The Sun.
London, England, 1820-05-19 00:00:00

CIVIL LIST.

On the motion of Lord cASTLEttgAntt, that the
Report of the Civil Lis,t-Bal be received-,,...
Mr. Ctrewe.tg begged the _if-diligence of the
House for a few moments. -He could help
deeply lamenting that in the present state of the
country, Ministers had not thought fit to return:.
mend a different course of proceeding with reitect
to the Civil List. However desirable ii was that
the splendour. of the Crown Should he kept up,
he distress tvlich was allowed on all hands to
exist, required that the Civil List, s well iv A.
other branches. of the public expenditure should
be considerably diminished. It was in vain •to
hope for relief trout 0!e burdens under which we
laboured, unless every possible economy was

irr tict sed. -
Mr. MONt'K said, that economy in many branches
of our expenditure onts.most loudly called tot.--.
In the expences of our Ambassaci,,rs particolirly,
he thought considerable saving might be made.
He thought it would not he amiss to pot our
Ambassadors on the same footing with those of
one or the greatest Monarchs in liorope, he meant
the King of France. No Freacii Ambassadors
were allowed more than trom 6000!. to 80001: ti
year, while some of ours had 12,0001 a year,-and
some of our Envoys fr0m,50,001. to 80001. a year.
He thought that by a prOper etutaihn,Jlt.of this
branch otour,expenditure a saving of 80,000 i: a
year might be made.
Lord CASTLRREAGH said, the present salaries
of our Ambassadors were reciiinniended by a Com.
mittee, and no objected to hy ,he Hruse. For-
merly there were large charges for .extraordina-
On the different Botbassies:and it•was thought
more advisable to have a regular fixed sum allow.
ed, titan to allow the contiogance of these indefi-
nite charges.
HARVEY said, that even if the al-
lowances. for our Ambassadors were moderately
and discreetly fixed by the fOrmer ions, that
would not warrant an allowance of the same sums
now. They were at the beginning of'a new reign,
and a-new Parliament--they
.had not only left
their Constituents, to whom they pledged them-
selves to support every scheme of retr !nchtnent
that 'could be consistent with the dignity and in-
terest of the country, but lie regret led that no
disposition appeared in the Executive: Government
to lessen that expenditure under which the country

groaned,
Mr. hutArs (of Manchester), said, that •the
sum ot 12,0001., in 1815, yetis couai to 15,0001.
at the present period, the change bi the currency
having increased the value of otoney to 25 per
cent. He considered that this tact !urnished a
good, reason for diminishing the expendr tire 'or,
rat all events, for .institutiog
taltde i
ioqiii, answer
yTwleier
Noble Lord (Castlereagh) a
to the observation of an Honourable Mem-
ber respecting the great difference in the &phi-
matic expences or this Country -and cf
.Ft'abce,—
What right, he would ash, had the Ambassadors
of this country to receive double the amount of
the Ambassadors of other conntkies- ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that when the regu-
lations had been made respecting the•allowances to
our Ambassadors,it was decided, after due consi-
deration, that they should have a fixed income,
whatever might afterwards bathe rate ot exchange
or the alteration in the currency. ENiences under
the head of • Extraordinaries were included in the
allowance then fixed, which before that time had
been separately charged for.
Mr. PHILIPS explained.
air K; WILSON said, that having had an oppor.:
took)? of Seeing our AmbasSadors in other coun-
tries, he thought it but an act of candour to say,
that there_wete claims made on the hosiiitality of
the English Ambassadors which were not made
OD the Ambassadors of any other Conrt—(Hear,
hear !)--The Report was then
.receixed, and-tbe
Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.