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London, England, 1829-03-20 00:00:00

GERMAN AND DUD. PAPERS.

Ca thol ics.

ST.PETERSIWRGH, MARCH 4.—The Tiflir Gazette
contains the following article :
CHot, Dec. 30.—After payment of the stipulated
part of the Persian contribution, Prince Bagram M irza,
son of the Persian Crown Prince, Abbas Mirza, came,
according to the terms of the treaty of Turkmantschoi,
to Choi, to receive that province from the Russian
authorities. Our troops left Choi on the ?9th De-
cember, and marched towards Bagazed, in order to
strengthen the left wing of the army acting against
the Turk.;, which wino- is commanded. by Major-
General Punkralzew ; they were to arrive at the
village of Zaugezor, near Bagazed, on the Sth Jan.;
thus we have wholly evacuated the Persian territory.
According to accounts froth the Turkish frontiers,
the Turks in Asia are making great preparations for
the ensuing campaign, and there is every appear-
ance that operations will commence at the tirst
opening of spring. It is said, that besides the usual
troops, there are in Erzeroum 8000 regular infantry.
FRONTIERS OF SERVIA, FEB. 26.—A1l our ac-
counts agree that preparations are making in the
Russian army which indicate an intention of be-
sieging the fortresses on the Danube, and making
a general attack upon Servia. The Turks, on
their side, are making vigorous preparations for de-
fence, they are strengthening their fortresses, aug-
menting the garrisons, and collecting provisions and
ammunition. The weather being dry the roads are
in good condition.
BRUSSELS, -MARcu 16.—A great many new peti-
tions having been presented tolthe Second Chamber,
and the report on them brought up, it was resolved
unanimously by the Chamber to add this report to
that on the petitions previously delivered, that each
may be included in the discussion on the intended
communication to the Government.
VIENNA, 111AacH 7.—Metalliques, 97; Bank Shares,
1092.

BORSEN-HILLE, FOUR O'CLOCK, MARCH 13.
The inactivity of our Corn Market . still conti-
nues ; the decline in English prices has driven
almost all English buyers out of the market. The
prices quoted below are for the greater part merely
nominal, not a single cargo of corn passed through
the Sound during the first eight days of March..
Weight. Rix dollars.
Dantzic Wheat 121 to 130 - 170 to 11)0
Pomeranian 125 to 132 160 to 175
Anhalt, white 122 to 132 170 to 150
--- red 11S to 125......160 to 1'75
Danish 120 to 130 - 125 to 150
pantile Rye ll5 to 122 lO to St
Alagdeburgh Barley lOU to 10S 65 to '73
Anhalt 100 to 105 65 to 73
Upland Oats . .
Holstein Rapeseed —to 18)) to 15.2
The improvement in the different money markets
has to-day contributed to give an appearance of re-
newed animation to our place; Anglo-DaMsh were
more generally in demand in consequence of the
further rise of the French Rentes ; diEeount one
quarter per cent. Bills on London have been -in
demand to-day, and rose in consequence three
quarters.

Anglo-Danish Loan, 3 per cent
Anglo-Itussian Loan • 9144
Haarburgh-Russian Loan
Anglo-Prussian Loan 41818 I.)!PA,
Austrian Bank Shares 1104
Austrian Metalliques
Exchange upon London, at two months, 13 0
at sight
Dnring last week the ice on the Elbe began to
float; the river
_above the Grasbrook, however,-
still continues covered with a firm coating of ice, as
also that part of the River situated between Altona
and Neumechlen. Yesterday several pilots went
down with their -boats from Nettmechleu to bring
up the vessels lying at Cuxhaven ; and this morning
two boats laden with fruit, and several fishing beats,
arrived at Blacknesse and Cuxhaven.

HAMBURGII2MARCIII 12.-70 n the 9th, in the even-
ing, the ice burst which h:td covered the Weser for
eight weeks, began to move at Bremen, and on the
10th the river was entirely clear.
&rot:Knout, FEB. 27.—The weather is will ex-
tremely severe; the thermometer (Itestutner) now
indicating less than 18 or 20 degrees.

IMPEitIAt PARLI.I3iENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—(LAST NIGHT.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR entered the 11,itise a fov

minutes after Fi:'t• o'clock.

Mr. Johnson presented the Accounts of the Chief Se-
cretary of Ireland.
- Lord LORTON presented several petitions against the

AiESS.VE FROM THE COMMONS.

Mr. PoIARSIIALL and others brought up the, Hilda

Tythe Bill.
..Innvis and ntlicrkbrouglit up a Road Bill.
_Lord CLARENDON presented several petitions against
Emancipation.
GENERAL PETITION OF THE PROTESTANTS

OF IRELAND.
The D►tke of CINI3ERLAND, gr eeab Iy to the notice
he had given on a former night, rose to present the Gene-
ral Petition of the Protestants of Irelmd, praying that
their Lordships► would not grant further concessions to the
Catholics. My Lords, continued the Noble Duke, I be-
lieve there never has► been a petition presented to any
House of Parliament more numerously signed than
the one which I have now the honour to I4y upon

your Lordships' table, it having no less than a hundred and
sixty thousand signatures of gentlemen of all ranks, Ma-
gistrates, and a great party of the Noblemen (37 of whom
were resident in that country) and the most ancient
Protestants in that county, and I trust I shall not hear
that which has been often and often stated in this Muse,.

that the lower classes were not able to judge of the Ca-
tholic Question. My Lords, there is no country in the
world. where there is a more enlightened and religious
set of people than the Protestants of this United King-
dom.—(Hear, hear.)—Would to God, my Lott's, the pe-
titioners had chosen a more able advocate than the indi-
vidual who has now the honour to address you. lam
not vain enough to suppose that any thing that can fall
from me could induce your Lordships to act otherwise
than what your consciences and true feelings would dic-
tate ; but this I know, the petitioners could not hare intrust-
ed it to a more zealous ar•d determined supporter of the
Protestant Church than myself.—(lkar.)—Upon a former
occasion I have been accused of having sounded the alarm
of war, and of having made use of the words " Pro-
testant and Popery." My Lords, I shall certainly take
the liberty of staling my opinion of the measure
that his Majesty's Government have thought proper
to lay before the British Pailianient. We are
told all disabilities are to be taken off the Catholics, that
they are to sit in Parliament, that they are to sit in the
Privy Council, that they are to be Ministers of State and
Judges of the land—in short every thing with the exception
of Lord Chancellor of either kingdom, Lord Lieutenant of
Ireland, and King. My Lords, I should be sorry to mis-state
any man's words, and 1 really do not think it necessary to
do so. 'therefore, whether the Noble Duke, at the head of

hie Majesty's Government did, or did not, use the mod
security in the answer he made to the Noble Prelate, I
will not state, but as far as I know, the Noble Duke did
state that the proposals he should make would be acceptable
to both parties. Nov, I would beg to say, what in-
ference can any individual understand from the word
"acceptable," except the inference that the Noble Duke
and the Government of this country had taken care
that there should be proper securities for the Pro-
testant Church. Will you then agree, I would ask, to
this, that the mere extteption of Lord Chancellors of Eng-
land and Ireland, and Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, that these
not being Catholics, will you agree that this is security euffi-
cient for the Protestant Church ? I believe that there is
not one of us that will agree to this, and I maintain, if my
Noble and Learned Friend sitting on the cross-benches,
if he were now Chancellor of England, and was in
a Cabinet where the majority were Catholics, that be, with
411 his zeal, and integrity, and determination, could not
maintain alone the security of the Church, and I believe
there is lib person who will doubt hi, attachment to the
Protestant Church.—(Hear, hear.)—The Noble Duke
has told your Lordships that he is solely responsible
for the measure, he has been candid and fair enough to say
so, and I have no doubt that be will make every exertion
to carry this measure through, knowing as I certainly do,
his determination and great perseverance.—f [leer, hear.)—
But when I look around, and see so many Noble
Lords around me, I -rather think they will not so im-
mediately go into the measure, but will prune and pause
again, and will consider that the whole confidence of the
country lies in this House. The Noble Lords will
reflect and pause well before they come to that decision,
-which they have for so many years opposed ; nay. which
a few months ago they declared impossible by a majority of
45, which your Lordships will recollect was trutn -
;meted all over the country under the appellation
of the glorious majority of 45. My Lords I feel
warmly, lint I trust warmly as I feed that I shall certainly
not forget the respect I owe to the House, nor to the pub-
lic at large; and there is nothing further from my with
than to inflame the mintle of the public, which are cer-
tainly at this moment in a very irritated state; but I
do say that I look upon this measure as one of the most
outrageous measures ever- iwoposed, and one • that duce
undermine and shake the Constitution. My Lords, I reallv
believe and feel, that until I shall hear from the Noble
Lord now sitting on the Woolsack, that the que.tion
has been decided—that this Measure has been adopted—
that it will-not pass into a law. I mean nothing personal
to the Noble Duke, for I can assure him that no one
can be more desirous to obey every dictate he can lay down
in the field, but in this IfouSe I certainly shall feel it
mey bounden duty to resist, in every manner and shape
the Law and the Constitution of the country will allow
sae, both the liills, looking upon them as the ruin of my
country.—(llear. )—My Lords, I can assure pow Lordships
that this is the sincere feeling of mY heart, and therefore I
do declare, whenever the two Bills shall come up,
I shall most positively give my vote against both of them,
being convinced in my own mind that the Noble
Duke would never have agreed to the measure fur taking
off the disabilities of the Catholic', were it not for the
disfranchisement of the 40s. freeholder, and I for one can-
not think of sacrificing my country for the sum of 101. My
Lord I have now stated my feeling upon the sularet—it
was a duty I owed to the petitioners to do so, I am sorry
I have detained your Lordships so long, and I beg now'
that the petition may be read.—(Applause.)
The Clerk read the petition. •
The Earl of WICKLOW had listened to the petition,
just presented by the illustrious Duke, with all the attention
which a petition coining from so large and respectable a
body of his fellow-countrymen required, and he was happy
to say that in its prayer he fully concurred. When he said
that he was willing to subscribe to the prayer of the Peti-
tion, he distinguished that prayer front the means
recommended by the petitioners for carrying it into
effect. The petitioners requested Parliament to suppress.
the Catholic Association. It had already been sup,
pressed. The petitions next reqeired their Lordships to
maintain the Protestant Constitution of these realms. He
believed that if the present measures had not been con-
tensplated by Goiernment, but that their Lordships had been
employed in devising means of carrying the wishes of the
petitioners into effect, they could have hit upon none better
calculated for that impose than those very measures
themeelves.—(llear, hear.)—His firm belief was, that if
time Bill did not paia the Protestant religion could
not exist in Ireland. Already up to the Present
time the Protestant ppleulation of Ireland bad been no
the decline. The el:emigration of Protestant,' had been
very great, and it their Lordships should agree to reject
the measure now proposed under circumstances totally. dif-
ferent from those in which it had been rejected before—it
having now been recommended to the consideration of
Parliament in the speech from the throne, anti declared
by Ministers on their responsibility to be necessary for
the tranquillity of Leland—the consequences no man
could contemplate ; but such a proceeding must imme-
diately tend tee increase the emigration of the lower ranks
of Protestants. He now particularly addressed himself to
those Noble Lords connected with his own country who
opposed the measures which the King's Ministers con-
ceived necessary to the tranquillity of Ireland, and asked
them what state of things it was which they contem-
plated ? lie would suppose, and it was with great re-
luctance be admitted such a supposition, that Ministers
would be defeated on this measure, that Parliament would
he dissolved in the present agonised state of this country,
and the alarming condition of Ireland, and that a small ma-
jority of a new Hr use of Commons might be got to sup.
port another Minietry. 'What, lie asked, would be_ the
consequence ? Suppose the new GoirernMent should sue
ceed by means of military force is siippreeSing the feeling
of discontent in Ireland—suppose thitethe'Brunswick anti
Orange Clubs were to he pl-aced in array against their
countrymen ; was that to be the continued state of society
in Ireland?—(Hear, hear.)—Were they not to look be•
yond that? Did Noble Lords deny that the measures-pro_
posed by Government would-restore tranquillity to Ireland.
(He.►r. from the cross.lsenehes.)—No °Delia(' said that
tranquillity could be obtained without it. Ministers hate-
ing declared, on their responsibility, that the measure was
necessary for the tranquillity of Ireland, those who opposed
the measure Were bound to come forward and state whet
would answer the same purpose, unless they meant to say
that Ireland was to continue for ever in her present mise-
rable and degraded state,—(year,
The Duke of RICHMOND said that the Noble Lord

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who had just addressed the House had called dpon those
who opposed the measures of Goiernment to state what
they would wish to substitute^ in tl4:ir place. No opinion
of his upon this point could have notch weight with their
Lordships, and therefare he weold quote that of a high
legal authority, who, after having argued the question at
considerabie length, and declared that the granting of eman-
cipation would be the upsetting of the Protestant Church,
being asked what he proposed to substitute for ematieipa.
tion, said, 6' I do not know that I ought toe required to

answer such a question. My answer therefore is, ti at I
am not a Member of his Mijesty's Goren mnent. lam not

one of the Ministers of the E;to.vn,—l have no connexion

with the Government,=l am not united to themi other:

wise than by the respect I owe to the individuals of which
it is composed. It would consequently be idle, and indeed
mischievous, fur me to pretend to say what is my opinion
as to the measures that ought to he adopted:" lie (the

Duke of Richmond) concurred in the opinion now ez
pressed. Her thought it would be extremely silly aid im-
proper In any one not bohling office to declare his Senti-
ments on the point referrei to, and th'e'refore he felt much
respect for the Master of the Rolls of 1827 for having made
that statement.—(ll, ar.)
After a few words from tie Earl of Wicxcow, the Earl

of DA RNLEr, and Lord FARNHAM,
The Duke of CUMBERLAND presented a petition
againat concession from the University of Dublin, signed
by 1,109 persons. Amongst those who bad signed the
petition were the Chancellor and Vic-Chancellor, two
Archbishops, 10 Bishop, 15 Doctors of Divinity, 18 Doc-
tors of Laws, and 148 Masters of Arts, including the most
distinguished members of the bar and other professions.
Lord PLUNKETT said, that the reason for his taking

the liberty to rise, upon this petition being presented by
the Noble and Illustrious Duke, was, because it purported

to proceed from the University of Dublin. He was anxi-
ous, in the first place, to prevent any impression going
abroad, since the name of the University of Dublin had
been connected with this petition, though the Noble and
Illustrious Duke had very properly stated that it came only
from the undenigned graduates of that University—he
was anxious, he repeated, that the petition should not be
taken as the petition of the University of Dublin. It
certainly was competent for any number of persons, being
graduates, to address any petition to their Lordships, but
he could not help regretting that the petition had been pre-
sented to their Lordships, because it•was not merely the
petition of the individuals • who signed, but was in his
knowledge, though it might not be in that-of some Noble
Lords, that a Society had been forthed in Dublin, consist-
ing of the graduates of the University of Dublin, fur the
purpose of making arrangements to defeat that measure
which it was in the contemplation of his Majesty's Minis-
ters shortly to submit to their Lordships.—(Hear.)—lt
was the more unfortunate that such a Society existed,
because it had been formed, or if not formed it had been
countenanced, by those whose duty it was to watch over
the state of the University and preserve the peace anti tran-
quillity of the place —(lean )—He, therefore, could not
help lamenting that such a Society should have been form-
ed out of the materials, which the University afforded,
' more particidaily as that Society had thought right to adopt
one of the must objectionable • measures of the Roman
Catholic Association—the collection of a rent from all
persons willing to subscribe.—(hear, hear, hear.)---Ile
dared say that the Noble and Illustrious Duke was not
aware of that cit cumstance ; but it was a most unwarrant-
able proceeding in those who bad thus countenan ;ell the
Society, because it was likely to beget distraction and ill-
will. With respect to the University of Dublin, he begged
leave to say, that the University was undoubtedly a
Protestant endowment. It was endowed in Ow time of
Queen Elizabeth; but though it was a Protestant endow-
ment, it was a public school, for the education not exclu-
sively of the children of the Protestants, but of the children
of the whole people of Ireland. That University bad con-
ducted itself with marked prudence and discretion. He
hail had the honour of knowing that University for up-
wards of 40 years, and during the whole of the period he
had been connected with it, and with persons interested in
its welfare, its conduct had been so marked with. libe-
rality, and so' distinguished by t'ae •abaence of all patty
feeling, as to be considered by the gentry of Ireland—RD.
man Catholic as well as Protestant—as an asylum free
from that inflammatory spirit which had unfortunately
spread itself over the country. As to the graduates of the
University who had signed the • petition, as he had not
looked over their names; he • was- not competent ti say
who they were, lint lie 4,nl no d.iuht they were highly re- •
spectable, and he believed that the most of them were cler-
gymen of the established church. lie held in his hand
two petitions, which he intended to present that night to
their Lordships. One of them came front the under-
signed Protestant members of the Irish bar, and the oilier
was the petition of the Roman Catholic members' of the
Irish bar. -The first petition was signed by upwards of
100 persons, and the petition of the Roman Catholic •
barristers was signed by upwards of 70 persons. There
was scarcely a pet son who had signed either of those-petitions
who haul not been a graduate of the University of Dublin, and
he would take the liberty of saying,• that in his judgment,
the sentiments of those laymen, who had thy opportunity el
eltamining the state of the country, and whose profes-
sional avocations ' made them peculiarly acquainted with
its conditions—these petitions, lie thought, formed a much
more adequate representation of the opinions of -the gra-
duates of the University of Dublin, than the petition re-
sented by the Noble and Illuati ious Duke. Having said
thus much, he begged leave to state What the University
of Dublin was, with respect to the election pf &Represen-
tative to sit in the House of Commons. The University
of Dublin consisted of fellows and scholars. The number
of fellows was 26, and of those 26, he would take upon
himself to say, there were not More than seven or eight
who entertained any feeling hostile to the measures pro_
posed by his Majesty's Ministers. • Aa to the 70 scholars,
he haul not had of late an opportunity of .ascertaining what
'their opinions were, but he had reason to believe that the
great majority were favourable to the measure introduced
• into the other House of Parliament. Without entering
into a minute examination of the subject, he would lay be•

fore their Lordships some grounds to warrant the conclu-
sions.to which he bad come. His own opinions with re-
spect to the Catholic question:4d been long known—he
had never concealed them, but had taken every opportu-
nity of Aleclaring them, and .they were known to every
member of the University of Dublin. With the full know-
ledge of those opinions, the members of that University
had done him the honour,- which he should ever bear in
his recollection with the proudestsais!action, of returning
him as their Representative in Parliament on five sums-
„cations.—(Hear.)--He had said thus much to set
the matter in its proper light.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord KING wished to say one word respecting the peti-

Lion just presente4. The petitioners stated, that the tti ord
of Go 4 was a teased book to the Catholics, and that tra-
dition was only accessible to the privileged orders. ' heir
private judgment, the" petitioners stated, was overruled by
aorpor.►te views. The petitioners, in making use of the
expression " corporate ♦iews," had, no doubt, this little
fact in their minds. He held in his hand an extract,

made from the journals of an incorporated -body. It ap-
peared on the journals of the trustees of the linen and
hemp manufacture of Ireland, that a porter was discharged
on the complaint of a clergyman, that he was a vile,
drunken, and blasphemous fallow'. In a subsequent page
of the journal it was recorded that the discharged porter
was restored to his situation on his turning Protestant.
(Much laughter.) Let that be a set-rff to the charge
made against the Roman Catholics, of acting in a corporate
capacity.—(Laughter.)
The Duke of CUMBERLAND presented petitions
against any further concessions to the Roman Catholics,
from two places in Ireland. -
Earl GREY presented petitions in favour of the Catholic
claims from the Roman Catholics of Shepton-Mallett ; from
the inhabitants of Great Yarmouth ; from the town and
port of Dover ; from the inhabitants of Ashton-under
Line ; and from the Catholics of the sante place ; from the
Roman Catholics of Rochdale and it;s Vicinity ; and from
places in the counties of Lancaster and York. The Noble
Earl also presented a petition from the physicians, surgeons,
and students of the Westminster Medical Society, praying
their Lordships to take measures to remedy the existing
inconveniences with respect to the dissection of bodies.
• The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE 'Presented a petition
from the town of Belfast, numerously and respeetab:y
signed, in favour of the Catholic claims ; also a petition
to the same effect from a parish in Downshire. The
Noble Lord was requested by some of the inhabitants of
the town of Bainbridge; in the county of Dublin, to state
'to their Lordships that a petition whieli had been presented
to their Lordships, from that• place, by a Noble Earl,
against the Cathslic claims; did not represent the senti-
ments of the majority of the people of the town.
Lord DUNALLY presented several petitions (ruin
parishes in Tipperary, in favour of the Roman Catholic
claims. .
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, in riling to pre-
sent some petitions in favour of tl',...'Catholic Claims, be-
lieved that the Protestants of Ireland were not very liberal,
but they now-saw the necessity of putting an end to the
which existed in Ireland. Ile informed their
Lordships that he had presented an address to kis Majesty
from ' the inhabitants". of the county of Londonderry, in
which they expressed a desire that his Majesty would re-
conunend to the consideration of Parliament, a Ille3(tire,
for the purpose of uniting together all classes of people in
Ireland. The Noble Marquis stated, that he could nut

believe that the Catholic Asiociation was put down when

he saw a meeting held at the 'Thatched-house., and a cor-
respondence kept up with the Catholics of Ireland. He
held in Iti4 hand a letter written to Ireland, calling!upon
the forty-shilling freeholders to resist the measure for their
disfranchisement, and he thought that that species of agi-

tati:m ought not to be allowed to continue, while the
mf.asures relating to Ireland were pending before .Parlia-
mt-nt, nod called upon the Noble Lords opposite, who
went under the denomination of the Whigs, to join him in
putting an end to it. Ile Lad moved for some returns re-

epccting the number of freeholders in Ireland, whick had
not yet been presented, but he thought but little diminu-
tion would take place in the number of freeholders if they
were only raised to. 10/ lle therefore now gave notice
of his intention, when the Disfranchisement Bill should

come up to their Lordships, to propose that the elective,
franchise should be raised to 20/. He thought it was an
injustice to touch the electiiefranchise at all, hut, in hits
opinion, it was better for their Lordships to do a great id,
justice and effect their object, than to do a little injustice anti
fail. The Noble Lord then presented petitions in favoti: off
the Catholic Claim., from the city of Londonderry, friz%)
the county of Londonderry, and from eight other places id
Ireland.

The Marquis of CLANRICARDt shotild fed p his
duty to oppose the measure respecting the elective franchise
of Ireland, when it should be brought forward.
Lord ROLLE presented a petition against the Catholia
Cht:rns.

Lord KENYON presented similar petitions from Alden-
ham, Ilerts, and from two other places.
The Bishop of BRISTOL (who spoke in a tone quite
inaudilde below the bar) was understood to present a pe-
tition from clergymen in Gloucestershire against the Ca-
tholic claims, and praying for securities for the Establish•.
ed Church. The Right Rev. Prelate made some observe-
Cons which were not audible.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—This petition .came
from a district in which the Catholic religion did not only
exist, but had been upon the increase, and he was happy
to have an opportunity of stating, in the presence of the
Hoare and of the: Right Rev. Prelate, an instance of
•highly culpable conduct respecting the discharge of clerical
duties, which was much more likely to produce Injury fri
the Established Church than any measure which could
proceed from the Legislature. In a part of the county of
Dorset which was, he believed, in the diocese of the Right.
Rev. Prelate, there had been for many years a nunnery, in
which there were a great number of Catholic ladies re..
markable for their zeal for the religion they professed. The
part of Doractshire to which he alluded, consisted of two
villages, and during the whole of that time the nunnery
existed, though the living was worth 'MO/ a year, there_
had never been a resident clergyman there.—(Hear, hear.)
The living, to which another living was attached, was the
living of Spettisbury, of which the Rector bad resided in
London for SO years, during which time there lad rust
been even a 'resident curate in the place. Now/ if tbti
Catholic religion had increased there, let bins not filar
said that it was owing to the encroaching spirit of first tie-
ligion, but let it be attributed to the real cause—the ifant
of efficient discharge of clerical duties on the spot by a MI
silent clergyman.—(Hear, bear.)
The Bishop of BRISTOL was understood to say, that
the greater part of his time was occupied in promoting the
residence of clergymen on their livings in his diocese : and
to ask the name of the c'ergyman to whom the Noble Mar-
quis :Abided.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE did not recollect the
name ; but be would take care to famish the Right Rev.
Prelate with it. Nothing could he farther from his inten-
tion than to impute to the Right Rev. Prelate the omission
of his duties.

The Earl of GUILFORD said, it appeared to him that •
the Noble Marquis had made a most unfair and unjust -at-
tack upon the clergy in general, founded upon a particular
instance of neglect on the part of one of the body.—(Cries
of " No, no.")—lt certainly appeared to him, that if the:-
Noble Marquis bad not made the charge directly, he had
at least insinuated as much, and meant it to be inferred, •
from this single fact, that the clergy were generally negli-
gent of their duties—(cries of " No, no")—.and he asked
the Noble Marquis if such were not Isis intention ?,.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—I have great pleasure
in answering the question of the Noble Earl. Certainly l-
east no such imputation on the clergy directly—certainly I.
insinuated no such charge against the clergy. I am.our-
prised that the Noble Earl should think me capable of in-
sinuating any charge..—(Cheers.)-11 I had meant to
Pri e a charge against the, clergy, I should have made it
directly, not insinuated it ; nor 8110111.1 1 have feared to.do
so, even in the presence of so powerful an advocate of the -
clergy as the Noble Earl is.—(Cheers and laughter.)l
merely stated one instance of mu conduct.
The Earl of ELDON—In rising to call the attention of
your Lordships to the petitions I. hold in my hand, I du
not mean to trespass upon your time by, debating the rem-
sures in contemplation on this 'subject;; but I must take
this opportunity of stating, . that while I abstain from that
discussion myself, in conformity with the.understanding to
which I agreed,. )et l .will have that- rule prowl, against
others which is. ',wand against me.. Adhering- to that
rule, the propriety of which I fully admit, while others
take every opportunity of snaking speeches, I .cannot
putting to myself the question,
" Semper ego auditor tantum ? nunquamne repououls
Vexatos toties ?"
If the Made Duke will not assist me in confining others as •
I am confined, I shall consider the obligation, by which I.

lave bound myself dissolved, and I Will reply to the

sp., clues of those Noble Lords to whom I allude." The
Noble and Learned Lord sail that he wished to correct a
statement which had been made respecting him in the pub-
lic journ ils. It had been stated ol him that he represent-
ed the Unitarian ministers as having no congregations-
Whether it was or was not to be lamented that they had
congregations, was a question. which he would not discuss,
but certainly he had never. represented that they•had none,
nor assimilated these individuals to a class of persons to
which he once belonged himself—briefless lawyers.—( Hear,
and laughter.)— The Noble and Learned Lord then pre-
sented petitions against the Catholic claims from the Os'
!lab of St. Luke, and from the parochial churches of St.
John, St. Andrew, All Saints, and St. Nicholas, in New-
castle-upon-Tyne.
Earl GREY could, without difficulty, subscribe to
what the Noble Lord had said with respect to the:itnpro
priety of discussing the general question at such incon-
venient occasions. The Noble Lord was certainly not
hound to ahstain from the discussion if others slid not
equally adhere to the rule. Upon the subject of this pe-
tition from Newcastle, it.had been very properly etatedthet
numbers in that town had signed a petition of aniopposite
nature. The prayer _of two of the petitions for the security
of the Protestant Aseendancy.was what no man could ob-
ject to. If the House granted .the prayer of• the. two.
other petitions, he was convinced that it wmild.only per-.
petuate the evils of discord, and of that division which all.
men deprecated, and wished to be removed. There were
circumstances respecting petitions which he wag. desirous
of stating. He should always guard himself against what;
had been iesitmated that night—a disposition lo depre-
ciate the right of petitioning ; a right which-had been al-
ways, and justly, held to be invaluable. He disclaimed
any intention of throwing any impediment in the way of
petitioning, for be admitted that the eight. was.one of the. •
most important which the subject could enjoy. It was ono
of the most excellent of the privileges obtained by the.peopie.
by the second great Charter of their liberties, establishot
by the Revolution of 1688. From him no man .would
ever hear one. word in opposition to this right, which- was
equally, invaluable to the lowest and to.tbe highest in an-
eirty. But he must be permitted to state, that there were
some subjects upon which the passion!! of the multitude •
might be more easily inflamed than ,upon others. Thu
jealousies, the fears,. and all the odious passions , might be
raise.l by artful arid inflammatory. appeals to .the :aaelent
prejudices of. the people, which would. silence and over-
power the voice of truth, and•justice, and reason. If they:
saw effects of this sort--if, instead of the petitions evincing
the reason anti justice of the.people, the How saw the fer-
ment of prejudice, such as in other times disturbed the.
public peace and produced the greatest danger, then, in the
game proportion as lie felt the value of the right, in the
same proportion as he respected the sober judgment of the
people, in that same proportion he felt himself called upon
to resist the " civium ardor prove juventium," and not,
to stiffer the House to be influenced by improper clamour,
raised by the arts of sedition and of faction.—(Hear.)--"
The country had witnessed the effects of them in other
Periode ol its history. They had seen its effects even in
opposition to the Revolution itself, when the passions of
the people were so much misled as to raise a cry in sup
port of passive obedience and absolute power. It was not
against the right of petitioning, which •no man venerated
more highly than himself, but against the abuse of that
ight—an abuse founded on the false colours in which the
proposed measure had been set forth by their opponents,
that he protested. Advering to the petitions which had
been presented by the Noble and Learned. Lord, :be
(Earl Ce ey\ observed, that in the populous and opulent
town of Newcastle there had, until the present ocoasinOs
been no disposition to stir in the question of Catholics
Emancipation. For the many years during which that
question had been agitated, both the Members. for 'New-
castle had voted in favour of h. ,Their conduct in that re-
spect had never been objected to by their constituents. In
the various elections which had taken place, he had never
heard that, either on their canvass, or at the hustings, arly

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questions 14u1.Leen put to the candidates on the subject.
On the presept occasion the general inhabitant.; of
.the
town of Newcastle had evinced no disposition to petition,
but the C orgy thought fit to take a very active part. When
the measures for the relief of the Catholics were announced
in Parliament, the first step taken by the Vicar of New-
castle was to apple to the Mayor to call a meeting of the in--
habitants; for the purpose of petiti.ining against those
measures. The application not being fortified by a requi-
sition, the Mayor refused to listen to it. Means were then
taken to produce the petitiens which the Noble Lord had
that night pieeented. The Noble Lord said that he hail
been instructed to say, aed that he could bring very re-
-I"Peetahhi gentlemen to the liar to prove, that no improper
means had been used in getting up these petitions. He
(Earl Grey) did not mean to impute any very great abuse
in that Point. It was true, that the petitions were carried
about the town, ',and that names were annexed to them
,whieli ought not to be found there but he wotald pass
that
e over. Trliereovere some °thee eiteihneiances, how-
"ver, attending thete petillofie which were well worthy the
qtentinn ni LoilShne anti especially of the two Right
e;, . •
• Prelat; oalloSite. The petition from the parish of
s ▪ t".‘ll jahia2' AVM first produced by the Clergy, at the
b that parish, to two or three persons who they
weredinetile to any concession to the Roman Catholics.
Lie was sorry to sett', that inflammatory addresses were
Published to the people of Newcastle, calling en them m
snared against the renewal of all the horrors ox Popery,
which the intended measures were, it was said, calculated
t" shiest, net vvas not enough. Apprehensive that those
tneans would not he enough to obtain sufficient support
to their petitien, • they sought for allies in a quarter which
he thought she Right Rev. Prelates would not -approve,
and they bad porch:teed the assistance of those allies at rn
expense which he thought the Right Rev. Prelates would
r.,,,ensitler too great. The fact was this;--that when the
petition from the parish of St. Nicholas was first drawn
up by the Clergy, it contained not only a strong decla-
ration against the nOttlall Catholic., but also a warm
expression of .the ;attachment of thoses by whom the pe-
tition was subscribed to the Established Constitution
end tit the Government in Church and State. Now, if
the &Oahe :and Learned. Lord would cast his eyes
s‘l\lt. the petition in its present form, he would find that
It contained no such words. lie would tell that Noble and
Learned Lord how they came to be omitted. Ile had
already said that the Clergy sought for allies in their tin-
Lt.1,14.,1ftt.'-:-They had sought and found them in the Wes-
Cn Methodists. • But whentthe petition was presented to
'"e Wesleyan Methodists for the purpose of receiving their
signatueeN they objected to the clause expressing attach-
meat to t° the Church and State; and upon their representa-
the Petition was withdrawn, and another substituted
without the clause. This was a fact which seemed to him
Znbne "ally of their Lordships' attention. Ile did not
v Whether he was authorised to infer that those who
t-deee•
!)f' to the introduction of the clause expressive
attachment to Church and State were necessarily hostile
tole connection of Church and State ; but at least it
rrini6lit be inferred that they were not very friendly to it.
A
While heaves on that topic, lie would suggest to the
"'At Reverend Prelates, that while they were on their
the
against Popery, it would lie well for them to protect
Ipe
against those whose designs and views might
ejeasidered at least as dangerous to the Church of Eng-
lam In consequence of finding that this petition was in
pof reparation, a' number of the most respectable inhabitants
of
Newceetle--lawyers, medical men, merchants,
agis-
mas and others— mthought it necessary that a public
eeting (mid
Y discbe called, at which the question might be
to'di n"etls They accordingly presented a requisition
f at effect. to the Mayor. He complied, and appointed
capable purpoite the Guildhall of the town, which was
t`laPaule of containing about 3,000 persons. As soon as
„.17 W4ii known, another requisition was got up, and
how"imy no doubt, very respectable men ; among whom,
namt,er, there was not one magistrate, not one eminent
e not one eminent physician, and only one clergy-
fttle attorney, and two merchants. This requisition
°tasted that, the Guildhall was too small for the intended
aptur
Pine, and called upon the Mayor to hold the meeting
sots Place capable of holding a larger assemblage of per.
poin't. In compliance with this requisition the Mayor :m-
-enu ac well knowu to the Noble and Learned Lord,
the pl
Spit e al. A Noble and Reverend Lord ono the
tcareokaa
m
1 bench hattcondemned what he considered unjust at-
fliend thla•Clerny. Ile (Earl Grey) was no greater
munii euch attbacks than the Noble Lord. He was a
eruf the Church of Eegland. He was sineere'y tackedat-
DtO the truth of its doctrines. He wished to hold it
up r"Peet, hut he did not think that the way to hold it
n respect was to abstain from noticing the errors of
°fib; c Ministers. He was sorry to say that the con-
lee f the Clergy at Newcastle, on the occasion to which
th_wils eferring, did net appear to him calculated to benefit
trr(-hutch to which they belonged, or to support their
• acter. as Ministers of peace and charity. They re-
Ire(' to every kind of-inflammatory proceeding in fur-
in once of their object. They had sought -for aid, not
inhabited.-principally
but in all the neighbouring villages,
by colliers; hoping by clamour to
'estroy the effeets.44 reasoning and argument. As a spe-
t,ittien of the bills circulated by them, he would read to their
liarilehips.one which he had obtained. It was to the fol-
:,aing effect :—' The faction led by their apostate leathers
itia developed its accursed plan. All offices are to be opened
the Papists, eacept those of Lord Chancellor and Lord
e7ittenant of Ireland. When once the Papists take their
• in Parliament the British Constitution Will be at an
gill,: for there will be no security for the Protestant Hell-
ttThe apostate Ministers of the Crown have declared
arliainent that they will carry their proposed measures
,kPite of the people. Do not neglect your duty.—
, NT"' at the Meeting appointed to be held at the Spital.
PNltild diY thousands." Accordingly a large mob, coin-
ehieflY of the colliers in the neighbourhood of
,Iteslstle, attended. One of the Right
Rev. Prelates
INN ire was well acquainted with the Diocese in which
ttl/4eaeir t.le was situated. He. well knew how the Church
bilkh:n?lnent was there assailed. Perhaps. there was not
a K. in England in which Methodism had made so grea
feue're. He was far within limits when lie stated that
g44iths of the working colliers, who inhabited the vil-
-4:,n the neighbourhood of Newcastle, belonged to con-
al ite l°4l of Wesleyan Methodists. Supported by this
i:rg
re
*thaznezrg_ and
etnie °f Em overbore at the meet-
t.
argutannenciptoattjonits friends. The motion
ebo Petition in eta favour was negatived by a majority of
at
great to four. But their Lordships would fall into a
Prete I‘ror if they were to conclude that that decision re-
it aer'" the real opinion of the town of Newcastle.
4nriao4et,h,e °Pinion of a mob assembled by the assist-
Wesleyan Methodists, to whom, indeed, was
tile, attributed a large proportion of the petitions hos-
tnt,(l4o the' Catholics which had been presented to their
tvhiahhiPT• Since that, the
the
.kin Corporation of Newcastle,
is w" °tie of the most reepectable and opulent
Prertega"ts met and unanimously decided upon
ilg_lting a Petition in favour of the; Catholic Claims,
bet, Petition, he believed, was in the hands of a Noble
4 ft , WllOl4 they had honoured themselves by making
"itieZulart. Those who had signed the original Requi-
siieji to the Mayor also met, and prepared a petition of a
41. IlatUre, which was now circulating for the recep-
ie ,Tlrthe signatures; and he (Earl Grey) expected that
; Ateg to time it would contain a great proportion of the
lie hq influence and respectability resident in Newcastle.
tefle:l.l,atated these-facts, not with a view of throwing any
open the Clergy ; but he perfectlyagreed with his
the ia'rdentt near him, that the best means of preventing
"1•
4,,Zeast of dissent of any kind from the Established
ne lvt(a, for.the Ministers of the Church of England to
thep,,,A,erit ih the discharge of their duties. By so doing,
istitfr7ght perhaps'convert a number of the Chapels ex-
ino 'r,tri the neighbourhood of Newcastle and elsewhere
freal'anreltee. One great cause of the extensive dissent
tropete Church was, the accumulation of the Church
"ad to an enormous extent. That and other causes
butt. need the effects which lie had described. He was
"t ,:tl,:vvishiiig to make any attack open the Church ;
theia nait made the statement with which he had troubled
had C•rdships, in order to show them the means which
'4114.4".n. resorted to to obtain many of the petitions pre-
all tt: them at this important crisis ; and more espe-
„"arl lk.;warn them against considering the petitions which
✓ Presented by the Noble and, Learned Lord, as ;A-
TI, h,the opinions of the inhabitants of Newcastle.
rsishnp BilisToL had some reason to look with
avlnsion to the active measures of the Roman Gallo-
nl;set :barn it had pleased some of them to declare that. their
n°tt.er• e of the '" tits ruin National Church ; and it was
thee Y unreasonable that the Clergy should feel a more
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hditiery interest in the subject. He had no solicitude
toner irnself forward on this occasion. He had come to
13altellibe performance of his duty ; and when the Noble
were trell hie views on this subject, which he confessed
rfluell `lllrdifferent from hie, he confessed that he felt
net
,It,nl)rietl and disappointed.
Pi:lt4tiehEY disclaimed any intention of casting any int-
'Jut V''neinst the Clergy of the Established Church.
,Clerty
i!,ertainly was of opinion that the junction of the
filtertatjith the Methodists was not likely to promote the
PeOlt 8
t
;:; Church or to uphold its character.
r".°P.-of BATH and WELLS contended that the
ghat 110..'is Country had an undoubted right to petition
Whiti:'tilld- he could not help saying that the manner
IPpositt Petition,' had been treated by the Noble Lords
%use 01/41_11Ct calculated to raise the character of the
ih'the eyei of the people. Scarcely a pe-

titian had been presented from that (One Ministerial) side
of the House, upon au grinituled or ground-
lees, had not been made. y had tetli in the habit
saying a great deaf lot iLetiteil es, and ,
:-7,4(!01ve
to say something, for the people England. (lot:It they,
he would ask, do other than fad damply O. a question,
which involved their interest and their religita: ? It was
touch better that they should petition ; because otherwise
the people of England might be roused to express their
feelings in a manner which he should sot wish to witness.
With respect to svb tt had been said about the conduct of
clergymen in connecting themselves with petitions, he
should merely observe, that he would censure any clergy-
man who got up a petition in a way not creditable to his
character; but he thought that the clergy had a right to
come forward in a proper manner. With respect to his
own clergy, he felt no difficulty in defending them. He
was proud to be the of such an etemplary body or
thiiiy—'Clietti., hear.)
The Earl of MOUNTCASIIEL said the Noble Earl
had made a very unjust attack on the Wesleyan Metho-
dists, who were not Dissenters, but were, on the contrary,
in communion with the Church of England. They agreed
with the Church of England in all its doctrines; but
they were generally considered to be it more religions body.
Earl GREY said, if he had used the term "Dissentert,"
(hut he believed he had net) as applied h the Wesleyan
Methodists, then he certainly Was in error. Ile knew that
the Wesleyan Methodists professed to join in communion
with this Church of England.
The Earl of ELDON was very far from saying that
there might not be petitions most iniproperly got up, as
had been stated by the Noble Earl, but let neat the Noble
Earl suppose that that er,thsatiOrl applied only to the pe-
titions on oae side. With respect to the Clergy of this
place, as far as he knew any thing of them, he had every
reason to believe that they were most respectable indi-
viduals ; and he would say that the Clergy would
not have done their duty to that Church of which
they were Ministers, if they did not assist in bringing
these petitions before their Lordships. He had been
now -near fifty years in Parliament, and he was sure
be never recollected the country in so agitated a state
as it was at present. He was perfectly convinced that a
vast majority of the people were opposed to this measure.
He had himself presented 600 petitions, every one of which
(with the exception of one which a Noble Lord placed in
his hands the other night) he had carefully examined, both
with respect to the matter contained in them, anti the
names affixed to them; and be would say, that names ap.
;reared to some of those petitions, that would do honour to
those who sat in either House of Parliament. The Noble
Earl complained, that a junction had taken place between
the Protestant and the Wesleyan Methodists; but, when
Protestants were called on to address their Lordships, in
support of their religion, would any man tell him that the
Wesleyan Methodists were not Protestants ? They hart as
much right as any set of men whatever to petition. He
was nearly overpowered by the number of provincial papers
that were sent to him to read, in consequence of their con-
taining reports of the debates on this question which oc-
curred every day in all parts of the kingdom, arid he really
was astonished at the ability and knowledge displayed at
those meetings by members of the Wesleyan Methodist per-
suasion. Many of their addresses would do honour to the
members of that House ; and, indeed, he believed very few
Noble Lorels would be able to rival them.

After a few words from the Earl of GUILFORD, the
petitions were laid on the table.
The Earl of ELDON said, he had fifty more petitions to
present; but as he had too much respect for the petitions
of the people, to present them in so thin a House, he should
not bring them forward till to-morrow.
The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a petition
from the Mayor and Corporation of the town of New-
castle, in support of the Roman Catholic claims.—Laid on
the table.

The Bishop of BATH and WELLS presented four peti-
tions against the Roman Catholic claims, from different
places in Sotnersetshire.
Lord CLIFDEN presented six petitions from different
parts of Ireland, and one horn two parishes in Oxfordshire,
in favour of the Roman Catholic claims.

The Noble Lord also presented three petitions against
the Sub-letting Act, and four petitions against the Vestry
Act, from different places in Ireland.

Lord BEXLEY presented petitions from Hillingdon,
and another place, against Roman Catholic claims.—Ad-
journed.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(LAST NIGHT.)

Mr. Waller presented certain papers from the Commis-
sioners of Woods and Forests, relative to the Charing-cross
I►nprovements.
Mr. BANKES presented seven petitions from Merionetb,
against concessions. _ _ .

Admiral HARVEY presented five similar petitions
from Essex.

Mr. V. STUART presented petitions from Tipperary
in favour of the Catholics, and also against the Disfran-
chisement Bill.

Mr. TUITE presented several petitions from West-
rneatl► and King's comity, against the Vestry and Sub-
letting Act.

Colonel BARNARD presented a petition from the
corporals and drummers of the King's County and Lime-
rick Militias, praying that their situation alight be eon.
Bidet ed.

Lord LOWTHER presented six petitions from West-
moreland and Cumberland, against concessions.
Earl of BECTIVE presented a petition from the cor-
porals of the Meath Militia. He observed, that some of
the petitioners had served for 30 or 40 years, and it would
be very hard if they were to be:thrown on the world without
any provision.

The Noble Member also presented four petitions from
Ireland, praying for emancipation.
Mr. MONCK presented a petition from a Mr. W. Haller,
against the Catholics being emancipated without the secu-
rity of Parliamentary Reform, also from a pariah in Ireland.
He hoped that some measure would be taken for the relief
of the poor of Ireland.
Admiral HARVEY presented a petition from Billericay
against concession.

Sir R. INGLIS presented similar petitions from the
counties of Lanark and Ayr, and from two parishes of
Glasgow. He stated that the people of Scotland were
never more intelligently united than against concession.
Sir M. S. STEWART, in reference to one of the pe-
titions, from Bothwell, read to the House a letter which
he had received from a persOn residing in the parish. The
writer stated that the clergyman had called on the parishioners
from the pulpit, to come forward and sign the petition,
unless they intended to have their throats cut by the
" bloody Papists ;" that if the petition failed, it was their
duty to fight knee-deep in blood for their religion, if they
wished to avoid the fire and faggot proceedings which their
forefathers had experienced. The Hon. MeMber con-
sidered it his duty to lay this knowledge before the House,
in order to show what was the mode of getting up petitions
on this subjett. He would not deny that there might be
a numerical majority against concession amongst the igno-
rant and illiterate part of the community, thus worked upon
by the persons who had been appointed for their moral
instruction, and had taken such an improper advantage of
the authority which their sacred functions had endowed
them. Another observation of the before mentioned Cler-
gyman was, that the Catholics were worse than the ancient
inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah, and that those
persons who now refused to petition against them were
worse than the Roman Catholics.—(Hear, hear.)--
The Hon. Member accounted for the number of petitions
signed by so many of the lower classes of Scotland, by stating
that the Priests in their addresses to the petitioners, told
them that if the Catholics were emancipated, their wage*
would be still further reduced by the immense shoals of
hungry Irishmen—(laughter)—that would rush over to
share their work.

General GASCOYNE rose to deprecate a custom by
far too prevalent on that side of the House, he meant that of
objecting to and cavilling at every petition presented, if it did
not accord with their views.—(Cries of No.)—There were
petitions from six to seven thousand respectable persons to
declare their opinion on this subject, and how did the
Hon. Member answer them ? 'Why by two letters from
individuals whom he did not name. He would have those
petitions rejected—(" No, no")—or at all events he would
question the origivality of them, on the testimony of two
persons who, however respectable they might be, were
entitled to no such influence. lie had edrnitted that the
great body of the people of Scotland were against con-
cession; and he (General Gascoyne) was convinced
that if the measure was postponed for a short time
that opinion would become clear to the world. He
observed the soreness that was displayed whenever a
counter-petition was presented, by the objections to
the names of juniors or of old women.—(Laughter. )
But why object to the names of women? Did they forget
bow many female addresses were presented during the
Queen's business ?—(Hear, hear.)—He believed that
if every thing which possessed an.mation could petition,
it would cry out against Emancipation.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir W. S. STEWART explained.
Sir J. WROTTESLEY contended that every petition
which had been presented had been treated with the re-
spect which the expressions of the &togs of the people
deserved.

Mr. TRA'NT said, that the exa►nple of the interference
of the clergy having been set in Ireland, especially at the
county of Clare election, the Protestant clergy were justi-

se(l in foPotving that example. tespeet to Seot_
land, the clergy there had smite rt'lS.4l! to fetl alarm, as
they had already stated front p,rgeettti,tl trIl•
In the reign of Charles li. the pin.Aeentioti •ti,!nitsit toult
place had its rise znpitg-,t the llontan Catitolle4, and
Charles himself, althottli not a known and a.rowctl Itoman
Catholic, was an in s, tret.
. _

Lord ALTIIOI'.IT. admitted that the tirote,irarit clergy
bad as good a right as ►he Roman Catholic clergy to nsr
their influence with the people, but he thought no sect of
clergymen should make use of the place which was set
apart for the wor,hip of God as a political arena from which
to influence the Minds of the people.
Mr. C. PELHAM made some observations which were
inaudible.
Sir R. INGLIS did not consierr linnstif responsible for
the general noildliet of those Who opposed dr of those Who
slipported the present measures. Fle conceived that they
were injurious to the hest interests of the country, and he
therefore opposed them. With respect to the interference
of the clergy, they felt that the question was a religious
one, and as such they were not only justified but bound
to interfere as the natural guardians of their religion.
Mr. BARING thought they were bound to inquire a
little into the history of those petitions, for the purpose of
aSeettalningtlf What matorial the wete cirripos',l.. He
admitted that in point of numbers the people were opposed
to concession ; but if the actual sense of the country was
taken, the minds of the people would be found to be nine-
tenths in favour of it.

Mr. TRANT explained.
Mr. C. PALLMER Objected td the course pursued
by an Relit-Arable Member (Mr. taiing) in Stigmat: ing
a p. tition which had not yet been presented, and declaring
that to be false which lie had not read.

After some further observations the petition was ordered
to be printed.

Mr; DUNCOMBE had sixteen petitions to present
from different parts of the 'county of York, prnying that
Ito further concessions might be granted to the Roman Ca..
thulica. All these petitions were respectably, and many
of them numerously, signed. Although he (Mr. Dun-
combe) had listened With tht utmost attentiun td every
thing that had fallen from those who had introatickA tl
present measures, he must say that he bad not heard one
single argumeht to justiCy them in the Coinse, they had
taken. He would not say whether their conduct deserved
to be designated as political spostacy but he Was sure
that by that conduct the confidence of the people in public
men had received a very great shock. The Hon. Member
concluded by presenting sixteen petitions from ditf.rent
parishes in Yorkshire, which Were ordered to be printed.