The Sun.
London, England, 1829-12-10 00:00:00

TO THE EDITOR OF T; sUN.

Stß,—ln an article which app aced in The Sun
of the 30th ultimo, in reference to the propo;ed
change of the Welsh Jurisdiction, I'm ehttrgC the
inhabitants of the Princ'pality with " stupid preju-
dice," for their repugnance to the improvements
about to be introduced into the system of Weld'
Judicature. You say that they are ncit awate what
those improvements are. This is the very founda-
tion on which our " repugnance" to the change is
grounded. We have had the Law Commissioners'
Report, and hat e read it; but so far from promising
any improvements, it does not propose any thing
equal to what we now enjoy. if you know more of
the secret than what is contained in the Report
we should be exceedingly happy to learn it; and
should it be a better system than what we have
already, depend upon it we shall not continut our
repugnance. You think that " the division of Wales
into two or three districts" would be an improve-
ment. The Commissioners propose that it should
be:divided into "four." But how is this tobe effected,
when it militates against the interest and inclination
of the inhabitants ? Would the people of Rutland-
shire and Huntingdonshire submit to have the as-
sizes removed from their county towns to the ad-
joining counties ? And yet they are far less in ex-
tent and population than Cardiganshire or Pem.
brokeshire. Will you be kind enough to, consider
the loss which a county sustains in being deprived
of the assizes being held twice in the year, and give
us the result of such consideration? You state that

the " cause lists of Shropshire and Herefordshire are
burthened constantly with Welsh issues." This is
not the fact. The Welsh issues tried in English
counties are not any thing equal in number, consi-
dering a proportionate reference to the two coun-
tries, to the venues changed from one county to an-
other in England. As to the few causes tried in
those shires, a sufficient reason could be easily as-
signed. Indeed, issues cannot be tried in English
counties where the cause of action arises in the
Principality, unless the debt amounts to 501., or the
freehold come in question. You say that the Welsh
are "proverbially litigious." Are they more so than
their neighbours ? Examine the number of causes
tried in England and Wales in counties where the
population is equal, or nearly so, and you will find
the balance of litigation in favour of the former.
Again, you say that " education and intercourse
with their neighbours (the English) have to a great
extent removed the nationality of the higher classes,
but there are few countries in Europe where the
labours of the schoolmaster are more needed than
in Wales." That there remains work enough for
him among the ancient Britons, as well as the rest
of the kingdom, will not be denied. However, he
has been more active here than is generally thought.
Let any one who has visited Wales, who is ac-
quainted with the inhabitants, and who is capable of
forming a judgment on the subject, say wl ether our
peasantry are not very far in advance of those of
England in learning, intelligence, and morality.
You insinuate that because " Wales has been an-
nexed to England since Edward the First, and that
the English language should be so partially diffused,
speaks but little for the degree of civilization to
which we have arrived." We really were not
aware before that civilization was identified with
speaking the English language. In Wales, those
who are of immoral principles, and who have made
any proficiency in that language, use it for the pur-
pose of cursing, swearing, -and every kind of blas-
phemy. From such civilization may God deliver
my countrymen. On the other hand, those of them
who are acquainted with them both, uniformly
choose their native tongue for their devotional exer-
cises. Probably you were not aware that there are
few persons in Wales who cannot read and write,
and it is considered a stigma on their character if
they are unable to do so. As to the rising genera-
tion, such has been the success of the schoolmaster,

that I can venture to assert, that from the east to
the west, and from the north to the south of the
Principality, few will be found who cannot read their
Bibles. I perfectly agree with you that the " ju-
risdiction of every country should be adapted to
the state of society it is intended to govern."
It is on this very principle we act in opposing
the abolition of our Courts. In a country where
small sums form the principal part of commercial
dealings, the administration of law should he ex-
peditious, and the expences cheap. These two
advantages we enjoy in a higher degree than in
England. Until then the administration of the
law is more expeditious, and law expences arc
cheaper than under our present jurisdiction, I
am sure, from the candour and liberality of your
political principles, that you will not again con-
demn my countrymen for not consenting to change
a system which they consider far preferable to the
one proposed in lieu of it. As this is a subject of
vast importance to the Principality, and which will,

most likely, occupy much of the time of the Lon-
don Press until the next meeting of Parliament, I
may have occasion again to trespass on your co-
lumns. Let it be shown that it is intended to give
us a better system of jurisprudence than we have at
present, and our " repugnance" to the intended
change will instantly cease.

CYMRO.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.

SIR,—As an Englishman, a father of a family, for
many years engaged in business, I did by industry,
and the blessings of a kind Providence, save a little
surplus capital, and which, though I laid it out with
a mind determined not to be hurt if it all was lost,
its natural to think of it.

I look at a Spanish bond for 1701., twelve divi-
dends due on it, 511., contracted, as there stated, by
the full powers of King Ferdinand. I then look at
a 2501. Portuguese bond, three dividends due,
181. 1.55., contracted as there stated, 1, Don John,
by the grace of God, King of the united kingdom of
Portugal, the Brazils, and Algarves—on this and
the other side of the seas ; in Africa, King of Guinea,
and of the conquest, navigation, and commerce of
Ethiopia, Arabia, Persia, India, &c., my general
bond for myself, my heirs, and successors, to all
whom it may concern. I then look at a Colombian
1001. bond, seven dividends due, 211., contracted as
there stated, by Manual Antonio Arrubla, and Fran-
cisco Montoya, Commissioners of the Government,
authorized by the Executive Power, the good faith
and honour of the nation pledged and bound in the
most solemn and authentic manner. I then look at
a 1001. mortgage Peruvian bond, eight dividends
due, 241., contracted, as there stated, by John Parish
Robertson, as agent, with full powers, ratified and
confirmed by the President and constituent Congress
of the Peruvian Republic. I then look at a Greek
bond for 1004, with six dividends due, 151., obligation
issued by virtue of decrees of the Legislature, appro-
priating all the revenues of Greece for its security.
If these small sums of surplus capital had by me
been laid out in merchandize,
' and shipped to some
foreign port—had the vessel containing it, with the
L

British flaJ "S',-1, been molested by a Spanish,
a 'ortuguese, Poruvian, or Grecian man-of-;
war, plundered of my goods as an Englishman, would
not the o,,vernirent of thi: country, in such a rage
have iusisted Upon r dre:Ssl and seen die remunerated
for all losses ? If one Englishman swindles itrititlitr I
out of his property; the laws protect him—shall fu-
ieigners then do it with imptiniiy ? If an insolvent
refuse to =tie out a stliedt.le Of his koodi and Chat-
tels, or makes out an unfair one, the laws VrOteet
his creditors from imposition, by punishing the in-
solvent—shall the mistress of the seas let her sons
be robbed by foreign insolvents, and require no ache_
dole of things available ? A bankrupt in England
is prevented from pursuing business withont a certia
ficate from his creditors—the Spanish, the Brazilian,
the Colombian Ambassodors, transact business with
the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and even
have the assurance to attend the levees of our most
Gracious Sovereign King George the Fourth.
If'the golden chain of justice, as in Agra, in the
time.of the Emperor Jehanger, was suspended from
the apartments of the King at Windsor Castle, I,
for one, would not forget to shake it, and rep'csent
the case of these Jewish transactions. I see no
difference in lending money, whether I lend it to a
countryman, or a foreigner whose Government is
recognised by my own, and on friendly terms. Were
it not for the Usury Laws, a greater interest would
be often given in:this country than in many of these
foreign transactions ; it is by commercial put,uits
England prospers, and I call lending money com-
mercial—your interest is your profit—the Usury
Laws did not affect the operation of Consols when
below fifty. The Directors of the fatal South Sea
scheme were severely fined, some to the loss of
nearly all their property ; surely then where the
bonds are so plain and clear, the public ought to be
protected from foreign sophistry. I should be sorry
to see the blood-hounds of war let loose, but I look
up to my Government as a Briton to see myself
righted, with thousands of my fellow-countrymen,
from the injustice of Foreign Powers, to whom I
have lent money on terms as agreed, having pur-
chased in Scrip, and paid by instalments, thinking
it to the advantage of my children, when they
arrived at years to want it. If there were no
effects application would be useless ; but there are,
and plenty; let our Noble Duke at the head of
affairs but just remonstrate on our behalf with
those concerned, and those millions which have been
taken from the industrious English will flow back
with interest for the good of the country, arid proVe
something to assist the exigencies of the times.
Trade being dull, and I having at present but just
enough capital to keep my present situation in life,
and having two sons nearly fit to commence, the
8491. 15s. divided between them, would enable them
to begin business in a small way, with comfort to
themselves. I can only say, Mr. Editor, lam a
plain straight-forward sort of a man, not in poverty,
nor in opulence, but comfortably situated, and
though I have written this, take my word I am not
uncomfortable on account of these Foreign Bonds,
which hold an interest; as when I speculate, it is
when I can spare a little without injury to my trade ;
and like looking at any article in my shop or ware-
house that stands upon hand, I look at these
Bonds, think of them, and wish to see the scales of
justice properly suspended with respect to the same,
and if you have a spare corner, and no objection, just
give these remarks to the readers of your very valua-
ble Paper; perhaps they may make an impression in a
useful quarter, where power may lay, to see the Eng-
lish public righted, and among the rest, your humble
servant,

A FOREIGN BONDHOLDER.

DUBLIN, DEC. 7.

(FROM A CORRESPONDENT OF A MORNING PAPER.)
I have received a letter from a gentleman of Wa-
terford. He describes this county as being in a
most dreadful and distracted state with regard to the
approaching election. It has been in this state
particularly since Mr. Henry Winston Barron has
intimated his intention of resigning. Mr. I'ierse
George Barron, a relative of his, has been called on,
by what is called the Independent interest, to op-
pose the Beresfords. Mr. Barron has written to
Mr. Stuart and to Mr. John MtP-grave, soliciting their
interests, and upon their answers will depend his de-
termination to oppose the Beresfords. Mr. H. W.
Barron offers to subscribe .500/. to support any " in-
dependent" candidate.
The dispute between Mr. Thos. Wyse and his
lady, Madame Buonaparte Wyse, has long been a
matter of notoriety. Upon Friday last Mrs. Wyse,
accompanied by her aunt, the Ex-Queen of Naples,
arrived in Waterford, with the hope, it is said, of
being reconciled to Mr. Wyse. When she reached
his house, she found that he had left Waterford for
Dublin. She then asked to see her children, but
they would not be shown to her. She and her dis-
tinguished relative, took up their residence at the
Hotel upon the Quay, and never was public sym-
pathy so strongly manifested in favour of any lady
as in her's. Not a day has passed since her arrival
that the Quay of Waterford has not been lined by
the carriages of the neighbouring gentry, who were
anxious to pay their respects to her. The hope of
a reconciliation between her and her husband will,
however, I fear, prove futile.

The present Lord Lieutenant of Ireland is
said to have made it a condition, at the time of his ap-
pointment, that his Viceregal reign should last but one
year. Lord JERSEY is now spoken of as the most pro-
bable! successor to his Grace.

It is conjectured that the health of the present
RECORDER so frequently interrupting his public duties,
and especially preventing his attendance on the KING in
Council, must necessarily lead to his very soon retiring
from office, in which we aro happy to hear Mr. DENMAN
will certainly be his successor.

A correspondent says that he hopes the state-
ment of a brother of MuNDEN, the actor, who is very
rich, having applied for parochial assistance, is incorrect :
we hope so too.—Morning Paper.

Our fashionable circles are engaged in discuss-
ing an elopement which took place on Monday. The
gentleman, Mr. W. LOCKE, who, according to report, is
thirty years old, and not possessed of a superabundance of
worldly means, arrived early in the morning ; at two
o'clock he returned, taking the road to London, accompa-
nied by Miss SELINA. TOLLEMACUE, of the tender age of
17, daughter of the Admiral of that name, now residing
here. The flight tieing discovered, Lord GEORGE LEN-
NOX set off in pursuit of the fugitives, upon whom he
alighted in London, and where, it is said, he persuaded
them to enter into the holy bands of matrimony, instead of
flying farther North for the same purpose. If the rumour
as to the state of the gentleman's funds be correct, his
Lordship's advice was beneficial in more than one point of
view.—Brighton Guardian.

In returning to this place, (Brighton), in a
chaise and four, on Saturday se'nnight, the LORD CHAN-
CELLOR bad reached the entrance of the town, not far
from the Hare and Hounds pubic-house, when, owing to
the darkness, a thick haze rendering the lamps compara-
tively useless, the postilions missed the line of road, and
after some ineffectual attempts to recover it, found them-
selves bewildered about the downs leading to the race
course. Fortunately no serious accident occurred, though
the carriage is stated to have narrowly escaped an
overturn in one or two instances, and of placing his Lord-
ship in a most unpleasant situation—that of Master of
the Rolls. Eleven o'clock had arrived before the carriage
could be brought to 16, Marine-square, where Lady
LYNDHURST was most anxiously awaiting his Lordship's
approach, baying suffered alarm at his absence.—Brighton
Guardian.

HUNTING INTELLIGENCE.

ATPOINTMENTS FOR THE ?RESENT WYLIE.

Mr. O'Kelly's Hounds, at Knowle ; Wednesday, at the
Kennel, Penlmry ; and Friday, at 131 indford Race-course.
The *ark atori Ainsty Fox Hounds, nn Thursday, a'
bti !gel add Saturday, at Orrea-Hammerton—at
1e,7;
Sir 'F. Sykes's tut Hotind4, onW,dnestla, Half-way
between Stamford-bridge and Oath fh1:614; and Friday;
at Torrington—at Ten.
The Marquis. of Cleveland's Fox Hounds, on Wednesda,
ac eettful ; Friday, at Ctaterick Lime-kiln ; and Satur-
day, at Alabrougli—:ai Fle*ea.
The Cleveland Fox Hounds, on 1.4.-i.4_nede'v. at Ruseherry
—at Ten.

The Ilaydon Hounds, on Wednesday, at Benkley Bank ;
and Saturday, at Langley Castle—at Nine.
'the Morpeth Harriers, on Thursday, at Stannington ;
and Saturday, tit the kennel—at Ten.
The Hoiderness Vox Hounds on Thursday, at Wands-
ford-bridge ; and Saturday, at 1114 e..-tot tietern
York City Hari lets, on Friday, near Shelter= alt Half-
past Tem
The Lanaluon fox Hotincis, on Thastlity,.at Holdforth-
bridge ; and Saturday, at Etribletoti-zat
The Doxford Fox Hounds, on Thursday, at bradtord
Whin—at Ten.

The Northumberland Foi Hounds, on Friday, at Mat-
fen—at Ten. _

The Boroughbridge Harriers, on Friday, at Norton-le-
Clay—at Half-past Ten.
Mr. Berkeley's Hounds, on Tuesday, at &els= -turn-
pike ; Thursday, at Paxton-hall ; and Saturday, at the
Kennel—at Half-past Ten.
The Blackmoot Vale Hounds, on Tuesday, at Stock=
hou.S; and Friday, at Corthorn•hill, near Sandford.
The Somersetshire Subseriptioir Fox Hounds, on Tues-
day, at Slowley Wood ; and Friday, at Raleigh's Cross.
The H. H., on Tuesday, at the Four taties, Beau-
worth ; Thursday, at Abbotsdon Down; and Saturday, it
Chilton Old-house—at Ten.

Mr. Drake's Hounds, on Tuesday, at Barton-common ;
Thursday, at Souldern-gate ; and Saturday, at Horton-
common—at Half-past Ten.
Mr. Bulteel's Fox Hounds, on Tuesday, at Newtm-
downs ; and Friday, at Shaugh-wood--at Ten.
The Worcestershire Fox Hounds, on Tuesday, at Froosne-
house ; and Friday, at the Green Dragon, Corse Lawn—
at Half-past Ten.
The Doddington Harriers, on Tuesday, at Cavalry
Barns; and Friday, at Fendike.
The Royston Harriers, on Tuesday, at Chishill Mill ;
and Thursday, at Kneesworth Tollbar—at Ha f--past Ten.
Mr. R'ick•ted's Fox Hounds, on Tuesday, at Bridge-
mere Guide-post ; and Friday, at Stoke Heath—at Half-
past Ten.
The Badsworth Fox Hounds, on Tuesday, at Kirby
Guide-post ; Thursday, at Skellow Grange ; and Satur-
day, at Acton Village—at Half-past Ten.
The Montgomeryshire Fox Hounds, on Tuesday, at
the New Bridges, near Llanymynech; and Friday, et the
Cock, Forden—at Tea.
The Hambledon Hounds, on Wednesday, at Hill Pound ;
and Friday, at Owselbury Down—at Half-past Ten.