Star.
London, England, 1830-03-03 00:00:00

, MARCH 3, 1830.

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Skitplielgitt that the • Id grant to the lard Keep,. of the
Alteatteffl power sear tics. It was right to inquire by a
Airy a parsseund or not, when any doubt was ester.
rby die Lord Keeper, and it was now tweet to do *0 by can.
three of wam were' appointed. In many cases there
asis haddliculty ; but in mate emu loma;r7 was necessary, and a
Ale made required. Of these Cominisstotwes some were isno-
t" tlw totes of oral evideoce, and. sitting as Judges, they were
aware of the abilities of the Counted on either side. They
ally set at elan o'clock and Nee at throe. Formerly
y and the Jury had a dinner at the expanse el the patties;
bei the Lord Chancellor put. •an end to that. , Mr. Dais's
oar, which lasted week dew week, wield have been inhaled
, Wks • common law Judge mad Jur, la . Iwo days. Was
that to be suffered to go as ? idamsad for a low yaw it was
to have thus Wei //Zidloleededaassoo. Ito,'
tialtarate so? Irby -air us*: Aillkill befog 6 -um`
W=lLaw Judaea,- -itntsti of; '.ritear 'fteattrea% bard.
.12, such as the Perim, -Judges of des Cow et Cowmen. Pleas.
and lace of the Barons of the Eadraners? ' ThepespositiOn be had
to melte was, that it was rat impesative on the Leal Chaisoellor to
direct these are to caumbalesens. Was it not oempotest for the
Lord Chanceller to direct the camodmion to Oa* of the Common
law Judges ? That he had such power was the opinion of many
lawyers, and such was his own opinion. The cane of lard Ports- ;
mouth was of itself quite sufficient-to show the necessity of an alter. I
anion in the present system. The lion member. after some further '
oharvations, adverted to the recent case of Ale. Davis, and contend.
ed that the enormous expense which that individual had been put
to upon the occasion, showed that an evil existed which ought to be
aerated as stem as possible. The jury, in cases of lunacy, were
onsrally in the hands of the counsel, for the persona who presided
as judges knew nothing whatever of Nisi Pries low. Now one of
the great advastages of having** judge of one of the Courts of Law
',direct the proceedings was, that the counsel would look up to him
with respect, wad be would take care to keep them in order. The
object of the propoaltica which he had to submit to the house was
to give mote facility, than at present 'aimed for bringing together
all the evidence that could be collected. He had never. seriously
conversed on this subject with any pen= who did not admit that-
some change was necessary. There was no one who saw the plun-
der of property that took place where the party was subjeeled to a
sommiletan of lunacy, that must not readily own that redress wit
wripatly salkd foe The hon. gentleman concluded by monism for
kibe to being in a bill authorising the Lord High (acerb r, when
be thot it advisable, to faille a COallahalaa to one of the judges
albs Courts of Reseed, empowering him to inquire before a jury
into all eases of ~ lunacy%
The SOLICITOLHENLBAL said that there were commonly
only tray few cams of haw to which the, caption was enormous
ser nee large. Thithemsest to bear in mind that tho question
y arose between iheMadeas of the pedal. The main point
rareness of this doesdrien was es t, inch as to Omaha Oa ii-
dividral sus at be deprival el his liberty. es whether be was to be
premed dim the meek* of that right whim,' to every
wined maalme. A sie impoemst, ewe so
toonismees midi set, and might net, be A
widest the lohminodes_ *ivy. WI& mews to the ease of Wm
Davis, k mail be sessiseted that a whole hoot of witnesses ao.
Mudd se dm karear, sod _that
woo, psalms, very geed town fee
all the moms* that lad ho Wield hen. members pre-
vent ems &no his right a 1 maids. to every peedble aide eves.
tabiWillng his sanity, ahem agramdeit was raked iserpmeng it ? If
an almeadoe was neeresely, it could not be WNW biyas4and
patching, bet by gob. isto the whole system. In Ms it
was sash better ft Isom the whim% coke-fwd id
these abstain asettesial .4411 lint iii dm temmleohnoihoorto a
trW dt /Mei Priem Hoek( the bosom to know the hoed per.
sees whemeed as esomikdowers in lenatie eases, he anal state of
ism, that ao set dem could be owe momptent then they were to
the ordeals duties that devolved wpm They, however, la.
Wood ender - the difficulty of beaTkatra j
ha ell that assent they did not earrytill talcialteg weight and
aodersity to which from their
_great knowledge wed k==tiltr
wadi odietwise be entitled. There was a very great be.
teem dtedlieessine of a question of homey, idler the drab of a
poesy, where his property was the only-question at kat% aid the
dissiodso of a question as to his sanity el i hiii.oe. in
the kilo ease, too much casuists could not posably be need. • Ui
Aught thet the how member would find alieed dad of diendey in
glebes Abet to the alteration he proposed. The law moidred ..that
an inquiry should take place in the neighbourhood of the Whit
was ',opposed to be a lunatic I but were they upset an eeebisae to
lied *judge who was to be sent down he that pmpose ? Na out. had
more at heart than himself the wish to realisewhatever ilteratiOn
might be advsntageons, where theintsmatsofhumanity were so deeply
concerned; but he thought that this questiOn -required 'much more
roniideration than the hon. gentleman seemed to have bestotted
upon it.
Mr. It GORDON said that the honoutable and learned gentle.--
man who had just sat down appeared to think that patching was not
eo desirable as an alteration of the wholusystem. Now this plainly
showed that the honourable and learned gentlemen thought the
whole system defective. In this he entirely
_agreed with him, and
was ready to go into the system at once. He thought the nter
plan would be to institute an inquiry, to' amertain whether any ef.
formal means could be devised fir ilminkiring the expense of is.
into cases of alleged. lunacy.' It now frequeady hap.'
that three, four, or five counsel were employed fo aeon.
mine, as a
,preliminarystep, whether the coamihwien should be
issued.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that the object Dew was only to bZitit
the bill. and hi meats might be diamond hereafter. It was
It sought to correct an enormous evil, tvibkh bed tee exited.
One of the great causes of this evil•vms. -that
acted as judges. He maintained that empsionlisraleter
Witold a judwial situation t and pelage tit best way of wring
present evil was so prevent any ef•ehme hem doing so. He aimed
imirely With the honourable amdkomelgentleman (the Selidarr.
Ifienetid) that the whole system ought se be ahead, and that Mg md
canine done be patching. By haring ramose to patchinge .mee
ports they woultlrather aggravate then mitigate the evil. As as the'
inessivedienee of holding the Inquiry in the neighbourhood-when
the idle& lunatic resided, the law upon that subjectresided, might easily
be iltiald, ead some other place fixed upon. - Votalk of the saving
if -pith* time, where public business was contented, was no argu.
thint.--lf t•O were not public functiotterin enough for the duty,
let mere be' td. The object of this Tertian was the most de.
Arable Wall *eon, except, perhaps, sae whit% lie would not oleo.
Iles (a. tongli.y . .
• Allal BOHDON thought that the whole system required Memel.
LAgstiteOnd this the better mode would be to appoist a committee to
LAWN !idle. ' He did not think dist any joilfre would allow ony
ease like Mr. Davis', to go on as waany dayw as it had occopi
l'arjalge stetiklthink it newsboyft examine en many winkles&
The wheli qbesithat of judicial tau :should be brought before par.
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Mo. O'CONNELL said that it was admkted Gin all Mei that the uileilikerloiesedicvatiees, upon "bids be had fitit Yin Mork up
preen "mode Ina highly objectionable. It appeared that *Es ens. blimialAwelsoltheisti rbeit it Would not e•theityldt the se-
onhalooms were penally barristers. He jlt OV.) qtdigicellee or fts-obtebmeteee of this Moro *alb in' inotiwif ii
thou& than temit ne should h, no mot kw i The world be tor them, triton they Wane him the honour to hear.hini
saboad anew" a .hamaith I,,,,,,,,aittadas, all its details with attention, and 111 Judge blew weblirrdour, to my whether s.r
should be Ist/aired into, and a reform effected, where it wan Dons. •am them should be say ' • rigioirrint° the rate. Vol the
eery and makable. limited himself to he documents sad papets,-o,e
SWRIr
C THERELL was willing **entertain the limited me. fiLreZ• he
hielt upon the toile wadi the house and Oe public
tiara bedew the house ; but if it implied any censure upon the late the 'weals" data for itte/049* tier 17 or Millie,— the foi'-'
lend Chansellor, he worth! hare opposed is nee or unfahnum....tim asemer* iverresa.—of Ouse plogind.
After • few words from the SOLICITOR•OZWICUAL and Dr. ing• (hip.) Moms obit le leogli)--pit4so.4 the air.
Putt.t.noolth. . • , munatimen ander *doh bowie man for them papers. 1*
dlr. Pk A. TAYLOR said he only wished to give the Iped 16•0111 goy bet two *ode ofidir illieltent nanny, and .
(Jutiteeu, the dimui„sty power of requiring the opinion of a jury directly to she maims. He arsieretthe home he did Dor ti is
whenenato thought it expedient. • nsudass upon his own individual opinion alone, that lbw' trot!, d.
Leave wan then gives to bring in the bill. inp Wore not fairs net upon Ain eke opinion that they were hr.
ora. WASH. C4lllklialififtel j but he was informed, and be believed the fact tot be
Colonel DAVITS wished to be understood ea not meaning any , tug tbeerbille wee througneut-dte kingdom a gebetal dimatisfaetion
peeemel hmAility towards the Dotson against wheel his motion was fat '• than Possedinie• lima cheers-) He was iliontwi's and 14
emelt ea. he wild were tfie house she, mid" but a wan of battered it to be the fact, that the multiplied attacks which had
directed
Impelled him us halo, kee,„d hi =tins, WINO Mildly upon the editor of . this papee. war not No moot*
whits ' "ism disease meieste.e. aosisg—fie. Nash, belt hap. , did against the individual as the taupe which bot advocated.
"7'--- •-, the macaw of I (Rom, kw.) Ho. (Sir Charke)'hai ben bilberned, mg be lc-
,a penman with a lined it mho the het, that tbb bet endowing was 'am oonerrid to
thaw wan, that a lilt the jrary.......ha meant the vanquished party spa. the We uselmnao
von, upon the Wet& et, ntiMe entandpation ehort * believeCtbat an podia iti ibis
by gavots. asele,i(el Mb la disombeilees, eeeeerell Is ififebleg that the
al lie. Itihreede MI tfeeedbigs taste petit, mei*. noel "preeim Ttak is.
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*el, Mr. husk Rev malimes -*plebe. es eplaielisideb be beg mg **mei @be,
whoa pp engem lest when I but iheid in this *gee breillimer kee be his *di.
ibete the bes. bona amt.
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Nob is qumOosed; pedra siewpislnt, .
architect ehoold Vawaaridelf4ann Of •
be himself bad
.• siklidly.;,spiseh.:
these nausactinsi ems Ern hive
for the vigilance of *Ale . lea
or Woods and Forests. In pa:: t
mead be jast:E.d in being an semen'
sansection. Thin was snider Aubiert
he house, Gamely. the effereed er atoll
Canal. He lad. last yaii lastOt b-
in., 'Mangos were CZlthiltpd. her) u:,
).'Cis he believed did oat in the 1 a t
uSci
X Mr. Nash in U., publiejloted. It
,4 Regent's Canal Company should desire
they 'Attired should be male net ii.
r. sad upon that poverty be "erste an mi.
awn profit; *hen Its only pad 24#. a.your be trosired ado/.
thereby realisiag over loom. ..)ear, and this rah was shisioeil
by MO undaentreptAtieas circutuotances, *ad witeduithaths outlay
irf a shillist. The Imo. mamba concluded by usovlag • select
committee he tippolutod. to inquire in the conduct of Mr. is
leeks crown bads Inibe (aunty of Al iddlesez.
The CIIANCELIAR of the EXCHEQUER Grog hook the
allaapeo him by the bear. trember ; and appealed
illiOttatielsoiross Whadar their would hollevethst he could for oat 50.11.11i10
.11.11ilo laity of stab an ea ea sereening a public officer ham any
'=•ltle 'gar deserve. The chains had been already invest'.
ind du accusations were declared groundless sad by a cont.
Skies seined by the boo. member bieneelf. He Would reds to the
somas of that esentnittee es a ante proof that they timid am b* in.
ffuenced by hien. It cos rather strange too, that the mention ac-
quitting I. Mashonts envied ananianoody. He objected be the
proem Ends% whith was nothing lees titan potting a sendemism
a mama ebaa hie trial, after be had been holourably
Mt said the moshaties acquittiagastrtettt
had Inesivp la enenelase by the hes. woke an Pintos
1,1114.4 scone aat bii ampulla at sonarialiby to-
11r.WAILINUEININN mid the tepee of the committee of last
taken had ealphowassaftedthdeg the last 'wed of the session,
and Magmata Meld hal af appgalunity of banging forward hi.
=amoeba at an either peeled: andvbssides the charge brought
hot year, there was otherehemsesee be preferred whet tt e
government architect.
31r. WARD had the most unlimited confidence in the.honour of
Mr. Nash, of whom he could speak as the architect to the Melones
Canal Company, of which he (3fr.W.) was a mitiber. Hr crui:d
not consent to a second committee on the conduct of Alr. Na.h, eh i
had already been pronounced innocent.
Mr. AIABERLY said that the majority which pronounced in
favour of Mr. Nash consisted but of mein number more than the
minority oppmed to them. One dig appeared be'ore the con-
inhere. namely, that Mr. Nash was a relative at Mr. Edsvmd-,
whom he had recommended as crown knee, and to whom be oh,r.
. wards became an agent. He was no lawyer, but he questioned very
much whether Mr. Nash could make a title that would stand in a
court of equity.
Air. CA LCRAFT defended Mr. Nash. If he bad not been a
speculator as well as an architect, the splendid undertaking iu
queation would never have been perfected.
air M. W. RIDLEY had the authority of Mr. Nash to state that
he courted enquiry into his conduct.
Mr. P. t iTH EnOS, as one of the Committee that sat upon
Mr. Nash'sconduct, was opposed to the motion.
Mr. MONK roar to address the House, but the cries of Que.,.
it were an loud that be could not be heard in the gallery.
Vol. DAVIES replied.
The question was then put, and lost without a division.
LATE EIOSECUTIONS or THE ?REM
Sir C. Wit /iIk:KELL said he rose to bring under the canal.
detainer the house a switket et the greatest importance, and one
wind May cireneenesses emphed to render difficult. Amongst
dome win the batman et the bow at which he rose, and the didi.
coley width the hews most 111.1 111 bestowing that assiduous atten.
Idd IS tht pollen width its inseam* regabed. Sur, since he
had the lawn of oamegglas a somi la doe Yen, be had witnessed
mom leekees of ask poems se& dillipnas Is matters of
• *al* illtiaumost as Wooed his to .4,i.& that no inauspici.
Ina olbousaimaas sada pies Idea b an t, or the
iaallerot lie males la a boa Ihmerablo paint erpostiLamwas that
Navbelbe erlialle sobbeid bin 1111111111616 to his anion.
sat daddellin, as mbuing, luesventiete to to ester
area the diamaila without delay. The bane had deendy spent
in brae bt the and et Mr. Need. He did not mean to say it was
awe Impotheti bat be would say that the trial of Mr. Alexander
'lna alemb man hoportant.4bent, bun • shoe he saddle.
jelaillaies 161. _sent bid to the sakes of lIIL4I,
to hap
ahoy WINORIOWIV as as insidious to the attacks
width bed beau mei is the liberty of the press.—(Bear, hem)
Ho hit dna be should not roadie Miaself liable to a charge of pre-
sumption Mho stated den two weeds with regard to his own con.
eat ht iW suttee if duo recent tHals. It was well known that be
usingstly wed he a eitnetisa Stigma has Mt in which he one had
des . to suiNt.'solth reitiattle Lard Lyndhurst and the
. The. plediitity Willa "Wade! was such, that,
' who lona applied so to ildhii deo action against the'preas' he
telt himself Wand M. io dabs: Aeondingly he refused.
His imams foe declisidelbe iiem, et this piety. In another place
int., that he should be tore tampered Worm; and. he mast be
' allowed to say, leis subject to reneetethillettiala •lo this house.
Tleed, the Interests othis client
ampt have 'Efelkid spa and re.
qtibNi abbe to state what he muse ditieldn,:whereas, best,
it lit' free I. state whatever
.estl that his oinimisnee dictated.
flip object that was to keep hhatielf clear dl all fetters which
night 'be 'append to exist 'as growing out of his character
•at advocate.- and to be •in a situation- absolved Item all con-
veaddsal . tun, se professional etiquette, to- state his views of
dome' neggtttt in such a form as hit *punt should
• Wit sanctios. • 'ith.thie explanation of the petition in which he
viabl with respect to hie -*tolerator), he should proceed to mate
likly and candidly hie maim! for bringths.that under the moSi-
Illetteden of .Parliament, which he did not rdvocatelitefessionally
billlifestaiimate. Hall.. tifppose he thought than 'Proceedings were
be eliaribelbeame ups. the privileges of the common of England ;
ihat hip .want es enamso upon the spirit. oldie estatitutios: a vu..
iilisli Wein of the sta. had be not a rigirs-:-art lanresisted
awl blissbitlMe. ts staid I* in his place here, and denounce die
aim a dim "P AM was this, or. 'Westminster Hall,
the laity he dike allbsteally ?So far se he ins himselfsemin
beiniglitienidolitedy, have fought his battle reckless
41 gootioal Ail, In the eye et the law, and subject to thi add de-
r Ill Fail di a annif her, Maws vehemence would of necessity be
ley elhalliaboond overawed by correetina, than
zdaSen, ' Ititill where bad world' soon tionfuted, untenable po-
i and° suomake et wild dechunetion exposed
la •ridiewle,- and ittplebetioo. He was hoe, • dentine,
MP adorn which he did set take is Westminster Hall ; and
he Wog. *St be had at lent elated 'the scat densest's, the
1 ennesimily, and he hoped, not an unsentheasalike or troprolethibmal
. pint, since he was here expand to arena responsibility thaw he
would here beets elsewhere. • Having dorsi the way hr intridue.
ins himself with- clean hands tot* hone, the time was bow safe d
whin he wan to cad theffatededlin OP lane points of these tiroceei.
liiffos the nostlimptinsite; -asitheddi the principles of this hon‘c,
the law, and the mmatitinnitif tide emeney which had accurital
share the revolnien.-.,The livers the wlddie meant to more had
relation is three isfornstionti, which bad boss lately tried in t e
C4iiict of Kings Bencheatailist tats. Ansmeftse,the editor of a part
called tbe Mernierschineost'• He mid Wine fir literal collies
df-theer infortnnienss lien* &pies. of thejullissenn which Fad
bees severally gloat spa titian, and of the ion it entity
if the jury, upon the trial.etemeitibesiblitemadows.:(ll. et. Mu.)
These were the lanonents to which hietteedee. would apply, and
to these he Would take the liberty of albs rte attendee of the
house. (Heat.) _ True it was that in aninoneting the objects of
his motion, be had not yet stand the perm, if it : he had net el.
pinned what menu* of a practical or legislative nature be meant
to isuPd alma it. (Hear, best.Y. The fact was, that these