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the Sunday. lie was there on the Motiday. 111 r,
Jonathan Anclicw he did not recollect w have
,eco at the office on the Sunday. Thought (hut
',1..; not hurt) th,it he was there on the Alonday.
•Fhotight Air, Francis Phillips was not there on
the ti,nd,y. No eooversation took place on the
subject of 'he affidavit which he drew up of hiw-
•elt fir Phillips was there on the Monday, but
• hott;:ht he was not Fir-sent when the deposition
WHS Orli. Alr. it. Ent wisle rv,is not there on
the Smid.ty or the Monday. The drilling and
tiaining, t►u(l the way in which the persons coin-
ing to Manchesf.er o,ere to come, induced him to
make the affi.lavit. ‘Vas under considerable ap-
prehension of danger o❑ Monday morning, before

ten ►►'c!►-ck, from what he knew of his own

knowledge, and trout what he had heard from
He knew of the training, not personally,
but Iron) those who had seen them. He had seen
considerable numbers of persons coming into the
tarn that morning, and these, connected with
what he had been told of the training, created the
apprehension of which he had spoken. Saw no-
thing particular in the manner of those who came
towards Manchester that morning to excite alarm.
Those that he had then seen (before nitre in the
moreing) did not march or carry flags, banners,
or revolutionary emblems. His affidavit he had
sketched and lett at the Office, that it might be
copied and brought to him to be sworn. Sonic
alterations were made in it afterwards by witness
at his own suggestion. The dozen Gentlemen
did not sign it at the Police Office, but afterwards,
at Mr. Buxton's house. He stopped at Mr. Bux-
ton's house but a few minutes, and then he re-
' turned to the field where he had been before.—
The affidavit was to this effect :—that having
been infotmed of the trainings in the neighbour-
hood, and hearing that great bodies of men were
marching to Manchester, he was of opinion that
if th, y marched into the town with revolutionary
emblems, &c. he thought it would go to overawe
the town, and create confusion. This was to put
the Magistrates in possession of his opinions, and
those of other Gentlemen, leaving them to take
their own measures, for the purpose of enabling
them to prevent them from coming into the town. ;
This lie thought might be properly done, but did I
not suggest it to the Magistrates ; he left them to
act their owo discretion. Saw a nuniber of
persons standing before him at the meeting va'ith
sticks. One man near him had a bludgeon with
a large knob, which Ile held over his shoulder till
a man nodded and pointed to it, and then he
dropped it down. It was not shouldered like a
musket. The man that pointed had also a large
stick in his hand. Witness was not insulted or
assaulted. Could tint say whether the divisions
that lie saw march to the ground were generally
armed with sticks. The words be had heard Hunt
say at that tune were, " If our enemies won't
keep order, put them down, and keep them
down." Thought this was before the military
came, but was nut quite sure. Did not know that
any body was particularly pointed at when the
words in question were used.
Ite-examined by Mr. SCARLETT—Mr. Flout
might be ten minutes addressing the people; did
not catch all that he said ; conld not see the mi-
litary trout the position in w hich he stood ; made
his deposition before from information that he had
received of the character of the intended meeting,
but did not swear to it till after he had sten the
multitude arrive hi the way which he described.
Re-examined by Mr. limit—Remembered the
placard calling a meeting for the 9th contained a
proposition for some election of a legislatorial
attorney.

Mr. SCARLETT believed, that it watt to elect a
legislatorial member.

Mr. Hunt said, it was to elect a legislatorial
attorney, and citylested the Judge to keep Mr.
Scarlett decent.

The JUDGE was not aware that he had per-
mitted any thing indecent on the part of Mr.
Scariett.

SCARLETT hoped his conduct bad Hot been
other than decent from the beginning of the trial,
but he had submitted to what he thought was not
decent from Mr. Hunt.

John Willie (examined by Mr. Serjeant Hot,-
LOCK) knew Johnson, bad conversed with him
on. the subject of the meeting. Johnson had said,
the big men of Manchester thought putting it off
from the 9th to the 16th would do it away en-
tirely, but they were under a mistake ; for by the
16th, they (the Reformers) would be ready for
any soldiers that could be brought against them;
this was said in a public-house on the 6th of
August. Talking of the bidding and the'shoot-
ing of Mr. Hotstall, Johnson had said that he
knew that Mr. thirsts!l would be shot, for a party
of men had determined to. go to London and upset
the House of Commons, or .something of that
sort ; but they did out go then, because they were
not yet strong enough to provide fur their wives
and children, if they should he taken prisoners or
come to any harm.
Cross-examined by Johnson—Was a butcher ;
never acted as a spy in his life. Johnson had
conversed with him, as be had previously stated.
Never said to the Magistrates Johnson was going
to take the barracks by storm.
By Mr. Hunt—Was not drunk when the con-
versation in question took place; did not recollect
any other particular conversation. Said, after
Johnson was gone, that if Nadin had been there
he would have taken him up. Did not know
Johnson, till he was told by the landlord that that
was Johnson the brushmaker, the great Reformer.
Took no measures to have him apprehended.—
Never bothered his head with any such like.—
Johnson, though a stranger, told all this to wit-
ness and Slater. Part of it was addressed to wit-
ness, while Slater was out of the room. It was
that part about their " being ready by the 16th
for the soldiers." Slater and witness had talked
over this matter. Had heard Slater say, that he
was out of the room while that assertion was
made. Had wanted to hear what they could get
him (Johnson) to say. Never informed Nadin
of this. Believed he did not tell the landlord of
it that night. The landlord was waiting on his
company, and did not tell him of it. Could not
say when he first told Slitter.

Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant HULLOCK—Had
been sent for by Johnson, when passing John-
son's house one day, after he had been before the
Mogistrater went into his (Jobuton's) shop,

where there were three or four persons, and
Johnson said, " What, you've been before the
Magistrates ?" Witness said " Yes." Johnson
then told him be was a fool for going with the
beadle who had been sent for him before the Ma-
gistrates, without making hint show his authotity.
He then asked what bad taken place; witness
would not tell him there, but would tell him in
any private room, or Ott the York Inn, where they
could he by themselves. Johnson said he was not
ashamed of any one hearing about it. Witness
said he thought Johnson used him very ill to call
him into his shop before people whom he be-
lieved to he a lot of spies, and would not tell him
any thing.

Joseph Slater, examined by Mr. Serjeant CROSS
—Remembers Johnson being iu his house with
last witness on the 6th of August. Witness be-
;an by saying, that he understood that Johnson
and Nicholas Whitworth were to be returned to
Parliament. Johnson said it was all nonseme.—
Winless shortly after left the room. Johnson re-
mained with Slater. On his return they were
conversing about the murder of Mr. Horsfall, when
Johnson said, " Do you know, Mr. Slater, that
at that time there was a set of men determined to
go up to London and disperse the House of Com-
mons." Witness ridiculed the idea. " 0," but
said Johnson, " I know it for a fact, and it would
have been done bad the subscription been large
enough to keep their families while they were
away, or in case they failed." Witness laughed.
" Oh, but " says Johnson, " do you recollect
when Bellingham shot Mr. Perceval what confu-
sion there was ? There was Lord Castlereagh
scrambling out of one room, and Mr. Canning out
of another, and when Bellingham was taken they
were all ready to tear him to pieces ; and if one
could frighten them so, he (Johanson) Was sure
that it could be done." Johnson sheaved by ges-
tures bow they (the House of Commons) had
acted in their hurry on that occasion. Saw John-
son last Saturday week at his own house in Man-
chester. He (witness) was first coining to York.
Johnson said, " You will recollect that I said I
heard it for a fact." ‘Vitness replied, " No, you
said you knew it for a fact."

Cross-examined by Mr. Hunt—Witness kept
the Bay Horse. Johnson had told witness that
there would be a meeting on the 16th of August.
Willie said, when Johnson was gone, that " if Na-
din had been there he would have had him." Had
spoken to Willie on the subject repeatedly Since,
but never told witness what he (Willie) had to
prove what Johnson said while witness was out of
the room; nothing about Johnson's saying they
should be ready for the soldiers by the 16th of
August ; thought what he had heard from John-
son a foolish and wicked story ; Johnson was cer-
tainly speaking in eat-nest. Witness did not in-
form the Police of it ; it he were to communi-
cate, every foolish conversation that passes in a
public-house, he should do nothing else. Witness
and Willie had never compared notes.
By Mr. Hunt—Johnson went, on that occa-
sion, to witness's house, to look at a sow that
was about to bring some pigs, one of which John-
son was to have. Johnson then treated the re-
port of being about to become a Member of the
House of Commons as being false. On Saturday
week Johnson called on witness again about a pig,
and then told him (witness) that if he said no-
thing but what he (Johnson) had said, he (Slater)
would be a good witness for him. Never beard
him (Johnson) declare that he would overturn the
House of Commons, but he said that he knew
something of the kind I►ad been intended to be
done about the year 1812. Witness bad been but
once or twice to Mr. Norris and Mr. Milne since
his deposition ; went for his deposition that he
might see what he had sworn, but was told that
it was gone to London ; had never seen it since
he signed it.

Re-examined by M. Serjeant CROSS-Johnson
said he knew that it had been intended to over-
turn the House of Commons ; bad no reason to
believe that Johnson said there was to be no
election.

John Shawcross,examined by Mr. LITTLEDALB—
purchased.a newspaper, (produced in Court)
at the Office of the Manchester Observer, on the
31st of July.
Cross-examined by Mr. Hunt—Was Clerk of
the Police Office at Manchester; saw placards ad-
vertising the meeting called for the 9th August.
Believed, in consequence of that meeting being
prohibited by the Magistrates as illegal, that the
design was abandoned. The meeting called for
the 16th was not called in exactly the same words
as the former ; he believed that some of time bills
calling the latter had been taken down. A num-
ber of sticks, stones, pikes, flags, banners, and
caps of liberty, had been brought to York ; they
were in the care of Mr. Nadia.

Michael Fitzpatrick, examined by Mr. SCAR-
LETT—Attended a meeting held in Smithfield on
the 21st July. Mr. Hunt presided. Certain re-
solutions passed in the presence of Mr. Hunt.
Vs'itoess recollected receiving the resolutions
handed to him from Mr. Hum. Witoess was a Re-
porter for the New Times; stood on the left of Mr.
Hunt ; received them from Mr. Hunt's own hand.
He went with two other Gentlemen, one of whom
got so soused in the mud, that he was obliged to
retire. Witness was politely accommodated with
a place in the waggon by Mr. Hunt, who said he
was very glad to see him, as he thought witness
would give a fair report. The resolutions were
passed ; the most violent were the most ap-
plauded.
Cross-examined by Mr. Hunt—Had consider-
able difficulty in getting to the hustings. Was so
tar alarmed that he put on his worst coat, but did
not know that he felt any personal alarms. Saw
no violence. Had been at many meetings where
he (Hunt) had presided, and no acts ut violence
had come within his personal observation. Re-
collected the arrest of Harrison. Those on the wag-
gon, or that side of it by which the officers catered,
saw it,hut thousands there, be was ofopinion, might
know nothing about it, it went on so quietly. Could
not say whether or not Harrison had previously
spnken ; believed that he had. Recollected Mr.
Hunt had said, '' There's Brown or Wontner
come to arrest Harrison--will you let him go ?"
and with a good-humoured shrug told Harrison
that he had better go quietly, or words to that
effect. Recollected that Mr. Hunt had said, he
would gu if they sent for hint. Nut the least tit,-

knee %T. as offered. Harrison, witness
asked advice of Mr. Hunt, and Wal told to go.
quietly. Received the resolutions from Mr. Hunt,
who was particularly desirous of accommodating
witness, as he came from the New Times. %Vit•

ness had no idea of producing them against bias
(Hunt) in a Court of Justice. Thought lie bad
asked for a copy, and that he received them while
they were in the act of being read. Would not
say that any of them bad then been put 8410;
Could not recollect whether or not they were resd
from a printed copy. Knew Mr. Orton. Never
heard him communicate what he bad seen of th 4
proceedings at Alanchester. 5
Re-examined by Mr. SCARLETT—Had often it:
tended meetings where Mr. Hunt presided 11191
retired before they concluded. Violences
have occurred which he had not seen. Believed
that the Spafields Meeting was the first of Oa'
that he bad attended. It was impossible for the
resolutions at Smithfield to be heard by more thellz
a tenth part of the meeting.
The resolutions were theta read from a ttewspe
per of the 22d July, 1819.
Witness had the copy of the resolutions gives
to him, while another copy was being read to the
meeting, and found them to correspond exactly.
Mr. Hunt objected to the printed paper being
received as evidence, as he had been served with
no notice to produce tfle original manuscript.
The Junta held that they could be received►
as no evidence had been given of the existence
of the original manuscript ; but he noted the oh'
jection.—Here the case for the prosecution ciolia4
DEFENCE.
Mr. BARROW objected that the evidence did not
go to prove that Jones arid Moorhouse bad cone
mitted the offence described its the indictment.
That they had been guilty of the unlawful, als"
licious, and seditious offence charged against
them, was by no means so far borne out by the
evidence produced, as to send their case to
Jury.

The JUDGE held, that it would be for the Joni
to decide, whether the meeting was or was not
illegal i and whether those two defendants were
there as innocent spectators, or as partisans.-""
Though the malicious and seditious intentions
charged in some of the counts might not prove to
be borne out, he was not prepared to say that
there was nothing proved against those two per'
sons that ought to go before a Jury.
Mr. BARROW then proceeded to address the
Jury on behalf of Jones and Moorhouse.
was proceeding to notice, in terms of praises 4
printed report of part of the trial in a London
newspaper, when
The JUDGE said, he was sorry that this hi
been brought forward, and that any part of ta4
proceedings had been published.
Mr. BARROW submitted to the Jury, that rhea,
evidence proved the impossiblity of Mr. Jones End
Mr. Moorhouse having acted as leaders in the fro'
ceedings of last August. He went over the evi'

dense affecting Mr. Moorhouse, and strongly it':
slated on the improbability of his having advance°
towards Manchester for the purpose imputed t°
him, when the situation of that person was cot''
sidered—when it was considered that he was die
father of eleven children, and that he was arsons'
paaied by his wife far advanced in a state at preg'
nancy. Mr. Moorhouse was then described tx4
heading the Stockport patty on the 16th. Tile
fact was, that he, the proprietor of the stage
that runs from Stockport to Manchester, WO
riding on the box of his own coach frail'
the former to the latter placel and arrived it
Manchester at the hour when his gage virB4
due, to set down his fare in that town.
Moorhouse had afterwards been accomtor
dated with a seat in an open carriage by the f 0;
liteness of Mr. Hunt, through circumstance
(which the Learned Gentleman explained), 1t
Mr. Moorhouse did not go on the hustings.
bad neither done mischief nor intended to "s°o
mischief. He was connected with more of
illegal proceedings charged to have takeli
place, but by the accidental circumstances °
his having preceded the Stockport dieisio°l
and passed along with Mr. Hunt in a coach."l
The case of poor Jones he considered
one of great hardship. Mr. Orton had see;
him at the hustings, and described hint %
have addressed the people, exhorted them to
peaceable, and told them of some of the Committer
having directed those round to link their arulg;
and stand six yards back from the stage, otherwl4e
their enemies might come in among them. Wherj
was the Committee ? Had the evidence connee(e4
him with any Committee ? No : the ring forolfo
was only intended as a barrier to keep of n
crowd. He could not afford to put up a vg00440
rail; for poor Junes was but to have 255. for 11,1
job, that of erecting the hustings, and was oblige
to borrow the boards of which it was fortred„f
which boards he was in great danger of
The money had never beet' paid. With rese,
to the character of the fleeting, he could not ts.
derstand, it the object of it were legal, how au
bers could make it unlawful. Who, if nuttOer
were to be the guide, would say where owletbo
ends, and where disorder begins It was fit
the line should be thawu somewhere, and 0%
mould take upon himself to say when the toinjj
bers of a meeting were complete ? The part acted
by Jones in addressing a crowd assembled to (testo,.
Orator Hunt, he treated as a foolish frolic. ie,
which he had suffered enough to make hint r
spect the old maxim—" Let not the colder
.og
beyond his last." He then read the follo0",,..
paper from Moorhouse, addressed to the Jutrrej
"My Lords, and Gentlemen of the Jury—l am 411. 'it.,
PO
with combining, conspiring, confederating, and agree'
od
overthrow the Government of this country by (force of
threats, Now, Gentlemen, lam persuaded, if there be it,
such combining, conspiracy, confederating, and agrecirThe
will be found to be my prosecutors ;it will be they thatµ to
found guilty of that most a'uosiiriable crime, conil'illi4v oft
deprive me of my liberty, and fur what I know not.
that
Gentlemen, you will be surprised when I inform you. °noir'
of the persons with whom I ant charged with having e° i•
ed, &c. viz. Smith, Wild, Jones, Bamford, and 11c41:0,41s
never in my life was in company with, until the day °g ,46
we were all brought into Court together, which I belleo
ep
on the 27th of August last; I shall therefore, I think' he
titled to your acquittal of conspiring along with thorn",
0,01
respect to Mr. Knight, Mr. Julinson, and Mr. Sasto3p '-.1;
exchanged half dozen words with any one of