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LISBON, MAY 23.

In imitation of the town of Coimbra, the towns of
Bevria, Porto, Amarante, Castello-Branco, and Ricar-
daes, have begged permission of their Magistrates to
illuminate their houses, during three days, in order to
express their joy at the favourable sentiments ex-
pressed by his Majesty the Emperor of the French
towards Portugal, which our Deputies to Bayonne
have announced to us. At Amarante, aTe Deum has
been sung, and the most ardent wishes sent to Hea-
ven for the preservation of Napoleon the Great. The
Portuguese Clergy, as well as the other public bo-
dies, have e..pressed the most lively enthusiasm.—
Among the prelates who have issued pastoral letters
w, .h breathe a love for religion and their country,
v• mentioned the Bishops of Porto, Algarven, and
Aveiro, with the Vicar-General, who administers the
Bishopric of Coimbra in the absence of the Bishop,
who is a member of the Portuguese Deputation.
His Excellency the Duke of Abrantes has given a
new proof of his reverence for public worship, in
commanding that the procession at the feast of Cor.
pus Christi, which is celebrated here with so much
pomp, should take place as usual. In consequence,
the Intendant General of the Police has issued the
necessary commands, that all the streets through which
the procession is to pass, should be adorned w►th the
greatest splendour.
On the invitation of his Excellency the Duke of
Abrantes, the Junta of the three estates has held an
assembly, in order, in common with the deputies of
the first public bodies of the kingdom, to frame an
Address of Thanks to his Majesty the Emperor and
King. The Address is already signed. This Junta
has been ccn,tituted on the model of that of 164 t,
which established King John IV.
NAPLES, JUNE 4.

The English, desirous to interrupt again the re
pose which vie this moment enjoy, have disemburked
some hundreds of banditti, at various points of Cala-
bria ; but the people, who have been so often the vic-
tims of English instigations, and are convinced of their
impotence, united in a mass to drive back these their
allies. Two hundred villains, disembarked near Reg-
gio, were dispersed in an instant. Surprised that they
did not, as formerly, find a place of refuge, some of
them surrendered at discretion, while others were
made prisoners or slain. The English had paid these
robbers ten days in advance, with assurances, that
when this landing was effected, they would be sup-
ported by a very considerable reinforcement of troops.
An English brig and three gun boats have endea-
voured to seize some ships on the coast of Melito.—
The national guard of Messina and the adjoining
places, after an engagement which lasted four hours,
obliged the enemy to retire. Yesterday another "af-
fair took place between our gun bgats, and the Eng-
lish and Sicilians, who wished to make an attack upon
the islands of Ischia and Procita, at the extremity of
the Gulph of Naples. The battle terminated altoge-
ther in our favour. We await the details.
VIENNA, MAY 2e.
General Stuart is arrived at Sicily with 10,000
English troops.
BERLIN, JUNE 4.

It is here generally understood, that the evacuation
of the Prussian provinces is not far distant. Accord-
ing to intelligence derived from various quarters, it
appears, that the French troops are preparing faptheir

PARLIAMENTARr PROCEEDINGS.
. . .

HOUSE OF Loßps, JUNE 23.
In the Roxburgh Appeal Cause, the Hon. Harms Easattrx
was further heard in reply on the ail of General Ker4e. •
The White Herring Fishery Bill 'passed through st Committee
and was reported. • •
The Rilots• Bill, the Cape of Good Hope Trade Bill, and the
Stilsdvision Return Bill, were read a thlrd•time and passed. '
The Sects Local *Militia Bill, the Rite Importation Bill, the
London- Warehouiirg Biil, the Paymaster-General's Accounts
Bill, and the Lottery-Bill, were read a second cline, and commit-
ted for tewnorrow. • '
The Stipendiary Curates' Bill, after a short cm:totem/ion be-
tween the Earl of LAUDCIDALI, Lords HAIWILFiIIpIRV, HAS-'
ao war, HOLLAND, &c and the VISHOF was orfpFe4
to be read a second time on Monday. - -
Mr. WI-LkRTON. and the deputation from the Commons
brought up the Southern Wiiale Fishery Bill, she Stamp Duty Bill,
the Stained Silk Duty Bill, the Six Million Exchequer-MA Dili, ,
the Private Stealing Act'Repeal Ill!, the Irish Gaol and Court
House Land Bill, the Maynooth College Bill, and several pri-
vate pills. which were read a first, and ordered to be -read a se-
cond time. • '
'the Royal Assent was given by commission to the followin
Isms, vi*.. the West India Commissioners Account's Bill, the Bar-
raek Commissioners of Account* Bill, the' Auditori Accounts
Bill, the tish Loan Bill, 'the Irish Drawback and Bounties Bill,
the Irish Spirit Regulation pill, the `lrish Malt Duty p-414- the
Haekrey Coacii and several other Bills of a local and private
nature, in all 33.—The Comtnissioners were Earl SPINCtI Lord
WA Lir tion# it, and the LORD CDANCLLLOR.
N. , • ' • •

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• HOUSE OF COMMONS.
STAMT DUTTIS. ,
On the first reading of thr Stamp Duties Bill,
Assent by Commission. On their return from the
Lord HOLLAND observed upon the great importance of the hear the Royal
The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod summoned the House to
stir; that the Royal Assenthad been
Bill, the heavy tax which it imposed upon the sale of property, House of Peerlse ,the Sneeze
the Irish Spirits Bill, the Irish Malt
and the number of regulations contained in it, and suggested, that given tßomth
rish Loan
C h R lation Bill, the Auttli-
ekhourh it was not the practice of the House to print Tax Bills, -uty --., the West India Cl;eninisaioners' Bill, the Barrack Conn-
yet that this Bill ought to be made an exception to that rule, in :Widener? Bill,. the Hackney oac egu
order that Noble Lords might have an opportunity of considering tors' Account Bill, andseser, al private Bills.
k; he therefore moved that the Bill be printed. MASsEY S DIVORCE BILL.
Lord HAWKESBURY saw no reason for departing in this in- The House having gone into a Committee on the Bill for dis-
stance from the established practice of the House, which was, not solving the marriage of the Rev. Mr. Masssey with his
present
to print Tax Bills.
wife, she having committed adultery with the MostNo
The Duke of NORFOLK urged the complicated nature of the marquis of Headfort ; evidence was called to prove the a
Mary
dbuleite the
.
Bill, and the number of new duties which it contained, as reasons Mrs. Mary Anne Morgan stated, that she saw
theNoblewir-
ier printing it. quis get out of bed from Mrs. Massey upon his seeing the t-
The Earl of LAUDERDALE also used similar reasons In suit- nest, be exclaimed " What the devil business have you here P'
port of the motion. The Solicitor for the Plaintiff proved that he received 10,9001.
The House then divided on the motion for printing the Bill, the damages from the Noble Marquise which he handed over to
Contents 16—Non-contents 28--Majority 12. the Plaintiff ; the costs, 2401. he retained for his own use. After
the whole of the evidence had been gone through, the House re-
BANK OF IRELAND.
sed. r
BARHAM postponed his motion for taking into cottsids-
and the Bill was ordered to be read a thirdtime to-morrow.
Lord LAUDERDALE rose to move that certain clauses In the M
Irish Bank Bill be referred to the Judges, for their opinion upon
don. the Report of the West Indie Come:duce, till to-morrow.the same. The principal clauses on which his Lordship wished Al 4
esage from the Lords announced that their Lordships had
the Judges' opinion was that which limited the power of the Bank
agreed to the Pilots' Bill, the Cape of Good Hope Trade Bill, the
to make issues to the amount of their capital, and no more, when
k was notorious that they had extended their issues to a much I iVlilitia Sub-division Bill, and the Expiring Laws Bill.
REPRIZALS BILL.
greater amount ; this was an incongruity upon which he desired
to be set right. Another clause provided. that "the the profits should
"That it be an Instruction to the
mOnr.the question for going into a Committee on this Bill,
C. M. POLE moved,
be quasi divided, and that tie residue shouldieo to the Governor !"
Tbe last he thought no more nor less than an Irish bull. Committee to Amend the Act of the 48th of the King, to pre-
Lord LIMERICK immediately called the Noble Lord te order • , vent Agents from Advancing the Proceeds of Prizes on account."
be could not tolerate such language, nor would be, while he hai I Mr. ROSE objected to it, observing that the evil had already
the honour of a seat in that House, suffer any reflections to be cast ' been corrected.
on that part of the United Kingdom, of which he was a native. The motion was negatived,
Lord LAUDERDALE, in explanation, declared he-meant no 1 The House then went through the Committee, and the Report
more reflections against Ireland, in saying this clause was a bull, ; was brought up.
than might be charged against himself for having a certain pro- I The Privately Stealing Bill, the Danish Prize Sale Bin, the
vincial accent peculiar to the natives of his own country. His 1 Woolwich Water-works Bill,!he Annuities Bill, the Irish Spines.
Lordship called upon the Noble Lord on the woolsack, as a law- I Regulation Bill, and the Brazil Postage Bill, were severally resti
yet, to explain, if he could, the legal tendency of those clauses la third time, anti ppassed.
which he found fault with. The Hop-bag Bill was committed, and atterwarde reverted.
The LORD CHANCELLOR could not see the least necessity 1 CUSTOMS COFFEE DUTY BILL.
foe referring this bill fur the opinion of the Judges. Being called 1 On the third reading of the Customs Coffee Duty rescinding
upon by the Noble Lord in the manner he was to give his judge ( Bei,
meat as a lawyer, he should only say, that when these clauses I Mr. HIBBERT opposed the Bill, as not being (rimed to give
came to be separately and distinctly considered, he should give his : that relief to the West India Merchants which the exigency of ,
unqualified opinion upon each. their case requires. He objected to the operation of the Billcom•
After a few words from Lord HOLLAND, and a short reply from mencing on the 10th of October, and moved that the Bill take ef•
Lord LAU pea DALE, the question was put, and the motion nep- feet from the lath August.
Lived without a division. Mr. HUSKISSON stated, that the object, in making the Bill
The Bill was then ordered to be committed to-morrow. operative from the 10th October, was to afford those coffee dealers
who have stock in hand an opportunity of disposing of the same,
DISTILLATION,
of the Grain Di-
Earl BATHURST moved the second reading
Mr. MARRYATI" declared It was highly necessary that the
stillation Prohibition Bill. His Lordship stated shortly, as a
Bin should commence its operation sooner, because the markets
ground for this Bill, the deficiency in the supply of barley and
were glutted with coffee, and not a barrel had been sold. Indeed
oats, in consequence of their being now no importatkin, and the
I the fleet was just coming in, and the opportunity which it would
desire to prevent that supply from becoming unequal to the de-
rave to smuggling was. to be dreaded. Besides this, the public
mend. There was also another bill in the other House, for per- had a right to be supplied at a more reasonable price.
misting the Distillation from Sugar. The ground of this was,
Mr. BARHAM supported the amendment on the same grounds
that the supply of sugar wag much greater than the demand,
as the former speakers.
and therefore, that to use a part of it in distillation, would be 1
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted that
a relief to the West India interest, whilst at the same time It
. no purchases were made, but denied that it was neckessary the fleet
would relieve the pressure arising from a deficiency of barley
I should experience an immediate sale. It was Well-. 4own that
and Oats. 1 coffee remained always a long time hand. • -
The Earl of SELKIRK thought the measure pregnant with the ;
Sir CHARLES PRICE thought the loss to the dealers would
most injurious consequences to the agricultural interests of the .
be eater than imagined, as they had laid in their stock for six
country. He admitted that what was used in the Distilleries, or gr
Months. He was therefore inclined to support the clause in its
in other purposes different from that of immediate sustenance in . . . .
original shot e. •
a year of plenty, might come in aid of the supply in a year of The Amendment was then put, and negatived, and the Bill
scarcity; and that it might, in consequence of scarcity, become _e.
absolutely necessary to stop the Distilleries ; but, generally speak- P'"""'
ing, it was much better to leave agriculture and distillation to i ARMY CLOTHING.
themselves; if the price of grain became so high, in consequence I Mr. WARDLE rose for the purpose of bringing
of scarcity, that the distillation of it would not yield a profit, the forward a Motion, which, he trusted, would be the
Distilleries must of course stop. The high price of grain would means of checking the profligate expenditure and im-
also be an encouragement to fu then cultivation • the produce of • •
no sit ion on the Public in the article of great coats for
which being brought to market, would lower 'tbe price. The r -si-i
high price of grain might have the effect of inducing the conver- the army. A system had grown up, originating. in
alert of a portion of grassland into tillage, which would inunedi- private contracts, highly injurious to the public inter.
ately tend to lower the price of grain ; and if only a thirteenth ests. The Secretary at War, instead of attending to
part of the grass land in the United Kingdom was converted into
the recommendation of the Lords of the Treasury for
tillage, he believed there would be no necessity for the importa-
tion of grain. He objected to the Bill, as tending to lessen the : open contracts, had made very improvident private
cultivation of grain, and to render the operations of agriculture , bargains with clothiers who were his favourites, which
unsteady and fluctuating. The Distilleries, besides, had already ; bargains obtained the sanction of the Commander in
stopped, and ne more grain of the produce of the last harvest
would be distilled; the deficiency, therefore, in the law harvest, I Chief. He should prove, from a variety of docu.
merits in his possession, that the Public Purse had
could be no ground for the Bill, it must apply to the ensuing liar- I
vest, and of that there was at present the fairest prospect. Con- I experienced a very considerable loss in consequence.
ceiving the Bill to be an unnecessary interference with the agri• He read a letter from the Secretary at War to Messrs.
culture of the country, he must oppose it. Pearse and Company, Army Tailors, dated 2d July
Lord HOLLANEI had heard nothing to induce him to with-
draw that support which he intended to give to the present Bill.— 1803, in which Mr. Yorke agrees to the proposition
He could see no reason why, if the quantity of grain consumed in made by them of contracting for great coats for the
a year of plenty, for purposes different from necessary sustenance, soldiers, at the rate of 16s. 6d per coat, but at the
was to come in aid of a year of scarcity, it Might not also come in same time hopes that when grey kersey declines in
aid of a deficiency of importation. The great object in this case
was the relief of the West India interest, now in a state of great l•rice, Messrs. Pe .arse and Co. will reduce their
dlitress, and to prevent that ruin in which they must be involved charges. The Hon. Gentleman stated, that so far
if something was not done to take off a part of that pressure which were Messrs. Pearse and Co. from declinieg in their
weighed so heavily upon them. If this cool Ibe done, as he eon- charges, that up to February 1808, though grey
teaded it could, not only without injuring the interests of agri. kerseys were considerably lower, the same prices were
culture, but with ultimate benefit to those interests, as the West-
India Islands must, in the present state of drain, be in a great I charged. At the period when the contract was first
measure dependant upon this country for provisions ; and if some entered into, the article was 4s. 6d. per yard ; in
relief was afforded in the present instance, these connected with February last, it was only Ss. 6d. per yard. He
them, would be the better enabled to purchase supplies :he saw should prove this fact, from a letter which he had re-
no reason why the present measure should not be carried into
effect, merely because it was contrary to a general principle. ceivell from Messrs. Taylor and Co. of Gomersall,
Lord Viscount SIDMOUTH thought it impolitic to interfere near Leeds, in which they stated, that in December
with the Agriculture of the Country. Let every thing be left to 1804, the price per yard was 4s. Gd.; in December
price, and that would be found a much better regulator of the 1805, it was 4s. 4d. ; in December 1806, it was 4s.
amount of supply in the market, than any legislative measure.—
He could not agree with the policy of sacrificing one interest for 2d. and, in December 1807, it was only 3s. 6d. per
the benefit of another ;it was much better, in his opinion, that I yard. By a calculation made on these prices, and
competition should be left to its effect. With respect to the West taking the number of soldiers to be supplied at
India interest, he thought it would be much better to resort to 1
200,0-,s,
tJtJ it would appear, that, in 1805, a loss had
other measures of a more permanent rature for their relief. -
I
The Earl of ALBF.MARLE lied not heard any necessity sheen
for the present measure, nor could he agree that the West loins ,been sustained by the public ef 2666.; in 1806, a
1 loss of 50001.; and, in 1807, when the price was
interest ought to be relieved at the expellee of the agricultural in- : only Ss. 6d. per yard, and the contract ought to have
terests of the country. With respect to importation of grain, he been no triore than 12s. 9d. a further loss of 15,0001.
was of opinion, that the land now in cultivation would, if pro- , making, in the whole, a total loss of near 23,0001.
perly managed, produce a sufficient supply without the necessity
of importation. lin the course of five years. This was, in his opinion,
Lord DE DUNSTANVILLE did not think the agricultural in- i a very grievous hardship, and he thought the country
terests of the country would be injured by the present measure, was hardly used, in consequence of their Agents em-
and he could not help thinking it hard upon -the West India in- 1 1 e•e, e
p.oe leg favourites.
terest, if, whilst compelled to bring their sugar to this country, A proposition had been made by
they should be precluded from the means which would be afforded . Messrs. Scott and Company, a house of respectabi-
by this measure, of disposing of a part of that produce. I lity in the clothing line, and having at the same time
The Duke of MONTROSE urged the deficiency in the supply contracts with the Ordnance Department, to furnish
of oateand barley in Scotland, as a strong ground for the present
eesure. I these great coats at the rate of 14s. 9d. per coat, but
m
'the Earl of LAUDERDALE contended that the Report of the I their proposition was not attended to. If it had, he
Committee of the House of Commons on this subject, did not I was prepared to prove, that in each delivery (a pc_
I
clearly state the grounds on which the present measure was found- ; nod of three years), a saving of 21,8751. would have
ed. He condemned the principle of sacrificing the interests of the occurred. What was more astonishing was, that
grower of barley to the grower of sugar, observing, that the same I
principle might be extended in a most injurious manner to differ- 1 these very Gentlemen were obliged to take 16s. 6d.
ent trades and manufactures, and contended, that the throwing it being stated to them that all the other clothiers
back upon the market the quantity of barley which would other- were paid the same price. The Hon. Gentleman
wise be consumed in the Distilleries, would necessarily cause a then proceeded to read several letters in confirmation
great diminution of price, and greatly injure the agricultural in-
i of his statements, commenting on them as he went
terests ofspie coutry.
Lord HAWKESBURY contended that the agricultural in- 1 along. He then observed that Pearse, after getting
terests of the country, who were already protected by law in the 116 s. 6d. allowed hith by Government, for S6ldiers'
peke fixed, until which no importation of grain could take place,
had no right to complain of the relief now wished to be afforded 1 great
.. , p.sraer
coats, went down to one LliXoll a slo
, m Fenchurch-streef , and purchased the whole of these
to another great interest of the country. No one could be more
convinced than himsear of the importance of supporting the agri- great ccialtS, at 13s. 6d. each. The Right Honoura-
culture ,of the counter--he had always considered the agri• ' ble Gentleman opposite was'well known, he believed,
culture and the navigation of the country, as the two genet leading ! to this Mr.' Dixon.—(Hear! hear!)—He concluded
interests on
_selsieit tbe prosperity of the ecatirry rested. In this '
by moving the foll Owing Resolutions :
pee., BeW-ever, the :interests of Oh whole community required
that means shouldbe adeotedlo prevent the evil consequences I "1. That it is the opinion of this House, that from an impro-
' of: a fleficienra: pf grain arising from their being no Imposts- per adherence to the system of private contract, the public have
don, and though at present there was every prospect of an been put to a very annerpeaarf etpence for Military Great Coats
abunilatai harvest, still et should be recollected that the critipl ; —and skis the farther opinion of this House, that the Orders of
period pith respect to the future hopes of that harvest had not ; the Treasury of the Stb November, 1807, hod nth February,
yet passed: lt was in this point of view, added to the actual de- ; 1808, directing the Great Coats of the Army to be supplied by
ficieney Thiele existed hi Seotland and Ireland, that he uipiirest : open Contract, are highly proper and necessary to be adopted um'
the( presen/ measure. • j future. ' le
After Ohne explanation between the Earl of Lauderehlemsd the ; "2. That it is the opinion of this House, that Open contract
Duke of heontle...eitee Bill waspiiii4 air.cfasd deseseed committed I should be resorted th in all cues where the Clothing and Appoin t-
(or to-ethereal,. ' . •
Mittlirked st see °Wadi till titteliorroW, this day.) 1 rs. That a Committee to appoigtedte take under their cowl.

deration the Clothing and Appointments of the Army in genera;
with a view to ascertain whether by the adoption of a new system,
Clothing and Appointments, agreeably to his Majesty's Regale.
tions, might not be furnished on such terms as would ensure a
great saving to the public, and at the same time allow a confine
ance of those emoluments to the Colonels that they have hitherto
F enjoyed from the Clothing of their Regiments, or an equivalent
in lien thereof."
He concluded by stating, that it was not his inten-
tion to press his motions this Session.
The SECRETARY at WAR maintained, that
the Government in these Contracts had always con-
sulted the good of the public, and the convenience and
comfort of the Soldier. He assured the House that
a report was daily expected from the Commissioners,
which would comprehend and embrace all the,etopics.
tifr. WHITBREAD deprecated the system of the
clothing of the Army, as too much attention was paid.
to frippery and decoration, of the cavalry in parti-
cular. There was no occasion for their wearing such
huge muffs upon their helmets ; nor could he con.
cave any reason why wt should encourage the
growth of whiskers here, and produce a mutiny in
India by applying the razor to them ! The Honour.
able Gentleman concluded by concurring in the re.
solution.
General STEWART defended the present mode
of clothing the army, as being the best possible way
of doing it.
Mr. HUSKISSON opposed the vote for the Com.
mittee, and defended the conduct of Ministers.
Mr. FULLER.-0 Sir, as to what the Honour,
able Gentleman has said about the dress of the army.
I quite agree with him. I won't mince the matter,—
I think it is a great shame to allow the puppies who
command regiments to regulate the uniform of theie
men and racers, whether the Commanding Officer
be a Prince or a private Gentleman. Sir, I think that
in this respect he ought "is stand theirtal !" (Lea
laughter.)--,-Now I hope this business will lie attended
to, beesatt I have nuationtel it ; and Lsvo'nt :vitt it any
loner I" (A greatjtoffalaughter followed thu :perch.)
Mr. WARDLE ed, but ultimately withdrew
' his suCltilie.

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MR. PALMER'S CLAIM,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
mewed that the resolution of the 14th of June, re.
specting Mr. Palmer's claim, should be read, which
was done. He then moved, that Mr. Palmer's claim
should be made a separate Bill, so as to take it put of
the annual approprialions. This course he did pet
think irregular, and cited several cases froth' the Jour.
nals, particularly Sir T. Lombe, in. 1759 ; Mr. Har-
rison, for 134 time-piece ; Mr. Philips, for his powder*
invented for the purpose of destroyipg insects rue-
rally ; and the grants for building Westminster.
Bridge: all of these grants were separate Bills ; andl
therefore, under the conscious discharge of his duty,
and to prevent the rejection of the Appropriation
Bill, he was under the necessity of moving for leave
to bring in a Bill, founded on the resolution of the
14th of June.
Major PALMER gaup an account of the steps he
had already taken in this business. At the commence-
ment of the Session he said he had waited on the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, who told him that he would
not oppose the claim, if such opposition should ap-
pear to be against the sense of the House. He
thanked the Right Hon. Gentleman, and went away,
with a persuasion that this application would not be
opposed by him. After the decision lately taken by
the House, he thought he should have no more occa!
sion to speak upon it. His case was a very hard one;
and he now feared he was farther from his object than
ever. He had no idea that the Bill would not have
. been thrown out in the Lords, after the Commons
had agreed to it. It would be hypocrisy in him to
say he approved of the Bill now moved for, because
it would be thrown out in the Lords to a certainty;
and he begged the Bill might not be sent there, and
that he might be saved all that expence and trouble
attending it. He threw no blame on the Lords for
their conduct—
(Here the SPEAKER said the House had no in.
timation as to what had been done in the Lords ; and
he could not allow any reflections to be made on that
House). •
Mr. WHITBREAD said, the Chancellor of the
Exchequer founded his argument on the fact of what
he represented as having been done in the Lords.
Mr. FULLER.—" The Honourable Gentleman
had better let the Lords alone ; they will do him nu
goo Mr,
. WINDHAM thought that all the learning
displayed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on this
occasion was like a beautiful building erected on the
ground of another. Here was a Bill proposed upon
the subject, to do that which had been already includ-
ed in the Appropriation Act ; and this when the
situation of things had changed. It was like the
case of a measure being adopted and laid aside. It
was asked what had passed since ? For which the
answer was—many week: have past since. But that
was not the case here altogether, because not only
many weeks had past, but a resolution had passed
against this measure in the House of Lords ; and as
to the House of Commons, many Members of that
House had gone out of town, without any idea of the
claim of Mr. Palmer being defeated ; so that now the
case was not before the same judges as formerly. He
did not mean to deny the right of the Lords to interfere
in a measure of this kind, but there never was a case
decided more properly than the subject of discussion
in the House of Commons, or more maturely consi-
dered than the present ; and the result was, that
the majority was against the Ministers, which spoke
the sense of the House of Commons to be fee
Mr. Palmer's claim, against the wish of the Minister;
which was not gained by party motives, but by justice
against party ; for Mr. Palmer, although a respecta-
ble individual, could certainly have no influence what-
ever with the majority of the House of Commons; in
fact, be stood in the situation Of Horatio with &m-
-itt, who says to him—
.. Do net think I Ratter thee; for whit adarancemect can I
hope from thee, who no revenue bast, 11%0 thy good spirits, to
feed sad clothe thee?"
Mr. Palmer was not in the situation of the Duke of
Athol, whose claim was resisted by great men in the
House of Commons ; but then the Duke of Athol,
by his great connections, had necessarily great influ-
ence in the House of Commons. He resembled the
man who undertook, with the aid of, an assistant, to
eat a vast number of peaches in a short time, and
which he effected—but that assistant was a lean tow !
The Duke of Athol had that species of assistance;
but Mr. Palmer had not, and therefore lie could net
devour political peaches in the same manner. He

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was decidedly against the mode of proceeding now
ersed by the Minister, which he thought not en-
rtireirfree from the imputation of duplicity ; and it
reminded him of what course was taken in the case
o{l ord Melville, on which the sense of the majority
of the House was reversed after a great many gentle-
men had gone out of town.
Mr. H. BROWNE suppported the motion of the
chancellor of the Exchequer.
Si! T. TURTON was most decidedly, and spoke
most warmly, in favour of the claims of Mr. Palmer,
doo was, in his opinion, a meritorious individual,
whose merits had been recognized repeatedly by a
majority of the House of Commons against the Mi-
stecs, whom he thought used their weight unfairly
iD opposing Mr. Palmer. He maintained that the
tal was put up in such a manner as that it must be
ogled, for the Lords were forced to come to a
;occlusion on it ; and he did not hesitate to say, that
ibioras intended by Ministers when they sent up this
Bill for the purpose of procuring its rejection. Now, if
there ever was a time in which the House should stand
ugh in the world, it is the present ; and the way to
accomplish that was -not to use the arm of power
against an individual, for mankind generally took ^he
parr of an individual opposed by Government • and
Lhis is the case of an individual, in which the House
cf Commons have voted to him a sum of money.—
But he had seen Ministers within a few days use their
icauence in support of measures which none concerned
i„,t3oecn could defend, but covering themselves by a
majority. Here you act in such a manner as that a
;orritorious individual, who does not obtain grants
tut reversions for his Relations, but what his service
:wits, cannot have what you are indebted to him,
cad what you have acknowledged you owe him ;
tot if you do not do him justice in this case, it may
k said that the bond of a swindler, which may be
railable at some time or other perhaps, will be eli-
Ole in preference to a vote of the House of Corn-
eons, which may be dishonoured at the recommen-
dation of the House of Commons ; but the House

il'ould never be afraid to abide by its rest elution, when
banded upon justice, for
Bat justitia, mat c&um.
Mr. JOHNSTONE defended the conduct of Mi.

sisters on the present occasion, and entered into an
historical detail .of the facts of the case. He thought
his Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer) was utterly.incapable of doing that which was
gnputed to him on this occasion ; but he pursued th:it
which the regard he had for the decision of the House
st Lords dictated. .

' Mr. TIE RNEY thought that more unworthy con-
duct in a Minister was never exhibited in the House
lof Commons than that manifested in the present in-
dance. The Minister said, on the first occasion when

phis subject was brought forward, that he should do
no more than speak against it ; but w' he not now
doing more ? This was a private Bill, aed generally
!peaking, private Bills were brought in by private in-
dividuals. Here a Bill was brought in for a private
individual against the will of that individual ; so that
kwas a Bill in the name of an individual against his
interest. But pride was at the bottom of all ,his, for
the Chancellor of the Exchequer had been five times
defeateelby a majority of the House of Commons,
and he was the only Chancellor of the Exchewer who
tier experienced such a defeat upon questions of Fi-
ance. They .generally lard the prudence to see how
tie wind blew, but the present Chancellor of the Ex-
&quer retained in this case, nothing of the office hot
itpride, and this present measure was by way of
Irrtage upon the House for voting against
isto the right of the Lords to interfere in Bills of
Cskind, all he could say was, that whatever the
gh.. of the Loreh; s hay be, the Honsc of Commons
ko not allow the Lords to interfere in matters of ti's
ascription ; so in the Army and Navy Bills every •
Tar; and those who lament encroachment upon
We Lords, had so to lament every year. So it was in
the case of Maynooth College, which the Lords
could not touch in the Appropriation Act without
overturning the supplies of the year ; so it was in the
MT of Messrs. Chambers and Coire, &c. ; again in
thecase of Lord Nelsen, in which the Lords had r 0
twice left between agreeing to the measure :iad step-
ezg the supplies of the year. Besides, if this is to be
aquestion, whether the Lords will stop the supplies,
)tithe Lords be answerable for the consequences.—
Illy is the House of Commons to give up its privi..
Itgeout ef a bug-bear dread of the Lords ? Besides,
t!tis course of proceeding proposed by the Minister
csntrary to the practice of the last century ;---
tthrl he could not account for it unless it was from
the resentment of the Minister, who had provoked
cether combat, in ,vhich he lu.ped he would be de-
feated; for evert/ Meniln ought to think this an un-
woolly attack on the House of Commons, and an at-
tack on the honour of those who had voted on this oc-
o3:on, as Gentlemen.
Mr. BANKES saw ino reason why the House of
Lords should not judge for themselves as well as the
House of Commons, on the spirit of a contract ; and
which the House of I.ords were better calculated
o
"111 the Cot:micas, inasmuch as their Lordships
7culd examine witnesses at their bar upon oath. H.
was ag:tirts; the claims of Mr. Palmer altogether in
this cast.
Mr. POYSON BY contended, that the present was
ncta question of interpretation of contract, but a ques-
tidal of fact, ix hich had been dettermieed by a decision
cithisHouse. Tne Right Hon. Gentleman, in contempt
• f that grave decision come to upon five distinct votes,
:six' sought be tin? Bill which he this night moved for,
set it a!ide. He was much surprised at the lan-
Page of the I lon. Gentleman who spoke last. It was
the taut time he had heard it argued, that to effectu-
ate any object which this House might have in view,
the surest way would be not to do any thing displeas-
thg to the I louse of Lords. He would ask any Gentle-
Ilan conversant with the history of Parliament, whe-
ther it was not the undoubted privilege of this House
tote peremptory in money matters ? If they were not,
the public would lose, by means of their Representa-
tives; one of their greatest constitutional privileges,)
(Hear, h•ar .I—What was the present case ? why
this: the Commons had granted a sum of money
and in order to effectuate their object, the Right Ho-
murable Gentleman introduces a Bill which goes to
defeat that object. This. House then ;mist be in a!
strange hornoUr indeed if they adopted the. Bill, be.
quse it might enable the other House to cloceat their
'-'wll object. If the House was satisfied Let. their
7ote was wrong, why then the most proper and
tansy way would be to'rescind that vote it would

better become the dignity and Character of
ment. The Right Hon. Gentleman had wit adduc.id
any proofs to invalidate the grant. It would requ;re
stronger reasons than he had brought forward, to in-
duce the House to defeat its own object in such a
mean, shabby, and evasive manner.—( Hear ! hear ! )
But then it had been said that this House could not
do right without the concurrence of the House of
Lords. This was a most unconstitutional mode of rea-
soning. Who gave them that privilege? He had never
before heard they possessed it. If the), did, it was an
assumed right. Sure he was, that if it was once ad-
mitted that the House of Lords had the undoubted
privilege of interfering with the public purse, why
then the Representatives of the people not only gave
up their own privileges, but they also gave up the
privileges of the people.—( Hear ! Hear!) Did riot
the Right Hon. Gentleman, he would ask, propose
this very measure for the purpose of defeating the
object of this House ? A great deal had been said
about precedents. He could take upon himself to
deckre, that no such measure as the present had
passed since the Revolution A measure which was
not only dangerous to the privileges of Parliament,
but also to the privileges of the People.
Mr. ROSE could state more instances than one
in point. The object of the Bill was to give the
Lords an opportunity of judging of the merits of Mr.
Palmer'•s claims. The majority of the grants which
had been made to individuals, were by separate bills,
and not by a clause in the Appropriation Act. As
proof, the Right Hon. Gentleman noticed the cases
of Dr. Smith; Mr. Phillips, Mr. Stevens, &c. He
could not help adverting io ele claims of Mr. Palmer,
and again declaring, that he had forfeited all title to
remuneration, by his conduct when in office.
Mr. FULLER, with considerable warmth, de-
clared that this House were the proper guardians of
the Public Purse ; nor should the House of Lords, so
long as he had a vote, interfere with their property.
He was sorry to see the Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Bankes) so captious and so fretful when his own Bill
was thrown out of the other House ; but he was more
S.), when he saw him lend his countenance to such a
Bill as Cie present, entrenching upon the dearest pri-
vileges of the Constitution—( Hear ! hear ! )—lt re-
minded him of a beautiful passage in Shakspeare,
where--.' His quidditles and cranks mantled like a
standing pool ;" and where it is mid-4, lam Sir
Oracle! Let no dog bark !"—(A laugh.)—The Ho-
nourable Gentlepian contended that the House were
bound to insist upon their privileges, and not suffer
them to be invaded.

Sir FRANCIS BURDETT conceived the merits
of Mr. Palmer would not be overpaid if his Claims
were acceded to. It was vrduty incumbent on the
House to support the five decisions which they had
come to in much fuller Houses than the present. The
Honourable Baronet proceeded to examine the Re-
port of the Ccmmittee on the Claims, and contended
that from that Report it was evident Mr. Palmer's
Claims were founded in justice.
Mr. BURTON supported the measure.
Mr. WHITBREAD opposed it in a speech of
considerable length.
Mr. CANNING urged the necessity of making a
separate Bill, like that suggested by his Right Hon.
Friend.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
recapitulated his arguments in a speech ofsomelength.
The House then divided—For le..tve to bring in the
separate Bill IS(—Against it 6:3—Majotity in favour
of Ministers 129.
Adjourned at half past four o'clock this morning.

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON.

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This morning arrived a mail from the Leeward
lilai,dst brought to Falmcuth by the Isabella packet
in 4'.5 days from Tortola.
By this conveyance the unpleasant intelligence has
been received of the lossof his Majesty's frigate ASTREA,
on the Hamegada rocks on the 24th ultimo, after
convoying the Prince Ernest packet up the Windward
Passage—we are happy to add that the whole of the
crew were saved except three men.

Mails have also arrived this day from New York
and Halifax, brought to Falmouth by the PRINCESS
MARI- Packet, in 21 days from Halifax.
The ParscEss MARY brings accounts that his Ma-
jesty's brig OBSERVATEUR, of 18 guns, had arrived
at Halifax before she sailed, with information that
six ail of French men of war had-arrived at St. Au-
gustine, in Florida, and had landed between four
and five thousand men. Some of the accounts that
have reached Town from Falmouth, state, that the
above ships are the Rochefort squadron. We cannot
yet ascertain the fact, as the letters by the Mail will
not be delivered from the Post office till to-morrow.

This packet, however, can hardly have brought
any thing not known before. The intelligence from
Halif ,x, given in the STAR of Wednesday, came by
a vessel v:hinh sailed t day later than the PRINCESS
mmty.—The rumou► of the landing of the French
troops in the Florida gains little credit in the City.

We have this morning received a letter from Aber-
deen, of the date of Monday last, which contains the
following paragraph :
An Officer, who had just latided ht Peterhead,
from Russia, arrived here yesterday, and set off for
London in a chaise and four. The intelligence he
brings has not transpired."—We shall not trouble our
Readers with even a single conjecture respecting the
above fact. If the Gentleman has travelled as fast as
the Mail, something may be expeoed to transpire

soon, if his mission relates tctany thing of a public

nature.