The Sun.
London, England, 1842-07-26 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, Ttl4lls4 Fiviodiv-7-, JULY 26, 1842.

this a•
; aught notao.be made the. subject of discussion
ire Papersparties who felt
; us that
f,r'e'vett iraust either apply to the Executive Go-
h!,!;;Itoot, or. to Parliament. Now application
irigttr3aktAlade to the Execotive f Government, and the
--ses One Vtronet,after having more or less carefully
e``l)4tOesaid'the case, dthoughtproper.not to interfere.
a
Then for the course pursued by the Hon. Member for
buts4l4r,),,---an application to Parliament—they had the
tineliest legal authority in another part of the kingdom.
~,
non.. Baronet had taken upon himself to determine,
"• ether a meeting was lawful or unlawful ; he had
stated that parties were entitled to arrest_ others, if they
thought they were going to commit a breach of the
Peace ; now this, put him in mind of what he had been
t?id ()f a party playing at cards; one of the party thought
the other was secreting the ace of spades under his hand,
Lie. instantly picked up,a. tux*, and run it through his hand,
sett said, I beg your pardon, if you have not the ace of
;tattler it.--(;)pear, hear.) If one individual had
tuts litother house, and that information
,_e.Ylo,lo6ale6eisettilsle,:that officer would be justified
in.q*:
.114, (Lord Palmerston) under-
• rAtim-:htkpasield, at this meeting, he was con-
ad OW- doCgmes of a highly objectionable nature
Z, brought ;forward,: -but
:those doctrines were upon
lions, :whether certain classei were better
41111 (Airs ; he thought it a dangerous position to
'3"thhtib. thAt constables were, to be judges of whom they
11,,ttlil arrest, and whom they should. not. Why, he
Ivonld ask, did not constables take down the words? he-
!'aus.es if they did so, the law afforded the means of bring-
;!la• improper parties to justice. For these reasons, be-
i"i'nig that sufficient ground had been shown for in-
and as his Hon. Friend had omitted part of his
'4`)tien, lie should vote 'for ite because he considered it_
Showed that the House thought the matter afforded sufii-
sista ground for further consideration.—(llear, hear,)
't; lir- VILLIERS thought that the present applica-
-4•
4' was a very reasonable one, as everything oh-
Jeetionable had been withdrawn. His lion. Friend html
keyed for depositions, those depositions containing the
4retinds on which the constable had acted. It must be
all • „
Ratko by all that it was important to know upon what
^T,,,untis it was that the meeting was broken up.—
I',etire). It was true that it was the province of Parlia•
tTilt to, amend the law ; but how, lie would ask, were
• "to do so, unless they had the evidence upon which
It was broken ? lie should therefore vote for the motion.
EIVAIrf supported the motion.
h Mr. M. PHILIPS denied that any implements had
eeik exhibited in the way that had been stated ; it
have been so stated in evidence, but such was not
fact. At the same time, he thought the case was
."" which called for inquiry, it being improper fur the
''"l4stablp to interfere as he hail done.
e''us traegers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
e:dividee, when there appeared-7
for the motion
Against it ll6
Majority against the motion -84
DUBLIN C01.:111S BILL..
hi reply to a question from Mr. SIIEIL,
"Is CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER con-
sented to postpone the above Bill till Thursday.
DISTRESS IN IRELAND.
~()4 the motion for going into Committee of Supply,
SHARMAN CRAWFORD rose, in pursuance
' betice, to call the attention of House to the present
distressed condition of the poor of Ireland. The Hon.
t
etalernan said that in Ireland the pardians had no
rl
er to administer any outdoor relief to the poor of
eie'ud; and he wished to know what was the intention
J „ ever 'mMajestys Government with respect to that sub-
,e'et• lie had ade statements of distress on former
,Z4sions in Carlow, Clare, Mayo, and other places
tieh had not been denied ; that distress had rather
-eTased than decreased. The Hon. Gentleman then
e,
el' a document stating that 500 families in
•4,. district were in a state of destitution.
110-Airear.) He had received similar accounts from
art. The distress in that town was on the in-
tilease, and whatever might be the price of food, its con-
jsitlianee appeared inevitable. In the west and south of
1-e'4od, the distress was amongst the agricultural class
tierth of Ireland it was amongst the manufacturing
/,, s- it. was said that the ('urn-laws had benefited
I.;„tl4nd- How could that be possible when so large a
Cti°a of the inanufa,cturing class were distressed ? In
cipinioil the Corn-laws nad done the greatest injury
101,1( rehaul.—(Hear, hear.) They had taught the land-
-w
proved
to depend on high prices instead of hooking to the
Zieproved cultivation of their land. The Corn-laws
es re injuring the trade' which was the great source
Prosperity in .the north. He was firmly persuaded
eat nothing would tend so much to benefit Ireland as
nl
repeal of- the Corn-laws.. It was absolutely necessary
-44.7 t before the recess of Parliament, means should be
bira to prevent the people from starving. The esablish-
ont of the Poor-law had cut off the poor from the usual
411 de of relief, namely, voluntary charity, and had thus
used great privation amongst the population. The
ouitni&iiuners had in some cases applied the prin-
Reples of the Poor-law so strictly that they would
ARA allow
-Xoluntarily the distribution of funds which were
contributed for the relief of the people.
Ale would submit it to the humanity of the House,
iwhether some means
;Ste condition of the Ought not to be devised to better
poor Irish. What, lie asked, was to
ecome of the poor in
the state of misery in which they
40. w were ? While the experiment of the Irish Poor-law
‘l'as being worked out, lie implored the House to adept
~49t tie meansof rescuing the distressed people from star-
'titti')a• He wished he could g 4 the Right lion. Baronet
pledge himself to .have Loci Irish Poor-law revised
'
At, see-siert.. Though not. an Irish representative, he
"Nu sidered that his countrymen had not the less claim on
eis _
titliiervices thembehalf. The Hon. Gentleman con-
_ r `„',4 by moving that the distressed state of Ireland
the immediate attention of the House and her
itesi"'dts's Government, with the view of adopting such
ir,4,''tres as might be, deemed most desirable under the
tit eiretimstaoaea*.extreme .destitution among the
elazses in trhat,cp.unttry.
FIELDEN• secondedtine motion.
le ("r(1 ELI OT would not remainailent on this question
11',", fie should be supposed wanting in respect to the
et.A. Gentleman who brought forward the motion, orT void
woll'g N
ors for the subject-now under discussion. o one
te-fitild more thait he respect the conduct of
1 Honourable Gentleman as a resident land-
and while he (Lord Eliot) gave him credit
et entertaining feelings of compassion for the state
le,h_the poor in Ireland, and a desire, to alleviate it, he
SrPv(l the lion. Gentleman would give credit to the
Aih Government for entertaining similar feelings. The
~,"nbers of the Government -in Ireland had adopted
iiil/4!Y measure consistent with their duty to remedy the
htt,ress which prevailed in that country ; but he con-
ael•4"',l that that distress was but partial, anti similar
what had occurred in the South and South-western
Millll Western districts of the country at this period of
.14'e Year, for the last three or four years. (The Noble
read an extract from a communication from Mr.
~j'ffiths, Superintendent of the Boundary Department
this Ordnance Survey in Ireland, showing that agri-
aketure was steadily improving, aid that in a short time
Pe'ople's condition would be greatly ameliorated.)
rusted the House would not concede the granting of
stlitle ,sloor relief,
as it would tend greatly to increase
•ate,
;'liter a few words from Major BRYAN and Mr.
Itn..xen
0 CONNELL said he was not sure that any
it Jt-I,t would be attained by continuing the discussion as
Nils at, present conducted. He thanked the Hon.
;siember for Rochdale for the feelings evinced in bringing
tctward his motion, and the Hon.-Member for Oldham
1i i Fielden) for supporting the motion, which, though
-'ll
saw no practical results likely to flow from it, lie
' 1
(I support in case the House divideupon it. lie
odenmed the application of the Poor-1 w as a panacea
Zt the distress of any country, but especially for
a.ts t .of a country circumstanced as Ireland was.
ge Noble Lord, the Secretary for Ireland, read a pro-
te
sta'aq of the future amelioration of Ireland.' lie (Mr.
pro-
e,, had often heard such prophecies. The Re-
`"",„.l t of the Committee which• sat in 1830, held out
anticipations of the future condition of Ireland,
341"1. wo years after, when the people came tau be enu-
al:ll4ed, there were found to be. 2300,000 ppers in
thesetiotry, The lion. Member for Oldham regretted
4t the Act of the 43d of Elizabeth was not applied to
Howrould it? At the time it ought to have been
,41)1:••ed, her troops .were putting in execution the recoils-
ALtAation► of the poet Spencer, to destroy the harvests,
AL-InikWas not until that practice was employed that Ire-
.;l7,l94..was,perfectly
.subjugatccL that to have the 43d
„1,-,l4iza,heth applied to Ireland was, lie should have
ht, a flight even beyond the poetic imagination of
•-,'sltoneMetnber for Oldhatn..7-(Laughter.) lie did
;L'li,Agree..with the Noble Lund that the present dis-
E4e was siMilar to that which had occurred be-
4,;iri -Ireland, and the Ilan. Member for Kilkenny,
fit►
-shad claims upon the Irish people, as an excellent
i'dent laudlord, had given hie ,testimopy upon that
• ;there—ware periods, when there Wed:less. pro-
earrttess than at present, Out there..never "was a: Period
,eSti (litre. was greater:Sinability-
. ins" the part of the
rPle .to purchase foodaa-(llfeer, hear.)., 11 fiat' was
: Lisa - evert of having -fO-o(l'cheav," if „there, Were ni,
o!tif.iiurchuSing eltitutnstanee4 of Ireland
•0„, 4soidiatel sheath like to sepahe perSoo, who
arTgek point out the real causes ef her disiress, and still
!irpr'44lle person who would point out the proper remedy.
ea)Vill,,eiut think the Pour-laws were that remedy.
eshelAteleeontrary, he ventured to anticipate that when
seteistalseearne universal, it would be met by a more
,-Ilt'gttinari. resistance than any other.—(Hear, hear.)
taZaooired great sagacity, combined with great ho-
-nit.seY t legislate for Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) At
It4ent the distress was very severe and very extensive,
te,t' II!' was bound to say that there was no locality where
aa„, -distress was severe that the Irish Governtnent did
ecv*ft utford relief.—(llear, hear.) He mentioned that
-'nth Pleasure. There were many causes for melancholy
a,,•etion the Irish 1 tor-law. One consequence of
a:44.4)00r-law was that it kept the able-bodied labourers
sie,h,`"lue to support their aged parents, and prevented
este'4l.:4oin emigrating to places where labour was better
irre,,,,`lNed. There was no country in the world where the
s7HY. ties were stronger, and they would not, unless
aktef,ed by the strongest necessity, allow tneir parents to
"4,l4l.e.?Wollthouse.7—(llear, bear.) He would not.
ealiKe ~,111) the eof the House any linger, but he begged
Xll :itlt"hs,Vriend to withdraw his motion, having obtained
clesiired by it.—(Hear.)
Isikster'lN •10.W.F011.1) acceded to the call made upon
e isletiaeliight Hon. Gentleman.
`J I 490,40 n was then withdrawn.
'Ls DISTUSS IN FORFAR.
r Isaid tbfq, Wore the House went into
quratittee, he wi.thed c4ll its attention to the state
410.,,,'?•f55. Since the discussions which took place relit.
L? the distress of the country, he received commu-
anon, from „
xoriar,
requesting him to do all in his
"r to obtain relief for that place. He did not know
Aythin
winch would lie.more likely to do that than the
le4i7.Lois el the ports, which could only be a temporary
-- 6
'4
‘'l till tlte Corn-laws ere repealed. He had no con-
„ fba that the distresws was so extensive there.

PPLY. „ •
Th 3 House then went into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. C-iREENE in the. chair,
10,500/. was voted for the Dublin Society.
23,463/. for the salary and expenses of the Chief
Secretary and Privy Council.
On the vote of 12,4331. for the expens:s of the Lord
Lieutenant's household being proposed,
Mr. HUME said he did not see what of was ob-
tained by the office of Lord Lieutenant. He heard that
the Nobleman who exercised that office in Ireland at
present was about to be recalled, and he hoped that no
person would be sent to take his place.
Sir H. PEEL said, that so tar from his Noble Friend
being withdrawn from the Government of Ireland, his
conduct in the administration of that country had met
with the decided approbation of her Majesty's Govern-
ment. The duties of his Noble Friend were so many,
and his zeal in performing them was so great, that he
was obliged to leave Ireland to restore his health.
Mr. HUME said that the object he had in view was,
that the Noble Loll inigbt.haye full time to restore his
healtlit ttnd to relieve WO itiblit front -the expense'othis
of6ce.—(Laughter.)
Thei_vote was thet ilgreed to. -
4,8191 was voted for theliitytient of the civil service:
in Ireland.
:1,980L for the printing and publishing of pfooliatit-'

On 35,6 0/. being proposed for the pnytterit of 'Non;:
conformist and ThisentingMinisters in Ireland,
Mr. MIME said he did not see 'how the' Disenters
could, consistently with their, principles, receive this
money. • -
Dr. BOWRING agreed with what had fallen from
his lion. Friend.
Sir G. CLERIC said that the ministers in the North
of Ireland were differently circumstanced-from the Pres-
byterian ministers of Scotland.
Sir R. PEEL thought the lion. Goldman was wrong
in supposing that there was any violation of the con-
science in receiving this money.—(Laughter.) If • any-
individual felt it a violation of his conscience to receive
this money, he had an easy remedy by refusing it.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the question that a sum of 90,000/. .illottld be
granted to her Majesty to defray the expense of criminal
prosecutions, and other law charges,
Lord ELIOT, in answer to n, • question from Mr.
Hume, stated that, in future, the law-officers of the
Crown in Ireland, instead of bring paid by fees, would
be remunerated by salaries, which would effect a great

saving.
The vote, after a short discussion, was agreed to.
35,600/ was voted for defraying the charge • of the
Public Offices, and the Metropolitan Police 44, Dublin.
2,714/. was voted to defray the expenses of Public
Works in Ireland.
5,0001. was Voted for the Town Survey of Ireland.
On the motion that a sum of 13,001)/. should lw granted,
to defray the charges of the Comn&sioners for the im-
provement of the river Shannon,
Mr. F. FRENCH objected to the expenditure of so
large a sum of money,. and complained of a violation of
the Act of Parliament by the C munissioners.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER defended
the vote. In the filture proceedings of the Commission,
it would be his duty to take care that its expenses were
as light as possible.
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know -- what was the whole
atuottnt required to comolete. this obieet ?
The CHANCELLOI. of. the -.;;'_CHEQUER said
540.0001 altogether, of which was to be found
by Goverament, and the rest by the counties.
Sir R. PEEL thought that what had fallen from the
lion. Member for Roscommon, was a discouragement to
the Government to make grants of public money for local
improvements —(Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. FRENCH observed that the scheme was com-
pulsory in the county of Roscommon. They knew
nothing at alt of the Act, until they were called upon to
contribute their money.
Mr. HUME recollected, perfectly well the, Hon. Mem-
ber for Roscommon supporting the Bill when it was
brought forward . by Mr. Spring Rice.—(Hear, hear.)
The public had performed their part of the contract, and
he did not see why the country gentleman should not
perform theirs.
After a few words from Lord ELIOT and Mr. M. J.
O'CONNELL, the vote was agreed to.
A vote of 3,500/. was then proposed for defraying the
expenses of postage,- for servicas 'connected with the
census of the population of Ireland.
Dr. BOWRING inquired When it might be expected
that the Report of. the Commissioners would be pub-
lished ?
Lord ELIOT replied (as we understood) that the
Report would probably be published in the course of
another month.
Mr. HUME expressed, a hope that the Government
would lay on the table of the House, in the course of the
next session an account of the expenses of taking the
census of the United Kingdom.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the account would be-laid -betiire Parliament as soon as
it was prepared ; but . it embraced various items and
could not be got ready without some delay,
The vote was then agreed to.
MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES—THE CALE-
DONIAN CANAL.
Sir G. CLERK said ha should next move certain Mis-
cellaneous Estimates, and he should commence with the
vote for the Caledonian Canal. It was the determination
of the Government to recommend the adoption of the
recommendations of a Report which had been laid before
the House for:deepening and improving the Canal, and
insuring through it a quick and certain transit. The
works would cost, it was calculated, 150,000/., and would
take three years. He proposed that .50,0001 be voted
for the expenses of the Canal during the ensuing year.
The vote hiving been put,
Mr. WILLIAMS rose to oppose the vote. He did
not think 'that the returns from the Canal Were ever
likelY to 'equal the proposed eNpenditure. ; and he felt
assured that a still greater outlay would yet be required.
He found that in a period of seven years the Canal had
cost 31;6631., or 4,523/; a year, while the tolls and dues
am6unted during the same period to no more than
18,781/., or 2,683/. per year ; so that the charge of
keeping-the-Canal was nearly double the returns which
it brought-in. The people of Scotland might he proud
of the . canal, and talk of it as a national work, but
be was, sure it Was' -one from which they derived
little or no benefit. It .was certain that the in-
habitants of the great commercial towns of the
empire generally looked upon the work as one of little or
no value. (The Hon. Member cited the resolutions of
the inhabitants of different towns in proof of this asser-
tion.) No improvement had taken place since the
vote was last before the House. He entreated the Com-
mittee before it voted this sum to pause; it was begun
as a job and us a job it would end. The Canal was of-
fered to Scotland by the Committee of 1833, and it was
refused. He called upon the Right Hon. Baronet in the
present distressed state of the country, not to sanction
such a waste of money.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said, though he had come
to a different conclusion from the Hon. Member, yet in
most of his observations he was disposed to concur. He
had wished to be relieved from the vote, and he thought
it would be for th'e benefit of the public if the Canal were
abandoned altogether.. He would say more, that he
thought the project was a very absurd one at its com-
mencement. Had it not been for the fortuitous circum-
stance of the application of steam power to vessels, the
canal would have been worth nothing. It would require
an expenditure of 40,0001., to destroy the canal, and there
appeared something. so, glaring in expending that
amount to destroy a work that cost more than a million,
that the mind did recoil from it. But he could assure the
Committee that this vote should not be supplied, unless
tinder a strict guarantee that the work should be completed
for that sum, or the canal should be abandoned altogether.
—(Hear.) Were the question now the commencement of
such a foolish work, he thought it ought not to be un-
dertaken even if it would only cost one-eighth of the
amount it had done.
Mr. HUME said the statement was a very candid one,
but he thought the first expense would be the best. In
1822 he hall urged the House to abandon it, and had re-
peated his objections in every subsequent year. If they
were to • expend 300,000/. the public would not
derive a benefit of 2,0001. a-year. it was of no
use, and the commercial community did not consider it
if any advantage. Vessels were often detained in it, if
the wind was unfavourable, for six or. seven weeks, and
the merchants preferred the voyage round, to the risk of
detention. Having cost so much, the question was,
should they throw away more ? lie thought thyy °tight
not.
After a few words from Mr. FITZJAMES and Ilk.
WILLIAMS, the vote was agreed to. •
10,300/. was voted for completing the Prison in the
Isle of Wight.
1,5001.' 'lO meet the deficiency in the funds • for the
erection of the Assembly Hall, at I;linburgh; Was Voted.
On the Vote of 31.1,0001; to defray the,ypdraceS2Con.--
tieeted with 'the new coinage,
lit. f3(;i~VI7.IVG ticked W..at amount of silver coin-
age had been. issued - .
The CHANCELLOR "of-the EXeilF.Qtrtit stated
-that there had been issued. from the Mint, 337,120 sove-
reigns,- and 419,006 list(-ieVeiggni;- and that the whole'
amount of silver issued 'was 260,000/.. including 86,000
half-crowns, and 334,000 shillings. .'Phis, together with
the issue of half-crowns that had taken place, would, he
hoped, remove the difficulty that had arisen from the
scarcity of silver, which, he was' happy to say, had much
diminished.
The vote was agreed to. •
1,4304 was proposed to defray the expense of purchas-
ing pictures for the National Gallery during the past
year.
Mr. HUME hoped a report would be printed, giving
the names of the parties who had recommended the pur-
chase of these pictures.
In answer to a question,
Sir R. PEEL said that the apartments appropriated to
the Royal Academy; were given to them in exchange
for the rooms which they had held in Somerset House by
Royal grunt.
After a very desultory. conversation, the rote was
agreed to.
THE STATUE OF GEORGE THE FOURTH.
On the motion that 6,300/, be granted to her Majesty
to defray Sir Francis Chantrey's, expenses of a statue of
George the FOurth,
Mr. HUME said that he did not think any statue of
George the Fourth was worth a shilling —(Cries of
" Hear, hear," and " Order.") The private estate of the
King ought to bear the expense.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the order for the payment bad already bean made by
a Treasury minute.
The vote was then agreed to.
THE CAMPAIGN IN SYRIA.
On the motion that 60,000/ he granted to her Majesty
to be distributed amongst the soldiers, sailors, -and Ma-
rines engaged in the war in Syria,
Mr. HUME objected to the vote, and requested to know
upon what principle tic money was to be distributed ?

The CHANCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER defended.
the-tote.' nThe services of the troops, military and naval,•
ha:d gained the'adadratien of all Europe.
Lord C. HAMILTON thought that the naval forces
engaged in Syria had already been sufficiently rewarded
by promotions and other means. Instead of rewarding
those who were engaged in Syria, they should rather re-
ward those who took no part in the war. lie was
astonished at the refirence to Navarino. At that
battle they had taught Mehemet Ali to be a rebel, whilst
at Acre they were punishing him for rebellion. He
hoped that the vote would not be agreed to.
Captain PECHELL supported the vote.
Sir CHARLES NAPIER said he had never heard
a more extraordinary argument than that used
by the Noble Lord opposite.—(Efear, hear.) He
would not propose a vote of this description in the
present distressed state of the country, but he would not
oppoSe it.--(Laughter.) The Noble Lord said, t'irosP
who were engaged in Syria ought to be satisfied with
the honour they obtained. What honour had the poor
Seidler received ?—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord
called it a gratuity. Why it would not pay for the
di6dies the soldier wore.r4Chtitril_ *ma/ not
par-
chate pair of ehOes for him. Were tholienium pre7
oted 'to refuse such a aural- Ife did not *I Bri-
tish Goterninent ought-to pay th spm of WOOL- at
but that it '• Ought to be paid by the Government of
Turkey:. Loud cheers.) They restored a. kingdom to
Turkey.—(llear, hear.) He was sorry they hail done
so. lie did not think she deserved t•.--(hear, hear.)
They also restored her a fleet, so that if the vote was
three times 60,000/., he thought it should be paid by
the Tadashi Government.—(hear, hear.) The Noble
Lord had said that it was net et war. If it was not a
war, he (Sir C. Napier) did not know what to call it, for
it was something very like it. •
Mr. HUME wished to know how many persons there
were to receive the motley. Ile understood there were
1,500 persons in the Mediterranean at the time. Ile
believed each person would not receive more than 4.•;. fid.
Sir G.COCIiBUIIN was surprised at the turn the debate
had taken. He believed that the men engaged in Syria
Would have done their duty, whether they were to re-
ceive this money or no.--(1 tear, hear.) The money was
only to be distributed amongst those actually engaged
in the operations of Ivan lie looked upon the war
in Syria, as one which was very creditable to the nation,
and the great operation of taking Acre reflected the.
greatest honour on those, who were engaged in it.
The vote was then agreed to. • _ _ _

1,6001. was voted to Mr. l,urney for his services in
assitiug to light thr. House.
On 159,5451. being. proposed for the disembodied militia
of England and Ireland,

"Mr. HUME said that the militia Was now in a very
inefficient condition. Ile did not see why the militia.
should nut be paid from the War office as well as the
regular soldiery.
Sir G. COCKBURN admitted that the militia was
not in such a satisfactory' state as formerly. Considerable
reductions had been mule in the expense ;of this body.
In 1830, a reduction of 93,0001. was effected ; and in
1833, a 'halter reduction of 33;000/ was made.

The vote was then agreed to.
• The CHAIRMAIN then reported progress, and obtained
leave to sit again this day.
A Message from the House of Lords brought up a
Bill, the title of a hich we did not hear, which was read
a first, and ordered to be read a second time on Wed-
upsday.'neit..
St. Briavel'c Small Debts MI was read a third
time a: :d

ST. :IS.PII AND BANGOR CATHEDRAL BILL.
On the motion fur going into Committee on this Bill,

Sir J. GRAHAM woven-that it should be committed
that day three months, and gave notice that he should
move to introduce a Bill to ec•ntiuue the Suspension
Act for one year.—Agreed to.
The. Ordnance Services Bill went through Com-
mittee, and ordered to be reported to-morrow.
The Court of Exchequer (England) Bill also went
through Committee, and was ordered to be reported on
Wednesday next:

The Bonded Corn Bill (No. 2) was reported. and
ordered to 'be etigrosed, and read a third time this day.
The Stamp Duties Assimilation Bill (Ireland) also
went through Committee, and was ordered to be reported
this day.
The Stamp Duties Bill was read a third time and
passed. •
The Game Certificates Bill (Ireland). was read a third
tune and passed, . ,
The Lunacy Bills went through Committee. •
The Grand Jury Presentments (Ireland) Bill was read
a third time and. passed.
Lord ELIOT obtained leave to bring in a Bill to alter
the number and define the boundaries of the several
baronies of the county of Dublin.
• Lord STANLEY obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
continue for two years the Western Australia Apt. - •
The-House then adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock.

DEPUTATION FROM THE ANTI-
CORN-LAW CONFERENCE TO SIR IL PEEL,
LORI) STANLEY, AND LORD WHARNCLIFFE.
A deputation from the Anti-Corn. law Conference consisting
of Mr. Pawson, the Mayor of Leeds, Mr. Holdforth of Leeds,
Mr. Alderman Chappel of Manchester, Mr. Gardener of Man-
chester, Mr. Ashton, Mr. Brook of Huddersfield, Mr. Akroyd
of Halifax, Mr. Biggs of Leicester, Mr. J. Walker of Bury,
Mr. Ashworth of Bolton,. Mr. Huole of Salford, and one or
two other gentlemen, waited upon the First Lord of the Trea-
sury yesterday at one o'clock for the purpose of laying before
the Right lion. Baronet an account of the distressed condition
of the country. The . Right Hon. Gentleman received he
deputation standing, in which position himselt as well as they
remained during the whole conference, which lasted precisely
two hours.
Mr. PAWSON. having stated that they were a deputation'
appointed to wait upon the .Right Hon. Gentleman to stare
once more the distress of the country, proceeded to state that
he had been for 40, years a resident of the tipper township of
Leeds, and was in the woollen line. He described
the distress of the poorer classes as most appalling,
so n.urli So, that the charitable people bad been induced
to raise subscriptions on their liebitlf At the first subscription
6,500/. was collected 4,'Wheti that:Was gone another subscription
was made, but -l',ooo/: more, was-all they could raise. When
that was e:shausted they established a soup kitchen, and the
eager clamour with which: the poor surrounded the doors
showed the distressed state in which they were for want of food.
Sir li. PEEL—Some, branches of the woollen trade are much
less depreciated than others, ate they not ?
Mr. estwson4—Yes, the fine Bluth is much more in demand
than the lower article.
Sir R. PEEL—The quantity of the lower article consumed
is greater this year than hitherto, is it not?
Mr. PAwsoN-4 believe it is as great.
Sir It. PEEL—What IS the chief market for your manu-
factures?
Mr. PAWSON—The home market and the American.
Sir R. PEEL—Has there been no indication of improvement
in trade within the last short period?
Mr.' PAwsose—No, sir, none.
Mr. HoLDFORTII stated that he was a silk spinner. He
was an old inhabitant of Leeds, and having been ever since his
boyhood identified with the working classes, he had noticed
progressively the changes which had taken place in their cir-
cumstances, and at no period did he recollect the working
class to be so deplorably depressed as at present. He had
traversed through numerous streets in the town, calling at
every house, and the wretched condition in which he found
them far exceeded anything he could have imagined. In
some families not an article of furniture or property could be
found, nor was food of any description whatever to be scent in
their dwellings; in another Le found four potatoes, and nothing
more, and in another nineteen potatoes and a herring. Most
of these people depended for their very existence upon a pre-
carious charity. Their condition now was infinitely worse than
at the beginning of the year, for they had nothing .now to fall
back upon ; their furniture was all gone; the clothes from
their backs were pawned to buy food. . One of the largest
manufacturers of that district, who manufactured plaids for the
American market, stated that until the present time for thirty
years he had never been without orders at this season, and now
he had not one ; and though upwards of 1,000 people were de-
pendent on him for support, he had not work for them to do.
Several mills had recently stopped working ; and one-third
less butcher's meat was slaughtered during the last six months
than usual.
Air. Pawsote stated that in Leeds, where the population was
between 40,000 and 50,0000, one-fourth of the inhabitants were
dependent upon parish relief.
S:r R. PEEL,-What kind of union is it?
Mr. P.awsost—The Gilbert union.
Sir R. PEEL—The New Poor-law has not come into force
then. You give out-door relief ?
Mr. PAWSON—We do.
Mr. CHAFFEE said lie was no party man, he was no poli-
tician, he had never given sixpence to any political purpose.
row ever would. He had been fifty years an inhabitant of
Manchester, and lie could soy that there never was such general
and hear-rending distress in that town as there was at present.
Not only were the poor suffering from the inability to procure
labour, but the capital of the manufacturers was melting like
scow before the sun. Only twelve years ago he himself pur-
chased a mill, which cost him between 30,000/. and 40,000/.,
and during the last few years he had been losing money
by it. He owed- no money, he paid no rent, he was
extraparochial and paid no rates, he was situated near
the spot whence the coals were excavated, and
if he, with all these advantages, and an experience of fifty
.years, could not but' lose money by his mill, he should beg to
suggest so the Right Hom Gentleman what must be the contlie
eion of,thiiSeWianufacturers-whO laboured under less'favourable
circumstances.- He bad been obliged to stop half of his ma-
chisieq, .and'he bid now :such a stock of .goods on hand, as
Woultitake" six months. ordinary sale to Aisilsnie.of. He would
jiiitqrriention the cases of a few other niihowners, which had
come under his own notice. A manufacturer of Stockport was
worth 90,0001. a few years ago ;..the whole of his property was
sold fur the b. hoof of his creditors a few days ago, and his son
was now an inmate of a union workhouse. In Derby a manu-
facturer, lately worth 200,0001., had just failed, and would not
pay one slelling in the pound. In Salford, a manufacturer,
paying an annual rental of 4,9001., employing between seven
and eight i.undred hands, and whose wages amounted to 4001.
a wet It, had stopped. Numerous other mills had stopped, each
of them turning out between seven and eight hundred hands.
The machinery belonging to one firm, which had stopped, cost
40,000/., it was valued to an incoming tenant at 22,0001. ; it
seas
7,0(
sultirv.ately sold under the hammer, by order of toe Sheriff,
for
Sir R. PEEL—What was the business carried on by the firm
that stopped for 200,000/. ?
Mr. CNA PPEL—It was a paper concern.
Sir R. PEEL—The paper trade in some districts, you know,
has not suffered the general depression. Is it owing to the
general depression in other branches that they failed?
Air. CIJAPPEL said he did not know what was the cause cf
the failure, not being in that line. He was a Director of the
Manchester and Birmingham Railway ; and a short time back
they found it necessary to take on between 40 and 60 hands—
engineers, police, porters, clerks, Sao„ and they received no less
than 1,`200 well written applications, accompanied with excel-
lent testimonials. The effect of the distress upon the morals
of the people was shocking; grown-up people of both sexes
were compelled by poverty to pass the nielst,in the same room ;
41rheellwwasitthh°egtsudpeecerinn-t
were ashamed to
which
pported by voluntary
the people
clothes,te ndell; aannddt thewhich
n dhaayd s
au
ll 73)1. s
hf e
contributions, was now two yearsin arrears of rent. Hundreds
of females were being forced upon the streets to seek their live-
lihood in a disgraceful mariner, and the men were sent out to
equally wicked employments.
Mr. GARDENER stated the destitution in Manchester tube
very great. A great number of the people wore g 044 to
America, all the best hands 1 he ssked one Who Was in full em-
ploy, molten. good wages, what was his reason for going
to America, the answer was, " Its not wages I care • so much
for; my reason is, that manufactures will soon be done for here."
Half the people in Manchester were quite ;out work, sub.

- • -
seriptions had
,been ri.4ed for thml474sowe bantam. a.n,l be-
fi,voli,nt persons, aii'd hid..beea estabbsbpd,
which gave away great (Omit tti•Os tVillintip. In Preston9aWilie
mills were in full work. btit_therriumber tart': rmirit Thainis
hart been reduced 2 ;to. 0 per_ e;ift, sincel:l,Fl37:i.a.nd .-.le3S;
owing to the improvements in tpachinery,d Firlff • '
Sir R. PEEL—I-13;i numb .r ° ', 11Tape within the
41.
last six or seven yearn . •R,ll
Mr. GARDENER—I think net.

Mr. lirc.cs,. of Leicester, reteateet-tn Sir 116 b rt Peel the
statements which he made at -.the A nti-Corn (law• Con ferene,
in the morning, n( ally in the same words—they will At found
in our report of the Conference,:
Mr. J. WALKER stated that trade'of kinds in his neigh-
bourhood (Bury) was exceedingly depreased. teas a' part-
ner in a foundry and machine making eStabliehmenf the
wages raid by the firm of which he was one, in 1836,_
.837, and 1838, were about 800/. a week; they now only
i
averaged about .36, OL, which wits a decline of more than one-
half. The trekly wages oftheir then men varied-front to
i4nosc.o;ntsci
heeyuewme,ereoffstehneeis-a„.13.r cty 1Y an hoof nci:fittitpalonydmienntetl;ligent class,. and
were wandering
about the eountry in a state of great destitution. He lad two
foundries in Bury, one of which had been elm for%rtmretlkult,
eerelv't tionths„ttionzh the wagesgia in 1.838 „d" Arffeci.
from to 179!. per week.
sir R. Pule—Bury is not -suffering- so--ititcfNe'. 41
or Maeclietner? • .A:eslsaz
Mr. WAI,XER—I believe not tiast.thst; .
ea very great.
tI • b
Assay/91,mi ascur,l the 10,1010. ssrot
the Setount of the distresa Which t. iron ?9, e.
country had na been exagoerated. In the' -1-11;61-Iatvsat\ion of
Bolton, which consisted of 25 townshins, and contained a
population of 91,000 ; the number receiving parish relief was
between 12 and 13,000. Engineering was carried on to 'a
great extent at Bolton, and many engineers, excellent work-
men, - were wholly unemployed ; they were selling off their
furniture piecemeal—a chair to-day, a table to-morrow, the'
bed next, and every article of clothing followed. The rates
had considerably increased, and out of a rate:made in March,
1841, amounting to upwards of 21,000/., only 9,000/. had
been paid up to March in the present year. The class of dis-
tress was not that of mere animal privation; the paupers in
Bolton were a class of men of a peculiar quality of mind—men
who understood all the chemical processes discovered
to the world by a Davy, and the mechanical in-
ventions disclosed, by the master mind of an Ark-
wright and a Watt ; they were men in whom much
duty and religious feeling were alike conspienous with mecha-
nical genius and shiil. It too late now to consider the
various avenues whence this distress had sprung, but a remedy
must .be found; and the evident remedy was a repeal of the
Corn-laws. He did not speak rashly of the repeal of
the Corn-laws, nor without having first deeply consi-
dered the' sub!ect._ Their bestworkmen were leaving the
country, not-be retained in it. I-I a 'ferentan, who
had been in ..his employ for the last nineteen years, and who,
with his, family, earned 250/. a year, left for America a short
time ago. Previous to ;eaving, he asked him why he was
quitting England? His reply was that his family had been
educated as mechanics aml engineers, and that he deemed the
fate of. this country was sealed ; before he died, he wished per-
manently to settle his family. A man who had returned from.
America informed -him (Mr. Ashworth) that in Mississippi
anti Ohio there was great abundance of corn, but that the
pc-epic were quite destitute of clothing ; all they
seemed
to want was, a better intercourse with us, that
they might be better clad. Curtis, of Ohio, corroborated that;
he said that the people's clothes were fastened en them by
strings made, of the bark of trees, as they -were not able to
purchase tapes, buttons, and thread. At New Orleans he saw
barrels of wheat and provisions come down the river in such
plentiful supplies, that after immense stocks had been pur-
chased a large quantity could not meet with a sale, and that re-
mained at New Orleans till it became so putrid that a pesti-
lence and fever were the result. Last October. there were
fears entertained in England of the harvest, and.soMe doubts
were entertained. of the security of the Bank of Englancl; to that
w1117.f,t the Americans ve:•c naked, that which should have clothed
them Wry; lecke:4 tip b the warehousee of our reanufactur era ;
and whilst we were starving, that which should have been food
for us, was putrid and rotting, on the quay -of New Orleans.
A gentleman Irons Sydney had informed him that the agricul-
turists of that place were in the habit of holding meetings from
the years 1819 to 1823, in order to obtai n some protection to them.
selves, such as that enjoyed by the landowners of this country, and
they originated in the following ciraumstances :—A tender was
made to the Government Commissary to supply wheat for the
convicts at 3s. 6d. a bushel, who refused it, because the
price was too high, adding that he could get it Cheaper from
Van Diemen's Land. Then the agriculturists held meetings
in order to exclude wheat from Van Diemen's Land by hit.
-a free
posing a fixed duty upon its importation into Sydney. The
Governor of Sydney said it was a good thing to have
importation of corn and cheap bread, which would greatly
tend to increase the prosperity of the colony; he said that he
would not lay a duty upon wheat or a tax upon bread, remem-
bering that the Government were the chief consumers of bread,
having so many criminals to victual. A few people. thought,
that ruin to the agriculturists of Sydney would follow this step
on the part of the Governor, but the result proved them to
have been mistaken, in their surmises; numbers of people had
taken to sheep real ing and weol growing, and the quantity of
their exports to London and Liverpool, was annually increasing
at a great ratio ; the value of laid had greatly. increased, and
attention .ts haling,
Sydney had become the chief supply of animal food to Van
Diemen's Land; many had directed their
which had turned out .a very profitable speculation, the land
was de-voted to pasturage and vineyards, arid wheat also rose in
pike thus benefiting the wheat growers of Van Diemen's
Land; in fact, general prosperity had followed.
Sir R. PEEL—You will admit that I have diminished the
protection to agriculture mere than hat ever been done within
any six months at any rate ?
Mr. Astrwoarst thought it was only a nominal alteration
which had been effected in the Corn-laws; a duty of 3s. had
been subtituted fur 135., and 6 feet of water might drown a
man as well as 6 yards. Neither would the tariff be very be.
nefieial to the poor man ; out. of 22 millions' worth of articles
that it embraced,
"16 were left untouched ; and the six
mltions' worth that it did affect stould not assist the starving
operative.
-erative Did the poor man care fur French bouts and shoes,.
cosmetics, Silks, and perfumery ?
Sir It. PEEL—It is rathtr shallow to say that the poor dpi
not care fur cosmetics. It must be too that I have
made a great reluction of the duty on the importation of meat.
Mr. Asstiv,J)Writ sa.(l that .pork was purchased at Cincin-
nati fur Ss. a cwt., whilst Sir R. Peel had imposed a duty
of 149. - .
Sir R.PERt,-;-Bs., not 14s. I think we had better not dis-
cuts the tariff. • •:(

-Jr.. Astiwoirft. =id it was no wonder if we imposed a ,
eaity of cent, per cent. upon American pork that they should
impose a duty_sif 55, per cent. upon our manufactures
Mr. Asitroe Merely wished to refer to the great emigra-
tion that was going on from this country to America. flie
best, the careful, searly, industrious men, were leaving all the
manufactories in England. He thought it was absolutely ne-
cessary that the good hands should be kept at home. ' . .•
Sir R. Piese-r-heulti you say they went. to America to
invest what money they had in hand, or to get employment?
Mr. Astrrow—l should say to obtain employment.
Mr. BROOKE said it was his good fortune to come from a
part ( Hutider,field), where the distress was not near so great
as in the cotton and other parts of the woollen districts. filet
he attributed to the fact that the fancy woollen trade was the
staple manufacture of the place. A great many people, how-
ever," the best of. their men, had gone to America. For
the last thirty-4hree or thirty-four years there had been
a very useful and industrious class of men amongst
them, called " domestic manufacturers," who manufactured
perhaps four or five pieces a-vveek ; these men as a body were
almost extinct, most of them having been reduced from a state
of comparative affluence to the condition of workmen for others,
and many of them were in the receipt of parish relief. It was
not for him ( Mr. Brooke) to suggest remedies, bet he did not
think this a Corn-law question ;he regarded the Corn-laws as.
a great evil, but he did nut believe them to be the only cause of
the distress ; his opinion was, that until there should be a com-
plete removal of all restrictions upon commerce, this country
would never attain to that grandeur which she once possessed.
Though he did not agree with the Right Honourable
Baronet in politics, be must say that he was happy
to see that was the opinion entertained by the Right
Hen. Gentleman, and he was glad to see the rents of Govern-
ment in the hands of one than whom no one had more power
to carry measures of relief, seethe coetrary ; he hoped the mea-
sures with which the Right lion. Gentleman had begun,
would ultimately lead to the complete emancipation of trade.
AI r . A K ItOYD
a,
n,l Jun.
parishstated
of thaiti:higrei
et, bixnt.,4lolvvinteede dl a
tthroiaeoien
we taigsf
great
diversity largest firms in Halifax, employing 2,000 hands, and paying
wages to the amount of 1,0001. a week. The worsted trade
was now in a better condition than that of the cotton or woollen
trade ; yet was it in a worse condition than it was a few
years ago, and the prospects for the ensuing winter were very
bad. Articles made entirely of worsted, which formerly con-
stituted the staple trade, such as merinos and lastings, were
difficult of sale. A large manufacturer in the neighbourhood
of Halifax, had just commenced working short time. Several
spinners of worsted yarn, at Bradford, had been working short
tune or stopping part of their machinery for the
'last twelve months, and wages also were falling.
The only trade left which was possessed of life and vitality, was
that consisting of mixed goods of cotton and worsted, printed
or fancy-woven, figured or embroidered. 'pre Germans were,
for some years back, their best en towers ill these articles.
The large and sudden imports from the Continent, which at first
were paid for in gold, caused an abundance of bills on London,
anti rendered the exchanges favourable to sending out goods,
1 The balance of our exports and imports was eventually paid for
in goods, arid during a period of extreme depression in the
home trade, owing to our deficient harvest, the Gera an trade
was cemparatively brisk, and was the main outlet of our goods.
The fancy trade employs fewer hands and requires more capital
itihua.n oe
stuhffeerritrganernheos,„t
lArleanytheopehraantidvessexal,r,ieibyeoluistoaounfdo
nue
enesapp,la(o.rrytsi;.-
In the town
diver,ity of manufactures. We • have the cotton, the
worsted, ' the spun-silk, the carpet, the carded• wool,
wire-drawing and card setting. It was this great variety of
occupation which had kept the . population moTrehesrteeatwlilaysem-
pollolyasr.dbtrhaanicihin. other,rhe deiostttrOicntsmialenpeanaticti
wretched state. A large inill'inti weaving. v,
s-ekl, within -two
miles of the town, employing several hundred lands,
another ;a-
0 thl ifled7wb:ihseleu,
manufacturers to
:spdte:,n;licaliti4ni,dg.;:,fito,rtemnocc-aotrthltyioen(siisxt Therev‘oniftsotnttilfiteosi.h.fasn7dci
)s,
.mi
naboa.ehd i
gitlodtnl
neighbourhood
had done so.
would' -have been ,at •'ll • complete . 'stand. ' Very • few
tides were manufactured 'for the West Indies, Tear clothing
.1.:1:4:3:":1:nderuatlhl-e
ofor-
merlylfaf hl thel
c hse 01
nnaasva''nei self-actingnes
emancipated
ieiopxnatteltenthiistvil extensive trade
tymbet
,tusutilreuedslfje(uluirsei.retnduir cei enit :giltt:l;
a- i woollens,
heoot oorr lskaleed ne.
yard of that
state,clot l whichthattthey
"very, and the
ypectoitnisoindeedrefdoratbhaedagbeoloitfiotnhatatf 1
trade and property of the manufacturers had b,„,,, more reduced
Tn-door.
ending out-door relief S. d' " Accounts.
than that 0111:88483841192te1,....W........e56645ti,10511n6378921ia......p......1....a....n...t2332er::900:28.11697
4529.,
168,27:11......r......5t
:340i:15
1971
001
Quarter June
25
... I 8
38. Persons..
3 receivinge7o4 .
. .... 1 ,
89i
3nAltthsneo us3natm i
.1, e r i 0 d ,
was
as
et s. d.
Thus the number of persons receiving out-door relict was in_
creased 130 per cent. since 1838, and the 'amount paid 85
per cent. The number of vagrants'passing through Halifax,
sale,td ‘7e thani
but tts lexeoatalr.h., eti.sp'eic.
corncs ,
and ,
hwaidthsellno
afonldlowresli:e—vedhatiB3:4B:9olvagrants' ore,
,eavmenouinnt,esmd
atoll
or seventy, months.
1842 .............. ........... ******** ::::::21::79911240
The butchers stated that the number of
suchoxen killed in Halifax
thirty per week, whilst the number killed, .
five or six years
market, during the last six
Good joints
as were formerly
Nafeore swastil 1 never
ry
sold to the working classes. in pieces of three, four, to six
July, 1842, he lest in
pieces of one pookufnprovision...dealer
pounds weight, can scarcely
who had been in business twelve years and a half, stated that
during the first eleven. years of his business he did 'tot lose I 00/.
months,b
be parted
iad debts 465/. 2s. by 67 people. Of these 67
people--
11 had gone through the Insolvent Court.
3 were bankrupts, who paid nothing.
in Clad dellti. From January, 1841, to Jul
5 made assignments.
19 ran away to America or elsewhere,
..
3 compounded.. . .
• - .

20 bad—not worth anything.
4 dead.
4 in the local courts' gaol.

1 67
IA mercer and draper informed him that he had been in busi-
ness eleven Years, but during the last three years his receiptg
did not reach half the previous average. The first eight years
of ,his business he did not lose 1001., hut during the last three
years had lost 548/. in bad debts. In the same business as
himself (Mr. Akroyd) three persons had failed, and two had
emigrated, within the last twelve months. These persons car-
ried on nearly one-fourth of the mercery business of the town.
.The stealers in flour and oatmeal stated that the demand was
falling off on flour and running more on oatmeal. He (Mr.
A kroyd) had endeavoured to bring forward simply those cases
which mighthe considered as an example of their class, and the
inevitable gmtglusion which he drew was, that the condition of
the operatives was daily getting werse, that distress was now
fast seixing• hold of the shopkeepers and the middle-class ; that
capital wa.s gradually diminishing, whilst the demand upon it
increased: that, hitherto, there had been no relief or prospect
of irpprovement, and, unless some further increase of relief
wereiatrurdeti yievious to the approach of: winter, there was a
taiFllll respect a ruin to the middle-classee, and utter clestitu.
ties
,and ataivation to the poor. Symptoms of disaffection
were new ripe amongst the operatives. Meetings of the
C.:hart*, were bell Peery Sunday, and on Sunday week there
was a gathering of 15,000 Chartists, on the heights of black-
stotte Edge, to debate on Ulterior steps. 4heuld the miserable
protticet of starvation to thg_poor7ba'realised during the en-
suing winter,it was to be feared that the horrors of famine might
1)e brightened by anarchy and confusion.
Mr. Pawsox then thanked the Right Hon. Baronet for the
hind manner with which he had listened to their details, and
requested that some remedy might be applied to the distress,
the existence of which could not be doubted.

Sir R. PEEL—I shall take care to convey the facts which
you have stated to the rest of her Majesty's Ministers, and to
solicit their attention to thesubject.

The Deputation then took their leave at• three o'clock, and
proceeded direct to L..rd Stanley, with whom they remained
an hour and a half; am' thence to .Lord What neliffe, with
whom they remained half an hour, until live o'clock. The
statements made to these noblemen were similar to those made
to Sir Robert Peel, but were necessarily much curtailed.
Lord STANLEY having listened to every thing that fell from
the Deputation with great courtesy and attention, till the con-
clusion of the interview, said—l can only assure you that the
Government are quite sensible of the extent. of the distress.
Statements on the subject reach them every week and every
day. There is not a week passes, but questions of this kind are
anxiously engaging the attention, not only Of the particular Mi-
nister to whom it belongs, but the Cabinet. altogether. I hope
something - may be done by the legislation of this year.
'l'he operation of the tariff, and the alteration in the Corn-
laws, which, though it does not go to the extent you require,
certainly is, from all accounts we hear, causing more elasticity
about business than has lately existed. The accounts from.
-the country show some improvement. The causes and reme-
dies of this distress are very complicated, and many of them
are beyond the reach of legislation. Government can only
have a wish, as far as their judgment goes, to take those steps
which are best for the general interests of the country. I can-
not discuss the remedies with you, but what I wish you to un-
derstand is, that however you differ with us as to remedies or
causes, no subject has more occupied the attention of Govern-
ment during the session than this, and their attention will con-
tinue to be constantly directed to it during the recess.
Lord Wit ARNCLIFFE having listened somewhat impatiently
to the Deputation for five-and-twenty minutes, said—All I 'can
say is that it is not necessary to state these matters to me ; I
am quite aware of the distress, and 1 think we had better not
enter more into the subject. No one can be more sensible
than I am of the difficulties of the country, and the difficulties
in which you are all placed ; the only point on which we differ
is. the remedy.

13, Groat Marlborough street.
VOLUME FOUR of MA.D. D'ARBLAY'S
DIARY end LETTERS,
IS NOW READY.

*„* Orders received by alll3ookiellers.
Henry Colburn, Publisher, 13, Great Marlborough-street.

13, Great Marlborough-street.
LORD L ONDONDERRY'S.STE AM
VOYAGE TO CONSTANTINOPLE,
By the RHINE and the DANUBE, in 1840-41,
IS NOW READY AT ALL THE BOOKSELLERS',
In 2 vol=. Bvo., with Illustrations, 28s. bound.
Henry Coiburn, Publisher, 13; Great Marlborough-street.

HAMBURGH, JULY, 1842.
IS MAJESTY the EMPEROR of
AUSTRIA.
AND HIS MAJESTY' THE EMPEROR OF RUSSIA,
having AUTHORISED and GUARANTEED several DIS-
TRIBUTIONS of MONEY _DIVIDENDS, by which
LARGE FORTUNES may be obtained. HEINE BRO-
THERS, at HAM HU RG.H, are now Selling Genuine and
W 9 RRANTED SELECTED
BONDS for the said DISTBIBU LIONS.

grsons desirous to purchase may re,eive. PREVIOUS
raving any order, the PROSIIECTUS with full PARTI-
CULARS, upon addressing, WITHOUT DELAY, a line to
lIEINE BROTHERS, at HAMBURGH.

As we ,ece:ve freqnently anplicvticns fnr CERTIFICATES,
we ust bad ti observe, that a CERTIFICATE 's QUITE
DIFFERENT from a BOND, and Oat there is a great dif-
ference aga'n between BONDS and SELECTED BONDS
—the SELECTED BONDS ONLY TAKING PART IN
['HE DISTRIBUTION WHICH FOLLOWS THE SE-
..ECTION, and which should never be overlooked, being of
,t•v greatest importance.

. THEATRE-ROYAL,. ENGLISH OPERA-HOUSE.
THIS EVENING, JULY 26.
Will be Fees nted, the New Drama called THE LONE HUT.—
Principal Characters by Mosses. 0. Smith, Dickies W. It Bland,
and Harley, M,ss Murray, bliss Crisp, and Miss Faucit.
• Ti which mill be added, the Farce of DEA} AS A POST.—
Tristram Sappy, Mr Harley ; Sally Maggs, Miss Murray.
ttter which, the New Burlesque allet, called G IZ ELLE:—
Char:it:tots by Signor OxbeAritii and Madile. Louisetta Fairbro.
.
t
TS conclude with the DREAM AT SEA.—Characters by Messrs
Oxherry, W. H. Bland, and 0 Smith • Mimes Pincott and Faucit.
Boxes, 4. Pit, s. Gallery, Is. Doors oven at Hall.past Six
commence at &vex ; Half.price, a Quarter before Nine.
Priva e liuxc 3 to be had of Mr. Grogan, at the Private Box.offic: ;
and of M e,s I I. Andrews, Mitchell, Sams, and Bally, at their Libraries.

ROYAL SURREY THEATRE.
THIS EVENING, JULY 26.

Will be rspresen'ed Donizetti's Opera of THE; LOVE SPELL,
&imported by the First Voeali'ts of the Day—Miss Homer, Mr, W.
Harrison, Mr. Leffler, Mr. J. Webster, Mrs. Serle, and Miss E.
Perrey Conductor, Mr. G. Stansbury.
A Ml' which, Shakspere's Tragedy of MACBETH; with all Locke's
Wendel Music, sung by the entire Opera Company.
P 1 ..ves and Private :loxes may be ad of Mr. J. kerschner, at the
1 ox Office, from Eleven till Four daily.

ROYAL SURREY ZOOLOGICAL GARDENS.
GRAND FLORAL FETE.
THIS DAY, TUESDAY, JULY 26,
The ROYAL SOUTH LONDON FLORICULTURAL SO-
CIETY will hold their SECOND SUMMER SHOW for 1842 in
the at ,ove admirably adapted Grounds, on the same scale of splendour
that has always distinguished these popular Fetes.
SEVENTY PRIZES of SILVER CUPS, GOLD and SILVER
MEDALS, and the LINNEAN MEDAL,
Will be awarded to the succes fut Exhibitors.
Besides the Exhibition of Floral and Horticultural products, which
from the fineness of the season and other favourable circumstances,
is confidently expected to be unusually rich, varied, and extensive,
toe whole of the popular Entertainments for which this Establish.
went is so widely celebrated, will be given MI a scale of grandeur
eclipsing all previous efitirts. Admission One Shilling. Gates open
at One t oncert at Six. Fireworks at half-past Nine.
The Evening Fetes, with all the usual attracitions, every Monday,
Tuesday, and Thursday. Open from Ten in the Morning. Feeding
Hour Five o'clock.

All Advertisements of a Disgusting Character,
or Immoral Tendency, are excluded from
the Columns of " The Sun."

ness ? We are all consumers and must all benefit
by it. Consider for a moment what a large mass of
sec...ley is composed under the terms manual.
labourers and shopkeepers, clerks and manufacturers,
artisans and salaried workmen ! Why these terms
embrace four-fifths of society, and all would be
benefited by following out the principles which are
so feebly acted on in the tariff. The remaining fifth of
society, consisting of the landowners and parsons, and a
fe‘V great capitaliits, the value of whose stock or ca-
pital might be subject to a reduction—though the an-
nual income derived from it, considered as a power of
purchasing other commodities, would not be at all
lowered—might be injured, though we doubt whether
they would, by the inestimable benefit conferred on
the other four-fifths of the spciety. In a communi-
cation read yesterday at the Anti- Corn-law Con-
ference, a farmer dwelt on the price of seed and of
labour, as enhanced .by the Corn-laws; he might
have added, the 'coat of the keep of his animals for
labour, and of all the skilled - labour he is compelled
to buy, tis enhanced by the same cause; so that he
wrAila share the inestimable benefits of the universal
cheapness, as well as starving. women and children,
:Ind unemployed workmen. In fact, the whole emu-
mummify, without exception, would share in the delight
which labourers and shopkeepers would feel at the
announceinentswe have adverted to.

To confer these immeasurable benefits on society-
is yet in the power of the 'Legislature. It is only
necessary to forego its deadly gripe, to loosen the
fetters it has cast around us, to remove the taxes and
restrictions which it, and it alone, has imposed. Na-
ture, or GOD, puts no impediments in the way of
trade. He leaveS commerce free. He invites men,
by endowing the world with different climates, to
engage in it. He teaches them how to make
the trackless ocean, which, might seem an insuperable
obstacle to communication, the means of wafting
nations and their wealth from 'shore to shore. All
the obstacles, therefore, to universal cheapness and
universal plenty, Which those who boast of the benefit
of the small reductions made by PEEL imply would
be the result of the abolition of duties and restrictions,
are' caused by the ignorant or the malignant law-
maker. Contrasting what society might be,
merely as to plenty—the admitted result of the
abolition of fiscal duties and restrictions—with
what it is under those restrictions, legislation assumes,
as it were, the characteristics of a demon which
delights in blastim?, the happiness of mankind.
Oil the one hand is abundance, joy, and delight, from
removing fetters, taxes, and monopolies ; on the other
is dearth, sorrow, agony, and crime, from continuing
them. how long does the Legislature, which comes
before the nation in such colours, count, let us so-
lemnly ask, on receiving the respect, the love, the
obedience of mankind?

It was truly said by the Earl of RADNou last night,
that their Lordships were about to pass the Colliery Bill
to put an end to immorality, as the law puts down, a
disorderly house. So the Earl of DEVON said that the
practice of women working in a colliery with men
ahnost in a state of nudity, must have a direct and
immediate tendency to promote vice and im-
morality. Is not this inference of the Noble
Earl, and of the supporters of the Bill, more a
suggestion of some prurient imagination than a
reality ? The Commissioners have not adduced a single
fact to prove 'that the naked collier lads and lasses
are nicire immoral than the well-dressed youth
of both sexes in the metropolis, or than the well-fed
and carefully clothed servants of the PeerS. The se-
verity of the toil, and the danger to which both par-
ties are continually exposed in the pits, assure us that
sexual immorality• must he there the rare exception,
not the rule. If their Lordships had read the Re-
port they would have observed the age of puberty is
much retarded in the collier children, which is a
complete contradiction of the assumption that the
passions are excited by the nudity of the people.
" In estimating," says Dr. S. SNITM, in a note to page
193, " the influence on the physical constitution of great
muscular exertion constantly enacted during the period
of childhood, one further result of it deserves especial
notice, namely, the retardation of the epoch of puberty.
Attention was first drawn to this result during the ex-
amination by one of the Commissioners of some young
persons at a thin seam coal pit in Yorkshire, in which
the work. was particularly laborious, and the pit more
'than commonly wet and dirty.
,The young persons who
einie under observation were stated to be.various ages,
froth fourteen to eighteen, and one case was nineteen.
ot► a careful examinalon of- them, the Commissioner
found that, with the exception of the teeth, which ha'd
developed naturally, there was not present a single sign
of puberty. The same was subsequently found to be the
case with great numbers of young persons examined
specially with reference to this point, in many pits in the
neighbourhood of Wakefield and Halifax, and a similar
retardation, though not in so great a degree, was ob-
served in girls." •
With all deference, therefore, to the Earl of DE.
VON, and the gentlemen who have made such a great
outcry about the immoralities that are practised in
narrow gutters, and against coal-walls under ground,
where the man lies on his side, working a pick, in a
most constrained and irksome position, we 'believe
that the public have been deluded and cheated by the
false inferences of an unchaste imagination. Naked-
ness is not immorality. The colliers do not wantonly
expose their persons ; they are constrained, by the tem-
perature of the mines, and the nature of their occu-
pation, to work almost naked ; and it is incorrect to
infer from that that they must be immoral: We be-
lieve they are as moral as the best clothed people in
the . empire ; and the law that -is passed to interfere
with their occupations, as if they were a violation of
morality, is based on a wrong foundation.

A parson of the name of MELVILLE, whom Mr.
MiLsEit CrinsoN represents as in close connexion with
several of her MAJESTY'S Ministers, as advising them
probably on- religious matters—giving them abso-
lution possibly for the many sins they commit against
the people, evidently soothing their consciences by his
opinions, who is represented, too, as one of the most
eloquent parsons of the day, has, according to Mr.
MILNER GlnsoN, said—

That the tendency which of late years has been so
largely exhibited in this country—the tendency to the
ekanging an agricultural for a manufacturing popula-
tion—to the gathering the people into dense masses, for
which it were almost hopeless to attempt providing
means of Christian instruction (even if the frightful de-
mands upon strength and upon time allowed of their
being used, supposing them provided), that this tendency.
is amongst the most fatal that was ever encouraged, and
is but likely to continue, working- out an increasing and
even irremediable disaster.

We hope that Mr. M. GIBSON has reported incor-
rectly of the parson, for certainly a greater display of.
impious ignorance we have rarely met with in any
passage of a parson's discourse, which, considering
the impious language habitually used by parsons, is
saying a great deal. We apprehend that Mr. MnL-
v ii.LE will not deny, whether he consult the Scrip-
t ilres, or trace the history of man, that it is a command
of Gon, that the human race should replenish the
earth. He cannot deny that the law of population is
as much a part of nature as the law of gravity. It 1
is the consequence of this law that 'men multiply on
the.earth, and, multiplying on the earth, they must
become' erl(4(ted, -Or gathered' intOdense'MaSseS, and.
yet • the parson says, perhaps suppO§ing himself in-;
Spired, that this natural and iiievitable- consequence of
the la•W of crOD. is ihe most fatal tendenCY that was
ever encouraged It is at least certain that, it has
taken 'plaee all over the world, except, perhaps,
wretched Ireland; and from Pekin to Manchester, as
the people have multiplied, they have been gathered
into dense masses.

The reasons are obvious. As men multiply, division
of labour and skill increases. A comparatively small
and ever-diminishing portion of society suffices to
provide the raw material of subsistence for the whole.
In the progress of society less and less labour is re-
quired to provide food. There can be no doubt
whatever that the agricultural productions of England
have much increased, as the manufacturing towns
have grown up ; and no doubt whatever, that those
increased productions do net require an equal In-
crease of, hands to provide them. There is only a
small increase of agricultural population. There has
been no exchange, then, of an agTicultural for a manu-
facturing. population ; but the latter has grown up
additional to the former. and the dense masses have
both provided a market for the additional agrieultund
produce, and have found employment and food, and
have so kept in existence, as they have absorbed into
themselvvs the ever-increasing spare' hands of the
agricultural districts.
The skilled labour which grows up in every society
subsequently to agriculture, does otrejuir
one,
like
agriculture, a large space for its operations.r'
the
contrary, the smith, the tailor, the wheelwright,
the spinner, the weaver, the founder, the collier, &c.,
all working with and for one another, save time and

save Labour by living close together. They must
communicate with each other. The weaver gets his
yarn from the spinner, the spinner his machinery
from the wheelwright, and the smith—now called
the engineer—who mint be at hand to repair it ;
and the smith fixes his furnace or forge as near as he
can to the collier that be may get fuel as convenientl
as he can. Then the crowding together of men into
masses, which this parson impiously derides and
vilifies, is the necessary and inevitable consequence
of that increase of population which the ALMIGHTY'
has orialaal.

We do not exactly know the sense in which Mr.
MELVILLE nses the phrase, " even if the frightful
demands upon strength and time allowed," but he
cannot surely mean that the congregating the people
' into masses 'nukes any additional demand 011 the. par -
s9n's strength or time to teach them. They art im-
mediately accessible to him, while he must travel
miles through an agricultural community to get
many hearers as he may find in one workshop in 55.24-
chester or Birmingham. Gathering men into mauve
makes it easy and cheap to dispenm ainomrst thrm
kinds of instruction; and though Air. :).Frr.vikr.v.i.4
obviously a most ignOrant and. unrefleethig peison,
he cannot possibly mean that the gathering the
people into passes adds to thp difficulty of tea Ching
them, and adds to the labour of the 1 NirF4 thOllgh
wo know that it adds vastly to his wealth.

What we believe Mr. Mtr.vir.nn means is that the
" demands on the strength and the time of labourers"
in manufacturing districts, make them urrable to pro-
fit by Christian Instruction. put they profit by
other teaching. The bulk of the mannfacturing po-
pulation are much better informed ,on most things
than the bulk of the agricultural populaiien. They
are notch more accessible to teachiteg than the IKII-
- Their time is not so fully occupied. 'That
invaluable machinery they work with often requir!s
but little attention. They can tsmverse, and sonic-
. times read, while they are at. their labours. if Mr.
MEILVII.LI: mean, therefore, that, the Masses bythenii,-
11Ufik'tlyintr towns have neither time nornportunity.,
to,profit by religions teaelting, he sbews
roundly ignorant of their condition. , •
We admit that they do not love Mr.-Mm.vn.r.tt's
Christimnity. They are shocked Mt the idea of a toi•il
Bishop. The immense wealth of the parsons, Arbo
advocate, like Mr. MELNILLE, the eontinuauco of the
starvation laws, while they preach poverty, offends the
good sense of the workmen. We admit that they are;
to a great -extent, not followers of the Church. They-
see that the whole lite of the State parsons gives the
lie to their doctrines, and they cannot believe. The
Unbelief in priestcraft, arising from the shrewdness
wh:ch grows up amongst massc, is, as Mr. Thinvita.2.;
allows clearly to be seen, he source of his nnt.172f..,-
thy to the town population. lie will not Iliwe
a town population in the land. He objects
to the people living in dense masses. He will
thwart- the ordinances of Gon, he will deride and
vilify the work of creation, because the new town
population is not' servile, and will not consent to be
priest-ridden. Rather than not have slaves, the
priesthood, speaking by Mr. AILXILLE will starve
the people.

RECISTUATION.—A Correspondent has sent us a
paper pointing out the means by which Reformers
may disfranchise some of their opponents, and call-
ing on them to exert themselves to take objections
and diSqualify Tories. As we have no doubt 2, similar
communication will be made to other jotrnals,,
beg leave to caution all Reformers again.o, acting-40n
this advice. Their principle is to extend the suffrage
by all the means in • their power. They have de-
manded the abolition of the disqualifying *rate-ixiying
clauses, and they onght.. not to call thqq, clalist=s
into activity even against an adversary. They are
too right-minded to annoy their neighhours for the
purpose of gaining a.few votes. If the Tories act so
disreputably, let no honest Reformer follow the bad
example. besides, on the great, and at present all-
important, question of free trade, the 'lonics of the
middle and trading classes are corning over to our
side. In disfranchising them, therefore, 13,-o shall dis-
franchise our own friends. We confidently trust,
therefore, that the Reformers will reject the insidious
advice we have alluded to, should it be offered them.

\‘, * .
4**
At.
ca.`la
Jo, )544: m tu "VI
• '"