The Sun.
London, England, 1829-11-23 00:00:00

SNRIT OF TUE runt.ic JOURNALS

We copy the subjoined article from the Dub-
lin Freeman's Journal of Thursday, and as we
were the first to allude to the conduct of Mr.
Barron and Mr. O'Connell in the county of
Waterford, it is right we should briefly explain
the share we had in such allusions to these gen-
tlemen. At a time when Mr. Barron was can-
vassing the county of Waterford for its repreeen-
tation, as a Catholic gentleman of independent
principles, avowing the most uncompromising
hostility to the Beresfords, as a family wholly
undeserving the confidence of the constituency ;
and when, likewise, Mr. O'Connell had travelled
a great distance to give in person his cordial as-
eistance to the new tendidate, and had, at a
public meeting in a county where he has no local
interest, reflected on Mr. Sheil for his mis-
take" in excepting a brief from Lord Water-
ford's family, as well as ridiculed their idle at-.
telutst to have returned him as their counsel ; a
icommunication was made to us by a correspon-
dent, professing to be in full possession of all
the particulars, to this effect :—That Mr. fle.rron
had hineeelf, not casually or inadvertently, but
repeated and persevering solicitation, offered
to give the whole support of his family to the
ticresfords in the county, provided they merely
looked on while he endeavoured to get returned
for the city ; and that Mr. O'Connell, who was
of late so loud in vaunting his refusal of the
large fee with a retainer, and expressing his
astonishment that they (the Beresfords) could
'ave thought they could retain him it 3 their
counsel, had actually, as far as he was concerned,
occepted this brief, and huxtercd for a still larger
rose In publishing these allusions upon the au-
tholity we have mentioned, our purpose was not
to meddle with the confidential communications
of private gentlemen, but to put to the test the
conduct of public men seeking to be intrusted
with the confidence of their fellow-citizens in
the management of their most important national
concerns. Mr. Barron has pleaded guilty to
the attusation of our correspondent, and has
thereby unqualified him from the trust he sought
to execute. When the promised letters shall
appear, it will then be seen whether Mr. O'Con-
ntil bat; acted openly and consistently in his share
of the Waterford transactions, and 'has therefore
ht' en groundlessly maligned. To us the Irish
public will stand mainly indebted for hating that
full and unequivocal explanation of' the affair,
to which upon all sides it is now admitted to be
entitled. Mr. O'Connell's friends, it is right to
tneetinn, positively deny that he accepted the
kid, or huxtered for his fee. They assert, that
on the contrary he declined it, and upon the
ground of his being then assured of his return to
hrliament as Member for the county of Clare.
Now, the representation made to us, and with
every appearance of authenticity, was and is,
that Mr. O'Connell, in his first letter, in reply
to the solicitor's offer on the part of the Beresford
family for his professional assistance, so far from
declining the brief, did actually make specifica-
tines, and require explanations ()Nile duties
which he should be called upon to perform, at the
Fame time cordially concurring in the necessity
and propriety of an oblivion of the past distinc-
tions between Protestant and Catholic, and in
allusion to the offered fee of 6001., in the event
of a contest, did expressly mention, that he had
received that sun:from Mr. V. Stuart at the
last election out of term," (these were his
`.tints) ; adding, that as in matters of business
the Beresfords had always treated him hand-
.7,-omely, he was willing to leave the fee for the
eoesideration of their solicitors. Our correspon-
dent asks, whether the meaning of the word to
huc4-ster is not to peddle ; and what is the in-
ference, but a hint for more money, which can
he drawn from Mr. O'Connell's allusion to his
fee " out of term" from Mr. Villiers Stuart, to
the liberality of the Beresfords when they had
previously swnployed him, and to his confidence
in the solicitors, who were men of great respec-
tability in their profession, and his personal and
" eery kind friends,; as he describes them in his
letier to the Rev. Mr. Sheehan ? In his second
letter to the solicitors, when the terms laid down
in his fr. t were. fully conceded by the Beres-
fords, who only required his assistance as a
professional man, and when, according to
the fair interpretation of his answer to their
application, it only remained, not for him
to draw back, but for them to accept his
conditions, he pleads to be excused on the
eround of his being sure of his return for
Clare, and therefore exposed to the liability of
sitting as Judge upon the merits of an election
on which he might have acted as counsel. Our
correspondent asks how vihl this transaction
look, if it should appear that Mr. O'Connell,
elide bargaining about the brief, did expressly
state in his'' first letter, that his election for
Clare was fixed beyond all manner of
doubt, even should Mr. Vesey Fitzgerald
appear in person to oppose him ?”
There is still more behind. Did or did not Mr.
O'Connell, in his second letter, expressly and of
his own accord, pledge himself, that as he felt
be could not take part
,for the Beresfords, and
only on account of his being the }member for
Clare, he would not be engaged (and for the
same reasons) against them ? How is this
pledge to be reconciled with Mr. Barron's public
declaration in the presence of, and uncontra-
dieted by, Mr. O'Connell at the late meeting,
that the latter, while he scorned the bribe of the
Beresfords, had promised to him (Mr. Barron),
in his contest with the family, his professional
services gratuitously? We, as independent
journali4s, wholly unconnected with either party,
have only to judge of the information we in most
cases receive, from the appearance of probability
which it posses intrinsically, and our confidence
in the persons who transmit it. We are, of
course, often liable to be deceived, without even
impugning the veracity of our correspondents,
who aretlike all people exposed to the influence
of impressions arising from the communications
made to them ; and on this occasion, we are
only anxious for the sway of principle and .of
truth, and to disburden ourselves of the inform-
tion conveyed by our correspondent, so that our
readers, when the forthcoming letters-. appear
(which must be at once), shall heve the means
of comparing his statement with the original do-
cuments. The following is thC- article in the
Freeman's Journal. Why this delay ? Who
are the parties out of the country ? The cor-
respondence is between Mr. Mahony and Mr.
O'Connell, and they are within stone's throw of
eaeh other :

" We are authorised to state, that the publication
of the correspondence between Mr. O'Connell and
Mahony, touching the proposal of the latter to
retain the former as counsel for Lord George Beres-
ford at the next Waterford election, is delayed in
consequence-of its' being deemed necessary to have
a communication with all the parties concerned, some
of whom are now out of this country. Until this
correspondence, which has be.en most earnestly de-
manded by the public, shall. have-4 come formally
before them it %ould be improper in us to de-

tail what we loow of its partici:lats. We may 1)r
permitted, however, to appease curiosity to soul(
small extent. The proposal of Mr. Mahony was to
the effect, that Mr. O'Connell's profecsinoal services
merely should be rendered to Lord George Beres-
ferd. In Mr. O'Connell's reply, we mean his firs!
one, this proposql.appears to have been professim—
ally and in the usual bUsiitessmlike way entertained.
It has been Mest truly stated, that the learned gen-

tlen.lan " huxtered fi;r a rev." The only pectiniar,
observation in the letter refers to a sum of 500/.
which Mr. O'Connell states his having been paid by
Mr. Villiers Stuart on the occasion of the last clec•

ion for tilt,. t °Wily of Waterford.

Mr. O'Connel!

dots not mention this as a standard whereby the Be-
resford fee, into the consideration of which he does
not enter, should be rated. Upon this point his se-
cond letter is conclusive; for in the second he declines
the engagement. This is done in a form of phrase
and a spirit which, when ascertained by the docu-
ments to be published, must put Messrs. O'Connell
and Sheil almost on the same footing with respect
to the Beresfords, on the same footing, because
Mr. O'Connell, in his letter, begs Mr. Mahon),
most distinctly to understand, that his declining to
act for_Lord George is in nowise influenced by the
considerations which Mr. Sheil is charged with hay.
ing compromised. So emphatically does the Learned
gentleman urge this, that the other circumstances and
avocations, which he felt must prevent his accept-
ance of the retainer, are specified. According to
Mr. O'Connell's own showing, therefore, the dif-
ference between his case and that of Mr. Sheil con-
sists in the fact of the latter having accepted the
retainer, and of the former having declined it, not
from any apprehension that the acceptance was im-
proper, but from a prospect of having more import-
ant•fish of his own to fry. It is another question to
consider how far either may have been culpable,—
Mr. Sheil, in taking a retainer, or Mr. O'Connell,
although not taking it, in vindicating the harmless-
ness of its being taken.
" The sooner the correspondence is given to the
public the better. If Mr. O'( onnell has a copy of
it, we are persuaded that DO respect for parties will
induce him to withold that which, if unpublished,
must continue to keep sonic parties wrong with the
country. Lest this should he deemed an uncandid
allusion, we may as well state that both Messrs.
O'Connell and Sheil have copies of the letters."—
Times.

The change which has taken place in the
French Ministry, at so critical a period as the
eve of the Meeting of the Chambers, is rather
calculated to diminish confidence in its dura-
bility. In that light the event is viewed by the
liberal journals, of which the tone is what their
opponents will call provokingly insulting. "In
losing M. de la Bourdonnave, says the Jour-
nal des Debats of Thursday, with its usual
epigrammatic point, " you have become more
impotent for violence, without gaining on the
side of legal order and liberty. In short, the re-
treat of M. de la Bourdonnave, whatever the
cause, is an useful event. Why so much con-
gratulation,
it will be said ; it is 1815 conquered
byl,'oeil de Ba?uf; the Ministry is a little less
prevotal, and a little more Jesuitical ; that is all.
Yes—but at the same time, the Ministry has re-
ceived a mortal wound, and has become equally
incapable of supporting itself." One great cause
of the unpopularity of the Ministry is the pre-
vailing idea, that M. de Pclignae is devoted to
England, and that English intrigue imposed
him on France. M. de la Bourdonnnye was an
uncompromising Ultra, but a decided French-
man, and less obnoxious to the people than M.
dePolignae. The Journals, with much address,
avail themselves of the differences between M.
de la Bourdonnaye and M. de Polignac, on ac-
count of the English partialities of the latter,
to render him still more obnoxious. " The
more we reflect on the subject (says the Jour-
nal des Debats) the inure it appears to us
that M. de Polignac brings to the Presidency
no other title and no other force than his quality
of agent of the English. But this British man
of business (horn= d'affaires) knows nothing
of business, and in this respect he is useless to
those even whom he wishes to serve. Much has
been said of the administrative capacity of M.
de la Bourdonnaye, his extravagincies, and his

impatience. We do not question these ; but
every one should have a hearing. M. de la
Bourdonnaye also tells curious things respecting
the narrow bigotry and the prejudices of M. de
Polignac, his aristocratical infatuation, and his
eternal boring about England, and the right of
primogeniture. One would swear he was M.
t:ottt: in a Court-dress./K. de la Bourdonnaye,
it is said, is very amusing on this head. Accord-
ing to his account, be is solely the victim of the
devout faction, in the eves of which his pure and
simple absoltitism was insufficient." The Con-
stitutionnel also dwells on the infatuation of M.
de Polignac for the worst part of what he saw in
England. To an aristocrat, like M. de Polignac,
the condition of his order in England must have
appeared highly enviable; and we can easily un-
derstand how lie should have imbibed, during
his residence here, partialities and predilections
by no means calculated to add to his efficiency
as a Minister in France. In the exclusive cir-
cles of London he imbibed notions which must
have rendered the state of things in France far
from palateable to him. It is not likely that a
French nobleman, full of the recollections of the

ancient regime, and dazzled with the ex-
isting splendour of the nobles of London,
should, on his return to France, become
enamoured of the system which, in place of.
a wealthy aristocracy, a crawling middle class,
and a starving populace, has given a large class
of well informed men of moderate fortunes who

despise the vices and the frivolities of the over-
grown rich, and an independent middle class
jealous of their honour. A glance at the lite-
rature of England, as compared with that of
France, at once shows the:difference in the social
condition of ;the two countries. The English
literature consists chiefly of light reading for the
aristocracy, and muddling divinity for the class
immediately above the lowest. The French
literature is,- on the other hand, serious and sci-
entific. The Scotsman, in an article which we
copied into the Chronicle of Saturday, observes
—" It strikes us as remarkable that there are
twenty Journals devoted to jurisprudence, of
which a very few are mere reports of decisions—
eight to education, which does not tbrm the
staple of one periodical in Britain, so far as we
know—twenty-one to science, which forms the
material only of four or five in London—and
twenty-two to medicine, which numbers only six
or seven in its service in the British metropolis."
In England we have heaven-born Legislators,
who are freed from the necessity of devoting
themselves to the study of Legislation, but a
Frenchman can only hope to obtain the confi-
dence of his fellow-citizens by proving that he
has merited it by his previous. exertions. But
this is a state of things which eannot,be very ac-
ceptable to M. de Polignac, who no,doubt looks
back with regret to the time when a Statesman
was formed in the ball-room, and not in the
study, and when if he had the air of the Court,
his orthography was overlooked. That the
English Aristocracy, the only remains. in Europe
of the old order of things, should have encou-
raged M. de • Polignac in his feudal prepos--

sessioes, and convered him to their ideac
as to the necessity of re-establishing primoge-
uiture in France, is also exceedingly probable.
Without, therefore, attributing his elevation to the
English Ministry, we can easily believe that he
has returned with prepossessions in favour of the
political excrescences, as it were, of England,
which must peculiarly incapacitate him for the
administration of France. Among our extracts
from the French papers will be found some de-
tails respecting the election at Bordeaux, where
the Liberals have carried the day by a great ma-
jority. Bordeaux used to be the head-quarters
of loyalty to the Bourbons, and so marked a
victory in that quarter is quite decisive as to the
feelings of the French nation. The election
was also one of those in which the rich men
have the most influence. Another circumstance
is noticed, namely, that the candidate returned
would have probably obtained more votes if he
had not. belonged to a religion which is not pro-
fessed by above one-tenth of the French. Bor-
deaux is the native place of M. de Peyronnct,
but this does not. seem to have obtained for him
the favour of his fellow-citizens, who are said to
have insulted him on his issuing from the Elec-
toral College. The Gazette de France dwells
on the necessity of arresting in time a move-
ment which threatens the• existence of the Mo-
narchy. " Whatever may be the difficulties
which we have yet to surmount (says that jour-
nal), the combat is begun, and that is the first
condition to arrive at victory. No one can
doubt that this system of resistance on which
we have entered is the only one which u,:-.2rs any
chance of safety, and that at all events it can
have no worse result than that. we should have
had under the Ministry of concessions." The
result may not be so very simple as this journal
would have it. It is pretty clear, from the re-
sult of the Bordeaux elections, and other indi-
cations, that the people of France view the com-
bat for Monarchy, as it called, in a very different
light from that in which it is viewed by the
Ministry and their abettors. It is dangerous to
proceed to far in the way of provoking a high-
spirited people like the French.—Morn. Chron.
The Duke of Wellington is stated to have
paid into the Treasury a thousand and some odd
pounds, as the salary or emoluments of his
office of Lord Warden of the Cinque Pmts.
There is, we confess, apparently an ad-captan-
dunz sort of chivalrous affectation about this,
which we do not much admire. If the fees or
salary, or whatever they are, of the office, are
such as ought to be refunded by the possessor,
then we think it follows that they ought never
to have been received. 'What is originally
wrong cannot be made originally right by any
subsequent proceeding of this kind. If the
office is a sinecure its emoluments ought to be
abolished. An act of justice ought not to de-
pend for its perrniance upon the will or the
caprice of any man. If it is a mere spontane-
ous act on the part of the Duke, arising from a
consciousness that he is already sufficiently pro-
vided for by the country, then that is a reason
why his Grace should not have taken this addi•
tional office. Besides, we conclude that, by
paying the amount of the emoluments of the
office into the Treasury, it goes to a fund from
which it never came, and which has no claim
upon it. If the emoluments arise, as we
suspect they do, from fees—if they are unfit
to be retained, they ought either never to
have been received, or at .any rate should
be returned to those who paid them. Thus
applied, it has the appearance of inflicting a
local tax for the general benefit ;—with this ag-
gravation, that the individuals suffer the hard-
ship of the taxation without the community
being sensibly benefited by the application. This
bears no similitude to the noble act of the Mar-
quis Camden, who has been so much and so
justly extolled. The Marquis holds an office of
large and inordinate emolument, which Parlia-
ment, by a solemn adjudication, has said shall
cease to be such after his death. Lord Camden,
with a liberal and just high-mindedness, which
we repeat cannot be too much admired, says
that he will not allow his life to be a burden to
the country ; and by every year refunding what
he receives beyond what would be the receipts
of his successor, puts the country by anticipa-
tion in the same situation as his vacating his
Tellership would do. But here is a returning
of money which ought or ought not to be re-
ceived. If it ought, then the next holder of
the office will keep its proceeds; if it ought not,
then the receipts should be put an end to, and
the country not be left to owe that to any one's
liberality which the justice of Parliament ought
at once to take away.—Morning Herald.

Mr. Cobbett has announced his intention of
commencing a series of Lectures on the subjects
highly interesting to all classes of the commu-
nity. We need not add that we shall give full
and efficient reports of them.. However much
we may differ from the opinions which are occa-
sionally put forth in the Register, it is but
justice to own that no one can read them with-

out being benefitted. Whether Mr. Cobbett
shall succeed equally well as a Lecturer, remains
to be seen ; but from what he states in his last
Register on the subject, we hove but little
doubt upon it. " With regard to the mode of
conducting the Lectures," says he, " it will be
that which is pursued in other cases. Far from
me be the ambition to shine as what the Irish
call an orator. I have the most thorough con-
tempt for speech-making,havit ig observed through-
out my life that the most valuble speech-makers
are the greatest fools. Plain talk is all that I
aim at, conveying truth in a clear and in-
telligible manner. I should not like, indeed, to
stand up and hacker and stammer like a poor
thing protected by law from the contempt of my
hearers ; and, indeed I should despise my
audience if they would endure it; for I am for no
eloquence, no ' intense eloquence'; plain matter
in plain words, addressed to plain understand-
ings: those are the things that I am at." In
the present state of the country no man who
professes to speak sense, and nothing but sense,
and fidfils his promise to that effect, need
despair of an audience. The country is in a
deplorable.; state, and every one is anxious to
know what Cobbett professes that he will teach
—its causes and the remedies.—Morning Ad-
vertiser.—[The article upon the East India
Trade in The Sun of Saturday, under this
head, was by mistake attributed to the Ilorning
Herald—it should have been the Morning
Advertiser, front which paper it was copied.]

A regiment of nearly 1,400 geese are making
a rapid march. The General not being a very communi-
cative chap, we coull not exactly ascertain where they
were bound for. Vary quartered near St. Ives on Thurs-
day last, and we presume their next quarters will be near
Cambridge, where they will remain for a month, previous
to their final much to the metropolis, where a terrible
conflict is likely to ensue about Cluistmas. The enemy
is well disciplined, and we fear very feW will escape their
hungry stomachs.--Huntingdon Mercury.

I'OLICE IN FELTAGENCr.

MANSION-HOUSE.

On Saturday Alderman VENABLES sat for the
Lord Mayor.

Jahn :ilrenbani, a porter, in the employment of
Messrs. Bowman and Winter, Manchester ware-
housemen, of No. 21, Budge-row, Watling-street,
was charged with sietilit4,,, a 1,0001. Bank of Eng-
land note, the property of his masters.
Mr. Bowman, who attended to make the charge,
stated, that on Thursday, the firm in which he was
a partner had received a 1,0004 note, %t hick was de-
posited in a drawer by the clerk. On Friday, when
the note was required, 'in order to its being lodged
at their banker's, it was missing, and they were
much alai mcd at finding that they had not taken
the number of it. They were aware, however, that
they had received it from Captain Farr, of the East
India Company's sei vice, and accordingly witness's
partner, Mr. Winter, went to the India House,to en-
deavour to get the number of the note. There
they found that Captain Farr had received two
1,000/. notes on the preceding day at the Bank of
England, the numbers of which were 601 and 602,
and that he had paid one of them away to other
parties, and that the number of that was 602; con-
sequently, the, number of Messrs. Bowman and
Winter's note was 601. They next proceeded to
the Bank, where they were informed that the note
had unfortunately been paid in at about one o'clock
on Friday, in the name of John Law, which was
written on it, with the address, '' No. 21, London-
wall." The person had received in change 650
sovereigns, a 3001. note, and a 50/. note. While he
(Mr. Bowman) was at the Bank, a gentleman called
to say that the porter of witness's house had ab-
sconded. Ile then went to the Mansion-house, and
saw Herdsfield and White, the officers, who imme-
diately took measures to examine the different
coaches going out of town, and who managed things
so dexterously that the prisoner was in custody in
two hours after.

Richard Clears, the clerk, on Thursday evening

deposited the 1,0001 note in a wooden drawer,
which he put into the iron safe. The drawer was

lot locked.

Mr. Alderman VENABLES asked the prosecutor
whether he was not in the habit of sending large
notes of that description to his banker's at once ?
We understood Mr. Bowman to say that gene-
rally they did send them to their banker's, but
they had omitted to do so in the present instance.
Mr. Alderman VENABLES being a man of business
himself, uniformly sent noes of a much smaller
amount to his banker's, not merely with a ♦iew to
secutity, but to prevent temptation.
The examination proceeded :—The pris6ner was
not present when the witness deposited the note in
the drawer; at about eleven o'clock on Friday
morning he went to the drawer and found the note
was there ; at about a quarter-past one Mr. Winter
asked him for the note, but on opening the drawer
again he found that it was gone; the prisoner who
had been sent out in the meanwhile, did u9(return,
and after some time they sent to inquire after him,
when it was found that he had taken his trunk in a
great hurry from his landlady's,and told her he was
going out of town, and would not be back for a
week.

Thomas Herdsfiehl, one of the officers employed,
described the mann in which he proceeded to trace
him, from which it appeared, as well as from the
acknowledgment of the prosecutors, that he had
exerted himself with great sagacity and zea'.
Thomas White, the officer who took him, went,
accompanied by one of Mr. Bowman's porters, to
Piccadilly on Friday, and after waiting for some
time, saw the prisoner go up to the Bath and Bris-
tol coach, when he arrested him. This was about
five o'clock in the evening ; the prisoner had just
engaged his seat to go to Bristol. On searching
him he found a 300/. note, a 50/. note, and 17
sovereigns in his pocket; the notes were in his coat
pocket, and the sovereigns in his waistcoat; he
found the remainder of the thousand pounds in the
prisoner's box at a public-house in St..latnes's-street ;
the box was directed " C. Healy; passenger, Bris-

tol;" in the box were 637 sovereigns, which was
4/. more than the prosecutors had lost ; his brother,
or a man describing himself as his brother, was with
him at the time.

After some conversation relative to the arrange-
ment of the evidence, the prisoner was remanded for
further examination, and to give time for the produc-
tion of other evidence.