The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-10 00:00:00

RAIL

(YESTEIZDAY.)

GROUP A.
cHaTE.a.wx, AND NORTH IT-IgT
(Continue
A d from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
• r, Of t
the South-Eastern hose witnesses expressed strong opinions in preference of
mh-Eastern to the North- Kent line.
Mr
ERRENVETHER then called
Jam..
Biti; foreman to Mr. E. Smith, a paper-maker, at
yar'dt'agobtourne, who stated that the pr.posed line passed within fifty
the factory of his employer. The witness then entered
int:tot:he details of injury likely to be done to Mr. Smith's business
Mrel)3Hing of steam-engines near the mills.
bIALEXANDER then stated the case of Sir John Fagg, who is a
°wn Chiltiara, er at land and called several witnesses to prove that
11 the would be crossed by the proposed line, being already crossed
Ashford and Canterbury.
MEartawaTnaa then went through the case of several
ri7r. Petitioners, and called several witnesses on their behalf.
,voaterluE then addressed the Committee on behalf of Mr.
aalediThlt°o, a landowner and a petitioner, against the Bill, and
tan,,.. several witnesses to prove the value of two fields, the
WouTdrty
Mr. Hamilton, through which the proposed line
alirro„„l),,a, and also to prove the injury which would be done to
Ithich-""ii,g building ground by the embankment of the railway,
mr. would be thirty feet high.
and_ Bovit referred to the case of the inhabitants of Feversham,
(in th`equested that their opposition might be permitted to proceed,
Olin? grotlad that the inhabitants of every place through which
the,:2llas intended to pass had a right to oppose the line, though
itZer,a not landowners.
bad n 4 °ergeant SHEA objected on the ground that the inhabitants
fotandlthtleanat
tohreeorpigpht to oppose the line than the public in general,
osition was got up by the South-Eastern Company,
Th. Purpose of delaying the proceeding,..
Committee decided against hearing the case.
linutie,.,,..lleantwErnEa then opened the case on the part of the
I,criu.i—gstern line, and, on the ground that he was not sufficiently
to ea-rrnted With the intentions of the Croydon Railway Company
then,. / WI a part of his case, Which would be directed against
, Sallwa regnestecl that several charges respecting the atmospheric
oti,ctittYushitotutldonb:oannstwheered by the Croydon Company.
part of the Croydon Railway Company,
• Igrended,t° giving the answers required, but after a short discussion
kr to take time to consider.
the B,;,,WIR.EaftIivrETRER then proceeded with the case on the part of
• afeer47-Eastern Railway Company, and called witnesses to prove
afth g against the Chatham and North Kent line, and in favour
~B°Uth-Eastern line, at NV iolwich, and to prove the supe-
-11/4vot-il` ~ the North Eastern. The- principal objection to the North
• tWoole Was the distance of the intended terminus from the town
with, Which it was said would render it perfectly useless.
iitte;tleonsideration of this part of the case occupied the Corn
P to the hour of adjournment.

1116, GROUP FF.
tritG.TE PIN D NOIT.T7.7I.ETLN LINE.
t. 'Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
h
1.61 the Clen, an another civil engineer, corroborated the testimony
-the -t Witness. He considered the ferry as a great impediment
*ls :are and easy working of the line. The branch to Lochgelly
• iNtedaielY not calculated to accommodate all the coal.fields of
tt
istriet.
;.thietie:frecl‘examination, he said he, had been sent over by the
"7 Company of which he hail the entire management.
tb. e°rge ennie:the civil engineer was well acquainted with
Ititnesses e of the line, and believed the, evidence of the preceding
me. ~, -as Perfectly correct.
Other 7oorge Gunn, a civil engineer and a marine surveyor, and
i• ir,*mit.nesses, gave corroborative testimony.
Zbile iC„itebell, a civil engineer, thought a railway with only a
•Weeil eof way could not accommodate the through traffic be.
i'e• nt Ca, inburgh and Perth. The majority of the through traffic
• Olt \,,..w;a3r of Queensferry, and by way of Burntisland.
."• 4 -`ilanas, mining engineer to the Earl of Zet land, said the
tristri oUld
not accommodate the most important coal.fields of the
ceactLti,,hr°4Bh which it passed. It would certainly pass through
kr, Celda of Fife, but they were of an inferior quality.
'the 6:1'441, a coal proprietor of Cluny, confirmed the testimony
Witness, and the Committee adjourned till to.morrow.

GROUP (AT.
13e I'IISGOW .71X/CCTION
rt,, troatnittee, consisting ef Mr. Evans (Chairman), Mr. ,N,ewde-
. Uuntz, Mr. Miles, and Viscount Grimston, sat this day,
Itedede ~e.,°'clock, in the Sessions-house, Westminster, and pro-
%ter the cross-examination of Mr. Miller, the civil en_
on the above line.
tios "vanes& was severely cross-examined as to the minute de-
-14417 the line, the cost of each item, the quantity of tunnels,
tl/4ce „tt„sh., " viaduct, the particular gradients on the whole die.
444,1" u what particular property would be altogether de.troyed
14itlY injured. The whole was a mere repetition of the evi-
Zit Tite.n by Mr. Miller in his examination in chief during
h'un, iziot'uaY and Friday's proceedings. The cost of construe.
ljr'ittabe calculating damages to property, &c., would be in round
.11 about 75,0001.
Gibb, civil engineer, had been in partnership with his father
icotolni Years, and had now contracted for about 200 miles of
ei.n rai1wa3l and he considered the estimates of this line amply
tapn,:- for its'construction. iven in the estimates. He would accept the works for the
g
,lit
• , kr. Kitchell and Mr. Lyon gave precisely similar evidence.
sll,ll4,lurnnel had not examined the plans and sections, but he
1! 44 ilewyno difficulty in the formation or working of these tunnels,
Lbr kth°nght it was an absurdity to question the safety of them.i
el 4441 h, Governo of the Towns' Hospital, said that ie
Nth Ptssed b
eneath ther hospital through a stratum of sandstone,
' Ohba good conductor of sounds. and he had never beard the
' kr, trains passing through.
4'llt "rnas Leadbetter put in and proved the estimate of damage
land and other property by the railway. The amount
•The ce 6,00 u
"°tnnlittee adjourned at four o'clock.

, . Ito,.
(c 0.,. Wicii A GROUP
tin
PR
AK AT. D 0 N LINE.
li, gunned from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
}'' liall then N,f__ . given of the accuracy of the traffic and distance
okltt
71140a2gIbility of raising the capital by the issue of 10,800
0,1:1:17r technical matters, and the preamble of the Lynn
ratehe oft 4 tik4.ra line through Swaffham was passed.
a e Co,' 14, 4,l'h tiCh authorises the Company to pay interest at the
lit -troed -111ilt -ton the amount of subscription paid up being read,
, 4... on, to et
,1-, ~4 War. COac, regarding the principle of the power objectionable,
'.'
Zl'e t;
to 'ttle it only on the condition tha. if on their repro-
., 'lll CPress.,The House of Commons a concurrent opinion
Nail "'et.t.,7' the Bill should be recommitted. The agents for the
, ell, sti„,_ i rather than be liable to a contingency which would
. 41, 5.4
en
I 'lv *hi, ormous expense, preferred the withdrawal of the
• • illtdletilbthetgelvas accordingly done.
'I, elth,.. el were subsequently discussed, and passed with-
al ea ,
• ktilittp„
a —th then proceeded to the consideration of the
4411 b
k k_ aTTIMEIOROUGH nmeimicH o r
NI ' Sat, 44WXCH AND BnAmmo2a LINE.
Of Itae 'l5l Ear
c.O„ e a tow examined by Mr. GIRDEN—Was some
~ liaabLteya,ceTaber-merchant at Diss, but owing to the difficulty
eeaCv to 00,, 7 the present slow and expensive transit, he was
la:rat biii;!Ps
.Pete with t:ie tradesmen of Ipswich. The price of
hieeleoh; villille 36'' Per ton, 12s. of which is paid for carriage from
• . 11, .... con„ at Yarmouth the cost is materially less, and the
tea,: atr, CO qance proportionably so.
t4v . Toe nbEN
oar e, • , —The meeting was not convened by advertise.
Nject' Ofthe Ploinr, of the inhabitants of Diss is decidedly in
)4, Of the Dins and Attleborough Branch, rather than the
bisa Chapi.'astern Counties Extension.
olej, Setia, in eXaMilled—ls an extensive miller, residing at
the NI t, Clfr SOO
.._ w, en" quarters of wheat and barley per week to Ips.
944,4:4t of a , if not sold, to Liverpool, at a cost of 7s. a quarter.
' tkr-"le qua rapid communication prevents his sending any con.
et 41te nt'tY of flour.
4111/4e441. 0,1
tiger
parino,
the shipping
Last year he paid 1,5081. for the land
shipping subsequently entailing a large in-
' ep,g Of as. P°sed Diss and Attleborough branch would effect
i,rainii;eltrarter in the transit of produce. .
~. -4°_, grain 1,3! A.lr. WHATELEY, Q.C.—From Ipswich to
neat° the pr in,'" thts season of the year is conveyed at Is. a
ttern between Diss and Ipswich is 2s. or 3s. a quarter.
Neon to NonriOß Extension line would not be a readier commit-
,' 'Or aanaraine
‘with than the Diss and Attleborough branch.
11,."!eyin.,:!,0eY Mr. ANDREWS, Q.C.—lt costs him 75. a quarter
talr43llr, enrZ: at, and‘ 6s, for malt, to Liverpool.
N---lhe price of 7s. a quarter is made up by corn.
%.illre4:,taetera
,ki.. - flour.. ge, dues, &c. The average time to Newcastle is two
'lll.. Whaid
lacy, gettin e, eXamined by Mr. GIRDEN—Is an ironmonger at
Ikkap.2hi;2oBtipohlar !es from Birmingham via Ipswich and Tar.
:',”utara "g they had a communication between Diss and
. ki,..-,taer. , the most invaluable accommodation would be afforded
-ie_throt, 1:113 iron is now obtained from Scotland, and reaches
~. elirass,7_ yartnoutit.
1,
to_ u mined by Air W
' t tt,.'s rued . • HATELSY, Q.C.—Now one-fifth of the
tal leas at Dtss is prccured from Ipswich.
11, 41e1 . to the se a •
Ca 1,417; Present
tomorrow a tabular account of the popula_
mrtr
.0 ato_ miles of the towns. It was also announced
' the eY, 2.C., that the opposition of the only resisting
Toe Cota .I i?.1.: and Cambridge line had been withdrawn.
e adjourned at four o'clock.

14175.. GROUP KK
.siltt.
4 ":1014 AND MANCHESTER EXTEN—
SION.
tiv:* Worki
44 . widen --'B. the engineer of the Liverpdoeosi,asntclateDmfaenhcrhoesntesraltiunre._,
b/o Whichee confirmatory of Mr. Lown
At the close of this
'io aPPeared in our paper of that day.
alio,
rkto,kl%rag_e•ant. BELLssis said he appearetdheforlioLe,ordanFdraanlcsios
is the ,I!'t several landowners along
l a Company. The
)4,lve,
ob,'lserpeol and Manchester
ebti44e4tioJ._eettas of the Liverpool and Buryitliailiewwyere to extend corn-
% aets t):'.. etween those towns and that of Button, but the real
Otte ~,tbe.Promoters were, first, to compete with the Man_
,tt,%"`"cl Liverpool Railway, and, secondly, to deprive it of
;tlll:;:4o:_tiotBlltreikgirnegat towns of Yorkshire. He hoped the project.
cl :41 no favour with the Committee, and that the Legislature
so heavy a blow against that
deny
yerthhaet pthae.
4444 e railway system in this country. He did not
ii„. PropZnnunication between Liverpool and the towns at which
4,4,4 4,led line would touch was at present imperfect, and re-
-41- 'ttleie"rnent. He did not deny that there was at prersrehnetua good 04tt,lt.e. bad in the transference of goods, particularly a
asse,t'etiolit the
, Liverpool d Manchester Railway,
' ‘lt ' ^oUld ari
• ble 'communication t a
~ Dr„seet_. propose a far more eligi. which he
than444catit I,`-' by the promoters of this 'Bill. The Learned
L tre4t, era On to say that the witnesses upon the other side
‘4,et., 1 eitaggerated the traffic and passenger communication
fiat
the these
towns, and said he would produce evidence to s .
It:14 ttlife c4leolations upon the other side were utterly e.rroneo
1141,1, int4Ved. in some cases the amount teing
.doubled, in others
4al "Y many indeed, quadrupled, and in not a few cases
tie s nine hound ' 'IN . aid to , having left the !dace where thousands of tons
ft„tiltreio 4 nave been transi.ipped. The line which he proposed
tie 2101 to, v;eatclit, on the Bolton and Preston hie, three miles
on, ha ton,
.. '4,1 join the Manchester and Liverpool line at Newton
It
;for trial to state that this line would be carried
he 't re :141 bY the Manchester and Liverpool Railway,
11etNp0,,,,," Ivith the sanction of Parliament. The 1
e4.ti 41;anould pass through some of the richest coal-
44,-`ing t d• Re was surprised at the Board of Trade for
t,l
that 4 f4vour of the Liverpool and Bury
I.l,theto, 41),..,"t had been founded on misripresentations wand,:
14.4irt,00t Abe - line, and made
.eport set forth that the resources .
of
the
Is,ttO lie, a'ql Manchester line were all engaged kir! 4,114 LS4ch Was not the fact. There were only four smubscri- tile, kiry r4tY, and five from Bolton in favour of the Liverpoolt
1.11-e'hat,2l,e• A single shareholder ins Liverpool had boug
at,' Live-. in the line thanall tnhabitants of Bolton together.
4,,_ rpeo, _ _
414hige, 4,„3 . and Bury line was a crude, hasty, and imperfect
titiltittriheZ-°,4erldonottly have originated in the present
.speculativelwith
t0:1,v,,i, P I and Manchester line would be on a level Atit ihii. ""eas the terminus of the other would be forty
,freoe_t
1.. by "'hTe the
yards from the docks. The stations 1,
__
tt,tti,_ 5e04.14 clients were far more comprehen,ive, and they
%In: tab! ''date infinitely more persons than the other. 11
to
..41( tlot t,„" l.be other side were altogether wrong, and he
Itttltt% °tleig,:sit:tnli,inck the Board of Trade must
The
oe
Acinatnne.
4 and ~, .rom these erroneous figures.
11-;:One t"" er1)001 Railway had already done much—they
end tiyan eXpense of 250,000/. to join
' 114, h„_ieh he had"'MO Railway with the Leeds Railway. The
The
ay shot... , laid before them he would prove by witnesses.
the Vtkipmrsradshatv Man-
as agent to the Bolton and Leigh R. ai .
kot,e
t.4rtie ,',"l'd bad been so for sixteen years. Had examined
qt, tree the 4ules • sent to the Board of Trade by . the Pro-
heZverPool and Bury line and found them incorrect.
-""en
Bolt and Liverpool was stated by them to be
\ski,.