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idea going forth irom the Hon. Baronet's statemett of =7 d*,
sition to infringe the articles of Union.
The paper moved for was ordered to be prodnced.
Mr. WHITBREAD asked when it was intend, d to &nun t 4
Assessed Taxes. Commission Bill i
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER wishei quit
early opporturlity should be given of discussing the BUl,yor takt"
purpose of obviating the moat unfounded represent/444)4144
had been made respecting its nature and tendency.
Mr. WHITBFEEAD thught the Bill highly objectionable at.
stands, and hoped that the Right Hap. Gentleman wandde•amr.i
the obnoxious clauses.

The consideration of the Bill was fixed for Friday.
• Mr. ILANKEki
_gave notice of a motion fcr th.• r eta
j week, relative to the exemption of Voreigriers from the pro.
ierty Tait.

• TRADE WITH AMERICA.
The House having resolved itself tato a Committee to coLsii,r
II the Trade between this Country and America.
• •

ROSE moved, that it is the opinion of tut Comtra
that for a time to be limited (for one year, and to the end atilt
Session of Parliament), any goods or merchandize, the produceer
manufacture of the United States of Amerioa, not prohibited by
lavr may be Imported into this' country in British-built AIN.
owned, navigatt.4, and registered 'according to law, cr in An„.
rican ships, on paying each duties of customs and excise as arc
paid on the iinportation of such goods or merchandize frooo ar.y
other country. His object in this motion was..to place .I.ait.
ties in regard to this country on a footing with tLe must favoured
nation.

Mr. ROSE risoved another resolution, for the purpose of ?es.
mitting the importation of snug and tobacco from Auwrics.
the resolutions were agreed to, and the report was ordered to
be received to-morrow.

Mr. ROSE gSve*notice, that to-morrow he would move, that
the House resolve itself into a Committee on the Trade to the
Brazils.

ItUDGF.T.
The House having resolved itself into a Commit.
tee of Ways and Means,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, that before he entered into an explanation
of he terms on which the Loan for the year had been
obtained, he should state the items of the Supplies,
and of the Ways and Means. They were as follow :

SUPPLIES. Je
Navy — 17,496,047
Army w..... 19,439,1$
Ordnance
Miscellaneous — 1,753,000
East India Company
Swedkh Subsidy
Vote of Credit

Total Joint Chirre 48,319,8(7
SEPARATE CI AM;Es—GREAT BRITAIN.
Deficiency of Malt, 1806 275,84;
Interest on Exchequer Bills, •1908 1,400,000
Exchequer Bills, part of Vote of Credit
1807, not funded ...... 4,024,200
• 5 per Cents. 1797 to be paid off ...... 153,695
5,e5r,741

0

Total Supplies 54,173„;111
Deduct Irish proportion of Supply aid Civil List • 5,868,51 S
Total to be defrayed by Great Britain 48,305,033
WAYS AND MEANS. re
Duty on Malt, Pensions, Ste. s,c)oo,rto
Bank Advances 3,500,000
Unappropriated Surplus Consolidated Fund, at sth
April
Estimated Surplus of ditto, to sth April, 1809 3,500,000
Surplus Ways and Means, 1807 2,259,111
War Taxes
Lottery 300,000
Exchequer Bills to be issued to replace Bills not
funded 4,500,000
Ditto for the East India Company 1,500,003
Exchequer Bill., part of 10,500,000/. charged on
aids, 1809, to replace like amount on aids, HOB,
itlaieh has been funded ............ 1,161,100
Loan -iv..." COMM

. • •*, ' • ..46.441,011
Supplies 4005,0*

• Stiplus Ways and Means 116,0411
A loan of eight millions for England, and two
Loris five hundred thousand pounds for Ireland; hid
been contracted for, for every hundred pounds i
which the Subscribers had agreed to take £llB Ss. 6d.
in the Four per Cents. thus creating a capital of
£12,4084375 ; the, interest on the English part of
which amounted to e 475,386, being at the rate of
RI 14s. 6Ld, . per cent. By the funding of fow mil-
lions of Exchequer Bills, the total or the capital
created was £15,693,263,. the total mutual charge on
which was £7g8,7/3S. -.To -coveCthis there was as
follows : £
Mott Aenuitierfalletrin '
Sating:ln the management of the Public Debt
increase in the Assessed Taxes
Stamp Duties .......... ."." 170,009
•

.11. 730,00
By the postponement of the Loan, and by the fimding
of Exchequer lifills, lie contended that there had been
made to the public of four millions. He
concluded by moving a resolution, that towards
raising the Supply a sum of £10400,000,- be raised
by annnities, tic.
Mr. TIERNEY congratulated the Right Honou-
rable Gentleman and the country on the terms of the
Loan, brut he thought it right to guard the country
from running away with the idea that there was any
probability of the Budgets of future years being simi-
lar to that of the present. Government had met se-
veral pretty wind-falls this year, both in the Supplies
and in the Ways and Means, which they could not
expect to occur again. In the Supplies, there was to
be three millions and a half advanced by the Bank,
without interest, which was a circumstance that was
not to be expected another year. In the Ways and
Means also there was the falling in of the Short
Annuities, which went a great way to meet the
burdens of the year. If, therefore, it appeared
that the Ways and Means of the present year did not
create any heavy pressure on the country, it was not
to be supposed that things would go as smoothly
in every succeeding year.' He could not agree,
however, in the opinion of the Right :Honourable
Gentleman, that very great advantage had been gain-
ed, by making the Loan in the 4 per Cents. instead of
the usual manner. It was well known that this was
a stock which the bidders did not like to take;
and if the biddings had been in the 3 per cents. the
terms would have been proportionally better. "Instead
of saving any thing on the annual charge, the annual
charge (xclusive of the sinking fund created) would
be 34,0001. less if the loan had been taken in the 3
per cents. As to the chance of reducing the interest
of the 4 per cents. he thought that was very small.—
There was a time that the S per cents. were up to 96,
and yet at that time Mr. Pitt did not choose to redeem
any of the 4 per cents, at par, and the reason was
pretty obvious. There was no way of paying the 4
per cents. but by borrowing money in the 3 per Feats.
and in that case the capital of the debt would foe in-
creased, although the interest was diminished. He
considered the increased annual expence of 14.030 L

any chance that the country ever
interest on the 4 per cents.
replied to Mr. Tierney, and de-
making the bargain in the 4 per
without much loss, be redeemed

that any thing had ever fallen from him that went to
impeach the private moral character of the Noble
Marquis ; though he always thought, and was still
of opinion, that that Noble Lord betrayed too often
a mischievous ambition that might be ultimately
ruinous to the British interests in the East. He would
repeat his wish, that the worthy Baronet would wave
his antecedent resolutions, and come at once to the
immediate point at issue, as to Lord Wellesley's con-
duct with respect to the Carnatic.
Mr.WELLESLEY POLE, SirJO HN ANST RU-
THE R, and Mr. WALLACE disapproved of the
proceedings suggested by Mr. SHERIDAN; and Sir T.
TURTON observed, that he could not accede to the
proposal of his Right Honourable Friend, as it would
be contrary to the first arrangement. It was then un-
derstood, that the previous question would be moved
to each of the resolutions, except the last, censuriag
Lord Wellesley, and upon that a direct negative.
Strangers were again excluded ; and the House di-
vided on the first resolution—Ayes 18, Noes 102--e
Majority in favour of Marquis Wellesley 13*,
They then proceeded to divide on the next resolu-
tion, when there appeared—For the previous question,
109, Against it 21—Majority for Lord Wellesley 88.
When strangers were admitted, Mr.JOHNSTONE
'PORT explained what had fallen ' was on his legs. He contended, that if we had sup-
g Ireland contributing to the pay- ported the Sovereigns of Oude, the obligation was
ate. to the East India Company. mutual, for they had suppprted us when we were only
corrected some misconceptions a miserable factory. The depositions, he affirmed,
statement. The principal motive had not a shadow of Justice—and the experience of
say that he would not consent to the affair at Vellore, amongst other circumstances,
vie disposition of the Sinking Fund, was a proof that the policy was bad, and that nothing
it to remain precisely on the same grounds would, by this transaction, bp added to our revenue
ii ee ira 1786. As far as respected that plan, he had or security.
always been one of the warmest admirers of Mr. Pitt. Mr. WHITSHED KEANE opposed the Resolu-
The itesolettions approving of the Loan were then tion.
sgree4 to. Mr, CHARLES GRANT stated the three points
Cie the Resolution for imposing a Stamp Duty of defence, viz. that the Nabobs were our vassals,
•
fop Ilaeters' Notes re-issued, and we might depose or set them up as we pleased ;
W. FtLFORD observed, that it was a tax that the Government of the Carnatic was badly ma-
ebich would fall very heavy on country bankers.— paged, and that a treasonable correspondence had
He suggested that a heavy licence would answer as been carried on by Wallejah and Omdut ul Omrah
sfectually, and be less oppressive. I with our enemies. With respect to the first he entered
Me D. GIDDY thought it would be expedient to into a detail of the transactions in India since our first
et& the issue of small notes. establishment there, and contended that there was nu-
ke l-PItNER protested against the Resolution. j thiag in the whole that could give the least colinte-
He deprecated the interference of Parliament m mat- , nance to the assertion that the Nabobs were our ras-
ters of the kind. The practice of issuing small notes, ; sals With regard to the second, admitting that the
he would admit, was liable to abuses ; but they were Government was badly conducted, many ways might
tbuseswhich would be better cured by any other means I be found to ameliorate that with
th,out a deposition.—
ee those of legislative interference. The best re- With respect to the last, the correspondence had been
seedy for ttie mischief woeld be to leave it to its own carried en with the knowledge and under the direction
actioa. I of the Madras Government, for the purpose of pre-
After some further observations from Sir W. EL- serving the peace that had been concluded with Tippoo
pate, Sir J. NEWPORT, and Mr. Hesittesose the Re- Sa:b. Marquis Wellesley had besides exceeded his
OMAN adopting the whole of the schedule, respec- authority in deposing a sovereign. Upon the whole,
Sig stamps, was agreed to. therefore, he perfectly concurred in the general scope
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER of the Resolution.
coved, that the further consideration of the Resolu- I Mr. S. RUMBOLD LUSHINGTON decidedly
time, sessecting Distillation, should be postponed ' opposed the Resolution.
until friday. I After a short explanation between him and Mr.
The Report of the Resolutions respecting the Loan JOHNSTONE, the House divided, and the numbers
=ordered to be received to-morro-,v,were..--For the Resolution 17—Against it 128—Ma-
THE CARNA j TIC. jority 111.
Sir THOMAS TUIVFON (the Order of the Pay • Whilst strangers were excluded, another division
lirsiegbeen read) moved that the adjourned debate took place, and there were—For the fourth Resolu-
on the Carnatic be now resumed. No Member ap- tion 15—Against it 124—Majority 109.
?earin disposed to speak upon it, strangers were ex- When strangers were re-admitted, Sir THOMAS
cenee but were shortly after re-admitted, when we TURTON was found giving notice of hie resuming
Peed the debate on this day fortnight. The Worthy Ba-
Mr. WLLESLEY POLE on his legs, replying ronet, however, expressed some doubt as to the proba-
to,pme proposition, suppOsed to have been proposed bility of the whole of the discussion being terminated
by Mr. Ateldan. He despied with some warmth, that on that night.
Au the Noble Marquis or any of his friends were The orders remaining on the list were then disposed
wed to blink the question, but, on the contrary, of, and the House adjourned at three o'clock.
wise agiOMs for the most full, open, and impartial
daces en as the best means to secure the decisive and
temperable acquittal his noble eelative had such just
mason to look forward to. It had been objected to
die friends of that noble person that they had not been
hrwar4 eu the present occasion in opening the re.
• limed debate. He could not see how that duty de-
volved to the friends of the Noble Marquis rather than
%those whose arguments had received so convincing
Pd satisfactory an answer from the speech of a gal-
list officer on the night of last debate. He should have
isaizelttherefore, that it belonged rather to the
cl n opposite first to answer the reasoning of
.opt who had been so long upon the scene of action,
awl whose speech had deservedly made such an im-
passion on that House, before they required some
6ther Gentleinen of the same sentiments as that gal-
hot officer (Colonel Allen) to resume the present
dshate, Whatever warmth there might be in his man-
n; he was prepared to meet the question calmly and
dispassionately, not that he was callous to those im-
pressions men of any feeling could not be insensible to,
/hen he heard an Honourable Baronet say, the other '
;light, that if a man brought honour and honesty out''
to India, he despaired of his ever bringing them back
again; when he heard him use such language, he con
fined he did feel indignation, though he bowed to the
Puliamentary licence that allowed that Honourable
Baronet to say in that House what he dare not say
thelliere. As to the Right Honourable Gentleman's
wish to postpone the present debate, he (Mr. W. P.)
did not see why that Right Hon. Gentleman could'
rot as well then, as at any other time, favotu the
Bease with the eloquence he had been preparing upon
the present subject these six years back ; but at all
events he was prepared to meet the question, however
retarded or embarrassed. The friends of the NOble
Marquis were as ready as other Gentlemen to sit up
night after night the whole summer, if necessary. His
teal was founded more upon principle than any other
feeling ; and if he thought his Noble Relative deserved
me hail of what had been thrown out against him, he
should he ashamed to shew his face, much less raise
his voice in that House in his behalf.
Mr. SHERIDAN regretted the Honourable Gen-
tleman had so totally misconceived him. He had
never said that that Honotteable Gentleman, or any of
his friends, were anxious to blink the question ;—but
he had said the very reverse. He said too, what he
would repeat, that moving the previous qugstion was
Noble not the way to obtain for the Marquis the ho-
nourable and satisfactory investigations° much wished
for by his friends. It was not directly meeting the
very serious charges brought against that Noble Lord.
As to the part he took in the present question, the Ho-
nourable Gentleman ktlew well that he could not be
influenced by any other motive than a sense of
public
duty. As to the fraternal intemperance of the Hon.
Gentleman, he was willing, if not to approve it, at
least to overlook it ; at the same time, that he deniest

An of the Sinking Fund. He de-
that such was the situation of the
sent, that he firmly believed, after
the National Debt, instead of in-
-rease regularly. ( Hear ! Hear !
Hours.)

irt.T thought it not ri&ht that
any thing to the East India Com-
excluded from all the benefit of

Ai replied. that Ireland was by
to its share of any surplus of the
paid, and therefore was interested
Adia • but the debt that was now in
the freight of ships, the provisioning
and expeditions, undertaken
ice of the Empire, to which Ire.,
contribute its proportion.
,LO,R of the EXCHEQUER re.
and ],ustified his. former state.

'PHI EVENING STAR•

LONbON.

THURSDAY, JUNE 2.

PRICE OP STOCKS THIS PAY AT ONE O'CLOCK :
Consols money, 6si—ter July 690-omnlum 23 prem.
Exch. Bills, 43. to 6s. pre —lndia Bonds, par.

An American vessel from Charlestown passed Do-
ver yesterday evening just as the mail was setting off.
She is armed with 20 guns, and well manned. It is
therefore supposed, not only that the embargo has
been taken off, but that if she had met with any
French privateer that might have attempted to stop
her, she had orders to resist. Our correspondent had
it not in his power, owing to the lateness of the hour,
to ascertain thesz facts with any kind of certainty.

Government have this morning received intelli-
gence from Gibraltar, respecting the troops under
General SPENCER having sailed from Gibraltar for
Cadiz, on the 14th ult. and that this force was sent
in consequence of an understanding with the Spa-
niards in Cadiz.
It was this morning reported, that Government en-
tertain such strong expectations of obtaining the French
and Spanish Ships in Cadiz, that they have already
adopted measures for procuring seamen to navigate
them home.

GOTTENBU RGH MAIL.
A Mail arrived this day, bringing letters and
papers from Stockholm to the 20th, and from Got-
tenburgh to the 24th ult. inclusive. Our armament
was still at Gottenburgh when the Mail came away,
and some of the accounts state that they would not
proceed on service till the return of an Officer from
England with fresh instructions.
We are happy tp announce, that since the last ac-
counts, official details diorite fresh advantages gained
by the Swecles, have been published. For p,;articu-
lars we refer to the following extracts:
GOTTENBUItGH, MAY 24.
It is a little remarkable, that although we have
been a long time in pcoession of the convention for
the giving up Sweab.org to the Russians, no official
accour have yet reached us of its actual ,urrender,
which gives rise to various conjectures here.
The English expedition still rerriAins here. Colonel

Murray,'who has been to Stockholm making

mcnts with regard to its destination, retursied Tester-,
dir morning, and immediately embarked in a gun-
brlif6r England, it is said, for fresh orders. • In the
mean time, the ships are victualling for eight weeks.

ettliv4eet to any
. 71 of reducing the inter
gr. HUSKISSON re
tided the policy of mad
(es. which might, with
sipar by the operation o
eited expressly, that st
Sit Fund at present,
tht present year, the N
awing, would decrease
f'ilia of the Hozai
SirJOHN EWPO
Deland should pay any 1
piny, when it was excl
tde.
grar. lIIJSKISSON r
Union entitled to its
fairs was paid,
.a the of India ;
fxion was for the frei
• Majesty's squadrons
ke the general service c
was bound to coral
The tHANCELLO,
tied to Mr. TigtecEr, ;
ent•
it Sir JOHN NEWPO'
0 tom him, respecting In
t onto( slle 'debt due. to
Idr. TIERNEY cot
,di respect to his state
fliarisntg was, to say
Al alteration in the dis
xe 'shied it to remain