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xow,st eT.). The vessel also coetained 100 boxes of salmon. cies the safety of the State was the supreme law, to
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tt such, an extensive impottetion were to be ex- which every other considsration should yield. But inequality
prastie would like to ask where that country was which and injustice so gross as were admitted to exist in that tax
eo'itiPPlY it? He had looked over the imports and ex- . were evils ss great, that extreme necessity alone could bead
4eni 'woe of the countries of the north of Europe. them to sanction suil a measure. If the tax was unjust' in
e toe_ inland the imports were 1,139 head. Prussia was substance, its mode of collection was not less oppressive. The
elt•rt- which both imported and exported; but the import , Right Hon. Baronet appeared, on a formerioccasion, to lean
eeeete very largely exceeded the export in any one year. very `fore tan opinion expressed by the Fiore and Learned
%Zeit! the number of oxen, steers, cows, and calves imported Member 'Bath (Mr. Roebuck), an entnion which he
40.:152 head, the exports amounted to 8,197 head, being believed was somewhat of this kind, that no hone•t men should
uest.e of imports over exports nf 11,551. In 1829 the im- be afraid to state openly and honestly the amount of his pro-
fv re 20,342, the exports 7,971, being an excess of im- perty. But was that a general feeling ? Was it not a fact
er exports of 12,371. In 1839 the imports were that people in this country felt ashamed to make an avowal ot
head and the exports 9,0 'os being an excess. on the s peverty ? Was it not a fact that men were anxious to look
tpeeelB,939. In 1831, which was a year in which little well in the eyes of the world? And did net
theeetati on took place, and for which he could not account, that feeling prevail among that class in particular
bei,,,,eapi,rts only amounted to 13,000 and the imports toSse,ooo, upon whom the proposed tax would press most severely ?
"- an excess of imports over exports of upWards of 5,000. Was it not a fact that half of their lives was passed in a coil-
" then
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1153,, e, e importation into Prussia amounted in 1828 to slant strueg'e against their poverty--in a constant strugele 'to
hn.,l U 0 head, and the experts 76,464, being an excess ef appear a little above their real means ?If thi3 were the case,
Weil. over exports of 134,928. He would not trouble the it would be to no purpose to say that a little philosophy would
iereewith the details, but the excess of imports over exports raise men above those feelings. While these were the feein,ri
amounted to. 141.000; in 1830, 126,i 00; and in 1831 1 which people entertained, it would be cruel todespise fly m. eor
te,0"!,000. Swine was also in proportion to that number. 1 his part he should no more think it advaable to interfere with
ipetuathis it would appear that Prussia was not the country to such feelings than that when he was in In fa, he should treat
large quantity of cattle to this country. In Denmark , disrespectfully that feeling among the native women of rank
,7(..1 that the amount of exports in, 1836 to the whole that it was a deeradation that they should be seen unveiled, or
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4113 28,000 head of oxen, 5,000 cows, 6,900 calves, and that they should be seen talking with men. He knew that
11;;Pigs. Let any person co"sider these statements, and the fr cling was unreasonable, and he did not share it.—( A
N.:ae thee the apprehensions which had been raised were laugh.) But he did think that in legislating for a people he
',nit lottery. He did not think that the proposed measure was bound in, comn on humanity not io treat their prejudices
lot the
reduce meat a penny per pound.' He ventured to trete. with contempt. He would appeal against the authority of the
toti,:ne House with these figure 3, considering it to be his duty, Right Honourable Baronet, and against the authority of the
its as he was with a large agricultural county celebrated Hon. and Learned Member for Bath, to the authority of one
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tes Progress in farming and agricultural pursuits. He did of the greatest moral philosophers, and certainly the greatest
tles-ailay the fears and alarms of persons conceded with writer upon political economy that ever lived—
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lie Pursuits. These statemen:s he felt convinced would he meant Adam • Smith.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.)
ni,iiteceived by them, for they came from an His declaration on that subject was strong, distinct, and expli-
*Peeled quarter. In France the imports of live anirualsin cit. Hv said, that a tax on income could be raised only by
%,.....artiounted in value to 537,0001. ; the value of exports, means of an unusual investigation into income, and such an in •
he", ,411. *hewing an excess of value of imports over exports of vestigation would necessarily he felt as more grievous than any
4147'81. It was not then from France that they had to dread tax whatever. Here, then, they had a tax, admitted to be in
"iodation of cattle into the English markets ' He believed its own nature, and in substance, unjust ; pronounced by the
Serklf any part of Europe was likely to supply the English greatest authorities, and felt by the body of the people, to be in
eljl• it would be Holstein and Denmark ; and even from the mode of collection, the most vexatious of all taxes. This,
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would be at a great disadvantage, as a great part of the then, was a tax which should be resorted to only in the last
fessdr-Ilse was closed by frost, and many months it was ex- extremity. Did that extremity now exist? He denied that
the t,° severe storms. With respect to the timber duties, he it did. He conceived that the Right Flora Gentleman who
ie.e!i a the alteration would give general satisfaction. There carried this point on Fridsy did not succeed in making out such
theert a large meeting ir. Sunderland on the subject, called a case. • With regard to the question of Affghanistan_, he
lie het Purpose of passing a vote of censure on the pioposition of • thought it was no more than the truth to say, that though the
the ti • Hon. Bart. That meeting was attended by a very influen- Right Hon. Gentleman made a rhetorical use of that topic, y t
tee, tuber merchant of the town who proposed the first resold- what he said on the subject could be regarded in no other light
tetrip ut he found a seconder, but no supporter, and an than as mere sophistry.—(" Ora oh ! from the Ministerial
Ric 'meat was proposed and carried. He (Mr. Liddell) benches.) "Du you say," said the Right Hen. Gentleman,
ex: the saute time well aware that a very strong feeling " that there are no disasters? Was there ever such a disaster
Pr:'On the proposed change in the timber duties. There as this ?" And then, with great feeling, and, he had no 'doubt,
,'IY one more point to which he would allude, in order to with deep, sincere feeling, such as they must all entertain, he
terre the House for a f urther notice on the subject. There exclaimed, " Was there ever such a disaster—ever anything
iltle proposition of the Right Honourable Baronet heard of like this—a whole army perishing, only one, two, or
lie which he could not agree. (Loud ironical cheers.) I three persons, out of a great army, escaping to tell
lode prepared for that cheer. He alluded, as the the tale of its destruction; and yet you talk of this
titeli: would anticipate, to the proposed duty on coals. There Ls no extremity."—( Hear, hear.) He believed that in one
Irse (_ be another opportunity, when that part of the subject sense no person could feel more deeply than himself that this
itisrfore the House, for him to make such observations upon event was a deep and painful digests r ; not from any feelings
tta, Ts duty demanded. He merely alluded to it then to show such as those which an Hon. Member on the other side had at-
et; t"e proposition of the. Right Hon. Baronet had not his tempted some time ago to excite on that (the Opposition) side
'e support, With regerd to his proposition with respect tof the House ; for even if .he did not consider that expedition
ettfisalle he could not agree. At the same time he was per- defensible, and that was not a time for examining the question, •
Killing to say that nothing could be more fair than the he bore no share in the responsibility ; lie was nor even in tear-
lt,.`ll-oe upon ,which the Right Hon. Baronet imposed that liament when the expedition was sent; he was not in office till
eo, His intention in rising to address the House had been the expedition was over and Shah Soojah dethroned. • Tnere.
t4;' the purpoee of removing what he considered a visionary fore, in anything which he said on the subject, he spoke. With-
tel, and he thanked. the House for having so patiently heard
to out any sense of personal responsibility. But. if every person
who lad real that sto-y, if even foreigners who had read it; and
Nil. RIGBY WA SON said, sufficient fir the day was the foreign ..rs entertaining no friendly feeling towards this country,
lieto;!ereof.—( Laughter.) He should most certainly dectne were melted into sympathy, what, he might ask, must be the
lit,V4g the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. feelings of one who had been on terms of friendly intercourse
4,..„Poght there were strong reasons why the. Right Hon. with the braveandhonourable men who had been butchered, and
ttseueulan should reconsider this proposition, and he would with the amiable women now at the mercy of the murderers of their
tietl the Right Hon. Gentleman that there was a great husbands ?—(Hear, hear.) He could safely say that no public
event. which. had ever occurred had given him so much pain.
hp genes between a property and an income tax ; this diffe-
D.isastrons in
.that sense, indeed—disastrous if they talked of
tei, had been recognised by Mr. Huskisson, and he had eie
, disgrace to their arms—disastrous if they talked of the do-
apt itleonaes derived from industrial sources and funded pro-
ti,,,Ye were very• different, and should not be equally taste I. brave men who had fallen—irretrievably disastrous if they
!ise,!'olen opposite had asserted that they were similar, but thought of the feelings of some who were living—disastrous
in ail these respects all must admit. the event, to have been.
e'"ori -was not proof, and they had not adduced one proof
to
their assertion. He thought that real property But they were then to deal with it purely as a financial ques-
,eu be taxed, but industrial incomes certainly should go free. tion ; and the courage, the tremendous loss of life, the suf-
tn"s not going to treat this question as a party question; he fering and wretchedness of the few who survived it, should not
ltiene of those who cheered the Right Hon. Itoronet when he Le introduced into the debate for the purpose of aggravating,
what he pro-
titltehat the time was come when property should bear the for the purpose of exaggerating. That was
nounced an unfair, sophistical, and rhetorical. use of this great s,t:IS of the State; little did he then think that the Right
Lott tiaronet was going to subject them to this odious im- calamity.—( Cheers from' the Opposition.) • The question
(eel he had erred in thinking that there was a wide which they were then to discus, was not a question of cala-
1140'etion between a property and an'income tax, he had erred natty —the question was the income tax, as it affected pounds, shil-
‘iiiktn'nOn with the landowners of Dumbartonsht:e and Ayr. lings, and pence. lie would ask was it in the contemplation of that
who, in the year 1798, had clearly expresses! their calamity that the Right Hon. Gentleman brought on his in-
ns on the subject. The Right lion. Gentleman the come tax ?—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear," from the Opposi-
likeeilor of the Exchequer had asked them if it would not be Con.) Was it not altogether an after-thought? This event,
Ikhato tax the professional man who earned 8 or 10,0001. which was put in the fore front when the income tax was to
ltst and the Right ,Hon. Gentleman said that no tax was be justified, was it even known when the income tax was de-
ei'e.Lfhe (Mr. Wason) had to choose between two species of termined • upon 2—(Cheers from the Opposition.) 'Had the
should say that it was better that the professional Right Hon. Gentleman thought it necessary to add a single
1% , 3v!th Bor 10,000/. a-year should go untaxed, than that the farthing to his Ways and Means in consequence of that cala-
e,l4',th a miserable pittance of 1501. or 2001. -a-year should nifty? And if he had not thought it necessary to make an
11: 41e" to contribute es) large a sum towards the maintenance • addition of a single farthing to his Ways and Means, in conse-
% state. All taxes that had )et been proposed pressed uuenee of that disaster, how could he call it, financially speak-
tetthe working classes, but no tax, inquisitorial lug, a great and unparalelled disaster—a disaster such as
s,w^h some of them were, such as the window tax was never known in the history of this country ?—( Hear,
411,4 so inquisitorial and so odious as this. He hear.) And though no information had been received from
t4piL4t a notice on the paper, which he meant most certainly the Secretary at War, they were not altogether without the
ttlar's'to a division. The Right Hon. Gentleman had re- means of judging what would be the effect of the disaster in a
4'them
tlen, to exert themselves ; they would do so ; the dc- financial point of view. Of course he (lid not mean to say that
itef'Y.was two and a half millions, and why should three and he could produce an exact estimate, or anything approaching
itteitions be added to it? He thought the experiment of to an exact estimate of the charge, but he could form some-
hit, 'Olt Hon. Baronet, re'ative to the timber duties, was thing like an opinion. It was the ordinary course for the
kseettulealled for; he slid not depreciate the benefits which estimates to be brought in, and the supplies voted, before the
pieresulc from that, but he did say that this was not the Ways and Means were provided. Not having at present any
155. 1-5 reduce the duties on timber, arid to impose an income estimate of the amount he could only say that he felt firmly
t`tl6l had set on the paper that this tax was most inquisi- ' satisfied that nothing could be more futile than to cons'
t,li' but the Right Hon. Gentleman said that he would do any comparison between the charge which' this esisastrous event
was likely to lay upon the country, arid the charges even of
,4•44‘4the could toalleviate that. What was said, in 1816, by
`ti,jee',olkestone ? That Nobleman said that this tax was the cheapest Europ 'an war—the charges
.of the last war it would
li~ee i 0 princip e and inquisitorial in practice, and if they re- be idle to talk of in comparison. His opinion was most strong
Nilt"llainquisitorial character it would no longer be an in- and decided, as far as lie could see, that the Government we e
i; and Lord Brougham had expressed a similar at present taking a very bold and spirited course. lie knew
tea" He had set en the paper that this tax was nothing of the subject except what he saw in the public prints,
J'Sitt:` immoral one ; and, in proof of this, he ' but it appeared from all the information which he had oh-
rie Ilform them that in 1815 there were 11,003 appeals to i tamed, that they were taking most vigorous measures for for-
-I,ooo'lurnission in consequence of surchargee, and of th-se warding troops to the seat of the war.—(Hear, hear.) In all
' 7,000 did not appear, allowing thEmselves rather to be such measures they should have his full and cordial
us •
wed upon than subject their atfairs to pubiie invetigation. support, as much so is though he sat on the other 'side of the
114 t °4ld make one more observation before he sat down, and House. No sum of money, which was bona fide necessary for
t,j, was, that the Right Hon. Baronet, whilst he did not do that purpose, would 'be refused. He did not, however, antici-
N,tLii,e himself, must take care that injustice was not tom- pate, if ordinary rigour and prudence were shown, any disas.
Itetl by others ; he must take care that he did not allow the trous consequences from the event to which he had referred.
lterri4 tax to become the law of the land, and then allow the There was no doubt that firmness and prudence would be
1t,t,10 be rejected by tne House.—(" Hear, hear," from Sir shown.—( Hear, heas. ) There was no doubt that a Govern-
-I'd heel* ) He was glad that the Right Hon. Baronet cheered, ment,which had the Duke of Wellington fir one of its members,
`vas quite the advice of so many eminent and
'4llllk -the wHou
for the attention with which the few remarks experienced military men, would be most inexcusable if every
made had been listened to. effort were not made which could tend to remedy the disaster.
q WYNN said that he felt the justice of the. ob- —(Hear, hear.) Besides, the Right Hon. Gentleman must
t'ixa
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had been urged by Hon. Members against this remember that the principle ordinarily acted upon—he believed
etys,"-n was aware of the inequalities of the tax, but he invariably acted upon—was that all the troops tent upon such a
;;(4Rek,Y4 other to which stronger Objections would not apply. service as this were a charge upon the Government of India.
eet then hear.) He saw the objections, and he was ready to Let him suppoie that the Right Hon. Baronet intended that the
the the estielile d face them in consequence of the difficulties English people should bear the ' charge of the re-in-
at in th!' vie had to contend.—( Hear, hear.) He thought forcements sent out to India. Why, what re-inforce-
ehalieek,ls question there would 'be no difference of opinion, menus did he intend to send out there? He wool's'
ta th P., that every one believed that the time was come suppose that 10,000 or 12,000 troops added to those which
C'ess ti5Y Tnust in justice take some bold and decided measure, were in India would be most amply sufficient for any service
i:cleeesltet wished to sacrifice that credit which the country for which they might be designed. Now, if he correctly re-
tethe measures
maintained. They were told they ought to resort membered the army estimates, a regiment of 1,100 men in
as proposed in the budget of last year. Now, India cost 32,000/., or thereabouts. He believed the whole
etteC an arguirpnt already disposed of ; the House had charge of the addition which the Right Hon. Gentleman con-
- !ne proeosal, and the country at large had confirmed templated would fall somewhat under 400,000/. a-
,;51l eusion• He did not think it necessary, therefore, to year. Now, let them remember under what circumstances
e..4tlei7l'°u that subject. Again it was said there might be the income tax was introduced f .rmerly. When the income
ts 7 7611 n to tbe assessed taxes. He remembered that, in the tax was introduced in 1798, England stood alone against France,
such a proposal bid met with the concurrence of the Austria, and Spain in
France ranging itself on the banks of the
at,PY.,I hut that we; a period of peculiar emergency. There Rhine, Austria bound this by a treaty, England not having a
heLoat time a triple assessment, and an increase of revenue single ally; Ireland in rebellion in that year ; the three per
Iteeoeh Obtained. Some of the largest proprietors in the cents. at 50—under those circumstauces, the income tax was
cttitte r were, however, opposed to the war altogether, and introduced. There were then 300,000 soldiers in the
as
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ti a much aspossibie, contributing in anyway to bear their army, 120,000 seamen afloat ; the navy estimates alone
4lt the burdens to which the country was subject at the were higher than the whole estimates of the arm),
-the The taxes imposed fell, by this means, very unequally navy, and ordnance, for the present year.—( Hear.) Of
ii:lasel,7°Perty of the country ; and the income tax had been course be referred now to the year 1806. The late calamity
under those circumstances, to remedy the inequality, was indeed a most serious and painful one; but it was not so
i• lel';'ed it was owing to th's that the country submitted so great a blow as to require that they should resort to a remedy
Oita; ° a tax upon incomes. The great party who had dis- which nothing but the last extremity could justify.—( Hear,
ktittei:' of the war had opposed that tax, and insisted on its hear, hear.) He must say it appeared to him that
, Ltiletermination 01 the war. They succeededintheirpur- neither the proposition, nor the language of the Right
i; tee, ahe country, however, had since fallen into embarrass- Honourable Baronet was calculated to inspire a
and
ett„cli s, extraordinary;me effort should be made to support high and just idea of the .
spirit and resources of this country.
eteee ; He confessed that he felt great objection to an in- Not, indeed, that he said the calamity was irreparable ,he
E 4.10,41, the assessed taxes, which lie felt would press with very now referred to his first speech ; yet wlierev, rhe (Mr. Macau-
F,te
4 ' weight upon the labouring classes. Again, it had lay) opened the French papers he found then' using such
, ,
1, .—Sett to levy a tax upon succession;. But he be- language as this See the that the English aristo-
ne it'would be very difficult to carry out such a measure. cracy that huge power which has been th. e terror
ktet'Ye in raising a tax on funded property, to ascertain of Europe. is now beginning to decline the most
amount;Pptpro but the same thing come not be said of odious tax which could' be devised, never before
telkeeeertY Were they to have valuators appointed for the resorted to but in time of war, is about to be
tale 'to fix the value of estates in the different parts of the revived. Praise to the Minister who has shewn such spirit."
iktiek and to determine the interest which each individual Were those terms of applause which an English
Minister did
tr
d• Property ? He thought such a system would lead to seek to call forth ?—( Hear, hear.) He believed it to be a most
!lee di
and inconveniences, and that ;t would be more certain and demonatrablefact, that at this moment England was
11,- ,in its nature than the proposed income tax. It better able (God forbid that the necessity should arise) to
'Valet' said that the income tax was a war tax; but maintain agrees war than she ever was in the whole course_ of
the real not attach much importance to that objection. her history..—( Hear.) Believii.g this, he could not wander
tii let question was whether it was the best mode of meeting that pmiticians abroad, who krew the odiousness of this tax,
teat eheslities of the time, and whether any other tax could be that as soon as peace. was restored it was the first which the
Cp,"" more efficient. He confessed that the proposal of voice of the whole nation compelled the Parliament to repeal—
Ora e'hosent was the best, in his cainion, which. under the it was no strange that politicians abroad should form an ei
I 'tette
ea, could he adopted. He did. not labour under neous Notion of the effects of the late disaster as espected the
eekoension that the tax would be continued after the nc- power and resources of this country.
Sir R. PEEL made some observations across the table.
tit,"lr!'e-i",ad passed away on which it had its rise.
Nj'tled tfICAULAY rose, and said, that since the House had Mr. MACAULAY—The,• R ght Hon. Gentleman de-
la.:ll.l considerations of constitutional right and acti- dared that he had said r othing so alarming as
bilge lence should yield to a mere usage of 150 years,. he, •be described. He (Mr. Macaulay) had said what he believed
)11,,NtIlt,r1°Mance of a pledge which he had given to his con- 'to be important truths. He believed that the Right Hon.
the th Would venture to submit to the House their wishes Baronet had taken advantage of the feeling naturally excited
!'ttti Ler: subject then under its consideration. He trusted by the late calamity, and had used it with the skilfulness of a
tee re long it would be in his power to perform that duty practiced debater, to make* it tell upon the financial question
11t. more regular and more agreeable to his own lea- before the House, which was in fact ea question totally
eta which eou.d not believe in the lontocontinuance of any distinct from it. A few words with respect to another
ciptis vgo'eh haul in its favour, for the time, a majority
.of a topic. The Right Hon. Gentleman had' thought fit to
ket, te, and not the shadow of even a single reason,— introduce into that discussion, namely, the state of the Indian
titi • ear. ) He would state as concisely as he could, in pre- finances. The Right Hon. Barenet said that there was a
tlltlsett Petition to the House—for his object was not vexation deficit in India as well asin, England, and he intimated that in
(-**-that he had been charged by the Lord Provost, the some mode or other it might be necessary for this country to
li:trebt'eurleil, and Magistrates of Edinburgh, in some manner make up the deficiency. Surely it was important, before they
n,,155e1,07 to communicate to the House their opinion that voted away money, to know precisely for what purpose it was
e al to tax all kinds of income would lead to palpable in- to be applied.—( Hear.) He (Mr. Macaulay) must altogether
ktii'' the"' °Ppression, would be unequal in its operation, would dismiss ,f, om his view this unexplained demand, and confine
ts,, %%we door to frauds, would debase the national cheracter, his attention to existing circumstances and difficulties. Since
tp
ittt. t" render necessary the most inquisitorial arrange. the last war there had been twenty-two millions of taxes taken
lleelae4enother resolution to the same effect had been played off, and he believed he was not incorrect in saying that those
by the Chamber of Commerce of Edinbuigh, and ' taxes, if now in existence, would yield a much larger sum.
linti le eett requested to communicate, in some Parliamentary Why was the tax which was the last imposed and the first re.
e,,,tZsubstance of that resolution. His own Opinion upon pealed, to be, without any overbearing necessity, re-inflicted
jiZet. agreed ith that of his censtituerds; and that upon the country. Consider for a moment the article of sugar.
eirtll,„'`inot been shaken by the speech delivered by the The Right -Honourable Gentleman's memory appeared to
the PeeC Baronet the Other evening—a speech to which he fail him on that subject, when he said on Friday that
toe'4ht the greatest attention. The real questions, as he he had never denied that an increase of revenue
1ts?„, t' which they haul to consider were these : Was the in- might he .I.rtv,.d from the alterations proposed by the
'Hes% of a tax which ought to be imposed only in circum- late Gc vernment iu the duties on timber and sugar.
treeele el extreme emergency ? and were the text in The Right teen. Genteetnen said he used the argument with
Ll-Tgeie:sputitry was now placed, circumstances of reme regard to other things, but his (Mr. Macaulay's) memory was
ktltt 4aa • His ans Ater to these questions was, that the income quite the other way, and he had got a copy of the speech mid?.
t° it! k t u.r.l - Right Ho- G--

igt
tk dich nothing but. the last extreniiiy could justify,
tr "It
-last extremity did not now exist. With regard
it, thtobjection to the tax, the Right Hon. Baronet had
e 9 lje 1::(1 Hord which affected it, or which touched upon
qo ty sail
one word tending to show that the in-
,"i,fri,rLe lto it did not exist, or that that inequality was
ievance. Instead of astern ting to prove
t„ 'equality was not a most odious part of the tax,
the 144 , . .
" „ en himself with showing them that it was an es-
it 0 r' ksi,..the tax. Whenever any Hon. Gentleman on
e %It 'l'm benches had said that the inequality was an in-
-14.'14 Dil tart
she tax, so often did the Hon. Gentlemen on
I`;ll,„l'le,h7that assertion with applause. It was their
4cOsii4.l3elieved it was a sound principle—that it was next
tliitilievecr to separate a property tax from an income tax.
14% ah -Income sax to be one of the most nnjurt and un-
-that could exist. He allowed that necessity might
wkt,..24.141? it., just as necessity might force them to tea.
;14sig---Just as necessity might force them in time of
tqcp:ge towns, 'destroy suburbs, and ruin property,
Pet satingibe bufferers; because in great emerges-

by .ighk _on. ,entleman,-which confirmed his impres-
sion. And he believed he may appe::l to the who'e House,
whether the report was not almost verbally correct. The
Right Hon. Gentleman then referred to that part of Sir R.
Peel's speech, in which he said that be could not expect to de-
rive an immediate revenue by having recourse to the measures
of the late Government. l'herefore his (Mr. Macaulay's)
memory was confirmed by the report of the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet's speech, and the only argument which he brought for-
ward, and which had received such an overwhelming answer
from his Right Hon. Friend, he said, on Friday night, he
had not used with regard to sugar and coffee. The truth wrs,
that when he entered upon that " process of exhius-
tion," and enumerated the devices for obtaining a
revenue, and when he came to that part of the plan of the late
Government which he ought have repeated, he felt the diffi-
culty, and be now said that he had not used any arguments
with respect to it, because he knew that they would be utterly
trifling and impotent.—(Cheers.) Being ashamed of those
arguments he returned for the first time to the story about
slavery, but when he (Mr. Macaulay) saw no scruples with