The Sun.
London, England, 1842-03-15 00:00:00

obs r t uet the measure of the Right Hon. Baronet ; and, hay-
issznogti:eir'eads Y.
.obtained a majority,
.he could not vote for the
the land "t . his Hon. Friend. If his Hon. Friend showed that
did not bear peculiar burdens, he would a-k, as a ne-
le_k!uy consequence for an alteration of the Corn laws. And
!loti"o That ground also he would not support the motion. If the
on was to make the taxation more equal, he, connec' ed as he
Ras
ever
ear an agricultural county, could not object to it—( Hear,
tcir ---,but, as he opposed the motion of the Hon. Member
verhaniptoa, so on the same grounds wou'd he oppose
`gerle:otion of his Hon. Friend.—( Cheere. )
war!, • VILLIERS didnot think his Hon. Friend brought for.
eesseudi.iis motion with any other view than the one he pro-
Setrde He. believed the object was. to inquire into the special
"sip
on land, bat, if those special burdens were proved, it
Wahot, in his opinion, justify the Corn-laws —( Hear, hem.. )
"8° b
Sot ussietas did exist, let them be removed, but let them
jeebe made an excuse for the Corn-law.—( Hear.) He would
;7 Vote for the motion of his Hon. Friend, and, he believed,
Z`'e discussion on the subject would be productive of good, be-
eose, it would open the ee es of the people, and
the-"eesei.a.oYthing
*sere country would see that these burdens were
pretexts and excuses. It would be useless to ad-
more than what his Hon. Friend had stated. on
etc „lect, but the Right Hon. Baronet refused all inquiry.
wiet.air. Villiers) held in his hand the amount of exemption
co:ll..i:he landed interest obtained since the passing ok the
cart ir• These exemptions tooleplace with regard to horses,
evega:s
s, Sce. In the year 1816 the annual sum of 28,1691.
horsegisetve° ;in 1819, 38,608/. ;in 1822, for husbandry
lereCione, 47,108/. ; in 1823, 52,7921. ; in 1824, 6,776 ; in
52,049'5594 ; Its 1832, 87,1001.: in 1833, 10,1101. ; in 1831,
pther ' ; in 1835,50,000/. ; in 1836, 60,000 ; making
.larlto-
°lNCh 8001 of 985,824/. within a few pounds of. one mi ion
also got the amount of agricultural stock insured at the
insurance offices. It amounted to 51,997,751/., and
of du single
t Shilling duty was paid.—( Hear, hear.) The amount
Was sa Yon all other property was 995,710/. The Poor-law rate
peel.ar burden on land, and was much dwelt
ittssiYoll°W. Gentlemen ; but to give the country an idea of the
wotetfr:f the demand for compensation on that head, he
varied sole the
the parish of Marylebone, to show that the rate
price'-',ecording to the price of wheat. In the year 1832, the
j.R:4wheatwa.3sBs , and the rate in that parish was 97,6721.
93,teTip the price of wheat was 325., and the rates fell to
Ray corn ; in 1834, the price of wheat was 465., the rate
toe ealee,tPondingly reduced ; in 1835 the price was 395., the
Itt 4,111,7‘1. ; in 1837 the price was 555., the rate 59,800/. ;
hose
we sue
e price was 645., the rate 61,6911. ; in 1829 the
l'ate7J°,-, the rate 63,2211. ; in 1840 the price was 695.,
0g1eN...!7_3551..--( Hear.) That was what took place in one
snerer 'sot and what occurred there occurred in other places.
poorieet state
to eas a proof of the absurdity of saying that the
410 paida-; was peculiar burden upon land, that the amount of
`ee tha„l4 Loudon was greater than that paid in all Yorkshire.
theft te—g; nt that the presnt was a time peculiarly fitted for
°et' fer—Cquiry as that proposed by his Hun. Friend the Meln-
ik* a wolverhampton. Now that- they were about to im-
ai toien.r.tP tew
h tax upon the nation it b came them in every way
ito the burdens of he people, with a view.. it posh-
the il—oht.neir mitigation. Herd id not think any decision
eatild goose had come to on the subject of the Corn-law itself
%loved-7.°a, in injustice a refusal to grant the inquiry now
Lorti or.
thvisio„ IiCIWICK said, that before the House proceeded to a
visied-h.°Pou the motion then under their consideration, he
Pant zsay a few words upon the subject. He entirely
rwilt I."''tn the Hon. Member for Sheffield, that it was a
eico.,9` very great importance to determine what were the
Wss chtTe burdens borne by land. He thought that the subject
after a°°f very great importance to the House and the country
lebit;ntich stress had been laid upon it during the various
to with respect to the Corn-laws. He was also willing
opneyeilit that it was a very fair topic for Parhamentary in-
nte; although he thought there might be some doubt as to
eotii er
e a Parliamentary Committee would be a body which
he satisfactoril institute the proposed inquiry. But still
thete4spewilling to assumeY that point ; he was willing to suppose
tepert'''allnittee could sift the question, and present a satisfaetory
coo t.° the House with regard to it. But even making these two
could nos to the Hon. Alember for Sheffield, he confessed he
tootio„°°t Satisfy himself of the propriety of supporting hist.
the e;*--(llear, hear.) He was bound to admit the force o
eiti-Vitaents which the Right Hon. Baronet had urged
std, the time and manner in which the motion was brought
the nHe thought that the Government, but that
setelulichad a very great interest in preventing those days
teents'artf for the transaction of public business by the Gov.ern-
whielt:'°°l being interfered with by the interposition of motiodus,
,_aiis" according to the forms of the House, ought to
.1s! is-
lifeeiberou those days assigned for the motions of individual
beet s"---( Hear, hear.) He thought that would be a very
thet bPublie inconvenience, because it was wellknown
kthe J the prectice of that House only two days
t
atiltee;eeh were set apart for the transaction of that vas
le, Nee "'„,,of Public business which it was the duty of her Ma-
stiii,,-,,..`iovernment to bring under their notice. They well
,ilieheee"4e extreme difficulty which every Government expe-
%et Je whether it were composed of Hon. Gentlemen en
ettesserue of the House or the other, in obtaining the ne-
'etibY tite for the proper discussion of measures deeply at-
km! the Public interest. They knew perfectly well that by
Iltois.-iing limbedg the discussion of those motions, they keret arily the number of useful and important mea-
ware.which It was in the power of the Goverment to bring for-
hiens
eif As the Member of a former Administration, he had
totoDe lees occasion to feel the extreme injustice of having
lObrititts°4 Made against him through the business they
.had
portent to the House, and of neglecting many im-
tor th,e, subjects while, at th
subjects were taken from them by the
t'Poleri°4 of other motions. He had a very strong opinima
A 1 not Point. It was not for the interest of the public--.he
uld":).thing of the interest of Government—that notice
Balue given which would tend to interfere with the re-
els !thee greatness of Parliamentary business, except in cases of
that shL and special emergency Now he could. not
He
teny -till an emergency existed in the present instance.
Nee ° not understand the ground upon wh.ich they were
ontoe adopt the motion in the manner in which it had.d
he hid"Naght fol•ward. The. Hon.. Member for Sheffield said
that de given notice of his motion for Thursday last, but. on
thiek-1 there was no House. Now he (Lord Howick) did not
%Nth: at the
, Hon. Member could urge that as a ground. of
Witerl,l°, aeainst the Government. It was a uAial practice
as ,„"tueers upon all sides to absent themselves when notice
ocitr'en of any motion they did not like to have discussed.
d►tlle th°ubt there were more than 40 Members who took an interest
tout ion of the Hon. Member for Sheffield ; but if they
to. IP, collie and form a House they had none but themselves
Metee-'e•--(Hear, hear, hear. ) He agreed w:th the Hon.
Site,ll—,' that the subject was one deserving of serious con-
theeeet,!°° !• but was it, therefore, necessary that they shonld
'Methshe
.fieorti
elavniedk)at one accede to his motion?—(Hear.)
did note think it was. The charge which
froye°,4. Gentleman himself had introduced into his motion
iiL'tos the Right Hon. Baronet had justly observed, that
the re
abandoned as untenable the position that the
l
'he re" consideration of the Corn Bill should be adopted until
Prete Pco't of the Committee, for which he moved, had been
the to the House. But if the course of legislation upon
the lior,,"aws. was not to be interrupted by the motion of
°tie Gentleman then it followed that the present was not
'ettch 're"°se. cases of emergency in which it was desirable
broughttat
,rweael°tlon as that of the Ho's'. Member should be .
•fl, this particular shape, preventing the further consi-
"Ps ir 6' measure which the House asd the country must
411041-" see settled in one way or the other.—( Hear, hear. )
his toteere the rasonswhieli would induce him to give
attli, against the motion of the Honourable Member..
Ass iti;";' if it had been brought forward on Thursday last, it
fltentien to have supported it. He could not,. for the
%am': of acting with those Hon. Gentlemen, with whom he
Aithlie%, acted, lend his sanction to a practice which,. upon
7ecolar,°unda, and with a view to the permanent interests of
lath iii-c`tY,ehe considered extremely prejudicial. He agreed
trodeeee" o• Gentleman in disapproving of.
.the Corn-law
tamedwt e see " by the Governmeet; and, in desiring to see the
Zceew Sounder and wiser views would be generally enter-
otos "Pon the subject, he firmly agreed with him in those
4.tlhith wishes • but he firmly believed that the course
p7Pror,'",: lion. Gentleman was now taking was not calculated
"`e the object he had in view. He did believe that a
mitka°—.(4 this kind was calculated to conciliate the opinion of
es,'"ate people out of doors. He did not believe that
,•"ek the mariner in which they would be most likely to
•itteti;„'avourable impression upon public opinion, or to ob-
N•inei 3‘",Pport from the country at large, by which alone the
Ilht, thou the Hon.m Member for Sheffield, and of those
%kr. tight with him could be carried into effect.
eta, Mt," AeKLEY wis'hed to say a very few words upon the
'lO p wuich had fallen from the Noble Lord who had ust
ef•ease •' and the Right Hon. Baronet the First Lord of the.
ti'teiere'e He should confess he was not pleased with tee
;toll down by the Noble Lord, with reference to rno-
.hassPBr4,"eas that before the House. He thought that doctrine
acc•;slert.ie'prlett.t.. with danger and Utterly at valiance with the
Leeestiietiont,ice of the House, and with the spirit of the British
eeitt?.e aie,,,erThe Noble.
.Lord. stated that he himself had
felt te inconvenience
an Admon!tratillne, atnhiethat he had frequently
•ln,,xns prares lence of motions present ; that he had
y)s s used to be impeded by them. Now, he (Mr.
heard so much the better.—(Laughter.) He was very '
11-moid) be that the Noble Lord's progress had been checked ;
to been eyed, it would have been better for the country. if it
ttrecwe es been
?r_e completely checked.—( Renewed cheering )
Useeultee to 41' find that the present motion offered a little ob-
het Net • e Right Hon. Baronet. It had. elicited some
fact, the couree of the discussion that night ; and these
l'eseller(itciesTrebe Spread throughout the country,
.and would give
°et, in "'ye observation arid reflection.. The Right Hon.
tie"ae oft the course of the last Session, hail reminded
otshie.
the ll t he he ancient Whig doctrine, with reference aopp .
Peosiedgty lacted the language of Mr. Tierney, who said that
\te'lt•hait? cps osition was
)" tBo
notptphoeseN
o ) ce,,F.e--( Laughter. eovbel rey Lord g(
Lord
to allow' When ly repudiated that doctrine ; and, according
qtr. urn. to atsY. Members. objected to a measure, they were
When "aloe in silence. .l'hat was a doctrine to which he
that 10/ could not subscribe. His opi.nion was, that
h,qolis"4embers disapproved of ca
measure introduced into
thikreition they ought offer it a manly, open, and consistent
'll/jeeil the He should admit, however that the course, p.ur-
looti„'°uable °4. Gentleman, the Member
.for
.Sheffield, as an I
otithi° to e"lie• He should confess that, in his judgment,.any
to op be i .84htnitted to the House upon a great question,
Nste syly
in Put upon the papers ; and there ought. not
Th‘atici'.ljs ha,34°Ln upon the notice-papers,
.an.d
.another. in tho
the ,eitte 05,,,,!•--( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.
'"a,itt ere ';:eY did not give a fair ground of contest upon
his which the if-t",,n under discussion. It was not the course
did toetien "1. Member usually pursued ; but he had altered
Heexact, the present instance, on finding that it
%ea?. W;i3' suit his purpose in its original form.
tittle -oe rather Y) felt that a division upon the present motion
sh4e.t his gauer
unfortunate thing ; and he proposed on the
quirt' grant. s,gestlo.n to the Right Hon. Baronet, thatehne.
eon toe, ; :`_,Qintnittee at another time. They. wanteda
v.-
leree His Hot there would be no use new in goingto db'a
reajori'''t ".• Friend would, no doubt, be defeated Y..
ti 4 aclpairiYes, although it would be desirable that they shonudld.
injor4.Cilbs the°, with the special burdens upon law_
itiec and 0 laceled proprietorss of this country were gre ly_
fe, Peneene Ppressed, and were not in a state of lnxury and
Tot &i.esee ee,---(Laughter.) He wished the Hen. Member
Pede""at they ere° in the house to tell them that the times are
how:
th_'_tad been, and that Darby and Joan no longere
eice_ e'er, \sh.,
_!earene horse.--( Renewed laughter.) Every r
ouse ax teu_rliesected upon the consequences of the proposedh
01,:rY of the
euOS ee that it would press severely upon t
tilstO,c seot.fre-euntry,,
Id
while the great landed proprietors would
e in-
the Ale of " No, no." He hoped, however,
to seiiltriher for circumstances circumstances of the case, his Hon. Friend_
111,. taw his hefEeld would ask the permission of the House
to seji_e • bUN ZAl,rootion.—( Hear, hear. )
ciette had fano - IllE wished to say a few words in reference
brontt,(l. The ,r,!of.reon the Noble Lord, the Alember for Sun-
(ahnforsent(Ce_tle Lord said that if this motion had. been
Nohi ,tueoreho,n, hrsday, he should have voted for it. He
'there Lord knew not whether the constituents of the
leeoelay imtull'd understand his approving of a motion on
-...,(Ziahed to island opposing it that night.—( Hear, hear.
taughter.) ; who was responsible for making a Hou,e.
thtirstrer (wi th? Hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield
tetaidteh_erfoiatiyiaen?!.eteh_frltyirocf.asion, because there was no House last
• Duneornbe) was one of those unfortu-
Gentlemen who came down to that House,
(Ls; the iLr',latian of seeing the landed interest, groaning
bet egbtere e,ll' which they are supposed to suffer-
-o..!ystot oete ot. ey to assist his Ilon. Friend on that occasion,
e.colleeted ',l,°se Gentlemen were present.—(l4ear, hear. )
i:eattx4t
thesuet
Mr- Canning had, on one occasion, sajd
*.--(l4leae hdutY of the Government always to make a
ear.) The Noble Lord the Member for