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of the Hon. Member and his vote on the
.general ques- ,
tion to the Right Hon. Baronet. He might take that
course, but it was not the course he intended to follow.
He did not wish to take any indirect Means of arriving
at the complete end he wished eventually to arrive at.
He preferred at once taking that which he thought pre-
-fteearrfauthiclealar
paag,rrt.cat question as a whole, not looking at any
After the meeting of Parliament, and
•1113, Member not in the councils of her
--iii'it hiier:sdt!ni'teyliel'ar what was about to be proposed, he made
tical consult-several gentlemen,.who are prac-
the 'antlers, as to the scale of duty which
British thaagift would be a sufficient protection to the
scale,,. f.amer. He had an opportunity of seeing the
believed much was drawn up by Mr. Drews, and which he
That had been forwarded to the Right Hon. Baronet.
Irauat scale, he found, differed very little from the scale
, Nsed hy the Right Hon. Baronet.--(Hear, hear.)
fiF.."... commenced With ' 525., but the gentleman who
xes that scale contended likewise that a certain
Fromamount of duty ought to be maintained.
rrorn the
se statement he had already made, it would be
8 lei°an that there was but little difference between the scale
• 13 nto him and the scale of the Right Hon. Baronet:
in t' his (the Gallant Captain's) opinion. some
°light t
thou obe taken between 555. and 60s. However,
he
gla that the agriculture of thecountry was called upon
point
°;ton make some such sacrifice to the trade and commerce
.oflie country as that proposed.—(Laughter, aud hear.)
41 n• Gentlemen might laugh, but was- 20 per cent. no
satrifice ? The agriculturists were eminent for
their loyalty, and he was sure the appeal now
read,to them would not be made in vain.
Therefore, although he thought that the scheme of the.r
laon. Member for Lincolnshire was, erha,
to the • , agricultural interest than that
which had been
pro. ,
should not
more fair
;;Ppo... 'mil by the Right Hon. Baronet, yet he
rting
se the plan of the Right Hon. Baronet by suppo
ilhanielidment, because he felt satisfied that by taking
sue-- hers, he should be inflicting an injury
TOtilivh. those ished to serve.—(Hear, hear.) The
„„‘..-, Honourable Baronet possessed information
ih":fle subject, which it could not be supposed was in
!illnPitossession of any individual Member; and h. e (Cap-
- Hamilton) felt that, placed in the situation in which
'"ea;l'light lion. Baronet was, he could not avoid con-
eeTfiguse'lne such measure to the manufacturing into-
I."- Ile (Captain Hamilton) did -not deny the exist-
!once (if distress in the manufacturing districts, but he
,!111)hafically denied that such. distress was owing to
denied
,t,
raeentas,ll).
"le Corn-laws. Of course while distress existed,
tall increase in
pause
tia,e.hvnenld.a:ditrnthoshitne in
that distress,- but he again
the price of provisions would
hatically that the Corn-laws had
byltahvadariebteyenofcoThseerdebayasoevse,itrading,
allusion h
had been
ed
eonf tlle insideT to which
question. With these rehaysiutrhye
inßibgrhitngliinogn.fiGunienatrldemthaine
own particular
duty,thfelotwohnoilye views on the question he felt it his
affected h* as a Member of Parliament. legislating
"tintrY, but as the representative of his
, wilts
constituency, whose interests were vitally
the Hight question to support the proposition of
ght on B ,
Aft cluL • aronet.—(Cheers.)
Who had last congratulated. congratulated. the Hon. Gentleman
itients. ast sNken on such lacable consti7
the Gov (A laugh.) The Hon. Gentleman admitted that
1.:..,, eminent proposition was one which would mate-
the mnY affect their interests that it was one to which _ll);.were
,:ea ~..1d not °PPosed—that it was one of which he himself
aPProve, and yet he said he would vote for
i'_. (Cheers and laughter.) He (Mr. Childers) had
Olned with great gratification to much of the speeches
prtel of the 1-1
light Hon. Baronet the First Lord of the
dealsarY, and of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Prest-
t of the
cularl Of Board of Trade. . There was one part parti.
Lev, Y the of
of the Right Hon. Baronet the First
~,e1,,,"_ of the Treasury, which would go to destroy.
thr"al the
which had previously existed
t eltighout the country. •He alluded more particularly
s° vhat the Right Hon. Gentleman had said as to the
toyed of averages • before that speech had been ut-
os_,nads,erlle had hardly ever met with any Member_ of the
of t ~.vative party who had not said that the system
be +,.4l;ing the averages must be altered, that they must ,
Ito "I„:,ten from. the sellers, and not from the buyers.
lives\ 'IL Childers) had since met with many Conserva-
th ' and they all agreed with the Right lion. Baronet
nnriElts t buyers, and not the sellers, ought to be the per- .
• t . make the averages.—(A laugh.) But to come_ ,
tttee the Inmiediate question before them, viz, the advan
Childers disadvantage of the new scale. He (Mr.
eeta,,) could see very little advantage, as
the v,a,red with the old one. He thought that
trth'''„,akst Principle of continuing the averages up
lie ti. 41glier prices of 705., 715., 725., and 735., would,
niie ared, practically cause very little diminution of the
Ile t),s_ at which corn would come into this country.
made looked carefully over the returns lately
Whieeh h°_, the • House of the quantity of corn
' he 01 "all been entered during the last 20 years, and
' only °light that almost constantly it, had been entered
- 'it jcnwdnien corn had reached a great price,.or at least
cern': 'seen entered at the higher price of duty when
c_oas,:as lower, so as to be of little advantage. to then
the, -tr. Re would try to explain his meatmang
duty
how 1 slluieet. A certain quantity of corn ti.,.ted
but
°llB. 8(1‘' 69, Bd.,
,and 2s. Bd. had been admitted,
,'sin -ad it been amitted.? Not' when theldprihcaevs;lbveeerne
4. Ntigefand the duty was falling, whheicnh
t•ah•-.eou
falling, to the country, but when
scq 'n),l and the duty was rising ; _
prices were -,
-11e"Y when" it shown that there was .
otinilgt, 1
corncon-
i.
• auppiv
~,, IA I the country, and thatbt
whenthe additional
of
-IV co.n "cold he of little advantage ; u
cvad bil,,,,Wel'e falling,_and the duty rising very little, corn
''Llos geltntroduced. Look first, for examp e,
-Lat.„. N.
n'', ,rom 1829 up to the present year ; the quantit
1,.1.ins eZeed when the prices were rising and the duty falling
,_.7r 5e117,, guar ters,whilst there was imported during
,txise.,, ' Period, when prices were falling and the duty.
i . -ehei .
I;,110 less than 789,000 quarters.—(Hear, hear.)
the sa f • they took the 6s. Bd. duty they would find
the („,ele thing ; from the year 1839 up to the present year
wer:'antity of corn that had been admitted when pricesooo
%Illarteri,sing, and the duty falling, was only
Mee -'; whilst during the same
14,3114 re falling and the duty rising, no Ipeesrsiod, quantity
ed i*
l ar )
trans
1.,;892f°00 quarters had been admitted.—(Hear.)
.. e.
.• t
310;hen
• 41%. —ast occur in the scheme proposed by the Boa
vaar Qentleman. Suppose a man had twenty thousand.
every ters of wheat at 60s. a quarter, he knew that tc,r,
an tile shilling that it increased in price he would.
histan- e eo tire or, 3teurrea„
,it
wasowf
eltlhaactnowqnUatnhtaittythegpairnessulr,oeogoeLnen!,Fll 3
"hheatli:;;elntsthis country in the summer seasons, before
the came in—the farmer knew the .price, and
h° at
ditty
I,osm over that
ov would be, and whether he could afford to
corn until summer ; therefore, the pro-
' aid ,4elleme - inducement to apeculate—be-
Iv es ae(m Seas a direct
ti°111(1 ru, r'ellilders) feared that the present state of duty
-ae °,--rat. • • just as much as
4. old - against the consumer .
a tc, 2 ate best calculations, that
:1()04:4' 11PrZitliat iqn • Generally speakiunngiesist
twheoyuledambee
;teal)rise(l. ''ih-ti,, or. even one shilling, pvoerrytatiniolnieNhvaseaneoiti
the s---seinetii; Prices of corn varied
suan,„ille Year es theyauent.up and. again theyto the con-
the ' and 44' •consequently creating injury fellduring
In .P‘"atcst ;the Producer alternately. That was. one of)
- le Pape Ijaries of the sliding
stances
...,. r?, ~
ul be'''re the House there .were constantiri- .
' vent 'to a its h
_, scale.—(Hear, hear.
the he . few
of viii; occurred, buetarhleB3l47thlde oillje•ea,din-
fro gliilling theni. In the y
.1-agU -' t° bps, .' n began to rise, and
th st ,„,
:, 11,006:
elathe year was very low ;
in
it ranged
illAduty-Tow Sep.tenliibersw it
Then
so high that
. -aPidly. aearters of wheat, and then_ the price sank
to I s. T there c.ame in
of bee -taut in November it again rose, and on the 7th
agliin ielaber the price reached 755., and the duty was;
the duty'' S° again the same thing occurred in 1840 t,
it iva sank in the same way. Now he knew that
liav,
reached
extraordinary instance that it should_
such a duty or is. in September, and caused
a $i
of
fluctuations and in.ury to the country. Such
t.,.,„,!'
lute
_of things could not jhave occurred under any
. 1,,,• J,ob., but a
18,11.;`,t make ansit:Tliunsgio-nseatioe. a NeVasheilewhonichplacesubject he
in
*i'tl: Jr' the month of August in that year, on the
titliosok
in 0,,f that month, the price rose to 765. a quarter.
t' 1., September following 1,000,000 of quarters,
honvirat were brought into the country and the prices
the d Ne agifin until on the 24th of September, when
\4e, titY had fallen to Is. ; but Ni'hat was the price ? it
S 4
. til'illY 638. ; the, preceding week it was 615.,
Nutti lat when Com. was most wanted, noneuhi-
bitl: )1 . mine- in in "°llsequence of
ther
had
i5....4114 !hay, whereas, shortly afterwards the duty
•iNow -° Is, Two millions of quarters then. came e3Lrie.
less ;40 thought there had been on that. oceasionear
1 'that
there°, 411 parties. In the first place, it
,N
have been
. ' the "as "'44 a loss to the consumer who had not received
, ten%..;°'ll at the low price. at which it might,
said In, the much in-
JON,i-ved• There was also. another party
tleni namely, the speculator.. The Righetrylion. Gen-
Vice-President of the Board of Trade, had
had last night that the speculators at that timetood
quite reaped immense profits. , Now he unders
r,„,_, the contrary, and that they had been
;tll,vi,e7ctly ruined. Ile had been informed:the other day
htst,,aliefield that a quantity of that corn, introduced
. thin Leber, remained there unsold and unsaleable, at any
oet Pict! the price that )been
been paid for it, because in
13E,,(1"er, when it had been brought in, the duty had
11 lap i • instail far
raised. .He thought that was a pregnant
tit,
,ce of the ill-working of the sliding scale, and of the
,tTeriority of a fixed duty.—(Hear.) But when he
L stated that he was favourable to a fixed duty, he did not
.nitate to say that in his mind that fixed duty should be
tY a step to a total repeal of the Corn-laws.—(Hear,
.'. 1. ar' from both sides of the House.) He viewed such a
r4exult as desirable for the country upon many accounts ;
.8hi5.137 motive for not recommending the adoption of a
ti2ice'l duty at present was, that he feared the panic was such
bal'nlatlY might not be prepared for a sudden alteration.
"'re believed that in an average of years, after a repeal
°f the Born-laws, prices would vary very little, if at all,
from what they under the present system.—(llear.)
the• were
he was much strengthened in that opinion by
' t information afforded by the report of Mr.
Meek' He confessed he felt considerably surprised
. :II• at in the speeches from the other side of the House, lie
. tid heard no mention made of the Report which afforded
ankh
~. 41nu a perfect account of the state of trade in foreign
Itries. He believed that Mr. Jacob had formerly
•
~,r_.ll seen sent on a similar errand, and his exertions had
bs..etvvith a similar return. Hon. Gentlemen who sup-
' v"red the agricultural interest in the _House observed
at the t.•
itne, that " the words were the words of Jacob,
tut th
.%,,,_ e hands were the hands of Esau."—(Laughter.)
t,,,:.0 he imagined was obably the feeling entertained
„lard Mr Meek ; andhis 'appeared to be con-
' • . . evidence
.. genti very injurious to the cause of Honourable
Meeks opposite. He found, from the return of Mr.
~,opn that in Rotterdam, where free trade
• That d, the average. price of wheat was about 555.,
. ll's': , yes the statement of Mr. Meek. And, in
Thento?l, the average price at Ostend was about 50s.
tinit_" Prices were so near the English prices as to be
a.._, c_astonishing. In rich countries, like Holland
tCt._ England, where the population was so great,
're tattst be a large tiVl4l4 fur corn, The Right