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consideration, lie conceived, was the only way in which .he ' the Right liou. Baronet opposite. ( Sir J..Gratha,.ele)o,o, 71.itib, ate'.d
could explain what occurred to his mind upon the subject. He full consent of many Gentlemen in her Arajes ysetafc4,oll"
Pia, It
looked upon this es one of- the most serious questions that whatever Hon.. Gentlemen may_thiek of the Rr
,c,
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could (weepy the attention of Parliament ;he conceived that was one of thoee prints upon whir+ the two Ise tiers_ to last,
State policy demented that it should be carried out. and legis-. issue. He would venture to.
is
oithat., ferontuntiosol „hlt
lative principles did not. forbid it. He had bee e restless,: over if there , was a sing r
some public docuineet- recently upon the sub j. ct of the Irish ought to De considered.meorea ftuleedearnennaltnand,.irnev
church, and he had found by them that sums of money, to the another, it was that which settledzthe comparytiin
that of
the two parties to the measure who were to ~1
amount of 10.700,0001., had been granted to the Episcopal
• h the E t
Church in Irelard, independent of revennes which sa- He therefore treated the objection to the article of_wthaes
blishment had from other sources, within a certain period ; asserted f _
union as frivolous. But even if the article of the union
or
all that the defenders of the Established Church
e, thing ?
that the Presbyterians in Ireland had received within the
same period, 865,0 Cl. ; but the sum total of the grants made it, did that prove the Established Church to be a gai°eucataalie
to the Roman Catholics within the same period was only —( Hear, hear.) Then he heard something
oughtabout To
be 00.1
365.0001., for nothing more nor less than the support oath. Well,. suosing even that that oath ' eoate, cubed
of Maynooth. Well. then, the people of Ireland had heard their in the spirit in which_ Churchmany persons considered it sn
religion abused, and this miserable pittance begrudged them. that prove that the Established
and could they in England therefore wonder that. the Irish this ?.—( Hear, hear.) When he was told that Ito
pee to be
people should have a feeling of soreness at the injustice done tholic laymen and prelates, when they were strege eOO
them, and that that feeling should have spread over the country relieved from the disabilities which pressed upon the Reid any
objection to see the Protestant
from one end to the other ?—( Hear, hear.) He would contend
for it that religion had nothing to do with this question. Reli- proof
Church was best for that country a (Hears bearit
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be derived from that. that the Protestant Estab • )
gion did not contradict conscience, though it was founded upon ,
it. The arguments in its favour might be supernatural, but
Chen there were objections to the form of the Horni°l'bbi eertsb gol
[ they were re t unnatural, or such as should force a Gotten-me t was said that was an ineonvenient. time. to move thrniet;_:itiatil
Ito act act of injustice. He was mireh struck, on the first night These were merely accidental objections; but were the'
of this debate, at what hat • taken place in that House. arguments to show that this was a good. institution?_aeutee.....n
again—but he was almost ashamed to notice such an trlsisod
He had seen petitions from the Dissenters, and from the
towns and from the counties. some few from the Established —the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary fort_To paye
Church party : mei, leo- of all, came the miserable petition he was surprised 'hat the Right Hon. Gentleman ghoul trod
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that had been presented trim some 'lose in Ulster. .—f Hear, made use of it—said tt that if you adopted this motto. ••
hear.) But eat, when all that display of bigotry and fanatical would. unsettle theesecurity of an landed property.”e beeitaeea
,to do property ,n we 1 - Hear, ses 7
hessian had sn'tesitisd end gone down, then there remained that the Right Hon. et nt eman see the great ditferenc A yolr
,fill ,ny,ll ronien within all, wheat told them they (melt; 1-•ich some terson had a Tested interest, anue„,.)
i per' Vin which no ',arty hat a vested interest?—( 0181 5,.
justice, to love mercy, walk humble —not a. Torres:slant ascend-
eesey teen, not as violent bigots-ahut to walk humbly ie the ' Tee Right Hon. Gentleman might as well have said. that sane 01
sight of the great Creator of the universe --( tte,r. hear. ) rtoiag
when that House resolved prospectively to abolish the ow" . to
auditor and teller of the Exchequer, that they
.were e Olt
air. M. GIBSON said that th • Hoe. lien-her or °site rip-
unsettle all the vested and funded property in the coheqo
peered to have the faculty of seeing tee ther into future results unless when Lord Granville died an auditor of the Es,,e,saufett
than the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Maje-ty's was appointed to succeed him to donothing, or when Lova/dap&
Government. He had said that the day was not far distant (lied that some person should be appointed as telleratdqe die. 1
when the Leeislature would be compelled to take into consi- thing.—(Cheers and laughter.) There was, theu, , 74it eon'
tinction between the two cases—a distinction which
deration the whsle question of the Irish Church and Church
fident the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Sir Robert they
property in 'lreland, and in that he (Mr. Gibson) fully con• at least would frilly recognize. But, after all, what werebeael
(tumid.— ( Hear, hear.) Ile had heard the Right Honour- doing but shifting and evading the question? Had the.te 011
ne ', peel)
able Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland's speech, and he in that House one word as to treating this subjectaineaamases
should say he was surprised at the Right Honourable way in which it ought to be treated by any st te!luso; ma
ser
Hear, hear.) Had they ever heard any P'T rset
Gentleman's doctrines.—( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon.
the Established Church was a good institution' Did It sought
Gentleman had spoken of the property of the Irish any one of the purposes for which an established churchadit,
Church as a thing most sacred—(Hear, hear) —as a thing par- to be instituted? Had they ever heard that? Had they htle arty
taking of Divine origin—and, therefore, was never to be or anything of the kind to-night? Did any divineeeiaos of
touched.—( Hear, hear.) In fact, the Right Hon. Gentle- speculative writer, did any person who ever wrote in ‘1,17.h tbs
man's argument amounted to this—that if there happened to an established church, put it upon any grounds in Woewrepe•
be but one Protestant in the whole ef Ireland, still the pro- Church of Ireland, as it now existed, could be siter` whist'
perty of the Irish Protestant Church should remain untouched. (Hear, hear.) Why, there was not a single ground on iota
—( Hear, hear.) If such were the Bight Hon. Gentleman's the defenders of an established church supported such as fires
at gument. he (Mr. M. Gibson) would wish to know how he tution,which was not a satire on the Established Church °batch,
would recOncile the transference of the tweney-five per cent. land. There was not a single authority for an establishedseatbolier
Church property from the Church to .Irish I:ndlords, which come from where it might, whether from Protestant era" f for
should have gone to a fund for the benefit of the Irish people? Conservative or Liberal, from a divine of the Church oho it
--(Hear, hear)—or how he could reconcile the taking the land, or a divine of the Church of Scotland, from seat se
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Church cess out of the hands ef the Protestant clergyman, arid could not be shown that the Irish Church was so
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leaving it to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners to administer ? abuse that it could hardly be conceived how it exit
I Hear, hear.) With regard to the proposition of his Hon. (Hear, hear.) Was anything to be found like it in tnietritea,
Friend, he would say that they must admit the principle that world ? Was there an instance to be found excel)! oepost'
Maynooth should he endowed, before the House should be where the Church of the minority was established to rfaiff •
called upon to the consideration of the question as to what tion to the great mash of the people? Such a case Wa! °
tubewhite
funds that expense should be defrayed from, because it. was be found amongst themselves. From the
only upon those grounds that he considered that the fee-simple to the Mediterranean, from the Volga ,t re°
of the property of the Irish Church was vested in Atlantic, there was no where an instance 0 a roill
the State.—( Hear, hear.) He had not had an op- establishment being given to a small minority ot est
portunity, on the second re ding of the Bill. to Mormonism in America to Mahomedanism in Asia, it steser!fl
state his views upon giving a permanent endowment to May- to be found. In some places there was the voluntary aY--s.tate, lat
nooth ; but he quite agreed with the Hon. Member for Stock- several places there was a church connected with the e°,
port, that this was neither a religious nor a theological question, other places there were churches receiving pay which ~..04 a,.
but a question of education, and that upon those grouuds the in connexion with the State, but in no place except IreL fog'
Government were justified in making it.—( Hear, hear.) He the church of the minority enjoy its establishment. -isajesitlt
did not think that the Government of a country should inter- land, the Established Church was the Church of the 'of tb
fete in matters of religion in taking such a stele or say that In Scotland, the Established Church was the Church t_ st 0
questions of religion should form a ground for refusal, for that majority. He did not know whether it was so now, b°i'aeriti'
would be adopting the principle that the religion of is
lcountry events, it was not the Established Church of a small lot svail
giving withholding certain civil a
In their colonies they had done much for religion, la eele,
vantages,—( Hear, hear.) He conceived that the State had an those dependencies of the British Crown where the peoPoi poi
interest in the education of all men. He looked upon the
Roman Catholic priests as men, and therefore they should be
educated.—(Hear', hear, and a laugh.) He would ask, was attached to obscene and bloody superstitions, thel might 0,
establish a church for the minority. Whoever thir Tlaa,
parcelling out Bengal and the Carnatic into curacies
otei th'
not that the logical deduction ? The G.evernment were not was only one country in the whole world which preeeneoola
hound to provide the particular plan of trasning that the reople spectacle of a population of eight millions of people °lateral
should undergo. The State had merely to provide the funds,
an Established Church for eight hundred thouaand.-o`ht Ow '
and, that done, the public had the advantage by the State having He had heard it c
argued at other times, and that ol te tbal°,..
been the means of raising the moral standard of her Majesty's the prosperity and intelligence of the country belong oy tr
snhjects. He contended that there was no system of education who professed the Protestant faith. That went Mrfice pair
which had not religion more or less mixed up with it ; and other way. He could conceive only two cases in else'swa I
therefore, when the public were taxed for education, they were perty ought to prevail over numbers. One of those
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also taxed for religious instruction.—(Hear, hear.) As to where the object of the institution was the preserywaob;
the proposition for defraying this expense out of the church property—for instance, in a railway company the alaastese° I
property founts, he would say, he did think it a very just rip- five hundred shares ought reasonably to have more rote _.e iff.
propriation of these funds. The church funds were intended persons who had hut one share each. The other tea; al
to be applied to the best uses to which they could be put—the where you wished to have aqualification to judge e° a qaaelie
Y intellect. As a test of the intelligence of men, suenn &In
Government was the party to decide that; but he would sa
the very best uses to which they could be put was the advance- cation was indeed the only test that could be applied .0' cereal
ment of education ; when these were found to be too much cases. That was the reason, he apprehended, whY, is jig,
for Protestant purposes, then he could not see why the surplus eases which required a higher intelligence and grea saellaera
should not be aperoptiated to sonic useful purpose.—( Hear.) ment, they selected special jurors in the place of the
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Hon. Gentlemen opposite who opposed this motion had not common jurors ; hut none of these eases applied t° rho fact
that the Protestant congregations in Ireland had been Establishment.—( Cheers. ) So far from that beingins oaf
increasing; on the contrary, it was well known that they had when you institute a church, you ought not to thi°o'o, teal
been decreasing ; while, on the other hand, the Roman rich man being equal to five poor men, but of one )10 the Pit,
Catholic congregations had been, year after year, increasing in being equal to five rich men—( Hear,
Ireland in a larg:a ratio than formerly.—( Hear, hear.) place, the public ordinances of religion were of Mereethe lie. •
On these grounds, then, he would say that State en- ance to a poor man than a rich man. He did not to"t'the tie
dowments should not he confined to Protestant establishments portance of those ordinances to men of all ranks ; aeitia rib',
If the Reuse went minutely into this question, they would cumstasces in which the rich man was placed—hisof di,int J.,
arid net only 'hat the great majority of the lower claeses, of the to have recourse to the best works on the subjaeatsuce oleo
Trish people were Rontrin Catholics, but that the great bulk of being able to hi lil communion with the minds te,,,,,eesoieo
the peesantry who were Protestants had a leaning to Catholi- Barrow, Leighton, and Hooker, rendered those oar lu 0,15 ha
add
city He had heard of he parish in Ireland, in which there importance to him than to the poor man. Thep 7ead them, t,
was not one Protes•ant ; hrtt the Protestant rector, expecting such books, and even if he had, he had no time to to oll°tten"e
the visitstien of the Bishop, to inquire if such was the fect, they would be of no more advantage to him that' „ oho had :et
borrowed the Roman Catholic corgre2ation from the i arish The difficulty was, in the case of the poor ma-but was J.„
vrieq. arid thus, when the Bishop arrived, he saw a very other food than potatoes for himself and familYt teacher' e
torene, a atfendat,ci. of Protestants in the eliurch.—(Laugh- obliged to sell his pig in order to pay the religious , core
ter.) He believed that no part of Europe or of the civilised (Hear, hear.) He was in favour of an Establishel ,„11101
erorld could prcs,nt such an anomaly as the Established himself. He thought there were great evils in the f e';:elote
hear)—for, le itio.,%.
church in Ireland ; and, do what they would to the coryrary, system. If not prepared to take the same view of thew the
until some sweeping means were ado, ted in r gain to it, it tary system as many of his Hon. Friends--it was not 000
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would ever attach to this country as a badge of rereach and sake of Lords and Baronets, wealthy merchants and ,Ca the/
disgrace.--( Hear.) He weld say this Irish question had not gentlemen—they would have whatever religious teaebl9aceor
yet been solved. The Right Hon. Baronet op Josite had ad- wanted—they v:ould have churches, cathedrals, organeae re
witted the difficulty of it : but he (Mr. Gibs- n) would say =teen plate, and all that conferred dignity and 11.4araeat `be
that it never would be, until all ascendancy were done ligious worship—it was net such as these he pitied;
_,,,er
away with, for there should he no ascendancy of any poor man who, out of his hard earnings, was obliged t ya,',..9a
sort.—( Loud n ties of " Hear, hear.") He did not think a year to the Church. —( Cries of " Hear,
tiet; E,
that the State should grant to Ireland this favour, not from Take the alternative. Would they have ° wool,
fear, but from a strong conviction that the Irish people had a without religious instruction altogether? Thee_. ter!,
claim to he placed ueon terms of perfect equality with any be
a
other portion of the inhabitants of the British nation. —( Hear, he. then, to pay for rte'' All must say it would be `Vasit fob;
ear. ) Nothing hut equality of civil and religious rights weulit great calamity, only to himself but to societyt base
ship from an income so moderate.—(Hear, hear-) see 0100
Os ; and if that course were adopted, then would there he arc 1: eel iced from charity ? That was a most precarious es: it ate
smalgamation of the Irish arid the 7nelish people, and both ht He thoueenteott
se,
humiliating mode or supporting a Church.
a happy and contented people.—(Cheers. ) most desirable that throughout the coujory, from
should Pate
Sir J. WALSH said it would appear to him that the Hon. the other, even in its remotest parts, there shouto be rebel
Member opposite was an enemy to all Church Establishments ; of worship where the great body of the people e,,. which tea,
but he (Sir J. Walsh), being an advocate for such Establish- giously instructed, and would have a priesthood tntag $ Pito
could have ready access, nst as a matter of favour, " Iv tO ~,I2
ments, as most necessary to the happiness of mankind, he ter of right.—( Hear, hear.) But did that apP J foal'asl
would oppose the motion of the Hon. Member for Sheffield, Church of Ireland ? In arguing about the opposed
because it would strike a blow at the Established Church, both Church, the advocates of the voluntary sYste;ey op
in this country and Ireland. The Honourable Member for a, because of the nature of its foundation. tes ae're'
Sheffield had stated certain grounds, with which he many arguments against it, whilst its advocates the lot
(Sir J. Walsh) fully concurred, though he could many in its favour : but, on the whole, he thaugn3,,t o_o
not concur in his conclusions.—( Hear.) He admitted eonderance was in favour of the English Church• d jt wtil
that three of the provinces of Ireland contained a dense pope- he came to argue against the Church of Irelail,:ieetr, ,ps
lation, the majority ef whom were Roman Catholics, but there found there was no balance. no counterpoising 7,'" Ale_ of
were a great number of Protestants in those districts who the weights were in the same scale.—(Hear, hOar• iceareate
possessed wealth and intelligence, and were, therefore, a most arguments which could be used in defending th against
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important: part of the population. He said this, in order to England would tell against the Irish Church
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prevent the existence of the impression that there was no church of the few—the church of the wealthy
.t'o ehtia,e
rcl'gion in Ireland but Roman Catholic. Freer what he heard which, reversing every principle on which a Christ's,„o,...:,,
during those debates, it would a, pear to him as if there could ought to be founded, " filled the rich with good To till
be nothing gained on one side which was not taken front the sent the hungry empty away."--(Hear, hear. )..mrcb o..ar
other. A most unfortunate state of things existed in Ireland. was another end which it was urged this a,°,lar mstaa,
destructive of the internal repose and tranquillity of the attain. It was admitted that it did not adminisi7d to,go
country, which it was the duty of the Government tion to the great body of the people, but it adv , rea, aas
to remedy, as far as they could.—(Hear, hear.) So other end. What was it 2 I was a proselitising chit efaats
long as there was a feeling in Ireland that people were not yet Protestant, but the Church.; Tat it ,
she was treated with haustice and humiliation, so long them so. At present there were but sheherd.!a floa,7s
would a feeling of irritation end estrangement towards this said the shepherds would find for themselves. play
country exist. -The Government of this country ought, there- He had heard that same argument tea
eot,tober,be
fore, to apply a remedy to those real evils under which Ireland ycers ago, when a proposal was made to reduce th_ as for ,_.,
was suffering ; but that was not to he at the expense of others; Irish bishops. The Hon. Gentleman the Mernhea,„ WI%
and at the present juncture he thought that the motion of the University of Ox lord then made use of a remarkefeewlfor,tp
Hon. Member for Sheffield, was ill- timed, for it might do which he well recollected, "We must make allowal°'ol loe
much to neutralise the good effects of the measure proposed by expansive force of Protestantism."—(Laughter.) be !hie
her Majesty's Government. He admitted that the Church of Hon, Gentleman further aided that " Bishop?, fla rine
Ireland was in an anomalous position—(Wear, hear) ;—hut too many, but they will be soon too few• . he, fro
the state of Ireland was quite as anomalous as that of the Lerd the Member for Dorsetshire said the other Ileisa teie
Church. He thought it was much better frankly to accept iug of the missionary character of the Church of ia. it One
the boon proposed by her alajesty's Government, than he said that Church had a missionary character, that
that'll
to excite feelings of irritation in Ireland. Nothing would such a position as soon to spread the Protestant faith
, this 'l,/
have a more injurious effect in In-land than any concessions our Munster and Connaught. He must say that it
in ~,tlie,e
that would increase the danger of the Protestant Church in that guage had been held the Councils of Queen Eliailrlaillty-
eour,,ry. If the tresent motion were carried, so far from could conceive there would be some reason in it—if Stbeie,
tranquillising Ireland, it would have a directly opposite effect. Cecil or Sir Nicholas Bacon were called in to discuss ongie7fe
He hoped that the measure of her Majesty's Government re- lion he could conceive their entertaining such 4o
seecting Maynooth would he followed up by others tending to and using such terms—they might say " we,
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soothe the Catholic itoonlation, but he trusted that the Bight but a few Protestants in Ireland now, but
Hon. Barone, would consider that the honour arid faith of the kikow how rapidly the Protestant faith sPrniel
r. ther i Ste
cemory were pledeed. to maintain in its integrity we, who remember when Martin •-•u ale 0, AI
the Peeestant Church of Ireland, and be trusted 0--gad to preach in Wurtemberg, and now see oneeb eaSd
that he weuld not, in any plans which ee migh have in view rope embracing Protestant opinions—we, thereln„lt e
for the toneaora.tion oflrclaed and the Cathodic Church, do that Protestantism will be speedily diffused througb-ecoMLA
any thing whit:': would have the slightest tendency to render part of the sister country, and that it will seou lc ' 7:,e,
less efficient or less s'2cure the Esta'Aished Church in that Church of the people, in fact, as well as in this coul'''oaileariel
country.—( Fleas.) might have been the sentiments of Cecil and his eiege,ese
Mr. MACAULAY said he was desirous of catching the and they might have been excused fur such r_eoeas°;, laar, a
when this Chureh had existed in Ireland from laso°_,ee eesTalti
Speaker's eye, because it so happened that he had never yet
when they had before them the experience of a'r- 'jai 'ea
had an opportunity of fully declaring his views on the inn. seemed incredible to hint how gentlemen of ability e°4000„01
portant question now belore the House. He was not in the such language.—( Hear, hear.) And what could 11/03 it 'race
oountry at the time when this subject was before discussed in a church that had not been done for this church? eepe fhb
Parliament, when it had almost thrown every other question been loaded with honours and dignities—had it not Tool.
and protected, up to a late period, even by penal of oriole
into the shade—which convulsed the whole political world— as to money, was there ever on the la"e, eo•a se
which divided the administration of Lord Grey, and overthrew earth a set of rectors who received so much for dolt'" eletil
the short-lived administration of the Right Hon. Baronet.— —or a set of bishops and rectors who received hat' jailer as
( Hear, hear.) The motion of his Hon. Friend the for doing twice as much duty 7---, Hear. hear.) " Cash
Member for Sheffield went to V•e whole question'. It shat had thee, to show:—The most zealous Rents°, ,/
o elate
was true he only asked, indeed, for 26,000/, from the population on the face of the earth.—(Loud cries 0 Oleo
Irish Chirren, tint are understood his merlon to eo to the whole hear.") Where the Protestants were- 200 year' listeaof
quessien. It appeared to him to resemble an ejectment from a they were still—( Hear, hear.) They had not 001! easiera
title t•i the whole trampling over the domain of the Old Faith. but thedr,iias etb,
single farm, far the purpree of try ing the
pr perty.—(Ch-ors.) He did not conceive that any person was to maintain their own pale. Toe Roman Catlchala;
could ressonahly vote for his Hen. Friend's proposition who still ten to one against the members of theEstablishe" 040'10
was not prepared to no further.—( Heat, hear ) And, on the —( Hear, hear.) Now, he should like to ask 11°11',0aSt to
Gentleman who opposed his men opposite, whose zeal for Protestantism was 50 I‘;cere he
other hand, he conceived that every
Hon. Friend's proposition. must be understood to eo 50 with the what could they impute this grand failure:? If
:?If breow" erred
to fueling that the whole of the property of the bosh Church ought speak of it as a Roman :I•atholic might be s
to continent exclusively in Protestaat hands.—( Hear, hear. ) I might exclaim, " The chine pretooiina has preserfeee;
The questing. then wee, whether the Established Church was ! Church horn great eanger, and toe salpeproPbor
an institution which ought or ought not to be maintained? He vi-fence - that turned the curses of the der° "
should have thought it a t ruism—though the discussion upon into blessitigs, and destroyed the Assyrian host, will reps- 012'
the subject led him to think that it was one which Church victorious over all the policy of eminent o'2 ries,
had not occurred to any Gentleman on the opposite But what further arguments were used—that the tenet". casi 011ie
side- of the House who had spoken upon it—that when testantism were unknown for a long period to thethey hese
the Legislature was going to decide whether a great people of Ireland ; but during ten generations of men
an rer
institution ought or ought riot to be maintained, the remained the same. Yet, notwithstanding ScriPtute re r 6
first thing to inquire into was, whether it were a good or a bail son were un their side—they had, he repeated, criPtdeotitetes
institution. His own opinion was, that the Irish Church was
a bad institution—that it was a very bad institution.—(Hear, sanurn(i, and
oppressed( wealth
pa
en
odpi powere.
Tnhne their
Catholics side, o voefr
la
re
lnaked'an ic. et:;.
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hear.) That was his deliberate opinion, long entertained, merely lukewarm Catholics—not Catholics merelistlot 014
confirmed by much observation anti reflection, and an opinion Was there any country in Europe in which the Proteto oiottitei
he thought he could support by most unanswerable arguments. existed, in which Roman Ca. tholio doctrines were so;;Peos
gl-to,
He was not now speaking rhetorically, or with exaggeration, nor aod so generally held as in Ireland? After 300 •1 eessstae
did he intend, nor was it his wish to-e,xcite any angry feelings, could boast of little] more than an array of bishoPfaa of
Char
but it was his deliberate opinion, that of all institutions exist- and rectors. But this was the natural conseedepa Chao' a
ing in the civilised world, the Established Church in Ireland policy which. they Pursued—it flowed from treating await -the
was the most utterly absurd and indefensible—( Cheers)—and as the mere machinery of Government, to perform it.a tOO 4,
he wished for no better proof of that than the course which had attain its. end. without being either loved or hated-- Jliae In%
been always taken by its advocates—by the course which had same principle as the army, or the navy, or the P° awe's
been taken by its advocates that night.--( Hear, hear.) Hewhich was to work on in the same maneer,
would only ask any Gentleman if he had ' ever hoard- The in ' • eked, 16"
hated. - yeomanry Manchester were dist ee
any person argue the question on its merits.—(H continued• ' ' 1' a— ille`- .
ear, their operations, dispersed the popu aaet_ , for , itt
hear.) He had heard, indeed, of theof • ohithertot thaeola
articles thdir end. What did they do in Ireland? Thy thewsh
,ought not to be violated. Well, hostile Church on a conquered country. They the • union which poste stet •
but there were articles of the union suite as important as the the same manner as their garrisons. Garrisons werteertit it fierets
article relating to the Established Church—those which re- It did not matter whether they were loved or hated, °sell° et
gulated the relative number of Members which were to sit in not so with the Church. The Church attempted to Peracere.aoh,
that House as Irish Members. But those articles had been but it failed. He must observe that parochial clergy
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altered by that House, and upon the motion toe of the Noble the fittest for making converts. The Church. of Etthli ottit
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