The Sun.
London, England, 1842-05-21 00:00:00

OUTRAGES IN TIPPERARY.

An TION:3IEMBER. wished to ask the Noble Lord, the-
Secretary of Ireland, whether he had received accounts
of certain outrages recently committed in the county of
Tipperary ; and if so, whether any, and what measures
would be taken by the Government respecting them ?
lord ELIOT said it was unhappily true that very
serious outrages had been recently committed in the
north of the county of Tiperarv. As the Hon. Gentleman
bad given him notice of his intention to ask the
question, he had prepared a short statement—a com-
parative statement of the number of outrages
committed in Tipperary in the first four months of 1841-
and the first four months of the present year. It ap-
peared that in 1841, during three months, there had
been 305, and in 1842 the number was 327, showing but
it small increase of the more serious offences. It
appeared there had heea a difference from nine to four.
Ile did not intend to deny that the district referred to
was in a very disturbed and unsatisfactory state—in a
state which unquestionably required the prompt atten-
tion of her Majesty's Government, That attention had
been paid to the subject. The police-force hitherto
stationed in the county amounted to no fewer than
800 men ; and to that number 100 more had been
way of reinforcement. There were seven
lately added by
Stipendiary Magistrates, and four more were stationed
in the vicinity of the disturbed districts. The whole
of the forces stationed there were under the com-
mand of .a distinguished and able officer,
perfectly competent to the task for which
he had been selected. He (Lord Eliot) trusted that
these measures would be sufficient to restore tranquillity
to the district in question, without its being necessary
fur the Government to apply to the House for any
new powers. There was only one other point to
which he would allude. He believed the atrocious crimes
now committed in Ireland might be traced to the
facility of procuring fire-arms ; and it had been re-
Intisented to him that the law in that respect
ass n10101(2;11. and that sonic amendment in it might
be necessary. Ile should net then pronounce any opinion
upiu that point ; he should inerrly say that
it e.as the only subject on which lie thought. it probable
that, the hone would be eallvd upon to legislate. Per-
haps he might be permitted to bear his te,timonv to
• the praiseworthy conduct of the Catholic Clergy in the
disalrected districts. They had denounced in the
strongest. manner the illegal societies in which
those crimes usually originated ; they ex-
horted • the people to abstain from all acts of
violence, to respect the law, and to obey it.—(Cries of
" Hear, hear.") He trusted that their exertions would
be attended with the success which they deserved, and
that that district of Tipperary would no longer afford
the painful contrast which it now presented to the state
of the other counties of Ireland.
BRIDPORT ELECTION.
Mr. B. COCHRAINE expressed a hope that on
Thursday the ;notion rtlative to the Ilridport Election
might he brought on at an early hour, and that the sub-
iket would not be again deferred till another day.
Mr. MITCHELL, on attempting to address. the
House, WO interrupted by lud aims- of " Order."
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The SPEAKER then put the question that he should /
leave the Chair previous to the House going into Com-
mittee of Supply ; and said that the Hon. Member would
then be in order in addressing the House.
Mr. MITCHELL said that if upon inquiry he should
find that Hon. Members who had notices of motions for
Thursday next would not give way, he should feel it his
duty to bring forward the subject of the Bridport Elec-
tion on Tuesday next, and to make his own statement
on the subject.

SUPPLY.
The House then went into Committee of Supply.
ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.
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Captain BOLDER() rose to bring the Ordnance
Estimates before the Committee, but owing to
the noise in the House, was for some time very
indistincq heard iu the gallery. •We under-
stood him to say, that a reduction of
59,0001. had taken place in the expenditure
since last year. A new source of expenditure had,
however, arisen since then, as it was necessary that
whatever steps might be taken by our opponents, we
should be enabled to adopt corresponding measures
to ensure success. It was his duty to call the attention
of the Committee to the unfortunate, melan-
choly, and disastrous intelligence that had
reached us from India. In consequence of that
intelligence, great additional expenditure had been
thrown upon the Ordnance department which had been
unlooked for, unexpected, and therefore unprovided for.
It was, therefore, his unpleasant duty to ask for
additional advances to cover the expenditure
necessary to meet the exigencies of the case.
In consequence of an event that occurred during the past
year, an event over which they had no control, he alluded
to the conflagration in the Tower, a heavy amount
was classed under the head of small arms.
By a vote of that House, it had been agreed
that the weapon placed in the hands of the
soldier, should be changed from',flint to percussion ; the
vote then taken amounted to 130,0001., a larger sum
than had been voted under that head by Par-
liament, from 1816 to 1840. Large as that sum
was, they were obliged now to ask an additional sum of
50,0001., or a sum in the whole of 180,000/. Had it not
been for the fire in the Tower, they should not
have had to ask for more than half of
the 50,0001. As he had touched upon the
tire in the Tower, he thought this would be a favour-
able opportunity for disabusing the public mind of the.
erroneous impressions that had prevailed as to the amount
of the loss. He had seen it stated at various sums,
from half a million to 250,0001. Perhaps it would be
some satisfaction to the Committee if he stated that the
whole amount of the loss to be provided for
by the public, scarcely exceeded the half of the
last sum he had mentioned, or 128.0001. At the
time of the fire, there were in the tower 94,520 stand of
arms ; about 4,000 were saved, and 12,000 were, before
the fire, in a useless state ; the number consumed wat-
-78,500. The building was in such a State previous to 6,
fire, that it would not have been prudent to repair it
the weight of the small arms in the upper story had
made the walls swerve-from the perpendicular, so that a
new building would have been preferable to repairing the
old one ; the value of the building, therefore, was
not put down at all. On the whole, that fire had thrown
an extra 50,0001. upon them. In the Commissariat De-
partment he asked 64,0001., which was double th
amount of last year, in consequence of the usu:
vote not being enough to cover the expenditur
An item of 7,000 L was put down in consequence of th,
birth of an heir to the Throne, which caused a Brevet ii
the Army and Navy. This was estimated for seven-
teen months, and he calculated that next year it
would be but 5,000/. The remaining votes wen'
divided into ten heads, and under three only was
there an increase, amounting only to 3,00 CL on the three.
In the civil service there was an increase amounting t,,
2,1691, but that increase arose from 1,3251., which was fin-
salaries on foreign stations, which had not hitherto beet:
borne in the estimate. The whole increase on the esti-

mate was 8001., which was caused by the increased
salaries for the civil service, in consequence of
length of time. The next vote was No. 4 ;
on that vote. there was an increase, but the
actual increase was only 861., that was causea
by the barrack-masters and servants at the Colo-
nial Barracks in Jamaica ; this vote was no,.n
included for the first in the Ordnance estimates.
In the next vote, which was No. 9, there was an increase,
but in all the items he had mentioned, there was not
a greater increase than 7,0001., and the diminution
in all the other estimates covered the increase by 50,0001.
In the vote for the Royal Engineers and Sappers and
Miners there was a diminution of 411/. In the next
vote for the Royal Artillery there was a decrease of 3,706/.
Although the effective force was the same as last year,
that diminution had arisen in consequence of the dif-
ferent arrangements he had made in pay . and clothing.
The expense of the Artillery academy at Woolwich had for-
merly been voted under four or five different heads, but it had
appeared to him much better that they should all be included
in one. The whole expense of the establishment was 15,082/.
There were contributions amounting to 14,585/, leaving to he
voted by Parliament the sum of 1,497/, less by 3,756/. than
the amount voted last year. On vote 5 there was a diminu-
tion of 7,616/. The diminution would have been 17,1601.,
had they not taken 9,0001. for the repair of the barracks in
Jamaica and in the Mauritius. In the 6th vote there was a
diminution of 16,714/., arising from the survey of Ireland
being nearly completed, and a less sum being required for
that object. In the 7th vote, which• was a very important
one, they had taken less for stores in the Tower 8,000/., less
for shot and shells, 24,000/. ; less for perishable articles.
such as bedding and furniture, .8,0001; less.for great coats
and other articles, 10,000/., , making a diminution, so
far, of 50,1841. Then there was an . increase iu
small sums of 50,0000, which would leave a balance
of 1841. in favour of the "public.. The vote No. 8 was
what was called an unprovided item. It was for 2,788/. for
the service of the Artillery. In this there was an increase of
751/. over the estimate of last 'year. Iri 'No.'lo. there was
also an increase, and the whole amount of the item was 29.4811.
for the service of the Commissariat. He had now gone
through all the votes in that department, and then he came to
(as we understood) the estimates for buildings and other
works, connected with the Ordnance, at home anti in the
colonies. The House was already acquainted with
all the circumstances of every item but one, and that
was the vote of 8,0001. for the two barracks in Jamaica, which
were thought necessary for the lodging of the men with their
wives, and for the protection of their health. There was also
an item of 3,953/. for the Artillery barracks at Kingston,
Upper Canada, which the Government thought it right to sanc-
tion on account of the unhealthy situation of the former bar-
racks. The next item regarded certain proposed improvements
for the gunnery practice at Woolwich, the space between the
batteries and the river at present being wholly inadequate, as it
gave no more than a range of 1,225 yards for the trial of guns
which were capable of throwing shells a distance of three miles.
The sole object he had in view was to promote and advance the
science of gunnery, and to render more effective this distin-
guished corps, which was the admiration of foreigners • at the
' same time that they were envied by all who had the good for-
tune to witness their evolutions. He should, therefore, move
that a sum of 121,000/. be voted for the service of her Majesty
for the civil establishments in the Tower and Pall. mall.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS thought it would be more satiscactory
to the Committee if the Hon. and Gallant Officer would state
what he thought would be the additional amount he should re-
quire for the service of his department, as extraordinary esti-
mates, so that some i 'ea might be formed as to the probable
total exprnditure for the year for the Ordnance Department.
He thought a great reduction might be made in the .bhriack
department. There were 87 barrack-masters and 17 deputy
storekeepers. Now he collie' not discover the utility
,of these
17 deputy storekeepers ; their salaries amount to 6.290/. ; and
he thought the whole of that sum might be saved. At Devon-
port there was one storekeeper and two deputies, while there
were only 5 clerks for these three officers to superintend. At
Sydney, New South Wales. there was a storekeeper, a deputy-
storekeeper, and also at Hobart Town. He was sure, from the
amount of stores at those places, that these deputy storekeepers
were unnecessary. He could not see why the barrack-masters
should not perform the duty of deputy storekeeper. A great
g savin would be effected, and no insecurity or inconvenience
result to the public service from adopting such a course. The
cost of the barracks in the colonies appeared to him extraordi-
nary, and to require investigation. By returns laid on the
table of the House, he found that from the year 1826, to the
present time, a sum of 1,528,0001. had been expended
on the barracks in the colonies. That was for a period of
between 15 and 16 'ears at the rate of 100,000/. a year, and
that, too, independent of barrack masters' expenses. *Although
great importance was attached to our trade with the colonies,
he was sure so large was the expenditure they entailed on us,
that were we to make the eolontes,a present of all the mer-
chandise that we send them, he doubted if we would be losers
by it, if they were to defray their own expenses. The Go-
vernment of Canada was infinitely cheaper than the United
States Government, because we entirely paid their expenses of
Government. .Now he thought that instead of thus being sad-
dlcd on the industry of this country, that they ought to main-
tain themselves, especially considering the monopoly that was
given to their produce. There was one item to which the
Hon. and Gallant Member had referred, upon which he (Mr.
Williams) wished some explanation, and this was respecting
the barracks at Manchester. No less than 62,000/. was wanted
for this item. He wished to know what the probable estimated
expenses of these barracks would be.
Capt. BOLDER() said, the Hon. Gentleman had alluded
to several items, but he (Capt. Boldero) would' confine him-
self to the observations connected with the deputy' store-
keepers. He would explain why the deputy storekeepers had
been appointed, and under what circumstances. They had
at present seventeen deputy store-keepers in the home and
colonial service—three in the home service, and fourteen in the
colonies. In the year 1821, in the various situations now held
by'deputy storekeepers, there were two individuals doing duty,
and the appellation applied
,to them was clerk of the survey and
clerk of the check. 'lt was thought in that year, that it
was desirable to abolish the office of clerk of the survey, and
clerk of the check, and to appoint in the place of these two,
one individual to do the duty of both. The duty per-
formed by the clerk of the check, was to attend to the
muster o, the men and to see that they attended drill.
The duty of the clerk of the survey, was to examine all the
stores brought into the di partment, and to superintend the
.issuing of the same ; these two gentlemen in this station, caused
an expenditure to the public.of 7,560/. a-year. By the change
a saving of 2,5601. a-year, was effected, and, in fact, the saving
was increased to the amount of 1,0001. a-year more, in conse-
quence of there being attached to the office the additional sta-
tions of Hobart Town, Sydney, and Sierra Leone. As to the
expense of the war in which they were engaged, he believed
the man was not born who could calculate what that expence
would be.

Lord A. LENNOX. wished to call the attention of his
Hon. and Gallant Friend, and of the Master-General
of the Ordnance, to a grievance which, though it
might appear trifling in itself, was yet felt as a considerable
d must be aware that officers in the army were al,
grievance by those who suffered from it. His Hon. and Gal-
lioatnyteci'l'r a iencertain quantity of fuel—coals and eandlee weekly,
but married men, who were obliged to live out of barracks-
were not entitled to draw those rations. Now he ( Lord A.
Lennox) cou.d not conceive on what principle that course was
pursued. He was sere his Hon. and Gallant Friend would not
say it was to prevent young officers marrying, or that, it it
was given to officers who were married, it would be expected
by the men ? He wished to know what course had been taken
with respect to libraries. fives Courts, and cricket grounds for
the amusement of soldiers, because he knew that many of the
men under him, for want of some relaxation, did nothing but
lie on the grass.
Captain BOLDERO said that the Board of Ordnance were
not respon.ible for issuing the orders by which fuel was given
to office, s ; all they had to do was to obey the orders that
were given. The object of the order was to prevent
officers living out of barracks ; and if they deviated from
the rule in respect to officers, there would .be no reason why
the married &Adler should not have the same privilege. If they
were to allow one f-pecies of
_harm:list/ore:, where were tt to