The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-03 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

Fiv eh
„ FIOU .SR OF LOIMS, June 2.
o,cligoeßk7 CHANCELLOIL took his seat on the Woolsack
T

THE MAYNOOTH GRANT.
~ I son,
The Earl of HAREWOOD presented 160 petition.
now,
various places in England and Ireland against the 111ay
861. f
Petitions to a similar effect were presented by the BisLioalr;o° i
Cashel, by Lord Denman and Lord Brougham; bY the&blia,
Charleville, from Leeds, Penrith, Antrim, Ballycastle,
Armagh, and a number of other places.
GeTnheeraDl uAkseseomfbllylloCffitilhleocNhloarephreosefnsteetd alanpeit,
Moderator, with the seal of the Assembly attached, againset;
proposed grant. The petitioners considered the inealtu'ialed
in opposition to the spirit of the Reformation,
directly to encourage Popery,
petitions from the presbyters of the Free Church,
slr__aii,
Kincardine, Mr. O'Neill, and the Dissenters of t; uP
against the Bill. ' • s 80°
The Earl of FALMOUTH presented eleven petition
isliise"nedfr.r y the
the grant.
The LORD CH,
The Bishop of EXETERpresented a number 0 P
with a similar prayer. Ills Grace aTsod
rep:reetositetnidotoeedi,
~INiRc.EOL'LI_)ORRISsCtaOteLd
what had transpired in that House, eight days ag°, seeneero
Mr. O'Driscoll. inquiries had been made, and in cons ti
en s
Ireland, the
of that gentleman'sqrecent proceedings, and also in Ireland' the
of some former misconduct in the Rolls Court of .
his duty
Lord Chancellor (Sir E. Sugden) had considered it
to dismiss him from the Commission of the Peace. .
r__„ht p
The Messenger of the House of Commons then
t011.0,"_F•of tb e
several Bills, which %ere ordered to be laid on the table
It''..iat i n COn serqesufenectei
00:
House. titions frout
The Bishop of WINCHESTER presented pe..
__3,-agsiest
petTithioenDs uagkesinots•t
St. John's, in the Isle of Wight, and several other plat'
the grant to Maynooth, of
amber
_, number t!
The Bishop of NORWICH eresented a grea's in lowa
petitions to the same effect, but he read then ame
NthEeWgrCsAaStToLAElapyrneosoetnbt.ed a great n
evir,s,
tone that we could not catch one of them. St. Pss
eti,
Tient awl
and Durham, and Lord Kenyon, Earls kitswi
enth.
p°
The Bisho sof London Chichester, Worcester,
lam presented petitions against the grant to Mitt
the
re Wesler°
'I he Earl of ELDON presented petitions froinit
other Place
congregations of Lincoln's Inn-fields and oevera
against the grant to Me.vriooth. DOL
SMALL DEBTS BILL. f this
Lord BROUGHAM moved the second reading°
,!ii
MAYNOOTH GRANT. , said 0080
The Duke of WELLINGTON then rose and
~,ins to f
was his duty to request the attention of their Lort,t7;otete;
important subject—to explain the principles and toted obrtol
the provisions of the Bill which he. carry it ,eO,
to their Lordships, and entreat them to, ea„ institute,.
execution—namely the maintenance of Wl' Olt 14•10,
That institution was
Billyounded fift recital ago bY th_esionolibs
liament, and that contained a of the prorve,:aieteotoid
Acts by which it was originally founded. It 2890; It ,ci°o36
found, in the year 1800, and suhsequently in I
deny dist 'sr
not be denied—and he did not stand there to
..hieh the got
maltehnotuogfhththesise
lianwcos,nshiseteenocnysiddiedr
Acts were inconsistent with the code of laws by Ireland• los
formation was established in Uat country and and to thee° to
show that, as respected religious p . a whey cc la
had not been complained • the ton
of since
existed th that i
rthiiine re
isephgi °e ou: d tbhheeenses° l else:::
laws had been first enacted, fifty
1800 or in nient• iso le°
1808, to the present Itts•h this ', irs At
clearly to understand the principle on wulft,,, of sue•oes•
founded he should call their attention to the '":. tiOo Was cts'
the Reformation. The necessity for this institeled
of thee.
eti
sinned by the failure of the means for the sit.% heel, the
blished reformed religion. The laws which 's or itiloet
then had been found altogether incompetent'ed to rer'oectit
period he had referred to rebellion had sueeeedre of Pl* fee r
forfeiture of property had succeeded to forfeituentreoff[en of
until this country had become, so to speak, thetjle eles.
years beforein order.
tions of foreign and civil war, in contest for liked t°
its own— e r ifs crweito!e°
The Duke of NEWCASTLE rose to salseis"rotho, ijecti°ll
ask a preliminary question before entering pieftY g
—whether the Noble Duke had received ber „ noletif
for the introduction of this measure ? s most ictjoordel,r;
Lord BROUGHAM said that this wag -teatu°' d by t`•
proceeding. The speech of the Noble Doke to s
It was an interruption which ought not to heonfusio.a.saf del
House.—( Hear, hear, and cheerZ and great e 0000 hoth
The Duke of NEWCASTLE thought tbreder," fru
Crown was necessary.—( Cries of ~ Order, order, r
Lord BROUGHAM again rose, and .21
sides of the House, in the midst of which) .a that het tbei
deo thaod to
would sit in that House anti allow any toansatnnoetinue' ofthe
close,
ew,a.perfectaNnvyas drei
sciacunuidsrseitdionndholuuopbnotnee dc
anyarsig,h to measure'ntoi
yo open, manta
wereil The ls es asrlhte
reerroe
rte!
d that ►
coo° 00
revenues or patrimonial interests of the Crnw (set,% " for t"
The Dukes of WELLINGTON and NEWc`' loud cries
together, but there being unanimous and , either
former, the Duke of Newcastle gave waYs _ (kelt W''' Not
The Duke of WELLINGTON continue _ in the tion;
from his own infirmity, or a want of clearoeasre d
the Sues lied'
Duke who interrupted hi,m, that he bad not hisetion,baleneo
otherwise he should, without the:slightest hes 1 as Moo. a 0
If, however, their Lordships wished, diserdeorfY sr No, 1' not the
on.") He had sail that this meare.,
the interruption, he would—(Leud
crielss carrying °period
After a l'inguerti'•
policy of the Irish Parliament in ,l'''Z'rf lure of 10°, essi'6,
of suecessive wars, rebellions, ane countryelfor the P°-neolo
system had been carried on in that eadiaineet Pall rani
of the Crown—that repealed by Act ('
t of the Sueeifloilre"
codes, and enacted others for the suPP"s introdueed_,,dinotioe
the protection of the reformed religion, a
land by the code of laws adverted to•
of that code till the year 1795 (during' Which Petition lard Oa
formation could not be carried into extensive ex e office
nano
land) there never were wanted ecclesiastics for thbother
.° ries.
Roman Catholic mission in that country, tan setalnivies,
From theertiodlllls. 0
Jrlee:
of the British dominions or advocated in fe,ere,lT lie col: 10,
The forces of the Republic spread into the ua"•°enel itau.ts °`
j beyond the banks of the Rhine, into German)' ",,iislunen- 014
the course of the Revolution, the religious estaomt it
vw: of
France were put down. But still he believed ut educs,t! I
have been possible to have found means tor 'the
e olleP.Oe°
Irish Roman Catholic ecclesiastics in the Cathohedthoso ore
the Continent. But the Ministers of the dal', fd• at t:Oce•re
they consulted in Ireland, did not think it ell". lientlU- to e't
the education of so considerable a body to foreiga_esioufware.
(Hear, hear.) Besides, in the fifteen year, ,14,1!,,,,,
period to which he referred, the power of the Irisuiterw olat
had been increased, and that body had become!!!
,theclrli!
independent Parliament. Considering, also, oar tor, coo
pow had been introduced into the existence I
0 ,
_lode teed
ment by the repeal of the Acts to which he had Oleo', bad 'roe
sidering how much the power of the native papiLlathtl sides tetirs4
augmented, the Government of that day, on .led that 04
water, in England as well as in Ireland, deer
estate 4,
their duty to endeavour to discover the means
...sio Irecs7oo,
native education for the Roman Catholic ecclesiarsti: edit
f'7o6,
rather than to leave them any longer to the for the veat..!d in
which they might have continued to receive after
vt:s lociowour
They, therefore, made the arrangement whichegot W, of
this Bill, being the Act of 1795. That arrangs'differee` ADP'
gested by two successive Lords Lieutenant, 01
__d the
~001
rat political opinions—the late Earl Fitzvvilliam_auteur of :rod
quis of Camden.—(Hear, hear.) The chsari;jeat to tor
ten
men whom he would now name, would be
du triteentli•
this House that they could mean nothing -e 00' irc,
religious establishment of this countrX.,..,sn, the,T,i,
were the late Lord Chief Justice Fitigio Lore afr•
bishop of Cashel, the Earl of Shannon, theeirertoot_f the
Justice of the Common Pleas, Chief Baron ,
.I,,`Darea,vii, the
Speaker Foster, Mr. Woulte, afterwards C.ths'etol ardereeowure
Queen's Bench, and Lord Kilwarden, Who W,`,,,. The 01 to
streets of Dublin in the insurrection of
was then sent to England to that highlY I.ePeretari °Dert'reos'ai
spected nobleman the Duke of Portland, Cauter"rf arilr a`
"7 table f Stale;
and he consulted with the Archbishop of
with wives, niero
presented it to his Sovereign, Geo. la., en aver e 3 injerthe
it was returned to Ireland. So that there li
_oicst , 1 _
sure proposed that offered so much securit,Yie:7, hes,lisroto;
the est ablished religion of this country.—(
envicsiee'tigiereft: 0,
Bill went back with the approbation of head' and,
~A tO
..6
taut Government, with Mr. Pitt at its ,)ropos."eatinty,e
they could not recommend any measure thal!.4 of this 10 thou',
danger the religious establishtnents or 000;1 to beaus
seheat
—( Hear, 'near. ) He had thought it neceuestio, dby 0
observations before going into the generaln.nse, au ease
perceived by the petitions presented to the to the ro!'i7a da_`;.,
;vas passing in public, that the opposition t 001. d, he,fe,
owing to the fear entertained that the measureit ,t)!C;eir.)
gerous to the Established Church, a fee %Rae, (flof'of
happ therefore, was quite illusory—( Cries of ' tiAoce.<oo 0 00
C°U ' sidelltl-0116. -di
and, they might pass it with
A measure to this effect was taken into the el also ein! "aa
Irish Parliament before the Union. It was vaiooala re he
consideration of that House at the period oft fie Otto toile
taken account of in the articles of the Visie_n;ii shoW , fool 4t,
to their Lordships the 7th article, which you!' straefr,bse t,':ie
t le, re ,
rio • bele aoit
the case. The Noble Duke then read an e s ' Iho'
article, to the effect that a sum of money,
ow
odre
co,
which had been granted for a period of s'eYnitoral eeieobj,one
should be applied for the purposes of agri%_harita.u,ioge_,,
factoring improvements, and for religious and uvoited ,A; agelt.',..'
should direct. Now at that time not afford u the ueosed, and
in such a mnntier as the Parliament
sco saiour, of
.101
the measure. Subsequently, in 1808, after dioe,,,ool°_,o,
two countries was completed, the subjee.tse as us pu_er
considerable difference of opinion was inanii
.sni• eelitt,• daiii,;ee
of the grant, but not a word was said aD'. 000 ebieet!';
a word
only .400
ciples being in danger—not The but ll' t the
to the religious establishment.
tyrant, 1 P.- 00
was to the amount of the se rineip,•esie wao ,ne
whatever about the insecurity of religiolloauPs
~oincip pre!' of
Duke of Wellington) said that religivr_ Yore at then_iotne
there, it was safe ever since, and
iditnowa*eait the!..:titationoo'id
moment.--(Hear, hear.)
riesthoo• {or theiatios
their Lordshs to the condiHtioenw°S
the education of the Roman Catholic p
...„,,,ary,,,,,,00,0
be no doubt but that some means we_qrif,:tei,
.101`841, it ''oo.
cation of Roman Catholic priest:, 03f,t,;:06,0 ; M
to 8,..1:0'0,00
at the period of the Union wasde:u
bt increased; be
or
tv
8,261,000, and now it had no sesidered :hat by ohes•
Of this number about 7-801 s were co.'
the presen lii There Ceps,
} ateer 0 Ciati 'Oaa
d were •ed i
lof 'Man rawer ~b broad.
larger proportion of the peop e
„dation t furok t
Catholics. There could be no _oubt w ' Rooie rehgl I r
—( Hear, hear,) This large .
on were ..,,,,atio,os
their education at borne,
teachers, and these, if provicoue,__ their ea ~,, to 00.1
must receive tit eitiont'hougb_o, ttl,
True, the COlififty was in atwithstand it !cite;
_.,,_,_ World,, edu „Doe
it was in 1795, bui, g-
t 1 uw• t. suchthat Pt' ill
were at peace now with toe e'• bii ~. of rees id
his belief, still desirable to
estai,nts - • t...!‘e--ia $0
arrangement in Ireland, that the inhabit.ee unde,
1. lass
of her Majesty's dominions should not is i
rs duea,ed' f th.' 0.,
to the evceing eels r'
call the attention of their Lordships e
of pros'''''- - ple. '-' ~
of sending their ministers abroad to be e
events 0 „4
two years to illustrate the inaportanc ,
the
irish yesoted
on ees
education for the theological teacher, o_l_
,eas loolfe, seekfagoi.
ing the period referred to, ffrent tillirthme'PurP°ic °lnd irelesefe
count of the lnea meetings geld for , , _until a fat t .
rens
They were aware of the exciting
attended
ina,
_re,
30
0000
attended tutet,o well , jog
meetings, and that foreigners
~.._s. It
wile
its, i
syriletron
eeal of the I.7n.7On—existing. hetwe" this ''
de use °. taken ..
that
part in the proce."'"i4
„ivies) tuning,. ena agO7ortv
that meetings bad Lea 110141 in ;Iva chic ,i`sol. 0f:,,0 of
support them by
with the proceedings fur a rue,. .
butione. under
eduoans,_rge
the to' py
money Olitt ,
end upon g0,"13,40g e r
eattiees, could their Lordithips tifP „o did notth
offe,
~ j,;,
ecclesiastics in foreign countries S'
_!`_'...ntriee w'l lied re art t tit
the Government of any of theate rum'ochi.ejs be to}c. Pr.aran•
encourektitient NI led pro .
i ~,d Jugs ,e 9 r. s who ,•-•-•
manifesting any favour towline, hut Ile titled,'.. bY a (tleeril.
~., the verse' ead theirolts
them. Ile believed no such thing, - ' e, abroad•''. in e
ships against the possibility of evil that t. , „_,,stie.
le ere
the ecclesiastics of this country to be ecluelt:o- .
...,,.
~
.ne „„,001,
hear.) 11l adverting to the state of rot' i° b., st '4,hiot
foreign countries, in which education( was B .he ,s. .
flierlamt,f t' .....
clesiastics, in France, Italy, and the N
__.o dgegera_s s_
difficulty to be apprehended in the schisto,',.t' and it WI toe
bited by religious systems in those coolltfl.sl'terhing °i
s° 4,,5j
desirable that ecclesiastics for the theolog ,
people of Ireland should be educated in
le-tnos'. aOM
to bring back with them additional divisions.owe propose edueir•
existed. They (the Government) thereto
in the s rite.
thus.cou,nfhttaraj'.gra.i
proper institution should be established! at Ito.
r'f', f
nsligieu • 0 io
tire, of the ecclesiastics necessary td adis,orsuasio.;►
•
to her Majesty's subjects of the Roman CatholicoP,„ ;eerie'
,o,
!)
Ireland. Le bringing the subject before their L rci," ilisi
~..t.7"
the eiaurG sAe's " !
is had shown the, was notiliag in --- Va - • --- -