The Sun.
London, England, 1816-02-06 00:00:00

, the geot.rul service:. the pietletior iietory
to he recorded, he •Imoldtl wish °to select that battle
of.all others, hadlreen the most decisive
and :transeendeot.--the battle of liailalgar. Ile
bad T•alreadv stated tir.it
~the imvy appeared less
brilliant in the latter than in the, former stages of
the war : this was duly beeause their enemy Imo
ditinpreareci by their own conquest I. But it would
lit >a great preimo:iee it we suffered the navy to
'OM ti.eir merit realed the highest
splendomr of. their brilliancy; eve 'felt too deeply
the ititmense assistance it had readered to the
in enabling it to perform achievements that
astonished the world. It Was not Cost the navy had
pi oteeted ma commerce, ands» enabled our rerenne
to meet the exigencies of the hour--it was not that
It had perforated the most haearikmus arid difficult
ot.all tasks, that of biockaditig etienly's ports
through all the storms of wittier but the rtahy hail
41131,1vd. 10, •liad been the . means of enabling
our limy,- to make those efforts- which constitut-
. col the principal
.feat lire of our national
Time and space seemed to be hardly au oh-
oat le to our efforts, which sometimes at time
most distant points were almost eo-ineideut, and
earried on %Volt 'a rapidity that admitted, of no
Lordship had lately seen a regi-
ment that had fought at Toulouse ill ISIA, that
told shared the conflict in America, and hail
• retoroed in time to he present at the gates of niti,o
(Ir.r, tienr!)—Whia other country could do►
this? If we had every where been on the hem—
if we had participated every conflict--it we
had trausportrd, our armies with n tepidity un-
tiOw n itt former times, and, astouishinu to
.Ft-
rope, this we Owed to our these
circumstances, ilmentgli he tres!ed we had, in the
grist itmle'of nor sentiments, dischargeththe feel-
ing in the manner most gratifying to the object of
it—though WC had recto sled by montonvnts those
who fell conspicuously, awl had repeatedly of
efts votes of our mbniration, yet, if another method
• remaimmed, he hoped we shouts! inmmortalize Trafal-
4or ar3 ire bud immortalized Waterloo ; Trafalgar,
which, Omagh dissimilar to the_ battle of Wa-
tolloo in some reSpeetS, so touch resembled it in
others ; and that we should select that made of
'accomplishing this end, which. might' preclude the
most distant suspicion of pi efereoce between the
two services. The Noble Lord 'then concluded
by moving, "'That this House, being desirous of
"teqifying its gratitude for (hell:1.00°r performed
by the navy, do request his Royal highness the
Prince Begeut, that a montunepit be erected in
luentory oft he Victory of Trafalgar, and of Lord
.Nelson in particular; a nil of the SerViees rendered
'hy the navy in general throughout the. war."
'Mr. W. ptrxbas rose'vvith touthrelattance to
object to what bad fallen from hisljoble
Ile %vita most anxious to support every proposi-
tion that 'emit to commemorate the' tritoriphs of
,the navy, but he did hot see how they could.erect
p, ltnblic Monument, for which the name 'of LOrd
should appear, Wilily thosp.of the Officers
,•were omitted who had °distinguished themselves in
'the.
early• part of the war. ‘Vhat woOld pinta:l.4y
say when they read the inscription on this
to the memory of .Loud Nelson (well merited ,tit
leis pall), and found .no menthol matte of the
14vcat services which Admiral Duncan, Admiral
t. Vitmeent, and other Admirals had performed
by sea ? Ile did not see that there would be any
difficulty in making such an arrangement as would
admit of °timer names being lobo ibed on the P.l:
tar, as Well as t bat of Lord-Nelson. ThotOr the
it,ad already come to a vote ropeCiing the
!Monument to he erected to commemorate the
ftatle eaf tt'aterloo, Ile was still of opittiOn that
they might yet with propriety introduce the, Moue
of all those Sea Officers who had most distinguished
themselves in the late war, On sae 11°0'1100o which'
we have now proposed to erect. The vote already
tonne to, di► '. tint appear to him to suggest any
. l'exow why this should nbt be done.'
Sir 311. lttoLav agreed 'with the Nimble Lord as
to the extent of the services that haul been per-
folioed, but thought it would be more gratifying
to give a general record of those.ler vices, tlian to
single ont any particular object of approtpmtiott.--.
It. would be better' -if the fund vat:tit to'the
lerloo monurnent could be augmented, -and a tes-
t isuony :to mill the Sera:lees of the .army and miry.
included in one gramd crectiou.,2:7A:distinct vote
to each of the services multi! riot ,be so agreeable
- one inclusive measure: of applause. Ile lieliev
ed the Waterloo monntoeut, was. in good hands,
end he Should reconooend that‘ ttisiawo concarna
slmomild be united ; the expense would be lcss,,•anil
the money laid out more suitably and magnifi-
, tently.
Loud CAsTia.RwA6ll, by way of explanation, re-
plied, that it would not be coosisteut to subtract
one iOta front the weed of applause that bad been
testoWeti on time battle of Waterloo-: he could not
rrpprove of so cuffing-down that brilliant trans,
notion, and he thought it better 'that -it distinct
grant should be made to the two"- services. Ad-
- oneitting the splandouted the. Victoria* obtained by.
at Duncan, a howe, or. a St. Vincent, it would be
tO leave- the many wi4thout a corresponding
fot &domain:to, Vittoria, or St. Se,bas
AmOtiOn ball been matte to place both ser-
vices on at parallel line, and to record their merits'
by a corresponding mark of applause. It was an
impossibility, it Wool(' be secrilege, to touch the
%Vittorio() vote. The justice of time country-was
Implicated ; end if what proposethvere followed,:
time two services won't! not stand in a proper re-
lotion toeach.other, tudesa byerectingatiecoud
ft onemment. th' the army ; and be, was sure the
,hoti)e'would leak was the very ;principle Of the
yote to place In its proper.staddar+Abe: relative
Merit Of the two Services. ,:°
Mr. llottxett deprecated any 'differeOce in time
Iloase upon a Vote of this tumor, and the more
so as he thought the proceeding proposed by, the
01d.e.: Lord the'best that. could be devised, as
ireir with a view,' 10 political conseqemence as to
trail-.411r eharacter. There ment be 'snipe difficulty
la the seleetion for e (RAI re• vote; bait there were
no.seleetion wilere was the lloosetem.stop ? For
the actions of our ion.ott seAnieri; which called
for 'the gratitude mold admireomM of the enitiltry,
t..Lri . not- to'be ounibered. There might, and
tuobahly was as Routh skill and valour dispias:d
tuft di by oar guo..boats • itm cutting oat - enemy's
itlmips, is -belonged' to these victories which were
Afoht But surely no Gentleman would
demand that each 01 these acts should be dis.

I lel hr 2 icpt-frate s
themselves in these gallant scenes wonld
quire it-,and Trafalgar ens the brit c 0,1,1 that
could be Aside for the satisfaction '6f nll7 For the
%ietory of Trafalgar Was the propertyV4 the whole
eavy--ciiresenting, as that brilliant victory dill,
the fruit and sample Of its' trent centhint tkijl and
valour. If, however, the suggestions- of the Right
Hoe. fientleman (Mr. Reedits) slionld Iron con-
sideration reqiiire to be acted tipon, some fineable
proceeding might be hereafter taken; but he
trusted that the present motion would be fount
to meet the unanimous concurrence of the.house;
Mr. H. Duenas expressed a disposition to 4110*
rittieste-in the motion.
111r.,TtliteNrY observed, that the Noble Lord
had been complitneuted upon getting over a dif-
ficulty, which was, that the army had been at-
tended to, shit the navy bad not. One mono.
tent might do for both, as he did not entertain
.such a religions dread oftnUeltintr the vote for Wa-
terloo, as the Noble Lord did. A Committee
might be appointed to consider of some splendid
• election for the purpose. NVe till know, that the
sensation created among the old officers, by, the
neglect which they experienced, obliged Ministers
some time. ii go to !mike Knights and Baronets of
them. Ile thought it moustrous to select one
• battle at the end of a war to commentorete the
,toliforin bravery which had been displayed through-
ont the, whole course of it. Ile thought it might
be possible to' unite convenience and tenement,
and, sugeetted thee es churches were not will.
cieetly numerous ,to aecomModate the public, a
teatplc
.14 religion" and a memorial of gratitude
for the setvieus of our gallant heroc.t., might be
erected.
Mr. 13, BATHURST approved of the proceeding
proposed by his Noble Friend, and stibmitted to
the Bight 11otiouritble fjent leman who spoke last,
as well as to the House; that the exPeoce
building such a don't:h. as he suggested,. would
be a very serious eonsidtiatitie.
Mr. 'net:Nur, iu explaining what he formerly
said, stated that lie' thought, after the Ilohte had
merked its sense of the two. services 'Apart', elyois
ithad'fortnerly dime, by every means in its pOwer,
it sboulnconsolidate the gratitude and admiretion
of the country in a joint monument to both.'
Lord CasTeeneeeke hoped that the vote would
be unanimous. •
Mr.liatqs;EsOrpressed his readiness teeeive wee,
to the tense of the I ;seise, ultimate!! 'he did not
entirely eppiove of the plan proposed-. The vote of
the 11,..m5e upon the'battle of Watcttoo was the na-
tural result of the great enthesiasna that thee pre.
vaned ; bet that vote limited no precedent for
a propOsition referring to it victory obtained ten
years ago. , That the Navy had not, since Tra-
falgar, achieved any hoportant victory, was easily
accounted for. Of that meritorioul brand, of.
our service, it might well be said in theletllgnage
of .tare great Ronnie —UN triumpkuni nod
Where was it to n1111)1101, Wll6l tlitre
Was enemy to encounter ? hat tit( case
or Trefalgar was not, be thought, parallel to the
'victory ut Waterloo, and therefore, while he
would lekee the vote of the' Hoes'e respecting the
latter, vindisturbed, belltould Father prefer a pro.
position, in tiiii• instance, to eomtnetuoratc the.
general: services of the navy. With
.regerd to the
sort of 1110110111VIlt %Odell ought to be erected,. it
must occur to every one, that .the erection of a
church Must be more expensive than that of an
arch or a column. But whatever monument or
mouttments were determined upon, he trusted they
would present splendid models of the improved
state of the Arts ; and that, erected upon dee.ele-
Vatirnii, they would serve materially to ornament
this great Metropolis. What the expeitee.of tile
proposed monuments was likely to be, he was
unable Co calculate. He • had the, lomat coal-
thence iu the taste and jatigment .of the
,Gentle 4
men to whom the. execution' of the vote with , re-
speet to Waterloo was confided 7. end he
.Iran ito
doubt that Gentlemen equally competent woeld
be selected on the present occasion. ie trusted
that the best artists would be consulted; and that
the models'of each would be decided upon whit-
en', tiny tindutepartialiey. Were he to hazard an
humble opinion, he should advise that the ancient
modals be carefully consulted, and that the plan
of columns or obelisks'be preferred.
Lord lILNNING expressed his satisfaction to see
alt the Gentlemen wits had spoken on the subject
aoxiotis-to concur in the yetretal measure,. and
only difiring in what was not very essential, . Hie
Noble Friend, he thought, had, got_ overithe dif-
ficulty of selectinga proper series of engagements,
by fixing upon, the battle of Trafalger, which its
so mow of its features W 25 analogous to that. of
Waterifigi. *He had serious objections to the sug-
gestion of a Right lion. Genleman beside liint ('Mr.
Dunks). If his opinion were adopted, the army
Wotild have a right to .complain', that whereas the
services of the envy had been commemorated by
it general monument, theirs were only edebrated
in, one. erected in ,honont of the ;Atria of Waketleso.
tfii Ijon. Friend (Mr. Bankes) had ehlecteil to the
proposition of the Noble Lord, on account of the

dissimilarity between the battles of Waterloo and
Trafalgar. In leis opinion, they were Completely
analogous in their most importunt,featitres, The
only objection that Could be stated, w.th any
plausibility, to the selectiOn of the victOryof Tta-
talgar, as the representative of our naval exploits,
worild be; that 6tirotlyix naVakictories'Were not
reWarded, and ,required tin enuuiera.

tion upon the ptwosed utonun►ent. He would
not allow that the country had been thos ungrate-
ful. :Monuments had been erected to those who
those engageinents, and their relatives bad
been, provided fur, while honours were cc►t►t'erretl
on those who survived, ►►nd the thanks of this,
House, the highest honour that they could te-
ceire, were conveyed to them,

Mr. FORRICS,wits sure. that the speed > of .the
Noble Lord (Castlereagh) molt have given great
satisfaction to.the Mouse. as he placed_ the
armyand navy on a level. tit: was afraid, how-
ever, that there wat 1 wide difference- in reality
bet kveen the regulations and treatment"or the two,
SCI vices. Much bail been done ity Lord.Aldville
for the latter; but mile!' still reminted to be,lone,
Instances &anti be prodneed of 4 m
entenas of '23
years standing in the navy—a Circumstance which
did not occur in-the army. 01ere the thlk;orable
Gentlctuan %Vas p .roccethug with suuht strictures

. .
` On the naittVE end regnlatinnS of Ole nival tei-
viCe'f, when, be wits'inicrrupted by)
' Sircivoccr. WattnENnen, who rose to order.
He was very 'unwilling ti) interrupt °the ,flon.
Gentleman bdi the matter he was mging reiuil':
ed earl was :capal•ile of a satisfactory answer,
Which, howevi4, could not lie rei,mlariy marl in
this debate. The Hon. Gentleman's observations
livieolulahlittlititittisdreetah
theta
u nitrei
ntitllieiltl .retgoo,late
runrleally bmere.catitiee
hoped the Hun. Oentleonan would defer his statei-'''
ments to a more conven%•et opportoniiy, when;‘
lia assured him, he, or sue other Gentleman of
• thb same *department, would be glad to meet him
on therptestion of these supposed grievances.
The )speaKan said, that the Hun. Gentleman,
he hoped, would desist froth such topics at pre-
sent.' There was now no question before the
House, that called for an inquiry into the regula-
tions of the navy. An opportunity would after=
wards occur, when be could more' appropriately
state his observations.
Mr. LONG trusted that the proposal of the Neu.
hie Lord would be acceded to. His Hon. Friend
'(Mr. Nukes) had asked what sum was likely. to be
granted by Parliament for the accomplishment of
the /Alt* which the House was now discussing
He felt •as anxious to be Made acquainted with
this as any one, Nothing could be determined
upon till this was known. When they consulted
the artists alma plans for the proposed mom'.
ment, the fitlt coestion was, what expense the
nation wo'nhl furnish ? When there arose a ques-
tion whether this. monument should be a column;
an obelisk, or any other edifice, the same inquiry
perpetually met them.. He Was anxious to receive
. assistance from all quarters, and would be glad to
have the opinion of •his Hon. Friend (Mr. liankes)
Lord CASTI.KREAntt said, that the Miinument
should sin justice to the tuitional magnificence,
and the magnitude of the victory it was intended
to
,commemorate. If the proposition which he
had this night submitted to the House met with
its concurrence,• he saw no reason why, after-
wards, there should not be a contbinued Morin.:
ment propowd to commemorate the,merits of the
two services together, Elie!, action would time
be rewarded as it was performed, and afterwartli`
tdl.should.be placed .brfore the view of the nation
in one grand. design-,

Sir Itormitir IhnoN thought the House
Mould", have ithine controul over, the•sutn• which
might be neressitry for the erection of the mono-

meat, and that the amount shook be diiiinctly
Stated, particularlyias some persons had estimated
in
the expence of the mouneut which was 'voted for'
the victory of 11raterloo, at two millions.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he did not mean that
the 'present motion should preclude the House;
from a third vote, if they should afterwards wish
to erect a joint monument fur both services. As
'to the amormt of •the .money, that must he left to
thi, discretion of the Crown, but there
.would be
tio'disposition to conceal t Impublic "expence Imut
Parliament. The Noble /Lord thought that, it
should be included in the account of Public Set--
rives.

, .
TIERXIM as lit now nn:lerstand That
two' uttintilmiuts, were to be erected, atul there
ikvould he; no obiectiou to third, he could .not
!keit) thinking that one twig)
,t combine the
would he mu ell better, in his opiilinn,
to address the crown tor a• generai mono!arot,io
commetborat'e our wival and military UCllieVe.
lifelltl during the war,
Mr. WM. Smrnt was rasher dissatisfied with the
last explanation of the Noble Lord:. He thought,
(bat while the House looked to the magnificence of
tbe.Rlonument, it should he effcctied With as mach
enonomy us pos,iblc mid that, would be bvst ac-
cninplished by blending the whole in One 11Iolut •
mut. If three Monuments were to be erected,
they intist.cither abandon the idea of nragnificenee,
or sacrifice a great portion of the public money,
'which might be saved.
The motion was than put, and carried, nem, tow,4.
Mr. BANxs was desirous of being understood,
that he should be utterly against nay third moniy.
ment. •

Lord CASTIAREAOII SAW, be had already stated
that he did nrt mean to *preclude the House frot,
considering that question, but he had not intimat-
ed that lie illtettflol tp propose it.
Mr. ItiLi.STiRN gave notice, that on thiS day
week he should Wove that the House do take into
its cOnsideration the distreised.state of the
,agrr
culture of the country.
• Mr. BLUM/HAM %visited to ask the Nl' (Ale Lord,
whether he intended to press thetlisemsion of the
Tteaties au the day which Iris Lordship had fixed.
Those Papers Were exceedingly. voluminous, and
the Hon, Member' feared that the 'Hottse'woldir
.not be prepared t 9 take them into consideration
on that day.

Lord' C:ASTLELICAG replied; .that Ministers
could not bring forward their intentions with re-
spect to the military estnhlishment, till the gene-
ral state of the CAtintryl* been taken il)CO coitr
sideration. He wished, 'therefore, to adhere to
the day (Thursday week), of which he had given
notice,

Mr. BROUGHAM apprehended, that if they cane
only half prepared tu-diletiss 'the Treaties, Ala
notice would be under the necessity of adjourn-
ing the consideration of that subject.
BaNNETT• begged to ask the Right lion.
Secretary for the timue Department, Whether any
steps had been taken by the Chief Justice of the
King's Bench, fur the reformation of the abuse,
which existed in the King's bench prison. The
Hon. Member was afraid that very little reform
•
tion had taken plice.
Mr. Ilitzv AorimuTottreplied, that the sub-
ject, Was 110%0 under tha consideration of that
Noble Lord.

A new writ was ordered for Stttlterlandsl►ire,
in
t.ok.t t mu of Jime3 El. who has ac-
cepted the Chiltern Holub:eds.—Adjourned.

The lute Earl of I3tICKINGHAMSIIIIIk Was in hig
saLli year. lie is succeeded, we believe,
brother 11a:vrcy, who is in holy orders, a l'reben-
dary,of Canterbury, and Itectur of Chipping War-
den in Northamptonshire.
JAMes TDPPING, ./.1,.5q..W11S yesterday morning
4kltt n into the office of Attorney-General of the--
0141411 y Palatiot of Luataster, before the Chap..
cellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

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CILAMM:Lt (WV'S" P131%.!:';,

„Yesterday Jit;niiii.!;, in the ileveLor-
-lilRl4 Of his prupeaSition Ott initAisC CtitiCtitiOP, Coo'
lined hints& to the follotving
1 Religion slotil be the a”'

'lll
2. 'Tic tolle,,es anitSchools shall be nut °tat
under the. itiip'ettion of local authorities; 1).4.
also kinkier. tlnit isf Archbishops and BishoPi,
skill reform the abitses they may find in the-n•
3. The Bishopi Shall have PoWer to augment the
plumber of seininariei eecoirdiug to. the neces'iti!:
'nf religion, and the, resources and p0p:46011'4
the dideeics. •
.•.. „
4. The Bishops shall ticintinate to the places of
the principal Colleges and 8chooli;. Tile Fri"
cipal shall nominate the Professors. iiev'ertbelell
the Bishops shall bare authority to displace Pcr',
sons incapable, or whose Principles be 6.0"
sidered dangerous.
5. The IThiversities shalt cvtitinne as they exist
at present, and shall be under the iiisP"'l°-
,i 01
the Mitt of the Interior, he shall be instrtirre'
as to the best means of forwarding the iute"-t.
of religion, and of making literary ink.nri fit!!triAir
6. The Central Commission of Public 111516'
tion, .whose zeal and talents Jtts Majiag•J IV

esteent and recompence remains siiperckscti•
S 1 1111.:T. COMM
,The Chamber heard the report of MAtung
Laborie on the proposition of M. de 131aug1'
ft Invottr*of the. Pet • This report toils P'
eiPa)ly to the snppressiori of pellsii,as enjoyed bY
sithe married ptiests, antrthose who Itnie ect".fficcil
the service of the altar ttifollow inotlier Pr" f".
SlOll. I t'prprottes also, to Settle proei:jon3llY thi
minimum of ecclesiastical pensions at 500 tr. 3'lj
the maxiintihr of GUI) Ir.
I The: repott will be printed, and the discas'ilj.
.open'on Monday. •

b'En. I—The Council of
yestcrd4y at three o'clock, at 'the Cu:ale of ilic
the Xing
News front Corsica state, that that islandc"11'
*hints to enjoy 'perfect tranquillity, and that the
organization of the *legion goes en with

activity, .
The first Session of the Court of Assizes °'
'Pulls, for the month of Febromy 1816, will cow
mence on 21ontlay the ath,,and ti.:4lllinitte op M(111
clay the V2tit. Nitltt.-Cri C4llllel alit' be trig"'
t hiefly relating to roblieries.
The Prevotal Court of the tlepartmebt of the
Seine met 'yesterday, and condemned to death .4
person of the name of Magloire, convicted of ad
attempt at robbery on the , road, from raris tt°
St. Denis. '
It it said that NI. Marie de St. tirsin, fortner.iols.
physician-to Burmapartc's armies, and who ''',. r
at Petetsblirgb„ fins been exiled to Siberia) .I.°,
having indiscreetly matte tile of improprr d';"
,:ciiarte. relative to Nlitle4ll Affairs.
They write from St. Quentin that somemorq:
-Trieractif the fiussian troops commanded by Cliun
Wroronzoff, had caused sOnse alarm lest it shr'i'll I
be the intention to occupythfs place, AS "11 .$1!
that Of Guise ; but this inquietude bits !Mir-
been dissipater'. , - • -
it is thought that a part of the Staff of the 6nr
lisp Army will remain yet some days at Paris.
. , It i% not true, as stated in one of the Jourtoo
that Messrs. Wilson, Bruce, and Hutchinson int,'
Jcen provisionally set at Liberty; Their arg'''',;",
to this effect has, on the coutriwy, been reins'il
tir an Ordonttattec of the Chamber of Co!Oi;=,
,',
litofirorrnableto Ike conclusions of the King'sl',...%,
cureur, qul joint la deniande pronisaire au fin"
l'
These Gentlemen, it is said, intend to append 1. Ott
this Ordonnance. They have, besides, clah° in
the intervention of the English Ambassador,
order that they may enjoy the same 06'11,1°4ci
0
which they conceive the French laws Wve
natives.

COURIER EXTRAORDINARY; THURSDAY 11/410"r-!al
The PUTS were
UTS in which the Journals ereiw'''
have hein-closed, and will not be
tautil afresh notice train the Prefect of l'""c'' tot
The last news from Warsaw say, that Car'l,4
I as in rived in that town, from which place
proceeds to Petershurgh. • fr
Tile letters troth—
Lyons announce, that percl.
tranquillity reigns in that city. The colonial r,5(,,
pie of Gevois, Condriex, and Revedegier have u";
disarmed. The principle disturbers of public ~,I,•••
der have been arrested. The terviee of the '-;
tional Goan!, and the activity of the troops at:N.
Hoe, promise more than ever to ensure the Fo--
repose.
itaie
Nets, Pea. 2.--General Vantlammer'esUe's- to.
days ago was still at Cassel, is preparing ,r 0 "
4merica. •
iris
,The Englishman who announced last year 1,,
intention to establish a a:cam-hoar on the la%
Lerton, appears now determined to put it in ex
it
cution. He is gone to Avignon, to ascertain 10,
ultra would be a polsibility of establishing (1°
between this city and Lyons.
The eloaths of the Russian Guards trill
'tiptoe of cloth purchased from England. c,„,#'
emustence is remarkatdca because the foray.
Ukase of Dee. 31, 1810, which forbids t.he e,
, „ anti
portation of woollen Stun, att tfluse
cofton from foreign count, let is uot yet l'ePejc`l,
Accounts from Vienna of the 20:h Jantidry say,
Arthdolto
that the approaching aorriagc of the .

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