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London, England, 1830-12-07 00:00:00

COUNT DR GUERNON-RANVILLE

What is your surname,Christian name, your age and quality ? Martial
Conse.Annibel Perpetue Magloire, Count Gatemen de Renville, 431
years of age, ex-Minister, Deputy of Maine et Loire.—Can you tell
who is the author of the reports to the King ? No. I cannot this ig
the fact which does not concern myself in particular, and I cannot re.
veal the secrets of the King's council. Did you participate in the ord:.
names for the suppression of the freedom of the press, and the establish-
ment of a new electoral system ? I never made any difference between
public and private morility. The King could not overthrow the con.
Misdate] charter without viol atimg his oaths, and this consideration
alone induced me to oppose the ordinance concerning the new system of
election. As for the ordinance en the press, though it was only intended
toonspend the execution of • law, a usenenre which, in mos of ur-
gency, and when the safety of the state requires ft, seems to me not
to exceed the limits of the royal prerogative, I also opposed it.
because I did not think that the case of urgency did really exist ;
and I, consequently, proposed to the council to let the Chamber'
assemble on the 3d day of August, and then to lay before them
those ameliorations which our legislation on the press required.—
At what period were the report and the ordinances first planned ?
I believe, though I cannot affirm positively, that the principles on
which the ordinances are grounded was proposed, for the first time,
in a cabinet council held between the 10th and the 15th of July.
In regard to the report, the whole of it was only read to the Council
on the 25th of July, the same day that we signed the ordinances.—Cam
you tell us who first made that proposition between the 10th and 15th
of July ? I cannot answer this question.—.As you intended to dissolve
the Elective Chamber, and suspend the Charter, why did you lame the
letters of convocation ? I believe that the distribution of the writs took
plan in consequence of an error of the bureau:.—Why was the Duke of
invested with the command of the first military division on the
27th of July ? I believe it was because the troubles began on that day.
Do you know what were his instructions ? No, but they were of a very
moderate nature, for in the different orders I heard him give, be always
recommended not to make use of force, unless it became necessary he
self-defence.—Do you know who gave the order to fire on the people on
the 27th of July ? No.—Did you advise the measure which placed
Paris in a state of siege ? I did not attend any deliberation relative
to that subject.—Are you not acquainted with any extraordinary Im-
poses given to the troops to induce them to fire on the people ? No;
Ido not know of any determination of that kind. Had not the Coun-
cil resolved upon re-establishing the Prevotal Courts? No.—llad not
the Council also decided upon the arrest of a great number of Deputies
and other persons ? No; never any such proposition was made in the
Council, sad I do not think that any one ever thought of it.

XL. DE CHAINITILAUSE•
What is your surname, yont Christian name, your age, and quality ?
Jean Claude Balthusr Victor tie Chantelause, 43 years of age, ex-
illinkter and Deputy.—Can you tell who is the author of the report to
the King ? 1 ant well aware of the importance of this question : but I
do not hesitate to declare with sincerity that I am the sole author of
that report. I shall add that I did it in consequence of the orders of
the King, and at the request of the Council, and that it followed, but
did not precede, the measures which gave rise to the Ordinances of the
25th July.--Can you let us know at what period the plan of the report
and of the Ordinances of the 2,3 th Julywas first formed ? I shall divide
the question. The report was a mere matter of form, destined for the
public. and quite distinct from the measures in question. In regard
to the measures themselves,they were only adopted, a. far as 1 can pre.
elsely remember, after the 10th of July, or towards the middle of that
month ; they were subservient to the definitive result of the elections._
Who Is the first author of the above plan? The Council.—Do too
know who gave the order to fire on the people, 27th of July? No. Do you
know who ordered the troops of Luneville and St. Outer to march to
Paris ? The Council did not deliberate on that subjeet.—Were not
extraordinary largesse' distributed to the soldier to induce them to fire
on the people ? I was told that a largess, amounting to a half of their
pay. had been given to them, but I became acquainted with this fact
only after the measure had been put in execution. The Council was
not consulted, and I do not know who urged the measure.—Do you
know if the establishment of the Cans Pr4votales had not been re-
solved
upon by the Council ? No ; and I maintain that no measure
of that kind was adopted.—llad not the Council decided that a certain
number of Deputies and some other persons, should be arrested ? No
deliberation took place in the Council on that subject.

(SECOND INTESSOOATONT, SEPT. 9, 1830.)
(Tbe principal queries alone are given of this second Interrogatory.)
c:IIINCE DE POLIONAO
Who advised the K gto form the Ministry of the Bth of August ?
I have no reply to make to that question : I was called by the King to
fulfil the functions of Minister.—Can you tell us who advised and wrote
the speech pronounced by the King at the opening of the preceding
session I The determination was taken in the Council, and as the
greatest secrecy ought to be observed relative to all that took place in
the King's Council, It is impossible for me to answer that question.—
Who suggested and dictated the answer of the King to the Address of
the Chamber ? I can but make the same reply to all questions of this
nature.—You said in your letter to the Commission, that when on the
28th of July several deputies went to the head.quartera of the staff,
you agreed with Marshal Ragusa to write to the King. Did you do it,
and what was the King's answer ? I did write to the King, and the
Duke de Ragusa wrote also ' • but he did not communicate the Prince's
answer to me. Whenever I shall be interrogated on what the King may,
have said or written to me, a feeling of respect and honour will oblige me
I to observe the most profound silence.—During the days of the 26th, 2701
and 28th, was the King informed of what took place in Paris ? The
Marshal told me that he gave a regular account to the Prince.
As for myself, I ant not acquainted with any of the military movements
which took place on both sides in the streets of Paris. Is it true that
you ordered the neighbourhood of Neuilly to be watched closely ? This
fact is quite false. You said in your letter to the Commission that on
the morning of the 20th you went to St. Cloud, and engaged the King
to annul the Ordinances, and to send M. de Morteniart to Paris, to in.
form the city of this measure. What was the result of your journey to
St. Cloud ? The King accepted our resignations, and withdrew the
Ordinances. I introduced the Duke of Mortemart to his Majesty; I
left hint in the Cabinet, and from that moment I was a perfect stranger
to all that took place.—ln consequence of Paris being declared in a Late
of siege, it appears from the 28th of July preparations had been mak-
ing in the Department of the Under Secretary of State for War, in
order to organize a Council of War or Military Commission; did you
give any orders towards its being organised ? None. I was a perfect
strange' to all that was done, or that could be done in that respect, as
well as to all that during the three days at Paris.-31. Lisnire,
an inventor of comtseteitile projectiles, was, it is believed, desired by se-
veral Ministers to furnish these projectiles, that use might he made of
them againq Park on the days of the 27th and 28th ofJuly. Had you
any knowledge of this ? This fact is unfounded. i never knew any
me of that name. I have just read his petition to the Chamber ;it
contains nothing but infamous calumnies. Hat! the King other Coon.
eillors besides his Ministers? I know of no one.