The Sun.
London, England, 1829-03-02 00:00:00

MESSAGE FROM TUE COMMONS.

Sir ALEXANDER GRANT, and several other Mem-
bers of the House of Commons brought up two Bills of
Grants in aid to his Majesty, for the year 1529.
The Bishop of GLOUCESTER presented several pe-
titions from the Rural Deanery and Clergy of se -.1-11
paata in Gloucestershire. A petition, in the absence of the
Bishop of Winchester, from the Rural Deanery of Surrey,
and another signed by 1,500 inhabitants of Gloucester,
praying no further concessions to the Catholics.
The Marquis of DOWYSHIRE presented petitions
from several parts in Ireland, in favour of Catholic Claims,
and against the Vestry Act.
A Noble Lord, whose name we could not learn, pre-
sented a petition from Castle Cary.
The Bishop of DURHAM presented several petitions,
against further concessions to Catholics.
The Bishop of ELY presented several petitions from dif-
ferent parts against the Catholic Claims, and tAnk this op-
portunity to state, that he was now 70 years of age, and that
his sentiments under• all the considerations he could give
the subject, remained unchanged and unchangeable. He
was decidedly opposed to further concessions to the Ca-
tholics.
EArl FITZWILLIANI presented a petitio❑ from the
Protestants of a parish in the West Riding of Yorkshire,
against Emancipation. One from the Protestants of an-
other part in York, praying- for the removal of all religious
disabilities. One from Wicklow, and another pariah, to
the same effect.

The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented a petition frnm
various Corporations in the City of Dublin, against fur.
ther concess'ons. The petitions at the Noble Duke's re-
quest was read at length. The Noble Duke presented an-
other petition front same persons against the Forty shilling
Freeholder, which was likewise read at length. The Noblo
Duke next presented petition from the Protestants in
Mansfield, and from various parishes in county of York ;
from about three dozen parishes in Nottingham ; front
parishes in Darby ; from the Borough of Daintry ; from
a parish in the county of Rutland, and from Worksop, all
against the Catholic claims.—ln all 58 petitions.
Lord WINCHELSEA gave notice, that on Thursday
next he should move for a return of all Roman Catholic
Clergy in Great Britain and Ireland, specifying the
number of Parochial Clergy, as also those holding Titular
Bishopricks and other Dignities, and the districts of which
they have superintendance; also the number of foreigners
acting as Roman Catholic Clergy in Ireland, whether regular
secular, the number of houses and setninaries under the
direction of the order and society of the Jesuits, the names
and number of other religious Roman Catholic orders in
Great Britain and Ireland, together with the number of the
inmates of the different convents and monasteries.
The Duke of WELLINGTON thought such a return
could not be made.
Lord WINCIIELSEA had been informed that a re-
turn very similar to this, had already been made up to
1815, and therefore, with the Noble Duke's permission, he
ihuuld persist in giving his notice.
The Duke of WELLINGTON observed, that if the
return could be made it should.

(LEFT SITTING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS

The SPICAKgR took the Chair precisely at Four o'clock.
Sir ROBERT HARRY INGLIS took the oaths and
his seat, as Member for the University of Oxford.
Lord MANDEVILLE presented several petitions from
p/acee in the county of Armagh, against any further con-
cessions 0 the Roman Catholics.
Lord CIIANDOS presented a petition from the junior
Members, the Graduates, Undergraduates, and Bachelors
of Arts of the University of Oxford against any further
concessions to the Catholics The petition was signed by
upwards of 300 of the junior Members of the University.
Mr. BROUGHAM said that he wished to ask ques-
tion of the Noble Lord who had presented the petition, hut
so many observations from that side of the House had been
misrepresented that he felt it necessary to say that he
meant no 4;sepepect to the Noble Lord, and only asked for
the purposed ii`iforiaatiom He wished to know
what the
numbers of that body were of which these petitioners were
A portion ?
CIIANDOS said that he really could not give the
Hon. and (..earned Gentleman the information he required.
He was riot aware of the numbers of the Undergraduates
and junior members of the Unieersity.
Doctor PHILLIAORE said that the feeling of the
junior members of tha University was decidedly in favour
of Catholic Emancipation. He believed the total nt,:rolgr
of the junior members was about three thousand.
Mr. ESTCOURT said that he believed that his Learned
Friend Lad rot over-rated the number, hut when he as-
serted that the ueele:.eduates were notoriously friends of
Emancipation, he would take leave to doubt the
correctness of that assertion.—(hear, Icar, bear).
Bat he would work—where was the proof? The FGO;
was all on the other side.—( Hear, hear. (._.They had on
their tattle a petition, signed by several hundreds
of the junior members arainet c4l!olic concessions. He
thought that much better evitience tnan Gila eesertion of
his Learned Prierid?,,(Clieers.)
Dr. PHILLIMORE said that the junior members had
consulted him as to the propriety of petitioning par-
liament in favour of the Roman Catholics, bat lie
had tkissuaded them from doing so, under the impression
that a Petitiou fecee them would have comparativ dy
little
weight, and thai they had iii?e;efore better let the Catholic
question take its course.
Mr. ESTCOURT said that that had noth'.iig to tick,
wjth tlie egtion. It was mere advice, which amounted
to nothing.
Pr. PHILLIMORE, in ecjihniatitio, said he did not
mean to deny that the petition represented the sentiinetitp
of the 300 persona who had signed it, but lie ineant to
contend that it did not represent the r.entiguen6 of the
'enior members of the University.
TIERS STUART said that there was a de-
- ',el, and it was clear that the senti-
-ere favourable to email-

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cipation, for at that society the question
great majority.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
General KING presented a petition from the Gentry,
Clergy, and Freeholders of the county of Leitrim, against
any further concessions to the Homan Catholics.
Admiral SOTIIERON presented a petition from Wor-
i,am and thirteen other places, against Catholic Emancipa.

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tion. The petitions were respectably signed and worthy
the attention of the House.
Mr. DAVENPORT said no one was allowed to attend
a meeting, where one of the petitions came from, unless he
was favourable to the views entertained by those who
called it. The greatest exertions were made to obtain
signatures, and he knew one of the petitioners to be an
idiot.—(Great laughter.)
Admiral SOTHERON said his Hon. Colleague must
acknowledge that the petitioners were as a body very re-
spectable.
The petition was then brought up and read.
Mr. DUNCOMBE had the honour to present fourteen
petitions against any further concessions to the Roman
Catholics, the first was from the town of Sheffield, and
signed by thirty thousand three hundred individuals. (Ilear,
hear.) It was unnecessary for him to say, that he entirely
agreed in the prayer of the petitioners, he would merely
recommend it to the serious consideration of the House.
Mr. MARSHALL must call to the recollection of his
Hon. Colleague, that the petition was nut agreed to at a
public meeting, and that it was hawked all round the
country to obtain signatures.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. DUNCOMBE—If the Hon. Member does not
consider it a public meeting because it was not held in the
open air, lie was right; but be (Mr. D.) called it a public
meeting. It was held in the Town Hall, and very nume-
rously attended. (Hear.) He could assure the House
that the signatures were of individuals residing in Shef-
field or its immediate vicinity—(hear) ; but it appeared
that Members on the other side seemed determined to find
fault with every petition presented. It could only be for the
purpose of undervaluing them in the public mind, what-
ever might be said he considered the petitions presented
against further concessions to the Catholics spoite the un-
biased opinions of the people of this country.
Lord MILTON was not disposed to cry down any peti-
tion whatever, touch less one so respectably signed as
that just presented by his Hon.:Colleague, he would, how-
ever, remind his Hon. Colleague of one or two circumstances
which he appeared to have forgot. He (Lord Milton) did
not mean to dispute the respectability of the signatures,
hat he never could sanction the manner in which the
meeting was held where it originated. To prove that it
was not a public meeting, he would mention one fact of
his own knowledge. A friend of his was going to the
meeting fur the purpose of opposing the resolutions, when
he was informed that he would not be admitted,
as none hut those who were favourable to them would be
allowed to take part in the proceedings—(Hear, hear.)—
therefore, with all due deference to the Hon. Member, he
never could call this a public meeting—(lleac.)—where
only one side were allowed to take part. Now, the peti-
tion which he (Lord Milton) had the honour to present
last week, was agreed to at a public meeting, called by the
Master Cutler, who was the proper constituted .officer
for such purposes, and attended by more than seven
thousand individuals, out of which number not more
than forty hands were held up arrainst it, and the signa-
tures to which he would assert were highly respectable.
Mr. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the inha-
bitants freeholders of Scarborough against the Catholic
Claims. The Hon. Member observed that it was most
numerously and respectably signed. He also presented si-
milar petitions from thirteen places in Yorkshire.
Mr. KEKENVICH presented a petition from the
Mayor and Corporation of Exeter, against the Catholic
Claims.
Mr. W. PEEL, on the presentation of the petition from
the Corporation of Exeter, trusted that the Ilouse would
not suppose it was his intention to underrate the imports
ante or the influence of the petition. It professed to he
the petition of the Corporation ; but he was authorised to
say that not one half of the members had signed it.—
The feeling certainly by which those gentlemen was
influenced was, that they had relied on the prudence of
his Majesty's Government in forming the Bill fur the re-
moval of the disabilities under which the Roman Catholics
' now laboured—and they trusted that the effect of the
' measure would be to preserve rather than destroy the Con-

stitu tion
Mr. KEKEWICH, then presented a petition from
Tamworth, and another from Paisley, against the Catholic
claims.
Colonel SIBTHORPE presented two petitions against
Catholic Emancipation from parishes in Lincoln. The
Hon. Member said that the petitioners had been thrown into
a state of surprise and alarm at the recent change which
had taken place in the sentiments of his Majesty's Mi-
nisters, which they felt it to be their duty to re-
sist any attempt that might be made for the
introduction of Roman Catholics into Parliamero. They
were of the true John, Bull breed, and wished to have no
spurious cross of a Papist Bull.—(Laughter.)
Mr. HOULDSWORTH presented two petitions from
parishes in the county of Devon, against the Catholic
Claims. The Hon. Member, on presenting these peti-
tions observed, that they were couched in firm and manly
terms. The petitioners had entered into a review of
the present state of Ireland, and were well convinced
the merely granting the claims of the Roman Catho-
lics would sot have the effect of benefittiug that country,
or setting at rest those feuds, by which it was unhappily
distracted.
Mr. GREEN presented a petition from the inhabitants
of Ulverston, Lencashire, against the Catholic Claims.
The Hon. Member said that the petition was signed by a
great number of independent Freeholders, whose ancestors
had fought for their country.
Mr. 11. MAXWELL presented a petition from the
Seceders of 'Renfrew, against further concessions to the
Catholics. Also several other similar petitions from varioss
places in Scotland, and from places in the county of
ti
Mr. MOORE presented similar petitions from the Pro-
testant inhabitants of Kiltnany, sad other places in the
Queen's County.
[LEFT SITTING.]