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ships' attention foe a short tinie. ha, us, so, istissymr,
.he had no complaint to make if the manner in which,
these allusions had boo maden Borers, it his intention. to
enter into any.verbal criticism, or tonontrovert the inter-
pretation which the Noble Lord had put upon the letter
of his Right Honourable Friend ; neither would he now
defend the misconception under which he had ',re-
posed the elausv. „ Adopting as he did, and being respon-
sible, as he untiosolitaci:Ss partly was, for the Resolution
upon which this Bill s ss lenSeded, he was bound to say,
that he received without distrust Ste:
explanation given by
the Noble Lortiest tine intention of his ;24:ht Hon. Friend.
(Mr. Huskisson) es expressed in his letter's
But, though
he approved of the principle of the measure, sstA, there ap-
peared to him to be something objectionable in the 1p de ire
which that principle was to be brought into operation; u"
it was in order to supply that defect that he had propned
the clause in question. Allusion had been made by the Noble
Lord to the first and last paragraphs in the letter of hie.
Right Hon. Friend, which he (the Duke of W.) had not
read to the House. This subject had been already referred.
to in a delicate mariner by a Noble Friend of his (Lord Re-
desdale) and it was not probable aat he would hare read
to their Lordships the letter of alislernber of the other House
upon a question affecting the privileges of this, more par-
ticularly as he tl etglit at the time that he was making a.
proposition to which his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. F. -
kisson) had assented. That hie Right Hon. Friend had
assented to Some tencession tended further to fortify him
in the impression that the present supporters of this
measure entertained apprehensions for its success in the
House. His' Noble Friend (Lord (loderich) had sled
that the _explanation rnly applied to boitded corn ; but
lie invited his Noble Friend to read the letter again- He
(the Duke of. Welliogtou) vas ready to admit that he
was in error with respect to the teeming Of hie .Rlght
Hon. Friend's letter ; but he assured their Lordships,
in bringing forward the amendment for their ceeeideratintes
he sincerely thought he was expressing the sentiments
ctir
that Rig}, Hon. Gentleman. His Noble Friend had mis-
taken his object in proposing this clause. He had pro-
posed it, because he wished to put_ a cheek upon the wen.-
housing system, and thsough that system to prevent frauds
which were practised upon the averages. if their Lord-
ships referred to the report of the evidence taken before the
Committee last year, they would find all the witnesses
agreeing in opinion, that so far as the present system of
warehousing was permitted, it was impossible to prevent
the frauds upon the averages.—(Hear.)—The manner in
which these frauds were practised, was clearly spoken to
by the witnesses.. A speculator commits a fraud upon the
averages by buying up British corn, and having done so,
and having by that fraud raienti the averages to a price
to answer his speculation, he then puts his corn into
bond, in order to realise the profit which he has gained.
Upon that principle, he (the Duke of W.) was opposed to
the warehousing system. The checking diet system was
the only way of putting a stop to the frauds upon the ave-
rages. But he had never intended that the clause ehoold
have the effect of extinguishing warehousing altogether,
and still less did he intend that it should amount to a p:G-
hibition.—(Hear.)—ile did not feel himself called upon t?
make any apology for having proposed the clause, which,
as it was now shown to have been inconsistent with the po-
licy of the Bill, itself, he did not feel warranted in pressing.
But though he was stopped from proposing this clause, :le
saw no reason why Govei rinent should not adopt the
suggestion, and make it a part of the Bill in the other
House..—(Hear.)---If the Noble Lord would give any
pledge to that effect, he (the Duke of W,) would withdraw
this ansendnisat altogether. He was quite convinced that
something ought to be done to check the vices of the wares
housing system.--(Hear.)—His Noble Friend had said.
that ties system had its origin in 1773—he (the Dube of
W.) had no objection to restore it to what it was in 1791.
His Noble Friend alluded to the strong recommendation
of the measun that by the Earl of Liverpool, but let
' Noble Lords see spun what different bases that and the
present proposition stood. In l 791 core was not allowed
to be warehoused here but upon payment of a duty of
up to a certain prim, hs. 6d. to another price, and 6s. 6d.
to a third price. Corn was then allowed to ne taken eliS
of the warehouse, not only upon payment of the 24s , the
middle or low duty, but also upon payment of 2s. 6d. be-
fore it could be takes out of the warehouse.—( Hear, hear.)
This continued to be the law from 1791 to 1814, when
the duty wits further raised. By allowing the duty to be
collected upon corn in the usual way, the glut could be
prevented. Having n.w gone through the Bill, he had
no intention of pressing this amendment, but he thought
some measure of the same nature ought to be proposed by
the Government, and if some pledge was given of a return
to the s rinciple of the Bill of 1.791, he was willing to
withdraw his amendment.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord HOLLAND—I have no hesitation in saying, tut
Lords, that the clause which has been added to this Bill in
the Committee, is so utterly subversive of the princi-
ple of the measure, that it seems almost impossibie to ate
count for its having been so added, unless it were the inten-
tion of the Committee to defeat the ()eject of the Bill. Had
this Amendment, if amendment it 'an 1,, called, proceeded
:som any other quarter, I should certainly have said that
the mere question of this proviso was a question on the
merits of the Bill; and that it was only an indirect, perhaps
not an unusual Parliamentary method of getting rid of the
Bill. The Noble Duke has assured your Lordships, and
am bound to believe him, that he bad no such intention ;
he has declared that he wishes to throw no obstacle in the
way of this measure; but, on the contrary, that he con-
siders himself responsible for the Resolution on which the
Bill is founded, though not for the bill itself. I confess,
my Lords, that in legislation I am somewhat of a mate-
rialist,, and I do not understand that platonic affection which
separates so entirely the principle of the Bill front every
thing that is necessary to carry it into effect. If the Noble
Duke feels so thorough an approbation of the measure it-
self, I confess I caui.ot understand that excessive affection
for the principle and soul, which at the same time totally
disregards the body of the Bill. I remember some versos
which happened lately to fall in my way, and whicti are
riot altogether inapplicable to the Noble Duke's platonic
propensities in legislation. In a poetical dialogue between
the soul and the body, the soul addresses the body very
much in the same way as this Bill may be supposed to ad-
dress the principle as understood by the Noble Duke—
" These distinctions so nice can be scarce understood—
They who wish to divide us can mean us no good,"
I cannot help thinking that they who wish to draw such
nice distinctions between the principle of the Bill and the
Bill itself mean no good to the measure. They take to
themselves the merit of having originally concurred in the
measure—they boast of having dandled the infant and
rocked its cradle ; but by a mistaken kindness they cram
it, when it begins to tough, with this morsel of a provisa,
which is calculated to bring it to an untimely grave.—(A
laugh. )—I think the Noble Duke, considering his paternal
solicitude for the measure under your Lordships' consider-
ation—considering his sincere desire not to throw any ob-
stacle in the way, of its success, must have been a little
startled at witnessing the satisfaction with which his
Amendment was hailed by the Noble and Learned Lord
(Redesdale), who has so consistently, manfully, ..nd con-
stitutionally opposed the whole principle of the Bill; who
sees in this Bill that most horrible, dreadful bugbear, called
Free Trade, with all its direful revolutionary censequencts
—who sees in it the expulsion of Bishops from this House
—who dreads that if this Bill should pass, one of its ine-
vitable results will be, not only that the Bishops should .be
expelled from this House, but that this House itself will be
voted useless and v-xatious.—(A laugh.)—The Noble
Duke, I say, must have been surprised to find his Amend-
ment embraced as a most advantageous proposition by so
determined an enemy of the whole principle of the Bill as
the Noble and Learned Lord. The Not's Duke, too, con-
sidering his great paternal solicitude for the measui ,
must have been surprised to find his Amendment hailed
las such a prodigious advantage by my Noble Friend in
the green ribbon (Lord Lauderdale),' whose great know-
ledge of the subject, and whose extensive researches have
always been directed to the same point.--namely, hostility
to the measure--and who thinks that this Bill is likely to
lead to the loss of our independence, and to lay us at the
feet of the foreigner. When the Noble Duke succeeded in
making this great alteration in the Bill—an alteration
, hear.)—When
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le
which he professes to think essential to the successful ap-
plication of its principle—he must have been surprised to
hear
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thne btetsiisgerllsouosif Lhe(BHielalr se
which, if not actually unprecedented, is certainly most un-
usual Duke saw the way in which his Amendment was received
by the enemies of the Bill—when it became certain that
it was calculated to defeat the whele object of the measure
—it was not, perhaps, too much to expect that the
Noble Duke would have seen his mistake, and that he
would have withdrawn his proviso, instead of persevering,
as he now does, in support of it. The Noble Duke's
clause is directly contrary to the Resolution on which the
Bill is founded.
The Duke of WELLINGTON suggested (we believe)
that no Resolution had been passed in that House.
Lord HOLLAND resumed—No Resolution, in this
House! Well, it was passed in the other Holum of Path*.
ment. The Noble Duke has himself deduce', that he con-
sidered himself resecesible for that Reeolut'son, and that he
the words of the Resolution with the Amendment of the
still adheres to it. I have a right, therefore, to compare
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into
home use. What san's the Annendment 1•»--That the corn
the United Kingdom, shall be tt all times admissible Fir