The Sun.
London, England, 1820-10-07 00:00:00

by Mr. DENMAN.

Q. believe that in Itil4 you were in the ser-
vice of the Princess of \Vales as one of her Cham-
berlains ?—A. 1 was..
Did you leave this country with her to go to
the Continent did not *leave this country
with her.' Royal Highness, bat 1 joined her at
ilrunslck.

Did you accompany her Royal Hightiess from
Brunyw•ick to Milan, and from thence to Naples
did.

When you went with her Royal Highness
from igrunsw ick,was it stipulated by you how long
you were to remain in \attendance upon her ?
Not exactly the time, I was to remain' with her
a much space of titne as my, affairs would allow
Erie.

How long in paint of fact did you remain in at-
tenchnce upon her Royal Ilighnessl4 person ?
Rather more than sit months.

Where did you leave her :'—At Naples.
Why did you leave her was alWays under;
when I entered her, Royal, Highness's ser-
vict, that I was not -to stay more than two
months. When we arrived at Naples, I found 1
could remain till the mdnth of March.
Did you stay two mouths more than you in-
tended i—listaid four mouths longer., .
Do you remember at Milan that her Royal
Higlities discharged a courier for misconduct
--L-There was no courier discharged at Milan, but
thre was afterwards t'ot. Misconduct.

Idcousequence of that did you apply to any
person in the service ot the Emperor of Austria to
supply You with alwrson of that description ?
I applied-to the Masquess Desigliari (we believe)
who was appointed to attend upon her Royal
Highnt ss. while we were at Milan.

Did he mention any person to supply-Ids place
—Yes.

Who ?—A person whom I found afterwards to
be called Bergami.
Be so good as to state whether he recommend-
ed Bergami as fit to be received and trusted in
her Royal Highness's service ?-1-le recommended
him to me very strongly.
Did he state whether he knew any thing of his
family ?=LI-Ie told me his family was known to
him very well; and that he was much interested
for him.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objected to what
bad been told to the, -witness, being received in
evidence.

Loid LivEatiooL.----For the sake Of regularity,
the witness had better withdraw.
Witness• withdrew accordingly.
Mr.DEsmAN entreated their Lordships, before
they pronounced an opinion on this subject, 'to
allow him to state the reason why all that passed
relative to the family of Bergami was fit matter
of evidence in this case. The question was, whe-
ther what they had just heard should remain on
the 'minutes, and he should not pursue the subject
further than to know, if the family of Bergami
was respectable. The predrnble of the Bill set
forth that Bergami was a man of " low condition,
in a menial situation, and that he had been raised
considerably above what any merits on his
part could warrant." If, however, he could
shew that he was from his birth and conduct en-
titled to every sort of attention and of respect
that could be paid to him ; and that he was
recommended to her Royal Highness -in the
first instance, as fit to fill any office,. he. pre-
sumed he should establish that her Royal .11igh-
nesS had good reaso,ns for that conduct towards
him, which was imputed to her as a crime, but
which was, in fact, what in justice he was entitled
to receive at her hands. If their Lordships shut
him out of this, they Would preVent him from fol-
lowing the only mode of defence he had for the
gravest part_of the charge against her Majesty.
BI ouonAit was about to follow on the
same side, when
• The LORD CIiANCELLOR observed, that much
time might be saved by asking the witness whe-
ther he lad communicated what he had heard re-
spectiOg.Bergami to her Majesty ;;if so, and her
Majesty. had. acted upon that representation, then
perhaps the Hnuse would see that the evidence
ought to be received, as her Majesty
.might have
acted upon this infoirnation, whether true or false.
The witness was then recalled.
EXUll7l.72ation resumed. .

Q. Did you know any thing of Bergami before
that time ?—A. Nothing at all.
Did you communicate to ber Royal Highness the result of
your inquiries with the Marquis De•igliari ?—I did.
Describe what you coraninincated to the Princess ?—I told
her that the Marquis bad named a person whom be wished tip
he engaged:
What did yon say as to the probability of his promotion ?7--
I said that although he recommended him to the situation, of
con se he bored t I,;it if be behaved weal he would be retained,
and advanced to higher situations.

Did you ever seethe Princess and Btrgami together..—l saw
them together at Milan.

On your approach in the city of Nap'es were you met by any
person near the cn.y ?—Yts ; by some Officers, and afterwards
by the King.
At. what time did you enter/Naples ?-At half an hour be-
fore dark.

What time of the clock would that be ?—About half past
six.

forD4Lgo that nlgheto a horsewhivh had been prii6ded
!loyal flightless went immediately on our un-
tesing Naples to the house which had been taken for her.
Did her Royal Highness take possession of it ?—rest she
did.

Was there any thing in particular ahout the convenience
of the Parties in the house .that night ?—Yes, I remember I
and Sir IV. {-Jell had very bad romns.-4,Laughing ) •
Was' there :1 n)' thing else ?--The house was too small, and
I and Si W. Gen look lodgings.on the following day.
• ~" YOU recollect any particular persons calling on her
)loyal Highness the following day ?—Yes, the Kirfg , and
Queen of Naples.
' Do you know %item her Royal Highness dined that flay ?
On the second day after her arrival at Maples she dined with
the King'of Naples.
Was there any tlfinf.r.after dinner ?—Yes, a Concert.
Were you at the Conceit with her Royal Highness ?—Ye.s, 1
wit's in waiting. - • •i •••

9n the evening fothlising that, cto con tpoAv -where her
Royal Higtutr,.. passed Ihr et•cuing ?—Ye s, at'titc Opera.
Did -you gu with tier Royal tu- the •Opart ?—All
hrx setite

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I/id any other pet son go with her to.the ORFia ?-•She,weiit
from het' tywri house to the Opera, :tint hum thence, all the
Court retinue %Out with her to the OPera. ' •;•:-.' ...\:'•
Do you. ft:mem/wet he 13,,:c she,at- in at, the. Opera ?=—Yes,
wit h 1 he king and One,tl•
Was the Opera or.'r soon or late that'rtight ?—itarther later
tban usual. le .
Why- was it so-?—lt IS later at this time of. the year; but it
~.
depem!s oil the leiigtli-of the dance.
Vvritat wa3 the length of it ?,--(Latighioo—l don't.4o.l.w:

1)ml-her Royal I-Ill:hoes!: remain till the close of the. perfitr-
mance ?—Yes, she dial ; till the curtain froppcd....
Itta you tenievi.ber, at the last ball given at Naples, what
dresses her !top! Ilightteis wore I perfectly reitietw,
her two ut theft, well.

What wets these dresses?—One was tlitt dress of a Turkish
peasant; the other of a Neapolitan ; and the third was what
I was'iold wets the Genius of History.
•
Did you see it ?—1 did. •
What titail of a dress"was it?—lt was a dress of white dra-
pery, that Cattle high op to the neck.- -
Was it an indecent dress ?—Nn, certainly not.
-Did you see the Turkish dress ?—I
Was it not possible for her 4oyal Higtoess to hare put her
dress of the,Historic Muse over the dress of the Turkish pea-
sant ?"-1 cannot say. •• •
Was it necessary for her Royal. Highness to hare changed
I lit Whole-of, her dress ?-1 should think" not.

. ,
1).111 you ever •eft any degrading t titi i iarit y hetween„lll.l"
Royal Highness UM' Berg.ititi,- after tie was engaged atAlilati,
till you left at Naples?--Never. . .
Did you ever observe any impropriety in her Royal High-
ness's conduct ?—Never. ..

Did yuu see t C.onntess Old ?—Once.
Wns" the Countess Oldi a vulgar woman ?-7tio, cer
taioly not.- . . . .

Did you ever have any conversation with her Royal Hig:i-
ness about
young Austin, before she arrived at Napleti ?
Yes, I did ; I told lis_r Royal Highness that he was of an age
that it would lie proper in future for him to sleep in another
apartment, as it might be noticed io Italy.
Did you ever see Baron Ouipteda at her Royal 1-ligh.neigs's
table ?--Yes, frequently; he dined at her Majesty% table with
toe and others.

Did Majocci wait at table?—Yes..
Must Majocci have *een Baron Onipteda ?--Yes, frequently.
Do you know by what style and title her Maje,ty was de-
signated in the passports, atter she became Queen of Eng-
land.
The LORD CHANCELLOR sid, the witness could not be
asked Its to the contents of the passports.. If he hioi,elf ap-
plied fur passports; he might say what was the style and title
given to her Majesty. ((-Question withdrawn.)
yon see the Hanoverian Minister at Rutio?—

• The LORD CHANCELLOR—I apprehend the ui may
atilt hint in what name, style, tit- title, he applied fur the pass-
ports.
Was the Baron Reardon the Hanoverian Minister at .Rome
you were t here ?—Yes.
Is Baron Villa Marie now dead ?—Yes.
Cross-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENERAL.
Q. Where did you speak to her Majesty about young Aus-
tin ?—cl,•• I do not know the place ; it was soon atter we left
Brunswick.

You say yott saw the Countess of Coldi once; when was
that ?—At Pesaro; I saw her at dinner.
You say you dined with Bergami three times; say when it
was, and where?—The' first time seas at Pesaro; it was a sup-
per, not a dinner : the next was at Pesaro, and at Rome.
Did you accompany her Royal highness ?—No; 1 left her
at Rome.
You say-you took no particular notice of the third dress at
the masked ball at Naples—l mean the Genius of History
I did pot see it but a vory short time.
Sl:as Bergami at the hall ?—I remember all the servants
were there; I do not recollect seeing Bergaini.
Must nut the first dress which her Royal Highness wore be
taken off entirely to put on the latter ?—I cannot say.
Did you not reside out from her Majesty's residence when
at Naples ?—I and Sir W. Gell lodged out, Lot we always
dined with her.- _ _

Do you know. the disposition of the rooms at Naples re-
member where we dined, and there were two rooms between
that and het Royal Highness's bed chamber.
Do you know where Bergaini slept ?—No, only her Royal
Highness•and her women of bottom.
did you mention to Lady C. Lindsay, or any other person,
that you had represented to' her Ray'al Highness what had
been observed on the terrace at Naples ?—I did not mention
to Lady Lindsay, but to another person.
Please to mention whai,veu saw, and what yon represent-
ed ?--4 saw her • Royal Ili-141iness Bergami AVtlellitZ
in the garden, and I tiles,. there. Wa, a spy present, and I
cautioned her that the outward appearances might be mis-
construed.

_
Were there any other persons present in the garden ?—I did
not see any one. Her Royal Highness told me there ttas.
Why could you not see it there were or riot ?—Her Royal
Flightless was 041 a high terrace, and could see where I could
not. _

Wm this garden and terrace near p.ergami's room ?—lt
might, hot I do not. know where Bt rgaini's room was.
Wai any body else on the terrace busidL-'s Bergaini ?—No,
no one else. •

Did you see Berzarni and her Royal Highness at any other
time in the garden :—No.
ElOw long after you arrived at Naples vas this ?—I cahoot
say positively. '
Was it two or three weeks ?—lt might, I can't say posi-
tively, be a month..
You saw nO one in the garlen ?.--No: hut her Royal High-
ness told we that she had taken Bergami to speak to the
%%Anhwei'. _

Were there workmen in the garden—did' yOn see them ?—I
did not see them; I was told there were workmen-empluyed
in the garden.
How long before her Royal Highness left Naples did you
quit her service ?—I left her service when. sue quitted Naples.
Do you remember,; a short time before that, Ilergami
coming into a room where you and Sir W. Gell were, in a
black. dress, and tahing a chair ?—I remember no such cir-
cumstance. _ _

You never said he did ; I scarcely need ask ?—I never said
so, as I remember.
Did you go to the Theatre St. Carlo when her Royal High-
ness was there, and you were not one of her party ?—Yes.
VPas•you ever at a masquerade at Naples with her Royal
Highness, when you were not of her pa! ty ?—I never was Out
once at a masquerade with bur Royal Highness at Naples.

VV:fs Bergatiii. in the dress,• and did he act as courier at
that time, and wait at table ?--Yes, every day:

...„.... ,
Did Hieronymus act as courier?—Yes hv,
Lord ERSKINE.—At the masked hall you said you did not
particulady observe one,dress, but if her Itoyal Highness had
wore a dress that was iiitlecenzt, must you have observed it?—
Yes, I must.
Then, Sir, were any. of the dresses indecent ?—They were
not.

Lord GROSVF.NOII,—Did you cuosider the manners of
Bergand superior to those of an ordinary courier ?—Yes,,
1 did. .

Lord ELLENT4MtOUGH.—Were the nianners of Bergnmi
those of a Gentltnian ?—They were superior to.a courier;
they were not so servile and fawning as the usual sefianis
in Italy.

Lord LIVERPOOL —You gave her Royal Highnecs a hint
about her conduct, in consequence of having-read a letter.?—
I did.

_ •
Should you hare given the same hint to her. Majesty if
she had been walking witl; any other servant ?—Certainly
I should.

Coold'you discover any thing in the manners or appear-
ance of Bergaini to indicate that he had been- raised hum a
lowet to a higher situation ?—No. •

The Earl of DQ,NOUGHNIURE.A—Then -you did not pay
'particular attention to lais appearance wltiist he'was courier;
you made no observation till lie because a Gentleman ?—I did
not I;now hint before.

wifat period did it appear to you that he began to as-
sume the appearance of a Gentleman ?—1 saw .him first atter
I had seen him as outier, ns Chamberlain.
He had nut began to be a Gentleman, then, when he seas
waiting behind her Majesty 011 the terrace?—No.
He did not enter up,' career as Gentleman so long as
he continued to serve, 1 suppose ?-INo.
Then all yon speak to as to his general conduct and .ap-
pearance refers to whilst he was a .servant,_ not in his se-
cond. capacity of Gentleman ?—1 speak of the time that I was
at Naples. While 1 was there I conslde...ed him as a servant
—he Wailed at table.

IV4u did you first see bin) afterwards?—Not till four years
after.

Lord AIANNETISi.—When you dined •at Pesaro, did you say
any one else was there ?—The Countess of Oldi, and another
Lady were present at supper.
WAS no other Lady at tattle?—Not that I recollect.
Lord ERSKINE.—I understand that. whilst Berpmi was
Courier you Fill no atreption to his :manners: it was only
when lie was Chatutierlain. After that took place Oct, did

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you fee any thing ;Ti hi; rnamiers or art,e,mr," different'
Aber Gentlemendid not. A tbe
Lord GOY:FM:D.—On I the jot:prey from Naples, d' Vie
Ladies or the Gentlemen *et. nearest the Queer"
rate
Gentlemen dial not:, hut there %clic :dwaysSOint. men tit 5. 4:
apartment of her Niajesty as a glut Getr6
Do you know who those Gentle:itch getretaily,were ?---- 0,
of the upper 4ervants,,ltiernnynius sometimes, and $Ol,
times t he'it.:t her servants. -
o your At know their names?--iligimetitnes Sic:card; but
n 1..(..y nutl. paninitiettlar att--ention. i
al
,ord.-lUDEMIAI:F.o'tou recollect the day wile°
went to P,esaro?-1 cannot remember within a few days• A to
'lthen yolt first saw Berrami, were you introdace" al
hint,?—No, he came to me uit h a nicssagg front her 11°Y
Hittivovsi. , • Of
Ott u
O that'occasion do yo remember if he took notice
ro°l9

your:servant 1-1 do not know if toy servant was in the
at the time. aftef.
\Vte you dre4sed then ?—lie came into the roost
dinner, when of unrse I was dressed.
tbere?_
And you can't recollect whether your servant was
f cannot. ,
it that night that you supped with her Royal •
!Less I—The Sallle.
.What company was there?-1 did not know them; -
[,dint Vassal! was one; but I only knew Mr. A u,tin• 04,/
,Was any thing said about the company Ivy her Royal ‘,„
'ness to yogi I—Nut (bat I remember. • )•-•••,4
lto.you reinetulier any one singing: on that occasion •
Lady 511
Whellre did she sing?—She sat down to the
pianoforte, an 6,
sung a song by desire of the Princess.

Did you ask who :f le was ?—No.
Uo yort knowif she U.-as of any profession ?-1 d,) nut even
know her name to this day. ;01
Bergarui's first reconnue ndation front the Austr
Aid you see in attendance at the Inn at
'

pies ?-1 did not.
t Did volt make any inquiry as to where be served anter.;
dently3—Siceard was desired to make all inquiries as t° •
character in his fot•nter places. 04
1)o you know‘of your own knowledge that any such loci
was 1021114,?—r do not know any thing on the subject. , 0,1
You said I hat. on. your.a rrival at Naples, it was agree,'
the first night. that you should go into different 10411145 ',A
next day—ivith whom did you agree.'—We came t ft" e:
Highness and told her that 0411 rmons were so bad that 7,e
must go into other lodgings. There were other rooms in ‘ito
house, hut they could not he given up. We did not go .it
lodging, the next day.
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Land GT ),Iltl.lNON.—Were you sent. bout the 1)304
to Route ?—NO, 1 do not know who was sent ; I believe it '"
Mr. Dud tray.
Doe, Me. Craven know whether the passport -was sent frr:
in the name of the Queen of Eng;aul ?—Yes.

The Somerrott-(kNEHAL ohj,:ete(l to the question • .•
The With) ANCEl.l.oli.—Caul you stute t:at
stancet.from your OWfl koowItc1:„:e of the tarts ?—Not"of.,(l',
own kuowlettge. 1 know it from whnt ocher people. 4.ia

(This question was struck out of the minutes.)
Lord I.3I,,LNIORE.—You hart known Bergami as a con'
do yon know when he was atrerwards promoted to lir
bet lain ?-1 heard that hr was so, but it was not while 1"
in attendance on her Royal Highness:
D., you know of arty other honours Or rewards besto`-'
upon him by the Queen ?-1 know of nothing but Iron) gel'
ral ret.
Lordp CorOMBERMERE.—When hers Royal liifbness
walking on the terrace, was ilergaini oo one side
(sr. behind ?—A little way behind.
At such a distance and in such a manner as servant,: t,str'
ally walk after their mistresses?—Yes.
wish to know then, why yott thought it rieces;arY re
her the hint you hare stated you did ?-1 had heard Wit
Were spies who were watching her Majesty, and 1 o°4°o
proper to put her on her guard, as they might even put ,
down.—( Hee witness here wi:hdrew.)

Sir IVlLt.t.tm G ELL examined. -
t
Mr. WILLIAMS made applicat iont that Sir William might
accommodated with a seat, as he was indisposed. nit
The LORD CHANCELLOR.--1 understand Sir 1V• `-`4,
has the misfortune to he afflicted with the gout, wt,icti
sire is sufficient tJ entitle hi ar to a seat.

Sir William accordingly had a chair brought to him. 1,.?
Mr. WI LLIANI Ate you Chamberlain to her-Mai"'
A. I am.
How long is it since you have been so?-Since abl'ut
month before her Majesty went abroa
Did you accompany her Majesty whed; n she went abroad td
.
1514 ?—I did. , ;;,•••
Did you go with her to Brunswich, and thence to Italy •
I did.
Do you remember a comic/ being discharged in the co r, -
of the journey trong!' Italy ?—I
Where was thhat ?„--1 lieve it xs at Florence; but it ;‘.°
red
agreed un to di.charge him at Mika.c.
Did you apply to any line to proure anotlver to suet*
forget whether I mai!e the application, or
the Nlarquess 61i ee) 0 came and offrdo econtairtid "h`
Did you see the Marquess on the suhjcct e 55
Did you communicate tier Majesty. what the -
bad stated .to you on the subject at the person be recorrov°
ed ?—I believe I did ;it is most likely , - roe
Were vim employed by her Maiisty tb.make inquirie, 0
Marquess?—Certainly .1 was.
Whio, in feet, was reetionhended?--ilergami.:-
What recommendation Aid the Marquess 4ive of peq,
—He said he- knew-the family. eh'
[Here tier SoLICITQH-GENERAL stopped the, witness,
jecting to the question.' . 4'14:
Did yon communicate to her Majesty what the Nl3rl
said believe I- did. d
Did you report to her Maiesty the account you had rece;:er
of- him -from the Marquis?—So far as to say be was ;1 r
person. • ft
•
Am I to understand that„you repeated the recommerniati'
of the Marquis ?—I can't say, it passed in conversation.
Did you ever mention that conversation to her Majesq
It passed while her Majesty was in the room. the
Oh then, it passed between you and the Marquis.-whO
Princess was in the room ?—The Marquis often spoke oft
subject.
Did the Marquis ever mention the subject to the taneell.
Yes.
Was I hitt when you were present ?.—Yes. 1.,e
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What recommendation did he gist Bercanii „ot
he was ot a Noble family, !mu fallen into distres, anal
the ,circumstances attending the French Revolutio":
that, as for the man himself, he was honourable, hone',
trustworthy, for Whatever he contil lie employed iii.
Did he say any thing more ?—He'stated that he was
the other lie was about to eater into, and he heaped t,;1!,,i r$
gave. satisfaction. as he had no doubt lie•wou'-d, be
,v"LI
dvanced, as he was an honour...hie man.
Did you ever see the Marquess and Defgaini meet by
dent in the streets ?—I

What was their conduct to each other? •
Mr PA RH. oil,i'vetrd to the question.
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!VIE- DEN:u.ax and Mr. IN'tta..tams argued upon ters
of file qm..stion. re'
Mr. PA RKE...rep14.(1,. and said that how the Jlarytjes ii
cetved Bergami Was nothing. more Ilion an opittio" °
estimation iti which he held it
t
In what manner ifid the Martinis Ghri,celli condue tit iri
self when be took leave of Bet:gam-1. ?—Berzatei was at:',ltiarti',
mount iris horse, when the 7.lat irk, in his uniform a 5 `
:tithe
herlain to the Emperor of Austim, look Bergatni round
in t
open strut taut" kissed bin') twitse hefore all the pcoPlel just
manlier that wisuld Sttlii,.•• 114'15005 who ha',
eqs
comeout front Et :clam!, but which is there lie ceutli'l
ton) of the conntrc. 3rn°,i
Is it tilt commOn custom of the country with equals,
persons of the hixt er ? wt en equals, and a
, .
1 ifersoris tilt 1)2'11...r rank. clijOrf
Do !nu run:ember this Queeii and her suite- apPr°3
Naples Avers"
Was slic,rni• Iv the then Kitn2; of.Noples ?—Yes, at
which is a small distance front Naples, about six miles'
Do you remerrilier the hill!, She Well' ttlere•
it 0.35
it sufficiently large for I h t,locett and her suite
not sufficient for her Qu4r, 1 tout .1 it SA a • s • very go°"
Was there room enough ?J.--No, there ,sus not. , , tl!c
0:
1)0 fanremember her MAiesty Irving called ITP"n„„., De
QuernNapls on' the folfuwing morning?•-=lb6'
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was.
yon remember bow the Quern disposed of "e--e„/ted
evening. t bercatter ?—I rumenther r because ley to
her Majesty. Slit- was invited by the Queen of Nap
concert at the . • ... occ.rt
Do y m you reendy r bow lung she remained at the co
I think till bits/,n hatf-pa,t tWeiVe. atVen
Do you temiiuher tiny thing as, to tl,t state of tl'e
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the concert ?—pothng-pall ar, tit'id'
A, to I),:trtr Vred I mean rtici
was ,exceedingly
she tlie lenalli of the concert. „ift";
Was the coy.:ert long ?—Very loniz and tedious. fO/10,
Do yin) low's,. ".Irese her Nlaj•es:v went on the
evening ?—les, hi-cut use I attended her.
Where did she go ?—To the "lheatre San Cats;
ber
Do yon truieinter tin- preparations wady 'li, Surt.
Highrit-ei andthe company in the State BoX
woo splendidly in), initialed, and the.cornpany "
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la ? . Ya • ,
W:" th4ll)"`"v- t ;bts o.sera or
with a ballet.
you remember li.,W th Queen was there ?—1 re-
it w*.il• I t' I'l
I le , I was tame at the tittle, and hat to • ai
tfvet,„ e,nll4•lt• Her Mitjesty must have remained there till
00
„or half-past twelve,
f),,e,....,t1tt remember how -the Q:teen •went hack from the:
the • her own carriage in slate, at tended by myself and
who. were 44541,e1y so employed.
not ? e„,:as g•trden hear .or attached to tier house—was It
uolul '}lnhere
IMtIW Of alterations, SUCh aS planting aryl trans.
tt,,e'dts trees, or Other iniprovenients ?—The garden was
lute b.. -HP, arid the•trees .against I ht wall, which had be-
1,,,,,,,ctei:..5prea,1 over the jiatlts; and in confintion.
yarn~ hut-nose had there been workmen employed in the
11,„ Sas, workmen the trees, and cleaning
ut up
Ytt'Ts'
b aW them yourself did. -
to jupiittetilenilier alt eitteitafnment given by her Majesty
leer.. 11' the Kinz-1!,,.e...edin,41y well.
xtat
„tto present at it ? —I Wai in waiting.
what was the nature of that etitertnioment, if you
,„o,•,.,Thre. wits a large company.- It eta: expected that
tansgiatrwold lie Seen on the'opeoing of- a ceitaitt
1...1.,n1t1ig. a long time the door it:wiled, arid two
the i)l.ld4esS of Cast eleicala and the Countess of
10,:•e'", with the Oahe appe,sied. ,The Princes,'
troPw,trodueed a
the;
ivy or lauel, with which the-
the host of the filing, am' the tiour theft dosed. It
Inv(I about as'illuch tint- I have been taltng of it, and
"ger " as
I)„ „, • •
1.1„,1,• remember the dress of the Priii6i'ss "on Ibis (Kea'
PN.,;,;:".-' do, ner;t•etl, well. It was laic the 411'1:Si of ilie.Ca-
tsai iSluseinn, •ir'iliat
'4,
titl.
y, l•itid of Venetian t:ress.
of fact, was the dress of her Itoyal Highness of thetL
yoit 'hare mentioned ?—.-ks nearly as a dress of
viiold he made.
Ladies you !lace nienti•med dressed .in the
.--Svalething of the •a-ite lined; hut the door was
TjAsti sbort a time,. that they passed away almost Ithe
• bld , .14111"i"5, that I. cannot speak with aecoracy.
fiat attend the Pritteess when she witr t troni .‘a.pLes or
t ; 1 quitted leer then.
• w^s the eau.,,, a that ?—rn.catt.4e I was tired of tra-
ts.l.4,•' 11',tr j•
ol.artieua wi„t,„, Rua e,,Uld out keep up to her
" sm., iv
the reason had the
_gout frequently while
~ •
);
see her Majestv, after that time ?—Yes ; several
tier
les '•111 You first see her Nlajesty after she quitted ..7.3••• •
sift tht win her return from the tour to Palestine I methei
ii""ss.,ll.!'d.-and -accompanied her to Rome, and then went
i!;,iestv on that occasion apply to you to do so?—
it,wei w tittog as a roatterof course. 1 do not lenient-
did von rentirin svaitiog,?—As l'oug as she re-
thi,l
i 1 r''''Y,,l,"'rsifits of distinction visit her Itityi.kl Highness at
W4.„L' • *---I'..g; severd. . I pi esentvil them myself.
`"1 in the foll;wing year in'attendance o t her M-
I-1„, ‘.).'" attendance...on her Rosa! Highoess when
'lei 10, Frescati, aud Villa i3rantli, in the same
A
.4.4("to'hi: did you remain in attendance at that time ?
't It.. "s• Rat her untie than less.
Ras ,• .^ttime do v„,, ~,,,,•trowe whether her Royal
• I'v v' 'k ' I
t - of distinctimi 4.1'4-11t
i:,:.l:l;(4.;[...ll'it'lti.lllle in .1.1tt41441i411Ce t,,,4111 ‘ll,e, ,
r
'the three months ?—'l he I'llaCtsS was t,., to trivet
gave me permission to to Naples, on ac-
cl«
• t,-
•- • the Count
1114, 're Mose. persons ?—Amongst lien y as .
-'llll,iar-11:,;:.sliti was announced with a liinster of th.t., House
l'irit,.'.vlll-it year was ft • t ,—lt was just after her /loyal 'High-
-1')(2 from he'rAltin.r vos had 411 idea of going
4altitjt,-.,,'"''• lave e • tv "vas invited with ht.'', and
ts.l - they, t.,
~ • •).". 'f' ••• in I tint the whole party
Prin. to. S.ixe ong,,e
'•
• Princess of Lichtenstein was also to liav
ik",111•-• Y"u v:Ver hii;rt in attendance on her Majesty since
lately ?—Yes, tor a few eays, whun she passed
• 'untie as Qi-teert, the last linie.
s vitiplovrd at that time to apply for a passport ?
r
tha been dune befote by :soothe p
e,
'4lts,,f;"n sae it I saw the older for post. hoists, signed r 7)
the. Secret-1r • of State.
tbOle ,'"'n see hull it ;—Nti, but I saw it made out., and
Tt,ii-,t`'''"l it is, he ,;:'nature front several %\ll4l Sal, it.
t,Ll'4".•port 1 helierr, cue,were tibli.red to give np at tile
' • to it I' ist toaster.
Tie 4 ,vai dye It WaS to .4e guilt
klitia. • ‘'T.TOII.NLY-GLNEIIAL objected to.theex a-
-I'st tl°ll ('-'1 the witness on this subject. :in -the
".,", on a point of law, lie objected to
`v
-°lll --C"' a 'Witness to a document which, if it
n 1 044 `)`-' evidence at 411 must be given in ; and,
trQr 11t-'xt place ; . ould not see how an order
tt)..tr,,,sl horses :44.41) at Itome could be material
Present procedings•
jr ,1 Elt:N MAN contended that the objection .of
tilt ladled Friend was merely- technical, and
k'4l.u'l' was also completely contrary to the strict-
11'4 e's of the t e Courts o(Justic.e. They had a
\'‘tti ° offer secondary evidence of the order,
Aare
'll this instance was to operate as a, pass-
t4 it" ssiuce it was placed .beyond their pow'er by
-I)4l)arag_,eof a foreign country. lie was fully
Pr 11 to
0ze„,.1. spew- that it was material to then`
l
bp gSs httt it might be expedient notto-'do
vans 'e'ent, if with that. courtesy W filch was
Y she
Tbatt,•,. -`.vll- to a Counsel, when he asserted
A4E.I- -lahty of a docurnent they should not
„. A 7
‘elY require. the explanation he could
t,,cl their Lordships silence he
,considerc,
'coiv '",,,Wlslied hint to shew that it was material,
4rt'th- 'would state then, that in this pass-
'tat -e ‘-ttleert was treat:' by the Secretary, of
(q-ot
t th Isalvi) not as Queen of *England, but
4:11 ''arid thice.s‘s Caroline of Brunswitzk or ef
• did not know which, so that the
1) ‘klis • •,
t)f 1.1 61' state, without waiting I'M- the result
inn •
quiry--without waiting• for an Act of
4; 4lnent
d to degrade her, had proceeded to
.1)„t matt 4 e I
,
by .his -own lre (Nr.
''°old also undertake to say, that °lids
,'"Verieat;'t-`°lle through the itillnence of the ILI-
-"nister there at that time ; and he.
itdual tinc„-te,t
h ahle further to shew, that that .
as
received his instructions -from those
'a f who had been-most forward in brintr.-
41t, °"ward
-ce these proceedings,- in getting evt-
tltitac,l,4l in corrupting .those witnesses
.who,
."'t) he now say stood perjured
ta tie their I t.ild_
:!tl:t Jle, therefore,
and,
the Paper' was not 'ontnaterial,. that,
41.etieele ciccurnstances of the. case, secondary
W°111,,-4gli't to be received. • .
ltr adrntsci •Alts f.,-)Ilo‘vod on. the. same ti.tne.
Iltat of a document war- one thing,
all lily anOtEtr. TiCIQ- • irrS(Miglif. rat relish
ri gr°1111(1
for obiection. The . second - might
(.441
e.oe bv thu Court in the 'They
,
that the:: document was lOthred in a
, t ..1
tilt" t where their Lordships' -
co 'process
1,1 Ir/inland 41 production.
I. A
.trro.
obje,„:/INEY-Gr;;TIAL complained.. that
otis were Made oti.poititS dflaw, his
• 'ita-i "ends opposite took the Opportunity
. ;appeals cliche they ought not to do.
(." ng•a
'
'te . Ltllg°d in invectiyes.against int-titAduals
ut,c
(1410 ottoecte.l
' not .with the qUeStlOll, and that
sot,;r. '3ibly affect the objeciions started.
,`l/411, that no rule was- more clearly
41.7 f, (4 than the rule that secontlar9' evi-
' not be admitted until the absence oh
, •
evidence had been Previously-explain-

ed. In the present Case the befit evidence Was'
clearly the document itself, and that alone
-could be received in evidence, or,,at all events,
no. verbal evidence of its contents could be
received until it had •been proved that due di-
ligence had been used to procure the original
document. 7 These Observations. he humb?y sub-
mitted as to the inadmissibility of this species
of evidence, for there was a stronger objection,
which would go t 6 the admissibility of the ci-
camera itself,.even if it
,were now at their Lord-
ships' Bar. That objection would be as to the
relevancy of the document as applied to the
question now unnier trial. The question now under
trial was simply as to the conduct of her 'Ma-
jesty in the year 1815 ; and. how could an order
for post-horses or a passport, even if either, or
both of those documents were before the House,.
how could they have any possible bearing Upon
the present question ? A..few words should be
offered respecting an observation which had been
thrown out, that this was a technical objection.
He should, in answer to this 'Observation,- only
remark, that his present duty had.4feen cast.upon
him by that House. In the performance of that
duty it became him to offer legal evidence on the
one side, and to see that nothing, but legal evi-
dence was received from the other. That duty
he should perform to the best of his ability, and
he was not to lie
,deterred by 'reproach or -invec-
tive from the discharge of it. ..
'The Long CHANCELLOR said,, that if the in-
strument • existed, thy could bring no evidence
as to its contents, unless it could be proved that
I it bad been. lost, or applied for and could not be
obtained. • He proposed" to -put the following
question to the Judges :--Whether, in the Courts
below, evidence could be given as to the contents
of a passport left in a foreign country, without
.some proof that application had been made for
it without effect ? With respect to the expres-
sion _about the witnesses,, he thought it due from
the House to afford every' possible protection to
those who gave evidence at their Bar ; and he
did not think the expression " perjured witness"
could be applied to any person until the whole
proceedings in the case had been closed.,
The Marqui of LANSDOWN said, the passport
had been left with the postmaster, "as his autho-
rity for granting• post-horses ; and he had no
other motive for keeping the passport, than to
. gisie satisfaction to the Court as to the propriety
of his conduct in granting post-horses ; and it
was not to be expected that the document should
be now in existence.

The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, that according

to regular usage, the passport must be in exist-
ence, as care was taken by proper persons on the
Continent to preserve all the passports which
were issued. He wished proof 'as' 'to whether
there had been really a passport.'
The. Marquis of LANSDOWN and Lord ELLEN-
noltooGn said a few words.

Lord ERSKINE said it was not a question about
the passport, but wi'ether this Cardinal Gonsalvi
had treated the 'Queen with proper respect : as
to the, passport itself, it could be hardly consi-
dered as a paper which might be produced if it
had been applied for, as it was very doubtful,
indeed, whether it was really in existence.
The LORD CIiANCELLOR exp/ained.

The Earl of LivERPOOr..—As -to the relevancy
of the evidence,,he would ask how-could it bear
upon: the present case, unless it could be applied
to the Government of this country ?
The Marquis of LANsbowN-eonceived that it
might
,be vary,material for her Majesty's Counsel
-to chew that a conspiracy. had existed abroad
against her Majesty; to induce this Government
(without its being privy to the: conspiracy) to
brimy forward the present charges. The Counsel
at the Ear believing that he could -prove such a
conspiracy to have existed, the House would be
guilty of a gross act of injustice if they did not
suffer the eN.amination to. proceed. It appeared
to be the object of the 'Learned Counsel to con-
nect the conduct of the Pope's Secretary tow;ards
the Queen, with an application made to him on

the subject by the Hanoverian Minister.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that unless ap,
plication could be proved to have been made for
the passport, the contents of it could not be ad-
mitted as evidence.

The question was then abandoned, and the
examination► was resumed.

Examination continued.

Q: When you low the Quern at'Rome, en the second oc-
CaSilPfl, you also see liergn4Di ?—A. !!,:t.veral times.
AS Well in her presence, as When sle IV not there
several nines

'--Yes,

I wish to ask whether or not in the demeanour of the Queen
to-Bergami. or Bergami to the Queen, you saw airy thing in-
decorous or improper least.
In what. manner did Bergaini conduct himself towards the
Queen, on the occasions when you saw them together ?
With the most marked attention, generally speaking,, he did
every thio;: that he sitiZtit to do without the appearance of any
thine :i.ingnlar or particular.
Was the Countess oldi in attendance on the Queen at Rome
the last time?-1 believe not the last tune,
Die-nu see her after ?—Twice.
What length of time was the Countess in attendance on
the Queen ?—She was three months at the Villa Btandi.
1-i:ld you an oppottonity of judging of the manners of the
Countess of Oldi ?—Yei; 1 had repeated opportunities, I ge-
nerally sat neat her at table.,
I :isle you whether the. Countess of Oldi is a person of IoW
and eutLfae manners ?—terrainly not.
• What' is the appearance and demeanour of the Countess ?
A vet y respectable good-looking modest Lady.
On any occasion when Brigand waited, and the Queen
was no, present, what was his demeanour toward) you ?
I should say, on all occasions, lather more respectful than
was necessary.
You hare been some time in Italy ?
went alit oad.
I want to know whether, according to the habits of that
eoiintev, ii is it usual CirCUMat3llce fist Men servants tl) g!,
into the.brrl roimrs. while Ladies are in bed ?—1 believe it is
trot uncommon : I think it is ;Astral. ,
you known•yourwlf, of your own knowledge, ofßer-
gala dining :it the Queen's tah!e ?—Certainly
Once sir More than once?—l cannot remembet More than
once at this montent,
I mean at her I bare seers 'him at other t:11)1(.4.
You have been in the hahit of Seeing; Moorish dance's in the
Eastern Countries?—Not only in Use East, but Spain.
Will yam describe generally that dance ?—I cannot dance.

-Ever since the Que6n

The LORD CHANCELL.OII.—Sir W. Gen, has the goat.
TI r. itiAN:s.7-Con you give a de,eription verbal) of
the manner in which these dances are condnc:ed ?—I believe
every body in Lovelon has seen the Spanish .Th,/ero at Hit,
Theatre; it is very much like that. At the first. Jail of the
exhibition, several performers run up together.; ‘mnetimes
in an nt11050;14 manner. The something is dune in almost all
parts of the South of Europe. beery body sees it without
Quilting a remark. I believe it is cmotoon in China.
•Whilst }'oh welA at Naples in attendance upon the Q-uten„

were On'te inhity %'"iittir,l?----All the Neapolitan Nuliilay there;
and all the English
Cau you tell whether the English Nobility Of which yoti
have hero speaking' were persons who .had heed presented at.
Cone! ?—Presented to the Prnicess. Every one of them was.
in the habit of dining with- her Royal Highness and attending
her parties, •
State the name of :,lay one -of the visitors ?---The Marquess
of Sligo, Lord and Lady Oxrord, Lord and Lady Holland,
Lord and Lady Linn tail, Lady E. Forbes, and many Othets-,-
every body was there.
Were you there at the time Lord Exmouth was ?—I du not
know any thing of Lord Eimoutti.
When you was at Rome, did you 'know whet her Bergatni was
received in the familiesdf the Roman Nobility e—That I don't
know ; I don't believe that he ever walked out.
Gro-ss-exqtn bred by Mr. PAu E.

Q. Uow long were you at Itoine in attendance upon her
Highness after the long voyage ?—ii. Tee whole tithe
She was there.

11.,w ririuy days ?—I 'think a few days. . •
After the expiration Of those few days, you quitted Naples?
—Yes.

You continued with her Royal highness 'when she first
cater to Naples, and firmed a ~art of her suite.-1
Were you wills her when she arrived ?.--1 was.
What time of the day was it; In the evening—late in the
evening ?—No, about sun-set.
Yu g 5 say there was a garden behind ber house ?--There
WAS.

Did you ever see the Princess walktng in that garden ?--
Yes.

Did you ever see the Princess walk in the garden at Villa
d'E.te ?—I did one morning.
Was Liergami there at the time ?-1-Ie was.
IVere they walking on the terrace ?—They were.
flow near was Bergami to the Princess ?—As near as I am
to you (Sir W. Gehl was ahoot four yar4ls.from Mr. Parke.)

Was he waihimt at the same time ?—Yes:
Haw long did yua see them walking t4igether ?—Hall a
minute..

%Where was you ?—At aoother wine of the house.
Did
.sou see Amy body else ?—Notnty but a workman.
Was you in waititie in tie house of the Queen?—! was.

Was yoo there the -whote.time-?—Yes.
Did you see.lieigami often at thartioie ; where was he ?
llr attendiog her Royal Highness, and waiting
un company.
1/id you see her Rvyal Highness in a Turkish dress ?-4res.
When you saw her did.; you see others dressed?—There
were a gieat many,
Was she by herself at the time you saw her in the Turkish
dress, or with a troop of Turks ?-1 cannot recollect whether
she was alone.
. .

Did you attend her Royal Highness up stairs when she
came for her dress ?—I was with her up stairs in the course.
of the evening,.

Did you accompany her down when she was in character ?
—1 have come down stairs with her in character.
Did you recollect what character she was in at that time?
—I really do not.

Lord EII.KINE—Did you ever observe any impropriety in
the conduct of her Royal Highness and Bergami towards each
other ?—No, never, •
You are a man of the world, Sir William Gell : you have
lived adeal in it, and I wish to ask you Ibis question
posing it had been true that there was a criminal connexion
between the. Princess of Wales and Bergatni, and -Bergmui had
acquired dominion over I.he mind and body of that illustrious
Person, do you think it possible that you should not have. no-
ticed it ?'

The Sot.icirmllGENEßALOjectefl to the question.

Lord ERSKINE said, it occurred to I,lw that it was a ques-
tion which might he put in a Court of Law, but if there was
any objection he would not press it.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, a sense,of ditty com-
pelled him to object to the question; he was only desirous of
doing his duty.
Lord ERSKINE.—As the Solicitor-General seems to wish
that the question should not he put, I will give him all the
benefit he can derive from his Objection, and withdraw it.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH.-1/id you et'er observe in the
manners of the Princess of Wales.ang Bergami any thing to
induce you to think there was an adulterous intercourse be-
tween them I—l nerti did. '

iVas there any thing in the manners of Dergami which
made it disagreeable to you as a Gentleman to share with him
the chilies of service?—On the contrary; lie was remit, hably
modest and unassuming; be was very respectful, and paid
great attentitht to me : indeed, he would condescend to light
toe doWn stairs with candtto: when I left, would have suf
fered hint; hut I told hint in his sitnation l could not suffer it.

Did you find On the part of Bergami the conduct of a gen
?—Perfectly so to me.

Did he take more thmi his fair share of. the duty ?—He did

Did
.you observe any thing in the conduct of Bergansi more
than in a u;nal,attemiant ?—Nothing, but that he was more
attentire•.

Lord DARNLEY—Do you. know, Sir W. Gell, having
travelled so 111 Clt as you bare Of Naples and Rome, whether
the orders for post•horses ar the pest-office at Rome are pre-
.served ?—I think not, for when they ate done with they are
of no service. _
Is not an order for pmt-horses an equivalent for a pass-
port ?—Yes, it is.
Can you take upon .yourself to. say if an order of the post-
office ,tould he forthcoming ?—l.,cannot take upon myself to
say; but I think not frow.what 1 know of the ROmati Govern..
went.
•

I wish to know the nature of the order for post horses
given to her Nlajesty ?
A PEER—It is an qnestion.
Lott! DARNLEY—I think it my ditty to put the qnestion.

The Earl.of LIVERPOOL—Was !+,ir William Ciell aware
whether Berg,aini was or was not a married man ?—I believe
he is a married man, hut I do not know it.'
The LOltD .CHANCELLOR.—Does Sir William Gell mean
to sayit hat was his belief whets Bergami was with bins ?—Yes.
Lord LIVERPOOL—You have seen the child, Victorine,
Did you nut know she was called Berganit's child?—She was
called the daughter of Brrgami, but I, don't know that she
wag his daughter.
. PEER ---On the return of the ,Princess from the,Opera
at Naples, to her own house in. the course of the night, do
you know whether she returned t'd her own chamber, or where
she went ?—Her Royal Highness returned to,her own cham-
ber; -I waC3.at the door ; and Vbelieve her Royal Highness
went to tied.
Lord BATHURST.---Non say von 'saw the Princess and
-Bergatni walking, together on the terrace at Naples ; was that
soon after her arrival at Naples ?—I really cannot say to a
week.; I am not. positit;e.
Lord INNISKILLING.—What was the time of night when
the. Queen returned front the Opera, and you left her at the
.chatuher-door *one o'clock in the morning.
You have described the Queen-as being dressed in a lobe
resembiing the dress of a•Grecian ;, I wish to know whether
the robe could be put over any dress she had on that night ?
It. was put over a dress her Royal Highness had u4derueath,
and the robe was open. It came up to neck; it'was very
short, and had no' train. .

By Lord LAUDERDALE.
Did rou attend tier 11. flat Iliziinesfk the Princess of .Wales
at the Villa Brandi and to 11111)1.01i ?,—Nes.
In what year was that ?—ln 1877.
Can you,state i:),,phat months uf.the year 1917 ?—Yes, I can.
In .tune, July, and August.
Do you remember whether Louis I3ergami was at the littia
Brandi ?.:—Cerrainly he was there some part of the time.
Do you rememberif tiny other persons of BerOmi's• family
were at the Villa Brandi or Bopinelli ?—The Countess of.
Oldi, the sister of Bergami,'was there.
Was there any other person of that family there ?—Realty
I cannot at this motrient recollect.
t Faustina there ?—I newer. Was there ati.he! sister mtmeit
saw her. Never to. know her either as Faustina or the sister
of ' Berganti. . .
. .

DA Louis Beraatni ever (line at the same table with the
Princess at, the Mike Brandi ?--Ycs, soMetisoes at the same.
table:
Did you ever see the mother of Pergami ?—Never, that I
know of.
you ever recollect seeing any other relation Bergami.
besides LouiS liergailii, and nit. C:ouotess of dldi ?—I have
seen tio tither. . •

... _ .
By Lord. ROsEliEttllY.
Q. 'I wobld ask sir W. Gell; whether tht short dress Whlcii,
her. Royal Highness wore rip at the neck, ...milder that ~f o?
Grecian female, was ttre same in which sic hail aPpent ed in
the first ett!,ifacter ?—I liti+ove it was. . I was only, in_ the
pas,a,re waiting for her p.uyal Hitt:mess. The second dress
,Ice truce must 4Thve Lien' put over the short, rit,,s ,hicit I
have ile,,ev,hed.
Then y'ots are centain that the first dress ste..wore, -was
that over winch the Grecian dress was put .?—it co, ,m be
no
othrt• •
When 101 l have seen .Bergami dine, at the table 1)
of ~Trir_
cess, what part of the table did he sit ?—On the left hand
of her Majesty. . .
. .
Did he sit , next to her Maj:sty ?—Sometiti es next to her,
RCA sometimes distant.
And whvre, sir winihni Gilt, did von sit'; 'tin the oriposite
side ?-IVhen there was no cotalpaon, on the right hand of
the Quceui.

. When. there was no& company present; did 13elianti con-
tinue to occupy the place next th *leen ?7,--4os!'aS it hap-
pened ; sometimes yes, and sometimes no, according to the
rank of the visitors.

Lord NI AN (pink Sic .Witham Cell has stated that
Louis Berizaini h is dined at the table of the pyincess whets Sir
GeII was lirei;ent ?—(Cries of " No,'no !)—I beg par-
Awl if I am wrong,—.{hear,. hear !)---bot I so understood the
witness. I-low otter; has that occurrtd ?—Several
I wish to ask what situation Louis Bergami held in the ser-
vice of the Princess at that time ?—I-le was her ituytaitigh-
ness's equerry. . .
Where did Louis Ileri,ami sit when he was so dining at the
table of tit,: Princess ?—Generally at the other cad of the table.
C ENCI By the SOLICITOR 7 tAL through the LORD