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lianient. We have carefully examined the measure, and
we have ascertained that it is calculated to
,give additional
security to all the interestn,af the gate. My Lords, there
is another point to Which I wish to advert, as it contains
a charge against my colleagues and myself of inCon§istency
that charge has been made b r the No!qe t'.-nd Learned
Lord on the cross bench. I‘.l'y LOrtis, it is true that
have voted •aga.isi'L,t, this question, and so hive inany 'Of my
rat etgues ; and, my Lords, I must add, that iny
colleagues and myself deterinined !•.o aciOPt this measure,
we did so, with a deterit:natton to sacrifice ourselves and
our popularit`i to the duty which we owe to our 'Sovereign
&ad to the country at large.-4Cherfs..! knew very
well that if We had closet to put ourselves at the head of
the Proteatant of "No Popery," we should have be-
come nueb more popular than those who have raised the
of "No Popery" against us. But we felt that in
doing so we should leave a bUtthen by Which it must
ultimately be frame down ; and further, that we should
• deserve tht hate and execration of the'i:otintry.—(theers.)
The Noble Earl on the cross bench has alliided parti-
cularly to me, and has inentintteit the services which lie is
!good enough t,± say i rendered to the country. I must
tell the Noble Earl that I performed these services under
good repute and under bad repute, and that I was never
deterred from doing my duty because the cry of the coun-
try happened to be against nie at the thile.—(Cheers. )
Then, my Lords, I have been accused of Maintaining the
strictest secrecy pending this transaction. I Will tell my
Noble niend that that secrecy Was hot Owing to any want
of tnntesy on my part. I will tell the Noble Lord, in
the langnage of a Right Hon. Friend of his and of mine,
that he has thrown a large paving stone instead of throw-
ing a pebble. But, my Lords, I will pi further,
and say, that in making this charge the Noble and Learned
Lord has not dealt fairly with me. He knew how the
Cabinet was constituted, and how its feelings were upon
the present question. How, then, I ask, had I a right to
Kay a, single word to any man upon that measure until
I had ascertained the feelings and opinions of the first
and most interested person in the kingdom upon it ?
(Cheers.)—l say, my Lords, that before the Not le and
Learned Lord accused me of secrecy, of improper secrecy,
he ought to have known the day upon which I received
the sanction and approval of the Highest Personage in the
country.—(Hear, hear.)—There is, my Lords, one other.
point to which I wish to advert. I mean a charge made
against me by a Noble Earl, a friend of mine, for not
having at once dissolved Parliament. Now, my Lords, I
think the Noble Earl is mistaken in his calculation of the
benefits which would arise in his view of the question from i
the adoption of such a measure. I believe he is not quite
aware of the consequence of a dissolution of Parliament in
such a erisis. But, my Lords, when I knew, as I did and
do, the state of the Elective Franchise in Ireland ; when
I knew the number of men who were on the watch, even
at one election in Ireland, in the course of the last summer;
when I knew that such was the state of the country gene-
rally that a general election would lead to little short of a
civil war ;—I say that knowing these things, I should be
wanting in my duty to my Sovereign and to my country if
I advised his Majesty to adopt such a ineasure.—( Hear. )
My Lords, it is not my intention to detain your Lord-
ships any further, nor should I have said thus much were
it not that I was anxious to vindicate myself and my col-
leagues from some unfair and unfounded imputations.--
(Cheers.)
The Earl of ELDON never intended to cast the slightest
imputation upon the Noble Duke; what he did say was,
that it was his duty to have informed the country on the
subject, and he not having done so the country was taken
by surprise.—(Cries of " Spoke, spoke," and " Question,
question.")

Lord FALMOUTH rose to explain. He could not
allow the second reading of the Bill to be decided that
night without clearing himself from the imputation of
having attempted to excite any feeling against the Noble
Duke at the head of his Majesty's Government, as he hail
been charged with.—(Order, order ! Spoke, spoke !)
Then he would say, that if the Noble Duke—(Order !)
Earl GREY rose to order—Any Noble Lord was at
liberty to explain any misconception of an expression used
by him in the course of his speech. But no Noble Lord
had any right to urge, nor would the House waste its time
in hearing, any comment upon an explanation of a matter
which occurred elsewhere,---(Hear, hear.)
Lord FALMOUTH thought the Noble Earl had de-
parted a little from the usual courtesy of the House in—
(Order, order.)
Lord HOLLAND said, that never having sat in the
other House, he knew not what was the usage there ; but
he did know that in their Lordships' House, if the
statements of any Noble Lord were misrepresented or mis-
understood, he had a right to explain them, and the House
would take such explanation as the words used by him.
But when the Noble Earl rose to explain not the words he
had used, but motives and feelings unconnected with them,
he was clearly out of order, and ought not to proceed.
Lord FALMOUTH assured their Lordships that no-
thing had fallen from him calculated to excite any feeling
against the Noble Duke. He shuddered at such an impu-
tation, and indignantly repelled it.

The cry of " Divide, divide," then became gene-
ral—strangers were removed from the Bar, and
their Lordships divided.

The numbers were—
For the Original Motion
Proxies

Against the 11Iotion
Proxies

217

- 11 2
Majority for tl►e Second
Reading of the Bill
This announcement was received with tremendous
cheers, which lasted several minutes.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered
to be committed on Tuesday next.
At Twelve o'clock their Lordships began to dis-
perse. The excitement was more extraordinary
than any thing witnessed in Parliament for a number
of years.

-Several Noble Lords were seen to felicitate each
other on the auspicious Majority which spoke so
loudly the sense of the country.
This Majority completely decides the fate of the
Bill, which may now be said to have fairly passed
the Rubicon of factious opposition. Soon, soon
may its blessed effects be felt, and long may they
be enjoyed by a grateful posterity.

ELECTIVE FRANCHISE (IRELAND) BILL.
The second reading of the Elective Franchise (Ireland)
Bill was fixed for Monday next.

[As the carriages of the Duke of Wellington and some
other Noble Lords, who were either known or supposed to
be supporters of the Bill, passed from the House, the occu-
pants were loudly cheered by a considerable number of per-
sons who had assembled in front of the Lords' entrance.
But, alas, for poor popularity, the applause was given
merely by guess ; and we are inclined to think that cer-
tain Noble and Learned Lords, and other Lords opposed
to the measure, came in for their full share of this distin-
guished mark of their country's approbation.]