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London, England, 1811-02-28 00:00:00

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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

wErn:Eit)4lY, FEB. 27.

who 'elm,. Lientenrint. Frederick yen Steinwl er to be
ditto, •Ait 11 temporary rank, vice Hertel, deceased.
To he Franz von Thie,xliwitz, vice
tiralifielooeol. Lod. von Schwartztatmg, vice Gladis,
deceawn. .W. K.retchnian, rice von Steinwhet.
To he Serjeatits ---- Meyer, vice von Thies-
chwitz. Zweifel, vice Schwatzenberg. Griesitani, vice
Kret,lttilar.

MEMOR A N nun,
The appointment or Robert alsh, Gent. to be Ensign,
by purchase, in the 6ith Foot, as stated in the Gazette of
the Inn instant, 14a$ not taker place.
The removal of Assistant-SurAeun Vermenlin, from the
Cape Regiment to the 6-,tti Foot, as stated in the Gazette of
the thth instant, hasnot taken lace.
En:OA littikeley, of the 66th Foot, is superseded, being
absent ',trout leave.

EAR AT n in the Gazettes of the t 2,th and t6th instant.
74th Foot,
For Enkign 'Wilbraham Neven to be Lieutenant,
Reao Ensign ThoittaS Neven to be Lieutenant.
3d Regiment ache Royal East India Volunteers,
Eor Major lulu] Daniiril to tie Llentenant-Colonel,
Read Major lames Uutuell to be Lieutenatit.Colonel.
Commissions signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the County
ut Kent.
SeTenoaks and Bromley 'Regiment of Local. Militia.:
To be ht►stgn—Charles Keison, Gent.
2d East Kent, or Lath of Seray and %Vingliarn Regiment
of Local Militia.
To be Captains—Thomas Pittman, Esq.
,Samuel

herd, F.sq.
To be Lieutenants—William. Sea, Gent. Robert 'Linde,
jun. Gent. Thomas' %Vatter. Gent. Edward Gardner,
Gent. John Gent. William C ',airman Gent.
William Gunnell, Gent. W titian Shove Chalk, Gent.,
Robert !Jackman, Gent. lames Kniglita.Gent.
To be Ensign Charles dills, G ut.
Commission signed by the Lord Lieutenant of /Tants.
• porsmouth Battalion of Volunteer Light Infantry.
To be Second Lieutenant—John Godwin Williams, Gent.
Vice Crocker, promoted.

Commission in the:Royal Cardigan Militia; signed by the
. . . .

Lord Lieutenant.
To be Ensign-1. Brinley, Gent.
Cotntnission in the Royal South Lincolnshire Militia, signed
by the Lord Lieutenant.
To be Captain, by Btevet— lusi.th Smith, Esq.
Commission in the porsetsliire Volunteer Int4ntry, signed

by tile Lord Lieutenant.
To be Adjutant—Lidsyard Tho►npson, Gent. vie e Meggs re-
signed.

IMPE B. IA li. P.41111J4411EN1.'

Sir S. Rottittr.oit piesented tt Petition from severe'
Proprietors of bleaching-grounds, in the north o
Ireland, which he said‘ were sigi ed by 150 names
but that these consisted of the most respectable itt
habitants, Who were all interested in these bleach
in-ground's, praying a repeal of the several ACt4
making stealing cloth from bleaching-grounds.a ca-
pital felony. The reason stated for this was, that
titan the excessiveness of the putt ;sit ment both
juries and witnesses were deterred from doing their
ilent , dud the petit'oners were thereby left Veit hoot
fp means of redress ur remedy.-e-Ordered to lie on
the table.
He also presented another Petition to the same
effect, from the Master Calico-printers in the
neighbourhood of London, who constituted a ma-
jority of the trade.—Ordered to lie on the table,.
The Hotiourable and Learned Gentleman then
gave notice, that he would take an early opportunity
to move for leave to bring in a Bill for the repeal of
the 3d Geo. 111. making it a capital felony to steal
cieth from bleaching-grounds, entitle, 18th Geo. If,
snaking it a capital felony to steal to the value of
los, in a fulling-house. The Petitioners, he said,
were persons who did net speak on speculation or
unfouteled information, bitt from practical know-
ledge. They were the persons Moat intimately itt..
terested, and Who were
,the only stiffi.mes by these
Ails being inadequate to the purposes tor, which
they were framed, and therefore had the strongest
reasons to wish for their repeal.
Mr. Lzecu gave not cc, that he would on Mon-
day move for leave to bring in a Bill to explain
and amend 30
,much of an Ad passed last Session as
relates to the salaries to Foreign Mmister4.
Mr. Keox postponed the consideration of the
Limerick Petition to the kith of April.
Mr. Pattrieet. gave notice, that he would, on an
oily day, mote for copies of the Orders issued to
prevent Officers in the Army from compelling Ito-
mm Catholic Soldiers to attend places of Protestant
worship.
The CII4NCKLL,PR of the EXCHEQUIIIt rose to
make the motion of which he had given notice. He'
said,' he conceived the House must be sensible of
the great inconvenience and delay which had been
occasioned to the public business last Session,' by the
centieual confild there was between Notices of
Mottoes and the Orders of the Day, by which many
orders of the greatest importance were obliged to be
broughton nt so late an our as two o'clock in the
morning, This, he thought, might easily be avoid-
ed bymaking an order of the House, that orders of
the day should have the precedence on certain days
in :he week, and notices of 'notion on the others.
When he Mentioned this matter before, the princi-•
pal objection seemed to be, that such an arrangement
would affect the right which every Member pos-
messes of making a motion without giving any. no-
tice. Toobviate this, however, he would propose,
that let the matter of this motion be settled how it
might, he intended it should in no way whatever
peeelede any Gentleman from 'netkietT, such leutiee
as he reel ht think necessary, without giving any no-
tice. He would foot, therefore, trouble the House
farther than to move,
" That in the present Session of Parliament, the
Orders of the DI set down in the Order-book.for
Mondays,,Wedneeleys, and Friday's, shotild have
the precedence of Notices flied for those days ; and
that Notices should have precedence on the other
two days."
The question being put from the Chair,
Mr. Poisoteav (injected to the motion, because,
potwithittanding what bad been :laid by the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, be could see.no inconve-
pience from adherne to the oh mode. He thought,
therefore, it. would be better to leave it Loan under-
atattrthig of the Hoose, than. to make it a standing
'order. It would be deneetons to depart from the
standing rules of the House, estabhshed by long
tly ege and practice, which oUP.slo to he adhered
to
-*them thong') ,some meonvetnence should be pro.
famed 'rein so doing.
M, You te. tile in support of the mutton.
Me, C. W. WINN!: thritle,6l it would be butter to
ix it eat aft uuderstanetog et the'Hortse.

Mr. Bistittes said, he had felt the inconvenience
alluded to by the Chancellor of the Exchequer in
the course of the last Session and if it came to a
vote, lie should certainly give his in favour of the mo-
tion; but he thought it would answer the same end
if agreed to as an understanding of the House.
• Lord FOLKSTONE said, if any inconvenience bad
arisen in the course of the last Session from the
causes mentioned by the Chancellor of the Ex—
c !lever, tt was ow ing ie the first place to the
assembling Parliament so late, and in the next to
Ministers so lung deferring to bring forward the
public business. Before the Union took place, and
brought with it so much more pressure of business,
Parliament used to sit near double the time it had done
since that pressure was so much increased. He
thought it would, therefore, be better to let it be
fixed as an understanding of the House.
Mr. WHITBREAD opposed both the resolution and
the widen stantlieg. He thought it unfair that three
days should be allowed for a preference to orders of
the day, and only two left tor notices of motions,
which might involve the most- important conceals
of the country. The Minister had seized on Satur-
day as his, own, and bad made it merely a day of
registtatien : and so would all the. other days be
converted into days of rei:istration in a very few
years. He objected to the ietroduaion oldie word
notices" at all. Mr. Burke said, that f‘ forms":
were the lutrenchments of
~minorities'; and there
was a time when the Right Hon. Gentleman had
thought it necessary to intrench himself to the teeth
in rhi,se forms, and had thereby baffled the whole
power of Government. The Right Hon. Gentleman
kneW,,therefore,,that by this expedient he Would be,
able to get through the public business ins compara-'
tively short time ;. and though a nuniber Of notices
of inquiriei of the highest importance stout' on the
book, he would advise the King to prorogue • the
Parliament, :ind those notices would be rendered nu-
gatory. The Right Hon. Gentleman complained. of
public business having been delayed-,-why then did
he not bring it forward sooner ? This reminded him
of the story of a Nobleman travelling in Germany,
who was very urgent with the post-boy to' drite on
faster, as be was in great haste ; to which the driver
replied, " If you are in such very great haste, v by
did you not set off yesterday ?" So if the Right
Hon. Gentleman wanted the public business done
sooner, why did he not assemble Parliament in No-
vember, instead of the latter end of January, as had
been the case in thsithree last ' Sessions.. He Con-
cluded by moving, that the further consideration of
this debate be adjourned to Monday.
The question having been put on . Mr. WHIT-
BRE An's amendment,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIRCLUER rose, and
said, that if any Gentleman, or a number of Gen-
tlemen, should think he bad been precipitate in his
notice, or would wish for more time to consider it,
he should not object to postponing the discussion fir'
a few days. He had, however, last Session given a:
&mind notice, that,he would bring forward a mo-
tion 10 thifil etre& early in the present Session. He
would, however, now say, that the Honourable
Gentleman, who %puke last, appeared to have lois-
taken the object of his motion. It did not go to
prevent motions coming forward on Mondays,
'ednesdays, and Fridays, hut merely to give the
orders precedence on those days. It the orders of
the day were to be passed merely in the way that
the Hon. Gentleman called regislralioe, they could
not take up nOich lime, and therefore there would
be plenty of lime for the motions after they were
:disposed it would naturally appear as if the
orders of the day ought to have precedence of no-
-tices, because t.itey were a portion of the public
business tixed,by the House itself. to come forward
on a.,certain day) whereas notices were only fixed
at the pleasure of an individual Member. A Eight
Honourable Gentleman (Mr, Ponsonby) • who op-
posed his motion, must recollect, that in the Irish
Parliament, orders had Awls the precedence of no-
' tices. He thought it was a grievance universally,
felt and complained of, that important public busi-
ness was often necessarily thrown hick to such a:
time that it was necessary to pass it in a thin Heuse.
The Irish finance business had been in that preni-
cement. As to the remedy, of lengthening the Ses-
sion, it appeared to him that, since time Union, it
was not desirable that Irish Members should be
brought over, for a short Session of about 'three
weeks previous to Christmas, and therefore it ap-
peared to him most inexpedient that Parliament
should sit before Christmas. Every Member roust '
observe the great impatience that there always
was in the month of hoe for the Session to con-
clude, and the difficulty of retaining a stiffiCient at-
tendance of Members. As to Saturday, he denied
that that was a day reserved by Ministers ; it was a
day that he had never objected to the House sitting
'on arty business, which was . not likely to produce
discussion, As other business was fixed for Mon.
day, he suggested to the Hon. Member, that Tues-
day would be a betoter,day to name.
Mr. PONSONBY shortly explained.
Mr. CitStiVitY said, that what he had principally.
complained of on a former day, was, that time busi-
ness did not come can in the House in the order that
it was entered, and that on that account Members
were frequently taken by surprise, and business of
the ;first importance disposed 'of in a thin 'House,
and in the absence of those who were most anxious
to attend the discussion. In this manner the grant
,to the East India Company was passed.
Mr. BATHURST suggested, that instead of giving
the orders the precedence for tree days Out of five,
it would be fairet that they should each base two
days alternately.
Al ter some farther conversation, the Amendment
was put and carried, by which the farther consi-
deretion of the motion was postponed till Teesday,
next.
Mr. Knetticx obtained leave to bring inn Bill to
amend the Act, monied " The General Inclosure
Bill:" Leave was granted, and the Bill was brought
in *led read a first time.
The Population Bill was read a third thne, and
passed.
Time Silk -MannfaCluters' Bill, the. Mali Doty
Bill, time Irish treasury Bills Bill, the Ten Millions
and a H.tlf, and One Million tied a Half Exchequer
Bills Bill, were read a sec,,,nd time, and.orderectto
be reported 10-morrow.