The Sun.
London, England, 1816-06-01 00:00:00

alinded to the 7th,of Queen Anne for naturalizing
Trotcstant Aliens, to sheW the feelings entertain-
ed by nor ancestors respecting Al ens, in the bet-
ter titnesof our Coustitun ion. Such policy brought
talent, And virtue into this country. How
different was that now adopted. Evevy,thing he
had in thii country haul been acquired 'by the pro-
tection and hospitality .which Eagiand had ex;-
tended to Aliens %rhea she was the champion of
the protestant taith ;And of the rights of all nations-
in Europe. But she lint 1141tV re-established the
Pope and the House ot Bourbon, the greatcSi
enemy to 1.140 y, amt at this very thne the prow-
color ut Protestants. He then took a general
vietv of :the probable effects of the Bill and the
arguments urged in its favour, which he combat-
et!. He contended that the prerogative of send-
iog-aliens out of-the cumin y did not really, exist,
in the quarter where .it had been mentioned to re-,
side. The House tvere in fact legislating for the
French Go:eminent and not for Great Britain.
Sir S. lio:utt,Lv said, that the Bill invested'
Ministers with the power of sending out of the
couthry any alien %roman married to a natural
Mien subject, and Mother of natural horn subjects.
He conceived the reasons urged by the Noble
Loud against the clause now proposed, both lily°.
Nits and unfounded. He had seen that Ministers
had exercised the power given by this Au,. impro-
perly. it was now known that they 4(1 sent
away aliens at the' mere suggestion of a .Foreign.
Minister, and therefore he could not consent to
oral theill a second time with ant !unit y winch they
,had already it bfised.-The Ilduse then diiided---
Far the clause
Against it. 1)1.
Majority apinst it —GO
On being re-admitted we found
Mr. J. P. GRANT proposing a. clause to deprive
Ministers of the power ut transporting. an_ alien
bark within the very jaws of the persecution from
Which lie perhaps had fled. •He then moved, that
after the words " nut of the United I'l:n4u:dont"
these words be added "to such port; or place as
the said alien may. elect, 'provided be or sue can
make it appear that within a reasonable time a
passage may he procured tor hint or her to such
pmr or piace."
Lord CASTLettEAGII conceived thel clause un-
necessary, as there was no reason to suppose Mi•
niiners would mse,their power in the nitinner the
Bight. Hon. Gentleman represented. The intro-
duction of such a chose would only serve to di-
punish the re,pouibility of Ministers.
Mr.. PRESTON was understood tq support 'the
clause.

• Mr. LITTLETON said, that if lie was rightly in,
formed, a man of the name of Belfroi, whose
perty was invested here, hat.l been bent Out of the
country in 1815, after beven, years residence here.'
There was no reason to believe inunic.ii to
the Bourbons. He hail lost three .sons by the
Conscription, quel had a daughter married to an •
Englisbuntn. 'This he conceived to he a cAse in
Ministers had abused their power, aptk was
aterefore inirjiling to renew it. - • •.
Mr. 1181.+NETT asked for an explanation of •the
case mentioned by his Hon. Friend.
Sir S. Itoutt.t.y said that lie urtderstood- Mr.
Bearoi to have been most hostile to
,Blionaparto;
tinder.Vvhose Conscription Law three At WO sons
had been sent to the anny, and had perished.
ADDINOTON hoped the }louse would not
give credit to therand•An assertions that the Seeri,-
tary of State. had improperly used the power plactit
in his hands. Ile -protested .agaitrst7r. being Called
upon to answer such questions as hart been. put to
hint. He contil;.lkowever,assnre the House, that
Mr. liefiroi tad not' been sent to France to c.,
pose fdat to any danger j, and that the Secretary
of Stiete had always b'e'en most Outings not to
send Aliens to places where
.they"might be 0b.,,
nnxiuiita to ill treatment.

Mr. Amett.cßONllSlE'errlplainetb` that when any
Titrticular ease ►vit»•;,usentioned or. Iptcstrrot. put,
the Right hon. Gentleman always protested gairuit.
being called, upon .to aceOunt for svliat he had
douse. The true 'reason why he wonld not an,
ewer, however, wt,ts not difficult to be guessed.
Judging from what had' already taken place on a
tormer occasion, there Wag no doubt .bat he wa
informed on the clyenmstances' of the case. The,
was not intended. CO punish offences against
England, but offenca.against other Governments.
Jt was •a measure of Concert between :the Noble
Lord and the head Ministers of other States,. by
which', at the expenee of our Constitution, we
were to beCome the. Assistant Police Officers of
other conutrica.

After a few wards in reply from Mr. H. Ad-
dington, rind same brief rejoining observation!
from Lord Milton and Mr. Brougham,' the Amend-
ment was negatived.
Mr. PONSUNBY proposed as an Amendment,
that after the word " notwithstanding,” in the
last clause of the Bill, ,be added,-" provided al-
ways, that there be laid before the lionse,within
`lO days after the meeting of- each Session al Par-
liament, the name of each person sent oat of the
kingdom since the last day of the preceding Sts-
sion."

Lord CXSTLSREAGJI saw no reason why the.
mime of each Alien should be promidgated,which
Would be-hurtful to the feelings of their friends,
and perhaps injurious to-themselves,without bcing
of any utility whatever,
Mr. PRESTON bilnporfed the Amendment.
Mr. PoNsoNnv replied, that the Amendment
would make Ministers more cabtious as to whom
they sent out of the country.
• Sir SAMUEL ROMtLLY then proposed that the
words " two years" be left out of the last clause,'
for the purpose of inserting " one Year."
Mr. HouNea strongly supported this. Amend-
ment, on the ground that such an immense arbi-,
trary power ought not to be entrusted totinis—,
ters, without the utmost jealousy. The period of
two years would give them the opportunity o
exercising this power through the whole 01 the
next Session, without being called on to state
the necessity for it, either real or supposed. `l he
Will appeared to hint to be a ierroaca, and a sjaitt
upon the diameter of the House and the Country.

Lord CASTLItItE&GIi observed, • that it woad
equally open in the next SeSsion of
for any Memberto move the repeat of the Bill.—
The pyriod of ,two,years was the shortest Which
ought to be proposed in the first instance.
sir J, INIACKINTOSII 3i6kti.iin favour of tht

Ainzudin eat. There had not been assigned u singlet
satisfactory reason for'continuing the Bill for two
years., it was a Bill solely fOr the,creation of
tyrannical-power, to substitute Lettres de Cachet
intead of the Act of Habeas
the terrots.Ot the inquisition, in the place of the
-Trial by Jury.
A:'ter some further ohserNations from'Mr. PON-
soiN n't against any necessity for the front
-Lord_ CAsTLEI6 AGLI, in ,reply, and froth Mr.
BROUGnaM, who, in the course of his speech,
phi a high compliment to Mr. John Reeves', for
his independent conduct while at the head of the
Alien Departntent; asserting, that his opinion co-
incided itt all that' had been said by the opponents
of the Bilh.
~The lionsa divided on the Antendment,, fixing
the durttion of the Bill to one year—
'For it"
Aglinst Ft,
Major 4 .„
Mr. \U an, on our return to the Gallery, was
.speaking ill opposition to the Bill, which, if
pas,ed for two years, might be considered as a
pennant:tit measure, and one which ought not to
be sanctioned without prooti of its necessity, none
of which had in his opinion •been offered. The
lion. tlentleman argued at much length, to sitter
that however necessary the nreaSnees might have
been in 1793, that period could only be compared
with the present by way of contrast for-no Hotg-;
lishman.of•this day would wish to take lessons of
liberty front any Foreigner, and no foreigner, he'
should think, would be impudent enough to otter
any. •
Mr. LOCKHA.RT reviewed. the _progress of .ja-,
cobinical sentithents from the year 1793. I.4.ld-
luded to the opinioa.of Sir J. Macitintoslr, in
I'Bol, when defending Peltier„that those princt-.",
pies wonbi never bejenoupeed by those who bad
once
,inibibed
;them. lie firmly believed, that
though such persons had'ios't the pow,er of disse-
minating such principles, they would never aban-
don the itlchnation to do -so'. He' defended. the
13111, front a eonietion of its propriety, and'ifiat
Ministeri would'never'atinse the power vestet,
them to provide for tife--poblie security.: 'These.
Were extraordinary titres, and he felt-that extra
ordinary ineas'ores were stilit4ecoosary:
Possrotif repeated his sentiatetssagairtst.
tbe- Bill,
„Altera- few words fraint:Sic,.J,. Nsty.rilßT and`
Mr, BanUGHAM, the BIN was nail a 'tart! time,
and passed without a diviSinn.,!.r,
The. Resolutions of t hie
.Connuittee. on th.e,Coin-....;
age Btll.:were brou& , ..and...agreed,
CHOK En afterwards, brought tip the Bill, .tvhieh
was rea,3l a first finiet ,anti ordered f 4,.. a Seetinil-*
reading on Thuriday net.
Mr. CHOKER moved roiTleWielo'brirfk- in a MU'
40 enable all Officers and Soldiers who had served
in the army, navy, or marines,..to exersise;tratles4
• Sir •VtisaLus PoLR suggested ilkat,thq
slio,l4,Thr;ltide the militia, ..rtt •

• Mc: ;‘,:aou a. replied „ that.the I3W lit& beete co-
pied Verally from t hat .which fad al wayS-beekin- .
trodueed at,,tite. end of a Wee.—Lee-Ye Oven-
oi On the motion of Mn. Rosit, the Report of tfie.l
..,Saving's Banks Bill was•tieffered.to be received ow
Tidotley 'next.
Tbre' Bill, foe the regidation of Matehonses was
reatra'Seeond tittle and eonnnittete—lteport on
Mondey
.'eteenight.
The Millhank Penitent:ary Bill was read a thirrl
time told passed. •
The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a secort4,
time.
• The House went into a Committee on t
Madder .A et saint ious far, goetinuing.the
ties ,agreed to.
There were also Committeei on the Lotterjt Bill.
• „.
Mr.. J. P. thlwr ruse to move the resump-
tiou of the debate on the 7Fiimine
The motion being agreed to, he observed, that he
should "have thought he had' neglected-an itnpor-
tent part of ,his duty, it he had omitted to Call the
attention of the House to a subject of such deep.
inteeest. It was impossible for any Gentlenian,
who had 'listened to the speech of the Right
Alontstwahle Gentleman on opening the *kelfr.
not to he, convinced that the country laboured.
tneler the most severe difficulties. It Was cleat
that thq expenditnres it! the .fi=rst year of
.peace,
far exceeded ,the revenues, and were likely to
continua in this way for years to came. If
the proposition, . which -he should baste the
weir to propose, shpuld helece ildinisterS to adopt
sincere system of economy :and retrenehrneet,
lie,should think be had attained a very greet ah
ject.., Be by no weans Wished to eucourage de-
epoutlency, but to lance the House to look.
the real financial danger of the country in the
face. Ile was astonished that Ministers 'ho*con-
tente& themselfes with going"cm with temporary
expedients, to meet temporary objects, without
callin ;_ tnein, the fretise to assist them, end ex-
ercise its...wisdom itira;Coinmittee of inquiry. If
heshouldlee_detected in- any slight inaccuracy in
the statements he was 'about to make, it would
give him no sort of peiu ; but if detected in any
gross inaccuracy-fel-re shOuld feel proud, as it
mead slo.e.e that the eitnation of the country was
nOt'so bad as be apprehended it to be. All he
had done was to take the expenditure from the
votes of the of the permanent
charge on the Consolidated Fund, He had taken
altogether the expenditure of the United King-,
dom, withoui giving any , credit for the por-
tion that related to-Ireland, as it was clear that
Ireland could contribute no portion of that ex-
penditure froni her own resources. The Hon.
Gentleman then proceeded to react the substance
of hie Resolie,ione, twenty-seven in nember,- de-
clara!ory of tite votes agreed to by the House, for
the various supplies-ol• theyeer. On the part
which related to the deficiency of the revenue, to
defray the charges of tee•National' Debt of lie-
l'and, which was 616,3081., Irish currency, the
Han. Gentleman remarked; that ;as it wes'evident
she. could.not defray "this portion of her expendi-
ture,' site could eontribute-nothing to the other
portion-ti of 'her general share, anti that therefore
Eugland , mnst bean the whole. When to this
stun .of '610,308L was, added the charges on the
Civil List, and other pertnauent charges that
ought to be defrayed out of the revenues of ire.
Yana;
,it that ate defieiency amounted
1,031,2041.. Os. . 'Britfiah 'Money tied inprosing

~~

' ii
that in January, 1817, the same deficiency PIT
veiled, there would be 1,000,000/.a year added
the 30,000,0001. to be annually defrayed 'by the,
United Kingdom. He would rather understatit
the expenditures of Ireland than overstate them
The 18th Resolution set forth that on the sth
a:mum y there was due from Ireland tti Great prig
tain, as the balance arising from the payment 01.1
tacit country, on account of the joint charge of thei
United Kingdom, the sum of 2,942,2801.85. 11d.-;
There was at the same' time in the Exchequer oil
Ireland an unappropriated balance amounting tO
1,336,6951. Gs. 5d ; which, deducted 'root AO i
former sum, left to he provided, on aecnunt °t ire
land, a further sum of 1,605,5851. 2s. 6d. , The
total sum to be provided for by England, exclusive,
of the charges on the consolidated Fund, would its
the present year amount to 32,722,6301. 124 11(1'
To meet this, he skewed the Ways and Mesta
brought forward by the Chancellor of the. Be*
chequer amounted tri 16,584,9761. leaving a
deficiency of 16,137,6641. 12s. I lth , In the state'
mama he bad now made, some slight deviatioat
from the printed Resolutions would be observed',
as he had altered some of his figures, in order to
admit into his resolutions the Chancellor of 00
Exchequer's own calculations. He then went
into a lung statement of figures, theresult of whieli
he strewed to be, having added to the charges fur
the present year the 500,0001, required for the
new coinage, and the various charges, groW!tL
out of the late loans for Ireland, a sum
14,117,3071. remained to be provided for io Log..
land by a loan. This was our sii o.tion in tliv
present year, in which the Chancellor of th 6
Exchequer thought he had so happilY-g"'
ove,
all the difficulties with which the country inlF
!
o
lisd to contend. He (Mr. Grant) now wi'slic
,
the House to look at. the sitwition in ivhic,i`
the country would stand. in future years. •la
outer to do this he first deducted those charge!
which. were peculiar to the present year, sou
which would not again occtir, These inducting
tile Ordnance Service for
.1814 and 1815, awl "i''''
the Ordnance tor' Ireland in 1815, -the p.luiLat
of debentures, the dibt to the East II II Cow'
pally, thlt to the Bank of England, and the b,"
!ince due- to -Ireland, amounted together 'O
4,961,6031. 4,961,603/. 1 Is. 3d. The reductions iind farther
savings-on the Staff of the Army, and in the Ord'
mince depart merit; added to this,- would make 111!,.
. total charge toile borne in the present year, ou,'
W-hickwauld not occur ngain,'5,045,575/..10s St"
This sum deducteilthom the 32,722,6301. 1.2.11(1.
-which, he )tad. shenrn to be the total charge (":
• elusive of the charges on the consoliclate‘i Old!,
to be borne in the present year., left a sum in
7.27,677;055/. 2S. 3il.' which it Was prohibit! "
should hare to bear-in future years. To meet this
charge the WayS and Means; dedUcting tbe "g
.traortfinary aids of the present year,
''petted to amount to 9,800,0001. supposing!"
ex.isting taxes not to become leis productive that;
,they were at present, leaving a Oeficieney "
'
17,877,8551. 2s. 2d: which must be- met by reiluc:
thin of expenditure, iiir, by an increase might be else
ee of taiotinu'''
'Ministers must far years have looked for such' 7
result-; the•unexpectedly fortunate termination u
War onist have spared theni expences which thet.
could not butt have .suppoiesi the country'oat
have ro meet ; large sums rat Money bad in "11'
sequence remained in their hands, on which thel,
could uot have calculated they therefore trity'
fur years have looked forward to a deficiencY aril
of less noo oetude than that which he had no
"v
to exist, and he-now wished-to know of 114,
- Chancellor of the Exchequer what' plan he II"
formed for carrying the country through the 4"
culty? He bad been surprised to hear this CliaucePf
of the Exchequer on a formereVening exult diet 4,
portion of our debt would -be paid off in the resat
year ; without appegring to consider first 'that Ibis'
was paid off by means of the Sinking Fan(' r:
secoodly, that it was the consequence of the ".-
plus giant remaining in' hind Of the precedil
year; and, 'above -all, without remembering tb'„
he had. proposed to keep up Establishments, t 11::
expence of which eroalti exceed, by five or six 01'
lions the produce of the War Income of last ye`“,t
In that year the total expenditure of the cotint`;
had been about seventy•-two millions ; an'l 11.1e
total receipts, up to January last, sixty-six Si'
lions and some odd thousands. Ministers, 1,1,a .
,
Maintained, had 'not exerted themselves to cti°'-',
any savings that might relieve the cottony Wl*
the weight of taxation under which it now lahed'
ed, t ill they were compelled to do so by the decisit/ii-
of that House on the Property! Tax. The soils'
1 heyhad effected ,after all,amounted to but 177,000'
a SUM small when compared with tile, total 001:
diture of the nation; but large When the soots 0'
of which it had been saved were considerca,'.
He'shauld be glad to knOw that our future, er;
' penditure could be reduced below the st" 11 'jfl
Which he had taken it,. bat would Ministers h',,,-
out any hopes-Of this? Would they take upon
themselves- to say, that the expence of out c(),.'°e*:
nies would he less in the next year than tbe P•ri.
sent ; or that a smaller army would be ucces9l4.i
for the security of Ireland Oleo was et resells
called for ? He wished to know what. reductiee
could he made to cover the deficiency of which-d .
had spoken 1 He did not say great saiingt cs,lt
not be effected, but consistently with the 1,04;0'4-
views of Ministers, they could not. He'"'lslll'i-
to know to what they would pledge themselvieso
He then contended, from the returns of 'B4
year, the revenue seemed to be in a sinking 1,10
in a falling state ; and from a view of ?„i
papers to which he referred, he thought it ivi7.
chinierical to hope the Ways and Means wo"I'l cr,e
thine what they had been. He doubted if tclg,
would produce what the Chancellor of the file
chequer caleulated upon in the, present year i
......
more than doubted their doing so in the ne%tt'b,
He wished to know what was the plan of 1.01
ChancellOr of the Exchequer, whether be 100 's
I, forward at all to a reautuption of cash 114 Y rnes-t
o'f
or whether lie looked to a new depreciatioaxo
our currency, to make the collection Of Ills ts re
less difficult, and the payment of his ileitis m°
~
easy;--he wished to know if he thou
tinning still to borrow of the Bank, or if-.Lhep sot
content to go- on from! year to year with"' oak
plan at all, anti mist .to his stars to extricate
..,1,
from those difficulties which resulted from bii!"o,
providence ? He then moved his first Resolutic.' r
~,„
declaratory of the Grants made in there-scut J -
for the set viCe of the Navy. thought of coot;