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London, England, 1818-04-14 00:00:00

HOUSE .OF -COMMONS.

Accounts of the hearth and Window Tax in Ireland for
the last yeat were laid on the table.
Mr. COKE presented a Petition against the Duty on Rape.
Seed, froin celfain Farmers in Norfolk.—Laid.on the table.
A Petition was presented from Cardiff ag:,inst till., Duty on
Coal and Calm carried c'oastWays —Laid otrt he table.
Sit ROBERT PEEL presented a Petition from certain Dis-
tricts in Lancashire, in favour ut the Cotton Factory Regu-
lation Bill,—Laid on the table. . .
WAFER COMPANY.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR gave notice that he should -to-mor-
row present a Petition fel)ltlthe Parish,of Marylebone, for leave
.to bring in a Bill, to form,a new Water-work Company.
Admiral FRANKS presented a Petition, sign,.t by 6,000
Frame-workers -of the Town and County of Nottingham,
complaining of want of work, and praying for relief.—Laid
on the table.
The fort:inr consideration of the Reports on the Poor Laws
and S. Bills was postponed,to Wednesday next.
The secmul reading of the Slave Trade Acts Amendment
Bill, was pos.poned to this day fortnight.
Al.r SMYTH•presented a Petition fruna the Cotton Mann-

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.facturerg of Derby, in favour of the Cotton Factory Regnli-
orri he tahle.
General GAS('OIGNF, obtained l'eave to bring in a Bill
for: preventing frivolous and reXaticilts Actions of Assault
and flattery in the infrtior Courts. The _Bill wat thect
brought in,'.reail a first time, and the second reading fixed
for next Thursday...
Mr. LUSPIINOTON moved for an Account of all t
rpi,,r Bills I.tiprd under-an AO, of last Session, for raising lq
millions.—Agreed
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,The Land Tax Assessment Bill was read a second time.—
Ordered to be committed next Monday. .
'CL-1 A R ITI ANI) E

Mr.,BIOI,4IIIA'N; presented a, Petition from the !nimbi-
tant9 of Nt-wbut5,,,,. iti the entiiity of Berks, complaining
of
the miskippliczitioti Cliaritahle Funds, atid praxing tliat the
provisions.of the Bill :for,i4,;til.ting Charities' connected with
the Education of the Ptio"r.Weicte'ricled to other charities.

Read, iirid laid on the table*.
Mr. BROUGHAM then unwed, that the Bill for regulating
the Charitie, connected with the 1-241t..ation of the four but
read a secondtime.. He thought that it. .would he proper in,
the first instance to confine the provisionS :of this Bill to the
object, which it now embraei.d. The powers of the Commis-
snt toi.ziat hen be extruded to other charities, and next ties-
sum] some further mens Ore ipight he adopted if found neees,
sary. lie hoped that the interi'al Would not be without its
use, Mid that wizen the Commis,ioners applied for extended'
pnwers, so many tif;the exoing Ibuses would have been cot--
reefed by the patties theinselvei; that little should remain to
reinove.
Tiii• Bill was then read a second time, after sonic observa-
tion's lit Mr. AuEttittomniE, and ordered to be committed ott
At etlricst* next.
Sir S. iIONIILIS presented a Petition, signed by leo per-
sons; representing themselves as Burgesses of, the Royal tio,
ronleh of lignin, and g, coniplainin that by the present mode
of election,..Scoteh Btiroughs were not properly represented
in Parliament.—Laid on the table, atnl7 ordered to be printed.
Mr. ROBINSON-pre.sent, ti the last Report of the Secretary
of State on the National Vaceini Estdblisinuent.—Laid ott

the table.
Mr.CANNING presented a Petition from the inhaltitants
of Liverpool, prayini; that the Poor Lars Bill might not pass
into a Law.—Laid on the table. -
Mr. BROW NE, seeink an Honourable and Learned Mem-
ber in his place, wishell.to inquire what Wits the object u
the motion which he had announced for Thursday ?
• Sir S. ItOMILLY replied that he only intended to move fat.
papers connected with the administratinp of justice, and par-
ticnlarlv of the criminal Liws in DOminica, that the I-louse
might know' their state: hie was hot yet prepared to say
whether further proc‘ edings Win ]ld be necessary.
•4• ROYAL MARRIAGES. "••

Lord CASTLEREAGH connonnicated to the HottseP
Ile following Message from his Royal ilighnest
he Prince Regent :

Gronor, P R.
" The Mince Regent, acting in the name and on the be-.
half of his Majesty, thinks it right to inform the House of
Commons, that Tr&aties of Marriage are in negociation
tweeu his Royal Highness the Duke of Clarence and the Prin-
cess of Saxe Meiningen, eldest daughter of the late reigning
Dnite of Saxe' Meiningeni and also between his Royal High-
ness the Duke of Cambridge and the Princess of Hess 4,
youngest daughter of the Landgrate Frederick, and niece of-
the Elector of Hesse.
" After the of calamity which the Prince Regent and

the nation have sustained in the loss of his Royalllighneso
beloved and only child, the Princesi Charlotte, .his Royal
Highness is fully persuaded that the House of Commons will

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how essential it is to the best interests of the country

that his Royal Highness should be enabled to make a suitable
provision for suck of his Royal Brothers as shall have con—
tracted marriage with the consent of the Crowns and his

Royal Highness has received so many proofs of the affec-
tionate attachment of this House to his Majesty's Person and
Family as leave him no room to doubeof the concurrence and
assistance of this House in enabling him to make Abe ueces2
sary arrangements for this important purpose.

.‘ G. P. R."

The Message having been brought up. and read
rorn the Chair,

Lord. CAsTLEREA6n said, thatibecourse which
he should. pror,..e adopt \%•ould he, to lay nts
Royal Highttess•s Message on the table;and refer
it to a COntmittee of the whole house to•morrow,
when he would state to the House the views en;
tertained by his Majesty's 'Ministers on the sub;
ject._ Ile hoped the House would permit him at
present to avoidentering into any partial-and pre-
mat ore explanation. He should only propose an.
Address, thanking his, Royal Highness for his
-most gracionseommunication, And assuring hint
that the House would not fail to take it into its
serious consideretion. To such an Address
,there
could he no objection,. as it would not pledge the
House to any particular measure.. He concluded
by moving, that his Royal Highness's Message
be referred to-morroiv to a Committee of the
whole House.
Mr. TIERNEY complained that the information
which the Noble• Lord now denied to the House,
had- already been communicated by Ministers to
their friends.' Certain summonses had been issued.
to certain Members, to meet at a Minister's house,
where they had been made-acquainted with all the
particulars which were to be detailed to the House
to-morrow. . In fact, his Majesty's Ministers felt
that without ,a previous rehearsal they c: uld not
date to face the House on such a.subject.
Lord CASTLRREAGH was undersfood.to say, that
there was• no Parliamentary usage or law to pre-
clude such meetings.
Mr. PROTticitos thought, that on ttn occasion
like that which was app'roaching, it was necessary
that the people should have an opportunity of
knowing how aIC their Representatives voted.—
Ile should therefore probably think it hir ditty to
move for a Call of the House. Or if there was not
time for such wean to be rendered effective, to-
morrow he should propose the postponement of
the discussion, that it might only take place whets
the fullest attendance could- be secured.
Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that there would
he many opportnititieS to discuss any grants which
might be proposed, not only in the Committee,
but when the Bills should be brought in,-and at
their different Stages. lie Should not then feel
disposed to resist = Call of the House.
Mr. BaouGt-1/01 coutemled, that•under the pre-
sent circumstances of the country, it was neces.
stirs/ for the House; it it valued its own character,
the peace of the nation, anti the security of the
Throne, to take every step in all it 'did to convey
the voice of the coontry alone. Ile should he
disposed to support -the motion of ally Honourable
Member who should propose; that before proceed-
ing any-further on the subjett; the ns-nalcautioa
should be taken to secure a attendance, and
that there be laid before the Home a correct state.
meat of facts, emit:iining the sums 3hcatty:gm-it'll,
to, and annually in possession of,
.some of the
Members of the Royal Famtly.
Mr. M ETlitt SN. moved that .there- he laid before
the.. House .a return- of - all the sums received by
their Royal Highnesses the Dillies. of Clarence,
Kent, and Cambridge, arising is urn military or
other a/ppoitittuents, or .any grants fruits rallia•

ment out of the DI oit s of Atlinirally, or any

Est t., :.(1.

CAsTLERRAGo did not intend to oppose
-the ;+;otion, h t it must he postponed till the re-
sent questiiin sh.+++ld he decided.
Mr. NI A. 'l AY thout:ht the mode adopted
by .Ylinis',le,r, to call riifferent :Members together,
art tt.ke th,,•;r opioion repectlug what grants
st old,+ be o:,de ,ot Of the public mooey,
obiectionable. No man was mole attached 11+0n
1 it to the 1-louse of _Brunswick, but he also
louked to the interests and the happiness of• the
people. He considered what, the finances of the
country wonk allow to be paid in taxation.
And •,vho, after hearing the late diseussit:-as on the
Leativr Tax, would dare to say that the present
period was not a very unfurtuna'e one to apply
for fresh ntovisi-ons ?

Mr, Cutt.,vESl trusted that the House would not
be called noon to vote one single shil,ling till
after the Ctianccllor of the. Exchequer had laid
before it a detailed sta!i:men( of the Supplies, and
Ways and Means of the year.
111 r. BRAND conic] see no reason why the Noble
Lord should not mention, the amount of the
grants proposed.
Lord CASTLEREAGH thought that it would be
unfair, as well as w,sliisfaCtory to the to
state the stuns proposed,: without being able
to enter. into all the,,requisite .details and ex,.
platfations.
Lord LAsnELLEs said, that he was one of those
who had attended time meeting alluded to during
the early part of the discussion. He thought he
should not take too, much. upon himself if he
stated that what had transpired there had not mar
with the sati•laction of several others besides
himself. Ile would not say more at present,
but he would repeat that in what he had men-
tioned he had not stated his own feelings
alone. •

Mr. LITTLETON -wished to know whether the
proposition to be submitted to the House in-
cluded more individuals than ere mentioned in
the Mesnige ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH was understood to decline
giving an answer.
Mr. BENNET asked whether his Majesty's Mi-
uisters had nut conitwinicated to their Selert.
Committee that they intended to propose 19,000/.
in addition a year to one, or the Royal Dut“..s,
besides 19,0001. outfit, and 12,0001. a year to
each of the others?.

After a few observations front Sir C. Moncke
end Calcraft, no answer having been return,
ed, the motioli was at:rzed to.'
Lord CA,TCEIiBAbii then. moved an Address to
tie Prince Regent, thanking his Royal Highness
for his mos.(' gracious Message iespecting the in-
tended martiages of hisßoyal Highness he Dake
of Clarence with the Princess of Saxe Mciningen,
and ()is Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge
with the Princess of Hesse; expressing the entire
satisfaction of the House at the prospect of alli-
ances ,ith Protestant Princesses of such illustri-
pus Houses, and assuring. his Royal HighnesS of
its attachment and readinessio make the provi-
sions required, with a-flue regard to the import-
ance of any measure which might tend to secure
the Succession to' the Crolim in his ithije'sty's.ll-
- House.

Lord STANLEY wished to know whether there
Was anv inlitanee 111 wnicn ~,tes of the-71-1,,"0,
bad been extended to individuals who had not
been rnentioned in the Royal Message ?

• Lord CASTLE R RAG H said, that the Address
Which he had proposed merely expressed the sa-
tisfaction of the House .at the communication
which it' had received, wi, trout pledging it to
countenance any grant which might be brought
forward subsequently. It would remain open to
the House to vole them or not, as it would
think proper.
Mr. BROUGHAM did not yield to the Noble
Lord in alrecti,fri towards the House on the
Throne. But he wouLl not on that account ne-
glect his duty to the people. The Address pledged
the House to.maLe provisions with a due regard
to the importance of such measures as might tend
to secure the-succession to the Throne; but with-
out a word respecting the regard tine to the state
of the people. He therefore should propose to
introduce-the following words into the Address:-
44 And with a due regard to the present btathened
st.ite of the people of this country."
Lord CASTLEIZSAGH did not think the amend-
ment necessary. It would seem to imply that
there was an indisposition on the part of the
Crown to attend to the wants and burthens of the
people.
Sir G. MATHCOTE briefly supported the amend-
ment.

Mr. TIERNEY contended that the amendment
would not plvdge 4ny Member to any. particular
line of conduct in the discussion of to-morrow.
The House knew that a meeting:of Members had
been called' by Ministers ;, that to this meeting
they had stated what they intended to propose to-
morrow ; and the House also knew, front the best
authority, that. these propositions had been con-
sidered by several as unfit to be entertained. Un=
der such suspicious circumstances should not the
House take at least one guard against committing
itself too far

The Gallery was then cleared for a division,
but the discussion "was carried on for a consider-
able time after strangers had retired. The House,
however, at last divided—

For the Amendment (13
Mainst it
Majority for the et igioal Address.— —5l

On our return to the Gallery, we found Air.
METHPEN moving for Retuins of all Incomes
received by their Royal Highnesses the Dukes of
Sussex, Kept, Cumberland, and Cainbt idge, aris-
ing (ruin military, naval, or civil employments,
tvitlt Pensions and other emoluments ; and in-
cluding all (4runts made to them from the Ad-
miralty, Droits, from the year 1800 to the present

•
time. . . . ... .
Tile CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHE'QiIER proposed
some alteration io the motion, the nature of which
could not, be heard. , .
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r. and Mr. 3. P. GRANT opposed it.
IJr. l'!itclUGHAk Iroped it wouLl be seen what
were the emolnmeots.of tlte Duke, of Cambridge ;
and if 'bete were no iit ber person wbo4ottld make
the statement, the Royal Duke enitld at any pat:
ftirisi)li it ,I4itaiself,.. i e woqti be as ready as any

man to agree to whatever was Hahsolotely neces-
sary to support the Thiyal Duk-es„in all the splen-
dour hecomin:! their elevated state; but tv.heit they
made applic:itiO,s for money, it ought to be as-
certained that they !tad no more than tvqs neces-
sary so to mainlain them. It, them etore, then
have means not generally known, it surely would
not be siid that they- ought not to he (Atli into
the account. He thou 44a Chat .~hat arose fr.otn
ilanovei ought to be reckoned into the account,
53.'00 inriner occasions, it was very considerahte.

The. CHANCELIOIt of the EXCHEQUER WaS HH-
Ocrsti)o(l to ?ay„..,...ritat it would he tor the consi•
det.tiOo thOlOnse Whether any such imptiry
could be ma e. Mr. Fox was eotirely aganist
invity %viten it was proposed to be wade into the
income of the Prince of ,
Thequotion was then aertect to. .•
CALL OF TIU HOUSE.

Mr. PROTHEHOE, alluding, as tvtis Supposed,
to the sane subject, there being such a contusion
in the House that it was impwisible to tear dis-
tinctly, considertd the question to he of such im-
portance, that in order to ensul e ai full attend-
ance in its future disrlis-ion, Ile should move
that on Friday, the 24th instant, the lipase be
called over.

lbe.'wotion was agreed rn.
GOLD AND SILVER COTNACiE.

Mr. J. P. GRANT moved tor various accounts
relative to the quantity of Gold and Silver Coin
issued font. the Mitt in 1817. the quantity de-
livered to ,he Bank, the quantity issued from
thence, and that issued from the Mint otherwise
than to the Bank. Also, Accounts of the prices
of gold and silver in liars, Spanish dollars, &c.,
the course of exchange at Hamburgh, Lisbon, and
Paris, in 1816, 1817.---Agreed to.
Mr. TIERNEY tViSlied to know, when might be
expected the accounts of the state of the Conso-
lidated Fond, and when it was likely that the
Irish Account would be presented ? He wished
to see the charge on the Consolidated Fund; for
the purpose of paying the dividends due the sth of
April. He alludtd, ir. a low voice, to the obser-
vations he had made last Sessions on the finan-
cial arrangements of Ministers, and argued, that
so far from our having got out of debt last year,
we hail got in debr. The deficiency of the Sink-
ing Fiord was 3.500,0001. After some further
observw ions, which could not be connectedly
heard, the Right Hon: Gentleman concluded with
moving fora!' Account of the .extraordinary charge
payable out of tie Consolidated Fund, from the
sth January to the sth July, 1818.
The CHaNcELLoR. of the EXCHEQUER entered
into some explanations across the table, amongst
which he appeared to deity that there had been
any enrroachments on the fond The accounts
would prove, that in the account of the Sinking
Fund for the year, only eleven- months were taken,
according to the new arrangement that included
Irelatol, instead of twelve. If it bad been a
twelvemonth's account, it might have appear-
td that more had bc,:n takers than belonged to the
year.

After some further conver3ation, Mr. TIERNRY
withdrew his moljon, to give time, as was under,
stood, for making out the accounts. .
Lord A. IHaMILTON' moved for returns of all
persorrs who had held the offices of Commissaries
Commissaries' Cierks in:Scotland, front
friary, I 814.—Agt een to.
Sir J. INIAcKINTosu asked why the lists of •pci-
soils prosecuted for lotgery by the Bank had not
been presented ?
Tl►e CHANCFLLOR of tl►e EXCEIRQUER said,
directions had been given for making out the ac-
cour►ts

Mr. W. SMITH Own& the delay might be oc-
casioned by the negligence of some individual
amongst the several who were charged with
making out the accounts. • Such delays had been
detected on other occa•ions..

11FNNET seemed to think the trouble greater
than Gentlemen were aware of. It took him three
day's hard labour to stun up the number of per-
sons sent to Botany Bay for a certain number of
years.
ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.

On the Report of the Ordnance E-itimates being
brought op by Mr. Brogden,
Mr. BENNCT resumed the, subject of the hard-
ship sustained by the reduced ()dicers of the Ar-
tillery Drivers, and repeated :ill the arguments he
advanced on a former evening. It had been
stated, that eight out of twelve troops had been
disbanded ; but the fact was, there were twelve
troops ; six were disbanded in 1814, and six re-
tained. The difference was, that the four troops
that remained were composed out of the six that
had been disbanded. They were all broke"alike,
and therefore were all entitled to some allowance.
All he asked was, that two"more corps should be
placed in the•same situation as -those that remain.
ed ; and if this %% ere not .done, he should wake a
motion on the subject.
Lord COCHRANE Could not conceive why any
distinction should he drawn between those af.,
ready reduced to half-pay and those that were to
he redUced. •Ile entered into a statement of the
parr; case of Captain Httoipliries, whose certifi-
cates of service he had in his hand, and which
proved that he had saved a whole brigade of Sir
John Moore's army.. He then alluded to a de
duct ion of the bounty limn the persons belonging
to those corps who. were pin on half-pay, and
\vim, from being wounded at Waterloo, were en-
titled to a shilling a-day, hut since. -their reduc-
tion their pension had been reduced to 6d. per
day. lie was sorry that there was not that re-
gard r-id to individual cases that there ought to
he. Ile hoped these Officers would receive that
justice which was due to them.
Lord CARHAMPTON said it was/his intention to
attend the Committee on Friday, but he could not
get to the House in time. lie was surprised that
any .Gentleman should. advocate the charges in the
Ordnance Department, There, was 50001. voted
for making good thc,darnage done at Portsmouth,
and in his opinion 5001. • would have been too
mod). It was the Board of Ordnance that the
public ought•to look to for substantial savinks ;
for, as bad been said of the influence of the
Crown, the usurped power of the Ordnance, and
its enormous expenditure, had too long " in-
creased, was increasing, and ought to be dimi-
nished." The whole exl,enditure.of the Ordnance

Board ought to he decreased one-halt in England,
and tn•o-third; in Ireland. He would spew the
House and the people that this was the Establish-
ment that they must insist on having. reduced.
sir. R. %Vann said, that with respect -to the
question that gave rise to this debate, it must be
►rnderstood that it was totally out of the power
Of the House, in the present state of the business,
to vote this money. But the Honourable Gentle-
man might bring it forward in the shape oh an
Address. He the►r proceeded to deny that the
obiervations made by the Noble Lord (Carhamp-
too) and the Honourable Gentleman opposite
were well founded ; bot as the subject had al-
ready been hilly discussed, it would only be con-
suming the time of the House to say any more
about it.

,The Resolutions were then read a second time;
and after some explanations from Mr. ‘Vatto, to
show the necessity -of the Grant for inimediately
rep-iirlng the (lam-age dote to Portsmouth Hat-
hour by the storm of last mouth, the Re.port was
agreed to.
A converse.tion ensued between Sir JOHN New'
PORT,' the (211ANCELLOR Of the ExcnEettnu, and
Genci'al THORNTON., Ott the Irish Saving Banks
Bill, in which several hints were offered for mak-
ing that measure henefi,7ial.
The Spanish Treaty Bill was read a second
time, and committed for 0-morrow.