The Sun.
London, England, 1820-10-09 00:00:00

lIAMBURGH. PAPERS.

ITALY, SEPT. 15.—The Milan Gazette of 12th
September mentions, in the list of strangers who
have left that city, " BERG/4.11T, country gentle-
man, gone to Pesaro."

Th-e Royal Family of Naples are said to have some appre-
hension respecting their fate, and to have requested the Court
of London to send, at all events, a squadron to cruize in the
Gulph of Naples.
ensmanne, Seer. 16'.—Mr. Brougham, brother to the
Counsel of the Queen of England, has made a fruitless at-
tempt to induce the Grand Duke's Chamberlain, Baron Von
Ende, and the inn-keeper, Kroglinger, to go to London,
where hr hoped their depositions would weaken the testimony
of Barbara Kress, Which is so formidable to the Queen.
These two rersons hare, howei'er, not refused to declare
in writing what they know of the stay of the Queen sit
Carlsrithe.

• AL•roNA, OcT. 2.—a most afflicting event took place this
morning. One of our most able and esteemed Lawyers, M.
Raltgen, who yesterday kept his birth-day in the midst of his
friends, was found this morning murdered in his own house.
The Police is making the strictest search into this dreadful
occurrence.

. ,
rETERSFIELD, OCT. 3.--Yesterday was held,
! on Petersfield Heath, the First Autumnal Fair -or Cattle
thew, and we are happy to say It exceeded the most sanguine
expectations of the Gentlemen who were the promoters of it.
Early in the morning, about five hundred and eighty head of
Black Cattle front Wales, and seven hundred head of Cattle
from Devon, were collected, with a tolerable shew of Welch
Horses, on the Heath. The day being fine, many of the
neighbouring Gentlemen were present ; among them were
Mr. Poyntz‘ Mr. Grime, Mr. R. Norris, Mr. Blunt, Mr. W.
Ganntlett, Mr. Patrick, Mr. Woods, and many others; and
though, from circumstances usually attending the commence-
ment of establishments of this nature, many of the Graziers
and Farmers from the.adjoining Pistricts were prevented be-
ing there, the Dealers obtained good prices, and in the
course of the day they sold upwards of 300 of the Welch, and
about SOO of the Devon, and several Horses; consequently
they expressed themselves well satisfied with the result of the
Fair, and the liberal behaviour of the Farmers, who allowed
them to turn their cattle into their meadows, declining to re-
ceive any recompence.—Petersfield Heath, from its situation
and the nature of the grri,!ed, is admirably calculated, what
ever may he the weather, for a Cattle Fair, and there is 110
doubt the slimy of Cattle will lie greatee next year, as the
Dealers expressed their determination to promote its esta-
blishment by every means in their power. It is also intended
to extend the Fair to various other objects,
and .to hold, on
the day preceding, a Fair for the sale of the immense quanti-
ties of Wool which are 'to be. found in this part of the King-
dom.

CORN EXCHANGE, OCTA.—Towards the close
of Friday's market there was a tolerably brisk demand for
Wheat, and a considerahle clearance was effected of the hest
runs from Essex and Suffolk, at a reduction of from '2s. to 3s.
the supply
I,l3i,a4rritli:',..dYr
last
weeks
per quarter from Monday's price, and althointh
Irons ;hose Counties were rather large this. !owning, that of
hut the fine quality sold on the same terms as on kriday,,
or-
dinary sorts were exceedingly Intcy sale, at a, decline of 4s.
fine samples sold., WI! Is. per quarter
per quarter from last
. ,Monday's prices. The supply of
it'eltiantgt ostlimalials't Monday, and the inferior qualities slip-
prtces ; Oats are Is.•per quarter lower, ow-
ing( to the magnitude of arrivals; Beaus and Grey Peas arc
2s. per quarter cheaper.

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WEEKLY R ROSPECT.

THE PLOT THICKENS! 'TiS hOL now .by. side-
winds or by insinuations—at, Copenhagen-house,
or Spa-fields, that Rebellion is cherished ! He

rears his horrid crest in our Sireets—in our Pa-

laces—hi our Courts of Justice—even in the Su.
prerne Seat of British Legislature, and in front
of the TuntmE! Whd could have believed—
but one short month past—nay but' half that
brief period, that the highest Court of Judica-
ture in the Empire, sitting upon the most impor-
taut cause that ever came before' an earthly-
Judgei should be told that decision one way,
Would be agreeable to the mob, but that a- dec.:-
§ion in a contrary spirit, would be the last they
would ever give!

Yet such, if we are to belieVe printed report;
has really happened !—nay more !—for it has
been allowed to pass unnoticed ; - Was it Fearl
or Contempt that prompted to this silence ?. not
the first, we humbly •trust—for if that be, tits
the threatened Revolution has begun ! ! !
But even the Loyal Press has been nearly
silent upon , this most unheard of occasion;
But if DISLOYALTY and IMMORALITY are suffered
to irnpugn the Laws, until they make rigid
tunes—for such is literally the case—whilst
Loyalty is looked coldly on or neglected— can
we wonder at the silence and caution of that part
of the
~Press, whose sentiments are prompted
solely by a love of their Country, by venera-
tion of the Constitution, by reverence for their
Monarch ; who scorn to flatter the passions or
prejudices' of their Countrymen for venal profits;
but who, from a more natural regard for their own
personal safety, must naturally pause before they
rush headlong before popular fury, unprotected
and unsupported ?
We will not however suffer ourselves to be
biassed even by such natural-caution. With the
happiness and the greatness of our Country we
must sink or swim ! If our Country is to meet
its downfal, let us perish with it, proud to
sink into ruin along with all that is great, or
good, or venerable ; but whilst we exist, no Sla-
vish fear shall check our loyalty. to the Mo-
narch, our support to his Government in all things
honotirable to Britain—or induee• our - silence,
when error may appear ; and in that spirit)'we
now call upon that Government not to content
themselves with the -consciottauess of meaning-
rightly, but to step forth and-act manfully----aye,
and with a certainty of support from the great
body of the Nation, in opposition to the cla-
mours of the discontented, and the threatened
atrocities of the Revolutionary !
But in pursuing our Retrospect what ominous
facts present. themselves to our view !—even in
the space of cnie short week; At a dinner,
publitly announced as in honour of Revolution, of
any, and of every kind, we have. a hoary Revo-
lutionist openly drawling on the " degraded
state of England as compared with those Na-
tions which had so decidedly,- yet so peacefully,
emancipated themselves from oppression"—after
whom comes a wily Catholic, who, for the mo-
ment, dropping his Jesuitical cloak, gloats upon
his recollections of " Napoleon, who, were it fit
that mankind should submit to a Despot, was
the only Despot worthy to be endured !! !' .
The first of these speakers, too, we have under--
stoodwas in a naval uniform; not gained by services,
(for he has refused, or neglected to serve, from
political principles, in every war since the Ame-
rican inclusive) but by a mistake or oversight at
the well remembered, loyal and royal jubilee.
Yet in this honourable costume has he dared to
speak treason against both King and Constitu:,
tion—whilst his coadjutor, the would-be Advo4
cate and Representative of the Catholics, has
plainly evinced what are the principles and what
would be the practice of the revolutionary parti-
zan's of that sect if the hands of Superstition were
permitted to wield the torch of Bigotry and the
dagger of Rebellion !
There are other facts that we should not ne-
glect to notice, did our limits permit, and were it
not that our feelings have led us Otit of the usual.
routine of mere political retrospect ; but these
shall not be allowed to pass'unheeded, should our
columns be open during the press of Parliamen.-
tary, business.

PEnnt, Oc•r. s.—ln consequence of a Requi-
sition made to the Dean of Guild, a General
Meeting of the Guildry Incorporation was, held
here on the 23d ult. to corvider of the propriky
of presenting an Address to THE QUEEN ; and
after a lengthened discussion, the motion made
to present an Address was carried by a majority,
The Perth Courier, from which we have taken
the subjoined Protest against this measure, ob-
serves, that " on no occasion perhaps has a mi-
nority of the Guildry been composed of so many'
respectable individuals, either in point of per-
sonal character, or their outward circumstances
i❑ society." _

J, A Le:XANDER STEWA cur, hereby Protest, in my own name,.
and in the name of those Guild Brethren who adhere to
this against any Address whatever being, at. this pe-
riod, I;7;treissitt:itted to her :111.icsty the Queen, •as a proceeding
highly improper and and implying a doubt of the
justice find integrity of one of the Sopreme Branches of the.
Legislature, before which her Nlajesty's conduct is at pre-cut
undergoing investiotion, and in the purity of whose decision
we place the utmost confidence. ,
"ALEX. STEWART."
This Pretest.was followed •by a long list of
most respectable signatures.

PARLIAM ENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS-SATURDAY.

TIIE Q,ITEENS DEFENCE.
[Contination ty. S'aiurduy's Proceedings.]

Earl GREY thought the more desirable /course
would be to adopt the suggestion of the Noble-
Lord en die woolsack; namely, that of calling
itt:Maknci, ;Ind putting to ,him such questions
Ls. 32.tigLt. justify the course of examination pro-
pcleti;

. .
•- vrapoi or. saki he had no ebje..rtion "to
tbe actin"; ttpun the. ssto;ffestion Nutted tr.),

Q.ati wal the iCoore dispoccti ogree »o 11, lest
. e vpiaion of the House sltoulti be in- conflict
that to which the JudgPs 'night cei-rre---
Fiat hittiwif fly!. itlCjitit'd to atiopt the opiaioq
t,e thoui,ht t eaitt-itt be anticipb2tl the
J.vAges woltld deliver. •
`ll be Cf.):lll,A-1 were then called in and asl:ed
.tb_•er they bad objection tite witaiosfi
beipz re-m4allt-41 ?

t tie Afargwis o LA.NSDCPMN aciral4sce-1 in the
icisti,-.c-.of the rennnrk.s of hits and
E.co•rt
Earl 1../f r.), r.t 33 F. tk .1. E. c nteaaded that th&
gvef-t. (31.01t_stet. to toe put. ,

rCte fiorm (;tiAvcEts...o3L-2--" I .am noW t 4 ask
sth,e c'upset 171) wltet..4er they objec.t.
-EG -A2aj(3c-ci Joti:4,4 calCied, and haviri; the questioa
put to . •
'Thq Ar Far.VEVIGENF-11A7,---'" E feel placed in

air at4ktcurd sititatira, &het i win tell yoas Lord.-
ships why : Vow' Lortisilips rec•ollect that
wais Ciao,- times cross-i-carniaed. Your
Losdsbips i i tvcollect..au option lyeirT given to

Frit,itds On the otht-r 'side., whether
Cyr Rot.. they would have furtlir tros's-exaraba7
;it2l7 of the witreoi.s., or,wb.-ethr they would " have

tyefare tire other part of the. 43i11,:oras closcd.
3.1 y Lords, they bail that option, und they prr-
L':ri.ed the delay whic.34 nyi l-. place, in order to
prepate their cw;e._ I say, if they tneant to par-
tue this tootle of examination, knowiqg as 'they
(10 the law ,on the subject, it was their duty to
baim.cf)Te to your hortkhips herore they opened
tbeir ease (srippe-ing your Lordshiv wirou'el hare
i4vlged them trith that.) in order that those in
support of the Dill have vl opportunity of
aco.tiering and conarnentipg ripen it. My
if tWis iS. tione in this caie, it must he done with

r,-;sl.ect to all the witnesel examined at
.eardsbips' bar- ft is said., that at the time the
wrr not aware of this circ. urastance. Why, Who
.mrar,the witne called .7"
The Loan Cil A KGE5.4.011t-'-44 do it appre-‘
behd . that the House means -that that should be
nrf.r,uai upon. But the question is, whether you
.mss:?thx.ido what you are trerfectly authorised
-to do, withhold your rorilenti-"
by ..k.TroilyEy-G-cyFRAL—" }Fora the situa-
ti.ort is -which .here stfand, and after what is
posed., I'do not feel au.thorise4 to .give my con-
.your. Lordship CVltlunkni use to do
it, do it, but otherwise. I cannot give
Lll r consent."
The Learned. Judges here retired to confider
the questions put to them,
241.- 11aouGliAm-4,‘ in the mean time, my
if your Lordsl-ips pleas, we will call an-
othe,r; witnesi%."

CHAILLOUTE LaNnz.%l" then ilpprouched to
Vlejivrit of the sat.
Mr. BnouGnA)4.—My Lorti4 Lady- Okarlotte
Lindsay- has come to il)form your Lordships of
restlt a her research.
-The 1,0111) Cll.lVcELLorz..—Does any person
14,'Al to put any question relative to timf letter?
Mr, Bit ur, I).‘ :have none. my Lord.
The Loan CLEts-cm.ton.—Q. la,s yinir Lady-
silip searched for that letter ?—A. t leave
Have you been at le to find. it ?---No, I have

L•ot.

fPia believe it not to be ins. eiistence ?—I
be,Lew!: it not to by in existence ; I have it not.
Hare vett reason to believe' that it could tie iii
the fzintojtly of any ether per.sou than yoarself ?
I hat,e not.

Examined bs Lord LAUDERDALE.
'Q. Can Lady Charlotte Lindsay state the
grounds of her brother's. request as contained in
that letter ?
Mr; BRO UGHAM objeetett to the answering of
the ;question, as the Noble Lord was now going
to examine the contents of that letter.---o.t
this time there was a considerable noise in the
Itiotzte" .)
The Loan CHANCELLOR rose and said, will
the 'Noble and Learned Lards now in the House
giviine their attention ? I understand Lady
CharleftteLindlary to have said.: that she left the
sertice of the Queen ;inconsequence Of a rec.:nest
frein her brother contained in a letter. Now.
I conceive that to the extent of asking Lady
aarlotte what were the terms in which the re-
qqesiwas made, a question may be asked ; whe-
ther-it can' be allowed -to go farther (and in some
views it possibly way) I don't.limow.
Mr. Bitoccium—l beg pardon ; I really oils.-
understoOdAite question.
Lori L:kunEnoAts.-----it is a question that
caanot !be refused to be answered. have aright
to examine her Ladyship as to the contents of
that letter.,

Can plur Ladyship state the grounds of your
brother's request in that lettert—l have no dis-
tinct recollection of anything which the letter
contained, except the request and laBvice of my
brother,. that I showld not remain in the service
of the Princess, and some pecuniary arrangements,
.which were to take place. _

Does.youi Ladyship rece.ilect when the advice
was given, what was the reason assigned ?—I do
not recollect what in that letter was the reason
assigned:, have some indistinct idea that the
reports, before alluded to, must have been men-
tioned,in that letter; but I cannot say positively..
Whaf,reports?—The reports I mentionedin
answer to the cruestim of a Noble tsord yester-
day, of an unpleasant and degrading nature, that
had ingLuenced ine.in resigning ray.situation.

Lord they reports of a co
trary description of conduct in her :Voje* 6ty to
that.which- you have sworn'—They were.

hi er Ladyship withdrew.

The Hock now suggested that •Mr. Brougham
might, during the absence of the Judges, call ano-
ther witnes, if he were prepared.
(7,111 r; Bi;ouGnAm-LlCettainly; my LOrd. Call
John Whitcomb.

_ John, ll7bitcomb baying- arrived at the Bar,
Lord LIUDERDALE objected to the examina-
tion of a witness durirsg the -absence or the Judges,
upon the principle-that if any objection were taken
to a question pat, the J urges might to be present
to hear the arguments for and against that ob-

jection. ,
•
Lord HOLLAND 'thought that it was only,, ne-
ces.sary for the question to be rut its a clear
manner to the Julgo, its ortier to enable them to
rums tlnn",r He did not think it was at
all requisite for the Judges either to lwar theevi-
den ce on
H the arguments which might be ad dressed
io the ouse.
• Lord Livnapoon would not ohject to the
course proposed, but he considered, in order that
the Jur!ges. might perfectly understand the dis_
inned point., it was absolutely neeesssry they
should hear the arguments of:Coonsel, and if any
ditilrniny nf this sort arose, he .shOuld: certainly
move to wait their return.
.After some 'farther observations from /riord.-
4.lAnx.sns...hy, . Lord EastitxE, and Lord L.10.13E•1t-
a).4.LE, in explanation, ;he witness was sworn and
examined.
JOns; AViliTcosin eiatnined.'
Q. In what situation of life arc you .?---2A . I am
valet to' the 'Horn Keel Craven.
Dow long hove you been in that •situation ?
Upwards of six yearS, not seven:
Were you is his service at the time the Prin.
c•o!.,:s of Wales , was at Na was.
• Do you recollect.the first night of your arrival
at Naples in ultatnrOotn Bergami slept :—..No; I
do net. . , •
Hase, yob. ever seen the room in which he
slept ?—,Not the first bed-room ; I neVer was in
that.
Do you recollect the second room in which he
lct}al—Perfectly well.
Was there a passage communicating frob that
room tO the room in which the Princess slept 1—
There was a passage from one end of the hon-se
to the other, conamitnicating at the, further end
wi:h a terrace. 13*..,rgarni slept towards the ter-.
race ;, the Princess slept in the front of the
house.
Do you recollect the room in wthiclin yoUng
Austin sleptl,--ffes, it was neat to that of the
Prioress.
00 slept "
in the room next to Austin's 1—
Ifieronymus.\ ,
What situation In the Princess's 'Service 41
Hieronymus hold at that time ?--=The situation
a a page, I understood.
Do you remember where Dr. Holland slept ?
In the next room to Hieronymus. --- .
Are the three rooms last mentioned all on the
Side of passage I—Yes: .
Was there a door from Hieronymus's room into
the passage 1--Yes.
Where did the door of Dr. Holland's room.
open allot her: passage.
Was Dr, Holland's room at the corner of the
two passages of which you speakl—lt was.
Did the door of Dr. Holland's room open in
the passage nearly opposite .to Bergarni's door?
--flergarni's room did not open into that passage.
Do you remember where Mademoiselle Du-
mont siept?—ln a room over Dr. Holland.
She slept in a room nearly over that ,of Dr.
Holland ?—Yes.
Have yonever been in ,that room ?—Yes, fre-
gnently.
Ifave yon been in that room by night as well as
by day I—Yes; late as well as early.
At the time you have been so; "in that room of
Dumont, were you with her alone ?--Yes.
Whet Carried yott there ?—She invited me
to go there.
When you have been in the room, has any per-
son been there besides yourself and Dumont ?s-
Sonkietimes Annette, another servant, has been
there, but not long ; she went away when she
saw me there.
Have you ever been aione.with Dumont in her
chamber?—Very frequently.
At the time you have been alone with her, has
the doer been locked or not I—lt has been
locked.
The SOI4CITOR-GENER L said it was impOssi-
ble not to object. to this course of evidence; it
was manifest the purpose which the Learned
Counsel had in view.
Mr. Dr..nAN.—" My Lords, we do not wish
to press it further.
The LORD On 'iCEI.;I.OII.—c4 You have pressed
it as far as you could."—(Laughter.) '
The latter question and answer were then ex-
punged from the short-hand writer's notes,
Do you recollect a masked ball at Naples,
given by the Queen ?—I do.
Were the servants of ,her Royal Highness in
character I—Not all of them.
How were' 'they dresshd I—Sicard Bergarni,
and Hieronymus in thelurkigh fashion.
In the early part of the evening I—Yes.
Did they afterwards change them for plain
dresses I—LSicard and Hieronymus went away.
I did not see them afterwards.:
Did you, see' Bergami afterwards ?—Yes, in
plain clothes, walking.about•with me.
Were there any refreshments handed about ?
—Yes.
Was he assisting the other , servants I—Yes,.
once or twice, carrying refreshments.
IYere yott at Naples the whole time the Prin-
eess was there I—Yes.
Hove did Bergaini conduct himself towards
her :—The same as the rest of the servants.
Cross'-examined.
Q. Did you live in the bOuse Yes, for a
few days,
How many ?—Throe or four.
You then-liaed at Mr. Craven's lodgings ?-2
Yes. ' .

Yon Lave dc.ictibed a passage, *as it as you
have stated

Dr. lioliand room was in the corner,?--Yes.
Was the,:re.uot4 puts loge leadiug- from the din-
ing-roorn by Dr, HO 's into the, pasiage?—
,
Yes.

IVfs froliautl'srOoni ou the right ?—Yes.
nia,Nt'rok-n tife ilk ;va:icthe ropoi,
of .Dr. on' the zighttNiia thet/e a:brhh.ll
room of f the ter,:

occupied think not.
Bey.ond that and nett to it did Bergami sleep ?
Yes.
Was there not a door leading from Bergami's
room into the first passage ?•-1. ant not certain.
.You.say lkrgtuui's room was at the end of the
imSsage; could you go into his room from that
passage ?=-Ves, by door.
Ber,,garni's mom was toward the garden, was it
a corner room, or, was there a cabinet beyond it?
tlo not remember any cabinet.

Was thre'not, in tho passage near the stairs
Avhich ledto burnout's room, a door ?—There Iva.%
one leading-to the room of Hieronymus.

N4ttit-.4.le;'e not another ant not Sure.

Was there not a second passage leading from
flergarni's room to that of the Princess ----There
was a sort of inner room or pa,,aize.
%Vgs there not, near the root of the staircase, a
dog!. 'ending to this communication ?—I think
there •Was. -
Lord ERSKItit here referred to Dumont's testi-
mony • m hen she swore she always slept alone. His
object was' to ascertain, whether the witness,
NV hi trorni); ever was in het room during the night
Ivhile she was in bed ?

" This question was objected to by the Soraci-
Tou-GEEuAr., who said, that Dumont could not
be criminated ley any indirect question, if she
could not bedirectly criminated. •
Lord ERSinNE maintained that the question
was perfectly legal, and referred to his own
practice in a case bdfore Lord Ellenborough,
when he pia such a 'question, which was objected
to, and he then tendered a bill, of exception to
the decision of the Lord Chief Justice. Ile
(Lord Erskine) had subsequently put, and had
heard other C(*.nsel put similar questions, with-
out interruption. His Lordship said, every judge
or Cotknsel had a right to put such questions, but
it was perfectly open to the 'witness to refuse an
answet to any questions tending to criminate her-
self ; but here the witness, Dumont, had an-
swered the' question, " Did you:: sleep alone" in
the aflirmqtive, and therefore it was competent
to ask any question tending to impeach her tes-
timony.
The Lo4in CHATELi.OIt said, if the question
had been asked, and. an answer had been refused,
then no evidence Could. be called 'to. criminate the
witness upon that point. if the questions put to
.Dumont were put for the ptirposeof Making her
acknowledge that she- had' been guilty of an of-
fence, and denied it, they could not call Wit-
: nesse& to prove that she had conunitted it.
Lod EImSKIN'E said, Dumont
.had not refused
to answer the question ; but she had sworn that
she had slept alone, and he wished to know whe-
ther she had slept alone.
Lord LIVERPOOL said Dumont might reconcile
her testimony by saying " I did certainly admit
this man to a criminal intercourse, but I did not
sleep with him." -

Lord ERRSKINE persisted in his right to pia the
question. -
Lord LAUDERDALE objected to The question.

The LOIN) CHANCELLOR said that the ques-
tions put to Dumont had been for the purpose of
criminatitig her, and as she had denied the offence
imputed to her, they would not adinit of the
question now put by Lord Erskine.
The Marquess of BucKIN.GnAm said a few
ords.

Examination continuer!.

Lord IA AUDERDILE.-Q. Where did you sleep
at Naples ?—A. In the house.

In the room next to Mr. Craven ?—Every
night.
You did not go to any other bed during the
night ?—No, but I did not go to bed before
twelve or one o'clock.
Lord EasKrNE.—You afterwards went into
lodgings ; did you continue to sleep there ?—Yes,
I never slept in the Queen's house after.
Lord L kunranALE.—You have been six 3 t•ars
with Mr. Craven ?—Yes.

Where did you first enter his service ?—At
Hammersmith.

Had you been abroad before ?—No.
What was the month of the year in which you
entered his service ?—I do not recollect, but it
was six years ago.

Did you speak-. French and Italian wlipn you
first entered his service I—French, bat not Ita-
lian.

Were you at Pesaro a year ago'?—Fifteen
months: since.

Do you recollect Bergami coming there to
Mr. Craven ?—Yes.

Did he shake hands with sou like an old
friend ?—He pressed my -hand as he went up
stairs.

By a PEER.--Did you ever go into Dumont's
bed-room after you went into lodgings at Na-
ples f,--Yes. Have you seen any body else in her bed-room
at any.time f—Only Annette,.to the best of my
recollection.

The Judges here returned, and the Lord Chief
Justice Abbott delivei•ed their unanimous opinion
in the negative upon the question which had been
submitted to them. He would take the liberty'
of stating to their Lordships, in addition to what
had been agreed to by his Learned Colleagues,
that upon any grave and serious case, if the
Counsel had omitted in his cross-examination to
lay a proper foundation for his defence, it was
sometimes the practice, and it was much better
at certain times and seasons, to break in upon the
ordinary regulations.
Ilford LivmtrooL thought that if .the Counsel
for the defence deemed it necessary to their case,
this' was an instance in which such an allowance
shoilld be granted.
'The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that in grave

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3713 11.1portant t':asi it was perfectly-coro ;1
with the practice of the Courts below -t° re
witnesses to the Bar flir the purpose of
mining to particular points which might apl*,
desirable. s The questions, hatveerxaccordiug
strict form, mast he put through ti e'Court:
It was 4,!lkreed tliVNajocai skould be. broag:ll\
to tile Bar.
of LIVERPOOL suggeSted, that as it
was probable the iv,itness_wotilii be SOiIIC Coll°
before he appeared at •the Bar, CounSel had bCt..
ter be directed to go on with some other buss.
'less.

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Mr. BkouGuam stated, that he was infor
by'his Learned F; end opposite that the Witnes'
would be then-. in a few 'minutes.
The Laitn Cn.t.NcELLon--Very well ; tll‘6-
your own Cilirs,,?.
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eodore 31 tipeci, at this momen;. to ,
liar when the following examination took Plac'':
Mr. BIIOUGILIM suggesting the questions to
B

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Court
THEODORE. MAJOCCI, •re-examined•

Q. Do you recollect having- seen William Car;
rington, the valet of Sir W. Gell, at Ituccinelli'
—A. I do not remember that.
Do you recollect • having seen Sir W. G'"),
En lisle servant near Rome, any where ?—Thi'
do not remember. •
[This answer was received with lam-Alter 1)1(
,the, strangers heion, the Bar, with loud Cries 41
" Order!" on the part of the House.]
'Do you remember ever having seen Sir. V" e
Ham Cell's servant any where
seen him, 1 think, at itome, but not at RAIL:a.
nelli.
Did you ever tell any one that: Baron OtnpWi
employed some one to get the keys of her It°Y,g.e
Highness, in order to have others made
►
them not.
. Did von ever tell to Sir William Gell's seriaklt
any thing, of that kind, or to the like effeCt
1 have never spoken of this.
Did you ever tell him that a person had bee
°
employed for the aforesaid purpose by Oniptel
Arid that he confessed it to the police, and 115_,A
beenl discharged in consequence ?-1 never
anyssuch conversation.
Did you ever tell any one that if the Prinos4
had not ordered her servants to take no notic,e(
of the. conduct Ompteda, ypu would youre'
have killed him like a dog ?--I never said
such a thing these things are quite new to un''.
Did you ever speak of the villAitm and ingrntlif
trade of Baron Ompteda, 'after having so 101 l
eaten and drank in the house, and complain.°
his having brought suspicion on the servants :.
Never:' ',: ;41
Did you ever talk of Ompteda to the Engl''
servant of Sir W. Gell by name nev°`'
Question repeatcd?—•Never,
Mr. Oaoutarim said he had nothing more t:
ask of the witness, and asked if lie might 1),
allowed to recall William Carrington for t`jt'
purpose of negativing the testimony they (i
just heard.

The Loan CIIANCF.LLOR. allowed that o'l'l
tain occasions mi.ght arise to warrant such a Pr°‘
ceediug, but it was very irregular.
Mr. Bitolion.tm was anxious to confront Tv'
jocci with William Carrington, and in order to
prevent him Prow Weniptinglo shelter hig'se
under the plea that he had said thee things to

some one, though he did not know who.
The, Lo RD CHANCELLOR.— You had better as
him ik-he never said them to any one.
Lord: Llyurtroor:. begged the HOUse to cooe.
der how far they were going in admitting t''
witness to be, called back for the purpose of ,re'
examination. lie was perfectly willing that sliee'
cial. permission should on special grounds
granted, bu't ,he hoped the flouse would I°'"
at such a license with peculiar jealousy. '
• ,•th
Lord LAUDERDALE thought the question, ~,
respect to the evidence of Majocci, ought to
looked at in a differek point of view frail' and
which had hitherto been suggested. Their bortci
ships must have remarked, that when illaj°c.
was questioned as to his recollection of the 19;
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ron Ompteda, he. said he remembered a Gero''',.
Baron but that he could not recollect the oarjj,,c,,
Now he should wish him to be asked, if he r`le
membered holding a conversation with an Y °lf
relative to a certain German Baron:4lle
hear!)
Majocci was accordingly called back, and ag3i°
questiOned by Mr. Brougham. Sir
Did You ever have ,any.conversation with
William Gell's English servant, respecting 1-1;
conduct of that German Baron of an extravae
name:—Never. I never si-Joke of him.
Mr. nRHUGHI,SI said, if it was their Lordshirt
wish that any more general quer,tions be put' r,
the purpose of she tin that the witness o'4
held such conversation with any body, it cou
tlot
be put ; but that her Majesty's Counsel did
desire to examine any fuether. the
No further question being suggested bj
House,
the" Lordships won

Mr. 110 UGIIIM begi.,re, their iordship:.
nave William. Carritl,ton recalled. 71'
Wm. CA It RI NG T 0 N (') /mined h j Dr'. - -ova
Q. What did you hear Majocci say respect
the Baron Ompteda- ?L.-A. He told me that be ,
employed the chambermaid to procure the eoes
of her Itoyal in order to have false
`made.
Cross.7examincd ilw AT olt NEY-GENETt G
Q. Where 'was tltiz. supposed conversation `t
Majocci held ?—A. Do..va in the court-yard.

Where
Who was present E--Ile was by
.himself•
ow came you to meet him then I°s
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accident. ofig
What was he doing at that time ?-----Ilet
bett
preparing the Queen's carriage. She Was
going to'Rome.
Did your master go to Roi that day •
went there. t o's
How long was it before they set off, tiT,bt be
communication was made to you ?----1t 111".'•
an hour or an hour and a hrlf. lioit';•
n'
Oh! it might be an hour or an hour and
but•bow long was it ?--About an hour.

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