The Sun.
London, England, 1820-07-13 00:00:00

TH U RSD AY, JULY 13, 1820;

TIMBER DUTIEi.

MINUTES of EVIDENCE relative to theTIMBER TRADE
- taken before the SELECT COMMITTEE of the FIOUSE
or LORDS, a Noiinted to inquire into the Means of extend
—ing and securing the POREIGNTILADE of the COUN-
TRY, and to Report to the House.
- (Continued from our Paper Of Tuesday last.)

Die lapis, lc• I.Bn.
The Marquess, of I, vcs' Go wNE in the Chair.
Order t../td-journm.elit read.
Grionar. NORMAN, Esq. is' called' in, and exa-
mined as folloW3 ;
' you have the Goodness to state to the Coinmittee
whst is your Business ?

Trading_ to the Norih of Europe ijn Wood,
During what lengtof time have you been engaged in that
!rosiness ?
Ali my life time.
Have yon betn engaged-in the Trade generally with all the
Northern Powers ?

%rub all the'Nort bern Powers.
Can you state to the Committee what effects hare been pro-
duced- upon the Nortlicru Trade, in Timber and Deals, by thy
alteration that has lately taken place at suc,.;essive -periods in
the.Seale ,of .Duties 2
I conceive that the alteration of the DUties has produced a
diminution of -importatiou'of Wood, respecting: some Conn-
equally as' respecting.the Baltic and Norway; be-
cause, as the Doty was the same upon the large size as the
small, that is, Deals &rn eight feet to twenty feet long paid
the sante Duty,'•th'e larger-sized 'Moils were naturally ex-
ported iby those Comitties- that produced • them the enlist,-
Oence was, those CountriTes which produced the largest
sizes increased their Export's, whilst "how Countries which
produced the smallei sizes hare decreased Weirs very much ;.
but ,the Exportation was kept up very much during the late
war; for that time it did not decrease, hat during the last
fire or six years, it has decreased very much; and with re-
.neci to Norway, the last• year it has amounted to very little;
But there arc other causes besides that ot the Ditties, which
havc assisted in occasioning a decrease in the Exportation
that ought to be stated. • -
%VW you state these Causes?

I conceive it to he partly the admission .of Canada Deals
wi• hunt any Duty at iii; the Ditty iQ 2tl'. I Is. SI. on a hun-
dred and twenty,' pieces, front eight fectin length to-twenty
Net.

Have the Timber and. Deals imported from the Northern
Ports been imported in chive!): Brinsh or in other vessels ?
From Norway chiefly .in foreign vessels; froM the other
ports I believe chiefly in. En4tish; during war, of course Prus-
sian Vessels came from Prussia; but dining the peace fewer
have Come; I believe some come now, hot not ;natty; the
fact is, more than ,-one-t bird ,of the ships engaged in the.
Trade to Norway are British ; two•thirds or.more are British
of those engaged in the Tiade to the Baltic Ports
(;an von state the cause of the difference,to which you hare
alluded, between the Norway 'trade, and the other Northern
Powers, the one heinC carried on principally in foreign, and.
the other in British vessels ?

believe it is axing to the. growth and increase of the. No-
rwegian and Swedish ships • during the late war; -they were
then the chief Carriers of Fitp.spe: hut this was not at all
the case with Russia, and.hut little with-Prussia; but these
ships arc decreasing.yery fast ; l befieve.thertaison they 'send
thew, is, because they ros3e, theuL . •

' Do you conceive that if, owing to the remissioni of Doty,
or to any other circumstance, any con'iderable increased Um-
purtatiou of Timber. from the 'North, vas to take place, that
increased roantity would be principally imported in British or
Foreign'Vesset; horn the Countries as a whole? • -
X conceive. that the increase of British ships is going-nni-be'
coos, they sail cheaper than.others: and because.foreign ships
wear out : but I slinuld presume, that in whatever ships they
could bring the • produce the cheapest, they would bring it in
hose,ships; as their ships'wear out, they. will-naturally come'
to the Engliph, ships; their own ships are- wearing nut Very.
fast,' but I cannot think 'mySelf qualified to say; except a
larger .duty was laid Upon goods brought by foreign,' than
upon goods brought by British ships, that they ,could of them-
selves prefer British ships to foreign, were it not on account
of cheapness.

You are of opii,ion that supposing the ships in both cases to
he now built for. the Trade,. that - British: freight would.he
cheaper than the foieign
I do -decidedly i 'There might be other reasons.'stated why
foreign. ships should come; a foreign Ship o.;tieris a ?ler-
chant to ali intents and purposes; this leads him to, form coa-
nections with Meabants, and that connect ion is a reason why
his ships .are.talion ;•-but I believe at this time the English
ships go cheaper thatt..ot hells; notwithstanding the duties. I
would beg to state that_as their ships aredecreasetl,and lest,
that they do not build them again, they do not find it answer;
to War .time, when they'.were. the carriers of Europe, th,n
was the timethey,built .their ships and.got the quantity they
have, I loran the Prussians and Norwegians, and also the
Danes and Swedes.

Is it -not,:also particularly the case With ships built by
Prussia at IMiS..woment ?
Yes, and the low freight would not bear them out in build-
ing ships at present.
lit-otrid not:Um:remission
.of the duties upon Timber im
ported from the, North, increase that comparative advantage
to which you have adverted, of British over foreign freight,
by diminishing the- cast of the materials in building?
To be Mlle,

Can you state to the Committee, what observations you
have made upon the comparative usefulness and duration of
Timbertruported:from the North, and Catiada Thither?

I cannot state, any.thing front my own observation respect-
ing Canada: Timber; Ilicre.,can be no doubt, that the most
durable Fir Wood is from Norway; the next most duiable is
frrn3dhe Baltic, that is. Dantzig and Riga: :I know nothing
of the..canada. wood,lint by report : the red wood. flora
'Norway and the Baltic, certainly. I consider as more durable
than the white.

OA? you,prefer, tbe;Prussian.or thelitissinn•?
That which grows in,Polan.(l, belonging to Prussia is•better
ban that which grows in Russia.

What sized Timber do you consider Norway capable of
furnishine.
I should think new, Norway- is not capable of furnishing
any Thither •above ten incites square, and ❑dt much of. that;
in ecneralfit is about, eight.
What if, the Itingth.? . •
The length runs [rims twenty to forty feat, say an average
of twenty-six fret. _

State the dimensions of tile Prussian. 'flintier ?
, With respect to, the dimensions of Prussian Timber, the
average is about the same in length as that of the Norwegian
'Timber, but thcre is:nonev less than twelve'inches thick, or
snore than fiftecn,,.anri it is quite square.
What are the dithenSions of the Russian Timber?

There conies very little Timbey from Russia
.which is grown
in that Country; I do not tinow above one or t wo" ports •4 hat
ship Timber ; I believe hat in general it is smaller, and of
inferior quality; but I cannot sprali to accurately toi hat as
to the Prussian.' During the late War some was exported
thence, but I hrlicre it is not above twelve inches 'square.—
Swed.:n as conjoined with Norway, I may say, ships large.
Timber twelve inches square.
Of what quality do,vou colder Swedish Timber?
The quality of Sweeliih Timber is as good as Prussian. •
15 any large portion of the Timber impoited from the Bal-.
tic employed in Shipbuilding ?
I believe not, but Government sometimes build ships of
war with it, and Fir Dtals are used for the decks-generally:
Is the Thither from the North of Europe liable to the dry
Rot?

I believe not naturally.
IS that from, Canack .?

. ..
We look . to the effects of buiWing' the Queen Charlotte at
Deihford,'which was rotten before she came out of the-Dock;
it was Canada Fir and Oak that was used-in T her:
1 n yOur opinion, can tl,, Timber im from the frothe Baltic
be so cousiderably etri4,,y(tl iii Decii.'s,' and finiibibag liiitisb

Ships, that the reduction of the ditty on' its importation would
materialily tend to lower the present price of freight ?
I do nat.
Do you know whether the 'limber imported from Canada is
imported in Euglish ships, or ships bilitt in Canada ?,
I-believe in English ships; but it is impossible for me to
say where built. I suppose they are built here.
The preference is given to Baltic Deal indecking 'ships,
over that of Canada; Ss it not ?
I never beard of any Canada Deal being used. I do not
know that they have not Used it here as a Deck Deal.
Then the importation Of Timber (roar Canada duty-free,
tends in no &Tree to prodder the present low rate of
freight ?
No, it does not strike me that it does ; the introduction of
Timber from Canada comes in English ships, either because
they are there or here, therefore it must tend to raise the
freight; for if there was no employment for British ships,
there would he so many more in the market. •
Does the low priCe Of the inferitir Canada Timber cause it
to be used in the plhokiug the decks of ships, •in preference
t”, the use of the higher priced but tulle) jar peals from the
Baltic ?

I am not concerned in Ship-building; as far as'l have heard,
no Canada Timber is used at all. I upy4er.heard of any being
used in ship-building, except by the. Navy. ,
Can you-state in what manner the Bills drawn on the Con-.
signes fOi the prod lice of cargoes of Timber from the North
hare generally been liquidated ?
I cannot ; but the freight is almost always spent here in
provisions, in goods, ropes; and sails, and so oh , they seldom'
if ever take atty freight home, it is always expended here.—
With respect to the present state of the Trade, Norway' is so
Much indebted to England; that itt here was to he a good re-
sidue of proceeds, nothing could he taken away; the truth is,
that at present nothing is left.

Is it in the power of Norway to
„discharge that debt, undei
the present existing regulations Of theTradein regard to them?.
It is -not.
To what circumstance do you attribute the cause that Nor-
Way 'ha's. bectpue so indebted to England ?
By advances which she' is always wanting. The great ad-
vances that have been-made; it is impossible to he repaid, in
consequence of the had circumstances of the trade, the cal-
goes yielding less and less; they yield nothing at this time.
To what cause do you attribute the importation from Prus-
sia being so mach more extensive than front Russia ?
I presume it is from the Rivers ; 1 believe so, without .be-
inz able to•speak as- a 'Geographer; they having the ad ran
tage of their Rivers, they are enabled to export cheaper than
Russia ; Riga belongs to Russia, but there is no great quan-1
tity of Timber comes from thence, in proportion to what
conies from Memel and Dantzig ? '
Have von been engaged generally in the Baltic Trade,' or
only in the Timber .Trade ?

Not generally; I have had other concerns in the Baltic
Tiade, but I have given thetn,up.
Is the debt due by Norway to England solely in consequence
of advances made to Norway, or in consequence of riritish
Manufactures which Norway has taken out of this Country,
without a power under the existing dotios of making a
return?

great deal, undonbtedly, from advancesou account of
400ds : some years hack; under the license system, every sl:ip
was oblized to take out goods equivalent to her cargo; that
was the time %%hen great advances were made ; of late years
the sales have been worse and worse; and so they are left
greatly in debt. In the year 1808, when the rupture with the
Northern Powers took place, I was owed 2,0001. fronkNorway;-
and now I an► owed 100,0001.

Can you state what- propertion -of English Manufactures
consumed by the:Northern Powers is imported thimigh-the
Baltic, and what through the German Fairs, or any other.
Channel ?

I really cannot ; there is a ship now taking out about -20,0001.
of Goods to Norway, but the Russians and Prussians seldom
take any. English Manufactures from hence; they take them,
I ht.lic.re, in a mote circuitous mode.

Yon stated they were compelled to take English Manufac-
tures in proportion to their cargoes; who compelled them ?
This Government tinder licence.
iiii•Wr long has .this debt of 100,0001. existed between you
and Noriva) ? -
It has' 14eeti accumulating for the last•six or seven year's ;' a
cargo,a n •ederate sized cargo, used to pay one thousand pounds,
and now it does not pay it shilling.
When was the last time that -you imported Under a li-
cence .?

I cannot recollect when the licence trade stopped; the'peace.
was-in 1614; it was' about a year before the peace, about the
year •M3;.it might be the year 181 e. -
Con ynci state to the Committee the amount of duties paid
by von individually between the yeari 1783 and 1819, in-
clusive ? 7

•In sonic years there was nothing paid ; but the whole
amount,. if I-may be permitted to refer, to a paecr, was
9a5';000.1. in. 32 years. have the particulars if necessary.
Would you have any objection to give in a statement to the
Committee of the amount of mutual duties
:paid by you ?
None, whatever; I have the account here from 1785; in that
year I see I paid 9,4371., the duty :wits 11. 13s. 9d., then it
increased gradually till it came in the year 18074°91. Is. 4d.,
that is live times as Much More; I paid 21,0001. that year.; in
the year 1311, the Middle of Jujy, it was 181. 2s. 8d ,it was
double, and I then paid 64,0001. ;• in the Year 1813,there was'
a \Vat- Tax, making it 211. I Is. Sd., then paid but-14,0001. ;
in the year ISls,,when the Peace was supposed to bring a-vast
increase of trade, the duly I then, paid ivai 104,0001., it did
not turn' out as was expected, and it fell off the next year to
22,0001. I will furnish the Committee with am) exact accodut:

Have you any written Statement that would explain, to-the
Committee the gradual falling of of tlie' Wood Trade to the
Baltic?

•
No, I have not.
What is the rate of Duty on Timber imported from the
Baltic into Ireland ?

It is nmderatcd very much to what it is here; it is a Scale
or propo►tional Duty ; hut the Duty upon th►'Deals
are generally used, which arc:as lon:r, I believe, as fourteen
feel, or from twelve to fourteen feet Con, is fourteen pounds
and a fraction. They import none larger, beause the price
would not enable them to pay the duty.

Therefore; the difference of Duty upon Deals of fourteen
feet imported in Ireland and England is no less than about •
six pounds.
I am not able to slate, exactly, what the Rates of Duties
are ingreland, but I- know what the Duty is upon twelve and
fourteen feet Deals; it was intended to be.t he same as.here,
but it was altered; in truth, twelve fe'CtDeak,retkOse that
e :generally otcd.• I can 'remember when'str. used none
elsu; long Deals have been brought in consequence of the
Duty. _ ,

If the same Rate of Duty Was establiklitqf in'Etiglarid as in
reland, do you conceive the Importation ivOuld be increased;
Ise same graduated Scale ?

• .• • .
It is a matter of Opinion, hut I think it would he more in
favour of Nor Way, if a Scale •Duty or proportional Duty was
adopted, • that such and such lengths, anitsuch and such
widths, shonld pay so much ; the consequence tcuuld be, that
that length wou!d be Preferred upon the whole, that could be
bought cheapest, for as the Duty is laid now, Only-ifife
ness cart, be brought; which is three inches ; formerly they
used to I): rug ut various thicknesses.
The Rate of Duty in Ireland.Faries according to length not
according tir thinness?'

No, there can he no importation in Ireland of a less thick.
ness than three inches, because you pay the s'inte duty if-it Is.
le.ss, as you do for that thickness of three inches
Is I he greater part of your, trade In logs or in deals?
My trade to Norway is chiefly,in Deals; that with the Baltic
is

dila). Timber.
71,,,ef0re you pay in •freielt the saute for deals 1 shOrt'
,„gt you' do for a long leugth; it is the same from eight
reef to twenty feet ? . _

_ . ,
is die 'sante from eight feet to twenty feet when the
plank or deals, therefore its -
exceed o 0 20 feet long, the width is in-
d'irPei7a-ba.ei:iitiiiias:tt*sead7:N:i'titill't.'s.evisasyna(:iltritoltices small and narrow deals.
It the Duties were •O at rated as to occasion a greater de-
mand'for Timber in this Country, would there be any increas-
ed demand in return for British Commodities in Norway,
Sweden, Russia, and Prussia ?
conceive that all Courrtries in the North take their Coral
modifies, such as Cloth, Sugar, Coffee, and Witte, Port, and
Madeira, (Claret they have from France), all from this Conn-
t4o.l,A:4,tise titer* is a predilectivn for English,ProdUce,'F'ur-

[PRICE SEVENPRNCE,

niture, and Goods, and they can get them hater and cheaper
Mete, than any whore else.
Then your conceive this arrangement of the T)uty operates
as a prohibition to the consumption of British Manufactures
in those Countries?

The pt ohibitiOn arises, as far as'respects Norway, from
has' g no Money to purchase them with; nothing is left
frolu .their Consignments. I believe that whatever Money
they have to lay, nut, they would lay ont here; I have beetrin
Norway myself, arida found every thing there Eli tish..
If their Consignments were larger, are you of opinion that
• in those Countries there would he a market in proportion to
the extent of those Consignments ?
The consignments must be more proOtable before any thing
- can he :eft. I can only say they would take every thing that
- they waisted from this country. I would not presume to say
that they would take to the amount of all the consignments.
they. might send at pretest? they yield nothing; I should.
think there would:not be a quarter of the duty paid this year'
as was paid the last ; the trade is come to.a stop, nothing can
he sent hut. for which money is paid ; there is now a ship
about taking goods to Norway, to the amoont• of about
20,0001. wake this- observation-to: strew where the in.noy,
conies from. I have orders to ship between three and four.
thousand pounds worth of good:, but the money has -been
sent from Hanoi-tut:oi for that purpose.
In the present state of the Trade, are the Committee to sup=
pose that the present consignments of the Timber, indebted.
as they are, go liquidatiOn of tire debt ?
There is nothing left ; in conseqnence of a Report having
been, spread that the duties sire likely to be taken off, all pos-
sibility of sale is,stopped the price that could be got for a
cargo of deals now, would scarcely pay the duties; people are
terrified out of their Wits f the fall is nearly 30 per cent.
Are you aware that the distress in Sw”den is 'eery great,
front Tit being al;le.tp export their Tiniber?
Not so much as Norway; theXolumittee are well aware,
thatbesidgs. Timber Sweden exports other articles, such as
iron and steel. -

Are you aware that a Ship has, been sold, as well as the
Cargo, iu.order to satisfy the Claims upon her ?
I know a recent instance.of a Ship lyhich c05t2,2001. the
property of a house at Leit,h, which they are obliged to sell,
and for which they will not get more than 3001.
The Witness delivers in a Statement, which is read, and is
HS 10110WS

Years.

Number of Deals.

Rate
y. of
Amount of Duty.
Dut

C. Qrs. vs: L. s. d.
L. .T. d.
1785 5,662 1 21 1 13 4 9,437 7 6
1786 11,016 e 26 -. . 18,411 4 0
,1787 11,831 -- 18 -- 19,723 11 9
1788
•
•
1789
1790 48,000 -- -- -....... 80,000 0 0.
1791
1792 . . 9,673 3 I 7 - 1 16,123 0 -5.
179:3, 4,058 2 13 4 9 0 18,194 • 6 4
1794 4,882 , 1 2 ---- . 21:,726 - 2 3
1795 5,708. -1 'l7 --- 2.5,402 7 1
1796 .... 4,G70 3 ' ,'29 - 20,785 17 7
1797 2,429 3. 5. 9 1 4 22,030 1 .3
1798 2,323 2 . 20 : ---7- , 21,068 610
1799 2.840 2 20 -" - 25,755' 6 5
1800 3,326 . 2 26 --- _ - 30,162 .3 • 6 .
1801 4,977 - 3 , 20 ---1, 86,973 2 1
1802 3,766 '-- 13 ---- , 341146 0 6
1803'' 4,407 ' 2 3 --.-- . 39,961 10 .0.
180:1. 4,337 - 1 23 ---- •:-39,326 2 :2
1805 5,041 1 20 --- - 452708: 6'-..6
18116 4,36'0 3 ' 8 - 39,538-2 0
1807 • 3,134' . 1 ' 2 --!-- 28,59843 6
1808 - )po' 3 29_, -- , 1,731. 13,, 8
1809 1,373 2 12 -- 19,453 17 6.
1810 3,833 - 20 . 347.753 16 0
'
1811 7,094 •-r 16_ 18 2 8 -64;320 111
1812. 1,542, ..3 12. -- 27,915-.16 $
1813 656:"
_2 - 21 10 8 • 14,136 9 6
1814 ' 2,285 -. 14 -- -- • 49,204 10 .0
18.15 - 4,866 ~1 17 -- 104,788 0 6 .
1816 1,050 I. "1 L.: -- - . 22,744 18 6
1817 1,416 -3 2 -- 30,507 10 0
18:8 1,801 - 2 -- 38,781 8= 0
1819 1,560 . 2 12 -- - 40;064 17 0
. .
-- ----- •
The Witness states, that he is net certain of the-exactness
If the Pernals when,the . increase of duty took place, from
1. 138. 4d. per celll. to 91 li. 44. but hi thinks it is very

The ,Witness sta
of the Periods wht
11. 135.-4 d. per cc
near. • •

The .W
Pritered, That t
text, Twelve

fitness is .directed. to.wjt
his Committee be adjoi

tdiaw. ..
rued to Saturday

THE ARMY.
•

As Tstm Sus has long beqn partltenlarly pa
tronized in the Military shall at all
times' be ready to insert w-h,atev,er, relates to the
honiinr and interest of the Army.

A BILL to REGULATE the I'AYMENT of ARMY PRIZE

MONEY;,

Whereas' an Act pastetrin the 58th year of the reign of hie
late Majesty King fleOrge the Third, intituleth " An Act for
regulating the Payment of 11(.!giinental Deists and the Div•
tribution of the effects of Officers and- Sold.wrs (lying in ser-
vice, and the receipt of Suins.due to Soldiers«," And whereas
it is txpedient to allow of p;iynient to,,Ageots;in certitincases*
of sums actuallyadvanied by them to Officirs or Soldiers., or
their 'representatives, before the passing of the said recited
Act ;

Beit therefore Enacted, hr,the King's Most Excellent
.Nlajesty, by and with the 'Advke and Consent of the Lords
Spiritual, and,Tempornl, And.Commofis. in this present
Yar-
liamcnt assembled, and by the Authority of the same, That
from and after the it shall be.
lawful for any' Agent nr_Agents appointed -for the distribution
of Artny Prize or Bounty. MOney, Grant .or other. Allowances
of .Money' in the nature thereof, or for the Treasurer of
Chelsea Hospital, to pay the sliare, or any part of the share,
of 'any Non-commissioned Officer Air Soldier to any person or
persops chtly•authorized. by the party emit left thereto to ye-
Cc ire the same; provided it strati herceratied *by The Secretary
at War, to such‘disteibuting'Akent atoresaid, or to the Trea-
surel- of chelsea Hospital,.that•stteh person has giren 'satis-
factory. proof-that he did actually advancethe sum demanded,
and that'such.advance was made befOre tlre passing of the said
recited Act, fin any part of the Uniteri:Kingdom, or in Guern-
sey,
,Jersey, or Isleof Man. nr.within, . months
after the passing tef, the said AO, if'lo any other,coiintry or
place, any thing in the said recited Act to the contrary not-
withstanding, • .

And be it, furt,her enacted, That it •hall be lawful for the
tomMissioncrs of the Royal hospital at Chelsea, to au—
tboriae their Deputy Treasurer to pay. to any
person or persons,. who shall prove hint, her, or themselves.,
to the satisfaction of such .conunissiouers, or of the said Trea.
surer or Deputy Treasurer, .to be the next of kin or WO re-
uresentative, or otherwise_legjaly'entitled to.itny share of
PriZze. Mibuy,dits, to.„any deceased Commissioned Or Warrant
Officer of his Majesty's Land Forces, any such share not cx-
ceeding • ; although such person shall
not have 'regularly taken out letters of administration, or
have procured the probate of any will of such deceased
()Alcor.

The re'view of the tio-ht Horse V lunteers, by
their good
his Itoyal Highness the ‘(:;omm.tNo ER- l N'..CH i Lyon
Saturday, the 29th in:-.tant, -is to be at Wormwood
receiving yery .hip,-11
Scrubs, at elevenVelock.
e on
The Huntingdon. Militia,
d conduct 1 .1. '
having collyn,eprleted
their -twenty-eight days of training,
eTnuceLdzisd.lnolris
stehem li e em,
bodied. •

PARLIAMET:,;T,

HOUSE OF LORDS, JQLY

The eiglith Re.port of the Commissiorters for
;tuditing Public Accounts in ,Ireland, was pre-
'sented by Mr. Johnson ; ordered. to lie upon the
table,; also an Account of the National Debt,
-by Mr. Walpole from the Treasury, which was.
Vorciered to he printed.
'file Assessed' Taxes ConipOsition Bill,. the
East India Voluriteer4 Bill, the Exchequer' Bill,
Public Works: (Ireland) Bill, the Deceased Ma-
rine Relatives Bill, and others, were brought
-upfrornthe House of Commons by Mr. Brogden,
Sir Janes Graham, and other Members, and read
fit st time. •

Lord KENYON prestmted two Petitions, one
from the Guild of Merchants of Dublin; and the
'other from 'certain Electors, against the Clause in
the. MAI Court of Chancery -Bill, excluding
Masters in Chancery.Of the Court its Ireland
.I'i:oat-Sitting In Parliament. Ills Lordship expres-
led-his disapprobation of the clause in question,
tt.nd his intention Sf Toting fir its being expung-
ed, if any other Noble Lord shOuld make a mo-
tion to that effect.

Lord H OLLAND wished due notice to be given
of the discussion on this clause, which he was dis-
posed to support.
Some-fiirther conversation took place between.
'the above Noble Lords, the Earl of Limerick,
thtil the Earl of Rosslyn, which was put an end
to'by the Lord Chancellor observing, that no no-
tice had yet been given. of :moving the second
reading of the Bill, and consequently the clause
in question could not yet come under the cogniz-
ance .of the House.

Respecting the East India Volunteers 13ill,
the Earl GROSENOIL gave notice of his intention
to make some observations on Friday.
Tne Dunleary Harbour Bill; and others, were
read a third•tirne and passed.
Tie Smuggling Prevention Bill, and others,
passed through, Committees, and .were reported
without amendment.

Pellew's-DivOree Bill passed through a Corn-
.mittee, with an Amendment. --Report to-morrow.
Adjourned till ta-morr-ow -(this day.)

iiOUSE OF COMMONS.

NEW APPARATUS- FOR PRINTING.

Sir_jOS'F.liii Y 011.14 rose to present a Petition
From a person narn-eelilenry Constantine Jennings:,
-who stated that he had, invented a new appara
tus for,printittg, and offered .to t the 1 arlia-
4nentary Papers, &c. for the public-Gn terms, by.
Avhi(.7ll, in the rnirse 'of three years, a saving of
'100;600/..would be effected. lle had formerly;
-known this Gentleman,, but he knew nothing of
'the plan through which this saving was to be
'effected. The Petitioner he knew to be a' per-
lon of great ingeriuity---he had formerly con-
traceed 'to make what was calle'd. a Naval Bed,
Which Was, to be of:gfeat use in cases of ship.
tivreck,- by-the means of being filled with cork
shavings instead of flotk. Gentlemen who had
'been at sea knew it was quite a different thing to
go to bed afloat from that' of -sleeping quietly
-ashore.---(41 laugh.)--;When the sailor went to
`bed, he was probably, in :consequence of the,
'naval' bed, in the event of shipwreck, to ride safe-
ly oil. the surface of the ocean as snug as if he
was on a fishes back.---(A laugh.).--He recollect-
ed another discovery of this Petitioner's respect-
in "the variation of the cOmpass, which consisted
-of potting the compass into an iron bowl, and
41hereby neutralizing the power or the magnet.
Of the present proposal . the House .-must judge
fori.tSelf.

The Petition wag' laid on the table, and order-
ed to be printed.

ABERDEEN EttcrroN.

Mr. liursTEß BLAIR presented the Report of
the- Committee on the Aberdeen Election, which
declared that Joseph llume, Esq. (the sitting
Member), was duly elected, and that the Petition
was not frivolous and vexations.