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London, England, 1827-02-20 00:00:00

ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE.

Mr. HUME, on the proposal of 13,3291. 3s. id.
for the Royal Military College, observed, that from the Estimates
it appeared that there was a charge for 216 cadets. fie wished
to know how many of these cadets had been appointed to com-
missions ?

Lord PALMERSTON replied, that sixteen cadets
had been appointed without purchase, anti that twenty-two had
been appointed by purchase.
Mr. HUME, then it appears that the country is
saddled with a charge of 14,2291. 3s. Id. for the supply of thirty-
eight cadets to the arms-.
Sir H. HARDINGE said, that the number of
military students was more than threefold the number who ob-
tained situations from the College. The fact was, that those who
were appointed from the College underwent a very severe exa-
mination, as a test of superior qualification. Those who did not
obtain situations from the College, had all the facility which their
family resources may give them to obtain commissions, and the
service was benefited by the advantages of the education which
they received at the Military College.
Sir ALEXANDER HOPE supported the opi-
nion of the Gallant Officer (Sir H. Hardinge) as to the fact of
the students at the Royal College being subjected to the ordeal of a
severe examination, and of more officers receiving the advantages
of an education useful to the service, than obtained 'commissions
through their connexion with the Royal Military College. The
benefits arising from the Military College were not confined to
the mere annual appointment of thirty-eight or forty officers.
The education which officers of the army received was found to
be extensively beneficial. Many officers who had been educated
there, and who were afterwards scattered in different parts of the
world, took surveys of the places in which they had been, and
supplied, in this and in other ways, a variety of valuable infor-
mation. It seemed as if those who objected to this grant were
disposed to fix the proportion of ignorance rather than of know-
ledge that ought to prevail in the army, and to measure its value
not by its improvement, but by its deterioration—(Hear.)
Mr. HUME admitted that the officers of the army
ought to be well educated, but not at the expense of the public.
Lora PALMERSTON produced a return of the
Number of Students admitted into the ,Military College, sine its
first establishment in 1802. The total number was 2928, of
which 1320 had received commissions in the King's Service, and
120 in that of the East India Company. The defence furnished
by his Hon. 'and Gallant Friend (Sir A. Hope), rendered it need-
less for him to say another word regarding the great public utility
of the establishment.

Mr. MONCK observed, that the only question was,
whether the education of these young men ought to be paid for out
of the taxes ; ought the people to be taxed for the
,purpose of
teaching those who would he quite as well, if not better, taught
at the expence of their friends and relations ? Why was it neces-
sary for the country to educate its officers, more than its phy.
sicians, its lawyers, or its divines ?
Sir.. A. HOPE said, that after parents had, at the
call of the public, devoted their offspring to a severe and hazard-
ous profession, they had a right to expect that the public should
sustain the charges ;If ter education.

Mr. HUME disapproved so highly of this exor-
bitant grant, that he should move as an amendment, that the sum
of 0,000/. should be substituted for that of 13,000/., and he hoped
that in another year the charge would be got rid of altogether.
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
For the Amendment 29 Against it 107—Majority 78
The original resolution was then put, and agreed to.
The next resolution, that the sum of 36,2%1. ls. 71 he
granted for defraying the expense of garrisons in Great Britain
and Ireland, having been read,
Mr. HUME objected, that in several of them—as,
for instance, la Hull and Fort William—there was neither a
soldier nor a gun, still they had a governor and a deputy-governor.
Lord PALMERSTON had hoped that this esti-
mate would have given the Hon. Member for Aberdeen satisfac-
tion, as it was less than the charge for the same branch in 1792.
The resolution was then agreed to.

The resolution that the sum of 118,0001. should be granted
for the half-pay of retired officers, was then read, and agreed to.
The resolution that the sum of 770,014/. 12s. 6d. should be
granted for the half-pay and allowances of retired officers having
been read.
Mr. HUME Wished to know if any of these retired
officers had died off, as he perceived that this charge, instead of
diminishing, went on increasing.
Lord PALMERSTON observed, that it had been
increased 11,0001. by casualties, and it had also been increased
by a transfer of certain charges properly belonging to the Manioc
and Ordnance Departments.
Mr. HUIVIE thought these transfers extremely
wrong, and calculated to produce great confusion.
Sir H. HARDINGE said, that the plan of mak-

ing this transfer was adopted in 1823, and that he himself had
at that period mentioned it to the Hon. Member for Aberdeen,
who approved highly of it.
Mr. HUME had no recollection of having ex-
pressed his approbation of this transfer.
The resolution was then agreed to.

The resolution that 104,1001. be granted for defraying the fo-
reign half-pay for 1827 having been read,
Mr. HUME wished to know if any of these officers
had been allowed to sell their half-pay.
Lord PALIVIERSTON replied, that as, in case of
a sale, the officer selling was only allowed to receive two-thirds of
the purchase-money, and the other third was applied to the ser-
vice of the public, a sufficient inducement had not been held out
to officers to sell, and consequently not many had availed them-
selves of this privilege.
Mr. HUME was surprised to hear the Noble Lord
represent these sales as being advantageous to the public ; the
country might indeed receive a small part of the purchase-monev,
but it was burdened with the payment of an annuity for a young
life instead of an old one.

Colonel DAVIES thought that some little deduction
might have been expected in thin estimate by deaths and other
casualties, from what it was four years ago, whereas it had actually
increased.

Lord PALMER STOP' referred to the half-pay
estimates, and contended that a reduction had taken place.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
The Resolution that the sum of 48,326/. 4s. 9d. he granted
for the in-pensioners of Chelsea and Kilmainham Hospitals having
been read,

Mr. iiliME said, that this estimate had for several
years last past gone on increasing. •
Lord PALIVIERSTON admitted that the charge
for the out-pensioners had increased, but it was to be expected
that after a war like that in which we had ben engaged, there
must be numerous claimants on the retired allowance. If any
one would take the trouble of examining the classes of pensioners
where the greatest increase had taken place, he would find that it
was in the highest class, which was composed of the most meri-
torious individuals.

Mr. HUME contended that soldiers were fre-
quently placed on the retired list through improper motives, or
the mere whim of the commanding officer.
Sir ALEXANDER HOPE and Sir HUSSEY
VIVIAN each of them declared that this could not take place,
and that men were rather kept too long thin discharged too soon.
The resolution was then agreed to ; as also the resolution that
the sum of 1,812,917/. 10s. lid. he granted for the out-pen-
sioners of Chelsea Hospital.
The resolution that the sum of 28,0461. 17s. be granted for
the Royal Military Asylum, having been read,
Mr. HUME said, he never allowed this grant to
pass without objection, and he thought it somewhat inconsistent
in Government to press a charge of this nature, whilst they were
expressing themselves most anxious to get rid of our superfluous
population.

Lord PALMERSTON contended, that if pa-
rents were employed by the public in foreign service, and died
abroad in such service, their orphan children had a claim on the
counStir.
ry
ALEXANDER HOPE observed, that 1,000
orphans were provided for at an expence of only 58,000/.
Sir H. HARDINGE said, that when Hon. Mem-
bers considered the state of the army, not in England, but in the
colonies ; when they considered the great mortality in those parts;
that out of 2,700 men in Jamaica, 000 died in a single year ; they
could not thinli that a stronger claim could exist on the generosity
and humanity of the House..—(llear.)
Mr. HUME thought that the humanity of the
House might be directed to a different quarter.
This resolution was'agreed to. -
The next resolution weldor 135,86132. for pensions to the widows
of officers of his Majesty's land forces.

Mr. MONCK repeated his objections to thegrow-
ing charge under this 'head. The expence of one regiment in
England equalled that of two in France.
Lord PALMERSTON observed, that the French
army might be twice as cheap as ours; but, although in time of
peace, it was an invidious topic, yet he might remark that in the
war some difference hid appeared between the.two armies.
After some further remarks from Mr. Monx, and an Hon.
Member, whose name we could not learn, the resolution was
agreed to.

The next resolution was 'for 193,0631. for the compassionate
list, allowances for his Majesty's bounty, and pensions to officers
for wounds.

HIEVIE inquired what regulations had passed
respecting these pensions ?
Lord PALMERSTON .said that the applicants
were referred to the Medical Board, and a certificate was required
as to where the officer received his wound. No partiality existed,
however, and he (Lord Palmerston) suffered no consideration (not
even eminent services) to influence his mind ; the question with
him was, whether the officer had a claim or not.—( Hear. )
The resolution was agreed to.

The next was for 54,198!. for allowances, compensations, and
emoluments in the nature of superannuation or retired allowances,
which was agreed to.
The next was for 38,000/. for Exchequer fees, upon issues for
army services ; agreed to.
The House then resumed.

The order of the day for the adjourned debate respecting the
Mallow election, on the motion for enlarging the time for entering
into recognizances, was then read.
After a few words from Mr. Wynn, the motion for further time
trls negatived, and the order for considering the petition was
discharged. _

Sir- A. GRANT brought up the report of, the
Committee of Supply.
After the resolution had been gone through in the Howe,
the Committee of Ways and Means was appointed for Wednesday
next.

Mr. DAVIES GILBERT moved for leave to
bring in a bill to extend the provisions of 55 Geo. 111., c. 192,
for disposing of copvhold property by will, to other species of
property similarly circnmstanced.—Granteil.
Mr. Alderman WOOD moved for the following
accounts

An account of the number of barrels of strong, table, and inter-
mediate beer, chargeable to the excise, between the sth of July,
Ism and the sth of January, 1827.
An account of the number of barrel. of the same exported, for
the Flame period.
An account of the number of brewers and licensed victuallers.
An account of the number of bushels of malt which have paid
duty to the exci.e, between the 4tb of July, 1826, and the sth of
January, 1827.

An account of the quantity- of foreign spirits imported in three
years, ending 1827.

Mr. HERRIES postponed the motion of the
Master of the Roils, for leave to bring in a bill for the regulation
of the Court of Chancery (fixed for to-morrow), till to-morrow
se'nnight.—The House then adjourned at half-past eleven o'clock.

NAVAL DISCIPLINE.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUS.

Ste—At a time when it is insinuated that the severity of dis-
eipline induces a disinclination in seamen to enter into the naval
service, you may probably deem the following extract from a letter,
dated on board his Majesty's ship Philonzel, in November last, at
Malta, not unworthy of insertion in your columns, not only in
justice to the Officers named, but as proving that strictness of dis-
cipline is not at all incompatible with the regard and affection of
a ship's company :
We had yesterday the pain of losing our valued Commander,
Lord William Paget, whose promotion to Post rank occasions his
return to England ; but it afforded to us, acutely as we must all
feel that loss, no small degree of consolation to witness the heart-
felt burst of true and honest affection with which his Lordship
was cheered by Officers and ship's company on taking leave ; and
never, I am persuaded, was a man more truly beloved, nor ever
were feelings of stronger regret evinced by a ship's company, on
parting with their Commander, than were by ours towards Lord
William, who has carried with him the most fervent wishes for
his health anti happiness. Nor was our First Lieutenant Witham,
who, although, as you know, is what we technically term a taught
Officer, anti who was invalided, and left us at the same time, much
less regretted than his Lordship. Such is ever the result of proper
discipline, when tempered by kindness of manner and well-regu-
lated indulgence. " J. B."

NATIONAL I‘IO;,ZUMENT TO THE MEMORY OF THE
LATE DUKE OF YORK, &c.
THE PUBLIC MEETING in Aid of the above
Object will he held at the Freemasons' Tavern, Great
Queen-street, on MONDAY, 26th inst. ; on which occasion
His Grace the Duke of WELLINGTON will take the Chair,
punctually at One.

FRED. MAITLAND, Gen. Hon. Sec.
Committee Rooms, Royal Union Office,
Lancaster-place, Feb. 16.

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THIS DAY.

1. Mr. Wilmot Horten—Bill to enable the King to authorize the aliens.
tion of a part of the Clergy Reserves in Upper Canada.
2. Mr. Brownlow—Copies of Correspondence which passed between the
Irish Government and the Magistrates of Lisburn, and Its vicinity,
relating to Orange Parades on the 12th July, 1825 :—Also, Copies of
the Opinions of the Law Officers of the Crown in Ireland which
were laid before the Magistrates respecting Processions.
3. Mr. Hume—Returns of the number of Officers of the Army on Full
and on Half:pay ; also, the number of first Commissions, and of
Promotions, in the last year, in the Army.
4. Mr. Bransby Cooper—Resolution against adding " Voices" to Com-
mittees on Private Bills.
5. Mr. Hume—Regulations adopted in Canada respecting the granting
of lands.

ORDERS OF THE DAY FOR THIS DAY.
1. Kilkenny City Election Petition—Ballot for Committee at three.
2. Coventry Election Petition—Ballot for Committee at half after three.
3. Supply—Report.

NOTICES GIVEN YESTERDAY.
Wednesday, Feb. 21.
1. Mr. James Grattan—Petition from the Catholic Bishops in Ireland
on the subject of Education.
2. Mr. James Grattan—Return of the Parishes and Counties, with the
names of landlords from whose estates the Irish emigrants were
taken in the years 1823 and 1825.
3. Mr. Jonathan Peel—Return of the number of men from the last
monthly Return of each regiment to make them effective.
Thursday, Feb. 22.
1. Sir James Graham—To present two Petitions relating to the intro..
duction of the Military into Carlisle during the last Election.
2. Mr. Fynes Clinton—To discharge the Order for consideration of the
Hedon Election Petition.

Tuesday, Feb. 27,

The Master of the Rolls—Bill for the regulation of the Court of
Chancery.

Wednesday, Feb. 28.
Mr. Villiers Stuart—Papers connected with the Appointment of a re-
sident Stipendiary Magistrate, under the Constabulary Act, of the
District of Kilraacthomas, in the County of Waterford; viz. the
Certificate of the Magistrates to apply for, and the Memorial of the
County against, that Appointment.
Tuesday, March 6.
Sir John Newport—To bring under view of the House the state of the
law for rebuilding and repairing Churches in Ireland.

' MAILS.
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O Brazil 1 0 Hamburgh 5
O Buenos Ayres
O Donaghadee 0 0 Jamaica 0
O Dublin
O Flanders 0 0 Lisbon 1
1 France
O Gottenburgh 1 0 Waterford 1

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