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be rerecouninSnatd to be done, had been done al.
ready ; he would Lave found in the first clause, that
lull pptwer,was given to the Regent, itubjettl to such
restri,ttionirps Patliatnedi deeded expedtent, There
wag 49 41' tention 14 intrlßlduce the tjuestion of respon-
sih:dify. The Right Min. Gentle Man had obietiecl
to the oath.

Sir SAmt.m... Itositht.x here repeated the exCise.
oath.

Cli A 7,1 zLi,dtt- of theTiteitracrEtt continned:
1-1-t-Nvutthi oppent.4o Ci4ithittol; achi•ther that
was a lair deseOpiion of the oath. It %Ili DU degra-
dation, no insult 1) tlwe high 'office of Regent, to
provide that theta thould he oaths ;Klministered. it
was no degradation that oaths should he ddministered
to the King :himself. Nur was there any degradation
in toilowioiCthe exatOple of our atiestOrs, and do.
as they had done before us in similar situations.
lie.d4chutnkci any.intention :of shoving disrelpett
to the Pi:ince, of :and was sure he wAttld be
believed by thwe 'who could exercise a candid judg-
metit. 'lt 'any roe conid propose words that sp.
pear'ed less offensive, he had no objedion to adopt,
thew ; but .he thought it deserved the consideration
,of the Committee, whether they, would r%jett it al-
together twin) an obsen ation, which, in hisopinton,
was not founded.

PONtiUNISY said, that there never was n Re-
gency in this country similar .to the present, when,
the Heir Apparent to the Crown was of full age.
korcht 01 the clause, Lie contender!, decided the'
question of responsibility; and.thought there might
inlVe been a similar one in the former Bill. It %as
certainly liable to the same ,objection then as now,
it one of his Honourable Friend's acuteness had
been in the House torotite it. He concluded with
moving, as au Amendment, that the objettionnble
words should be left out for the purpose of sub-
siitnting••.."" And the Regent shall take and sub.
seribe such.oaths as.are taken by persons executing
afire."

Mr. Ross contended that there were cases of
Regency similar to the ptesent. In the reign.
of Henry VI. there was a ttegeOcy, and it was le-
st tided.
Mi. lotllOtiti,Y denied the application- of that ease.
The re.strictioi.s, he Said, were procured by. his COM-
petitor for the CroWn.
Mr. Rosa thoui;ht it was a ease in point, as the
Duke of York at thin' time, with all his power, was
obliged to submit toiesiriaions.. _

I~lr. PONSONUY did not imagine that the °Mini
retitrlidto exiAetl at the time of Henry the Sixth,

The MASTOIi of 11110 ROLLS thought they might
steer clear,ot the question of respglllibility, atii itt2l
WUS iticlioo to Ligrue to the Ainclidment.
Sir S. Ato"Nitt.ts s'did Imp did not ;:-;eats' w charge
his Right Hon. Friend (the, caanccllOr of tie Ex.
chequer); With disroped towardS the Piince of
Wales, but merely, toarl out the class of, oaths
objeeted o'4 Right m
non. Friend (Mr,Tierney);
they were oat titti might be done dwdy in any
ease, tieing more.than,a solemn mummery,
W:th resied to the question of responsibility, it watt
a matter that should ,iot be left in doubt; -they should
understand the new'Govethinent before they entered
upon
Mr. STEMIRN did not think they should express
ttn opiniun one way or another upon the iosponsibi.
lity. If, however, they wore to ‘ittclart: themselveb,
he did not know that he could aaree with his Hon.
Frirnd. In the case of GOverstors of volOnies, Go
iernors were held to be nrelpoti4ible Nhtle in the
govrrnnient, but responsible afterwards. lie agreed
that Some ut the oaths of Oleo: Mien be I r aside,
butt then it was as proper for the li-eout to take them»
as any other person, The oath Of allegiancis could
not be omitted.

Sir A. PIGGOTT thought the way would be to
omit the whole clause. If the ald'l3ill could be pro-
duced as, a jutniticatiun upon all occasions, it was ►n
v►►in to endeaveur to improve the present. It had
'been said that the King.took'uatt►s; it was rate, bu►t
they Ovate stated in ti►e law, and n4l entoreed by all
the pains and penalties of the oaths of otlice. He
moved that the whole clause should be left out.

The CUANCELLOR of the EXCllECttlitit' said he
was willing to agree in the first amendment, hut
should feel great hesitation in giving up on the (no.
tent, a clause which uniformly pervaded the Sta.
MU in cases of Regency. Hu had no objeetion to
postpone the clause, that they might have abetter
opportunity of considering it.
Mr. PONsoNaar thought it better, fast, to leave
out the, part_ which reterred to pains, penalties, and
disabilities, and then to move for the postponement
of the clause.

Mr. BA'retuan approved of giving the Commit-
tees time time to consider it. He thought the oaths
should be apecifxed, and not. accompanied with the
penalties usually .annexed.
'This clause and the followiog were postponed.
On the reading of
.the eighth dowse,.
Mr. ADAM wished to know from the Right Hoe.
Gentleman in what Manner he prophsed to fill up
the blanks in the above clause ?
The CHANCELLOR of this EXCHEQUER stated,
that his intention was to .postpone to till up the
first blank with the
,ist et February,- 1812 ; rthd
the limitations to continue, iF Parliainent should be
then sitting; lot the space of six weeks; but if it
should bo happen that the Parliament was not then
assembled, then heshonld propose to till up the
blank with the words 7' for the space of six weeks
after the meeting of Parliament ;!! so that the
powers of, the Regent shobid continue in certain
cases restrilf:led, until Parliathent should be in pos-
sion
Of the afltutl state orb's' Majesty's health.
His objea in making these propositions was to se-
cure the meeting of Pailiameht previous to the ex-
piration of the restrictions. Flu trusted the Corn-
tutttee would be of opinion that the restrit?ted
period of, one year Was not too longthat beyond
that period, it was material to ascertain whether
his Majesty eves in that of health, so as to be eria.
Wall) resume the funtaions 01 Goveroluti,t ; and also
to give art opportunity to consider whether, in the
event of Lis Majesty's continued malady, it might
or not be advisable to continue the limitations.

- • - -
Mr: ro NsoN.tiY maintained, that it -the Right
Hon. GethieMan opposite inearit to 'oppose !he'
for‘ anch a length of time,' it was cut),
veying ,a distrust of the Prince of Wales
gitently, he v.tti not a tit 1-,erson to 'be Regent of
the Kingdoms. Th'e Rig ht G..tntletnan,
there-
fore, could not, with the view that he (Mi. r,)
look 01 the C:vi• 'be surprised if he gave lifuida,,tie
hiia tnost Ovrii.;eti op usiticru. \Vith lovett to ,what

be had stated, as to the time being .protraeled,
order to give opportunity for inquiring into the state
of his Majesty's,health, that was a `oonitileration
quite foreign.' 1)11 the .Right Gentlelnan
mean' to insinuate, that, the Prince was sci base, or
Would have recourite. to artifices in order toretain
power ? The reitri.lion as to time, imposed dim-,
culties on the Regent in administering the func-
tions of the Executive Government, which all might
vcry-re.rdily ; but which-it was neither necessary
nor (ICCPTUIIi, in hitn'. to expOse. To remedy this
evil, he proposed an Awndment, , would
would. give to the Prince the
.full powers of the.
Sovereign authority, in case his Majesty had not!
recovered within sik. toonths
r.after the passing of
•
this Ad.."

On. this AMendrbent being put--
l'he'enANC`Ettott of, the EXClitlllEtt Obie6ted,
to it, on 'the ground of the period six months
not being sottiCientlylongtO give his Majesty a fair
opportunity of b,ing restored to health. With' re-.
•spect to those- who thooght 'no limitation necessary,'
even six months would appear CO theinloolong a
period. It was• to' be recollect ed..tluit the two Houses
of Parliament - had, unanimously concurred hat
intuitions Shbuld be itnposed, and 'I Royal High-
ness had accepted the Resolutions which .Parliament
had laid. before him: In following-up these Reso•
lotions, it was natural to suppose that a leastinanle.
litnitation, in point, of lime, sholild he plopose&
s ould be tecollected, too, that this Rouse had.
scut up-the restrictions narrowed, and the other
House had declared that tt e jw..crogative should be
restricted, %litchi for the "sake of unanimity; was
agreed to by this the restriction was
'necessary, it was desirable: that it should cover th.st
period of time, when the two HotrieS of Parini-
meut and the country naturally looked forward. wit li.
anxious, reasunatile, and fond hopes, as, the pro:
bable terminatiou of his Majestj's trialsay. • Ile!
wished Gentletum to bear in their minds that,
for no other purpose was this restriction ititroduc•s
ed. That his Own hopes ,vs ere ardent ,and sang
vine for a restoration_ to health itt a much
shorter period than. the. one assigned in. the
Ainclidment of the lti4lit Honourable' Gentle-
man he could taut hot declare; still is was but dt..
coruus and respectful to the Stitt reign to give tloi
longest titita possible. WaS'iteittter decent,:resp,
ur delicate tu.tiis •Illajenly 16 mak, far-a try!,./
weeks or a Meath, to catch as it would 'seems. P. -
hops, the vt.ny roomeni••whtn his hI-je,!ty might
not be in that slate, hi which lie could resam, hio
futittions, 'but very near it'? ,He'Vves,sore the Corn•
inittee• would not. tieStre. any Soul) thing. When the
same affliction hadrhefore vislted his Majesty, his
health was restored Vvit hitt the period Of six, months;
,and as of the physicians ban reasonable grounds
for believing that as• the radical strength of his Ma-
jesty's constirmion was not materially irnpaired,
though his years were increassed, he would recoVer. ;
lh repelling the disorder, thetelcire, a longer time
would' be required on account of his. Majesty's ad-
vanced state of life. ender this impresSion would
the U.vrnmittee, refuse to give a longer time There
was another Consideration, and that was, his. Ma-
jesty had never yet been exposed, on his recovery,
to the situation of finding the Government' otat of
'his ,own hsuds, lie hacL theretore, now in expe-
rience, fur the first time; the efted of a Regency;
and what Might be that etfett upon, his 'Majesty's
,health, could not be conject;ired. Uu the tanner
occasturi his iViajtistr loutnithmgs in the same slate.
'they were bLfore his 'alltidion. Wash not easy to
conjecture what would be-the efUct ti;;on the mind
of any man in such it situation, upon find ng 'his aft,
fairs in the hands of another person ? The..aftiend-,
ment of. the Right Ho;toutible wa,s ob-
jectionable in another point of view ; the limita!
den, under the rarnendment, would expire' the
Ist of August—Pal 'lament mould not then be. Sit.
ling, and if it, was 'intended to make ,the perks!
shorter, it would be the' more -necessary the Par,
Flamm should be sitting, order .that if res.
sortable grounds could he stated for the expecta-
tion of tecovery, that 'some further time should/be.
given.

Mr. WHITSIOAD conceived that as the Right
Flom Gentletwin'hud thought necessary to appeal to
the feelings of the Committee, he might also appeal
to their judgment. The gieat object of all the R.,ght•
Hon. Gentleman's speeches was 10 indUcethe Hor►;e
to remain quiet, and allow the Right. Hon.. Gentle.
man and his eolleigttes the exercise of 'tdi the
titans of Govermeent. The argument went tins
length; as if Ministers thought,that in making these
restrictions, they proposed them in order to protrej:
the interests' of the. King against any undue abuse: of
the Royal prerogatives. They endeavoured to ,lin.
press the House with an idea that en his Mhj,,sly's
recovery, be might find such an abuse pr,)cii:ied as
would make hini relapse. This sort of argument
was an unjust aspersion upon his Royal Higline4s'i
character. The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to
forget that the Prince Regent had the power of dis,
solving the Parliament ; and even though • the Right
'HO. Gentleman might continue the adviser of that.,
Royal Personage,.another Partiament:inight propose
other resolutions which would have tht etfeet of
doing away those which now were .ohjection.,ble,
With respect to the restrictions in du: prerogative :
Why bad not the power of Creating Ilarintiti been
denied to the Regent ? It would appear th it in
restrictions, on the Peerage, the Right Hon.
Gentleman hart been foiled, and therefore was' (L,
termined that the Regent should not do what he
Could not obraid the, Sovereign's consent ' The
,Honourable Gentleman, condemned the restrictions
generally.

Mr. CANNING observed, that 2$ i 0 the two.peripds
proposed, he should be ihelined to find t.tult
;he longest; and ask 'the Right• Hop. Get, tivrnan, ai
the picot:dent of 1788 wasittnide the ground-work of
the present prooeeding, why he hadttut tollot4e.l
that precedent in all its provisio,fs ' lle could assert
that the precedent of 1788 did not atiorl any 'ex-
ample of such lim ttat.;
ons us were now prUIJOSe,t
which were on a totally dittorent principle. Th,
principle, had no rete:euce, to the duration of the'
illness .1 hi; Majesty. He had collected• the opinion
of a Lirlettiher Of the Cibinet On chat oLcasion,
tithed in blood to the author of t h‘tt fittl,-arid itw
had distinctly stated, that it never had .hertz in
the contemplati,m of
,the author 0! that 13it1, lu
propae any limitation of tie kind ric.,,y; i•rop4.l4ed.
11 oalii be trotter to 'allow tot ate Porha
to 'limit the tune. At all events, he• iyar•

w

, . I 1
edly averse to tho longer periati for confeeirg" 0,
limttatiou. . . I din
Mr. BATHURST maintained, that the genert 4 le
of argument introduced by Mr. Pitt on-tbecat ,in
alluded to, was, that if there was no chance 01 ieil
covery, then there ought not to be any limit36sll'; it
It was but a fair and reasonable propesiti'lll ee
thought; that, as before, his Majesty had rece:t7 ili
justice
en
tot gihesviex
the timemonths, •ttiolw7 ipmlpdosbeed.b.llV
tto,ill-4ti; do
tions did not, as had been -argued by soro:eii
_n be
tlemen, imply a distrust or jealousy of the-Pft
It was the duty
.of the House. to see inv MIS Ist
Lion 'the future advisers of the Prince LetPtirro
' the Sovereign, 'and therefore to give 0010101 e tli
for the eesumption debase poweis utiheptir4e lip
He had a decided objection to the Ames''; ill
el
which proposed six= months, hecausejParlie CI
could ni I be sittingat tire expiration'of that 1.1::
the other period would expire when l'ol'r ev
would, be. 'assembled.
h
ti t
After some observatiOns from Miellsidis,.l'E
from Mr. WHITBREAD, and Mr. BATHURST, ,11e to
planation, 11.
Mr.Tietteit :thought the Amendment proP')
would have the 'elle& of securing the)ntereet% .1i
Crown. Without meaning, to attributestlit,l
disresreaful to thellight Hun-Gentlemen, be; tc
heehawed to declare, that. iii. his opivion 'llOO.. i'
appear somewhat aggravated •in the coteled 011'4 I:),
Hari. ere. Gentleman towards the Prinee-elh (..,
orl'i
stieuld wish to avail himself of a ftw week' iPij 0
to ceetintie the restrictioes. Parlinment wovid ''
'tor foorior five months; and. it his- Nl:tiegl 51
not recover before then, the Right Il GA
tel. '''4 (1
might introduce a Bill to continue the restrelio; t
'lllie Cneteceet.ott of the 14x.ensoeere rflo I,
unlessthat a specialcieuse.wis introdueedlloi
' Elite t heejuest ion could. not:ire introduced see e
. Sessions He did, not. know how. to te6:4l4:i',' i
shg-4estions of 'tire Iwo .RiOtt . Hon. Getolteo t'e
Tie, ney and Mr; Canning), the one 4,1404'iii4 :4. It
did with the other ; it appeared as if ihreteetihi),
chieeous was wished to be preferred. 809,t0 i
sleet, said on the. subject of disresprAfiti enfluv iil 1
warde the Prince, that he might again rcireo4 1
it leas not constitutional to suppose, theta!" -1
Clone were imposed and aimed.aeatest the et os 1
the Preece, but as of neces,ity on the Reglit'ed ,
had beet) .proposed by Ministers, was eftViro;
let-moral principles, on abstract reatiJiii, pot alve4
the oat lee or intention. of refleding oil the t:1/3,01)
of the laustrious Person., It was tuijilit 414'0- 4
to use the sore of argument which Gent'c'''
the other side had used. i
R od
Mr. FULLE observed, that it was the oPLII le
the physicians that his Majesty would receivo
before the period now asked-et welve montl,s. 0
it to. be endueed that he seoukl not gliv.,te
time ? Yes, lie would t.he did not cereeboil'oel
persons' ti!elings, nor- who heard hint; 1, "4„apt
orp tea the King as long he lived; he woula-
sets hint.
The Committee then divided...o
for ttie.emeneineut e . - ie6).,
. - Against-it e . . al .. '.......'.54.
Minority - . - ,to
Or, our return to the Gallery Mr. 1:10',,,5,7S
asking the Right 'Hon, Geetie'lose soikt"'eiej
iotvoLled to restrict the Regent from etista'cr"
Peer a siep higher in ithe Peerage) . , liel
The CHANCELLOR of the Eeeeeeees -fistra
the alfirmlitive ; and defied the Right 14`)4):0000i
` m. an to shew where, in the space of te'el" .ir
the Regent's authority would be orobliT:ii#
constouence of being restricted in adtornDs!
..
.ton to the dignity of a VisCoUnt, or a ‘7112.* ~
'that Ufa Marquistate;
ils`l'
. Fies clause was agreed to, without an/v ,
merit... L wee
Mr. TiPiiii EY Obje,aed to the clause which 00,
reetrei I, the Regent 1 tom granting tor hie rmi 004'
pentienie as conveying to the Royal I)''rlQell jwiti3w
'd I.li,trklii. He was at a loss to coriceise,ol,4
Right Honoerable Gentleman should Oil; ..?
teettloP:iel:elilloccresotßwitsehsgeoennw:tololfdouGgi have
idevoergie) ittnit
eatbi,ori:
i`trlde'l3:.l,,tei 1°:;41
`741,T*.r.,............. of the Exettaa'ucg/ti;41?;!1
long as the Right
re:nisdiii,
elroe(tpiiita:),Ties,
ttti litorcsohesaireligtxel.:r: ,expressions iecio4 nnatti:hefjhuPiPldoeutt;
eirceleorred:1:10:111:.
ctetindoeciat.l
i'lleltainss tsio,ernectie
bMyeertepeexwiirtritgordioarY I
;hese unfounded charges I one, Sir, d° au to
that let these' Gentlemen repeat I hern:levse:ll;ll' 11514
will, that the repetition will induce his 10/eteri
ness to believe; that those who t".t.!l tll 71's4
placed in an arduous and painful sittotinot 000
faithfully, discharge their duty to their .10950_,0114
their country, by abstaining from `those, :111,;c1r3
,which, in their view of the principles °1.:4,11fl
Lltnution, *of the real interests of the outilitirel.,c
of their own duty, they felt themselves call(!ii,,io,,f
propose. The present I\linisters could ,110.11 '' ' ii,9l;
be raised in his Royal flighness'it estimation 11Y,e'et
tag the course recommended by the Uotr: ``sty',
the other side, nor will they be -itijorcd ;;;;111,1'e
such unfounded insinuations as thJ.& to %"1", tot
now alluding. Sir, ill could be meat) entAlg"ci rio:?
nothing else in my view; but to recolO0,1", tO't
to the notice of .his Royal .Highness, t""t *eit
,which I should pursue to gain -that littera o(.tv4
?,e. not by.. Siting . into the. suggesti°"'/De're,
Right ' tienonrable Getitleman, ,bt)t WI tor !al-,
.11.1 the pail) of honour, of justice, awherrer'
lily to my Sovereign. 'Flint,- Sir, if ito d'ileid,'!'„
deretion arose but interestwould be the 6'4- 'is v.'
, „L p-
~,„,i,
to pursue; that would be the raid Ite-Pr'ileeilile
miately the good opinion of every erilighteoettbiisiee
atic'el!igiii'Gl::(2linisiiblePu'rnr‘:al'till'.:l:einosd.hj'ice'tSctioiil4lllllSrie:S'SePile:COiti ii‘nW:t.tgli'lle*li:l4l:ll"l;
Ititl,lSt aleari those grantee en :see C.vil .--,1; ere;
known that the King has not 'the loo"i°,l9f' n.r
Tension on the Cl', ii List fur the lite of l''', A t,
4
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fit
i eie.been. found lICCVOSitiy tO,Brant. 'uille- IllOr
.1 ; therefore it was lee iikely dim ‘6"11- --Vt
slhst'e Qt'. °"e'. Year, there woteld be Ver>,‘,l)
tut'itY of granting any pmyjs-jou'is4o t 11,3 4''''