The Sun.
London, England, 1845-03-08 00:00:00

" teeard 1 ha„
ti ain. as an integral portion the empire ; let them
t, haa" 'aisle advantages in the disposal of their produce,
a been coneeth to Canada and other favoured cool-
reer: read of visiting them with a mark of the displea-
diaate% the Government, which this " protective" duty in •
to the . 11 England gave the same free laws and institutions
the aliager producing countries that her c lonies enjoyed, then
tae 'fluid find that these countries were the strongholds of
war, Tien in time of peace, and its right arm in time of
ai Pilch an unfortunate event should oveur.—( Hear. )
ittrer.,ESCOTT was of opinion that if these duties
tonco,.!? he redueeil, that reduction should be net by a
the eittsnt
advance upon some other article. But
S~l-,,,4'1,Qh nut by the Hon. Member for Stockport was this :
tet."'sing these protective duties to haae been removed alto-
ate,,S, whet would be tae cons:quence? " Now he (Mr.
41'3') should admit that, to this question, no direct answer
eaee given • but, at the' same time, it clic' appear to him
irrY impoirt et' admis:sion- s on the subject of the .ugar
etty,i'',lll(l.heen made. Last year the Hon. Member for N.ewark
adds' '" that House, that this protective duty was, in all cases,
lob the cost price of sugar. Now. he (Aft. Escott ) begged
tato); lest he certainly never did uphold the principle of pro-
itch aeittietY upon that ground. The reason he did support
Pioteetio'N'ost was, because he conceived it aas a necessary
ter al to those eng:reed in the trade, ami in order to secure
14t eiettea of Pll )(sv to the consumers in this country.
when it
stab,. ass stated so plainly by several Honourahle
0 thil that this duty was added to the. cost price
Data article coraumed, they had indeed made
illtr.erY strong and serious cave in favour of the abolition of
til(l*-1";( year, hear. ) However, he was far from thinking it
e right to do away with these duties at once, and thus
isauttiddeaal../' throw their colonies overboard ; and, under these (ar-
ia °aces, he could not support such a proposition.
"AaltY said his o -anion was that if those differential
,101:::,./7's destroyed, he hadl net the least doubt but that, in
laaa ute years, the consumers' would have to pay just as much
ttatit.ar es they hail now ; and theref re he totally denied hat
11°t's Members op posite put four or. five figures upon
they
thi,had made out, to the satisfaction of the House,
t;oaveontsi
tut:: was paid by the consumer.
tiro RIGHT said he had °len observed that, upon some
Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's
iittat'tr9ent and his colleagues took a very active part in the
Ititettes in that House while upon other occasions they exhi-
kit in
not less remarkable. When great and plen-
a kite
or extraordinary ingenuity were the weapons
itipatedr‘hitht into action, in the share of the debate par-
.!i'ter, by the Eight Honourable Baronet and his sup-
4114,'"ert indeed were they most active ; but upon other
as
; Riehtsuch as the discussion of that night, when
;testate 'son. Baronet well knew that not all the powers of
t which he possessed could make it appear that this
Ptto4 lined Most grievous and oppressive tax, then, indeed, he
keatieum 'ilent, and permitted all those around him, whose
`(lies he knew could not damage his swicess, to go on.
Ight ,t a hear, A very ingenious speech had been made to-
IradeuAthe Ho) n. Member the late President of the Board of
to th " that speech was remarkable, less for its apphcabi-
e Nee subject under discussion, or the prudence its
ft'illo,' than for the deep personal interest which it was
aatta a!it the lion. Gentleman had in the subject itself.—
• t" Not .. time that this sugar question was intro-
Ltaa, a
• hr')
House, but new concoction of the Hon. Gen-
,"atra at sure to appear in print in one of the morning
Noer slat
et who,
very
• t in positive and dictatorial terms, the
erh this question should be handled by the House.
fet h4r.) It Was true, the Hon. Gentleman was not
ayst .°tecially connected with the present Govern-
whether he was a greater lover of the.
-'llt, or of the sugar planter, upon this
t Non 't would be rather difficult to say. —( Hear, hear. )
6", idle right) 'CNI, %Gentleman was the representative of Newark ; but
would like to ask the Hon. Member what
}rydinpi interest the inhabitants of that town could have in up-
at he ulereated price of ar, —( Hear, hear, and a laugh. )
a,(act°eld easily see what
whar interestg. the planter had in doing
ilugh.) The Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool,
atia thrieer the routine of the duties of a State Minister,
it. 45. 13 at this was a tax which could not be measured but
it4ll°lo,.r,itbt) should say rather, that the arguments of the
stftestp en the question were such as could not be
foisth(Langliter.) The Noble Lord said it would be
whett
,e House to act on possibilities; but four years
on uctee fate of the then Government depended on the
411 ttitie• the House on this question, the Noble Lord had no
'reithness at all and upon his motion that Govern-
iatta-le, outvoted and 'overturned.—( Hear, hear.) Well,
qat;siiitt tax could not be measured, but let Hon. Members
I,!taebelot forget that it was felt.--( Hear, and laughter. )
hall,t&tanej'erat wailed to make a character air himself as a
kd't alal"1 but he (Mr. B.) would ask what sort of a
(4 /et 'Tester was he who would propose a tax,
aasa."lnit it that could not be measured ?
itt\ tie ‘l,4llau.htwras one Such an admission should not be made.
bet4lolt'';'‘r.c Thise )wasatax which should be measured, and
at'eattiareount known.—( Hear, hear.) The labourers in
'ai!'alsr'at and in Hampshire, and in Wiltshire, who paid ford
ll~earlatrrorta and half-pennyworth of sugar out of their har.
'ah°,eld know what it was, for they it was who felt it
e6i.J.—tand the Right Hon. Barooet at the head of her
ki4itt:tiirertltnent, he (Mr. Bright) contended, should not
ist4saue4nd silent, and refuse the question put to him to
) Now he ( Mr. Bright) could easily suggest
Gt~'ad hsa."lail this tax could
ale
measured—it was this.
k fullregular returns of all the suaar shipped to this coun-
tra Ora 44d SUM ient amount of remuneration sheuld be
erto have thee e returns accurate. He did not know
Presenth Government would propose to do this in their
141.,t ,he would suggest that, suppose Sir James
pay to Mr. Goulburn or Mr. Glad-
'ltirtty K'ach, say 10s. 6d. per hundred weight
kithe;', fole p aendred weight of sugar shipped from their
vb'4ngland.—( Hear, hear, and laughter. ) This
ktteelee-,1 enparliamentary • but the Parliament was not
car' at 'el* •
erreder , and people Outside of that House were very
„tyagsat in having cheap sugar, though Members of
'at; Dior" not care whether the price of it was a penny
t4iltlthee er less, per ib.—( Hear, hear. ) He was under
W.. 44.!4q teen that the Right Hon. Baronet opposite. and hish
Nth'isa-oetre always placed in a humiliating position on t
(4a„ths „raa, hear)—and there was; no question upon
ottraraordinary activity of his mind was more readily
)hilt in a discussion upon the sugar duties.—
Nt ells Then Then all his finer feelings for the interest of a
Saqilaie t-it Were in full exerci.e ; but he (Mr. B.) did hope
ictftlY It! PreAPRt occasion, he would manifest a
hear.!)sti deeper
NJ.ll4le interest of the country.—(Hear, Yet
ad in Lhould say that, in his opinion, persons who were
a.Nakere aXe levying of a tax for the interest of a class,
kaAlh't i;',4g to at'Government who thought that a tax
'"'ter,ursP though it could not be measured—(A laugh)
s'lt *C." give a vote in that House in favour of a mea-
-10),;4%, Inot for the benefit of the country but a class.
trio Aettihers had stated that this tax would amount
I,;it? oarloillietts, arid yet no reason had been assigned for
aaiiCtidlsk "' except the difficulty of procuring labour in the
( Hear, hear. ) Bni, with reference to the East
L'Orau'i4auritius, no answer had been given—good, bad,
17'it,t taar-(Clseers.) The. late President of the Board
°P°,l a former occasion, that he defended those
ta.)l ::'ittiat"e\aßtounds of a want of sufficient labour and
m 1144
,veil, then, if the Right Hon. Gentleman was
e:°l4 aw'th a measure for sending back absentees, he
lit iraeloared to say what other remedy he would
qr trth:`° of lending- himself to the spoliation of the
12l'acsbifsvenirielnasent of the planter.—(Hear, hear.)
at;iliarY fair SLR said he would delay the House with
It ' th werds. He would merely say that his belief
attlat,4 lira! duty was to be taken off foreign free-labour
to he of that article now, and in three or four or
Qaat tite, would be very nearly the same. He could
colusion which had been
Mem drawn from
ber for Stock-
p, tke
latiktee did he believe that the Hon.
ra! full '° increase the cost of sugar to the consumer,
L a wahaaxtent of his question would lead them to infer.
a7fathoht-' said that he did not agree with the Hon. Gen-
ittita.`itaaa" just sat down in believing that the lion. Mem-
e,ta ,h,ea'rtri., had meant anythirg personal in what said.
I alb ) He said he believed the effect of the mea-
s to
rat4ataa h Pet a higher amount into the pockets of the
Proposed that those Gentlemen, one of whom
:at or of
„ the Exchequer, and another the late
Up'dkt4ll,.torwe
oatßoard of Trade, should draw cheques for
vt u'eag hem from their estates, and then allow
1‘;111 4tsa.ut,eY their sugar in the cheapest market they
Vtad°lllth !rear.) There was no want of urbanity in
4taltkatlaaaearewas a great deal of truth in it.—( Hear,
trataaat ) That plan would be less burdensome to
ilateh!its 'ea' would get rid of all the intricacy which
tattaielg, aeknowledge to possess, and the planter would
ttt tha The lion Gentleman who spoke last had in-
isYttiiiiat'ilthrtstion of' slave-labour sugar and free-labour
kaa) iliajis carefully eschewed on his side of the House.
Is et,ll l, distils
now known to be impracticable. —(Hear,
new-fanaled philosophy foisted into their Cus-
ty-s eta' which Would turn ()ut to be utterly prepos-
ktilla‘4ios, '°e. Friend near him had proved, from the best
satttlifaisserrilliation which this groat metropolis could afford,
haletaribeyuene,of price paid to the West India planters for
0,„4, the price of the sugar sold in the. genera
ot ss,
aaarist, amounted to 131. per ton during the last
IttNaa `',4taft*,:lht be some variation between one year and
111,:41`eth -It 13/. Per ton was the amount which ought to
kale 11'4 4%.‘'eount of the protected interests of the colonies.
a a la -an to say that they ought to give up their
1,,t a et -
aa e sy a as not the question. The question was
SI ate srs, eght not to leave their colonies to exert their
itltlitthil4o" to relieve the consumers of this country
taia P011411,0%11 ;1,a,l Price which they paid for sugar,? Even
as`sst thka t vest Indian interest was entitled to protection,
104,:edi,,,e Ova why the' sugar of the Mauritius, and
,iiticitiaal'iwdlite,re labour was cheaper than in an, part of
Ora ah protected by 10s. per cwt. ?—(Hear,
▪ ~ito(k" the question was put to the Right Hon.
-Lath' tare to '•
hand he never heard a
4 the Night watch
him,
seemed dislike so
at it( e 4 ha 4 lion. Baronet to
‘4, htrikt the''''hed so gingerly.—( Hear, hear.) It was
Cala 'light Hon. Baronet was forced by a ma-
'taa 'het to fi ht b ttl s isich he disa roved of,
V'ts oat" g• " " "
aiata, eon e Right Hon. Baronet would in another
N 4• teVed e House with pleasure and announce that
kittillatteuteacncalsle under the proposed plan to exclude
i%.tlrst, atraear.slave-grown sugar, it was expedient to alter
at, ae,oti aaement, and put the sugar question on a
;tt,titet'till'lllar'gs.'—'l,',(,H. ear, hear.)
tat`td soly 'to did not know whether the House was
',lt, at *ll4 „Pet' but he knew he was —(Laughter• ) It
liatasr ttlliaa'allisht the West Indians had to protection ? Ile
\'ree '' "ad a right t and not merely to
:kti• to jor Nu_ o protection;
a. t, 41c1,1 t,hbut to something more like forty mil-
ts.lllll'l rjllt was lira') Ile should like to know if an Act
t. 'tat, raw labl'sased, restricting the source from which
iithaltakrirat
..ettrers to cultivate his estate in Cumberland.
stilt i,tat Dtwhere Cd that his neighbours were at perfect h-
et atittia,°tatiti,„7 might for labourers, whether he had not
alat.'lll)'-' Tight
a stare wer they brought in the
ilt,t!‘) f,ya
yeeia such
legislation. Philanthropy was
'ta ti "'anti, a" ago, when it cost nothing.—(lronical
!ltha th I,,jPY was good, but a low-priced article was
a' liitrj°,eiaalt, when they legislated badly, that those
t• 6s ,kitp" ought ten
oid )1,7, „- • obe protected.
siitte"Litio'lt Lea he understood the amount of money
shoo, I'll to thisans received was about 20,000,0001., and
Oar °at would were to pay 3,000,0001. a year for
;ct -,,k4 be 100,000/, in addition to what they
4la
s.,'"ere was no question that the 20,000,00(y.
t th."ta th. "„as a sacrifice made b • the consumer, said
titettilktita-yZate7;tAtie_ro_be! for Liverpool.. It was_payinya the
a"' io Om a.atti aait'_.," of the slaves, which the Hon. Ate me
oeinCe° Plying for their whistle. It was a
tttalat'tet , hear)—but whatever was its
S4l4t'wsel:''' the itt"(l, and when they came to ask what
h,°. ealettlaitgidit lion. Baronet, who was so good u
telaecwe-taee the amount of the duties, the
itpta.atily4astiet , —was not able to give any answer,
Plan", he
ou not come into the revenue, for tha
",11,•,ti(, atri in, fair
conceive, why he did not give
lae,atma tell:4 said uh:atr question.—( Hear, hear. )
n„(eit'e to thW,a.swensott prepared totdenhothwatassonmoet
i4llt(' tti,"i°4l..Whw" a free-trader touitthereeextent of not al-
-101,:hy t}et_this bl!", eroteetion was fairly due. But if they
I.l:rsurltioieta. goo! its to the West Indians, let them under-
ts:,) aattiaar tine, atid let them have the credit of giving
ta'Ltit ft eta was onearnt alleged that the reduction of the
/last aitilart s°,thrataa, of the benefits derived from the pro-
taPl., ‘t,(! 'Alt if the planters,d not the con-
Ile 14' b vantage of that 'an
d t
ttaSta, neat elleat reduction, credit ought not
sr. 'tt• to
_why nut they never had. If the planters
4 riaustio 'aY
by so at once
Mr. PARKER, relative to beet