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which never came across tbeir minds till within the 10.,
few years--a notion which arose during a long series es
misfakee and ttlitigovernment, (I have ro wish 0
?*fie the Word offensively) its the conduct of that inthapff
, country, eel which, if I were to go into, might sloes!
thoie feelings in cite !forme which were raised to a coroy
cleokble degree, when I adv'entei to the cireurnetancee before,
It must 7te admitted that the Catholic religion was as IP'
tolerant as ever, and the power exercised by the Priests net
in the least shaken. The. Noble Marquis who *poll'
left hail compared the Romen Catholie religion with that
of the Prethytetien, I will not enter into the difference, bet
merely assert that they .rerrrrot by any possibility bear*
comparison. I will merely stat. whet I consider owe'
sere in justification of my vote; bdt if the mewl°
passes iftto is law, which in all probability it wily
I will de all in very power to inculcate obedience, 00
hope it will peoie for the good of the country. It is ne
my intentiotr to enter into a long discussion on the religioue
points bearing co this question ; but I must oils
there Was econethiog to be expected from a Christian
Government, from a duty it owes, to the Protestant estn-
bliehment to propose some security, but this is a subject
on which em much might be said on both sides, that I ars
furtive: to meter into it.—(Dear, hear.)---'
Much has been stld abont the clergy having ie
etteingly expressed their opinions, I feel it my duty to elate,
that those opinions were not given from any want
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Cbrist;an charity, but entirely out of zeal her their relic
gion. The Noble Mattinis had said that instead of nod'
tiling with polities, it would be better if they paid moo
attention to their flocks. Now I toOtst tell the Noble Ltd
that he does riot know what he has beer talking about.-'.
What, my Lords, have said has been in joetif'eation of the
vote I feel it toy duty to give against this meestiret
and not to raise np any tanneeesitary oppotitit
It gives roe great pain to differ with foal Noble Lew'
*hose opinions I so greatly respect. a entertain tea
greatest friendship arid esteem for the Members of 1;7,
Majesty's Ministry', and I can place the most trielirtaifeue
confidence in the Noble Duke at the head of it, to whom A
owe el debt of gratitude which I nerer can repay ; to Min
I owe the high situation I have the honour to fill in ths
Church ; and if this measure Roses into a law, which
have no doubt it will, I shall feel it my duty to imi
press upon the Clergy of my diocese a cheerful acquiescerta9 '
and by so doing, I feel convinced that they will incred
their strength; but if we find that the prevent measure
should give the Catholics an advantage over us, I shag
look with confidence to Ministers to increase oet
means of doing good by providing pieces of worobiT•
I must say that it is not without some fear that I look it"
the consequences of this Bill, although at the same time 1
do not feel any alarm for the ultimate welfare of the Pre"
testant Church. If there is a struggle to take place 1"4
us do our duty, and there is nothing to fear.—(Hear.7
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE explained.
The Marquis of SALISBURY said that when he had
the honour to move the Address to his Majesty, ift
answer to his most gracious speech, he was hilly *mate
that some great change was shout to take place, hot he
never fur a moment supposed that it would be done with-
out good securities to the Protestant Constitution. The ore"
sent Bill was totally devoid-of any security, and the more
he considered it the more he was convinced of
its danger. No set of men ought to possess political power
in greater proportion than they possessed interest in the
welfare of the State. The Noble Duke and his Majesty".
Government seemed determined to give them'every think
—(Hear.) The Roman Catholics' first and only motive,
was to increase their power, and he was firmly centime'
that it would he impossible to devise any oath that would
effectually secure the interests of the Protestant Reli-
gion. He was surprised that any person cord
think that this measure could be carried without is
good and sufficient security. Government ought long *V.
to have resorted to measures which'would have relieve'
them from their present aukward dilemma; with respect le,
the political principle.: of the Bill, he saw nothing to
the present state of Ireland which justified the measereo
Was it in the vote of the House of Commons that their
Lordships thought this Bill might to be carried. if
it was, he would refer them to the speech of one
Member who was favourable to the measure, on the
ground that it was the first step to the Subversion of the
Established Church. He (the Marquis of Salisbttry) *es
of the same opinion as a late Member of the leoWer.
Homo, but who had a seat in that, if 60 or 70 Catholic
Members were admitted they would upset the Protestant
establishment. He therefore would net agree to al-
sure, which had been justly styled the death-warrant
of the Constitution. He had strictly waited -hire •
self to the danger that he entertained from tire
measure. He was unwilling to withdraw 1 his
confidence from Ministers. He placed greatest reliance on
the Noble Duke, but he must oppose the present
Lord WICKLOW had heard the opening speech of
the Noble Duke with much eatisifaetion ; he was Ow
happy to hear the testimony given in favour of it by the
Noble Marquis (Anglesea), who had so good an opportunity
of judging of the real state of Ireland. The subject
had been viewed in a large and liberal light by Noble
Lords who had preceded him, he would therefore notice
it in a point in which it had not been viewed,' 1G would
call their Lordships' attention to the conditions of the Coo-
thelics of this country, and would ask what had bean their.,
c ount
they
d uc o
were T e y k certainlyuuw u
l); were
their
proudnot known
r as
high rank in the peerage, by their leatning, their
wealth, and their talents, and he would positively ICI
that the country owed them a large debt of gratitude,.
from their temperate deportment and uniform good coo'
bhei
bagitators,,
duct. It was the same now that it had been in former tines
bearing, y
Let their Lordships look back to the conduct of Catholic.
during the reign of Queen Elizabeth, when this countri
seam invaded by the Roman Catholic powers of Europe:,
by whom were they met? The Catholic suliects
Queen Elizabeth fitted out ships at their own expencee
and raised regiments which were placed under Protestant
Commanders, this was one proof of Catholic fidelity to
Protestant Crown. Some allusion bad been made during
the debate to the Coronation Oath, particularly to that
part binding his Majesty to preserve the Protestaxv As"
cendancy ; he, Lord Wicklow, did not consider it was *oily'
perative as some Noble Lords seemed to think, but if it Were:
so, in the greatest degree he should consider it to be
violation of his oath if he did not support tbi''
Bill, as he conceived it was celenlated to strengthen
the Protestant religion.—(Hear, hear. )--He had heard
great deal on the subject of petitions, and he thought
they did honour to the honest prejudices of the
people of England, it showed their love of religions
and truth ; but at the same time he must deprecate the
means resorted to for getting up those petitions. The
vilest placards had been circulated for the purpose of ex-
citing people against the measure of granting the petitioners
the fullest meaeure of sincerity, he conceived that was
reason fur believing that their opposition would he with
drawn when the principle of the Bill should be
rightly understood. He was aware that some Noble
Lords were expected to oppose the measure on the ground
of what was called consistency, but he thought that al-
lowance should be made for the change of circumstances.
He concluded by giving his support to the measure:
Earl ENNISKILLEN opposed the measure amidst loud
cries of adjourn, and go on.
The Duke of ATHOL said that he •had been fifty
years in that House, and he had known their
Lordships sit to a much later hour in the discussion ef
important questions.
The Earl of ELDON, in a very low tone of voice, re-
posed an adjournment.
Lord TENTERDEN said that the question was, whe-
ther or not their Lordships should go on with the discus"
tion of such vast importance and come to a conclusion in
in exhausted state, or whether they ought to ailioarn.--,
(Loud cries of adjourn.)
Their Lordships adjourned shortly after ONE
O'CLOCK.

BIRTHS.
On the 29th ult., in York-terrace, Regent's Park, the
lads• of Philip Ripley, Esq., of a daughter.
On the let iustant, in Finsbury-circus, the lady of Jag,
Weston, Esq., of a daughter.
On the 30th ult., the lady of the Hon. Edvrard Stafford
Jerningham, of a daughter.
MARRI ED.

On the 2d instant, at St. Michael's, Crooked-lane, Mr.
Schen Elwin, of Eldon-street, Finsbury, to Elisabeth, the
second daughter of Mr. W.Matlaews.

DIED.

On the 2d inst. at Woodford, John Popplewell, Et=q•
in the 73d year of his age.
At his house, Denzil-street, Dublin, George Thormott
Esq. many )cars barrack master of the Dublin vicinity.
Oil the 29th nit., at his house in Foley-place, Dr. Ed-
ward Ash, F.R.S., ned 65.
On the 2d instant, Mel Ann Gill, eldest daughter of
Mr. John Gill, of Grove-street, Hackney.
On the Ist instant, after a long and severe iilnese, aged
31•, Mary, the wife of Mr. Goren, of Orchard-wreet, Port-
man-square,' solicitor.
On the 30th ult., aged I£4, Agatha Frances, da•ighter of
Mi. A. H. Riv,oi, Stoke Newington.
(in the 30th ult., at the Grove, Blackheath, Mrs.
Wheatley, aged 72.

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