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in reprobating the right of a fereign Power to remelt-
st_rafe....with them. andifstlussquestiou related merely t •
Laelmunieipal regulations. _or, # province of Russia lie
81tottld offer a decided opposition to the production of the
PaPers• lie would not entsr into the subject.of the revolt
e Poles or the treaty of Vienna. The Condition
of the Poles was a subject of discussion at that treaty,
4i"l 1 did not think he .Was departing from diplomatic
Ittsag
0 ein consenting to the production of papers relating
that subject.--(Hear, hear.) If he took a course
• .
different from that pursued in 1832, erroneous construe=
finds 'night be put upon it. The tenor and spirit of the
debate was very satisfactory, and there was a studious
iabsence of all offensive expressions.—Hear, hear.) But
he Was sorry the Hon. Gentleman had alit 1 1 to t.t 1
ices. e
tillestion of the East. It should be recollected, however,
that Russia. disavowed the condnet of the agents that
. 11ere.em
ployed in that quarter, and that she had sig-
nified her desire to act in concert with England in re-
°il to Persia, and . given assurances of her intention
:et to interfere' hostilely with regard to their Indian
4-ii'dPll'.—(Hear, hear.) Misfortune. befel their arms,
hileid ' Russia was not sincere a great temptation was
out to her to interfere ; lint he must say the assu-
raneea the gave were not only fulfilled scrupulously and
wfthettially, but she gave practical demonstrations of her
Inkable feeling towards this country, which it was his
gasto admit and acknowledge.—(Hear, hear.) There
was
t on all matters a cordial and good understanding be •
.weea Russia and this country, and it was for the peace
tit
tit°.the world that such friendly feelings should con-
d "-'•-----(Hear, hear.) But at the same time, however
Itnesdirous that such an understanding should continue,
t• it would be the object of her Majesty's Government
so
cultivateaild and promote it consistently with the honour
interests of the eountry-L([sear, hear)—yet he
tneenkl not, for the sake of continuing that understanding,
nut 41'3' sacrifice of truths—(Hear, hear.) lie. could
rf.,„saY, as a.public man, that the policy or Russia with
It-'t to Poland was a tare policy.—(Hear, hear.)
Itiets dill not think that the psent course adopted by
t• • s'a would ever extinguish those feelings of na-
ylin"litY So strongly cherished by the Poles. Indi-
duais might be removed from Poland who loved their
NintrY, but by such a removal it might be said of them—
e° Cteltun non animurn mutant.—(Cheers.)
vinsidering what had taken place since the treaty of
sideenrinnag' ihno•wSP. Spain, in Portugal, anti in France—and eon-
the sympathies of all those nations were.
theel_,ted in favour of Poland, he could not but think that
is. Itanger likely to arise from exciting those sympathies
th:l3 lar greater than any benefit that cou accrue from
erep
beression of the feelings of Polanldd by force.—
int, e".) With respect to the right of this country to
p rfere, the exercise of it ought to be' regulated by
Dart:(l,,ential considerations ; and he was certainly not pre-
Ice's M make any hostile demonstrations in favour of'
pi7lld•—(Hear.) He thought Wright to state this ex-
re '`tf.Y, because ha was convinced that nothing could be
• ()re theirsortunate for the Poles themselves-than to raise
in
were not
minds false expectations.—(Cheers.) As we
e not, parties to . the Treaty of Vienna,
--41, A • singly ,
.4%11 u-tisa and Prussia were likewise parties to that treaty
WhishsetinA, also, that due weight must be given to the revolt
the -1" had taken place, to the effort which had been made by
seem' es themselves by an appeal to arms to relieve themselves
etts4; "'a domination of Russia—without entering into the dis •
036-en of the question as to how far Russia was freed from her
lakiTt.onto observe the Treaty of Vienna with regard to Po-
ssi,t4l that revolt, he coal not but hope that the sympathy
ss(ck had been shown for that gallant and enlightened people
their ”eers)— would induce the Emperor of Russia to ameliorate
pus„,,eonddion-; and he' was happy to add, that nothing had
Lis ;-,, 'fiat evening which could afford the slightest ground for
bt,e.Cl4iO. to adopt a course which would redound as much at
to thete his own honour as he (Sir R. Peel) was sure it would
Ohr Permanent interests of the great country committed to his
u4e,,.----( Loud cheers.)
his iiiro`: SA NDON was sorry to hear those expressions fall from
alreas ,- Friend the Member from Pontefract which had been
‘-'3'-been animadverted upon. Looking at the spirit which
Y yr'd orlaole'l all the negotiations at Vienna in relation to
intent! ' no other conclusion could be come to but that the
fain t) of all those engaged in those negotiations was to main-
doubt distinct all
nationality of• Poland. There could be no
:hi,:
nobt oit4stthiafitetithbeymeasures of Russia were in direct contraven-
Its, c'f the policy of the Congress of Vienna, and that policy
the conduct of Poland in 1831. He hoped
4,
4Srne protest would he made to mark to the Emperor of
i la tbeupinion of all civilized nations on this subject. -
tl,,t ri• BIIIEL rose to make one Observatioo"only: He hoped
int,
,'et Alajesty's Government would persevere, notwithstand-
141`be distress of our own country, in that magnificent hospi-
tll4..t" the Pules which we had hitherto extended towards
Alr s
Light ' • WORTLEY deeply sympathised with the Poles, anti
A/ /. approved of the motion before the House.
t rP- HOWARD thouoht that it was by an appeal rather
o thethe magoanimity of the Russian Sovereign, than by any other
v4,eou:d adopt, that they could hspe to obtain the object
114, e,!' they had in view. He trusted that the 'Autocrat of
Of s-la would listen with a favourable ear to the appeal
11,:e!:ee Peorle, that he would imitate the 9ample of his phreis-
ls,,-, °r Alexander in the first part of his reign, and.when
bri,,l'l'Y should come, he would look back to that period as the
0%14 test of his life, when he restored Sarmatia to freedom
hl r• ass r• G. ain
KNIGHT briefly replied, when the motion was
se!eed to.
CLERGY RESERVES (CANADA).
1, kr, sHIEL postpone], till Thursday next, the motion for a
1;1„,t,n of the amount of the clergy reserves in the province of
it': kla, which have been appropriated to the public worship
a ail
instruction of Roman Catholics, under the Act
`ll4 4 Vie., c. 78.
.: m • GREENWICH HOSPITAL SCHOOLS.
' titis-r* COWPER rose, pursuant to. notice, to call the atten.
111,1-1 'of the House to the state of the Greenwich Hospital '
tit °°,,. and to move the following ' resolution :—" That, in
110 :pinion of this House the schools attached to the Royal
tti4tal at Greenwich should- be open at all times to the !n-
-tin,"ctio of instiectors appointed by the Committee of Privy
'
Le ,;•n Education and that Reports of such inspection should
it strne,lly laid upon' the table of this House." He thought
Ptess.4,, ti' sircble that a high standard of morality should be
„.„441Y• ss.:,
~ ilin these schools, by which means only our
-'1 aintaie `• received a great many seamen from them, could
-ten to
~ ittl ktaracter Upon the seas for honour and valour.
-ten to cihent Board of Admiralty had paid a good deal of atten-
s ~,leso schools, and he had no doubt of their good inten-
Lnat 14,,":",,regard to them ; but, at the same-time, he thought
.PI e die" 'louse should do something for their amelioration.
°I. tlie p°"t desire to take the superintendence out of th.e. hands
1441. e ti.°ard of Admiralty • all he a ished was to have a regular ,
41Sowen-,9n, and that the results of that inspection 'might be
*?tae I,;„`°, that House and to the public. There certainly were
h---.,..," of inspections at present, and, on certain anniversa-
`re's4,e noard of Admiralty went down; when' the masters of
their.6(ds exhibited a number of his boys, who went through
tovelP.rqbbleres with a vast deal of accuracy and expedition. ; so
at mit.wwteed, that the old Lords of the Admiralty did not feel
Iloise,Hteltnetl to test their powers by their own. No questions,
' her,;(7, ever were asked ; their Lordships always expressed
l'. never highly gratified at -What they had seen, and it
hit,-ci 'truck them that the boys, whom they had seen exhi-
bii)l'. were the cream of the school. The fact was, that the
n.rt the lower school were scarcely educated Public
‘' that „I`4l, was first drawn to this by Earl Minte. who discovered
s_theret;':, efls had been sent from the school after having been
.wol,a,"ree years, and that none of them could read—and no
to s r if they could not read, for there were only two masters
of -cruet the education of four hundred boys, the rest
)Vas
„e Management being carried on by monitors,
a it.'ere selected from amongst the boys themselves.
' '`oeBt, t° he wondered at.that they were unfit to enter either
' /'at 1,,-.1 Or merchant service? The ease of the girls' school
kat, ' More deplorable, and it was too frequently found that
iff4C, °if the girls turned out. to be demoralised characters, '
', *as ,nti their lives in misery. The state of the lower school
Ns l remarkable that he must refer again to the Report. It .
t. t 0174,11 at many of the boys•couLl not give an explanation of the
'ltrit, °t'est word. Out of Fill boys 15 could neither read nor .
; .
)The lit',cl yet there was a clergyman at the head of the school. •
"A I °rt. said that 15-boys were unable to give an explana-
thkt °f the words in the Lord's Prayer. It further stated ;
Iteatn geography was not taught—the power of the
7Stsis tenSitie the boys knew nothing about. The.
The 4'3, eth.ation was the old. Bell and Lancasterian system.
eooid :Port further stated, that out of siaty boys twenty-four..
tnlall -:,,.'a't well, twenty-two badly, arid only four could work a 1
:°r ha:r.T• The next class of the boys could not read at all..
also h-had an t religious innruction. In fact, the whole,
R tcla were devoid of relgious instruction. This Report!
Via state It
the chaplain, in order that he might account for
.0 (1% of' things, and he attributed it to want of teachers..
`ltat r-C.) had a letter from Captain Huskisson, who said
.11nd tnatty I A the children hsd been brough a
t up in vicious,
ttted.kl habits. This was the letter of person impli-.
brad , therefore the Report from which he (Mr. Cowper)
*ere (I,ll4ted. was not ex parte. Very extensive changes,
s: hat 44',terixards made in the schools, anti he was happy to say, .
4t ,*eta the hover school had been much reformed, and,
si.7.,ittalld"resented a good specimen of a moral school. But he:
t1,41.1'.e,,,,qY so of the other school, inasmuch as it was placed
t'-tlne),,„;;"tut of hydra, for there were many heads to ,he schools.;
si'j•,-•tae 4,1'24,5, a kind of Proserpine, he sometimes passed his
4, An on der Ceres, and sometimes under Pluto.—(Laughter. y
::7,le4i.ceid,,a,eyrlas,e was nnder the •control of a Lieutenant and a,
91 at an he was under a Latin and matherna-
,: tOsp caster, When the boy was out of rphool, he could
' ter) till' finSers at his master with impunity. He (Mr. Cow-
' 44 ibeught it was an absurdity that the master should not
llndsi.--e whole control of the boys during the time they were:
13th the care. - They could !not expect that without this sys-,
.'ll'itl l3O 1 could be blought into habits of regu-
-7'l il'at-e'ni 'Dr thsttheir consciences could he developed.
f . :aosior--Y was the master unable under the present system to
- "11th re the character of the•boys, but there was a duty thrown
fo p,re drillssergeants which it was utterly impossible for them
the baba frin• Hew could they—who had Seen all their lives in
I'lesiezi.nf commading
decopiomt obedience; and who had been
. . elate a birom the army for go nduct—how could they edu-
ell
aeons or do anything towards it? No doubt they were
If
..they rnen, but in this situation they were oti.t of place.
a.,71e,
acre Intended to gtiasd the boys he thought they were
4udi:tites. a scolding mother Kith asmuhomis-istttiecdk tt.ooultdhicsomcomnatrnodi
fees did i‘ _
.0 r, even if the boys .
, ih..r or I,Le, t from a kaowledge af right and wrong but from
, he
I uniat
igt"nrnent. With .re to.corpora p . ment he
. I e thous was as absurd .as it was cruel and barbarous.
ts'. 'he %„,gof that in the public establishment of this country
'1...' ks'4i 'ill',e'ie,','ne
floral
ied for education would. not have the effect of
;),,,,,,:‘
,irltkti,,iti,ii)afungt:dtittlihilLeart.,cvtbaasrancotec%ropfortahieppuunpisihlsni.
enltn, tahnedbetshteschlroioslbs
linen had written a circular to the schoolmasters,
0",,:t1 the -„ Ito dispense with the demoralising 33f . .
.e.,:•-,fe asis, i Vtelents were of this opinion. The mode on :tub;
1 reiiig it child with true ideas of tight and wrong, was o .
't i NPath 'tincugh his back. More was to be effected by
than by fear, and it was under this im-
'st4 isye , bondhad been inducedto bring the subject forward. He
L'111:::. 1:1(19n "f tiieselinvepower would take that subject in hand the
t 4,,, j'lllititi 4.l)tfQlll-1(11_1,.4a.1ty would be under the neceisity of changing
Is ss wo 1, a- it at present existed, and the result of
''';i aintlesq, 4 " be to effect - a great good. He felt
rfeitt.,,,,
but the necessity of inspection would be
,ii, ~Ishipeeti"o his Hon. Friend opposite would perhaps say that '
(, .1'014,1 should take lace under officers appointed by the
t'th,„,,,t.he..-Ittdeivfi.A.(lm iralty aloPne.' Now that he thought would place
iii '0%4 I "a, li a very invidious position. lie believed if the
5411s,:tia.s,itik :K... were ieclined to appoint an inspector into the
4544:Z140r,
.1170 country would hardly lied them one. In
Privy.
~ itialteniecii. i A
ei iiispee:ors ought to be appointed by the ,
4il, Otieemt toped the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of
.stt •nt!catio_ 'tent', who took such interest in the question of
kk WI.. at, ,e, would interfere to secure to this school the benefit
Alieol
wiaashioition under the Privy Councii.—( Hear.) This
tle,htaitry : c°l-toecti.d with a service that was th of
pass
9 !rusted therefore that the House would not pass.
Ski -b„, tied ~ `. tightly.— (Hear.) The Hon. Member con-
‘r,lctt Ilhe sliZuking the motion of which he had given noiice.
,Atilt•tr- S. HEbeen seconrted,
tid3,44 'ell in ih thlsltT said he believed that the state of edu-
t. I, e sti e lower school was such as had been described.
4ttsi•lCPlier I:cilved there had been great neglect there, but in the
Istfl,t 00l the case was far different', as from that establish-
-41144-111, eof the most clever boys had been sent out. He
shit the great error committed by the Privy Council,