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London, England, 1845-04-12 00:00:00

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The Lour) CHANCELLOR rook his seat on the Woclsack
at Five o'Clock.
Petitions were :presented: against the union of the secs of
Bangor and St. Asaph.
The Bishop of LICHFIELD presented several peti-
tions, none of which were worthy of notice.
MAYNOOTII.

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A number of petitions were also presented against the
grant to Mavnooth. by the Earl of Eglinton, the Bishop of
London, and the Duke of Hamilton. Those presented by the
Duke of Hamilton referred to the feelings of the people of
Scotland, who he stated were against the grant.
'the Biehep of Chester, the Bishop of Bangor. the Bishop
of Lichfield, the Marquis of Lansdowne, Lord Denman, and
several other Noble Lords, presented petitions against any ad-
ditional grant to Mayroeth.
The Earl of MIDDLETON presented a petition from the
board of guardians of Bromley, in the county of Worcester,
prayirg that the owners of small tenements should be made
liable for poor-rates instead of the ore upiers.
The Duke of BUCCLEUCH presented a petition praying
their Lordship, to take steps to ameliorate the condition of
Scotch schoolmaeters
Lord CAMPBELL gave notice that on Monday he intended
to present to their Lordships a petition of some importance
respecting the custody of Lunatics in`collard
THE GAME-LAW-.
The Earl of H A DDINGTON presented petitions from the
tenant-farmers of Essex, complaining rf the great i vent to
which game was I ow i reserved in this country.
CUSTODY OF SUSPECTED CRINIIN ALS—MR.
WAKLEY AND '1 HE POLIcE.
The Marquis of NORMAN BY sai ' he had intended to put
4 question to a Noble Load connected with the Govern-
!went concerning a seteewhat unseemly cordless which
had lately taken place between two authorities as to the cus-
tedy of persons suspected of having committed the crime of
murder. Since he had intimated this intention the opinion
of the Home Secretary on the subject bad been com-
municated to the public in a letter to the Co.
tuner fur Middlesex. A decision involving one particular
Part of the question had also been gone into before a judge at
chambers, and he also further understood, that it was the in-
tention of the Coroner to make a further appeal to the Court
of_ o Queen's Bench. Under these circumstancee, reserving
altogether any expression of opinion on his part, he thought
was desirable that he should postpone for the pre-
sent any question relating to this subject.
IRIsH RAILWAYS.
tenThti e Marquis of CLANRICAR• E gave notice of his in-
Redn4wr on Monday, to put a question to the President of the
the /2 Department of the Board of. Trade, on the subject of
sh ailways. It was to ascertain if the promoters of the.
presentlinn Irish railway schemes had all complied with the proto-
ns of the Registration Act.
The Bastardy Bill then went through Committee.
THE SUGAR DUTIES BILL.
tie of
MONTEAGL fe presented a petition from the Chain-
tie.° Commerce of Manchester against the Sugar Duties
_J.,• The petition was one of coreiderable importance, and
.5 their Lordships were not in the habit of erinting petitions,
n! would take the liberty of suggesting that the Noble Lord
o had the care of the suger Duties Bill in that House,
should carefully peruse its contents.
; The Earl of DA L HOUNIE roes to move the third- read-
flC of the Sugar Duties Pill. He said he would on that
occasion confine himself simply to a statement of the views
of her Majesty's er Government in bringing forward the pre-
:eh" measure. It would be probably in the recollection of
tt.eie.introducing House, that in the Bill of last year before
their Lordships' attention, he had referred to the Lecessits
43 -adopting some alteratims with respect to the supply of
latitear fee the e :nsumprion of the cnuetry. He had sed that
though the preduce of thn t. as. Indies and the Mauritius had
r considerably increased, it was net yet sufficient to mee
2ey
deficiencies of the supply from their other colonies, and he
thenstated the general result. of the tailing off that had taken
Place in the whole supply available for the consumption of the
country in late years. During the year 1813 the supply was
tons;
tons, whilst the consumption had reached 302e,00
eSI : the demand, therefore, was greater than the supply.
istt hough there was no probability of a falling off in the coming
Year, it appeared to the Government to be desirable, in case
there Should be a recurrence of so disastrous a contingency,
nointroduce the present Bill for the purpose of meeting it, by
wing the introduction of sugar at a lower rate of duty
from,.._.certain countries named it, the Bill, being countries in
nleh sugar was raised entirely by free labour. The Noble
Lord then entered into a statement of the provisions
beethe Pill, and proceeded to say that it would be right,
.re
third -
asking their Lordships to give their assent to its
been urged reading,
to advert to one or two objections which had
parliament.
urged against the measure during its progress through
`-s 'lament. It had been stated that in order to justify the
_sacrifice of so large an amount of duty, they ..were bound to
show that stubstantial good would accrue to the consumer. The
Ss ble Lord entered into a statement to show that the con•
!Inter would benefit to a considerable extent by the reduc-
tion of the duty on sugar—that such benefit would be felt
more especially by the middle and lower classes ; and,
moreover, that the consumption of the article would be so
greatly increased by the diminution of the price, that the
sacrifice would, in a great measure, be retrieved. As to
the objections which had been made to the classification of
Sugars, he could r nly say, that such a practice existed in
France, in the Visited State, of America, and in Swede,.,
and that in Java there were no lest than eighteen different
classifications. The system of classification worked well in
each of these countries, and he could not see any reason
why it should not answer the expectations of the British teo•
vernment. As to the objection that-foreign slave-grown
sugar would be smuggled into this country, it appeared to
him that the certificates of origin would afford sufficient pro-
tection against such a practice ; besides which, it ap-
peared, from returns for the last ten years, that the
Price of sugar at New Orleans and New York had been
such that it would not be the interest of the Americans to
send their sugars to this market. It was clear that the
rgar of Louisiana could not be imported at a price sufficiently
ire to come into competition with the sugars of this country.
Pun the general question of the admission of the sugar of all
countries at the same rate of duty, he contended that such a
theeanre would be most unjust to the British colonies, which
was
Government was bound to protect, and that, therefore, it
L not merely a question of sound commercial and financial
l'onlief. neither had it been so treated. After all that had been
sub many years ago for the abolition of the slave trade, and
B.2.eSuently for the abolition of slavery, at the most costly
kZence--after the innumerable treaties into which this country
yhe entered—gfter the enormous force employed in all parts of
colt world—he asked how it was possible to adopt a
80duel's of legislation which must have the effect of intro-
a the staple produce of slave-labour into this country?
of thug as it was the declared opinion of Parliament—the echo
pniiedeclared opinion of the nation, that it ought to be the
toi,,y of Great Britain to discountenance slavery, it icemen
wireuu.that Government was no- allowed a choice, even if ii,
ever gllosed to make one. In such a case, what appeal could
tbeener be wade to foreign countries, or what pretence could
Outer to enforce the regulations under existing treaties?
Great
Britain
would have a right to say that the practice of
tem.. ratan gave the lie to her professions, and she would he
d aztoot only that she had deserted her principles, but that she
she imPted a shuffling evasion of the consequences of i he policy
give 1 thlir"ied. He, therefore. requested their Lordships to
The el reading to the Bill upon the table.
11,1)0n Earleseeef CLARENDOss wished to make a few remarks
!Ilea:tart he conceived would be the practical operation iii
it wei'aS well as upon the principle it involved. The morn
It.ct the obects in view • and it would introduce new
-.cies s
Itchy , into our fiscal system, instead of that siro-
eharawegY which it was important that it eheuld be
which
e• her
Not a cargo of sugar would arrive, in
ne• t. nurr the merchant would not unintentionally defrau
Renesreentie
officers, or the revenue officers the merchant.
With die: well satisfied the West India interest might be
this eat protection, they would not be satisfied with
fertsequelltuld mainly because they saw that the inevitable
tutritod ee must be a further change. Confusion must
Pending Y arise out of the enforcement of the distinctions de-
ItifoillitilY"'n colours grain, and saccharine matter, and no
geattja could be expected in the practice of the outports
s nef eeinr Ater' classification must be a failure, and ere Ling an
Illssifje,t.ll4 duty, as in the case of tea, must be adopted. If
nets toj,°en had been possible, it might have been cairied into
"S trad white the East India Company had the monopoly of the
the e ; but even then it was soon discovered to be out of
Wis. hciedilee. tictn, and the general duty of 2s. Id. per lb. was esta-
tried ~e The experiment now once mare to be made had been
;14 nitre-art a'l over again, and it had always been followed by
eh:atage in !,of crime, and of loss to the revenue. Another
140_ the law must, ere long, be made. The market would
'Noted 1',4 into confusion, and great individual hardships
Vigo, inter inflicted. By the treatir s of reciprocity, the
ry free I_, W, introduced from other countries where it was cultivated
Zeit. thesoour, was to be imported into this country were to
13Y the same duty as those from China. Java, and Manilla
48 19th bed_Clause of this Act, it was decreed that the duty on
es, gti sugar from foreign possessions, which had hitherto been
the 'lt", should be reduced to ls. Id. ; and that on sugar of
heeektutore quality from British Colonial possessions, which had
eltdo er‘e been 253. 9d was reduced to 14s ; that on Muse°.
the CrLAeh had been 35"5. 9d. was reduced to 235. 4d. Since
etsd euurition of the difference made between iefined sugar
to Muscovado, a third class had been introduced,
'il
this mud white clayed sugar. The duty laid Sin
Colt
I Col was
s which
while that imported from the British
, watch had been 163, 4d. was reduced to 14s.
sessPlC_ared that the whole of the produce of the British ro•-
tte47and Mauritius would vary from 250,000 to 250.000
at 2Z, that fro.n Manilla and Java, and China, was estimated
tniki,:°oo tons, the stock in hand at about 45,000 tons.
$1,6_,1 the total available for consumption an aggregate of
esiti37o tons. The reduction of duty was shown by the cir-
-3,9167,,,5ea. that for 1845.6 the whole amount estimated was
of I 3'ri., that for 1844 was 5,216e500/., showing a decrease
fbree:en"leto°oof L. It was known that a decrease of duty led to a
eseale price, and an increase of consumption. The quantity
eunny consumed was at the rate of IMs per individual per
film' tricking eking a proportionate consumption. of one-third of a
• , hs_yer week, and causing a saving to a labouring man of
rd
oiaz !eek per family. Thie, though small, was equal to one-
tse!' al the whole expense. The Noble Lord then went into
• th nee of returns
e ~e, for the years 1830 to 1844. to prove that
With" lee affected the consumption in an invariable proportion.
kuevoreaPe...t to the cla•sification and the difficulty that had been
teunemtqassitukely to attend on the distinguishing qualities in this
sues, _ was said were not felt at Gratz in Sweden, or it, the
4rs
islisuTl:ltaidtieths'
It aava w where this mode of classification was adopted,
here the classification extended to 18 qualities.
at it was impossible to make a distinction in this
irtint,..l7,b. e. tween slave and free-grown sugar, but, at all events,
~..2 old make the distinction, it would be totally inoperative,
hi-4,7_41e Americans would manage to import Louisiana. But
rah, thefLl7,s practicability of this, and, besides, the Ameri-
!l/2-iy "tre(,tvea better market for their produce than in Europe.
Iseettient t 1
errnYears ago, the term property i an was a con-
, and he believed that other countyies would not
hiegus inlde;ds.by our schemes of morality. Biazil and other coun-
-44 of ,Sant.say—er we have read 'Blue-books, and while you
hith... aladhne33 and chatety, we ere aware of the excess of
ran' to which
()Nit your artizans are exposed ; we knew the im-
. tlien aYncito_Which your people are subjected in consequence of
• ;,_
_reeiee ~,n,„'unen working together in mines, and we will not
• slsSie etl_ Lour manufactures unless you repeal the laws by which
hit ormittes are authorised." "I hey would to a certainty
let,,,m,lit or, indirectly carry this into effect. The whole of the
slave trade was perfectly useless. fi r it
!..11411•11:reerliel:epeuePress the
was
that the attempt to obliterate it from hums,
Ztabe that al
perfectly futile. If they said to the people of
hi, ~_ they would take none of their Incur
canker 'one} were quite ready to receive their
null times
n 707( Hear)—the extraction of which was
d.l times
of se' dead)} and onerous to the slave that. the pro-
_..: i„..„. _,:igar•
.The very same thing held with regard to
toleacce ' iad
", ve abo::: America. They objected to receive the sugar of ,
yet they weie quite ready to receive the
. Bleed bandthethewas
,cultivation of a set of slaves, who from their
sleefesen, teend. their. after experience, had a far more acute
s .1.! tu evils which they had to endure, than the slaves
taitsinßicaer orof off sin. y other slave country. They refused also
oiisiana when they were ready to encourage
s: euelar of
net:142.31c
Itotherwas
indeedplaces precisely in the same condition as
' bill -- -•very evident, that the only object in
siZsdia honest the protee!ion of our West India Colonies, and
~..4 ineo.hat before the time arrived for the conclusion of
IblitituteWe talt that they would propose some other
the would
notfor any longer
most odious impost, and that
longer hare the country to suppose that