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missions, offices, or pensions, in the year 1829, distinguishing the
%muss of each.—Ordered.
The hon. and gallant MEMBER then moved for returns of all
eases held in reversion during the last year, distinguishing the
names of the parties.—Ordered.

WELCH JUDICATURE.
Mr. RICE TREVOR said he had to present the petition of the,
gentry and freeholders of the county of Carmarthen, against any al-
teration of the Welch Judicature. He himself was ready to concur
in any alteration which had for its object to transfer the power of
appointing the Judges from the Minister of the Crown to the Lord I
Chancellor, and to deprive them of seats in that house. If, however,l
nothing of that kind was intended, and that the object was only
to divide some counties and mince up others for the purpose of
snaking assize circuits, then he should most assuredly oppose the

suralure.
Sit JOHN OWEN presented a similar petition from Pembroke,
signed by 1.900 persons.—Laid on the table.
Mr. JONES said, he had to present a petition, to the same effect
cloak the borough of Carmarthen, signed by 400 persons, including
the two sheriffs of the county and all the magistrates. He com-
plained of the haste and secrecy with which the measure relating to
Welsh judicature wag carried on. Application was made on one
occasion to the members of the administration to know the inten.
liens of the government on the subject; and the answer was that
the matter was a kind of state secret. No information would be
given on the subject, but it was intimated pretty clearly that, who
the people of Wales liked the measure or not, they should be
forced to swallow it. He thought that the bill ought to be
printed and circulated, and the further proceedings postponed until
after the quarter sessions and assizes, in order that those who
were interested in the measure might have an opportunity of cond.

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Bering it.
Sir CHRISTOPHER COLE said a few words, which did not
teach the gallery.
Mr. PEEL protested against the attempt made by his hon. Mend
to appeal to the sensitive feelings of the inhabitants of the principality
on the erroneous grounds which he had stated. He said that the
measure had been made a state mystery—that the answer given to
as application made by some nameless individual was, that an at-
unapt was to be made to make them swallow the bill (to use his hon.
friend's own words), whether they would or not. Now, if ever
there was a secret ill kept, it was certainly this, for there was a
commission appointed on the subject, who recommended the mea-
sure, and it was discussed very amply in the course of last year.
He himself bad seen 16 or 18 gentlemen connected with the princi-
pality, who discussed it with him, and whose only objection was to
the proposal made to dismember the counties of Wales, in the pro.
priety of which objection he fully concurred. He begged to repeat
that no secret had been made of the measure, and that no attempt
would be put in practice to prevent them from seeing the bill, and
giving it all the fair consideration which persons interested in so
important a measure were entitled to.
The petition was then read.
Mr. JONES, in moving that it should be printed, again ex-
pressed his anxiety that the measure should be postponed to give
time for full consideration.
Mr. PEEL said he was willing to enter into a compromise by
promising his hon. friend that the inhabitants should have every
itir opportunity of considering the bill, if his hon. Mend, on the
other hand, would engage that no attempt should be made to defeat
it by undue delay.
The petition was then laid on the table. To be printed.
Mr. JONES presented a petition from the mayor, burgesses, and
inhabitants of the town and county of Carmarthen, to the same
effect. The hon. gentlemen said that he wished the bill to be post.
poned until the latter end of April or the beginning of May, and he
had no hesitation in saying that he should offer no unnecessary de-
lay in its future stages.
Mr. JONES then presented a similar petition from the
mayor, aldermen, and principal burgesses of the borough of
Llanelly.
Colonel POWELL presented a petition from the freeholders of
the county of Cardigan, against any alteration in the Welch
Judicature.

Mr. O'CONNELL moved for a copy of a memorial, addressed
by Mr. J. Macguire to the Duke of Northumberland, Lord Lieu.
tenant of Ireland, on the subject of certain prosecutions for murder
tried at the assizes of the county of Fermanagh. The hon. gentle.
man mentioned that some time back the Irish government issued a
proclamation prohibiting party processions, but that, shortly after
the appearance of that proclamation, a judge on the Irish Bench, lu
the exercise of his judicial functions, delivered a charge to the jury,
In which he laid down principles directly opposed to the spirit and
intention of the proclamation. He had an ulterior object in view
in making this motion, and hoped there would be no objection to
the production of the document.
Lord F. L. GOWER said he must object to a !course which
would involve the government in much inconvenience. If the par-
ties had any grievance to complain of, it was open to them to peel.
tion the house on the subject. He must therefore resist the produc-
tion of the document called for by the hon. gentleman. Some ob-
servations had been made with regard to a learned judge, to which
be felt it necessary to say a word in reply. He regretted to hear
insinuations made against any individual member of the hoicks.;
but with regard to the learned judge alluded to, of course it was
impossible for a person in his (Lord L. Gower's) situation to judge
of is merits, except by the reports which het h ; and as err.
tain insinuations had been thrown out against that learned judge—
(Jtilige Jebb—there was no occasion for concealing his name). he
felt bound to say, that if he were on his trial for his life tomorrow,
with a consciousness of his innocence, there:was not a judge on eh:
Irish bench in whose hands he should more readily trust the justice
of his case than in those of Judge Jebb.
Mr PEEL said that the grounds on which the honourable mem-
ber founded his motion appeared to him exceedingly dangerous. A
judge on the bench, it seemed, differed from the executive govern-
ment, of which he (Mr. Peel) was a member. The judges were
made independent of the government for the express purpose of
their controlling any disposition on the part of the executive un.
duly to interfere with the liberties of the people; and he trusted
the house would not assume that a judge was wrong because be dif-
fered from the executive government. The principle was ens
which, without much more explanation, he thought the house could
not admit.
Mr. O'CONNELL said he did not mean, in what he had laid,
to attribute any partiality to the Lord Lieutenant. Any one who
did so would grossly calumniate that noble personage. But he
would say, on behalf of the prisoners whose cases were involved in
the circumstances to which his motion referred, that they felt that,
having acted upon the view taken by the Irish Executive Govern.
meat and the advisers of the Crown in that country, their lives were
now placed in jeopardy by the collision of an individual judge'with
the...whose opinions they bad thought themselves justified in acting
upon as the safest grounds of their conduct. However, in conse-
quence of what had been said by the noble lord and the right hoa
gentleman opposite, he would withdraw his motion for the present,
and would, on a future opportunity, present a petition to the house
en the subject.
Mr. PEEL said that he only intended to state that he was a party
to the issue of the proclamation in question. The Learned Judge
had a right to dissent from the view of the Government, and to ex.
• press that dissent if he felt it ; and he objected to the production of
- any papers merely because a Judge did differ in that way from the
Government.
The motion was then withdrawn.
Mr. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the parish of
Sherborne, in the West Riding of Yorkshire, complaining of distress.

Mr. BiRING presented ► dmilar petiaon fiom the-inbabitas
of New Alreeford.
On tbs modon of Sir J. GRAHAM, the following returns wt

ordered s—The names and aeons of ill persons employed in the
civil departments of the kingdom, with an account of the salaries
and emoluments exceeding 111101. per annum, in 1815 and 1829 res.
pmively ; and a statement of the grounds upon which any such sa-
laries have been increased since 1815. The date of each increase,
and whether it arose upon the superannuation of the person rev,.
muly holding the office. The grounds upon which any office has
been created since 1815, with the total amount of salaries enjoyed
by all such persons in the years 1815 and 1829. A return of the
items of expenditure, including the conveyance out of home, and the
cost of outfit to our diplomatic and .consular establishments in the
new States of America, with thelength of service, and the salaries of
each since 1825.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM gave notice that, on Friday next, he 1,
should move for a return of the salaries and emoluments of civil andl
military officers, from the sth of January 1829, to the sth of Ja.
*nary, 1830.
The hon. baronet also gave notice that, on Friday, before the
house resolved itself into a committee of supply, he should
submit a motion respecting the recent appointment of treasurer of
the navy%
Mr. LITTLETON presented a petition front the proprietors of
iron works and collieries in the counties of Stafford and Worcester,
against the monopoly of the East India Company. The petitioners
acknowledged the relief derived from recent measures affecting their
branches of manufacture.
11r. HUSKISSON said that he remembered, his hon. friend
coming with some of those gentlemen to the Board of Trade, when
he was connected with that deprtreel, and he then told them that
they would And the advantage of giving an easy admission to the
iron and steel of other countries—an opinion for which the parties
were little dispeesd at the time to ve him credit, but he was
* eased to geltbat as*s altheosh in midst of peat difficuldes
they admitted the wisdom MA nedubmes et inset measures. He
was ambled that the dillealtia of the mantifeeturipg lamas&
would be now meek greseeribod mot a .foeflity and encouragement
been gives to the latadmedse of mahriele of manufacture from
kelp coestries. Ks flit bound to c— oeknowledgmeme to