The Sun.
London, England, 1820-06-27 00:00:00

CRIMINAL LAWS.

Sir J. MACKINTOSH rose for the purpose of shortly stat-
ing his intention to postpone the further progress of some of
the BIM he had introduced into Parliament in amendment
of the Penal Code of this Country. In consequence of a eon-
versation'which he had with the Law Officers of the Crown,
he was aware of their intention to oppose three of these Bills ;
and in the preneitt state of public business, and when the
•••iinl of every Member was occupied so deeply in the consi-
deration of one unfortunate question, he should think it ill-
becoming hint to press forward those Bilis which Were so im-
pot tant to the country. He entertained a reasonable hope
that there would be time in. the course of the present Session
to terminate the subject, but for the present he should only
move the second of those Bills on which he did not antici-
pate opposition.' " The Limitation of FOrgeries Bill," "the
Repeal of the Statute Act relative to Larceny," and " the
Navigable• Rivers' Robbery Bill," were the three on which
he ex rested opposition.. The other three he hoped his Learn-
ed Friend the Attorney-General would allow to pass their
second readings, leaving the discussion on them to take place
in the Corumiltee, on the bringing up of the Report.
The Bills intitled " Privately Stealiac in Shops' Bill,"
" Capital Felimies Commutation of Punishment Bill," and
" Capital Felonies Repeal Bill," were then read a second
tine, and ordered to go through a Committee of the whole
House oa Friday next.
TLIF, KING'S MEWS.

Mr. M. A. TAYLOR wished to make an inquiry, with a
view to the acconnondasion of the public, relative to the shut-
ting up of the King's Mews at Charing-cross. His object was
to learn whether it was to be understood that that passage
was permanently closed, and that another would be opened
as a substitute. Although •it had nut been a thoroughfare
for carriages, its shutting up was a source of great inconveni-
ence to many persona.
Mr. LUSHINGTON said, he was sorry that from the know-
ledge he possessed, he would not be able to give an answer to
his Honourable Friend. He suggested, howe‘er, that the
thoroughfare hail existed from indulgence only.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, he serer assinned that it was a
"right—be merely stated that the loss -of it was an incon-
venience. .

The House having resolved itself into a Committee of Ways
and Ilcans,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved a Reso-
lution for raising a sum of 1,500;0001. by means of Trea-
sury Bilis, for the service of Ireland. 'Pie Resolution was
agrEed to.

THE QUEEN.

Lord CASTLEREAGH rO6C in order to address the
►louse on the subject of the asljot►rned debate on
the King's Message, which stood on the orders
of the day fcr consideration that night. He must
at the outset state, that its consideration of the
situation in which the House then stood, after the
efforts to attain conciliation—after the efforts
which bad been made, and which, however little
hopes they might have entertained as to its termi-
nation, the Government had entered into it with
the utmost cordiality; it must now be considered
that every exertion of. Government and of Par-
liament was exhaus'ed, and that they could only
look at this painful subject as one which must,
for the ends of justice, be carried on with as little
delay as possible. Any thing 'which he should
have to submit to the House that night would be
founded on the impression he had just communi-
cated. Before he stated to the House the course
lie intended to propose should be pursued, l►e
would present very shortly to their attention what
had been the course of proceedings up to the pre-
sent moment, and was now the precise and actual
position in which the question was placed, and in
which the House !heti stood. He begged to re-
cal the recollection of the 1-louse to the moment
when Government declared it would be their
duty, in the event of the Queen's tetutning to
this country; at which time they had framed a pro-
ceeding in the course which they conceived would
be most consonant with Parliamentary principle
anti justice. It at that time Government had
adopted the course suggested by the other side of
the House, no responsibility of tiny kind would
attach to them ; but Government were always
ready 10 take a full share of responsibility on
themselves where the case required it ; and if
ti►ey rejected the advice tendered them on that
occasion, it was because the course tecomn!endeti

- was not founded on the soundest principles Of Par •
liamentary practice. For, ahhough_ Government
would not have shrunk from instituting any pro-
ceeding on the foundation of the charges brought
against her Majesty; supported by such evidence
as they were, yet they did feel that Parliament
would not be satisfied to adopt a measure of so
grave a nature, and against such an thirstrious
Personage. without being fully satisfied in their
oWn minus that there was prima facie evidence in
support of the charge. These, he contended, were
the most justifiable grounds on which Government
had acted in framing the original course proposed
to be-pursued. But the case had siece then un-
dergone an important alteration. On the first
night of the consideration of the subject, Parlia-
ment had consented to an adjournment avowedly
for the object of making an effort to avert the ne-
cessity of any hostile measures. It was perfectly
true, that, in the earliest stages of the business
her Majesty had been advised to protest against
any secret inquiry, aml accordingly she did, in
her first communication tO the House, desire that
no preliminary investigation might he allowed to'
rake place. In a later communication her Ma-
jesty had renewed that appeal, iar more peremptory
and solemn terms ; she hail renewed it in the
terms of an injured Queen; and therefore, in
offering to substitute a proceeding of a more
di-
rect character, he did not. anticipate any oppo-
si'ion on the part of her Majesty's supporters:
The 11;mse would recollect, that on the first
night of the discussion on this question, the ad-
journment was not proposed in order to see
what shape the proceeding to be adopted should
take ; but (Or the purpose of entering into a
negociation, in the hopes of averting alto-
toe her"the necessity of taking any steps on the
-
papers then before them. Without at:emoting •
'to cast obloquy on any party, he must ssy that
he did feel that there were certain strong
grounds for adapting the course then taken• tier
Pelajesty had intimated her readiness to yield her
judgment op to the guidance of Pailiament: From
the eommencement of the negociation, too, it bad
• been understood that the moment ' her Majesty
was restored to her dignity 89 Queen, she should
consider any Other arrangement as of secondary
consequence ; anal in effect, that sine qua non hav-
ing been granted, two intermediate persons had
been appointed, to whom were intrusted all\ other
matters of interest, patronage, or income. 'After
such indications, he should have thought that
her Majesty - would yield herself to the anxious
wishes of Parliament. Yet in a most authorita-
tive aone she had rejected what had never before
been done by any part of the same 111astrious
Family which -now filled the Throne of this
country.—(Hear, hear !)—Our history might be
searched without finding a case wherein this, or
any other family, had ever been found to treat the
request, so tendered, of that House.—(Hear,hear,
hear !)—lle did not state this . in a tone 'of re-
proach, hut the Houie could not but feel chagrin-
ed to have their counsel rejected when they ad-
diessed the Crown on a question deeply involving
the interests or the country, of a nature so serious
and sacred. On such au occasion would the
House not have desired to know who was the
Minister who had dared to advi3c the. Crown
against the recommendations, and in the very
face of the House ?_(hear, bear !)7--Bat it was
one of the many excellencies of the Constitution
under which we lived, that what ooMinister
would dare to advise, . an individual might- with
impunity venture Rradopt. That, MO:tricots hi-
dividual might repent the step whiCh hart been
taken. It certainly was a mast serious appeal
as ever was made to any Member of the House
of Brunswick ; and atter that, be apprehended
all.tbat remained for them to do was, to see what
course of proceeding was best calculated to put
tine matter in a train of judicial investigation,
now that they had done all they coold to avoid
that alternative.—(Hear, hear !)—Now, there-
-fore, that the case was fairly established on its
present altered state, it became his Majesty's
Ministers to make some alteration in the mode
to be pursued respecting it ; and if Parliament
could consent to receive a direct proposition ft OM
them, containing a definite statement of what.
the charges against the • Queen are, and the evi-
dence on which they are supported, he thought
that was tine course it was imperative on them to
pursue, and one which would he most consonant
with her Majesty's view of her own situation.—
He would now endeavour to explain what that
course of proceeding was which he thought would
.probably be best liked by the Queen.- With re-
ference to that part of her 111,jesty's Answer in
which she expressed her apprehensions of excit-
ing the resentment of the House, because her
Majesty had denied herself to an apelication
which no Brunswick before had ever done, he
trusted the course they should decide upon adopt-
ing would be such as would convince that Illus-
trious Personage that their object was nothing
but to pursue tine ends of justice.—(Hear, hear,
hear !)--lf, therefore, the House would' permit
of the matter's originating with himself, he was
prepared to say that-be had in view to bring for- •
ward a motion on a -future day, which would be
founded on the Queen's answer to the late Address
of that House. He was sure the. House would.
not wish him to go into a detail of the st
ature of
the motion, but be would state that it would have
this distinct character, it would put her Majesty,,
the House, and the Country in possession of the
whole of the evidence contained in the Papers on
the table relative to this matter.—(Hear!)—lf the
House should please, after hearing his, motion,
to go, on to institute any proceedings in the case,
without entering into a preliminary, intotiry, it
would have also that characteristic so veheruent•
ly demanded, viz.—it would be opens in itself.—
(Hear, hear !)—lf afterwards a prima facie case
should be made out, and it should he thought
proper to follow it op by evidence, that of course
would be brought for Ward. He must so far re•
vent to what had passed on this subject, as to
state that the matter was at present involved in
Considerable awkwardness. Nothing could be
more embarrassing than a judicial inquiry.—
(Cries from the Opposition.)—He , would not
°Ow look at the prima facie cause u but he con.-'
tended, and he bad time authority of Black-
stone for saying so, that nothing was more difli-,.
"cult iti
.itself, and nothing was more absurd 'than
to require that two judicial inviries on. the same

1 subject, should be Carried on at the sante time Ifl
the two Houses of Parliament. It both the Como
minces should,- as he could not for a moment
doubt they would, decide that there were sufficient
grounds for instituting and arranging sent iota.,
cial proceedings, he entreated the House to con-
sider' of the difficulty that would exist as to
vialiere the proceedings should originate. NOW.
he hoped the House would not think that be •:
undervalued .the capabilities of thet House ill
cases of judicial proceedings ; but it appeared fa
him that if they had determined that 'there was
cause for judicial proceedings, then they would
have waited to see what was the nature of the
proceedings adopted by the other House; and if
that proceeding were within the reach of their,
judicial functions, they would'in all erobabilitar
follow it up. ;That was the view which Govern-
ment had
_been induced to direct their proceed.,
logs upon, viz. that if the [louse of Lords took
the matter tip judicially, that House would mew!.
sarily wait. He wished it, therefore, to be nn-
derstood, that it was necessary to name some daf
for his motion, sufficiently distant to give to she
whet House, before that day should 4rri,,e, the
possibility of having framed some proceeding 03
this very important and grave accusation ; and
which, at the same time, should not be at a period
I too late tor the purposes of justice. In conse-
quence of this impression, be should name Thurs-
day•se'noight as. the day. on which be would be
prepared to offer a motion to the House, found-
ed on the answer of her Majesty to the 'Address ,
of that House.. He bad no hesitation in saying.
that he should desist froin making that .motion,
if the House of Lot:ds should have, in its' judicial
character, instituted any thing which must, in
due course, come down to that House. tior
after waiting that reasonable length of tune, he
did feel that, after all that bad passed, alter the
tact had been so broadly avowed, that the parero
on the table contained matters of charge so grave
agnitfit her Majesty, even if the Lords did not
institute any proceedidga, he considered that he
owed it tb her Majesty; and he trusted the House
would allow him to put the charges ,in such ta
shape that tier Majesty may be able to defend her
own character.—(Hear, hear, heat l)—He ha 4
nothing farther to state, but that -he was reatlY
to charge himself with the Whole responsibility of
originating this measure. -He allowed that tic
House ought to feel a degree of jealousy in fear-
ing it in the power of any Mioisterof the Cro'iva
to .bring against ber;Majesty-such grave chargefs
entirely of himself ; but the House would see
that it was .relieved from ally feelings ot that
kind, by the appeal of the Qaeen to adopt the
very course lie wits proposing to them. Afiet
that appeal he conceived himself called upon .as A '
Member of Parliament to take 'the steps t he was
proposing. With, respect to the consideration of
the King's Message, the substance of which was•
that they sh-ouhl inquire what manner whO
the best for entering' into an investigation of the:,
papers on the table, be should propose to brine
forward his motion .on Thursday senniebt
meaning to debate die Fling's Message on Friday
se'nnight, the following day. The effect of tit;
arrangement would be, that if the House of Lords
took the matter tip, he should not Bring his moii '0
forward; but if, tailing the Home of Lord's, he
brought his motion tor wat il, and thee should accet'L
it, then the debate of the next-day would fall to are
ground. If aaain,. as he confessed lie did not fore'
see was likely, rite House should negistiee Ilia mu'
tion, then it would leave the matter in-:he precise -
state it then was. He had heard it insinioatoi
abroad, Chat fnUn the Mottoes in which Pailiarocot
had approached her Majesty,.the entire busineo
must he ipso facto drooped -altogether. (Hear.)-'
The construction conetruction which it Right Honourable
'Gentleman had been pleased to place upon rite
vote of time House the other night, viz.-e-Int't
any inquiry most,be '`.derogatory ro the digui:l
of the Crown, and ohnoXions to the-,best low'
rests of the Country," had helped to give rice t°
this -notion ; but he did think that ttoihiog cold,
be further from the notions of the Hon. Mover 0'
'that Address, as to its ultimate effect than thit-'"
he could not conceive
.how it was possible t°
torture any of his Hon. Friend's words to beat
such a meaning. For his Hon. Friend had es"'
pressly stated that the adoption of his mot
was the last alternative between inquiry and 1-e,'
conciliation. He never did mean to propoene
such a proposition as that imputed to him. lir
sincerely unveil however that they should 110
no more of these quibbling arguntents.—(Hear;
from 'the Opposition.)—He trusted, alter havi? .5
clone all that could he done to avert this calamity'
the Parliament of this Country would return I':
its ancient character for dignity and moderati°?.
•—(Hear,• hear !) ; and that in the course of 11'g
painful examination,. the House of Comnici:,
would exhibit itself in its proper attitude, %cite
out any of that angry feeling;, which how'-"
much it might belong to politics, ought to find.nej •
place in this subject. (Hear.) These, he assig,,-
the House, were the feelings on which he gronore
ed the motion, which he begged to give notice.ue
would bring forward, if in the
_mean time- n 0
Iliet
dicial proceedings -were instituted •by the 1'i..0„
House. He took-the entire responsibility 00 b"
self, but he died not intend to emharrass them
nt
with any differeot course of proceeding, if tir)
other were adopted by the other House. Ilea
als
Mr. BROUGHAM Silld, he concurred • frnra
_big
bot tom ot his heart in the appeal winch the ro. of
Lord had itist mace; and in impl7-iring all side
the House, from that moment heneeforth,thr° 10
the whole course of the now iaevitable ioquirY_stio
let the voice of party cease—(hear to stale!fera,
factious, personal, or political teeliogs to ini"tbet
in the prosecution, of this question; in onleril to'
no shadow 'night be said to cross their no;.00..)
wards the etc ainment of substatiliai jusi ice. ("5 ,he
On the part of bier. Majesty he had to express re-
infinite satisfaction, which he knew to be
(flin ot
fleeted image of her sentiments, On 6" „loin°.
length that there was some chatsee of her onfind,
nig justice on constitutional principles— "0151 roe
ing that there wat an end of that dinky ii)q,l ofilf
fiat, unconstitutiool, unjust; anti, he taro: "icy of
illegal proceediug, which it was the tet o,ce tout;
the Green Brig, accompanying theMetW,,,4ears
the Throne; to institute ag“inst tv•r•
ak,l.--ticeil •
.hear !)—Her china Irons the begionitig In}
_...„i05.g.
for an open inquiry--her *test had been robot to
an invisible tribunal. lie had, however/

It:Mit the Noble LI) d (Castlereagh)
i)i3O:ritilablaln
S eTat:
towable change. He had to felicitate
the country, and herself, I
one unanimous voice,
I)—After saying
thatw) sehcartel t 4etctliaarletishtivoittl,hl
Ito) take place.=(Hear,hear
rds in
reply to some
Ibis, be would say a feww°Lord. And he must
observations of the Noble
begin by scatittg, that although it had been his lot
°nen to admire the great talents. a
II that night had an
and tactics of the
Noble Lord, he had never
ott
their
full
extent his
°Plortunity of knowing_
for • now he
I to
sophistry ;
tnbtlety, dextelitY, 2111. a
It'atld have it appear, Ib.slrptehelyvaswee:cehtaorggeo, into'
the inquiry, not beeau.se there
not in complian.ce
fur the purposes of J'asti
'nob the Message from the
.Crown,
n deference to some.
nor the voice
f the Country, nor even
ber.ruling State necessity, that.
to go 11)10 the inquiry ;they were now
IL do so
Satertlay her Majesty but' sittn ly because last
`tie Queen reettiestet,tlreyihsabtosuhel
defied
I Saturday
,1 ...eteen had said las,
.t
on Parliament
111 open inquiry,
was that the
and put herself
and the Public for her trial,
? Had she not
brit
time that she had sosN'',/ileesaer4d,4,e,ftotitiehart,rnonse
_,lated it as drolly in her
!Ile very first day she had
Ings against her i—Why then
a.eird R . bad
o. :Necpterielireilite,
...1_ fortnight or three ,reeks r.
?qu_l, li her request ? A trtililaayg,ohtandepQerie'emepncoirlialdy
ested, had challenged,
.un ; but the Noble
''"nand.ed an open i"estigalt
Something,
ho refused hail refused the challenge-
eever, had 'happened
. 11::had change
w found
. n
othe Noble
bl ,e
ti rd's determination. 1
deeently be
put_
11 that a Clieett could apt
all, the I-loose
bllna leer trial by
r,tre told 1 maadesuebaisYc,t and;bee:use her iMajestY
which the Noble
14 aqted to be tried, a request
eq.!' cult!!! nbt in trallatot•y or
(Ilea et politeness !elf:encl.:7,d-
hter.)—Otte" as N b,e
reuse.--
ha r hear, and laughter.)--Utters
dexterity
of
the
.t. o i
Litt ;)eeasion to notice tSo mat ked anti signal
,af
43't 11,, Its had never .
I seen
ns
in the management ,
thee"" of his •Powers r ta teen could have nothing
1,, P.reseht•case. '[tie•
eel.-
~.
ir„. She bad coo-
st:",4l ft!r• but a public 10 ii"
.tr and by its re-
:4l4 and ardently eon."" 1 1 r fall—
VII 1 ' .
ttl ter Majesty was prepared. to 'stand o
?et', I e• I bear f)—The
gulieneecnl:lalked oftribti,b.y.
outlet
that
:ti, 4'N übleLLo'rdwas *most VII
House to. perceive
il out yet enabled the
,1
on thos, of another
Phla. ller.l_ce(effil len!: mustbee r , dehpeeanrit) The Noble
tike Lord
ti,
-Id ' Majesty was • • first
.141 observed, that her
2 ' tick who bad turned a deaf ear to the
elt.a,
d when
y i h ill determination of Parliament i ati
Nei ad stated that determination to have been
night have
said by
, Pted ny 391 Members, he
they di,-
;„e!_llt 500, for upwards
ad
of 450, though .
t of the Resolutious, n
Nve4r4Ptster:vti.reedd eilf.
itsarse e
mpalat nr - o,hi ere,: cc.. ;ly' Idt ar
opinion,n e main objectiha )Vat
e, t;f4e Solemn a" no
; ate as they
ti, 'e proceetiings term.n
of the
might, they
l►e dignity
r.-4111 b ~ derogatory he'll I i-
'-'
of the
t-arni4hei andnuriottsto toe best interests
b‘.4,1,,t0ry... The Noble Lord attempted to do
iefttadthe bearing of that votre)r,ebeyl.bseayi
inquiry upon
that the
It. I of her Alaje'ty I"ttst could have no objection,
ItZl4"se• The Queen
h• flt (Mr. B ) as her Counsel, couldß have no
i it was the
il‘'t,',/:elion to f() itilt) the inquiry. u- r
Oil
14424 o_l the House to pastosenituottioonnewhiniocitinehiei
bed iiisexpiessoins in their 1-e'
the iuq'tiry, in
)Itihal4,,„ed• They had said that
tiitisthave
tqq, -41 v
se
it might terminate,
o! err.. Vietlees deweatory from tbe dig 1
,t ‘,lllee
"-`v!! hut • • - Et e best iaterests of the
trstut,. -!• injurious to --I-
~,.. „„ the asto-
s! 4114 Ili, Noble Lord hifiliiit .".
whole
, !Mem of i .
(AI r. ), of the I
ql'Se "Illseir 'tt.l.: -. been the rst to
first tars; t,
w tbe Count)
ha"
thus condemn-
Resolution;
let i iti_l viaiiag that
inquiry Which
„ n toe clearest terms the very . ,
t (tad N. „f following the usual
tmitte.►
looted. Instead .
his motion,
kt burl , and asking leave to withdraw
step aside
sati, thotiglit it an easier mode
1,01, t,° get rid of it, by declaring it tot be deroga-
IV," .° Ihe Crown, and injurious to the, State.—
be re-
itailettier tiles situated, the Hotise shoo a . p
he
%I qtidLit° say that the inquiry was necesseat y
-event
li„,(l`‘'t not pret,nd to say ; but only 0n Al ;e'er been urged to justify its
t:•,:'''''Y had come to Eloglind, necessity. Heran and
and thence,
. _Ol
'4l:ct '''iy, arose that painful necessity, iN
litedriigruutol had ever been even pretended ; but
h, t si, had inquiry must com-
e,'lnc - come over the
(31' it . hether her Majesty had been wisely
t°nll'v.''oly advised, he should not now stop tro.
ttie:111" ; be should only add his solemn a,su
‘l"ei at" h,e gave it, not to exculpate any one
fro
4 e -I° euarge had been made--not to shrinkn
Ili', 4 responsibility, which he should viish
herci
ttlai"nfrarY to assume, but for the sake of
terijitelsfY's character, to which he deemed itmbae-
Ra‘ve 1;1°11 the whole truth should' he known,_
e.
ut, per clew!) assurance to the House, that b
..
tleratioer I‘l'./eaty had beets laid all those const.
Isiset.s-111 Which the knowledge which her ads
bad et Pnbre;,ssed of the proceedings of Parlianteu uttrin:l,-1' them to suggest. The state of the case
b
*liat'•-"e negotiations had been compared with
tillov. It
sii Was before and had since become, and
in he --. every fact had been 'aged to establish
itbse r liflind that convictioir, which had never been
hteh.t 4°lll it, that the refusal of the proposition,
11111 • nted by the House must lead to certain and
1 li'vestigation. With all these considerations
before L
f. - Lier. her NI • that fearlessness of
-tith • - 7- i ajtSty, with ee° -t'on which nothing but the conviction of
of be; "lee has- ever been known in the records
e„,,.!slory
ctittoerate, tailritillttßipire, pronounced her own firm,
undaunted conclusion to abide by
I). tiemand tin. a • . • might have
en rite public trial. She Int,
tly ~.. e fir,t Brtinswick who had refused to corn-
tit,tt the wishes of Parliament ; but let the
trill; also recollect, that she had also been the
taf,Q, r.nnswirk, the first Queen of England, nay,
ktithuristendoin itself, who had been placed in
14 ca situation. Addiesses had been carried to
ti. "et e'f other
Ike °e• TI Queens, but tar different in their
.1% ley had been Addresses of Congratu-
fr 11' yir-01
indolence,Co or at moat had prayed
Il "e ternor Iffavourite. But
itle Q a some unworthy
ilr, t;:teth had felt that this Address called upon
4.! t . 0 glue hp the object of mere capileer
44 tj:.:llsnliss all regard fur tier own honour.--She
I‘',intt
j, tt she cotild not make tile sacrifice required
1,1%14.0'11!Iso not
her character. He men-
htl• ,N 1 14 in mitigation if eot in vindicatioo 01
',lt 4iest's e I i the recom-
.liti„t. e usa to comply with
lun of Purliacrieut. That House which

inlomt way been re; uisea by net Majesty;
and in some measure offended, would in the Coarse
of a few short days become her Judges. If he
had before in-whited lion. Members dismiss
all party feelings, he now still inure urgently and
peremptorily entreated them to dismiss every feel-
ing of offence.—(llear, hear, hear chiefly from
the Ministerial side.)--,-It seemed that the Noble
Lord-- intended to propose in his' motion some
measure of a Legiilative nature to meet the
inquiries of the other House. Ou this ground he
should lay a claim to delay in behalf of her Majesty.
Let not the House draw from this an erroneous
conclusion. He should not have ventured to
make such a proposal, had not the reasons for
such a claim been most just and satisfactory.—
The Queen was anxious to proceed, ,and for
her and on fits own account, he shoUld de-
precate all delay ; but one was rendered ne-
cessary by local distance. It was a journey of
three weeks to the place of her Majesty's re-
sidence, and three weeks back to bring the
witnesses and evidence necessary for her de-
fence. Should the House, therefore, proceed
'on Thursday se'n might with the inquiry, how
would her Majesty be in a condition to meet it ?
Fite or six witnesses on the side of 'inculpation
might be examined, and all on that side of the
case would be over. If this partial inquiry were
open, all the country would see its nature. If it
were secret it would be still worse ; for a secret
intrusted to 21 Members in one House and 15 in
another, according to the common adage, had
little chance of being kept. How would any man
like the honour of his wile or daughter to depend
on the secrecy of thirty-six Gentlemen who had
wives and daughters of their own, even should
they be the most honourable men )—(Hear, hear,
and laughter.)—lt would be impossible that smite
portion of the evidence adduced should' not leak
out of those orifices for emitting secrets which
were found in every farnily.—(Lang' hter.)—That
evidence would issue nut more or-less, but its
venom would cirCulate folly through tire country.
Let any man place himself in the position of her
Majesty—let him figure to himself the inevitable
tuin of character which•tnest ensue from this in•
terval of three or four months before the exculpa
tory evidence for her Majesty be produced. He
therefore laid a claim to delay ; but „let him not
be misunderstood ;, it was -a delay which would
not retard tor one hour the ultimate result. It
would only allow the two pars of the inquiry to
come nearer together, so that no pqrtion of the
evidence should.be divnlgLd until witnesses were
at bend to enable her Majesty's Counsel to cross-
examine, and to proceed with the trial. He
(lusted- the House would excuse his entering into
tticse explanations : he had been desirous to sbew
that the delay was- not one of judgment, bust, one
of injustice, and was essentially necessary kite
case. He called upon every Hon. Gentleman to
lay to heart the last observations which he bad
submitted to the House- They might opt strike-
at once, but their effect would be more deeply felt
the more time was allowed for their consideration.
He now congratulated her Majtsty, the House,
and the Country, on an open'and public inquiry
having at last been granted. The Queen had
never been afraid of meeting such ao investiga•
tion, but front the beginning of the proceedings
had never ceased to claim and demand it. ' •

Colonel PALMER had voted against the late Re-
solution, because he thought that it called upon
her Majesty to do that which he would not have
done himself in her place ; he now conceived that
consistently with that Resolution, it was the duty
of the House to desist from the proposed inquiry.
He disapproved of tl►e omission of her Majesty's
name in the Liturgy, and considered it, nut only
as an insult to the'Queen, but as a serious charge
against Ministers, at a time when-they spoke so
much of the prevalence of revolutionary opinions.
He declared that the speech-of the Right Hots.
Gentleman opposite (Nir. Canning) had produced
a still deeper impression upon his mind of her Ma-
jesty's innocence titan the convincing arguments
used by the. Hon. and Learned Gentleman who
appeared in the character of her advocate. For
how could he resist the representations which fell
from one of the J.inisters of the Crown, and one
of her Males. y's accusers ; had be not said that
she was the grace, the charm, and The ornament of
society ? Had he not told the House repeatedly
of his refpeet, esteem, admiration, and affection
for the-Queen ? If she deserved such a character
tulma So excellent a judge, when she was still in
the fervour of youth, he could not believe that
in her age she could have. done any thing to for-
feit it. Bat why, instead of talking of his feelings
for her Majesty, had he not • acted upon them ?
Ile would then have performed his duty mote ef-
fectually both to his Sovereign and to her Ma-
jesty. If it were possible- for the Crown to ob-
tain a divorce, he might consent to an inquiry into
the present charges. It it was in fact an inves-
tigation called for by the whole country, as in the-
. case of the Duke of York, it would be strenuously
opposed; hut the whole country rue's against it, and
tt►erefore it was to be forcibly carried into effect.
Mr. BATI-JVRST defended the .conduct of his
Majesty's Ministers through the whole of the pre-
sent unfortunate business. He cootentied.against
the possibility of not taking some ulterior pro-
ceeding, and stated that if a Bill should be intro-
duced, sufEcient time would be given to the par-.
ties to prepare 'for detence ; so that when the
case ot..the prosecution should close, that of the
defendant should immediately continence.
Mr. WesTeaN entered his protest against the'
motion of the Noble Lord, because he conceived
that its effect was to draw the House, directly or
indirectly, into an approbation of thole measures,'
:sod into an inquiry which the ,v hole country con-
demned—(lHear, hear, hear !)—and which the
general sense of the House on the first night of
the d►scussion had also decidedly condemned too.
Why had the whole country expressed an opinion
that the proposed inquiry was one wl►ich ought
not to be gone into ? Becanie the Noble Lord,
atter having represented the charges as of a cri-
minal nature, had declared that they were ca-
pable of being negotiated aud.settled by an atni.
cable adjustment.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—This
was a proceeding altogether anomalous ; there
was no case of a similar nature. He believed that
op to the present moment the decision of the
House had been correct and right, and had pro-
cLeded on a principle of justice towards the Illus-

'onduct had I)eri
pugned. NOW that the bripe of an amicable md-
justment had ceased•tO eiciSt, the question of ad-
jorirnment assumed a different Shape, becinse it
tended td•Sanction the proceeding of inquiry al•
togeThe'r, ikrhibh the' llooSe had originally con-
demned. He entreated the House not to involve
itself in the proceeding 4 which Might be adopted
in another place.—(iiear i)=-It had hithero
done its duty—let it not commit its character ;
let the Noble Lord bring forward hew projects,
and let- him-give time to the House to consider
them. With this view, he should Move, in
arneiidment ro the proposal of the Noble Lord,
that the debate be adjourned to this day six
months.

The question having been put,
Mr. S. C:WHITBREAD rose on the present bcca-
sion to protest agaiust the measures which his
Majesty's Ministers had pursued since the arrival of.
liar Majesty in this country, and particularly
against that propbsed this night, as it appeared
an endeavour to delude the House into some
approl)ation of their proceedings.—([leer, hear,
hear !)—lie had opposed the late Resolution,
because, if reduced into plain words, it was no-
thing but a call on her Majesty to acknowledge
herself guilty.
Mr. TIERNEY said, the Noble Lord appeared to
be in a more awkward situation than that in which
he had been placed on a 'former occasion. He
came forward apparently with the assumplion,
that whatever he pioposed for adoption would be
agreed io, and thus an end would, for the present,
be put to the proceesliog. He hoped he would
find himself mistaken on the present occasion, as
the subject was one of the must important that
Could be conceived, and affected must nearly the
honour, character, and dignity of that House. It
was necessary, before be proceeded further, that
he should correct a mistake into which the Noble
Lard appeared to have fallen with respect to him.
Th'e Noble Lord deprecated the introduction of
party feeling into the discussion of this question ;
but he would have carried that feeling into his
(Mr. Tierney's) quarters, if it had pot been for
a casual shake of his head, which the Noble Lord
had utterly misunderstood. He (Mr. Tierney)
was at the time talking to an Hon. Member on
the subject of the former night's debate, but he
was not saying a word about the resolution
which. had been proposed on that occasion.
He happer,ed to shake his bead just as -the
Noble Lord adverted to that resolution, when
his Lordship immediately turned round, and
complimented him for having abandoned all that
he had advanced on a former' evening. But that
shake of the head was not meant to imply any
such change of opinion, NVhat he formerly stated
distinctly, and what he would now repeat, was,
that the latter words in the Resolution proposed
by the lion. Member for 111-amber were the most
extraordinary that any Min-ister, standing in the
situation of the Noble Lord, ever agreed to.
'Because that portion of the -Resolution declared,
in clear terms, that the proposition brought
down by the Noble Lord must lead to discus-
sions, which, whatever migla be their ul'imate
result, could not but be dis,tressiug to her Ma-
jes'y's feelings, disappointing to the hopes of
Pat liament, derogatory from the dignity of the
Crown, .and injurious to the best interests of the
En-spite. Now, if these- wank," derogatory front
the dignity of the Clown" meant any thing, they
could only mean this, that whatever charge was in-
troduced, it must lead to discossions.that must have.
the pernicioosaendency thus described. He asked of
the :\i.oble\Lord what was the view with which
that Resolution was brought forward ? Was it
meant that the charges disclosed against the Queen
should be dropped because they were dishonour-
able to her Majesty ? or on account of the dig eat
which was held out by his Learned Friend, in
the course of his'eloquent defence of her Majesty,
when he called on Ministers " to beware of recri-
mination, because if go on, her Majesty will
go on too ?" He had asked these questions for
information, but he was not fortunate enough to
obtain it. The words which he had quoted did
then strike him as being of the utmost im-
portance'. lie continued to .be of the same
opinion still, and sure he was, that if the
Noble Lord had seen those words, before the mo-
tion was intioduced, his good sense would have
led him to devise some means by which they might
be got rid of, . This expression absolutely defied
Parliament to go on with • any inquiry. It was
impossible to state in language more clear, decided,
anti significant, that the measure proposed by.the
Noble Lord must end in discussions '' derogatory
from the Crown, and injurious to the best inte-
rests of the Empire." He felt, at the time,
that those who voted for that Resolution bad
' determined, its their own minds, not to go on
with the business. Ministers scented to have
taken care that the patties who voted for the
Resolution should not be brought to the test,
since they were likely to be absolved from
all danger, by the proceedings that were about
to be adopted in another place. if the business
were brought on •therc, the House of Commons
would undoubtedly be treed from it. This cer-
tainly was .one of the most/ important questions
that was ever brought before Parliament, as it re.-
lated to the dignity and propriety. of their pro-
ceedings. His Hon. Friend (Mr.. cVestern) had
ably. stated the delicate situation in which the,
House was placed-4 statement that was calcu-
lated to stake the greater impression, backed as
it was by that independence of character which
belonged to him. He said, most properly,. that
the House ought to pause before they. deter-
mined to adopt any measure. It was too much
for the Noble Lord to come down, and,, without
any notice, state to the House, atterhaving placed
them, the King, and the Queen, in. the must dif-
ficult situation, what course be deemed it proper
to pursue. By some this was considered vary
clever and ingenious. But it was, in fact, oniy
making a haze, through which it was almost im-
possible tor ahem to see their way--a practice Ire-
quently resorted loin deba.te, especially by the Noble
Lord. After a lapse of 3 weeks, the Nook Lord told
them on Saturday that the matter in debase.ninst
come to a conclusion this day. The Noble Lord was
asked,whether he would give any information as to
what he want to du ? This be ,declined, and, he
believed for the best of ail possible reasons, be-
cause be did not know himself of bat cvlose lte

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trust pnrsne ; he could not, at the moment, tell
how he ‘l,tis to get off.--(A laugh.)—Nov! the
Noble Lord stid," Let the debate be ad:pot-Ned-
to Friday se'nnig!,t, because,, on the preceding
Thursday, I Mean to make a motion quite dif-
ferent twin -any former, proposition ; but you
must not be too sure that I will make it, hecanie
a motion may be submitted elsewhere on the sub-
ject, which may render mine unnecessary." So
that they were, on.these two contingencks, to
stay proceedings that had been introduced to heir
notice a considerable time htck. Would the House
eodore such treatment, without sOITIC explanation
being offered an the part of the Noble Lord ? The
House, he felt, would degrade itself, if it did not
plainly mark its sense of the Coarse that had been
pursued. Neither he nor his Hon. Friend (Mr,
Western) knew .el 4 how to pt:oceedr, under all the
circumstances of the case ; but he conceived there
ought to be an entry on the Journals of the
House, explaining the reasons. which caused such
Constant alterations and adjourtiments.(—rileal !)
Mr. Mawrit4 of Galway.—it the Gentlemen on
the other'side propose to exculpate the Queen troret
the charges which have been preferred against-her,
the obvious and satisfactory course would, in his
opinion, be to proceed with the investigation, for
w Web at one period, they appeared so anxio.
It had been admitted by those Gentlemen, that
his Majesty ought not to retrograde, hilt th'e'pro-
position of the Hon. Member opposite appeared
to him so ridiculous a'nd absurd, that it was al-
most impossible to treat it but levity. It
would, perhaps, have been more to the *purpose
of that Member, Hod it would certainly have con.
tributed, if not to the edification, at least to the
amusement of the House. The Hon. Gentleman
rtilight have read with proper emphasis and discre-
tion, a Resolty ion of this nature . _

Resolved—" That an humble Address be presented to his
Majesty, praying his gracious consent that her Majesty the
Queen's name maybe introduced into the Liturgyond at the
same time, to assure his Majesty, that such condescension on
his part, cannot, in the opinion of this House, be understood
to indicate any change of his Majesty's opinion as to tbe con-
duct of his Royal Cousort."—(Laughter
Lord Nuoaar agreed with the Noble Lord. op.
polite, that it was highly necessary that every
Member of that House should keep his mind quite
unembarrassed by the rumours which were abroad,
so that they might' be able to come to a dispas-
sionate judgment on the question. But were
Ministers sincere in wishing that no prejudice
should be excited out of doors before the case
.came under the consideration of Parliament ? He
would put them to the test :—he had seen certain
paragraphs inis o Papers, taped Ministerial Jour-
nals, which he had read with horror and disgust.
In one of these Papers he found, at the end of a
very long and offensive paragraph, the following
passage, which be begged to read to the House
England ought not to be involved in misery
for an Alien anti tin, ort by object."—The wretch!
The slave !—That " unworthy object" was no
other than the Message sent down to that House
by his Majesty, calling upon theta to institute an
inquiry into certain charges affecting the charac-
ter of his Royal Consort ;—and that "
was' no less a personage than the Qaeen of Lug.
land l—He also found a passage which he felt
it to be his duty to call on the Government
to visit with a public prosecution. -That to
which he alluded read as follows Anti as the
Queen alone stands its the way of arrangement,
we say she ought to yield to the universal good,
we care not whether as a martyr or a criminal."
He would say noshing on this atrocious and dia-
bolical paragraph, but would leave it to those
feelings of abhorrence which the reading of it
must excite in the House. He would however
call upon the Ministers, if indeed they were
anxious that a dispassionate judgment should be
conic to on the merits of this most important
case,—if indeed they were anxious that the trill
should he conducted with fairness and impartiali-
ty. He called upon the Noble Lord, if he wished
to do his duty to his Sovereign and the Public—
he called on the Right Hon. Gentleman, by the
affection and regard which he had expressed for
the Queen—and finally he again called on the
whole of his Majesty's Ministers, from theii love
of their country, anti from their love of justice,
to say whether or not they would let this libel go
without being prosecuted by the Attortrey-Gene.-
ral. If they ordered it to be prosecuted they
would do their duty : if they did. not, he wonld
use his own discretion in determining whether or
not he should. take any further steps on the sub-
ject. 'His Lordship supported the Amendment.
Lord MILTON -was surprised that the -Noble
Lord (Castlereagh) should submit a motion to
the House like that which was 'then before it,
without stating some public grounds for the course
which he recommended, He had, however,
founded the proceeding on nothing of a public
nature, and he therefore called upon the House to
consider whether, under such circumstances,. they
would be justified in taking a step that might en-
danger the tranquillity as well as the morals of
the country. lie wished theta to consider
whether.means might not yet he found to avert
the evil ? He should support the proposition -of his
Hon. Friend. • It did not appear to him that there
was no alternative but .to change the Ministry,
or to proceed with the inquiry. The Crown need
not be called upon %to retract, but Ministers
niigbt be rs spired to do so ; and he would appeal
to the House if they had not already retracted
part of what they had advanced
,in the course of
these proceedings. •It seemed to 'him that they
wished to have two strings too their bow against
the Queen, the House of Lords and the House of
Commons.. ' He, however, called upon them to
consider Whether as -men of honour they could
not retract So far as to make an amicable arrange.
went practicable, and remioding them of the
causes which had led to the French R volution, .
directed their attention to the evils which. threat-
ened the country from the line•of
they seemed-disposed to pursue,
Mr. W. Werner, if like the Noble Lord lie
could see any hope of effecting an amicatde ar-
'rangetnent, would anxiously endeavour to effect
the accomplishment of an object so desirable.
Unfortunately be could see no hope of this ; but
colleting as he slid from the Noble Lord, he •so
far concurred with him (though it was imross'io,
isle for him to support the amendlitent,) that Le
had considerable doubts as to. the propriety of
agreeing to the motion. The message soul down
to them WAS sue of the most serious importauee.