The Sun.
London, England, 1820-09-05 00:00:00

sworn.

Q. Are you an inhabitant of Como ?—A. I am.
Do you know the Princess of Wales do.
Do you remember when she lived at the Villa
d'Este ?---I do.

Have you ever seen her on the Lake of Como
in a small boat ?—Many times.
Who was with her on those occasions ?—Ber-
gami. •
Do you know the river. Brescia ?—I do.
Have you ever seen the Princess and Bergami on
that river ?—I have.

'What have you seen them about there ?—I have
seen them in a little canoe near to a little gate to
prevent the water from overflowing the country.
What were they doing there ?—I have seen
first the canoe empty, then, after a moment, T,
have seen Bergami and the Princess enter it.
Where were they coming from ?—They came
from this .flood-gate.-
Describe this flood-gate ?—[The witness then ,
described the river as being confined by a bank,
to prevent the laud from being overflowed.]
- Where were they when you, first saw them ?
They were coming towards the canoe.
Was that the only time you saw them in this
river ?—I have seen them several times.
How were they dressed when you saw them,
at the time to which you allude I—Both alike.
'What kind of dress ?—I cannot tell whether it
was linen or silk.
Could you see whether they had been in the
water or not ?—Mr. DENMAN Objected to this as
a leading question.
The Loan CHANEELLQR—Ask whether their
clothes appeared to .be wet ? The question was
put to the witness.—They seemed to be wet, but
I cannot tell whether they were dry or wet be-
cause I did not touch them.
Did they get into the canoe where he saw
there?—They did. •
Which way did they go?—They came down
a small canal towards the river.
What small canal ?—A small canal that came
into the Brescia. ,
Do you recollect whereabouts they were when
you first saw them ?—I saw them the first time
leaning against the bank.
Was there any water where they were stand-
ing I—There was a little water, not much.
How muchl—About a yard deep. _

When he first saw them- were they standing in
the water ?-•I saw them leaning against the
bank, and then they walked towards the boat.
Was the water where they were standing used
for bathing ?—Many gentlemen go there to
bathe, because the land is good and the water is
clear.

When he first saw the Princess and Bergami
at that place were they standing in the water• or
not ?—They were in the water, but they came
out immediately as soon as they saw me.

How was the Princess- in the lower part of
her dress ?—She had loose trowsers that reached
to her feet.

Mr. DENMAN declined asking the witness any
questions, and he withdrew.

Giorani Lucine.

Q. Do you come from the Lake of Como ?
A. Yes.

What trade are you ?—A washer.
Were you employed in the service of the Prin
cess at the Villa d'Este ?-1 was.

Did you ever see* Bergami with the Princess in
a coach ?—Yes.

Do you remember working near the Tower o.
the Villa d'Este ?—Yes.

Did you see the Princess and Bergami there ? Yes.
What were they doing?—They were sitting.
After you saw them what did they do ?—They
went into an adjoining cabinet.
Was there any other person with them ?—No.
In what way did they walk to the cabinet ?
They merely got up, he took her by the arm.
Did you then see where his arm was ?—No.
Do you know the room at the Villa d'Este
which was Bergami's ?—I do.
Did you see Bergami in that room any morn-
ing through the window ?—Yes.

How Was be dressed ?—lie had on a morning
gown of a lead colour.

What time in the morning ?—Early.
Did you see the Princess in thht room ?-Yes
Bow was she dressed ?—ln white.
What were they doing ?—They were so.

[Here the witness made a motion of his hodit
which conveyed no meaning at alt.]
What do you mean ?—(=They were looki,ag
down ; I observed nothing else. • • -
How leg were ey at the Window?-04.1.t$
sk .
e ?-ou ever the Theatre at th 4 Vills
d'Este ?—Yes.
Who performed there ?—The Princess Was
singing, and Bergami was playing on an instrument'

Cross-examined by Mr. DENMAN.
Q. Did you not say, at Milan, that yon knot
nothing on this subject, but wished for a journal
to London ?----A. I have been examined at Milao•
Mr. DENMAN did not press the question.
Questions put by Earl GREY.
dl5 not the carriage, or carriage or vehicle -
which you spoke, very common in the country.
Yes.

It is a carriage for one person only besides tbt
driver ?—Yes.

Can two persons sit side by side in it ?—No.
Is it not the custom of the country for the pe
son to sit on the Knees of the driver ?—Yes.

Havw you not often seen it done ?—Yes.
The witness was then withdrawn.

Carlo Ralagi called in and sworn.

Examined by Mr. ATTORN EY-G EN LIT A
Q. Were you ever in the service of the Prince'
of Wales ?—A. Yes.

For how long ?--Almost three years.
What ,vas your situation ?--Confectionar.
'here did you eater her service ?—At tb

Do you know Bergami ?—I do.
When you were at Villa d'Este have you eV
seen the Princess and Bergami together i Often'
What was their conduct towards each other
when they were together ?
Question objected to by Mr. DENMAN.--114
contended, that the question was too swetpiug
its nature. " Conduct," being the sum 01,
amount of individual acts, and questions shoula
be asked as to these individual acts.

Mr. ATTORNEY-GENERA L contended, that
had a right to put the question.
The LORD CHANCELLOR suggested a_mosll6'
cation of the question, thus :—What did you so'
them do have seen nothing but their wall"
ing together.
How did, they walk together. I—As if thei.
were husband and wife, or old friends.
How were their arms ?—They were arm in art*
Did you go with the Princess to the Vill*
Grande at Rome ?—Yes.

Was it your duty to prepare the Princeo
breakfast ?—Yes.

Da you recollect ever seeing Bergarni one
morning while you were preparing breakfast ? Yes'
What time in the morning did you usually
see him?—Sometimes at nine, sometimes earlier,
Do you remember'on either of those occasi©o
seeing where 13ergatni came from ?—From
room.

Did you ever see him coining from any °the
room than his own ?—No.

Didion accompany the Princess to Pesaro?
Do you remember seeing the Princess au'
Bergami together there ?-1 do.

What did' they do ?—They were going to Nval.,
Had the Princess any birds?—She had
nightingale.
Do you remember carrying meat to tb.
nightingale I—Yes.
Dolan recollect seeing-the Princess and )3er
gami on that occasion ?—Yes.
Did you then observe them doing any thing
—I observed they were kissing each other.
Did you bear the Princess say any thing 0
Bergami ?—She said—" Do not remain so lent
mO7l C (cur ."
At Capricia, do you recollect Bergami doing
any thing ?—Yes.
Have you ever heard Bergami call his sere
from his window ?—Many times.
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At these times did you see the Princess •
where ? I have seen the Princess in his room twicf;
Have you been present when the Princess
down to breakfast ?—I always was.
Was any one with her?—She came with Oer'
gami under, her arm. •

Cross-examined by Mr. WlLLisms.
You were constantly in the house ? —Yes.
• Francisco Cassina sworn.
Examined by Mr. Puue.—Q. What country are you 0
A. Como.

Of what trade are you ?—A mason. •
Did you work at the Villa d'Este
Whilst the Princess of Wales was there?—l was
Do you know Bergaini 1-1 do.
How long hare you known him ?
In what situation was he when you knew him ?—‘filet.
Did he wait at table ?—Yes.
Do you recollect where he slept when the Princess ret 61°4
frnn► Greece ?—I do. b-eC''

Do you know of any alteration that was made io his
room at that time?-1 opened • dour.
Wcre you tmployed to open that door ?—I was. i• c
Do you know if any change took place boat that time
the hed-room of the Prince.s ?—I do.
What alteration was it ?--Sbe changed a few days
from where she was first, to the room advancing where'
&tor was made. oer
After the door was made bow-could a pi rson go "Tipp ,
gami's room to the Princess's ?—Through a small coin co%
Before that door was made, how would a prrson have tt),`;.o4
—You must have gone Icy the staircase, throng)) the
saloon, then a corridor, then the anti-roosn, Bergards
to the room of the Princess.

Cross-examined 4y .31.1:. DEsmA
This door then was an old one, and not a new one Ws -
the first time ?—lt was an old one.

Guiseppe Rastelli szzarn.
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the Priocess of Wales ?—A. 1 have hero. aftcr
wl•-• Lust as under servant, and

...tt what capacity.•—r.
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Where dot you first enter into her service
the Villa d'E,te.
hen?—At the latter end of Aitvist, i£o6.
How long did you continue in her service ?Ti"
her, tsi7. „c,te•
- NVhere was she living at that time ?—At the Villa u
Was Bergami t he, e then ?--,Yes. 3 Or
Did you ever see Bergand ride with the Princestil
1-aLfe?Yes. of il‘r
How slid the ride or sit ?—She tat.upoo the litters
gami. of o)°°.
Did you ever see her Royal Highness on the Lai"'
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—Yes. t iq
Have you ever seen her Royal IliLliness Title on
oilier cal riage ?--Yes almost ;:vciy day. it 'Caf
Did you ever see Bergamt with a blue cloali
a piesent.
Did y. it ever see him ride out with it ?—Yeg•
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How was the cloak used on that occasion ?---•'-ojitf
her Royal Highness's neck, and the !weer' etc
round Bygatui.

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tib° YOU remember the Princess ever going in her carriage
the road to Farma ?—Yes.
Did id you go with her did.
an
ooyuostetrrvelmber approaching the carriage at any time,
vretntpack and
i the
rPrincess and Bergami in it ?—I do, but I
4u You tak ga
e any notice of where the hand of the Princess
Was --I did.
here was it ?—ln the small clothes of Mr. Bergami.
td _tld.You see momentancly ?—I saw it distinctly; I was asham-
titoautktlie when I came to tfre door.
now Catolien ?—I do.
rate You remember the Princess at any time driving out to
Bergami ?—I do.
LiZelYou remember on one occasion when Bergami had been
t three days ?—Yes.
her Royal Highness go oat to meet him ?—She did.
bijd she return again before she met him ?—She did.
whetyou lee Bergami ?—I saw bins directly after we turned.
wilLat was Bergami in ?—ln his travelling carriage.
"at did Bergami do when he cause up with her Royal
tp iKhn )
th„ess .—Bergami dismounted from his carriage, and ran
~,-"bf the Princess, and 511 e descended also,
tile; *nbeterms did siae address him ?—I did not hear; but
dilPu o each other, and kissed.each other.
wLYou hot hear any expressions ?—I heard neon cAer anti.
Ilrib ...It did they do after this ?—They took each other by the
DD and went into the same carriage ; . it was dark then.
.....I_7ott remember the little Victorina at the Villa d'Este ?
faW did she address the Princess ?—She called her Mamma.
le what manner did the Princess speak to her ?—She called
,asa petite fille
ttDlaYntr
e ver eve
see been awife of Bt the Barona.?
Yontheßergami there ?—.I have, but
4 tilde
T, when the Princess was nut there.
Abe 4 you ever see her when the Princess was there ?—No;
%,,vvas there once whilst her Royal Highness was arriving,
lithrn they all went away.
it:'l3Br'slaN.—That was in the absence of the Princess.
,717 r. DENMAN' then commenced his Cross-exa-
,Tation. Tell him to speak louder.
k
e."' When were you dismissed from the service of the Prin-
s%
were you discharged foratealing corn ? —No..
Ys not that. the charge on which you were dismissed

WI • •
!Ivo -Lat were you discharged for ?—Because I gave leave to
We,.nleu.lo gu to the inn, and Louis wanted to stop them.
tiaes-ten they complained to me of it, I said I never knew the
net'crLrs should be thilf-takers. .
`he Interpreter explained, that the expression used by wit-
' meant a low kind of Constable.]
eiirhe day after Louis came to me and paid me three months'
aer,?'
w which was due to me. I told hint I was an honest man,
aed -tight not to be among such villains ; took the money
Then
awa.
The Ter You were never charged during the time Is! yon were in
der P...." of the Princess, with stealing the horses' proven-
was
°t
dul et
4 ,k
litean were you charged before a Magistrate, but
wes nut charge made by any person of the family ?—lt
YOu
41" C ) "." to that as you do to all the rest of your evi-
/toe,,'"--t do.
foe never said to any body that you had been discharged.
13,,.,ea1,ing corn never did ; I never tell a lie.
out In-„► ne mean to say that he never tells a lie, or never with-
Lac,"ug well paid for it ?—(Order, order.)
No. You understand English ?—No.
;,„"t an ?—No;
leste4r-da', ytnig have you been in England I.—The day before
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long is it • v knew of the Commission at Milan?
"'aids the end or December 1818.
Let
tit 1GW,..71.1, that time and the time of your leaving the service
t) mess, were you ins any other service .7-No.
aby did you support yourself in the ean time ?—I have
"firt!'ion front the Government, and I antra courier.
birt what Government ?—The Government of Italy.
th, You offer yourself to the Milan Commission, or did
aot ei:h° Pay your expences ask you to go there P—l have
I en at Milan for that purpose; I have my house there;
Isettled there.
,tatij„tt ""I ask you if you live at Milan ;—did you go vol;un-
to the Commissioners, or were you requested to g
rre e„ ?—1 was sought after.
of . u sought after .
the sought after youfirst time I was told by a man
an f P•;eanti to go to Vihnacarti the Advocate.
Is h. o ss
ii"lgatoi a tobacconist ?—l-le
soon after Kiganti spike to you did you go to the
otni ,
110 ,:.Toners I—l was only spoken to by Riganti first.
(le .afttrung after that did you gu where he told you ?—The
,ii,tlitaLitl.sl;eore any body with the Advocate the first time you
the Advocate then take down yoor deposition I—No.
s°`" after did you go before the Commissioners ?—I
ti re a day or two.
niter' thaitY Persons were there present ?—The Advocate,
gentlemen, and two Italian writers.
I did: You then tell the same story you have told to day ?
wet it taken down in writing ?—lt was.
tee bre You sworn to speak the troth ?—They did not swear
4t told me 1 was to swear to the truth of what I said he-
Tribnnal.
Did You kiss your ci oss ?—No.
`-qau Y°d not *then become the most active agent of the
ICI ,rhattission ?
isSotacrroa-Gevense objected to this question.
atren.',ENt4AN.—lever mind Wei e you not a very active
Lie eel" the Commission ?—I seas not an agent. They gave
The ers as a -.;ourier, which was my profession,.
'--lete You were employed as a Courier by that Commission ?
WCre did you first go in that capacity ?—lnto Westphalia,.
`O5 ere did You go to there ?—I went to Cassel, to a man of
biltate of Predi, to ask bins to conic to Milan.
bid You Yourself persuade Predi to go to Milan ?—I did.
Wh.Yon not offer him money to go did nut.
tate 41 did you say to induce him to go ?—1 said, the Advo-
%enrio,at Milan wanted him, and that both his expenses in
Wt and returning would be paid.
'441/efrit did you g:next ?—Mr. Cook requested me to go to
hoert with dispatches.
hA'llo.9d You see at Frankfort ?—I saw Predi.
t;seer?.—l saw Brieeson at a distance, but I did not
wh 19°,4 h e 1---She was a maid in the service of tine Princess
nbid .4.4 t Went into it.
4SW it?'" Ste any other witness at Frankfort ?—1 did not.
ht %Wail Itt e!ti an by chance at the lon where I went. I did
net..
ltd jtan go hack with Mr. Cook to Milan ?—I did.
`c was the next journey ou made as courier ?-4 went
1141:0T,i1Wniith dispatches for Lord Stewart, and hack.
Atima ten that the dispatches were for Lord Stewart,
4stiad "odor at Vienna, or Sir Charles Stewart, the Am-
p at Paris ?—I mean' Sir C. Stewart, the Ambassador
qr:
til;ltYliketireutellZtit next go upon this business I—l do not eV.-
The "W where, but I made several small journies.
was repeated.—l do not know any particular
dO li'ler; lately I have come to England with eleven
Weelea"'
iti%deyY:l2 ever at Vienna ?—I have not.
4i
the „II any other means of getting your bread after you
%said% ih,,tfieof the Princess ?—Yes, I have a pensions ;_ and
v_"J 'carry on my trade as a roachmaken.
i:otser's ," Know who first recommended you to the Commis-
the --Nobody `ovocaterecommended me ; but when I spoke to
Of. 4Yo ta fie told me to speak tine truth.
knoll' Eurico Rovizzo ?—I do not ; not that I know
t
‘-tk recollect •
vOn,,, a man of Lodi I—l do not
.kri„osivielviiem.
aest?: J.,ansred any body money for coniln, as a
to ale you %e not.
~•-..prea, 91 persuaded several persons besides Predi to
121c.,Y0u k„ not tonne with roe.
Ts You
1'14: v Angoltna Dragoni ?-1 do.
ever try to persuade him to crone here as a wit-
o W%l;iaYetr4 , have spoken to him in confidence, but I never
hen did '0 make him conie against the Princess.
hue q,„ Yon
•so of
„I leave Milan to conic hoe I—The first time
I you bring
une,
‘l7hnot your father, wife, and children, with font ?-
11(111. at are You to have for coining ?—They promised use
tietbhat do
arm expect to have ?—Nothing. They offered me
w°llYoumean to
to expect.
to swear you expect nothing ?—I do.
kirt4e are
the Persons who mune with you to England 1—
w, e 0%; sonie I do not know ;—some of these I do
Jeea„_
it" ou ere we came together ; I never saw them before.
°re • / tuiry roil do know ?—I only knew them by sight
-
411 ar " acquaintance with them, no intimacy.
thev
d •—%Jf souse I can't say ; others I do not
Cale he d ant him to tell what Inc does not know,—who are
"I' know
-enl b. • "", iie witness entioned several names.
-4181aud, do you known —I do not know.

Is the maid ierrant whom you saw at Frankfort here ?
She is.

Do you know Ciceri ?—I do not know her. •
Ciceri; he is a man ; du you know him ?—No.
Have you ever seen Colonel Brown ?;—I have.
Where did you see him ?--At his house, when I Went to
take letters and dispatches.
Were you in any other service after you left the Princess?
In no otherexcepting my employment as a Courier.
Have you never sought after Dragoni was sometimes
looking after him, as we were friends ; but never on this bu-
siness; he was sometimes asking for use.
You never offered him money ?—I did not.
Yon have never said any body would give him money for his
testimony ?—I have not.
Do you know Colonel Vassali ?—I know him, but he was
not a Colonel, he was a Captain.
Did you see him some time after you left the Princess ?—I
did.

Had you any conversation with him respecting the cause of
your discharge P—l had.
Did you not tell him any thing about the corn?—l did not
say Cu. I only said I was discharged because I called them
thief-takers.

You said nothing more to him 2—l do not remember that
I sAid any thing more like this.
You did not tell him the charge was false 1-1 did not. I
only said I was discharged for what I said, and which it is
true I did say.
%Vas it an open carriage in which you saw the Princess ang
Bergauti, when you saw her hand as you have described
It was a carriage for two, with the top open; there was an
apron in front, but itdid not reach further than here.—(Wit-
ness described the distance.)--The moment I came to ask fur-
ther orders, the hand was withdrawn in that part which was
uncoVer,d.

Was the part you saw the hand on above the apron ?—I
say the apron did nut reach as far; there was only a cloak to
corer that.,

Row far were you beyond the carriage before you turned
back to receive orders Z—About the distance of from here to
that pillar—(pointing to a pillar in their Lordships' house.)
I think you say, you were in the habit of stopping at that
place to receive orders which way to gu ?-;;Not always;
sometimes received orders at setting out.
When you had not, you went hack to receive them at this
place ?—Not always ; it was only two or three times that the
Princess gave orders there.
But you had stopped once, twice, or three times, to receive
orders there ?—The Princess has given orders there; but this
occasion was the first time of which she did so.

Did you sea the hand of the Princess on Beigami as you
mentioned, distinctly?—Very distinctly. I saw the Princess
take away her laid and I was ashamed to see her do so.
What o'clock was this ?—Two, or half-past.
111 a public road ?—Yes.
On which side was the Princess sitting ?—The Princess was
on the left; Beigami was on the right driving the horses.
Whom did you hi st tell this story to ?—I never told it to
any body till I told it to the Commission.
How lung was that after you saw it —Eleven months, or
a year.
Tell us what month it was in that you saw this ?—I don't
know precisely, but it must have been the end of November
or beginning of December.
In what year
Who was living at the Villa at that time ?—There. was Ma-
joeci and Francois.
I want to know those he was most intimate with ?—I did
not have any intimate friends, because I was the chief, and
did not give any confidence to any one.
Ask whether the Princess did nut remove her hand as soon
as she saw him ?—She did.

How long after was it that she turned you away ?—I don't
know precisely, a moat h or six weeks.
Lord LIVERPOOL—The witness says he had a pension from
the Italian Government; on what occasion was that pension
granted ?-1 received it on account of seven or eight years'
service in the Republic of Genoa.
When did you first receive it ?.—ln 1815, but it was granted
in 1814.

Does the present Government of Milan renew your pen-
sion ?—Ycs.
What is the amount of it ?—aGo litres.
Lord bitunsavALa—When the witness went up to the car-
riage of the Princess, to ask which road he was to take, did
he get any answer ?—Yes, I was told to the causeway, and to
the right hand side.
Who gave him that order-?—The Baron.
Was that order given before you saw the Piincess's hand
or not I—At the moment I saw the hand, the Baron said, to
the causeway.
Then he received the order, ar.d saw what he has commu-
nicated at the same moment heard the order and went
directly.
Guisseppi Galli sworn and examined by Mr.