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know. however, that
the United States el
had taken place acrosO!
of that distress. If.
lties would SOOll ceaSet
with them, and that
.o countries would be
must be the desirene of
The Hon. Gtle-
In not perceive ant,
iterests, or why tat.
at all. Surely • this,
many burthens oath!:
;qualifications, and the..
laboured, among the
the cultivation f
t 0•,%.
the step of rem rang,
to answer for the ge
Cell-
lsit ion benches.)
with a farmer in V,
man in his way
thinking about the
Is, I think I shsuld like
prised him ry much!.:
him say ove
befor.e.:,
d cries of " Oh, oh
t;
mut I think I'm righ
ve the Corn-laws re.
in one conditiour thirst
to sell all my so c"
by till we can see
th
the.
:natchbull) said
he farmer, think
t A
ain as they are.
off corn, what wour
s of land in the Ito.
hem would be sent le.
told only cause tnpre
exists at present.!
the Speech made 14
(Sir E. Knatchbultlei
part which insina,_
csted motives. OCP
bs,
the minds of men here
and who stood trlie
He
sir own interest.
r to consider this qee':
ned by any one r;
neficial in his opo'
fish manufacturer;
that the majorityl
ent, were well OA
e Right Hon. Bacei:11:.
only of the egri hsS
a United Empire t
d be continued.
;) in representing t;„'
said that out of
w, certainly if they
itch was bad e11°4,.e.:
hose whom they regn.'
,on. Baronet then 4
atement s of Mr. "
me of voice as to be re
lerstood it to be tone,
favour of a protecinso
t went on to say, i 11.4
r. Huskisson in 1,11,
ms the present was; e'o
'ood at any one Mourne
in the e°,°,4,
ns he had entertil,lo
the subject, wol')

tient that
eers
had been introduced.-(Cheers.) Cheers. ) As for those
nutnerous classes w
system,ho had so long suffered under the existing
theherew
)othing in the Rut before way ofertin practicag- to theb sl ene
liding socfit wuld result.-
a nothing
in detail,
to „ii re. Important preliminary part to which he first desired
undoubteedrl
been adv tea t'et
old
dt joonneo,f the House, the more so as it had not yet
reset with that°. On comparing the scale of the Right Hon. Ilia- considerable diminution of duties must
Mind on thY be acknowledged. lint, before he made up his
Minor ea_ t',Point, he (611 r. Laboachere) must attend to a few
Hon tarsolderations. In proposing the new scale, the Right
tile.avera net proposed several other alterations in taking
from whi(gleisi by adding no less than 156 towns to the 150
the duty 'f the averages were already taken, and by taking
laspectorse making th averages out of the hands of the corn
officers. ',__ who had it now, and entrusting it to the Excise
and,
when
these 156 many were small agricultural towns,
ellsde a,raa added to the 'present 150, the aggregate would in-. ehangelw st all the large towns in the country. Now this
might alt:o
l
d
effect the averages,
as hitherto advertised, and
had made the whole scheme of duties. The corn inspectors
but the Fir UP the returns in a very careless manner.
this
..._
would officers would do the bnsiness carefully; so far
Zan ':?,114-1 lie an improvensent, though, doubtless, the Right
the
eentleman had no intention to affect the•averages. Put
from
to opinions
of
practical and experienced men, he was
which he would Say, that the effect of those alterations, and of others
prac-
tical reduu9uld immediately advert to, would be to cause a prac-
ter, The
ton in the advertised average of no less than ss. a guar-
alleged averages, Right lion. Gentleman said that he had examined the
fere rages, and that so far as he could make out, the ilif-
rice of price -and general
avera es between the London averaees the
haul_ of the country was very small. Now he (Ur. La-
`eudetre), after referrine to the documents that had been fur.
itch,
that House, dicr not think that that statement of the
height„itch. Baronet could be borne nut. On the contrary,
he
should it Was
clear from the papers to which
Yea i d Presently advert, that the London averages in the
r 841 b .
(dice which he
<lid not 841 S means of fictitious sales-a pra
ti__,
e_mean t° defend, but which, nevertheless, had the prac-
-4 fleet of lowering theprices-it appeared that the London
uh ages were affected by ctitious sales, made by speculators
theaatelnaged to make a difference of no less than 4s. between
of averages oT the country, excluding London, and the averages
Aetitias the
which governed the price. Then, as to the
the " nature of those sales-that was sufficiently proved by
quantity Chat sub sold. Those were the facts which appeared upon
1830, 2,teet. In the six weeks ending the 27th of August,
market I'63°, quarter of wheat had been sold in the London
there h' while, in tbrcorresponding period cf the year 1840, '
the speadr been sold fl,ooo quarters. In the former period,
an thienee a the average price in the London market, and
the letterer markets in England and Wales, was 2s. 9d. ; in
Ist.
~.•
priod there was a va iation of from 6s. Bd. to
tu Tte ;de: tit there was, of course, a corresponding difference
think, therefuoPon wheat during the two periods. He did
in potting a
st re. that the Right Hon. Baronet succeeded
he made t'tiPs to those speculations as he expected; and if
IL6 new towns -e scsle more extensive, by the introduction of
ter than the „'r "'ft if the Excise officers did their duty bet-
eight in thems 1 ea ntsPectors these things might be perfectly
he did think e ys
''t was notthat ' h was Disputing, but
to the
, ht Is point e
ar that the result on. Baronet need not be startled to
be to produce a; of the three causes, taken together, would
(Hear, beam .flerease of not less than ss. in the averages.
.) If L
the,ohjest of , that were the case, 'it was obvious that
some respects ioe whole scheme would be defeated, and, in
the Right Ho' they should be worse off under the measure of
lave sup os n. Baronet, than under the present system. Let
was ,i7),sed, for instance, that the price under the pre:ent
Under s., the
equivalent average under the scheme of the
Honourablethat Baronet would be 725., and the duty
'l°", be 0 I scheme would be 225., while it would
to Wears ts_n,Y.
0218._( Hear, hear.) He did not wish
the ssatel,„l 'luse with details ; but if there was any truth in
tions of ,",'nts he had made they would derange naling of tii`eue Right Hon. Baronet, and with a nom lower-
911e of the scale they would have in reality, a higher duty.
taistin evils that had been most complained of under the
it had sYstein was, the evil of thefluctuations of prices which
kiwi,
denulel. In former debates he had heard that defect
Sesse,_,eo • Ile did not believe, however, that on the pre-
coeed-rsfl n any
,Ilon. Gentleman had ventured in the same
the fin manner to deny that fluctuations had been caused by
"Y that atiasta)/ls of the present system. It was no answer to
tical* we "e
might be countries in the world where flucSua-
potiti.... _ still greater than here. Looking to the geographical
tapir England, and to her immense commercial advan-
of carse.,nad no hesitation would, that under a sound system
try of t't la,ws this country be', he would not say the coun-
of the "%lowest prices, but certainly it would be the country
sisas
ssttinadiest prices in the world.-( Hear, hear.) That
atui
ttne I rnense advantage which this country might enjoy ;
Bartl'aistissY c°,uld not affereto throw away that or any other ad.
et which Providence had given them. 'I he Right Hon.
ailltliat-ensileill4 instance of rye in Prussia, as sieproof that
finteti(aeoftitY,the-fe.od'f the peoplelad been .subject to equal
oot of Zseeir greater ' fluctuaticins, than those in the
le ealea;°, people' of • this 'country. He.- wondered that,
hot occur t°
these fluctuations in rye in Prussia, it did
'tires% trt° the Right Hon. Baronet that they could be
it
of
the aced to the operation of our own Corn-laws. The
lt also ,(ople of Prussia consisted principally of rye, but
to sor fessisteil a good deal of wheat • and was it not obvious
Wheat Y gentleman that this countr , b drawn's. to it the
wile at, es.f, l'russ•a greatly raisedy the price" of that
result milich the.n. became scarce, of course, and the
talfilo as a:ss. that the of rye' rosen the same
the IC ""e Price price . .
• ight Hs of wheat He should say that argument of
one,
Th nßaronet appeared to him to be a very strange
"°Ped ts, e Right Hon. Baronet also said that he confidently
vent eat the alteration he proposed to introduce would pre-
the ,sse gr(at fl • h• hh d h•sh t t ken place in
e,ossees s uctuations w lc a is er o a
Ls-mud that °I wheat in this country, because, as he said, he
Cl's a d sa,smore gradual scale in the duty on barley, peas,
I,ettl'arao,... "'uer articles had been produced, as he thought, by
~-"neherie-i's in the price of those articles. Now he (Mr. La-
;,_raPre-t's,was surprised to hear the Right Hon. Baronet
asMthe 1,-;:io things that did not admit of comparison. Wheat
Cr", NA' food of this country, whereas those other
Leese a elluld be • for the other. Besides,
lb Were substituted the one
erefo not objects of the same pressing necessity, and
tit), d re., it sN • J .
th • egree as Impossible to compare those two things with
tere Was Of Propriety with such an article as wheat, for which
11ktliad. •ata Pressing and urgent demand, and which must
eta. .tlie e any price.-( Hear. He could not make out
s terial sew scheme of the Right Hon. Baronet would in any
sae ueeree.
latsioeisee se.. remove or mitigate those evils which a sad
,strut eedproved to attach to the present system of Corn-
fatip° eirs hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet laid great
ci' ts n the valise of the American market, and he ex-
'bat "at adv
1, eaturtr antages would be gained for our commerce with
sibPortane Y by Isis measure. He also seemcd aware of the
go til f 0 .e of not having very wide field for ibis country to
a .
'lliglit r its s 1
tit
0,. lion. ..!"13P yof such an article as. corn. Bultddeidnatbhlee
444:al
wiisaronet really believe that his scale would
eb,d_ , kale ll,....America for flour and wheat, any more than the
t •-9-a. 'mil? fie did not believe that he could labour
• need . . tech delu ' (H h )He saw his Noble
s 1104: losite "an.-
ear, ear.
at. le,
ea., , the Member for Liverpool (Lord Sandon),
-',Aartuleherssu, and seemed to contradict that ; but he (Mr.
latul
.i peelairas surprised to receive a contradiction, and
he ,• it doeurnYenfrom his Noble Friend. He held in his
ealletra'd s„ t of far more value than anything. which
chi the a•i',_ e,Poti that subject, ,hand to which he
Jipt,,,....he shau,Sention of the House with a confidence
prtsiktioni of his hot have ventured to put forward for any ob-
Li -`nted that,' not
He held in his hand a copy of a petition
ett'auerliool t 0 the night by his Noble Friend the Member for
,Agri taerei Rouse, coming from no less important a body'
Whote:;• Re ants of Liverpool, engaged in the trade with
it, butould not trouble the House by reading the
Neshe
e wai, ' It
that'
was sure it would allow him to read some
onitilossure tha:" a moderate and ably drawn up petition, and
great !les ofs0e1:- the House would agree with him, that the
Aesesiean.tsiderat,•"o,entleroen upltm the subject were entitled to
D;rotri,:'llosire-s". They said that " she United States of
our, b•-: e Rl:under great disadvantages as compared with
operateri
toe 1,0 oae, in respect to the trade in wheat and
.that th the ,44.1 of the sliding scale of duties, which
4aced seY Isse7Judice of every country in proportion, and
hey went"Pri a hot in fact, but only nominally,
and ourhon to f°oting with more favoured nations."
tts week 'a, that ~ fixed I wheat
oe, Not, at a moderates ury upon
IN untri
to
an ese...cci materially benefit the trade between the
dornesti eltensior, eers from the Opposition)-and would
created , reannfaeto-, "the exports of our industry ; that the
Attrib daring th -;es of the United States had eatl in-
hes, uted to e last few years,which they in great part
sged ti our ow_
..so Ts ,e partiss, n restrictive policy.-( Hear, hear.) He
.eve of nt the wh'..Tar attention of the House to what followed :
that ueing diaeuulessubject of the American tariff was on the
flj2iputnltss we ssed,in Congress, when it was to be feared
Wm'. be edoptisdzeiaxed our system relative measures
,Sttastl' of that great ( Heat, hear.) These were the seri-
i'll ie'llti'M ill Liver and, important body of British merchants,
•Positevaltled the .npooi who
traded with America ; and highly
,ioe„1. he shouldQLinfl°" "d
authority of his Noble Friend op-
. llare4,st° Prefer theinnions of those British merchants.-
ease_ Board of Trod L Right Hon, Gentleman the President
star he L__ e. mid made use of an argument which he
11 eof ~ 'ward with some surprise. He had alluded to the
'greats •"r consmerc •
new Ileig us
...,... e with Russia, and he said Russia was
as a elists,d rivutti a tariff even more hostile than that which
Iss 'gems • 14 Right Bon. Gentleman had used that as
ow h nt in sa.„o
sdrat'll ; (Mr' tai.: ur of retaining the sliding scale of duty.
serfee Men ts_ 1 uchere) confessed. that he should have
were Iv diffesue s atemept of the Right Gentleman
.a
# rt' our
tree......._rnt conclusion. Ile should have said, that if it
noo quar.e ,
rets,,eatriet;", he believed it was true-that, mainly owing to
, th rots,, sirloin
' e policy, Russia and other countries were using
sheaf e stralneasures against our manufactures, he found in
s,,,,adont tt,g reason to induce this country to take care how
"ld her,eu, any system of Corn. laws the effect of wh sh
'°iinsit our trade with other nations. He should say
' s meet that was to take care to adopt
-id include in our corn trade
(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
seal and only way to
ssontry, with
' our
latex is.
tions should n,..
net his support.-(e.,..,
fess, that it was with the deep,
erred to the details of the Right ho..
lie had no doubt but that it would become
and he hoped it might work well and justify the a.,_
of the Right Honourable Baronet. He (Mr. Laboucee. .
must, however, confess, that he could entertain no such ex- es
I,ec tations. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by thank- itig on 1....
ss
mg the House for the patience with which they had listened to circumstances e.
him, and stated that he felt it his duty to vote for the proposi- Could any lion. be..
tion of his Noble Friend the Member for London.-( Cheers ) ther Mr. Huskisson was
Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL explained. The Right sliding scale, which was his on.
Hon. Gentleman had entirely misunderstood what had fallen Now, the Hon. Alember for Sheffield had es.
from him ( Sir E. Knatchbuil.) He had not said a single be the effect of the plan proposed by the Right hos,.
word about raising rent or maintaining the value of farms. He on the price of provisions ? To answer that question, ..
was desirous of correcting the misapprehension into which the thought it was necessary, in the first instance, to come to an I a „,,,s_
Right Hon. Gentleman had, evidently unintentionally fallen. understanding as to what, in common years, would be the r
to his interes.,
What be (Sir Edward Knatchbull) had said, when speaking of price at which foreign wheat could be landed and placed in large. lie was cons.-
1 the whole class of persons connected with the agricultural in- bond, with all charges paid, in the British market. If that of securing the most perm..
tprest, as contra-distinguished from those connected with the question could be settled, or placed on any thing like a fixed an increa-ed supply of home-gr"-
menufacturing interest, referring to landlords, tenants, and la- foundation, there would be no difficulty in giving the Right it could be procured from ether countries-;
hourers alike, was that it was important that they should be at'l© Hon. Gentleman an explanation. To do this, he should not
it to a fixed duty, which he looked Upon as 05,..
to occupy the stations which they at present maintained in the rely on any evidence taken from their side of the House; but extreme to the best interests of the country—r
k Cheet a. /
theny, and that they should be secured in the enjoyment of he should rely on the evidence produced by the Noble Lord Oil the motion of an HON. NIE MUER, whose name we could
property they time slue con- the Member for Tiverton-namely, the Consular returns. If 1 h d bate then odjourned.
posaessed but that at the same
strike not earn, te , was
sideratio
they would take the column of prices in that return, and
n ought to be paid to the manufacturing interest.
The other Orders of the Day were then ii;
-sposed Qt, and ANT lA, ...
Sir JAMES GRAHAM would not have risen at that late out of it only the two items which he should name, the price of adjournedat 0
the House
The Executive Com.-
hour to occupy the attention of- the House had it not been for corn at Rotterdam and at Antwerp, which were almost goof-
,
eseiessisiesiseseeesseseseense close of its sittings on sates.
Might passages towards the conclusion of the speech of the nal prices, inasmuch as they were not port* from whence any
„ Brown's Hotel, Palace-yard. Several,-
flight Honourable gentleman, in which he had tuuolied great supply for England was drawn. If any gentleman wouldlSE 1 0 IS VT
STRIKE
wHitg T.• 11 I'l - - ...OT •L-All municated intelligence of the feeling of indigna..
agog certain topics in such a manner that to use strike out these two items, which were both 555. a quarter, then friends to tho pk,,,k, should observe this. Doubtless there are which the Government measures were received in the ~...
his own expression, flesh and biottj id t•t. 1 Laughter.) he believed that the average price, according to those returns, 's- t*" g 't• '' ,ortance, but the Com; i., the determination of the people, nth the various localties
And here he must say that altho°u" h nillse resis - s
1 y felt the pro- would be found to be 365. ; he therefore assgreed that is be should 1140 i 'm'ad
t" 0 tisin of questions. The maw
'"w upon the recommendation of e Conference. It was
foondest respect fur the orders of the Hous a "anadsfor the man- the price of foreign corn. Then he
L
tilee the. column of the heselbvesdoeme
etillee qittoes
yield something, and unleosnopolists fee.
a resolved that the Committee should hold an open meeting
nee in which the Speaker enoined obediencee to those orders, rate 3 of freight, 4nti if, in Ow sal-ile manner they struck out the ms as be macdoernup on them, and that by the lA;iivca,AiS
vac.i.ar goef dole; a
alsot
twelve o'clock to-day, and each succeeding morning for
set he thought thp present debate exem idled in a striking ireighte from ports at a groat distance, such as Palermo and : that something will be pseeiciis littlo. All classeseeshould the transaction of the impai taut business, which must of necessit This was an action in ...-
manner the danger pf departin
H€
'IP- 1 ' ' the molt Odessa, from whence no great supply was drawn, they would People, • : - .. 0 Away with the C
..
seemingly unimportant matt g 'min 1 iose re ey IP
cry out wsth one onseersal vete , 0rn.1aw5!,,..... occupy
, great queetion
sl find that, instead of there being an average of 4s. 6d. per
er. Here they were in the secon n
in the Muse of Commons. As the press will have an opeartu,nity part of the price paid for eighteen do..
night of this debate, and what, he - arter it would be reduced to between 31. od. and ,Ps sol4lglos
other se.
would ask could be more qu 1 . • of the Royal f g attending these meetings, reports of the pros ,8s will no the defendant to the plaintiff; the
illogical than the coursk they were ursui ig?' A ver 1 4s. a quarter. On this evidence,
y arge therefore, he as. I One of the keepers . orest of La • •
doubt appear in all the Liberal daily papers, bottles returned, for which, as agreed at at the purcha...,
body of those the hg.d spoken en this b•I - •,...• ^f ein brough
t, to England towas returning to Brass at,
Blanque, near Montpellier, . , . wi.
sast a sow days ----________„........,_ lowance was to be made. The case of the plaintiff (a booksen...,
of opinion that no protesiFien i'hats su 4ect, were , .
s er shoe hl ne yep to the tie somewhere about 40s. Now, he would just show what would ago, when he met five men carrying nillfloks, 1‘ -i-
-d ,_\X,is.. they had un- _____________________---
• was, that the wines were inferior to the quality which was paid for,
landed interest, and their argurne ' beffect of the measure proposed by her Majesty'sll' lawfully cut in the forest. flav,i,ni 416•0 tliwil them to lay down The Caen papers statsi that the in
quiry set on foot and at which they were warranted; and several witnesses, wine. sensed,
nts went to show that any e the t
I is
dby a blow b ukti of the la
100 f. for a bi..
protection, even to the least possible amount was un- nisters. He should show conclusively that the practical effect their loads, he was hzietsistisy siaggere ow from a largo
with regard to th? Ssr g house of detention at Beaulieu dealers and others, gave their opinion to that effect. The
e. only deposio-
just, and ought to he immediately withdraw (Loud cheers.) of the measure would be to protect the English farmer up to stun=
, stilh-MAiii4i.i.ll iv one, and then struck down, and severely shows it to. k1,411e atilell horn the imprudence of one of the officers defence was, first, that the wines had been several years mono:gesso of the Gov..
But what was the question which was nownu.-nderod' • ior7 the price of 665, a quarter, because below that p ,e' a foe ins- svosinuou by another with a hatchet. Being left for dead, he lay vmpSoyed in the establishment. This person accidentally let a in the plaintiff 's cellars, and had deteriorated ; and propagation
"One is what can have bete-
-Ihe motion of the Noble Lord was not for withd=g all porter could not, if the duty is a.iden, import'absnr V.ithout in. an night on the ground, but was found next morning an 4, writid poilde fall in one of the workshops, and the inflammable materials, as to the bottles, that they had not been received back, In support every
hat things will turn out better than is exists_
protection from the landed interest. The motion distinstly ,orsing a lose. • , 'Bearing lilt need~ the fact he had stated, that to the hospital of St. Pons, where he still. is iin a oii,,,,i.eaauuta., I,w, having instantly broken out into a blase, hebehest his presence of of the latter, witnesses were called that the signature of the re-
which the Island will not soon recover.-Romph,
I admitted the necessity, L.nd the question tl- d' i • ‘ •
f heat in common years would be Qs, in bond he
sey were mu thug the price 0 W
1 men are in custody on susvicien,
mind, and did not give the alarm till It was too late, ceipts given for the bottles on their being returned, was in the 7-...._
..... . .. ' ' i . - .•

luse. IRO
rder, order, 8643,
at when he (pr. •
ad in reading flOl
ands, said that Olio
employed. He emtell
he House, and nod
d the previous eveaori,
occurring in the
he transcriber. 0•
tirty mills were 1,1;b0
•ds, "or working
arelessness omitte bt
House. If the %)
hen he ( Dr. newrijoi
expressions that
tight Hon. Gentlee-
-101
time thediscussion
ave given a silents';
ead (Lord JO%O
upon the toga-, ot
d ,and those who no
he k Mr. L'..)
"'
cu d
sedan offiela ein
ie commercial interllY „
e it to his sense of
oce
[east to express his t
ffected them. 13,?,
it for that pats
e him to express. 0
should endeavoarbip
ervations as
yeech of the b,(I
sat down. °e the
be in that HeneetiriOr
n to the agricti the
that the speech .I,IIP
the Crown, ell I
which he' (F;so
3r places, speel°' the
re) rejoiced tat [et
/That they had
nd orTir
at the object tow ripe
osition cheersi moot
oa
plain and en) !st
e object of the Pe-,is
tates of the -ilt*
re that interest 100,0
from the
M inisterial gi ear
übject, the fligigiiP•
second tiate%is,`4ted tA°
ent iments pr C 617,
to say)- I.'ow
the House tua ,10r,
onet. Now' he ,11
ect of a Corn 13111,1:e 3
eived that the bittif
vat iou3 classes °,l,Ajl
assing a Corn
be ford
as should be for
turnunity.—(Chees.
of so valuable s
Hear, hear )---hu.t4
; to regard and pr.*
portance than te.5.1
interFsts74
his country.••""behlkWY
.abouchere)
ill—( Cheerst
Id 4
rememberinl
Right Hon. Per,
.abouchere)
Dcated in some 4,07,'
rare very differea'.,
he brought forl
,re) did agree
a unbecoming a",0!,1
of this measurecioo.,
to enable o°l6o
stations irt
sorry as any znerise
,ment of thee, t§
neant that Vin or
erned tho breatirdi,
nterests of theleatte
Baronet in Wry,
of awful imp° 101
in any country' 5f
ist be a measur.te
many coosidemoip
iety in this eter)
pply of corn vai;
!ar. ) Before .pev
se would briedltiO
etl
state of the
supply of ceell,:ag
tpit
1 that it was tr".-60.
krt large VeinteitA•
asons we 10""
• 0 010
real questio
average Preifieg.
the people."
ars, we watt,t OS
'sons we haa sfiupl
duce, there 'l.O
)n. Baronet; ,„;eoc;
delr'or
an average .0e .4
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