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Oman; and if "any party objected to the constitution of a
tee, he should take that objection when the Committee
was being formed, and not after it had been constituted.
Sir 11.-11. INGLIS said that his Noble Friend appeared to
saisapprehend the object for which the Committee had been
instituted. The object of the Committee was to inquire into
certain alleged corrupt transactions to which Mr. Walter was
said to be a party. Mr. Walter was, therefore, a party not
sat interested but accused. It was stated that that was not
the proper occasion for objecting to the manner in which the
Committee had been constituted ; but Mr. Walter had not had
an opportunity of objecting when it had been originally farmed.
The SPEAKER was about to put the question, when
Captain POLHILL rose, and said he was much obliged to
the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath for the suggestion
which he had thrown out, but it was in the power of Mr.
Walter, if he chose, to petition the House for the removal of
the Chairman. In order to enable him to do so, he begged to
move, that, i,:stead of to-morrow, the next day should be ap-
pointed for his attendance, in order to give him time to peti-
tion the House.
The SPEAKER was again about to put the question, when
Captain POLHILL again rose, and submitted that he had
Power to move an amendment.—( Cries of " Chair, char.")
The SPEAKER said it had already been decided that Mr.
Walter should attend at eleven o'clock to-morrow.—( Hear. )
Tl►e original division. ~
question was then put, and carried without a
Mr. Walter having been called to the bar,
he SPEAKER (addressing him) said Mr. Walter, I
have to inform you that the House has come to the following
blsesolution :--That. Mr. Walter do attend and give evidence
efore the Election Proceedings 'Committee to-morrow, at
ven o'clock. You may withdraw.
Mr. Walter then withdrew from the bar.
~, M. ROEBUCK then brought up a Report from the Select
m-(Plinaittee on Election Proceedings, stating that the Com-
Vitee, having proceeded to the consideration of the matters
erred to them, had thought it necessary to address a letter to
Or- Alexander Cochrane, Mmbr for Bridport, rquesting
11'n t) attend the Committeee one Wecinesdly next,e the 29th
~„41,targ, at eleven o'clock, and to bring with him all papers
documents relating to the last election for the borough of
ridP"rt. To that letter the following answer had been re-
ceived hy the Chairman Sir,—l beg to acknow'edge the
receipt of the letter which you have communicated to me from
t„e Select Committee on Election Proceedings, requesting me
b;.aPPear before them on Wednesday. the 29th instant, and to
relative to the last election for the borough of Bridport.
b laving bestowed the fullest consideration on the matter. I
Mo,t respectfully to decline to comply with the request."
le letter was signed Alexander Cochrane. The Committee
attl thought it necessary to refer the motion to the House, in
„ er that they might take such steps as they thought fit.—
‘,aughter )
lltlr, ROEBUCK then gave notice, that in obedience to the
,N:est of the Committee, he would move to-morrow, that Mr.
\-.o.4hrane do attend the Committee the next morning.
th I". G. W. WOOD suggested that the motion should be
atthec„lion. Member do appear in his place.
thool. of BTH ORP gave notice that when the question came
for discussion, he should take the sense of the House, that
liaid Committee be discharged.— (Hear, and laughter.)
132' RGEEttiCK gave notice that to-morrow he would move,
instruction to the Committee, that has no Member of that
zeetzicteopbt
esuperhesaesntw. ere Members of the Committee, should
°ll th
CUSTOMS BILL.
e motion of Sir R. PEEL the Order of the Day for
lihird reading of the Customs Bill was read.
ram'. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from thirty-one
Ot LlKet gardeners, praying (as we understood) for a reduction
utY .11 foreign onion seeds.

COALS.
tia,- • J. JERVIS said that he believed now was the proper
e for moving the insertion of a clause in the Bill. '1 he
'rica,tse was the mme in substance as that of which he had given
ettee as a resolution to be adopted on the bringing up of the
va.sert.
' He trusted the House would bear with a few obser-
tio`rras from him upon the matter. The object of his applica-
shist!aa to prevent an additional tax being placed on steam.
ietVilig, which would go to paralyse the rapid spread cf that
the ',!tt, and he proposed to do that by engrafting a proviso in
esalluill to authorise her Majesty's Treasury to allow on all
coalb°lso fide consumed in steam vessels a drawback
see'n-ttlensurate with the duty paid. It would be unjust if the
ee„,r2lr,3' were to derive anadvantage from contracts which would
Th:l. °are been made if such a duty was imposed on coal.
peieffeet of imposing a duty on coals used in steam-vessels
out ad be to prevent long-voyage steam-vessels fi om carrying
Wokiip,MC,ent supply, and the result of that would be that they
tos ship their coals at foreign stations. Many of the long-
rtsge steam-packets were at present in almost a state of bank-
det,,q- and their difficulties would be increased by the additional
too.; on coals. The Government ought to afford facilities to
l,eg ob steam-vessels, or he was afraid they would ut an end to
steam navigation altogether. The Steam Navigation
fretnpan presented a memorial to the Government, praying
04reduceon of the duty on coal, but the reply was that the
14 trritnent could not consent to it. He considered that it
the
e° "'Rally impolitic to fetter the steam-shipping interest of
hitt iuntry, when it was possible to relax it. His clause was,
Ns t was expedient that a drawback should be allowed for
Res' exported, on proof that they were intended for the use of
ts-", P-vessels on their homeward voyage such proof to be given
Z satisfaction of the Lords of the, Treasury, and that the
sleZ3of the Treasury themselves should decide what that proof
eti' be. He apprehended, therefore, that there could be no
tit:tell% to the machinery of his clause. It was alleged
140_ steam-vessels
.would receive . additional employment
sioniTh the bperation of the tariff , but that promise
Itseednot be realised, because sailing-vessels would have the
le ;Z. of the increased importation, while steam-vessels would
kriect to the additional duty upon coals.
I.eal WALLACE supported the proposal of the Hon. and
tse'hed Gentleman. He thought it was a perfectly reasonable
Me; arld that the Government should have no hesitation in
it.
lee st CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he
Sr ti'l'eesulted the officers of the Custom-house on the subject
but the_ Proposal made by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman,
the,e had shown him that, it it were adopted, it would open
earti.Y to frauds against which it would be impossible to
e That was one of the circumstances which induced the
lhieVietent to reduce the duty. He trusted that the House
tlfe t°rerur in this opinion, that it was inexpedient to adopt
kit.solution of the Hon. Member.
eatsllt-TAIE said that steam navigation was an object of the
ie co st,leaportance to the country. It bad done much for
dhd ; the country had done nothing for it. In France
eesruul they voted money for steam navigation ; here it
secsa„- receive any encouragement. He thought that an
*ith -aisset ought to be made, because it could be calculated
'(11 eiost perfect accuracy what amount of'coals was used.
of tieetfre hear.) He hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would
l't;aati„lseir bands for the sake sf such a trifle as five thousand
see 0,;,, out that he would trust to the certificates given in by
S
f C.
hstr ltin NAPIER perfectly agreed with the Hon. Member
Zarl -114
°,e; who had used all the arguments he had intended
suers
", e knew how difficult it was for steam proprietors
lesser their money. The only company thriving was the
their Steam Navigation they were paying good interest
"salee Money, but he doubted, if they calculated the whole
The',;(iif their vessels, they would deem it prudent to do so.
i_ktek4l44(l seen most laudable exertions on the part of several
t°lllpanies to extend steam navigation across the At-
s'c'eu'esSrld. to distant chores, and the Chancellor of the Ex-
-trth Was doing all he could to put a stop to such praise-
sagctiod tkieetY exertions by placing an additional duty on coals. He
t° the duty, and trusted it would not meet with the
4llrf the-House.
'Vs s "'• ATT WOOD supported the proposal for exempting
Alsset! in steam-vessels from the duty.
the teIsADSTONE stated the main grounds on which
:t;°,4ls:sterurnent refused to accede to the proposal of the Non.
:gereerli ed Gentleman. The Government had maturely con-
slels hone subject, and had come to the conclusion that frauds
;nth be guarded against if the drawback were allowed.
atttss 0-Ptiteet to a drawback—in what way could the proprie-
-4%4 steam-boats be prevented from purchasing cheap coal
4,411,5, and obtag the drawback upon it on their return as
'toe '4411 Coal which had paid the duty? The loss which the
I:tester:ll'sot would incur by this and other frauds would
4411'4 counterbalance any advantage to the public from the
t44.l,ererice in the expense of steam navigation.
au ar ••AI. sToin;r supported the proposition of the
4!tr.s
ire, ber for efiister.. It would confer a great boon on
ys* ?-.eipis team7navigation of the country
ef the EEL said, the Hon. Gentleman. had stated his
tit,
n'the at the Government was disposed to grant a relaxation.
ksll. it
~,theY came to a decision unfavourable to the propt:ei-
-I,:ousabia., the decision of a Government disposed to regard it
tiee therefore, the presumption would be tha.t they
k pas vl"ced of the great danger of fraud. He considered
"tle 'etent of drawbacks one of the worst uses of public
4143; _
sr se ght Hon. Baronet ere read a commni-
Ito-, tris,o-4°,11 thleShipowners' Society,h signed by Mr. Wolveurley
showingh
th old b'
that the amount of the drawback to them
Ott, tit.uut 5,000/., even at the 4s. duty. What, then, were
04this duck of the great losses which, it was said, the imposition
3' would inflict on the owners steam-ve.ssels
torfilitierr,:itottheeGAseeel.n.dtrlseamiw,hEaanwnhkAsad said that he could f
not see his way
—RT—No ; I said the Government
eass, p
.5 way.—( Laughter. )
ese'ra that 14,%"•••:-1 he Hon. Member for Montrose had pro-
es vessel,
e e should be an estimate taken of the tonnage of
she
eel's 'el, and that every vessel consuming one ton and a half
was Per hour should have a right to claim 3s. fir every hour
her passage, which would amount to 31. 12s. per
11.tvls 115`5,0,vessel were on her passage fooor 100 days, she
freeiettt.a. right to claim upwards of 3 1. from h
ti.illlvi—Suppose she was to go to the moon.
PutPsee•L The Hon. Gentleman's answer to the case
of
Passagel,;. of 100 days, was—suppose she went to the
was the first time the Hon. Gentleman had ever
the S" Poetic fancies.
Atlaul`r: '))sloes—lt takes but fifteen days to steam across
/I.etit,c.,
(tithe va t'EL would take the medium between fifteen days
tsZllA.literlage to the moor,, and make it one hundred days—
tifeu n )e-sand let them look at what an expense that would
t befoere9'e Government. He hoped the House would hesi-
setsete fr It grhanted a drawback on coal consumed at a g Seat
twer°ll' ome. The most experienced officers of the re•
hee), e of opinion it would not be safe to grant such a
,stostanet.'"u9N thought the Government were dealing, in
With the nicety of the Custom-house.--( Hear.)
steresteei likely that the two great companies, which were
Nbe Worth matter, would commit any frauds. It would
tie the sill their while.—(Hear, hear.) The quantity of
logs and t c
h°nsumed might be easily calculated by means of
ktde
kopositi
ght to beabove who it were supposed would be guilty of
jER
vi,, suspicion.
-s replied. He would only beg to observe that
TrFagsvoski ,°,l of the lion. Member for Montrose was not his.
leave the matter entirely in the hands of the
The
ter
then divided, when there appeared—
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clause
Against it*
si,m oar sesad I. against the clause
te;e. GLAti admission to the gallery we found—
S 1 ONE on his legs, proposing a clause for ex-
Setia l_hea.roeisions of the Act of George IV., as far as re-
t7tß r th' hirig returns of the average prices of Muscovado
islotiitir.er.re,,,tkpriiototuuceacsitofintdhie,esßanrdititshhe
AWlfustritlinnds.ies, to sugars the
)res,
einterfere lE. RE thought the operation of the clause
t~econfusion with the averages, and might thus
:atfter be' nssrt and error in any comparisons that might
Lure lears I uted between the average prices of former and
IIA ItlNGea again.
t4Attle' S(31101-11Altiji bSeTr°Nd Er i!Ollght it would be satisfactory that the
htesl4 t° the genewr as of opinion that there could be no ob-
al average which the Hon. Gentleman pro-
age w,ST hat hRTpresumed that the reason of having
kesat,„ !set it might know the quantity consumed.
prn:Zu.ue better for that purpose to split the
f'll,44.tge to tries" by his Right Hon. Friend, than to have
'•l:ti?.hoelealliiro.n:eilewer.u,asstoht:vtifteedgnr;egnaitiea.
second time.
itself into Committee, Mr. Gereez in
<freed to, arid e
4414e!ii",e res.: dare passed through.
hen the clause was read a third time
40 he added to the Bill by way of