The Sun.
London, England, 1845-02-21 00:00:00

TILE SL N, LONDON, FRIDAY MORNING, FEBRUARY 21, 1845.

to the great principle of " justice to Ireland" might
well imagine themselves not precluded from advo
eating, with equal earnestness, "justice to England."
When a people conceive that they are unnecessarily
subjected to an odious and inquisitorial impost, they
are very apt to become at least didactic on the enor-
mity of grinding taxation, in general. But when they
find themselves selected, exclusively, to bear the whole
of the detestable burden, and their brethren and
compatriots of one great integer of the national union
or confederacy, to which they belong, altogether
exempted from it, that people are sure to perceive
the practical hardship they suffer through so invidious
and unequitable a distinction. Their protest and
remonstrances against the unfairness complained of
become animated and indignant in proportion to the
distinctness w ith which they can detect it. Those
remonstrances and that protest have found a caustic
and sharp-witted exponent in Mr. ROEBUCK. In the
very first course he ran at Sir ROBERT, he fairly un-
horsed his adversary. He pushed the Premier home
with the undeniable discrepancy between his own
avowed plea of Friday night last, in apology
for the heavy tax he had to propose the con-
tinuance of, on property and income, " that
it was in order to meet and satisfy the com-
mon exigencies of the country," with the fact of his
having excepted Ireland from its operation. If the
exigencies to be provided for by the stringent and
extraordinary course the Minister has taken be com-
mon, in relation to all the components of the United
Kingdom, why was Ireland to be thus invidiously
released from her liability to her proportionable con-
tribution ? If those exigencies do not affect Ireland,
why was it not shown that they could affect the
condition and interests of England, Scotland,
and Wales, only ? " From Tamworth Tower to
Leddlesdale" is not one- twentieth part of the distance
of Sir ROBERT PEEL'S 'reply from these interroga-
tories. The Right Hon. Baronet faced about to
make a showy feint at the granite outworks of Mr.
JOSEPH Huraz. He hovered about that Hon. Mem-
ber's speech with all kinds of unwonted courtesies,
salutes, and compliments, at the expense of a speech
which was delivered on Friday by an Zion. and Gal-
lant Conservative follower of the Right Hon. Baro-
net, which speech the latter unkindly characterised as
" very foolish," and in a moment of unpremeditated
candour, admitted that " he had heard it with dismay."
Characteristic soothing, this, to be sure, for the
Irish Tory agricultural interest. A leaf, if you will,
out of the same primer, " Discouragement to the
Landed Proprietary made easy," from which, if we
may believe the Morning Post, the disciplinarian
Premier reads a " Select Lesson" every evening to
the more refractory of his Conservative class. But
really, we do not see that it met the argument of the
Learned Member for Bath on the positive inequity of
the distinction between Ireland and Great Britain, or
the relative degree in which that inequity is enhanced
by the fact that Ireland has enjoyed a long exemption
from the assessed taxes paid by the people of Great
Britain. We put the case, not in reference to the
question of the ability, or inability, of Ireland to take
her share of the burden of property-tax and assessed
taxes—a question we are not called upon now to enter
into ;—but, in reference, solely, to the fact admitted,
that she does not take that share, and to the
sort of argument on which the Premier may
have attempted to defend her exemption.
The case urged by Mr. ROEBUCK as showing an
equitable ground why Ireland should bear her pro-
portion of property-tax was strengthened by the
consideration which Mr. ROEBUCK enforced upon the
House, " that the Irish landlord had been recently
much benefited by the amount of tithe ad.led to his
estate ;" and the reflection, so successfully enlarged
upon by all popular Irish speakers, that the Irish
landlord could travel from Limerick or Dublin to
London, from London to Naples, winter in Rome,
lounge through a spring in Paris, pass an autumn in
Saxony, and return to Cork, Waterford, or any other
part of Ireland where his property might happen to
lie, " without being once molested by the demands
of the tax-gatherer." Mr. SHEIL'S was a singular
answer to the demand of Mr. ROEBUCK. " The Irish
absentee landlords already drained the country of
large sums." But the English income and property-
tax payers are not the cause of their absence ; and
why should they contribute the proportion which
the Irish landlord ought to pay, in addition to their
own ? " The Crown rents and quit rents of Ireland
were also expended in the embellishment of London
and of Windsor Castle." In what relative propor-
tion,—Mr. ROEBUCK might have asked,—to the sums
contributed from the Consolidated Fund (on which
the Exchequer and other issues for public works are
charged), for the improvement and construction of
roads, bridges, harbours, &c., &c., in Ireland ? The
truth seems to be that the acute mind of Mr. SHELL
was sensible of the feebleness of such an argument ;
and therefore rushed into vaticinations and warnings
connecting the experience of the past with the proba-
bilities of the futnre ; SWIFT'S agitation of Ireland,
about WOOD'S half-pence, with Mr. O'CONNELL'S
agitation, should you put into his hands such a
weapon as the opposition that would blaze up
throughout Ireland to the introduction of a pro-
perty-tax.

But all this is rather ad hominem than ad rem.
Mr. 'WILLIAMS'S subsequent amendment, declaring
that all persons in the receipt of the public
money is Ireland, should be liable to the same in-
come-tax as that paid by the people of England,
does not at all go to the extent of the broader prin-
ciple of Mr. ROEBUCK'S proposition. If the latter be
good for anything, it cannot be satisfied by limiting
its application to an income-tax, instead of one on
property, and its levy to the recipients of official in-
come. If the amendment of Mr. WILLIAMS fell to the
ground from its own imperfections of scope, better suc-
cess must be allowed to have attended the arguments of
Lord BERNARD, Mr. BELLEW, and Sir H. W. BAR-
RON, inasmuch as they voted in the majority against
the Learned Member for Bath's proposition, than they
merited. They were speeches whose only remarkable
quality consisted in the intensity of their selfish
unreasonableness. We shall not pursue this
matter through the observations of the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Sergeant MURPHY,
Lord PALMERSTON and others who followed on the
same side. The principle of equitable division of
the burden between the two countries, which was the
strength of Mr. ROEBUCK'S address, was never once
grappled with. Mr. GOULBURN'S Exchequer statistics
were responded to by Mr. HUME, in a speech which
closed with this fair and dispassionate remark :—" If
the people of Ireland demanded equal rights and equal
privileges with their fellow-subjects, let them first be
able to stand up and say they paid equally towards
the expenditure of the country." The opinions of
Mr. HUME, strange to say, found fast backers in
Col. SIBTHORP, Mr. BLACKSTONE, and others of his
" ancient foes." But the finest thing of the evening was
decidedly the acting of Sir R. PEEL. He has studied the
very idiosyncracy of " SAM Sracs." The great
modern master of " soft-sawder" could not have ac-
quitted himself more creditably than Sir ROBERT, in
his honeyed compliments and elaborate, though some-
what tardy, praise (for he admitted to the Member
for Montrose 40 years' of most eminent public service)
of Mr. HUME. But what was Sir ROBERT'S conclu-
sive and "sufficing reason" for exempting Ireland
from this tax ? That there did not already " exist in
that country a machinery for collecting it," and that to
create a new one would be so operose and expensive an
undertaking as to make it not worth while to impose
the tax there. In the first place, Mr. HUME had pre-
viously shown that there does exist in Ireland the
whole staff for the collection of poor-rate, which could
be made instantly available for property-tax. In the
second, how could Sir ROBERT preserve his gravity
when he suggested the difficulty of organising a ne w
one ! But why a new one at all ? We will venture
to promise him that the people of England, Scotland,
and Wales, could be persuaded to deprive themselves
of the tender attentions of his income-tax commis-
sioners, their clerks, boards, and collectors, without
one murmur; and he would undertake to bring, at
twenty-four hours' notice, 50,000 of the payers
of this tax down to Blackwall, to greet the exporta-
tion of this whole army of officials, with bags, books,
and baggage, schedules, ledgers, papers, and distress
warrants far " Ireland," by the GREAT BRITAIN.

We have accounts from Madrid to the 12th inst.
In the discussion on the Clergy Dotation Bill on that
day the Finance Minister, in order to allay the
public alarm as to the Church property already sold,
announced that the Government were fully resolved
to maintain the inviolability of the property that had
already passed out of the hands of the clergy, and

that they would suffer no , encroachment on acquired
rights. It appears, however, that, owing to the folly
of the priests, the purchasers of this property were
seriously alarmed, and had called a public meeting on
the subject.
The Three per Cents. closed at 32i for cash, and
33f at 60 days ; the Five per Cents. at 24} for cash,
and 251 at 60 days ; the Coupons at 261 at 60 days ;
the Vales at 10 19-6 at 60 days ; and the Debt with-
out Interest, at 7f at 60 days.

We regret to learn from the Paris papers that the
excitement caused by the Jesuits in Switzerland is
still on the increase, and that serious disturbances
may be anticipated before the question is settled.
The canton of Lucerne has resolved that the educa-
tion of the people shall be placed under the control
of the Jesuits; and against this resolution not only
many of the inhabitants of that canton, but the Go-
vernments of Berne, Zurich, and now the provisional
Government of the Pays de Vaud, have protested
against the introduction of this system of education
into the Federation, and seem disposed to resist it by
force. On this important subject, the Great Council
of Vaud had been engaged for three days,
at an extraordinary meeting held at Lausanne•
The object of the meeting was to come to a vote
on the instructions to be given to the Deputies to be
sent to the General Diet—one party contending that
the Diet should not concur in any resolution for the
expulsion of the Jesuits, while the other was for more
violent measures, and were supported by 32,000 per-
sons, who had signed a petition against the Jesuits.
After lengthened discussions the Grand Council, by a
majority of 104 to 63, resolved that a polite but press-
ing request be addressed to the state of Lucerne, that
it should not act upon its resolution relative to the
introduction of the order of Jesuits into its canton.
It founds this request on the grave troubles which
that decree has occasioned in. Switzerland, on the fact
that the order of Jesuits are essentially hostile to Pro-
testantism, and especially on the fact that the canton
of Lucerne, as directing canton, should be still more
circumspect as regarded the other cantons. Since
that event the whole of the Council had abdicated,
and at a general meeting of the people at Lausanne, a
provisional Government, composed of nine members,
and having for its president M. DRUEY, Councillor of
State, had been appointed. These events, which had
for their motive the fact of the Grand Council not
having paid sufficient attention to the petition sent in
by 32,000 persons, for the expulsion of the Jesuits,
took place on the 14th and 15th. In the meantime,
Lucerne is preparing for a contest, by assembling
and levying troops. On the other hand, popular
meetings hostile to the Jesuits had taken place, at
which most exciting language had been used. Vo-
lunteer bands were assembled in various places, and
drilled, evidently prepared for resistance. Should a
civil war take place little doubt remains that Austria
on the one side and France on the other would take
steps to prevent any serious consequences.
The forthcoming discussion on the Secret Service
Money Bill and the affair of the Archbishop of LYONS
occupied the public mind at Paris. According to the
Journal des Debats, the Opposition are at a loss
what course to pursue. " A meeting," it says, " was
held on Sunday at M. Timm's, which was attended
by the leaders of the coalition, among others MM.
BERRYER, BILLAULT, and ODILON BARROT. Some
wanted to recommence the discussion on the foreign
policy, whilst the others were of opinion that it would
be better to cut short the debate, and vote at once. In
the impossibility of coming to any understanding on
the conduct to be held, the meeting separated with
out having decided on anything. It was merely
agreed that a fresh meeting should be held before the
discussion."

The Legitimatist journal, the Quotidienne, thus
adverts to the proceedings against the Archbishop of

LYONS :--

" The prosecution of Cardinal de Bonald, in the name of
the State, on the part of ➢I. Dupin, is a resolution which
pleases us, as does everything which evinces a logical charac-
ter in any direction whatever. The Government could not
escape the necessity of pronouncing between a Bishop perform-
ing an act of religious and civil liberty, and a Government
functionary laying clown an official doctrine in matter of be-
lief. It pronounced for ➢f. Dupin : the matter is natural
enough. Let us be far from feeling sorrow or complaining !
M. Guizot has just assumed an excellent determination. By this
pretension of the State to interfere in the matters of the
Church, he proclaims its separation from the Church ; or else
he constrains the Bishops to see if it suits them to have a
civil Pope, Protestant or Jew; he takes from the priesthood
all idea of obedience to a power without faith ; he enlightens
consciences still undecided ; he settles what was doubtful ;

and 1:e places all Catholics in the best possible position for
acquiring a just idea of their duties. We shall narrowly
watch this affair. At present, we confine ourselves to noting
down the eagerness with which the Opposition of the Left
hurry to meet the Council of State, in order to pronounce
beforehand their sentence against Cardinal de Ronald. And
liberty of cor.science is -spoken of ! Falsehood:"

The following eulogium, passed by the Presse on
Sir ROBERT PEEL'S financial statement, is evidently
directed against the French Chamber, as well as the
Minister :

" Here is, at least, one man who knows what is wanted,
and who, having come to a resolution, also knows how to
convince those around him that it is right ; The Tories who
support him have, it is true, some severe moments to endure.
It is certain that the projects of the Minister are grating to
their ideas, and in several respects injurious to their interests.
Nevertheless, the Minister marches ou with a straightfor-
ward step and drags them on with him. The conduct of Sir
R. Peel attests a great Parliamentary power, and at the same
time claims the approbation of every elevated mind. There
the majority. has really a chief who leads and guides it. A
strong hand is felt to rule the Government, and we do not
find, as with us, a Cabinet made the prey to a thousand
subaltern influences, which dietate the law instead of obeying.
Nothing can be more bold and energetic than the plans pro-
posed by Sir R. Peel. The system commenced in 1842,
when the first reform in the tariff was made, now re-
ceives a complement worthy of it. Eight days ago the
French Ministry caused the rejection of a reform which would
have been eminently beneficial and popular—we mean the
postal reform—by alarming the Chamber with chimerical
fears of a deficit. With these timid and common-place tac-
tics compare those of Sir R. Peel, What is the Exchequer
about to lose by the reforms lie proposes? A revenue of
84,000,000 f. This is a calculation made by Sir Robert him-
self. lie sacrifices without hesitation the surplus shown by
weliknowing to what he exposes himself, the
the last financial year. lie makes this sacrifice deliberately,
ily
ponsibility does not stay his hand. lie leaves
responsibility he incurs in the eyes of his country. The
Nv,aosllltllretas
''aellnsveaoinf ttheirsrroerss, all puerile fears, to the mere calculators of
figures. He is perfectly aware that the Treasury will find
under a thousand forms, through a thousand different chan-
nels, in the increase of the general welfare, an ample com-
pensation for these temporary losses. One more word. Sir
R. Peel thinks and acts like a statesman. This is rare now-
a-days ; for what has been said of the gods and of kings has
become much more true with regard to great ministers—they
are leaving the earth."
THE BOURSE--TUESDAY, FEB. 18.
First Highest Lowest Last
Price. Price. Price. Price.
French Five per Cents...." 122 65 .. 122 80 .. 122 65 .. 122 75
Three Fir Cents.— •• 85 .. 85 10 .. 85 .. 85 5
New Loan 85 95 •• 85 95 .. 85 95 .. 85 95
.•3255 ..3255
Gouinßan • • es— L 82555 :.•31082575 50 ..1085 ..1085
655 .. 655 .. 655 .. 655
105 .. 105 .. 105 .. 106
Belgian Fives, 141140 • • • • • • • •
1842 •••••• 10614 .. 106;4 •• 1064 106%
BBeanigikanoffiFankranki.ce").•..K.Sll;•arl•"•
Four-and-a-Half . • 103% • • 103% • • 103% • • 103%
Two-and-a-Half• •• • 61 .. 75 .. 61 • . 75
Spanish Threes•••••••••••• 41 .. 41% .. 4114 41%
Active................. 3814 • • 3834 •• 2834
Pa55ive............ 67i • • 6/s .. .. 6%
Portuguese Five per Cents.. 593 5934 .. 59% •. 19%
Nespolitan•••••••••••• 100 .. 100 .. 100 .. 100
. 10,5 .. 105 .. 105 .. 115

MONEY and COMMERCIAL NEWS.
CITY, THURSDAY IVENINCI.
The English Securities leave oft' firmly. Cortsols at 99%
%; New Three-and-a-Quarter per Cents., at 103% 3% ; and
Exchequer Bills, at 555. to 58s. premium, being a rise on the
latter.
The Foreign Market was steady. Spanish Actives brought
28% : the Three per Cents., 433/4 •, Portuguese Con-
verted, 59% to 60; Mexican, 3514 ; and Brazilian, 901%.
Belgian Two-and-a-Half per Cent. Bonds were 60% 14.
The additional transactions in Railway Shares have been
these :—Birmingham and Gloucester, New, were 15% ;
Bristol and Exeter, 131/s to 12%; Caledonian, 23A ; Cam-
bridge and Lincoln, OA ; Churnet Valley, 6to 14 ; Diss
and Yarmouth. %; Dublin and Galway, % to %; Eastern-
Counties, 2% ; Edinburgh and dlasgow, 10; Great
Southern and WeStern (Ireland) Extension, 43/4 ; Great
North of England, 90; Great Western, 95; Guildford and
Portsmouth, 114 %; Harwich,% ; Hull and Gainsborough,
to 14; Brighton, 8%; Croydon, 4%; Midland, 27%;
Newcastle and Darlington, 2534 ; Richmond and West-End,
2% 14 ; Ruhrby and Tring, 24,4 %; Shrewsbury and Bir-
mingham, 2% to 3 ; South-Eastern, ; South Wales, 214 ;
Waterford and Kilkenny, 2%; Bordeaux and Toulouse,
% ; and Orleans and Vierzon, 1214 premium ; Lincoln
and Leeds were 14 ; Blackwall, 9%, and Greenwich, 2 dis.lll
(Fro': The Sun of Last Night.)
There was no change in Cotton at Liverpool yesterday.
Sales, inclusive of 3,500 bales on speculation, 7,000 bales ;
viz., 400 Surat at 3d. to 3%d. ; 100 Egyptian at 514 d. to 7d. ;
200 Pernam at 5%d. 53/4d. ; and the rest American at 31,4 d.
to 6d. per lb —Shares were quoted as follows :—Cale-
donian, 8 14 71,4 ; Chester and Holyhead, 8% ; Dub-
lin and Belfast, ; Churnet Valley, 81% ; Edin-
burgh and Glasgow, Quarters, 153/4 ; Glasgow and
Greenock, 15% 16 ; Grand Junction, 224 226 ; Ditto,
Halves, 111% ; Great Western Extension, 63/4 ; Lan-
caster and Carisle, 3 ; Liverpool and Manchester Halves,
103 ; London and Birmingham, 238 ; Ditto, Quarter,
29% 30; London and Brighton, 58%; Ditto and South-
Western, New 50/., 6% 714 ; Manchester and Bir-
mingham, 62%; Manchester, Bolton, and Bury, 130%;
Midland Counties, 1281% 127%; North British, 14/;
Preston and Wyre, 22% %; Scottish Central, 4%;
Meffield and Manchester, 106% ; Shrewsbury and
ard Junction, 6% ; South-Eastern, 421% ; Trent Valley,
19.;/1 ; Paris and Lyons. 3 ; Central of France. 12% ;
Boideaux and Toulouse, 2%; Northern of France, 53/4 %.
There are no arrivals to-day, and parties in the City are
watching with great interest the proceedings in Parliament.
The value of sugar is firmer, and there has been a good busi-
ness doing this week. The amount of the differential duty
on Colonial, it is considered, will average 145., although the
respective sums are but 9s. 4d. and lls. Bd., because it will
be only the fine white clayed foreign descriptions charged
28s. duty, that will come into extensive competition with
the produce of the colonies. The present value of Java Sugar
in bond, of the same quality as the average of West India
Muscovado, is stated in the Grocers' Price Current of Franks
and Millard to be 20s. per cent., making with the duty 485.,
while West India, with the duty of 255. 3d., is but 545. Ac-
cording to this view of the question there will not be much
foreign brought into consumption until the produce of the
colonies rises to 48s. ; and this would only give relief to the
consumer to the extent of about 3/4d. per lb., by no means
sufficient to stimulate a greatly increased use of the article,
cr to yield the gross sum calculated upon by Sir
Robert Peel. These views may be partially correct,
but we believe they are also a little one-sided. They
smack, in short, too much of " trade," and therefore inte-
rested opinions, and we trust no effort will be spared, as far
as fair competition goes, to give the poorer classes the full
benefit of the reduction, which if the "discriminating" diffi-
culty does not prove a hindrance, ought, in the opinion of
competent judges, to be such as to give good consumable
sugars at sd. per lb.
The Funds are rather firmer, the majority obtained
in the House last night having produced a good
effect. Consols are 99% to 99% for Money, and
have been 99% for Account. Bank Stock is up
to 212 and 212% ; and India Stock is steady at 282
to %. Exchequer- realise 555. to 565. premium. New
Three-and-a-Quarter per Cents. are 1033/4 to %.
The Foreign Bonds are also rather firmer. Spanish Five
per Cents. realise 2814 to / ; the Three per Cents. 40% ;
Portuguese Converted, 591 A to 60 ; Mexican, 3514 ; and
Brazilian, 9014. Dutch wo-and-a-Half per Cents. have
been 62% ; and Belgian Four-and- a-Half, 10114.:
There is not much doing in Shares, but they realise fu
prices generally.

ONE
PRICES OF BRITISH FUNDS. O'CLOCK.
Bank Stock
3 per Cent. Reduced

CLOSING
PRICES,
212%
100

~
3lper Cent. Consols
New 31A per Cents. 103%3/4 103 A
Long Annuities to expireJan.lB6o 121/8 1-16 12 1-16
Ditto 30 years, Oct. 10,1859 11? 11%
India Stock
Bank Stock for Account... ..... .... —2121 A
99

inst., lat. 44, lon. 20, during a gale at N. Sld. Ellyn Gowan
Port Republicain.
Hum, lexn. 19.—Arrd. Foster, St. Andrew's. Sid. Mary
Miller, Valparaiso.
DUBLIN, FEB. 17.—Arrd. Coolock, St. John's, New Bruns-
wick.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
TATTERSALL'S.—YESTERDAY.
CHESTER CUP.
9 to 1 agst Mr. Jaques's Semiseria
15 to 1 agst Mr. A. Johnstone's The Era—taken
17 to 1 agst Mr. A. Johnstone's Obscurity—taken
18 to 1 agst Mr. Parry's Zanoni—taken
20 to 1 agst Mr. W. Scott's Cataract
22 to 1 agst Duke of Richmond's Strathspey—taken
25 to 1 agst Mr. Bell's Winesour—taken
25 to 1 agst Mr. H. Stebbings's Celeste
25 to 1 agst Mr. Gully's St. Laurence
39 to 1 agst Mr. Irvine's Pride of Kildare
35 to 1 agst Lord G. Bentinck's Pug—taken
35 to 1 agst Sir R. Bulkeley's Hemp—taken
35 to 1 agst Mr. Williamson's Extempore—taken
50 to 1 agst Mr. Irwin's Foigh-a-ballagh
60 to 1 agst Mr. Coleman's Devil's Dust.
Very little in the shape of alteration will be noticed in the
prices returned; business, in fact, was in no respect impor-
tant beyond eliciting a favourable feeling towards Zanoni,
Winesour, and Strathspey. We have quoted Zanoni's price
up to what we considered the close of the general betting;
we were informed, however, that three points less were
taken to 2001. a few minutes before the doors were closed,
but as at that time the majority of the subscribers had left,
we are disposed to look upon -18 to 1 as the actual market
price.

DERBY.
10 to 1 agst Mr. Greville's Alarm (take 11 to 1)
14 to 1 agst Col. Peel's Cobweb colt—taken
15 to 1 agst Col. Anson's Kedger
18 to 1 agst Lord Chesterfield's Newsmonger—taken
28 to 1 agst Lord Glasgow's Miss Whip colt
30 to 1 agst Mr. St. Paul's Mentor
30 to 1 agst Mr. Mostyn's Pantasa
35 to 1 agst Mr. Gully's Old England—taken
40 to 1 agst Mr. A. W. Hill's Ironmaster—taken (all in)
40 to 1 agst Mr. A. Johnstone's Annandale
_ 40 to 1 agst Mr. Jaques's Anti-repealer
66 to 1 agst Mr. Ford's Fuzbos—taken
66 to 1 agst Gen. Yates's Seaman—taken
16 to 1 agst Mentor and Pantasa—taken
Newsmonger and the Miss Whip colt received a further lift,
and have yet to see a better position in the market.
13 and 14 to 1 was laid to three or fourhundred pounds agst
Cobweb colt ; 4,000 to 100 agst Ironmaster (all in ); 1,000 to
15 agst Seaman : and a few other bets of small amount.
Business, on the whole, was bad.