The Sun.
London, England, 1842-04-05 00:00:00

tseti-
isxssrit e,:te , France one-half, certainly one-third, of the
in Se. derived from direct
azeriend
con, is • riowever he knew the difficulties of the Right
on the grar:antetrsend he for one was sincerely thankful -to him
fi?„ll4denee in the he promised by his tariff. Ile had such
absnslL. trrnonbiti:
iilrofessions. that Right Hon. Baronet, and in the honesty of
tfnat he would not vote for the proposal n of the
;led farther tSr Monmouth. He knew enough of the Right
.a know that he meant honestly—( Hear, hear )
INual, aro to
to give his decided opposition to the unjust,
',tow an " odious character of an income tax, he would net
Ni 4'Y linnecese
BuNe •ary obstacles in the way.—( Hear. )
Sir OM BE said a few words in explanation.
Nuts EEL said he hoped the Hon. Member for Men-
tes PI, • 5'6°4141 withdraw his motion, and allow the resolutitn
Rt
credit 'EAVITT said • •
It for his that giving the Right Hon. Baronet
i)nft, It the
_ahonest intention=, he would withdraw his motion,
nesti isie me time, he held that the honest speech of an
3, thenßer of Parliament ought not to be called an explo-
, R. prL!lqht Hon. Bsronet.—( Great laughter.)
!NI csuL said, that the Hon. Gentleman had misunder-
itt's)
se. ( ,In attributing the use of the word " explosion "to
e'l'ated eße speech.- What he referred to was, the an-
ty,
exiii plosion that was to take place throughout the coun-
rgsrdi eMence of the delay which had taken place with
li:it, 0 the 1D
.
irh id th Lorne tax, but he certainly did not confound the
itt/S,The atne:rallopn. Member with an explosion.
mitt nt was then withdrawn, and the House went
are eed
The cit ees Mr. GREEN in the cka:r.
et
teman then read the resolution, which was put
the Al. aiu
ht.,d
0, SON said, that the Right Hon. Baronet at
sintrits , her Majesty's Government having made state-
ti • corn
00, Ni pletely the reverse of what had fallen from the
tile etnbe f
eollnirr °r Monmouth, with respect to the feelings of
r," /IQ n the income tax, he was sorry an opportunity
41,1's eereen, of ascertaining what the feelings of the country
1;o a pro2y means of petitions—(Hear, hear)--though
th rition was made for continuing the income tax in
"'n Chancellor of the Exchequer attempted to slow
at
'e Petitio • Itigh of _ ns against the income tax did Hot express the
" soled
„_Ly.eonsiderable number of persons. He conft:ssed
aidees thr,t,qutte agree with much of what had fallen from either
di: 'tease as to the proceeds of the income tax, or as to its
aid ellt-goirttinued in three years. The Right Hon. Baronet
114:41,5t Leatsh°Pe as an inducement to persons to vote for the
ihre'stare iic."lr• Gibson) saw no reason why, if the tax were
the three
Years It WOUld not also be necessary at the end of
defieie • The Right Hon. Baronet had laid it down that
in
-1 ''eY was one of a permanent character, and that the
Wit a's or
I,e at hoes' good or bad harvests, had nothing to do with it.
Mmeties " "as there, then, that after three years, they would
- to di,
-Pense with the tax, and have at the same
11' had
st equality between the expenditure and revenue ?
resdeated that he brought forward a tariff reform, and
'4'%exit:Walt alterations in it as would revive the trade of
, 04
utt iY, and rendering the Excise and Customs duties
Amite ve, would have the effect of equalising the ex-
re with the income of the country. It was true that
itas,hereouree of
policy would in time have that effect, but
iti°l4l must be one of a bolder and more comprehensive
t"issen ht
that enntemplatedby the Right Hon. Baronet.
l-t'eleP't talk of visionary theorists,but the Right Hon. Baronet
ry'ila larger result from his measure than the most vi-
rllesed
aieorist in the Anti-Corn-law League. Though he
ir!the c°,llprehensive reform had been the effect of equals-
jt't eiiiill'etture with the revenue, he did not expect that
the pi `'n, of money would be forthcoming in consequence
ttiinoe„hatt, of the Right Honourable Baronet. If the Right
t;nril '"wie hat onet was afraid of holding out expectaticns
tt'ist seciAtlid not be fulfilled, he hoped that he hail in store
ttisttifyillbPir_ehe.nsive measure' with respect to foreign sugar,
it'i'tet in in leadng the country to believe that the in-
,rttse ilw°,lld be dispensed with in three years. He re-
ef :hat if there was any intention of proposing an equali-
lel'etatieal'e emty on the inheritance of real property with that
to°t'•Poertthoy, iset
who were was not pwillingut in extoecufollowtien then because
ed the Right
himaro thatnet now would not in a short. time be so subservient
rtNt
wlf under the tax of the Right Hon. Baronet every
tv: booea3 to pay according to his means—according it
48,4 iis,.."ts he derived from the State—why was it
se up at the end of three years?— ( Hear, hear.) If
004, as good and just it ought to be retained, and those
Sttile tn„'n,nstimption, which Bon. Gentlemen opposite allowed
* 'ore xnore unjust, ought to be abolished. He had not
fai,Tess his opinion on the income tax, but he thought it
,e 44,2 state, arid he believed it also to be the opinion of his
rti;mtii that in the tariff of the Right Hon. Baronet there
Rona ste,:l excellent improvements, but he also looked upon it
Linter t° a more free system of commerce. He would not
Correia' s the Agricultural Advocate in stating that the Anti-
sik'S sd,League had found in the Bight Hon. Baronet a
tle , iottate for their kopositiens, because the great number
sve 4:lterations's-in the tariff were of a very trifling character,
oNlieeked upon it as a step that would ultimately lead to
,I,Siett'g better. The Right Hon. Baronet had quoted the
EP Cv ef Mr. D. Hume and others, who were much looked
44 it;theAnti Corn-law League, but he wished that he had
, Is recollection the saying of Mr. Hume—" that the
(-;°.i'sid not pay public taxes and private taxes too." He
Siei„ would have wished that the Right Hen. Baroret
thattax which was going into the pockets of
(lisa,leti,Saidualt without in the least benefiting the revenue.
ktw,eeti-itt) He wished he had intercepted the difference of duty
thShwa. and 4d. in the article
(Henee from going into the
at a color:ha interest.— , hear.) Hewished
difference should be allowed to be paid into the Ex-
Sapposing the commercial reform introduced
kneels Aight• Honourable Baronet had the effect in
of equalising the expenditure and revenue, and that
tereenary in the interval to raise a sum of money for the
RThviees he would in that case agree to an income tax.
bs Kt" of the Right Honourable Baronet was to
ye tst4en sum within a certain period on the country.
H `flora would take as much in three years from professional
41. (i '3 it would from real property. Was this just? lf
tritlemen opposite could sanction the injustice of a tax
ts!!ie,:r°,llosed on all kinds of property, the community at
liey-itint not, and conscience would not check them from
4ktitse',, it by fraud when they could. The Government had
Wittig tatteropt to equalise the distribution of their tax ac-
tts
it° the actual means of different classes of the public.
4,„tiat in fact no improvement in the }resent income tax
th`t'ffer-t' former times. If the Government had used half
4 Hiatt' to impose the tax justly on the community that
Sirithe used to shift in some parts of the community to favour
tht'Cisvassess there would now be no cause for complaint.
th tat, eminent then rested its apology on the necessity of
114'ilte,', He (Mr. Gibson) would not allow that there was
n. '44 necessity to justify the imposition of such a tax.
tits sttf:',ntlernen on his side could suggest meat s to supply
ted.'•leticY of the revenue without resorting to an income
the n't was not their duty to suggeet them at present, fie-,
I•:,,iltitt Hon. Baronet himself Lad weil said, a physician
(%-'.„O prescribe until he had been called in. Neverthelese,
". s) corortction was that the Right Hon. Baront
o;ty ~,re avoided a recourse to this tax by a reduction of the
''sreign sugars, and an equalisation of the duties on the
;• )1 real and personal property. He (Mr. G.) had
wnself to his constituents to oppose the income tax,
teiitiese'°re he would oppose it ; and if the Right Hon.
41 nt to realise the sum he had estimated, its produce
Pk't eelleet
tL ion must be made by la3ir g informations against,
te? rt,„ had given in incomes less than they possessed, and
itlatir employ spies and informers, giving these men an
,vry in 0 all aduitional sums that should come into the Tree-
ttws
~rent
uence of their information. Could anything be
Otis errent to the feelings of Englishmen than such a s3s-
T,'etlid `Vilen Mr. rat imposed his income tax of ten per cent.
del st'tbt get ,o much under its lax and indulgent operationas
tai erwards under the more stringent system adopted when
h %vs
s' sew s laid on at five per cent. when spies and informers
• let '''°3ed The Right Hon. Baronet said there had been
4tt ria v •
, ittes,l4t very strong and general expression of public feeling
tl‘,Nd e tax. His (Mr. G's.) answer was that the country
qtattla threwd be effectually moved until" the law had been passed
titi.t the People had felt the working of it. When the people
see,
,114, of the tax all that public feeling would be aroused
•...,-.(tlence of which the Right Hon. Baronet now taunted
arear, hear.)
yamWASON rose to order. He beved the . Gen-
. 4s 4 ‘l,l 1u 1.
iilast spoke, and other Hon.eli Members, Eon
were not
eleasas the hist resolution had been passed.— ( Hear, hear.)
pp 6.441 that it had been improperly passed.—( Hear, hear. )
ventlernan wishing to speak, seeing the Hon. Chairman
tt:th: se way to him, and he took advantage of the interval to
es• si°,estii re when it was carried. He (air. W. ), how-
i?„..'d ask whether the resolution had really passed ?
,Ilit4a*,‘":l A lIIM AN said, when he read the resolution he was
brit are
the rising of any Hon. Gentleman. First he (the
teti'itha "aid "pie thought the ayes had it"—then he stopped
ge,te, and said " the ayes had it." But if it would be more
eti'' u,Y he would put the resolution in other terms.—( Hear. )
est h4LLACE said, on the word of a gentleman, he did
e, tile reselution read. All he could hear the Chairman
" the ayes have it." He believed, however, the ells-
' tetAil• ihe"ht, pr-oceed on the question now as well as before.
let' Ise '‘l\ ATCHBULL said he had heard the resolution
rtetis,t deliberately, and there was a dead silence on the op-
:sit lite irtie of the H use.—(Cheers, and hear, hear.)
aLta“ AWES said he did not hear the question put ; that
• war-anse of the silence on their side of the House.
tittlitles
_ELLICE had not heard the question read.
thelleits'euUNCOMßE said it was of no importance whether
se divided on the first or the second resolution; for, as
Ihl4 ci; non. Baronet said, the discussion might best come
Pitnittee. He (Mr. Duncombe) hoped, however,
% life, Green would speak a little louder in future.
eethe ,seq--)SEY had distinctly heard the question put out-
reen door.—( Laughter, and-hear, hear.)
L,dit S
uetter SMITH thought the persons out side the House
than those withm.—(Laughter.) He did not
tii:sislt resolutionb, read.
Fenhese` LEL admitted that it would be unfair to assume
eadt, 'olutien had passed, after the discussion that had
4",el,llelre islet --(Hear, hear.) However, he must remind the.
ti f ,the resolution was very well known, having been in
tect'aper about three weeks.—( Hear, hear.) He also
%O ken
aCe t,hairman had reall it in a most audible man-
ilsOedrillete eweaer, after what had been said by Honourable
l'steen l,posite,
vier must allow that the resolution
throtigh inadvertence, still it had passed—
,e'r, and hear, hear)—and he was sure Hon. Gentlemen,
a•Viet!' e that it would be most -dangerous to renew a discus-
ksa 111;t4ti.044ZeS0lution alter it had passed.
•He did not mean to
advantage produced by an accidental acquiescence,
"ttsitn , 4' sit trteht it would be better that the debate should take
itlesitiurts 'e report than on the second resolution.
sk H UMPHREY admitted that he heard the reso•
litti-stiertit'a-s'eet,lY put, but he believed it was not heard by Hon.
.4s, if to cause' they were concocting something at the
„'iss' the r• ist,ear, and laughter. )
vto. t'ICE
areal •14 f, thought it was most-desirable they should show
lu fleet
the energies and- resources of the country were
't.Seststse•Ne, the emergencies that might arise ; this was not
'ary the honour of the country, but would obi-
s) %•, tsl ochereis,
,tke• „e the best policy. Recollecting the manner
"'Pee the osal of the Right Hon. Baronet was
tan as rt'e'l,this-sid°eP of the House, and the silence with which
't he'ved by Hon. Gentlemen on the opposite side, he
of tci`i th'te-'Prised at the almost universal opposition with which
lositio late erred. The opposition it received from Members
overnment was erfectly consistent, if the pro-
it'llietiasWhether they should adopt the proposal of the
ci,,'"et ,34r Oct opposite, or the plan brought forward by
eta ? They proposed at once to reduce the
.ai
kfist ss „the people aT d to increase the revenue,
'•741 he'"us"ht was preferable to the present plan.
',ter ar• ) He . had always been in favour of
114 ut. tit 'sari
in treference to any increase of the burdens
ttili 'Y I .
'idl' e ,h an Increased tax on articles of consumption,
314"ht4, "1 I offer no opposition to the plan of the Right
the 't. He felt very strongly the great injustice of
h .1'; aisetithe sante amount of taxation on fluctuating incomes
from real property, but heshould be ready
hi,tod artr,e sad consideration to the proposition of the Rieht
e: t a arid should throw no obstacle in the way of the
4o:, hit it, Ai. tii, Clstßill.
• tte7aie,R"t s-'ON explained, referring to the declaration of
.1•
lliAit,Atticie Haronet opposite, that he would allow of no
sa IsF,l,trhe plan.
estae:sferr rf'is raid he had never stated anything of the
reitte,'Le- to by the Hon. ]t
He thought the
4:°,,tet:tatl it t_ort income. He took the principle of the tax
' NI test the last and former Act. He had intended to
,theitteLtil let hitpstneome, and he was not in the slightest degree
.tfaelit• se,ul lief that the tax ought to be imposed, and he
tle 4'lo „ttk'y „d he a very dangerous precedent to break down
anlwitti wee:", an instrument that might become necesary in
`rte" th, °Y making the distinction referred to by Gen •
t:'ther side. He adhered to his opinion, but he
est Press that no altentions whatever should be