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little delay as possible—that there should be no unneee ssal ey
interruption.—( Hear, hear.) On those grounds he the it% ht
it essential that the financial statement should be made as so on
as possible, and he would not think it necessary that .. I he
beforewhole ofb ethmeadAermity alntd
was
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should be determined, from the probable demand on the„,:. -:._ ; l'i
country for the protection of commerce, and the relatio us os ~.,;,-e.ri
the country generally, what would be the amount of the for ee tcl.,,
be kept up both of the Navy and Army. Consequently, % rhea •*,
the House came to vote as to the number of sea men _;vb
for the Navy, and the amount of the Army, he should be it's-
- in proposing that the House shoull resolve itself int o
a Committee of Supply, in which he should be able tol.osrtat: 06, ,-6,,
the financial views of the Government. He had stater: to tit, '4. 7e
House what was his own impression of what would be-
public convenience, but the course to be taken would dep 'Ol, .
11 01 1" -
the decision of the House.. De- did, however, earnest!)' °,°P '''
that the House would so far affirm the proposal to be ma ae a . '
to the amount of force, that he might be in a condition , 01 1,
Friday next, to explain the views of her Majest)'s Governm es '
with respect to the finances. With regard to the second rea k; ,
ing of the Corn Bill, if it was intended to take the principle c!',.; kw d,
the Bill into consideration he should fear that it would defer tl sdi li
.;;i4
period till Monday next. And if he could not bring it on at a 3's 4 0
'st
early hour on Monday, he would at once say that he would deft !Doi; '
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it till Wednesday. He would not bring it on on Monday s' -,' i". -.11
unless he could do it at such an early hour as to ensure it a fair • •

discussion.
Lord J. RUSSELL fully concurred with the Right• Hon.
Baronet, as to the importance of taking an early day for the
second rb.ading of the Cprn Bill. But the Hon. and Gallant
Member nes: him (Sir A. Leith Hay) had a most important
question to brin,;,, on, and which it would be impossible to leave
without explanatiov ; and he hoped the urgency of the present
measure, would lead iris Hon. and Gallant Friend to postpone-4

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his motion - e
Sir A. LEITH HAY said, from the wish expressed by the •
Noble Lord, and the statement that had just been made by the • '!
Right Hon. Baronet, the first Minister of the Crown, it was.
his most anxious wish not to obstruct the consideration of a- .• )
question of such paramount importance, and interest to the, •I' .40
country. He should net, therefore, press his motion.
Lord HOWICK conceived that it would by no means expe-
dite the measure, to have the second reading of the Bill fixed: ti
for Monday next.
The SPEAKER then put the question—That the Corn BM
be read a second time on Monday next, which was agreed to.
Sir R. PEEL then moved, that the House, at its rising, do-
adjourn to Monday next.—Agreed to.
WEST INDIA CLERGY BILL.
The West India Clergy Bill was read a second time, and or-
dered to be committed on Monday next. s'd
,
SUPPLY.—NAVY AND ARMY ESTIMATES. f) 4
The Order of the Day for going into Committee of Supply was
then read. js'f's
On the question that the Speaker do leave the Chair,
RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION IN THE ARMY. ai?
Mr. O'CONNELL, pursuant to the notice he had given
" On going into Committee of Supply onArmy Estimates, to it
call the attention of the House to the state of destitution, with •`i
respect to religious assistance and instruction, of the Catholics. fr
serving in Her Majesty's army : also, in like manner, to call
the attention of the House, on going into Committee of Supply
on Navy. Estimates, to the total destitution of the Catholics in
the navy, of all religious assistance or instruction in their
faith," said, that he would not unnecessarily detain the House
with this subject. But it was a matter that struck him to be
of vital importance, in connection with the supplies to be
granted to her Majesty for the purposes of the Navy.
The facts he had to state were unquestionable. It wee unques-
tionable that a very considerable number of the persons em-
ployed in the Navy were members of the Roman Catholic reli-
ligion. The proportion was not so great in the Navy as in the
Army ; but still Ireland furnished a large number to the Navy.
There could not be a higher character than that which the late
Lord Collin-wood gave of the boys brought up in the Navy.
Ireland did not supply so snany able seamen to the Navy as
England did, but its supply of boys was very considerable ; and ,
the seamen who had been brought up from boyhood in tile ser-
vice were found to be among the very best. Now, it being
quite certain that a considerable number of the seamen in the
Navy were Romnn Catholics, it must be admitted that,
in point of fact, no provision whatever was ,made
with respect to the religious worship or religlous, in-
struction of these seamen. Not a single shilling was e.nl-
ployed for this purpose in the Navy. Those seamen 10
whom he alluded had • no communication with the clergy-
men of their own persuasion—no period was allotted to then%
for religious instruction and prayer or communion with clergy--
men of their own faith. These facts were undoubted, and be
respectfully submitted to the House that something ought to be
done to remedy that destitution. It was quite clear that the
House would concur with him in his views on the subject,
and that it would be a means of inducing those who were dis-
posed to enter the Navy to enlist in the service, if some pro-
vision, such as he alluded to, was made.—(Hear, hear.) r'
It was equally clear, that to a certain extent the
destitution he adverted to must, to a certain extent,
operate against that class of persons adopting the profession
of their choice. He' was: not to be told that persons would
enlist in the service, notwithstanding the want of religious
instruction in it. That was the reason why that distinction -
should not be allowed to continue. Complaints had been made ; ortr:
and he had received many, comvlaining of the manner in 4 ' 94'
which they had been treated in this respect. In many in-
stances, their attendance at Protestant worship had been com-
pelled. Some complaints had also been made against the offi-
cers of the Coast Guard, who, in extenuation of what they had
done, stated that they had received instructions from the Ad-
miralty to compel men to attend prayers where there was no
Catholic church. He wished to know if any such instructions
had been given? and, if there had, whether there was andobjection to their being produced? The Right lion. and
Learned Gentleman concluded by moving for a copy of the in- - ' e
structions given to the Water Guard in Ireland respecting
Divine service, and the reading of prayers to the men.
Sir R. PEEL said with respect to the instructions, he was
not aware whether they bad been issued or not, but if they bad
he could have no, objection to produce them. With respect to,
the other matters referred to by the Right Hon. and Learned
Gentleman, he thought he had better abstain from giving of
answer at present, as he should have another opportunity
doing so.
The motion was then agreed to.

AFFAIRS OF SPAIN.
t ion of"
chaOirn. the motion being again put that the Speaker do leave the
Lord PALMERSTON sail he wished to ask a ques vhich
•ect to
the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) on a subj mem_ ' ,;
his attention had been drawn some time ago by the on
.
ber for the Tower Hamlets, and which he was sure had occ
pied the serious attention of the Government. He ought to ft!
apologise for not having given notice of the question, but he
was quite sure that the Right Hon. Baronet would be able at
once to answer it. The question of the Hon. Member :had re-
lated to the dangers which were threatened to Spain front cer-
tain proceedings in France. Since the time when his Moo.
Friend had asked that potion, reports had become still more,
prevalent, that enlistments at the depots, and organizations
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a very extensive character, necessarily involving
expenditure of very large Bus of money, wer_
now in progress in France, the avowed purpose of which vs 4. 0
to assist in an early irruption in Spain, for the purpose of pro-..
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meting the interests of Don Carlos in the: country. Now, n. 7,
could not doubt that the Government of this country ha" .f
made strong representations upon the subject to the Govern'
ment of France ; for besides the general interest which tn.,
Right Hon. Gentleman very properly admitted that Engi
must have in the maintenance of the order of things at; present )/100
established in Spain. the Quadruple Treaty, though nos nom r
re;,l
in such vigour that they could expect the parties to act up
its provisions, would, from its spirit which ought still to an'
fixate both France and England, justify the English Govern-, ;0,
merit in makiug str.:tig representations to the Government of
France, against any dalger to Spain originating in France,
which the Government of France had the power to prevent-
,4:tlt
He could not, therefore, dour.: t- that the English Government
had made strong representations to the Government of France
on this subject. He would rather infer from hat had Passe t
that the Government of France had given to the Goyernmel,
of England assurances that they would use those means w,ic,
were in their power to prevent this movement from talunr
effect. He could not believe that the French GovernMert,l
owing its origin as it did to popular will, founded as it si. w
upon popular institutions—he could not believe that that GO-:
vernment would lend itself to a con.piracy, the avosren
and notorious purpose of which was to control the .
will of the people of Spain, and to establish
either a despotism, or a near approximation to a despotism• i 3
that country. —( Hear, hear.) Certainly their inference of thei
power which the French Government possessed to cootr.
transactions of that kind within its territory would ex.,1)..,°5;
that Government to the imputation of connivance if notw'',3;
were done which would effectually prevent an outbreak.
therefore wished to ask whether, in addition to those assn'
rances, which he would take for granted her Majesty's tift,
vernment had received from the Government of France, ,!.",
every thing should be done to prevent this conspiracy tr%
taking effect—whether, in add:.tion to those general assures'cess'
they were aware whether the French Government was 91
not taking effectual steps for the purpose of preventing
in,2ntion in Spain on behalf of Don Carlos?.
gin R. PEEL said the Hon. Member fnr the Tose'd
d asked him wairtitvheercheerewbiansetaiweeareantdhateetheveret;
Hamlets h.;
in progress a .
gainst the frontier of Spain. Re "0
which was directej
he was aware that an active partisan !44
also asked him whethes.
the late civil war, Genera.' Cabrera, was actively engaged hie
iracy. He then stated that be
Paris in organisiug that cons}:
had no positive information ; that he had beard
ft
report, but that it was impossii;,le for him to s'lo,
whether General Cabrera was or 'yas not in Par 0
It had been supposed that he had asserted that Cabrera w,„
_vs° "(1,
Paris ; but he had made no such assertion. The Noble PS,
must excuse him if he could only say for the present that 1.
Government hal ,since its accession to power, maintained im
most friendly relations with the existing Government of Seca.. ,
They had done all that a friendly Government could do to co
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solidate that Government by counsel and advioe, where Ow
counsel and advice could with propriety be given to c0n6r00.,..
character. During the period of the existence of the sso q',
vernment now established in Spain, that country had, its 41"/
great progress in the restoration of order and the reviv„al lisp tt
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munications upon the subject with the Government of 11.11:0c a .404
but the Noble Lord must excuse him if he declined, us ...01s1 ;r9
sense of duty, to enter into details upon that point. Iltsvr,,,o's-ti
take that opportunity of expressing a hope that the
people would rally round the national standard—(Chee,'" ./
would forget their party disputes and internal divisions ; ;;:he'
they hadreason to credit the existence of thowconspiree,...,•- ost
trusted they would feel that this was a time wn''" "loos
the interest of Foreign Powers should be looked to, bet w
Govern
their own exertions should be directed to maintain the that
silent which ruled over them ; and if they did rally round defy.
Government, his belief was that they should be eenblased round
that combination, and their conspiracies, to whiehirep,ers)
Lord had adverted.—(Cheers.) With his (Sir de Ste.
opinions in respect to active interference in the doniesrep_43„
fairs of that country, he could not promise more than sy !•144/,
were
and cordial good will on the part of the British Grozlrz.
sq.
to the Government of Spain. But if the Spanish
animated by that spirit, by which a people struggling _ ' might-
dependence ought to be animated—( Hear, hear)— ne
deeopte
anndaueptiovne it that
etehteiyeew, would find,
boentle t parteym opf
ethttbilY;uilrlo:
terest in their exertions which would enable them ,t
tru.„h„
their independence, and to carry their Government
antly through any struggle to which it might be exp eV._ to
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that it was most ghat
wish pre. eat d among men of all parties ; namely,
odenee•
perceive from the answer of the Nblale Baronet, thtahtetbustpeeeto.
should be enaLled to maintain her freedom and indepet
wished
(Cheers.) Neither .the Government nor the couvilstwely de,
for any exclusive or paramount influence in Spain; all
isolidated,
sired was to see the institutions of that country cot _o,g
so that Spain might be enabled to take that high Pflaocrej:lie-
the nations of Europe which ought to belong to her e 000 00.
role character of her people. With respect to tl! for
mes
0t
iiM
which the Right Hon. Baronet might think it rig?..vAt goons stA '4
he (Lord John Russell) would not, after what the tug"'
tittle. lse!
Baronet had said, ask him for any further "Plapato Pttreae'
to what would be the proper policy for this country.o_
of syry,
whether it should merely be confined to the exporueniZldbeadoted,
pathy,whether measures of a more active nature shch
or what steps should be taken, must depend on•the t.
'
the movement against the Spanish Government reirtreeha.,:_,
ratter of c
If the steps taken in Spain should assume Ill!releountrito
ivil-war, dim would be unwise in Ibis

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