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themselves to be led astray by the example afforded
them in the proceedings Not the other Honse. He
looked upon their conduct in'this instance, as the
strangest that had ever been known of any well.
regulated assembly, fle-conld not give in to the
notion, that oily accused person could, putting
their hands upon- their beau, declare that they
did not expect a fair trial from that House; H.e
could see tip course more Holmr to be adopted on
the present occasion than the going into a Secret
Committee. lie saw no ParliamentarY reason
whatever against it ; And he was perfectly, satis-
fied, that, in.conducting,the affair in that manner,
they vFould be acting according to the most. ho•
nourable, as %,t;e11 as Parliantentary usage.
Lord LAUDERDALE stated his regret at finding
himself that night in .a situation of differing with
many of his friends. He wished, (and God forbid
any one should entertain a contrary sentiment)
that no injustice should be done to the accused
party in this case. But be wished to see justice
done to another person—the person who had
brought into that' House. the case at pret,ent
before- them ; he meant the heatl of the aovern-
mem of this Country, who _considereti himself
agoiered in the manner siN hid' had been hinted

to them- He cer:ainly had never -conceived, be-
tore the law on this subject had been so ably pro-
!wooded to them by.the Noble. Lord on the AV.ool-
sack, that the sovereign had no other resource in
inch a situation than to apply to. Parliament.—
But if Parliat»eitt were to decide upon the merits.
ot the case, all the knowledge he possessed of the
Constitution of this country taught him to be-
lieve that Mmistets could not take upon tbem-
Selves the responsibility of bricking in a Bill,
without prrvions lamination. being laid on- the
table of the House.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—Un-
der another view of the case, the Queen's having
sent a petition to that House, he shoold like to
irnow, giving all sloe credit for the talents- of the.
legal advisers of her Majesty, how arty could
possibly advise her to ask for tone to collect
evidence for the refutation of charges of which
they pro'e,sed to know nothing.—(Hear
really saw no reason why this secret Committee.
shouin tee considered FIT that of Ministers alone.
Ile had acted on many Committees previously with
Ministers, and 'from his expetieuce or them he
could, state they had always acted on such occa-
sions with due Lonsideration, and quite different
from what they did at other times.

Lord LANSDOWN and Lunt LAUDERDALE mu-

Lutd BeimAver; was anxious to state, that al-
though he should vote for the motion of the Noble
Lord, he Whs. not against inquity, which he only
desiren to set estalAished on broad principles of
13rHsik justice. In the present case the accused
ihtiividnal had reason to object to a secret in-
viry, She knew that it was founded on the
iteport of a certain Secret Commission, which had
been appointed to sit on the subject ; and- which
she was awate she had reason to dread. She knew
no more of the details of this commission Report
titan she knew of the reason for removing her
mime trAm Li- orgy.

Lord Bu LKELEY ~contended, that the accused
party 11:,(1 iu uufloubte4 right to an open tribunal,
wuethri -0.6,-eu it as Mrs. Brunswick, or as
hr (,),ievn of Euglatid —(A laugh.)'—This being
Isis•view ol•tbc natter, tt tI'AS with the greatest
pain that tie telt liimselt obliged to ititrer trout
those for wi.om he test a great regard y but still
he would (Wier wic It thtni on this point, it_it should
be the last ,vord tie ever spoke in iris lite.

Lord. HOLLAND rose, tit order to state his rea-
saes for voting in layout of the :nation before the
House. The -Noble Lord entered into a detail of
the preeedent• which referred to the comae adopt-
ed in the present case, coat, titling there Was none
which autiontsed the proceeding by Secret Cont..
snittee in the first instance. He -was not vet y
old, I►tit in the course of his Patliamentary
he had had the great misfortune of seeing no
less than seven Green Bags, involving 04 li-
berties of every individual in the Country; placed
on the Table Of Illst House. He agreed wit!)
a Noble Lord who had stated, that a Bill of
Pains and Penelties could originate with that
House. Since the Revolution, however, thiy
had generally originated- with the other noose.
The case ,which he was able to quote as most
in point, was the-case of Lord Clarendon, Some
meastoes were going on in the other House,
librly to lead to an impeachment of that Noble
Lord ; and a Bill was brought tip to that House,
rending to the sante end, when a negociation was
thought fit to be-set on foot. This negociation
was on the part of the King, who wished .Lord
Clarendon to leave England, in order to tranquil-
lize the country. Actuated-by feelings of con-
scious innocence, however, he r4d not like to
comply wich the wish of his Royal Master. How-
ever, front feelings of respect .be eventually con-
sented to withdraw, and did so accordingly. Not
3 days after a Bill ot Pains and Penalties was brought
against him for running away front justice; arid
indeed, in most instances, if they looked at the
cases of Bills-of Altainder, they would find that
it was for mooing away from justice. The dis-
tinguishing feature of the present case however
was, that the object of negociation was to force
her Majesty to leave the country—to do what was
termed, in Parliamentary language, flying- from
justice; and iu the event of her Majesty's ,com-
pliance site was to be rewarded—rewarded for
leaving the kingdom with that. wilier) was always
intended to maintain her in proper state and dig-
nity ih it.--(Hear !)—With reference to the doc-
trine held with respect to the Illustrious Perstan7
age, who was illustrious as well from her ances-
tors as 110111 her station, his opinion was; that she
was as the first subject of the State, liable tO im-
peachment, it in her station she were so to abuse
her power as to create a public evil. He hail the
authority of Lord Somers,. at least, ft.ir this doc-
trine. Of all the precedents that had been-brought
forward in the discussion of this tnatter, he eon•
tended there was not one in favour of the present
case; but that in those cases where • there was
any analogy, it was all against the appointment
of a Secret Committee. This Part of the proceed-
ing was not at all necessary, and was very grievous
tOstile party concerned. '['here Was a. strong con-,
trast between the conduct of Ministers on the
present occasion, and on that of a late question
in some respect similar. He alluded to the case
of the juaucbcwr ,Nazistrutes! .Wligp it wll3

to jrnpeaeo them, it wa3 Itrepuousiy
cfied-out—that an inquiry would )e prejudging
the case.—(Cheers, Heir, hear !)---\lotv, how-
ever,.they -different- refused -to
liver) to the.conplainls made on all sides, of pre-
judging the, cause of the aci.used, in going into
an inquiry on ex•parte evidence. He called on
the House to think of the consequences which the
taking this unnecessary step would have on the
minds of the Country. -Hecould,,not bear to
think of the appearance this would have to. the
Country, after the conduct of the House of Com-
mons. Would it not be ;said that alter a vain
attempt to saddle that high spirited aninral' with-
the burthen of the whole matter, they had
been obliged to come back .to that House..as
hack that would bear- all the driidgery, and do
all the dirty. work of Government. He confessed
that he had .seen with regret the name-of the
Archbishop of Canterhuty as one of the persons
appointed to constitute the Committee that indi-
vidual appearing as the responsible Adviser of the
Crown in the act•of remOving her Majesty's name
from the Littogy, l.n conclosion,'he assured their
Losthhips that if ever he was in earnest in the
course of his Pathamentary life, he Was.on the
present occasion in deprecating the Secret Com.:
mittee.

The, Archbishop of CANTERBURYkiIt himself
called on to rise after what had fallen from the
Noble Lord. Ile thought the. Noble Lord was
not correct in his'opinion. Ile should be glad to
see the Act in support of his opinion it-he thought
it were true. The- only Act_ he knew of relating
to the subject was the Act 'of Uniformity ; Field
he was positive it was not there. lf,the Noble
Lord could not ,point our the very part from which
he" had taken Icis idea, he•shOuld'cotrclode it 'Was
a gratuitous asiertion. If-it could-be shewn that
his honour or character was in any way affected
by his belonging to this Committee, he would be
ready to resign that honour altogether.
Lord.lloLLANn explained, that he -was certainly
misinformed it the Right Rev. Prelate was not the
responsible adviser of the Act alluded to. He
underitood that no Act whatever could originate
with the Sovereign of the country': be must
tberfore have his Constitutional Advisers-, and in
that situation he conceived the Right Rev. Pre-
la!e to stand.

Lord Luitai;orit, Said, the alteration of the Ll-
turgy was the• act of the King'4 confidential ger-
Van:s, who had advised it, and who were prepared
to jiiitify its legality and irs expediency.— The
;et Was done iti the Co-uncil, and the Lords•of 'the'
Council who Were - present were perliaps strictly.
responsible; but in the: practice since the Revo-
lution, the acts done in Council were preceded by
advice on the part of the confidential ser-
vants, who were thus the peculiar object's of re-
fponsibility. - The Archbishop merely acted mi-
nisterially, and was obliged to execute the Orders
in Council.

Lord DACRE disclaimed the slightest intention
personally to offend 'the Rev. Prelate. lii bting-
ing forward the Petition -of her •Majesty,, he had
observed that spine of the Noble Lords who
formed the Secret committee, had in some, way
or other already formed an opinion. That the
Ministers who bad laid the Bag on iheTablemust•
have formed an opinion was- not denied ; but it
was doubted whether the Rev, Prelate was pledg-
ed on the subject, or whether he was the respon-
sible adviser of the imissioo of the Queen's name
in the Liturgy. Time Noble Lords onn-the other
sire might -assume the responsibAity, but they
could not divest the person who' was legally, re-
sponsible of that character. Irthe Archbishop
sAmbruitted the, alteration to the King, and re-
turaed to the Council and declared the King's
will, he was the King's adviser; and though
not removable, was impeachable fur badiadviCe.
Lord LiVERPooL again explained. The alter-
ation of the Liturgy was made by the declaration
of the King in Council. It might he a question
whether. all the Lords present at the Council were
not strictly respOnsible ; hut as in reality the de-
claration was ina‘le in all cases by time' advice of
the Cummittee of the Council, generally called
the CaLitset, they were the persons on whom Par-
liament would fix the responsibility:' As for the
Right Rev'. Prelate, he, in communicating • the
order to his clergy, had no discretion left hiln• .

Earl GREY:said; the Reverent) Prelate, in 'cnni-
rrtn,icating the Order •in Council to his clergy,'
acted ministerially,'and might not be for that act
respOnsible. But in signing it; as a Privy:Conn-
calor, be unquestionably shade himself responsible ;
for he .(Earl Gtey) apprehended than the Parlia-
mentary, power of impeachment was held not only
to check pernicious advisers, bitt to deter any per-
sons front executing illegal commands. Though,
therefore,.the
_Cabinet Ministers were the pet suns
more peculiarly responsible, yet no one who had
lent himself to the execOtion by his signature
could be exempt from responsibility. in some
cases, indeed, it. was necessary to address the
Crown :o learn who were its advisers, as in the
case of a negative given to Bills, for then no sig-
narure appeared; but to acs of the CdOncil there
were the signatures of the Councillors—r Not al-
ways," from Lod Liverpool, "iot in this easel;
at least there was an entry in the Council Books
'of the Lords present.
The Earl DARNLEY said, that he did not rise to
snake any remarks', but to state, tl,tat, as the ad-
vice of the Ministers to omit the name of the
Queen from the Liturgy was the cause of the pre-
sent embarrassment of Parliament, if no other
Lord better oinaliied to do it justice took up she
subject, he should call the attention of the House
specially to is.
The House 'then divided, when the numbers
were-7

Contents
Non-Contents lO2

Majority
Adjourned at a Qolrter to Twelve

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

COLCHESTER AND WOOTTON BASSET PETITIONS.
The Houle was occupied until five o'clock on
Ba!jots for Conunitteri3 on the Colchester and
Wootton Basset Election PetitionF.
Nr. LEY WOO up • the naloca of. the Col-