The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-11 00:00:00

GROUP R.

(LEFT SITTING.

GROUP WW,

THE ST. HELEN'S CANAL AND RAILWAY.
The Committee met to-day at twelve o'clock, Mr. Pringle in the
chair.

The Cn►IRMAN decided the point referred to in our yesterday's
report, that Mr. Scoresby had a sufficient interest in the question
to be heard.

Mr. FORSYTH then resumed his statement in favour of the
scheme. It was a Bill to effect an amalgamation between these
two rival companies. The railway was one of the oldest in Eng-
land, having been formed ire 1833, but had hitherto never paid any
dividend. The canal, though it had paid a dividend, had done
so at the expense of the repairs whicn ought to have been made
upon it. It was expected, by putting an end to the rivalry,
and by the economy that would be effected in the management of
the amalgamated company, that the interest of the shareholders
would be greatly improved.

(LEFT SITTING.)

GROUT X.
C.A.rd33IZ.IDGE AND TaNCOMN IZNE.

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At the sitting of the Committee this day,
Mr. IlanvAno, having been called on by the Chairman, rose and
said, it was only for him now to state, that unless the House of
Commons interposed he could do nothing more than go on with his
ease as a project, and therefore he would put Mr. Rendall in the
box, and call upon his Learned Friend to continue his crJss-exa.

Mr. Kendall then took his seat, and was cross.examined by Mr.
Sergeant WRA NGIIAM —He said, in answer to the question, that
his estimate had been made on an amended section, in reference
only to the error in question, but that error was really nothing.
Sergeant WRAN6IIA3I—Was it not identical with the de-
posited section, so far as it was connected with that
error ?—lt was ; but that error could be corrected by
keeping the line five feet higher than it appeared on the
section. There was an error with reference to the datum line;
but there was no error with reference to the level of the surfaces.
He would produce a copy of the section that had been deposited,
and on that he would lay down the point at which the alleged
error commenced, and which extended the whole way to Lincoln,
and would show that it would not affect the earth-work at all for
the whole of that distance, except the one furlong. He would
wish an explanation he was now going to give should appear in
the short-hand writers' notes; it was this: at a distance of six-
teen miles from Cambridge lie would mark a point called A, and at
the distance of one furlong from that towards Lincoln he would mark
another point B; it was between these two points, and for that dis-
tance only, that the level would be ten feet lower than the line from
Cambridge to point A ; but from B, the whole way to Lincoln,
there was no error ; but as the error did exist between A and B,
the line from B to Lincoln was ten feet lower than the line from
Cambridge to A. Here the witness spoke of his inability to furnish
the section before the day after to.morrow, and of his wish to be
candid in his answers, and not to fence any question, where-
upon the Learned Counsel who cross-examined him expressed his
entire satisfaction at the answers the witness had given, and his
conviction that he had been quite candid, &c., &c. He then pro-
ceeded to question the witness as to the extent of the population of
the different towns in the district through which the Cambridge
and Lincoln line was proposed to be made.
(LEFT SITTING.)

GROUP Z.
The Committee met again at two o'clock to.day in Room No, 9,
the Hon. R. Clive, Chairman.
The Committee proceeded with the evidence for the promoters of

THE DUBLIN AND MITIMING.A.R. LINE.
Mr. Miller was called to prove the traffic tables. The calcula.
tions were such as to leave no doubt of a good annual revenue,
more than sufficient to meet the expectations of the shareholders.
The witness was cross.examined by Mr. CALLAGHAN, on behalf
of the Messrs. M`Cann, carriers on the Royal Canal for part of the
line, but the evidence in chief was not shaken.
Mr. Desmond, coach proprietor, was called to prove the great
amount of passenger traffic, and Mr. Crawford, seneschal and
agent to Lord Longford, and other large landed proprietors, wre
called to prove the tonnage of agricultural and other articles
which would be carried by the railway, and be an important
source of revenue.

The witnesses were cross-examined at some length hp Mr.
CALLAGHAN.

(LEFT SITTING.)

THE COLOSSEUM.—The attractions of this epitome
of fairy land continues undiminished. Every day it is crowded by
rash ionables, whose expectations, although previously raised to the
highest pitch by the description they have heard of its wonders,
yet, one and all confess, that those expectations have been more
than realised. The night exhibition is also thronged every evening,
as might have been anticipated, for certainly, the illuminated pano.
rams of London by night, with its wonderful dioramic effects, is
the greatest pictorial novelty of modern times.
TILE NAPOLEON AlusEum.—We lament to learn
that this wonderful collection is about to be broken up and distri-
buted : it is advertised for public sale. We have therefore paid it a
last visit, to mourn over the separation of so many thousands of in-
teresting relics, the collection of which was a labour of amazing in-
dustry, zeal, energy. and enterprise. It was commenced and com-
pleted by a gentleman named Sainsbury, to whom it still belongs.
He began his work by purchasing a few prints, thence went to pic-
tures, thence to memorials of every sort and kind, the authenticity
of which was proved beyond the hazard of controversy. It is suffi-
cient to say that in its present state it contains, in addition to 10,000
MSS., 8 marbles, GO paintings, 70 miniatures, 60 enamels, 20 gold
orders, 900 coins and medals, 10 swords and daggers, 1,300 volumes
of books, 130 drawings, 30 carvings, 3,000 engravings, 100 bronzes.
The examination of the assemblage has been a rare treat; unhappily
it has ceased—most probably for ever, inasmuch as it is not likely
one single person will be again the possessor of the store. Still there
are few evils unaccompanied with good ; the sale will enable many
persons to obtain a single relic, to be valued as a precious acquisition ;
ror Napoleon is now a history ; all asperities associated with his
name have been rubbed down by time, while there endure respect
and admiration for a marvellous man.—From the Art-Union, June,
1845, page 171.
THE UNION OF CHURCHMEN AND DISSENTERS.—

We copy the following phillippic from the Morning Advertiser.
What other result could any rational being anticipate?—" The
Patriot of Monday contains an account of the proceedings at the
Anti.Maynooth Conference in Dublin. Some of the speeches
at that meeting have filled us with surprise. Were the accuracy
of the Parka's report not placed beyond all question,
we could scarcely believe that the sentiments attributed
to several of the speakers could ever have been uttered
by them. Sir Culling Eardley Smith and the Rev. Mr.
Blackburn seem to have left their principles as Dissenters behind
them, when they quitted the shores of England. At any rate,
they came out in Dublin a pair of Orange bigots, and ♦ery good
bigots, too, for a beginning. If they continue for a fortnight
longer to make the same progress towards High Church princi.
plys which they appear to have done since they left England,
we venture to surmise that ere the lapse of another month
they will surpass, in their anti-Dissenting tendencies, such ultra.
Churchmen as the Rev. Messrs. M`Neil and Stowell. Sir Cul.
ling fell foul of the late Anti-State.Church Convention at
Crosby-hall. His attack on that movement was in the
very worst taste. Nor were the representations he made re-
specting the Convention in accordance with fact. The Conven-
tion was approved of by many of the leading Dissenters
in London, as well as by a majority of the brightest ornaments of
Dissent in all parts of the country. In speaking of Mr. Blackburn,
we have no such reason for reservation. That gentleman has, as
far as in him lay, grossly betrayed the cause of English Dissent.
On the platform, in the Dublin Rotunda, he virtually abjured his
principles as a Dissenter. We wish he had completed the thing
by abjuring the name of Nonconformist."

PRICE OF GoLn.—The premium on gold at Paris
' is 19 per mille, which, at the English Mint price of 3/. 17s.
10Id. per ounce for standard gold, gives an exchange of
25 63 ; and the exchange at Paris on London at short being
25 77V,, it follows that gold is 0.56 per cent, dearer in London
than in Paris. By advices from Hamburgh, the price of
gold is 4371/2 per mark, which, at the English Mint price of
3/. 17s. 101 d. per ounce for standard gold, gives an exchange
of 13 11-4-; and the exchange at Hamburgh on London at
short being 13 12k, it follows that gold is 0.57 per cent.
dearer in London than in Hamburgh.
The Duke of Sutherland and the Marquis of
Stafford have left Erskine House, where they had been visiting
Lord and Lady Blantyre, for Dunrobin Castle and the family
estates in the flora of Scotland.

THE WAR BETWEEN BUENOS AYRES AND MONTE
VIDEO.—The following letter has been received by a mercantile
house at Liverpool :—" Buenos Ayres, April 3.—We have to inform
you that official dispatches have been received from General Oribe,
dated the 29th ult., advising the complete defeat of General Riviera,
at a place called the India Muerta,' ninety miles north of Monte
Video, with the loss of all his infamry, artillery, and baggage, on the
27th inst., after an action of two hours with the division of General
Urquiza; 1,000 men are said to be killed, and 500 prisoners taken,
including a great many officers. General Riviera is reported to have
escaped with eight men. Great rejoicings have taken place here on
account of this triumph. The blockade of Monte Video is not yet
fintmally acknowledged by the French."
THE LATE CHARGE OF MURDER AND ATTEMPTED
SUICIDE BY POISON IN HATTON-GARDEN;Yesterday forenoon the
adjourned investigation concerning the death of Hannah Moore,
aged 18, said to have died from the efibets of 1)1)10011 administered to
her by Daniel Joint Cock, now an inmate of Newgate on a charge of
wilful murder, was resumed before Sir. T. Waktey, M.P., and the
jury, at the Cock and Hoop, Cross-street, Hatton-garden. It will be
remembered that the man, John Cock, was committed on the 30th
ult. by Mr. Greenwood, the police magistrate, to Newgate, on the
charge of w lful murder of the deceased, he having agreed with her
to take a certain quantity of oxalic acid with a view to their mutual
destructiim. The inquest was adjourned to enable the Coroner to
proem c a writ of habeas corpus for tile production of the accused be-
fore the jury, but which application to the Court of Queen's Bench,
on Monday, was refused by Lord Denman and the other judges.
After a discussion of upwards of an hour's duration, the jury re-
turned the following verdict :—" That the deceased, Hannah Moore,
died of mortal injuries upon her intestines and certain portions of her
stomach from the action of a certain poison, taken by the said
Hannah Moore, with her own hands, during temportry insanity."
This result, it is needless to add, is directly in the teeth of
Mr. Greenwood's committal of the accused to Newgate on the
charge of wilful murder.

OXFORD-STREET.—Yesterday the new line
of road from Holborn to Oxthrd•strect was thrown open for carriages.
The old carriage road through Holborn is for the present closed for
repairs.
The Marquis of Westminster, it 13 said, has pur-
chased the celebrated Fonthill estate, formerly the property of Mr.
Beckford.
There will be a grand banquet this evening at
Merchant Tailors' Hall. Sir Robert Peel, and most of the leading
members of the Cabinet, are expected to attend.
EXTRAORDINARY MONETARY SPECULATION.—For
some time past the copper coinage of William the Fourth has been
eagerly purchased up by person; who are stated to be Jews, and a
report has in consequence gained ground that gold is contained in
it. What reason there may be for this it is impossible to say; but
it is a well known fact that agents have been at work for the last
two months buying up those particular coins in Westminster, and
they now retch double the price of their legal issue. The mania
has extended eastward, and twopence for a penny piece, and
a penny for a halfpenny, &c., is now asked for the "precious
issue.

PRESTON BROOK .2ND R.UNCOR,N :NE,
The Select Committee on this group re-assembled at twelve
o'clock this morning, and proceeded with the case for the noble
promoter of the Preston Brook and Runcorn Railway.
Mr. Rippon, whose examination in chief was taken y esterday,
was cross.examined by Messrs. ATKINSON and MEWS, wi th a view
of showing that the traffic was not sufficiently extensive to justify
the construction of the line.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.
(YESTERDAY.)

GROUP A.
sOUTE—EASTEMN LINZ.
ued our Afternoon Edition of yesterda
*.O
.1,, eti'
C Jlonel(Contin Barnlyfrom was then examined, and corroborated
den ce of Lord Bloomfield.
School, Woolwich, MOO
T lajor Sandelans, Deputy-Quartermaster-General at the --
stated
tb:it the ground at present used for military practice was not sod
confirmed the previous evidence. He aft,
c; ent for the purpose, and that any interference with that gr°. „ter.
vieoreuld be highly detrimental. If the level of the ground wall htbe
d with it would destroy the sciiool as a place of praCtice fur ,it
"rmY. The concourse of people at the station would be a gr—
inconvenience. . hit
Mr. G. Warrener, tenant at the Pier Hotel at Erith, get;outi
opiniond that if the North Kent line were established, it -,b,
estroy the trade of Erith, which would be improved by the Se.o
Eastern line. Witness, having been some time ago owner or !I
pier at Erith, read to the Committee an account of the Ow
number of persons visiting Erith, ed the
Other witnesses from Erith were then called, and confitle-
opinion of Mr. Warmer. were
Several witnesses from Stroud, Chatham, and Feversbalo 0,
thenE called to prove the general feeling in favour of the SrIP
Ea and against the North Kent line. to tlit
Mr. AUSTIN, on the part of the Croydon Railway, handed ~,,
answers to the questions which had ceen asked by Mr. handed
obieetW'
in the course of last evening, which, he said, they had no
to reply to. huff,
Ater th examintion o several wtnesses frm Cante, 0
the Coleiellt
from whom no pointa of any interest wasi elicited,o
adjourned at four o'clock.

GR')U
TH.V. EDIN*23I372GIE AND NOaTII
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterdsl).
when till
The case of the opponents closed at half.past three, yin
Committee adjourned till to-morrow.
Mr. Sergeant Bellasis will reply tomorrow.

GROUT GG.
GLASGOW 31TNCTION n.AXlArilit‘ 1
of yesterClPo'"ighi
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition
b Several witnesses were called to speak to the trade whiChni
e expected on the line, the total of win 000 b
serigers, minerals, and a prospective trade, a sum of
bias that fir° ight
be calculated on.
This was the case for the promoters of the Bill. ..,,e foe the
Mr. Sergeant TA LITOURD then addressed the Comm," .ed eat.
Clyde trustees. He contended that this project, if cajoirtorifj!
would materially injure the city, because it crossed tu-
in
streets by means of a viaduct, which, while ungainlY Lof tbe
1,00010;1 v
groatly incommoded the traffic of the city, and
poet, by travelling along the quay upon a level. Would
trOied,_
duty to bring another plan before the
,the
and he
ea"
that after hearing the evidence of Mr. Walker, the en'.
ne.2r, they would feel it their duty- to reject the project.
The Committee then adjourned at four o'clock.

GRO UP K. SO JIIIP
THE NORWICH AND smarrst or (1)1.010',,,
ATTLEBOROUGH nnaivcs) Ss10,;1
The Committee met to-day at the usual hour, 101 ' $
the chair, when the consideration of this line °f Isl
„t ofe
resumed. es eve" Dee,
Several tables and maps, setting forth the distanc of the
pulation in the district, and the receipts and eiPensel
were put in, after which the room was cleared.
o
ft"
On our re-admission jaustrs- Ve

The CHAIRMAN requested that the evidence -Tps
• t
local traffic should be continued. in tbii I_Ab"
Mr. Aldrick, ot Diss, said he was a grocer - e &gni- trs-,
line, in his opinion, was very much wanted in the sto tuforwsla
was no doubt but that it would give a great iinPsetimer tr° „on°
of the district. It was necessary t the Pres°
,he ir srtre'°-
„ a
manufactured goods to Norwich, from whence ' •
ta °96
to their deination.
Mr. Till,st Secretary to the proposed line, Wl9 o°2°4
•
length as to the tables which had been put in'
nded the tal~
pt
Mr. Gedney was next called. He superinte-obe trip-
the traffic, and could vouch for the correctness°
rawin Nss
as far as that department was concerned.
..,ben e no
Several other witnesses were examined, " did -
cleared.
ittee mae,
On our return, the CHAIRMAN said that tbethrPnrsintosndbje°ll
consider that a case had been made out Pr.hll ttbe
borough line. Their decision therefore was, -
not
pro
Committee then adjourued till to.morroW

GROUP KK. c ii,s111)101'
LIVERPOOL AND BURY 121,,e-'O,
VEEP OM AND MANCIO-,•'" f /
SION% ster"s.,". he/'
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition ee. stohcifer•
Mr. Marsden, manager of the Old River SaVigiaiteo% fr°°toe, in;
ter—The total cost of carriage by the propose 2d. etl. Pe r titebe;
pool to Rochdale would he—sugar and grain 14e,„
eluding carriers' expenses and cartage • cottons
14s. lid. ; manufactured goods and generalP faernople wiotper'
The present rate of carriage from Liverpool t° 11.°
genet in°
and grain was 12s. 6d. per ton ; cotton, lls. 6d' ;DiverVf
chandise the same. The proposedcharges beregento , 1110 pe.
Bury would amount to—grain I Is. s}d.; °ten. eleY
timber, 11s. s'd.; manufactured goods, Vs; 19s 11 1134:11a.
sent rates were—by water, 10s. ; by railway, -
..,ere••••••er
Liverpool and Bolton the proposed charges ',at, ltor
grain, cotton, and timber, I Os. 4d. ; manufactured 1;"-od owl'ed 0
The present rate of carriage was for grain, cottonrwao WO( op
dise, 10s. by water; by railway 1 le. 6d. ; tinshersrie cost °wigs°
present by water er railway, at Os. 3d. Per ten. nal ead
riage by the proposed scheme between LiverP--,,,,,ter,a woe
would be for grain, 7s. 6d. per ton; for Ina"l'w.bese the
Bs, 3id. The present rates of carriage to and fronted
b nod
were 6s. 3d. per ton. The quantity
the old quay navi_ie: the
Duke of Bridgewater's Canal and of goods fo w
Bolton to Bury last year, was 14,000 tons ; two-th. 'Ft; lit
were sent to Bury. No goods sent from LiverPo°l
eel
ter passed through Wigan on the Bridgewater Canal sod Dir
Mr. Liddell, an engineer, did not think the Pr°hPerter sad.dit,
and Bury line a good one. It might be MadeHanes of roll
better curves, and so as to avoid touching the de."..,: off "
gentlemen, Inch Hall, and other places. There ,i-o''agCl2ll#
tunnelling and very heavy earth-works. Of e-p-Trec° tea:a ote
gradients a saving of 100,0001. might have been hg bit:0101
height of the Liverpool terminus, 40 feet, he thrlep- in rclose
chesenot- tjoa
jectionable. He did not think the line well
At
Wigan ; the station there was in a very objectionabole.l:io 10,00. of,
to the gates of Westwood and on an inclined planre prods
Haig there seas a gradient of 1 in 60, where it jee'; 10.'1 A
and was, he thought, objectionable and d'pngern,_,."trein,,ol''
as it would be almost impossible to stop descentin7pfso;ould
better line might have been made between Bolton lice ,tfer•
viz., from Tostock to Newton. The gradients on ;00 teor-sloss
be from linSOto 1 in 90. The distance fforn,..o.
pool by this line would be 9_21 miles and 11 Orr
would run through the best part of the coal-field at ;old I,lfer.
through Hindley.green, near West Horton. 1:100 and
easy by this line to shorten the distance between ,roff
pool a mile-and-a-balf. roJeefr-noties;
Cross-examined by Mr. WlLgirfs—The line he Pford Is
eight roads in the space of nine miles, from Itainfrota 1,1101
Thought the best line would have been to star, opid.'"sepolf
Union, and join it again. Said so irrespective °liicw°o t° ,
disposition of the managers of the North Union Ba
modate another line. Se"
At the conclusion of this witness's testitn°nl. ferPoel sad
Mr. BRANDT announced that the case of the si list of dle
Pti
ihe
cheater line had closed, with the exception °E. ibe
otiohirop,
and dissents. pod hod
Mr. WILKENS announced that Lords Deal v live,-
were dissenting parties from the Liverpool and Our'
..A ofel
ei
drawn their oppositgait 1, far°,
Mr. Sal THE,, on behalf of the North Union porell else'
of fee
landowners objected to the Haig branch, w'h'o
expense - pC.
to accommodate the Earl of Balcarras, at the exihe p01!...0c-
0t0 r oreoth'
owners on the line, and without soy advanteg rd pg
North Union had already made a branch into IA
yr sprilojefsfet
field to accommodate his Lordship, called the Ne testeS6
projected branch would So ociDol:oo;ttee'
21, miles in length. The b o or
North Union Railway by crossing it, would fee
the 0000
tage, and would not, he hoped, be countenanced bl roPri ted
Jed v-
Mr. HATHERTON, on behalf of certain lan now repreottfe op
posed the Liverpool and Bury line. kie e°, of °treed °id'
gentlemen named Gray, who were the proprietarily inter
r
invaluable works, and which would be raaterieottrellaotleseirod
Sergeant
the main line of the projected railway. e.,„ee rYoter' lat
Sergeant 13211asis, and thought it would superin; Klee
destructive competition. Private rights were Brent Or le
with by the projected line, that nothing nut Lob leot n°
i,OO
public necessity could justify its formation. ~-;"inel 'Lore
case in the present instance. The Learned ‘',d Drirle erted
detail the nature of the evidence which he vr°lln
tbe PIO"
behalf of the Messrs. Gray. ed that the coti‘
Mr. Thomas Lee, by a wooden model, slietv deoef,ole
line would materially interfere, if not altogether Oct' 00
of Messrs. Gray, a cotten-factory, the Profits le
mated at 7,0001. last year o gifeltb
Mr. WILLIAMS said he was quite willing t o
for any injury which might be done to the 11
apd 0
01.10 40§
Gray.
1.1)°°1_1,0 S 1
Mr. Thompson, the engineer of the - ,e e eed°l
said he thought it would be possible to deviate stig
from the projected line. le4rt •Si
,
The CHAIRMAN said he had no doubt buten are
,410/ rtot°
might be effected. hat the iejlltl
Other witnesses were examined to prove „id be 01110
by the Messrs. Gray by the projected line o°'
edit°
nature. ht e
The room was then cleared, in order that
deliberate. eiSlOl4. red "e
IMPORTANT DE—
foop
The CHAIRMAN O , upon our re-entering the rofed, Or
preamble of the Liverpool and Bury -ine P t
tpoo T
All°
reservations ; these were, first, the derJoao',
Lin 0,1
cotton factory, and, secondly, the stations at
_soh, -1001%10,
threw out the Liverpool and Rufrordvitnt: to
over,
that from Rufford to Rainsford.
reserved the ,t,lOl _
project they had nothing to do. They gpte-
nuffor a
with the exception of the Liverpool, - Ovrpo°
e
ster
branes. The preamble of the Manche n"
ai

slot' Bill was still under consideration.
The Committee then adjourned•

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public would be 25 GROUP L.
The evidence of Mr. Samuda (continued frora
Powrs le) 011.5*-viAld°
moll.= (ATivrospoos-- • „noon
in the working charges, our Aft .40t.
would
_obri,e roodali°,liis 04...1
tr "-lio
of yesterclay)--- 101 Pto
The increase .
to the Company, and the increase of the c
aC
.0 ~..dent 1
..A ipti!
London, at one end, and Portsmouth,
Portion of advantage to the public would bon this lit OIV
further. The opportunities of the increase of 'of'
ice f vvisl).:to ''.:
and the .1; t; no D°lo,ollll_,
aboutlt)oro the
would sam same
oast
twenty
t per cent.; and to tai . :•iricres!;ll_
other, were very peculiar ; indeed, there Wran"....o go or
.40 ,
demand, when every tradesman and mechanic rroa the deo.; yet,
family from the increase of the accommodation
CO
r,.eoter,
the expense. The maintenance of way would. c
.zv to on
oC%oreof
at 'its' 060" CD
ewntoyul double 8,„ irbi e
miles from each other, et of using ose ••• nilie•
and the obj e for 0 the - the
in other words, pairs of engines, was to provid
ty
when
over t
one of the engines might be oodt for cl.hup ' tralo not tier:
engine would be enabled to carry L,-__ had at ;he gal!:
space at the reduced rate. The enginu'er t° ones 'll°lii'
id.baeso no
ft been lgoicooein,,o. ti v e It ! .
owe . ,_,
or.
intended to be cumulatives of 130 horse Pow ~'.w engin __oil
gestion of Mr. Cubitt it had been decided tot!tra at rheas!_., r tiled
be of 150 horse power, and it was deterininea 1•.:
model of cre eect ,
places this power should be doubled. The would De idtD
railway at a level was one of several means w_l.l.eie, for crB.,e Or
.8.
for the safety of the public. By that plan the 0r5"..,,., oas1":010.
railway would be in two parts, one on either
erlott;
eto for xceper;
vertical position until it was necessary to Worice t° the
*3ilB-116 legi
to cross, which could not be done withouot D
iron,
about. e
00000
Another means was, to have a Plato f.,,,,,_....iyi0i ttorictolo,
wide—the width of a road or of a vel.'l',. ~ ,oiston, v. wtieac..
circumstances over the tube, but attached
.t:.7.:-,,, ,i 0
/icetr wili:
vacuum was formed for the passage °I. a
a cylinder connected with the bottom of tO ;",o pi S °I." 5
would be a balance weight, would aaturs..,.„e of tne t,roecl, tij,,
iron flap, and thus allow space for the psui-00.... had 0 j 00 14
d the vacuum I,wool*
when, after the train had passed .11- , and tbe a
piston would wove forward in thee ylinuer
t riai iy 'ol 1 and
so ,

I
;

°w° weight over the tube. Thus self acting, it would work on the
approach, the transit, and after the passage of a train. It
would
- only occupy abciit a minute to alter the size of the piston
need from the Ep,orn line from fifteen to eighteen inches, and the
expense of the increased tube would be about 1001. a mile.
more
18. inch tube was ad ,pted because the country was
e severe after leaving Epsom. The line might be
lased Either as a locomotive or as an atmospheric line, and there
,°ld, therefore, be no difficulty joining a locomotive line. He
„,:s.at this time putting down a .s.inch tube in France, on the
ris and St. Gerrnains' line, where, in one part, the gradient was
lurn
•,
" and the power was increased to meet the difficulty, the
t
vvalg, at the commencement, only 15 inches.
„ To the eross.examination of Mr. Cockeuax, Mr. Samuda stated
ithat
..e was one of the patentees of the atmospheric principle, and
expended a very large sum in bringing it into play. He was
c.ehnave a considerable interest in the line, but to what extent the
,::::ratan allowed him to refuse to reply. But he had no objection,
"Inikver, to say that lie was to receive an equivalent of 5001. per
: hut whether as a ratage on the passengers, as a capital sum,
„ the shape of an annuity, he could not at that moment
Lb
).; "he tube would be about ten inches above the rail, so that at
, crossings of the public roads the rails must be made lower than
sbeo.,l°ada• The expense of the bridges at the crossings would be
50/, each, but there would be a man at each crossing, and he
zastight that, considering the rate which the public new required, it
ver:ecessary to havea man on locomotive lines also wherever there
be gat" to a public read. The stationary engines were to
at three
'Meth. miles from each other, but lie could not positively say
rith,`r some of these might not be a furiong one way or the
but if the stationary engines happened to be at the foot of a
tater
Dowel! gradient, they would not require an additional engine
et, although they
meant to establish it in all instances of
th'erte,ft room was then cleared for a consideration, as to whether
Paerisraittee should go into the respective merits of the atmcs-
rtiore and locomotive principles, and on the re.admission of the
,5515stax declared that the Committee had decided in re-
alid cot evidence as to the applicability of the atmospheric principle,
aaspeon:"lttentle that Counsel on the opposite side might cross.
Ale
to% Samuda resumed, under the cross-examination of Mr.
Nall up", and produced a diagram on a paper, in the form of a
tlei,fttgram, across one end of which there was a series of strokes
Nigh 'Tit to the number of miles between London and Ports-
along and across the other end was a list of the towns
the -dit,h,e line, the name of each being placed exactly opposite
Wasa ,-,„„,bee marked at the other End. Intermediate there
tliatoin--"ea of lines representing the railway, and a transit line
at shiegt,lallonally across the other lines in order to show the points
" the trains, both up and down, would pass over the crossing
aliectir The trains would be s timed that they would arrive re-
it, 13 el) at these several points so as to allow each train time to do
Nae,heas at the stations, and then come to the crossing
Pats at such times as not to interfere with each other when
bteki' tither upThr down. Thus it was proposed that the
Slgat"atian, should be reached in twelve minutes from
~,* a rate of 43i miles an hour, thence to Godalming
the rat7outes at a rate of 46 miles an hour, thence to Lipprock at
49 oi°;1, 44i miles an hour, and thence to Portsmouth at a rate
hon--"t1 an hour ; the whole distance being performed
tOclea• r and 36 minutes, at a rate of 45: miles an hour, or
txt4:4• 1-I.".t°Peages at 37 miles an hour. It was intended that
"old be four crossing places—one at Dorking, one at
%14,_ one at Li rock and another at Rowland's Castle ;
"wet"'ere were toPPb More crossing places he could send
Itt,e "'ere
,t than he had already planned, the number of which
l'aild,PreSeht planned at twelve each way, within fifteen hours
ale. 'I, from • •
•Itese six in the morning till nine at night. He had laid
th„
h trains for the four crossing places, but he could send fif-
'tieft In waY, and more than that, but he could not say how many;
Latade re 'vent of alterations in the trains, provision could always.
le la or the alteration. In the event, for instance.'of one train
in te
in each and the other to its time, the delay of five minutes
LvPoiot,,,," the stations at which the crossing places were
2rdee—C tee
give time for the exhaustion of the tube
.t• he, Le late train was to pass, so as to expedite its progress.
*atter *e were
h. two engines at each station, there would be double
tileatl'eV'cles the additional power at the crossings,. and,
.conse-
are oe engine which had already performed its functions of
tr44l,,aeethte train vrhich had arrived to its time, could be mad.e
4141 tt,: exhaust the air in the tube over which the late train
hkt ' The station engines were to be three miles apart, and
-"en exhausted one mile and a quarter, which was the
la4L.df tit! station in distance, in less. than a minute and
en.alloth." time spent in passing from one crossing.place
'r Was to be twelve minutes, and the time of
It, 6at the stations five minutes and as the average distance
Li the erasing-places was sixteen miles, that would allow %ol for
I,,qato any irreeularity in the trains. The wcre to be
0111 and a help at each station, which was re
a force quite
:tr in'y work the whole of the trains. If there were to be
t%,k tha "s of course there must be an increase in the force to
tM• There would also be en increase in the consumption
4.ithat was provided for in the estimates.
0146%tior4Con arose between the counsel respecting the right to
te7ility leakage, but there being a doubt as to the precise ap-
'Ma "1 the terms of the resolution, it was decided that Mr.
it74)(c $a should proceed, and
it„.ateof wia replied that the loner the tube the greater the
ale,,k the air into the tube, so that there would be three times
11,4 ate. ale in three miles in minute than there would be in one
A
ate, Lhe leakage was perpetually going on whilst the engines
th..!.tr.e stison again arose upon the general question, in which
tiff,, by tmtjaN endeavoured to open the whole subject, but was
Vth.-lais ;:r* Alexander and Mr. Austin, and after a statement by
OkZ gelZ" and Mr. Oswald of what their views were of the decision
1, Nil Committee of the House of Commons on the atmos.
144,10 )4e; Wei and after several observations from Mr. Cock.
"tin, the Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock
NIP -"
Which the arnedLe Counsel had mooted.

Itkiv GROUP MM.
Ost. kilqnn
Ihkt-otottd„ --I\T EXTENSION RAELVITAY.
k iii the chair.
Itttlit'Postml °pened the case on behalf of this line, which
NI .1-enclo„t° be formed from the terminus of the
tile,,' to a " Railway, near to the Kensington Canal
Nki.. havirint near to Cremorne House. The Learned Geo-
Ilis Wes ancig briefly stated the facts he meant to establish by
Ittltstil bY uri:aving referred to the opposition brought against
14: aj.°,lB parties, among others by Mr. Prosser, the in.
Oh ,640;,_nlode of transit on railways, which might be seen
't lA. ~..`bstmattwitnblecion Common, proceeded to call witnesses.
kilWse'sr,.. ; 4Preared for the Board of the parish of St. Luke's,
iiir,.:l, Mr. Prosser, and Mr. Merrewether for Lord
ichrTintSlSh
IVt" IN It4Zion said fic. was engineer to the London and
litott "ri 4'4 I_Y Company. The object of the proposed ex.
Vita e °f tottilr the London and Birmingham and the Great
..4e4r,a Otte'."°,l4ll° have access to the Thames. The present
'114.1 te alid -Vert was exceedingly imperfect. The length
,thets-,.. of *1)01 "IIY-seven chains. It was an excavation
N were the : 'natal-ice, averaging from six to ten
.feet.
5.,.. Ati,tile it.„4"l„ 8 crossed would have to be raised ;
.44 1.-*atig ''Llinond, the Fulham, and the King's
-,.% erne
Ni.t, lilt
... Tis had aready been made with the
t‘gil -°, ri.ndh. °nt; engineeringl features were all very favour.
.* ; IV" Chai 4 were slight, and there was only one sharp
ktt:4l, 11),:ithilain‘ radius. The severest gradient was one in
4, 1,1,"1114,:tt 50-e,:!" 60,000/., and the annual working expenses
'IC! hi; Catbr cent on the receipts. The London and
e,.."Rt,een 4 °Y had purchased between four and five acres
54414.148:b18.-lane and the World'hend-passage, whereon
ilt ;!ei,, `wined wnarf.
11,4144,g ea ,bY Mr. m About one-third of
It;
itii, ...ord , . ERRENVETHER---
,4,_ .•00 ca,, r‘ensington's ploperty. It started near to
It; Ir. "1, which canal was connected with the River
Vip4di.Noittw
hi4t Iliti. % the it---1-1 e thought it would be possible to construct
4'001,111N briTington Canal, but it would be attended with
1111,4%ektb it ,„, g" would all require to be altered, and the
kt'% top'noned-"`ered into the Thames would not be so good
kill, laden i, 3he canal at present could only be used at
It was altogether a bad navigation.
lo 4l'llei ttle traarmg:.ls'
ll j,-_ed
,0 manager of the London and Birmingham
live7e.,kur:h the qaantity of goods brought up the line to
Olt, Illsrnee of all the goods thus brought were taken on
\lige
"Oh4litiy. the tta;,,, The extension was very much needed to
1''44kte,13451444._ kr '''.r;‘,
ortl-tretinmPson, the Secretary of the West London,
NI to i, e plot trans" were in progress three years ago for the
it rLlt exr "ground at Chelsea, and that Lord Kensington
4 thilti it;;; tit "'ion two
. e 48_ years ago.
I,„_
twt to
... 71. for the Bill.
.111 I,: fo, i'°l, 4 eased the Committee on behalf of the Board
)1, S the e Parish
likit.4::alor, rallw of St. Luke against the Bill, on the
'lip "R the 47 would interfere with the roadway and
,csile. banks of the Thames.
7tllCetseesotlicwitor to the Chelsea Improvement Act, gave
hen the Committee adjourned.

k0b,,.. GROUP P.
ki,ltttit,,Zrlt WALES RAILWAY.
Sk4ll4.ll44,rkeed.:"'sernbled at the usual hour this morning, and
111,. thirll4437_to business. .
,Nriihrt the ,!'lorried the examination of Mr. Birklan . a He
ILlklet.hi—"ount of iron annually exported from Newport
iljitt li 600 li bUt during the last year it was 220,000 tons,
lkli,, rkodue'°9.o tons,
Great quantities of timber and char-
NN)ir al toieia" In Herefordshir and those articles were very
k,7ita% eve and manufacturing districts. The timber, at
11444,.%t1i brace/ down the Wye into Monmouthshire, and
4; 11,„'Ityno,
I, tic to Or iron would be of great use in its conva.yan.ctes.
iillt
444
earditt that r was produced in the Merthyr districts
II tv tb tor exportation, amounted to 18,000 tons kil tit t
Nt it id . rade was ra idl increasing. A 'great
itt tarttide .t° iron
'i,1:411, iiiry in a.r.,_ . ores frompy Newport and Cardiff.
at Newport
k 21%2 With ;L`eutlltural produce existed both
1 Nistalil produce, exception that atCardi a greater traffic
exports to and fro be-
-1 k:tl44lly. and Gio.._ The imports and.
114 trek The inrester and Cardiff amounted to 89,1010r0e
\4l44ihita
4.....ereornmunication between. Glamorgans 1
it '4ll,lsheie„,"' Monmouthshire was' very considerable,..was
\i'lipill'ltOt,c°4l:.l. ~.4"1,;
valley of Neath abounded in mineral pro-
iii;tliti4tkltitaelderabi_ eroleal works in the neighbourhood, which
a
votlll6 b,,,`„qUantities of acids. . There wascara-
\ll:kt
.44'1 the
_rule Neath valley, which would
\44
aggregatetons
annually.quain-
1/4,°lthiNtih---ii af.ntedtr.P_ ()
o samounteded railwtoay.lsoT,ohoeo
itkoheraNatiuoe Neat!) district amounted to 5,000, and a
\ttillrN 4:tes tb tt ahle existed between Cardiff and Neath.
11,, 4,4(.4 .at were consumed In South Wales were im-
\,7iltNathtitlec: the consumption was fully:three-fourths of
rk.%.,tttelltted n,"teled in Great Britain. The value of the
,:it 'ith .4,4' shout 2,000,000/. Some of the copper was ex-
'lsl th. 4 it rail and to Bristol, Liverpool, and London. The
,11 111,,,.. eopil„,r4waY would afford very great facility for the
I tktltiyil'et't ti,;•B A large number of persons frequented
i iitt44l,,S4 a°,141 miner months, for the purpose of sea-
-11 01,' alto it `oOstimption of al at Swansea amounted
ki roa to Ireland be a convenient port for the cap ,rta-
, Vibtillonitheat 'eland. A.
' VI kirroo ,_ The WI) , great interchange
.of produce
' ibiltotilitile,'Os at, hole of the South Walesdistrict, amount-
a''` Whir-i','°°anY, and he knew of no other locality
, tit r,r4i4,,,- So much needed the facilities for convey-
kilk 1,1;:e dbr"tYi Would afford. The metallic productions
k 1,4 faits htsi quaatriet‘ which the line traversed were very
N,1Zk,rt.1,44.4%,1ien 2.7,,_f tin plates manufactured last year
li,NOtiattis rift 101.1.,,,ur9_a0nd 28,000 tons, the value of which,
O,L, :3 14 blnek ri2 II) was about 800,000/. Consider-
-1,1%7 it oda, the
,i'.,',, . spelter, and copper ore were also
in o.ooot durin"n'tY of the line. The quantity
OtittOlN9 at' 500 In the last year amounted to
Nte.t,l• Ti, 'iltia i,,00 tons, which, being estimated at the
lot tt 1 -else ,0f 91. Per ton, ,would yield a result of
ic;iit4ity:(4, Ze'ehulations had 'allbeen taken from the
tittlthar itiltith'ereaserigave Only a low average, and they would
, 4 iticr. lk,r e rldnera, during the present year. The total
'INV& r, year,
_' Produce, exclusive of coal, taking the
Opt, 1, htt hm
no .aunt
ea to between 9,000,000/. and
SLt_ kiia) Wtbet'_",,,,,le.siation in saying that, in his opinion,
N.NNkt n "'ean's'ine in h°uth Wales would be carried by
e 4 'I-% al)t.e"veYrince was in exi,tenee.
N .1, h.sh,
,*ett...*.;.-tly w Feared
t° °PPose the line on behalf of the
as about to cross-examine the last wit-
Vit -""ter'r
,It ob . Viho a Upted by
61,Litiatetai en!x the right of Counsel to cross.examine
A,c,„,i,,,,„„i:).,„.
N ,0,„,, , 4 11e room u
11 Vl4 4,1 a • as ordered to be elea cd, and
'i,til 4ts ~Ile rt:lti thEt th
Litht4 h. "hith -t,itted . e Conirnittf e were of opinion that Mr.
1 Ao eitk 1° his 'tZtl, -144 ted ~_ cross.examination to the parti-
-4 ;lkie out b.
Bt Jibe
Company for whom he appeared,
1,44:,4 li tpr Den), to enter generally into all the
AS Qtros-,ed with ia ed his eross-exan ination.
~,,..
shortly by Mr. Lew on behalf
1