The Sun.
London, England, 1811-03-14 00:00:00

INSOLVEN. DNITORS.-

The tionse having rosolVeLl it'sell into a Commit-
tee on- the permanent Bill respeating Insolvent Deb=

tors,
Earl !STA'.ItIOPE rose to express his dissatisfariion
with the
.piotisions of the Bill, the principle of
which be was not withstanding anxious to support.
To Many of the different clauses of the Hill he had
strong Objealoll4.- To thefirst clause in the 13.11,
that Which. weA to the appointment of only oue
person to preside in the proposed Court, he must
particularly objet. He should, prefil the suggestion
offered on a former occasion by a Noble and Learn-
ed Lord, that three or four persons should be ap-
pointed instead of one; sirnpl)r. for this reason, that
where three or four presided,
-ided,justice was, mire hit-
. partially and properly adrniniStered than where'ordy
one presided. Be'sides, it was, well known that the
time and attemionof the Lord t hancellor *cre
oth6twise, so miich epgroi,eql that he, could not, in-
tl,el it yt/7.15' impossible for him to give the time and
attention it required to the traroMion of the bank-
rupt busi4ss. 'lle should therefore' imagine that if
three or more tit persons were ,'appointed to the
Coort proposed'hy tto' business of bank-
opts migitt be safely transferred to that court, and
thus relieve the''Lard Chaneellar from, that
at iobitiplied,husiness'bV which it was,cvident th;it
the Ninile and tearned'UnTd ruust be ,eocumbercd.
tie bad also to obje4 to the ciaose which proposed
an oath, in the urst instance, to be taken by,the
debtor, instead of ttfloWing bun to give in a sone.
anent of his -effkas, which h might afierwarda be.,
called upon to confirm by bath. To take the oath
io the tiro. ipStaore, When it-colleCtion might 'not,
serve him tomate minutely and accurately the ex-
sit number of his creditors, the sums WhiCh were
respeaively due to them, &c. together With adetail-,
ed and correet account of his own estate and 'clitials,
would have the efrea-of makios him liable to Per-
jury, or at least_ to the suspicion of Perjury.' The
Porto of the oath was besides too lonifrandlrtight bo
wholly unintelligible:: to that class Of persons', ponr
Debtors, by Whom it was to betaken'. Here, moil-
over, was art unriecessary addition to the many paths,
rexcise oaths, Custom-house oaths, &c. which Lit
trio much familiarised people with that Sacred and
awful declaratioo, on which was known to depend
the life, the property, arid the ehatader of individur
els.' A scbedule ,delivered iii by the debtor of:his
effo,eis appeared to hint to he lie more simple and
efiectoot in thw correctness of which seheduld
he might beshrwrwards called upon 10 confirm on
(mill, ,The, Noble, Earl 0140 objected to the 'clause
„which oblig4it the 4'eidor to remain in gaol three'
Months before lie shoolcfas ail hi tusylf of the prai,
tious of the Bill. He thong!!t t better to allow
hint immediately to i„.fve notice of the state of his
oflairs,• as; in,that case, the .creditor .0.14 d have the
ftill,advantage of a.threeteuotiis nattce, whit, the
debtor would not be onnvetil/23141*4
that period,' These ittggoiti::,ntilirtool; the liberty of
throt,itn;v: otg ex; ilckisivt of his wadi), cipininn,
thboo wonid t ot rake the some of 'tho'llott,,e tin
thc ittrnvltactiettot winch he inter:ded tea pro Pose—
. Nc!Otts Earl concluded p ith ing, his first
arnendment; that f‘ three, instead of Onefitlreystni,".
be appoioted.to ruside in the proposed Court..
Lord lisneso:ue was 'tint very tenacious of the
provisions of the ar> they now stood, so as the
"Zgemcd:w,endrnehts did not trench on the princi-
ple, or tkpL..ct from the precedatni,om • which the Bill
sva flamed and founded, 1.16 criold set no.neee4
ty, at Icast noinitnediattli necessity, lot the appoint.
meat of threi:,., itead of one fit per Sort to reiiide it)
the Court. If one per Son should he found C'omp,l-
- to the tas.k it imposed, why appoint thrtto or
four, espeteally at a time .when- economy was's°
nee: s a y, ail .0, frequently Inculcated for if could
not be expeOted that s periion, qualified far the'dis-
ehaige i,t such itnportam Itnialuns, Mirada bestow
time and labour op the discharge of such func.
lions, tkiihoui tits adequate remunorlition Th t
remuneration must be extended.to.three- ibst6d'ut
one, if thieeintitead of one Were to he employed:
and thus the hutthen it the public would be untie-
cOs;trily dOubled, As to the ohjeetion of proposing
oath to the first instance, ho could stie tun foun-
dation for it. In froleing the present , Bill, hi. had
coristuiyin his eye the provisioos of farmer Insol-
vent Acts, in all Of wliich a 0:1th wale
getibcdt. without 8306ti011
of that natrue, he was at a h..•):6 too .vide
a{ door might not be qpened,to fraudulent instead.
of the unf ,rinitite debthr, or how the justice that
was due to the haneht creditor. cotild he faidrand
sunformly maitit;lined. Oath, besides, coold
not make any man liable to pedory, unless: where'
o ith wao detiOertae:y and corruptly taken ',with
evident intention to defraud. For these reasons lit.
thought the clauses 'of the WI justified by the me...
(Ives.and precedents on which they rested tar,
fl„ic'cver, its lie.COUld tilt r lktil.cimtilitently with'
Inc. views he had taken of their propriety, he would
willinelvtheist alter oo the better suggestions of any.
N„ble Lord, He hail' hirmelf many Amendanents
art propose in the and %.4Jould therefore 'be the
more prepared to hAtun to the Amendments pro-
.po,ed fly other Noble Lords.
that he b-d been
STAnnort compiained
to s ei-dreserned by the Noble and Learned Lord,
!!!tit of ilk objettions no atistivt r what.
.co,2ver i,ad beeo 1 wrq.,;:d still insist that
it rti „I',,ord in tie iir. t ttlit,Mce to propose all
,-)6r t40‘1411, it rotgiit not lt.ive the eff4t of

making the debtor pljure himself, it would had
him to f9rswear which, in Ilk opinion, was
making fight of the most serious and solemn 'obliir
gptiolt by "bicli was possible tar m 0,14 'bind
himself.

Lord„ .HOLLAND, agreed that there was much
wqight lu many of his Noble Friend's observations,.
but they could not induce hint to etl,niger. o,e pass-
ing of the Bill. He was so wedded tnthe
of it, 'that he Would overlook many imperfections is,
'it, rather than not have semetsiing 01 what it aimed
at. If absolute perfection could not be immediately
attained in' such matters, what wa less objectiun
ahle'ihould in the mean lime be adopted,: until they
might 'gradually arr,ve at that Netection which
every Noble Lord must 'feel be so desirable. He
should not therefore oppose the Bill, hoping, liow• ,
ever, ti at the Noble and Learned Lord who brought
it in, "Would exert his abilities te'render it
as uuub-
je~.fsun<thle as po,sible.
,
The Lean CH A NCH t. Emit supported tne Arguments
of Lord Redesdaie:—He the tight the proposing of
an oath in the firs4Linstance IGu 01,11) practical moda
of proceeding under All the Circumstances of , ihe
eAs,!, flow else could any thing iike correct state-.
mesas be esq)eeted Ao be given
...in by, debtors, who,
in the diGrent and distant prisons of the enutury,
could not be examined as tafiii or unfair statements.
of the antuunt ofthetr etttts in the chief towns of
their respective Counties ? Ought it Pot moreover
so be a patonal•consideration with their Lordships
that no facilities should be afforded to the prejudice
of the honest creditor ?

Lord HOLLAND COMplailled a the expreSsion
" the honest creditor," aS if it insintLited that those
who felt for the' untormate debtor battiest sighLof
the claims of the honest creditor.

The Loan dbelaitued any intention
of imputing such motives to any Noble 1.,0rd i and
obst.:rved, that as•the Noble and Learned Lord who
brought in the 13111 had tnany Amendthents to pro-
pose, whether. it might pot tie better, to allow that
Noble and Learned Lord now to propose his Amend-
ilient9; than to have the Bill as amended by kin
printed, and afterwards • to re-coMmit it as thus
amended,' for the, further consideration of their
Lordships,

.After some further cbservationsfrom Lords STAN-
iloptt and Hot.l.Atin, the suggestion of .the Lurd
CtititictAlor was adopted. The House resumed. :Die
• Bill, its amended, I.vas.ordered to be printed, and to
Ue recommitted on a future day.
•• House next resol►-ed itself into a Committee
.on :the Arrest Bill, when a similar mode of proceed-
in it was proposed and adopted.
A Message, from the CoMmons brought up the
Marine Mutiny BIN ; which was'read•a lust time.
Adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
WEDNESDAY, MARC;II 13.

Mr. MELListr postpone:l the second reading of the
New The'atte Bill to the I Bth initant ; and the
8e4:011(.1 rt&tdiug of the Grand JoStion Canal Bill to
the 21st.
_ _

'The Report of the Commissioners Of Mili-
tary Inquiry was presented, and 'ordered to lie on
the table".

The Islington Burying Qround Bill was read
third tirnc, and passed..
The sopr Drawback Bill was read a first and se-
cond tinie,
The Dublin Coal Trade Bill, and
.tho
"Wile Sireeni Bill, went tiqough Committees,
and the Itevun uas ordered to be received to-
nioirow,

Iri4 Sogar Drawback iiill wasread a sedoad
time, ilu,f eigmiiitieti fur to-wOrrow:

The HO) at Maine Motinyl3dl • was read is third
time, and passed. •

INFORMATIONS EX-OFFIcIO.

Lord FOL4SToNE saki, that as time was ar-
rived whets the notices 'should' tome 'on, and the
Mentioets, most particulaily concerned in 'his in-
tended motion upon the subjett of ex-officio • 1n..!
formations,' Were not in their plates, he should Move
that the House should now adjourn, at the 'same
time giving. notice that he would bring forward the
same motion on Thursday next... - • • •
Mr. BANJOSS wax of Opiiitori that a considerable
degree, of inconvenience would result .froin- agraint
to the motion of adjournment, .as Lore. Wits softie
public business standing tor this day, which ought
not to be impoded itr us progress through the
House.

Lord FOLKSTONE said, that the ground upon
w hie!) ho-trade the motion was the nature of, the
new arrangement. He had liven regular
that on. this day he should. bring the subjett of ex-
dficio Informations by ,the Attorney and Solicitors
General under the consideration; Of -the House.—
This was the day when, according to the newJtr-,
rangement, notices took place of orders, and ler,
thou,gh it was now fite o'clock, the Gentlemen
were not come down, and several notices were gone
through.
The CUANCELLoit of the Extuactuert said, he
was sure that the House would .not agree to an ad-
journMent in the present inrtance, as he had himself
given notice of a ruction upon Exchequer Bills. It
the Noble thought proper, he might pailtpon4
his rnotion to a fature day.
Mr; ABERCHOUBM r thought that no' Member
Should omit an opportunity of exposing the iricon
venience resulting frotn the late arrangement intro-
duced, by, the Chancellor of the Exchequer. It was
4enerolly understood that Wednesday Was not •a day
14 business and the absence of the Attorney and:
Sackers General had placed the Noble Lord in an
extraordinary situation, for he UMW now postpone
his Motion until after the. Orders of the thy were
disposed of, or bring it on in the absence of those
Oentlenten who were principally interested in the
discussion.

Lord Fut aSTONt agreed to withdraw the motion
of adjournment, and said, that in the course of the
evening he would paine a day for the motion he had
noticed for thii night.
Mr. U DAvis said, that he held in his hand The
"[Awning Post, in winch it w2'3 btileti; ttist the
Treasurer' of the Ngivy, in .the course of n form, r.
detysie, reprc3etitt..d, that six hanktujiteie hakt 101;en
place in the L,ny of in 170. Thu. woi-thi

of theTreasorer of the Navy were, that six bank-
ruptcies had taken place in the,n6ighhourhood of
,Bristol, and he (Mr. H. P.) felt it necelisary„for
the credit of that City, that the fact should. be so
understood. He was Mire, from the charadof
of the Editor, he would be ready to correct this
mistake.

The SPEAKER wished to know,. whether the
Honourable Gentleman submitted it to the House
for tor the in ofinstituting any proceeding
upon

Mr. 1-1. I)Avls said, that h:ivitig theiaiuned the-
circumstance, he should !cave it there.
• FtiNDE.D EXCHEQUILR BILLS.

The House having resolved itself low a Com-
mittee,

The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER said, that
It was not his intention to enter into any lengthen.
ed discussion at the present moment Of it' were
thought necessary that such discu4sion should take
place; an opportunity would occur in some.future
stage. He should now state the :..um to be funded
iri Exchequer-Bills, the day in which tenders should
be received, 'and the amount to be paid in stock,
lie waS desirees of trying this, year, whetter the
funding in the five per cents, might not be carried to
:a greater extent thau it waX last year, The amount
was then 8,000,000, which he should change in the
present year t0,t2,000,000. 'He would propose,'
that all bills issued from the fast day of April )810,
to the Kith day of March 18i I, and tarried to the
Exchequer between the 21st' and of this.
month, should be entitled (or every 1001. sterling,.
to 1031. 14s, 7d. put of the 4 per cents., , 'At the
period of the last ldan, the 5 per pmts. were in; the
Morning of that day at j 7, since,thers there was no
great change. This day they w4-re at 97 and a quar-
ter. Calculating the sons at 1011. 7•. 4d. and the.
interest' at 78. the person would, have a bonus of
148.
,This he trusted would be considered sufficient
encouragettenr. 'He concluded with moving two
Resolutions—the first providing, That every, person
who brought bills issued from ,thelst of April i 810,
the Ilith of MarchlBll, and carried the same to
the 4xehequer between the 21st nod 27th of this
month, should be entitled to receive for every One,
hundred pounds, 1031.' 148: 74. the' interest com-
mencing in January last, to be paid out of the con-
solidJted fund. The second Resolution provided,
that the interest should not exceed ten shillings..
After a few words from Mr. BARING nod the
'CHANCELLOR of :the EXCHEQUER, W 1341 Weie'llol:
audible in' the Gallery, the Hianoe resumed, rind,the
Report was ordered to be received to-rnotrow.
Mr. RYDER moved for leave lo bring'in a Bill to
indemnity Magistrates for making enriiiments for,
the Militia after the usual tithe, and for making stieh:
enrolments valid.—Leave being granted, the Bill
was broUght in and read a first time, and oidered to'
be read a ieCond time 04 Monday next.
Lord TEMPLE wished to know 'whether [bele
was any provision in that, or in any other pit, to
make the counties accountable fOr the,deAciencie
the qe,itg.?
Mr; mid there was a provision to Ih:4ft:f-
-lea in the. present Bill; which impoXed a penalty of
401. for dveiy man.

Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY 1119 t,
.80le Aill4,
tedin the Criminal Law, stood tor to.moriow, end
he took this opportunity of apprising the How;e,
that, however' hne 'the hilur, he should inure the
second react ng of them.
Lord EOLIciTONEIOVC notice, that it was his ;11-
te:l6oa to persist hi his motion to-rnoirow.
The ATTURN Elc-GENEtt AL said, he.was sorry that
in courtesy to him the motion, of t!;e Noble Load
'had been postponed ; he was utravoidAty detained
to that moment, and it was the first tit.leThat 81.11
tt thing.had happened to him.

114r.,WHITBah4o moved for a comparative atflte-
mew yl the Dl:itios on GOOtIS waiellquied in Ire Lanni
in the }ear 1810.

. .
'file CllA.Natt..olt of the Exottutiviiit anbiilitted
several' Resolutions in the Committee. of Siippij,,
for the purpow ole,tinalising the Duties betwsx,i,
M tit and Sugar Spirits iti Scotland. 'fbe Reso)u-
tioni were agreed to, and the Report ordered to be
received tb.inoriow. ' .

Mr. 4i. MAUTIN postponed the consideralion of
the hinters Petition to Tuesday next.
Mr. MI:LLIsn brought up a Petition against the
Coniniesemi DOck Bill, which was ur•dured.tu lie on
the. table.
Adjourned till to-morrow.