The Sun.
London, England, 1842-03-18 00:00:00

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of war—the know-
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the pane, the power,
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; and the power and
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rust, she ever will •
ration and justice
spirit in which
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course taken' by his
when he hail suc-
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after the cessation
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frfetred to the South Eastern list. As the railway went
41Edinburgh to Glasw, the Bill might with equal
so°,..,„Priety be referred tog ther the South Eastern or the
sev7ril,Ve.stern list, and as the South Western list had
sgt, 1111-18 under their consideration, and the South
tilt ra list none, it had been thought best to refer the
0.,:° the list which was least burdened with business.
trle inconvenience was likely to result if the Hon.
steoVlllaa'B proposition were not acceded to, he (Mr.
utart) was willing to acquiesce in it.
lzini°SWALD said a few words, which were quite
ble in the gallery.
to nt eMAtTLE was understood to approve of the
lis all)pted by the Hon. Member for Oxford.
14
,i-A-1301-TCHERE said he was much surprised at
at th,,'°n expressed by the Hon. Gentleman opposite,
11, 44 same time he had so much confidence in him, that
the_ not wish to set his Opinion in opposition to that of
t iff)
Ile: be r -;
but he must say that the House
to
resula
to be very cautious how they departed from gene-
C 1 might.be a precedent which woul
Lut,ittli many applications, not only from Scotland,ee_
otlu'r places,
64-qght and in many instances very d
made out for placing certain Members on
r '
tor, 4-AJCII thought the House Ought to consider be-
Ale: tlssented to the motion, as he conceived the Hon.
'ant. t's Proposition would be a very dangerous prece-
b Stran.
4414 "era. Were then ordered to withdraw, and the
'tie
when there appeared,
Aer the motion
Against it
kr a3ority for the motion —2l
IAIteIcINNON presented a petition from a so-
-1,()Oro/i41,..'uarylebone, stating that he had borfowed'tkersi
,'(ir the Parish of Marylebone from s were
London, who wished to change their securities.
the Hifir lgh Dbl
',NGTON presented a petition, signed by
duties
%.Iglia—eriff, and several merchants of the town
e
owje_eorliplaining of the difference betty een t
Lte ”.irteign grain and flour.
COMMITTEE—BOROUGH OF
The LEWES.
4gainit rlaittee for trying the merits of the petition
Vithe foe return for the borough of Lewes, consisting
c.Ellis-w,lrag Members, was sworn in : Mr. Aghonby,
bieji' 'LI% J. Neeld, Colonel Rawdon, Mr. Daly,
' and Mr. Charles Wood.
04 the WIGAN ELECTION.
ti cl4r. to dames of the following members being c
called
,pte Petri as a Select Committee, to try the merits of
L Lord Lincoln,
reeetlteir,n from Wigan—Mr.
Mr. Henry Kemble,
ll
lir•YileLn°r)r. Tufnell, Hon. James Kenneth
and Sir B. Hall,i as Chairman—the Hon. J. K.
„torT Was absent.
I,"'ke e„‘-r• SOMERSET moved that the clause in
'fr" 4i,"Q r sPecting' Election Committees be read.
'''''tt,eit4l--"a eWas then read by the Clerk. It was to the
"114;14! any Member not attending in his place, within
ttlittd p the meeting of the House, upon the day p_
t,, the nomination of the Committee on which
tutel4 -- serve, or having attended, shall have
Se tb°u before the Committee, as sworn un-
r4, tak-ee Petition be discharged, shall be ordered to
toth 1,1:111to the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms
t e-"j'Se
.Punished or censured as the House may 1-
Ist—ss it be verified on oath that such member was
Lfirrie sudden emergency prevented from attending.
4etsb;°. SOMERSET ,wished to know if any Hon.
4'14. could account for the Hon. Gentleman's ab-
preys
huPNELL trusted the Noble Lord would not
Gentle his He had no doubt that the Hon.
'''auldislnall was in the neighbourhood of the House, and
attendance immediately.
u. kx• SOMERSET begged to propose that the Hon.
b,Sek,,""p'd, having been appointed to serve as one of. the
igllti,'°lllreittee to try the returns of the borough of
44 llob-) aft having appeared in his place in the House
SE after the -sitting be taken into custody of the
talet-Arms.
to he
was carried.
the quenee of the absence of Sir JAMES HOWARD,
• h,4114 appointed to try the merits of the peti-
-orrew-. la case was not sworn until four o'clock
"' to-
-41.. CORN LAWS.
rile% ;11 -eiNISTOUN presented petitions from variou
` Scotland, praying fur the repeal of the Corn-
t, '4, T.,. REPEAL OF THE UNION.
1"4 -`IONT. MEMBER then presented a petition from
PraYing for a repeal of the Union between
t, and Ireland.
Nup
x„..,YLOUR IMPORTATION ACT.
o.ratio ""-L'XTZ presented a petition against the Flour
'4l Act. pres
n_
METROPOLITAN BRIDGES.
.4,146.&111N5T0N presented petitions froM the i
l)olirltt3.,_o! London; praying for the opening of the Me-
. 4 Bridges.
t,l)r jari„.„ CORN-LAWS.
`,l-tING presented several petitions, praying
-e total and immediate repeal of the Corn-laws.
Pereiri--'..RRAND resented POOR-LA
tweW dilve petitions from f
'kiili,ervarishes in the county of Stafford, in favour of the
kr mon Act.
,TOLVILLE presented forty petitions, signed by
farOU of 3,000 people, from places in Derbyshire, in
Ara}EePr the same Act, and another with the same
'4l.tlie-„l_nalli Warwickshire, signed by all the guardians
Poor.

„ ti. ~ COALS.
4 i ', -QUIT esented a etititohne fpreotintiotnheersGviinteLadl.
AittPing Company, stating that
alarm the proposed duty on coals.
4r CORN-LAWS.
(24,,• VILLIERS presenhteedN( cations from Barnard
L;t9,t,tl! ant dt other places in t
:I),aritvhs.of England, praying
.the al repeal of the Corn, 1
~
BREWERS- Wigan,
111. GREENALL presented a petitionfrom
g for a bill
).'i,i'ed by, 80 brewers, publicans, &c., p
:Orevent brewers' casks from being distrainedraya for their
I,kuners' rent.
lifizi;res,,G44olllsDlTCll presented a similar petition from
~ff , 1.4.,, I signed by 2,000 brewers, publicans, and
s ''.ll,4ta•fi'4 . CREASE IN THE ARMY.
• •liou:ll„,._' 'l. RUSSELL said, he understood the
' lue, retttis;',;4e other evening., that
IC'' 4 --.4rto P,et, at the head of her Majesty's Government,
probableß igahnt
” Lee
sats't the army might be reqlrieftudr,wtbhue:;hienfcoorumidatnioont
say
61" Y thing definite unti
know e received. He (Lord John Russelpwtihseheadmityo
L had b we
the determination to increase
een f
would h 10,:inally taken, and if so whether an estimate
Sir be uld on the table of the House.
: ,Avho'llittliie°toErßeT.inflo'reEEe Lthesaaidrinyh_el.nhaEdugcloannsdi,dearieidd
it
supplementary
estin;,_of course be necessary to p
kor,‘e betbre the House. He
_%.lite•iiaser.a)not able to say
1•111 the subject at present.—(l
~,?ti. tivy„ TRADE WITH CHINA.e
vrew atrod
the
ee
trademotion i
with
t7:44heiaielll; ah.tie:.ll)4(.7A gYivernosenotteiceb,rirneglatfoi
A's Ilis chief object bringing this subject
House, was to ienndteila,ocuoruntotryshwoNevre thatin.
itfii
,4nour and character o
.ittilet`i• in the full redemptionf ooff'-tulisy.hpiclhedgpelsedggievesn
the b.
11444,4 Elliot, on the fait
Of 4'411 luerchants delivered up theiri
tphraotptehrte3s•
vi,c;idlitear, hear.) He sincerely hoped that e. —p
(l
eCd r ig
ee ss
ttk, . her,
redeemed, as such a p
st,—
read ''‘uPrtauce to the country.
teeeivvery lengthy was of the ut-
i certain
Memberdedespatches
teens
It'"vhiiticito
tih3:eretheextracts frTaullecHerotna.
being.
noise
411 N k wail continued throughout
. NI •
i. ' krt:‘‘,,,,lt was impossible to hear a w
him-
tiinie ftrhoem India, but
Captain Elliot.n 31emberes
~ ' Cl}` gallery. They had from ord iHnouthsee Raild-
ivtt'ith:ule reasons for which that
.ransom-money
from the
had obtained
1 4nioni, "
~had been obtained ; he said that the six mil- Chine °L dollars which lie .
the ;se, were intended to be
: a th :(;) cos sustained
.Britishtw as compensationimn teerncdlieadnftotsor,
' 4 p,l:,lutry, or at all events that
'.han-t;' ill diminution of the claims olfeethdeedßtr(i)tirsehadmeexr:
'Nets- ;Dthe Hon. Member then
e!a°4l74'hs-itittZi the evidence takpenr°ebesfo
of the House of Commons 't4Plo' ,t° inquire into the op arpepoainteSde,lehienet
tittt re , the House to consider
t whethershoulttdrah idssealsin'eats., 0
na
Itll3, h,,Whell the British Govermen
1 4 NO : which would 1
~,,,,,,e
__ the ost remote effect
I, *4l(Puitulreds and thousands of
.
' *qe.-ettug upon its character or
peoplegmood fianithh.idiTa There
pledges given.
L hY Q lie brought to utter ruin if the
:, . r4,111,6,11tZ1),,,t4. iriAlitit,iiroet,x,nvreersesinnzothihsonourabaltyofantdhefaaiptphofiitnuty.
Member thanked
~I, oti stir Government. The .
'l' 41/ th:fhtSir Renryl'Pottinger, anadPHoPotrline.vr officers appointed
141. 14te'Claentleinen for the patience with which the had
Thursday,
:i4::,, , 4Aei)l/141i 1 t,,,t 111
shim,
louse
ed
wcoinuc,luupdoeandtiewnith the following
the 7 t h daymotion: o f
?if.,tho'it, resolve itself into a Committeethattoiscotnosisdaeyr,
NA ,-h4c,_llowing Address to her Majesty,
her Majesty,
''f' pia uutuble-Address be presented .
to
ously pleased to
it.til ,trte i'llt that her Majesty will be
ntitisht4ecnsideration the circumstances
of the British
`-,rown Irierchants and others, subjects
;81tiO4 („71d 011 the the 27th of March, on the requi-
i.icaeesmunder which the
1"NI
British Trade
:11 e4h7 captain Elliot, Superintendent 1:.
'ervi ;,.,4, surrender to the said Captt,a2no,E2Bll3iote,hfeosrtsthoef
ci,Pititnc "1 her Majesty's Government,
1,44 i', " the assurance of the said Captainm Elliot,
hilt
bu behalf of her Majesty's Gov
compensation
111, utu.,.l.,.esPonsible in the fullest and most un .
fnr 1, for the same, and further, that . res e rhv el dd
ub-
Jo,eierttist-,,,,,e,,aisuituhrey
firsusts;aoifnedthebydemhearnds.MaJeasdtey'sbysher
h ain (to enforce
1,411:18):•7 ',Pon the Government
rucineva,ll expedition was sent out),ef aCndtlhntehaGtovaersnummenotf
t'COV "hytug now been received from
leased vatie:Z, her Majesty will be iv
to ad-
on account
c't. their such British merchants and others,
ceivea f. respective losses to the extent ofthedesduumetirneg-
the amount'e the Chinese Government, after
re-
the ass aNvarded by her Majesty to the
make good
ille 4,re 11er Majesty that this house will
Sly
kheald —"CIRGE STAUNTON' said, he thou.gaht
few
Ivrd:,,ll°t be doing his dutif he did not 3
'thy 1-,-• upon the subject now before the House. If
hheelhvaads
ray bias on the subject when he was in China, he
gave
it 4,t, qPnsed to Capt. Elliot's measure—
iticn;', .suPPort whatever. Still he thoughhetn.et,hat /the
4u ."-G;‘.4 cpponents of the opium trade might take
e
llritii44',,late rum the course adopted of !, rarliarnent at the time
thei. w"YrY• The British Parliamenetfcotnhsidered that 110 t h '!e' indebted to the holders of the slaves,
I,ll:oelisiad: itialltreinteoipgiei:eli them 20,000,000/. ,sterling.dabb°:Uldi tpidooindn
who h:ta ''''' compen(sSaitrionmerchants
toStalluinostoenß) hriottehthe House
'uptan, -,splirrendered up so many chests of opium to
ttlypointe;', 110 t.
, The superintenders, of trade that were
t4ttn, ft}, . China acted up to instructioNa to
s'
44 two superintendents (Lord Napier and

• Mr. Davis) did not think it their iduty-to interfere at all
with the opium trade ; but Sir George Robinson: rather
encouraged the trade, yet no part of his conduct receive d
any reprobation. At length a different aspect of affairs
took place. In January, 1839, Capt. Elliot learnt that
the Chinese Government intended to enforce a prohibi-
tion ; under this state of things Capt. Elliot ordered sill
the ships in the harbour at Canton then engaged in the
opium trade, to sail away.. Capt. Elliot certainly
did not anticipate the violent act that was soon
after put in force by Mr. Commissioner Lin, nor
had he any right to anticipate such a proceeding,
He knew that there was no law then existing in China
by which those vessels . could be seized. He (Sir J.
Staunton) thought, therefore, that Captain Elliot could
not be blamed for not having forseen such conduct, here-
tofore unseen or unthought of in civilized countries.
Captain Elliot did, however, as a gallant officer,
when the time came, give every support in his power
to his countrymen in China, and in order to bring about
an arrangement with the Chinese Government, he gave
them a certain pledge, which, having -given, he (Sir G.
Staunton) thought he was bound to perform. The real
nature of the transaction of the 6,000,000 dollars re-
ceived from China would be understood from the papers
which her Majesty's Government had laid upon
the table. In clic of these . was given at once
the nature and character of the convention ; it
stated that.the money was received in diminution of the
jnst claim of her Majesty's Government.—(Hear,
hear.) Ile (Sir George Staunton) thought this money
was exactly a grant or- instahnent of the claim
which her Majesty's Government had upon the
Imperial Government. With this also the declara-
tion of the Chinese themselves agreed. He could
not, therefore, see the slightest - reason • why the
money should not be paid to those just claim-
ants who sought for compensation for the opium
they had given up at the request of Captain Elliot.
He thought the character of this country was at stake;
and, admitting its superior condition in China, this was
not the moment when the British Government should do
anything calculated to shake the opinion entertained of
its integrity. The losses sustained by British merchants
in Canton were of a serious , and extensive nature. He
would therefore feel much pleasure in seconding the
motion.

Sir GEORGE LARPENT said, that circumstanced
as he was, he could not content himself with giving a
silent vote upon the question. His Hon. Friend, the
Member for Sandwich had spoken of the manner in
which her, Majesty's subjects in China had been
treated ; and detailed at considerable length the manner

and circumstances under which they were ordered to
deliver up the opium in their possession. The merchants,
both British and foreign, were in a state of duress in
Canton. When they were called upon to give up their
property, they relied upon the good faith of the Bri-
tish Government ; and whether Captain Elliot had
authority or not, they delivered up the opium
under peculiar circumstances, and he conceived that
it was the imperative duty of the present Government
to see that the large sum of inoney.which had been
received should be allocated to the service and benefit of
those British merchants who had been sufferers in the
distressing affair. The present Government were
equally bound as the late Government to pre-
serve the good faith and honour of the country.
Ile trusted and hoped that as the British merchants who
had been sufferers in Canton had received an assurance
from the late Government, that they Would get even part
of the money which had been received ; and as the honour
of this country was at stake, he conceived the British
Parliament were called upon to settle the matter by allo-
cating at all events an instalment of that money to those
who had lost their property in Canton.
Sir CHARLES NAPIER said, after what had fallen
from his Hon. Friend, he would not trespass very long
upon the attention of the House, but he could not but
offer a few observations upon the subject. He did
not blame Captain Elliot for giving the offer, being, as
he was, in a state of starvation -; but the merchants had
no right to obey the order of Captain Elliot, nor had he,
being a prisoner, any right to give the order. Whatever
should be given to the opium dealers he hoped would not
be at the expense of the British officers and sailors serv-
ing in China.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, if
he could not agree with his Hon. Friend on this motion,
it was because he did not believe the honour of the
country was pledged to pay the opium dealers out of the
money received from the Chinese Government. The
Hon. Gentleman in his speech said that the honour of
the country was pledged to compensate the opium
dealers, but he did not say that they were to be paid out
of the fund now at the disposal of the Crown. That, however,
was the question. (The Right Hon. Gentleman then went on
to read extracts from speeches made by himself relative to the
origin of the war in China.) It was for the House to consider
whether out of the money received for the ransom of a certain
city in China it was their duty to satisfy certain claims, which
it was the object of this motion to confirm. At tie time of
Captain Elliot's offer, the British merchants were in fear of
their lives and property; being in this situation of danger,
Captain Elliot, with feelin!.,s which do him honou—(Hear
went, at the risk of his own life, into the situation in which
they were, and surrendered himself up to the probability of
captivity and danger. Under these circumstances, Capt. Elliot
gavel hem a pledge which the Hon. Gentleman said the Govern-
ment was obliged to abide by. In this he (the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer) could not agree ; and in making that
statement he thought he also expressed the opinions of the
late Government, or if he did not, on what ground was it that
when certain bills drawn by Captain Elliot, were presented at
the Treasury, they were not paid but protested ? The sum we
received from China did not come at the end of hos-
tilities, by way of compensation for
.injuries receive!, but it was
received during the mining on of the war for the ransoming
of a certain city in China, and certainly. could not Le 'made
available to satisfy the tlaims of the opium merchants Ile
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) thought, t hem no man could
say that there was anything like a breach of faith on the part
of the British Government, who had made no pledge to pay
the claims till the termination of the war. Upon these grounds
he did not think it expedient to accede to the motion of his
Hon. Fr:end. The motion was couched in terms too, which,
if he were disposed to cavil nt terms, lie should object to as not
properly expressing the facts f the case. Tl,ere was another
question also connected with the case which the House would
have to consider • it was whether they could depend upon the
assessed value Of the opium. He had seen in some of the
papers that certain merchants had valued their opium at
1,200 dollars a chest, and that others had valued theirs at 500
dollars a chest. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
thought that before allowing any compensation whatever, even
if it were admitted that compensation was due, that it should
be clearly and distinctly ascertained what was at the time of
the seizure the precise value of opium. These were the views
which he entertained on the question, and as such were his
opinions, he could not give his support to the propo.:ition of his
Bon. Frit nd. —( Hear. )
Lord PALMERSTON was not prepared to say that any
pledge had been given by her Majesty's late Government
in
obtain the money for the relief of British merchants I
Canton. Undoubtedly the pledge given was precisely as was
stated by the Right Hon. , Gentleman (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer), but though there was no positive pledge given,
her Majesty's present Government would be acting judiciously
and wisely, in his (Lord Palmerston's) opinion, by yielding to
the motion of the Hon. Member ( Mr. Lindsay.) The money
was of course to be paid into the Consolidated Funds ; this
was a sum of money recovered from China, anti certainly it
seemed to him ther9 was a wide distinction between advancing
money out of the funds of this country to the relief of British
merchants in Canton, and allocating money which was ob-
tained in that country to the relief of those parties who had
claims upon the Government in consequence of the sufferings
and the losses they had endured. He hoped her'llltijesty's
Government would therefore apply it in that way, as it would,
have the effect of .relieving a great deal of distress.
Mr. M. PHILIPS did not rise for the purpose of advocat-
ing the rights of British merchants in Canton, in consequence
of any interest he had with that country; but he thought it
extremely inexpedient at this moment that injuries should be
inflicted upon those merchants while means were in the power
of the Government and Parliament of this country to relieve
these injuries, particularly when it was recollected that they
were caused by an anxiety on the. part of British merchants
in that country to vindicate the Government of this country.
He contended that the property which had been given up was
not given up with the jurisdiction of the Chinese Government,
but it was in fact paid as a kind of ransom for the lives of Bri-
tish subjects which were in jeopardy. -
He wished, therefore,
for the honour of the British Government and the British em-
,sire, that the motion of the Hon. Member for Sandwich would
be acceded to, and that good faith would be kept with those
who had suffered those losses, relying upon the honour of
England.
After a few words from Sir G. LARPENT and the CHAN-
CELLOR of the Ex enxQuen,
Mr. JARDINE, who spoke in a very low tone, was under-
stood to say that it was of eo consequence from whom the Go-
verrinent received the money' they did get, and he certainly
thought it should be applied to indemnify the parties. He was
sure nn Hon. Member, whose desire was to do justice, could
lay his hand upon his heart and say that the expenses of the
war should be settled before these parties were compensated.
Mr. J. A. SMITH said, if he were to collect anything from
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, it was, that unless sufficient
money was received from the Chinese Government, not only to
compensate the merchants but to pay the cost of the expedition,
the cost of the expedition should be paid by the Government
before the claims of the merchants were satisfied. He must
say that he heard that announcement with very great regret ;
he believed it was the first time that a country ever admitted
that she undertook an expedition for the purpose of gain. He
could not sit down without expressing his regret at the terms
made use of by the Chancellor of the Exchequer relative to the
assumed value of the opium. He (Mr. A. Smith) believed that
the character of the opium merchants were of the highest order,
and that they had courted every inquiry ; he was sorry, there-
fore, that the Right Hon. Gentleman had made use of the
terms in which he indulged. is
The CHANCELLOR' of the EXCHEQUER briefly ex•
plained.
.;
Mr. J. A. SMITH replied.
Mr. WYNNE said he possessed no information upon; the
matter, except what he had received from the paper s before the
House. Fram them he should not consider :he claims to be
strictly legal, but still such as in point of equity were entitled
to the consideration of the House. With respect to the money
which had been paid by Captain Elliot under; the convention,
in his opinion Captain Elliot acted as the representative of
the British Government ; and it he made any agreement, or
any pledge, he thought they would be such as the country would
be bound to abide by. He admitted the claims of the fir itish
navy, and he thought that something should be allowed to them
in the shape of salvage. The question as to the remainder then
was, whether it should be applied to the expenses of the expe-
dition, or to the sufferers. This appeared to him to be rather
a question of time than a question of right; and he did feel
disposed to think that some advance should have been made to
the losers ; he thought it should not appear that the compen-
sation had been unnecessarily delayed. He had rather that this
motion were not pressed to a division, but that it should be left
to the further consideration of the House.
Sir ROBERT PEEL Said, in speaking on this subject,
his desire was not only to do justice to the merchants,
but also to those whose interests were too often neglected
in discussions in this House—the people of this country.
He hoped there was now -in the House a considerable majority
who had no interest in the opium trade, or the claims for the
losses in that trade, and who he was quite sure would form
their judgment upon the matter upon perfectly unbiassed prin-
ciples. The question was this--whether it was right and
proper, that having got a certain sum of money on account
of the ransom of this city, that that money should be ap-
plied to the redress of losses sustained by certain British
merchants ? The principle upon which the war was undertaken
was according to the only official statements which had been
made, and these were made by the Noble Lord opposite, who,
when asked what were the objects of the war, distinctly said
that there were two objeeti, first to claim reparation- for the
injuries offered to her Britannic Majesty's subjects_ by the

Chinese Government; and secondly, to obtain compensation
for the losses sustained by ►heir property having been taken
under the direction f the Chinese Government.—( Hear
hear.) If the British merchants had a right to
compensation? why not have the whole of the money
voted to them ? If that money was obtained for compensation
for losses sustained by British merchants, why not give the
whole 150,000/., or 2,000,000/., the puke of the opium? It
it was right to appropriate the whole of it to that purpose, why
not do so ? If it was a strict claim of equity and justice it cer-
taikly was as incumbent upon Parliament to vote the entire
2,000,000/. to the indemnification of the British merchants
who sustained losses in China, and then trust to the chance of
raising it from the Chinese Government. If they failed,
though he did not believe there was 'a possibility of failure,
then the loss would be of course sustained by the British Go-
vernment. It was said that Captain Elliot had pledged the
British Government to the application of the money to the
relief of the distress of the British merchants in China, but it
should be recollected that the late Government, by whom
Captain Elliot had been appointed at d sent to China, had
never recognised him—they act ually rat's( d to honour his bills,
and 'ejected them—upon the whole, lie ( Sir R. Peel) felt it
his duty, not having the slightest personal interest in the mat-
ter, to decline in the most positice terms to give his consent to
the motion of the lion. Gentleman.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL, who spoke in a very low tone of
voice, and was very inaudible throughout, was understood to
say, that if the claiws were allowed they ouOit logo to the full
extent of the loss. Many of the tbjectiobs of the Right Hon.
Baronet applied with considerable force, but he thought
these were equitable, and cught to be taken
into the considera ion of the Hume. One objec-
tion of the Right Hon. Gentleman was, that the value of
the opium could not be ascertained until the termination of the
war; but still, if the Government felt disposed, he (Lord J.
Russell) thought there was sufficient grounds for inve4itration.
If the Hon. Member who brought forward this motion could
obtain a pledge from her Majesty's Government to that effect,
he (Lord J. Russell) would advise him not to press the motioa
on the House ; but if he should do so, he should certainly feel
it to be his duty to support him.
Mr. LINDSAY, in reply, said, that he was much indebted
to the Noble Lord ,for the view he had taken of the subject;
and if her Majesty's Government would take the matter into
their consideration, he would not press his motion to a division.
Sir R. PEEL said, that his Hon. Friend trust exercise his
own discretion altogether. They had directed inquiries to be
made as to the value of the opium, but he could giire no pro-
mise to the Hon. Gentleman. He must, therefore, decide
himself whether he would take the sense of the House on
the subject.
Mr. LINDSAY intimated his intention of dividing the
House, and strangers were ordered to withdraw ; and the
House divided—
For the motion
Against it
Majority against the motion
LUNATIC ASYLUMS

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Lord GRENVILLE SOMERSET then rose to ask leave
to briag in a Bill to provide for the more effectual inspection of
houses licensed by the Magistrates in Quarter Sessions for the
reception of insane persons in England and Wales. After de-
tailing the motives which induced him to bring that measure
before the House, he said he did not intend to include the metro-
politan districts in the proposition he was about to make. He had
taken some pains to ascertain whether the system of visitation
in the country was effectual, and though he did not derive
much satisfactory information from the returns which
had bean laid on the table of the House, yet he was able to
state that the visits of the Magistrates, according to the pre-
sent system, were very irregular, and the whole responsibility
was entrusted to the mercy of the superintendents. He did
not wish to insinuate anything against the proprietors of li-
censed houses, for he was bound to say that he had seen as
much humanity and kindness evinced by them as could be
possibly evinced by himself or any of those Hon. Gentlemen
whom he addressed.—( Hear, hear.) He made no charge
whatever against the proprietors or against the superintendents
of those houses, but he was exceedinly anxious to see a regular
system of inspection carried out. He thought it would be
most desirable that some of the Commissioners acting
in London should be amongst those selected to in-
speet those houses throughout the country from time
to time. What he proposed to do was, to 'have two bar-
risters to inspect those houses, and instead of having the
Commissioners allowed to practise at their profession, as they
now were, that there should be Commissioners appointed who
should be required to dedicate the whole of their time to their
duties in London, and the other duties they would have to per-
form an the country, and that they should each be required,
once at least in every four months, to visit every licensed house
in the country. At those visit% he proposed that their atten-
tion should be paid to the parts which more particularly de-
manded investigation, and more especially the part as to the
fitness of the inmates to occupy a place in a madhouse. What
he proposed was, that instead of visiting every 14 days
for three visits, the third visit should be left out, and that
after two visits, with an interval of 14 days between them, the
patient should be let out as soon as the Commissioners thought fit.
13arristers should also be appointed in the country houses, to
examine every path nt previous to his admission. He be-
lieved these regulations would have very many beneficial results ,
they would tend first to prevent persons being improperly kept
in the asylum, and they would prevent persons being impro-
perly admitted. He had considered it desirable to adopt some
measure more stringent than those at present in force to
prevent the admission of improper persons into the asylums ;
but he entertained the opinion now, that though there were a
few cases where parties wished to send their relatives improperly
to a lunatic asylum, yet, as he believed there were very few in-
stances of that sort, and as he should be sorry to add anything
to the present expenses of the establishment, it was with
some regret, therefore, that he had come to the conclu-
sion, that the certificates should be left as they now
were, without any additional signatures being required.
It seemed to him that he should gain very little also by laying
down any rule as to the rank and standing of medical gentlemen
who should alone have the power of granting certificates. He
did not now attempt to regulate the management of those insane
persons who were confined in the single houses of private indi-
viduals. They were left to the care of persons over whom
there was no supervision, and no doubt they suffered much
more than other insane persons—( Hear, hear)—and he should
therefore feel much pleasure in introducing some measure on
that subject ;. but he remembered, that on a previous occasion,
after a due consideration of the subject, it was thought inadvis-
ab!e to attempt to interfere with the management of those un-
fortunate persons who were confined in private houses. (The
Noble Lord here lowered his voice so much as to be .
quite inaudible for £0(110 time. ) Neither did he attempt to •
interfere with the public asylums—by them he meant Bedlam,
St. Luke's, and the other establishments of that kind; he be-
lieved they were generally conducted very is ell. —( Hear. )
In proposing this measure, he did not do all that he could du,
or all that could be done ; but he did think what he proposed
would be accompanied with very beneficial results, and would
lead to a broader and more comprehensive legislation on the
silkiest. Ile should wish to see the plan proposed by the Noble
Lord (Lyndhurst) in tire other House discussed previous to
forming an amalgamation (as we understood) with his (Lord
G. Somerset's) plan, because he believed that, from a combi-
nation of the •wo, a more perfect system might be effected. He
did not think it was rissessary to trouble the House any further
on the subject. He had before admitted that he did not think
the measure went so far as he could wish, but still it would be
a great step towards perfect legislation.
Mr. WAKLEY commenced by thanking the Noble Lord
who had just sat down for having turned his attention to this
subject, but he did not think the measure he proposed was suf-
ficiently comprehensive. He would beg to draw the attention
of the House to the different systsnis of managing insane per •
sons adopted in England, Ireland, and Scotland. In Scotland
there was one system, in Ireland there was another, and in Eng-
land there were several, but the whole of them were very defec-
tive. The proposal of the Noble Lord was b. iefly this :—That
there should be appointed two Commissioners to visit the li-
censed houses out of the metropolitan district. Now, what
was a lunatic asylum ? It was an hospital appointed to receive
patients afflicted wills the worst of diseases; and what did the
Noble Lord propose to do? actually to appoint two barristers,
two legal men, to superintend the medical condition of the in-
mates of these asylums. Ile was sure the Noble Lord did not
mean any slight upon the medical profession, but this certainly
did look very like it. Did the Noble Lord know that the
recovery of these patients depended entirely upon the
treatment they received? The Noble Lord said that he
did not propose to meddle with the public asylums. He
(Mr. Wakley 1 thought the Noble Lord's measure was not suf-
ficieetly comprehensive. He did, therefore, pray the Noble
Lord to postpone the second reading of his Bill till some futur.,
date, and in the meantime he would undertake to lay reports
of ail the lunatic asylums before the House; he would also
thoroughly analize the reports of the Commissioners, and he
thought he should nut be doing his duty if he did not assist
Government to appoint a Commission fully to inquire into
every circumstance connected with the management and con-
duct of these asylums. In his visitation plan the Noble Lord's
measure tea. also defective. But he (Mr. W.) would not now
detain the House, as he meant to introduce the subject in all
its details after the Easter recess, until which time he hoped
the Noble Lord would postpone his motion for the second
reading of the Bid,

1111'.-H AWES also wished for postponement, fur it was ad-
visable, and indeed necessary, to introduce a more comprehen-
sive measure. Even the efficiency of the keepers and the
salaries of the Commissioners required a great deal of con-
sideration.

Lord ASHLEY had no objection that the Hon. Member
for Finsbury should direct his vigorous attacks against the
Metropolitan Commission. Certainly he (Lord Ashley)
could wish that the measure had gone further—( Hear t—but
still great benefit would be effected by the Bill of his Nobla Friend
in the very defective system that now prevailed in the manage-
ment of lunatic asylums in the provinces, particularly in visita-
tion, whereby the Commissioners could carry out the object of
the Act, and prevent persons who had been discharged from a
London asylum from being incarcerated in a country lunatic
establishment, for the Bill would establish a perfect record of
every such house. Ile thought also a controlling suggestive
visiting commission would-be much better than a medical one.
In the first place, the House could not introduce an uniform
curative process into al! country establishments. It would be
imliossible for them to irsist upon the introduction of the non-
coercive system, for the expense would be so great,
that the House would have no right to impose it, be-

persons s otnhse opfriv‘a,teery lunaticelatopuitsaels, werectboney-
cdauucsteed manybyd
were screwed down to the lowest amount of remu-
neration for the inmates they took in.— ( Hear, hear.)
Further the House bad not yet sufficient experience of the
non-coercive system, though he (Lord Ashley) would admit
that very great good had been derived from it. As to the supe-
riority of medical men in deciding the question of sanity, he had
reason to think that a person of common senser.wasiust, as good
a judge of the presence of sanity er insanity as a medical man.
But it was more easy to get medical men in the country than
barristers, while a knowledge of the law was most
important to a Commissioner; therefore he thought
it better that the Commissioners should he lawyers, with
power to call in a doctor when they wanted him.
The law was to beipplitable to a whole country ; and in many
thinly-peopled districts they must not only content themselves
with one medical man, but must take him as they found him.
He alluded to the great inconsistency of the present prac-
tice with regard to lunatics. In some places the facilities
of incarceration being very great, and in others mailmen
were to be found walking about in all directions.—(A laugh.)
He was glad that he had heard the objections that had been
made to the Bill, as they had convinced him they were not
of extraordinary force. '1 hey would also have the effect of
directing public attention to the subject, and that would
strengthen the hand of those who would have the administra-
tion of the law.
Mr. C. W. WYNN was much disposed fo agree with the
views of the Hon. Member for Lambeth, with respect to
the Bill; but it ought to go much further. He supported the
Bill un general grounds, as it was now more than thirty years
since the Legislature had passed the law empowering counties
to join in the management of lunatics, and the state of the law
was now imperfect.
Lord G. SOMERSET replied. He proposed the Bill, in
hopes it would lead to something further. It especially pro-
vided that the legal gentleman conducting the inquiry should
be accompanied by a medical gentleman, without whose
concurrence he could not act. For the informa-
tion of the Honourable Member for Finsbury, he
intended to take the second reading before Easter ; he
should proceed with it a short time after Easter, and he would
take care that all interested in the discussion should have due
notice of it. He was riamiop the Bill should pass as speedily
as possible.
After a few words from M. B. FIAWES in es planation,
leave was given to bring in the 13i11.

• THE BISHOP OF JERUSALEM.
' Dr. BOWRING begged- to postpone till after Easter the
motion of which he bad given notice for the correspondence
respecting the e,tablishment of an English Bishop at Jerusalem.
Motion withdrawn. • •

GILBERT UNIONS.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented two petitions, praying
that the Gilbert Unions might he etempted from the opera-
-11 Lion of the Poor-law Amendment Act.
1 Mr. S. W ORTLEY'' presented several petitions to the
same effect from places in the West Riding of Yorkshire.
Mr. T. DUNCOMI3E rose, pursuant to notice, to move for
a Select Committee to inquire into the administration of re-
' lief to .the poor in parishes incorporated under Gilbert's Art,
or subject to the provisiens of any Local Act, and to report
whether it would be expedient or just to repeal those Acts for
the purpose of substituting in lieu thereof the Poor-law Amend-
ment Act." He felt that the proposition which he begged to
submit to the Howe was of so reasonable a nature, that he
need not occupy for any length of time the attent:on of the
Hon. Gentlemen in convincing them of its justice. In endeas:
assuring to give effect to the petitions . preiented that
night by the lion.' Member• for the West Riding or Yorkshire
(Mr. 'l'. l)uncombe), and several other petitions, presented
( Mr. S. Wortley), as well' a, those presented by lin-itself
by various Hon. Members; in favour of the present motion,
he might, perhaps, be allowed to remind the House of the
state of the question at the time the new Poor-law Amendment
A et was pase d in 1834,-t Loud cries of " Hear,
hear.") When Lord Ahhorp introduced that Bill to the
House, great apprehensions were felt that those parishes subject
to Local Acts and the Gilbert Incorporation, would be affec,ed
by the measure. The then Hon. Member for Marylebone in-
quired of that Noble Lord whether the proposed measure would
interfere with those Local Acts. Lord Althorp, in reply,
stated that the Commissioners would not interfere with those
parishes which were well regulated, and that he hoped that they
is ould fellow the example of sorb parishes. The Noble Lord
lantillsd the wish which he had expressed on that occasion to
the letter, for in tho 32nd clause of the New Poor -law
Amendment Act, it was stated that no dissolution of, or altera-
tion in those parishes, should take place unless two-thirds of the
majority of the guardians should require such alteration or dis-
solution. There was a guarantee, a compactesstered into by Par-
liament with regard to those parishes and incorporations under
Local Acts. if that clause hau not been insisted on, if that provi-
sion hal not been made, Hon. Gentlemen were well *ware that
there would have been such an opposition to the Poor-law
Amendment Act as would have rendered it very difficult for
the Government to pass that measure. The Poor-law Com-
missioners had induced, after that, several of those incorpora-
tions to dissolve their unions; nevertheless, there still re-
mained a great number, in which the guardians felt persuaded
of the superiority of their system to that of the Poor-law
Amendment Act for administering relief to the poor. The
two last measures introduced to the House, for the pur-
poie of amending the Poor-law, proposed to give power
to 'the Poor-jaw Cemmissioners to dissolve those Gil-
bert corporporations wlthout.the consent of the guardians.
On this subject he (Mr. D.) some time ago put a question to
the Right Hon.. Gentleman opposite, but the Right Hon.
Gentleman thought fitto remain silent on the point. If the
object with respect . to those incorporated parishes of the mea-
sures for amending the Poor. law were carried out, a gross
breach of faith with those Incorporation would be committed.
That was one reason why the House should consent to the in-
quiry. 1 here was another reason. When the Committee on
the Poor-law was sitting up stairs, in the year 1838, lie (Mr.
D.) moved, in consequence of the aspersions thrown out '
against Mr. Gilbert's incorporations by the Commissioners,
that it be an instruction to the Committee to inquire into the
accuracy of a p,,rtion of the report of the Poor-law Commis-
sioners, which had reference to the vicious system
said to prevail in the incorporations formed under
Gilbert's Act, and report thereon to the House.—( Hear. )
Among other charges brought in their Report, by the Com-
missioners against the guardians, was one to the effe, t that
the guardians received various sums of money, varying from
51. to so high as 201. for their services. He (Jr. D. )denied
that they received one shilling. In moving that that instruc-
tion to which lie had eluded should be given to the Committee,
he had pointed cut the necessity of the inquiry not being con-
fined to the assistants of the Commissioners, but that practical
men of unprejudiced minds should be examined. The Chair-
man of the Committee concurred in what he (Mr. D.) there
stated as being necessary, and yet what had been done?
Though he had had a great number of witnesses. to
disprove the statements of the Commissioners, not one of
them was examined, and the Report was drawn up without
hearing any of them. Now, with respect to the objections
entertained towards the Gilbert Unions, he (Mr. D.) was au-
thorised to state, on the part of the guardians, that if; at a fair
inquiry before a Committee, it was proved to them that their
system was inferior to that going to be introduced by the
Poor-law Amentiwent Act, they would immediately consent
to the dissolution of those incorporations. Could any thing be
fair than that? The Hon. Gentleman then read a letter from
the Rev. Mr. Bathurst, who was connected with those ineor-
' perations, calling for such an inquiry, and then went on to
ask if the advocates of the system proposed by the
Poet-slay/Amendment Act feared this inquiry. Did they fear
a comparison with those incorporations? He was sure it would
be found that more economy and advantage in every point of
view would result from the operation of the system pre-
veiling in the incorporations than from that of any other.
He telt sere that the House would grant him an inquiry and
hear those parties before it adopted a Bill of pains and penal-
ties.—( Hear, hear.)
Captain PECHELL rose to second the motion. The Hon.
Member who had just sat down had shown the exact position in
which the Gilbert Unions stood with respect to the present
Poor-laws. He believed that if the evidence which had been
given before the Committee in 1838 hadbeen duly weighed they
would never have heard of a proposal to subject those unions to
the power of the Poor-law Commissioners. The inquiry was asked
on the most reasonable grounds. Charges of the grossest kind'
had been made against the guardians of these incorporations,
anti as there were three millions of the population of this coun-
try who were subject to their influence, it was of the greatest
importance that they should be rebutted. 'The guardians had
bee naccusea of peculation, of ionorance, and of prejudice. They
demanded inquiry into these charges. Mr. Hawley stated that
the conduct of the guardians was marked by extreme partiality,
and that many of them were unable-to write. Now he could
state, from his own knowledge, that in the county of Sussex
there were nineteen guardians, who represented property of the
yearly valve of 14,000/. . He thought that- was a sufficient an-
swer to the- charge. It was stated that they afforded a mis-
chievous example to the guardians of other un:one. Now, '
these unions were subjected to the provisions of the New Poor-
law, as far as was Consistent with the operation of the Gilbert
Act, but they were not subject to the uncontrolled influence of
the Poor-law Commissioners. Was it a mischievous example,
for the governor of the workhouse to make a distinction between•
old persons, who bad fallen into misfortune without any fault
on their' own part, and other claimants for relief ? Was it
Mischievous that the guardians ,should take into consideration
the conduct of the persons to be relieved? Was it mischievous
that the inmates of the workhouse should be permitted, under
the 22d of Geo. 111., to attend church on Sunday to hear
divine service? Was it mischievous that they shouldbe fed
upon a different diet—that they should be allowed good and
wholesome beer, ? (Hear, hear.) He had 1.0 hesitation in
a resist
saying that he had' advised the guardians to abide by certain
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alleged against the guardians that they had acted illegally in
selling goods to the poor. If that charge were true, it was equal
to the truck system. Now what was the fact? He had made
inquiry in Sussex, and found that one of the guardians was in
the habit of laying in a stock of .fuel, and allowing the poor to
purchase it, during the winter, at half price.--( Hear, hear.)
Then it had been stated in evidence by Mr. Hawley, that the
guardians of these unions were in the habit of receiving salaries
of from 251. to 351. a year. Now it should be borne in mind
that, according to the late Act, a guardian might be tined Si. if
he did not attend in the course of the month, and that he would
thus, in case of non-attendance, be called on to pay 60/. a-year.
He was convinced that, if the evidence was gone into before the
Committee the charge would be proved to be most unwarrantable.
No petitions had been presented against the Gilbert Unions,
anti he had therefore reason to think, that they had given
general satisfaction. He believed that if the Commissioners
were allowed to interfere with them the guardians in those
unions would resign, and: he responsibility of the conse-
quences would rest with the Government.
Sir J. GRAHAM said thatt here was no motion so specious
as that which asked for a Parliamentary inquiry ; and it
frequently happened that it was a very convenient course for
Government itself to adopt, and if a sense of public duty would
allow hint, it was one of. those things which the Executive
Government could not object to init s own nature. Under the
cover of such a Committee it would be easy for the Executive
to propose a short Bill on the subject, and again pass 'over the
subject to the next session; But there eas a, great principle
involved—the relief of the poor of the country ; and after the
announcement of her Majesty's Government to bring the
subject forward, be could not acquiesce in the motion
of the Hon. Gentleman. He had distinctly notified to the
House on the part of her Majesty's Government that on an
early day after Easter it would be his duty to submit a measure,
not only to continue the Poor-law Commission, but also to
make such alterations in the law for the relief of the poor as, in
their deliberate judgment and experience, they may be justi-
fied in bringing forward ; and that being the case, 'his sense of
duty compelled him to resist the temptation of entering into
discussion then. It would be unwise, in his opinion, to enter
upien the consideration of such an-important subject then, and
he thought it would be only wasting the time of the House.
The Hon. Gentleman did not even think fit to confine him-
self to the cetisid, ration of the subject as it stood at present, but
he went back to the discussion that took place at the latter end
of last. Parliament. That was not the time to
enter. :into the disco sion of the quest ion.---(-Cheers. )
But at- the same time there were sonic matters to which
he should refer. The lion. Gentleman who introduced the.
motion, referred to the statement of a single individual, to show
that it was not the intention of the framers of the Poor-law
Act to incorporate the Gilbert Unions under the general law ;
but he (Sir J. Graham) was aware that, in the first part of
the Bill, a direct provision was introduced for the purpose of
repealing the Gilbert Unions, but subsequent alterations toek
place, and though .a direst repeal was avoided at that time, if
any person looked to the 15th clause of the Act as it now stood,
and also the 2d clause, and loot:ire; also to the interpretation
clause.. and the opinion of the late Attorney-General, he
thought there could notbe a doubt that there was a virtual repeal.
The Hon. Gentleman also said that there were 3,000,000
persons living under the , administration of the Gilbert
Unions, but what were the real facts ? Since the passing of the
Poor-law Act fifty-five of those Unions had agreed to come
under the operation of the general law—( Hear, hear)—and
those fifty-five Unions contained to less than 715 parishes ;
and there was one remarkable circumstance
connected with
them which was that at the passing of the Poor-law Act
those Gilbert Unions owed 39,000/.-
, but since they came
under the operation of the law they paid
up about 20,000/.,
or more than half the debt.—( Heals) There were only twelve
Unions remaining under the operation of Gilbert's Act, and
they existed
' in only nine counties, and those 12 unions con-
tained 394 parishes, and a population of 156,000. These
unions owed a debt of 5,457/. at the passing of the Poor-law
Act, and they paid only 1,4001. out of that sum.—( Hear. )
The Hon. Gentleman talked lightly of the geographical
defects under which these unions existed, but he could state
of their scattered position and
that in consequence n many great
inconveniences arose.—(Hear, hear.) There were other dis-
advantages resulting from the mere incorporation of these
unions, one of which was that they refused to admit
the benefits of the Veccination Act passed during last
session, the power of introducing which was placed in the
hands of the board of guardians. What he was
about to state on this subject was on the authority of Mr. Park,
a person who was well qualified to speak on the subject. He
stated, that in the first quarter of the operation of the Act, 608
persons died of small-pox ; in the second quarter, 252 ; in the
third quarter, ending October the 3d, 128 ; and in the fourth
quarter, ending the Ist of January. 1842, only 68. That was
' the result of one year since the in of the vaccination
system ; but that most salutary system was not introduced into
the Gilbert Unions.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman had
talked of the excellent management. of the Brighton Union, but
did not the Hon. Gentleman ever hear of 241. being paid for
the purchase of a Court dress, to present an address to her
Majesty on the birth of the Princess Royal ?--( Laughter. )
Did the Gallant Officer never hear of the Brighton lututhes ?
—(Laughter.) Did he never hear of the charges for cigars ?
—( Great laughter.) However, 'the right time to-go into the
discussion of these matters would be:1.71,
,T., -men the Government
brought forward the measere•—k rlear, hear.) With respect
to the Gilbert Unions, whatever might be done should be done
on the resposibility of her Majesty's
Ministers and front that
responsibility he would not shrink.—( Hear, hear.) He thought

that the inquiry sought for was premature, and he for one
would oppose the motion.—( Hear, hear. )
Capt. I'ECHELL, in explanation, said, that although those
abu.es alluded to by the Right Hon. Baronet might have
existed, the people in vestry had put them down, and did not
want the control of the Poor-law Commissioners.
Mr. WAKLEY admi ted that this was not a proper
time to enter into the general merits of the Poor-laws.
Ner was it necessary, for the purpose of his Honour-
able Friend. The simple question was, were the Local
Acts to remain in force, or it it were a wish for the parish-
ioners to retain them, was that wish to be respected ?
( Hear, hear.) He did not know what the intention
of the late Administration were, but he knew that they had
struck out some of tee most monstrous clauses of this odious
law.—( Hear, hear.) Since the last measure was proposed
there had been a change of the Government, and he was one
of those who was not sorry to see it.—( Cheers and laughter.)
The members of the Government who had introduced the
Poor-law Amendment Act were not now in the House, and
he was glad to see that they were seared out of the:r own mea-
sure.—(Cheers and laughter. ) lie held in his hand a record of
the opinions of the Noble Lord the Member for London, of the
Right lion. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government,
and of the Attorney-General, l‘ o could not be supposed to have
changed his opinions because he had changed his seat in that
House. hat Hun. and Learned Gentleman said that when
the Poor law Bill was passed, there was a general understand-
ing in the House that all Local Acts ,should remain uninter-
fered with, and that the parishes regulated by those Acts
should not be under the control of the Poor-law Commissioners.
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that it was ridiculous
to suppose that any such thing was contemplated. Now he
(Mr. W.) would not read the whole of the Right Hon. Ba-
ront's (Sir R. Peel's) speech, but the Right Hon. Baronet said
that when he found whose masses of the people well-governed
under their Local lies, he did not think it expedient to place
them under the control of the Commissieners. The Noble
Lord the Member for l.iverpool expressed his hope on the same
occa,ion that those who were under Local Acts would not be
interfere wits . The Noble Lord, the Member for London, had
said that the purport of the clause at that time under discus-
sion was, that no further interference with the Local Acts should
occur than what had occurred already. Now, the Local Acts
had remained untouched since that time, and who were now
going to interfere with them ?—( Hear, hear.) Why
the present Administration. He had expected
that the severities of the law would be mitigated, and that the
guardians would obtain a greater control over their own funds.
—( Hear, hear.) He had expected that the change would be
for the better, and he had contributed to produce it.—(Great
laughter and cheers.) Yes, he had—(Renewed laughter)—
and he should have to go home to a bed of repentance.—
(Great Laughter.) What was going to be done? All those
parishes were to be given up to the Commissioners.—( Hear.)
Did the Right Hon. Baronet think that the people would be
better satisfied with this under a Tory than under a Whig
Government ? The understanding last session was that these
LOcal Unions should not be touched by the Bill introduced into
the House last session. The Gilbert Unions were not to have
been broken up and destroyed under that Bill without the
consent of two-thirds of the guardians, but in the Bill of this
sesssion—

Sir JAMES GRAHAM—The. Hon. Gentleman has not
seen the Bill.

Mr. WAKLEY knew he had not. The Right lion. Gen-
tleman had taken precious good care that he should not see it.
lie (Mr. \Vakley) did not like these secret modes of proceed-
ing. The ancient and constitutional practice was to grant no
supplies until a redress of grievances had been granted, and it
was a most wholesome practice, for when Governments had got
the money they were apt to be very saucy. They were now in
the month of March. The Poor-law Bill was not to be intro-
duced until after Easter. The Poor-law Commission
would expire in July, and what time, he would ask, could
they have to consider the subject. The Right Ho-
nourable Baronet no doubt had had his Bill pre-
pared for a considerable time, and after all that had taken
place in reference to the Poor-law Bill, he had thought that
that Bill would have been among the first which the Right
Hon. Baronet would have laid on the table of the House ; and
after the objections which had been urged against any inter-
ference with these local incorporations, and the intense anxiety
entertained on the subject, he was sure that if the Right Hon.
Gentleman could have said that these Local Acts were not to be
interfered with, he would have been too glad to have said so.
. her,' were the parishes of M arylebone, St. James's, Islington,
and St. Luke's, containing upwards of 60,000 inhabitants each,
all governed by Local Acts, and it was preposterous to call this
a free Government, if the government of these parishes was to
be taken out of the hands of the rate-payers and conferred on
the Poor-law Commissioners. He called upon those
Hon. Gentlemen opposite, who had assisted so nobly in fight-
ing the battles of the people when the question of the Poor-
law was under consideration last session—(Cheers)—to main-
their principles now--(Cheers)—to redeem the pledges which
they had given—(Loud cheers)—and to uphold their high
station.—(Continued cheers.) He regretted not to see that
energetic Gentleman, the Member for Knareshorough, in his
place. —( Loud Opposition cheers.) It was of no use for Hon.
Gentlemen to make spirited speeches, if they did not fight the
battle of the people, when the battle was to be fought. —( Loud
cheers. ) He entreated the Right Hon. Gentleman to consider
the state of anxiety and suspense in which the inhabitants of
places under these Local Acts were placed, and to relieve
their anxiety by at once declaring what his intentions were in
regard to these local incorporations.
Mr. COLVILLE had listened with regret to the speech of
the Right Hon. Baronet, the Secretary for the Home Depart-
ment. They sought inquiry into the management of the
Gilbert Unions, but they wished that inquiry to be made by a
Committee of the House of Commons, and not by the Poor-
law Commissioners. On another point, also, he agreed with
the Right Hon. Baronet, namely, that the paupers of Brighton
were better fed under the Gilbert Act than under the new
Poor-law.-4" Hear, hear,". from Capt. Pechell.) He begged
to express his obligations to the Hon. Member who had
brought :forward this motion, for the able and gallant
manner in which he had defended the rights of the poor of
this country. Ile thought that the Right Hon. Baronet at
the head of the Home Department had not treated those inte-
rested in the preservation of the Gilbert Unions with that
courtesy which they deserved. He had been four times ap-
plied to to take the intentions of the Government in regard to
those unions, and he had thought it fit to maintain that dig-
nified silence which, although convenient to him, was death to
them. lie considered that silence as most ominous. It was the
intention evidently of Goverment to keep them in ignorance
of their intentions in order to attack them unawares, and to de.
stray them. That was not a manly course to pursue—
( Cheers)—and morever it was not a course he had expected
to have seen pursued by a Conservative Governinent.—
( Loud Opposition cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet had
said on a former occasion that inquiry ought to precede le-
gislation, and acting on that principle lie hoped if the Go-
vernment refused inquiry they would not legislate, and that
was all they wanted. He hoped the Hon. Member would
press his motion to a division. He could have wished that
he had added to it a motion for inquiry into the manner in
which the dissolution of those Gilbert Unions which had vo-
luntarily dissolved themselves had been brought about.
If such an iinquiry were instituted, facts would be elicited of
such a nature as would astonish some Hon. Gentlemen.
Mr. R. YORKE was afiaid that the forthcoming measure
of the Government would not show a proper consideration for
that large class of poor who were poor through the inevitable
force of circumstances, and not from any fault of their own.
He should support the motion.
Mr. LIDDELL said, he thought the Hon. Member for
South Derbyshire might have applied his concluding words to
his own speech, when he condemned the proposition of the Go-
sernment before he had heard it. He (Mr. Liddell) enter-
tained better hopes of the forthcoming measure of the Govern-
mei.t. He felt most strongly the argument that had been urged
by the Hon. Member for kinsbury. f his was not so much a
question of inquiry in that House, as it was a question of prin-
ciple, whether or not the guardians should have the manage-
ment of the poor. He had known, of his own knowledge,
much injustice inflicted on the poor under the present system.
—(Cheers from the Opposition.) Although he had
as yet been unsuccessful In his opposition, he would never
be found wanting in his place in Parliament
to do justice to those to whom justice was due. He would
therefore not refuse to give his vote with the Hon. Gentleman
opposire (Mr. Wakley), for this distinct reason, that although
it was easy to make an excuse in that House for declining to
vote, yet when he had given a pledge to the people of England,
please God lie would never be found wanting.—(Cheers. )
Having endeavoured to explain the vote he intended to give.
he must say with some pain to himself, against the Secretary of
Sate for the Home Department, he would give all credit to
the Government for their intention in the proposed remedy to
be applied to the grievances particularly complained of. He
hoped the country would not be disappointed in that measure.
He should give his vote to the motion of the Hon. Member for
Finsbury.
Mr. HARDY said the Members who opposed the Poor-law
Bill had been appealed to by the lion. Member for Finsbury,
and he (Mr. Hardy) would say that nothing could give so
much satisfaction to his mind as his opposition to that law.
He could not say if alteration had been needed in the South
of England, but it was found by those who had the management
of the relief of the poor in the northern counties that the con-
sequences which had been expected had followed the adoption
of this measure. The object of a Poor-law was to relieve the
poor, and make them comfortable; and nothing could give
satisfaction sinless they gave security to those who received
that relief. Hon. Gentlemen on the opposite side had said
that many Hon. Members on his (Mr. Hardy's) side of the
House, owed their seats to that measure. Ile (Mr Hardy)
believed that he would not have had the honour of addressing
that House then if he had not given a pledge of opposition to
that measure.—( Opposition cheers.) Not that he did so for
the purpose of obtaining his seat, for it was pretty well known
in 1834 what were his principles on this question; and be must
say that it would be a great relief to the minds of the poor in his
part of the world at least, if lie supported the Gilbert anions in
opposition to the attempt to dissolve 'them. It would be a great
satisfaction to their minds, if the Right Hon. Baronet, the
Home Secretary, would give some intimation of the alteration
lie intended to introduce. He remembered that when the Poor-

law Bill was put into shape, a resolution was passed that it
should be laid before the Court of Quarter Sessions at Easter
in 1534, in order that there might be an expression of public
opinion upon it, and that some of the provisions of
the Bill might be altered according to circumstances. Now it
would have been very desirable to have so done with respect
to the measure proposed by the Bight Hon. Baronet. By
this course an opportunity would have been given to various
parti, s to petition against the measure. He trusted that a
great alteration would be made in the law, but that that altera-
tion would not affect the power or authority for those who
were locally interested, if it was intended to make those ahem.
tions, he wished their purport could be known—(Bear, hear,
from the Hon. Members for Finsbury)—he trusted the alter-
ations would be such as would afford satisfaction, he should
say that nothing gave him more satisfaction; than the reflec-
tion that he had supported the interests of those persons whom
he represented by always opposing the measure,
Mr. S. WORTLEY observed, that his object in rising
to address the House was to profess very nearly his concurrence
with the Hon. Member who had just sat down ; but at the
same thee, he ( Mr. S. Wortley) was not disposed to cast that
severe censure upon her Majesty's Government which had
been cast upon them by Hon. Members, for having abstained
from making known all the details of the measure they in-
tended to propose, before the time had arrived when they
expectedto be able to carry it into a law.—( Hear, hear, and
ironical cheers.) He doubted the expediency of explaknitig
the details of such measures, whilst the Government were so
circumstanced, in consequence of the pressure of other mea-
surf s, they had no great chance of passing the measure to
which the motion referred, The Hon. Gentlemen concluded
by expressing his determination, without hesitation, of voting
for the motion.
Sir R. PEEL said he mpst say he was not a little surprised
that, considering di° Poor-law had been brought fozwad by
those who constituted the late Government, w o 'looked on it
as essential to the best interests of the people, and who founded
a great deal of their fame, w an the introduction of this mea-
sure, there was only one of those Hon. Gentlemen present.—
( Hear, )eat• He pursued on this occasion no course from
what he always halllpu)rsued ; he never sought any popularity
by opposing the New oor:law. He stated that he thought on
account of the mode in which the old Poor-law was adminis-
tered, of the gradual and rapid increase of evil under it, it was
for the advantage of the general interests, and above all of the
oor themselves,
,that some change should be effected in the
law. He was perfectly satisfied that it could not be properly
administered if there were an opinion: that Parliamsnt was in-
clined to abandon the subject.—( Hear, hear.) This was a
proposal for an inquiry, and it was said that there were
2,b00.000 persons acting under the mode, into which an in-
quiry was now sought. He (.Sir R. Peel) shuuld have thought

that the House of Commons had sufficient information on the
subject, to enable them to discuss the proposition of a new
Poor-law, without instituting an inquiry. There were 6i Gil-
bert unions ; 55 of these had voluntarily resigned their autho-
rity, and there were 12 remainieg,dispersed over different parts
of the country. His Right Hon. Friend intended to submit
propositions on the subject of Local Acts and Gilbert Unions
Immediately after Easter, but the Hon. Gentleman proposed to
institute an inquiry. He certainly thought that the House of
Commons was in a proper condition to determine whether a
different system of law should apply to 12 Unions, front that
applied to every other Un on throughout the country. For
what purpose was this :nquiry moved? The Gallant Officer
said it was for the purpose of enabling the Guardians to relieve
themselves from many charges brought against them. That
was perfectly indefinite. If they admitted one single Union to
be tried, they could not refuse another one an opportunity of
vindicating itself ; thus the House would far some months be oc-
cupied; the summer would come on ; the attendance of Members
would become thin, and it would be necessary to pass a Poor-
law for another year. His Hon. Friend the Member for
Bradford would wish to establish out- uoor relief.
Mr. HARDY—In the north.
Sir R. PEEL—The reference should be more specific
—(Mr. hardy then said "the manufacturing districts")
—well, then, it would be necessary to define what
were the manufacturing districts ( Much laughter)
and while the time of the Committee was so consumed, a tem-
porary Act would be necessary; the Government would be re-
lieved, and the country would be left in a state of uncertainty.
It was said that the House should be put in possession of the
measure intended by Government, but really the House had
mare little progress as yet with the measure before them,
In sixteen nights they had gone through but nine clauses of the
Corn-law Bill; and in the commercial and financial plans
they had made no progress. Let the House theretore get
through wiih one Bill at first, instead of having eighteen or
twelve Bills laid before it. As for himself, he retained all his
former opinions respecting the Poor-law ; but he considered
the House, without going into a Committee, could now decide
whether they would adopt the Gilbert Union plan or the general
Poor-law plan, or whether the country should be ruled at the
same time by the two systems ; therefore he would opposed
the Committee. His Hon. Friend intended at the earliest
possible period to bring forward a measure providing a remedy
for their just causes of complaint, and he trusted the House
would feel in a condition to decide on this point. if
the Poor-law ought to be altered, the House was
in a condition to say so--(Hear, hear)—bnt he did
deprecate as the very worst course the instituting a protracted
inquiry, which would increase the difficulties of those who had
the regulation of the poor, and who had a very unpopular duty
to perform. Let them take a eourse of amendment if they
thought the law required amendment; let them cordially
support it if they thought it ought to be supported; but let
them not leave all in doubt as to what their intentions
were by an inquiry which cannot be satisfactorily concluded
within a period that would allow them to legislate on the sub-
ject with advantage.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE replied. He had not heard any one
in the course of the discussion accuse either of the Right Hon
Baronets with inconsistency on this subject. Both the Right
Hon. Baronets bad been uniformly consistent in their support
of the Poor-law Amendment Ast, and therefore he (Mr. D. )
had never considered this as a party question. He had taken
exactly the same view when the late Government was in office,
and divided the House against it, and he should do the same
that evening. It gave him infinite pleasure to find that
it was not considered a party measure by Honourable
Gentlemen opposite, but that those who had pro-
claimed themselves as the friends of the poor, and
had raised the cry, " Down with the bastiles, "Down
with the tyrants of Somerset House," would now redeem their
pledges. He knew that the Secretary of State would say that
this measure was premature, and ask them to wait till they
saw his Bill.—( Hear.) This would be locking the door
after the horse was stolen ; they must wait till
the Poor-law jommissioners had stolen their union charter, '
arid then lock their union chest. The Right Hon. Baronet
knew it was the intention of the Government to dissolve the
Gilbert corporations. The Right Hon. Baronet said there
were twelve Gilbert corporations wholly under a different sys-
tem, and were they to continue so, after so large a number
had dissolved themselves? He contended that, under the
faith of an Act of Parliament, they had a right to insist on
continuing till the consent of two-thirds of the guardians was
obtained to their dissolution, and till they got it, they had no
right to interfere with their privileges. They avoided their
opposition at the time the Act was passed, and
now they could not reason with them. They came
down with them by force, and attempted to
deprive them of their Charter? Those who had dissolvedtherc-
selves would he too happy to revert to the Gilbert Unions. On
every principle of good faith and justice they ought not to
encourage the Right Hon. Baronet in proposing any law that
would ttisfranchise the Gilbert corporations without giving
them a fair hearing.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion
Against it

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Majority against the motion --67
RURAL POLICE.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE postponed, till Tuesday next, his
motion for " Copies of all letters and communications that have
passed between the Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment, the Chief Constable or any Magistrate of the county of
Norfolk or city of Norwich, from October last to the present
time, relative to the conduct of the rural police of that county
in the apprehension of a man of the name of Smith, on a charge
of vagrancy."
MANUFACTURING DISTRESS.

Dr. BOWRING moved " for a Report made to the Home-
office, by a Committee appointed by the Conference lately
held at the Crown and Anchor, on the subject of manufactur-
ingdistress.:___

Sir J. GRAHAM said that the document moved for was
sent to him by four gentlemen unknown to him, and con-
tained information which those individuals communicated nut
of their knowledge, but which had been given to themselves
by others.—( Hear, hear.) It appeared to him (Sir James
Graham) that the document was of a private nature,
and partook by no means of an official character, and to comply
with the motion would, therefore, in his mind, be establishing a
most dangerous precedent.
The que3tion was then put by the Speaker and the motion
negatived without a division.
111 r. M. ATTWOOD moved " that an humble Address be
presented to her Majesty, praying that. her Majesty will be
graciously pleased to direct her Majesty's Consuls, situated in
those foreign ports to which British coals are exported, to re-
port what quantities of such coals have been received in those
ports during the year 1841 ; and to state, as far as they are
enabled to do so, the purposes to which such coals have been
applied."
After a few words from Sir R. PEEL, the motion was
agreed to.

CALEDONIAN CANAL.
Sir G. CLERK moved "for a Select Committee to examine
the report of Capt. Sir W. E. Parry. H.N., on the Cale-
donian Canal; and to report their observations and opinion
thereon to the House."

At the suggestion of Mr. ELLICE, the words " and the
reports of the year 1839 and 1840," after the word " Canal,"
were added to the motion, which was agreed to.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
Ilouse adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock.

HER MAJESTY'S LEVEE.
(Continued from the Morniny Sun of yesterday.)
Lord Kinnaird—from an Independent Chapel, Stoney
Stafford, ditto, Inhabitants of Stansdead, Essex; and tne
female members of a Methodist congregation, Stoney Stafford.
The Mayor of Bridgewater-- Addresses of congratulation on
the birth of the Prince of Wales. The Mayor was presented
by Mr. H. Broadwood, M.P.
The Mayofr of Manchester, accompanied by Mr. Alderman
Shuttleworth, Mr. Alderman Kay, the Town-Clerk of Man-
chester, and a deputation from the Council—An address of
congratulation on the birth of a Prince of Wales. The above
were presented by Viscount Melbourne.
The Mayor of Chester—Address from the Towa-Council of
the City of Chester upon the birth of a Prince.
The Rector and Churchwardens of St. George's, Hanover-
quare—Address from the representative Vestry of that parish
n her Majesty's safety and the,birth of a Prince of Wales.
The Mayor of Birmingham, accompanied by Aldermen
Scholetield and Muntz—Address from the Mayor, Aldermen,
and Burgesses of the borough of Birmingham, on the birth of
a Prince of Wales. The above were presented by Mr.
Scholefield, M. P.

The Lord Provost of the city o f Edinburgh—Addresses from
the Lord Provost, Magistrates, and Council of the city of
Edinburgh, the Dean of Guild, and Guild Brethren, and the
Inhabitants of Edinburgh, congratulating her Majesty on the
birth of an Heir Apparent to the Throne.
The Mayor of Weymouth—An address of congratulation.
The Mayor was presented by Lord Villiers.
The Mayor of Plymouth, accompanied by Lord Ebringson
and Mr. Gill—An address of congratulation from the inha-
bitants on the birth of a Prince of Wales.

The Mayor of Scarborough—Two addresses of congratula-
tion on the birth of a Prince of Wales. The Mayor presented
by Sir John Johnstone.
Mr. 11. Watkins, Mayor of Arundel, and a deputation of
the Town-council—An address of congratulation upon the
birth of the Prince of Wales.

Mr. B. P. Witts, Prime Warden, and Mr. J. Weston,
Renter Warden of the Fishmongers' bompany—An address
from the Fishmongers' Company. The Wardens were pre-
sented by the Duke of Sqssex.
Mr. Peter Dickson' Mayor of Southampton, accompanied
by Mr. Le Feuvre and Mr. Newman—Address of congratula-
tion from the Inhabitants of the borough of Southampton on
the auspicious birth of the Prince of Wales. Mr. Dickson
and Mr. Le Feuvre were presented by Sir James Graham.
Mr. Newman by the Earl of Erroll.
Mr. Sowerby, Mayor of Gateshead--An address of congra-
tulation from the Corporation of Gateshead. Mr. S,owerby
was presented by Lord %Vorslcy.
Mr. George Clarke and Mr. Oswald Milne—An address of
congratulation from about 14,000 of the inhabitants of the
town of Manchester on the birth of the Prince of Wales.
Mr. Milne was presented by Lord F. Egerton.
Mr. William Allan, President of the Royal Scottish Aca-
demy of Painting, and Mr. D. 0. Hill, Secretary—An ad.
dress of congratulation from the Academy on the birth of the
Prince of Wales, Mr. Allan and Mr. Hill were presented by
the Deke of Argyle.
Mr. Sheppard, M.P., Mr. G. W. Sheppard, and a deputa-
tion from the borough of Frome—A congratulatory address to
her Majesty. Mr. G. W. Sheppard was presented by Mr.
, Sheppard, M.P.
Dr. Bownng—A memorial sigred by 16,128 inhabitants of
Bolton, praying for the removal of the present Ministers, and
the nomination of others who are friendly to the requirements
of the People's Charter.
Mr. Thomas Fuller, High Constable of Brighton, and Cap-
tain Pechell, R.N., M.P. for the borough—An address from
the Inhabitants of righton, on the birth of the Prince of, ales.
Townshend Mainwaring, 1%1.P.—A congratulatory ad-
dress from the Inhabitants of Denbigh.
The Mayor of Ripon and Mr. Alderman Horn—An address
of congratulation from the Corporation of Ripon. The Mayor
and Alderman were presented by Sir James Graham,
Mr. Vernon Smith, M.P., and Mr. Raikes Currie, M.P.--
An address of congratulation from the Town-council of North-
ampton.
Mr. Mackinnon, M.P.—An address of congratulation from
the Western Highlands.
Mr. David Morris, M.P.—Addresses of congratulation on
the birth of the Prince of Wales, from the Inhabitants of Car-
marthen, and the Independent Order of Odd Fellows of the
Carmarthen district.

h.. ii eney, Mayor of Halifax, Nova Scotia—An address of
ougratulation on the birth of the Prince of Wales, from the
Corporation, Halifax. The Mayor was presented by Lord
Stanley.
Mr. Richard Aubrey, Mayor of Swansea—An address of con-
gratulation from the Corporation, and one from the Inhabitants
of Swansea, on the birth of the Prince of Wales. The Mayor
was presented by Lord James Stuart. _ _

The Duke of Beaufort—An address of congratulation from
Gloucester.

Mr. Thomas Newland Allen, late High Sheriff of Bucks—
An address from tho Nobility, Gentry, Clergy, Yeomanry, and
other Inhabitants of the county of Buckingham, congratulating
her Majesty on the birth of an Heir Apparent to the Throne.
The Duke of Wellington. master, Captain Sir .1. 11. Pay,
Bart., deputy-master, Captain Rees, warden, and Mr. Her-
bert, secretary—An address of congratulation from the Cor-
poration of Trinity House, London, on the birth of the Prince
of Wales.

Mr. William Cortiekl, Mayor—Address of congratulation,

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front the Corporation and Inhabitants of Pewit], Cornwoil.
The Mayor presented by Lord Eliot, M.P.
Mr. Bernard Austis, Mayor (by Lord Eliot)—Address of
congratulation frost the mayor, Aldermen, Burgesses, and In-
habitants of the borough of Liskeard.
Mr. J. Hornbrook Gill, High Sheriff, presented by 'Lord
Eliot, and accompanied by Sir C. Lemon, Bart., M.P., Mr.
W. liashleigh, jun., M.P., and the Rev. W. Gill, Chaplain of
the High Sheriff—Address from the Nobility, Gentry, Clergy,
and Inhabitants of the county of Cornwall.
Mr. Warren, Mayor—Address from the Mayor and Corpo-
ration ; and Mr. E. Vivian, M. P.—Address front the Inhabi-
tants of Truro.
Mr. E. Poo:e, Mayor, Mr. E. Rice, M.P., Mr. R. Court,
Aldermen, and Messrs. Payne and Seward—Address of con-
gratulation from the Corporation of Dover.
b Rieht Hon. Charles D'Eyncourt—Address from the Mayor
and Corporation of Louth.
Sir John Henry Pelly, Bart., Governor, and Mr. William
Cotten, Deputy-Governor—Address from the Governor and
Company of the Bank of England.
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(presentedcst. by Sir R. B. Phillips, M P.)
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Mr. Bull:eley, accompanied by Mr. Pusey, Mr. R. Palmer,
M.P , Rev. .I. }DAME% •atid Mr. C. I..c.ric—Address from
the county of Berks.
Mr. Barry Baldwin, M.P., accompanied by Mr. T. Shore,
Mayor, Mr. W. 1). Taunton, late Mayor, and Mr. C Webber,
Magistrate and Councillor—Address from the Inhabitants of
Totncs.
Mr. Sotheron and Mr. Heneage— Address from the Inhabi-
tants of Devizes.
Mr. Jeremiah Smith, Mayor, accompanied by Mr. Curteis,
M.P., Mr. H. Brczler, and Mr. E. N. Dawes—Address
from Rye.
Mr. W. J. Welsh, Mayor, accompanied by Mr. Blakemore,
M.P.—Address from the city of 'Wells and its vicinity.
Rev. Joseph Ditcher (presented by Sir J. Graham)—Ad-
dress from the Archdeacon, the Rural Deans, and Clergy of the
Archdeaeonry of Wells.
Mr. John Shaw Leigh, Mayor, Messrs. J. Holmes and
Thomas Sands, Councillors (presented by Viscount Sandon,
M.P. ), accompanied by Sir 11. Douglas—Address from the
Corporation and Inhabitants of Liverpool.
Lord Sandon—Address from the Welsh Inhabitants of Li-
verpool.
Mr. Russell, late High Sheriff (i resented by the Bishop)—
Address from the Nobility, Clergy, and Freeholders of the
county of Durham.
Mr. Bramwell, Mayor—Address from the city of Durham.
Bishop of Durham—Addresses from the bishop, Archdeacon,
and Clergy of the diocese ; and also from the Warden, Mas-
ters, and Scholars of the University of Durham.
Mr. Howard, Mayor, accompanied by Sir G. Staunton,
Bart., M.P.—Address frost Portsmouth.
The Duke of Rutland, accompanied by Mr. Mitchell, late
High Sheriff (presented by the Nuke)—Address front the No-
bility, Gentry, Clergl, and Inhabitants of the county of
Leicester.
Mr. Joseph Marshall, late High Sheriff, Mr. R. J. Eaton,
M.P., and Mr. J. E. Marshall, late Under-Sheriff) pre-
sented by Lord Godolphin)--Address from the Nobility,
Gentry, Clergy, and Inhabitants of the counties of Cambridge
and Huntingdon, and the Isle of Ely.
Mr. George Fisher, Mayor, Mr. J. Deighton, Alderman,
Rev. C. U. Barry, Chaplain, and Mr. C. P. Harris, Town-
clerk (presented by Lord Godolphin, High Steward)—Ad-
dress from the ila)or, Aldermen, and Burgesses of the bo-
rough of Cambridge.
Mr. Bulpett, Mayor, accompanied by Mr. C. Bailey (pre-
sented by Mr. East, M.P. )—Address trom Winchester.
Mr. W. E, Elkins, Mayor, accompanied by Mr. Cooper,
Alderman, the lion. G. C. Norton, Recorder, and Messrs. J.
{Neale and Livesay, Councillors (presented by Lord Grantlev,
High Steward)—Address from the Corporation and Inhii-
bitants of Guilford.
Marquis of Downshire, Lord Lieutenant, Marquis of Lon-
donderry, Custos)Rotulorunt, Earl of Hillsborough, M.P., and
Mr. Perceval Maxwell, late High Sheriff (presented by Lord
Londonderry)—Address from the county of Down.
Mr. Edward Breeze, late High Sheriff (presented by Sir J.
Walsh)—Address from the county of Radnor.
The Marquess of Granby—A dutiful and loyal address from
the inhabitants of the borough of Stamford, on the birth of
the Prince of Wales.
The Marquis of . Londonderry—A congratulatory address
from the Mayor, Aldermen, aid Corporation of Stockton-on-
'l'ees, on the birth of the Prince of \Vales.
The Eail of Cawdor—An address of congratulation from the
Provost, Magisti ates, and Town Counoil of the borough of
Nairn, on the birth of an Heir Apparent to the Throne.
The Earl of Elgin—The loyal and congratulatory address of
the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland.
The Bishop of Lincoln—Addresses of congratulation from
the Bishops, Archdeacons, and Clergy of the dioceses of Exe-
ter and Lincoln, on the birth of the Prince of Wales.
Viscount Marsharn—Address front the Mayor, Aldermen
and Burgesses of Tenterden, on the birth of a Prince.
Mr. Stringer, Mayor of Macclesfield, Mr. Alderman
Wright, and Mr. Councillor Dod—Address of congratulation
from Macclesfield on the birth of the Prince of Wales. The
deputation was presented by Mr. Tatton Egerton, M.P.
Mr. Dobbs, Sheriff for the county of Antrim—A congratu-
latory address from that county en the birth of the Prince of
Wales. Mr. Dobbs was presented by Mr. Irving, M.P.
Mr. Colquhoun, Colonial Agent for St. Christopher—Ad-
dresses of congratulation on the birth of the Prince of Wales
from her Majesty's;Council and the Legislative Assembly of
St. Christopher, in the West Indies.
Sir George Stephen—Address of congratulation from the
Town of Princess Risborough.
Sir Richard Hunter, late Sheriff for Sussex—A county ad-
dress of congratulation upon the birth of the Prince of Wales.
Mr. Rice Clayton, ALP.—Address of congratulation from
the borough and hundreds of Aylesbury.
Mr. Robert Welham Clarke, Mayor of Beeches, accompa-
nied by William Crowfoot, M.D., the late Mayor—Address of
congratulation on the birth of the Prince of Wales. Messrs.
Clarke and Crowfoot were presented by Sir C. Brooke Vete,
Bart., M.P.
Mr. Hampden—Address of congratulation on the birth of
the l'rince of Wales, from the Nobility, Clergy, Gentry, In-
habitants, and Visitors of the Royal Leamington Sp., in tho
county of Warwick.
Mr. F. T. Foljambe, Mayor of East Retford—An address.
Mr. Foljambe was pi esented by the Earl of Rosslyn.
Mr. blewitt, M. P.—Addresses of congratulation on the birth
of a Prince of Wales, from the Mayor and Inhabitants of Mon-
mouth and Newport, 'Monmouthshire.
Mr. Thomas Thompson, Mayor of Hull—Addresses of con-
gratulation from the Mayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of hull,
and from the Burgesses of Hull. The Mayor was presented by
Lord Wors:ey.
Lord Worsley—Address of congratulation from , the Mayor,.
Aldermen, and Citizens of Lincoln. ' - , • •
Hon. Francis Scott., M.P.—Addresses of congratulation from
the county of Roxburgh, the burgh of Jedburgh, and the burgh
of Hawick.
Sir Thomas Winnington—Address of congratulation front the
borough of Bevidley:
Sir John Seale, and Mr. Stafford Carey, Recorder of Dirt-
mouth—Addressesof congratulation from the Mayirattd Tarn-
council, also from the Inhabitants of the borough. •
Mr. Richard Lanyon, jun., M.D. Mayor of Lostwithiel.—
Address of congratulation from the Corporation and Inbabitents•
of the borough of Lostwithiel, in the county of Cornwall.' The
Mayor was presented by Lord Eliot.
Rev. William Hawks, Mayor of Saltash—Addresses of con-
gratulation from the Corporation, and from the Inhabitants of
the borough of Saltash. The Mayor was presented by Lord
Eliot.
Rev. Philip Lewis—Address of congratulation from the parish
of Kew. The Mayor was presented by his Royal Highness the
Duke of Cambridge.
Archdeacon Wilberforce—Addresses of congratalation on the
birth of the Prince of Wales, and satisfaction at the King of
Prussia's attendance as sponsor, from the Archdeacon and
Clergy of the Archdeaeonry of Surrey.
Venerable Archdeacon Wilberforce and Dr. Quarrier—Ad-
dress of congratulation from the Inhabitants of the borough of
Gosport and parish of Alverstoke.
Sir John De Veulle, Bailiff of Jersey—Address of congratu-
lation from the state of Jersey.
Dean of Salisbury—Address of congratulation from the Dean
and Chapter of Salisbury. •
Mr. John Greene, Mayor, Mr. Patrick M'lntyre, Alderman,
Mr. John Trevethan, Councillor—Address of congratulation
from the borough of Bury St. Edmunds. The above were pre-
sented by Earl Jermyn,
Mr. 'Villiers Stuart, M.P.—Address of congratulation from
the Inhabitants of the county of Waterford.
Mr. Selwyn, Q. C.—Address of congratulation from the In-
habitants of Richmond, Surrey.
Mr. Lyall„ M. P., Chairman—Addressof congratulation from
the East India Company.
Mr. Cotton, Mayor of Barnstaple—Address of congratu'ation
from the Mayor, Aldermen, and Town-council of Barnstaple.
The Mayor was presented by Earl Fortescue.
Septimus Holmes Godson—Address of congratulation from
the Inhabitants of Tenbury and Visitors to the Tenbury Well.
Mr. Paxson, Mayor of Leeds, with Mr. Alderman Tottie,
Mr. Alderman Smith, and Mr. Eddison,TOwn-clerk—Ad-
dress of congratulation from the Corporation Of Leech.' The
above were presented by Viscount Palmerston. .
Mr. Holland Birkett, the Mayor of Wallingford, accom-
panied by Mr. Alderman Wells and Mr. Alderman Field--Ad
dresses of congratulation from the Town-council and Prom the
Inhabitants of the boroughs of Wallingford. The above were
presented byTlr. Blackstone, M.P.
Mr. Wawn' .M.P.—An address of congratulation from the
Inhabitants of South Shields. Mr. Wawn was presented by
Lord John Russell.
Mr. Lane, late High Sheriff of Herefordshire, accompanied
by the Bishop of Hereford and Mr. Mynors Baskerville, lI.P.
An address of congratulation from the county of Hereford.
Mr. James Campbell, Lord Provost et Glasgow ; •Mr. John
Bain, Magistrate; and Mr. J. Leadbitter, Magistrate; a De-
putation from the Corporation of Glasgow—An addreas of con-
gratulation. The deputation were presented by Sir J: Graham.
Mr. Thomas Verner, Sovereign of Belfast—An address of
congratulation from the town of Belfast and its vicinity.
The Mayor of Ipswich, Mr. Chevalier Cobbold—An address
of congratulation. Mr. Cobbold was presented by Sir C. F.
Williams, the Recorder.
Mr. Vaughan, Mayor of Brecon—An address of congratu-
lation from the borough of Brecon. Mr. Vaughan was pre-
sented by Colonel Wood.
Mr. Pennock Tiger, Mayor of Beverley—An Address of
congratulation from the Mayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of
Beverley. Mr. Tiger was presented by, Viscount Melbourne.
Mr. May, Mayor ef Maldon, and Mr. Walford,'Recorder—
An address of congratulation from the Council of Maldon.
Mr. May. was presented by Sir James Graham.
Mr. Ambrose Hussey, late High Sheriff for Wiltshire--An
address of congratulation from the county of Wilts.
Mr. W. Garnett, of Lark .hall, Salford—An address of con-
gratulation from the Operative Conservative Association of the
borough of Salford. Mr. Garnett was presented by the Right
Unit. Sir Robert Peel.
Mr. John Cole Grose, Mayor of Bodmin—A congratulatory
address from the Corporation and Inhabitants of the borough of
Bodmin, on the birth of the Prince of Wales.
Mr. Alfred Daniell and Mr. Henry Waymouth—An address
of congrptulation on the birth of the Prince of Wales, from the
Vestry of the parish of St. Marylebone. S.
The Mayor of Devonport,accompanied by Sir George Grey,
Bart., and Mr. Tufnell, M.P.'s--An Address from the Mayor,
Aldermen, and Inhabitants of the borough of Devonport.
Mr. Delamark Banks, late High Sheriff of Kent—An ad-
dress of congratulation on the birth of the Prince of Wales.
Mr. Banks was presented by Sir Edward Knatchbull.
Mr. Pt ice, M.P.—An address from the borough of Radnor.
Mr. Drysdale, Treasurer of the city of Edinburgh, accom-
panied the Edinburgh address; Mr. Wardell, late Mayor of
Chester, accompanied the address : and Mr. Alderman Ei•
dridge accompanied the Mayor of Southampton, and was pre-
rented by Sir Jas. Graham.

['We have received a list of the military and naval gentlemen
presented on the recent brevet, promotion, but the names are
so numerous that we cannot find ro for them. ]

The Queen and Prince Albert, it is understood, will
honour St. James's Theatre with a visit this evening.
His Royal HighneSs Prince Albert, attended Sir E. Bowater, presided on Tuesday at a meeting of the Con..
mission for Promoting and Encouraging the Fine Arts in Ow
Rebuilding of the Houses of Parliament. His Royal Righting
arrived at Gwyder House, where the meeting was held, at ha}{'_
past two o'clock-. The other Commissioners present inch) desthe Marquis of Lansdowne, the Earl of Aberdeen, the E' al of
Lincoln, Viscount Melbourne, Viscount Palmerston, I
.ord J.
Russell, Lord F. Egerton, Sir R. Peel, Sir J. Gralr
'sm,anti
Mr. S. Rogers.