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. because he wished tir see the sygtem of taxatien
*Patel in the two Countries; and he was creivineed that whilst
Izeland was non.inaely exempted from the ope.ae ion of the t ix,
the would, in fact, contribute to it in the same proportion as
• England or Scotland, at t; e tame time that new but tisne were
imoesed on her in the inc-essed stamp and spirit duties.
Earl Friday hti:trAw,ulN)HdOPE said if be had been in the House last
have given his vote against the Bel. He
!ll°l-',"t it would prove high y detrimentai to the agricultural
Interest, anti especially when taltee in connexion with the tariff.
a measure to which he would give his most strenuous oppo • siticin when it came belirre their Lordships. It was said the
tariff would so far diminish the cost of living as to enable the
People to pay the Income-tax more easily. He had seen to
much and heard so much that lie would never more be sur-
PIIe eieed at anything which he should hear or see.—(-A laugh.)
grantee that there had been a great feline. off in the re-
Itenne. But what else .conld be expected when they had the
scherw.s of rash and speculating financier' to deal with. There
vras the idle scheme at Mr. Howland Hill, which cost the
scountry a revenue of 1,000.00 / a year.— ( Hear. hoe-, and a
4'oo lie agreed with those who thought that the best
course was to re-impoo. same of those taxes which had been
pealed, and had not given so much relief as had been iintici •
peed. He was not in the habit of intruding h s advice on
Chencellers .of the Eechequer, for lie was sure that it would
11,4 be fAlowed, :f indeed it would be very graciously re-
eeived.--(llear, hear, and a laugh.) But he would recom-
Tenli a well •regulseed house-tax, exempting the houses
the poor and middle classes. Also an increase ef
the taxes. on servants and horses, exempting those persons
the
kept only one horse and one servant. Fur although the
Neble Marquis (Clatirigard•.) might nail him a Chartist, he
ti!ould always recommend that taxation should commence at
t
he highest possible roint in the scale, exempting as much a,
possible the wee king and middle classes. He thought a re-
trnlios lion of the Post-office tax in part. say 2,1. per letter,
Irsetild produce no inconvenience, and would raise a consider-
. !sole revenue. He wouid also recommend an increased tax upon
.e,lench wines, which would be paid only by the wealthiest
elesses. He deprecated this (the Income) tax most of all, on
runt 0 fits inquisitorial character; and he would a.k, was
_th state ot the country so satistaetory that it was es Si' ta do any-
plir4,' which would tend to alienate the affections ef the middle
• eies!es? But it had been said that taxation had r, ached its
tae'llte. How could that be when some years ago the amount
s 0 much greater ? In hie opinion the reason was, that when
" _teeatiun was high, the country hail the advantage of a cur-
"
--en' which enabled it to sustain a heavy taxation. But that enld never be the case again, as tang as Peel's Bill was in ex-
_ st:htletncee a Bill which the first breath of war would blow to
Pieces. He agreed with the late Sir R. Peel, who tele' his sun
the bill cculd not be carried into effect without ruireng
its country. lie could acquit sic in the Income-tax, with all
its objecti'mg, if he could believe, as was said, that
,taxed the rich atid spared the poor. But it was,
.Th'ect, ae tax which drew from the poor through the rich.
dit tba would ceimpsl every prudent man to curtail his expen-
uree and to make a budget. for himself, to meet that of the
han
, ceder of the Exchequer.—( A laugh.) What would be
r`e• :feet of such a diminution of expenditure of the rich, but
ewer ased suffering to the poor, whose distress was already such
Tu. call for the most serious cortoderation of Government
• hear. ) It was awful to anticipate what might be the
esssrt inenees of that distress, and there was no greater objection
-e(e eo
s, e Proposed tax than that it was calculated to inerea, it.—
ACar, hear.) The Income-tax it was admitted, on all sides,
k ,td be rererred for a time of war ; but it was said that we
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tousent 4. t war in China and Affghanistan. Now he contended
thfte uniustifi.ible wars having een undertaken without
Parliament, Parl amenbt could not be called on to
gr"l7eviddefor the expenses.—( Hear, and a laugh. ) It foreigners,
;te . Sr
escape the tax, were to withdraw from our 'furies
Ip, tttock which they held in them, anti which amounted to
be se-yuA)O/-, he 'called upon the House to conseter what would
easee,offeets upon the currency of the country.—( Hear, hear.)
iete Lord concluded by giving his hearty support to the
ton Of the Nr lONq opposite.
Lord BEA UM jaraid, that although he had given a
• do:_ltfle against the amendment of the Noble Marquis (Lane-
' b 27,), on Friday last, becatue he disapproved of some of the
11;070..itions of the Noble Marquis's resolution. still he could
%etre an unqualified support to the measure of the Govern-
that ;not because he thought an Income-tax inadmissible, or
uto the deficiency which was painted out hy the scribblers of
( ontinent as the gangrene which Was eating into
ea"...:• strength of England, did not. exist ; he ebjected to it be-
' 1-eeZtio ,tt Was a,ceompanied with measures which he believed to
`selefiete The late Government sought to make up for the
cilia °eY by means of the Customs, and to raise revenue they
loesseCueit'd profection. But the tariff of the present Govern-
lkieed`u3ndoned protection, a principle to which they were
' •
• hose sl4 they also abandoned the revenue to be obtained
s,_
-which Customs, so that they increased the very difficulties
:lb they alleged as the excuse for the imposition of the.
'totee°lll estax•—( Hear hear.) They had admitted to one set of
*l4: aelialets that the tariff would yield no revenue, fur no cattle
theof s would he imported; w hilst to those who complain d
elet, "come- tax they said—" You w.ll be able to pay it, be-
teq Y"11 will get proiisions cheaper."—( Hee-, aud laugh-
vid, lie contended that the termer paying one half ef his
epic °rt!se tax, as well as that which was directly levied on him-
ttherunid
actually pay a greater proportion of the tax than any
e.lasti of the commueity ; whilst his condition would be
kerkritswlely deteriorated by the operation of the tat iff upon the
tot, e' fee his produce. Where did they expect to obtain a
pranee Pensat ion for those evils of the tariff? Did they expect that
would take their linen? Did they think that Mr. Clay
weeeld relax his tariff? Or did they look to the East, where they
utterly powerless ?—(Hear, hear)
everytm—fro the Court~bis of
'oat ell Russian agency excludedeverything that was
'else Russian.—(Hear, hear.) How did thee expect, then, to
a.
• revenue from Customs which would eiialle them to
te
eup this tax at the end of three years. They could not
' untlnish the expenditure. They coo not reduce the army
'See" 14173'; and they would be compeleed either to continue the
sa. or to find a substitute far it. What would the country
el'', too, when the three years should have elapsed, for which
r iod this country was asked to enact this tax? He thought
Ale Government was bound to say what they would do then.
ewleeld they ask them to renew it, or would they come forward
annher budget? Had they shown anything which
'ese,-9114 induce the country t,, hope that this tax, or others,
Old then be removed On the cnntrare, they had not
Cewn that one. Commissioner weuld be done. away with, that
;4114
o.ss-rates rutwold be reuced, or that there was the
l'lt..Vrobability of this tax being removed. All t;;xes nu t
..tee,,eLnmre or leNs by those who 'Aid them, but the differ-
-I,WiteZt,sleeen those taxes and the become-tax was, that they
".Ites.e;," their expenditure. A man might spend his money
ll.ltitteehorses, and dogs ; if he did that, to what extent he
k:11 !able "(Mid have to pay, and the tax would thus be con-
ztti not 86 that a very niggardly man, though a very rich one,
;Jett Pay those bars at all if he eschewed the
eerrere:," which they were levied. But it was widely
tth. *ith the Income-tax. The Noble Earl said that this
diet required for the purpose of prosecuting wars in Aff-
oid ein titid China. He objected to that ueon principle. When
raised to defend our country's shores from a foreign
4ett:tetwiltnen he would say that every man should pay for the
.ecte volt carrying on of such a war ; but compare that with
▪ Asia, '°ls% unjust, unconstitutional war, now carrying on
b%else ' and the widest difference must manifest itself between
ias etni. tbe Most careless observer. Instead of these wars
oiat,ioe neeeded with, they should in his
tat) n.
(Lord Beaumont's)
▪ , is for ever blotted out trom the stage of British his.
tt? Noble Marquis had left out his remark' about the
9's speech might have had some little effect ; as it
• eeoll-ord Beaumont) should net vote for the amendment
ble
m Marquis, but must give his voice in favour of the
t
Ifso is;
eq
he t`tife rITZGERALD thought that the w hole cf the argu-
%ra th Noble tord who had just sat down were so many
,11ivitsat he thought there was a necessity for this tax. The
.Ipirll.ol:(.leesed for arse sears, that the Government might
nPeertunity revising the whole of their arrange-
!hv
ord had told them that he protested against
tilt in which the country was now engaged. If the pre-
-14 oesolern,_ ment were reeponsible for the embarrassments in
(eeirdis tne country was placed by those wars, then the Noble
Hear, ?nservattons 'would-have been a little more pertinent.—
taaithti he Hoeever magniloquent the Noble Lard
-teje,t ee in denotninatine those wars as unholy and
he (Lord Fitzgerald) thought that the Govern-
tely vit3 present preiceedings in India and Cl.ina, was
ta Tatitig the honour of the country when it was called
Anynf(,() w•—(Hear.) He did not share in the de•pon-
ts•telese- the Noble Lord, with r,gard to thv United States of
Ored 4' when he said that there was no prospect of any im-
oltteeZnenercial arrangements with that coin-dry. He (Lord
!tile Nd) did hope that the good sense, and the n federation
e4.,11114.„ °6le Lord, who was h floured with a inis-ion to that
‘4,` • 4, and '
woitte,a that the good sense and moderation of the two
Agit% I,_Weeuld lead to a more cheering prospect than, that in
etei 17, Nolz,e Lord indulged. He thought the Noble
.Lord
teo,l,e been more cautious in advancing those npiumn!.
Zltild.b:ght Co that the immense districts of Central Ada
wbstiow to lunch improved, and that beneficial results would
to at this country in consequence. He now turned with
that
erene,
to the speech of his currency,n Without
174 it g:a threiugh the mazes of he must say
tilß 1
ts heard from him no argument against this tax, except
. in kens 40 inquisitorial tax. That was a strong objection;
sZthei-4,,1Qr tO it, he need do no more than to point to the
hft4,„,"" the Noble Lords, who had always answered that
thteh ''ttred to the speech of the Noble Marquis, who had
1/0,14 t the
~so be
son otion before the House that night. he ansoer
rt,-Nt. nd in the want of revenue. If the Noble Lord
• ta ttaY that he would raise a deficiency of from two mil-
i
we.tote„,n Millions and a half annually by re-inieosing the
ne increas'ng the assessed taxes, he (Lord Fits-
q%,
(Would leave it. to the country to accept of that propo.
the proposition of her Majesty's Government. His
11.F.ted•Zsd saw no objections to those taxes. Had it never
:16„Le•tai his Noble Friend, that the evasion of the
ROss ePtliht easily be made, by shutting up the
Pan 'retcs Noble Friend he knew would not do it. He
(Wl* ee." enlarge his le use for the express purpose of
e !,Itcreaeed hter ) His Noble Friend,
elde • eri ni• • wasg .
e„, este, ja Clanricarde), the forem.ost the other evening
IV him th di,euss the principles of this Bill. It was stated
• Ilea (1.0
alait the d n had only been on the details.
tit
tteth '4.014 qr'ald) must say, that he thought the
.dis.cus-
ite,e flip nt,ght were very much directed to the pi nu:4.les
See& of, per he speech ol the Noble
one`iscount, late et the
he'ePr"laiest's Ministr was directed exclusively
vt• Klee; of the Bill. The Noble Visieunt said that
0" the t withmuchand
ot ax had met too opposition; he
st..elneet l'ered to say that if he were at the head of the Go-
, Ai: 'end beu.e would not carry out the Bill, or perhaps extend
etto;dNulsle (Nfleisntd Fitzgerald) heard it remarked, that until
the ilia count came to his last sentence, he said not one
hmtintise. ta„endment of the Noble Marquis which was before
heen o rite Noble Friend (Clanricarde), however, if he
kailnigistntbsi to discuss the. principles of the Bill on
rrl•r:1 had atnple revenge to-night.—(Laughter.)
ne'qeaf the ud havnig replied to the Noble Vi-count's
establit.t.,:pesnwiple Cr evening, said he was not opposed to the
Ott 'lf the tax provided the necessity were es-
slue e conteheeel, that the necessity had not been
thp;v n.6res and 'barged the Government with having created
t I?ord.,tb-Y
as (Lord Fitzgerald) would ask fearlessly of
oee `Pee as
VII t would ask of any man in that country
eik°tlint,ttv s outed to direct his attention to the affairs of
sfeitieferi this was not a new subject—whether the
ftlajist,.;l. Is.'s" of this country had been exaggerated
tlit_trihatzthus:titx,:.ty_e.a.):stkiilovern en t ; and if they had, whether they had
e Present Government ?—( Hear.) During
a.surn of ten millions sterling had been added
Facie
e was 'net dabs' and •
ties note ,
_that (luring a time of peace ; and
e. /1_ eeettency of two and a half millions to be
oße ditT;,7tu.l(l,_ llek them did he exaggerate the elfficul-
n(thi . '444 not st a
e could not exaggerate them. His Noble
11144.tsliatisltiiitted (4;1,;i11"'"` he proposed to make up the amount
rto other a't
1444,r,,,st,.aovut7ionfgithhei late ate.: N' lise):* No other financial propositions
.litiistry had been proposed, and he had
ertiative than that tio.v befdre the House.
;;..i
.3, t
it
was to the c untr the Government did
thatb w, 45
"e Wll.lOl would be -wee Aide to tee
,o pee' IA as a 'as presentee, upon t
4"'"ltv.
" "ewhiell ‘.. ' Ph
ground of
eree..,eosal of th little remarkable., however, that on the
teote of the
e'' ineesure it not only did not meet. with the
Niideert.ai Press:, of the Noble Lords opposite, or of
tlits'l,* had be but that MTh! L • and their
Nitat en wend e ort s cisposit
were at successive times amongst
,i;;;:eettl'Slyttr.,,b:eherdsx,,,°,:h:6l:oll:::riinont..,:dp,,iffes of an Income-tax. He found
.z..iy.,l!nel that for a week Lord Alihorp,. of Mr. Poulett
rtii7lisd
mofeathsteiirres,didLonrodt Comeneettleutoitni;
kettillilttheaw
, e, utioniore ft
th at . .e oirspi.go:e_ntbse of the Ministry, and as they
opponen.s had themselves argued in its favour,
had a
would not say to complain—
beisis iret jr.,lect, at the manner in which the ques-
nOlgt Lords its that Lime. —(Hear,