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London, England, 1842-07-22 00:00:00

te the C
(311-117,v-g:- B-ii t that tint--stion had been decided
rli°,st within the last fortilight,' and: the Hon. Gentle-
top recoilectin that diseession, did not again return
eosiri°oP°t the 'enestion. Then what \vas the real pro-
Prna,lll:ii.ch, Ile did venture to pr 'pee? Why it was •
say, iit'"l.teie with resta ct to which, he would almost
eeerinwlis. t-',bsurd to meet it. It would be unwise, con-
lioese tre responsibility of a Minister, to pledge the
the thy'Pall 4-vote upon a subject of this kind. It was
togeti, Y .e the Executive Government, after the pro-
for n. 41:6.• Parliament—if there should be, a necessity
it . l'epresentatives of the people re-assemblin-- k,r
to :•e:. their duty to advise the Sovereign
ahtlli, assemble Parliament—and whenever 'Parliament
en re-assemble, the responsibility o+;• it 'would be
II; Use•'Government. That was the rational way of
II at 'lig Wlth the question. He did not, -think it was the
e policy of Parliament that a pledge should be
iyal,t.etOret-etbe- question ought to a left to the proper
tietlrie., the responsible par4,ies. It was admitted
eponsene the distress Govermr,ent had proposed re-
lit%
(Ve measures. It was al .so admitted that tie short-
titne bad not enabled their operation to be clearly
4scer''
that •ti,i,ned• . The Hon. C.entleman asked fur a pledge,
Petel:tlli were found. ineffectual or insufficient that
de ,:tnent sleould re-•as.eemble in a very short period. As
11(0 befiere, that 'pledge was superfluous, inefficacious,
,i;le•xYAlient ; riot he (Sir J. Graliam):.for one should
se,t•tate in giving a direct negative to the motion.
'l'44; -14. e 411.7E8 could readily believe, and he gave full
144,1 • to the eincerity of the Right Hon. Gentleman who
P., down, when he assured the House and the
1:."1.7,t lie did not wish to discuss that question. It
eay sorue surprise that he (Mr. Hawes) heard him
het, • -4 .otte reason fir not discussing the question was,
tide . bad but recently been brought under the cons
~`t bad
of the House. Now first let him call the
.of the House to the argument used on this
t.ei,J)e,ett,ll a previous' occasion. What were they told ?
'tent!, the t- could not expect a law to be altered so re.
itttroi Patesed ; therefore his Hon. Friend was right in
topic.(l4.ing a change in the topic, to see if a change of
died could extract anything from the Government. He
Ann°rot think it was necessary for the Right
hilel474ble Baronet to order the genelemen behind
Li! ,;"°t to speak, as it was inevossible to meet
t(11„-"sgthriente of his (Mr. Hawes'e) side of the House.—
be 4 hear. No ttoubt the discussion was inconvenient,
pee,, eye discussions could be had again and again.
ketyloight prorogue Parlatneute—it would be discussed
meetings ; they might call Parliament toge-
Arn;"§l2111 the subject etroule, be discussed from time to
Attisc Uutil it was 3el',:ted. He certainly was eur-
bad at what had fal).en from thct Hon. Gimtleman who
tra,,,:at spoken on 't,ne other side. The Hon. Gentleman
tit the distres.6 to the For,ign-office.. W hen lie spoke
ter former 0e -elision, he wa;ke•d into Asia. He then de-
-4111f`,: and wltlized into Europe, and he was equally
44illllhti,",Uv • lie (Mr. Hawes) was prepared to. main;
I)tir•-"" the Corn-laws had caused a dim,inutionutou
ere,„ Our trade to China and to. Europe had in-
?le et'' Pacts and
.figures were not to be disputed.
_eeiohj: t'n• Gentleman said,- that from the moment the
.„,t;td,' 4-ore undertook to change the whole policy• of
,-.11,(1, from that time there was a decline trade.
m'a_s a pity the Hon. Gentleman did not refer to
fsltee,-J-1.41 documents before the House. He (Mr.
frit 2) W (mid refer to a proposal made by the
ntees-an• Minister in 1326 to Mr. Canning, claim-
,their 94 the part of Prussia, the admission of
~qttty produce, under the consideration that the
whet-`'"uld not be increased on British manufactures.
tilal„elVl3 the answer made by the Government ? The
'vas, that after due consideration of the proposi-
'l,44 the Prussian Minister, fin the admission of corn
it4ht ;,Cher, it became her Majesty's Government to state
could not entertain such a proposition. Now,
hQ 'll rt-}ini call the attention of the House to the state of
l'ea„seril Europe ten years ago, up to the present date. Ten
!oth ago it was essentially agricultural, and according
e bee report of the Hon. Member for Bolton they had
Qu°,4'e Manufacturincounaces therefore less able to
yet,'"4le our manufactures. "icn'v, previous to those ten
of li;s, the former Governme.at refused to. admit the corn
air Can
This was evide:ntly, against the conviction of
%es a!illing, as was the present measure against the
Aat„,etlon of the Right Edon. Baronet. The Right Hon.
his filet would do more if he was permitted to do so by
tllO-„ends• The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. D'lsraeli) said
tire,,. n 0 treaties bad been entered into by the late GI:1-
k% newt; but there was the Austrian treaty, which was
lot owith a technical objection, but which objection was
that ver by an Act of Parliament. In the shipping to
thereountry there had been no falling off. In 1837
tape were go ships, in 1839 there were 114. Let them
result same.
anY other State they pleased ; they found the
222 0 watt regard to Prussia. In 1840 there were
State Cl° tons, in 1841, 218,000. In the other German
the "s lii 1840 there were 83,000 tons, and in 1841
4,tit'e,were 91,000. The Hon. Gentleman had been sin-
tha•rtY u-nfortunate in referring to those ten years. When
rep torn question had been brought forward in those.
I,3'ears did Hon. Gentlemen opposite take part in it ?
',lllve? .were all opposed to rhn y inroad into the old Corn-
w•-• They resisted the. demand from year to year, and
Fr Rthigeht
,e at last theycanie (*sown and proposed a liberal inea-
for
HO7l. Gentleman in reply to the Hen.
Potteries,llen,be had fa.;tened upon a casual
fatter 4 in the letter which the Hon. Member read—he
kle!'tried on a easr.al matter, as an experienced debater
130 Y s. did'
, to avert the subject from the attention of the
it i,
Yes, forsooth, it was merely a question of wages
..ely a quarrel about wages between the
!nie!ir and b.is Men, and then they were told that some
had interfered ; but if those design.
11- the 4..`a''.dcansed the people to contemplate the cause
wte cowti',.ress then those men had done great service to
(TM, ' 'Why leave them a subject to agitate upon?
by Ilse
hear, hear.) The Honourable Member for
b''rete„--„'4,4 agitated in Ireland, but they (the Go-
j4d ta ;-""t) had given him the power of agitating. He
But it:, "'At the people of Ireland to assert their rights.
%.%'4s said that this question was only a peg to hang
"atsth on the Corn-laws upon ; that might be so,
t:ery Ile would say, that he was determined to take
jhe rtr-I,,°;Pl)ortunity of discussing the Corn-laws, Whhat-
Le. be thought of him, of this he was sure, t
..111'•-;r4:‘ he had pursued would be appreciated by the
'„,11:-;,, represented.—(Hear, hear.) The great
e'treeei: the present distress was, the neglect of com-
"Qatil"distress, and it was not until it was found
.fine is People would bear it no longer that something
llt.etJe• As to the Ministerial proposition with re-
-411,1 tt' the Corn4aws, it was only a mere make-shift,
titne would come when they would get the true
gi of the public on the subject, and hen it would
;ewn that although those laws were plausible
'earance, they were, i.e reality, of no benefit to the
the
did not despiir of seeing the Right Hon.
,et the innovator of his own law.—(Hear, hear)
at tts!'t no wish to over-represent anything ; but looking
ArEaeincrease of poor-rates in the borough he repre-
Pee d• riteeed, he must confess he was completely ,tag-
ct,„:lC believed that the time was not far distant when,
tns of debates in that House and discussions else-
-7,44•L',"41, Pe' would make it impossible for the House to
R,elng justice to the people.—(Hear, hear.) 'With
‘s-4,_t command tb a country had over machinery, if
tidt )3 'Nets of the world were only thrown open to it,
eiereest results miglet be expected; but, if those markets
8e wto be closed to the manufactures of this country,
e b,Z.rst eppreheeisions might be entertained.—(Hear.)
.444 :eyed it to be the intention of the Government to
.Ithtiee-yrY good measure—(Hear, hear)—and, as an in •
!daii" of that. he might state that when it was asked to
t atie f")reigti st liar, for the purpose of manure and feed-
ettttle it • was refused.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon.
,
to
Alr. "'lran co ncluded by supporting the motion.
.t:4 the
believed that every day had added
of Ztla statements made with respect to the distress
:714 -OW t ry. Whatever inconvenience Hon. Members
it}lriseitr 3 U bjected to, he felt it to be his duty not to
th '‘""1 a bearing his part in the debate on the subject.
ahieb tit it the Hetuse ought to consider the evils under
people, were labouring, and do all in their
des w remee.‘y them. It was only a year ago that
t:ltettrere obliged to bring forward the distress of the
break 4% aid since that period the distress had increased
-„n11 )egad ratio. The House was now about to
be movie'
• ar.d if they were to tell the people that the•
1)Q 1:;`" • tleey had passed were the only ones that could
they r(-). ug'ht forward for their good, he thought
tte.e.av'sc't /Ad have. great right to cornplain.—(Hear.)
'e 1141 one of those who bad supported the tariff ; but
!tee „ also felt that it carried out very imperfectly the
fee inciples of commercial policy. The tariff had,
‘)11,..4 ;Mice, diminished the duty upon coffee ; but that
titny-es iion was neutralised by the retention of the old
41'411' 'port sugar. The condition of our shopkeepers,
'her as that of our labourers, was every day becoming
tiny, lamentable. Every individual placed below the
"IracY was suffering deeply from the declir'a
doe; ',•cl2r trade. The middle classes were nee; re-
etel aleaost to a level with the labouring classes,
this el. theY must both sink . to the same matte of
‘v , ;.t i.f relief did not soon arrive. The truth
iht 4 tiatall classes must suffer if the great manufacturing
q.,hest of the community were permitted daily to de-
fitc,
s Sentiments of the deepest hostility to the menu-
'''rs of the country had been uttered by the pay&
a)r, ktlif the party opposite, and, wishes had even been
t ex-
fel.; 'ttltjlat they should meet with total ruin. Now, he
atilt
that wishes must soon be accomplished, unless
I.,.:xiiir.eraedy for the decline of our commerce were
„I,PPlied. The Hon. Member for Nottingham
Ti'."i G. .Knight) talked of suppressing the mtria
bpi
,kseofdiscontent created by the prevailing distress, and
pde()af hanging the prophets. 13,-dt the course - recora-
evi h3' the lion. Gentlenitto' could not redress the
Ito h(-44,t of which those
tai hesitation in tellieig• complaints arose. He
the. House that he saw
ii (it c.)ll,,rusl'ect at the
tr,.de present moment of a revival
lY and • A VA harvest might contribute par-
' ; bmta"/en'oftrily tO alleviate the prevailing dis-
111loyttig° arvest coold hold out ft prospect.of giving
r)tat ,i 0 •t" t. 4 our labrairers ; and it was that employ
wh:Tl which could effectually remedy the evils
ill eth the country suffered, He had heard corn-
y lee °f rnachhery ; but it should not be forgotten
atiOriaTriived machinery was one of' the sources of the
lila great nesse He had no hesitation in saying that
tie 6,
Iton nlencturers of England had done their duty to
-tintri, and if they were not fettered in their
a system of unsound and pernicious
ail al ,01;
s't nt would still have found einployment,
~erviCe'quent comfort, for those engeged in their
•Alleteviiti. tie, conjured the House nut to continue
Nell a 'e to the sufferings of the people. The result of
Alltiemve('lrse would be to expose to great risk the insti-
ere ci et the country. He was convinced that•the people
ad znee,Ply discontented; and never, to his knowledge,
Wes ,ntgittod such appalling prospects before her as at the
seric,,,s,nloment. He should again call upon the House
tituatotY to consider this subject, and to do justice to
perity. 'whom
'e were mainly indebted for our 1,-;Piear, heat )
pros-
of. •-^ ei„,;;IT).EHOUE read a paragraph from
way report
iss_ ..-atee which had sat in 1835, and of hch Mr.
t4un4l Was
t.;4 a member to the effect that that Coin-
?or refused to -ccnsient to. a if the English
by krialst4 404 any tprina which had then Iglort offered