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. their fellow subjects who had a demand upon their as•-istance
far the eduva tin of their religious ieseeees, Noble Lords
opposire, and Big t Reverend Prelate's had declared that.
tie ugh they had voted in favour of the temporary gnarl,
they were in principle eppesed to a permanent endowment.
rut he asked, up •n the questicti of principle, was there the
slightest totferenee between an extended vote and a limited
one? - (Rear. ) Was there arty principle of religion, by which
he might be a thirst, a murderer, or an adulterer —( Laughter)—
for a time, on conditi iti of not asking to be permanently en-
dowed with a privilege of wrong ? All who had voted iri fevour
of the temporary grant had admitted that the public money might
be voted for the education of the priests. Administration alter
Administration had carried liberality_ over three-quarters of
the globe, and were they to stop at that body of people which most
claimed their suppurt?—(Cheers)--who, beca,use they were
most ignorant, and the most in want of the liberality of the
Government, should find you stop short with them, after
you had given away your liberality in every other quarter of
the globe ?—(Cheers.) It had been said, in the course of the
debate, that one reason fur withholding this grant to Ireland
—conceded to all the rest of our possessions—was that Ireland
was a conquered peope. What an objection that was to
go forth to the Irish people ?—( Cheers.) Were you to say
to them that if they obeyed the 1 tws and avoided crime, they
should not have religious instruction. But if they committed
crime, and were sent to Van Diemen's Land, the Government
would pay for the support of their clergy?—( Cheers.) Noble
Lords and Prelates did not resist the support of the clergy of
Malta, fur the sake of their trade in the Mediterranean.—
( Cheers, and laughter.) In Trinidad they supported those
" teachers of error," rather than risk a f ogshead of sugar—
(Cheers anti laugh ter ) —and in Newfoundland they did the
same rather than risk the value of their cod-fish.—( Laughter.)
He would then consider the question as one of expediency. It
had been said th it Mr. Burke was the first to recognise the
principle contained in the present Bill. He believed that Mr.
Burke was the first who entorcett that principle on the Govern-
ment of this country. A professor of Trinity College sug-
gested to Mr. Burke, before the Government took up this
question, that. the Catholic priests should all he made sizars of
Trinity College. This proposition produced from Mr. Burke
the emphatic and characteristic You might as well
feed the el indoos with beef, or dress their wounds with brandy."
Mr Burke took every opportunity of forcing this principle upon
the Government. He represented it to Mr Pitt, who adopted it.
He ( the Marquis of Lansdewne) thought he was entitled to
use the argntnent that no one man having been brought to con-
template the state of Ireland, and who had been furnished with
the means of knowing and understanding what' that state was,
that had not seen the expediency and necessity, not only of con-
tinuing the grant, but of enlarging it for the purpose of making
sufficient provision for the wants of the people. He believed
that the time would come when it would be larger, but he WAS
perfectly prepared to say, that he considered the vote in this
case was great, and he did nut think that any Noble Lord in
voting for this Bill was obliged in any degree to support any
Bill that might be proposed hereafter. He accepted this
measure as giving value to the declaration known to have
been made at the time that measure was introduced. It was
a proof and symptom of the policy intended to be pursued
towards Ireland. He thought the Government, were wise in
not stating in detail the measures which they had in view.
Such a course would prejudice both the present measure and
those that were to come. He would remind their Lordships
th •t the present state of Ireland was a most dangerous one. It
had been said that the measures which had been pasted by their
Lordships, similar in character to the present one, had
not been received with gratitude. He found no argu-
ment iii this against the measure before their Lordships.
By such measures as these they would take the power out of
the agitators' hands and place it in those of the Government.
If the people did not at once repose with confidence in the
Government of this country, it was only what might be ex-
pected from a nation which, it was now admitted upon all
hands, had suffered centuries of misrule It had been said
somewhere by an eminent writer, that a Government could
make laws but could not make prejudices. neither could they
unmake prejudices. They could not fly before time, nor anti-
cipate its effects. A new generation was springing up, who,
witnessing the g od intentions and practical good of the Go-
vernment, would yield all the gratitude and obedience which
such good deserved. He would conclude by reading a short
extract from Burke, in whose policy this Bill heti originated:
—" I spoke on the supposition that there will be a dispasition
to take things as you find them, whether it be Protestant or
Catholic, or consist of both. Hitherto the plan of the Go-
vernment was to sacrifice the prosperity of the coun-
try to ideas of religious improvement; but if peo•
pie in power at length came to entertain other
ideas, and consider good order, decorum, virtue, and mo-
rality, and legislate accordingly, thee would do more good than
by all the polemical discussions which had occurred since the
beginning of the world." The Noble Marquis concluded by
saying he would give his hearty sanction to the third reading
of the Bill.

The House then divided, when there appeared, for the
third reading—

Contents
Present
Proxies

-- 181

Non Contents
Present
Proxies
Majority for the third reading... -- 131
On our entering tlit House,
The Earl of WINCHILSEA was speaking in opposition to
the passing of the Bill, and contended that the only true and
proper course was to dissolve the Commons House of Parlia-
ment. This was a great constitutional question, and at the
next election the people of England would retrace their steps,
and give by their vote a sufficient assurance that this mea-
sure was contrary to the sense of the people of England. He
was aware that he spoke with such warmth of feelings that
he was induced to fear that he was not a welcome speaker.
--( Hear, hear, and '• No.") The Government under which
they lived was a hereditary monarchy, though in some senses
it was uncontrolled. They had proposed a principle which
if it had been proposed by the Noble Lord behind bins not
one individual opposite would have voted in its behalf, and he
thought that if it was passed it ought to be passed by those
whose principles assimilated with it. He would give religious
liberty to ail, but he could not think how one of the Noble
Lords who had that evening addressed the House, and wh
was a member of the Catholic religion, had stated
that he was prepared to submit the hooka that
were read at Maynocoh College to their Lordships' House, be-
lieving as he must do, that the doctrines taught there were
anti-social, disloyal, and intolerant. He would, therefore,
move as an amendment that, after the expiration of three years,
no further sum should be granted for the purposes of this Act.
After a tew words from Lord BROU Lit HAM,

The clause was negatived without a division, and the Bill
was then passed. _ .

Their Lordships then, at five minutes to one, adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 16.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
D. NDEE WATERWORKS.
The Dundee Waterworks Bill was read a third time and
passed.
GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY (IRELAND).
The report on the Great Western Railway (Ireland) Bill
(Dublin to Mullingar and Athlone) was brought up.
WEST LONDON RAILWAY.

The report on the West London Railway Extension and
Lease Bill was brought up.
LIVERPOOL AND BURY RAILWAY.

The report on the Liverpool and Bury (Bolton, Wigan,
Liverpool, and Bury Extension) Railway Bill was brought up.
ST. HELEN'S IMPROVEMENT BILL.

The report on the St. Helen's Improvement Bill was brought
up, and the amendments were agreed to.
REVERSIONARY INTEREST SOCIETY BILL.
The Reversionary Interest Society Bill was read a third time
and passed.
HARWELL AND STRENTLY ROAD BILL.
The Harwell and Strently Road Bill was read a third time
and passed.
BLACKBURN AND PRESTON RAILWAY.
The Blackburn and Preston Railway Bill was read a third
time and passed.
NORTH WOOLWICH RAILWAY.
The report of the North Woolwich Railway Bill was
brought up.
EASTERN COUNTIES (CAMBRIDGE AND BURY
ST. EDMUND'S) RAILWAY.
On the order of the day far the second reading of the East-
ern Counties (Cambridge and Bury St. Edmund's) Railway
Bill being read,
Mr. A LLI X rose to oppose the motion. The greater number
of the landowners on the line were opposed to the Biil, and
he should, therefore, move that it be read a second time that day
six months.
Mr. WARD said that the principal landowner on the line,
who had heretofore opposed the Bill, and through whose pro-
perty the railway would pass for more than four miles, had on
Saturday withdrawn his opposition to the Bill. As there would,
moreover, lee ample time and opportunity afforded for consider-
ing in Committee any opposition that might be urged against
the measure, he should support the second reading.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading
Against it
Majority in favour of the Bill
NEWCASTLE AND DARLIN:'7TON RAILWAY.

The Newcastle and Darlington (Brandling Junction) Rail-
way Bill was read a third time and passed.
WHITTLE DEAN WATERWORKS.

The Lords' amendments to the Whittle Dean Waterworks
Bill were agreed to.
SHEFFIELD AND ROTHERAM RAILWAY. _

The Sheffield and Rotheram Railway Bill was read a third
time and pas,ed.
'1 AW VALE RAILWAY AND DOCK.

The Tavi Vale Railway and Dock Bill was read a third time,
and passed.
NEWRY AND ENNISKILLEN RAILWAY.
The report on the Newry and Enniskillen Railway Bill was
brought up.
EASTERN UNION AND BURY ST. EDMUND'S