Star.
London, England, 1808-02-20 00:00:00

COL DRAT 11-P lEL DS - PRISON.

Mr. SHERIDAN said, that he yesterday had very!'
reluctantly given way to the advice of some of his
friends, in withdrawing a petition which he had
presented. He was convinced, that he would have e
been fortified by the high authority of the Chair, in I
saying, that the door of the House could not be thrown
open too wide to petitioners. They ought not to be
.turned away merely on points of form. If he had
presented a petition from any other description of per-
sons, he would' suppose Calico-Primers, complaining
of hardships affecting their trade, surely it would not
be contended that such a petition ought to be rejected, I
merely because it might be discovered that some of
the persons who signed it had very lately been in the;
business, but were not engaged in it at that moment.'
It would not be said, that the petition would not be
received because these men were described as Cali-o-
Printers instead of late Calico-Printers. It appeared'
to him exactly the same with repect to the present pe-;
titioners, who were Grand Jurymen, and had visieed
the prison in that capacity. He held, however, now ,
in his hand, a petition from the Foreman of that Grand
Jury, and the others described in the manner which had
been suggested. He must state to the House that this I
Foreman visited the prison very unwillingly, and
merely from a sense of his public duty. lie doubted'
whether the petition he preented yesterday was sufH-1
ciently in form, and cn that point he wished for the
deci.ion of the Chair.
The SPEAKER thought the Honourable Gentle-
man would do best to acquiesce in what appeared to i
be ;he sense of the House last night.
Mr. SHERIDAN, then said, that he should ac-1
quicsce, although with reluctance ; but he should
not be so ready to give way to the opinion of his
friends on a. future occasion.
The .petition 'of Alexander, Stevens, Esq. late
Foreman of the Grata Jury, was then brotteht tip and ;
read: Tliesubstatiee of it. was the same as that pre-I
yesterday oft behalf of himself and the Grand'
Jui-"yi" loStated, that the loaves were found deficient
in v,-eight, from an .ounce and a half to two ounces ;
that the weights 'and scales were both false ; and that
persons not convicted 'were shut up in narrow un-
wholesome cells, where no air could come' in except
through the key holes. - It also stated a letter written by
Mr. Sheriff Phillips to Mr. Mainwaring on the subject.
Mr. SHERIDAN moved that the petition should
be laid on the table, and hoped Gentlemen would take
into consideration the report of the year 1800 on the
subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
had no objection to. the petition lying on .the table,
but as to the report of the year 1800, lie still retained
his fernier opinion on that subject. He did not wish
to make captious objections merely,on points ofform;
hut still he would say, that in the case supposed by
the Right Honourable Gentleman, if a number of
persons representing themselves as calico printers,
presenting a petition to the House on a matter affec-
ting their trade, and that it was discovered that they did
not then be-long to that trade, and that their interests
were not affected by the matters stated in their peti-
tion, think it a proper ground for refusing to
receive eleir that they had not given a true
dtscriptioll of themselves. He must, however, say

=• made to him upon the subject, he tion the contrary way ; for '
anion was
another word about the petition. ••When eeprivate quiescence of Anie:ica, wee,
v,pritef.herece to the.
the opportuni
ywaonuslwered
fed,rnitstahtithifitv,h,eithßtiigi!atfol-Irnmotmerra
of laying the case before the Secretary of the Home have of securing thenv,elveo
'banks ccriPuliee'erisn,
Department, his influence should not be wanting to the effect of increateregeag
osotlemani
Noble Friend (Lord Hawkesbury) had since told advantages
'she could
recommend the subject to a speedy examination. His France, and depriving • he..
derive
ct
him, that he had a private communication on the sub- Continent of Europe. It- •
je , and if addressed officially, he would have imme- deterioration of her marl
&lay given the subject every attention. It appeared securing to England • a mom
to him, therefore, that this petition to the House which evould shut our mar'
seemed to imply a backwardness in his Majesty's Mi- • the operation. of an export
This presumption appeared to him to competitlike of' other mar
nisters to the subject, if proper representations were
competition-
and deprive her )
made to them.
be altogether unfair. . it mtiSt not be forgotten ,
Mr. Secretary CANNING also said, that he had have been some time estate
had a private communication on the subject, and he rica, ink' partkubfrly in NI
was sure there was no backwardness either in himself already iri. a very_ flouri,
or any oflitcolleagues to pay the proper attention to sary ecrsjse'quence ofihe..Peopo!
the subject. - then, to excite the jealousy
Mr. MELLISH complained og the letter of Mr. . whose infant manufactories
Sheriff Phillips to Mr. Mainwaring being stated •to Induced to 'claim' the suppon
the House without the answer. Mr. Mainwaring legislature.. Such _a_icattunne
shewed it to the Bench of Magistrates, was by them produeed on her own soil, r
instructed to reply to it, and did reply. • tion; acid eneousagementos
The petition was then ordered to lie on the table. fectioit in hetetriamtfaceiiree,
FRENCH DECREES. • • Wei :-. thaCpTeciAetllOti-An,
Mr. PONSONBY, pursuant to his notice of yester- iil, • enires_ Qf ilifir.: .06 ii p,• tri ,
.e;
day, rose to bring forward a motion, that there be laid '.‘ lierethe.repeal .of such .a
before the House copies or extracts of such Commu- -centiett•thefefoyeethould be
,nications as had been received by his Majestyartsfht- .sete'of temEorarz and
...Ilene
'eters, since the 11th of November last, relative W3iie 44l7aieinianerit ailZinci
increased rigour adopted by the French GovernMent, , :;171 P41...0.4,
rtsel
to enforce their Decree against the commerce—of that f ehooopposition coi
country. His motive for requiring the prodectinerof i iserronsavhbeeitosid sense
such documents, he said, was that as such increesollef#:iikl ' teVy
.quel;
rigour was set out in the preamble'of- the late abetters! `OpiiiKlep 4. Subject.
f
in Council, respecting neutral-vessels, ,as a principal'
.net must a bic it was a mm
ground for the issuing of those Orders, he tkoughrthe the enemy, likely to-be
production of the communications themselves would the only neutral Power
be one of the best grotinds on which to judge of the affected by the Orders in
truth of the allegation, and to shew to the House effectually turn-the policy ,
whether Ministers were warranted, even upon their himself, by checking at oni
own pretence, in the adoption of the measure. Not manuflctures, or enabling
being aware that any objection could be urged by tinue their manufactures
Ministers against the production of those documents, to the revenues of this coi
he should move for them. and in a way, too, that nn
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hid manent advantages tii.tle
no objection to give the communication required by cause it must so load witlr
the Right Honourable Gentleman, if, in place of co- of France and her allies, '
pies and eitracts, he would substitute in his Mo' iion chance of their obtaining .
the word substahce. He believed the notoriety of the of America, or any other country,
fact, that such increased rigour had been adopted by Mrs-PONSONBY waft' to i
France with respect to her Decree, could be no secret Honotrilble Gentleman clearly
to any man in the habit of reading the public news- which, he meant to cerei his pt
papers within the last three months. That was a and whether he twenties) copy.l
source to which all had access ; and which, lie belie- prohibition assevell tie French prods
ved, no man could doubt, upon the various and con- nufactures—to French wineseior '
curring authorities quoted ; namely, correspondence The CH'ANCEL'LOR.' or
and communication from every port on the Continent, answered in the affirmative.
and particularlyfrem Holland, Bremen, and the North Mr. PONSONBY then observed;
of Europe; and communications from merchants and wines were so-much in constiMPtire'
ship Captains coming from those countries to this, orders iii America, as to. be4itni
even to. so remote a period as the 20th of October of life, he.thought nothing-es-colt
last, long antecedent to the issuing of those Orders in perate them against this counteyel
Council, that measures of the utmost rigour were in feel this article of their d,iilre
constant operation, not only in the ports of France by the impoition of 'a
Britiela
and Holland. but in those of every other country to prohibition. He should,fArver,
where the power or influence of France was predomi- ther observations on this subjectnill
nant. Such were the grounds of information upon , nity. • •
..--
which his Majesty's Government has proceeded, and COMMITTEE or SUPPIA.—ExkIt%
the public notoriety of which he conceived fully to The Order of the Day behkee
justify their decision. If, therefore, the Right Hon. solved into a Committee WAY
Gentleman had no objection to adopt the alteration The CHANCELL&%a
he had suggested in the wording of his motion, he I stated to . the ComMittee,' that,
should have no sort of objection to comply. fair pririciele..of
_policy under -
Mr. PONSONBY acceded, and the motion, 'thus obliged to retort as much as posse
amended, passed in the affirmative. I of Europe inimical to it, by measi
AMERICA. f severity, and to render that pi
Mr. PONSONBY gave notice, that he should move as possible to. the resources of
on Monday for copies -of such communications as had pence of our enemies, he had
been received by his Majesty's Ministers, stating the lay an impost upon a comma
acquiescence of the United State: of America, in the nations of the Continent were
rigorous enforcement of the French Decrees. England, namely, Salt. It wa!
COTTON EXPO RTN. without which the people of the
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER exist, and the want of which
gave notice of a motion for Monday, for leave to I That want, he was authosizet
bring in a bill to prohibit the exportation of cotton- I felt to a very great extent by thi
wooland bark from this country. A measure which of Europe, and it had excited
he was well warranted to believe, from the communi- .-other privations resulting from
cations of persons the mos. likely to he well informed tory decrees of the French Ruler,
on the subject, would he more satisfactory to the Go- duty which he meant.to propos'
vernmcnt of America than even anothei bill in its pro. I be observed, fell solely cn our
gress through the House, as well as better calculated 1 of the British manufactures le
to carry into effect the objects of the Orders in Coun- ! overlooked ; nor could they ~
cil, by increasing upon the manufactures of the enemy i amounted to nothing like prohii
and his allies the pressure which he attempted to im- I meant to propose, was only 9d.
pose upon this country. This he proposed to do by { salt exported from this country
imposing a duty of 9d. per pound upon all cotton- I rope, and t3d. per bushel upon
wool to be exported from this country, including not 1 distant countries, our own Col
only cotton the produce of British colonies in the East 1 He did not look to this measure
or West Indies, but all imported from America, or 1 venue so much as of pressure
elsewhere. The necessary. consequence of this regu- 1 enemies. He meant it to eel
lation, as a measure of war, added to the other means ' and the produce, whatever it •
of preventing the supply of cotton to the manufac- War Supplies of the year.
tures of France, and of the countries in its alliance, best calculation he had been
must be not only to increase upon other countries. the estimate at £60,000 per annul
pressure of their own conduct towards this, but to 1 apprehensions might be entert
create a most favourable diversion in favour of the , might create a prefereqee for
manufactories of this country ; and if France and her. manufactories in the South .of
European dependencies must needs have cotton ma- would answer, that the opera'
nufactories, they must be driven to seek a supply from - against those countries, Irmo
the markets of this country, not only at a price which ! from any competition with thi
must preclude them from all chance of competi- ! of the Northern nations, whi
lion with British manufecturers in all other' markets, I sources of consumption. Tie
but oblige them to contribute very considerably to our : of the right of this country to
revenues in support of the war. Besides this, it would i article of her own growth
open to America a medium for the disposal of her I when the impost was ter fall upon
cotton, exempt from all risques of capture under I Sir FRANCIS BARING e"
the restrictions of the Orders in Council ; and without ! which he considered as pecul'
leaving her any ground of jealousy, seeing that we rice, our principal customer 1
placed the produce of our own colonies on ,precisely : the Right Honourable Gent
the same footing. Besides, if the supply of France that there were sources foi the
and her allies was left liable only to risk by capture, it , many of the inland countries
would be evaded by insurance, a great part, or per- tax would stimulate those come
haps the whole of which would be underwritten in this 1 Bahama Islands produced ale,
country, and, consequently, what we gained in one ' if that was not to be tax: I,
way, the country would lose in another. ( supplied to the injury of the
Sir FRANCIS BARING was adverse to the twee! Lord HENRY PETTY, Mr..
tion of British colonial produce in the way proposed, ral GASCOIGNP also signified
and' still mere adverse to placing the cotton of Ame- taxmuch on the same grounds
rica upon the same footing in our own markets, which ! Mr. HUSKISSON said, that
would have the effect of enriching the soil of Ame- jury apprehended, nor any reasona
rica with the fat of our land. Besides, the measure, to a tax on salt, with respect -
so far from conciliating the good opinion and ac- tion ; and as to three-pence

vnt)l4 IrttTe a nO with
double 0. k W,,
r her acceding to the;' reilllce a
oat
he ri.k of capture 1,1
,_, moved
inities-her merchants v". ' itigm•,_ of re
againstelyi A 'cij(ranTtellee' vr:ao°4l4ol .10°'81111...it-1-54.111140n e:
her, as neutral, of aii
vies s
, a
erive from trade w : es* afir
t- would also operate to :ii IPe
.
arket in this country, Die 11
oi
monopoly of her
..
CI
iarket more especially Tbe „, ~, the
art duty, amounting to , OW" up
rof all advantage from 1=.5
tn* 1°
irkets in Europe. ; ~ g
it that cotton manufa.,, • u
stablished in parts of and
,d
New England,
.*lrieh tO I
F.— .
.
trashing
sestmateea.sureT .
old :.
te
he.
...nrersi27pedumnnlt
,proposed
isy and disgust of &leo.
;ries would be imtnetki eal
nr co
Ippon and protection g
' tig
leatty,,3vith the raw ~ ; •
rkail
• e
)111 Migll! .with such ~ .as
~
gai vice
red. fe
~.soqa acquire a-pitch g,.
by 1
it •, would speedily!. • lag : !
AP' 4•A4
ti:. , 41110 k't the ~, ' count
rx,
.w r itinight. hi.'„„„, footheii
ach aii, Nt-!' to restcatt:.... tlO I
d be exercised,-....
•
slreetrtlAx.,,...,
...:m.„
ca • ,rmsch.o4 - • 117.-0.1
rk of ctXclite.lll( . A
. lotus
coming from an It . ~
62g0
nse and extensive L./5 .. ..., •
the. Prll_,
talified him to form a'.-
"1151" :t i..41.1tAt . I the wolthr , 11
"fuse
measure 7of retaliation a 'ga: ~ jow pill
the least objectionabie *. , • b
i whose interests weals h it in• the •
in Councili while it , won the
cY of the French Riders ', itar, as
once the progress of his . ;.•
sidered i ing him and this Allies to ; owed i
:s 6uly :by contributing 1 • otl
country •in support of the ... most mil
must sectire decided avid .•
and Mr
the Britishmanufactura; , The
with. impostt.the manufacnas sag, if
rs, as to preclude all pm* Hamer
fig a preference in the mini hose
li.r conntry_

dy t "the' end( a
litrya.s . ........,,_
3 understand thetilk IC
Priest kulia&i. the sens
.aauce iatiriiiiiii; feritten.
produce.asireach .. Prtm°l
for instance 4. ::: -•-.:• reap a
' the.:ExcHlQtru
r treater
- • - - ..; . ..:, em!t
ierved-, that- aoFfind any
Priori 7itlrthe 4:41* one
dig Most, a .:- •:, aware
Mist tand.moreilist' other,
!rye than •to laakethem t°, a' Pr
ti :I1
reL44x V
till:I leran I
futurePreservet)namounting e n hllo
p his
pa t a .1: : ' , ; " m t4rdce:
. •- • hr. t
t:
tAt-r ncrit ON SALT.
laprcad, the House ..
.;........rien4
-AY irairres- in the Chu
' the 'EN.CHEQU ' ""'"
.. Mr
at in .pur ttianit eic tie
which the- countrj spi 14Pos'
Mr
possible upon the pods the in
measures of retaliating
principle as contributory• Will
non°
f the country, at the er.
. judged it expedient to his Si(
modity with which the . 1 the
re chiefly supplied from me m
.A I
was a necessary of life, satior
tlie Continent could not
a would be severelyfelt. At'
ed to say, was already
the nations in the North
Bi7lll.
d a stronger outcry than
dere,
m the rigorous prehibi, • that ,
uler. Ent in the apart day..
lose, and which, it most
.-.....
;r enemies, the interests
have by no means been
be injured, as the dog 0,-4.
rohibition—the duty he 'o' •
-,
9d. per bushel upon all 1.
y to the Continent of Eot
on all salt exported to Cr
()lonics only excepted.—
are with any view to to .."`
..,•
e on the feelings of o
!ontinue during the war, • 1114
lie
was; to go towards the. s.tt
The amount, upon the tose
able to form, he would 114
arty. He was aware that
rtaincd that this tn4tsute ..
the produce of the salt 'llll
I .Europe ; but to this he )11
ations of war, as directed Si
st totally pr vent. thLm
IN
his country in the suppil
iich were the priacipd
tere could be no dohs al
o lay an impost upon as, la
and produce, especially , ill
upon our enemies.
.G objected to this tat, 4
iliarly vexatious to Ante. 10
fur the article. Besides, • 111,1
ttlernan silo.; i consider,
fie manufacture of salt a r
:.s of Europe, which thir
untries to cultivate. The
lso a vast quantity ; and "
America might then be tl
British manufacturer. f,
. DAVENPORT, and Gene. ;
t their opposition to the a
is with Sir Francis Baring. 1
that there could be noin•
easonable objection nil*
to Continental consuls?
duty on distant espith

men
atinr

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C:

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firer

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story ng:
IC ex- his
not to of
li the
from
tht
f life,
sat
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Pu
r felt.
A
ready
North
than dt
th
:zport d:
must
:ere,ts
been
duty
ty he
on all
ti-
cd to
:ed.—
to re-
f our
war,
ds the
ti the
would
-e that
lc salt
:his he
meted
d.Lm
upply
ncipid
doubt
;on al
s tat, ,
Arne'.
elides, "
asider,
salt 1W
:h this.
!. The
; and
ien be
firer.
Gene,
to the
farm&
no io•
surar
xpJrts•