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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

II1)USE OF LORDS, July 8.
Thar Lord,hips met at Five o'clock.
NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.
Lord BROUGHAM gave notice that he should, on Thursday,
name. a day upon which to move an humble address
to the Throne, preying that her Majesty would be
pleased to give orders that temporary preparations
should be made in the House of Lords for their Lordships' use
next sessirn. He added, that he should also move that an
humble petition be presented to her Majesty, praying that she
would b. 2. graciously pleased to give direction that in providing
for the ventilation of the House especial care should be taken
for guarding against risk from fire.
ADVOCATE-GENERAL OF BENGAL.

The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD wished to ask the Go.
veroment if the office of Advocate-General of Bengal had been
filled up or not ?
The Earl of RIPON was not in a position to say whether
the offica was filled up or not.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that with respect to the gen-
tleman who had last filed the situation, he was no doubt a very
zealous man, but he Lad it upon the bestauthority that he was
not only Lot the best, but he was the very worst man that could
have been selected to fill the situation. The only reason
that ever he heard assigned for the appointment was
h:s being the son of the Chairman of the Court of
I%irectors. If such a course were pursued in this
country, the unanimous execration of the pe3ple would
soon terminate the official existence of such a man. The man
who was promoted to such a situation should not be connected
with any local interest whatever.
After a few words from Lord CAMPBELL,
The Earl of RIPON said that the salary of the situation
was 3,500 e. a year, and that it had been offered to eight or
nine individuals of the greatest talents, all of whom had suc•
cessively declined to accept it. What reason they had for doing
so he was not prepared to say.
Lord BROUGHAM said that it was quite easy to say why
they refused it, as there was not one of the individuals referred
to whose professional emoluments did not greatly exceed that
amount.

Af:er a few worth from Lord DENMAN and Lord ELLEN
BOROUGH, the subject dropped.
ARRESTMENT OF WAGES BILL.

Lord KINNAIRD moved the order of the day for the com
roittal of this Bill.

This Bill then passed through Committee.
THE DRAINAGE BY TENANTS FOR LIFE BILL.
In answer to a question tram Lord-STANLEY, respect:ng
the third and fourth clauses of thu Bill, as to money lent for
drainage purpose": being repaid by instalments,
The Duke of RICHMOND replied he had every reason to
believe that there were people who would be ready to do this,
and if his Noble Friend (Lord Stanley) would propose, either
in committee, or on the third reading, any amendment to 'liable
them to do so, he (the Duke of Richmond) wouLl be happy to
accede to it.

After a few words from Lord ASHBURTON,
Lord BEAMIONT said individual landowners would not
be inclined to lend money which was to be paid by instalments,
but, generally speaking, there would be no objection to doings o,
as the money being expended on permanent improvements on
land would be a safe investment of capital, in which security
would be afforded both to the borrower and lender.
The ,tlarquis of CLANRICARDE considered that the mea-
sure would effect much good, as land which was allowed to re•
main in an unproductive state would be cultivated. It would
be very beneficial to Ireland.

he Bill then passed through Committee, and the report
e as brought up and received,

GAMING AND WAGERS BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND).
Lord CLANCARTY presented the petitions of which he
had given notice with respect to medical charities in Ireland,
which stated that they were in an inefficient state, and did not
afford that relief to indigent persons to which they were en-
titled, and prayed that an inquiry might be instituted into
them. He would not, however, at that late period of the
session, make any specific motion on the subject, but would re-
commend the matter to the attention of the Government.

Lord STANLEY was not prepared for the course pursued
by the Noble Earl, in going to such an extent into the question
of the poor-laws in Ireland. The Government, early next
session, would institute an inquiry into the state of medical
charities in Ireland, and if the Noble Lord was prepared to
introduce any measure embodying the sentiments he enter-
tained on the subject, he was sure that his high standing and
character would recommend it successfully to the attention, not
only of their Lordships, but of the other House, and
of the members of her Majesty's Government. The
Noble Earl (Clancarty) had virtually admitted the effi-
ciency of the poor•law by stating that in the workhouses in
Ireland aged women, the blind, infirm, sick, and helpless of all
classes, were received with readiness, and provided with assist-
ance and a comfortable asylum. To remedy this state a strin-
gent Vagrant Act was proposed—a Vagrant Act which would
be useless unless accompanied by the admission of the able-
bodied into the poorhouses. Such, however, could not be
adopted without an enormous sacrifice of money, and the Go-
vernment were neither prepared to recommend such a course,
nor any amended system of medical relief, as advised by the
Noble Earl.

The Nlarquis of LONDONDERRY was perfectly satisfied
with the statement made by his Noble Friend the Colonial
Secretary : although at first opposed strongly to the system,
now that it had been introduced, he hoped it would have a fair
trial, especially as its efficient working was beginning to be felt
and admitted through the country. The greatestimprove-
ments had taken place in the position of the people, and all
Ireland wanted was to be let alone.—(A laugh.) If the Go-
vernment would but cease making and amending laws for the
next three years, it would be the very best act they ever did.
The Earl of CLANCARTY testified to the accuracy of
his Nobe Friend (the Marquis of Londonderry) with respect
to the great benefit which the poor-law had conferred on Ire-
land.

The Marquis of CLANRIC l RDE denied that the work-
howes in Ireland were merely houses of refuge for the aged,
sick, and infirm ; if so he should have supported it; but chil-
dren to a wry large extent were at present domiciled there,
and the operation of the measure thus materially retarded.
On Monday next he should move for a retain of the number of
children thus annually supported.
The petition was then ordered to lie on the table.

Several messages from the Commons were then brought up,
announcing their concurrence in the amendments proposed by
the Upper House in various railway Bills.
On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, the Do-
cumentary Evijence Bill was read a second time, and the
House then adjourned.

Hee r7SE Go !LIMNS, .le/e 8.
COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL.
Claus:s 47 and 48 were agreed to.
On clause 49 being proposed, which regulated the appoint-
ment of the Assi'tant Commissieners,
Lord WORSLEY objected to giving the officer so much
power, and proposed an amendment, the effect of which would
be to circumscribe his powers.
Lord LINCOLN objected to the amendment. It would
completely alter the character of the Bill, and was incompatible
with the provisions of the fourth clause.
Lord WORSLEY complained that there was not sufficient
care taken to secure the competency and impartiality of the
valuer.
Lord CLIVE considered that as all who were interested had
a voce in the election of the valuer they would take good care
to appoint a competent person.
Lord LINCOLN said that the Commissioners would have
the power of removing the valuer, if he should be found in-
competent to hie duties or guilty of a breach of them.
Lord WORSLEY withdrew his amendment, and the clause
was agreed to.
Clause 50 was agreed to, after a few words from Mr.
HENLEY and Mr. BOUVERIE.
Clause 51 was agreed to, with some verbal amendments.
On clause 52 being proposed,
Colonel SIBTHORP said he looked at this clause with
great apprehension. It pitted a single individual against a
whole host of Commissioners. He did not like Commissioners.
Lord LINCOLN was aware of the objections entertained by
the Gallant Colonel to Commissioners, but when they were
appointed he surely would not object to give parties who were
aggrieved by their decision a remedy against them, and that
was the object of the clause.—( A laugh. )
The clause was then agreed to, as were clauses 53, 64,
and 55.
On clause 56 being proposed,
Lord CLIVE proposed to permit parishes to settle ques-
tions of disputed boundaries by arbitration.
Lord LINCOLN objected to submit public rights to arbi•
trat ion, and
Lord CLINE withdrew his amendment.
The clause was then agreed to, with some verbal amendment
On clause 57 being proposed, which regulates the draina
and water courses,
Colonel SIBTHORP complained of the numerous power s
given to commissioners of sewers, powers which were con
stantly abused.
Mr. BOUVERIE said nothing could be done under t is
clause without the consent of the parties interested.
Lord LINCOLN would observe, in addition, that compen-
sation was awarded to parties injared.
Colonel SIBTHORP thought compensation a farce. This
was a great inroad on the rights of property.
HEN LE 1' thought there was not sufficient security
given to parties for recovering compensation for the use the
public made of their property.
Lord LINCOLN was tsilliag to introduce words to render
parties entitled to compensation more secure. He would post-
pone the consideration of the clause, for the purpose of consi-
dering what words it would be proper to propose on bringing
up the report, to carry out the views of lion. Members.
The clause was then agreed to.
On clause 58 being proposed,
Mr. HENLEY considered that the public ought to be pro-
tected by having the roads set out of a sufficient width.
The Earl of LINCOLN thought that the width of the road
was defined under the General Inclosure Act and the Highway
Act. He would, however, take care to make inquiry on the
subject before the report was brought up.
The clause was then agreed to. -
Clause 59 was agreed to, with a few verbal amendments, as
were also clauses 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 63, and 69.
On clause 70 being proposed,
Mr. STANSFIELD moved that it be expunged altogether,
believing that it was contrary to the policy of the new Poor-
law Act.
After some observations from Lord LINCOLN, in defence of
the clause,
Mr. BOUVERIE said, if his Hon. Friend behind him (Mr.
Stansfield) divided upon the question, he should certainly
divide with him.
'1 he Earl of LINCOLN said his object in bringing forward
the Bill was to benefit the poor in the neighbourhood of com-
mons, and at the same time to preserve the rights of property,
and he believed that object would be effected by this clause.
Mr. HENLEY was afraid that the lands they had set out in
this Bill for cricket grounds and recreation, under the clauses
of the Field Gardens Bill, would be (lug up. He trusted the
Noble Lord would consider the subject, and introduce some
clause to prevent such a circumstance taking place.
Mr. STANSFIELD said lie should certainly divide the
House upon the question of expuneing the clause.
The Earl of LINCOLN said, if such was the
to determination
b _e
of the Hon. Member, he thought the better course w
to pnstpore the further consideration of the clause, and o move
that the Chairman report progress, and ask leave to sit
_again.
The further sitting of the House was then postponed to five
o'clock.

The House resumed at fire o'clocK.
TOTNES WATERWORKS BILL.
The Lords' amendments to the Totues Waterworks Bill were
agront to.
MONMOUI II AND HEREFORD RAILWAY.
The report on the Monmouth and Hereford Railway Bill
wasbrought up.
SOUTH WALES RAILWAY.
On the order of the day being read for bringing up the report
of the South \Vales Railway Bill,
Mr. VIVI A N moved that the report be taken into considera-
tion on Friday, I Ith July.
Captain BERKELEY said that the usual time for consi-
dering the report w.old be Tuesday next, and he saw no reason
why they should deviate from the usual course.
Mr. GREENE con,,idered that the usual rule of the House
ought to be observed. If they violated it, in the present in-
stance it would be drawn into a precedent.
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET said the question was,
whether or not the House would throw an impediment in the
way of a great national undertaking. The
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Committee had reported in favour of an early consichkiatill/
was an important national undertaking, arid the quesflen was t4M:AN
would the House consent to these impediments in the away•
the Bill upon a matter of form, and after the report of the
Chairman in its favour?
Mr. ESTCOURT thought that the orders of the House
ought to he strictly observed.
Mr. LABOUCHERE would be sorry to throw any obstruc-
tion in the way of the passing of the Bill. At the same time
it was of the utmost importance that the regulations of
the House should be observed. This Bill was
supported by a powerful company, possessing great
Parliamentary influence, and he considered it most objection-
able that parties connected with railways, who possessed in-
fluence in that House, should use that influence for the pur-
pose of inducing the House to depart from the standing orders.
Mr. VIVIAN was anxious to have a communication be-
tween South Wales and Ireland. He was no railway share-
holder, but le,ped the House would order the report to be
considered on Friday next, thereby giving three clear days.
An HoN. Ali:steer., whose name we could not learn, had
no desire for any peculiar indulgence to the south Wales Rail-
way, but thought the Chairman of the Standing Orders Com-
mittee might, with great propriety, extend the license now pro-
posed to bo given to the South Wales Railway to all other
railways similarly placed.
S HEIL had no personal communication with the South
Wales Railway, nor any share in any particular railway; but
he was connected with the south of Ireland, and felt an inte-
rest in the welfare of Ireland generally, which he thought
would be promoted by this Bill. When the Holyhead Railway
was brought under the censideration of the House, the Minister
said the interest of Ireland must be a paramonnt obligation.
Why should they not be so considered in this instance ?
Lord FIOWICK thought that railways in general had strong
claims upon the consideration of the House, because the mere
fact of applying to the Board of Trade threw each scheme
back a full month.-- ( Hear, hear.) Unless the House took
means to extricate them, they would not be passed in that ses-
sion, and that seemed to him to constitute a special case why
they should show indulgence in cases like these. He did not
believe that any injury would be inflicted on any party by taking
this report on the day desired. He did not think that this in-
dulgence could be with justice extended only to this Bill, for
any other coming before them under similar circumstances
cught to be similarly dealt with.
Mr. DUNCOMIsE said he thought the House ought to
agree with the motion of his Hon. Friend; and he also
thought his Hoe. Friend ought not to lose the advantage he
had had, merely on some point of mere punctillio. These
railway Bills had now become of such importance that surely
a particular day in a week ought not to be raised as an objection.
The CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER said, that
as Tuesday had been the day fixed, it would not be convenient
now to alter it.
Sir G. CLERK said, that as the regulations of the House
required three days' notice before the bringing up of such Bills,
if the lion. Member's motion should be carried, notice should
be given to-morrow in order to bring it before the House on
Friday.
Mr. GREENE said that an alteration should be made in the
standing orders to effect the change he proposed.
The motion was then agreed to; as was also a similar motion
in the case of the Monmouth and Hereford Railway Bill.
DUDDESTON AND NECHELLS IMPROVEMENT
BILL.
Mr. SPOONER moved the consideration of the report on
the Duddeston and Nechells Improvement Bill.
Mr. MUNTZ opposed the motion. Nine-tenths of his con-
stituents were adverse to the Bill; it was brought forward to
answer the ends of a certain little clique of very ultra-Radicals.
It had better be suspended till next session, when the whole
subject of drainage would have been gone into. He moved
that, the report be received that day three months.
After a short conversation, the House divided, when there
appeared—

For the report 7O
Against it .
65
Majority
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The report was accordingly brought up and received.
DIRECT LONDON AND PORTSMOUTH RAILWAY.
On the bringing up of the report of the Direct London and
Portsmouth Railway Bill,
Mr. J. A. SMITH said he had intended to move an
amendment to the Bill, but as he felt satisfied the House would
support the decision of the Committee, he would not press it to
a division.
Lord A. LENNOX said that he felt bound to oppose this
Bill. By the atmospheric line, the distance from London
would be eighty miles, while by the South-Western line it would
only be sixty-one miles. By the former line the country passed
through was of the poorest and most desolate character. He
felt it necessary to say thus much in behalf of the city which
he represented.
Mr. MANGLES thought that the report ought not to be
brought up.
Mr. F. BARING considered the decision the best possible
adjudication for Portsmouth.
Mr. J. A. SMITH opposed the report.
Captain BERKELEY said that this railway was quite in-
convenient fur the country through nhich it passed. His pro-
perty happened to be near Chichester, and this line would put
him thirteen miles further from London than he was at pre-
sent.— ( A laugh.)
Sir C. NAPIER thought that it was of the utmost import-
anee tha ithere should be as speedy a communication with
the great arsenal of the kingdom as possible.
Mr. E. B. DENISON said that he regretted that the
decision of the Com nittee had not given satisfaction, for the
Committee had taken itninene pains to arrive at a right con-
clusion, and they had reason to believe that this project had
been satisfactory to the majority of those concerned.
The report was then adopted.
RAILWAY BILLS.
The Brighton and Chichester Railway Bill was then read a
second time.
The Lords' amendments to the Thirsk Railway Bill were
agreed to.
The Lords' amendments to the North of England Railway
Branch Bill were agreed to.
The Lady's Island and Tacumshin Embankment Bill was
then considered, and the amendments thereupon agreed to.
UNION WORKHOUSES—LUNATIC ASYLUMS.
Mr. T. DUNCOMItE presented a petition signed by 2,700
persons from the counties of Derby and Nottingham, complain-
ing of the union workhouse of Mansfield and its management
with respect to those persons who sought relief for one night.
The petitioners prayed for the removal of the master. He had
also to present a petition from Captain Dieby, complaining of
illegal confinement in Huntingdon Lunatic Asylum. He added,
that his solicitor applied for a copy of the certificate of confine-
ment, and the Commissioners refused to grant it. This refusal
he considered most unjustifiable and illegal. The petitioner
prayed for inquiry
LANDLORDS AND TENANTS BILL.
Mr. BELLEW presented a petition from the landlords and
agricultural labourers of the county Louth, in Ireland, in
favour of the Landlords and Tenants Bill.
LAND TENURE IN IRELAND.

Mr. COLLETT presented a petition from certain poor-law
guardians in the county of Athlone, praying that an alteration
might be made io the land tenure in Ireland.
BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.,
Mr. WARBURTON moved that the petition of the Hon.
Member fur Cheltenl,am have precedence over the other
orders of the day.
Mr. BAINES would, as the Hon. Member for Cheltenham
had himself petitioned that the officers of the House should
be allowed to give evidence in the action brought against him,
briefly recapitulate the facts of the case, in order to put the
House in possession of the circumstances connected with it, and
here he would say that he did not purpose to cast the slightest
imputation on the lion. Member for Cheltenham. If he were
not in order in addressing a few remarks to the House, he
should be happy to be corrected.—(« Hear, hear," and ‘• Go
on.") In August, 1840, the Messrs. Scott, ship-builders, of
Greenock, contracted with the East India Steam Company to
build a vessel for 55,0001. They did so, and the total cost,
owing to cc: Lain alterations, was considerably increased. The
prmpoetus of the Company exhibited the Hon. Member's
name as one of the ihrectorg, and his name was also in the
Act which passed through Parliament, granting them a charter
of incorporation. Messrs. Scott were induced to consider the
Hon. Member as one to whom they ought to look for redress
for their loss of 50,0601., and therefore they brought this
action.

Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET said that as the prayer
of the Hon. Member for Cheltenham was that the officers of
the House should be examined, he thought they should allow
their attem'ance.
Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY said he was most anxious to
have the fullest inquiry into this matter, because it might be
thought that he interested himself personally, if the officers
or their doemnents should be wi hheld. He distinctly denied
all connexion Kith the Company which formed the ground of
this action.
Sir P. H. INGLIS said, that by the Act of Parliament no
member's name could be inserted in any incorporated company
without his sanction in writing, and that very fact he thought
was sufficiently decisive of this case.
The petition was received and agreed to.
SMOKE PROHIBITION BILL.

In answer to a question from Lord G. SOMERSET,
Mr. MACKINNON said he should postpone his Bill till to-
morrow week, the 16th instant.
RIGHT OF SEARCH.
Mr. SHELL wished to put a question to the Right Hon.
Baronet at the head of the Government. He desired to know
the number of frigates employed by the American Government
that had exercised the right of search since the Treaty of
Washington.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said that the number had been very
considerable since that treaty, but no injurious consequences
had supervened, for the most amicable relations had existed
between the frigates of both countries. He could give two
cases in illustration occurring as late as April, 1845, where the
right had been exercised in the most proper manner. The
Right Hon. Baronet read a letter from the coast of Africa,
dated the 22,1 of April, 1845, in proof of the assertion, and
their efforts had been successful, for two slavers had been taken
by their joint endeavours.
Lord PALMERSTON said that, rising to make the motion
of which he had given notice, he trusted that he should be ex-
cused for trespassing for some little time on the attention of the
House. When they considered the atrocious nature of the
crime which it was the object of this motion to
prevent, he trusted that the House would fully un-
derstand that it was no common occasion that induced
him to come forward. It was a crime which tended not only
to the demoralisation of the employed, but also of those who
were the owners of slave property. In America, both North
and South, the evil pervaded every district, and in Europe it
was sufficiently diffused to poison all those healthy impulses
which ought to actuate men. By the statement of the Hon.
Member for Gateshead (Mr. Hutt), it appeared that the num-
ber of negroes transferred from the coast of Africa to the sugar
producing districts was '200,000 a year. Now, considering this
number, and the immense numbers also who were destroyed by
the horrors of the middle passage, he thought it the duty of
a Christian Ctioautntgry;etaot puchtaanngcelisdhtoadthtiaskheonrrpibllaecetraffic.
since thisHe
question wstaionalrread been first discussed. The honourable and worthy
individuals who had first united to put an end to this nefarious
traffic had lost, as it seemed from their reports, all hope to
remedy the evil, but he conceived that their fear was altogether
groundlesz, and that it was a duty incumbent on the country
to efface that disgrace to human nature by all practicable
means. If they looked at the measures which had been adopted
since 1814 for the suppression of the slave trade, and the re-
sults which had followed, he thought that the parties of whom
he had spoken had no reason to despair. It should be recol-
lected that the deportation of negroes from Africa was an
established practice, sanctioned by law, and if they were
to attempt to abolish it it must be by a series of efforts. If
they were to attempt to uproot a tree in the full
vigour of its strength, it would be a project in which, pro-
bably, every effort would fail ; but only lay the axe to the root
of that tree, and the whole fabric of nature would be immedi-
ately laid low. So it was with the slave trade. Their efforts
had been directed to the reduction of this tremendous evil. If
the return which he had moved fur had been granted, it would
be seen that the difficulties of which so much dread had been
expressed would be overcome. It was impossible to aggravate
the horrors of that passage, for, so great were they, that though
they might be mitigated, he believed that they could not be in-
creased. The return which the Right Hon. Baronet had for-
warded to him was so imperfect, and made up in such a
bungling manner, that he had felt it a duty to return it to him,
with observations on its defects. The number of slaves imported
into the Brazils from the coast of Africa was enormous.
It appeared that there were at least 54 vessels employed in the
trade, and allowing only 300 to each, not less than from 50,000
to 60,000 slaves were imported into the Brazils every year.
The uncultivated lands in Cuba, Brazil, and Surinam offered

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