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tehreeadtelmiroaspedrity
the last r n in Mar7---------chester, when prices had been low and , therefore, that their Lordships would allow the measure to be
for labour almost unprecedented. And yet, from read a second time.
quartet and
deaths
of the Registrar-General of marriages, births, ' The Bishop of LINCOLN said he was not about to offer
quarter it rhaad
fo, he found that the average number of deaths in that any opposition to the Noble and Learned Lord, but has ing
quarter of a year was 1,612, but in the last been one of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners to whom he had
risen to 1,934. Any measures for improving referred, he was desirous to snake a few observations. lie
fthoreestahheautobryt condition of the people of this district, he there- entirely agreed with the Noble Lord, that one of the principal
al'Pointet would not be complete unless some persons were questions involved in the Bill was, hew the convenience of the
tO ask ° fill the capacity of officers of health. He wished public would be promoted by it, and trusted that its machinery
regulatio
whethermencheate the Companies applying for Bills to supply would be so constructed, that persons requiring a probate
r with water would be subject to any future sanatory would not be put to greater expense or inconvenience than
The
i„leo! which Parliament might hereafter establish. under the present system. In one clause of the Bill, which
arliament were being
throughty,m of BUCCLEUCH replied that the Bills going was very different from the one recommended by the Ecclesi-
introduce watched, and clauses were astical Commission in 1842, the power of excommunication
%ion.
_,,„ into them suecting them to the future rovi- was giv nto the Court, to be established under the Bill. Did
large 4 to
Parliament, for improving the sanatory conditions of th - t ; invest a lay court with a power like this ?
towns
The Duke of All matrimonial as well as divorce cases were to be referred
count er ~, RICHMOND regretted to hear so sad an ac- to other courts. Marriage was of
.diyine origin,
.ha.ving reli-
the ,3., manchester, and thought it would be much better for gion for its foundation. and was binding by a civil contract,
jestnCorn-law League to try and effect some improvement, so that such powers ought not to be invested in any but a spi-
ftZT setting the men against the masters. ritual sweet.
the '
,ot arquis of NORMA.NBY did not know whether it was Lord BROUGHAM thought that the objection, or rather
mattes boof the
Anti-Corn-law League to interfere in this the doubts, which were entertained by the Right Rev. Prelate
chest.;t this he did know, that the Corporation of Man- would be found on a little consideration to be without founda-
"ils thevpee7 •
taking efficient means for removing some of the tiou. He would submit it to his own judgment-the best
petitioners complained of. judgment he could submit it to-his own mind. If they had
ANO PUBLIC PETITIONS. a good foundation they would meet with due attention in the
Mary, NI" LORD presented a petition from the parish of St. Committee. When he was in office in 1832 he framed a Bill
atai...
eottin.gham, signed by six thousand of the inhabitants, on this subject, with some alterations from a report which had 1,1,4,4.0:team clauses of the Inclosure of Lands Bill, at pre- been made to him. It was divided into six parts, and was
Lord'bet e their
teAL Lordships, brought in by Dr. Lushington and Sir Herbert Jenner Fust,
presbyter THORPE presented three petitions from the but from the excitement caused by the Reform Bill in that
lieens", vry of Selkirk, and other places in Scotland, against the session nothing was done with respect to it. In 1833 it was
A'.1,%11g40f toll bars (as we understood) in Scotland. found impossible to pursue the measure, and in 1834,
Lincohinsh Lon) presented several petitions from places in from the changes which took place in the admi-
Lord
1/4„.ire, against the grant to Maynooth. nistration of affairs, th were not proceeded with.
the 4/ ' TANLEY presented several • • for d • t W'tlrespect to tl eobjection raised by the Right Rev. Prelate
petitions an against i 1 1
tsr.,aYrtooth grant.
'''''CLE as to the court being invested with the power of excommuni-
SIASTICAL COURTS CONSOLIDATION cation, he thought no man was better able to discharge his
L° rd r CO BILL. duties as one of the members of this lay tribunal than Dr.
%mud 1' ' TEN HAM rose, pursuant to notice, to move the Lushington. The late Sir W. Scott, afterwards Lord Stowell,
NI. reading
_,
, 01 the Ecclesiastical Courts Consolidation administered such affairs; but then the Right Rev. Prelate
their if f tnis had been the first time on vi 'jell retouched his hypothesis, and said "of lay origin." Excom-
th mnrdshi
►e juri m. Ps had been called upon to set aside munication, though it sounded very large, . and not very tenn-
is* &suction of Ecclesiastical Courts, and to adopt a poral, yet was purely so in its object, and was like outlawry,
pe course of
', It it , proceeding in regard to them. He should have compelling a person to put in an appearance.
.The spiritual
olit lathe his
duty to enter at large into the subject, jurisdiction of the ecclesiastical courts was vested in the Bishop
fore was a subject which had been so often be- of London and the Archbishop of Canterbury, the first of
eelhauste.ir Lordship's House, that it was almost whom appointed the Vicar-General, and the other the Dean of
Z'well ti"„ And he should not, therefore feel compelled to the Arches, and a greater anomaly, or one more offen-
ottld Cu it at great length. He thought their Lordships sive to sound principle than this, did not exist. It
ad Is of °Pinion tak• • • 'cl t• o the re orts which had always been so treated ; and he knew, from a
n_ een mad , mg into cons' era i n , p . .
4`°31.1 co eon the matter in another House, and the communication he had with the two Right Reverend
eierniaie romissions that had sat upon it, that he would be Prelates in 1833, that they were perfectly willing that this
eePossihV 50„,u0d discretion in taking up as little of their time anomaly should vested ut an end to, and the power of appointing
t"" the r''' this seas also the more necessary, as the result of the two judges in the Crown, but they required that
erfeet e-ports and commissions on the subject bad been a the Crown should take upon itself the duty of prov.ichng the
fore, opeeirrence in the object which the present Bill sought. different judicial officers and judges of. the Admiralty and
Wished touh°wever, he should state the remedies which he Arches Courts. He had felt it to be his duty to state these
nalt/ he : led to the state of things with which he found objections to the Bill, and it only remained for him to hope
uder which 'sued to relieve the case from the disadvantage that they would be removed when the Bill was committed.
trod._ 1C ,_,_ 0 .
• tittee7ed by
~:.0 laboured from the circumstance of being in- .
.The Earl of .
its •
rd h, and ”':,* In 1836, a Committee had sat upon the civil contract, but a thing of ivdmeh a •ordinance, and so far there.
Thsreally the the Bill at present before their Lordships was fore as matrimony was con.cerne it advisable
e 1 En I • t. 1 C urts
thitheetoieht same as had been settled by that Committee. to disturb the present juriscuction.of the cc ems ica . o
l.
hew -was ett,7 some details which would require alteration, He objected to that part of the Bill which would abolish local 1
Prase emus t
Posed t ed to de
.o present it in the same state. .He would diocesan courts for the registration of wills, because he thought 1
Whether° aPPIY• tail the grievances, and the remedies be pro- it mould entail. ex the poor man while it benefited the
expense
'1 poor
a will in London, but
Wife) a man In questions of matrimony-a question rich. A rich man could easily inspect
all " were r and a woman (who was supposed to be his a poor man could not accomplish this so easily.
eases eall3, .
ealirht i too, ,eh
rlnarned, these courts had jurisdiction. .
In Lord CAMPBELL said there could be no doubt the pre-
Ptrtie Yof 'hare e e there was a question of the validity. or in- sent state , of the ecclesiastical courts was highly objectionable.
eia
.1 theto 'age, and on the various relations by which the It was allowed that the Churchhad nothing to do with the
e esti% selves
ratio. s (dee • were affected, as well as their children-in probate of .
wills or with actions for defamation of character, or
call jetion 'Tee; and of a ntensa et thorn, these courts had 'with the revision of tithes, or with brawling in chur.ch-
thZ", Upou', 'lnc:Aber important matter upon which they were yards, but yet the Church had the power of appoint-
for ',"Y oeer'°, decide, was
wills. Although they had no au- ing the judges who tried these cases. But the Noble Earlidthrears,anfreehold property, they had over leases and terms who had just sat down had alluded to matrimony. Now he
Was ugh no i.....an questions which arose out of them. So that perfectly agreed with the Noble Earl that marriage was seomee-
m rttateri ii "mediate effect as erceived, freehold property thing more than a mil contract ; but sti t at was.no ras n
etters e"Y affected by their jurisdiction. Theme were other why matrimonial disputes should not be settled an a civil court. etleee 14 less i.._
. .
kat, rued t,importance but which in their results greatly The only real objection.
- he had heard urged against the Bill
h 'era of .ne public interest-he meant leg
ad tithe aeies, was the necessity that existed for local eourts; but as
astral
refeoceasionett , and church-rates. The latter, particularly, not think it was possible that the functions of an eccles
itwas, therefore, in-
tioerrred to th great dispates in the country, all of which we ye local court could be properly performed,
„•1,, meriw ese Courts. They also extended their jurisdic, dispensably necessary that there should be one great centre
,-"querrei_inal cases-defamation of character, cases of incest- court.
tesoli Why ' and broils in churchyards. Now there was no The LORD CHANCELLOR said he should be acting in-
-1,1 Court
tuthese offences should be punished by an Ecclesias- consistently if he did not support the second reading, because
with7t_irtheuct.w ore than any other. But the greatest fault he found the Bill agreed in principle with one brought forward by the
ity Qpno:
()the variety of their jurisdiction and the impos- Government in 1843.
did not
rtlu,'4lY for f knowing, when a grievance had occurred, where After a few words from Lord ABINGE RI which
tone redress. B th f h E 1 • fleet Corn- reach the gallery, the Bill was read a second tune.
ereised .es there we Y e report ot e cc ems
Pert Jurisdt t• re 386 of these Courts. Some of them ex- CALICO PRINT WORKS BILL.
;so e ion over all ecclesiastical matters ; some only in This Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a
sml hie over
Th remet_o probates of wills ; others over the appointment second time on Friday.
la ere we °, of those who were administrators to estates. RAILWAY CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION (SCOT-
eal9ateei 'we
70 of them who were judges over manors, and LAND) BILL.
heetedy of „„„e an unfortunate couple were living together, the The amended Scotch Railway Clauses Consolidation Bill
fiZ, thenZn°t, marriage was called in question, the case came was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on
siti;a'aus that 1
_ohere was such a subdivision of ecclesiastical Friday next. .
%tat 08
Was eligible till Friday
aof those who w ' the more subordinate Their Lordships then adjourned next.
ere filling .
the not to be
to eteatest diti The multiplicity of the courts was one of ®HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 26.
110 -eertai culties which existed, for the great point was RAILWAY BILLS.
Wer 4 where the ' •• • had the Mr. PARKER said there was an absolute necessity for the
Net of adiodieati_junsdlction lay-what court
Itrehmu'ajorit„„ ng- The consequence. of this was, that the discovering some mode by which the labour of the Committees
soh, elshee 3 of cases were brought into the court of the might be . abbreviated,and by which they might be put in a
mode by which tle had been
istigne of thr ut Canterbury. The Noble Lord then instanced better position than on the
. . y . _
drisg state ef
° cases of d'ffi Iwhichoccurredunder the ex- hitherto guided. Hon. Committees
1 cu ty
eetiell into t,.. the laws. Now, four-fifths of these cases were their labours were somewhat of the greatest, when seventeen
line, traffic evidence
Li is ease he Prerogative Court of Canterbury. The great or eighteen days were consumed on each
tisr.obtatos'' of Probates of wills was, that even if the parties taking up a five days' consideration, evidence as
engineering
.
Ise-ia; -ad Probates f will hadadministered to the much more, and clauses, with counsel's speeches on either side,
loe and if o the and
eet, ged , afterwards it was found out that M. morefilling upthe re .
11,;:°,11 th`°, the estate somewhere else, the whole of the trans. public duty should be imposed upon the Members of the House
trakultmet-ta had previously taken place were void. That, sitting on Committees.
tweiteesl;i -e"' "as a great inconvenience. In cases also 01 After a few words from Mr. DARBY,
kne ouncrihWhere the last party on whom the trust devolved Captain MANGLES said he thought the House ought
tie:ll4lga bee? will proved in a wrong jurisdiction, the whole to well and seriously consider the whole object be-
t. legislated upon a subject of such importance.
hefi tee% ame void. Now this state of things, and other ore they .
desirable that her Majesty's Go-
tt ere the. end inconveniences, would be remedied if the Bill He thought it would be most .
fele% 1r Lord h*passed into law. The difficulties t, tit er 8 ips were vernment should take up the subject, and give the whole
the that ere so
. great, the inconveniences were so severely weight of their influence on a question upon which Hon. Mem-
Were eourttrtries were obliged to have recourse exclusively to bers so materially differed.
Al wiz.- not °` , the Archbishop of Canterbury. But they After some observations from Mr. EISTWISLE and Lord
itt -ttiou Ilte even there. The probate under this EIRINGTON,
'hit: set 112,, not void, but voidable ; and, until Mr. STUART WORTLEY said he thought that every
vet' -as the ii:"°e, it asavailable.(He r hear.) Bill which would be hereafter brought forward ought to be
taelt"/ rinitult7 as thwia
sto-d bt (Hear,
was oe subject to such regulations as Parliament might think fit. Go-
9everY C,', 'heir% ' ami l e tew nr
w to do away vernment ought to bring in some comprehensive measure on
MO), bay,,• ...1.0 , le iere ore proposed.
pla;eetWay
wlplOner rh4Shipg would not be surprised that
- the subjectsubject of railways.
recommended that they should be Mr. COLLETTrailways. wished to know whether it would be a
anal ettity to the T regard to wills,
.there was no oer sessional or a standin ordcr 2
, had 1 eaSeertajo
d be kept, and still more, there. was. .aLord .
HOWICK thought that it would be better to make it
thatdi est, or „,„ what testamentary disposition an indivi- a sessional order, as it would at afuture
'oat th '''ehltie "" Were his ersonil representatives. As consideration of the House..
'new e aeverais Were Mr. GLADSTONE said that he thought it would be. im-
so munch felt itno matter of wonder elf ed th cora , was .
ossible not to have some difference, but most of the railways
jentio bon olittees and Commissioners had recom- p .
kW agaP held withll of all these inferior courts. The same had improved the accommodation of the third-class trains.
• •
ahoritiolu it, 1E33 respect to the Diocesan courts. In 1832, The. resolution, as amended, was then agreed to. .
%Nei,'" of th Commissioners had recommended the t
Sir GEORGE GREY presented a peon agains the
resel !it husi e Diocesan South-Western Extension Railway Bill, and praying to be
herurm !ea, to courts, as there was not
heard by counsel.
; Hoes ot a, engage them. In that same year a
On the motion of Mr. SPOONER, the third reading of
eased "e of p,. similar kind had passed the
ha
he mat Ho "ament. In 1 836 a similar resolution had t e e
h Ch ster and Holyhead Railway Bill was postponed to
ha ne le use; and again in Wednesday next.
ry Ho
or
e.,
Mr. COLLETT moved, That it be an instruction to the
and e,,„erras pro,,commons for a similar purpose. In Selig- r'
NC' uhieheat "u that there had been no suit for three years,the Norwich and Brandon Railway Deviation,
toll *es rn d er and No • h andDi
Committeesan
don
joer ,
ham
Branches Bill, that they hear parties
sec eoe . it ,no business Norwich there was, at the time the re-
"'Meted • whatever. This matter had been ou .
the petition of the Mayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of the
the setae_
,a _ in the reortof 1' notwithstandingthe same was not
the Borough of Kings Lynn, .
adroi"P tion to
establish
4 lnstratio„ one general Court in London for presented .
three clear days before the day appointed for the
ut good one" 0f.„,,a11 effects under testamentary documents first meeti ANJOU the Committee.-Agreed to.
IN good
dr,- with respect to the objection that this RNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
%Mee met in - away with all local jurisdiction,he b On the motion that the House at its rising adjourn to Wed-
its -4; a. • une dio must o -
so Is la L. cese, from Penzance to Exeter, was 120 nesday next,
the the ea uleolu, he believedthat the distance s not House adjourn to Thurs-
Mr. COLLETT moved that. the. . .
th aenue cases n,
much less,
was . ,
day next. Her Majesty's Ministers would entertain their
,„„_ e bill would in
ess. He proposed to adopt precisely
Pteed !--oold heproving a will as was now used, only that friends to-morrow. The Derby day would be the day after,
-Nee, °, hem, sent to the central Court in London. and he saw no reason why Members should not be at liberty
kept „ he
we_ sent to the diocesan Court. The enly dif- to attend i . „
uta4tee°, the W: !flake was, that the original will should be Captain PEACH
Am
hoped HELL seconded the motion.
the Hon. Gentleman would not
theion of
all
gtstrar of the Court fourteen days, for the Sir J. GR .
IN then that a
,tuose who might have a right to inspect it, press the motion, it would certainly be a very bad precedent.
With respect
the e_CNI of it should be taken, as was now taken, for the House to sanction. Hon. Members were at liberty to
rork %peat 7riginal should be returned to the executors. attend or not, as they. pleased,
but to accede to a motion that
seam. all the 1° the Prerogative Court ofthe Archbishopof the House should not sit on a particular. day, because there was
utted ! Coturoitteef
a race, would be unbecoming the dignity of the House.
at opt, Cowttuesses, %verse from 1832. to 183.6, save of tie thatf
Mr. COLLETT bad no objection to forego the motion, pro-
1,
er,The whole all unanimous in the abolition o
vided Hon. Gentlemen on the other side agreed not to make
r ile,iN'ourt, and
with amounted to this, that there should. be
House on the Derby day. Otherwise he would certainly
e'ottdoe e(1. The respect tc, small property relief might a
pn„._, , to , . re would then be one central Court in Press the motion to a division.
tetsit'theit wulch from the • b • kept there an POOR-LAWS.
% ;Uteri' would be • copies
investigating eing
Sir G. GREY wished to ask whether it was the intention
1, k, _ dig be given of the tee-
s:4lld as the r"'it, ns of property in all future time. into
of the Right Hon. Baronet opposite to introduce further amend-
tetne he ill jurisdiction over wills orgranting probates, itPoor-law Act, as, according to the
merits the present
siettetrther o...centred in this • 1 There • also report of the Poor-law Commissioners, which gave full infer-
-4114141 co "Ns Which it s.ing e court. were
found to
melon on the subject, several clauses in it were be
kI. ,„. tirt, as for i was improper to confide to an ecele-
articularly inoperative.
he pai,
,e,hese teg:ciesnatance in the ameist of leacies under P
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that he could assure the
it:4:9 th e interferencelnsome particular instances could nodt
Right Hon. Gentleman that he had received the Report
aspect isinessitftWould be better, o th
therefore,e Courte at once
oefeCe
eh Chancery, rrya
le,
safner
of the Poor-law 11Comniss.ioners about . a fortnight ago, and
Ikei,to chum the ecclesiastical courts that court. With quite agreed with him in his earnest desire to amend the law.
!!ssit,„_l' es, r'teherates, he proposed to class them with the RAILWAY BUSINESS.
tiIIIZLIS, or "'re was eve y h 1 t t Mr. LA BOUCHERE said that the subject to which he
th `44 i tw °therwise, for rmaemeryin appea o quer er
wished to call the attention of the House was the present state
ktth., to „as eroe_se , their recovery..
.With respect. to
erMee, me c4-.s.y. a to transfer all jurisdiction respecting railway
of the business before the House. It was unnecessary
th 'ags h posed
Chancery • and with respect to all penal for him to go at anylength intothe state
?es e eoutti e proposed to transfer' • •tribunals • was a matter of notoriety that the amount and the delay of
)1414etioe
of ry.SuchWasae themf to theitil claveildth
railway business was, without exception, unparalleled in any
aeiteded fora of men against outline o the
set
of 1,
butis was
foreign State. There had been presented to the House during
, A s the
general another.. men, .
was
the course of the present session no fewer than 240 railway
Je.,O the 4 early aslBl2 benefit, In
.wh. u.sh all parties were
liiiges, three
Chief
he found Sir William Scott, together Bits, 119 of which had received the approbation of the
ißoard. None of these Bills had as yet passed through the
11_
oreaeoticurrin inustice.s and. four of the most eminent
pi'_ r ilea i g this view. The same feeling .
House, and it showed what an immense mass of railway legisla-
-7,, etl , 1843 u Holy
opinions of all the Committeesthey: had to struggle with. In the year 1828 and 1831
lion now
Ii the rsose was it that he was thus en- circumstances of a
the House adopted a certain course under circumstances
-hi o had- eaerYin this Bill through the House e far less aggravating description than. this. The House resolved
_ te,
bat
brought gßill these objects the. to pass resolutions to enable Committees to receive the minutes
;triMa_u_ greet
diffi al . to effect
ththat
into .
of evidence taken before former Committees, in order to save
,414),1,phe Bill i cu ties had occurred at . a time in
repetition of the expense and trouble
h lee uh the nto effect. It was said that it would do .
the parties concerned a
th4t 1k,°,1 the ershops' courts, and therefore destroy the dig •they had already gone through. He would venture to
which .
Gentlemanli whether it would net be
thettit'uought shops'
This was unquestionably a difficulty, suggest to the Right Hon..
1829. Many Bills in which the
e disci e liish that it was not for him to meet it. He thought better to do as was done in
%hit Ph °Ps ought to it themselves,andprovide for parties concerned had expended a great deal of money, would
Ifeet°llttllne °f their meet
Pass through Committees of the House, but at so
ill -tittle Etisho,„s own clergy. Year after year passed by P
that it would be utterly impossible for the other House ollf Par-
n4agitilatroden,jectsv. e
AtoLunrrtTigthin the measure inatemndeeedsertoe
Bement to take tbern into consideration. He
ewtobuelddceariseutrotne
ls !, 114*1 which however they concurred, and
them to consider whether some means should n
law until
qf %it. o, 10 , ever, dill not become to the public
ei the sliest C that from the time the report of the facilitate the business, anti thereby do benefit both .
ere rn_ts ornmissioners was made, until the passing and the parties concerned. It was of the greatest Importance
bike Note, ure to intended should be
to all parties interested that whatever was , which he alluded,'all tilt
agentAtiutted, no , .
announced without delay, that all might know what
lie ; of th Plan having been in force for the proper
II Ike, he nad e _ clergy. In the early part of the session of 11to take, and not be left to mere conjecture.-
they wou t. have .
he Right Hon. Gentle-
fe ki ,„ e fou A .vl.lOllB illness and h he turned to the The question which he had to put to t
-°te, V hie:vs' that matters ' in wen
re
Bill man was whether he was prepared now to announce to the
tateit ePpy t°- "r°llleht in were such a state that any have
House any intention her Majesty's Government might _
itaud r 'ee the matter would not be carried. He was, there-
come to in consequence of the state of the railway business of
Nl of et'iced that
taken. up by the present
the Gover- come
House ? And if he was not so prepared, whether or not he
5,,, se,. km__
_tn. 1843 a Bill was brought into the
would be prepared at no distant period?
ahll,e)
i7e,.110 Pe:l:sues:, He would not stop to inquire why that
Sir G. CLERK said that the question was of great im-
Co allied tfwlth no hu;t
_Another attempt was made in 1814, •
it had not escaped the attention of her Majesty's
4tttlht it 1.'341 brin • r
t r fate. In the present year he had portance, an).
but he could not say that it was intended to
oo„er to lefts wnt
in forward this measure, because he Government ,
any measure to the house at present. But no
th.tern„._eave it . ols province to interfere, and thought it propose would be the consequence of delaying any pro-
ii-7 tlie!!t hay inante
the hands of the Government, but the inconvenience
for four or five weeks. The two in-
-4 ',IR, :id not, tanced in the other House of Parliament Position upon the subject
the Hon. Gentleman had referred, took place
ekoci,nsidPresent
b_e9d to bring in any Bill for that purpose stances to which
circumstances. They were both cases
11 do eyed that "sum. Finding, then, this to be the case, under very peculiar
dissolution of Parliament-in
*sir j so a,,,,
~ when he couli best effect this ob'ect he which arose from the sudden. .
in 1831, under
ld•dsla' m° uad therefore
• i ' 182,1 b the demise of the Sovereign , and, .
rip it ips. I brought the present Bill before -, y• terfer t had been
The object of the question
aere ttht, e with the • n opposed, on the ground that •
it circumstances of a peculiar kind.
and it
of ed i oppe,it. e private interests of certain localities. was properly understood by her Majesty's Government,
for the
u the • um Must be ex • • ld b dul attended to, but there was no precedent
tilts stlikr. 114Ort pected ; but, if all public men wou e y
leCtlerer"ent h
~ aoce of the msasure and if the Houses course which was now suggested.
h -uihi -4 th a" expressed their 'RUSSELL aid the Right Hon. Gentleman was
ter ttrat at it approval of it, and . Lord. J. . J s
precedent for the suggestion of
k that lots of would go far to amend the right in saying there was no
he
eie the
state of business was
tk 4,. , Pubic Jastice, he should not expect to his Right Hon. Hon. Friend. But t
hear.) II 1o ed that the
:len " %mil, "'m should be goodalso without a precedent -( Hear, e i p
• ill only eit did prevented from obtaining a
eeea to rY• If ' not suitne the announce-
mtlt - these_ Parliament persons in certain localities
• • in Right Hon. Gentleman would not postpone
et itteer44 ail were to were to he influenced b. y such mo- ment of his intentions for so long a term as six weeks.
eteb et. editaLle _ discountenance the Bill, it would Supposing the Bills should pass that House, in time
be an end
ilk. la et, °Use of 1.; He had no wish to exclude Members to pass the House of Lords, there wouldevr
foil: ephlithe subject; par He
from expressing their that by de-
senti- to the matter for this session. But if partiess
destroy
thOCI till krBin"l'Quid hon the contrary, he considered that laying the Bills which they opposed, they couldh them
ght •se fr e treated with respect ; but if they were altogether, or make it necessary to go throug
Pew „ it w mu priv tall the expense
or shifts
otti .see oulii e ,
,a e, and not from public interests, he over again next year, they would stop at no expenseed .
14.1iott trleastire, u. highlY derogatory to Parliament not to to procure the delay.-(Hear, hear.) He agre wi .th the
te tote. at the He trusted thatßight Hon. Baronet that the subject required great attention,
- title ":, gi • measure if their Lord s were of , R
1 Lo p
the
.o._their notion
a proper one, they would not ,
I b t he hoed that its im importance would induce the Government
u • it thatattention.P • h d 1
thtl74trZttow who_ sanction, without any apprehension as i to give
, ___s with out . e ay. _
s this ?f all th. "?t might create out of doors. It was I Lord G. SOINIER ET explained that the subject o w twhich
sit eras . e eminent I the Noble Lord referred had been under the consideration of
men bwh 't hdbe 1 a en cons - Intended to do y oment.
great good, and be trusted, , th Government.