The Sun.
London, England, 1816-06-21 00:00:00

GAS LIGHT

On the gnestion for the third reading of the
Gas Light Bill, Mr. Josins said a few words
against the BM.

.Alderman ATKINS -thought, that' if the
House passed this Bill, they would destroy the
whole of the whale fishery. Lie therefore moved,
as an amendment, that the Bill should be lead a
third time this day three months.
-Mt CAWTLIORNE seconded the amendment, and.
spoke against the Bill.
Lord COCURANE spolse against the Bill, and re-
ferred to the evidence taken before the Commit-
tee, to prove the valne of the Greenland whale
fishery, that by passing this Bill it would be de-
stroyed ; and he also quoted the evidence of the
Officers
.of the Gas Light Company, to prove that
the Company could never sneered"
Houttis ticleitded the Bill, and' animad-
verted on the inconsistency of the arguments of
its opponents.

The House was then cleared for a division ; but
we understand they did not divide, and the Bill
was read a third time. During our exclusioo frail
the gallery, several clauses were moved as amend-
ments, which were agreed to and added to the

The OnAtvoetion of the EiCHEQUER said, that
the 'general queSiiotr having been already- pretty'
fully-discogsed, he only felt hiolself called upon to
say a very feW Words•with ri,spect to the Amend
melt moved by his Hon. Friend. The House
must be fully rware that it could not: be polsible
that any petson conld' 'fill the office and perform
all those ditties connected with it, which requited '
constant daily, perhaps hourly, attendance, un-
less he had•some person appointed under him to
transact those parts of the busineSs whith'it was
necessary to go throng') at times, when it would'`
be impossible for the principal to 'be present,'
owing to those interruptions which 'would of ilia.'
solute necessity occur. Frotn what his Hon.
Friend had said 'this day, and on former otea.
.5 kuni, he supposed that his objection to the ap.
pointment of a Depiity wits not only on aCeount
of saving the expettee of his salary to the public,
but alsO on the question, whether the Vicejrrea.
surer was to considered as so completely occu*.
fi
pled by the n.ore immediate duties of of ce,
that he could not sit in Parliament, nor.. be allowed
to leave Ireland at all. for his (twit 'part; he'
thought very differently on, this stiliject ; he was"
convinced that the Houk would ill provide fOr
the discharge of the ditties of the offiee.if they did
not give the Vice. Treasurer a- seat in Parliament ; -
add that to refuse hint a seat in the House would
be so tar detriMental to the.publie h'ereice. But
the question' now before the Hitse, in eonse.
quenee of the Amendment moved by his Hon.
Frielid,in no way affected the expicliency of giv-
Vire-Treasurer a scat in Parliament.
Then as to the question of appointing a Deputy
if there was any point on which they were all
agreed, it was that the duties of the office Would
require incessant attention, and hourly attendanca
stt the public ()nice. It was not denied that the
assistance of a Deputy would be absolutely neces-
sary on many occasions. The simple queition,
then, on which the Houie bad tr) decide was
Whether, whets the salary of the Vice-Treasnree
bad been reduced to 20001. a year, it .should fur-
ther -be charged with the salary of the Deputy?
To this question his Hon. Friend applied an ar-
gil:molt more- ingenious than Solid, by referring
to the decisions of the House respecting.exiSting
sinecure places, and to the proceedings of• a Com.
mittee, the labours of which were now going on.
lint he must beg to deny any such reasoning as
applicable in the present c.ise, When the question
before the House was' as ter' hat hid been.
done, but what, with reletince to the office in trues.
tion,it s'. Otlidbe expedient and necessiaryto do? Now
with respeet to the-amount of the saltrry to he given
to the Downy, he begged to observe that it was not
fixed .at 10001. a-year,' as had lieen erroneously
s'titted , On the contrary, it was intended to leave
the amount of his lA:try to the discretion of Go.
vernment.—(Hear, hear ! from the Opposition.)
As to the other patt of the argument, he must
(1,21Ay th2t the active dude: of the oilice would
beeittrust ed to the Deputy, if he was to be paid
by the public'. It was inten,lef! Os" all the du-
ties.Of the oilice,-in ordinary C'ascs, shouldbe per.

. •
Ortried .by attd that the neOtit y
should be entrusted \title the discharge of than
• 4hnly when the absence of the Principal was tie-
`cessary and unavoidable, consistently with advans
lage to the public service. The Principal would
have nll the responsibility of the discharge of the
duties ; and he would ask whether the pnblic ser-
vice was most likely to be well performed on the
responsibility of a pritiiipal who was answerable for
• the conthict of his deputy, or by a principal whts
waaolsligedi outnf his small salary, to pay for as-
' si3taitee in the pirformattee of his duties ? (The
Right Hon. Gentleman concluded with an argu-
*Meht to overturn the assertions which Might he
made as to any increase of the influence of the
`t'rown front the proposed appointment, but he
'spoke in so low a tone of voice as to be inaudible
in the gallery.)
• Mr. TIERNEY wished the house to Observe, that
-'the Sinecure; which it was now intended to create,
teas not an office to be held- for lile ; 10 this re-
spect it was worse even than the great iiiietuiTS
which now existed, and which would expire With
the lives of thoie whn held them ; but it was to
be an office to be held during the pleasure of the
:Crown. There was only one word more which he
wished to say before the House went to a division
irtn the question. They most understand that they
•were not called upon by Ministeta to vote for a
salary of 10001. a-year to the Deputy---•ilhat was
not to be the amount of the 'salary. The C.,'llartt•
Cellar of the ExChequer hart been candid enough
to tell them plainly it was not, but that the amount
was to he what the Treasury pleased. Now he
,would ask, whether the public was to be bur-
dened with this salary, merely to enable the Vice-
Treasurer to, quit Ireland, for the purpose of
Coining to vote in this House ? If the House
voted this, he would say, that there would not
be one man in England who would nut understand
the ground on which it was voted. The truth
teas, that the agitation of this question had.
brought Ministers into a great strait ; and. it had
now come to this question, whether le House or
!be Ministry were to be disgraced in theeyes of
the people ; and he would ask those who intended
to vote for Ministers, whether they would like to
return to their Constituents and ask them to par-
ticipate in the feelings which dictated their vote?
Lord CASTLEREAOII.—The appeal which bad
been made to the House by the Right Hon. Gent.
who had just sat down, was too much in his
usual style to make it necessary for him to expose
to the House that,artifice with which they were
already well enough acquainted.-•••(Hear, bear !)
His Majesty's Ministers, in bringing the present
. question before 'the House, had acted according
to their duty, in submitting it to their considera-
tion as a part of the great arrangement which had
been so long contemplated. They did not submit
the question to the House merely as relating to
the pecuniary expellees of the proposed office; but
as thinking that ,on the constitutional practice
which gave to Members of the Government the
privilege of sitting in Parliament for the purpose
• of supplying the House with such informa-
tion and Ovine, such assistance in their pro-
teedings as enabled them to act up to their du-
ties as the great Council of the Nation—as
'thinking that in this view it would be expedient
end necessary for the peblic service to give the
Officer in (petition a seat in the House. As to
the question of appointing. a Deputy, the 11.4 ht
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) who 'laid down
the rules on this subject to the House, had on a
former occasion stated, that when be held the
office of Treasurer of the Navy, he at least had
the merit of, of not embarrassing his Deputy in
managing the business of the office. But then
the Hight lion. Gentleman did not think be was
the less entitled to his salary of 40001. as Trea-
surer of the Navy, because the duties of that
office were principally discharged by his Deputy;
for the Hight Hon. Gentleman well knew, that
in his capacity of a Privy Councillor, the impor-
tant services which in that capacity he must every
day render to the State entitled him to this remu-
neration. Now, he would defend. the office now
in question exactly on this footing. He was aware
that the only question now at issue was that of
the Deputy but on it depended the other, whe-
ther the Vice-Treasurer should have a seat in Par-
liament. If it should he denied him, the represen-
tation of the Government of Ireland would be an-
nihilated in the House. Ile contended that there
' was no creation, but a modification of offices.
The measure wes one of economy, and would re-,
three the influence of the Crown. Even should
the Vice-Treasurer be allowed a seat in Parlia-
Ment, the reduction of Parliamentary Officers con-
sequent on the Consolidation of the Exchequers,
would amount to five. In fact, out of twenty
Irish placetnen, there would only be seven in'the
noose. It was essential to the Irish Government
that they should have some assistance in Perha-
m-eta besides the Chief Secretary.
'Mr. STUART WoRTLEY Could not deny. that it
might be serviceable fur the Irish Government .to
have such an :Officer in the House. He might,
however, pay his own Deputy on cheaper terms
than the Government could.
Mr. 3. W. WARO acknowledged that the duty
of the !louse was to check excessive expenditure
and the influence of the Crown, but he thought.
that in the present instance the jealousy expressed
.by the Gentlemen 'opposite was unfounded. As
they had asisomeil an accusatory tone, he thought
it his duty to explain the reasons on which he
should support the appointment proposed. He
then expressed his acquiescence with. the teue,and
futility view' taken with the subject by his Noble
Friend (Lord Castlereagh). The only proper
mode wits, toteduce as many of the official situa-
tions of Ireland as, possible, and to allow the per.
'sons bottling the vest to have seats in. the House.
He contended, that neither our Constitution nor
any free Government in the world could go on if
placemen were excluded from Parliament. This
measure, in fart, might be called' one to carry pa.
;ideal reform into effect.. If the Gentlemen op-
pi:site came. once more into power. he hoped they
tvotsltl make no alteration its if, and still less bring
in a 11111 to citable the Vices Treasurer to hold a
situation intended to controul bins.
The Hon. Mr. Lss sa charged the Hon. Gen.
liana') wit II having cast sarcasms upon thole with
whom he had hitherto constantly voted. He had
reproved the measure adopted by them for ena-
Win Lord Grenville to bold the office of Auditor

of the Eiebeciiiesi, but that wawa tad teen
passe:l when be had a seat in the House, and with
perfect consent on hii' iiavt. He enn:gratula—ted
him on The new light Which had' broken
and the new company with which he `iniked.
then supporteil the Amendment.
f '
Mr. W. WARD explained that he believed
he wail out of town when the measure respecting
Lord Grenville had passed.
The House then divided—
Noes
Aye 5...........

Majority for the Original Clause....
Tor the iemainaer of the House of Comnions ajee the Las'
Page.]

FRENCH PAPERS,
[RECEIVED THIS MORNING.]

PAnis, JUNE 18.—The King at the time of his
first interview with the Duchess of Berry, present-
ed to her successively the Duke of Berry, Mtm-
tient, and, the Duke d'Angtmleme ; but when he
initned the Duchess d'Angouleme be made use of
this expression : " behold my consoling Angel."
Yesierday at eleven iu the morning the tables.
of the ChiimPi Elyses were covered with pro-

Which were distributed to the public at
The greatest order was preserved .at this
diStriliution; tithrch has caused among poor fa-
milies a joy epee! to that tellich reigns to the
Royal Famiiy.
NUREMBERG (gAVARLO; JUNE 10.—It is de-
termined upon that the terriiory of the Duke of
Saxe.Coburg shall be increased cm the side of
Saalfeld. The negotiations upon this subject are
already far advanced. The King of I;riiiiia• Is to
yield to this hOuse that part of the circte Of-Nu-
remberg upon the borders of the Saal, in Pliil.
conia, which composed a part of the kingdom of
Saxony before the year 1 t 3.15. Tito great Sovereigns
interest themsel% es for the Duke of Saxe:Coburg.
This Sovereign Prince of Germany, who: k undei
the protection of Russia and F,ngland,. is about
tObe married to the Princess, Louisa, only daughter
of the reigning Duke of Saxe.Gotha. TbeDuke,
who is without any male heir, has en only brother,
Prince Frederic, who is now at RoniN, aild is not
married ; so that atter the death of the Duke and of
his brother; the estates of Saxe-Gotha will again
fall to the Duke of Saxe-Coburg.

It is reported that the greatest harmony exists
between the King and all the Dukes of Saxony.
These last behaved with the greatest delicacy to-
wards his Majesty in 1813 and 1814, when he was
overwhelmed with misfortunes.

There is some doubt of die marriage between
the Prince Frederic of Saxe,. eldest son of the
Prince Maximilian, and nephew of the King, and
the Archduchess Leopoldine, youngest daughter
of the Emperor of Austria. Prince Frederic is
the eventual successor to the Throne of Saxony.