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n. tidy to that amount should he. feranted now, that tie sub-
3"t might never again come before Parliament. This,
liad been proposed to the Queen, and he bad no
.hesitation in saying, that when proposed, the only condi-
tttl.n coupled with it was the stipulation that she slionld
train at)road. Now, with respect to the proposition
11 the Queen- should ;;ire up her title and all the
Osts attached to her situation, he did not know that such
.peposition been made, or could lie made. Nothing
i,rsid been proposed to her but au arrangement by which it
x
hoped that all debatesof a hostile nature might he avoid-
" It
was understood that 110 proposition to the Queen to
'°t4.",-ter her rielits its Queen could he valid without the inj
lerference of the Ltegisiatme, and without an Act of Parlia-
t• Ministers lied been anxious that sushi measures should
adapted as should press it all future conflicts, both at loose
and abroad, between the illustrious parties. It was obvious,
that , 'at if her M. • • • •.,1 1 • F 1 lothl Kin; and j
tie,l7,. ad/ ,the
resell would frequently be exposed to much painful ems
tiitir.,Tustzle.lit, mi.; it we: but too evident that. there was ill
untry no lack of disposition to turn such circumstances
17 answer the most mischievous purpose;.—(Hear, bear
• e„ nthe Queen tliought proper to remain abroad, receiving
z Aittl. per MIIIIIIII, her iMajesty was not reqtrired to abdicate
ol her rights as (-lacer, of Eueland, but merely to do that
"nlch was the common, he might almost say, the uniform
l'tsictice of persons of her exalted rank -to bear such a title
t; would not. raise that perpetual question' betvern her
et'jt'stY (front her wish to ha received ill her public
("OraClvr) which had been prodoctive of much paiu to the
Siebert herself, and of much incotiven eoce to other parties.
,lt• was not required to surrender any of her legal rights or
lints whatever, and in this he oils sore he should be borne
out by the Hon. awl Learned Gentleman hiniself.who, he be-
tieetr'll was in possession of a document which placed the iii-
,,tllllls of aliolsiers in this respect beyond the possibility of
Almaj t- it '
s woos he liow stated he had no wish to screen his
misconduct, or that of any of his Majesty's Ministers.
reproach, if it should appear\ that they had acted with
;11m-slim:is or exercised. ungenerously any influence which
5,'!-Y might possess. If they subjected her to any unneces-
ttionerited, or unbecoming restraint or contumely,
12,t did not wish tOrelieve himself or others front any charge
that might be brought forward on this point., and he
1.2,i,1ied it to be motel-stood that ne Member, by his silence
ais night, would he precluded from bringing forward such a
charge if he saw reason fur it fill any future occasion. But it
.`,",1,1 be wrong in him not to put the House in possession of
'tat he should be prepareil to contend when this suhject
came forward at a home time. He would theft maintain
that their conduct had been marked by no harshness unite-
t"lnirig them as Miuisters, or unbecoming them as men.—
Here he must be allowed to tape a distinction between those
ttivileges given by the' law and constitution of the country to
he Queen of these realms, aod those which usually utilise. t
est, toher rank, hut which it was in the discretion of
t"e Sovereign to iiestoa. 'These the Oueen of E"S',l"" did
~It!'t enjoy of right ; and because she was denied these pri-
'lleges which it rested with the Sovereign to cooler, it was
,
t In be assumed that she was treated with injustice or op-
Pr which lie tools was between the
"ten of right and the Queen of grace and favour. Under
th
r Privilege of the King it was that she might be received
-t Court. The King of this country was the toaster of his .
e
"411 Court and family, and that House was the last place in ,
't itch a doubt on that subieet could be entertained, its it had
t
htre been admitted that the King was the Master of his
tourt its the Queen was of her drawiug.room, and his Ma-
ll'sty had a right without appeal to ally human brio;; to ad-
hiit Or exclude. from Court any one he was so disposed to •
;et by, or to treat- any tnenther of his family with either
tp•our or discouragement. He thought it right that the
should possess the power of entailime the loss of these
rrtvilra'es on those wilt, were wanting to respect to the Crown.
.„).4, power ought to belong to the Sovereign; he did not say
t it ought to he exercised on any impenetrable principle,
bttt the privileges in question which \Vete conceded as a
ir
our, , not be claimed as a right. Without pursuing '
is branch of the subject further, he thought the House
feel, and that the Honourable Gentleman would for-
tive him for saying, that because the Crown chose to with,
°1" certain favours which it was in its power to grant,
earl that at a moment when a judicial inquiry was pend-
Ind, it did not follow that the Crown was a ,paisty to ally
tof Injustice, or course of proceeding that might
'rcluldice the individual whose conduct was about to be
t,‘,1e,4 'too question. Ile should also at the proper nut-
oLti, contend, that the Crownwas to determine whether
not anv individual was to lie prayed for by name
er-athe Lithrgy, and the exercise of this right ought
eieWed a.s prejudging
.any cause about to be tried.
l"nsi: as her Majesty did nothing to force on the Crown,
tt, consideration of the question now before them, no charge
tin't,". been sotight for, and nuthiug but the most cogent and
st parau o int necessity could have induced them to take
4 ste
which must expose the Crown and the Country to the
444 thous embarrassment by which they were now menaced.
.', the case was- now that a new state of things must be
eititted from ahat it had formerly been. After the demise
eeethr tale King, sonic new arrangement became neces-
t, Y. It might be a matter of prudence, of discretion, and
considrratiwt of couflicting interests, whether they
•e'e.T.u'd (10 any thing in this particular case, and the Go-
wi."Ment actually decided that they would not act in it at
„f t, Having said thus much in explanation of the conduct
(if
_"e servants of the Crown, he would nut go into the details
ti what had been withheld from her Majesty that it was in
he'r_Power of the Crown to bestow. Pie had, however, no
attas,"tion in saying, that'if that arrangement bad not been
t lie with respect to the prayers which had taken place, the
bueueirse which must have been pursued would not only have
Tirteti"obecouring, hut would base been absolutely a mockery.
an ',a. tstructions given to Ministers abroad had been issued
do tar back as in the year 1817, and nothing had been
/arel
esates, so far as he knew any thing of the matter, be-
calling their their attention to the spirit and letter of those
beiniclwAs• He had no ohjectiou to the tenor of these
be g laid before the Hous but as• they would
le:alted for in some debatee, hereafter, be would confine
irseeVf by stating shortly, that the object rif them was to'
a am' agaiust interfering with her Majesty, or disturbing for
con,7tellt that repose which she might promise herself cot the
eaad'eu,rta• , These instructions grew out of an application
to act !rum a Minister to a foreign Court for instructions how
jest y
it" the situation in which he found himself. Her Ma•
laving, as was well known, been excluded front the
reit' sit Court, it followed as a matter of course that it could
Vete fieit..,equired that she should, be received at foreign Courts.
leg
e n lieui,ters, therefore, at foreign Courts, were instructed to
latymi.", public., official ;iota:cot her Majesty, in the way of
fore4cllig her to any foreign Court ; and in the event of a
English oturt choosing to receive her on its own account, the
tee._
1:11 A.liiiister was not to assist on the occasion. But saving
Licittilistion of it public reception. it was broadly and distinctly
treat Ilse'', the body of their instructions, that they were to
facility r Nia.iesty with every respect, and afford her every
!ballet
.and accommodation in their pow( r. 'lids was spe-
thatet Tovided, to facilitate her travelling 1111 the Continent,
ladiutahi,,(:)bstaele or delay might he thrown in her way if her
Wile.etas or interest should call her to this country. This
to the
hat beN,.Obieet and the purport of the instructions g iven ventini at Foreign Courts; and. if the paper could
sters
Produced at that moment, lie hoped time statement he
their made
would at least induce the House to suspend
the yei_t!dalltent till it could be laid before them. All
when
tr':i.iviction wish,' to be imposed _upon her Majesty
public elibig was this, tbat she should not assume her
save G; :"'!raister. This suggestion was dictated hay a wish to
habit ofttutii the inconveniences to which she was in the
Pressiee, cexPosing herself, from her being in the habit of
The eybxt"e_rself on Foreign Courts in her public character.
bad Let_ question was, whether any unbecoming spirit
t„ her
Ntii,citianifested ley Government in the reception given
4S be ha?, St,Y lin her arrival in England ? Her Majesty,
in which l
gbetall ead
sty
7 stated, was apprised of the situation
nee would stand the moment after ber landing in
gave her
‘,lz+orne might think it harsh and unkind nut 'to
forded ,el,‘,ose facilities and honours which were usually stf-
th
r:.1:11'lle Nlembers of the Royal Fainil V. It was however
this emmterntitered, that fur a long time prior to her leaving
.utis
i„ she had nut been recognised as a Member of
and without abandouing that resolu.
lion
,ajes,* had been taken, anti had been announced to her
ad her vyas not for Ministers to take any step that might
tioa, tha't they had changed ;heir del ersiiinit•
rep herfle
~,,,,lntav that rentarks had been made on her taking
cUuldle in then house of a private individual; but he
flora `r Ott the part on se, t hat there existed no disposi-
aje,ty lit the Government to annoy or cramp her
than sm.; and was sure that there was no feeling of
r air t higher quarter. In proof of this he might
!tiVes.ty()(titte. 1,1;:.1:se the time. when a larger grant to her
icess of Wales) had been sanctioned by
butt ,ogeespta.
,spe thought it consistent in her then situa-
,,,,canied by her
i:.,11,e of the es 'I
hey would also remember, that un the first
s:sli been ukenwits he had announced to the House that care
(N).l..tiard against any inconvenience being
le,iday. further ltiestY from the lapse -of her income. He
state to the House, that the moment it was
„c":, had been
Queen had landed in England, a cominuni-
ii,... 1445" made from the First Lord of the Treasnrr,
who might most naturally expect -to receive
tlllg, that ) tl
re was no intention 4,1 i. the part of
u 'otti tOLe subjects, her to any inconvenience while the
twitted to Psuliatrant tau:Mitred uuda-

tided, and, for any arrangements that might he necessary
with respect to her residence, she had only to send to her
agent, and all would he settled with due regard to her ac-
commodation. He denied that any disrespect was to be in-
ferred front the circumstana of there being no palace open to
her reception. He argued at sumejougth, that there had been
no disposition manifested to give her Majesty unnecessary
pain ; repeated the expreSsion of the anxiety which Ministers
had felt to avoid the agitation of matters painful ; and
called upon the House to go dispassionately into the pro-
posed Inquiry, free from all that intemperance of feeliog
which might disturb their deliberatioils, as the only goal
which, he could assure the Hoos'e, it was the object of
Government to at rive—that at which they might be
enabled to do justice without favour or affection to any
tarty. The House- he doubted not would treat this
.question with that calm and dignified attention which they
gave to all great questions, and the public, thought it would
share the anguish growing out of the proceedings, would
await respectfully the decision of Parliament. " said
his Lordship, " if there were: any disposition to inflame the
pnolic on this question, and I assure the Gentlemen opposite
that I am satisfied, not only of such a wish being remote from
them, but that they would be disposed to repress it wherever
it might appear; but if such a disposition exists any where, and
if her Majesty should unhappily have lent an ear to any mis-
chievous and falser (Heat !)—who would leach her that
either her honour or her innocence (and I ant sure ',wish that
she may he enabled to establish both) will be best vindicated
by such a proceeding; I hope the feeling of the Gentlemen on
that side of the House will satisfy her, that far front at-
taining such a result by such weans, opprobiun► and re-
proach will pursue her for being the dupe of such wicked
and foolish men,—(Hear, hear, hear.)—l trust that her Ma-
jesty will ❑ow be awakened to her situation, and convinced
that if she has an enemy on earth who would make her situ-
ation at once desperate and odious in the eyes of all good
and honourable men, it is he who would advice her, by a
garbled and false misrepresentation of the late proceedings
—O-fear, hear:)—to appeal, not to Parliament, who would
hear her complaints and do her justice, lint to those out of
doors, whose passions may be excited, whose malice gratified
I by disclosures that can only prove injurious to her, and
calamitous to the country. If any individual, entertaining
such views, should have presumed to approach her person—
who, from his incapacity to give good adviee—(Hear,hear')—
; or front his desire to mislead, has conducted her into the
thorny and crooked paths in which she now wanders, I hope
that, roused to a sense of her real situation, site will sec
• that the hest course she cars take is to bring her case in a
constitutional way before Parliament, and the only course
which she can take with propriety, if site wishes for justice.
I now move, That the Papers yesterday communicated to
this House be refers•ed to a Select Committee, to consider the
master thereof, and report their opinions thereon to the
HOtiSt,."—(Hear, hear, hear!)
Mr BROUGHAM felt satisfaction that the hour=
was at hand a hen he might freely defend that
Yt incess, who was connected by blood and 1-y
marriage with the great family on which our Con-
stitution rested, or at least with whom it was so
. knitted, that on their interest, digni!y, and popu-
i laxity, the welfare of the whole nation must de-
; peed. This illustrious Lady, from her natural
sagacity (putting the accident of her high birth
out of consideration), would have instinctively
shrunk from any thing that was mean, impure,
or degrading. He implored 'lie House to set out
dispassionately, and not -only to do that which
common propriety and justice required in every
case, to believe in innocence till guilt was proved,
but not to suspect outward appearances which
could not at first be explained, but which after a
little inquiry might be satisfactorily cleared up.
He called upon the House to bear in mind her
peculiar situation. A foreigner, unprotected, and
nearly friendless, who bad - sustained a six..years
•almost involuneary absence from England.--
Bearing these things 'in' their recollection, he
thought they would not very severely blame her
i 1 she had fallen into the error of listening to

the honest and well meant recommendations

of a friendly individual, who had desired to
serve her, even though those recommendations
were not (as in candour he would say he thought
they were not) the recommendations of absolnte
wisdom.—(A laugh.)—jt was not surprising that
she should open her heart to friendly advice so
given, alter the treatment she had experienced.—
He was surprised that the -Noble Lord could
construe the language of tier Majesty's message
on the subject of the Secret Committee into an
expectation that by that Committee she was to
be ultimately judged. She knew that an ope►f ie-
quity must follow. Not to suppose that, would
be to suppose that laws more monstrous than
those under which Lord Strafford and the wives
of Henry the Vlllth perished, were to be resort-
ed to en this occasion. The rickety and shat-
tered Government, of which the Noble Lord was
the organ in that House, did not -dare to act such
a part. He was convinced it would be found itn-
pos,ible to pass a Bill in the Secret Committee
without even witnesses being examined, and
without the possibility of the accused being
heard. He would not, therefore, coensel the Il-
lustrious Personage fo look upon this either as a
concession, a demonstration of kindness, or as any
proof that it was better to throw herself on Par-
liament than appeal elsewhere. But he would
wait to see what course the House took. But
dal any man in his sober senses think of calling
that Committee a Grand Jury--of conjuring up
any sort of analogy with that unimpeachable in-
stitution, which did not exist ? Did. that, he
would ask, did that stratagem take in any one
person ? There were many persons in that House
who differed both from himself and the Noble
Lord ; but he would answer for it, there was not
one man who was convinced by it, that there was
any sort of analogy between the tribunal about
to be instituted. .A Grand Jury, in the first place,
were all sworn—(Hear !)—in the next, they were
entirely impartial.—(Hear, bear !)--They were
impartially selected—t he party empanelling had
no connection with the issue—the accused, as
much as the accuser, were concerned in the choos-
it►g of them. There was no doubt they delibe7
rated upon ei-party evidence; but what sort of
evidence ?—(Hear !)—Was it on papers and let-
ters—pieces of evidence, called evidence, brought
from beyond the Alps by a Secret Commission,
sent out by God knows whom, but now well
known for what purpose, viz.—to save the Com-
mittee of the House of Commons the trouble of
examining evidence. He stated himself to be ut-
terly ignorant of the contents of the papers to be
laid before the Committee. He had only seen
the outside, of that green bag, nothing more ;
and all his-objection against it was, that the whole
of the evidence was in that bag, and that there
was not a living witness to be examieed, lie
knew that some one would be called to prove
that this was the signature of such a one—a gen-
tleman perhaps who had been sent out to make
a residence of ten months at Milan—a member
c►f the learned
;profession, who, till that ill-
fated hour, stood high in the reputation of the
world and the esteem of his friends. That
this individual shoeld have lowered himself,
he confessed had both surprised and pained him.
—He begged pardon for the expressions be was
using, but they were canvassing 10 freely the