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London, England, 1845-03-06 00:00:00

i:eteast that ir raid be done was to ask him. He did not
!ae to heye his property seized per fas et
mfas. He was
!save that if some of his ancestors were to rise from their
gaves—though he had no wish in the world to see them—
P%‘Laughter)--they would be very much surprised at such
wer, and would strongly object to these proceedings.
those ir D. NORREYS thought that notice should be given to
i 3 persons through whose property the road was to
made, that they were about to take the land.—(Hear.)
;'_ e considered that the giving of 250 yards, in addition to 100,
I,hich would be about a fifth of a mile on each side of the
.1, was a monstrous power.
. r ord O. SOMERSET said that the Hon. Member had re-
d to clauses which had not yet come under discussion.
‘,. would suggest that it would be better to urge objections
'me the clauses were bfore e ommittee.
. Mr,. HA.YTER said,e thatth Cif they intended to limit the
Power which the railway companies now had, they ought to
show so
va me strong reason for so doing. The clause referred to
arts net idly introduced, but was introduced in the model Bill
11„...er mature deliberation. It was impossible for engineers to
le exactly the space which they might require.
sit •nr• WODEHOUSE said that he was precisely in this
le
aiation. A railway company had agreed to give a noble
slatire of his 20,0001., as a compensation for any loss that
1,4 Or the tenants might sustain. That was a large sum ap-
:arentii but his noble relative did not receive one sixpence
zif,it,.foi it was applied to a settled estate. It might be a fair
'Just
could •
compensation, or it might be the worst bargain that
to d possibly be made. If those railway schemes went
tstatee,3, who was to maintain the poor on the
lam ' It was this latter consideration alone that induced
d_ ,o ask the Noble Lord (Lord G. Somerset)—who con-
egeted the business before them in a manner which every
:,Itlellinust admire—(Hear, hear,)—to postpone this clau.se.
he w°flelY with regard to that part of the countryeervith which
connected,
he Connected, bu with regard to every other p
tid.thought that the course to be adopted should be clearly
cill)licitly declared.
cleii:°*e 20 was then postponed, and all the subsequent
es rip to 32.
ilostd,vu clause 32, relating to the crossing of roads, being pro-
setidtr- AGLIONBY said he hoped the Noble Lord would con.
1/4 eltrrt?aluesert th%word " highways" in this clause instead of
tor ‘ 4, roads.
to th: SOMERSET intimated that he could not agree
ure amendment proposed.
%the %,10NBY expressed his surprise at such opposition
raitt... part ofthe Noble Lord, when a majority of the Corn..
poki.' n,!(I the other day decided in favour of a similar pro-
Wii ; it hough the clause was not the same, the principle
id)lit was that of extending a just protection to the
leieeT the cases to which the clause referred. He
weedy the Noble Lord had said that the effect
taittlig7 in all cases to prevent railways from
.1-4'et- ...14CIS on a level ; but that was a mistake : such
t-eti t:-eserved to the Committee sitting on a special
e-lacle o a; Whether in particular cases, roads should be
Zed Pitii evel, or whether the public safety could be se-
,-Qui, y fr,,,, out such a provision.—(Hear, hear.) There were
;•Se ee,'),Tatlas both hich children were accustomed to go to
slrel -"r,-.B,u°re, or places for amusement ; and where a
s4st' -,,,-.1 was made for their accommodation, he was told
treteeinCHsal'Y cases not even a policeman was placed there to
,rßes; 7,e, Public. He load consulted the agent of one of the
-11sth.r-v,_"waYs, and also one of the ablest engineers in the
Dshli ' ' "'ill of whom told him they had for years felt that the
/111Sthe:thre not sufficiently protected. He had asked them
~.,411ulterf e necessity of having bridges or conduits would at
Nly ~ete with the progress of the railway business leae
'Ss b„lail,, that it would not interfere with it in the st.
kid ric were often driven to use a ladder in ascending
ilia, Wend;
L• the„ ---ng when they crossed a railway. He maintained
f
,"lid „,ught not to be put to such an inconvenience. I
',1411-e, succeed in inserting the word " highways" gene-
tt es.Rehould propose to insert in clause 44 these words :-
I:SiCraPaity shall make convenient ascents and descents,
ware ielii or bridges over, or culverts under, the railway,
eleseirnsavY foi theconvenience of the public." Another
to'st_ wcetei,had been sueggested to him was :—" And in those
)Ne an,'. bridges either under or over can be conveniently
llisiti: ere reasonably required, the company shall, on the
11.- .e4;11 of two justices of the peace, construct such hridges
-'"el. li;_sil, cb ascending and descending approaches.:
"high-
"4,710 ''''iner concluded by proposing to substitute igh-
-44 itutteadcarriage roads."
selC PAT
cootiecrit. 1,, 44ER agreed with the Hon. Gentleman on this
. mine case of bridle roads was one well deserving
thikeateer 47. lie should suggest a reference to justices in
titne T °away&
jaAtIGERTON supported the amendment.
h, ate& VES thought it advisable to make the public Acts.
lAII-'l4 Possible„ and to leave to the Committees on pre-
h4r, I,'4'ksi.s. little latitude as possible.—(Hear.)
tlihillete 'I3Y thought that the preservation of the foot-
`+diiNds °f the greatest importance. If there was not some-
kt oiler? compel the companies to make proper ways in-
;!et the the Paths which they intercepted or destroyed,
10 ill C., not carry their road across a path, and then make
iii,44 tiAlr'e cuttings on both sides, and leave it to those who
3 epee %teeth to find their way as they could across the
C.lthen the train was coming ?—( Hear.)
Ilther fl.',4',EY approved of the proposition of the H.on.
brtiinetuirtnk'OC k ertnouth. It would be a most valuable im-
Ifb.Ssev " bring every footway before the Committee, as
VeatttrYak,carriage-way, as those who usedH the footways
WIN, trule to take care of themselves.—( ear.)
toteillee;i4,TTEN thought the amendment would do no
Vri_Vatif,.."l, suggestion of his Hon. Friend the Member
ttiottZ e.-: Vqr. R. Palmer) were adopted. It would be
the -e'a it to persons on the spot to say whether the
Plt2ide,l3,„ridie ways should be crossed. or not.
ate --"d3Y add that in proposing that the inquiry
Nall° Ri,fh°l34.,tways shouldi' take place in the Committee, he
1/4110tk„''' occasion expense to the companies , but he
taublz-ve the expense of the companies at the expense
It.) ses_ 'lek--(llear.)
'Ich,'we.i'SIEBSET thought that the amendment would
Virit ta Principle which the Committee would find_
sensevery
44,111•14.111„,,trY out.—(Hear, hear.) However, as the
°Jo...lilts...lnert' se dso strongly in its favour, he would
i°Y.4llad.,ll!'. But he would propose either as a new clause,
i day the it,ieet
to this, a provision such as was suggested
/Nib, ‘tti Up ember enTher for, Berkshire. That clause could. not
lt, ti, 111 hr In a minute and he would take time until the
kest`th_ .the re.port'to prepare it.. At present lie would
Skllioribe insertion of the words in the Hon. Member's
ihliAtit'e) amendment.
h`thoe rightso said, there could be no question whatever
h'stee'etZ sf foot-passengers were equally as important
let,ere, err, tsons who could afford to keep carriages Ho
4411-sr,teo-Zsgrue
which
the Hon. Member for Cockermouth
had pursued.
Litstet444. 18°N. heVlhd to express his opinion in favour of
zouloP..-ent. r wis :passengers had just as much right to
.kao Is,,TIY other class of passengers. He. had seen on
‘,11,:14 114 --:‘i Birmingham Railway great inconvenience
N ~ lit - w•ant of sufficient accommodation for foot-p.as-
Satiilarrthey k '"a °II theow had to go down steps on the one side,
Itthgst:lto the Other, and this he thought was extremely
would refer these matters,
the
het iksh.Public safety. I
lrlteferinnce, to two justicie,esontothe spot, and then let
quarter sessions. At
0 N:thate`:•eas other cases.
v‘seeerev'ery facility to railways.
til,Opell,_,°ll, ewiosPetdhothse give
wished to offer any
'Stay, tilAmunerits to these great projects, but still he
N "et - suggestion of the Hon. Member for Cocker-
kt *LWith his-
L 41._ leiv„,... entire. approbation.
kittliti,gteht:4l4seaitivirfaftttileo, wishedhpauenb7iui to insert a clause affect-
table tribunal to say whe-
-1 c required any sacrifices to be
.'Z(I On of the railway.
littk4t°ll3t *o44ll,YtSET.said lie would consider what other
•1,,, 'l heel 'be required, and then frame a special clauose.
illgs.:;se,„!B Well as the views of the Hon. Member opp
tllle',4 ir, Jai clause he should submit to the Board ofse
tii,olett:ll the were approved of by them he would propo
1.1% ~,I S/iprorninittee, or on the bringing-up of the report.tb
ttfte4eli ir,4IIORP objected to the paragraph
tkt , elosePosed a penalty of 40s. upon offieerst
kin
ne-e
441,404pz1e the thole gates which were entrusted whoo
them„
sd eght it was not sufficiently heavy. This was '
in the
httillkt%o4l3reteedabilYedth,,e Itlyese,cosnomveenifeenweysea, s g
e "rbuat ow,hat he
1;t1 111,41,1•)e x‘ Public nuisances."pa He meant omnibuses.—
Itkolsgelea "'e impudent fellows than those who drove
toi ittp,,,lttld hardly be met with, and when thever penalty
FLlth ;°,,,,,,,-er,eni, was only 405., the evil wtuatser
for abated.
etcetcotith rison.ment was subs i fi ac-
-1r.14 thliN h the negligence of those fellows became.. less
11 N. e -e should like to see the same principle ap-
ikllttth,tp‘A4lalev °f rail v
IN, Servill_,Ya saiwda-Lother paragraphe in this clause
o;,', ttiikle it ,'' tion of his views.. Th part to which he
hstiht seid,vol,
ipulsory for railway companies. to build
itt,l, es wish.rretoing about gates, or men to mind thfemt.
i ti "" to est br h this principle—that the oo
)p.1)414,41041,1 , als .
qt th ;hp" ''e protected in the same way as the car-
Iteth'elia.--liarnely by putting up gates; and where
xtliii. 11140,, tiecessary% placing officers
.to mind them.
L 444: I,4fit ahr•gtliug in favour of any point by which he
1,1% *bid himself; his sole object was that the
k‘oo behave a right to have gates at all
17 iltotsa ep"e weree footpaths, and men at those gates
‘41.4 44,jcovr, he would ask the Noble Lord, were
0 htakTetie;'' of cases where human life was endangered
4&14' of -of these precautions?—(hear, hear.) He
N Sse, to /10ttetupts that had been made by certain
" NCI 9up these footpaths altogether, they
tlik). !such•
01,0 thOf th nuisances ; and he quite agreed
.tit' Sept ..eni were ; but though they were such, yet.
:11.`totlietti",er,e necessary for the use of the public, and
NIL Itl-17 no „s Los attended to. Now he would ask, was
NI th,_lth %.'to or other protection at both ends of a foot-
11°4. Ss.'ited 41Liht pass through a populous town,
.e tett elocY railway ? On such footw.ays, men and
l'Net 140' thadtre,,n Were continually passing, and it. was
ktet SC° traTh'uo publication of the starting and arriving
01 111- 'Oki Va-"It8 was sufficient warning.. Therefore, he
' tsth ft, general clause requiring the erection of
Otlitetti;), el ;lee; and officers where necessary, and then
k'std..Abli 017, Justices thed tail. He begged to move
I;i7io, 4,1'4 nwurds " highwe a -s" for "carriage-ways."
~,A„sgee; effe,t,,‘'oted very much3if even that would have
VAT' iticor he could not see what use a gate would
kb; ' SOell to Thi • 1 ttlo4 ttitc, lid it.
eVis Dthould h'3ET conceived that if the Hon. Member's
eiti•-lts.° rails e agreed to, it would have the effect of
i` lto-1,0 bewaYe altogether ; at least, if a line of any
'4,b,lkir eroLeade, it would be rendered almost useless if
Kletk;.to 417 1,3' four or five hundred gates, and men
4-otAGOld .ePt rIP at the expense of the company. He
Nt q joqt[lot a stile be sufficient ?
hKeetimSClkk,flow was a horse to cross a style?
01 Net.' cro..-'oET—Where there were bridle roads
'14:: Ikq ---1 but foot paths were not necessary in
" t "
4„ .111,
h)...41,,,q. 5f.,,, The Bill contained us provision for
yr.lll2patt Rs„.
q;NI Not ,r-'l. could assure the Hon. Member that
tO,-11414; that e•re inserted, it would be found to be so
)t lit 1.1, r
o_ it
, r . would be rendered nugatory by
llit‘ilh..°' liee,'",nceet,.,,'lceptions that would be intro-
4, h, dr, 'Der t '", that, giving the power proposed by
1 'el 'kat Ile th ° local justices,
)t,,.. 4 , 1. e Plibl* more real harm. than good
Ile mile oula ic- On the whole he did hope that
if be 21:le 0,,,, nOt a • •t• and if it
it,„' t, ,NI ill ven it 1, gvee to this proposi ion, . .
414, aqs ~ "adei„z,e would resist it, for he conceived it
ot to -et.)Nz "`" course to adopt.
ki4 'isB4Ue ' 13Y th
,0 gcht, that it ought it would be better for the
If htiles Was ill-advised, than that it had been
'OO co ? :ere to be made, lie would ask why
4b,0,,,,1:1riP,,.nierl 4 surely, if local justices weret
e%Nte et,es NI, ennlPetent to decide as o
ik1111.?: for itily to ere and were not necessary,
404tpat ;1;44? inPetent to form a judgment as to the
'tt 144' °lli;',la teas:Wear.) Clause 49 had been alluded to
Istli, 114' 'lst the and on referring to it he found it
$4.'040,44'1. tkiute
tpbrotection of the owners of land,_. and-
N.Nts'(ll ' 'ear) ,l'e:s! would take care of them
lt t er, ---,mit were the public to have no pro-
N,,111e with ar)
Itl et ottid the i„ .On the whole, he was so strongly
tlev, 414 diviaertlce and fairness of his proposition,
te,l,'lte ZAhthwilzeif t Inlo‘use upon it, for he conceived he
4titi44 *hich '144 'said doingi• so.
Nke etathe his x ttiaLit was not the 49th
endlit.. • 44th i Ale Friend referred, but to the
cia
I'lit -eegait Was not uses. The clauses were perfectly
)04 ;tate at the
other
at all necessary, because one clause
Ntect, il, 0 ,ituLher should be passed also, and he did
41-7 wlo°l4ll°,i3'ttratbiljet if the words were inserted
Member for Cockermouth
". hav: the effect of preventing the