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tion. lie concluded by arm:s*lla wish, that in this
stags of the business, they should avoid any allusion
Manebtiter, or to any other town to wish it might be
thought desirable to transfer the franchise. On the prin-
ciple of confiding the debate to its-I:mi.-est limits, he had
for the same reason avoided any,remarks on the general
question of Reform.

Mr. Secretary BOURNE agreed with the Hen. and
Learned Gent., as to the guilt of Penryn, but he differed
from him as to the degree of that guilt, and on that ground
he opposed the proposition of the Noble Lord (J. Russell).
If he was satisfied that all, or the great majority of the
electors of Penryn had been guilty of bribery and corrup-
tion, he would vote at once for transferring the elective
franchise to another place.. He felt the objections that ap-
plied to the proposition for opening it to the hundreds ;
and if he could have transferred it without working what
he deemed an injustice to those who had not partaken of
the evil practices, he would have adopted that remedy._
The corruption had not extended, according to the evi-
dence, to above one-half of the whole number. Ile could
not, therefore, consent to take away a valuable franchise
from two or three hundred persons who had not been of-
fenders. He wished to punish the guilty, without, if pos.;
sible, involving the innocent. He granted, that by opening
the hundred to a certain degree, some of the electors would
be punished for offences, in the commission of which they
had not participated. But ha preferred that course as alto-
gether the freest from objection.
The House then proceeded to, a division, and the num
bers wera—.

Ayes 124
Noes 69

Majority for the amendment 55
ELECTION EXPENCES BILL.
Lord ALTHORP moved the third reading of the Eke-
don Expences Bill.
Mr. CALCRAFT opposed the Bill, as be was not aware
that it had ever been discussed : and as it disqualified a num-
ber of persons, such as Counsel, Agents, Attornies, Con-
stables, and others, who ought not to be deprived of their
elective franchise on the mare ground of receiving fees for
their professional services. The Bill conveyed an unme-
rited reflection upon Barristers and other professional mea,
who, so far from deriving any extraordinary emolument from
their services at elections, were rather losers than gainers on
those occasions, inasmuch as their time might, in general,
be more profitably employed. The measure would tend to
do away with all the gaiety, and destroy all the spirit of
elections, and render them dull, monotonous, puritanical
assemblies. He was no advocate for disorder at elections ;
he did not vindicate the propriety of breaking heads on
those occasions ; but he maintained that the constitutional
exercise of the rights of electors ought to be characterised
by a certain degree of cheerfulness and spirit.
Mr. H. GURNEY expressed his intention of moving
that this Bill be read a third time that day six months.—
Many of the grounds of disqualification in this Bill had
been declared illegal in Ireland, yet the penalties were easily
evaded. If agents were disqualified for receiving fees, all
that could be effected by this Bill would be, that the fees
would be paid to them after the election. This was Irish
Legislation, and from Irish Legislation God deliver the
electors of England. The effect of this Bill, if it were
passed into a law, would be to render an English election
as demure as a Methodist love feast: There was a most
extraordinary clause in this Bill, disqualifying any man
who had a ribbon upon his person from voting, and ren-
dering him liable, if he ventured to vote in a ribbon, to a
penalty of 101. He could scarcely conceive any thing more
objectionable than such a clause, if it were possible to carry
it into execution. He had, however, already received a
letter from an electioneering agent, assuring him that he
saw very clearly how every clause in Lord Althorp's Bill
might be evaded. He was of opinion that any City or
County in England might, if proper means were devised,
be polled in two days. Conceiving that the Bill would
unnecessarily go to disfranchise a gre-t number of voters,
and that every one of its provisions was mischievous,
frivolous, and absurd, he felt it his duty to move
that the Bill be read a second time this day three months.
Mr. SPRING RICE defended the provisions of the
Bill, and declared that there was nothing contained in it
which could possibly disfranchise a single individual. The
Bill provided merely that no canvasser, fiddler, flagman,
or messenger was to be employed for money ; but he might
engage himself in any of these capacities for the benefit of
the candidate, if he chose to do so without demanding any
recompense. He concluded, by declaring his intention to
support the Bill, if the Hon. Member pressed his amend-
ment to a division.
Sir R. WILSON thought the Hon. Member (Mr. Gur-
ney) had committed a slight mistake, when he said that
the wearing of ribbons at elections prevented the necessity
of swearing in many constables. He would ask him to
look at the late proceedings at Coventry, the city where
ribbons were made, and he would find that the wearing of
ribbons did not prevent the most disgraceful riots.
Mr. R. GORDON thought the Bill an instance of very
petty Legislation, which would tend to increase rather than
decrease the expence of Elections. There was one clauae,
providing that no person was to wear these favours, or do
any of these things, for six months before the Election,
which would be thought so comprehensive, that it would
lead to a thousand inconsistencies. The Treating Act had
created more expence than any which was incurred before
its enactment ; and he was convinced the provisions of the
present Bill would have the, same effect: Under this im-
pression he would vote for the Amendment.
Lord ALTHORP defended the Bill, and declared he
knew several instances of the employment of seven hundred
constables, at an election. He concluded by declaring, that
he had heard no reason which could prevent him from
pressing his Bill to a third reading.
The House then divided—.
For the Third Reading, 26 Against it, 10 Majority, 16.
The Committee of Supply was postponed till Friday next.
The Committee of Ways and Means was postponed till
Wednesday next.
Mr. ESTCOURT postponed his measure on the subjact
of Alehouses, till Thursday next.
SLAVE TRADE IN THE BRAZILS.
Mr. HERRIES obtained leave to bring in a Bill to carry
into effect the provisions of the Treaty with the Govern-
ment of Brazil, relative to the Slave Trade.
The remaining Orders were then postponed, and the
House adjourned at Half-past One o'clock till Wednesday.

MAJORITY AN.
tO OP LORD ♦LTHORP'S
XPENCES •T RLECTIO)
MAJORITY.
Hume, Joseph Smith, W.
Jephson, C. 0. Talmash, J.
Kennedy, T. F. Tennyson, C.
Wilson, Sir It
Lombe, E. Wood, J.
Maxwell, John 'Wynn, R
Palmer, R.
Palmerston, Vise.
Robinson, Sir G.
Shelley, Sir T.
MINORITY.
Courtenay, P. Gordon, It.
Forbes, Sir C. Herries, J. C.
Gordon, Captain Lowther, Viscount
Grant, Right Hn. C. Petit,
Grant, R.
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LIST OF THE
ON THU THIRD RRADIN,

D MINORITY
BILL POR PRZYENTING

Corbett, Panto's.
DaTies, Col.
Dneaine, M.
Easthope,- J.
Estcourt, J.
Elliot, Lord
Fleming, John
Graham, Sir J.
Gilbert, D.

TELLERS.
Althorp, Viscount
Rice, T. S.

Gran;, Sir A.

181a"eY, Admiral

TE14,E1113.
Calcraft, John
, Graves, Lord
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A dry old chip of a carpenter, who has num-
bered upwards of four score summers in Chiches-
ter and its suburbs, when fencing off a partition
of his garden, was accosted by a gentleman with
" Hey ! Richard, what are you about ?" He
replied with a smile, " What I ought to be
ashamed of at my time of life, sir ; I'm railing
against my neighbours.--Hants Chronicle.

BRAHAM.—AII must acknowledge that Bra-
ham's voice is of the finest quality, of great
power, and, occasionally, sweetness. It is equally
certain that he has great knowledge of music, and
can sing extremely well. It is therefore the
more to be regretted that he should ever do
otherwise, that he should ever quit the natural
register of his voice by raising it to an unpleasant
falsetto, or force it by too violent exertion : that
he should depart from, a good style, and correct
taste, which he knows and can follow as well as
any man, to adopt at times, the over-florid and
fritted Italian manner ; at others to fall into the
coarseness and vulgarity of the English. The
fact is, that he can be two distinct singers accord-
ing to the audience before whom he performs,
and that to gain applause he condescends to sing
as ill at the play-house as he had done well at
the opera. His compositions have the same
variety, and he can equally write a popular noisy'
song for the one, or its very opposite for the
other. A duetta of his introduced into the opera
of " Gli Orazi," sung by himself and Grassmi,
had great beauty, and was in excellent taste.--.-
Musical Reminiscences.