The Sun.
London, England, 1827-10-31 00:00:00

BRITISH CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION.

An open Meeting of this body took place yester-
day at the Freemasons"Favern,
W. WITHAM, Esq. in the Chair.
Mr. BLOUNT, the Secretary of the Association,
read a number of letters from Catholic Clergymen in
England, in answer to a late recommendation of the
Association, requesting them to use their influence
among their flocks in raising subscriptions, for the
purpose of printing and distributing tracts to counter-
act the false impressions made by their adversaries.
Most of these answers stated their congregations
were in general so poor that they had little hopes of
raising money for such a purpose. One of them
stated the fiearers attending his chapel could with
difficulty spay a penny a week for a seat on the
benches in the chapel. Mr. Blount then read the
minutes of the last Meeting, and the Report of the
Committee.

Mr. QuIN, in rising to move a resolution, would
take the opportunity first of objecting to a standing
rule of the Association, that four Meetings in the
year should take place at stated periods. The in-
convenience of that was frequently manifest, and on
no occasion more so than the present, when so few
attended, on account of the greater part of the Nobi-
lity and Gentry who took an interest in the Catholic
Question being out of town. He should, on some
future occasion, propose that an alteration as to the
time of meeting should be made. He then moved
that the minutes of the last meeting be confirmed,
and the Report of the General Committee be adopted.
Mr. FRENCH objected to the motion. One of the
' resolutions of the last meeting was to the effect that
the Association regretted the " heavy calamity"
which it had sustained by the death of Mr. Canning.
He was sorry to see that such opinions as generally
prevailed, had gone abroad respecting that Minister,
and however the audience might differ from hits on
that point, he hoped they would allow him to pro-
ceed without interruption.—(Hear.) He never
could believe that Mr. Canning was sincere in what
he said respecting his zeal for the Catholics, either
in public or private, for he never had been in a hurry
in advocating their cause, and there never was the
smallest probability that any thing like unqualified con-
cessions would have been obtained under his auspices.
The people of England had been enlightened on the
subject, and to no man did they owe half so much
for this favourable change of sentiment as to Mr.
Cobbett.—(Hear, hear.) To Cobbett, and not to
Canning, was the praise due. Mr. French then
moved that the 'word special in the resolution in
praise of Mr. Canning be left out.
Mr. SULLIVAN seconded the motion, when, after
some desultory conversation between the Chairman,
Mr. Blount, Mr. Quin, and Mr. French, he moved
an amendment, that the resolution in toto should be
expunged.
Mr. BLOUNT was serry to see such a subject of
discussion excited at that moment.

Mr. TERRY expressed his most unqualified dis
approbation of Mr. French's attack on the memory
of Mr. Canning, and regretted exceedingly that such
a course had been pursued. There was always a
set of persons like Mr. French, who took every op-
portunity of selecting a course different from that of
the great body, in order to raise dissensions and in-
jure the general cause. The great body of the Ca-
tholics—he might say the whole of them—looked
upon Mr. Canning's death not as a public but a pri-
vate calamity, and no statement could be more false
than that he destroyed the effect of any speech he
made in favour of the Catholics by the peroration.
He would only appeal to the recollection of those
who heard him, whether the peroration of his last
speech on the subject was not in direct contradic-
tion to what Mr. French had stated. He compared
the hardships of the Catholics to the bondage in
which the Israelites were held by Pharaoh, and
concluded by stating, " that if by the vote of that
night the House refused to agree to the motion, he
shuddered to contemplate the consequences."—
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. FRENCH rose to reply, but was called to order
by Mr. E. MACDONELL. He still, however, conti-
nued to reply amidst loud cries of " Order, Chair;
spoke, spoke." " I will be heard," said he, " I will
not be put down by noise." He then addressed
himself to Mr. Quin, and imputed to him that he
took part with the speaker who had made an attack
on him, in order that he might get ,his own speeches
into the papers.
Mr. QUIN declared, that so far from being on ha-
bits of intimacy with the gentleman, he had not
spoken to him for the last twelve months.
Mr. ANDREWS—This Association represents the
aristocracy of the Catholic body.—(No, no.) Mr.
Canning was the bitterest enemy the Catholics ever
bad.—(Hisses and cheering.) The great body of
the Catholics were adverse to Canning. The Bill
of 1813 was introduced through his means, and con-
demned by the whole Catholic body. How, then,
think of lauding a man who never had done any
good to the Catholics, English or Irish, who
trampled on the rights of the people ? and he there-
-fore sincerely hoped that, for the sake of their own
character, they would reject that resolution.
Mr. ENEAS MACDONELL said, that whatever
might be the result of this meeting, he should take
care there should be no misunderstanding as to facts.
This Committee would not submit to be styled the
aristocracy of the Catholic body—they had been
appointed by the Catholics of England, and if now
these Catholics believed them unfit for their situa-
tion, they had only to say so, and they would re-
sign their situations. He must say that this discus-
sion, in every point of view, was painful—the re-
sult would be disagreeable in whatever way it might
terminate : on the one side or the other it would be
nearly the same, and nothing could make amends for
the bare mention of such accusations. Besides, the
attack was unfair. Mr. Canning, who had been thus
assailed, was not here to defend himself. He was
no admirer of Mr. Canning's political opinions, but
he hoped no political feelings would ever induce him
to consent to such a proposition as that made by Mr.
Sullivan, or to agree to the opprobrium cast on Mr.
Canning by another speaker. Who could stand be-
fore George Canning in advocating the general
principle& of liberty ? Who had done so much for
the cause throughout the world ? None. But not-
withstanding this, he was decidedly opposed to him
on the question of securities'; and if a Bill were
carried through Parliament clogged with restrictions,
he would sooner throw all up than accept it if ac-
. coMpanied by securities.—(Hear.)
Mr. SHEA called Mr. Macdonell to order, and
submitted the impropriety of discussing the question
of securities on that occasion.
Mr. MACDONELL thought there was no impro-
priety in mentioning the subject. It was a subject
of great importance, and if a Bill should ever be
passed having for one of its clauses that the Crown
should have the power of interfering in the nomina-
tion of Catholic Bishops he would oppose it. But
besides this regret for Mr. Canning's death did not
imply that he was all perfect. If no man who had
faults was to be praised, whom could they praise ?
The very fact that the Tory party made such a violent
opposition to him, was the most convincing proof that
his principles and theirs were not the same—and it
was well known what the opinions of the Tories
were regarding emancipation. Mr. Macdonell con-
cluded by appealing to Mr. French whether this op-
position and angry discussion, would not delight
their common enemies, and called upon him to with-
draw his motion.
• Mr. FRENCH.—The motion is not mine ; and pro-
ceeded again to address the audience on the subject.
Dr. COLLINS rose at the same time, and insisted
on being heard ; but Mr. French refused to yield.
and continued for some time, amidst loud cries of
" Order, order ! Chair, chair ! Hear, hear ! Hear
him !"

Mr. BLOUNT.—If this scene of confusion is not
put an end to, I must request the Chairman to dis-
solve the meeting.
Mr. QUIN submitted that Mr, Freueii had also

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spoken, and moved, that the sense of the meeting
should be taken as to his right to speak.
Mr. FRENCH—I see they have come to trick me
in this way. -
Dr. COLLINS—Is there no possibility of making
him hold his tongue ?

The CHAIRMAN, in answer to what had fallen from
Mr. French, that he had not finished his speech,
argued that, instead of finishing his speech, he had
for some time been replying to the speech of another.
Mr. FRENCH—Aye, but I had not done with
speaking, and I wished to dilate on the subject.
Dr. COLLINS--I am a clergyman, and cannot
submit to be interrupted constantly.
Mr. FRENCH—You interrupted me.
Dr. COLLINS could not submit to this interruption
when his own conduct was called ill question. He
had been a Member of the Committee, and approved
of the resolution. He considered Mr. Canning had
done much to do away with prejudices on the Catho-
lic question.
A Mr. CALLAGH, a Catholic clergyman, who had
stepped in on passing, proceeded at some length to
inveigh, as was understood, against Mr. Canning,
but he spoke in such a wild outlandish accent, that
it is useless to attempt to give an outline of what
he said.

Mr. BLOUNT regretted exceedingly the course
which the discussion had taken.
Mr. QuiN disclaimed all personal hostility to Mr.
French, acknowledged his talents, and regretted
only that the Learned Gentleman had not succeeded
so well in politics as in literature, and every thing
connected with it. With regard to the subject be-
fore them, he would only ask in what a state the
Cabinet was in:-August, and whether they (the
Catholics) were not called upon to express their
regret for the death of Mr. Canning. In June,
July, and part of August, the majority of the Ca-
binet were in favour of the Catholics, but on the
Bth .of that month the centre of the arch was dis-
solved, and the Catholics expected every moment
to see the Tories,_ their unbending opponents, sub-
stituted in their:ptace.
Mr. FRENCH here interrupted Mr. Quin, and
asked if he was a member ?
• Several voices replied at once that he was.
Mr. FRENCH—I deny that he is a member, and
notwithstanding what is said, I will not believe it
till I see it in writing.
The books were then produced, but Mr. French
at last took the clerk's word that Mr. Quin had
given him a cheque for 31. after entering the room.
Mr. QUIN resumed, and asked if any man could
deny that Mr. Canning's death was a heavy calamity
for the Catholics, and he was convinced every Ca-
tholic of any judgment, regarded it as such.—(" No,
no," from Mr. French.) It remains to be seen if
the sentiments of the meeting are like your's, and if
the Catholic Association will sanction such a mea-
sure.

Mr. Sta.uvAN.—Do you call this the Catholic
Association ? There are not more than fifty persons
in, the room.
Mr. Quis.—lf a stranger had come into the
room during Mr: French's philippic against Mr.
Canning, he must Have concluded at once that he
was a supporter of Londonderry, Sir T. Lethbridge,
and all those opposed to liberal opinions.—(" I am
no Jacobite," from Mr. French.) He asks what
monument Mr. Canning left. Has it been forgotten
that he released us from the yoke of the Holy Alli-
ance, and that he introduced and passed through the
Commons a Bill for allowing Catholic Peers to sit
in Parliament ? But he should consider it disre-
spectful to the memory of that great man to say a
word more, and concluded by opposing the motion.
Dr. COLLINS begged, to state what had been said
by a high authority on the subject. Lord Eldon
had given it as his opinion, that if Mr. Canning bad
recovered from his illness, the Catholic Question
would have been carried next Session.

After a few more attempts to speak on the part of
Mr. French and Mr. Sullivan, the amendment was
put, that all the resolutions be confirmed, excepting
that which praised Mr. Canning.

For the Amendment 9
Against it 2O
The original motion was then put and carried.
Mr. UALLAGt4 then moved a resolution, which, as
far as it could be understood, disapproved of Mr.
Canning's conduct respecting the securities and the
" wings."
Mr. FRENCH seconded the motion, and was pro-
ceeding with digression after digression—one time
speaking of a monument to Canning; another time
of one to Brougham, when the greater part of the
Meeting lost all patience, and left the room. Our
reporter was carried away in the rush, and cannot
give any account of the breaking tip of the Meeting,

The remains of the Earl of PEMBROKE are
to be removed to-morrow from Privy-gardens, for inter-
ment in the family vault at Wilton, near Salisbury, Wilts.

Miss PATON is confined to her house by a
cough and hoarseness.
PROGRESS OF LITERATURE IN AFRICA.—
At a late meeting of the Academie de Geographic, M. Q.
Barbie du Bocage read a letter from M. Rousseau, Consul-
General for France at Tripoli, in which he announces the
establishment at that town of a Monthly Political and Lite-
rary Journal, under the title of the.Affican Investigator
The first number was published on July 31._ journal des
Debats.

FASHIONABLE ARRIVALS.—The Duke of
Wellington, on Sunday, at Apsley House, from the North ;
the Marquis of Douro, yesterday, at Apsley House, from
Strathfieldsay ; the Marquis of Bath, at his house in Gros-
venor-square, from Paris; Lord Barnard, yesterday, in
Connaught-place, from Sussex ; Lord and Lady Saye and
Sele, from Belvidere Park ; Colonel and Mrs. Gore Lang-
ton, at their house in Grosvenor-square, from their seat,
Newton Park, Somersetshire ; Colonel and Mrs. John
Smith, in Piccadilly, from Harrowgate ; Major and Mrs.
Fraser, in Brook street, from Ramsgate; Colonel Gabriel,
in Piccadilly, from Epsom ; Earl of Egmont, in Hen-
rietta-street, Cavendish-square, from Epsom ; Lord Dil-
lon, in Baker-street, from Sussex ; Major Broderick, in
the Albany, from the Netherlands ; Colonel and Mrs. Ar-
thur, in Green -street, Park-lane, from Cheltenham ; Mr.
John Caloraft, M.P. from Corfe Castle, in St. James's-
square ; Captain and Mrs. Vernon, in Grosvenor-place,
from Rotterdam ; Lady Elizabeth Talbot, in Grosvenor-
square, from Monmouth ; the Hon. Edward Petre, in
Grosvenor-square, from a tour ; Mr. and Mrs. Moorsom
and family, at the Hyde Park Hotel, Hyde Park-place,
from Whitby; Mr. end Mrs. Walford and family, at ditto,
from Shropshire; J. Scott, Esq. at ditto, from ditto; his
Excellency the General Saldanha, at ditto, from Lisbon;
J. P. Esq. at ditto, from Charleywood ; Sir Gre-
gory and Lady Way, at the Burlington Hotel, Old Bur-
lington and Cork-streets, from Canterbury; T. H. Lester,
Esq. at ditto, from Armytage Park', near Litchfield ; J.
Murrist, Esq. at ditto, from a tour ; T. Burgess, Esq. at
ditto, from Ireland ; J. Jarratt, Esq. at Fenton's Hotel,
St. James's-street, from Surrey ; the Hon. Messrs. Jer-
ningham, at the Royal Hotel, ..St. James's-street, from a
tour; W. B. Le Gros, Esq. at ditto, from Dorsetshire ;
Edward Beaumont, Esq. at ditto, from his seat in York-
shire; Mr. and Mrs. Fenwick, at the British Hotel, Jer-
myn-street, from their seat near Frome; Captain Baird, at
ditto, from Paris ; Dr. De Courcy Laffan, at Gordon's
Hotel, from Staffordshire.
DEPARTURES.__Mr. John Hornby, for
Titchfield, in Hampshire ; Mr. Robert Frankland, M.P.,
for Ballards, near Croydon ; Mr. and Mrs. T. Browne,
from Grosvenor-street, for the Continent ; the Bishop of
Salisbury, from Miller's Hotel, Jermyn-street, for the Pa-
lace, Salisbury; William Forbes, Esq. from ditto, for
Bath ; Captain and Mrs. O'Reilly, from the Bath Hotel,
Arlington-street, for Ireland ; William Hawkins, Esq.
from ditto, for Paris; Captain Van, from the Burlington
Hotel, for Oxford ; Mr. and Mrs. Ellis, from the Bri-
tish Hotel, for Norfolk ; J. Forbes, Esq., from ditto, on
a tour.
CHANGEs.---General Sir William Cockburn

and family, from Brighton, to Lansdowne-crescent, Bath;
Miss Fox and Miss Vernon, at Little Holland House, from
a tour; Sir Francis Burdett, from Chatsworth, for Fore-
mark, in Derbyshire ; the Hon. Colonel Fulke Greville
Howard, from Litchfield, for Castle Rising, in Norfolk;
Colonel and Mrs. Hughes, from Caernarvon, for Kimmel
Park, near St. Asaph ; Lord Middleton, from Warwick-
shire, for Wolloton House ; the Duke of Grafton, from
Newmarket, to his seat, Euston Park ; the Dowager
Countess of Sheffield, from Sheffield-place, in Sussex, for
Grieve Hall, in Yorkshire; Major and Mrs. Howard, from
Newport, in the Isle of Wight, to Brighton.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. I

NEWMARKET HOUGHTON MEETING.
MONDAY, OCT. 29.

(CONCLUDED FROM OUR PAPER OF YF.STRRDAY3
Match-200 sovs. h. ft. D.M.
Duke of Richmond's Gulnare, Bst. 91b 1
Lord Exeter's Marinello, Bst.
A fine race.-2 to 1 on Gulnare.
Match-100 sovs. T.M.M.
Colonel Wilson's Lamplighter, Bst.
Lord Wharncliffe's Pastime, Sst. 91b 2
Won easy by a length.-2 to lon Pastime.
Match-300 sovs. T.M.M.
Mr. Payne's Babel, Bst. 4lb
Lord Exeter's Hobgoblin„ Bst. 41b. 2
Won by a length-7 to 4on Babel.
Match, 100 soya. D.I. sat. 411). each.
Mr. Scott Stonehewer's Souvenir 1
Mr. Irby's Toso
Won easy-6 to 4 on the winner.

TUESDAY EVENING.
At the betting•-rooms last night, and in the town this
morning, there was much heavy betting ; the odds up to
twelve o'clock this day were as follows :

DERBY.
s to 1 agst The Colonel (talc.) I 81. to 1 agst Merchant (taken)
17 to 1 agst Druid (takett).

OAKS.

9 to 1 agst Trampoline (tak.) 115 to 1 agst Olympia f.
9 to 1 agst Turquoise (taken) 20 to I agst Bess f.
The following is an account of the day's sport
Match-50 sous. T.Y.C.
Lord Tavistock's Hostage, Sat. 10Ib.
Lord Wharneliffe's f. by Whisker, 6st. 121 b 2

Match, 200 sovs. A.F.—Sir John Shelley's Maresfield,
Bst. 41b. agst the Duke of Richmond's Miss Craven, Bet.
Off by consent.

Match-100 soya. T. Y.C.
Colonel Udny's Tarandus, 10st.
Mr. Ramsbottorn's Prism, Sat 2
Match-200 soya. A.F. Bst. 51b. each.
Sir J. Shelley's Johnny 1
Lord Orford's Protestant
Handicap Sweepstakes of 10 sovs. each. T. Y.C.
Mr. Wyndham's Stumps, 3 yrs, Bst. 101 b. 1
Mr. Payne's Serenade, S yrs, 7st. 101 b.
Lord Anson's Noureddin, 4 yra, Bst. ••••••• 0
Mr. Walker's Intruder, S yrs, 7st. 51b. •••• 0
Mr. Payne's c. by Whalebone, 3 yrs, 7st. 41b. 0
Mr. Rogers's Nonsuit, 3 yrs, 7st. 41b 0

Fifty Pounds, for two-yr-olds and upwards. Last three
miles of B. C.
Duke of Grafton's Turcoman, S yrs
Duke of Richmond's Linkboy, 4 yrs 2
Mr. Wyndham's Black Swan, 4 yrs
Lord Tavistock's Demon, 3 yrs
Mr. Greville's Dandelion, 3 yrs 0
Mr. Pettit's ch. f. by Woful, 2 yrs
Lord Exeter's Hobgoblin, 4 yrs 0
Mr. Goddard's c. by Anticipation, 3 yrs., 0
Mr. Stevenson's b. c. by Skim, 3 yrs 0
Col. Wilson's Sister to Lamplighter, 3 yrs 0
Mr. Sowerby's Skiff, 6 yrs
Sweepstakes of 300 soya. each. A. F
Sir John Shelley's Johnny
Four paid.