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London, England, 1842-06-17 00:00:00

SUDBURY IMPROVEMENT BILL

This Bill was read a third time and passed.
SUDBURY DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL.

Mr. lIEDINGTON said, that it having come to his
knowledge that a copy of the Sudbury Disfranchisement
Bill, and of the order for reading the Bill a second time,
which had been ordered by that House to be served upon
the returning officer for the borough, had been served
upon the late, instead of the present returning officer, he
begged to move that the copies be served upon the present
returning officer; and that John Hall, who had served
the copies improperly, be called to the bar of the House.

Johii Hull then appeared at the bar of the House, when
the following examination ensued :
The SPEAKER—John Hall, are you a messenger of
this House ? Witness—l am, Sir.

The SPEAKER—Did you receive an order of this
House on the 2d of June, to serve a copy of the Sudbury
Disfranchisement Bill, and the order for reading it a
second time, on the returning officer for the borough of
Sudbury ? Witness—l did, Sir.
The SPEAKER—Did yon proceed to Sudbury ?
Witness—l did, Sir.
The SPEAKER—On whom did you serve the copies ?
Witnes-1 served it on Thomas Jones.

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The SPEAKER—Is he the returning officer ? Wit-
ness—lie gave me a receipt, and signed his name " re-
turning officer."
The SPEAKER-1s he the present returning officer ?
Witness—No, Sir ; he said the present returning officer
had nothing to do with the late election.
The SPEAKER—Did be say that he presided at the
late election as returning officer ? Witness—No, Sir ;
he said nothing about presiding at the late election ; he
said he was the returning officer then.
The witness was then ordered to withdraw.

Mr. REDINGTON moved that the order for receiving
the Report on the Bill be postponed till next Wednesday.
—Agreed to.

BELFAST ELECTION.

On the motion of Mr. O'CONNELL the following
Members were appointed a Select Committee on the
Belfast election :—Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Shaw, Mr. Beckett
Denison, Mr. Cripps, Mr. East, Mr, Liddell, Mr. Ellice,
jun., Mr. Protheroe, and Sir Benjamin Hall ; with power
to send for persons, papers, and records.
Mr. O'CONNELL then moved that the Committee
have the power to inquire into alleged bribery and
treating at the said election.
Sir J. GRAHAM inquired (as we understood) what
the motion of the Right Hun. and Learned Gentleman was?

Mr. O'CONNELI said he had given notice that
he should move that the Committee should have the
power of inquiry into alleged bribery and treating, but
instead of that it was taken on the notice paper, that
they should have power to send for persons, papers, and
records. If, under those circumstances, the motion
should remain as it was, he would not offer any objection.
Mr. HATTON hoped that the same precautions
should be taken to secure attendance of the members of
the Committee as had been in the case of the Commit-
tee appointed on the motion of the Hon. and Learned
Member for Bath.

Mr. O'CONNELL had understood from gentlemen
connected with the Government that five out of the
nine would attend. He (Mr. O'Connell) had ascertained
that three out of the remaining four would attend, and
he had every reason to believe that. there would be a full
dttendance of the Members.
Sir R. INGLIS would not trouble the House by
pressing the matter to a division, but his opinions were
the same on this matter as he had expressed on
former occasions. When the Right Honourable Ba-
ronet, at the head of her Majesty's Government, con-
curred in the measure, it would be but giving the
House unnecessary trouble to divide ; but he wished
merely to record his opinion.
Mr. DARBY thought that the customary and proper
notice should be given in this matter.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that the fact was, that he had
given the notice he had mentioned, but that it was taken
down inaccurately. As the period of inquiry must be
much later than he could wish, it was desirable to have
as much expedition as possible. He should then hope
that the motion, as now proposed, would be agreed to.
Sir R. PEEL said his Hon. Friend had again referred
to him, and he, therefore, had again to repeat that all
he asked was to be allowed to exercise his own indi-
vidual judgment.—(Cheers.) He did not in any way
wish to influence any one. He had not asked any man
to vote fur him, but he claimed the right of deciding
what course he should take.—(Cheers.) Consider-
ing the appearances of compromise, and consider-
ing that considerable bribery prevailed, he then
stated his deliberate opinion that he did not
think it would be to the character or credit of the
House of Commons to put this question on one side
solely on account of technical objections.—(Load cheers.)
He wished to maintain the House of Commons as he
found it ; he wished to prevent the recurrence of these
compromises, which were constitutional changes ; and if
the House of Commons were to refuse an inquiry in
cases of this nature he was perfectly persuaded that they
would find more difficulty to refuse- further consti-
tutional changes. When one person said, if you will
protect my friend I will protect yours ; he did
not think this would be upholding the character of the
House of Commons. He gave public notice that he never
would act on that principle. If the parties were guilty
of corrupt compromises, for the purpose of concealing
inquiry into practices of bribery, lie would not use the
influence of party to prevent that inquiry.—(Cheers.) He
did not say that any party then had committed bribery ;
but he would - say for one, that he never would
use the influence of party for the purpose of
preventing inquiry into prima Jude cases of bribery.—
(Loud cheering.) He thought that such a course would
have a great tendency to diminish the character of the
House of Commons.—(Cheers.) Those who were
guilty of bribery, if there were any, must take the con-
sequences, for he gave them public notice that he would
not exercise his influence fur the purpose of preventing
inquiry.—(Great cheering.)
Sir R. INGLIS said his Right Hon. Friend had quite
misapprehended his meaning. He did not accuse his
Hight Hon. Friend of using the influence of his office for
this or that purpose. He had stated simply the fact,
that in a case in which his Right Honourable Friend
and the Noble Lord at the head of the Opposition
concurred, it was in vain to expect to divide success-
fully against them; and that for that reason, though he
retained the opinion which he had expressed in con-
junction with those who voted with him, in the case of
Belfast and Nottingham, it would be painful to be
found again in fruitless opposition.
Mr. O'CONNELL then moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to indemnify witnesses who may give evidence before
the Committee to be appointed by this House, to inquire
whether a corrupt compromise has been entered into for
the purpose of avoiding investigation into gross and ex-
tensive bribery, and gross and corrupt personation of
voters, and consequent perjury, alleged to have been
practised at the late election for Belfast.
Sir R. PEEL said he had stated yesterday that he
thought the House of Commons ought to rely, in the
first instance, upon its own constitutional powers. If
they found those powers insufficient, it would be time to
make alterations. He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman
would not at present ask for additional powers.
Mr. O'CONNELL said he had been
t th
apprehen-
sive, from what had formerly passed, t
great powers were insufficient ;bt afteruou,
would whatwthihda h a(rifiViein
from the Right Hon. Baronet,s
motion.

Right Hon. Baronet (Sir It
Mr. HAWES said, as the
llis intention to bring the sub-
jectlnglis) had given notice o
under the consideration of the
of Church Extension .
he •
Ito ask him whether intended to
House, he Legged CHURCH EXTENSION.
et ti os
en—
his fixed t, 0
do so ?
Sir
intention—to the
dlit attentionl‘.a sillf the House st
in t
the subject of Church Extension. If he might be per-
mitted to add one word in reply to the question, it was
this, that if the lion. Member for Lambeth would pro-
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'also him his support, lie would then take his counsel as
to the time and manner of bringing the subject forward ;
otherwise, he must be allowed to bring it forward at that
time and in that manner which he should think best.
Mr. HAWES did not understand - the Right Hon.
Baronet to state whether he intended to bring the nutter
forward before the end of the session.
Sir R. INGLIS said it was his fixed intention to bring
the subject forward before the close of the session.
. SOUTHAMPTON ELECTION. -- •
Mr. W. 0. STANLEY moved fora Select Committee,
to inquire into the matters contained in OP- weal Pe'

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s man to support a religion w.hich he believed to be erron,eous. the Government could afford any relief ; and their only hope reconsider the Corn-laws and devise some measure which would ' Mr. HUME thought it would be much better to apply the
titions hereinafter mentioned,-viz., the petitions of the f nearly in the same words. To old arguments he SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNA LS •
( lir'as it not, therefore, the Right Honourable Gentleman s own was that the Right Hon. Baronet would take the subject into furnish a remedis for this crying calamity, proceeds of the sinecures which had lately fallen in to the pur •I:
electors of Southampton, presented to this House on the I certainly could not do otherwise than state old re-
_ FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY._
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is:, ire" le? If to-morrow this Churcherate were levied for the his serious consideration next year ; for the ruin or the rescue Mr. T. DUN'COMBE said that if he had any fault te find poses of this advance. He should take every opportunity of i
GLOBE.-The recent melancholy occurrence at Claes
9th day of May and the Ist day of June ; the petition 1 plies. Notwithstanding the attempts of Lord Althorp ,
' Boman Catholic Church, would the Right Hon. Gentleman of the country would entirely depend on the line of policy with the resolution proposed by the Hon. Member for Knares- opposing this Bill.
ot John Wrenn, presented to the House and, printed with in 1834, and of Lord Monteagle, in 1837, nothing w. here a crowd that had assembled round a store w
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feel his conscience at ease in raisiug it ? Perhaps there might adopted by the Government. These were the reasons why he borough ( Mr. Ferranti) it was that it did not go far enough. Captain BERKELEY was surprited that the Hon. Member
'the Votes, on the 30th day of May ; the petitions of practical had ever been done on this subject. be some ancient recoPections about the Right Hon. Gentle- found himself utterly unable to support the Hon. Member for He (Mr. Duncombe) believed that five millions at least instead for Finsbury conld content to vote for an advance of 1,000,000/. fired on. by the police, has, it will be seen, led to an leue
•Abraham Abraham and William Henry Mackey, pre- The first Bill was thron.n out almost without man which would make him submit to the rate. The Right Knaresborough, as he thought the motion would do more of one million would be required for the purpose of relieving the towards what he (Captain Berkeley) called a wild scheme for vestigation at the instance of Government. As tws
. eented to the House on the 13th day of June, and discussion, and the proposal to take the ex- Hon. Gentleman had said that the Church had been asleep for harm than good. poor, and if tho House would grant the Committee he would relieving the distress of the people, and refute the smail sum of matter is one which may very seriously
printed with the Votes ; and to report thereupon. The pense of repairing the Church out of the Con- centuries, but was now awake ; perhaps it was so. It was de- Mr. 'VILLIERS said he rote in consequence of the Right move an amendment to that effect. There were several pre- 300/. a-year towards the spiritual instruction of 11,000 of their number of individuals, we abstain from giving ant
' Hon. Gentle n took that opportunity of expressing his solidated Fund, was totally rejected by the great parting more from dissent and coming back to what he humbly Hon. Baronet having adverted to a statement made by him eedents to warrant the House in granting those sums. In 1832 fellow beings. opinion as to the criminality of the proceedings vvhieu
f h bre. eons of the House and the cOuntrY body of the Dissenters, of whom he believed the called unity.-( Hear, hear.) He (Mr. O'Connell) must pro- (Mr. Villiers) relative to the distress in a certain district of the House voted one million in aid of the suffering Irish clergy, Mr. BROTHERTON thought there were ample funds in are the subject of inquiry and can only express a hor
'sense o t e o tea i
1- > head of the G, , ' e - 'lit o test a ainst an man bein com elled to pay for a Church in Scotland. It alluded to a poor Cathofc family, who were who were affected by the operation of the Bill of the Noble Lord the Church already, without making any further advance, and 1 that ever ' ' IPsle
to the Right Hon. Baronet at t.e _.ov erns Honourable baronet was the not unwi ng oraan. . g . y . g p
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went for the assistance he bad given tower , e Ihe I on. Member for Leicester had asked him, how, which he did not believe. found in such destitution, that they were actually eating a dog opposite (Lord Stanley). Thirteen or fourteen thousand some of that could be appropriated to the Forest of Dean.
will be enabled tu justify his share in the unfortuas
Sir J. EASTHOPE rose -to reply There was one fact which had been boiled in the house. Tha Hon. Member for pounds were granted annually in aid of the Polish refugees. After a few words from Mr. WALL and Mr. HUME, the
character of that House, by the course he had taken with his views refusing to contribute towards the
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event. alluded to.
hich strengthened his conviction of the power of the members , Knaresborough, who was not in his place, stated that there Similar grants had been made in favour of French refugees. House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be brought up d-
respecting the alleged cases of bribery and corruption at Dissenters, he could be willing to impose a tax upon con-
of the Estalelished Church to support their own form of relie was no foundation for that statement. He (Mr. Villiers) And why not make grants of this kind in favour of to-morrow. 'Without, however, throwing any blame upon par
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the late elections. science ? NOW, he would ask him, in return, if' he should •
I 11 'll • If • hthb h d th • ld kth H se t
gion. n a sma vi age in Is men nec, our oo , e pews nou as e ou o pause e ore ey e tete
•b f th bl* , d that there the suffering poor of our own country ? The dis. Mr. FOX MAULE moved for the return of fees taken by cubit parties, we cannot but renaark that the I
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After a few observations from Mr, Hoeesoe lIINDE contend, as he had done, that Church-rates were not a found to be insufficient for the population ; a subscription was no foundation for that, when he told them on what autho- tress now endured by the poor was owing to the present Go- Sheriffs in Scotland, and for an amended return from the Sheriff [ life which ensued at Clare was altogether ne
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and Mr. Meemseoe, the motion was agreed to. tax on property, because they were fluctuating, and fixed was entered into for the puspose of supplying the' deficiency, rity he made that statement. Seeing the Hon. Member in his vernment-(Hear, hear)-who would not attend to the state- Depute and Sheriffs Substitute of Lanarkshire. He should and that there was nothing to justify the firing upc A
Mr. IV. O. STANLEY stated that he was not pre- by vestry, how he could distinguish them from Poor- affect a grea,
and from 600/. to 800/. was subscribed towards enlarging place-(Mr. Ferrand here entered the House)-he would ments on this score. When he was on the other side of the not make any observation'on the subject until the returns were people. This appears to he admitted on all hands ; anu
pared with a, list of the Committee, but he would give rates ? and unless the Honourable Baronet could prove the church. Notwithstandin; all that had been said, he be- again repeat that he hoped the House would pause before they House he had shown them that the poor were in many in- laid before the Houte. even those who had the command of the police force al
notice of them during the evening. that Poor-rates, because they were fluctuating, lieved that the abolition of Church-rates, in their present form, supposed that that statement was without foundation, as the stances obliged to subsist on carrion, but his statements would Sir J. GRAHAM said he had no objection whatever to the most desirous to establish the fact that they ga,ve n
orders to fire ; and consequent] • it must-ise inferrea th°
CH URCH-RA TES. were not a tax upon property, his assertions would be found advantageous to all parties. Hon. Gentleman himself often made statements which were not be believed by Hon. Gentlemen oppodte. Their only return being made, and to give every information on the sub-
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sir JOHN EASTHOPE rose to bring forward the would go for nothing. Formerly there certainly was Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, loose and turned out to be uotrue. No doubt he believed object wag the attainment of place and power. It was the bu- ject in his power.
motion of which he had given notice, with regard to great opposition to Church-rates, but he did the numbers were-. them, but he did not take the trouble to inquire into them. siness of that House to provide a remedy for the distress, and The motion was then ageeed to.
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For the motion - The othen• orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
:nand, instead ut being one which, for their credit, thel
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Church-rates. He expressed his extreme regret that this not think that was the ease at present.
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Against it 162 Scottish newspaper, and the paragraph had been copied into Con. He believed that they were not fully aware of the distress House adjourned at a Quarter-past Twelve o'Clock.
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question had not been taken up by her Majesty's He believed the amount of opposition to the Church-
Majority against bringing in the Bill - —.,
to
Government ;he was surprised that it had not been one rates was greatly diminished. He believed the number THE SLAVE TRADE and he,had since written .to the Provcst of Stirling, and be had tend to it. It would take 500,000 or 600,000 men to come up PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. atre LT:6
of the questions considered by the present Government, of cases against the rate now existing in any Court On our return to the gallery, we found Captain PECHELL received an answer, saving that he would inquire into the sub- to London to convince them of it, before they would believe it ; I
--est-- all persons who have read the evidence already adder"'
ding
as the Right Hon. Baronet had himself avowed, in was less than when the :subject was first hrOught on his legs, who rose to move for a " Retuni of slave vestels ject. His Hon. Friena gave the Hon. Member credit for be- and when emse men clid come, the House would then lend an 1 (Front the Votes and proceethngsef the House of commons. ) that there is at least a want of a sufficient understan ...h
sail.-
former discussions on this subject, that it was forward. At all events they had not increased. brought before the several Courts of Mixed Commission for nevolent motives. He (Mr. Villiers) did not wish to dise attentive ear to their sufferings, but not until then did he think I
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15. between the officers and men of the police force, - . -
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a most important one ; and he was, therefore, jus- Tile Hon. Gentleman referred to the small amount of adjndication between the Ist day of January and the 31st day pute his benevolence, but he did not agree with his , the House would li:ten to their woes. What were those poor 1 ELECTOR,S' REMOVAL BILL. has been the cause of the fatal error that has beea
mined. The men who fired doubtless acted n. PI
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titled in supposing it one likely to engage the attention the rate paid hy Disseeters, and used it as an argu- of December 1841, with the name of the capturing ship and the system of personal attacke-( Hear, hear. ) Both from i individuals to do? Were they to lie down in the ditches ant ,
Motion made, and Question put, " That the Bill be now • 1111
~r the Government at the eaeliest moment, mem ad rerecundiam. How could he, said the lien. commander thereof, describires the flag under which each his manner, and the topiee he introduced, he always seemed die ? They had not sufficient respect for the Government, of the I
read the second time :"-The, House divided :- either•a real or a, supposed order of their superior, a
it could give to its consideration. In the session of Gentlemen, consent to such a burden fer the sake vessel was seized ; distinguishing those under the late treaty to have a party object. He had described persons who were country to be satisfied to do any such thing for it. Admonitions
MINoRrry_AYES, 102. it seems admitted o s all hands that he addressed S -
ith S ain and under the Act 2 and 3 Vie., c. ass; the regie. going about the country lecturing for the purpose of mislead- in churches to contribute relief would have little effect ;
Ainsworth, Peter Gor,on, Lord F. .-.,1 C6llO
1835, the Right Hon. Baronet had borne witness to the of 14,0001. *: But that told two ways, and he (Sir Robert Philips, G. words to them ; but whether the expression us."- A,
‘tTeredtoprina.rre of each veesel, as well as that by British admca- ing the people. Ile begged to tell the Hon. Member that the it would afford little relief. A better remedy must be 1 Gtanger, TC. Philips, 31. " Fire," or " Don't fire," is left undecided by' '
importance of the question, and it was from thaL coil- 'lnglie) eeyee made the, question one of pounde, shillinge, Bannerman, A.
suremeet, ;rid if slaves on board ; statin,g the number at the I people of this country were vvell enough informed to appreciate applied. The House had begun this evening by refusing to I Barnard, E, G. Grey Sir G. Plumridge, Captain l'he
sidered that this would have been one of the questions I and pence. His claim was that time Churcherates were
Hardy, John Protheroe, Edward contradictory testimony of the witnesses. ~,a
.i,m, of seizure, the date of the deeretal part of the sentence, the motives of such persons. He begged to remark that the listen to the grievances of the Dissenters, and they were about ' Bellew, R. M.
Bernal, Resph 'Jostle. A.
that he would have brought before parliament, had net a national tribute to the national Church, and it was Redington, T. N. niOst favourable construction that can be ps,
whether forfeiture or restitution, with the areonnt of proceeds Hon. Gentleman who liad brought these charges had been fos to conclude it by refusing to afford the slightest relief to the I
bodkin, John James Hay, Sir A. Ricardo, J. L. upon the conduct of the police is, that they !tic,
his stay in etfice been cut short. It was naturally, then, on that ground he orgued for their centinitance.-(llear.) of sale, or of costs awarded ; the expenses of condemnation and nine months resorting tu every topic calculated to excite the thousands, the millions, of the deserving, but starving, poor ot 1 Bowring, Dr. Heathceat, J. Russell, Lout John
a eatise of regret and surprise that the Right And so far from the people of England thinkin; the payment of breaking up of each vessel; the period when the proceeds common people both in that House and out of the House. He the country. 1 nrocklehurst, .1. Hintiley, Charles Russell, Lord E. took the words of their cfficer ; for we are un7,4
Scholetield, J.
Bon, Baronet, with all the power to execute his own of the rate a burden, they considered it one of the highest for distribution were paid into the Registry of the High Court had referred to the ill usage of men by their masters. He had Mr. FERRAND would not enter into the question about 1 !Irotherton, J. Howard, J. K. iing to believe that he could have been so criraw-
Hon. W. Howard, H. Scott, R.
as to have given orders for the needless sacrifice of 14#'*.t.jos
will, had not brouoht it forward ; and it was difficult to privileges to ray it ; and only a few years ago 3.188 Peti• -of Admiralty, and when the same was paid to the captors. alluded in the moil violent language to the mode in which the the Church, hut pass on to notice the observations of the Hon. I h
Bs:11er, 'C. Hume, Joseph Seale, Sir J. H.
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Also, Account of all Claims for the several Bounties or Ton- p!.iblic relief had been administered.-( Hear, hear, from Mr. Member for Stockport about free trade. It was not a year Busfeild, VVilliam Hutt. W. Sheil, It. L. since needless he declares it to be, vy ben he main ee
conceive what causes could make it less important now Lions were presented in favouh of them. Not were these pe.tie •
tions for vague generalities, in winch the itchttoners were in- naee between the ist day cf January and the 31st day of De- Ferrand. ) But the people were in a far different state to what ago since the electors of this country were appealed to on that , Childers JNV James, William Sheppard, T.
thon at that titne. In it speech delivered on that
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. l'th b 1 1, ' h • 1 b - I, T 1 ' • - • 1 I ,4 •1 ‘1 hI- i 't. fth +IT lc.• ' . ri that be eraleavoured tO prevent his men from firing 7of
t‘cerrested, but they spontaneously flower into tle ouse rom cen-user .es, am. .. a.• s.ave vesse.s teat -aye eeen ta.en into Ley were in w ten -C erst eegan. .ae people S patience was qmistion, ane tatty ..ectce-, as tee .arge majority 0.... at __owe , _hristie, W. - Johnson, General Somerville, Sir IV,
occasion, the Right Honourable Baronet said that,
sons asking to he allowed to contribute to the rate. It her majesty's' service, under the provisions of the Act 2 and 3 nearly exhausted. He had stated these things so frequently. showed, in favour of the Corn-laws. The Hon. Member for I Clemenuts,BLord Johnstot,e, A. Stanley, W. O.- the pot:niece. It does not appear that any feelingo
without undervaluing the importance of the Municipal
in.ould be the same thing to the conscience of an honest Dise Vie., Ct fen; stating the appraised or estimated valne of the that the people now began to believe it. a.nd he (Mr. Villiers) Perth (Mr. F. Maule) had stated that his (Mr. Ferrand's) Strickland, Sir G. irritation against the police nad been manifested byeee
Corporations Bill, he must observe that the Church-rates senter whether the rates were paid from the consolidated fund, same, the registered tonnage, as well as that by British admea_ could not help thinking that the Hon. Member was beginning addresses in that House were made for the purpose of exciting I t owper, Hon. NV. F.
1 Mel;ros,kc., Sir T. taannigbsttoonn, fiedizorth Stanton, W. if
Layard, i'.aptain Strutt, Edward cro,vd before the occurrence of the fatal ealamitb"'
. question was fully equal to it in einergeucy, and for the for it would be only a mere transference of the payment from eurernent, end die gums which the Commissioners of the Ad- to be a little alarmed at the aspect and state of the country. He the people of the country. He begged leave to tell the Right : Crane, w. th 141•Taggart, J. Thornely, Thomas 1 there had been noteing in. the conduct of' the mob. tc'e
'1 ufnell, H.
sake of the continuance of harmony, and the pro- one body to another of Dissenters- The tax was one of the miralty have deemed a proper priee for the same." He hoped thought he had pretty strong evidence on his own Committee. Hon. Gentleman, that previous to his (Mr. Ferrand's) taking jsraaiwr trdi,e ut a
r_ ,"C Siain =Tr' I.'
Tuite, H. 111. I excite a fear of outi age. It is not even pretended:arra'
motion of satisfactory feelings among the great botlY oldest in England. The Church-rate was a rate paid by John that the Right Honourable Gentleman would not ob- It was there stated that one cause of the riots of Newport was his seat in that House he found the manufacturing districts ex- Denitistoun, J.P Ill'aule,'llon. Fox Vivian, John 11. the people might not have been disp rsed withou
s.
of the Dissentere, there was no single question, with Thompson in respect of euch a house or field ; and wilether ject to furnishing the House with these returns ;he hoped the exciting topic of the truck syetem. cited in the most utijustifiable manner by persons anxious to I Dic.inson, P. H. Miscalfe, Henry Wall, C. B. course to firing ; and ie is therefore to a most fa alll4
the exception of that of the Irish Church, which so John smith or John Thompson held the house or field it would there would be no objection at all to his motion. Mr. FERRAN') rose to order. set them against the Government of the country. Men the most , Divett, K Mitchell, T. A. Wallace, it understanding, if to nothing worse, that the deplohlw
Morris, David Wawn, J. T.
be precisel • the same. It was not a poll-tax ;it was not levied It would be satitfictorY to know in 'what office or in what de- The SPEAKER intimated that what had occurred on a wealthy were. hi, in,,,tr persons who were
.reckless of altprinciple, 1 illuurfasin,blAT.,,•cis• event must be attributed.
immediately pressed for settlement.-(llear, hear.)
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°iv it in iti ut, ,uton t e ptrson In teepee ois property. partment, were the proceeds of ail vessels which had been Committee then sitting could not be alluded to by the Hon. of all honour, and all truth, to excite the working classes 1 Easthope, John Morrison, James Westenra, Hon. H.
Moiison, General Wemyst, J. c.
STANDARD.-Sir Richard Vyvyan has addre
He hoped he did not ininecessarily take up the time ot
'With tips conviction. he could not understand-he did not like taken under the Art of Parliament of 1839. There were two Member. IJO
by the most disgraceful and inflammatory language. But 1.
Ellice,Ht. Hon. E. Murphy, F. S. Williams, W.
the House in eallinss its attention to what were the
o to use in private or in public harsh language-but he could not ve.els purchased last near-one tor 3501. and the other for Mr. VILLIERS only mentioned this to show that the Hon. although that course had been pursued for months, notwith- Ellice, E. O'Brien, J. Wood, c. letter to his constituents upon the several subjects 0, ..
opinione of the Right Ilon. Baronet on fernier occasions.
O'conneq, I). Woad, Colonel T. Corn-laws, Income-tax, and Tariff, condemning the 100
understand the honesty of the man who having norchased of an 450/. Vessels of such a build that they could hardly be brought Gentleman was beginnino to get alarmed. He thought he stantling the great waste of money, the parties had failed. He LsmarT V. Sir T.
lia/#
When the subject was brought forward by Lord Aithorp,
auctioneer property, with deductions in respect of land-tax, under the uns of her Ma'estyh cruisers on the African coast, could not reed a newspapei. without 3ecing some cause for ap- (Mr. Ferrand) had done more to put down hired agitators
.in O'Connor Don
Ferguson, Colonel Ogle, S. C. 11. Wrightson, W. B.
Wyse, a homes sures of Ministers with reference to all three. We
see
the Right Hum Baronet told the Noble Lord that he was church-rates, &e., all coming in regularly the one en the I and yet thegy had been taken b;the Board of Admiralty at a i prehension from the distress and temper of the people. Corn- this country than any other Member in this House, and the Ferguson, Sir Robert Oswald. Jsrnes TELLERS. read this letter with a mixed feeling of admiration 6"-
'Ol
,
Is nitid to proceed with the subject, tied ought not to ot her-deducting these, by which tbe value of a house was mere nominal amount. This was not 'ost to the captors. He i plirnented they had been, no doubt on their patience, but there conscious i dctitude of his conduct amply repaid him for what he Forster, Matthew Parker, John Gibson, T. 14. pain. Every sentence bears testimony to the 111 .
leave it a matter of contention for years, The, Right estimated, he could not understand the honesty of that man hoped the Government would seriousli consider the nature of ' was something different in their. spirit. Now the llon. had done. As to any statements he (Mr. Ferrand) had made, 1 Gill, Thos. Pondarves, E. W. Hawes, B. talents, the overflowing benevolence, boundless Pilo
_ ninnourable Gentleman. in the year 1525, said who having made the deduction turned rotund and said his the service the navy was called on to perform, and that without Member came forward, witlmut the most distant chance of sue- he would leave the House and the public to decide upon them, I MAJOR' TY- NOES, 120. triotism, and noble spirit of the writer ; iltheee
it aim Usl B Mut; Med to a dereliction of duty to conscience refused to pay the amount because it had reference loes of time, or lieing scared by the treaty with Portuoal, by ; cess, and in the most reckless and loose manner proposed that and thoroughly convinced he felt that whatever attempts Hrth. APGeachy, F. A. word, to that combination of the best gifts of pane
, I I Allix, John Peter &colt, Bickham
• allow the matter to proceed fi,r such a length to certain uses. He had not to consider the use to which the the United States, or by what might be told in the'Frencii i one million should be given to the people. Did he mean to Gentlemen opposite might make to throw a slight upon ins Antrobus, Edwird Ferrand, W. B. Manners, Lerd J. and education, which constitute him, perhaps, as rot
,d' time n ithout a remedy ; and yet, year after year, it had money would afterwards be applied in his payment of a debt. He Chambers, but boldly act up to the Bill of 1839, and apply it as I say, that he even for one instant had an idea that the grant statements, the people of the country would place greater con-
_arbuthrW,Flon.ll Fleming, J. . ' Martin, C. W.
feet a model of the accompliehed English getitlemati-
e.otie on n ithout a reuse' dv. Anti, perhaps, it would be had to pay. his debt however profligate tl:e expenditurehe might Parliament intended. This great country ought to exercise a would be made, or that there was the slightest chance of the fidence in what he stated than in all the statements of all the " ghe
~
Baagot ' Ho'n. W. kitrroy, Captain
Forbes, Will•am Miles, Vv'.
Morgan, Octavio.; England possesses at this day. Painful it Ettus_Lr;
enceura,ge in his creditors. The Hon. Baronet had no objection great moral power, by doing that justice which the ease re- , money beim; given ? Did he suppose that the people would Hon. Geittlemen opposite.-(Hear, hear, and ironical cheers.) Baiing, aB. : remantle, SirT. Packe, C. NV.
e waste ul time to e. , throueli the reasons which ere-
under any circumstances, to differ from such a te"ei
e(
e? the Church-rate. being levied upon pews or s.ittings in the qeired. The Hon. Gentleman coneluded with the motion of : not appreciate his motives and his conduct? What was the The House then dividedorhen.there appeared- Barrington. Viscount Fuller, A. E. Pakington, J. S.
I.CIIICd it beinw 'entice] It had heen the desire of' the
_,et i. • Church. In the hest place, one of the great privileges of the which he had given notice, qating that he wished the returns course of the Hon. Member against every single measure that For the motion ' . . 6 Beckett, William Gaskell,James Milnes Peel, Hon. Sir R but to us, who fur more than fifteen years have '7,e
Noble Lord, the Member for London, and those who
106 Bell, Matthew proud to follow in his course, to take the guidanassii
people of England was-and which he vrished to ex- to be given from January, 1840, instead of 1841. was calculated to relieve tha people ?-( hear, hear.) If they Against it
rtoled ash's him, to have this question settled, but tend instead of diminish-that they would have free The motion hasine been put, , were wrong in proposing that relief, they had also proposed to Majority against the motion —loo Bernvd, Viscount Godson. li.
Beresford, Motor gla=ee, y.. E. Peel, Colow. ,
rhil4Ps' r'' ' Ids public conduct when we could have it as - '
Plumptre, J. P.
. ho had obstacles to meet him W hich were not in aceess to their parish church. He would not wish to see the Sir G. COCKBURN said lie never heard of any fault being I give them the pewer to legislate for themselves. The Hon. LAGAN NAVIGATION BILL. Blackstone, W. S. Gordon, Hon. W. Pnce It StileSt direction, and where .we had been o°lnni...
the way of the Right Honourable Baronet, who people obliged to pay to go into their parish church the same as found with that part of the navy employed on the coast of Gentleman refused them that relief-he refused them the power On the motion of Lord ELIOT the following Members were Bodkin, W. H. Gore, Montague Pringle, A. OW
pelted to act without this guidance, to test eee
bad powerful majorities in both Houses of Par- they would to go into a theatre-( Hear)--he would therefore Africa, and he had no doubt that what was done was right. of legislating fur themtelves. He had refused to repeal bad nominated as a Select Committee on this Bill i-Mr. Nichol], actions ,by their conformity to his principleseerie
k I . W.
BPoutctield: Beriah toi'rouhlb,,umr,n,siHr elamrinye
Rltaecid,,SsilrrN
JVoilhlinamß.
I;airicllt. Ilia it was no Part of his that' to detteld not consent to a proposition which would have the effect He was happy to be able to state that the stave...trade wag di- laws, causing a burden to the people of minima. The people Mr. Vernon, Sir John Walsh, Mr. Christopher, Mr. Pringle, pain is great indeed. We find ourselves oppoSl
Buckley, I:di-nun' Grirnsditch, Thomas IRtiociti)easrtiols.,, RI;
env course that might have been pursued with regard to of keeping the Poor People out of their Parish churches. The rninishing every day, and not a single slaver now left the Ha- came there and claimed thew political rights, they claimed to captain Carnegie, Mr. Dickinson, Captain Jones, Mr. Chatles Burrell, Sir CMI Grimston, Lord Sir liichard Vy %%yen, and we scarcely J(!;
proposition of the Hon. Baronet wag, that taxes should he levied vannah. He would not go into the subject at large, because have the power of redressing their grievances, and pointed at , Wood, Mr. Sharman Crawford, Ain Sergeant Murphy, Mr. !ltiirrelylllielli. Hamilton, W. J. Rose, Sir George
this question. He -only wished to ask whether the sub-
hampdcn, Rents Rushbrook, Co:enel why. Were not his station, his career, , .6,
on seats in parish churches, irt rural districts, for the mainte- he did not intend to oppose thc motion. the character of the legislation which caused there. Where 1 Protheroe, ?dr. Thornely, Mr. Redington, and Mr. Patrick U
C.: 1.."
:' C' I' ' II • s• F ' Scott, Hon. F.
iect was Trot :ts important now as when the Right Hon.
arnegie, ..mp am acs, .ii .. genius, sufficient guarantees that his Pt'r
fiance of the fabries. He ( Sir R. In,glis) thought. that they Captain PECHELL was glad that the Hon. and Gallant was the Hon. Geatleman then ? Was he for extending that ' Stewart. Charteris, Hon F. Henley, J. Warner Shaw, Frederick
'Baronet matte those statements ? It had beeit declared
have suffered no change, the . let. -
ought not to deprive tbe poor ot the benefit of attending worship Officer did not oppose the motion, but he did not give any lwer? He (Mr. F.) condemned that House. He had said CUSTOMS ACT. Christopher, IL A. Hepburn, Sir 'l'. B. Somer.:et, Lord G. ciPles
alio by partiee in the House that Church-rates were a
nter
by any euch burdens to which at Present they were not sub- answer and that was what he wanted. He did not think the that the House was standing betwe,n the benevolence of the The order of the Day for bringing up the Report on the hlattene R. R. Iler,bert, Pl. • S,omerton, Viscount before us affords proof that a change in him is a ,s,sse
grievance on the Dissenters ; and the only question was, jeetee. He (Sir R. Inglis) objected to the proposition on Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer Crown and the poor. But when the question of reform of abuses I Customs Act having been read, the Report was brought up by ct Tvrek, Sir George fLe.vey, Lon A.. S.tanle Lre-d
1 , Robert lmes, W. Aq...ostrt StanleYy, Edward I sink, for such •
must ever be the case with one Wr:n
what eves to be substituted for them. In 1834, Lord principle. He contended, then, that it was inexpedient to grant ought to have left the House till he answered the question. came before the House, where was the Hon. Gentleman? Did ; Mr. GREENE. , Cockburn, Sir G. 'lope, Hon. C, Sturt, H. C. principles are the highest and the pureet. Ineleed, tte,
Hope, Alexander Sutton, Hon. h. M is not a nriucipie enouneed in the letter-and it
.is.•'
eipeeicer, and, in 1837, Lord Montettgle, brought for- the permission which Honourable Gentlemen sought. For He hoped he would be sent for, and he (Captain pccheu) the Hon. Gentleman think the pe„ple were so stuinued as ro give I The resolutions having been agreed to, on the motion of sn. Collett. W. It s me'
werd measures :or the abolition of Church-rates, these reasons, and believing the Bill to be founded on a vicious would continue on his legs till he carne.-(Laughter). Hughes, W. B. Taylor, If. E. of political principles-to which we do not at this `'4,
lius,ey, Thomas Thornhill, George
which were lost in both Houses of Parliament. principle, he thought it not only more convenient for the House, An HON. MEMBER moved that the House be counted oust. •le.,itlei,,etothheisdinsttorteisysesstWraospohsaidngbaeemnezzi;:ldii.;h
_Ict:1(1(
ixt.
(1)If. IZeEkleeha;vesra,s :ii,,,,entiti: I,,..iir,vl),.:;,l2,l,:olititLeitliii.ozi
(~:rniviioi:ii),;:i,
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lngestre, Lord Trevor, Hon. R oaeot most heartily subscribe. We hope, on the °Lila
ieeety Government for the last ten years made and but more releetful to the 8010 Gentleman, himself to take Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and, on our return to Villiers) advised the Hon. Gentleman to etudy the character ' Trade, were appointed to prePare it. Corry, H. L. Irton, S. • Trotter 3. . side, that our prtnciples have undergone no elOnliit
eanetioned the efforts of others, to remove the grievance the sense of the House upon the question, without waiting for the gallery, of that people, before he attempted to practice en them. The Captain PECHELL said he wished to ask the Vice-Pre3i- cresseell, B. Jerinyn, Lord Vere, s'ir CB.
and we must therefore ascribe the opposition in whir
Lincoln, Earl of Verner, Colonel
of Church.rates, and different substitutes were pro- further opportunitiy to discuss that which was wrong in prin- The SPEAKER announced that there were forty Members Hon. Gentleman slid it would raise the indignation of the dent of the Board of Trade a question respecting rough stones. Feieps,
~Ny.
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we stand to the writer of the letter to Helston to seinef
Lindsay, H H. Verne ~ G. H
Ile would therefore venture to oppose the measure in preeent. .
posed ; but it nmst be felt by the Dissenters to be a ciPlen
Lockhart William Waddin ton, H. S. • e
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, the nrst instance. The motion of Captain Pechell was then agreed to. people against that House, if they refused the relief there pro- Ile saw that there was a duty of 2s. 3d. on them, whereas h e I'Lann.a.tnt-' erfr ga.
posed; so that he anticipated the refusal of the proposition, thought they were duty free. He thought there must be some Desart, 'Earl of 'Whitmore, 'l'.
g , thing difitrent from princip.es-to the application
great hardship that, while the
.grievance was admittea
Mr. SHA RMAN CRAWFORD said that having contended DISTRESS IN THE MANUFACTURING DIS- and he condemned the House. He ( Mr. Villiers) could not misconception on the subject. Dooglas, Sir H.
.
end proclaimed, it WWI still continued, because a eubsti- LLooleTt ii er,'''J. H. N‘Nvl
oilibtriaeyh,amH,onH. ojn.s.B. ppfehxl ceidp lecosn
jiunneatn.
rietuopferatil'e.acitrss.tate of society, and a I°l7
much against Church-rates he might be allowed to say a few TRICTS. suppose that the Hon. Gentleman could believe that the House Dr BOWRING said that he believed the mistake origi- Dugliale, w. S. • e
t ule could not be agreed on. Those proposed by Lords nords on the present occasion. The real question at issue was Mr. FERRAND rose, pursuant to notice, to bring forward would grant it. He (Mr. Villiers) could not believe that he need. in an incorrect report which appeared in one of the daily tee . re, George i,Liyagcokiet,n
zHi
eo,nT..Gen.
TELLERS. ,
East, J. Buller Mackenzie, W. F. Hodgson, Richard ! ----- ---
A lthorp and Monteagle may be bad substitutes, but still all the connection of Church and State, in other words, whether a motion for a Committee of the whole House for the purpose was earnest in his propmeition. There were four millions in newspapers. Eliot, Lord Mackinnon, '4V. A. Douglas, Sir C. CORN A VERA G.N.:te
agreed that the abolition of Church-rates was desirable.• there should be a Church established in England and paid by of taking into consideration measures for the relief of the dis. the country-say two or three millions-who required relief, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER read over
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i hey had had recommended from the Throne in 183; the atate,_( Hear, hear.) if they had a right to tithes they tress now prevalent among the working-clastes in the menu- and were suffering the greatest distress. What was a million the various descriptions of stones which were to be imported lIIGH COURT OF JUSTICIARY. For the Week ended June 10, /842, made up from the Bitue,ro
the Inspectors in the different Cities and fawns in Eng)" .
the consideration of -the question of Church-rates, and had a right to Church-rates, but his opinion was that all those facturing districts. The Hon. Gentleman said that the exist- ofmoney to those people ? Every head of a family was supposed duty free-rough stone included.-( Hear, hear. )
11,
in the debate on the Addrees a general understanding practices should be abolished-that no man should be compelled ence of deep distress was admitted upon all hands, while the to-represent five persons. What was a million of money dis- BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. EDINBURGH. i Wales, per Imperial Quarter
~, I Wheat.... ..... 645. 0(1.1 Oats
to vay for the religion of another man. It was upon that prin- manner in which that distress had been borne entitled the tributed amungst those people? The Hon. Gentleman was Mr. WARD said that he had not been able to attend the 2ris. Bd. I Rye
prevailed that there was to be an abolition of
CASE OF WILFUL FIRE RAISING.-Our readers win Barley
Church-rates, and that some substitute would be cipie that he whuld support the propotition of the Hon. Ba- sufferers not only to respect but to a relief of their necessities. violent against the New Pour-law. What had the Pour-law House for a few days, in consequence of indisposi•ion, and remember the subjoined case, of' which an account was AVERAGES OF THE LAST SIX WEEKS.
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~(11Ight and found for the maintenance of the Church. tenet, but in hrts opinion the Hon. Gentleman had not gone He was prepared to prove that night in the House, that the to do wi h the distress of the country? Did not the Hon. Gen- having a motion for Tuesday on the paper, in which many given some time since in The Sun, and in which Harris , Isipek ending WHEAT. EARLEY.' OATS. RTE. I BEANO. ....:,..1
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In the course of the debate in the Session far enough Ile people of Iteland had contended not merely Legislathre of the country had caused. the distress that existed, tleman know that before the present Poor-law was passed the Hon. Members on his side of the House were interested, he Rosenberg and Alithia Benhet or Rosenberg, his wife, ! may 6 6O 827419i5333 31 8 r .#
against Church-rates, but against tithe 3 and they had effected •ind having done so, he thought it was their duty to assist in agricultural labourers were much worse off than now ? Did he t usted that the Right Hon. Baronet would be courteous 13 59 926319631 3 ! 31 0 L'i 4'
et' I 534, on Lord Althorp's motion, la° indisidual
their objeet. He requested that the Ho'n. Baronet, when he r• emovino it. He stated this not only on his Hwr, author.ity, not nnow that those agriculturists were then treated worse enough to allow his motion to stand for
.Tues,dahastheredw°.uld had been convicted at the Circuit Court, held at Aber- i
r'o
Member of the llouse more severely characterised again broueht forward the question, would f d h h hr•
•
put orwar t e ut tat of the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her mars- than the people were in the collieries as described the other not erha sbean o ortunit of moving it otherwise unug '27 6l 10 v 5 11 19 7 31 7 311 I a"
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ld h • ' • ' . P P " y was then accompanied by a recommendation to the . June 3
deen, of svilful fire-raising. The verdict of the Jury
ca 6 26 h 19 7 33 61 12 5 4,c
Chtiech-rates than the present Noble Secretary of the claim which all men not belonging to the Church had to be ty's Government, who, in February of tl resent ear dntd'ht'' H- th te the distress to the operation the session, 10 64 0 2i; 8206319; 33 1 "- '
Colonies ; and with the strong feeling that the Noble Lord exempt Irons the payment of Church-rates. Having professed that distress had been caused by the emileerPation ofytheawomrikineg notlgthe•NetovwPooern. wits% '
ehr: asi. aNNtrjonziitr= IMPERIAL AGGREGATE AVERAGES or THZ SIX - ~ 1?)
had expressed. he could not help believing that he and these) opinions, he would not further trouble the House. classes from the agricultural to the manufacturing districts. than that. He would advisteht aletyutrodfa)t.hneirontiliritg;, a4rlri. tsr,iaill,adwibliecebncopTrznect:l !
,e, , Wheat... ...... 611.- 9d. I Oats ........ I9s. Bd.l Beans.. ...Se: ' 4
ether Members of the Government would think it de- 'Mr. GALLY KNIGHT said the Hen, Gentleman who had What had caused that eminvetion ? Why the Poor-law Bill. that aause, and he would see that there were other laws which if any objection was to be made, he gave an opportunity of until the following Sunday forenoon. Lord Moncreine 1 8ar1ey...a..., 263. 5-cl. I Rye
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sirable to see the termination of this irritable and just sat down appeared to him to have put the question in its After the people had been removed from the agricultural to had caused that distress. This was the opinion of more expe. making it, He thought the Hon. Gentleman might have before whom the trial took Place, in consideration of the I
adsT.rtie'd re.V."lltiewiaehHogna.YGe Ziecnelaonf'}s'inslio7iZoon;hhaet olenilieSl
DITTIES OW roazzuw CORN.
. disturbing question.-(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member, proper light when he stated that the question at issue was the manufacturing districts a stimulus was given to trade ; all rienced men than the Hon. Member. The Hon. Gentleman appointed some friend to make the objection. But he was extraordinary circumstances connected therewith, ah- riaat iis. Od.l Oats
v 10s. .od. I Rye
after referring to the statements of the Noble Lord, thevery existence of the Established church._(He.ao He quite went on prosperously, and during that time the House of Com- seemed to him (Mr. Villiers) to come into that House as the certainly unwilling to take advantage of the Hon. Gentleman's stained from pronouncing sentence, and certified the case 1 "rie - ' 4
agreed with the Hon. Gentleman, that if the Estabh.thed Church mons voted twenty millions of money for emancipating the champion of those laws, and in order to be consistent with that absence, and hearir.g that it would be an act of courtesy tovvards A_Vs
in the debate, observed that he was afraid the House
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, was to be maintained there must be adequate prov .
Piton for its black slaves men whom he wou'd venture to assert w r et . r
would think he was almost needlessly taking up their , , . . eeb ter the acter, he asked for a graet of money, to save the people him and other Hon. Gentlemen opposite, he should accede to
On Tuesday last judgment was accordingly passed ;
' to the High Court of Justiciary.
support. The Hon. Baronet would say " Leave it to depend off, more contented far better provided tor and less slaves than from the consequences of those laws, or rather to save the his proposition.-( Hear, hear.) But he hoped that courtesy • COLONIAL AIARKET. .1- 0
time by alluding to this subject ; but he would ask the upon the voluntary principle." He was willing to admit that the working classe: of England, who wer; at the Present mo- landed proprietors. The poor-rates were increasing in the would not be taken advantage of by others. when Lord Moncrieff, in passing sentence, observed, he
The markets were firm, and a fair business was tranactr
Ilouse, what must the feelings of the Dissenters he, that was an important auxiliary, but they could not depend ment dying at the doors of their masters. Therefore it was he agricultural districts, and the reason was, the people were go- DEAN FOREST ECCLESIASTICAL DISTRICTS did believe that, the atthrnpt was not a
,thing of her (Ali-
the home trade ; but fa Ifppine not much business was A -14.,
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'Olen they heard from the Throne that their grieve upon it as a permanent means otsupport. He could not bring appealed to the House of Commons, the representatives of the ing back, from the manufacturin and commertdal-districts b BILL (ADVANCE OF MONEY). Cita Rosenberg s) contrilance • and with respect to the r•
The imperts are still email. Raw Sugar firm in price, 133•111 k
anees , were to he removed ; when all parties con- himself to believe that the pew-rents, or any other source to people, to do sornetlaing to save then+ from death and slmals, t° their Parishes. He "guld fi"d that the anrieultu On the Earl of LINCOLN moving the Order of the Day wmnan, he thought the Court lottid abstain from a sene fair request • Brown West India was not to be had under Of:
curred that it was a tsiost serious griel•anee, which the Hon. Baronet had referred. would afford sufficient starvation.-(Hear, hear.) The working classes of Eng- were suffering ; and he would tell him another thing, that the for going into Committee on this Bill, tenee of transportation. He would propose in her case per cwt. dood common Ceylon Coffee 765. per cwt. _d,
eud an impost that ought not to be borne ; and funds. After lona' consideration he had come to the conclusion land had been robbed of their property-their only pro. consumption of agricultural produce was diminishing. Weil i Dr. BowRING said that the litill took him by surprise. a sentence of long imprisonment-namely, 01 inf Priso- Rum full rates were paid. Fine Jamaica as. 6d. per gall° d's
that, up to the present time, nothing had eleaturnhoittnee:luild be nadvantageous to the Established perty now was their hands, Did they find such a state of ' mieht he come forward as the champion of the Corn-law, and 'He objected to any grant of the public money for the purposes
paroc ia system. It appeared to him that things before the passing of the poor.law Bill ? Certainly not. asls?for a million of money. Anything that was not a perma- 1 for whieh it was required. merit for two years. . TEA MARKET. '
fiiil:
been done ? Upon the point of its being a grievance, l'h
The COURT having expressed their concurrence, the There was a fair business done, and full rates wore . :,,,.
tchr ethoaultti not (make such a concession as the abolition of The Noble Lord, the secretary for the Colonies, in asking nent relief, was a mockery. This proposal was almost an insult ! Mr. PROTHEROE supported the grant. The interests of
vi unjuetifiable and unnecessary. grievance, there iirch-rates to one particular clasis. H(eLadmitted that the the Il'ouse to grant fifteen millions for the emancipation, told to the people, and was making them paupers. :. et
; Lord Justice-General, in appropriate terms, pronounced Company's Congou, Is. 80. cash.
WRS authority almost amounting to universal concurrence.
1 the Church were the interests of the whole coelmunity.-
time was when the Church was as cep__ augetere_bus no an Hon. Gentleman who asked him why they should give any- Mr. J. EIEATHCOTE said, the masters and manufacturers . (Hear, hear.) The distriets in question were in tv TALLOW MARKET. .
le"
He thought it. would be scarcely said that, whatever complaints could now be made of the manner in which its tl::ng at o'ii, that it was because the laws of England forbad were in as great distress as the work people. ant of I
Tsleanttuerzelito:nngrorritsaitliznbbeeyrogn,dasneda(s)iftierrntplgstoemiolft
The demand wee limited, bat prices were stead, at 4fteess
diffieulties there might be in the way of a remedy, they ministers discharged their duties.-(Cries of "Divide.") I accommodation. on the spot, and 495. to 495. 3d. for delivery in last '7l-, *
tn
y ae to take the property of another without months of the year. Town Tallow 465. 6d. nett cub. ~, e
compensation. mr. waineacE exceedingly regretted the manner in which ! Mr. T. DUNCOMBE did not think they would be justie
were reedy to perpetuate injustice. What he recoils- 'There had not. been so many Church-rate contests as formerl • ;t" ° ' " " .
3. , nat would he say when he (Mr. F. ) asked him to give com- this question had been introduced to the House. Though he ' fied, after having just decided, bY 106 to 6, against a grant of two years in Perth Penitentiary on Alithia Rosenberg.
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mended would be to contribute to the advantage of the (The last part of the Hon. Member's address was quite inau- ' pensation to the working classes ? POLICE' INTELLIGENCE.
The landed proprietors on differed in principle trom.the motion which the Hon. Gentle- money to relieve the distress of tbe people, in now voting away 1 There was a very moderate supply, with a good dataan!' 'lof
caureh, the religion of the Church, and the happiness of slible from the great imPatienee of the House, and the loud cries the south of England n• ad h„eett relieved of a burden to the man had made, he dui think that the public money must, at ' a portion of their money, for it was that, for the PurP°ses f" MARLBOROUGII-STREE7'. az. .. ' r
prices remain without alteration. Clover, 2/. 10s. to eses
the people. These are not to be violated because there of divide, and question.)
amount of 2,200,000/. by the emigration of labourers to the time: be granted to the distressed and starving people ; but, which it was proposed. If the money was requisite there were Edward Mason, a shabbily-dressed young man, was charged Hay, 21. to 4/. ; New Hay, 31. to 31. 35.; Straw, 11. MI ',„11
were difficulties to contend with in consulting the in- Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not. after the speeches north : they emigrated under promises that had never been in hi;opinien, such grants ought to be used only as a last re- the funds in the bands of the Eecle4astical Commissimers and with stealing a sovereign under the followina circumstances :- 1/. 16s. ;e e
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terests of certain parties He remembered on a iermer ef the two Hon. Gentlemen, give his vote without explaining, fulfilled, and the state of the north of England at present was sort. Yet, if he were called upon to divide upon this the 'Queen Anne's Bounty, and °the sources, to which the .
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few words the motives from which he should give it. frightful; thousands of the working classes, including many of grant, though he did not see why he should divide ' might have recourse. He should oppose the grant. COUNTRY CORN MARKETS. ..a.nal
occasion the Honourable Baronet, the Member
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it., onourahle Members seemed to think that there those emigrants, vrere now living on boded nettles, and drink. upon the present occasion, he should divide, though The Earl of LINCOLN was sure that the measure was "ye George
Bethnal-green, shoemaker, stated, that about ten o'clock
Monfort!, of No. 6, Ampton-tilace, Essex-street,
for the University of Oxford, said, in the
on Wednesday night as he was proceedingalong Oxford-street, -----
co Id ot IT an Established Church without Church-rates, and ing the liquor of • them, and lying in bed all day in order to be deeply reeretted the manner in which it had been sentially necessary to relieve the spiritual destitution of the int I Wheat. j Barley. Oats. I Beans. 1.......,1
course of the (legate ten Lord Auckland's motion,
near to Charles-street, Soho-square, with a sovereign
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that the extStence of one must dePend on the existence of the eave their bodies from the exhaustion of walking about. He brought under'the consideration of the House at the time. He . habitants of the Forest of Dean, and if there was any responsi- in his hand, which he had just received f_or some work _Poeguarter.. to ;!) tti to A fti te ;i Ato ;t.) 4r 0
that the Dissenters bore an inconsiderable portion of the other- NoW, •11:ith respect to_ t_wo. portions otf the United believed both parties were to blame for this, in having con- , agreed entirely with what had fallen from the Hon. Member bility in bringing forward the measure he was ready to lneur he had taken home. it slipped between his fingers
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amount of Church-rate& The Iron. Baronet then said Kingdom, they did not exist. In Ireland and Scotland there sented to pass the Poor-law Bill. He believed that the Right i for Wolverhampton, that as far as regarded the proposed grant, thatresoonsibility. Itraintre'; ...
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on the panement, when the prisoner, who was close behind him, 33 I':
that the whole amount of Church-rates was 566,0001. were no Church-rates, and still there was an Established Hon, Baronet had done all in his potter to rescue the people ,or the sum expected to be raised from the Queen's hater that mr LABoucHERE said that as the Hon. Member for instantly fell on his knees and Picked it uP, as he (Preseeu" fit ighton 5B 69 27 92 20 26 33 41
Cambridge - 60 - 25 -. 16 - 29 Ir, I'''.
per year, and that, he believed that the Dissenters did Cnurch ; there was another kind of rate on the land.-(Hear, from their state of distress. In words that ought to be written 1 the would be only as a drop in the great bucket. If the 'Hon Finsbiry had 'stated his dete;mieation te divide the House to;) firmly believed. On the sovereign being demanded r, hichester 5B 65 26 30 20 24 31 36 aasa a' '
not pay more than one quarter of that amount. hear.) Therefore it was not true that there nsust be Church- in gold, he had said that he was one of those who had derived „ 'Saber would divide, he (mr, walinge) should not divid; upon the question, he could not give a silent vote. He could of bim, he denied having it, but on atteraPts being mat
rates. In order to maintain an Established Church, what was their fortune from the industry of the working classes, and he ' against him.--( Hear, hear.) TrTnntitravm '
60 73 28 33 22 28 36 40 '-'" , li',
:For the abuees that he had mentioned, it could be by no
to take it from him by force, he put something in his mout
not allow that the measure involved the principle of Church Grimsby 56 74 .28 33 15 21 36 40 „,„,•*"
means difficult for a strong Governinent, like the present, 1 necessara wa'-', that some Provision should be made by law for hoped others who owed their prosperity to the same cause mr, EscoTT protested against the doctrine that, because Extension. He conceived the Question before the House. had and swallowed it, and directla afterwards said, " Its where You
to devise a remedy. lie believed that the remedy he the maintenance of the fabric of the church, and for the per- would feel it their duty to relieve the public distress by their there happened to be an extraordinary distress for a short time been placed on a fair ground, it-was only enabling the Crown cannot find it now." He was in consequence given in charge Htilatielshir 5O 67 27 34 20 30 34 45 ' ---„. -' .ir
foirmian, cie ofLpublic worshi • but it was no
proposed would be amply suffieientto in eet all the ditlie p , t necessary that there taking on themselves the charge of the classes from whom in the country, grants of public money should be made, which to do that whigh it was the duty of every Government to dos to the Police' Ipswich 54 60 22 23 et 26 29 90 ny n•
a oe
s 10u,,, oe tms Particular form of Church-rates which the non. their prosperity was derived. He would ask whether the money must itself be levied from the pockets of the people, namely to see that the tpirituai wants of persons living on its Mr. HARDwIcKE asked the prosecutor if he mild swear that nivir 5l 62 27 28 18 22 34 36 as_e •
eulties of the case. 7.3:0 oue could be more anxious than
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Gentlemen were so eager to promote. If that were the state manufacturers, who made by the labouring. classes the wealth 1 He thought the speech in which the Hon. Member had intro- . property should be supplied properly. The Crown Possessed
'he was to guard against any injury to the interests of the
he actually saw the prisoner pick up the sovereign? Maidstone 59 67 36 39 26 32 38 40 ~,-; .AA
of the cate, the question was, whether there was such an evil they enjoyed, would desert those classes in their adversity ? 1 duced his motion to the House, was a most mischievous one, ! great property in this district, and it was admitted there was The prosecutor said he could not, but the sovereign certainly N°rwich
Church. The measure which he should propose to the or grievance existing as would induce the House to alter the The manufacturers had stood by and seen the working-people ! For these reasons, he should divide against the Bon. member ; great spiritual destitution. If the subject waa forced to a divi- fell on the sPot over which the Prisoner knelt dnwnt ald when Petworth
House was, in the tirSl place, the abolition of Church- form in which the Church should be maintained, The, Hon. die by the road-side. Look at the amount subscribed by the lat the same time, he did hope that. he, having heard the senti- sion, he should give his eupport to the Bill Of the Noble Lord. Romford . .....
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rates, excepting as far as regarded the arrears of debts Gentlenaan who spoke last said that the old and d f fh 1— 3fr ft,
present mo e menu acturers or t ere lef of the poor :it was a sum utterly un- ments of Hon Members on both s des of the Hou e o tr n 1
t. sss o g y Mr. HAWES contended that the Bill , . .
dld contain the prin.. Mr. UARDWICKE said that there was no doubt but that Tnetford
for the payment of which Church-rates had been pledged. was the best, but still he suggested that there should he some worthy of the case. It was dis f 1 h• Is 1 ..
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grace u t,o tin - how the poor ; expressed, would not press to a division hdhd h ' 1 11 crt• b h
ciples of Church Extension, and it appeared to him to be a the prisoner a a t e sovereign aw swa o wa t h 57 C 3 28 34 18 .1 31 39 '-''' '''
we 1 , ut t e is wc - so nt .
In All cases, where endowments and voluntary subscrip- alteration in the law, and admitted that there were heart- were deluded and oppressed by the menufacturers. The dis- I !Ur. AINSWORTH supported h • • he rose up it was not th.ere.
e motion and would divide manifest attempt to apply public property for the benefit of direct proof of his having done so was deficient, and he must Witham
yarmuuth
tione, were insufficient for keeping churches in repair, he hurtling& That was admitting a 'Teat evil with respect to main- tress of the people had borne heavily upon the mind of the :in favour of the Horn Member fortEnaresbor'ough, if the ques- the Church. Leery attempt to increase the extent of the therefore be discharged. 69 SO 32 24 30 38 40 ,•"'• ' -,
'cling the Church This saw
1, unit' give power to the churchwardens to levy pew tat • her evils the Hon. Baronet Queen, and she had implored all classes to come forward and tion went to a division. Church at the expense of the public, he should firmly and CLERKENWELL. ' LiVERPCOL CORN al ARKET.--dune 14 otarld
WHEAT, English, White, per 701 b.....
msed to remedy He slid not a
routs for thet purpose. In several large parishes i',! 1 I °pose simply to abolish help the poor. Had that appeal been responded to as it ought? 1 Mr. WILLIAMS was of opinion that the course pursued strenuously oppose, because he believed it to be most unjust, James Carrell, a lad of 16, was charged by Mr. Daly, fur. —______ Bed - ,
uh.n.urcb-rates, 1)11,1 t"' make other provision for Certainly not. The Queen would herself have relieved the by the Hon. Member fur Knaresborough that night and his and becatese the funds of the Church itself were amply slat 0 a ot ',', ,
Church-rates had fallen into decline, and he at).
rier, Saffron-street, Clerkenw -- Scotch, Welch, and Manx
the Church. Ho (Lerd John Russell) thought it distresses of the people, but for one obstacle-that obstacle was ; votes upon every subject were strangely incowistent. When- cient for every purpose, without having recourse to the Pockets skin 3, value 50/. It apPeared t:alti. tl'.ivitlPlri: •---- Irish, White 7 6 5. t'' i
toe n a e 1
ii.l t gorrnmearri tyi nasn'
.elsended that no difficulty arose front that
pi . . was fair to make some proeosal for the abolition the British House of Commons. The Hen. Member conehaied ! ever a motion was made in that House to lower the price of of the people. --------- Red 7 0 pt. i
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circumstance in maintaining. churches in repair. If of Church-rates rovided care tras t'ken that sufficient provi- hy moving-. That it is the opinion of this Hou,e that imme- I the provisions of the people, had not thetflon. Member opposed Tee oHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended Foreign
' those who were identified with public worship were mon was seeureYfor the maintenaan his apprentice. Since then he has frequently absented himself OATS, Eriglish. Welsh. and Scotch, per 451 b. 3 0 $4)l,
ee of the Church. He diate measures be taken to alleviate the de lorable di-tress and 'itnhh. w t .? Had he ev herwise grossly mis- last, e
foUnd jObbing, and rnanceuvring nith the money with svould not say whether the provisions the H II b : • • • p . e . 1 wi is i t... . . er once voted for any motion to that if the argunaent of the Hon. Gentleman were a just one, for days together from his business, and ot . .
errand-boy to the cotnplainant, who out of kindness made him
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OIL . em er pro- destitution which now afflict many of the working- classes in the : lower the price of provisions ? that whilst the Church had funds of her own, the people and conducted hirntelf. Wednesday the property in question was
which they were entrusted, it must not only excite anger posed a-ere sufficient or not ;if he found th • -
et nere not he manufacturing districts ; and that an addrets be presented to I Mr FERRAND-Cattle.
miesed ; the prisoner was immediately tuspected, and on in- ___ Scotch and Irish, pet 6tllbs.
the Crown were not to contribute towards her support, the
on the part of those who witnessed it, but must bring relie should vote against the second reading of the Bill. It was not her Majesty, beseeching her Majesty to employ for their tem- I Mr: WILLIAMS did not th'nk that the Hots. Member was landed proprietors might be equally niggardly and refuse to BARLEY, English, Malting, per Imp. quarter 3O 9 i #.1,:,,,f'
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gion itself into contempt, and produce many other evils very likely that the Hon. Gentleman would be able to carry !emery relii;f a ston of money not exceedingonemilf t f ' • hd' • ' f 1 d t f 1 '
ion ser mg, ; in t e 'vision or tle uy o s. a. load upon prize cattle. surport the Church ; if that should hapnen the funds of the quiry
lane off lio?born. BEANS, English, per Imperial quarter 3B ° 50 :•,',",,,
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which they must ull desire to prevent. Let them con- his measure, but he trusted that this grievance of Chnrch-rates and that this House will provide for the same." Mr. FERRAND-I voted for a reduction of the duty upon Church would soon diminish. He should support the Bill. Mr. GREENW6,OI/ said he would remand him until Taesday,
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sider the continual anti-eocial differences which chile wouid not be of many years' duration. He should think the Sir R. PEEL said his only reason for rising was the fear f '
I ()reign cattle. Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know if the clergy eould have 7ient evidence to commit bird then, he PEASE, F.nglisn, per Imierial quarter
:t was found that he recently lodged in a brothel in a
and if there was not sui: 43- d js: ,1
raeterised the vestry system, the legal controversies preuprosal made by: Lord Althorp, to provide a substitute for that the decided opposition which he should offer to this 1 Mr. WILLIAMS did not think that the Hon. Member to erform an • Id•? I h d b tdth • •• • • • wly apprentice.
y increase( unes . t a een sta e at m would purnith him as a &sera,. Foreign
Ch ch-rates out of the üblic revenue wo Id ti 1,
aoua, Enenth, per tteolb.
which were proceeding in all pai ts of the country, the e p . , u e eetter than motion, if it were unace.ompanied by a single word, ' votedfor the propositionof the lowestduty upon cattle.-(Hear. ) thil: district there were 11,000 individuals and onlY three WORSHIP-TREE T.
tne present ) • •
1 ropotition. He hoped If the present measure was ' -- Irish
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fines inflicted on tender consciences ; hunable individuals might be construed into indifference to those severe He was of opinion that the grant for which the Hon. Member clergymen to admininister to their epiritual relief. He should ja,„ Gilifisfis a porter, emploied at a wa;reimuse, in - 0 iiI7,ICAL. Etudisn and Irish,per stows
not Carried the Gove nment would turn thei i h .296 • 03
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ty)ing exposed to difficulties, which pressed. much upon su'nject, and put an end Ch h
to urc -rates by making other pro-
r attent on to t e distresses which were sustained by many of the , had mo„d would only slightly alleviate the existing distresses, like to know how many of those 11,000 were Dissenters, and e- ' h d ith having
themes-street, was c arge w violently assaulted Itn,tA a Conf., ptr 4501 h.
ta a et.
their own comforts and the comforts of their families. vision for the Church. working classes of this country.-(Hear, bear.) But he could I and it Certainly would not strike at the root of the evil. how many Church of England people. He believed he wa and attempted to strangle police constable, G imperial miner
203, and Eliza Rex, per _ . q
. not consent to establish so dan erousa recedent as was inv lv
oed Mr. NI ALT ~t. Imperial quarter ......... ........... .. .....
Surely no man could contemplate the continuance ot all The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, though in the motion of the Hon. Gegntle P COBDEN felt a great interest in the present distress right in saying that the greater numher were Dissenters,s
GrUjiths, the prisoner's wife, was charged with baying attempted . _ . t
n. The Hon Gentleman • ,
these mischiefs, vvithout asking again and again what. he differed from the Noble Lord in the vote which he should' said the landholders in the south tonfaEn land had be • in the country, and he should beg, therefore, to detain the who would not avail themselves of the spiritual relief which i
to rescue him from custody. HAMBURt= MARKETS. AO i
were the objects for which the system was continued ? ti,ve on the present occasion, he agreed with hire. in the prine from a charge of two in'll d g 1 en relieved Houte for a short time whilst he briefly stated his views upon was desired to force ui,on them. Under these circumstances he I a eared from the evidence of the yoliceman, that he was Git A IN.
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fleeting the paltry sum which was contribed by Dis- ciple he laid down, that the essential o.
p int was to secure the it was not ri ht that the burden should f
1 ions an a quarter. f that were true the subject. He thought the motion of the Hon. Member was should vote with his Hon. Friend, the Member for Finsbury.. -
dtetv near 01d-street, on the preceding night, when he was Wneat, Marks 444 to i 09i Barley, meceientsueeh ,e 2 uk ~i,
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_. all upon them There in-, es. • _se e....e.. ...I. . . w • . i _ _ . - on - - -
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nearly in the same words. To old arguments he
certainly could not do otherwise than state old re-
plies. Notwithstanding the attempts of Lord Althorp
in 1834, and of Lord Monteagle, in 1837, nothing
practical had ever been done on this subject.
The first Bill was thrown out almost without
discussion, and the proposal to take the ex-
pense of repairing the Church out of the Con-
solidated Fund, was totally rejected by the great
body of the Dissenters, of whom he believed the
Honourable Baronet was the not unwilling organ.
The lion. Member for Leicester had asked him, how,
with his views refusing to contribute towards the
Dissenters, he could be willing to impose a tax upon con-
science ? Now, he would ask him, in return, if he should
contend, as he had done, that Church-rates were not a
tax on property, because they were fluctuating and fixed
by vestry, how he could distinguish them from Poor-
rates ? and unless the Honourable Baronet could prove
that Poor-rates, because they were fluctuating,
were not a tax upon property, his assertions
would go for nothing. Formerly there certainly was
great opposition to Church-rates, but he did
not think that was the case at present.
He believed the amount of opposition to the Church-
rates was greatly diminished. He believed the number
of cases against the rate now existing in any Court
was less than when the subject was first brought
forward. At all events they had not increased.
41. Hon. Gentleman referred to the small amount of
the rate paid by Dissenters, and used it as an argu-
ment ad rericraidiam. How could lie, said the Hon.
Gentlemen, consent to such a burden fer the sake
of 14,0001. But that told two ways, and he (Sir Robert
'lnglis) sieves made the question one of pountls, shillings,
and pence. His claim was that the Church-rates were
a national tribute to the national Church, and it was
on that ground he argued for their continuance.—(Hear.)
And so far from the people of England thinkin; the payment
of the rate a burden, they considered it one of the highest
privileges to pay it; and only a few years ago 3,188 peti-
tions were presented in favour of them. Nor were these peti-
tions for vague generalities, in which the petitioners were in-
terested, but they spontaneously flowed into the House from
persons asking to he allowed to contribute to the rate. It
would be the same thing to the conscience of an honest Dis-
senter whether the rates were paid from the consolidated fund,
for it would be only a mere transference of the payment from
one body to another of Dissenters. The tax was one of the
oldest in England. The Church-rate was a rate paid by John
Thompson in respect of such a house or field ; and whether
John Smith or John Thompson held the house or field it would
he precisely the same. It was not a poll-tax ; it was not levied
on the individual, but on the person in respect of his property.
With this conviction he could not understand—he did not like
to use in private or in public harsh language—but he could not
understand the honesty of the man who having vurchased of an
auctioneer property, with deductions in respect of land-tax,
church-rates, &e., all coming in regularly the one en the
other—deducting these, by which the value of a house was
estimated, he could not understand the honesty of that man
who having, made the deduction turned round and said his
conscience refused to pay the amount because it had reference
to certain uses. He had not to consider the use to which the
money would afterwards be applied in his payment of a debt. Ile
had to pay his debt however profligate tl:e expenditure he might
enceura,ge in his creditors. The Hon. Baronet bad no objection
to the Church-rate being levied upon pews or sittings in the
Church. In the first place, one of the great privileges of the
people of England was—and which he wished to ex-
tend instead of diminish—that they would have free
access to their parish church. He would not wish to see the
people obliged to pay to go into their parish church the same as
they would to go into a theatre—( Hear)—he would therefore
not consent to a proposition which would have the effect
of keeping the poor people out of their parish churches. The
proposition of the Hon. Baronet was, that taxes should he levied
on seats in parish churches, in rural districts, for the mainte-
nance of the fabrics. He ( Sir R. Inglis) thought that they
ought not to deprive the poor ot the benefit of attending worship
by any such burden, to which at present they were not sub-
jected. He (Sir R. Inglis) objected to the proposition on
principle. He contended, then, that it was inexpedient to grant
the permission which Honourable Gentlemen sought. Fur
those reasons, and believing the Bill to be founded on a vicious
principle, he thought it not only more convenient for the House,
but more respectful to the Hon. Gentleman, himself to take
the sense of the House upon the question, without waiting for
further opportunitiy to discuss that which was wrong in prin-
ciple. He would therefore venture to oppose the measure in
the first instance.
Mr. SH A R.MAN CRAWFORD said that having contended
much against Church-rates he might be allowed to say a few
words on the present occasion. The real question at issue was
die connection of Church and State, in other words, whether
' there should be a Church established in England and paid by
the State.—( Hear, hear.) If they had a right to tithes they
had a right to Church-rates, but his opinion was that all those
practices should be abolished—that no man should be compelled
to say for the religion of another man. It was upon that prin-
ciple that he would support the proposition of the Hon. Ba-
ronet, but in his opinion the Hon. Gentleman had not gone
far enough. The people of Ireland had contended not merely
against Church-rates, but against tithes, and they had effected
their object. He requested that the Hon. Baronet, when he
again brought forward the question, would put forward the
claim which all men not belonging to the Church had to be
exempt from the payment of Church-rates. Having professed
these opinions, he would not further trouble the House.
Mr. GALLY KNIGHT said the Hon. Gentleman who had
just sat down appeared to him to have put the question in its
proper light when he stated that the question at issue was
t he very existence of the Established Church . —( Hear.) He quite
agreed with the Hon. Gentleman, that if the Established Church
was to be maintained there must be adequate provision for its
support. The Hon. Baronet would say "Leave it to depend
upon the voluntary principle." He was willing to admit that
that was an important auxiliary, but they could not depend
upon it as a permanent means of support. He could not bring
himself to believe that the pew-rents, or any other source to
which the Hon. Baronet had referred, would afford sufficient
funds. After long consideration he had come to the conclusion
that nothing could be so advantageous to the Established
Church as the old parochial system. It appeared to him that
they should not make such a concession as the abolition of
Church-rates to one particular class. He admitted that the
time was when the Church was asleep--(Laughter)—but no
complaints could now be made of the manner in which its
ministers discharged their duties.—(Cries of "Divide.")
There had not been so many Church-rate contests as formerly.
( The last part of the Hon. Member's address was quite inau-
dible from the great impatience of the House, and the loud cries
of divide, and question.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not, after the speeches
of the two Hon. Gentlemen, give his vote without explaining,
in a few words, the motives from which he should give it.
Both the Honourable Members seemed to think that there
could not be an Established Church without Church-rates, and
that the existence of one must depend on the existence of the
other. Now, with respect to two portions of the United
Kingdom, they did not exist. In Ireland and Scotland there
were no Church-rates, and still there was an Established
Cnurch ; there was another kind of rate on the land.—(Hear,
hear.) Therefore it was not true that there must be Church-
rates. In order to maintain an Established Church, what was
necessary was, that some provision should be made by law for
the maintenance of the fabric of the church, and for the per-
formance of public worship; but it was not necessary that there
should lie this particular form of Church-rates which the Hon.
Gentlemen were so eager to promote. If that were the state
of the case, the question was, whether there was such an evil
or grievance existing as would induce the House to alter the
form in which the Church should be maintained. The Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last said that the old and present mode
was the best, but still he suggested that there should he some
alteration in the law, and admitted that there were heart-
burnings. That was admitting a great evil with respect to main-
taining this Church. This and other evils the Hon. Baronet
proposed to remedy. He did not propose simply to abolish
Church-rates, but tn, make other provision for
the Church. Ho (Lord John Russell) thought it
was fair to make some proposal for the abolition
of Church-rates, provided care was taken that sufficient provi-
sion was secured for the maintenance of the Church. He
would not say whether the provisions the Hon. Member pro-
posed were sufficient or not; if he found they were not he
should vote against the second reading of the Bill. It was not
very likely that the Hon. Gentleman would be able to carry
his measure, but he trusted that this grievance of Church-rates
would not be of many years' duration. He should think the
proposal made by; Lord Althorp, to provide a substitute for
Church-rates out of the public revenue, would he better than
the present proposition. He hoped if the present measure was
not carried the Government would turn their attention to the
subject, and put an end to Church-rates by making other pro-
vision for the Church.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, though
he differed from the Noble Lord in the vote which he should'
give on the present occasion, he agreed with him in the prin-
ciple he laid down, that the essential point was to secure the
maintenance of the fabric of the Established Church. But he
was not satisfied with the measure proposed, as one likely to
I answer that object. He gave the Honourable Gentleman
opposite credit for his sincerity to provide adequate
tneans for the maintenance of the fabric of the church,
but he failed in his application of those means.—( Hear.
He had before acquiesced in the introduction of a Bill on the
subject, but now the provisions of the previous Bill were stated
in detail, and he was now in a situation to say that they would
defeat the object which the Noble Lord said ought to be kept
in view. The Hon. Gentleman would levy a rate on all seats
and pews except those belonging to the churchwardens ; but
t that was at variance with the Noble Lord's principles. The
doctrine of their religion was, that the Gospel should be preached
to the poor, and they ought not to be prevented from going to
church. He knelt, it would be said that free seats might be pro-
vided. That might apply very well to some modern churches,
where provision was specially made for that purpose, but it
would not do in others. He lived himself in a parish in
which the owners of' cottages had pews, and they did not go into
them as paupers, but with an honest pride that, as parishioners,
they had a right to them. Now, he asked the Hon. Gentle-
man, in the case of a church needing repairs, and the number
of pews being very limited, what was to be done? Was the
churchwarden to estimate the amount to be levied on the pew
holders ? Supposing the church needed 2001. a-vear in repairs,
and there were twenty pews, was the chuich-warden to levy
10/. a-year on each for the purpose of the repairs of the church?
Such a plan he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) never could
support. He would not consent to exclude from the church
those who had a right to a seat there. There would be serious
evils which would give rise to a great degree of hostility and
complaint on the part of those who would be affected, and so
far from rtlieving the complaints on the subject of Church-
rates, those walls would ring with the petitions of those who
would thereby be excluded from their parish churches, and call
on the House for interference.
Mr. O'CONNELL did not agree with what had fallen
from the Honourable Gentleman, particularly where he
pews
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esei Church. He said
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snt taa
kcehsnpu,ar
cient times churches had no pews at all. The Gospel was
then preached without any distinction between the poor man
and the rich man. He (i'sir. O'Connell) differed with the
Hon. Gentleman in the principle of supporting any particular
L
Church by Church-rates. In eland there was an Esta-
blished Church where Church-rates did not exist. There was
a stronger case than this in Ireland. There was a Church
ruled there by a hierarchy without a Government provision—
without Church-rates or legal provision—and yet they had
wealthy Bishops and Archbishops. They were under a hier-
archy; they did not require the support of the State, or the
crutch of the State to bear them up. Would they tell him
that the Protestant Church was able to do so? ifs insisted
that Church-rates were a tax, but not in common-law. It was
a tax created by Act of Parliament, and as such might be re-
pealed. Church-rates for the building of churches were quite
a modern invention. At the time of the Reformation there
were no rates for such a purpose. All the churches were
built on the voluntary principle. At that period there were a
greater number of churches in England than at present. There
-were .55,000 churches, and no less than 44,000 ehantries and
chapels of ease, and every one of them built on the voluntary
principle. What a contrast England presented in this re-
spect" now. But to return to the tax ; it was one
imposed for a limited purpose, and every man had
a right to seek to be freed from it. And what were the
objections to it ? It was 'Oust the conscience or 4 Christiim

Sir JOHN EASTHOPE rose to bring forward the
motion of which he had given notice, with regard to
Church-rates. He expressed his extreme regret that this
question had not been taken up by her Majesty's
Government; he was surprised that it had not been one
of the questions considered by the present Government,
an the Right Hon. Baronet had himself avowed, in
former discussions on this subject, that it was
a most important one ; and he was, therefore, jus-
tified in supposing it one likely to eugage the attention
of the Government at the earliest moment
it could give to its consideration. In the session of
1835, the Right Hon. Baronet had borne witness to the
importance of the question, and it was from that con-
sidered that this would have been one of the questions
that he would have brought before Parliament, had net
his stay in office been cut short. It was naturally, then,
a. cause of regret and surprise that the Right
lion. Baronet, with all the power to execute his own
will, had not brought it forward ; and it was difficult to
conceive what causes could make it less important now
then at that time. In a speech delivered on that
occasion, the Right Honourable Baronet said that,
without undervaluing the importance of the Municipal
Corporations Bill, he must observe that the Church-rates
question was fully equal to it in emergency, and for the
sake of the continuance of harmony, and the pro-
motion of satisfactory feelings among the great body
of the Dissenters, there was no single question, with
the exception of that of the Irish Church, which so
immediately pressed for settlement.—(Hear, hear.)
He hoped he did not unnecessarily- take up the time of
the House in calling its attention to what were the
opinions of the Right lion. Baronet on former occasions.
When the subject was brought forward by Lord Aithorp,
the Right Hem Baronet told the Noble Lord that he was
;teed to proceed with the subject, and ought not to
leave it a matter of contention for years. The Right
Honourable Gentleman. in the year 1525, said
it almost eillutinted to a dereliction of duty to
allow the matter to proceed for such a length
time without a remedy; and yet, year after year, it had
gooe on without a remedy. And, perhaps, it would he
e waste of time to go through the reasons which pre-
eented it bring settled. It had been the desire of the
Noble Lord, the Member for London, and those who
ached with him, to have this question settled, but
ho had obstacles to meet him which were not in
the way of the Right Honourable Baronet, who
had powerful majorities in both Houses of Par-
liament. But it was no part of his duty to detail
any course that might have been pursued with regard to
this question. lie only wished to ask whether the sub-
ject was not es important now as when the Right Hon.
Baronet made those statements ? It had been declared
alto by parties in the House that Church-rates were a
grievance on the Dissenters ; and the only question was,
-what was to be substituted for them. In 1834, Lord
Spencer, and, in 1837, Lord Monteagle, brought for-
ward measures :or the abolition of Church-rates,
which were lost in both Houses of Parliament.
Every Government for the last ten years made and
sanctioned the efforts of others, to remove the grievance
of Church-rates, and different substitutes were pro-
posed ; but it must be felt by the Dissenters to be a
great hardship that, while the grievance was admitted
end proclaimed, it was still continued, because a substi-
tute could not be agreed on. Those proposed by Lords
A lthorp and Monteagle may be bad substitutes, but still all
agreed that the abolition of Church-rates was desirable.'
They had had recommended from the Throne in 1837
the consideration of -the question of Church-rates, and
in the debate on the Address a general understanding
prevailed that there was to be an abolition of
Church-rates, and that sonic substitute would be
ought and found for the maintenance of the Church.
in the course of the debate in the Session
1534, on Lord Althorp's motion, no individual
Member of the House more severely characterised
Church-rates than the present Noble Secretary of the
Colonies ; and with the strong feeling that the Noble Lord
had expressed. he could not help believing that he and
ether Members of the Government would think it de-
sirable to see the termination of this irritable and
disturbing question.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member,
after referring to the statements of the Noble Lord,
in the debate, observed that he was afraid the House
would think he was almost needlessly taking up their
time by alluding to this subject ; but he would ask the
House, what must the feelings of the Dissenters be,
when they heard from the Throne that their griev-
ances, were to be removed ; when all parties con-
curred that it was a most serious grievance,
cud an impost that ought not to be borne ; and
that, up to the present time, nothing had
been done ? Upon the point of its being a grievance,
as unjustifiable and unnecessary grievance, there
was authority almost amounting to universal concurrence.
lie thought it. would be scarcely said that, whatever
difficulties there might be in the way of a remedy, they
were reedy to perpetuate injustice. What he recom-
mended would be to contribute to the advantage of the
Church, the religion of the Church, and the happiness of
the people. These are not to be violated because there
were difficulties to contend with in consulting the in-
terests of certain parties He remembered on a termer
"evasion the Honourable Baronet, the Member
for the University of Oxford, said, in the
course of the debate on Lord Auckland's motion,
that the Dissenters bore an inconsiderable portion of the
amount of Church-rates. The lion. Baronet then said
that the whole amount of Church-rates was 566,0001.
per year, and that, he believed that the Dissenters did
not pay more than one quarter of that amount.
For the abuses that he had mentioned, it could be by no
means difficult for a strong Government, like the present, '
to devise a remedy. lle helieved that the remedy he
proposed would be amply suftieientto ro vet all the diffi-
eulties of the case. No one could be more anxious than
1;e was to guard against any injury to the interests of the
Church. The measure which he should propose to the
House was, in the first place, the abolition of Church-
rates, excepting as far as regarded the arrears of debts
for the payment of which Church-rates had been pledged.
In All cases, where endowments and voluntary subscrip-
thins were insufficient for keeping churches in repair, he
a null give power to the churchwardens to levy pew '
rents for that purpose. In several large parishes !
Church-rates had fallen into decline, and he ap•
prehended that no difficulty arose from that
circumstance in maintaining churches in repair. If
those who were identified with public worship were
found jobbing and manceuvring with the money with
which they were entrusted, it must not only excite anger
fin the part of those who witnessed it, but must bring reli-
gion itself into contempt, and produce many other evils
which they must all desire to prevent. Let them con-
sider the continual anti-social differences which chit-
rataerised the vestry system, the legal controversies
which were proceedine- in all pay is of the country, the
fines inflicted on tender consciences; humble individuals
being exposed to difficulties, which pressed. much upon
their own comforts and the comforts of their families.
Surely no man could contemplate the continuance of all
these mischief's, without asking again and again what•
were the objects for which the system was continued ?
Recollecting the paltry sum which was eontribed by Dis-
senters, it was impossible that the strongest supporter of
the Church could fail to perceive that the miseries en-
tailed were unequal to the advantages desired.
The Hon. Baronet, the Member for the University of
Oxford, anti others had stated that that was felt to be a
question of property. But he (Sir J. Easthope) hoped
that that doctrine was now exploded. The decision
in the Ecclesiastical Courts must have gone far
to destroy such a notion. How was it possible
that anybody could seriously contemplate, as a •
question of property, that which depended upon the num-
ber of individuals attending the Parish Vestry at Easter,
and upon the accidental ; circumstances whether there
happened to be more Diesenters or Churchmen' present
--more friendly to the continuance of the rate
or inimical -to it a. flow. any person contemplated
it as a question of property, at. the same time seeing
that it depended upon such a contingency, he was
ntterly at a loss to imagine. Then, if it were looked
upon as a question of privilege, ..howing the pre-eminence
and authority of the Church, what possible advantage
he would ask, ceuld the Church derive from
94 lug to those et ho differed from her—" We
have the power of making you
,pay for cur support
and we shall exercise that power ?' Such an assumption
was totally- at variance with every 'Christian and
benevolent feeling. It was so fraught with mischief,
and with all those inconveniences which hadbpdeeen
11:
often deprecated in that House, that he ho
should hear no more of it. He could scarcely think
any individual in that House would now attempt to
justify a continuance of Church-rates on the ground
either of its being a question or property, or on the still
snore important ground of its being a question by which
the Church could exhibit her principles and power.
lie , felt that he should best consult his own
feelings upon the question by not taking up
ally longer the time of the House. The subject had
been so often debated—the merits and demerits of the
question were, he was persuaded, so fully and so generally
undmetood—the belief was so universal that the tax
wee. a gerievance upon Dissenters, unredeemed by
any positive good to the Church—the rate was so
violently- and so bitterly disputed, that he only
felt it necessary to conclude at once by moving for leave
to bring in " a Bill to abolish Church-rates, and make
t eher provisions for the maintenance of Churches and
Chapels in England and Wales."
MESSAGE FROM THY LORDS.
The debate was interrupted by a' Messagefrom the
e—
o Lords, bringing down several private Bills, and the Wit-
nesses Indemnity Bill, which had been agreed to without
any amendments.

Mr. FERRAND rose, pursuant to notice, to bring forward
a motion for a Committee of the whole House for the purpose
of taking into consideration measures for the relief of the dis•
tress now prevalent among the working-classes in the manu-
facturing districts. The Hon. Gentleman said that the exist-
ence of deep distress was admitted upon all hands, while the
manner in which that distress had bean borne entitled the
sufferers not only to respect but to a relief of their necessities.
He was prepared to prove that night in the House, that the
Legislature of the country had caused the distress that existed,
and having done so, he thought it was their duty to assist in
removing it. He stated this not only on his own authority,
but that of the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majes-
ty's Government, who, in February of the present year admitted
that distress had been caused by the emigration of the working
classes from the agricultural to the manufacturing districts.
What had caused that emigration ? Why the Poor-law Bill.
After the people had been removed from the agricultural to
the manufacturing districts a stimulus was given to trade; all
went on prosperously, and during that time the House of Com-
mons voted twenty millions of money for emancipating the
black slaves, men whom he would venture to assert were better
off, more contented, far better provided for, and less slaves than
the working classes of England, who were at the present mo-
ment dying at the doors of their masters. Therefore it was he
appealed to the House of. Commons, the representatives of the
people, to do something to save theta from death and
starvation.—(Hear, hear.) The working classes of Eng-
land had been robbed of their property—their only pro-
perty now was their hands. Did they find such a state of
things before the passing of the Poor-law Bill ? Certainly not.
The Noble Lord, the Secretary for the Colonies, in asking
the House to grant fifteen millions for the emancipation, told
an Hon. Gentleman who asked him why they should give any-
thing at ali, that it was because the laws of England forbad
any o'ae to take the property of another without compensation.
IVhat would he say when he (Mr. F.) asked him to give com-
pensation to the working classes ? The landed proprietors of
the south of England had been relieved of a burden to the.
amount of 2,200,000/. by the emigration of labourers to the
north : they emigrated under promises that had never been
fulfilled, and the state of the north of England at present was
frightful; thousands of the working classes, including many of
those emigrants, were now living on boiled nettles, and drink.
ing the liquor of them, and lying in bed all day in order to
save their bodies from the exhaustion of walking about. He
believed both parties were to blame for this, in having con-
sented to pass the Poor-law Bill. He believed that the Right
Hon. Baronet had done all in his power to rescue the people
from their state of distress. In words that ought to be written
in gold. he had said that he was one of those who had derived
their fortune from the industry of the working classes, and he
hoped others who owed their prosperity to the same cause
would feel it their duty to relieve the public distress by their
taking on themselves the charge of the classes from whom
their prosperity was derived. He would ask whether the
manufacturers, who made by the labouring classes the wealth
they enjoyed, would desert those classes in their adversity ?
The manufacturers had stood by and seen the working-people
die by the road-side. Look at the amount subscribed by the
manufacturers for the relief of the poor: it was a sum utterly un-
worthy of the case. It was disgraceful to think how the poor
were deluded and oppressed by the manufacturers. The dis-
tress of the people had borne heavily upon the mind of the
Queen, and she had implored all classes to come forward and
help the poor. Had that appeal been responded to as it ought?
Certainly not. The Queen would herself have relieved the
distresses of the people, but for one obstacle—that obstacle was
the British House of Commons. The Hen. Member concluded
by moving--" That it is the opinion of this House that imme-
diate measures he taken to alleviate the deplorable distress and
destitution which now afflict many of the working- classes in the
manufacturing districts ; and that an address be presented to
her Majesty, beseeching her Majesty to employ for their tem-
porary relief a su.n of money not exceeding onemillion sterling,
and that this House will provide for the same."
Sir R. PEEL said his only reason for rising was the fear
that the decided opposition which he should offer to this
motion, if it were unaccompanied by a single word,
might be construed into indifference to those severe
distresses which were sustained by many of the
working classes of this country.—(Hear, hear.) But he could
net consent to establish so dangerous a precedent as was involved
in the motion of the Hon. Gentleman. The Hon. Gentleman
said the landholders in the south of England had been relieved
from a charge of two millions and a quarter. If that were true
it was not right that the burden should fall upon them. There
was no mode of relieving the poor hut taxation, and taxation
must fall in a great measure upon the labouring and consuming
classes.—( Hear, hear.) Nothing could he mere contrary to all
sound principle than to tax the great body of the community
for the temporary relief of particular classes. One consequehce
of this would be the suspension of local relief.—( Hear, hear.)
It would relieve those who were bound, by every moral and
social duty, to make every exertion for the alleviation of the
suffering around them—( Hear)—exertions from which alone
any real alleviation could be expected.—(Hear.) He would
not go further into the subject. The Hon. Member for Knares-
borough had acknowledged that one pathetic story with which
he had pained the feelings of the House was without foundation
( Hear, hear)—and he trusted that this would be a caution to
the Hon. Gentleman not again to make such statements.—
( Hear, hear.) He agreed with the Hon. Member that the
distress was such that there was a strong claim upon the
affluent--(Hear, hear)—and however small had been the
contributions, few could have an idea how great a quantity of
suffering had been relieved.—(Hear.)- He hoped that the
landed, as well as manufacturing proprietors, would listen to
the appeal that had been made.—( Hear, hear.) He trusted
that the opposition which he made to the motion would not be
construed into a want of sympathy with the distress.—
( Hear, hear.) He could assure the Hon. Gentleman that
her Majesty and her Ministers (although silently) were en-
deavouring to assuage the sufferings of those who were exposed
to such painful distress.--( Hear.)
Mr. F. MA ULE concurred with the Right Hon. Baronet,
and begged to caution the Hon. Member for Knaresborough
against the dangerous tendency of those unfounded accusations
which he had made against that class (the manufacturers) to
whom this country owed so much of its greatness and strength.
Dr. BOWRING would occupy the House with only one
observation, in defence of that excellent man, Mr. Ashworth,
of Bolton, to whom the Hon. Member for Knaresborough had
so injuriously alluded.—( Hear.) The persons who, by Mr.
Ashworth's advice, had emigrated from the south, where
wages were low and employment was scarce, were now in a
state of great comparative comfort.--( Hear.)
Captain POLHILL hoped the Hon. Member for Knaves.
borough would withdraw his motion. He thought the Right
Hon. Baronet would, if this proposition were negatived, advance
some relief out of the public funds, in his capacity as Prime
Minister.

Sir R. PEEL said his Hon. Friend had certainly mistaken
him, as he altogether objected to any vote of public. money to-
wards ameliorating public distress. He regretted that distress
as much as any person in that House.
:11r. WARD gave great credit to the Right Iron. Baronet
for au earnest desire to ameliorate the distress ; but he thought
that the motion of the Hon. Member for Knaresborough would
tend to aggravate the distress which the Right Hon. Baronet
lamented. Ile (Mr. M ard) had received a letter from one of
his constituents, who stated that no over estimate could be
formed of the spread of &stress throughout the country. He
rose briefly to say that the tariff had taken a step in the
the right way, but it did not go far enough. It extended
trade, more especially the trade with the United States. Six
rears ago, in 1836, no operative was nnemploved in Sheffield,
but since that time the progress had been continually down-
wards. No effort of industry had been able to make good
the ground they had lost. In 1536 there was no individual
relieved from what %vas called the casual relief fund, and dur-
ing the present year in one week the amount of relief granted
had been'2.99/. ; in another 3507., 370/., and 4001. ; and the
last three weeks it amounted to 1,1151. -This was the account
he received fi.ain a very eminent manufacturer of Sheffield,
who was connected with the United States. His conviction
was, that nothing but an altered line of policy PA the part of

Mr. WILLIAMS did not think that the Hon. Member was
in the division for the duty of ls. a load upon prize cattle.
Mr. FERRAND—I voted for a reduction of the duty upon
foreign cattle.
Mr. 'WILLIAMS did not think that the Hon. Member
votedfor the proposition of the lowest duty upon cattle.—( Hear. )
lie was of opinion that the grant for which the Hon. Member
had moved would only slightly alleviate the existing distresses,
and it certainly would not strike at the root of the evil.
Mr. COBDEN felt a great interest in the present distress
in the country, and he should beg, therefore, to detain the
House for a short time whilst he briefly stated his views upon
the subject. He thought the motion of the lion. Member was
like playing with firebrands upon a barrel of gunpowder. In
the first place there was not the slightest hope that the tariff
would lessen the price of provisions, or at all alleviate the dis-
tress.—(oh, oh.) It was because he heard Hon. Gentlemen
say " oh, oh," that he wished them to know the facts. lie
said that there were more persons unemployed to-day than
ever there were before; food was dearer, and commerce arid
manufactures were in a worse position than they had ever been
befere. They had been told that the manufacturers allowed
their men to starve at their doors ; what was the state of the
manufacturers themselves? Let them look at Stratford ; there
were 29 concerns closed there, and scarcely one of the proprie-
tors was an Anti-Corn-law League man, but they were
nearly all supporters of Hon. Gentlemen opposite. He would
mention one instance in particular. There was one concern
in Stratford, which, seven years ago, was considered to be
worth 100,001)1. ; the senior of the establishment retired,
thinking himself worth that sum, and teat man's son was now
now in the receipt of parish relief. A 2s. rate now was not
worth a quarter so much as it was a few years age ; it was not
worth two-thirds so much as a 6d. rate was a short time since,
and the reason was that the people were too poor to pay the
rates. Out of a rental of 16,000/. a-year, rates were only paid
upon 30,0001. a-year. The capital of the manufacturer con-
sisted almost entirely of machinery and appliances for aiding
them in their manufactures. M'Culloch said that there was
20.000,000/. sunk in that kind of capital ; but, ho;vever valu-
able that might be to the country when trade was prosperous,
it was of no value whatever when trade ceased. He (Mr. C.)
told the House nine months ago that the capital of Lancashire
was not then worth two-thirds of what it was six years ago;
and now he told them, and he told it for a fact—for he did
not make statements without first inquiring into their
correctness--that it was not worth one-third so much as
it was six years ago. This was a most perilous
state of things, and deeply concerned every Member upon the
other side of the House who possessed an acre of land. In the
Chamber of Commerce at Manchester, these things were fore-
told some time ago, a petition was sent from that Chamber
warning that House of the evils which were seen to hang over
the country, and that petition was the origin of the Anti-Corn-
law League. But Manchester now was not in a worse condi-
tion than other quarters of the country. Let them take the
Midland Counties; there the men were not working above half
their full time. Look at the mining districts ; wages were con-
stantly diminishing,
and the colliers were employed, perhaps,
twice a week. In the whole of the w extern counties, people and
things were in the same wretched state. Go to the glove trade,
and they would find no machinery at work, all was dead there.
Turn again to the watch trade at Preston, and they would find
that 200 people out of 1,000 were summoned for the payment
of rates, and though a complete watch movement might
be purchased for four shillings and sixpence, there were
positively no buyers. It became that House at once, and he
exhorted thorn not to separate till they had done something
avowedly to give contentment and relieve the distresses of the
country. They must not, they could not, wait till next spring
for relief; the lion. Member for Sheffieli, said that the Hight
Hon. Baronet must reconsider the Corn-laws by next spring;
he ( Mr. Cobden) eeid they could not wait till then ; a starving
people could not be put off till spring.—( Hear, hear. ) He en-
treated the Right lion. Baronet not to think of dismissing the
Parliament till some permanent relief should be afforded. He
entreated him to consider how different was the position of the
country now to what it was lest spring ; then they had some
hopes from the measures which:the Right Hon. Gentleman had
promised so solemnly carefully to mature ; now they had no
promise of relief, and they had no hopes. But patient as the
people had been, and much lauded as they had been for it, that
House might depend upon it that the more terrible now would I
be their despair.—(Hear, bear.) Let the Bight lion. Baronet

Mr. HARDY contended that the spiritual instruction to be
obtained in the Church of England, was better or as good as that
to be received at any other place of worship.—( Cries of'' Ques-
tion, question.") As long as they had an Established Church
to which the Queen was obliged to belong, he thought they
were bound to support it. He should, therefore, support
the motion.

Mr. HUME could not see upon what principle ner Majesty's
Ministers came forward with such an unprincipled proposal as
that nor/ before the Houso.—(Laughter. ) The question now
was, whether they would vote out of the Exchequer funds to
establish four new livings, and at time when the public
were called on to pay so heavily to the income tax ? Did the
House know how much it had voted? It was a perpetual an-
nuity of 3001. a-year for the use of the clergy, and a further
sum for the repair of churches, amounting in value to 10,5001.
Was there a sufficiency of surplus in the public revenue for
this purpose ? They were told last night that it was the duty
of those deriving revenue from land to provide for the religious
instruction of those living upon it? Where did that doctrine
obtain ? What owner of ten thousand acres ever acted upon
it ? He, therefore, opposed the grant, as an unjustifiable appli-
cation of the public money.
The House then divided, when the numbers were,

James Carrlll, a lad of 16, was charged by Mr. Daly, fur-
rier, Saffron-street, Clerkenwell, with stealing 86 martins'
skioe, value 50/. It appeared that the prisoner was formerly an
errand-boy to the complainant, who out of kindness made him
his apprentice. Since then he has frequently absented himself
for days together from hi 4 business, and otherwise grossly mis-
eenducted himself. Wednesday the property in question was
missed ; was fund
was immediately Pintasuseced, and on in-
quiry :t was found that he recently lodged
lane off lie?born.
Mr. GREENIV6,OD said he would remand him until Tuesday,
and if there was not surUeient evidence to commit bins then, he
would puniehlim as a disordeele apprentice.
WORSHIP- TRE ET.
James Gil.ffiths, a porter, employed at a warehouse in
Thames-street, was charged with having violently assaulted
and attempted to strangle police constable, G 203, and Eliza
GrUjiths, the prisoner's wife, was charged with having attempted
to rescue him from custody.
It appeared from the evidence of the policeman, that he was
on duty near Old-street, on the preceding night, when he was
called upon to quell an uproar occasioned by the violent conduct
of the prisoner who was engaged in beating his wife in a most
unmerciful manner. He remonstrated with him upon his un-
manly and brutal behaviour, and desired him to desist ; but the
prisoner set him at defiance, and said that as the woman was
his wife, he had a right to treat her as he thought proper, at
the same time making a practical assertion of his assumed pre-
rogatite by striking her another violent blow. The police-
man then seized him by the collar, upon which the prisoner
turned round and struck him a severe blew under the
ear, and after a short struggle succeeded in breaking away
from hire, but the officer pursued him as far as his own
door, and was about to secure him, when his poor,injured wife
forced them,
herself between and having pushed the prisoner
into the house, she fastened the door against her protector.
After procuring assistance, the policeman broke open the door,
and entered the house, when the prisoner assailed him with
some instrument, which he threw down on being closed with,
and thrust both his hands tinder the policeman's stock and
pinned him against the wall. The policeman was unable to
move, and the prisoner pressed his knuckles against his throat
with so much violence, that his breath was stopped, ands quan-
tity of blood guelied out of his mouth and nose. Some of his
brother officers ran to hie essistence when he was on the point
of being strangled, and dragged the prisoner away, but it re-
quired the combined exertions of seven men to convey him to
the station-house.
Sergeant Hull stated that the policeman had been attended
by a surgeon, and the injury he had received would prevent him
from resuming his duties foi some days. Several other officers
whom the prisoner had assaulted Weee in waiting.
Mr. BINGHAM said, that before hearing any additional
evidence, he wished to know vsliether the prisoner had anything
violenceP
to say in extenuation of his outrageous conduct.
The prisoner, with much apparent
guilty, and which he attributed to the maddening efteees of the
hp h
would not attempt to jtistify the
liquor he had been drinking. He begged the Magistrate to
eoliwte hnict::
e, said
ad been
that he
deal with him as leniently as possible, in consideration of hi..
previous good character, and the punishment he would sustain
in the loss of his situation, as his employers would meth/seep
him another hour in their service after such conduct.
A respectable looking person stepped forward, and said that
he had known the prisoner for some years, and when he was
in a sober state a more peaceable and well-conducted man did
not exist.
Mr. BIN.GHAM said, that if it had not been far the good
character that was given of him, and the extreme contrition he
exhibited, he should most certainly have committed the pri-
soner for trial; and he was afraid the punishment that he was
about to inflict was far from being adequate to the serious
nature of the offence. He should require the prisoner to pay a
fine of 405., or be committed fur one month to the House of
Correction.
The prisoner was locked up in default of payment, and his
wife was discharged.

Wneat, Marks 444 to 09i
Magtiebure 405 t. stisl
-- Anitalt, white 4N') to :,:25+
--.- red ... 405 .to 525
BrunsMek i 4 to 5129

MARKETS. 169
A IN. j too
1, Barley, Mecklenour
Alagdeburghg h
;';',3 to o.aijtil
Holstein jCsto 10 „I
Odetbruck ...... to
Oats, Eider l4 oto '4
-- 4
Mecklenburg t,
-- Holstein .13!, tO5O.
Upland
F rase, Mecklenburg •••
Beano 2ll g"
Luck Wheat to
, I
Ra,eseed, Hanover .65 t
Malr
Tares
lON. 6
Mar:•oham • 44
Madras 01 6
Swats.
Domingo
.c 4%
FEE.
'Domingo
Le Guavra
Porto Rico
Havannah
onh 813 Discount.)
Banta, White .............•1%
Brow.l
Pernambuco, White ..I% ,J 0,4
Win "
2N, to 221 i

For going into Committee ' ...,. l6l
Against it
Majority --76
Mr. HUME wished to know on what principle they were to
vote that this sum of 10,5001. should be placed at the disposal
of the Church. . .

-- Mecklenburg 4fB to h. 16
--- Polish OO to sfii
-- Holstein
Rye, Mecklenburg ',46 to 249
- Marks 252 to 2$
-- Lining and Ko_
nigsburg t.24 to 28II'
- Pomeranian 2.4 tot6l
Anhatt
con:
Carolina and Tennessee 71,(t0 9%
Georgia, let suit ..... 7 8
2d . 6'4 6N
3cl and 4th 4% f;
COF I
Mocbs . - Pi to 13% I
Batavia 4 5%

Sir R. PEEL said, although the matter had already been
fully discussed, he had no objection whatever to answer the
question. The principle upon which the proposal was grounded
was this. They admitted that the public had temporary pos-
session of the property ; they admitted that the Crown had no
right over it. The public, there represented by Parliament,. wasin temporary possession of an estate of 25,000 acres, containing
a population of 11,000 people. There were three clergymen
there, whose income was 75/., and great demands were made
upon their services. They did not think it unreasonable that
a revenue should be raised out of this estate in order to increase
the incomes of the existing clergy to 150/. a-year. A popula-
tion of 11,000 inhabitants if collected in a town might be 'pro-
perly attended to by three clergymen ; but considering that
they were spread over 25,000 acres, they thought that four
clergymen would not be an unreasonable number, and they did
not think it unreasonable that they should each have 150/. a.
year.—( Hear, hear.) He very much doubted whether, apart
from moral and spiritual considerations, they would not be
amply repaid for expending the proposed sum. Unless it
were proper to have a set of outlaws upon the estate, he thought
that 300/. a-year was in a mere temporal point of view as wise
an outlay as they could make.
Mr. WALL ACE said his Hon. Friend had stated yesterday
in plain language that he did not at all object to the salary
of 1501. a-year, if a fair proportion were applied to the Dis-
senters. If the Right Hon. Gentleman would promise to
provide religious instruction for the Dissenters, in proportion to
their numbers, he (Mr. Wallace) would not oppose the vote,
whether it came out of the Church funds, or out of the funds
of the Crown ; but he could not consent to devote the whole
amount to the Established Church.

Sumatra
:234 5%
Bahia

SUOA IC:— (Wit.
Havannah, White .t to 3%
Brown 3!5 2j
Rio, White 2?l, 4
Brown , ll4
Brows

111(1
Mn. AND MISS :11. B. HAWES'S Col 1-11.,,11 • nof
annual concert of Mr. and Miss M. B. Hawes wan giv",:oinera-I,''
as
nesdhy in the Queen's-room, qturiiri
and fhionable audience. Mr. Hanover-s John Parry's uare,
"it d the:en'
and " Mama is so very particular," greatly enlisren., rid
cert. The superb " 0 God, have mercy upon !tie', de? Pit
delssohn Bartholely, sung by Miss Hawes, called doll mr.,•
to.
plaudits. _Miss Fanny Russell, Miss Birch, allu,rbe I°,le.
Loder also sang some equally charming sonV• • alslti be -1
mental performers were, Madame Dulcken, Mr. Luld on Y
Blag,rove, and the Messrs. Loder, whose names Pe'
mentioned as warranty fcr taeir execution.

Leslo
BIRTHS. ,
‘l,`nt the 13th inst., the lade of Captain Sir Henri' of s-1I
Baker, Bart., C 8., of Dunstable House, ;:liehnionu,_„' 0011
On the •‘,2th ult., at Corfu, the lady 'of Alexannc` 14
°*
ton Lontghtlan, Esq., of a daughter. the 8 '
On the P..lth iiab,, at Montpellier-toad, Brighton'
'Airs. Anderson', of a on. . o°l Vs. •
On the 14th inst., iit 11Iuswell-hill, Mrs. led`
Wintls6r, of a son.
On the 14th inst., Mrs, J. F. Davis, Charlotteitreet'
f 0,
ford-square, of a daughte Spondon, Derbyshire, thr. .130 °
On the 14th inst., at
of 1
H. R. Co Esq. gins of a daughter. Plilia°°•
On the , ltith t., at Brook-green, .I%lrs.
daughter.

or
OS •,,,
MARRIED. eve, ,kistrt-
On the 14th inst., at Woolwich, William Congr to ' of
the late Sir Joseph Mac Lean, of the RoNal ArtillerY. A,
Frances,Chi,.i, only daughter of the late William Tire
,ester. retevaot-
D7/71)
On the 22d of April, at King:A n, Jamaica, -.ip.(13.0'd ,
Colonel Charles Markham, 2d battalion 60th flitle:irrilt 13 e
On the 10th inst., at I.,}ndhurst, /Wits, Fie 94'0
Esq., jun., aged 43. n.viest .. ~,
On the 12th inst., at Cabalva, 'Radnor, W., '-'7,,,, Se'.
On the 11th inst.. If s•, A. cs ilf.w of t"e
Pillans, 0; I,,arli•_Hrt, ~. ' ..„-0 on
London: Printed ;.-,nd Published by l'oltlßV-)1, strai
No. 11.2, Strand, at The 5,44 OgiCe, N° I 1t142.
the Counts of Middlesex, Friday, June 17, •

CHURCH-RATES.
The House then resumed, and
f3ir H. 11. INGLIS rose. He said be believed no
spixich that bad been delivered in that House during the
session had been so easily made as the speech
lust deliVered by the Hon, Member. Ile believed
If any other Honourable Gentleman had taken up the
volume of Hansard .fUr the 25th of M4y,1841, he would
have found riot Merely . the same arguments that had
just been offered, but the same ornaments and the -seine
quotatioU. from the speeches delivered by others, and

DISTRESS IN THE COUNTRY.—FALMOUTH, JUNE
14.—There are at least from 4,000 to 5,000 men out of employ
in the mining districts west of Truro, with a considerable
number of women, boys, and girls, whose avocations are con-
nected with the mines in these parts. The want of employ-
ment arises from the stoppage of several mines recently ; 'some
because of the low market price of tin ; (Akers from the panic
created among tLe sharvbolders by the rn.vv t,riff did, on to-
; by
levels in not a few of the remainder. No one can caiculate on
the results, the mf;nds of the mining population having been
for some time past in a critical state, and of which the authori-
ties are fully aware,

Mr. PROTIIEROE said it was stated by Mr. Elijah
Waring, in the Report of the Commissioners, that the people
generally were much attached to the Established Church.
The question having then been put, that the Speaker shnuld
leave the chair, the Iluuse uiv:Ll.,d; when there app'•',:-6.j,
For the motion
Against the motion
Majority for the motion
The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill.