The Sun.
London, England, 1842-04-09 00:00:00

; !el Inerlas • —
S al ~ • nous, yet a great many of them were very i
wail ~ "Ith regard to the article of timber he (Mr.
ea,. t:dnaa/btiai
(r)tauFlree se: c
oet t;
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ut againstmwears,a. throwingabnednt,fi4,ll an interests. away
Ia aetohUel arevenue ndke lei sysel t;
would in every way go to injure
There was another tax which had
advertedbaronet
to to-night, and which he hoped the Riga)
I
kett,,n t would see reasons for relinquishing altogether.
6 't the tax of 4s.
.pea ton upin coals—a tax
, (lee 'Vial interests of the country. In all foreign court.
to. yv'etluebtialaa most injurious : in its effects upon the shippine
, pt Belgtum
air sea s 6• um, which was in itself a coal country, they
a in I
„an_ aecount of its cheapness, since the duty was
has 'Ss's- With regard to corn, he was one of those
vthoetef4reedem of the article from all (lett, what-
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ta it
o. . ourflleivers:l tl
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sbupgia.nrg,waitnh tihnsetalahtLGtor•nf znptriinncibpelheaolff offreae
aelmel supaerted the proposition of the
al . ilMent respecting the duty upon that article, but he
"di better the proposition shadowed faith in
tarns .
ft.
limercial teherne or the Bight Honourable Ba-
.eala e %bought that 'lt was in the power of the
S, Lie to
indemnify the West Malan interest la
sAt certain regulatanns with - rt•isrect au coffee and
4611,,ri0.,,, latirdes(emnltslirii;ish eolonial sugar could not las usea in
tl i' t distilleries, when entered specially for
*I tiilt.Z.r• y e
Cou'ait not sash a regulation as that be done
litiesia Nava, he pointed out these things for the purpo4e
a 1 g tut if the Colonias wished to come to a settlement
tie.,4."tiwsis they might he freed from many rehiictive
41. re'd a.id he believed tliey would thus he compensatt d
lata ion of duty. With respect to the tariff of the
a ''s"Baronet, he wished to say tame it appeared to him
it 4' °lntaased many anomalies,- although he admitted
1%. are 4,1!0 conteined some usefala changes. There
th te .'ern in the tariff, nrmei.y, that of app'es, on
":4•Sa;fiaashed to make a few oaservations. He was sue-
atest lid that the duty upon fareign applies was to be five
'alai:ran their value ; surely, that was a misprint, or it had
nthetl in Kent.—( A aaugh ) That duty was larger
riatte tnica lutd. been formerly levied ; and it should he
11,1. aa, the article was one of very general consumption.
araai,eaeedans,tid that sale article of hops had been left entirely
a'rai --t hear aar)—snd en linseed cake the duty had
aliAal astelt,iaLac thi•'ed per cent. He Ilea alluded to these things,
ai a ` tneSe might undergo revision, and he hoped, cor-
, ota
alloh..ere was another point on which he wished
'sea '' ad to say a few words. A petition
tlash ' been forwarded from certain farmers
y ill ni..,rep:ishire who paid more than 50,000/. an-
4;tn f. n ; and they stated that it would be unfair to the
ett re rs' generally to assess their incomes at one-half of
I.the.s ,1-I.e believed that these who were best acquainted
' th,ralset would say that one-half of the rental was far
Yea.' ilia prcfits of the holders of well-regulated farmers
tsklldlt • He trusted, therefore, that that subject would Ise
'. 'St Ha into the consideration of the Government. The
a,`'la Baronet, in introducing the income tax, had
ere asthC condition of this country at a former period,
.'agaa'd a mutiny at the Ie ere, rebellion in Ireland, and
' la 4 )ad, with the funds at 52. lint there was now re
tees the Nore-a (taughter on the Ministerial benches)—
!!4 a an rebellio n in Ireland, and the funds were at 90.
'es eel!, he adreatted, hail that last circumstance as an ine
1, Yttks .naliona'S prosperity. 't he funds were high, and
a„, nireste ain them because trade languished, and there
aarafitable 'employment for capital. The Bight Hon.
''st ele iii, opinion, bad exargerated the difficulties of our
N',,,'tiou ; the people ot the country would ever be
14;ret rap dangers when they had arrived; but they
s Nts l'ilsil animously magnify their difficulties, and fly to
, ate dieots, which the necessities of their condition
sleir'4.—( Hear, hear.)
the N',l,' ALIVIER commenced by alluding to the taints
'.". Aaeu to Lord (Lord J. Russell) upon the conduct of
asae'l hers on his (Mr. Palmer's) side of the House.
i•Calla'ed he had voted for the third reading of the Corn
'lts sell he was not satisfies that the protection afforded
stasticulturai interest by that Bill was sufficient.—( ()p-
a! thee „
P-
ee 'a:a e He thought the agricultural interest re,
,411.111:°'e protection. The Right Hen. Gentleman had
saa areratse of three years instead ot fifteen, as, in Isis
a h '
N
pt i, te, ought. But he dal not not think he was incon-
e the co-arse he adopted with regard to the Corn-law.
traestialcht era.) It was impossible for a person to vote
At "n sohich embraced so many topics as the Corn-
feset disssent from portions of quiteit.— hear.) He
a • 'tt thau hhe believed it was not satisfactory to
l'e 'Mho' • g •
.aea is ts of the country.—(Opposition cheers.) The
4:14 11,V4,: B sronet proposed it under the idea that wheat
aaeoi kept at a price between 545. and 555. ; and if that
Nes allificient, he was sure the Right Hon. Baronet
kaiteaeady to alter the law. —(Opposition cheers.) With
htfal income tax, he was well aware of its inquisitorial
stlittills a eae. of the many inconreniences that attended it.—
kea tz r)—but he was also aware, that the credit of the
sateee us, be maintained; and that was acknowledged by
,asay a Isnrd and the Hen. Member for Coventry. The
aassn'leeld be placed in that position in which it was six
saataa Years ago—(Bear, hear)—and •he believed that
would be requisite to support the credit a the
\NA The Cha• seeder of the Exchequer would not
'ata --(Laughter_) It was_ for the sake of the credit of the
et tabs, f ''
`'4,i, t 4,.. , or that, only, that be would give his vote for the in.
4t,,'t. e,,i V hen he looked, also, to the wars of Affghanistan and
Or t° 'AC necessity imposed on them of supporting the
ki, Of Ulf.
,j,;: iaeN 'asteatitry in the East, he should vote for the tax.
ii 7 oh ,7;,,10 the tariff,
.he supposed that a new edition votild
k,ltt,
_54,.. day—topposition cheers)—but he must eay it. was
ti,,,,ott, filch be could never consent.—(Renewed Opposition
'e4,,ttl 14.''311fer.) He could never consent to such a tariff; in
elittititratlfy the wishes of free traders. He would not consent
k. s e duties on core' and timber, and thereby occasion a great
te,(441:1' the revenue: in order to gratify free traders. The income
S les , °Posed for three years,but thereduction of the duty on those,
lkitilspeteld occasion immanent loss to the revenue, which must
lttsstie, • It was said that the increased consumption of
ct4e,j'es Would supply the loss to the revenue, but the same
14, N. -,is used with respect to the reduction on the postage,
ease,as te result ? He shoped the
Right Hoon.at the my would be
,41491. :e Exhchequer account, so that thne Gentleman
0442 coesider, with respect to the tariff; what was to be done.
tt,4 let)is-a,
tf: too, 'bouring classes, and it was much less burdensome
St. 1'147 that had been imposed in former times.—( Hears )
i..4atect'.'teclthe point of exemption, because that was
~tits ,i.'° he the average price of labour ; if 150/. had been the
tsVas —,e'ee of labour, that should have been On point of ex.
‘e,„'is „ethe lion. Member concluded by sa3''..ig that he would
sgessfi;rebeous opposition to the !Oardons of the Noble
i t sAs.ssseare)
ki leech 9MERVILLE said that, after the lengthened discus.
itllke ex,. had taken place on the Subject before the House, he
iNI ater:.Oot to throw any additioseal light upon it ; yet, as an
altsth.per he felt called upon, to express his feelings with re.
tti, ' measure then uniter ceneideration. If he viewed the
t,tblis,taatePrtial light,
.venfining his attention to Ireland, he would
GO it, ,0 vOte for ',no bringing up of thelteport. He felt grateful
ii,. nh'ght lion. Baronet fur exempting Ireland from the opera.
ki'lq, tax. Hes also felt grateful to him for making it apply
kitotth'.bselttees, though he was afraid that he would not be able
ti:t4t" jn.ld of than iu the way that he anticipated.—(Laughter.)
eft. e„wt's bound to consider this tax, not as an Irish representa•
Otte, 4 i a representative of the Imperial Parliament, with
ii,;;; sie,,,inet to Ireland merely, but to all interests and classes ;
11%4 tit:g it in Oat light, he could not vote for the imposi_
tla„ Itless,Per°P°sPd tax. Notwithstanding the remarks of the
ititit4',ke tu 'hi. foe Bath (Mr. Roebuck) in a former debate, there
keisis'iteriet "e but one opinion out of doors with respect to the
~4,.`441 ‘t,ature of the Lucerne tax—the proposal met with
l'lce ,''''l In. ,4aPprobation. Nor did he believe that there
tfei,?•.te „`°3sity for it ; with such a belief he would be more
~aide 'ice ,i'orhok its oppressive character.—(Hear, hear.) The
lialtattia-aah existed was not the result of created reckless ex.
It, 'idea 't 'd the too great readiness of Hon. Gentlemen on
. ts,
ee, reties -, House to take off taxes. The fault was at least
Vibe°, ,t Bi4e.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that that deficiency
totll iroilha,de op without resorting to an income tax, by means
114;theer "al at one time supply revenue, and afford relief to the
INl9aes fo' With these views, though he felt grateful to the Hon.
'd teal heeactapting Ireland from the operation of the tax, he
letle,li "At)und to give the proposal his strongest opposition.
lt:tilbee, 'MILTON said he not intend to accuse Hon.
; tzis,!PPosite of being the canses of the dilemma into which
ii , Rid 'eltire had been brought. It was admitted, however, on
tO e' k.that -is , there was a great deficieucy, and the quer'.
1 sche"w should it be supplied ? Should they adopt
1)5.4 qr.:" of the Noble Lord opposite, ter the bold
i,i suh :lent plans of the Right Honourable Baronet?
liklit 12 caret/kilned that the land did not pay its share of the
Vklie as ,`,'-rtkoss and who insisted that it ought to pay the legacy
'l as personal property, should remember the heavy duty
ir al, nt!)ald already on the transfer of property. The income tax
1/11,S hi aeurse, bear heavily on some classes and individuals, but
k ,i'1,.,,,,,, "on Baronet were to erase all such items his scheme
kkle ,' educed to nothing. It would press not more heavily than
kktilt he nature of a general tax to do; and if it should bear
fits 11
h the widow she would find some compensation in the
'll se
r, 6 Would derive from the tariffand the new provision.law.
1441 , RIEL assured the Right Honourable Baronet that
04°d-will—to adopt the expression of the 'Honourable
kt kithf°r Essex, who had just now addressed them—
kll h; 406d.wi1l the people of this country would submit
I, I),(?tue tax, however obnoxious, if, for the sustainment of
tlsttst ti!tt and interests of England, that tax were indispensable.
4:411,1:8 impression, they would with promptitude imitate the
CiSer„Zhich our gracious Sovereign had spontaneously and mug.
e ,)i• t, Y given.—(Hear, hear.) But of that generous dispose.
Qiis 6:'e People, the Minister should be slow to take advantage ;
,oft ',loutd avoid, with peculiar care, any exaggerated descrip.
Otte. "e embarrassments and perils of the country, in order to
'AS ' thei
k 4 Ltie„: r acquiescence in an ioepost, of all others the most
SNl'sa,t.` to the Government—o:• all others the most harassing
ili.4ty, '°'" to the public.—(Cheers.) Did the condition of the
ti,:instsdid the state of our finances—did past misfortunes, or
ti. at
.., difneulties—did impending hazards make the imposi.
1,,s ‘14,-,4 ineOlne tax of truly imperative necessity.—(Cheers.)
ejtl e,,1. konths should have passed, as was suggested by the Noble
le,!'le I,,t' moved the amendment—ere many months, this question
lifittie tout by that portion of the community who were the de-
al,' et t'':,°f political power, and on the answer they, net the Mem.
tlst' tip,: House, should give, would the stability of the Govern.
Otte", ts 'nds for then the merits of the Ministry would le tried
vrlty, 4eSt test, and their claim to public confidence would be
Is4trit:teds not by the acclamations of the majority here, not by
11tVsi::,;1), hs of a general election, but by the results to which the
had 4,, °f the Right Hon. Baronet would then have conducted.
tk,k t-,T.) He (Mr. S.) admitted that the Right Hon. Baronet
11,,‘, ti" a direct and bold part. He said that if he could not
lee gel,Ltneasures—if he could not carry the income tax, which
he NI Ported by many of his friends, and the tariff', to which
, . s., Of L. .
, , "qnpt his friends objected—he was prepared to take the course
're''te aelede in 1855. He, however, was in different circumstances
raiit4l,,,t,with permission, he (Mr. S.) would say the Right Hon.
.144,thst h, magnanimity was somewhat misplaced, for there was i:o
' 11),,telis bas Public virtue would be put to so severe a test. Though
hit tee ~s`le paradoxical to say so, still he (Mr. S.) would observe,
etttice:lght Hon. Baronet's first difficulty would be the result of
Veit ,', which would be one of those victories which it. was not
-.4 ..0 ,
,e, but not easy to follow up. When th i tax
\''ry in,n,,,,, practical operation—when that w eras wans nowcome the
Is!hs,-;kl"a_ rliament had become an actual burden on the public
la "roe t the tuft meaning of that most significant expression, " an
eftiettlyalA, was thoroughly understood—when Schedule D was
111,s4ate ,ntelligible—when they should know through the medium
``thhate'rll'etience which was the best of all public instructors,
alee,` at. an income tax, paid out of what was well known as
41,111 2 ,:i'vial interest " in the Irish debates, meaning that from
tik*atie;' his subsistence was derived—wh n they knew that no
liss.d' Cr, -:.' as to be set off' azainst Hoverrg for the necessities of
111;'se:).'°°ds clothing, the roof every English tradesman's
lee, tetisa,ln the privacy of so many Englishmen was invaded by
Iles bat ie '3. inquisitors attached to the new tribunal—when they
. sai'itttetle'r"svestigations on oath took place into the pecuniary eh*.
• he.l're,„l
..°1 every man, as often as your Commissioners, original,
llise'ss, ,:sand special, should conjecture that more than 1501. had
ts,"lie.ii'Otl in a single year—when they had felt all the paints all
flit;lh oi,at,ons, incidental to this odious tax—whee the i alfin e
10 .h. e word, shall have been brought Inane to them—then he
alaie /el) ta ,
\yeah ought the people of this country would be disposed
ers after all this measure was unavoidable? —(Cheers)-
1,141t1. th
—(Cheers)-
1 ha.,:r.e ivzs not any other expedient to which the Minister
'ksit:ted hi had recourse ?—whether the possession of power had not
the fed aria to abuse it 2—whether he had not availed himself of
fles %het enthusiastic majorities, for the purpose cf inflicting on
s ae .se s
N, 'Pe(); 4 tax which, neither its present circumstances, nor its
haul that iiPctl, could be said to jestify ?—(Cheers.) His opinion
tle.f4 e
ersa, Was mistaken in his view of the public necessities, and
oh,L,treved the exigences of the Stale, and that the people would
t:,,t'kl, ,' their condemnation of a scheme of which a tax so inqui-
tlls'iti Z';4jtlst, and so immoral, formed the basis.—(Cheers.) We
ttisthis tax is necessary to supply a double deficiency— me
,ittilit "IY did exist, the other, to be consequent on a kieat
"Perlinent.—(Hear.) He could not help thinking