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"House, whether his words were not more words of charity_ He
than
those which fell from the Hon. Gentleman's lips a
would ask the Hon. Gentleman, supposing that byme.ans of
that collision whieh existed between the Members of the House,
he would say between the extreme voluntaries on his side,
the extreme invuluntaries on the other side—(Laughter)—this
Bill had been defeated, he should like to know what kind of at
Government they had reason to expect from the Government
that would spring from such a connexion —semi-bovemque
`item semi-virumque bovem.—( Laughter.) The Secretary
for the Home Department, in the speech which he made
on a late occasion, did more" good in softening
and conciliating the people of Ireland, than any
speech which had been delivered lately.—(Cheers.) The
feelings of this country had been too subservient to Whig and
there(esheers. ) He would beg to state to the House that
would never be an ultimate settlement of the Irish ques-
tion until the Irish Church was, not subverted, but put on a
different footing.—( Cheers. )
Lord BERNARD rose amid reat confusion, expressive of a
great disinclination on the part of the House to hear. He was
Understood to say that he would not trouble the House at so
late an hour of the evening but for the remarks made by the
Hon. Member who had just sat do en. He referred to a stat He«-
Ment which he (Lord Bernard) made two years ago.
'wished to be allowed to refer to a speech of the Noble Lord the
Member for Sunderland, in which he asked what would be the
fate of the Irish Chnrch, if it were to be determined by
a Parliament existing in Dublin.—( Here the noise became so
great that the Noble Lord, not being able to obtain a hearing,
sat down.
Mr. ELLICE said that he rose to set himself right with the
(House, with respect to a statementrof his Right lion. Friend's
the Secretary for the Home Department), in the course of his
sPeech last night. But before he did so, he wished to say in
a few words that he would g
some
his cordial support to the pre.
sent motion, He should be at see loss to do so,p if he thought
that it would in any way interfere with the success of the mea-
sure which the Right Hon. Gentleman had introduced to
the House ; but inasmuch at he should come to that
vote without injuring the progress of that motion, and as he
thought it essential upon this—probably the first step in
it_ll_e_vir course of ecclesiastical, policy with the people of
o,TM—to make aprotest against making any tax on the people
IL-rat:Wand to support any ecclesiastical establishment in I!•e-
-urs he thought it right, for that reason, to vote for the motion
Rogulelir. Friend (Mr. Ward). He need not fatigue the
this rn t.
tratefinielite.
Y going over the grounds upon which he supported
These arguments had been so admirably concen-
and that t speech of the Right Hon. Member for Edinburgh,
The sPeech followed by the declamation of his Noble Friend
of the ter teethe City of London, as well as by the appeal
subChject
hadhleheleorirde Member for Sunderland, that the whole
mouse.no_answer had completely exhausted. Respecting the Irish
against which so powerful a statement had been
ever been attempted in any quarter of the
„with
th The Government had stated it was impossible to cope
reason to The
of the subjeet, but they gave no good
o the House or the country that they had the least
atTn Ity in being able to stand where they were.—( Cheers. )
The first step in progressing had been taken, and they must
to onwards <Hee let who might occupy the reins of Government.
in ,hear,) He had always during the time he had a seat
iiinititeeere the subject
hHeaoru.2e, taken a very active part, and a very anxious
He was sure that twenty years ago,
Mein had seconded a proposal of the Hon. Member for
Middlesex for going into Committee on the Irish Church
nsu_a_. -he had at that time made the same state-
:Cent! which the Honourable Member for Sheffield
ee
sect brought
he hdforward. Upon every subsequent debate on this
pursued the same course, and when he became
'(mambos of the Government, when his Right Hon. Friend
4_11.4 Graham) left the Cabinet, he had avowed the same
mOt Pinions, as distinct as language could avow them. He could
Government
in what part of his speech to the House when
she Government of Lord Grey came into power, he had given
anterance to principles different to those on which the present
Imotiotnh was founded. It might have been that be then stated
ghat as f ere was no intention on the part of the Government to
'take the Irish Church the means of forming a Roman
maine;the
.Establishment in Ireland. They had not arrived at
reatenrt theylzeffiveerenie fowromoiaidtion to judge to what purpose or to what '
make an appropriation for the Protestant
of the Church. But when his Right Hon. Friend left
aeo 'a. Commission had been issued to overturn the municipal
covpoenirtions of the different sects in Ireland, so as to enable the
enures
to advise the Crown with respect to practical
Lee son this isubject. He forgot the erecise statement
0, made by his Noble Friend at th'e head of the Government
la:aerd OreY), but he believed that although that Noble Lord
refused to admit the intentions of the Government to
viartg) 11.):Iyeuainayr
object,
belonging to the Protestant Church to any
act, he maintained the power of the Government
__aPPla the sum to any such purpose which the Govern-
eehrsits touldiandgeoeamge,expedient.—( Hear, hear.) With respect
rto
he recollected well the debate arising on
0 Lquestion respecting the settlement of the tithes in Ireland,
euht forsvard by the present Lord Hatherton, the then
chary for Ireland. In the course which he took on that
waeasion he lamented the loss which the Government hail
hidedp4a.tarl by the retirement of his Right Honourable
e (jr(S James Graham) and his Noble Friend the present
eietary for the Colonies. He thought then, as
asnow, that
gretirernent, under the circumstances of the ce and on
e principles on which they placed it, were detrimental to the
larr of good government and the progress of liberal opinions
regard to Ireland. The Government then had a large
"Arty in the House. The Irish people were then disposed to
"e!Pt conciliatory measures, and if the Government had gone
a 1,4 naison as they were in the course of policy in which they
asa "'allied, a state of affairs would now exist in Ireland
.r.airtaYesdsi.fferent from that which they had the misfortunem to
In stating his regret at the retirement of Right
ftclo. Friend and of Lord Stanley for office, he used theseloss
ofetrot.s, For what had the sacrifices—(he alluded to the
:i 41' two Right Hon. Friends)—been made,
.but. that the
etecayenaavrnent might be enabled to act on that principle which
HO owed with respect to the me.asure before the
nse (it Was the Irish tithe question); and upon
loose ironical cheers coming from the Opposition
,eaeet'lide of the it "he scarcely knew how to interpret that
thebut if nt that the Government were not united,
determined mtoeaact consistently with their declarations; if
a'
e Was the least difficulty in the principle o.' the application
the surplus revenue of the church of Ireland to the urposes
-Which had been stated by the Hon. Member for St.p Albans,
he should have been the last man to join the Cabinet." That
was saffic.ent to show that be had never swerved. To the
'Measure founded on a system of liberality to the people of
Ireland he would give his support, and hoped that system would
%e carried steadily forward. To the first step in that progress,
ht. repeated,. he gave his willing and cordial support, protest-
ing with his Hen. Friend against the principle of taking money
for such purposes from other sources than the surplus revenue
of the Irish church, and against the principle of abstracting it
from the taxe paid by the people of Great Britain.—( Cheers. )
Mr. E. B. ROCHE said the measure proposed by the Right
Hon. Baronet regarding Mayisonth was a good measure as far
as it went; introduced, he believed, in a good, and honourable,
and kindly spirit—( Cheers)—and for that reason he regretted
that the question of the Protestant Church in Ireland should
luxe been brought rw fo ard on that occasion.—(Cries of
"Hear hear" from the Ministerial benches.) He regretted
it the more, because urged by old and long-entertained prin-
ciples,_ he must vote for the motion of the Hon. Gentleman
the Member for Sheffield. He thought the question of the
Irish Church was not so important a question now as it was a
few years ago. It was not regarded by the Irish people
with so much anxiety, because, in the first
_ hplace, the
was as overlaid in the Irish mind
More absorbing, and what he believed to be the more
citteatioh ; arid, in the second place, the people of Ireland hadseen this question of Church reform what they considered trifled
with by parties on that, the Opposition side of the House, be-
tre--( ear, hear)—and, therefore, they did not believe ihati
-"ey were sincere in proposing Church reform. Haa only state(
thltheereegieneral feeling among the Irish people. He would be
iftng in saying the Hon. Member for Sheffield was not.sin-
_,
.here Was no doubt. about that. But, at the same time,
2risn people take up this question eith great spirit, and lay
-a 'own very quietly—(Hear, from the Ministerial benches)
'sands therefore, in their minds, it was not so importanhtaad
restion as it had been. He regretted that the question it
be introduced on the present occasion, because he thought
itdietter that the question should be disposed of by itself. He
idnot know whether the Right Honourable
Member for the University of Dublin, and then Noble Lord
all;:ord Bernard), were quite satisfied with the arpect which
aat! qUestion of their Church had taken in that House. He
a"'a.
at
regard.ed kt as an abuse. He deplored the ex-
Weise, of h
t at abuse in his country. It was the Church that had
v.-7T it bone of contention between them ; but he regarded it
vatm mast regret as it was the thing of all others which parnea
welZtee4 the party which that Noble Lord represented,
nosh he (air. Roche) represented, from uniting for the t
0. good of their common country.—(Cheers.) He
if
th he Noble Lord, and the Right Hon. Gentleman, they
thought that by remaining in that House, and by keeping
Char
_question in that House, they would keep the
ch safe as it existed at present. He asked
seaeetat° look at the state of parties in England, and consider
ner they were likely to get for that Church very flatter-
ng terns, if t 4
%%be —on. Gentlemen on this side of the House should
Man in'it° Power. Let them well consider this—whether. Irish-
equita Ireland could not settle that important question more
honeahlY for both parties—more permanently, and more
the artaPll than by coming over to this country, which
Idolitt'e`a"• Member for the University of Dublin
The m H his speech to be a " foreign country:"
seppoeton. Member for the University. in his argument in
Church of the Church in Ireland, said—" Take from usthe
seta ;., and you have the support of the party whic.. I re.pfb.
re-
rei which parts, said another Hon. Gentleman, was a
He
eacti__garrison, existing in a foreign and hostile country. .
fearZedhe listened with some humiliation when he heard his
ife:eountryrnan obliged to make such a confession,
414k1f-TON—I said a hostile, not a foreign country.
twee,'
•°CHH—The Hon. Gentleman raid he did not say
szdati.at'air:thisohstgi
it AZ:',,!uld, therefore, he retracted that expression, but still
he
lairtyriswean,.existing in a hostile country. Now,
said did n ings.
The all on one side, for the. people. of Ire-
regard the English party there with hostile feel.
Pesata oey only regarded their prejudices with hostility, and
conntas with contempt ; but they did not regard their fellow-
a ler 1.)1/ft in any hostile spirit, and many of them, forming
veueoffethPearty in Ireland, hoped that a blessed day would
_come,
common Y would all be united for the common good of their
The Ri etamtry. But he would turn from that question.
benußht Hon.
Baronet, as he had previously admitted, had
han gets.e question forward in a good and fair spirit ; but let
had re!nd the
Right Hon. Baronet, that all the support he
oeigio:telved from the Opposition side of the House, did not
"set The fro a sacrifice of party to principle. Honest
hot I—PPorted that motion because it was just ; men who were
i atmest
"a this 'ePported it because it was and expedient. He heard
raarrnoreenY, among the lower grade of the Whig party,
and reports of a coalition. He found them in-
kora „tin the pleasing dreams of one day seeing the Noble
e _
searonst suember for the City of London, and the Right Hon.
%Li ,he First Lord of the Treasury hob-nobbing at a
set ems amner. What a scene it would be for that talented
st,osalan, who styled himself the historical painter of the
Anted of Commons. He wou'd have the old story of
fteillesei and Octsvius dividing the empire amongst their
Jai% et; But did they suppose Ireland would aequiese in
Lais a4irae? Did they think Ireland would be contented with
Zkeratatt7 bribe to sacrifice the cause in which she had em-
Tb he told the Right Honourable Baronet
did spirit, that such would not be the case.
sttre__.would not be able to quiet Ireland by this single mea-
trg, !to, they must give ample and full justice. Ireland was
e Nes;
ey befiant a cause which she thought was just. and good,. and
ale anea.eaed they were entitled to a domestic Legislature.
e att Perfectly well that he was vainly attempting to adeo •
mat Rs'anse uhieh had no friends in that House ; he trusted
attesea,- Members would permit him to tell them, that their
'and. E`tpg to treat with an individual would not satisfy Ire-
.,aprute, het' must recollect that lately a body of men had
etree") salt in Ireland, who commanded the confi-
not es?' the people of Ireland, and who would
thete; e satisfied with this measure. How were rived feen ailed into existence? Why their existence was de-
"fobieth regZiate.ertain de.claration which a Lord-Lieutenant. made
repealto in Ireland. That person proscribed any
b:ntertaan
thi exclude, FS repeal opinions, and declared that they were
I
was _ a trom office. To say the least of it, he thought
b j behea_n unworthy declaration. It was as much as to say,
ft%At, ;eere you are to be bought, and if you are to be
h.se,
of tom
my price." But these men had the sym-
people *th them, and. he said again
flu! 1111'st have so ' a- v"
eel would be met mg more than this measure before
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Wishalyttlteintgth into this question, but if Geaaralitent had
ate, satisfied. He was not going at that late hour to
shnald be settled peacefully and amicably, they

must enter upon the consideration of it at once, hut he could
assure them that nothing short of what he had stated would

satisfy Ireland.
Lord PALMERSTON did not intend to go into the ex-
traneous topics which had been introduced in the course of the
debate—" sufficient for the debate was the question thereof."
If his Hon. Friend had brought forward his motion under the
circumstances, and in the same circumstances in which he first
gave notice, he should have felt it to be his duty
to vote against it, unwilling as he had been to
take any step which could by any remote possibility
have impeded the Government Bill, which, to a certain extent,
had been carried ; but the course which the Right Hon.
Gentleman had since taken, had enabled him (Lord Palmer-
ston) to give the motion his support. The question the Hon.
Member had now brought forward was this, Whether there was
not another fund from which the grant proposed by this Bill
could not be supplied? The Hon. Member had originally
asked why should not the grant be takea from the Consolidated
Fund ; but he had altered his motion, and he now
asked, why not procure it front the funds crea-
ted by the reduction of the Irish Church establishment ?
He ( Lord Palmerston) would have voted for the motion for
supplying the grant from the Consolidated Fund, if he had
persevered in it ; but he ( Lord Palmerston) would prefer that
this money should be taken from the other source, and there-
fore he would give his vote in favour of that proposition. The
first question the House had to consider was, could there be a
surplus of Church funds sufficient to meet this demand, after
providing what was necessary for the support of the Protestant
Church established in Ireland ?—( Hear, hear.) He did think
that no person, who had heard the statements made upon
that subjs ct, but would feel satisfied that ample funds would
still remain for the proposed measure, after providing in the
most ample manner for the Protestant Church.—( Hear.)
Then, he would ask, had this House authorised the Govern-
ment to make this grant? He should say that no Member,
who had voted for the Church Temporalities Act, could dis-
pute that the House had that power. The resources
of the Church, it had been admitted, were at the
disposal of the State, who held them in trust for certain uses ;
if that were so, then, he would contend for it, that those who
had brought in the Church Temporalities Hill should make
such use of this surplus fund as it was quite apparent it was
intended for. On those grounds, then, he would vote for the
endowment of the College of Maynooth out of this fund.— 1
( Hear, hear.) He knew he would be met by the statement
that this would be going a step beyond the appropriation
clause, and that granting a sum for education in Maynooth
from this source would be granting money for the exclusive
education of Roman Catholics. But he contended that the
Church Temporalities Bill did not repudiate sueh an applica-
tion of the funds, for they were intended for the purposes of
general education of the Irish people, the great majority of
whom were Roman Catholics. If, then, it should be found that
the Established Church did not require the ape lication of the
whole of those resources, then he would feel no diffiAilty what- '
ever in applying them to aid the religious instruction of the
people of Ireland.—( Cheers.) In Ireland there were eight
millions of people, of whom seven millions were Roman Ca-
tholics. In Ireland there was a large Church establishment,
which educated about one-half of the Protestants of that coun-
try, and the State paid, by a grant, for the religious instruction
of the ether half.; and was it then possible that this House
could contemplate six and a half millions of the poorest portion
of the people of that country re eiving religious instruction
from their clergymen, wive were dependent for their support
upon what they received by going from door to door, and from
farm to farm, to collect the means of ex:3tence?—( Hear, hear.)
Whatever might be the result of this discussion, depend upon
it, this country would be compelled, sooner or later, to adopt
some such measure. —( Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")
For a long while party prejudices would not permit this ques-
tion to be brought forward; in the meantime it had been
freely discussed outside, and at length the force of argument
had become so strong as to produce a reaction, and then the
Government came forward with their measure ; but they came
when the time had gone by—they came forward when thei
spontaneous offering appeared not what it was, but as a sur-
r
render to fear, which he was sorry to see, and which he felt
assured the Right Hen. Baronet opposite (Sir R. Peel) did
not intend.—( Hear, hear.) However, he did hope that this
impression would not have the effect of deterring the Govern •
ment from the path they had resolved on to pursue, in regard
to the prosecution of other means of conciliation which he be-
lieved they had in contemplation.—( Hear, hear.) There were
many other questions of a conciliatory character to Ireland
which he hoped to see brought forward, and the carrying out of
which would soon prevent the use of such expressions as " a
hostile nation" applied to England.—(Cheers.) But if the
Government imagined that this alone would be sufficient to ac-
complish per'ect tranquillity in Ireland, they would find their
mistake, for there this would be looked upon as a measure
yielded to fear, and not elicited by conviction.—( Cheers.)
Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT—Sir, I mean to say a few
words before the debate closes, and they shall be very short. I
shall not enter into the question of the Protestant Church
Establishment, and I will make no further allusion even to the
motion the Hon. Member for Sheffield has brought forward
than to say that I deeply regret that this question should have
been brought forward now—first, because I think that it will
be little understood in Ireland, and next, that it is introducing
for discussion between the leading parties of this House abstract
principles which have no reference to the measure before the
House, awl. also because the only influence of this motion, if
successful, must be, of course, to destroy the measure before
the House. I should have thought this system of introducing
the assertion of principles into the discussion of particular mea-
sures had already led to so much inconvenience in the hands
of the Honourable Gentleman himself, that he would
have been the last person to have proposed such
a course. Look to that measure which was admitted on both
sides of the House to have been of paramount necessity for
the tranquillisation of Ireland—the meaure, for the settlement
of the tithe question. Look to the annnal attempts that were
made to introduce that suicidal clause, which long delayed the
settlement of that question. But, Sir, I have risen on this
occasion more especially to call the attention of the House to
the statement which was made last evening and repeated again
to-night, in spite of the emphatic contradiction given to it by
my Right Hon. Friend, namely, that this measure had been
brought forward, not from any sense of justice, not from any
preconceived opinion as to its fitness for the state
of Ireland, or the effect it might have on
the tranquillisation of that country, but that it had
question.—(Cheers.)
wopeni
angeeesgehns
ttt
alreadybenot xegnhft oatr—hrtaeect(htpced oiaushnt,
symebeignery fear
soastuno.s:uptsreiheer a
shape
suspicion
srnd llywco.
contemplated—nay,
italarm,nekm
iptl a
ads—screatednh
aoyw, by ymh tyhr etel Oregon
tos
lastthat
it
eecexteoierteeerdst questio no arose
lin t
this
is was
country announced s
wriet
h
regard to the territorial boundary of North America, or that
any rup' ure was feared. It was stated further that the Bill
had been actually drawn, and Roman Catholic prelates con-
sulted so far back as November last. Nay, I may say more.
During the last session, when the discussion took place on
the vote for education, and likewise for the grant
the introduction of the subject
to
oe
Right Hon.
on
ilghYtn°H°on. Gentleman the Member for Waterford (Mr.
Wyse) called the attention of the Government to academical
o f education
Governmennt,in Ireland,
inanswer and m y Right Hon. Friend at the head
to that speech, said the subject
had already been under the consideration of the Goverment ;
bringthat only
on sthe
importantlateness
a° fthe
measure session,
on: and his unwillingness to
the prosperity of Ireland,
had prevented them bringing forward the measure. I can go
back to a still higher date because a commufnication was made
toncatnhebesubZoet ore contrarythis measure. I
the fact
o say,m therefore,
b y t h ethat Government
nothing
than that any unworthy motive had actuated the Government
to
—a motive, I think, disgraceful to the character of lier
Ma-
jesty's Government, and one which I am anxious
repel, not only because I think it would produce
a most unfavourable impression as to the character
and conduct of the Government, but would greatly diminish the
good effects to be anticipated from this measure. I very much
regret that the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Edin-
burgh, forgetful of all these facts, has studiously tried to fix
this imputation on the Government. I regret this much, be.
cause it appeared to me that the Right Hon. Gentleman was
thinking less of the benefits this measure might produce in
Ireland, than of the degree of party strife it might cause.—
( Cheers, and counter-cheers.) I perfectly understand those
cheers, but, I must say, that I draw a great distinction between
the course the Whig party has pursued on this occasion, and
that which they formerly pursued. I am as willing as any
man to acknowledge any disinterested support of the Govern-
ment. I must say, however, that the Right Hon. Gentleman
the Member for Edinburgh has taken a course
diametrically opposite to that which was taken by
the Noble Lord, and has endeavoured studiously to fix a
charge of inconsistency on the Government, and in such a
manner as might be calculated to injure the success of this
measure in Ireland. Let it go forth to Ireland that this mea-
sure ha, been extorted by fear, and all its advantages wili be
lost. If through that cause the measure should be ineffective
for tranquillising Ireland, the responsibility will be with the
Right Hon. Gentleman. lf, on the contrary, the anticipa-
tion of her Majesty's Government shall be realised—if the
measure does produce tranquillity—if it should have the
effect of attaching the feelings of the Roman Catholic priest-
hood—if it does carry out the views of her Majesty's Go-
vernment,
then the Right Hon. Gentleman will have this
consolation, that it was not for want of his opposition that
the measure had not failed in tranquillising Ireland.—( Hear.)
I allude to this because I think we ought not to admit the
ciaims of the frequenters of Conciliation Hall in the success of
this measure. I have already stated that this measure was
first announced in answer to a speech of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman the Member for Waterford, and that it has arisen from
no sudden external cause whatever. This measure is to be
attributed to those gentlemen in Ireland, and those Roman
Catholic prelates, who not fearing the consequences, and ex-
posing themselves to great obloquy, and great misrepresenta-
tion, and great abuse, nobly stayed aloot from agitation and
refused to have any partnership in measures which
they dissapproved of. The Government were determined to
bring forward this measure, not as a bribe, not as a concession,
but as a measure which they believed to be right—and they
bring it forward because they believe it to be right, and because
they believe and know that there are Roman Catholic Gentle-
men, and Roman Catholic prelates, who are most anxious to
give their influence in promoting the prosperity and good
order of Ireland.—( Cheers.) I undertook to say as few words
as possible. I was anxious to vindicate the Ceovernment from
this charge which has been made against them-eto vindicate
them from the charge of inconsistency in bringing
forward this measure, a measure which they supported when
in Opposition, and which they now carry out when in office ;
and I was anxious, likewise, to vindicate them from the impu-
tation of this measure having been extorted from them by
menace and fear, and by the dread of a hostile foreign country.
It was a sense of justice which prompted them to put it forward,
and I beg the House to recollect, that when agitation was ripe in
Ireland,that was not the moment the Government chose for bring-
ing this measure forward. It was after the law had vindicated
itself, and a comparative state of tranquillity had been established
that they did feel it their duty, in conformity with their declara-
tion, that they would govern Ireland with impartiality, justice, and
conciliatiou, to bring forward this measure in redemption of
that pledge, and I trust that it will be received in Ireland in
the same spirit in which it has been conceived, and whatever
threa s the Government may receive from Exeter-Hall, or
from the Right Hen. Gentleman the Member for Edinburgh,
neither one nor the other will deter the Government from pure
suing that course which they conscientiously feel to be neces-
sary for the tranquillity of Ireland.— (Cheers. )
Sir H. W. BARRON rose amidst loud cries of " 011, oh !"
"divide, divide." He said he would not detain the House for
many moments at that late hour of the night—but being the
only Catholic Member from Ireland who had risen curing the pre-
sent debate, he was anxious to explain the reasons upon which
he would give his vote ; and he trusted the House would ex-
tend its indulgence to him while doing so.—(Hear, hear.)
He had always been an open, firm, decided, and manly oppo
nent of the present Government; but when he saw them
changing the principles upon which they acted
when in Opposition, he tendered them his own
thanks, and the thanks of his constituents. Seeing the
spirit in which the Government were disposed to act towards
Ireland, he could not consistently vote for the motion of his
Hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield. Hear. )He thought
it would he gross ingratitude towards the Government, if he
were to vote for the motion. That motion was most inoppor-
tune and ill-timed, and taken in connexion with the measure of
the Government, he could not conscientiously support it. He
would not answer the taunts and abuse which had been cast
upon the Roman Catholics by petitions and speeches in that
House. They exhibited little of charity or religion. He was
glad that in the meetings held in Ireland, no such calumnious
or abusive language was heard. If the Right Hon. Baronet
followed up the measure for the endowment of Maynooth by
other measures, he would find that no part of the British do-
might be more easily governed than trelatni.—( Hew'. )