up end went to Middleton,
not being aole to preiceed further; was convey• ..e.,e
in a elistiSe. On mire 16th, the
.day attrr, o d some
noise in the streets anti the sound of bugles. The crowd
stopped oppne.ite the house, and those in the centre stem! In
order six abs cast ; the bugle soboded again, stud he heard the
word march pronounced. Those that were matching is a-
breast pointed at his house, and some hissed. 'Dore were
Sultan 5 or 6UUU marchifig-inline; 'and a great crowd& besides
of men, women, and children.; lie saw no women marehiog in
line ;. this was alnesit eleven. At one, another party came by,
its the centre of which was.an open cm-nage-1 they Moved very
slowly; but he did unit think they . halted ; the crowd hissed,
And printed at his wind.)WS: esr; was sure they !oohs dup at
his house. This hotly coasisted nit between 3 and 4t000,' a d
amongst them a great number of children. from Smedley
Cottage to St. Peter's area the .neatest way was I:ut by Isis
house ; it was a round. of 5 or (too yards.
Cross-examined by Hinit—Witness was not employed by
the Police; he is a strict constable, and is sworn in by the
Magistrates yearly. Ile went to White Mbss in consequence
of the alarmed state of the counts.), of his family, and him-
self; went of his own accord ;.bllt told loopy that he would
go to see the drilling; -he might have told Mr. Nttdin so. He
never received any money for his services, but got 151. to pay
his doctor's bill, put of the subscription raised fur those who
were wounded its Peter's field. Many of the iahabitants of
Manchester knew of the drilling; he coOld not speak as to the
number of the Spectators at Whntte Moss whet' the drilling
was going on ; there were net lc° ',misers on when lie was
there ; lie did not hear the words " make- ready, present,
tire." Some had sticks, and some had not. Joshua Pollet
was the first to whom he mentioned this. He was exit's:slued
before.the. Magistrates, but '.did out think he recollected all
then. .
IHerc a Lady fainted in Court, by which some confusion
was occasioned for a short time.]
The examination' proceeded—Witness was so seriously ill
that he slid nut recollect every thing so minutely when exa-
mined on Sunday. He made the deposition in his own room
before me. Norris hurl a:sother (ientletnane whom he• be-
lieved to be Trafford Trafford. --He stated to them all he re.-
collected, un his first exonlinatnon,' he forgot tine, words -
" treat*, the nation as an enemy," and had them punt
; he dries not recollect whether he .sw.:re to these words
or not; he requested to have them added to his deposition,
and he believed, but was not certain, that they were taken
duswir by Trafford rrafnird ; be cvuld nut lanai ly
say what day;
_witness could not say that he was a religious
min; he went to church and chapel; he,atcollected no par-
ticular conversation with a man named Mayor, or Morton, or
saying that he used any 'violent expressions in their presence
about the bland of the. Ile,foenters; he never said be .would
rather be rowed in a boat to his own house its the blood ef
the Iteformers than walk the pavement ; fist said Ire would
sooner fight op to his knees in Hoed, than submit to them ; if
he-said any thing like it, it was at the Cock, in Coekrote; many
people_were hint there when he got its, but he recollected
saying nothing about the pavement; did'hot well re--
collect what, he said, but le said a good deal ; %amid not
swear that he did not make use of those very words. Be knew
a persons named Chapman went with him in a coach to Liver-
pool. Did lint then say that if he had 'the Command of the
• troops on the Ifith he wouid:have put.eventy bloody rascal of
theist to death. .Thete were six passengers present by virtue
of his oath ; he did not to his knowledge make use of such
language. He would 1,91 swear hostility; he did not. He
was sober when going in the coach. to Liverpool. It was
early ins January. •Mr. Chapman (lid .not call' hint to art ac-•
connt about it. Ile got intti a passion, because witness, its
time connse of conversation, said Ire would not, neither would
he, believe RefOrmers on their oath. Witness knew the
Spread Eagle in Hangiug Ditch. He recollected going into
a private room with nine others, -where he (Mr. Hum.) was
i He did unit recollect that a person named button or
Newton were present. This was about twelve months hack.
Witness did not recollect a door bring broken open.
Examined by Johnsuo—Witness said he knew Robert
Mayor, but trot much abosit ; he never said that he
found nests of money after his wife, and went to Spend it in
Liverpool.

Examined.. by Mr. BultocK—He never was at the Spread
Eagle but once ; there was a meeting held that day in St.
Peter's-area ; there was a g:eat deal of speaking ; Hunt was
the leading character ; he heard him speak; he was only
about hee minutes on the White Moss un the night he went,
to see the drilling ; witness never , offered himself for a spe—', •
cial constable ; he was one off and on for twenty years, but
derived no eniolument ft .ln it ; lie sea wed on the whole as a. :
special eptistable about seven years.
John Shaweross said, he is a clerk to the Police Office, Man-
chester: be recollected .the publication of bills, and these
being affixed to the walls about the i.t3d of .Itily; the day of •
its being posted. The hilt produced was taken oil the walls
wet.—El'he 10 was produced, and in it a meeting was ap—
pointed for the 9th of ugust.3—WitnAs went to the White
Mosi with ;Nlurray; they, strived beture day-light; they
mi;lit be there about ten- miuntr, before anv thipg happen.;
ed ; a perso❑ called out, '' Follow theta," and—another, •.
" Come hack ;” there. were then at least 500 assembled; they I
Were followed by a party, one bf whom knocked witness down,
and more called out, "• Murder Into, kill him;" a person then
gave him a violent hick lit the side, which depi ived him of his
senses fur afew.. minutes; he then got. into the road Out of -
the ditch, and saw them round Murray; he took a contrary
direction, and got off. • . •

(rosy-examitied by Hunt—Witness said he was employed
by the Police ; sortie of the beadles-Anew of his going to
Wliite-Moss,; he 'did- not know all,the defendants; went
with 'Murray' to the prison of Lanti:.ister, but did not know
what his object was ;he saw none of the Defaidants Ilia
drilling at the Miss, which is a mile and a quarter over ;
they left a little after three; some of them were at their ex-
ercise, and there were some bystanders, perhaps 20; he would
swear there were not tub; he could hear no word of
command but " right left, right left ;" lie was with Murray,'
who was a little in advance, and might trace heard something
witness did.not. hear; he concluded they were teaching the
awkward squad to this was broad day-light; be