The Sun.
London, England, 1842-07-25 00:00:00

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SUN-OFFICE, Seven o' Clock.

PIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

FROM THE EVENING PAPF.P.S OF THIS DAT.
GLOBE.—The evidence given before the Com-
mittee on Election Compromises bears out to the
fullest extent the couclusions arrived at in the Re-
tail which it must be acknowledged has been
drawn up with moderation that even the Times
does not hesitate to eulogise. When Mr. Roe-
buck first stirred the subjects of Bribery and
Compromise, it was curious to . observe how
indignant many Hon. MeMbers were at the sup-
position that they could possibly have been engaged
in anything wrong; and there were some who even
courted inquiry into the proceedings. they were al-
-1 eged to have been parties to. It appears, however,
from the evidence, that Air. Roebuck stated nothing
w Mich inquiry has not confirmed. The cases to which
he alluded with suspicion have been developed and
• oroved to be true, by the very individuals concerned
j'a them. There is one good that will certainly result
rout the inquiry which 'has just taken •place—it will
cetise the House of Commons to legislate for the pre•
ention of corruption and compromise. There are many
oils which may remain for a long time notorious,
but are quietly suffered to exist until they are brought
palpably beneath the attention of those with whom.
the duty rests of applying a remedy. Of such a
nature are the abuses arising out of elections, with
regard to Which nothing is developed in the evidence
now liefore us that gill astonish .any one ; but
until the facts were brought in black and white be-
neath the eye of the Legislature and the country,
the • necessity for curing the-evil did not appear impera-
tive. But with the Report and the evidence on the
subject now before them. it is impossible that the
Howe of Commons can with decency permit the matter
to rest where it does durin , another session of Parlia-
ment. We remember the 'Times lamenting, not very
long- ago, that there were no nomination boroughs
that could be regularly bought, as under' the old
vstetn they used to We certainly agree with
our Contemporary, in thinking that the practice al-
luded to was better than that which has lately pre-
vailed at such places as Harwich and Nottingham.
The wholesale purchase of a seat, made the pre-
ten& of popular representation a farce, it is true ;
but it was only a farce, without any of those disgust-
. ing
.and degrading scenes which now constitute a
portion of so many electioneering dramas. If the
privilege ofsitting in the House of Commons is to be
bought at all, it is better that it should be done upoir
the old plan, than by subjugating all the moral and
intellectual faculties of the elect Ors—" cooping" them
in houses by thirty or forty at a time, making them
drunk, and " littering them down on straw in the
kitchen .of one of the candidates." Such, according
to the evidence of Mr. Charles Parkes, the ascent, ap-
pears to have been the course pursued at Nottingham
—and similar scenes are acted, at every general elec-
tion, in many places to which Mr. R.oebuck's inquiry
was not extended.
STANDARD.—One of the expected, and, no
doubt, one of the designed effects of the secresy in
which the Roebuck Committee shrouded itself, was
to keep the evidence selected and garbled even as it
would be from that proportion of the people, at least
99 out of 100, who receive their political information
from newspapers. If the Committee had been open,
its disclosures would be reported day by day—par-
ties accused would be apprised of their position, and
warned to defend themselves, by new evidence;
parties unjustly screened would be subjected to the
possibility of exposure by witnesses before advisedly
kept back. In a word, justice would be done upon
both innocent and guilty ; and, above all, the public
would be Ina& aware of what was going on, and
an universal interest would be secured for the
inquiry. As the thing has been managed, time evi•
deuce, such RS it is, like all incomplete- evidence,
without prospect of addition, is whole destitute of
value and of interest, and to ensure it against being
read by any but a very few, it is let out all together,
in a folio volume of one hundred and eighty-eight
closely-printed pages. We suppose, indeed, that
we must print it by instalments, but we are
pretty certain that we shall print what will not
be read, now that all interest has terminated
in the termination of the inquiry, and the feeble
report in which that inquiry has resulted. The
country now knows that there have been compro-
mises, and that there has been bribery ; but the
country knew all that before, and the Committee's
report adds nothing either to the extent or accuracy
of the knowledge. How different would the case
have been if the investigation had been prosecuted
openly and honestly—supported and urged day by
day by popular feeling. The Committee would have
been able to hunt every bribe to its original pay-
master ; and if a deficit of evidence had interrupted
the course of proof for a moment the gap would be
supplied at the next moment by hundreds of Volun-
teer witnesses.

ELECTION COMMITTEES.
(THIS DAY.)
IPSWICH.

The Committee reassembled this morning at eleven
o'clock, P. M. Stewart, Esq. in the chair.
William Blythe was the first witness examined. He
deposed to his having been paid 30s. for his expenses at
the election, he being an out voter. He was by trade a
shipwright, and had since been discharged from his situa-
tion for voting "Blue."
Joseph Barron Warren, another ship carpenter, was
called and examined. He had a vote and voted at the
last borough election of Ipswich for Mr. Gladstone and
Lord Desart. They canvassed witness. He was intro-
. duced to them in a public-house. After the election
witness received 30s. for his travelling expenses, &c.
Cross-examined by Mr. AUSTIN—When I came to
Ipswich I had made up my mind to vote for Blue.
By Mr. PHILLIPS—I have voted for Mr. Wason.
Emanuel Baxter deposed that he was an elector in
Ipswich. On the day of the nomination witness was at
the King's Arms, where he had breakfast, and in the
course of the day, something to drink, neither of which
he paid for. After the election, witness received IL for
his expenses. He spent more than IL Ile was told be-
fore the election that he would be paid his legal expenses.
Robert Nannton examined by Mr. KINGSLAKE:—I am
the landlord of the 'Salutation public-house, in
Ipswich. On the nomination night I saw Mr.
Bristoe at my house. He called to ask if any body was
there. He is my landlord. He said I was to shut up
the house and let no one in. A number of perso:.s had
been drinking in the house that day. - 1 will not swear
that they all paid for what they had. A man of the
name of Kersly ordered refreshments, and took them into
the room himself. It was my wife that supplied him. I
do not know what he ordered. A breakfast was held at
my house on the day of the election. Mr. Henry Bond
ordered it. He said it was for a few friends and neigh-
bours. He told me that it was a private concern of his
- own, and lie said he would pay me for it. I supposed it
was an election breakfast. I received the money at his
house the next morning. I supplied liquor at the time
of the election that is not paid for. Ido not expect that
I shall be paid. as people ordered beer without paying
for it.
Mr. PuttaAes said the witness was looking across the
table at Mr. Bristoc, his landlord, and he wished the
Committee to notice the circumstance.
The CHAIRMAN—I have noticed that the Ipswich
authorities have frequently been drawn up in array oppo-
site the witness, and on the side of the Counsel for the
sitting Members. Ido not know how this operates upon
the witnesses.
Mr. Bristoc then withdrew.
The examination was continued.—l supplied beer and
bread to William Pack and his wife. I gave it him,
as he was a voter. I saw Mr. A. B. Cooke about the
time I gave Pack the refreshment. Mr. Cooke did not
order it, nor did he say anything to me about it. Mr.
Cooke spoke to Pack, but I don't know whether he left
the house with him. I did not hire the band
at the last election. I recommended a man of
the name cf Creasy to Mr. Bianchi,- who I under-
stood was to supply the band for the election. The
reason I asked Mr. Bristoe to employ Creasy was, that I
.could not play myself. Mr. Bristoe said he could not
attend to it, and Mr. Bianchi was to go to Mr. Steward.
I accompanied Mr. Bianchi to Mr. Steward, at the Little
Carlton, and Mr. Bianchi then asked Mr. Steward to
give Creasy an engagement. I was not in the room at
the time, but I afterwards understood that Creasy had
been engaged. Ido not know how much was paid Tor
the band. I had none of the money myself. Creasy
gave me 30s. for playing at the chairing. I was can •
vassed by Lord Desert.
Cross-examined by Mr. Ausrix—l applied to Mr.
Briscoe, as there had been a dispute between Mr. Creasy
and another musician. Mr. Bond ordered breakfast for
more than sixteen or eighteen persons, and told me to
supply breakfast to the amount of 3s. each man. I have
no dam at present against any person for refreshment..
By the CHAIRMAN—The members of the band were
not voters. A boy of the name of Gobbokl played whose
father is a voter.
Robert Matt, examined by Mr. PHILLIPS—tie de-
posed that he was a shoemaker at Ipswich. Was door-
keeper at the " Little Carlton rooms." Mr. Steward,
Mr. Cooke, Mr. Bristoe, Mr. Cobbald, and others fre-
quented the rooms, and gave witness orders. There
were eight other door-keepers, and they received 31. to
divide between them.
Mr. Geo. Christopherson, examined by Mr. POWER—
Saw Mr. Cobbald and Mr. Bristoe canvassing with Mr.
Gladstone. Saw Mr. Cooke bring voters to the poll.
Witness canvassed on the part of Mr. Gisborne.
Mr. George Joycelyn examined by Mr. KiNcsLaKE—
Is a resident in Ipswich. Takes au active part in elec-
tion proceedings. On the Monday previous to the elec-
tion witness canvassed with Lord Desart, in company
with several other gentlemen. On Tuesday wentwit
Mr. Gladstone to canvas two voters, but did not accom-
pany him in his general CallVdSS. Has no doubt that the
can dates were stayin4
at the White Horse in Ipswich.
Knows the rooms called tike " Little Carlton Rooms."
They have been called be that name for two
years.
During the election saw Mr. Cooke, Mr. Steward, and
,everai other gentlemen there. Was at a dinner given
after the election. The dinner was :;given in honour of
the "triumph of principle."--( Laughter.) Mr. Bris-oe
way there, and returned thanks. Mr. Cooke was also
there wit4•Nr..Steward.
•.• . •

By Mr. AUSTIN—I called on Mr-. Ridley With Mr.
Gladstone, to ask Mr. Ridley for his vote.
Mr. AUSTIN then proposed to ask- the witness the fol-
lowing question, " Did Mr. Gladstone, in answer to an
observation of Mr. Ridley, say, if money is spent at this
election, it will be contrary to the intention both of Lord
Desert and myself, as we came down with a full deter-
mination that such a course should not be adopted."

.....
Mr. KINGSLAKE objected to the question, on the ground
that it was irregular.
Mr. AusTIN having replied,
The Committee decided in favour of the question
being put.
Mr. Joycelyn-4 introduced Mr. Gladstone to Mr.
Ridley, and Mr. Gladstone asked him to give him his
vote in conjunction with Lord Desart.
Mr..ltrsTlN—Mr. Ridley formerly voted on the Libe.
r:d side, I believe, and, at the last election, but one, be
did not vote at all ? Witness—Yes.

Mr. Joycelyn—Mr. Ridley, in answer to Mr. Glad-
stone, said. he should certainly not vote on the opposite
side, but, in all probability, he should not vote at all.
Then he quite approved of the measures of Sir E. red.
He (Mr. Ridley) said a large sum of money was about to
be raised, and, he hoped, that money would be properly
appropriated by Sir R. Peel, and if so, at any future
election, he (Mr. Ridley): would certairly vote for
Mr. Gladstone and Lord Desart. Even on that occasion
he thought Sir Robert Peel required all the strength
he could get. He :aid he was no party man,
and he held himself perfectly aloof from the other
parties in the borough. He said he recollected
that on a previous occa+ion a large amount of money
was spent, and it must be the case at that eleetion. Mr.
Gladstone, in reply, said, then Mr. Ridley, both Lord
Desert and myself will assuredly lose our election, for
►ce came down here with the understanding that we
were not in any .way to sanction the expenditure of
money. Mr. Ridley did nor. then promise his vote, but
he afterwards voted for Mr. Gladstone and Lord Desart.

James Haill depOsed that while he was canvassing
for the blue party he went with Mr. Cook, Mr. Cobball,
and others engaged in canvassing for the blue party.
Witness gave a number of 36. tickets away. Perhaps
gave twenty away. The ticket? included tea, coffee,
brandy, beer, meat, eggs, bread and butter, and any
thing else that a man wants for a break fast.— (Laughttr.)
Cross-examined by Mr. AUSTIN—The breakfast was
given to collect the voters together. Lord Desart would
not give a breakfast, and witness, with Mr. Churchman
and two or three other gentlemen got up the breakfast at
their own expense. They 11:.“1 canvassed the voters two
or three days before the breakfast was thought of. They
will never be repaid by any person.
Mr. AUSTEN—It has been stated, Mr. Haill, that you
bribed a man named Bailie by giving him l. Is that
true or false ?

Mr. Haill—lt is false ; and I. wish I could have an
opportunity of bringing an :talon against the person who
said so. Baillie is highly indignant at the imputation,
and if you will only keep the inquiry open another week,
you wM see What the consequence will be.
John Brewer deposed that he was a voter at Ipswich.
Voted for yellow at the last election. Mr.Bristoe canvassed
witness for Lord D,,sart and Mr. Gladstone. Witness
said he should vote against them. Mr. Bristoe said,
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Cant we do anything • with you this time," and witness
said they could not. On the day of election witness
called on a voter of the name of Taylor, and while he was
there Lord Desart and Mr. Bristoe called, and Lord De-
sart retired with the voter into another room. They
remained there an hour, and witness went away. Tay for
had previously promised the Yellows.
Robert Jopson Taylor was then called, but did not
answer.

Mr. lirxusLAKE read a letter from a Mr.Pilck, stating
that Mr. Pownall, an attorney of Ipswich, and an active
partizan on the part of the Blues, had advised Taylor
not to answer the summons, and he (Mr. Pownall) would
defend him in that course. This letter arrived express
from Ipswich, and at the time the letter left
there was a postchaise waiting to convey Taylor, but
he rlused to go. Taylor had refused, on the advice
of Mr. Pownall, to take the summons, and it was- re-
turned with the letter.

The CHAIRMAN said, proof must be had of the service
of the summons, when the attendance of the witness
would be compelled.
William Norbrock was then called. I let out flies and
cabs. On the day of the election at Ipswich, Mr.
Steward hired two flies to convey voters to the voting
place. Mr. Steward paid for them. lam not a voter.
It hying four o'clock, the Committee adjourned till
to-morrow at eleven o'clock.

PERIAL PARLIAMENT.
(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

The Earl of SUAFTESBURY in the absence of the
Lord Chancellor in consequence of indisposition, took
his seat op the Woolsack at Five o'clock.
The Earl of RIPON laid on the table certain
papers by, command of her Majesty, and also pre-
sented a petition from Marylebone, praying that the
Mines and Collieries Bill as it came from the House
of Commons might pass into a law.
The Earl of NVICKLOW presented a similar peti-
tion from a place in Yorkshire.
The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE presented simi-
lar petitions from the West Riding of the county of
York.
CONFERENCE WITH THE COMMONS.—
WICKLOW HARBOUR BMA.

A Conference was held with the Commons. on the
Wicklow Harbour Bill.
On the return of the Conference the Earl of
DEVON stated that the Commons had given in a
paper, stating their reasons for disagreeing with their
Lordships' amendments.

The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved that their
Lordships do not insist on their amendments.
Agreed to.
MAYNOOTH GRANT.

The Earl of CLANCARTY presented a petition,
praying for inquiry into the system of education pur-
sued at Maynooth ; and also praying their Lordships
not to consent to any further grant to that establish-
ment. In the latter prayer the Noble Earl stated that
he did not concur.
MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.

Messengers from the Commons brought up the
Manchester, Birmingham, and Bolton Police Bill,
and several other Bills, which were respectively read
a first time.
HEARING COUNSEL AT THE BAR.

Lord CAMPBELL postponed the motion, of which
he had given notice for this evening, relating to the
hearing of Counsel Members of the other House of
Parliament at the Bar of their Lordships' House on
any Bill pending before their Lordships to Thursday
next.