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.:P4ARGI: OF MURDER.—William Penny, a beer-shop
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' i;PF r, in Bexley-street,`Camber well, was brought before
1--i.,., ~.rraill, charged with the murder of his wifr.
ti 4ipector.Ctirupbell of the P division stated, that the
npeßii,,ip were informed that a man had beaten his wife in
.-t; setich'a brutal manner on the preceding night that she
r-..iei(shoVtlY afterwards. On making inquiries into the
ease it was , found that the prisoner and his wife
•:who I was on the eve of her confinement, had some
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.words together, which led 'to a squabble between
- them ' during which the prisoner gave the unfortunate
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.sAothan.such a. dreadful kick in the lower part of the ab-
Cinen, as to cause such a hrernorrhage that she died in
~,less than ten minutes after the infliction of the injury.
4,,- ;..ftkeprisonec., who appeared to be in great distress of
,i,, ilifild, ntride no defence, and was remanded.

~:131PER1AL PARLIAMENT.
(.THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SrEAKER tc•ok the Chair at Twelve O'OOOE.

BANKRUPTCY BILL.

Mr. BROADLEY presented a petition against the
Pankruptcy Bill, and praying the discussion to be post-
poned till next sesMon,

Mr. LEFROY. presented petition from Ireland

against the Nati.awli System of Education in Ireland.
Mr. STUA-3.17 pret:ented a petition from the wine
merchants of 'Jai metropolis, praying for a reduction of
duty on. curt wine (ai we understo,d).
Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition against the
Curtnty Courts Bill.

IPSWICH ELECTION.
Mr. LFi?ROY gave notice that he should move, on
Monday next, thai a new writ be issued for the borough
of Ipswich.
CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL.
Mr. GREENE brought up the Report c n this Bill.
EXCHEQUER BILLS BILL.
Mr. GREENE brought up the Report on this Bill.
Sir R. INGLLS wished to know when the Report of the
Commission for inquiry into the issue of Exchequer bills
would be .on ',he table ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
'would be
kt the hands of Members on Tuesday next.
. .
COUNTY COURTS BILL.
'Mr. 3.. BLACKBURN wished to know if the Right
13'.tronet intended to proceed with this Bill this
session. - •
'941. J.-GRAHAM said, it certainly was his intention
, .."17proceed with the Bill.
, . " COURT OF CHANCERY OFFICES BILL.
Thii Bill was read a third time and passed.
NEWFOUNDLAND BILL.
`,The House then went into Committee on this Bill.

On clause 6 being proposed, for abolishing the Legis-
Council,

• Mr..O'CONNELL said he would not repeat his argu-
ments against this Bill, but he would still protest against
this mode of ,proceeding with any of the colonies. He
protested against this mode of taking away the consti-
tution of the colonies without full investigation, and a
full opportunity of being heard by witnesses on the part
of the. colonists. Ho should take the opinion of the
Comniittee on the subject. He (Mr. 0 Connell) ob-
jected to the numbers in the Chamber. The people's
right of electing the representatives would be a mere
Mockery—a delusion, and an insult. The Chamber of
Assembly, was to consist of twenty-fire members; of
these ten were to be elected by the Government, and
fifteen by the r4ople ; so, if only three of those repre-
sentatives shr
.uld be returned by the Government party,
they (the (`government) would have a positive majority
la the Cb.amber. 'Could anything be more absurd—more
1-I?:ltiat, or a greater insult to the people, who had always
ieen considered as a loyal and patriotic people ? He
~.,Should move that the words " abolishing the Legislative
`-4Mr.tiliis a distinct branch of the legislature," should be
nrai,tted.
Lord STANLEY agreed with the Right Hon. Gentle-
'Mau that it was not advisable to carry on the legislature
-15 Y means of one Chamber only ; but under the present
circumstances of this colony, where one House constantly
rejected the Bills of the other, he thought it would con-
duce to the more harmonious management of the affairs
of the colony, if they were to merge the two Chambers
Into one. He felt confident it would be for the benefit
of the colony to abolish the Legislative Council as a dis-
tinct Assembly. The Right Hon. Member was not cor-
-reet in supposing that those in the Council who were
!)....orninees of the Crown would be at the control of the
%town. He could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman
`that there were few bodies so difficult to control by the
.‘,
`,r"wn as this, though they held their appointments at
the discretion of the Crown ; and the reason was, that
e.
muneration was not great, and the appointments
zzlefsar from being.sought after. As far as the Crown,
deed be was concerned, the Right Hon. Gentleman
• e tinder no apprehension of the ten members who
were "
appointed by the Government being unduly in-
fluenced.
Mr. V. SMITH said that in giving his vote in favour
of this clause, he did not wish to be understood as in
4tlY way sanctioning. the permanent abolition of the
Legislative Council. The Noble Lord had at his (Mr.
1,, V. Smith's) desire introduced a clause making this a
temporary measure ; it was, in fact, merely an experi-
ment, such as had' been tried in New South Wales and
Australia. Ile (lid not participate in the Conservative
fears of his Right Hon. and Learned Friend, that even
if they abolished the Legislative Assembly in Newfound-
land the same step would follow here, and that we
Oiould proceed to do away with the House of Lords.—
, (1-lear, and laughter). He certainly thought there was:no
ground for any .such' Conservative apprehension. fie
Vould, however, 'beg to suggest that in this clause it
Vould be as well to preserve the number as it already
!xisted in the 'Legislative Council; so as to have in the
Mouse of Assembly eight instead of ten. He wished to
ask the Noble.'Lord whether' it was meant that those of
the Legislative Council who sat in the United Assembly
should be movable by the Governor from their seats in
the United Assembly.? Ile wished to know whether
that was. intended, as he thought the clause would have
that effect ? Guarding his vote by the assumption that
this was only a temporary measure, he should record it
in favour of the Noble Lord.
Mr. P. HOWARD opposed the principle of the Bill.
• On the principle of the recommendation of Lord Ripon,
the reduction of the official men in the Assembly to three
or five, Would give the Government all it could desire,
. so small a number could not control or overwhelm
Via deliberations. This course would be better than
,awamping the public voice by a side-wind, and reducing
the political privileges of the people to a mere nullity.
Mr. HUME said the inhabitants of Newfoundland
''ere--untreard and unrepresented, and the House was
• tiow about to deprive them of the greatest of privileges—
that of managing their own affairs, a system of man-
agement under which the colony had improved in every
respect. He did not agree with the last speaker, as they
had no right to make any modification in the constitu-
tion at nll. If this disfranchisement were to be applied

to any one English borough there was not a
-Member who would not he ready to cry out on its
injustice. He was prepared. to prove that all that had
been alleged against the constituencies were gross exag-
gerations. 'He read an extract from their petition, stat-
or;;that they believed, if the constitution was to be al)°-
, fished, it would be better that the affairs of the colony
should be entirely managed by a Committee
appointed by the Government. Let them not
think this oppression would be exercised with-
'out the endeavours to regain their rights and
liberties. No abrogation of thQ constitution, whatever,
'night to be made, and therefore he should, with great
pleasure, support the amendment, and join his Hon.
Friend in his exertions to obstruct, by every possible
Means, the progress of this Bill.
Mr. WYSE said if the proposition were carried, he
Must continue to give the Bill his strenuous opposition.
They ought at least to declare boldly whether their con-
stitution was abolished or not ; not to do so was un-
vorthy of the frankness and dignity of the House. He
Must continue to oppose the clause, as an insult and
injury to the people. It was not right for the House to
punish first, then to decide, and then to hear the parties
accused.
mho Cotamittee then divided, the numbers being—
. For the clause
~ 18

yor the amendment
Majority for the clause —62
frOn our return to the gallery we found
Mr, O'CONNELL moving an amendment in the
clause to the effect, that the number of the Members of
,tlto Legislature nominated by the Crown be five instead
of ten.
P. HOWARD seconded the amendment.
Lard STANLEY objected to the pronosition of the
llon. and Learned Gentleman. He had already giVen
fifteen Members to the popular party whilst to the Go-
vertunent party he had only given ten. Ile coul,l not
then consent to reduce the number of the hitter, 'as his
po,doing would give an undue majority to the popular
"party-.over the party nominated by the CrOwn, in the
.•!,-; proportion of fifteen to five.
After a few words from Mr. V. Sian.* and Mr. Hunts,
ttio.,, The Committee 'divided. The numbers were—
.94e, For the amendment
'its,, Against it B2
Majority against the amendment 6l
Lord CHARLES FITZROY moved as a proviso Vo
be added to the elauie, that such Member of Council
shall not vote on any question of supply, taxation, or
• finance. •
Mr. O'CONNELL said that if these Members, who
Were hot representatives of the people, should vote
• on questions of taxations, it would be contrary to every
principle of the constitution. Unless this proviso were
-`•.4ittgrecd to cases might arise in which the
,=,4,lnoney of the people might be Toed away with-
.. . out one of the• representatives of the people
concurring in the' vote, or a miserable minority of
the representatives might vote away monies contrary to
the opinion of the large majority by the assistance of
these. Members of Council.
.
Lord STANLEY said that the party which had the
greatest interest in economy in voting the supplies in
Newfoundland was the mercantile party, inasmuch as
all the supplies were derived from duties imposed
upon commerce. The struggle on the part of the
Assembly had always been to vote away public
money for the internal improvement of the
island, and for their own salaries. The struggle
on thtspart of the mercantile party, had always been to
keep it down; therefore the state of things in Newfound-
land was quite the reverse of what it was in this country.
It was necessary that the mercantile body should have
some means of controlling the expenditure.
Mr. lIUME supported the amendment. He thought
the proposition a fair and reasonable one.
The Committee then divided, when the numbers were-
For the amendment
Against the amendment 79

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4.ajoritx against the amendment.... —57
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