The Sun.
London, England, 1845-03-06 00:00:00

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS' , i
and°
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock, i/1
diately afterwards the House went into Correesitssteßegle
RAILWAY CLAUSES CON SOLIDATION ,
On clause 20 being put, elo101.1:'
Lord G. SOMERSET said he understood the re'
the
ber for Sussex wished to amend or substitute eu°,,,stle
TT n 's'
for the one which had just been put. The es° ' Ida
however, had not had an opportunity of conea Aiso olle
parties who were in a position to give him inforrea'ssieetv
subject, and it was, therefore, thought most OP- e
the clause should be postponed till a future day. ~,,, tote
Mr. DARBY said he entertained great objecteleose;
clause as it now stood. No doubt the same elastissieraily
introduced in all former Bills ; but it 01115;',4,1011 ~f
bered that the objection to it was confuses betels
creased when railway projects were few and °tor setiblie,
If the clause were allowed to remain in its 41' fee?
a railway company would have power to d
.ss so s,
thought proper with an estate, and deprive 1r.4 'O4l
tor for an unlimited time with his right of owners IPeisiact„se
hear.) Still he must admit, if they struck thist 0
altogether, and substituted none other for it, get! taeief e
would arise. They would have one Committee in jets
view of the case, and another restoring the clasuleo they;
sent objectionable form, and thus in many instals. tliuli,
ship he complained of would be continued. 004
then, some special clause ought to hi,3/1 the
but one more modified than thadtiffiwettitex
bteeesaibeso
sent Bill contained. The next
been suggested to him was, that the Bill ha ?101l
the public for some time, and all the railway l'esseveres
prepared in accordance with its provisoes. If, 04 tlicsr,sd
clause were to be so modified as to meet his vie the Osi,
moters of these railway schemes would be put Os seilit°s
and trouble of serving an immense number °I to is :1
sta ,
notices. Well, but why could not the engineer eee
mittee how much land he would require for the Po bes;
his line? If he were to do this, the difficulty ivethesuls
rid of; and then, with respect to future lailwaY:isr.) 11°0:
now frame and pass a special clause.—(hear'h CO
exceedingly obliged to his Noble Friend for the C es e se
taken, in postponing this clause, and he trusted_,torete,
occasion they would be able, in some way or uti he
sil;e:
these evils, which, he must confess, from what' he
had not been exaggerated, but on the contrail',
d,te
V
the facts had been rather understated. i-A•II set.
Mr. HENLEY conceived that the House slia soersesso
question in this way. There were now 240 Bieog o,oo'
before it, and would it run the risk of now nieslierseeooaste
faulty legislation, which might involve verslse of r ,;
tions as regarded property, merely for the Eli. oss
if .4
those 240 Bills ? bets se°
Colonel SIBTHORP hoped that Hone ItieiliseasstersO
get sufficient time for the consideration of till.
owo ete,
they should be called upon to pass it. For hi° tae.oo
would have no hesitation in saying that the elstssoeris,
stood would never give satisfaction to the lendo „
oseiryd;
country, for this reason—that it, in fact, meant, eeerie. P,i
nor less than the absolute total annihilation opy
in the country for the benefit of a fe6.0030 i°
should like to know from the Noble Lord wok $
sesa f
whether he had considered this clause With ce4'
further modification. tie° 00/
Mr. T. EGERTON—The great difficulty o.Areeielits,
all Committees on Bills of this sort was, that rose 0 bee
had not been afforded for a full consideration oi. teedee 9.
015 Aloe
as that now under discussion. In the presen-t. tre be elf;
ever, that difficulty could be removed, hYreoille 0
clause until after the recess ; and that intery sieseeeset4
ployed by the engineer in endeavouring t°oolll4,
minutely as possible, the quantity of land he.rros be !ars
take up at either side. Another point to evhisopeer'.,. sell/'
call attention was, the absolute necessity theres7o tand 9
for the introduction of some general clause lictsee voliss° .
in order to remove the difficulty that Coral:o,li. Tli est)
counter in a special clause in each separate P:xi 0000
Lord (Lord G. Somerset) had certainly_deve hoiddi Aof
tion to this point, and therefore the House 5
..., OV, f/
indebted to him.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir G. STRICKLAND hoped that this voldeeiwftd:l;l4o%l I
the clauses in a consolidation Bill, instead ° 0001 vs if 1
private Bills ; for in its present shape it svasslssosriseeeie
greatest alarm to every landowner in the e.°400,w,;e00,1
he had thought of asking what would the' sedy et
they could but look up from their grav,esse tieltssiorisa°
manner in which the estates they had left ees no
been infringed upon and cut up by these rat"' Ile bore,
—(" Hear, hear," from Colonel SibthorP4 s fell solo is
isr,
this clause his closest consideration; but hcchsel" to
say, that as it now stood he thought it wouis,sa lisp
satisfactory. The suggestion of the Noblst)%-so
00, diii
reduce the power of deviation from 1,000 ""
Lord G. SOMERSET—From 1,000 to tom,
10,11,0 '
Sir G. STRICKLAND—WeII,
would go far to remove causes of comPlldutiosslls*
the House ought to consider what was the $ dt)sass i 0
space to which they should reduce the pow_LsrLvit IP;
to deviate, consistent with the facilities ue 'Tos, t W% &is'
a railway.—(Hear, hear.) For, after all, 's,, of weKar
bargain between the engineer and the own of slOl 1 w,)
the purchase and sale of a certain quantity.° 3 OW
even to wesitot!:i isdei
—(Hear, hear.) Again, he would say,„l,l4AW
as much as possible, even to one hundred 1700 sIV
Mr. DARBY did not quite concur with tielsiat °lto Y.,
views ; for if the House were to reduce the !its, PitdoOlio'
to one hundred yards, it would, in his 01)101°Isive Art .411
railways altogether. What he wished t° t°
sr01"
that the engineer should have sufficient tilliss foal 01
closely as he could what quantity of land '
...s, 4°
require. A t UP" f,l
Mr. ENTWISLE had no doubt but
.fosor° 4„,,,,,,,,
would have the effect of making engines' - Y-4 r
exact in future. et bier °/1
h t 004 $
Lord G. SOMERSET had no doubt, ellabe ,00°1
next, or whatever day the Committee et she /01
this clause would be so framed as to Dace . 'be V
parties.—(Hear.) oale, 111
Mr. HAWES said, that any course evilicil tlie•t4lo4tle
must be attended with some inconvenienef ife tlassor is,
such a clause as that which was contained a the v
.„114
was sorry, therefore, that the Noble 1-01,,5: pests', cett'
Gentleman opposite had consented to ePtstilee the es ,
this clause, and he thought they were a hseerilito . att:i
rable responsibility respecting it. -11 e 1111 hes vie Oslo tj'4
when last in Committee, of etatiag.se fri Acrd,
the difficulty which was likely toss
sr'' be lerm ..,,,
tion of a clause of this kind.—(73l6 0441issi tie;
done this in answering the objection of the of„trj
Newcastle (Mr. Harris), and he aPPreiss. eclswiernioSse
cult y would be greater from not adopting Tier Tier A do-for cs
racter, than if they did adopt it. The r" rigb..ailooo eli
sessed was altogether insufficient for thess itope_;„o. fei
engineers. Now he believed that it "whet t°oo,l 00
gineers to ascertain beforehand preciselYsome Ist isoioA,
quire, and there ought, therefore, to he '''o ell, ieo
to them. They could not always escertassi its, 0 tylIP to }llO
would require—and, indeed, the opportiDiesi t$40100:01‘.1
requisite observation was sometimes denebierrsst;;4lool
Hon. Member for Lincoln had made atttoog A 0,4145
effect that if he had seen a surveyor seh seorltats, i'm 4e,
land to ascertain what land, and which bis &I lea' 00
for a railway which would pass throng ~,,sacessoesis Ails
resort to a very unpleasant argument to fis easTst h10:11001
Col. SIBTHORP—The argumentuN 'tight t;.O-11, o
op 0,1
Mr. HAWES—Precisely ; and he tb,,,oeer Letal, beer
very likely mode of preventing an cub' Gent'sseie" a rOO
that accurate information which Hou• so, to see setseS tie
seemed to require. There were other alehise Clet to iio
not refer, but they had occurred 0011 setos"4ll.ll seas' ,
sufficiently notorious. They should al°ort C47011/00
Committees were called upon to reri be egos $ osi
House ; that the power delegated vNuschach 0 tii‘,ef, „el+
to every private Bill in Committee, 111 souls pf;ss
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.e 0
tion ought to be what course a relives); &act: eV',
the power given by this clause Ws° ,I, flismsse°,ot.se
he thought it was better to ku° There; aitlse.:oo4
given, if they gave any powers at all•ses sand`eisf >al 0
but that gentlemen who represented e'_ghieh ;oda' iti'
anxious to avoid the inconvenience to 'of thelos
us sOfol
jetted by making a railway. MeneW_s_ 61V...000s 10
it was true, were greatly inconvenieulesso eliel::00 thstile
railways in many cases. Many °the!' ctesestrit 00106 tii'
convenience, but it was the landed slim iaassoet ford
instance felt this inconvenience, and is to tb7 ecejltilli:
thought that, as a class, and it was main osoeirsoa coy
had readily conceded their property &rile 11 toe itssof
public benefit. They did, it was tru, witb !i.0.,
.40
the making of a railway, in comra°l.,%aaatel it7;fitbs,
but they were the first to suffer the eesseas vs!' Or" s se
struction and the last to enjoy the foalsii' thOnsetbopo
pleted; and he was, therefore, ani•ble t$ secd the 11600titseej
should be secured as far as it wasp os.!! ornitie- the - r tes
clause which they were discussing a*
w be lett °lda bellect °'rtr
granting land for deviation would sssuse ere, 5ee12,,,,t0
and the whole of the power of the rivs sbelei",;seeos,r .
to such Committee. Hon. Gentlerns.sosiesessoooooo9
the Committee would exercise its fang:ol'oer ,00i
that was the case, it was, in his (ant to gictl• 11 Vi
to know what power they were a_i that sa bee
Mr. TATTON EGERTON etfoed bathse jito,l
Member (Mr. Hawes) had 1:"" setors'stfer° 'P
to secure the interests of the land props tiee,
.stisaisistoodts
Egerton) conceived that the course rot the ;40:1,1
to be adopted was only likely to. sLo'ere if,rey Otlie,
large landed proprietors. Nov, tueeyeece It era. pr. 4
their own rights. If they felt a 81! put is se se,
before the Committee and state it.. . to 1000.10 0
small freeholder were injured, 0u: was hers° 14
landed proprietor whose interest oi.u.,gsgels. Avail IA
was required by this clause power
pense of bringing his witneeset.' ue , i. ti tiliolo
almost sure to be, he had no .o:rifacc.,iir,..flo:4 oi
his injury before the Commlttto ee 00 btloeeeno
therefore thought that the late a .6' fle la I oil
bridged' Ore tea c Via'
excessive, and ought to be a
.o
seth
bes is
O.
i, .
engineers were able to ascertain
what t Ae, ons0s!:
they were accustomed to do,. .ellelea to tiZollsis.ll.4
and not take as they seemed alone gen. lt, two Ili
three miles for their spoil eartb.a
_e,,soeeer
ichese_eait
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it was utterly impossible onionnors
the lill 0°1%00°4
for arrivedtuen :Its
stones
cfoutlar his
bt.ioa,6es or
ssteiibt esiitiocilt!
to::
oepti,o,
might be something in tie's, Saving „erroli. ill ?
:onry r
it was no justification
.or_eiratinl'S was iiistol" sfitsd
powers, and that when el "
at $ c'ol‘l;t9
terest would be effected.
he thought th 1 tbt
et 0 ,
ought to be given to the smalla landed Pr° sale.o',
Mr. R. PALMER said . ees he did ri,.°ll 104;14
nature ought to be inserti,onae
could not %,e.oulai,iisit aye
/els that eai teclsls''Soe
a thousand yards dietngineer 0, Woe ie JO
_eoeso
was sufficientlypreerciosnev They
übt
to
ore
or
[ and he thought that t
eoperty '8 ry Occl RV
for the railway by which Inaslned il" tenlP°ravaanella itleil,
he would require. He. not sreas' gee° ars' ,4,04
In many cases what was cinto a r)__.o 0 _ 0
of
to
in fact, and in reality, convertedtoacutting troy aneeos,toe
was the case with regard
RailwaY C°D'P thentsch 0° el
which the Great Western tea. eiling
to
osi
his property, near Readinmoo,
a• cut oileonS,, eisi.,
power of temporary occupa
earth, which eseree seosiiselit/
excellent land, and left the emiseta
ble eYst.sa Dew De ,iO6
six acres, besides leaving a
• and Wit -et, i , ti rr a
" TioN 0 ette ,3 P
an action to compel its 1 nse
to rei ase A t eri es'
he took legal advice,
re _!_..tfil,cl;
,elll5 :t i'i„ll'ff,
it would be inipossib e
be
lunch w
tbact
elte,
eil
f ets to oh° 03 top Ale
occupation a 0 s e
an action. stated lto a perm
sa re ile
not think
Itihee
sometimes equa .
_in
occupation was
be cantsoll' oil:Ivy-0001P
advised the Committee to , e coail}ac e tas4o
rewotuhledse a
tensive power.—(Hear, h ar
- gat what bbt—io ra.tb 0 ' tio.
the nig Ots hes' Oer re I V
during for solo i
that surveys were made
.....,, ~,,,tter.le _ber
use 1., - p
Colonel SIBTHORP said .
• engineers came to poach. Veee lion. se
otirtila pis
0010;70 No
good old English speech of n
alivi al 0
ofpower to r he
to a
gave such unheard
.gernber for Jeans, 0 kb
great pleasure, and li thought theY sli ei c° I,l° deg°
begged to tell the Hon.
__Li do 50 tai
given land for rodeo and Wow"