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London, England, 1816-10-19 00:00:00

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Sttocr:tigo SurcinC-:-N Inquiii!!on
‘‘',ls. At
,tlle Sonlos. Arm., (iren
s trvet , To h; he,t‘re ..I.IIO.:I,As,SIIHLI NG,'
Coroner for Nlid,ilesex, hotiVl4.7l,li:
Py;kei at, Ext..be p tTT er, de,,,cl 3 i years,
whose death w.ts ors a..ioti.td own CI a
61("Vinguu 111 S lirailtS with nloan..d pistot„
Susauha Itt f ~gg " Iwhiwile of Itohert
Hoag, Coutelt-paiincr, null live at Nn I, Siducy-
strect,.Stnners Yesicttlay about
Iliac o'clock, I heard the report tit pistol ;
watt Ili owp.. room
,(the ;door); on hear-
in,; the report I immediately Inn 111, stairi_ and

burst opvit tl.le rtiom door, ‘vh els was I,+ck.
tct. After the do pr was burst open, I saw Mr.
Pyrite lyini; Over the !Jed, with one. hand to leis
mouth ; be was then alive, and I was So alarmed
that I
ran out of the room down stairs. Mr.
Rowe and Mr. Mathias, surgeons, were sent for,
they came accortlingly, He Was, almost
stantly, us long as I knew him, in a state of
toxication. The preceding night, when he Caine
home, he rentaltied above an hour sitting in the
passage, hut whether it was through derangement
of mind or-the effects t,t liquor I cannot tell. He
was an Excise Otlicer,;lnd a copper-plate printer by
trade ; and j never saw him in asotind state tif
mind." •

Matthias: Rowe said, I live- at No. t!
rendon-stpiarg, Somers Town, and 1141 a Sll-11.;'enits
I'v,ts 1101 klC9llllillll W4l W 1 the deceased. About
tiine o'clock yesterday morning 1 was *Ol for ti)
%lilt the deceaSed. I Went to the house where ha
now lies, and found hini lying on Isis bock bit bed,
weltering in his blood. The room was filll of
smoke, and a discharged pistol lay on the table
near the bed, which it appeared he had discharged.

into his motith•. lie repekitedly said, as well sus he
could'speuk, 'Kill me, kill me hasqt no doubt,
from the door being locked on the iuside, but he
must hove committed the act himself. 1 was in the
room about an hour before he died; the braiu was in.

"lured, the upper jaw sli'rvered to pieces ~anti hit teeth
Were dropping out. It appeared, from a cut ricrdis
his throat, that helmet previously attempted to .Jut
if with a knife,.whiels lay covered with blood on
a table near hint ; and that he had alterwaftls at-
tempted to bang himself 'with one of his garters.
Which was suspended from the bed-tester, and was
broken from his weight."
!George Geffries, who lodged in the house of the
deceased, said " was usually in a state of intoisi,
catkin, anti acted in •t very incoherent manlier."
Peter Whitehair, watch-house-keeper of Saint
Pancras—" 1 have known the deceased upwards
°l' two Mr's •be was a man very much addicted,
to drinking, and was frequently brought to ilia
watch-house gait.: in a di Mike!) wispia state, not
behaving like a rational bekg ; • god he frequently.
stopped persous with goods in the streets, under
the pretence of their not having s regular
amongst whieli was an instance of his stopping
titan with a keg of small bear ; but 1 hive not
deco hits) this last fortnight, and I tipidi,
his constant state of intoxication, his mind most
have been deranged.".
John Rook, being' sworn,said7--" Indge at
North-street, Vitzroy4quare, and am by
trade a Cali'pet•lll3l.o.l. 1 have, known the de.
ceased about three years, and knew him 'alwayshe very much addicted ailiquor. 1 have lodged
in the saute (louse with him, all the time 1 knew
hitn, and I haveliardly ever known him to be so-
her. About two months ago he made an an erupt
on Iris wife's life with a razor, but she took It
trout him and gave it to me, and I secured it, X
was in his room about seven o'clock yesterday
morning, whet' he and his wife hall some words j,
he pulled out a penknife, n hich he opened, anti'
with which Lie attempted to stab her. I gut hea
tweest thou), and he said to me, '.ll.oofe, t wilt
cut my throat !' and with that be drew the kn:fee
across his neck, and inflicted a wound,. anti I
;forced the knife out of his hand. 1 tlica left him,
and accompanied his wife to Marlborongb-street
Police Office, to swear the peace against bins; hut
I saw him no more 'until he was dead, In the
,morning he took...me by the band and • Shook it,
awl saint, Roofe, this day I rattan to Cut my
throat Or blow my brains out.",
Here the evidence finished, 'and 'after 'a
short
eonanitation, the Jury returned a Verdict--" That
Isis:death was oceasiouctibT his shooting
whilst labouring under a fit of temporary derange...
menu"

ANovun,Stnctrige—lAn Ingillsition was also
taken yesterday -at the City of Llttrelord Tuvero,
King-street, Nlary-ic-bone,l)efore Trios. &vitt-
Lam, Esq Coroner for Middlesex, upar the 'body
rat Corporal Thomas Woodhonsrp who bykogl'd
to the 'AI) TrooP id the 2d iteginient of Life
Guards; stationed- at King-stieet stables, Port-
man-square, who cut his throtit with it ritzor nut
Wednesday afternoon, and pearly severed his head
from his body,

Neydiet—‘' Died by hie own hands in a fit of de.
fit .

SUDDEN DCATH...-011 tilt 9th inst. a nun tiam.•
Ca Wm: tddetts went to n public-house in WM
verhampt on, and remained there about five hours,
when he expired in the presence of the company ;
but,his death was not ascertained for some minutes
aftr it had taken place. Two nephews -of the
deceased, told eight or ten other persons, Were
present..

Awiw t. VistrArtoN.--Tite princinai man ser-
vant
at a respcutaine lartnAtott.,e, in the of
Nen,. Church, (.'.ininiirtheinkhlte, while tainenting
ttil tilt-settee from Abergsvilly fa;r, lfn tVedi)rs-
- st'uni,ght, used such horrid oaths Awl irnpre—
as tftliett fro'iii a lei vant in the.
smile house, a 'retnitt k, that contitorett
ter 'Pilch yrniAte 4011 bitOplivritOtif, exple,iii4itt%;
CuU
ttailtly go to hell. 'lO this he Preatttupw
th.t " bot snit liill.,
As there is rili plenty of tire there to ii;1111 his pipe.'.
tie 'hien i cot.iteut to aft oat.litiostt;lit whtch a tor..
petiter,WaN, at wo,k, twit front thence to the eitri'r
lii?‘,3 ;s ttst_t;„,%i't',l; (h.
ere.4,,i.in the course of teei minutes, fits
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COAL MARKET, Ocrohttie
shimm Marlitt, Ship% /vitt,
Get Ntwv.thtte
.. • .... (id. 10 4111. NI.
stow. tod, to —4. 04.

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POLICE OF 'I. Ile 111E111.0POLIS.

LSir DkNIFL NVILL!ANS, Kitt. again examined.]
Did you attend the licen,.ing Of public...houses
years 181,1 and )815 I—l did.
Tittle were' complaints kid against particular
Siblic.iiouSes by the churchwardens and some of
the priucipal iiilsahitants in that district, in both
tliO,e years, were there not ?—I think there

velye.
PArtieularly nainst the public-houses known
tic the lid Mei of the Duke cif York, the White
11,01, mid the raviottre Arms think there

,• re .
Did you know in the year 1814. flint the offi-
eer6 of the parish had complained of thwe
public-
-1,0,, scs to the magistrate of the Shadwell Police
()lice ?-1 did tint know it.
:Was there not a memorial presented to you Anti
tilt rest of the magistrates, stating the scandalous,
'isolecent, and licentious conduct which daily and
took place in those houses I—There was.
That setts in the year 1813 r--1. cannot say What

year it was in.
In consequence of those complaints, you took
autay the licenses of some of these houses
three._
The nett year a petition was presented by the
partied, to have the houses re-opened; was not
that the case ?—There was such a petition pre-.
sewed, and also a petition from certain inhabi-
tants, praying that the licenses might be restored.
Was there not also a representation on time part
of the parish officers, as well as by many of :he
respectable inhabitants of that placed:raying that
they +night not be restoredl—The pardes praying
thrt they might not be restored, and the parties
prayint .that they might be restored, were both
-calls d in together, told heard in each others pre.
se,nce what they had to. say.
`The houses that were objected to in the year
11-1 were not the same Louses that were shut up
1813 of cotirse, thry being the King's
Arms, the lihick Ilorse, the 'Angel, and the Shin 3
cm recollect their names'at -all. •
you receive a nmniorial, signed by the
in'irish Akers,. against those houses 1-1 do not
:recollect.
"Do you recollect whether evidence was Offered'
,
to be tendered so the, magt,trates, that the same
parties twee connected with thine houses., who
were conuecced with the former libuses, the
Mkt! of York, the White Hart; and the rat/lours'
,Altus ?--No,
•I do not recollect that.
Yost sln not recollect Whether any evidence to
"-that effect was °ilead to the. magistratei 3-1
Catmot , charge my memory ; whatever. evidence
was offered was necessarily received.
Did you not at the time know, when the licenses
were granted and the !louses reopened, that the
Duke of York and the Paviours' Arms were kein
by the .same parties' against whom the original
c4ooplaint Was made 3—To the, best of my recol-
lection, two of the persons were restored their
iicenies, and I believe it was upon this ground :
the principal complaints against them' were, that
they
,had, what was mentioned as cock'arol hen
clubs, and that they had a lung room tor the re-
eeptio;t of those persons ; a representation was
made, that those long rooms were totally destroy-
ed, nod the magistrates personally went, and saw
that that WelS, the case.
%Vzts it not offered to be proved,to you, that
though, in the Mike of York. particularly, the
lOng.room had been shut up as a' daliCitlg•tandl>
yr t teal it hall beets changed into a gin shop, and
that there were shoals of prostitutes arid drunken
persons going in and out at all hours of the day ?
I be that all thoie houses smite!. Under' the
;. believe • •
slime roof of a gin-.4hop and a pia-die-house, a tap.
Toon* for,the reception Of those Who thought pro-
per to go there, and a bar for those who thought
proper to go there.
Was it not offered to he proved-before- you, that
scenes (1 drunkenness', riot, atsd 'debauchery, were
cou,t :may practised in 'those-houses 'believe •
that such evidence. was of sueb riream-
.
stances having occurred there.'
Haying shut up the horses for their being the
resort of Wantons characters of boils sexes, and

there being pscenes of riot, drunkenness, and de-
Wudiety, constantly practised Ocrein, Why did
you permit t'lcni to be re-opened while in the
trApas of the same persons?--The, magittratei de.

terinioed they should.
Can you state, as one pf the magistrutes pre-
what...were the motives that govtirtted your
own conduct on that tnrasion ?—I did not take a
particular part ; I was merelithe ch*ntan of the
meeting, and iliereforc did not personally inter-
fere.
Was the question then decided unanimously
1, 410 not recollect, I should hardly suppose it was.
This was a subject that created considerable
euskioi.,ftmong .the, magistrates,_ was tt tidt 2-4
consider not at all.

Wu i it not a lint4StiOn in which there was much
matter of dispute between the magistrates on this
*object, kiwi the chin cip.% ardetts...ltt the brat! of
whom was Mr. I,letcher carjainly not.
Were not Mr... Fletcher and the other chinch-
wardens extremely anxious that those houses
ahoii!ti not be te•opened ?—Mr. Ileteher, and the
rt.icty at the head ut which lie was, were anxious
that they should tot he re-opened, and another
'arty of vet y respectable inhabitants were anxious
that they should he.

Mr. net Orr was one of the chorchwordens ?-
1 do.oot recollect. whether he vas in office 4)r not.

In.point of.tect, did not the officers 'of the pa-
rkll re4st the opening of the houses ?-;—Some of
them miglq, but
.1 do not know that it was unani-
mously rcia4e(l by the parochial officers ; the par-
ties i!1 that parish had been in a state Of dissension
for •Aonie tinge past.
Do you think it was a party that led to the op-
pniltion to the opening of those public-houses, or
0,4( it wits a disposition on the part of the parish-
vtlicers to check those scenes of riot and disgusting
tichattchety that assailed the eves and ears of the
inhabitants and other persons every hour of the
day and night ?—1 cannot say what were their
nioti%es ; 1 suppose their motives were pure.
Slave aov complaints, beets laid betore you as a
rtiftjstrtite, since that period, of the conduct of
thtfAr hooso I—it k not in tuy diitrict.
. hen vitt caunot sty whether the same scenes,
wbiest were se repreltettdcd, continue ?--No, 1.

cannot say. Thz.re is one tl!ing Y wish to observe,
that the greatest care and attention is paid by the
magisttates to the moral conduct of publicans ;
and taking the whole class of publicans in the
Tower Hamlets, I do not know that there is a
better regulated set of people in the metropolis
they are never at a licensing meeting. without re-
ceiving an admonition from the Chairman respect-
ing their conduct ; and that no one its that situa-
tion might plead ignorance of what the law is,
and how it stands at present, the magistrates, at
their own expellee, have printed a short abstract
of the laws respecting public-houses, and dis-
tributed nue to each publican.
Do you recollect whether Mr. Joseph Fletcher
tendered himself to be sworn to give evidence in
order to prove the charges' that. were laid against
the houses above•mcntioned !----1 tlo not know
that he did very probably he might. •
You do not recollect having refused to receive
it ?-L-No:
The Committee arc to understand ihat.the con-
duct of the publieaus in your division is in gene-
ral praiseworthy?—Most certainly.
You were asked yesterday, whether you could
give the Comistittee any information rdative to the
licensing of the Marlborough public-house, Fliily-
well-stteet, Shoreditch, kept by a man of the
/name of Charles Price ?-1 have enquired since 1
was before the Committee yesterday, and was iti-
forrned, that about five or six years since the land-
lord's license was suspended in consequence of
complaint of his 'bating been repeatedly convicted
of permitting tippling in his house; the landlord
petitioned, nod wes heard in his defence, and the
magistrates restored! his license, rand he is now, as
1 understand, keeping. the, same honer. About
the character of trice I know nothing.
Are you sure it was like or six years ago, and
not in 1813 or 1811 ?—Upon inquiring of one of
the licensing magistrates' clerks, this 'Morning, I
have learnt it was live or hix years ago, and, ac.
cordmou the bust of my recollection, it cannot
be gas's.

Do you nor recollect that it was nut one con-
viction for tippling, hut that there were four or
fi,e, and one for suffering it during divine ser-
vice ?---It was very likely so.
Have you any recollection that the honse was
stated to be very disorderly, awl the landlord a
person of very indifferent character I—No, 1
have not:
The' Committee have before them a copy of the
• informations laid at the public office,
.Warship‘
street, ShOreditch, against Charles I.trite ; acid "if
appears from them, that Lye was convicted for'snt.
tering tippling in his house, by Joseph now.,
Esq in November, 1813, in 104. penalty ; by
John Gifford, en.' the' 4th March, 1814, in
104. penalty ; by Sir William Parsons, on the 22t1
of April, 1814, in 10s. penalty ; bY3obn Gifford,
Esq. on the 29th April, 1814, In 10s. penalty ;
by ditto, net the 17th of October, 1814, in 10s.
penalty ; it appears, therefore, that instead'olits
being five or six years ago, it is only two years
ago I—Whether those are the identical' Convic-
tions Upon .which the 'maul' license was stispend-
ed," I do not kithw; but I can only say that I
know nothing as to the facts : Was in conse•
queoce of a representation from that office that
th'e' man's license wiii..saspentied; there cuts a
petition to have the license restored ; it was
heard, and int:onsequence of that he was resturii
td, and is now landlord of the house.
. Was 'it net known to the liceosinginagistrates
at the meeting, that the magistrates at Worship-
street set their faces directly against the licensing
that house 1-1 do 'know that they set their
faees" against that heuse or not ; the representa-
tion front.that office was laid before the meeting
of magistrates, and the license suspended in con.
seqiience of that representation : the man pea..
dotted, and was beaul upon his petition,- and
what he had to urge in his defence ;, and upon
fine consideration the
.inagistrates determined to
restore the licease, which was accordingly done.
Should you not think, acting as tt licensing
magistrate, that if in the course of 41 months a
persOn was five times convicted of breaking the
,law before a magistrate, in- suffering tippling in
that he was a person to whom you
would.not feel yourself PA-Stiffed in regranting hie
license /-1I such a circumstance came before me
aati magistrate, I should have felt myself bound
to have indicted him upon bis recognizance, and
if be bad been found guilty upon that indictment,
-he would haie been incapacitated from keeping a
puldle.honse for three'years.
-The question that was asked,,Was net what you
_would have done by way of
,augmenting the pu-
nishment, but that, whether a man being guilty
-those-offences, for which he had been tined by
three different magistrates in the course of 11.
!months, you would not think that a sufficient
pause to Warrant the liienSink magistrates in re-
fusing to re-license his bouiel--Xertainll.
Should you not think that a house licensed,
with thOse convictions 'against the publican, on
act, to say the least of 'it, highly irregular
would ill become me to call in question the judg-
ment of other magistrates.
You are asked, as a magistrate, whether you
would think it within your duty to license a house
against which there bad beenlive -convictions 1—
It would all depend upon such, circumstances as
might occur in the defence of the- individual, as
to the extenuation of the offences.

Theo you have no doubt that this person made
out such a case before the magistrates es to war-
rant them in passing over the five different con-
victions that he had received in the course of thfit
preceding year ?—I have no recollection of the
circumstames of the case: doubtless the magis-
trates telt themselves justified, or they would not
have done it.

There was another case, of which you said yrin
would inquire, namely, the licensing a house in
St. Genrg.'s in the East ?—I stated. at the time,
that unless I could be informed of the name of the
street, and also the sign of the house, it would
be impossible for me to speak to it.
Then you do not know any thing .more upon
that subject than what you knew yesterday ?—Cer.
tainly not. .

It has been stated to the Committee by different
witnes4es that have been sumntoned before it,
that there is a general prevailing opinion in the
Wnitechapel division, that a publican applying
for a license fur a .new 'Woe greatest

thrOwn in his way by the licensing
magift7ates, unless be conies with the recomaien-
dation' of Messrs. Millbury and Co. ?—I believe
that is not true ; it is to be considered that there
are twenty-six licensing magistrates, that a great
portion of them attend at the licensing time, and
it is not likely that the minds of those men .would-
be pervaded with any sad) unjust principle.
Do you menu to state, that the fact itself is not
true; or that the opinion is not true ?—I am per-
fectly convinced that the fact as stated is not true.
, It has' been stated, nut only that the fact is
.true, but that there is a generally received opi-
nioo that it is so; the fact yOu deny ?—Certainly.
Has it ever come to your knowledge that there
was that impression on. the minds of the publicans
!of your district ?—No ; excepting that I have
heard people any, that if thel had applied to the
house of Messrs. Flanbury for their interest, they
would perhaps have had. better success.
Do yott knowor can you furnish the Commit-
tee with au account or,- the number of new Mouses
that have been licensed, tora certain ",amber of
yeats ?—Nro-, 1 do not ; but licenses hard been
dealt out with a V cly slating hand; the aLcount
.reunited wiil be furnished as soon as the licensing
cleiks cast make it out.

In ni fat!., hive there been many appli,
CH I.lllh Millie I (he boat(' of iliAgisirettes. by Messrs.
y. for 'licenses ?—None b 3 thealielves per-
bona ly, I believe.
114%,e thvir agebts, Mr. Ariling, or. any one
,else ettipl-ytil by them, mode applicatitats to the
board tot lICCUbCS think not it is not pro-
bable.

I hen it never become a question at all cliscuma
at• the boaril,,ms.to the recommendation of pat ti-
eunit individuals to receive their licenses ?—Neree.

Then the sole question you have to discuss,
and the sole question you do discuss, is, whether
the neighbourhood wants the public-house, and
whether the character of the individual soliciting
to establish one ig good or bad ?---The principal
object of magistrates in licensing new houses, is
first of all to see whether the neighbourhood re-
quires such a -house, and they decide upon the
spot. •
And the principle of that decision is, whether
the neighbourhood wants the house ?—Whether
it. is the accommodation that the public requires,

Then you take •it upon yourself. distinctly to
say,- that the influence and authority of Messrs.
'llanbury and Co. and Mess's. Stables and %%11.
Hams, in-that district, has no more weight or ef-
fect over the board of licemsing magistrates, than
that of any other brewer or spirit dealer in the
metropolis 1-1 certainly so conceive it, because
,there are several other brewers and ,distillers in
(hat district who are proprietors of publie-hOuses.
Has it ever'cOme to your knowledge that by far
the greater proportion of those houses in that
neighbOurboorl are held by Messrs. Hanbury, or
that Messrs. Banbury and Co. furnish them with
beer ?—I have never made enquiry into that
subject.

Have you-in point of fact ever beard that it is
the case ?—No, I !lam not. it is natural to con-
clude, that a brewer 91 such eminence 113 Mr. Han-
bury, resiaing upon the spot, will ban more
houses upon that spot than any other brewer.
Are Messrs. Stables and tililliains,uho are dis-
tillers,..any relations of yours ?---Messrs. Stables
and Williams were not distillers.

' What were they ?—They were wine-merchants,
but are not now iii hii intss ; the partnership hes
been &solved above a twelvemonth.

Are they any relations of youis ?—Mr. Stahits
is a nephew of mine.
Wa' their trade set up at your expence, or at
Mr. Hanhury's expenee 3-1 believe Mr. Han-
bury never supplied an iota towards it in any way
whatsoever.
Then it is within your knowledge that Messrs.
Ilanbury are the proprietors of most of the public
houses in that neighbouVhooti that if not pro-
prietors, they furnish them with liquor ?—lt is not
within my knowledge any such thing.
Did you ever'hear thersuch was the case, or
do you believe it /—No, I do not believe it is
the case.

• Had you ever any conversation with Mr. Beau-
mont neon the subject of- licensing a house -in
Whitehorse-lane, Mile-end-road?—Mr. Beaumont
has applied for the licensing•two or three houses
'in that neighbourhood,
The Marquis of Granby is the one Which is al-
in&qi tol—He 'applied for it, and it was refused.
Did you ever learn 'that he had offered that
house to Messrs. Hanbury and Co. ?—No.
Did he ever tell you he had otTered to part with
the house to them ?-1 do not recollect any such
conversation ; I have very little intercotuse with
Mr. Beaumont.

Have you never heard that terms were propos-
ed by him to Messrs. -Hailbury for the parting
with that house

That he had received something in the nature
of an understanding that the ho►►se would he
censed if Mr. Banbury bought it, and that in
consequence of that being declined by Mr. Han=
bury, it was refused to be licensed 1-1 know of
no such occurrence ; the magistrates assemble on
the spot, and determine whether such house shall
be licensed.

It is not then the custom of the magistrates to
settle beforehand what houses they will license or
not I—Certaiiily not.
Are you accustomed to meet the day before the
licensing day to determine what betties
.you will
license or not ?--Never any-Web Meeting takes
plate; they-ave.-ad-m-14mb, and a notice is sent
to the.ditTereut licensing magistrates
.of the days
of meeting and the time of meeting.
Then there is no meeting between particular
magistrates,' ot, which you are one, the day before
t►,e licensing day, in order 'to-determine what
houses you will license or not ?--No. -
And that has never happened ?--Never.
You have stated that the partnership_between
Messrs. Stables and 'Williams is dis!=olved #--It is.

Dp they carry pp business seiarately
they have ratireti from business.

When you commit persons to prison, where clo
you commit to i to what prison i—if they sre for
further examination, generally the New Prison,
Clerkenwell, unless.there is some porticular cir-
curustaucg that wakes it tie-coma), to keep.-tinor

separated from others, a: :d in such cases we Om
them to the House of Correction.
What k the distance from your office to Clerked
well ?—I should suppose about three miles.
How are the prisoners conveyed backwards en'
forwards t--They are conveyed 'by an' officer e
wiled to the office, who executes the duties e
gaoler, either in a coach or otherwise.
But generally they are marched two and twi
through the streets ?-'--Yes.
Handcuffed ?—I suppose so.
Did you ever examine the prison of Clerken
well yourself l—Yes, I have.
tVtiat is your opinion of the condition of the
prison ?—That the greater part of it ought to b
polled down : that it should be extended, in peck
to accommodate the number of prisoners that ar..
committed there. 1 should suppose it is losowl
to the Committee that a meeting of the magistrate
did take place, irt.order to report to the countyth
state of that prison.; mid that report was accord"
ingly made, and a plan annexed, for the Tem°
making
of such buildings is were thought proper, and ti
an additional building to hold 200 wur
than the building now COO( ttillS.
po you not know that in that prison there
no classification of prisoners at all, with the ex
cept ion of the separation of mule from' female
Certainly there is not.
Do yon not consider that persons sent there fo
the first offence are rendered worse members 0
society when they come out than when they wen
in I—l certainly think they would not be invorrd
Do you not consider that the prison, itt the s(all
in which it is now, is discreditable to ;iremac&
I have already expressed !ha
my opinion.
very much increased within the last twenty yearsl
Do yon think the vice of shrinking to excess hi!
No, I do not think it has ; .in tuy own opininfl
I should think there has been a considerable di'
miDo nntion of that -vice.
you not think there is a moth less CI
sumptiou of spirits than there Was 20 years
s
I should consider that the consumption of PirYt
mast be much decreased ; I have no doubt of htl
and that the vice of intoxication -among the low
ranks is not so frequent.
(To be continued.)

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