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London, England, 1842-07-16 00:00:00

On the motion that the MI. d:, pass,
The Duke of WELLINGTON ruse to coterratoate
their Lordships upon the unanimity which had mani-
fested itself ou the present occcasion. Ile was convinced
it would give the greatest satisfaction, not only in the
highest quarter, • but thrmittliont the whole country.—
(Hear, hear.) It was ith very deep regret that
heard of the misfortun.• which ha,Thappeued iii a
neighbouring country, and he was sure they would all
concur with him in expressing greet concern and grief
at the melancholy event.--( Hear.) --
The Bill then passed.
MINES AND COLLERIES BILL.

The Bishop of GLOUCESTER presented a petition
from the inhabitants of Westminste r in favour ef this Bill.
NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND).
Lord CARBERY presented several petitions from
I various places in Ireland, complaining of the wanner in
which the grant for 'national educa:ion in Ireland was
appropriated.
The Earl of CLANC/RTY would take advantage of
the presentation of those petitions of the Noble Lord to
draw their Lordship,' attention to the sevrnth Report of
the Conunissioners of Education, in which, after stating
that they had established a model farm at Glasniven,
they declared that no assistance would be afforded to any
institutions, in the way of agricultural instruction, unless
they were in connection with some elementary national
school. If that rule were acted on, many persons in
Ireland would be deprived of the benefit of the model
farm. He approved of the institution of the model
farm.: but he did not approve of the benefit being con-
fined to institutions connected with the national schools.
lie did not think that the Commissioners of Education
ought to have the monopoly of the Parliamentary grant,
and he considered the granting of public money for the
purpose of instruction in husbandry and agriculture, was
an invasion of the province of the Royal Dublin Society,
which was incorporated for the specific purpose of pro-
moting instruction in arts, agriculture, and manufactures.
He hoped their Lordships would not allow the thirst for
agriculttiral education, which now prevailed, to be made
a means of forcing on the people any particular system of
religious or literary education. The present system had
not been successful, it bad not given satisfaction to either
Roman Catholics or Protestants. He therefore hoped
that if the Parliament chose to grant any additional sum
fbr the education of the Irish poor, it would be on a sys-
tem more liberal and extended than the present, which
placed the Established Church in the position of a dis-
senting body.
Lord CLONCURRY said, that under the old system
of-education the children eure twist to detest the reli-
gion of their parents. In consequence of that, a society
-was established in Dublin, and he (Lord Cloncurry) was
one of the first subscribers, for the purpose of introducing
a new system of education. The present - system was
-,upported by the heads of the Cluireil in Ireland, and by
tMe majority of the people. This they would see by the
returns cm the table. They Owed the people of Ireland
a large debt of education, as they hall made it a capital
punishment fur teachers to instruct the people, and this
c,mtinued for upwards of half a century.
Lord MONTEAGLE said, in the speech of the Noble
Earl (Clancarty) he had divided ibe subject into two
questions ; the question ,if the agricultural schools and
the natiorad schools. Nothing was more important than
an agricultural education to the people of Ireland. Ile
was sure that the Government, in introducing that edu-
cation, would endeavour to do so in the most practicable
manner possible. If their national schools required al-
teration in their principle. which he did not believe they
,I;(1,1et they:: alter the principles ; hut if they se: up Pro-
testant schools in Ireland, he would say that they would
render every national school now established a distinct
Roman Catholic school. (The Noble Lori was here in-
terrupted by the announcement of a message from the
Commons.)
PROTECTION TO HER MAJES FY.
The message from Use Commons. antio ;need that they
had agreed to the amendments to the B.il entitled " An
Act for further providing for the security and protection
of her Majesty.' The message also brought up, the
Military Savings Bank Bill, Witnesses Indemnity Bill,
and a variety of other Bills.
Lord MONTEAGLE continued—When Sir Robert
Peel was Secretary for Is:44nd, he recommended the
necessity of bringing together all classes of the c smntt-
nity in one common 'school. Many of the Noble Lerds
who were in favour of this double education,.complained
of. the College of Maynooth ; but what would they say
if every one of the schools now in existence should be-
come a little Maynooth ? He was strongly of opinion
that no grant should be allowed towards the establish-
ment of these schools, as the present national schools •
were open alike to Protestants and Catholics.
The Archbishop of ARMAGH stated that the reading
of the Scriptures .was forbidden in the-national schools
in Ireland, and that was a stropg reason why Protest-
ants objected to send their children to these schools.
They did not mix at all. In Armagh there was one
Protestant and one Roman Catholic national school ;
in Drogheda there were five national schools, and there
was not a single Protestant at one of them. He did
not know What- the Protestant religion had done that
they should not have Protestant schools in Ireland ; and
he did hope that the Government would take measures
to establish Protestant schools in that country.
The Earl of WICKLOW supp- rted the prayer of the
petition. He was firmly convinced that the present sys-
tem would not afford'a united education, which was in-
tended should be the case when the schools were esta-
blished.
The Earl of CLONCURRY explained.
The Bishop of NORWICH was, of opinion that there
was a fallacy in the statement of his; Right Reverend
Friend that the Scriptures were not- admitted info the
national schools in Ireland. He had carefully examined
the hooks used in the schools in Ireland and England.
and he believed as large a portion of the- Scriptures was
to be found in use in the Irish as could be in the English
national schools.