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London, England, 1816-05-25 00:00:00

ACiltict L'rtictE.

On Mr. V. ricwis' Motion, the House went
into7a Committee 09 Agrienitore.
Mr. F. tiIMIS Stated 1115' itttelltioll to 1119VC, that
the consideration of the first resolution sohtnitted
to the Committee he postponed, on account of
the tame Of health of his Hon. Friend', the Mem,•
bri for Essex (Mr. Western), which did not per—
•niit hint to attend the House. He should seize
this opportunity of !uniting a few observations on
the proceedings of the Commitlees. Sitting above
Oaks.' They had come, to only .two reiolutions,,
and their opinions were rather of a negative na.
tore. 'The first was, that the doty• on rape.see'd
..-inntl4l be materially increased. The other was of
a ditferent kind, and he hoped the noose would
act upim it this Sesshin : it went to remove the
clinics ou the importation of rape-seed mid rape-
seed cakes, which amounted to 34 shillings per
tun on a quality that sold at 41. ,I'os. per ton. He
concluded by waving the postponement 'of the
first resolution.

.:ltir. Littpuottatt wished the penalties on the
growth of tobacco should hq removed. as' they
were merely for the .benefit of the foreign culti-
vators of .that article in Maryland and Virginia,
to the prejudice of Knglith and Irish farmers, It
would preferable, to permit, the growt.h. of to.
baceo,,,and lay a duty on lim n ae.grow tobacco, as
on home.grown barley. From. such a nicastire
the revenue wouldrather,gain than lose.
Mr. PausTot4 denied the reports tv);1411 b.ad been.
circulated,. that there was a superOuntlance of
corn in the country, 'and litmented the dcprecia-
thin of the agricnitnral interest.'
Lord CASTLRHEAGII/ understood that the inten-
tion of the Htinontable Gentletnitn.,ovposite (Mr.
F. fiewis),..virto to postpone the resolution relative
to Wool, and therefore suggested the propriety of
the Hon. Member's (Mr. Preston) not introduc-
inOhe di-eussiou of tri; Corn question to-night.
Me. PRI.I.STON eicpretsetl his t-valinss to abstain
from entering 'you that part of thie subject now,
tn. co inpliance with the vvish of the House.
'Mr. F. Lewisjotendett to move the postpone-
ment of the first resolution, not to set the question
at rest, hOt merely that it, shoulikhe suspendeil
his Honourable FrieH's health would aEoiv him
to attend. •

The question was put and agreed to.
Mr—F. LEWIS then said, that he. had already
proposed a resolution to allow 'the free Vtporta-
'ion of Wool. xt had, excited much interest, and
the measure had been referred to the considera-
tion of a Committee up stairs, to, inquire into the
subject Although partly foiled iu their efforts,
they had :procured bqflitiyot informatiOn to in-
duce him to make an alteraion in the me4sure
proposed. It was then, a general, it should now
tie a modified resolution that lie should offer,
and to this effect that the Exportation of
Wool front Great Britain and Ireland he: permitted,
butt under regulations that should afford protec-
tion to-the ',ohm manotatittirer." He then took
a view of the present- laws respecting Wool, and
contended,that they were founded on a short view
of the tinestion. He then stated, that the m
whidi had' fake!, place in lite price of 'grain and
cattle, had not been aceompauied hy.a: similar rise.
in that or Wool, on accomit of the existing pro-
hibition.- The price of English Woui st this

•• ft moment eow t e tlverage ra-ice of 'on in otirr
countries of Europe. In 13;-19 English Wool soh!
for 30 shillings a ton, and wheat was at 45. Per,
quarter. The prohibition of the exportation
wool was not perfect till 1660, and the effects 0;
that measure were described in an able tract pal, •
lisped in 1677, under dig title of " Reasons
a limited exportation of Wool." Amongst othe
•
facts, the writer stated the following :—` be •
what great hiss our pour con7ltry has experienced.
Rotnney Marsh alone contained 122,000 sheep.,
which when shorn produced 1760 packs of .wool,'
which were formerly sold at W. each pack. • lige
now foUr or live years' produce reinnins on hawl,
and wool is sold at 4d. or sd. per lb.", This prie,
heel scarcely been altered since that time. Down
to 1780, the pric'e:of long wool, Which was the
prniltice of Romney Marsh, 541 fur only 4c,
per lb. Ever since our prohibitoity bites, the price of
wool had been higher in foreign parts than iu Eng- •
land. lu 1739, English wool sold for 611, per
and in France for 10d. A
__ccording to Mr. Arthur
Young's Travels, when wool was sold for !)(1. in
England, its price in France was 14.1. per Ili.;
and at the end of the American war, the, same
qiumtity of wool itYltich was sold for 51. in England,would [lave cost 2dl. at Ant•terilani. .The main
prop on which our market rested was the sole
trade of export. The Hon. Gentleman argued.
it considerable length, to skew that there Was no
duty so productive as that on our raw silk and,
titter many remarks on the necessity of proteciii'g
the woollen trade, lie moveil that it be expedient
to allow the exportation of wool from Great*;
tain and Ireland, under such regulations as
protect the home manufacturer.
Lord LASCELLES denied that the woollen. tits
nufacturers were on the decline, and esserteq thoe;
there was no accumulation of kt MA on. 110'1, lie
contended that no benefit would be derived from
putting a duty on exports.
Lord MILTON was of opinion that to
alter the
system wmild be attended with danger to corn'
Franee pet mit t eft the export ot wo"I,
was enabled to ondeisell England iOlitie
goods. The Noble Lord aigoed on these grounds
at considerable length, as we torderstood, ar_•fai""
the motion, denying. OA the prosperity of the
woollen manufactures festeil on the repeal of thesg
laws.

TlleitC.

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Lord CAgTI.F.I!F.,%G sr ;;bested the dere: ring of
the questien till u future period. and
,moved 1113
the resolutions biz postponed, on the ground tln
under all the eimunstattees, it was not expedient
to. nuke any alteration in the la..vs at present.
A long conversation ensued, in which 31r.
Brand, Lord, Castlereagh, Lord ,Milton, Lard
LaScelles, and &Ir. Baring, participated, which
was interrypted by Mr.:lit:roes', who reminded
the Rouse, that an understanding had been come
to that the motion of, which lie had given notice
should ctune on early in the evening. Some dif-
ference of opinion existed as to the mode in
the subject' then wider consideration should be
disposed of. In the end the amendment ‘Fils
withdrawn and the motion negatived.
On the motion of Mr.F.Lrwts, it wa's o,derm
that the House should again resolve itself into a
Connnittec on that day week.

LIST.
Mr, tionornN luotogist up the lim)ort of 0.10.
Civil. List

Titirtz,;cv wished to call the attention.of.,
the:House to the .1111 now, before them ; .010,
doing this, as he had already spoke Olt the sell'
ject'so often, it would ill become him to take 01)
much of their time on the present occasion. ll°,
took a rapid view of the provisions of the Bill no‘ir
brought in to remedy those inconVenienees which
hail arisen out of the excess of the Civil Lkt toe
some years,past, which had rendered frequel!t
peals, to roliatnetit necessary: The f,,thre
pennure of theCisil List was estimated by
self-constitisted Committee, which had, reported
on the subject, at 1,339,0001. and of this sno
255,0001. was to be made good by Parliament, as
it wai found necessary to receive the Civil Li"
revenue from charges to that a mown. N. before
such a Bill passed, he thoitOit th! Ilott,e ought
either to,pare down the Cis it List as 1111/Cli as pos-
sible, or to provide that those funds which were.
solely ,at the 'command of the Crown should be
applied to meet arty future excess that might
occur. On the first suggestion he woidd not en-
large. now, as he co* say no more than lie hail
said on the subject,.and the House seemed deter-
mined to shot its eyes to the tansies which might
prevail' in that branch 111 the public expenditure;
but oo the second he, thought it his duty to sub-
mit tti them a motion. The great object of this
Bill was. to, simplify the Civil Lit revenues and
expemlitare ; that was, to throw its revenues out
of consideration, and to call upon Parliament to
meet any excess of expenditure. An Officer roc'
was Created, on whose exertions Ministers relied
much, who was to have a cow-rota over all under
the Lord Chamberlain, the Lord S;eward, and the
-i'.lster of the Horse. He did not know who was
to have this but this be knew, and the 10-
he >, used knOw it, the poison tilling it was to te"
Leiv,e ito in;:oine tit 15001. per annum for his
trouble, and ills salary WitfLin he given, in the
present cilTailuStances ut . the country, to en oth-
cer, for doing that tor which manv—many
already paid. Under the three great officers MI
had mentioncfl, three persons were employed,
M. Mash, Air. Brent, and Mr. Parker, %vh"
were able to do all that 'rosiness which it ‘Ol4 •
propOs,ll to turn obey to this new. Gentleman.--
From thi3 ititras clear that the situations of thus'
Gentlemen were to become sinecures, or time ocw"
office was to be one. He wished to know how.
the new officer was to he paid I If be were cm' ,
played in addition tot he three Gentlemen he had,
just named, and there seas no more business to he
done by the (Our than ought to have been perforot-,
ed by the three, 5001. taken from the salaries Or
those Gentlemen wooltliipt make up the 15041;
the new Geutleman was to receive. To this art'
rangement be did not see that any objection cooltk.
in fairnes4 be urged. lie hOped the House woola
notrelieVe the Great Officers of the liousehoin!
Anil not only theist, Fart d
their Secretaries an
Clerks also, from the duties attached to their 61"
withoul providing that tile new Gentle'
mat, should he remunerated by anise whose duties
be Was to perform. This new Officer was, h"%v."
ever, to pOSSeSS pnli•el's it hic)a the other (jentle'
taco had not ; and be PIG 'l'.) supposed Mimi"

ers wished for suet .an appointment, as they
tiniuu hey tberaselve.s had t o controul. (wer the
principal Wilco-3 of the 1-10useliold. ilow lung
Ihe poWer 'ot the .tiew .oflicer wOnhl last he
;knew not, lintliesopposed he ujotthl suon„ only
h.e known to the House by his. nouns! applica-
"ou for MO. and that mutters would go on as
before.. He did not like these new inOdellings

of the Civil List, Ile wished the Crown to 6e
supported with all suitable sPlettllonr, but what-.
ever stun was allotied .to it ought to be made to
19ffice. The Crown ought 'to live, within the
~'come assigned to it, and ought not, without
Stine Very potent reasons, to call On Parliament
for extra aids; and in no else till after those funds,
:exclusively its Own, had been exhausted. He
now clone Co the wain propositiOn which he had to
"bmit to the House. lhi object Was to persuade
,the House not to agree to make any provision for
fature excesses on the Civil List, till all the means
bclonging exclusively to the Crown should be-
come exhausted. If, for instance, there should
be an excess On the expenditure of one hundred
thousand pounds, while there was the stint of
100,0001. at 'the-tot-Oman(' of the Sovereign, in

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Admiralty Droits,
,he would not consent that one
shilling should be advanced from Parliament, tiil
the fend just referred to hail, been applied to the
service of the Civil List. He.,Meaut utterly to
deny the Crown the right ofappitaling tO the li-
berality of Pat!lament. to discharge Memo-
brances till it bid availed itself of mall its oWnas,-
sets (if {semi& be allowed the expression) for that ,
purpose, so far as they Nvoultl go. He supnosed
ho
should be told he ought not to repine at the Oroils
ot Admiralty being left at the disposal of` the
Crown, as the first use made of them would be
to: apply them to the service of the Civil List.—
Ile •isould be glad to hear this assertion from ;lie
Noble Lord, though he should out be satisfied
with it, for he must ever contend this was that
Avhich should not be left to the Sovereign, but
ought to be determined by Parliament. If a new
bargain were to be made with the Crown, new
terms might be demanded. The King had under-
taken early in his reign to meet all the expellees'
of the Civil List for the fixed income of 800,0001.
and now, after a number of years had -elapsed, be
found lie could nut do it Why then, it an ap-
peal was matte to Parliament, under such cir-
cumstances, they had a right to make new terms.
if, the fixed income grantee; was nut sufficient, he
might say, " it I grant you more, when you
Cali upon me to assist you with ten pounds which
yoe may want, you shall give me the six or
seven pounds in your own keeping towards mak-
ing ,ap the MU you demand." To shew the
resources of the Crown, he referred to an
tiFtier , issued by the Treasury for the sum of
277,0001. prom 110* it appeared, that in pause-
'pence of the death of a Mr. Troutback, without
heirs, the suns of 80,0001. tell to the Crown. But
.for those excesses which caused the Order referred
tti, it was •probable nothing would have been
beard of this Mr. Trolit hack , or of the eighty
thousand pounds whiell iu conseltience became
the property of the Crown. Nothings would have
been known of this but for the order issued by
thi Lords of the Treasury for selling his Stock.
To pay what remained of the suns he had men-
tioned, 100,0001. had been ordered to be issued
out of the Admiralty Molts. The sum of 270;0001.
bad thus been supplied, and 70001. remained to
be made good. An order for a grant of 20,0001.
net ot the Admiralty DrOits bad recently beets
metle to defray the expences of bonding it private
residence for his Royal Highness the Priuce Re-
gent ; rind 50,0001. bad been taken front the saute
Mimi, not :1416.661)11101m Pavilion at Brighton,
bait for furnishing an additional building. But as.
stirnlttg-60,0001..ftir furniture might be deducted, the
20,0001. issued for time building, and the 70001.
m4,111411;111 Matte up 277,0001. which be had hetore
referred to, left at all events a balance of 27,0001.
tri be made good by somebody. This, however,
was not all. Since he Mid addtessed the House
on this subject, time art:1,111os for time quarter, end-
log April lith, had bream hid before the House.—
..From .this it appeared that to the 27,0001. just
Inebtioned, the satin of 141 POI. was to be added;
the expentlituoe or-the last:quarter hating exceed-
ed by that sum time estitnete of the Noble Lord.
These together left a sum of 168,0001. to be made
good by Parlament. While it was known that
sod, a . thirge would be brought before Parlia-
ment, the Treasury had sa'.ictioned the applica-
tion of sums.fro,: she Admit-ally Draits for nur,-
poses ontoonected with time publieservice,to nearly
111411 the amount. 'They givea for ilbe private
expenditure of the Prince Regent the sum of
.70,0001. which might have been reserved to-
wards toeet ingsthe 168,0001. which remained to be
nut,de goost. The 70,0001. wits :toiled to the bur.
delve of -the public corsrevieilee of that sum
beving.been expended .vhere am ought trot to have
been I.mid unit, and this had been sanctioned by
Ministers, when they knew there Was a deficiency
ot 141,0001. to be laid before she House on the
Civil List Estimate, as compared w: h its eXpen.
rliture in the last quarter. IL,: estimate of the
,Civil List expenditure for the year was 1391)001.
The expenditure in the last quarter, ending April
amounted .to 41.5,0061. It would be seen
runs this, that, taking the last quarter to give the
• ,average of rise four quarters of the 'year, instead
-of an estpuw..nttre of 1,339,0001, we shoiml f have
to meet nne of 1,004,0001. for the service of the
001 List. Excesses, it would be seen,' were
.again in progress, tool these he doubted not would
'continue to accumuhne from -time to thne, as
4ieretofore. The Noble Lind, he expected, would
enaravour to show that the excess now mentioned
',arose from particular eirthitusta flees; but these par.
titular eirentnitances constantly ocourred in every
year. Ne did 'not like Ale estimates sof the Noble
Lord, as lie knew not by whom they had been ex.'
'utilised. tut be found the new Gentleman who
'was to be appointed to controls% the Civil List,
\vas to have powers to send for " persons, papers,
'and records f" isthich powers had several times
;been refused to Committees of that House. lk
21101 no doubt the powers in question were to
lie given to the new Officer, because Ministers
found u,Recessary that such -should be entrusted
t soilotod
y If they were of this opinion,
let souse 05 'dime Gstutkiugn who had agar'-
miserly opposed Isis Motions for giving those
lioxcers to Committees, snake out' a case to
;11CW why, as they were given to somebody,

thAt.lit).lse VCR,. to be excluded from 4line some-
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lidies., In. an answer to bin, cnr. T.). it, hril
bee,' nrftcd that the dignity or thq Crown vouill
not brook the inquily he had ,reedinineudeu, ,but
now it should .seen, eon! be endul.td, when
new or,vr=-41 (kUttlem,lo-
,)v.. of ti,e Michel),
(for so he snould he 'caned) .as appointed.. He
reinemb,.7,-ul. the elafter 'foroncrly _made about, a
pronqsitb 0. originated hy "201.4- Burke, who had
been said to have tkttacke,; the
'rise same thing was now: lbont to be done ; for
this new Gentlempn, wynild have power to examine
the King's Tnrnsp'ir if hst , pleased nit twitters
touching the Civil The Bin which had been
brought in was by no means satisfactory to ;
but nevertheless he wished. to melts the best of

it4 and would therefore move au atnendmeot to
one of its clauses. He then flayed,. to one: pf
the clauses of the Bill, which sets forth that the
ordinary revenues of the Civil List have been fpr
many years iliadiltiate to the charges on it, and
declares it expedient to equalhe them, an fittleutP.
ment; iu substance providing, that no ,pilditiboal
grant should be made in aid of it for the time to
come, till it we's shewn that the fends exclusively
at the disposal, pf the Crown were exhausted.
Lord CASTLEARAGIt thought nothing more ens
tellable in argement,;than the assumption that .the
'Growl' ought to be able to meet an miliMited
peinliture with a fixed, incoine. ht, was enough to
call the attention of the. House to the fact, that
the occerrenees of the War, and our,copnections
with the Continent, bad caused in ode Steer suelt
fluctuations, as had raised the expenditore of one
department of the Civil List from ,tt^oo,oool. to
400,0001. How could a Rallied income 'he made
010 to such changes, unless the Crown ,were at
some periods notch richer
,then:it .need to, be ?
The appointment of the new officer he stated to
haye been recommended in the strongest inaimer
4:the Committee appointed to investigate the
business.,, They had }fives) it. as their solemn
and 'deliberate opinion, that nothing could so
effectually remedy the evil complained or, as -an
early audit of fife Civil Li3t accounts, and they
knew of
,flit, mode in which ;this could so well
he accomplished. as ,by the appointment of a
new officer. The Right Honourable Gentleman'
thought fit to assume that this Officer would cost
the country a large sum, and that no benefit would
be derived from his appointaent. He (Lord Cas-
tlereagh) had to state,t,yil-a foundation hid been
laid fur an economical arranitethent connected with
the new appointment, which he trusted would be
satisfactory, to the Hotse. It .was intvtitled to
mate it gradital reduction in thOse offices of the
Household, that could conveniently be put an end
to. His Royal Highness the,Prince RegeUt had
been pleased to direct that 12 offices in the de-
partmeet of the Lord Chamberlain should not be
filled up when they again fell vacant, and a stint-
lar intimation had been given with respect to the
Lord Steward's department. A saving %void thus
be effected of 3,0001. or 4,0001. In the. one, and
of 5,0001. or 6,0001. in the others, and not less
than 60 offices in the two'might be
considered to
1114%'e been suppressed. .The Right Hoe. Gentle-
man bad been, pleased to consider the estimate he
(Lord Cestlereagli) had. brought forward to have
been falsified by the account of the expenditure of
the Civil List in the last quarter. '1 he excess in
that quarter, he' contended, did not justify sleek
an. ietereuce. It arose front particular 'circum-
stinees connected with the winding np ot the war,
which were not likely to again occur, and did not
prove, or even maks it probable, that the estimate
had been founded in error, He thought the course
which the Right Hoe. Gentleman wished to be
taken with respect to the Civil List, would place
tile Crown less 'under the cOntroul of Parliament
than it Won't! he placed by the Bill which he had
introduced. The Right Hon. Gentleman had con-
tended that the House had a right to make new.
terms with the Crown, as a new bargain was
about to be made with it. The House, however,
ought not '0 do that which would interfere with
the business of the EiecutiveGovernment. The
Crown, under the Prize Act, always tnok 'upon
itself, hi conjoint operations, to decide on the
grants in be made to captors, and the whole of
this part of the public: WiltilieSS must necessarily
stand still lithe Hotise should adopt ihe proposi-
tion of the'Right lion. Cieot. He was sure it could
not be the wish of the House to do this. I o saying
thissitedidnot meant° srgee that the Droitstshould
not be made instrumental to- bear the expences of
this department of the public service 1111 it hind' hi-
therto done. The present was not efpiestitin of
principle, hot of execution and' provision. He
thought the filen of the 'light Hots.
Aveut to .give the Crown a power over the public
purse. WhiCli lie (Lord Castlereagh) conitinever
consent should be given. The Bill brought in did
not give the Sovereign any undue power. If any
%Willie application should be made to Parliament
tinder it, that House would always have the re-
medy in its own hands, and ' need nut grant a
single shilling if a satisfactory case were not made
out. It had been in contemplation -to grant a
suet on account, but this Ministers would not
call for, but upon estimate, and upon their re-
sponsibility. Upon time whole this WOlll4l
give the House a greater practical oontronl over
the Civil List than U had heretofore possessed.
The casual revel-sues of the Crown would come
inure frequently under the jealous eye of Parlia-
ment than they had ever done before, and foe
the whole of the 255,0001. of which it was
now proposed to the Civil List, Ministers would
be obliged to come to Parliament wit's their
Estimatei, when any thing that the Home might
think unnecessary could be witbdraWn, and
fur these they would he as responoible as for
any other grant they might demand. The his-
, tory of time Droioi lie would *Heinlein, furnish.
' eti mulling that could juttify that jealousy and
those reptoaches which the Right Hon. Gentlemen
was of upiimiuu it ought to call lerth. lu proof
of this assertion lie would state in what way the
DroitS had heed diseosed ot, sloce the accession
,of his Majesty to aren't-011e, deducting front the
account the sums -paid to captors, which ha was
satisfied the Hattie would pee with him, ought
strut to be 44Veti iii 41uestlutt. Out of the reeidoe,
in the disposal of which any abuse that had taken
place (if there had been any) must have occurred.
There had been extended,
,91 the PO
lour Civil pot purposes..
F
lit this last mast there bad beta granted W the

ign'or .I)rAncles. V3Mily .191,0001.
Awl which sum above 1.00,000 i. h,id bcen grant"
vq.wisile that Administrutinn _was in .powvr.,, Uf
iyhiph the ',tight 'lnn. Glentletnan wai.a Niember„
tboncit: he (Lon! -castleretjgit) did, not bring,thii
forwnrti beiny.at all, discretlitoble to that Go-

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,rernmen7.:. lie.obleeteti to the plan of Abe fit, ght
.I-Imourable Gentleman as tending to transfer the

exercise of the fone(ions of the,Sovereigu,to that

,House, by which the whole coitrse of,oprjuris-
prudence
.pontiected with the Adinitalty,.Thoits
must..., be pnralyed. defended the, expellees
incurred ti fitting op a resi.clence far tile Prince*Re-
gent at Brighton,. and declared,' hadttllis no.t
n moth larger sum must, have been expended
fitting upsotne oftheptiblicpalaces fur his recep-
tign!.. Itoyal highness he st flied tohave expend-
ed lage slims out of, the i/rivy Purses, to prepare
,for himself a suitable residence, which, had he
not Anne, most I,lave been provided for him at the
expence of the pnblie,, anti he believed his Royal
,Highness ttie only individual in Carope, in
so eitalted'a'aratfon;,wlm lived tylien 41 the coati,

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try in a boast of his own. ;(A laugh.) The
,Noble
/ford briefly recapitulated the substance of ,his
principal arguments. against, the motion of tbe
IU-0a Hon. Gentleman, and contended the House
world have a. greater ,jurlsdietion over the Civil
List, 'under the 11i11, as it•at.Present stood, than
it would have if the amendment were:tulopted.--;-,
If, according to the advice of the, Right Hqn.
gentleman, the House had proceeded to new-
model. the revenue of, .tht Crown, end to Osave
*giveu it 1,300,0001. a year. in .the
hove been absolutely impracticable. withont de-
ranging the whole of that part of the constitution.
13itt as to th'ptinciple of the Right HOrt. I.3entle-
-1111.11, on which Ire professed to ground kis amend,.
meat, he could not, bat agree to. it :.hut farther
then the mere admission of the principle he conld!
not go*. ,He would therefore, upon the whole,
give his negative to the aMendment. , •
Mr.Ttettt4s4t said he never proposed to talte out
of the Gt own the whole management of the Droits
of. the Admiralty, All the part 'of file Droits
which he wished to be applied to the public ser-
vice
,was what should remain after satisfying the
necettnitir private expence of Crota u.
Mr. PONSONBY was very much surprisechhat
the Noble Lord should have been so far mistaken
as to take Ilium himself to say,' that the proposal
of his Right Hon. Friend would go to arrest the
march (as Atte • Noble Lord expressed it) of the
system of political jurisprudence of the country.—
The Noble Lord Ares ,pleased to Tiring forward
opiniona.which be imputed .to his Right Hon.
tiend, slid then attempted to prove that those
opinions were erroneous. But he would ask what
the Opinion of his Right Honourable Friend had
to do with the question before the. House. The
Simple question was, whether the House should de-
terhilhe 'nuke the Civil List 61 present of 220,00U1.'
and throw the burden of that sum on the publie---
This wt's the whole question, this was the nitut ob-
itct.ofthe.l44ll now before the !louse. Not with-
standing all the explanations of the Noble Lord,
and all the documents to which he had referred to
explain the way in which the ditteren't sums had
been expended, he was convinced that there WAS
much improptiety in the expenditure of a great.
,past of thy- money. The whole object •ot his'
Right Hon. Friend's motion was to get the eon-
trout of the money into the hands of Parliament,
and as the Noble Lord bad said, that he agreed in

the principle, he wished the Noble Lard would
frame the motion in any way according to this
principle, and they woul►i,rea►lily agree to it. It
was quite monstrous to th►nk whit sums had been
granted in aid of the CI% il List. Tiiis was a goes-
lion. Which _above all affected the honour and nue.
grihy of the House:in the eyes of the people. if
ever there was a ;salon that required relief, it was
the. United gingdoM. Was this then a time-for
the Representatives_ of that peopte,•.fur the pnr-
pose of gratifying the Crown or the Nlittisters, to
saddle the people when there was a means of pro-
viding for the wants of tho Crown otherwise
And if the House was persuaded to vote for such
as arrangement as OM proposed by the Noble
Lord, they would do more to disgr►ce themselves
in the eyes of the nation than they could do in

any onset way.
HusKlSsoN'said, that the Right Hon. (len-
ticular' had Made nut no cue to the House in anp,
port of his amendment,. for, he said not one Word
that went to prove, that it would be better not to,
leave the disetet:ou respecting the sums in -qties-::
tion in the Crown. Unless the Right lion. Gene
tlernan was prepared to argue, that the House of.
Commune had given upall its functions, .by grant-
ing in!niey without inquiry or examination, the
-ground which he had taken up hi Ids argument
was quite untenable. M to the amount of the
sums granted to the CiNil,List, the question was,
whether any thinghad been unnecessarily granted
—had not. even the tradesineWs, bills seen Itud
before the Uouse /."-(flear, hear would
wise to call the attention of the House to what
the expences in the fourth and titth classes of the
I Civil List bad been in: the year ending sth July,
1163. In the fouilb class the amount 111 thin year
was '276;0041. , whereat the expellee o>a the same
dos, this year, was only 234,0001. - The average
of..the 'mount for the same class, for the eight
years following 1753, was 234,7521. per annum.
The atittiunt Of the sth class tot the eight years
following 1753 was 110,0001, per,tinnum, whereas
now it was proposed :to,fix it tit 125.0001:a.year:
During the last year of the reign of his late Ma-
jesty, the anioant of tbeA.xpeitce of the 4th class
was 2.2.5.0001, and. of the 6th clan 106,0004.
(Hear, hear, hear !) Yet these. being the facti„
the Hon. Gentlemen :opposite endeavOtired to
create a most unfounded impression that thee*,
-pante* of the Crown had increased, when the
fact was that there was a diminution. tHear,
bear 1) The arguments of the Mu. Gentlemen
opposite were equally unfounded, as applied, to
the AMOutit of s-unntrequirett to rpm the epettees
of foreign Embassies. On the whole, therefore,
he should most decidedly vote against the Amend.

meat.
Sir P. Ilttantrr said, it was impossible to fol..
low. the Right Hon. (ieniletstati in. tlie details
which be had introduced respecting foimer times,
units% the House were minutely netittaiiiteti ec ith
all the partieithir eireninstanets of those times»
As to all ;list hall -tofu huid about eeditorriy., sio•
tbittt- further 'than this aced be saki that the result

had altrais been (resit demands upon the people.
The droits of the Admiralty he thought were %try
much Ausett; he nieant the right ustu.med by the
t;rovro to,seize the property of feign mid friend-
ly merchants %yip have been shut out of the
Liugdo.m, during pciee, by a most imconstitutionitt
proceeding whiclk.was quite contrary to Magna
Chatia— M to the Amendment, he thought its
,Only.fault, wAs that it was too moderate; how-
ever, be woulcl,vote In favour of it.

Mr. ,Husatsion and Sir F. BURDETT mutually
explained.-
Air. C. LONG ,was very much surinised at the
nature, e 4 they ameniment moved by his Right
Hon. Friend opposite, .It bad often been s tor-
tone to have conversations Wicli him on the subject
of the Civil List, and certainly they generally dif-
fered very mneh . in their sentiments with respect
to,.it. ~But if there waCany One principle with !T-
-weet to it ob.:which they %reek it certainly was
on the principle of; the present Bill. indeed the
enactmepis of the Bill now before the House pro-
vided exactly for . the arrangements . which the
.Right. Hon. Gentleman,,Wisted to be adopted. He
was, therefore very. much at. aloss.t a know front
what.motive.the Right Hon. Gentleman oppond.
the 13111, unless, it was from a spirit of oppositio.t
so inveterate that .aft soon as the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman fonmk,those.sentiments adopted which he
himself at ,pire, tinie approved;
,he' immediately
abandoned Om, and thought it necessary that. he
should -oppose the measures of Ministers at all
events.,; .The Amendment he thought hail been by
t►n'nleans,supportetl by argument, and wasitioite
unnecessary, as .by the Bill the controul Of ear,.
!lament. over the funa' in question was complete.
Sir -F.,150 noRT2. explained.
After a few words against the Amendment front
Mr. STPEUE* BOURNE, and a short explanatitoi
from, Mr. TIERNEY, the House divided on the
Amendnient•
11C
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Noes .. . .... • ' %.30
Majority in revalue' the Dill
The Report: -was then agreed to, and the Bill
ordered to•be read rs third time.

The Report of the Parish Bill %s as brought up
Up and agreed to.
The Cif ANCEI.L4R:of the Excit itaUtiß postponed
the Committee on the Agricultural Hurscs L iil 4tl
Th u rstla y
Lord Mil'ioN said, that he understood the
exemptions on aceonnt of chihlren, matte under
the assessed taXta Were to be taken away by a WU
which was to be brought into the House. Flo
wished 19 know whether this was the ease, tot
persons won't! their find,tfiemselvei obliged to pay,
mire that! when the rropertY exiSted• •
The CiIANCELLOR of the ExcnEtautitt that
it was perfeetlytrue that there was welanse iii tbitt
Bill on assessed taxes, to. repeal the exactions
mute whets the: Property Titic wits paid 3 but perr
sonswottlii then only be pin on the same f 00064
us helot e my Property-rto, was laid.
The Report of the Jail. Lees Abolition Bill was
reevived, anti the Bill ordered to be read a tbila
time on Nionday next.
The Porter Colouring Bill Was read. a second
time, and ordered to becomniitted on :\looday.

The Honce.having resolred Ascii into a COta
enitree of Supply,
The CIIANCELLOR 'Of the Eltcneatita moved,
that the sum:of sbc be,grairted to bis M-
ajesty for Exchequer Bills.
MN FITZGRALD Moved, flint n SUM of
22;1001, he eianten for the Royal Conti in ire.
hind. The Resolio,ons were agreed to. Report
on Monday. The House then went into a Com-
mittee of Ways and heath.
Mr, LUSHINGTON moved the usual Resolution,
respecting Lotteries,
'the Resolution was agreed to, and the Report
ordered to he reeriVed on Monday.
The Farming Stock Bill went through a Com.
mittte: Report on Mondiy.
The House Went into a Committee on the Salt
Acts, when Mr. -Lustitturrow proposed several.
Resolutions, which were agreed to. Report on."
Monday.
,The House- went into a' Committee on the Acts
respecting the National Debt. Report on Mon-
day,
The Criminal Lunatics Bill was read a 3(1
Mr. V. FrriouttaLp obtained leave to bring In it
11111 to continue-the ReStrictious on Cash rayments„
AdjOurned at 'Half-Oast One this Morning...

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