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.Sir C. NAPIER said that his Hon. Friend behind seemed
to he somewhat mistaken in his statement of the manner to
which this money was expended. If it were proved that the
Bishops had gone on these excursions in the exercise of their
duties, he should not think of deducting the sum from their
ply any more than he would do so from the captain of a man-
of-war under similar eircurastances ; but if they did so fir
their own pleasure, then, by all means, he said, keep it out of
their aceounts.—(Laughter.)

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained

that the expenses had been incurred in the ordinary course of
conveyance from one part of the diocese to another. If they
made mere pleasure excursions, of course the expense would be
defrayed, not out of the public, their own private resources.
In these cases, however, he could assure the House the charges
were purely incurred in their official capacity, and were not
intended to defray the expenses of any private gratification.
Captain PECHELL said that he did not understand why
the bishops or ambassadors should charge any of these ex-
penses, because they were supplied with a vary first-rate table,
and, therefore, he thought that the opposition of the Hon.
Member for Coventry to the vote was exceedingly well founded.
He observed in the estimates that the sum of 931. was charged
for the protection of the Queen of Tahiti on board the Cor-
morant. He did not object to that sum, tor he thought it
very moderate. But he wished to know from whom that Queen
was protected?---(Cries of " Oh, oh.")
Sir G. COCKBURN—The Gallant Officer must be well
aware that the Queen of Tahiti was afforded protection from
the French.

Mr. SHEIL objected to the vote proposed for payment to a
Mr. Ross, a reporter in the pay of a London morning paper.
That gentleman had been also employed by the Government
as a witness against Mr. O'Connell, and the other gentlemen
who were prosecuted by the State in Ireland. He did not think
that this vote should be taken, as that gentleman represented
himself before the trial as still employed by the paper which he
had originally represented.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that, knowing that Mr. Ross had
been engaged in his efficial character at several of the meetings
held in Ireland, and that he had taken notes of certain speeches
there, he (Sir James Graham) had directed him to be en-
gaged as a witness on these trials.
Colonel SIBTHORP objected to the item included in this
vote for defraying the expenses of the Commission for Digesting
the Statutes of Criminal Law, an item and statutes which he
considered very hard indeed to be digested.—( Laughter. )
After a few words from Mr. Hindley, Sir C. Napier, and the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, the House divided, when there
appeared—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority for the vote
On our re-admission to the gallery, we found
Mr. CORRY on his legs, stating the improvements and
alterations which he proposed in the classification and pay of
captains in the navy. It was proposed to create a retired list of
300 captains of the age of sixty-five years and upwards, or
in case any of that age preferred remaining on the active
list, to select such under it, as from infirmity or otherwise,
were deemed worthy of being placed on this list. After this
list had been made up, he proposed that vacancies should not
be supplied until it had been reduced to 100, when at .should
be made up in the same manner by those willing to accept
the retirement. By this arrangement the number of captains
would be reduced from 714 to 400, and the 14s. 6d. list be re-
duced to 55., while the others would be proportionably
decreased. The system had been introduced with
the best intentions and wishes of the Government, and he
believed it would be generally acceptable to the profession.
Capt. PECH ELL said that with regard to the class of lieu-
tenants and commanders, to which his Hon. Friend had alluded,
they were classes which did not rise by seniority, and he would
be ready to concur in any plan which would furnish them with
more active employment. It was necessary that those data
should be adopted for the regulation of the service. He had
on a great many occasions differed from his Honourable Friend
opposite, but then he thought that the objections which had
been urged inieht be removed.
Sir C. NAPIER said that he must support the claims of

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those who had spent their lives in the service of their country.
It appeared to him that the claims of these retired officers were
well founded, and that the Government could not possibly re-
sist them. The allowance exceeded his (Sir C. Napier's)
most sanguine expectations.
Admiral DUN DAS said, that in his opinion, the benefits of
this vote sh.tuld not be confined to captains merely. There
were many admirals on the one hand, and commanders on the
other, who were equally entitled to its advantages.
Sir G. COCKI3URN defended the vote. Let the House
give it a fair trial, and if it did not meet with the sanction of
all classes in the navy, and was found to be inefficient in working,
then it would be still in the power of the Admiralty to alter
and amend it. _

Sir 11. PEEL said that there were cases in which an in-
crease of expenditure was the preferable economy, and he
thought that the retirement of 300 officers would be of this
character. Ile was quite aware that this was an important
vote, and that it would in tome cases be liable to objection. In
some instances he should reserve the power of appointing those
retiring captains to the rank of admirals, but this power would
only be exercised in the case of men distinguished by their abi-
lities and services, whose services it was desirable should not be
lost to the country.
Mr. S. HERBERT said that the effect of tee measure, so
far from precluding, would double the chance of promotion
both to the admirals and captains.
The vote was then agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress and the House re-
sumed, and immediately after went into Committee of Ways
and Means, when several votes were agreed to, and the House
ag-tin resumed.
Mr. GREENE brought up the report of the Valuation (Ire-
land) Bill, which was, after a few words from Sir R. FErtGu-
sus, received.
THE REAL PROPERTY (IRELAND) BILL.

The report on this Bill was received, and the Bill was ordered
to be read a third time this day.
THE ASSIGNMENT OF TERMS BILL. •
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
NAVAL MEDICAL SUPPLEMENTAL BILL.

The house then went into Committee on the above Bill,
and the clauses having been passed, the report was ordered to
be brought up to-morrow.
WASTE LANDS (AUSTRALIA) BILL.
On the order of the day for the second reading of the Waste
Lands (Australia) Bill,
Mr. C. BULLER objected to any attempt to smuggle the
Bill through the House at that late h mar. He could assure
the House and the Government that it would be tenaciously
and vigorously opposed in every stage, and that there were
many interests opposed to the passing of the measure.
After a few words from Mr. HAWES,
Mr. AGLIONBY moved that the Bill be read that day six
months.
SirJAME3 GRAHAM said that if any opposition were
offored to the question that night he should be glad to postpone
it till to-morrow.
The gallery was, however, cleared, when the numbers were—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority
Mr. WARBURTON then moved the adjournment of the
debate till Monday week.
The gallery was again cleared for a division, but after some
time strangers were admitted, none taking place.
After a desultory discussion, in which Mr. Hawes, Mr.
Scott, and another lien. Member took part, the gallery was a
second time cleared on Mr. Warburton's motion.
On our adinission to the gallery, it appeared that no division
had taken place, but an arrangement had• been entered into for
abandoning all the Bill except that part referring to Van
Dieman's Land, the discussion of which was adjourned till
this day.
The Apprehension of Offenders Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The Municipal Districts Bill was also read a third time and
passe i.
The Leeds and Bradford Railway (Shipley to Colne) Mis-
take Rectifying Bill was read a second time and ordered to be
committed this day.
The Fees (Criminal Proceedings) Bill went through Com-
m ittee.