The Sun.
London, England, 1845-05-20 00:00:00

lISOELLELNISOUS.

Much interest is excited in Kent by the agricultural
fete which is to be given on Wednesday next, by Vis-
count Torrington, at his seat, Yoker Court, near Mereworth,
Kent. At the last anniversary dinner of the Kent and Maid-
stone cattle show, the Noble Viscount announced that he was
erecting a suite of farm buildings on the most approved
plan, combining every suggestion of practical utility, and
that when that homestead was completed, he hoped his agri-
cultural friends would come and see it. His Lordship has
issued between three and four hundred invitations for Wed-
nesday, and all the arrangements for the entertainment are
made on a most sumptuous scale.

The Duke of Wellington has engaged the following vocal-
ists for the fifth performance of ancient music, which will
take place on Wednesday evening, under the direction of his
Grace :—Madame Caradori Allan, Mdlle. Brambilla, and
Mdlle. Vera (her first appearance); Messrs. Hawkins Ma-
chin, Staudigl, and Pischek. ,
Mr. Hudson, the sub-inspector of the factories in Ireland,
has proceeded against several of the proprietors of factories
in Belfast, for infringements of the law in permitting women
and boys to work on Good Friday—the penalties vary from
101. to 201.

The symphonies selected for the fifth Philharmonic Con-
certs are Beethoven's in F, and Mendelssohn's No. 2 in A.
Mr. W. S. Bennett will play a pianoforte concerto, by Mo-
zart. The overture to Faust will be performed, followed by
a vocal scene by Herr Staudigl and Herr Oberhoffer.
The London Association for the Protection of Trade have
got up and extensively circulated a petition to Parliament
for a repeal of the Act of last session, abolishing imprison-
ment for all debts under 201. The petition also prays tor the
adoption of some better means than at present exist for the
recovery of debts under 201. contracted previous to the pass-
ing of the late measure.
The steam-ship Great Western, Captain Mathews, having
been in port during little more than a week, again departed
from Liverpool fot New York, on Saturday afternoon, carry-
ing out from 60 to 70 passengers, amongst whom was the
Count de Talaru,Yand the usual mail.
The course of lectures for the ensuing Trinity Term, which
commences on Thursday next, founded by Sir Thomas Gres-
ham, will be read at the theatre of the college in Basinghall-
street, City, at twelve o'clock in the forenoon, in Latin and in
English, at one o'clock in the afternoon precisely, on the
days, and by the gentlemen hereunder specified, viz. :—Thurs-
day, May 22, and Friday, 23, the Rev. Joseph Pullen, on
astronomy, Monday, 26, and Wednesday ; 28, H. H. Southey,
M.D., F.h.S., on physic ; Friday, 30, and Saturday, 31, the
11,:v. Samuel Birch, on geometry ; Monday, June 2, and
Tuesday, 3, William Palmer, sq., on law ; Wednesday, 4,
and Thursday 5, the Rev. enry John Parker, on divinity ;
Friday, 6, and Saturday, 7, the Rev. Edward Owen, on rhe-
toric; Monday, 9, Tuesday, 10, and Thursday, 12, Edward
Taylor, Esq., on music, at seven in the evening precisely.

MONEY and COMMERCIAL NEWS.
(From The Sun of Last Night.)
The Cotton Market at Liverpool on Saturday was steady.
Sales 4,500 bales, including 500 Surat at 23/4d. to 3d.,
nearly all the rest being American. There was no
change in prices. The shares of established lines
of railway were good, but Scrips were heavy.
Barnsley Junction, Half Shares, 40s. 41s. ; Birkenhead,
Manchester, and Cheshire, 1014 ; Belfast and Ballymena,B% ;
Bolton, Wigan, and Liverpool, 12% ; Caledonian, 11%
% ; Cambridge and Lincoln, 7% ; Chester and Birken-
head, 55 ; Ditto, New Shares, 48%; Ditto, Half Shares, 27%
; Chester and Holyhead, 16 ' • Churnet Valley, 6 % ;
Clitheroe Junction, VA ; Cork and Waterford, 2% ;
Coventry and Nuneaton, 3 ; Dublin and Galway, 414 ;
Grand Junction, Half Shares, 115% ; Ditto, Eighth Shares,
20% ; Great Southern and Western, 23% ; Huddersfield
Canal and Railway, 714 ; Liverpool and Manchester, New
Skares, 38% ; Liverpool, Ornsskirk, and Preston, 445. 214 ;
London and Windsor, 14 ; Londonderry and Enniskillen, 414;
London and York, 43/4 ; Direct Northern, 314 645. ; Leeds
and Dewsbury, 10 % ; Leeds and Thirsk, 71A ; Leeds and
West Riding Junction, 10 ; Manchester and Birmingham,
58 ; Ditto, New Shares, 714 ; Manchester and Leeds, 154 ;
Ditto, Half Shares, 691 A ; Ididland Railway, 1621;6 3 ; Ditto,
40/. Shares, 20 19% ; -Ditto Consolidated Birmingham and
Derby, 125 1,4 ; Newcastle and Berwick, 151/2 ; Newcastle
and Darlington, 49 ; Ditto, New Shares, 291/2 ; North
Western, 86s. 3d. 414 ; Oxford and Birmingham Junction,
33/2 ; Shrewsbury and Hereford, % ; Shrewsbury, Wolver-
hampton, and Birmingham, 51/a ; Shrewsbury and Grand
Junction, 6% ; South-Eastern and Dover, New Shares, No. 1
15 14% ; Ditto, No. 3,6% ; Trent Valley, 181/2 ; Ditto
West
Continuation, 18s. 6d. ; 'Welsh Midland, 21. 38sLi
Yorkshire, 21/ 435. ; Wexford and Carlow, 41/2 ; Worcester
and Tring, 4.4 •, York and Carlisle, 22A ; Ditto, New Half
Shares, 18 ; Bordeaux and Toulouse, ; Lyons and Avig-
non (Englieb), 58s. 64. Namur and Liege, 614 ; Northam

ONE CLOSING
PRICES OF FOREIGN FUNDS. O'CLOCK. PRICES.
Brazilian Bonds
Ditto, New, 1829 and 1839 86% 86%
Chilien Bonds 6 per Cent.... • —
Ditto. Deferred
Mexican, 5 per Cent. 1837 36%% 36%
Ditto Account
Ditto, Deferred 17% 17%
Portuguese Bonds, 5 per Cent
Ditto, Converted 67% 671,E
Ditto, Account 67% 67%
Russian Bonds ... 1181/4 118 118
Spanish 5 per Cent. 1840
Ditto. Account — 29%
Ditto, Passive
8
Ditto 3 per Cent. ...... ......
14
Ditto, Account 42% 41%
Venezuela Bonds, 2 per Cent —
Ditto, Deferred l3l 131,E
Belgian 414 per Cent.
Dutch, 2% per Cent
Ditto, 4 per Cent., Certific 9B 9814
PRICES OF CLOSING
PAID. A ONE O'CLOCK.
RAILWAY SHARES PRICES.
Aberdeen
Armagh, Coleraine, and
Portrush • 1% 2%
Binning. and Gloucesterloo
Bristol and Gloucester... 30 ..••••
Caledonian
Ditto Extension ...... 2 %...... 3% VA
Cambridge and Lincoln 1% •••••• 7N'o % 7%
Chester and Holyhead... 5
Chichester and Brighton 10
Churnet Valley
Cork and Waterford ... 114 E 2%3/4% 2l'
Direct Northern
Dublin, Belfast, and

Coleraine
Dublin and Galway._ .. 2%....... 41A
41,
Dublin and Mullingar... 91;2 4%
43/(4
Eastern Counties 25 ... 18%4 lBl3
Eastern Union l5 . ..
Ditto Extension
Edinburgh and Glasgow 50
Ely and Bedford
Great South. and West.

(Ireland)
Ditto Extension
Great Munster
Great. North of Englaud.,loo 207 205
Ditto New - 5
Ditto New
Great Western BO ...

Ditto % Shares 5O 105% ...... ....,... 105%
Guildford, Fare'm,Ports. 24
Hull and Selby 5O 106% 1071 A 107%
Do. Half Shares

London and Birminghm (5t0ck)...236 236 235
Do. New Thirds
London and Blackwall. 16/. 13s. 4d. 9
London and Bright0n... 50
London and Croydon, 131. 15s. 9d 18%1,4 lB
Do. New l3s 4d 1 1
London and S. Western 411 6a 10d 79111,__ .. SO
Do. Consolidated Bths 12

Do. New
London and York 2% 4%% 4%
Londonderry and Ennis-
killen ... 2% 5 43/4 514 54
Lynn and Ely
Manchester and Leeds... 73 155
Do. % Shares
Do. Quarters
Do. Sixteenths ..... ... 2
Midland 100
Do. New
Midland,Birm.,Derby...loo 126 127 12514 126
Newcastle and Darling-
ton Junction 25 ... 48
Do. New Brandling... 10
Newcastle and Berwick 11,4 14% 15
Newry and Enniskillen. 2% ..... 5
Newark and SLeffield .. 1% 4% ......... ...... 4%
North British ..... ...... 10
Do. New
Northern and Eastern... 45
North Kent 23/4.. ..
North Wales
Norwich and Brandon... 10
Perth and Inverness ... 2%
Richmond and West End

Junction - 1
Rugby, Worstr, & Tring 1
Scottish Central
Scottish Midland ll/2... . 31
Shrews., Wolverhamp.,
Dudley, and Birm 2%. 5 45 3/4 53/4
South Eastern & Dover 3312 s 4d... 41 403/4 414._ 41
Do., No. 1 8
Do., No. 2.
Do., No. 3
South Wales ..... -.... ... 21/2 5% 6 6
Waterford and Kilkenny 1
West Cornwall
Ditto % Shares .. 25
Do. Selby
Do. ExtensiOn-I:RE=
20
Boulogne and Amiens-. 4
Bordeaux, Toulouse, and
Cette
Dijon and Mulhouse ... 2
'l_ N. • '...• •
HIURAILW6ISBBIAI3I,7 ...
7 651882/2

- A•
Great North. of France.. 4
Do. do. (Rosamel's) 2
Jamaica Junction 11,12 3
Louvain and Jemeppe... 2 ... . .........•.
Namur and Liege
Orleans and Vierzon ... 2 ...... 15 14%
Orleans and Bordeaux... 2 ...... 11% JO% 11% 111
Over Yssel 413 s 4d l,
is
Paris & Lyons, Laflitte'a 2
Paris and Lyons, Gan-
neron's, ... ..
Paris and Strasbourg ... 2 33
Paris and St. Quentin ... 2
Rouen and Havre
Royal North of Spa ... 2
Sambre and Meuse ~in
10% 10 .. .... 4
Tours and Nantes, Mac-
kenzie's
JOINT STOCK BANKS.
National of Ireland
Provincial of Ireland ... 25

PORTUGAL.—SOUTILAMPTON, MAT 19.—The Pe-
ninsular and Oriental Company's steam-ship, Montrose, Capt.
Wilson, arrived this morning, at seven o'clock, from the Pe-
ninsula, bringing the Peninsula and Gibraltar mails. This
vessel brings fifty-eight passengers, among whom is his
Excellency Baron Mancha', with dispatches from the Por-
tuguese Government. Her dates of departure are—From
Gibraltar May 9, Cadiz 10, Lisbon 13, Oporto 14, Vigo 15,
and Corunna 16. The Montrose brings 15 packages of specie,
73 chests of oranges, 370 half chests of oranges, 14 cases of
leeches, &c. The news from Lisbon is without interest. Five
per Cent. Inscriptions, 72 73; Four per Cent. Inscriptions,
57 58 ; Bank of Lisbon Shares, 820 830 milreis ; Bank of
Oporto Shares, 220 222 milreis.
The will of the Marquis of Westminster has just
been proved. The personal estate in England, and within
the province of Canterbury, is sworn under 350,0001. He
bequeaths to his wife an annuity of 6,5001., in addition to
her property under settlement. His estates at Westminster
and the manor of Ebury are bequeathed to his eldest son,
the present Marquis; his estates in Chester, Flint, and. Den-
bigh, as well as the presentation to the rectory of Prestwich,
Lancaster, to his son, Thomas, Earl of Wilton ; his Moor-park
estate, and a legacy of 170,0001., to his son, Lord Robert
Grosvenor. He leaves the pictures, &c., in the gallery and
elsewhere, at Grosvenor-house, together with the Nassuck
diamond, weighing 357 grains, the magnificent brilliant ear-
rings, weighing 223 grains, and the round brilliant, weigh-
ing 125 grains, as heir-looms. Also the pictures at Eaton-
hall, as heir-looms with that property. He bequeaths to the
present Marquis the furniture and other moveables at Eaton-
hall, and also the family jewels, and appoints him residuary
%atm Sic codicils were appended to the v4ll.

ANOTHER SUSPICIOUS CASE.
An occurrence, which has caused a great sensation, has just
taken place in Hampstead. It appears that, on Tuesday week
last, a fashionably attired young female, accompanied by two
persons in the garb of gentlemen, arrived in a cab at the
house of Mr. Allen, tailor, in High-street, Hampstead, and
engaged of Mrs. Allen some ready furnished apartments she
had to let, the lady passing as the wife of one of the supposed
gentlemen. The gentlemen visited her together once or
twice, the last visit being on Wednesday last. From the
period of their departure up to Friday morning, between three
and four o'clock,_ Mrs. Allen never heard or saw anything of
the young female; she was then awakened by hearing loud
screams, and on proceeding to the young woman's apartment
she discovered the door locked. The screams continuing, she
had it forced open, and the unfortunate female was then die-
covered lying on the bed in strong hysterics, and a newly-
born child lying near her, quite dead, and turned neatly
black. Mr. Gower, surgeon of Hampstead, was instantly
sent for and attended, and the female, whose m.me has
been discovered to be Caroline Gaids, and her age 22,
recovered her senses for a short period, and on being ques-
tioned as to where she had obtained some bottles of medicine
found in the room, she admitted that they bad been pro-
vided for by her friends who brought her there. She
became worse and worse, and died about eight o'clock
the same morning. After death, singular to relate, Mrs.
Gower, the wife of the surgeon who had been called in,
same and took away the bottles of medicine just alluded to,
and by some means or other the parties who had brought
the deceased to Hampstead were made acquainted with the
death. They gave directions for the immediate interment of
both mother and child, adding at the same time to the un-
dertaker that money was no object, so that the burial could
be promptly effected with secrecy. Within a few hours of
death the body of the female turned to the same black line
as the deceased child, and on another medical man being
called in, he expressed his opinion that the deceased had
been destroyed by the administration of certain mixtures
taken to procure abortion. These circumstances coming to
the knowledge of Hunt, the summoning officer, he lost no
time in making the coroner acquainted therewith, and Nr.
Wakley, having understood it to be the determination of the
parties to bury the bodies on Sunday, issued a warrant to
Inspector Grey, of the S division, to prevent the funeral
taking place, should it be attempted. He has also issued his
warrant to Mr. Lord, the surgeon, of Hampstead, to make a
post mortem examination. The parties concerned have been
traced, although their right names have for the present
been withheld. There are also some other parties whose
conduct is highly culpable in the affair; and it is asserted
that not only had the bottles which had contained the mix-
tures taken been disposed of, but a considerable sum ofmoney
known to be is possession of the deceased has also disappeared.

MADAME ANN♦ Tun.LoN.--We regret to hear that
the indisposition of this lady still continues, and that at pre-
sent great uncertainty prevails as to the day on which she
will agaia be in a situation to appear before the public. Her
medical attendant, Mr. Yearsley, is of opinion that if she
progresses as favourably towards recovery as she has hitherto
done, she may possibly act on Wednesday next. The daily
announcements of her appearance in the Enchantrais are
much to be deplored both for her own sake and that of the
management. _

DEATH OF MR. ROBERT HALFORD, THE COMEDIAN.
—This well-known actor died suddenly, at a quarter to ten
on Sunday morning. He had been at Drury-lane, the Eng-
lish Opera, the Olympic, and other theatres. In 1843 he
suddenly lost his voice, and was wholly incapacitated from
following his profession. Though in ill health for many
weeks he was only confined to his bed for ten days. Mr. Hal-
ford's real name was Hall ; his father was an eminent poul-
terer in the neighbourhood of Red Lion-square. The deceased
was stage-manager for Miss Smithson when that lady pro..
duced so much sensation in Paris.
SIR WILLIAM W. FOLLETT.—We regret to state
that the health of the Attorney-General, Sir Wm. Webb
Follett, continues in a very precarious state, and that he has
been confined to his bed-room at his mansion in Park-street,
Westminster, for the last fortnight. Lady Follett is most
unremitting in her attentions to the Learned Gentleman,
seldom leaving him for a single moment, except for the pur-
pose of attending Divine service at Westminster Abbey, the
early service of which she invariably attends daily. Dr.
marriage,
sometimesbeing three times. l'ester-
his brother-in-law,
Bright, the medical attendant of Sir William, and who is
twice by
and
day (Sunday), we have much pleasure in adding, he was aatlsteo
attends
relatedh im t o
daily,
him
con-
sidered somewhat better.—Post.

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CHRISTENING OF THE HEIR OF VISCOVPIT VILLIERS.
—On Saturday last the infant son and heir of Viscount and
Viscountess Villiers was baptised at St. George's Church,
Hanover-square. Sir Robert and Lady Peel, the Countess of
Jersey and Ladies Clementina and Adele Villiers, Viscount
Campbell,
interesting the
v.
and Viscountess Villiers and Miss Villiers, the Hon. Captain
and Lady Elizabeth Villiers, the Marchioness of Douro, Lady
John
ne
Camat
Fuller,.peel,s, Ladyc., Humepresent weresolemnity. The Queen was graciously pleased to signify her
pleasure to become sponsor for the noble infant; and in am
Peel and Lady
absence of her'Biajesty, the Marchioness of Douro was de.
puted to. act. Sir Robert Peel and the Earl of Jersey were
the two other sponsors—the Earl of Jersey, who was pre-
vented from being present by indisposition, being represented
by the Hon. Frederick Villiers. The ceremony was performed
by the Rev. Mr. Hewitt, the rector, and the infant received
the names of Victor Albert George. At the conclusion of the
ceremony the party repaired to the Earl and Countess of
Jersey's residence in Berkeley-square, where an elegant
dejeuner awaited them.
NAVAL PROMOTIONS AND APPOINTMENTS..-PTO•
motions.—Assistant-Surgeon—J. Davidson, to be surgeon,
for services in China. Appointments.—Commander Harry
Edgell, to Siren. Lieutenants—H. Stokes (late First Lieu-
tenant of the • Tartarus), and G. Pigot, to Siren; W. H.
Bridge (late of the Cormorant), additional, and T. Gresham,
to Vernon. Masters—G. B. Hoffmeister, to Victory; J. G.
H. Thain (acting), to Victoria and Albert, for service in the
Fairy, royal yacht tender; J. Whiting, to Siren. Paymaster
and Purser—H. D. Cunningham, to Siren ; T. E. Gould to
Stromboli, and not to the Queen, as stated in our last. Sur-
geons—J. J. Paul, to Siren :J. W. Elliott, to the Marion
convict ship. Mates—Edward Couch, to Erebus; J. T. S.
Winthrop, to Jackal ;C. M. Luckraft, to the Queen. Assist-
ant-Surgeon—J. Acton, to Siren ; Dr. Irving, to Tortoise ; J.
G. Risk, to Greenwich Hospital. Second Master—R. NT?
Roberts, to Victoria and Albert. Clerk—J. Timpson, to
Vernon. Coast Guard.—Appointments--Commander WU+
Liam Prowse, to Harwich district; Lieutenant John Osmond
Freeland, to command the station at Kingston. Removals—
Commander William M'llwaine, to Dartmouth district, Vita
M. Bate, deceased; Lieutenant Edward Drew, from Braits•
combe station, to command the station at Porthpean, vim
Lieutenant William Lory, resigned. The following mates
passed in navigation, at the Naval College, on Tuesday
Messrs. Edward Scott, Augustus Chetham, W. K. G. Palli-
ser, Excellent ; Edward Couch, Erebus ; Horatio Nelson, aid
Augustus G. Ernest Murray, late Dublin.—Hampshire
egraph.

LONDON AND BIRMINGHAM BAILWAY.—Notwith.
standing the reduction altogether of 25 per cent. in the pak•
senger fares, and as much in their good charges, the laat
week's traffic is 2,8001. over the corresponding week of laii(
.year. This is pretty forcible evidence of the results of lo'ff,
fares and quick .trains, combined with a skilful adaptation Of
them to the nblic wants. We have given it in one week,
but if carried over the year it will exceed 140,0001. per =Ws&
.--.lfcrapath's Railway year

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
710CZ:SE OF LORDS, May 19.
The LOUD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-
sack shortly after Five'o'clock.
.Amemagefrona.the Commons brought up several Bills.
The Exchequer-bills Bill was read a third time and
passed.
Lord PORTMAN presented petitions from Somerset
in favour of the grant to the College, of Maynooth.
Lord BEAUMONT presented petitions from the
Catholics of. Clithero, 'Complaining of donations and be-
quests left for Catholic purposes having been appro-
priated to subjects other than those for which they were
intended.
The Bishop of ST. DAVID'S presented several pe-
titions against the grant to the College of Maynooth.
Lord MONTEAGLE presented petitions in favour of
the grant to the College of Maynooth from Tunbridge
Wells, signed by three Protestant clergymen and a great
number of inhabitants of that town.
The Marquis of ELY presented a petition from the
inhabitants. and parishioners of the parish of Keleskerry,
in the county of Tyrone, against the grant to the College
of Maynooth.
Lord STOURTON presented a petition against the
Debtors and Creditors' Bill.
PUBLIC MUSEUMS BILL.
Lord WHAItNCLIFFE moved the committal of the
Public Musaums Bill.
The Bill then went through Committee, in cer-
tain amendments were agreed to.
Lord ASHBURTON presented a petition from an in.
dividual, whose name the Noble Lord did not mention,
complaining of the hardship he had experienced by the
operation of the 20/. clause of the Debtors and Creditors'
Act.

He himself, when Lord Chancellor, had taken a different
course, and his Noble and Learned Friend had followed
the course which he himself had pursued, and
__ _

had, without the slightest regard fo party con •
siderations, made recently an excellent appoint-
ment to the judicial bench in the person
of one of the most learned, most able, and most honour-
able men in Westminster Hall, but who was supposed,
indeed was well known, to be a political opponent of the
present Administration. He hoped that this example
would always live in the recollection of other Govern-
ments, and that it would be followed by the successors of
his Noble and Learfttd Friend. So far for the courts of
common law. As for the courts of equity they were
making it the interest of the judge to decide on one side
of the question, by paying him 10,0001. a year instead
of 2,5001. a year, in peace or in war. He did not mean
to say that Sir William Scott, or any of his suc-
cessors, ever yielded to that temptation ; very
far from that ; but he would have them not
only free from guilt, but above suspicion ; but under
those circumstances it was likely that an uninterested
mind would imagine th things were not without their
influence. Dr. Lushington had now a fixed salary, and
he was no longer paid to the detriment of the country.
He was now paid 4,0001. a year, and was most properly
excluded from party conflicts and political controversies.
The objection to the Court of Delegates was a most just
one, as appeals were made from learned judges to un-
learned civilians. The Court of Delegates was abo-
lished and transferred to the Privy Council, which was
a remodelling ; and there an objection existed, as there
were three judges who, because they constituted a form,
were required to decide most important cases. That
was done away with ; and no one could doubt that a
great improvement had been made in that jurisdiction.
Bills were brought in and passed encouraging the set-
tling of courts of arbitration, according to the sugges-
tion of 1828, which had been greatly beneficial to suitors.
But he grieved to say that there was still an evil
which he rejoiced to find was sought to be
suppressed by the institution of county courts
of local judicature which would add to the benefits
of the suitor in this country. Out of 7,000 suits
which were brought into the Courts, 5,000 ceased
in consequence of the operation of the courts of recon-
cilement to which appeals might be made. This satis-
factory appeal was not compulsory, but optional, at least
compulsory, viz., when after a mutual trust a decision
had been accorded. He would now call attention and
solicit the most earnest attention of the landed interest,
on both "sides of the House, for there was not one por-
tion of the country which had so deep a stake in the law
of real property as they, and as to transfer and purchase
no class had so direct and directing an interest in the
amendment of the law as the landed proprietors. He,

tinily squeezed out of him by this process
as the breath, by any other, could be squeezed
out of his body. And all this was done by a legal spectre,
and against the law maxim, " qui prior tempore potius
jure," by substituting a flaw or fiction. Now, let it be
supposed that the third lender was secure in his title, he
was exposed to numerous risks. He must be a purchaser
without notice to be secured from incumbrance. Notice
might be actual or constructive. For instance the notice
might be served on a man's attorney or even upon his
attorney's agent, or through a Chancery suit, of which
the mortgagee had never heard. Again the courts of
law might presume that the term had been surrendered.
He knew an experienced conveyancer who was con-
cerned in a case where one of his clients was obliged to
seek through four different diocesan courts, at an ex-
pense of upwards of 4001., for a surrender of the term
in order to complete his title. Surely this required an
immediate and an effectual remedy. This fictitious
term ought to be quashed. The Bill he was
about to bring in would remove this great scandal to the
law. A Learned Friend of his was about to introduce a
Bill for the general registration of deeds, and nothing
could be more desirable. A case had recently happened
where it was supposed the will bad been burnt with the
mansion, and where, if so, the property would
have consequently gone to the heir-at-law. In
breaking up an old chaise, after the fire, an old
writing-desk was found, and out of this writing desk
tumbled the will by which the whole fortune, 30,0001.
a year, fell to the devisee, quite another person. The
only opponents to a proper system of registration were
the attorneys of Yorkshire, where the registration was
monopolized. At the time of the Reform Bill they pla-
carded the towns in that shire with Bills callingupon the
landed interest to resist the Bill, which threatened to in-

The Marquis of BREADALBANE presented a num-
ber of petitions against the increased Maynooth grant.
These were petitions against the proposed endowment.
His Lordship then presented petitions from Glasgow and
several other places against all grants to religious bodies,
one of which, from the Free Church of St. Cyrus, and
Dr. Keith, its head man, of European eminence. These
might be said to express the feelings of the Dissenters,
and to exhibit the force of the voluntary principle.
RAILWAYS.
Lord BROUGHAM was about to speak, when
Earl FITZWILLIAM begged to interrupt the Noble
Lord, by moving for the appointment of a Select
Committee for inquiry into the representations and com-
plaints of landowners whose lands were intersected by
any railway.

LAW REFORM.
Lord BROUGHAM could not help expressing his
pleasure at having given way to his Noble Friend, espe-
cially the Noble Lord connected with Yorkshire; and he
was rejoiced to find that the subject was likely to be taken
up with some prospect of utility. He had risen to
bring under their Lordships' notice that subject
of universal and enduring interest—the improve-
ment of the jurisprudence of the country. It was
now seventeen years since he had first brought this sub-
ject under the attention of Parliament in another House,
of which he was at that time a Member. The re-
sult of his Motions in that place had been the ap-
pointment of two commissions, one for the im-
provement of real property law, and the other for
the improvement of the process of the courts of law.
The results of the reports of these two Com-
mis3ions was the suggestion or the passing
of Acts for the amendment of the Civil Law

therefore, felt confidence in the recollection that every
Noble Member he addressed, had more or less an in-
terest in the land, and consequently in the subject then
before them. The first amendment in the case affect-
ing real property was the abolition of the law
of fine and recovery. When he had occupied the
place of his Noble Friend on the Woolsack he had re-
medied that defect. Before that reform, the tenant en-
tail, if late in life, and wishing to settle his property upon
those near to him by ties of consanguinity, could not
do it. The • delay, the enormous expense of fine and
recovery, threatened and deterred him. No longer,
however, did such odious anomalies exist; by the inter-
position of the Legislature, that disgraceful tax upon
property was removed. He knew of many landholders
who at the time of the passing of that measure, which
abolished so monstrous an abuse, waited a year, II nd,
fortunately being in the prime of life, waited without
injury, and by that course saved themselves hundreds,
ay, thousands of pounds. Some silly and old-fangled
notions at first furiously opposed it. It was fancied that
property, like gravitation, must always be acting down-
wards, and, like that notion upon gravitation, it was an
absurd fallacy, for gravitation did not necessarily require
a tendency downwards except as it was impelled by
some collateral power. If a man died then, without
brothers or sisters, it was held impossible that his pro-
perty should ascend backwards up to his nearest rela-
tions, and it virtually descended to those of whom the
devisee was utterly regardless. But all these fantastic
absurdities had been overcome, and happily they had
become obsolete. The statute of limitations next suc •

of the country. One of these laws was the improve-
ment of the law with •respect to personal rights, which
were called in the language of the Courts the law of
real and pvrsonal actions. It was with a geat sense of
obligation that he referred to the services of the eminent

men who had given their services on those commissions.

The other of these commissions had reference tothe rea

property of the country. The utmost diligence had been
used on those commissions to ascertain the source of the
evils, and to devise the most efficient remedies. He
could not, forget that on one of those commissions was
the distinguished man now the Chief Baron of the Ex.
chequ.n., anti that with him were those eminent members
okhe profes,ion, Mr. Baron Alderson. and Mr. Justice
Wightms,n. To the other were added those distinguished
conveyancers, Brodie, Tyrrell, Carr, Duval, and Du-
charest. No: should he forget that to the real property
commission was- added also the able assistance of his
Noble and LearnA Friend behind him, who was after-
wards Attornu- General; and brought to his duties not
only the great lal)ur, unsurpassed industry, and exten-
sive experience in the courts of law, but also those va-
rious and high talents which had ven him so prominent
a place in his procession. In addition to these benefits
there was n 1.40 a ,jeht of gratitude clue to his Noble and
Learned Friend, in that he KA given his entire time to
the commission, and during the whole period of his at-
tendance on that commission had refused all remunera-

ceeded, and by its great and invaluable requirements
had been made effectual in producing a reform more
complete, more salutary, than any which had yet cha-
racterised and purified our code. It was intended by
the Legislature to be a quiet enactment, to appease liti-
gation, to supply the defect of insufficient titles, ar.d, in
the graphic words of one of their ablest brethren, Lord
Plunkett; when addressing the other House, " when
Time stood with his scythe mowing down the myriads
of his victims, politic humanity had put an hour-glass in
his other hand, by which he measured the duration and
rapidity of the strokes." But that remedy had been un-
happily unsuccessful; the scythe had too often prevailed
over the sand, and another more effectual measure must
be sought. Instances had frequently occurred of a tenancy
in tail. enduring for 250 years, and then the old title re-
vived, and, though subject to devise, embarrassment,
mortgage, or exchange, and thus treated as a fee simple,
up suddenly started an adverse, au unexpected claimant,
and ousted the possessor from his inheritance. But the
great misfortune to be dreaded in this state of the law
was that a deed of conveyance might have been signed
and lying by for a number of years, and then up started
against the present owner some fatal objection that
never till then had been dreamed of. The Commission
of which he had been speaking having removed all the
chances of those objections, he did think that on that
account alone its labours had proved of great value. But
between the Ecclesiastical Commission and the commis-
sion on real property some slight difference existed, but
it was only as to a question of time, of twenty,
or thirty, or forty years.—(Hear, hear.) But
now all reversions were effectually barred, and all
real actions, with one exception, were swept away by
the Commissioners' report. But now, as he had said he
would, he would show their Lordships what remained to
be done. He had shown that the descent of property,
and the right to the possession of property, and the title,
had all been made clear and distinct, and, therefore,
property had in reality been made more valuable than
ever. But then there was the question of the transfer
of property. Nothing could be conceived worse than
the position of a person who wished to convey real
estates, or an estate held by fee simple, or by leasehold,
or for a term of years; and there was, also, the question
of the conveyance of property held in perpetuity, which
was one of great importance. Before the report of this
Commission, in every deed of sale or transfer there was
such an endless prolixity of statement in the preamble,
the recital, and all other parts of it, that it was impos-
sible it could be correct. To those who possessed large
estates, perhaps the expense of those deeds would
be no object ; but in the transfer of a small
estate the expense was so great that the owner could
not afford it; and the expense of transferring one acre
was as great as that of conveying one thousand. It was
not the mere expense of the parchment; it was the ex-
pense of the draftsmen; and the words were so nume-
rous that the chances of error were very great indeed;
and he questioned whether any person who signed one
of these documents ever read it, or did more than sign
his name and acknowledge the deed as his. Indeed, he
knew one conveyancer, a very respectable man, in whose
deeds many mistakes were discovered long after he had
died.—(Laughter.) In another case, that where a large
property in Oxfordshire was bequeathed, owing to the
omission of a single line, litigation ensued; the matter
was brought before the Court of Queen's Bench; the
Court of Queen's Bench decided in one way; the Court
of -Common Pleas another, and ultimately the House
of -Lords decided with the Court of Common Pleas.
Thus mistakes had occurred which might have
been fatal to the claims of the rightful owner.
Why should not these matters be made plain,
and reduced to as narrow a compass as possible? It
would benefit not only the landed but the commercial
interest, for when a merchant gave 20,0001. for an es-
state, he would, of course, desire its being fully secured
to him. Why should not the Legislature facilitate the
sale and transfer of land, and prevent the possibility of
a bad title through legal informality? Why should they
not protect the buyer from the effects of technical flaws,
by consolidating the law upon this subject into one
short deed? And the Bill be proposed to bring in had a
copy of that deed—four lines, and no more, which he
judged fully sufficient to answer all the purposes, and
AI hick had been entirely approved of by four of the most
able conveyancers in the country. An Act of Parlia-
ment in two pages would, he trusted, be passed, enact-
ing that whenever used this form of conveyance would
be guaranteed as to its entire sufficiency, and that all
had been done which the law required. Of course, if
there were persons who preferred a more ample and
complex form of conveyance, who would rather see
their titles on ten sheets of parchment than on a single
page, therwould be at liberty to hazard it. If a man
preferred a large form, wordy and involved, let him try
it, and God speed him—let him trust to the lawyers and
to the courts of law. The Bill he proposed con-
tained the very form which would be necessary
and the enacting words, both in case of sales and in
case of lease. When he saw the small amount of rent,
and the small value of annual payments frequently
made, he thought it was of still more importance to the
poor than to the rich that there should be a clear and
secure form.—(Hear, hear.) A defect had grown up in
our laws from the separation of law and equity. The
matter required some explanation. When a person
mortgaged any real property he did it, generally speak-
ing, on a term of years, 500 or sometimes even 1,000
years. The object of the term was, that the mortgagee
might be satisfied, and the purposes of the transaction
accomplished. In the course of some years this might
be the case, and properly speaking there ought to be
then a surrender of the term by the mortgagee. But
this was very often neglected. The term was, there-
fore, outstanding ; or it might be that the term surren-
dered to the mortgagor was kept alive by him for some
purpose of his own. The term might be supposed as
ideal, nominal, spectral—but it was no such thing, it wrs
a potent agent, often capable of creating mischief or de-
struction. This spectral creature of the imagination
was sometimes thought harmless—but it was not
so in many instances, which must be familiar
to his Noble and Learned: Friends. Suppo-ing
the term out. The borrower wishes to borrow more
money and creates another term,he and does not tell
the person of whom he borrowsthat there is another
term outstanding. The second termor has only the life
interest—because the other term •
sum.
Thatleal
estate. The borrower borrows a third
very often happened, for generally speaking amm.an who
once borrowed must borrow again. He went to the
third lender who knew nothing of what had passed. He
did not know that the borrower had not given him the
legal estate as well as the others. He lent the money,
but found there was an intermediate term, or not find-
ing it thought there might be, for he saw the borrower
go a fourth time to a lender. He becomes startled and
goes to the first termor, from whom he gets possession.
In this manner be, as lawyers technically and expres-
sively say, squeezes out the middle lender, and the
middle lender, though his title was older, so lost his
money and security. In fact, both were as effec-

tion for his services from his clients or the public. The
result of thee inquiries had been, that a great change
had taken place, nut only as it regarded the law of real
propeety, but in the practice of the courts, and the, law
of evidenc::. Ti.V,Se, who considered that no improvement
had take.: place in the law, would recollect the state it
was in, in 1828, at whieh time his late much-respected
friend Lord Eldon was at the head of the law of the
country. A great change had undoubtedly taken place
since that time. Great and salutary changes had been
brought into operation, so great, indeed, that were any
of the old lawyers to arise from their present re-
pose, where they lay undisturbed by the call of clients,
they would imagine they had been brought into
existence in a new world—(ilear, hear)—and
wou'd be altogether unable to recognise the
present state of the law, so much did it differ from that
which they had formerly supported. Such a result must
have afforded the greeeest satisfaction to those who sup-
ported not only amendment and improvement in the
law of the country, but the Legislature itself. Since
the 7th of February, 1828, of the many improvements
in the law then suggested, in fifty-eight instances im-
provements had been effected, and sixty-six carried into
effect as the law of the land. Not only in the matters
then suggested had improvements been effected, but
numbers of others incidentally introduced had also been
taken up, recommended by the Common Law Commis-
sion, and carried into effect by the Government. The
criminal law of this country was no longer as heretofore
in its general aspect the most cruel of all codes of civi-
lised countries, short of those who inflicted punishment
by torture. But in respect to capital punishments, it
had become the most humane in executing upon male-
factors the punishment of death for grave offences. It
was, in this respect, at the present time, the
most temperate, cauticus, and abstinent of any
civilised code in the world at the present day. In the
measures of reform carried out the Court of Chancery
had not been excepted, where formerly the law's delay
had wrapped its suitors in its endless folds. The pro-
ceedings there had been reduced to within moderate
confines, moderate when compared with the time when
Lard Eldon presided over it. In other Courts impor-
tant improvements been effected in their proceed-
ings. He might well say they had much reason to be
satisfied at these changes for the better ; but, great as
they had been, much yet remained to be effected—much
was yet required to be s vept away.. These successes
ought to encourage them to proceed in the improvement
of the present system—not too fast, however, but at a
moderate and duly regulated speed. The past success that
bad attended their efforts ought to encourage them to re-
newed efforts in the future. And therefore he, so en
couraged, felt bound to go on—not to rush wholesale
• and unadvisedly into alterations, but to carefelly look at
all—to examine all, so as to see where so much had been
done, and what has been left undone. He would shortly
state, in a few words, what he thought ought to be done ;
and he would not point out one single defect without at
the same time poluting out a safe and easy remedy for
those defects. And first, with regard to the courts of
law, he could not but admit that since the year 1828
great and important and extensive reforms had taken
place ia those courts. He could not but recollect that at
that time what he chiefly complained of was the different
amount of business in the different courts of common
law—that whilst the Court of Queen's Bench was over-
whelmed with work, and whilst the Court of Common
Pleas was sufficiently worked, the Court of Exchequer,
owing to a certain monopoly of the officers of the
Court, had scarcely anything to do. That defect had been
remedied. The monopoly the officers had been abo-
lished, a great pract;cal reform had taken place. and his
Noble tend Learned Friend at present on the Woolsack
had accepted the office of Lord Chief Baron, had brought
his great talent and great experience to bear upon that
Court, which ever since that time had been as well em-
ployed as any other. The opening of the Court of Common
Pleas was another reform which had taken place in the
year 1831. That Court had been opened by a warrant
from the Crown, and not by an Act of Parliament.
There could be no doubt but an Act of Parliament
could have opened the Court, but, unhappily, it
was doubtful whether or not the Crown pos-
sessed the power. The opening of the Court
was opposed, and his Noble Friend and himself
had been of opinion that the warrant of the Crown
was of no effect unless authorised by an Act of Parlia-
ment, and therefore the Court was again closed; but he
hoped that the matter would be reconsidered, and that
the Legislature would supply the defect whieh alone
prevented the opening of the Court. Then again there
was one Court, consisting of three judges, which had no
business, and which gave no satisfaction to suitors or to
the profession. That Court had been abolished. It had
been instituted in consequence of a simple notion then
prevailing that in the common law courts there could not
• be more than twelve judges. His Noble and Learned
Friend on the Woolsack, nut frightened at this super-
stition, had appointed three other judges, and there were
now fifteen judges of the courts of common law,
thought that many months would not elapse and
e
be-
fore they, would find that these fifteen would noty
be sufficient, and that it would be absolutely necessary
to make some other arrangement for an increase of the
judicial power. However, he would not allude further
to a subject which was still a matter for consideration.
Another subject cf complaint at that time had been that
the commencement of the periods of the Trinity and
Easter terms Were not fixed. That def et had been re-
medied by a Bill which had been introduced by Sir
James Scerlett, when he was Attorney-General. The
last important reform which had been effected, had been
by the abolition of the office of Welsh judge. The
gentlemen who held the offices of Welsh judges were,
during one half of the year, practising as barristers in
Westminster Hall, and during the other half of the
year going the circuit as judges. They were
Members of the House of Commons many -of them,
and of course voted according to their habitual
predilections, and yet. in Wales they were judges in the
last resort in criminal cases, and subject to appeal in
civil cases also. These jurisdictions had since been en-
tirely abolislvd. Another complaint which he., had
made in the year j£l2.s had noiV, he must confess, ceased
to have much fentdation, and the credit of the doing
away with this abuse was due to the present Govern-
ment. He had complained at that time of party-spirit
influencing the Lord Chancellor, in whom the nomination
of judges was vested, in appointing men to that high
judicial office. Such had been the practice at that time.

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY MORNING, MAY 20, 1845.

Learned Friend had prevented him from carrying on
his Bill, and now his Noble and Learned Friend was
unable to proceed with his own.—(A laugh.) He (Lord
Campbell) would not now go into a discussion of the
Bill, in which he expressed a general concurrence.
Lord BROUGHAM said he agreed with his Noble
and Learned Friend as to the importance of the Re-
gistry Bill, and, in fact, he had it prepared, and held it
now in his hand, and the only reason why he did not
propose to move now that it be printed with the eight
other Bills was, that he did not think much progress
could be made with it this session. The Noble and
Learned Lord then moved severally the first reading of
the following Bills :
An Act for securing the real Independence of Parlia •
ment
An Act for amending and declaring the law of mar-
riage;
An Act to facilitate the conveyance of property;
An Act to render the return of satisfactory terms un-
necessary;
An Act to give a remedy by way of declaratory suit";
An Act to facilitate the admission in evidence of cer-
tain official and other documents;
An Act to enable parties to be examined on trial of
civil actions; and
An Act to facilitate the administration of criminal
justice.
The Bills were read a first time, and ordered to be
printed.
The House then adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, May 19.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four
o'clock.

NEW MEMBERS.

vade their rights, and which would expose their private
legal transactions to the public gaze, although it was
expressly provided that nobody could see any re-
gistered document without being authorised by
the party who was interested in it. He would
bring in a Bill on that measure, but one considera-
tion—one duty—deterred him : he felt that they
must enlighten and improve the minds of the landed
interest, far the purpose of exciting them to a rebellion
to emancipate themselves from the penal statutes under
which they at present laboured. Unless they did that,
he thought that he should, by introducing such a Bill,
run the risk of losing the others. He hoped that their
Lordships would not think that his opinion in favour of
registration was in any way weakened ; but if it were put
in the same boat with the rest, he thought that the felon
of the crew might injure the rest. That was the reason
be did not bring in that measure. The reports of the
Common Law Commissioners alluded to the new rules
for the practice of these courts, and that at once did away
with a very large number of the objections urged in
February, 1828. With respect to the law of evidence,
much remained still to be done ; but the principal objec-
tion urged in 1828 had been removed by the Lord Chief
Justice's Bill, where evidence of any kind is not refused
on account of discredit. That Bill contained important
improvements on the law of evidence, and the great
improvement war, with respect to the length of time
during which church-rates would suffer from the Sta-
tute of Limitation. The limitation as to bonds
was also removed by a late statute. The law
of evidence had been much improved, as now
an eldest son, being in person a remainder
in estate tail to any man, may necessarily be examined.
No interest, however great, would now be sufficient to
exclude any man's evidence. They examined a de-
fendant in Chancery, and why should they not do the
same in the courts of law under a due restriction? He
now would wish to call the attention of their Lordships
to two great improvements—one in the civil and the
other in the criminal jurisprudence. In Scotland, if a
man possess a right by marriage or in any other way to
a property that may come in question, he may institute
an action for the purpose of having it declared whether
he had such a right or not. Not so in England, for no
man can tell whether he have property existing in
Scotland or in England, because there was no
means of bringing a declaratory action. The
criminal part was that to which he wished
to call the attention of the Noble Lord on
the woolsack. The Lord Chief Justice felt a deal of
inconvenience at not being able to send more frequent
commissions of oyer and terminer to the several counties
in England. The Central Criminal Court made it im-
possible that any person should be imprisoned for any
felony beyond a few months ; but if he happen to be
tried out of that district he may be imprisoned for
several months. Why should that be ? Because there
were not justices enough. But if they would create suf-
ficient justices, they might send offenders from the coun-
ties where the offences were committed to counties where
the justices were, and they would enable the Government
to send judges four times instead of twice a year, to all
the counties in England. Hitherto they had been deal-
ing with the rights of property, real and personal, and the
actions and remedies consequent upon such cases ; but
the most important of all these were the matters which
may affect property, or the rights, not of property, but
of real estates. In this country there were many per-
sons, and some of them of the highest rank in circum-
stances, whom no one can declare to be married or not.
Was not such practices shameful, and contrary to all
humanity? and hence arose a conflict between the laws
of Holland and England, which was quite disgraceful.
Lord Hardwick's Act was most inconsistent in itself ; it
required that no person shall marry under twenty-one
years of age without the consent of his parents, but with
banns they were allowed. It was most inconsistent,
for they might go to Birmingham, where four
hundred banns are proclaimed every morning ; or
they might go to Scotland for 5/, and come back
married, and the marriage was as good, according to
the customs of the country, as any marriage in the
world. That law was made to check the poor man
from carrying away a rich heiress. But they go off to
Scotland, if they even get a few pounds, so that the
law is perfectly inoperative for the purpose for which it
was intended. But he (Lord Brougham) proposed that
they should require a twelve months' residence in Scot-
land, before the divorce of an English marriage could
be given, and three weeks' residence in Scotland before
a Gretna-green marriage could be considered good.
It was also necessary that the forms should be
according to the customs of England, but they
were different in all countries ; and how could
they tell whether marriages contracted in England
Scotland or even in the East Indies were lawful He
hoped that they would quiet the minds of the people on
that subject. Before concluding he would just state that
there was no law more satisfactory than that respecting
the debtor and creditor, whereby imprisonment was
never inflicted for debt but in cases where fraud was in-
tended or for wilful extravagance. He hoped that
the Members of both Houses of Parliament
would no longer consider the freedom from arrest
as their prerogative, or the privilege of their situation.
While arrest was law, it was quite fit that the) should
be free from arrest, because they might be imprisoned
from factious purposes, or from the oppression of the
Crown. The law makers should not be law breakers;
but admitting that they ought to be free from arrest,
why should they not have the privilege of paying their
debts?—why should the Members of the Houses of
Commons and Lords be the only persons in the com-
munity exempt from the payment of debts? That was
a question which he wished to have answered, and
which he would enable the Houses of Parliament to
answer before he was much older. Let them see a Bill
passed to make the Members of the Houses
of Parliament liable to the payment of their
debts out of their property, and to be punished for frau-
dulently making :away with it. Let them not be re-
duced to such a deplorable state, that a man seeking
for a 30/. debt, could not get thirty pence. Was it fit
that they should continue the representatives of the
Cominons in one House, or hereditary justices in the
other ? How could a lord condemn a man for having
defrauded his creditors, when he himself was doing the
same every day ? They might have the courage to re-
fuse this Bill, but that courage would ooze out by de-
grees, and he believed that that man would not have to
live very long, who would survive to see that courage.
A bankrupt, according to Mr. Smith's Bill, could not
sit in the House of Commons, but there was no law at
present declaring that an insolvent man was not fit to
make laws which he himself could not obey.
He had now done. Some, if not all of these Bills, would
not lass. He had no manner of doubt that he would live
to see the whole of them pass. He hoped and trusted
that he should live to see the Registry Bill pass, and to
see a criminal code enacted ; and that, in addition to the
benefits which this Parliament and Government had con-
ferred upon the country, a digest of the laws would
follow, which would he an appropriate sequel.—(Hear,
hear.) If so, he should rest in peace and content from
his labours, satisfied with having had a hand, however
feeble—a share, however humble—in erecting a
column to the glories of the British Legislature
—(Hear, hear)—a column of the Composite order,
as originating in the virtues, the experience, and the
solid sense of the community, and adorned with all the
various fruits of all the various branches, which compose
and constitute and represent all classes and all interests
of this community alike.—(Hear, hear.) And if he
should have the happiness to aid the Ministers of the
Crown in doing that great work, he had no wish that any
name but theirs should appear upon the column.
Lord CAMPBELL said he should have been happy to
enter into ell the topics which his Noble and Learned
Friend had so ably introduced, if the hour of the night
were not so discouraging, and the state of the House itself
so formidable. Not even the eloquence of his Noble and
Learned Friend, who had the happiness to make the
driest of all subjects the most amusing—(A laugh)—nor
even the importance of the subjects themselves, had been
able to detain more Nobl6 Lords than himself (Lord
Campbell) upon that (the Opposition) side, and the
Noble President of the Council on the other. The other
Ministers of the Crown had retired to deliberate over
the affairs of the State—or perhaps to join at the re•
freshment table, where his Noble and Learned Friend on
the Woolsack was doubtless in haste to join them.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—No, not.—(A
laugh.)
Lord CAMPBELL hoped that his Noble and Learned
Friend would outlive the passing of these Bills. Indeed
his Noble Friend seemed to bare nine lives, like a cat,
and perhaps brought in these nine Bills to-night as the
auspicious number.—(A laugh.) There was one of these
Bills which he should most decidedly support, and that
was the Registry Bill, which was the one of the nine
with which his Noble Friend was not now prepared to
go on. When he (Lord Campbell) was a Member of the
other House, there was a Committee of the House of
Commons to inquire into the subject, and they were
almost unanimous in reporting in favour of a general
Majesty e honour
K ofi being
lvllliam register. But the object was defeated by the intrigues
of the country attorneys, who were still powerful enough
t
to obstruct the measure. When he (Lord Campbell) had
appointedhe
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least, or until the prejudice
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that purpose. He must, observe, however,
was a sort of poetic justice in the case. His Noble and

Lord LOFTUS, for Woodstock, and Sir W. W. WYNNE,
'or Denbighshire, took the oaths and their seats.
NEW WRIT.

On the motion of Mr. GASKILL, a new writ was or-
dered to be issued for Down, in the room of the Earl of
Hillsborough, now Marquis of Downshire.
Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition against the
West Cornwall Railway Bill.
The Hemel Hempsted Small Tenements Bill was read
a third time and passed.
Petition.; were presented against the Exeter and Ply-
mouth Railway Bill.
On the motion of Mr. SPOONER, the Bristol and
Gloucester Railway Bill and the Birmingham and Glou-
cester Railway Bill (Gloucester Extension, Stoke, Bir-
mingham and Midland Railway Junction), were read a
second time.
THE CORNWALL RAILWAY BILL.

Lord COURTENAY moved " That the petition of
Charles Jeffery (presented 16th May) be referred to the
Committee on the Cornwall Railway Bill ; and that it be
an instruction to the Committee, to permit the petitioner
to be heard, by himself, his counsel, or agent, upon his
petition."
Mr. GREENE opposed the motion. had the peti-
tioner attended to his own interests at the proper period,
the House would not have been troubled with this
motion at the present time. He did not think that the
general rule in those cases should be set aside in favour
of the petition.
The gallery was then cleared for a division but none
took place, as the motion, on being put, was negatived.
LONDON AND YORK RAILWAY.
Mr. P. IL )WARD presented a petition from Carlisle,
against the 30th clause of the London and York Rai'
way Bill.

BANKING IN IRELAND.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE presented a petition from
.;he shareholders and directors of the Hibernian Bank,
praying that the Company might be included in any
provisions of the new Bill regulating the banking
system of Ireland. Several other petitions were pre-
sented from other places to the same effect ; also ap, ti-
tion from the guardians of the Drogheda Union, pray-
ing for an alteration in the law of settlement as regarded
the poor-law in Ireland.
MAYNOOTH GRANT.
Mr. STRUTT presented a petition from a congregation
of Dissenters in Derby against the grant to Maynooth.
The Hon. Member also presented a petition in favour of
the Bill.
Colonel ROLLESTON presented petitions from places
in Cambridgeshire against the Maynooth Endowment
Bill.
Mr. HASTIE presented several petitions to the same
effect from places in Scotland.
Mr. STANTON presented a petition from landowners,
farmers, and others in Gloucestershire, complaining of
agricultural distress; and also a petition from Stroud
against the grant to Maynooth.
Sir J. HANDIER presented several petitions against
the grant.
MERCIIANT SERVICE BILL.
The HON. BARONET presented, also, a petition, signed
by three thousand seamen and merchants. complaining
of the operation of the Merchant Service Bill.
PUBLIC PETITIONS. _

Mr. B. HUGHES presented a petition against the
Maynooth Bill.
Dr. BO WRING presented a petition praying for the
modification of the criminal code
Sir W JAMES presented a petition from Hull in
favour of the Maynooth grar t.
Captain JONES presented a petition from London-
derry against the Maynooth grant.
Lord HARRY VANE presented petitions from Dur-
ham against the grant to Maynooth.
Mr. GROGAN presented petitions from Ireland to the
same effect.
Mr. 11. BERKELEY presented a petition from the
Chamber of Commerce in Bristol, praying for an inquiry
into the Insolvency Act passed last session, with the
view of affording a remedy.
Mr. SPOONER presented petitions from places in
Stafford, signed by 1,450 persons, against the grant to
Maynooth.
Mr. CHRISTIE, and other Hon. Members presented
similar petitions.
Mr. ALLIX presented six petitions from places in-
Cambridgeshire against the grant to Maynooth.
Numerous petitions, both for and against the grant,
were presented, but in such confusion, that it was im-
possible to report them individually.
NOTICES OF MOTION.

Mr. COLQIJIIOUkT gave notice that he would to-
morrow present a petition from the London Conference
against the grant to Maynooth.
Mr. FERItAND gave notice that, on the third read-
ing of the Maynooth Endowment Bill, he would with-
draw the amendment of which he had given notice, as
he had been requested by several of his friends to do so,
in order that the division should be taken on the motion
of the lion. Member for Gloucestershire.
On the motion of Colonel PAGET, leave of absence
was granted to Mr. W. Stanley for three weeks, on the
ground of ill-health.
Oa the motion of Colonel T. WOOD, leave of absence
was granted to Mr. Forster for a fortnight, on urgen
business.

teed to assess damages, first having served an eight-
days' notice. Now, as it was impossible to say how soon
the plaintiff might enter upon judgment, it would be
ad4sable that the House should proceed with as
little delay as possible, because, after the damages
had been assessed, the plaintiff might sue for
final judgment, and proceed to levy the damages on the
goods of the defendant. Under these circumstances he
(the Solicitor-General) felt a great degree of anxiety
upon the subject, and how necessary it would be for
the House to act promptly upon it. But at the same time
they should act with calmness and deliberation, and
take care;they had all the necessary materials for so doing
before them. He found, upon referring to the case of
Stockdale, that Lord Campbell, the then Attorney-
General, moved for a Committee of this House upon
that occasion ; and he (the Solicitor-General) did think
it would be extremely desirable to follow a simi-
lar course on the present occasion, and therefore he
would be prepared to move a resolution to that effect.
And then he would propose, in the terms of that resolu-
tion, that a Select Committee should be appointed, for
the purpose of inquiring into the proceedings in the
case of Howard and Gossett, and then to report their
decisions and observations thereupon to the House. He
(the Solicitor-General) would bo prepared, in the
course of the evening, to lay on the table of the House
the names of the proposed Committee, so that the House
might come to a decision upon the subject.
Lord HOWICK said that he did not object to the
motion of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman the
Solicitor- General, but he could not help saying that the
present position of the House realised the remarks
of the Hon. and Learned Member for Worcester (Sir T.
Wilde) on a former occasion. He said that when he re-
collected the weak and pusillanimous coarse which the
House had on a former occasion adopted, and were now
proceeding to adopt, he found it only realising the opi-
nion expressed by that Hon. and Learned Gentleman :
They were dragged on step by step till they lost all their
privileges by their submissive concessions to the courts
of law. .

admitted the wrongs and oppressions which the Irish
nation had suffered under the domination of a more

powerful country; but he did not think that a
further extension of the bad principle of that

endowment would do anything to ameliorate the pre-
sent condition of the people, or to compensate for their
pest wrongs. He disclaimed all feeling of hostility to
his fellow Catholic subjects—he disclaimed all participa-
tion in the " No Popery" cry.—(Hear, hear.) But what
he asserted was, that while they were applying what
were called remedial measures in Ireland, they were put-

ting on blisters upon England ; in fact, they were not
laying the axe to the root of the evil in Ireland, while
they were creating ill-feeling and ill-will in England.
It had been said the Dissenters were inconsistent in re-

ceiving the Regium Donum and raising the cry that had
been raised against the grant to the College of May-
nooth. If the assertions that had been made were true,
the Dissenters would certainly have been most incon-

Sir R. 11. INGLIS said that he had not intended to
have said one word upon that occasion, but when he found
the Noble Lord taunting the Legislature of the country
with pusillanimity and weakness, he for one could not
sit still in his place without replying to him. He (Sir
H. H. Inglis) was present in the Court of Queen's Bench,
and he could verify the assertion of the Noble and
Learned Gentleman, that the Learned Judges there did
not decide against the warrant as a warrant, but they ob-
jt cted to it that no specific object was mentioned in it.
If the observations of the Noble Lord were :correct it
was suffi dent that the Sergeant-at- Arms should come
to the place and seize the first Peer of the realm. He
hoped that the House would not have the pusillanimity
to deal otherwise with inferior persons. If the powers
of the House be good for Justice Coleridge and Justice
Denman, they were good for every Justice. If he wished to
struggle with the courts of law, he would bring the
Lord Chief Justice before the bar of the House, instead
of the sheriff, or any other ministerial officer. Every
other warrant specified the case and the time that the
person should remain in custody. The warrant did not
constitute such authority as they acted on in the name of

sistent ; but there were many- of them that objected as
strongly as any denomination could do to the receipt of
the Regium Donum. Acting on those opinions. he should

vote against the third reading of the Bill when it came
before the House, and he would do so on the same prin-

ciple with that avowed by the Hon. Member for Dum
fries, namely, that the Church should not be protected

by the State.
The gallery was then ordered to be cleared, but the
House did not proceed to a division.
Mr. EWART said that he had justified the principle
on which he intended to vote, and he would not, against
the opinion of a majority of Hon. Members, press the
division.—(We understood that during our absence the

amendment had been negatived.) -
Mr. BANKES, in proposing the amendment of which
he had given notice, " that the Bill be read a third time
that day six months," which was tantamount to its not
being read at all, begged for the indulgence of the
House, particularly as he would request their attention
to some previous portions of the debate, and he might,
perhaps, the more think himself entitled to that indul-
gence, that he had not hitherto addressed the House,
but had readily given way to " the groups" of Hon.
Members who had risen on every night to explain their
votes to their constituents.—(Hear.) He had the
more readily assented to this, because there
was no necessity for himself explaining his vote.
He said this, not because he assumed to him-
self any degree of merit, or because he wished to
throw any imputation on those Hon. Members who had
acted otherwise than he did. He would ask the House

posed an increase to the grant, amounting, in the whole
to nearly 40,0004 This effort, hoe ever, signally fsiled;
but the original grant of 8,0001. had been continued to
be paid. A regular account of the items of the receipts
and expenditure of the College had been demanded and
given, when it appeared that not one penny had been
received from any Roman Catholic for its sp-
port. The real facts of the matter were, that
to
the establishment at Maynooth was a scheme
maintain and educate 2,000 Roman Catholic priests, and
a certain sum was set apart for bringing stus in
their noviciate. None of the Roman Catholic laity
were ever admitted into the college, which was in effect
nothing less than a monastery. Many Members of both
Houses expressed their disapprobation of this institution.
The Parliament had been induced to establish it by the
exhibition of great cunning, as it originally had con-
templated only the maintenance of an institution for the
education of the Roman Catholic youth in general, end
not for the priests in particular. The Roman Cal,
laity did not contribute anything to its support, for theY
knew the college did not require their assistance. IMritl
the last session of the Irish Parliament, a measure had
b ,en introduced to make a grant of something less then
8,000/. ; it was passed through the Commons, but a.
eventually thrown out in the Lords. It was e Ifs •
torious fact that thirty of the students of !.98.
Maywooth institution joined the rebellion in me
A visitation of Trinity College was made in the ss",.. •
year, and it was ascertained that 17 of the students we
found to be . 1* imp mated. Thus there were 17 studenets.
from Trinity, whilst the students at Maynooth were the
duced to 69. It was true that this wail given trace°
1 authority of a partisan, and that it appeared in at it
written for the purpose of facilitating the union, but
sufficiently showed how grievously the principles been
was adopted at the establishment of Maynooth
departed from, and how different was this from the
kee°o
dowment which had now been so touch reshPan es'
of during the debate on this question. .:' - rent
tablishment of Dunboyne was altogether on a differing
footing. Much, too, had been said of restitution dntio.
this debate; but he would ask to whom was this resits is
tion to be made? Was it to be made to the Dr bore
institutions from whom the property was old 1,40
been taken? In Spain, during the time the lU:rooted.
was in full power, such a principle might he u' here the
sßßbtlhuleuoT
the French
itahves
aintarnn:enpncEisrcsioahhrnmtaechtndiehopc
Catholic
.feooenatwarherneoesidsui
ago,
gndioeooluivn:lgedehwrtvyht
eeacervsn.epeboerdrext homejmearearieocki i
ontsewacewr
codsesund‘h:yn;
such
ontrah:ow: e c e 1 ;
0:5
cr i
sihocit f
0.0
t.woeshcit
ies r:
it
ji ° el
piodeshoto
milting members of the Roman Cfilholie 011%1410 was
British Parliament, a friend of his, whose, nr DeWitt°
always entitled to much weight, had pointeo t° benches
and both in a publication out of doors and on thet in de'
of that House had said that he had been PrLe..Asenseen thl
bates of that august assembly, wherein he s"" Oolise"
citizens of Catholic Belgium and of PrOteStan,C
‘stesto
seated together in calm deliberation under a Jr; were
Monarch, where the interests of both Pk,rtiii he he:;
equally considered. This observation, wslie code in
lieved had great influence at the time, vevasiB3o,ll,.t
ltahnedsapnridngßeolfg
Belgium
earnedseipnarathteed.a_.(utuHinener,obtes"!:)2oi:.
the College of Ma nooth was first founded ace"seoten
tended as a general academy, and not as was reP.were to
a simply monastic institution. And if the Pita prile
be allowed that it was to be conducted on the s't7cathr
ciples as other academic institutions of the
ifltl.usthe lfr
lie Church, the same objection still held. For se ese's;
versity of Oxford had been conducted on thew,. hs
bsieveenr
and
des
ifw htheree,G he
re
al
as would o uul dn i ask,v e rs i
tw
oiwouldeus
nd to
elAri
Irish
Lutherbeent
o o,
1,1 cpsiislitie:liorig.
ducted with silar customs, where wall° ktetts //tilt
appeared? Buis uch was not the case, f4ir
sic(' fer,;be
known that laymen as well as those lute!) . us. A 4
priesthood were admitted to those institutiO. c 0 tie:.
Right Hon. Baronet had stated that this canievvls swill'
question,for he had in the middle (Shot sessi°.„.oo An;
intention to bring in some measure to Iturevesyttm.no
nooth, but this was no improvement where *ears pea
that was good about the grant of previous )sion t,„
omitted in the present Bill—when all its c,ote t the osel,
the State was done away with, or when letbe nidc'ese,
tie which prevented entire separation was Bight Poe
that was to be paid. How was it that the t uti
the
Baronet, during his nine years seat gi.
Opposition benches, had not proposed t° ,hat the hip
original grant? There was little doubt but .
eded to is
nistry then in power would have read if
tie 01 i
doing .d that
wish. He had had the power himself of truly so 0,
that House at any moment. It had been ed, fa i cs,
the breadth of this question was not peee'rhAio Chuff-eh
tended to the whole endowment of the
cathedraCat"l sPl'de
Its height exceeded the height of their t was Oslo
and reached to the throne itself. If this gil° a Cstb° is
vent - last'
who could tell that anything should no idle or fan for
successor to the thron.-? This was for
notion—(Hear, near)—for the Mern
whose judgment
htihehe harnigohhensttedrestPoeet i'l'c'arss:tneellefitesiorrkilljsln.:loll:
He would add what was so beautifu
tiful words of the poet, after the striking P iii,
he says—
Thousands had sunk on
the oround overpowe
iitylletoldssinvagthes ;Vs
and thenThegoweesaoryn toto rsehsot,wanthclatthwe
ben
iish were lying indiscriminately on the
battle nig we ',. Oell: il 11/
former said to the latter, " Change ling"' the Jr°ol
fight you over azain." So he would sa
Hon. Baronet, dissolve the Parliament laid they:,ht ir pfigi
him over again, and checkmate his kings "" -heSse`" his
He would remind the Right Hon. Baronet thedori
for the Home Department of his own conditiet., he friLeo
strenuous support of the Reform Bill ; nuu -0 the,flef
that it was useless to beseech him to liste,notlee. -01
of the country, he would defy him to d's4e- a iffdtlig,
might beat the section with whom he s'thefuhsill'
House, but he (Mr. Bankes) well knew thli! 0- be 0'
country with them, and with that impresslcitio.
.01
move that the Bill be read that day si% tu,°l/ „lost er„ Os,
Mr. MACGEACHY said that, alter the "WO
consideration of the measure, he he°. 8,0
unhesitating determination of
reading. He would do so because this 5 ',,re
tort— lessii_l
which the most distorted vision could not
oil 0 En by
act of " concession" to Ireland. It wee trio V tile°
of justice. The Government, it yi i si of 0000
to encounter difficulties, and the priner&ia illefe_fth
arose from the repugnancy of °got, 11°60dv;
to it as a religious measure. As a petite
eushl froe j
and as a member of the Constitution, bit he to /cost;
reason why he should deny equal kis and, coat ,i
Christians of the Rumen Catholic &Ott; c 01101,41000
by these principles, he felt impersti/e'l 1, of d 0/
1, Chilrev Min li°'
support the measure. True, the bush e,,hore ter
said the Church of Rome was in error, r te
the sis, s
supportiwng. • .ploto 00
standard of justice that would eroPo! to IP niol°
church.Eb
entgwleaenn d
tthoTe dsheei
sneyhwutahrscehnbeose
.n
questione fil tt benefits
was
o sf
s eado ticif cutilltsiet°7l, goo
eoi cif
rte'
ooli:0°51clt:
seven millions of their countrymellihe Cbtireetslieflib°
shown them that people had, as far as d with
.mis h o• toe
land went, been altogether unprovide..nia chu'", the bic:olti
and surely it was now time that the '...00606r5th g; of
country should be employed in disseblmis that t beeePoo
ings of education. It was only by tmecidel thousthel4,oo
be extended, and by this mode only ~ Ile so!deot
Protestantism be inculcated in Irelanuright t°4.ellos.
Government of this country Surely s' it OS ZOO) #1
church as well as another, and;tbe IrLs"upoopetaf
that the numerical superiority 49',,,t asnhess le
gave them an undoubted right to itiiog oe f 009
should not weary the House bY enisr ouch °he 01'008
but when he saw the spirit in whie
carried
_..„ne „,
sition of the measure had been its °Fro] (/'-tair
take the liberty of pointing out t? their el st° bicil
circumstances that ought to Incgliffto the °illy' filo('
occasion. He would not refer thent.st Acta ,;ettior
of Elizabeth, and the subseqtr"childrellir le eeli
the education of Roman Ca out
artiolorbiot /5 A
bidden. He would not point c`utcP. but l'.,estoeflieitY
attention the parochial Acts of A.llll ci the " he belie 1,
mentioned them, because, thatdespit oo,ise,_,,og 00
inchs that had been presented to ~ had.sn,; 104 be.
is inmost soul that a new feetooPpo woe?. obou_loter
the country—a feeling of desire
_Once4o,o_l;d C:
If this grant passed at all, he _ coot!
.e bineePosic..;
made permanent, for he could not and
seisvitioe.s OA
evil to religion than these annual, the opPeto ecr4fo7,
cussions. What was the nature. u;utdition,_4o.r.voopl
was given to this measure ? -is.
d the geDle 42°rtod
Right Hon. Baronet his Frien
__, nriociPs but ei Ilde
and the supporters of the volunteer/ r
c0u1d,13,(,) asetsit. ~;%
to him a singular anomaly. lints to IP- Ito ors.
the tone in which the oppe.o oupPalor 00 COlO,
remarked upon the Member 7t'' • Arne t ee, oia ~,,
must also enter his protest ag '
ainoth °filed ; 601.9
from the Central Anti-MaYo°ruhty in it to ssee;eo
taming very questionable Wets from
the
otsr eil.)
would read one or two extra:
tate 31
irvteiaraudl
supporters.eon
nc
ee
owr itthw two
which(T heth
extractse they lov_
uf;ariorpcip
obseivaerotot
03.1,:iihse :visci :0;1,
ei:to‘re '-tie:l
Now supposing that the Annttle"rnerli unw°haitArbjsooBooi
should allow that English
theythis tHoosunspepolasaedthvaotteadnycornesgiiree
Ilene: ni:tauet it'
hot uo' !I/B,o°oow
o°F3i- o,:eiasii.cil _ai°ll:
terwards induced them to co that
tn _ale() .0 .
in oppros" t ilonss.etattussorei,
opinions. He hoped, s of OS the i 00 010
of this question, the Merabere.„_.. than 4. the w 0
.n,
suit their own conscience
.I.*_oo:ponertt
svgiellf
esPe °Pisa
tempted to be enforced bahlne_f roe disc hob 011ie bet
and whilst upon this bra_o_vintion which a t eta et,
enter his protest to the silrufjoedt 'by, e{ the griloe
nents had unwarrantably
oberetnhgeivLenegaistitahteartrnaegoefivtsbb:eotiirbly::inenttei°re:sns.vbi:ltst-hpecofiO3°:s
Such an assumption was wineut or K121,400'0000
grounds of positive engagee__ such nisi,
co
of • //
Let them, then,
den"nelru;9, 0;1141 ouncliti°l36lr.) taut
unite together in one gen
the sel°7,-..c(lletit' 30°' o°'
endeavour to ameliorate
_vicar,. .
sayers, 01.00
integral portion of thei ,!, .f thez,llo w 0111! be 14 of
they analysed the
princ *life
slatolotiel/tiuea that blir
offensive to every sense .s. ..r had
of 0 polef the veo
be found. A Baptist mintio"
the ee'redionshi,P„ne tad ths
as soon trust his children
the guar_iressictss Of the
an infuriate hyena, as_ ti sitnilar __pre it Tibi 0 be
lish Bishops. Such en reweraber„.A sfor_ent.
_A tO
employed, and let then:looo.h io°,',,Tas hlishui.neersiioo
language of May nooth,p teaant 14 Dents tricl aisthOS
worst enemies of the r° its OPP° re, ti rei l 0
gifvseytueodubrtYe4ctegnii.atebt6heseislir
reroai:etit/incibtelroibira,
nce. i'et first itn,ealenieti'
Camden, wben found/Irish sled.;
himrsoetf strengthen
nort
ggnh
tuse:mse politically
tttnihetghaeeilesri
they ado iand
0.
p
language of Lord
s.„was aefis_tits of
°f' 81
1040 l
proposition in 1795,th tiu
A rdant elePlv 0101‘°' 'iliBl,iive itl'
to harmonise the uisco , did he
_rontricith ...- tie
When using such languels,el. of the u..ritte. !sopolisor
tion of an institution woqooii
doledeutoteetirstholielL-ot gra ill
accord it, of an instituti .00030, c,
rotho
of
r the vast l' f 9 01' 't O°C fic °
creasing wants 0. rant o , virss i ._e be
tee i
or did he mean a paltry grant ?
ve.,ch tniocsotootp,.
ingly and with avowedool_oge" -00 la,
t for the egsinft"
tended as a reighti s ner to 00° 0000 0.00,
Christian education wee ove orgso oe
Ireland?—he Shuttle
A

under what circumstances this question was brought be-
fore them, and by what means the measure had been ad-
vanced to its present stage. He would ask if the majo-
rity who voted for the second reading of the Bill, repre-
sented a majority of the country. The Right Hon.
Baronet at the head of the Government had admitted
that the feelings of the people of England and Scotland
were most repugnant to this measure—far beyond
what he had anticipated, and the result to which the
Right llon. Baronet had come was, that in proportion
to the strength of that opinion, it became his duty to
increase his energies and exert the power in his hand, as
the First Minister of the Crown, to carry out the melt-
_

sure. His Hon. Friend the Secretary for the Home De
partment carried his efforts still further, for he threw
into the scale against the people, the name, power,
weight, and popularity of his Sovereign. He was not
there to enter into a controversy with the Right Hon.
Baronet as to his authority as Home Secretary to make
use of this power. He admitted that the Right Hon.
Baronet had precedent for the course he had pursued,
but the only authority that he (Mr. Bankes) remem-
bered as a precedent, was of the Right Hon. Baronet's
own making. He remembered that, on a former
occasion, the same course was resorted to by
the same Right Honourable Gentleman—(Hear)—
and the name of the Sovereign was then used also to turn
the balance. It would be a great relief to him (Mr.
Bankes) if he found that, by any misconception or mis-
representation, her Majesty had been induced to give
her sanction to this measure. He could not look upon
the question as already decided, for he trusted that
though the House might not be entitled now to the ap-
pellation of a representative, they still remained a deli-
berative body. He believed that, in some important
particulars, his Right Hon. Friends had been deceived.
They had no idea of the repugnance that was felt by
the people of this country and Scotland to this measure.
He gave his Right Hon. Friend full credit for a desire
to confer a boon on the people of Ireland, but he be-
lieved that they had been mistaken. The feeling against
this measure was a general one ; and it was a mistake to
suppose that it had been confined to the Dissenters of
England and Scotland. It was notbecause the members of
the Church of England had been quiescent that there-
fore they were to be considered as indifferent. His
Right Hon. Friend had formed a very inadequate notion
of the Established Church with respect to this measure.
Let the Right Hon. Baronet look to a petition which had
appeared in the newspaper of that morning, a petition to
the Lord Bishop of Cashel, from the clergy of his diocese,
against this Bill.
The Earl of LINCOLN—How many signatures P
Mr. BANKES—Oh, a good many.
The Earl of LINCOLN—Not many.
Sir H. W. BARRON—Signed by nine out of 168.
Mr. BANKES continued—At any rate the petition was
signed by a very respectable portion of the clergy of the
diocese of Cashel and Waterford. The Hon. and
Learned Gentleman the Member for Dungarvon had
called them " fanatical insurgents ;" but that Hon. and
Learned Gentleman's genius frequently outstripped his
judgment and discretion. He (Mr. Bankes) fully con-
curred in the prayer of the petition to which he had re-
fereed, and he should support it in that House. He felt
it as an honourable compliment to be entrusted with the
petitions:of many of the Dissenters. Those Dissenters
had no desire to destroy or disturb the Established
Church. They were only actuated by a desire to pre-
vent the spread of a religious opinion, which they be-
lieved to be anti-scriptural. The Hon. Member for
Sheffield had indeed attacked the Church Establishment,
but he had found himself in a dilemma, and had shrunk
from meeting the Hon. Member for Oxford at the
time he proposed. The Hon. Member for Sheffield con-
sulted the heads of his own party, but they could give
him no satisfactory advice, and he then, as it was said,
consulted the Cabinet, who could give him no advice
either ; and he had recourse to the Hon. Member for
Montrose, who was, it seemed, the Nestor of that House,
seeing that he was always consulted by Members who
found themselves in difficulty.—(Laughter.) The ad-
vice of the Hon. Member for Montrose was the abandon-
trent of the motion; " For," said he, " if you do not
abandon your motion, or postpone it, the second reading
of the Bill will be lost." This was the way in which the
Hon. Member for Sheffield got out of his difficulty, and
that was the way in which the second reading of this
Bill was smuggled through the House, If the feeling
against the Maynooth Bill had been mistaken in England
tied in Scotland, what must be considered of the ex-
pression of public opinion in Ireland? How had the
messenger that had been sent there with the glorious
tidings returned ? Had he come back bearing in his
hand the olive branch of peace ? Had he re-
turned to tell the English nation that their
Royal mistress could set her foot on the
Irish shore in safety and in peace ? These questions he
would leave to be answered as best the Ministry could.
In reference to many of the petitions which had been
presented by the Dissenters against the grant, he would
admit there were many unsound and harsh expressions
with regard to the Roman Catholic religion, but yet the
authority for the use of these unusual expressions ema-
nated from no less a source than the statutes of the
House itself. They were to be found on the records of
the reign of King William 111., and as long as those
words stood, the Dissenters ought not to have any odium
attached to them or receive any blame for employing
them. He did not believe that those petitions had been
laid on the table with the intention of insulting or offend-
ing the Irish people ; and he regretted as deeply as aey
man the manner in which they had been worded. He
was induced to give every credit to the Ministry for the
good will which they intended to offer to the Irish people
by means of the Maynooth Bill ; but he felt satisfied that
the majority of the Irish Protestants were greatly op-
posed to it, and the measure would not afford them the
least satisfaction.—(Hear.) The discussion on the
original Maynooth grant had been gradually lessening
year after year, and something of a tacit agreement had
been given to the privilege which had been so long en-
joyed; and for this annual income the Bill now before
the House had been proposed as a substitute. He would
propose that the amount be paid out of the funds of the
Irish Church, and not out of the pockets of the people.
The passing of the Bill would not put an end to the an-
tagonistic demands of the Protestants. The Govern-
ment had been placed in an awkward position, and he
was satisfied that those members who had been induced
to give their unwilling assent to the measure on its first
introduction, if they unhappily continued to sup-
port it through its third reading, would for ever
after regret the infelicitous pledge they had
bound themselves to give in its favour. The Irish
Members had acted altogether in a fair and straight-for-
ward manner on the question. They had not interfered
in the slightest degree with its progress—they had
waited patiently and in silence, and invariably hailed
with joy the grant as the dawning of a new era for Ire-
land. Now that they had seen what the commencement
was proposed to be, it was easily to be discriminated
what the termination must be.—(Hear, hear.) The Dis-
senters had combined to oppose this grant with all the
determination they were capable of, and with all the
power they could muster, and they stood not alone in the
field, for the Established Church, who were strong in
arms, were allied with them against it. From these con-
siderations it was apparent that the Maynooth grant
could not be regarded merely in the light of an amount
of money, but it must be taken and considered as a
blow struck against the spread of the Protestant
and against the foundation of the constitution.—(Hear.)
It was singular how little had been heard of the original
establishment of the College of Maynooth, and there
existed a great deal of ignorance as to the manner in
which the question had been formerly entertained in the
Irish House of Parliament. It had been discussed year
after year in that House; and from the general results
he could have expected more detailed reasons for the es-
tablishment of the college than were given in those de-
bates. He had recently discovered a condensed account
of the proceedings of the Irish House of Commons when
it existed on this matter. It was written by Dr. Duid-
man, an honourable man, whose statements could be de-
pended on, and were no doubt correct. lie published
his statements a year subsequently to the proceedings of
the session of the Irish Parliament, when a Bill had been
introduced for the education of persons professing the
Roman Catholic religion, and for power to possess ac-
cruing lands. It appeared that a clause had been
introduced at the end of the Bill for power
to give the trustees of Maynooth the sum of 6,0004 out
of the public money. This Bill was passed through
both Houses, and became established as law. No Mem-
ber of either House considered it worth while to offer
any opposition, as they did not suppose the clause
formed an essential part of the Bill. The projectors of
the scheme, seeing the success which had attended their
endeavours, were determined not to let the Parliament
off on such easy conditions, but soon afterwards pro-

the Queen.
The motion was then put and carrie 1.
MAYNOOTH.
Sirß. INGLIS presented petitions from several places
in England, Scotland, and Wales, against the grant to
Maynooth, and from several Presbyteries in Scotland,
which were signed on behalf of them by the moderators.
Mr. BANKS presented petitions from divers places
in Sornersetshire, Wiltshire, and various other places;
against the grant.
Lord BERNARD presented petitions from places in
Ireland to a similar effect.
Mr. PATTISON presented several petitions against
the grant.
Mr. SHAW, from Dublin and tether places to a like
effect.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD presented petitions
from several places in the north of England against the
grant, one signed by 20,000 people, and he thought it
would be right to state the prayer of this petition. The
petitioners stated that they were opposed to all State
grants, and especially to the present, because it would tend
to the endowment of the Catholic priesthood. At the
same time they expressed their strong dislike to the
Established Church in Ireland, which had been sustained
against the feelings of the people.
Sir Thomas Spry, Mr. Palmer, Mr. Stuart Wortley,
and Lord Castlereagh, presented petitions from various
places in England and Ireland to a similar effect.
Sir R. PEEL presented petitions from Limerick and
other places in favour of the grant.
Mr. HINDLEY presented a great number of petitions
from various places in England against the grant.
Sir 11. Halferd, Mr. Darby, Mr. Duncan, and Colonel
Wood presented petitions against the grant.
An Hoer. Mextuen. (whose name we could not learn)
presented a petition from Menmouth, signed by 38 people,
out of a population of 30,000, against the grant.
Mr. PACKE presented petitions from Dissenting con-
gregations in several places to a similar effect.
Sir T. FREMANTLE presented a petition from Tun-
bridge Wells and other places in favour of the grant.
Mr. C. BRUCE presented a petition from Elgin and
other places against the grant.
ACADEMICAL EDUCATION (IRELAND).
Lord J. RUSSELL—I wish to ask the Right Hon.
Baronet at the head of the Government what day he
would name for the second reading of the Bill for Acade-
mical Education in Ireland ?
Sir R. PEEL—I cannot exactly define the day upon
which the second reading of that Bill will be introduced,
but at the conclusion of the debate on the Maynooth
question I will name the day.
Mr. EWART said he had a notice on the paper in
reference to this question, which was to this effect :
On the third reading of the Maynooth College Bill, to
move that, while it is expedient to open all the
public educational establishments of Ireland to the
Catholics, to reduce to its due dimensions the Irish
Church, and to establish entire civil and religious
equality between Great Britain and Ireland, it is not
advisable to extend the principle of making any religious
denomination endowed by and dependent on the
State. In bringing forward this motion he begged to
assure the Right Honourable Baronet opposite, and the
Hon. Members on that side the House, that while he
was in favour of the most liberal mad extended system
of education to all denominations of Christians, he was
opposed to any religious endowment by the State
of any institution. And now, when this question was
coming before that House for a final decision, he
did think it but just to those out of doors, who were
opposed to it, to have their opinions and feelings ex-
pressed. He had the honour of differing from the opi-
nions of the Hon. Member the representative of the
University of Oxford upon this question, and also
from the Right Honourable Gentleman the Recorder
of Dublin and the Recorder of London. The standard
they had raised bore a device far too exclusive for him.
He hoped the Hon. Member for Oxford University would
pardon him for this allusion ; but he felt compelled to
say that though he differed from him on many points in
reference to this question, he agreed with him only on
the principle that it was not wise to endow religious
establishments. He did not mean to say he was opposed
to existing endowments, but he was opposed to their ex-
tension, whether that extension was to be made to May-
nooth or to any other institution, for he did think that
all theological establishments should be left to themselves.
He did not admire any Government interference with
matters of religion, and the success which the Go-
vernment had met with on a former memorable occasion,
when the Right Honourable Baronet the Secretary
of State for the Home Department introduced his
Factory Bill, furnished an ample proof of the
inutility of advocating mixed theological and political
questions. He doubted, therefore, the wisdom of
agitating questions which involved the subject
of
_religion, and this was the reason why he
now differed from the Government on the
question of an endowment to Maynooth. Such
a course might have been in place some forty or
fifty years ago, but there was a new spirit abroad now.
He believed that a purer principle actuated the people
than the principle of endowments—he meant the volun-
tary principle. The voluntary principle manifested its
truth to the minds of the people of this country, and it
now occupied the place which the principle of endow-
ments did at a former period. This fact was proved by
what had taken place in two of the Established
Churches of this country. It was owing to the increase
of the voluntary principle, that the Free Church in
Scotland had separated itself from the parent establish-
ment; nor was it less owing to the insinuation of voluntary
principleLinto England, that Tractariauism had diffused
itself in Oxford, and extended its influence over thecountry.
A change had come over the spirit of the country,
which called on that House to legislate in conformity
with it, but he was told that this system was not a sys-
tern of endowment, but simply an act of
restitution. He would like to know what in this
case was meant by the phrase " act of restitution."
Was the Church of Ireland asked to restore to the Ca-
tholic Church what she had taken from her ? No.
This was tobe exacted from the people of this country—
it was to be taken out of the Consolidated Fund. He
should not oppose any principle of restitution,
but this was not so. He thought that, if they took
from the superfluities of the Irish Church it would
be well, but instead of doing so, they deducted this
something from the necessities of the English people.
It was an anomaly to call on the people of this country
to contribute from their hard-earned labour to the ex-
tension of religion, when that Church, which was now
almost the mockery, as it had long been deemed
the disgrace of this country, possessed so much wealth.
That was the course which he, for one, would have pre-
ferred ; and he begged to ask Right Hon. Gentlemen
opposite what course they intended to pursue ? He
asked, did they mean to make their stand upon this Bill,
or to extend the principle so far as the endowment
of the Roman Catholic clergy?—(Hear, hear.) He
believed that they would give dissatisfaction to the Pro-
testant portion of the United Kingdom, and that they
would at the same time give no satisfaction to the Roman
Catholics.--(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord the
Member for London had said that he wee prepared
to carry out the genuine principle of endowment,
and to give salaries to the Catholic clergy out of the
Consolidated Fund. The Hon. and Learned Member for
Edinburgh echoed the sentiment.—(Hear, hear.) The
Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary for the Home
Department thought that he also was in favour
of the endowment of the priests. But the
Right Honourable Baronet at the head of the
Government maintained a prudent silence on the sub-
ject.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that the spirit
of endowment had passed away, and that a
purer spirit—that of the reformation and of primitive
Christianity had taken its place.—(Hear, hear.)
He vvas willing to aid in measures of
the largest liberality to Ireland, to compensate
for past oppressions. But he did not think this measure
was calculated to do so, and therefore, not wishing to
prolong the debate, he concluded by moving according
to notice.
Mr. MARSLAND seconded the motion. He fully