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LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 4, 1829.

11.11ARLES TALBOT begs to inform the
X.--) Nobility and Gentry he Lam TAKEN EXTENSIVE
PREMISES, situate No. 24, GREEN-STREET,
PARK-LANE, which he has fitted tip as a SUPERIOR
LODGING-HOUSE fur FAMILIES and GENTLE-
MEN.

The Apartments consist of Suites of Rooms from three
to six upon a Floor, and may be let together or separate.
C. T. trusts that having lived many years Ail Cook, &c.
in some of the most distinguished Families in England and
on- the Continent, l.e will be found capable of conducting
every department to the satisfaction of his patrons, and by
strict attention and reasonable charges merit their favours.

KEYHAVEN, ABOUT FOUR MILES FROM
LYNINGTON.
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION,
By Messrs. COLBORNE,

At the Angel Inn, in Lymington, on TUESDAY, March 10,
at Two o'clock in the Afternoon, subject to such Con-
ditions as will be then and thole produced,
ALL that -FREEHOLD DWELLING-
HOUSE, excellent MEADOW and AR:IIILE
LAND, and • PREMISES, late the residence of Mrs.
Ratsev, deceased, containing together about SIX ACRES
(be the same more or less), pleasantly situated at Key-
haven, only a short distance from the Market Town of
Lymington, and commanding delightful and extensive
Views of the Isle of Wight, the Sea, and the surrounding
Neighbourhood. There is good and safe Anchorage for a
yacht within a few hundred yards of the premises, and a
capital Pack of Fox hounds arc kept at a very few miles
distant. The House and Premises comprise drawing-room,
two parlours, housekeeper's-room, two kitchens, wash-
house, dairy, cellar, and six bed-rooms; a four-stall stable,
two coach-houses, large court-yard and garden, and two
Pieces of Land. There is a plentiful supply of good water.
For further particulars apply (if by letter, post-paid,)
to Mr. King, Solicitor, or the Auctioneers, Lymington.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.-(LAST NIGHT.)

Mr. Williams, the King's Messenger, arrived at the
House of Lords at a quarter to Four o'clock, with dis-
patches from his Majesty to the Lord Chancellor, which
he immediately delivered.

The Loan CHANCIMLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at ten minutes past Five o'clock.
The Archbishop of YORK presented a petition from
the Protestants and Clergy of Craven, in the county
of York, against Emancipation. Entirely ignorant as he
was of the nature of the measures contained in the Bill for
the relief of the Catholics, it was impossible for him at this
moment to say what line of conduct he should think it
right to adopt with respect to that Bill. It would depend
very much upon the assurances held out to the country
respecting the Protestant institutions what he should do.
Whether he should give his assent to it, or as a Protestant
Bishop oppose the Bill.
Mr. Was. SMITH, and several other Members of the
House of Commons, brought up the Skulthorpe Inclosure

Lord BEXLEY presented a petition from the Pro-
testants of St. Anne's, and St. Andrew's, Blackfriars,
against further eoncessions, together with another from Ell-
ingthorpe, to the same effect.
Lord ELDON presented petitions from the Pro•
testants of Stanstead, in Essex ; from the Corpora-
tion of Taylors, in Glasgow ; from the Vicar and
Churchwardens of Elsingham ; from the Protestants of
Ashby, Nottingham, Ashley, and Wrexham; from the Cor-
poration of Barbers, Glasgow; from a parish in the West
Riding of York; from John Alexander, of the City of
Edinburgh ; from the Corporation of Coopers, Glasgow ;
from the Minister and Churchwardens of Little Burlow,
Somerset ; two other petitions from the same county ; to-
gether with a great number of petitions from other parts
to the amount of upwards of SO, all against the Catholics.
The Noble Lord, in presenting a petition from St. Leo-
nard's, Shoreditch, considered himself bound to say- a few
words upon it. It was most numerously signed, the meet-
ing for having it presented was held in the parish church ;
there was no opposition to it, but means were taken
to ascertain the sense of the meeting, and there
was a very great majority in favour of presenting the
petition. There were fifty persons who had signedi' t,
and who were not petitioners ; the mistake arose in this
way. At the time the petition was being got up, there
was another petition called thee London and Westminster
petition, which they intended to have signed. Those who
opposed the petition could not complain of this, for the
Noble Lord was sure many hundreds had signed the London
and Westminster petitiou who were not parishioners of the
place from which the petition purported to come.
Earl DARNLEY had been informed that a very great
number of the signatures to the petition which the Noble
and Learned Lord had presented, were those of passengers
who had been stopped, and requested to sign it. The
petition which the Noble Lord (Darnley) had to
present in favour of Emancipation, was from 1167 of the
most respectable inhabitants of St. Leonard's, and they had •
all stated their respective places of alsode. Though he
deprecated discussion on presenting petitions, he begged to
be allowed to state his own unchanged opinion on this
question. When the Noble Lords stated that the population
of the empire was against this measure, they forgot the Ro-
man Catholics of Ireland, who amounted to seven millions,
and the Catholics of England, who amounted to one mil-
lion, making at least one-third of the population, who were
necessarily in favour of theeneasure. If, as the Noble Lords
stated, the majority of the Protestants of this part of the
kingdom were against concession, as he must admit, yet, if
Le were to allow that this majority was in the proportion
of three to one, he should grant an ample concession, and
then there would be a large portion of the inhabitants of
the empire in favour of concession. But in a question of
this nature, they must not consider numbers only. -Nothing
was more easy than to get up petitions in all the parishes of
the country. It was only necessary for the Clergyman to
go round, and ask the people to sign a paper, to frighten them
with some story of the Pope, or the return of the frightful
times of Mary, and he would be sure to get plenty of signa-
tures. But though the signatures were numerous, the talents
were all, he thought, on the other side. Not to refer to
the men of learning, talents, and genius, who, in the yenta
that had gone by, had constantly supported tire measure of
concession—and without meaning any disrespect to any of
their Lordships who entertained a different opinion from
what he did, he must be allowed to say, that with the ex-
ception
of his Noble and Learned Friend, who was him-
self a host, there was not one individual in that House
eminent for talents and learning who was not convinced
that the measure of concession was necessary, expedient,
politic, and just, and consistent with Christian charity.
By the most enlightened people of England, the concession
hail long been required ; by the House of Com.nons, its
necessity had been frequently acknowledged ; by the Cor-
poration of this metropolis its expediency had also now
been acknowledged ; and throughout the country there was
no body of men of any learning or talents, except the
clergy, opposed to concession. Much had been said by
some Noble Lords of the violence of the Catholics, but be
defied any Noble Lord to find amongst them expressions of
'riolence equal to those which' had been used in the Bruns-
wick Clubs. 'Their Lordships must have seen their re-
! speeches, and he believed they had never seen
eorted
anything equal to the speeches of the Rev. Doctor Robin-
son, of Armagh, who had openly preached up blood and
slaughter, and had openly excited men against each other.
It was impossible to suppose that the Members of the
Church Establishment should be blind to tire injury they
would ultimately do to the Establishment. They were
inflicting on it a deep wound, and augmenting that danger
which would not be increased, but lessened, by timely,
just, and equitable concession. Much of the danger which
the Members of that Church now supposed to exist had
been caused by the asperity shewn to the Roman Catho-
lice. The Noble Earl concluded by presenting a petition),
praying for tire repeal of all civil disabilities on account
of religion, from the inhabitants of Saint Leonard's,
Shoreditch.
The Earl of ELDON hoped their Lordships were by
this time convinced of the propriety of that rule he had
laid down fur his own conduct, and which would save
their Lordships' tune were seller Noble Lords to act on it
—aamely, not to make long speeches, on presenting pe-
titions on subjects not connected with the petition. A
Noble Lord had the other evening talked of ladies signing
petitions ; he could only say he had not seen their faces.
He wished the Noble Lord would introduce those ladies to
Lim.—(A laugh.)—Another Noble Lord had set down all

the opponents to this Bill as blockheads. He had, indeed,
excepted him (Lord Eldon); but he begged his Noble
Friend to remember that he kad laid aside the office which
gave him the title of Learned Lord, and he begged
that he would in future address him as the Noble Lord.
He bad quitted the character of a Learned Lord. If the
Noble Lord said the petition he had presented was impro-
perly signed, he must beg hint to bring from St. Leonard's
the gentleman who told Lim so, and he would place him
in face of the deputation that had waited on him, and
who assured him that the petition was properly signed.—
The Noble Lord said be had never entertained any doubt
on this important question ; and vet he should he able to
show, he thought, from that petition which the Noble
Lord said he had composed, that the Noble Lord knew
little or nothing of the subject to which the petition re-
ited; He had had a seat in that or the other House of
Parliament for half a century, and had never on any occa-
sion known the public mind to be so much agitatql as at
present. He remembered what had passed when that ce-
lebrated Bill bad been brouglat in called the India Bill,
when petitions were poured in against that Bill from all
part's of the kingdom. They were then told by the friends
of that Bill, that these petitions did not speak the sense of
the people, and were of no importance. When the Par-
liament was dissolved, and an appeal made to the people,
then these persons said the delusion was so great, that it
was impossible to recover the people from it, and, there-
fore, they were compelled to admit that the petitions did
speak the sense, though the deluded sense, of the people.

fie would only further say, that he would not at that time
present any more petitions to their Lordships ; but that he
must add now that he ha I presented, of the seventy-five peti-
tions he had last night stated to have at home, no less than
fifty-one, that the remainder had increased so much during
the day, that he now had at home rather more than one
hundred, which he should present to their Lordshil a on a
future day.
The Earl of DARNLEY then presented petitions Irons
Canterbury, signed by five hundred persons, from the Pro-
testant Dissenters of Black Friars Chapel, Canterbury ;
and from three places in the county of Meath—all praying
for the repeal of Civil Disabilities on account of religious

opinions.
Lord SOMERS, in presenting a petition from Here-
ford,hire, said that he was convinced that it was impos-
sible that the two countries could be joined in cordial union,
until the disqualifications of the Catholics Were removed.

A NOBLE LORD whose name we could not ascertain,
presented a petition from the inhabitants of the city of
Hereford, praying for emancipation.
The Duke of GLOUCESTER presented a petition from

die merchants, bankers, traders, and inhabitants of the
city of Gloucester, praying for the relief of the Catholics.
The petition, the Noble Doke stated, was signed by very
respectable persons. Having stated (said the Noble Duke)

(luting the last Session of Parliament my opinion upon
this subject, I wed not express that I most entirely con-
cur i❑ the prayer of this petition ; and I may say, more-
over, I rejoice at the prospect of the emancipation of the
Roman Catholics, and lament that it has not been
sooner. I trust, however, that the measure to be brought
in will be for the removal of all the disabilities under which

his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects labour. Any
half measure at this moment would, in my mind, be
one of the most dangerous things that could be pro-
posed. Any thing like a perfect measure, connected
with this important subject, will be of the most essential
service. Ido not think any thing could be more calculated
to promote the prosperity and happiness of this great
Empire, than a full and perfect measure on this subject;
and I think if one thing more than another can tend to give
security to the Protestant Church and his Majesty's Throne
it will be such a measure.—(Hear.) I trust it will be
found to be the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to
propose to your Lordships complete Catholic eman-
cipation, and by doing that, I repeat, you will
be giving the greatest security to the Protestant Church.
If the Priests are not paid they must continue to be a
burthen on the Catholics, but I think by paying
the Roman Catholic Priests, a much better class of
people may be induced to take the P.iesthood,—
and also by plaeing the Priesthood under the
authority of the King, your Lordships will secure to his
Majesty some of the beat and most loyal subjects in the
empire.—(Hear, hear.)
The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented several peti-
tions (about forty-five) against concession. The petitions
were from 'l'owcester, and from various towns and parishes
in the counties of Lincoln, Stafford, Sussex, Lancaster, and
Caidigan ; from Greenwich, and other parishes and towns
in Kent ; from Armagh, Limerick, and from several
places in Scotland.
The petitions were then brought up.
Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition from Macclesfield,
Cheshire, in favour of the Catholics. The Noble Lord
commenced by deprecating the practice which had been
set of holding out the danger of faggots and burning, and
nonsense of that kind, for the purpose of inducing people
to petition against concession. He was not surprised that

ignorant persons, acting from the influence of such repre-
sentations, should sign petitions against them. As to the
circumstance of petitions not coming from persons favour-
able to the measure, the answer was obvious—namely, that
they had a confidence in Ministers from the assurance given
by them that the question would be settled to their satisfac-
faction. As a proof of this, he would mention an instance
which came within his own observation---namely, a proposal
was made in a society of the friends of civil and religious
liberty for presenting a petition in favour of concession to
the Catholics. The proposal was overruled, solely on the
ground that the question had been taken up by Ministers,
and that they had a prospect of the question being finally
and satisfactorily adjusted under their guidance and re-
.commendation.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—At present the
House was in ignorance of the nature of the measure in-
tended to be proposed ; and it was worthy of notice, that
these petitions against concession were made against a
measure, the description and character of which were not
vet disclose:l. The Noble J.ord then intimated to the
House that he hail a petition to present from the Unita-
rians of Macclesfield, who were themselves grateful for the
relief which they had received in the repeal of the Test
and Corporation Acts, and were anxious to see a similar
relief on account of conscience extended to their Roman
Catholic fellow-subjects.

The Earl of CARLISLE presented a petition from
Worksop, in Nottinghamshire, in favour of concession.
This petition was signed by the Duke of Portland, and
many other persons most respectable for their rank and
property. On a former night, a Noble Duke (Newcastle)
had presented a petitio❑ from the same town, which he
stated to be presented under peculiar• circumstances, and
to which there was no difficulty in ehtaining signatures.
He was surprises that there should not be and• hesitation
on the part of those who signed that adverse petition, cmi-
sidering that the prayer of it was to consign to exclusion
from the privileges of his hereditary rank, a Noble Lord,
their neighbour, (we believe the Duke of Norfolk), who
did not yield to any Noble Member of the House in his
attachment to the Thi one, and to the institutions of his
country.

The Duke of NEWCASTLE said, that the names sub.
scribed to the petition which he pre,cuted on a former
night amounted to twelve hundred ; whereas the manes
attached to the petition of the Noble Lord did not exceed
two hundred. lie contended that the petition presented
by him did not contain the names merely as had been in-
sinuated, of the tag-rag-and-bob-tail of the people; halt
was a full and fair representation of the sentiuncri:s of the
majority of the people of tlrat district in wealth and pro-
perty.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said it had been assumed
by the Noble Lords who were pressing the necessity of an
appeal to the people through the means of a General Elec-
tion, that such a course would afford the only satisfactory
explanation of their real sentiments upon the subject of
concession to the Catholics. Did these Noble Lords veeol:-.
le.ct, when they made this assertion, that the people of
England had been twice appcalal tn within the last ten
years ; and that, 50 fdr from their opinions having under-
gone any change during that period, their confidence in
those who professed principles fill/towable to emancipation
had been continued and confirmed, while the number of its
advocates increased ? And to the conespondence of sen-
timent felt by the electors and the elected, was now added
a correspondence of sentimelit in the Givertiment. He
congratulated their Lordships upon this change in the opi-
nions of the Government, as one of the most gratifying
and satisfactory features of their present condition. With-
out presuming at the present moment to offer any opinion
upon the nature or extent of the measures which the Noble
Duke intended to propose, he should content himself by

again expressing his pleasure that a plan was about to be
proposed by an united Government for the exalted and
benefi:!ial purpose of conferring peace, happiness, and se-
curity upon the inhabitants of the United Kingdom.
The NOBLE MARQum; then presented a petition in
favour of the Catholics from the inhabitants of Ft mite,
signed by several hundred of the most respectable inhabi-
tants, not one of whom were either labourers or persons in
the humbler walks of life. The petition was signed,
indeed, by all the "Mini.tters of the Dissenting Congrega-
tions in that populous town, except the Wesleyans, and by
nearly all the respectable inhabitants. He mentioned this,
because Frotne had been remarkable for its hostility to con-
cession ; and because a petitioawith a very different prayer,
and signed by a vet y different drscription of persons, had
been presented front the same place on a former occasion.
This petition being laid on the table,
The -NOBLE MARQUIS presented a similar petition from
the inhabitants of Bath, who bad taken the precaution to
affix their place of r.sideLce to their signatures. This
petition was signed by nine Clergymen of the Church of
England, by above 200 householders, and by all the Mem-
bers of the Literary Institution of that city except two, one
of whom was absent front illness. The Noble Marquis
th?it presented similar petitions from Warminster, in Wilt-
shire ; from the Unitarian Dissenters of Warrington, in
Lancashire ; from Arhroath ; front the Homan Catholics
of Tullyrowan, in Kilkenny, against the Sub-letting Act ;
from Tullahill, in the Queen's County ; front Ars'ee, in
Louth; and from John Lucas, a Coroner, of Cavan, in
favour of Emancipation.
The NOBLE MARQUIS also presented a petition from the
inhabitants of Blackley, near Manchester, in favour of the
Catholics ; and front the inhabitants of the city of Glas-
gow, compl lining of the inadequate accommodation afforded
by the Court -house of that city.--The petitions were laid
on the table.

The Earl of GUILFORD presented a petition, signed
by 1,800 of the inhabitants of Southampton, against
Catholic Emancipation, and praying a limitation of time
Elective Franchise in Leland. The same Noble Earl also
presented a petition, with the same prayer, from the in-
habitants of Fareham.

Viscount LoRToN presented petitions against the
Catl.inlics, signed by twelve hundred of the inhabitants of
Roscommon.; by three thousand five hundred and thirty-
seven of the Protestants of Sligo ; by a number of the in-
habitants of Leitrim ; and by 716 of the inhabitants of
Boyle. These petitions, the Noble Lord observed, as-
cribed the evils of Ireland to the prceeedings of the Jesuits
and the errors of Popery, an opinion in which he concurred.
Earl VERULAM presented petitions against the Catholics
from Grinstead, the parish of Penfold, the town of New-
cal!le-under-Lyne, Tantworth, in Warwickshire, and
several parishes in Essex and Hertford.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition
against the Catholics from the inhabitants of Dorchester,
in Dorsetshire, signed at a very numerous meeting ; from
the inhabitants of the borough of Renfrew ; and from
Cherburg.
Their Lordships then adjourned at a Quarter-past
Seven, until Thursday morning.