The Sun.
London, England, 1820-08-29 00:00:00

THE QUEEN.

HOUSE OF LORDS—(THIS DAY.)
At ten ,minutes before ten o'clock the Loan
CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack.
The Bishop of WINCHESTER. then read prayers.
The Roll being called over, the following
Peers were absent or excused :—Lord Ennis-
killen, Lord Aylesbury, and the Marquis of
Buckingham.
. Lord Livia:root.
.then rose and stated, that
although he had agreed to her Majesty's Counsel
being heard as to the mode of proceeding in the
crossexamination of witnesses, it was under no
understanding that he had agreed to the course
propoSed by them. The more he reflected upon
the subject he was convinced that the course
recommended by those with whom he generally
acted was that which was least at variance with
the established usages, and• of the greatest' be-
milt to the cause of her Majesty. The Counsel
for her Majesty had been of a different opinion,
and had applied to the House for the indulgence.
I t was certain that in an earlier stage of the pro-
ceeding the CounSel for her Majesty had received
an intimation that the course they now wished to
see the House proceed in should be adopted.
There certainly had been a misunderstanding
upon this subject ; but the Learned Counsel
having concluded that a double cross-examina-
tion w:ls to be substituted instead of the course
which could not consistently with the_ principles
of the Constitution be followed, it would, in his
opinion, be a hardship to withdraw an advantage
which was certainly expected, though not pro-
mised. He trusted that the House would, under
'these circumstances, continue to the Counsel the
option either to cross-examine in.full at the pre-
sent time, or to proceed in the usual way by a,
present cross-examination upon particular points.
He confessed that he could not see much
• difference between the course -,suggested by
the Queen's Counsel and what must neces-
sarily occur in the event of a special case
arising in the progress of the investigation.—
The Noble Lord concluded (amidst loud cries of
. Hear, hear !) with moying, that Counsel should
be called in, and informed that they were now at
liberty to proceed with the cross-examination.
Ile meant this motion to take the place of the
motion of yesterday, which had not yet been de-
cided upon.

Lord LAUDERDALE said, he would not consent
to the proposal to withdraw the previous motion.
Lord GREY desired to know upon m hat

grounds his Noble Friend (Lord LAUDERDALE)
resisted the proposition of the Noble Lord
'(LsvEnro or.).
Lord LivEttPooL said, as the course he had
proposed to adopt had been objected to by
' the Noble Lord, he would move, what perhaps,
might appear less exceptionable. lle should
submit the motion as an amendment to that of
yesterday, which was, " that the Counsel should
_ be called in, and that they should be informed
-of the rule proposed by their Lordships to regu-
idte the future cross-examination of witnesses in
lieu of that laid down on Saturday, namely, that
such cross-examination should as usual be gone

into immediately after the examination in chief,
-with a full claim-how-ever to apply for the per-
;inissien of the House to have any witness called
„back again for cross-examination, if any new
facts or circumstances respecting such witnesses
shOuld come to their knowledge."
- Lard LAUDERDALE thought it more to the con-
venience of the House that he should postpone
his reasons for objecting to the proposition to
withdraw his motion, but as he had' been called
upon he. felt it his duty to state those objections.
Lord ERSKINE said, he was glid.to see Mini-

_sters came forward to amend their" Own ill judged;
_speculations.—(Laughter.)—He thought it most
.eoraordinary to see the President of the Council
(.--oriectiug the First Lord of the Treasury.—
, (Lau;, liter, and cries of, Hear, hear !)
Lord HattuownY then moved the amendment.
• Lord LAUDERDALE was of opinion that it was
.incumbent upon the mover of the. amendment to
explain the nature of it. lie Avit.of opinion that
it was calculated rather to increase thart-diminish
the difficulties which: presented themselves.
Lord LIVERPOOL complained of the tone of
;the speech made 'by the Noble Earl just sat down,
as directed :to the. House. So far from disre-
garding,as derogatory to the dignity of the House,
the arguments of the Counsel, he (Lord Liverpool)
,contended, that it was the conscientious duty of
their Lordships to •attend 'to the arguments of
Counsel. lie did not wish. Co bind the Noble
Lord,- nor did be conceive himself bound by
them. The grounds on which he now acceded
to the wish of the Counsel was, that the indul-
gep.ce having already been granted it ought not
now-.to be withheld.

The Earl of LAunnitn.inE explained.
Lord _‘,/tSKINE--As there appeared to be
some misunderstanding among their Lordships,
he wished the amendment to be read, which
being done, his Lordship suggested that the
Counsel for the Queen should be called in, and
if they declared themselves satisfied with what
was now offered them, he would not trouble their
Lordships further on, the subject. But if they
were not satisfied he would move the adjourn-
meet of the House..

Lord LIVERPOOL wished it to: be distinctly
understood, that the Counsel for the Queen
ihtmW have the right to call up a witness fora

second examination, but that the Couni•el for the
Bill should not be compelled to conclude until
the second cross-examination had concluded.
Lord REDESDALE spoke a few words•. which
were inaudible 'below the bar. •
The Earl.of Dosoconmonu.took a review of
the whole of their Lordships' proceedings for the
last three days, and contended that as their
Lordships were the Judges in this 'case, there was
nothing in law, or in the peculiar nature of this
case, to prevent any Noble Lord from examining
a witness after their first cross-examination had
finished.
Lord EILENBOROUGH said, that if the Counsel
for the Queen had it in their option either to
proceed or not with the cross-examination, they
would have it in their power to prevent the case
ever being
,brought to a termination. The ends
of justice would be •frustrated, and the pro-.
ceedings would in fart be interminable. It
had been described as a hardship, that the
evidence for the prosecution should go unques-
tioned. That hardship would be increased if
the mode w hick her 31ajesty's Counsel contended
for was adopted. •
Earl BATHURST spoke in explanation of the.
motion. He said he could see nothing more pro-
per than that her Alajesty's Counsel should pro-
ceed NV ith the cross-examination to such aq ex-
tent as they thought proper with liberty to call
the witnesses back a second time.

Lord ELLENBOROUGII asked what degree of
cross-examination was to be held as sufficient to
enable their Lordships to proceed with their ex-
amination.

Lord LivEnroot, stated that when the cross-
examination went simply to the credit of the
witnesses, it was impossible to preclude the
Counsel for the Bill from putting additional toes-

tions.
The Lotto CHANCELLOR could not give his
assent to the line of proceeding which their Lord-
ships were about to adopt. He was for giving
the utmost latitude to the Counsel of her Majesty
in their cross-examination, but that cross-exami-
nation ought to follow immediately the exa-
mination in chief. I f there was ever -a case
where it was so evidently due to justice, that
some satisfactory termination of the business
should be obvious, it was the present. He
could not, however, after having tormented
his mind to the utmost with the subject, see his
way to the end of the difficulties which must
certainly arise, if the course now proposed should
be pursued. Should their Lordships proceed
with the examination of witnesses, before the
Counsel for the parties had concluded their's,
they would raise a new case in which Coun-
sel might again go through the whole course
of examination, cross-examination, and even after
that the business would not be any further ad-
vanced. His Lordship was sorry to differ with
those he most respected, but he could not give
the sanction of his judicial character to the
line of proceedings which they were now
prepared to adopt. If their Lordships should
adopt the proposed rule, he should feel it his
duty to give them the utmost aid in his power
in carrying it into effect. After some further obser-
vations) his Lordship concluded by expressing it
as his opinion that the House should proceed to
the satisfactory conclusion that the Queen's
Counsel should be allowed to exercise their
discretion as to the cross-examination of wit-

nesses.
The Marquess of LAssnows said he was deep-
ly impressed with a sense of the numerous in-
conveniences arising from the course advised
by the President of the Council, but as it was
an unanswerable fact, that greater inconveniences
must arise from the course recommended upon a
former occasion, he felt himself bound to vote
for the amendment moved by. Lord Harrowhy,
unless his Noble Friend Lord Erskine consented
to propose the motion of which he yesterday
gave notice.
The House divided on Lord LIVERPOOL'S
060I1—
For it 126
Against it
Majority 2O

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THE SUN.

30L1:111 QUIS DICEIkE F..ILSUM.:4UDEAT

, LONDON,
TUESD.<II, AUGUST 9.9, 1820.

It seems to be the general opinion, as far as we
are able to collect that opinion, that unless some
judicious regulations should be adopted, the 'T rial
of HER MAJESTY will be extended to a degree
highly injur'ious to the Country. Many of the
questions of THE QUEEN'S Counsel do not seem

to have any useful object or end.—For instance,
that question of Mr.BaoCGll:ll%.l requiring BARBARA.
ANTZ to tell berplace of abode. What pos-
sible purpose cOuld it ansWer',, 'except exposing
the house to 'insult, and drawing a Mob .round it,
if they were permitted to approach? We are
persuaded that the .Counsel. had no mischie-
vous view, but as,it is iMpossible that he could
be ignorant of. her
.present habitation, it is
equally impossible to conceive his reason
for wishing to let it he known to the Public at
large. It is by no means surprizing that the
ATTORNEY-GENERAL should complain of the
abuses of the Public Press, for the conduct of
The Times is sufficient to bring it into oppro-
brium and contempt, but we think with
Morning Chronicle, that the. Learned Gen-
tleman. should not have included " the whole
Press in such a sweeping censure." Not that
The Chronicle could derive any advantage from
a more limited condemnation, as it has done all

in its power to throw odium on the course of
trial adopted, though it has been determined by
the best authorities that no other could meet the
case. The Chronicle, however, commits the same
fault which it ascribes to the krToasEY-GENE-
nAL, for it says this- day that " the Government
Papers have day after day teemed with the most
outrageous and indecent Libels on her Majesty."
We shall use the words of Time Chronicle and say,
" We defy the Learned Gentleman (and The
Morning chronicle) to point out any such gross
and scandalous libels in our cOlumns." Throuzh
we profess to be a Government 'Paper, we have
pursued a plain, direct', and independent conduct
in relation to THE QUEEN, ever since her unfor-
tunate demand of a Trial which has spread dissen-

Lion over the 'Country, and familiarized our virtuous
females withscenes of the mostimmora 1 and disgust-
ing nature. We from the first maintained, that after
HER Ku izsTY's open, direct, and solemn demand
of inquiry into her conduct, no private adjust-
ment, or clandestine compromise, could possibly
be admitted, and we expressed our surprise that
Ministers should have appeared to think a public
Trial could be avoided.--But never have we in

the slightest degree attempted to prejudge the
case, and, far from presuming her guilt, es.en
after the astounding evidence which has been
brought against her, vi e have expressed our ear-
nest wishes that she might pass through the or-
deal with honour, and ultimately enjoy the
triumph of innocence.

We received last night the Paris Papers of
Friday last. Those of Saturday, which were due
this morning, have not arrived. The following