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oT that assistarrcer they had the advantage =of
hearing tile -Honourable Gebtleman (Mr.
whot, if not oneiof. her .legal: adyisera, appeared,
from his,-expressions to be. her pOlificaladvistr.
He spoke hi the first Persoh-plurria---ewOwill do
this- What ! and ;talked of "' 'hat we_will do,
amt-what we have don e, -" the I10+41:able: Gen-
tivman no doubt might pursue such conduct, but
lie (Lord C.)did not 'think that lirs. 'declarationS'
that night viroiald add .inuch- weight to, his opi,-
ettiens another time. : lie
.waa,7however, gkad to
hear the Honourable Member express his repug7
21"celo get rid of the question by that stibter,-
. flt,qPa of which the Gallant Officer and the Hon.
lenil3o for 'Westminster ivould avail themSelies
-they would put down, all inquiry on the ,plea
°I delicacy,. and. in coder to avoid facing- dis-
gusting details. DO the 'Honourable Gentlemen
kilink that those disguSting details Were the mere
"eation of the Attorney-General? a If there was a.
..e°llspiracv- fabricated by indi,viduals—if a con-
6,Piracy eaisted, how easy and natural would it
'axe been for those ' who sustained 'it' to effect
their-object, as. far as the. Honourable Member's.:
/easoningeweot, by, fabricatinohe fact at once,:
instead of going into long. and disgusting details ?,
Wouhl it have been the duty of the Attorney--
Qeuera.l to slight those charges—was it not more
the duty of that Honourable and -Learned 'Per-
/oh to bring forward thdse charges, and the evi-
cleirice.:by which they were sustained ? If the
charges against her Majesty grew out of 'a con-
-4 Piracy, was 'that Rouse to leap over all proof,'
and to forego all consideration ? What would
plat do but strike- against the . character of
the Queen ? lie (Lord C.) ,could- not- .help
observing,' that if Honourable Gentlemen at-
*died-any- wela-ht.to their own opinions—that if
they thought they. could be of service to the;
cause -of the Queen, they had. taken the very
wurn'course. The manner in which they OX-
ereeti.,thismseives would render their interfe,
freneie 'useless, their testimony would not have a
s"'"er's weight.in tho.opinion of any rational or
1111partial.man—(Hear !)--lie was anxious only
te, see justice done..: He. was -sorry, not to see
isle same disposition in others.: He, was sorry to
Witne.ss :the want of temper,:of delicacy, and
'vOuld say of judicial decency. He, would de-
clare soleinnlv, that if a conspiracy existed, he
• w.°llld:call-for the assistance of :Hon. Gentlemen
t° assist him and his Friends to. detecteit. The
atpvr,tion that thee e was a conspiracy was an ad-
ePloPal 'reason for them, to proceed, and to fa-
`uom it to the bottom. This was the plain and
I)bvious line of duty, instead, of attempting to in-
r4ule the minds of the people out of doers—an
`lamination which, if it existed, he must say.
t"eli-t the. sentiments he heard that night were by
Ile-ricans likely to allay., It was the solemn
tv or that House not to interrupt inquiry ; it
I;as for the character of the Queen that hives-
'‘gation-shonld go on; for he would never consent
.`,:iistop it Under a plea. of false delicacy, and
.a want of ten per had been evinced.
Ow country. conspiracy existed, let it be
tefully sifted ; he (Lord Castlereagh) was
.r eager as the .Honourable Gentleman could
ii4,for a full and complete investigation. If
°mould turn ,out, that persons drawn fro an va.-
1:1:Q1,1s parts of the earth had deceived those who,
been sent out by the ,Government, and a
selection could not be made for investigat-
Cthe truth ; if those persons were deceived, if
oe-charges were brought forward without any
i,use, surely the strictest investigation ought-to
:'low• if a.conspiracy did exist,then he would
t'ilq say that it was a conspiracy unexampled
Ile history of the world. The Gallaut' Officer
'ad that night produceda.letter for the purpose
Z. endeavouring to traduce a witness for the pro.
If there was any thing in that letter,
ts:l did he not give it to his Honourable Friend,
tre Counsel for the Queen ? Did he think that
ir,e credit of the facts stated might suffer byaan
64',"tigation on oath ? Why did, the Gallant
Et'!lcer conic down with. a _partial and garbled
.w
4hl't-erneut to that House, when that docunient,
ateVcr was. its value, might, he given in evi-
a-,.ce in the other House of Parliament ? The
'aliant Officer had denounced the conduct of
o ar°ll.omotedq who had broken into the house
e tl" •
Princessfit lof Wales, and committed violence
att
epipting to get possession of her papers.
-would only say, that lie .felt it his duty to
4`e.,inquiries on that subject. He applied to
haii-4,,lit•Uunster a man of the highest feelings of
-
r Lit, who assured him that there was no
Qm(!)911(1 to .give countenance to the charge,
e'itiv• that he believed no. such thing ever oc-
tred he. spewed to him, (Lord Castlereagh)
1,
''al Letters, , which' spoke in terms of the
oing?est respect of the honour and reputat
aue_ ion of
Pttdae----and with respect to that personal is-
tstapinh, perhaps, was not the best way to
wat either truth, or falsehood, the Baron had
eu a whole fortnight for his opponent.
.aaasatevec•Might be the result of the, inquiry, it
pe.., certainly unjust and unfair, to , sacrifice the
14,,Fs"atcharacter of individuals. Another gon.
thit,nlber (Mr. Hume) had said, or insinuated,
'the rain
had been thrown in the way of the
the en, in order'to prevent her from collecting
Materials of heti• defence; from this it was
I,:r that the HoneMeinber was, not one of the'
weg:4l- Advisers of' her Majesty, because if he
that he -would say, .cc We are satisfied with all
time Government has done, his Majesty's
rcrvertene
. at has done every thing
,that we de-
Resideeo they have done all that we wished —they
us only to mention the words, as they
a
W ed
as to gratify us in every possible wish." It
clear the 'Honourable Member Was not in the'
-I;;Lalhe°uticil of her Majesty, whatever he might
it.vrer.Coaucil out of .doors. He (Lord C.).
ha,"_ true, had reason 'to know and_ tolament,
• L'a. first some obstruction did arise from official
t"'s; •
but that was no sooner known, thana
tilita.t-step -was taken that could- be-taken, to fa-
ro,,v
till objects of the. Queen.- But the in-
44iiee"'-er;ii.ces which her MajeStV's agents might
-14,,tosutfered abroad were not exclusive.—
reign °/ 'flight complain of official delays of
ahce cowuntries, and of the personal inconveni-'
hich followed. Most important docu.

'
rfients, cond.& e Wit 1t • present case, they
thought inighthave been produced at Milan, bur
they found that; i t -avusfirst necessary to. get an
I order fronAlenfia. It WaS also found that the
order frtfiu"kriertiia should be -previiMslrinspect-
ed by the proper agent;" and though the- time
was extremely pressing, and the Bill was actually
pending before the other .house, those documents
were-sent back- to Milan. to be certified ; And, fn
consequence of the delay which took-Place; they
did not arrive in London until several days after
the case bad been' closed.-Thee came, of course
too late. couldotho,,-veVer be..expedited,
notWitlistanding the pressing applications .61 Col.
Li Ownand of Lord Stewart. He troubled the
Holae`iVilh-this-deli.iil,
.O'r4r that. the House
might not suppose that all delay, or obstruction,
or inconvenience, were on ode side. They Were
obliged i'4S-Libinit to the. 414 whiCh
re&becanse: they could not, expect that official
forms, so long acted on by the Austrian Govern-
ment: would be 'aside on thk occasion. : When'
he (LOrd.
.bad received an official Corti—mu-;
nicatiOn as to the forms which that Govetn-mjnt
required to ,be observed, he •ithmediately on re-
eiving it sent_it to Dr, tusThington,„Eind had the
honour
.of communicating
„with him upon ,that
subject ; feeling, as.he did, an inclination to act
6n this question with the utmost candour and li-
berality. On the.question R*ll' he had nothing
to say, he could not suppose 'for a moment that
the House would. entertain the motion, because
by doing so, they-would, -leave the Queen in a
most 011.'11'0 situation. it was really 'singular
that- the Gallant Officer should take the: course
he-did' that night ;on a former occasion, nothing
was heard but loud taunts against Ministers for
not coming forward to establish, it they Could
cstablish, those charges:- He would not be de-
terred frornproceeding ; he knew that a strong,
generous, though deluded feeling was abroad, lie
was sorry to say, promoted by those who availed
themselves of every topic of discontent; but lie
Still hoped that the country would judge fairly'
of the whole transaction. He cautioned Gentle.;
men how they acted, their intentions might be.
pure; but they would 'lend themselves to the
purposes of those who sought 'to inflame the
,country. 'Whatever might be the dangers or the'
perils that presented themselves, the House,' he,
was sure, Would act firmly to promote the 'great
course ofjustice, to uphold its Own'character, and
to give 'to'the IlluStrions Person accused 'the full
opportunity of defence. • •
Mr. MAneni.Ev said, he had had the honour and
satisfaction to support the Noble Lord opposite
oil the 2.2 d 'of June last in a motion, which de-
-clared that the inquiry at present pending in the
House of Lords " could not fail in being disap-
pointing to the hbpes orParliament, derogatory
from the dignify- of the Crown, and injurious to
the ,best interests of the Country." And if the
Noble. Lord. was of that opinion on the 224 of
June last, he saw no reason that he could have
for being of a different One now ; for whatever
should. he ~ the • result of these
,proceedings, he
was sure there was no one in that
,House who
did not plainly see that the 'best interests of
the Caufitty would be affected; if the, Matter
ever came into that House. The Noble. Lord said,
he. did not fear public clamour, and he had been
very liberal in dealing Out his admonitions to
Gentlemen on that side of the' House. But he
must 'tell the Noble Lord, that, he wanted no
such.achnouition. lie could do .his duty to his
constituents without them, as the Noble Lord
himself. But he would ask, Was no attention to
be paid to the public feeling on this questionsiei-
pecially when it was such, as was founded on the
vote of that House ? This was all he got up to
say—that he should give his vote for the Amen&
ment before the House on the present Occasion,
merely on the ground of consistency ; and in
doing so, he was borne out by the Noble Lord.
If he wanted another reason to influence his vote,
he should find it in . the . circumstance that the
DiVorce part of. the Bill, of Pains and Penalties
pending in the other House had lately be4o given
tip. It was said, his Majesty had nO'view, no
interest in the case. If then he -had not, it was
plain that the nation had none ;--and this being
the ease, he' could not agree with some of his
Hon.-Friends in wishing to press .forward this
matter in orderto,do justice to the. Queen. He
was actuated by- no such feeling----he
.cared only
for the nation.
Mr. CREEVEY gave his entire concurrence to
the Amendment. Nothing,lte maintained, was
more regular than the moving this amendment
upon the motion of the Chancellor of the EXche-'
quer., lle certainly had been against a motion made
on'a'fOrtrier -occasion' for putting an end to these
proceedings.. and preventing their coming into
that House, because the Counsel had then said'
that such a course would be a manifest injustice
to het' Majesty. But the case was different now;
and nothing but the injustice of the_ measure it-
self was' apparent. The injustice of the whole
conduct of the enemies of the Illustrious Per-
sonage concerned, was of such a nature as' althost
to baffle deseriptiOn. They had first of' all' seen
her turned out of house and home, and driven
out of the country; they had .been a confederacy
of ,a\ll Europe
,against a single -individual—all
the resources of Europe , had been' etntiloyed'
against. her. They had heard of evidence. be-'
,ing sent to England by .force against her
and could it be conceived that. Ole 'sa'me powers '
Would 'not be used to prevent evidence *in" her
favour from corning? Such a load of calamity
never was heaped • upon an individual—and that
individual a. Woman, aPrince RS, and the wife of,
a King. The'grosS 'injustice of ' the Whole was
obvious to the world. The Noble Lord said, it
was' matter' of.conrse that
.the minds of the people:
should be excited upon such occasions as this.
He knew that in all political Controversies the
people were apt to-be led away- by-sudden :im-
Pulses, and .come to hasty inconsiderate conclu-'
,ions,, which were easily dissipated ; hut there
were some opinions and feelings;. engenderpd in
the breasts of the natiOi Which time would in'
Vain4ssay, to :ohlittirate... Hampflen,.a,
_simple
individual of little note, who opposed the tY:
ranny of Chnrles,and the villainy of his Judges;

• • • eyyl, . ;
let hUir -carne rt'that was .familiar with
every one at the present.? jwas against
the Bill, and he took this war to' get rid of it
altogether: -lie. wt as adverse- theilliilti-piot
only liecause :1C was degrading to her-Ma3esty,
but because, as it went' ou, it would degrade
every thing it,touGlied;. It . was degrading to
Government, to the -aristOtracy.of..tho country, to
the House of...L6rds,' including the Bishops: Did
any one think that .the-:thanner. of CondufAing this
Ease was noC.degradin to- the: Ifouse of Lords ?
Had the. Noble Lord,bever -read nor lward:.of the
Noble Lords..cheorhig, and Making demonstra-
tions of satisfacticin when any oiddence.Gathe out.
which happened to be unfavourable td.the,Qiieen'?,
Some How Gentleman had talked about Counsel
heing 'brow-heaten bite he -(Mr. Creevey).had
heard. the. Counsel reprithatid -the Judges.—
(Laughter.)-4-:- Did not this then spew that this
Bill, although professedly. only Co degrade the
queen;did its fact degrade—the. Aristocracy?
Then Game the jintiinatibit from 'the .Prime,
Minister When the case for: the Crown was
closed that-the Pitorce part of the Bill would
be given .up-. But!.: 41.11 y was this ?.- It :was
.by that
time ascertained, that; recrimination must come,
and that that -was likely to bring. the greatest
ile,raciatiOn'-01. 'all. The farther the Bill proz.
heeded' in its pro, ress, the more degradation it
entailed upon all it approached, and when no-
thing else' was left to be degraded, they—the
Ifousoof.pointhous, were to be de:graded. The
Bill was finally to come• before a Jury of 600
people. During the time 'the Bill was hi the
House of Lords, he himself had seen-. the Judges
of the- land retire one, two, and three times a
day, in order to. be able to instruct 'their Lord-
ships as to 'what questions they ought to put.
Once he renienibered, so difficult was their task,
they were out for three hours. What then was
to happen when it came into that llonse, where
'there were.6oo 'Judges, no lawyer of authority
:amongst them,' and only the Chairman Of Com-
mittees oPposite, to keep.the- peace amongst them ?
In conclusion,' he must declare his conviction,
that by adopting the. amendment' of his lion.
Friend, they would' deal out the ptirest, adminis,
tration of justice, and best consult' the interests
of •the country.

Mr. P. MOORE followed at some length,:on the saute side,
observing that the proceedings against the Queers originated
in a- foul conspiracy, and that his Majesty's Ministers were at
the, buttons of it. This he believe's' in his 'conscience to`be a
fact, and be Should•notinince the matter, but speak hiS Sen-
timents openly on the subject. . •
•
Mr. ELLICE said he should have no objection to sacrifice
any opinion of his own, if he saw it was likely that the
'amendment would lie adopted s but perceiving no probability
of that fact from the tone of the House, he should rote
against it, desiring, as he did, that the Queen should bare the
fullest opportunity of txposing what ,was considered a foul
conspiracy against her hosiyar and character. • Wheu the
Bill should be brought down to that House, if fatally such an
versa should happen, he was determined to oppose it in every
stage.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY concurred entirely in What bad fallen
front the Hon. NlLlober Who had s"ps'ilsen last, and shosild now
only ask a 'question of the Noble Lord opposite, Upon a point
which had conic to his knowledge through the public papers.
He found it there stated, that at a meeting held receotlyat the
Crown and Anchor, an Hsns. Baronet, who was in the. Chair;
said that he had received a letter from an Alderman of the
City of London, haw:Mug him that !ter Majesty's defence was
stopped short for want of pecuniary ine7ans, If this was a
facti-it was sufficient-to call down on his Majesty's 'Ministers
the heaviest displeasure of the,House sod 'of the country. He
shisuld be.glad to receive some information on the subject
from the Nohle Lord.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that per-
haps it more immediately devolt'ed upon hUnr-to afford such
information. No suns which her Majesty hail yet applied for,
had been withheld ; and all the other sunis which she should,
require,'would tic granted, subject only to the 'regulation for
enforcing the 'proper application of them to the particular
purpose for which they were demanded.
Sir NI. W. RIDLEY said he should like to receive from the
Right I-lon. Gentleman an account of the sums 'which her
Majesty had already received, wills the dates at which- they
were disbursed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said she 'had
already get,20,0001..f0r the purpose of defraying the expenses,
of her defence.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY' said he should wish to hear the dates.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
10,0001. bad been paid .her a little -before the proceedings
cumuseaced in the House of Lords, and the remainder alter-'
wards.
M. IV. RIDLEY desired to 'wow in 'bow intioydayi
after the latter sum was demanded it was Paid?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER cottldatot say'
exactly,: ugly a very few days elapsed. . _
Mr. S. C.. WHITBREAD wished to say a few-words. ex-
,
plauatory of his reasons for giving thOmendinent proposed'
by his Hon. Friend, his hearty sapport. He had never beers
able to discover who was the prosecutor or party interested in
these proceedings; but all public, grounds fin': their being
taken away they were told that the moral; of the country
*ere Co-ism-rued. But lie would ask whether most injury was.
likely to be done to.the morals of the nation by following up,
this Bill, or by puttiog a stop to it from the present. 'simin?"
It morality were the •reason of 11iiiisters, he hoped their'
search nfter immorality would not stop there. They would
And many aperson as high and higher than:the accusdd as,
open to Censure and a charge of immorality.. As sounali this was-disputed of, he gave notice'iliaehe shrink) make'
a moths!' fur an account of all the money expended in these
procvedings.—(Cries'of Qiiestion ! and withdraw!)— •
Sir C. MOtiCl( declared himself tube against the pmend-
• , ment. He thought the,aceused ought to has, anaspPortunity
•ol applying an antidote to all the which had been sent
forth against her character.' Bcsilies, be could not forget
that her Majesty's Attorney General said it washer Majesty's
most anxious wish to ;_4u-on. •He should hold himself,' never-
theless, sit liherty to °lipase this" Bill it it ever entered the
House. _ • •
Sir GERARD NOEL merely rose On the present occasion;
because he was unwilling to, give a
,silent vote. He had;
thought that the Bill of Pains .and Penalties sailed from this
costatry in the same ship with James 11. arid he could nut
comprehend how it had get hack agaln. He declared his in-;
tentionto oppose it, if came into that. House. Ile applauded
all that he had heaLd final every Gentleman who had spoken
on his side.—(Laughtpr.) - • -
.
Alderman HEYGATE, its the gburse of some observation's,
dwelt upon tke•datsger of suffering the military to interfere
in subjects of aanslitical nature.
Mr. DOCGLAS complained of the 'influence of the public
press, conducted as_it was, with great in keeping the
public mind in a state of alarm and dismay upon (lie present
question. lie thought that his Majesty's Government were
hoaud to give some satisfactory as,,nrant eto the well-disposed
• 11 of 0(4 community, that Ibey would :adopt mamma., fei
.
restraining the alarming, usilosAry of the press in-ibis re
spect. He also adverted to the impropriety of her !klajesty
receiving Addresses ,frous large bodies, such as sailors and
others, and said that steps ought to be taken, to punish every
violation of the Peace that might:take glare in caasapyaca
of them. •s . BERNAL; deprecated the adoptiml'of ana ntAV
suites mute !nistar to. pubtie hib,rty thins thOse cottons hills
which had been 'sassed by the :aitl'aelianient. Sitrely the
Honourable.Nlember could not expect. that .the House would
sanction another edition.lif them. As t'tr the_ licuntiouiness
of the press, it was clear that the Lords were nut alarmed at
it, when, to 042 surprise of every one, they issued „„
Isitiou against preventing Use puiilication of the foul' and
filthy 'details which had gone' before the public. The übo
of the Press be hoped isever to,.see:aoridged. ltavas the great
goat dian of public liberty;anal;it wasriut tote expared that,
at tide if, existed, a little licentioustiesS was• oth•ta•lithe
amr. HOBI-10,USE flaw r,;hervedy that however unwilling
be was its a prang Member to divide the House upon any

questio;i,. still that he felt jt his duty to du so in the present
.
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.wcre ordered. to crithdrat.,,,ifitrni
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PET11.740.N •1~:ROM-NoRE0-1.1.-' 1.
Mr: COKE presented a,,-Petitiotr whiOli, ei
far as we could gather from the noise. titatli -personi. re"-
turning to the 'Gallery,_ prSitd-,for, the 're-insertion of the
Qtr.ecti.'s naale. iu the Liturgy; 'and objected to the. whole
prO,Cerdinpagailist.hcr and .ordered tolie
it-the table... . • .
On the,tiwtiou of Sir,G;WARR,ENDER;Ji.g Sp•aker was
ordercdto issue warrant to the (truidi-of the- Crown,.di-
rectipg'hiin
to 'in,tte oat a new wiit fur the Borough of Aber-
tice.u, iii tti-eroonr-Of Tcrgisvoli,.Esq, deceased' • .
THE MILAN CO• URIEIt • :•.
'Sir It. WILSON rnse.to ask the NI/bit: t.. 0/ d (Castlereaghl.a
tpaestion,-to which cc was anxious to hare -a decisive answer.-
Previous to putting tt, however, it was necessary to mention.
the circumstances. A matt ut the name of Kayos, had, as tit
learnt, heen much employed•as extra.courier by Goverti,..
Theta, awl had especially been sent)-requently an service, by the.
Aldan Cinatnission.• Of/ otie'of those occasions this person2lnttl
been.arrested,at Calais, en a charge of list itig* forgto or issued
gorged Holes to the. aminint .dint. Ike notes.yvere sent to
England for.examination„andasrin'tainett• to he forgeries, and
the•answer of Kayos to, themitestionS7R9t to him rigs,: Unit
he Imo received them;tif f.RHiniiriditl'svrionn he, narne'tl-,`.at
A Freircli.‘thlicer was. dispai cite cl-• ty Miktiracehialie
inquiries ; and' what he wished to know wit's, St hillier if was'
:true, as eunti dently stated, that:during this pm-it'd, and before
the return of the Ftench Officer, 'Sir Charly 'StuartAialf. de-
tuanticd the imme.diate release of KlOll6 , 'French
'Government. .The fact be b4ieVed was that he hail been see,-
at Ithertyonid.he deemed it necessary that some explatiatiint
should irogiven of the transaction.
Lord CASTLEREAGH was glad of the opporiunity
ed hint of doing public. justice: to the indilidnal in question ;
and if any furtherinformation than. this e9iiirett sinful(' he
wanted by the Gallant General, lie would be. nappy.tofitrinils
hint with it inprivate: The facts were, that Krous had long
been employed in the King's service as 'an extra Alessl,liger,
and seem on missions abroad when it har,pened that nu re-
gular afe'ssenger, could be dispatched. In this way lir--hatt
been the bearer of several communications to and Irmo
It was also true that he was arrested on -
•charge
similar to what . had been stated,- and that Siceltaa..•Stuart
bad consequently' „made such representations to the Eretielk_
Government as were usual-when it happened that any. person
in the service of Government Was stopped inlrisr missitat.
The result had been, that Mr.' Krous's. character was,;coni-
pletely justified; and ho_possible stairs atta9ting.to his.cott-
duCt, lie was again taken intr..llle employment of the Govern-
ment.- 'lle felt happy at being able to rende.r.this.justice to
one who. had been erroneouslyaccused ; and should bejtady
•to avail himself of any other .inturmation the Gallant-General
aright be able to furnish.- . •
EXPENCE OF-PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE QUEEN.
'Mr. WHITBREAD rote to make his motion relative to the
Expences' attending' the 'PrOceedings against the Queen,
which he would not confine merely to those recently ifietirted,
but wished to extend to the whole period of siX years mu,
brticed by•the inquiry. At any other ethic he-mould. have
been willing to. give a notice, as was usual in the House, of
his motion ; but he thought himself at libeity to dispense
with it on the present occasion, as it was rumoured,-and-in-
deed,partly appeait'.d in evidence, that. great sums of InUney
had been expended in support of the iiroseeution.
.In bs opi-
nion, Ministers ought to be obliged by any opportunity being
"afforded
_them to take away any of the odium of this filthy
proceeding. His motion of course included the expense of the
Milan Commission, upon which all he should remark was that
Ire thought it reflected any thing brit boomer on the-country.
He concluded by moving for an Account ot all the Expences
of proceedings against the Queen, froth the roiliest period of
the year ltti4, atict of ajl sums paid he 13roisli Mioislers at
Foreign Courts in respect thereto,
.and of the Milan Cunt-

111/ISSIOII.
Lord CASTLEItEAGH said, if the Hon. Gentleman -had
moved for accounts to ascertain the general expense of •thesu
proceedings (though not prudently nor converiiently.'Called
for at this moment), he might. have thought it as well4i4g-rasit
,his motion. But as the Hurt. Gentleman had .pfoteSsid his
object asking for details was to. serve for grounds
inquisitorial,, or, if he pleased, eritritial proceedings, be
'trust object to hint, that while the 'investigation N.ViIS pend-
ing it was no time now, whatever the Hous,.! 'night disitter-
, Wards, to require such documents. 'He could assure the
Honourable Gentleman Witt Ministers felt poi
tion to give the fullest iirformatiore: they". werri trilling to
.furoisli‘ all that could be asked:. Bet be did not think that
this House could enter into `a detailed audit of the -itens
Of these charges. What could reasonahly be examined 'sietrutist
be git en both as regarded. the expellee of the procejilings
aga.ost the Queen, and in her detente; but he ConCeit'ed shot
the Horisr conkl never exartrioe this in audit, far 14,-s that
this was the time for the inottoo., Ort these grouirds tie woe-
-ed the previous question. • . •
' Mr. WlllTl3tiEfcli thought. the present as fit ac,.Titus to
more for theexpencesot-the.proccedings.agailist her Slajesty,
as fur those 11)6ot-red:by her, the
.pi oduer ion of which; he un-
derstood, was not objected to, • •
• Lord I;ASTI.EREAGq repired, that there was ho Abject
thin in either case to furnishingthe glUss amount as fur 3$
the Caine could he made out..; . • • • •
Mr. BENNETT inquired from what fluid these eiketises
were drawn-. The Noble Lord had, on a foraterpecasion., told
• , them that the Prosecutor might be the Dtike of LorriwUll. df
that. were the case, and the process was ditecfedagainsit tba
Duchess of Cornwall, he haped.the revenues of- the D'uchy,
winch produced fourteen- or...fifteen thousand ti. ys'ae.lshavo
the charge, would be tirade applicable to the.Duli,e ur:corne.
W21,11!S costs.
Lord CASTLEREAGH, in answer said, that so long hs the
inv-estigation was carriedou ahread, the expellee„.was de-
, frayed out of the secret service money; since it. had' Etecome
a public inquiry, the charge would fail in the ordinary way
upon the funds assigned by Parliament. With regard to Ilia
first part of the expenees, lie twirl() add, that all thesit ems
were.expentled uhder the oath of the parties entru;led with
the dishnesetoeut, according toithe provisioni of Mr. Hurl:v's
and that 'Ministers. had no intuition or withholding
them from the saute audit to which all the other charges• were
subjected.
Mr. HUME observed, that when the Secret Service Money
was voted,,be had repeatedly asked the I:oble Lund for what
:purpose so large a sus was necessary, and the Nobleterd had
answei'etliiiin that in winding up the expenees of a long plit-
tracted war there et:wanted many services to he reWavited of
which no account could be furnished. lie had it diitirictly
, tit view wheri he made these inquiries, to ascertain if arty por-
tion could'be altUtted for the Milan Conhaissioo; anti he nits
oerstood the Noble Lord's explanatioo. to he a virtual denial
of that ,application. He was now touch surprised to irate
that it could -be used fur so dirty a purpose.,
Lord CAS:FLEItEAGFI did not know what the 'Hen. Gen-
tleman meant. lie hall given that answer which the facts of
the'cuse bore him outiu giving as most likely. tp supply the
Hon. Gentleniati witli the •inforMation seentedlo want.
Me half of. the whole sum voted haul been paid' to tatisfy
claims which grew out of the late xvar, Mot hie cohlfi notios-
gitle-any more coirect 'Mode of accounting ftir the -,fi,uktitint of
tile Secret Service •lotrey when a questrcoi,was alk.astabcrut
it, than by stating the principal source of exiiencliture. But
these expenses, the Hon. tientlemall would :nob. torte not 'so
great as lie;represented. Tire Sitais spread:over two'yetirs did
trot reach above.B or .00001. fdr ally, one re-
-grad to the investigation at Mitsui, he,cottlikconceivenothing
inore,properly.helouged to tbeSeeretService than that which&
it was wisited to keep, ft ani 1),(11)1161y., "
Mt. 111ABE1iLY. inquired from what-fund the subsequent
charges mere taker'{ ? .•
. •
. Lord C.-kSTLEßEAfiffsaitl,•the expellees were io the first
instance-paid hilts trash -by Nlissions abroad on: the Fe-
reign Office. sulisequently.lie discharged by flit)
, -Treasury, and coansstreiorA the klobse as eivil.coirtingeneies.
NiAIiERLY eitpressed his diSapprotottion of any-money
' being pititrwitnenittla vote .f tit H0u5e...14 would at.teast be
more- constitotrotiat to obtain it in that way.... •
Mr. HUSKISSON said,. if the Hoo,..Gentletriati sotesulted
the-Act of Parliament, he would Z.fiseover iliat it provided
for the.issue of all sums that could nothe.foreseen. aria taken
into the est iniotesfor the year. An net:omit of whatever wos
IliuS expended' wa.t.laid before the HOuse ror the shcCeetling
Session, itindivbted.ris part of the CivieCoritorgencies,
Mr. CIIEE-,VEY observed,-thatos there., pro-
secutor, it was a firipliplication of the Secret Sit:rviee'sir any
.public looney to issue it VII this account-
,The liongliad DO
tilli,lo, pal hire espence.of wirkatiri:eoLoo. of
-sh,te•fund., any.Actriillowedisflt hight:ina: that ot.
.shotild lie revised. This was a mere private prlt)seaat.e;nidtihetewitg3t,: Had
ought not to be sto, -itted at tic; public,
Mr. BENNETI thought tire --COmmission had sat. long.
enough at .Milan to admit of its charges beiug laid before
Parliament; last Session.
ti
,I;ii.ttilrodtit:t ir•i..4S'uleifs,Etiofttl;:eromH irAelpi.,e. endoht s
e, replied t
Commiision.was instituted with the full .knowledge- and as-
sent of Ministers, who felt it to be their duty to,prerbe the re-
ports brought before the Governweut, in order to .Tear her