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BANKRUPTCY ENLARGED.
E. Mayruon, e cotluti• manu fast urer,
frou4 Oct. 23 to Nut.. 10.

BANKRUPTS.

K. ',rig)), Hanky, Staffordshire, dealer in lone,
and F,. Powell, Wrexham, Denbighshire. rivers—J. Calvert,
Hehdeti, Yorlishire, cots on• spin tier.—.l.. ltuaett, Plymouth-
stationer—J. YOrto.hire,. grocer—
.); Smith, Bristol, onetioneer—W. Nte,ditt,
Staltor.l4 hire, grocer7--F. Gt jun. Leeds, ehrt;enton.•
ger—J. Smith, Yorkshire, flax-spinner.

to adopt in the discharge of their important duty
on the present occasion. Upon this ground, he
should vote that the question, proposed by 'the
Noble Earl, should be submitted to the Learned
Judges ; persuiated p he was., that the rules by
which, they were bound, we,e the best calculated
for the safe and substantial administration of jus-
tice.----(Hear 1)
Lord DoNou.onmortt was happy that the

judgment of the-Learned Judges would be inte-r••
posed on the present occasion ; because, under
the peculiar circumstances of this case, the bias
of his Mind the rather induced him to open the,

door as wide as posible to the attainment of
truth ; a course which 'might, from the view
which he now took of the argument before the
House, tend rather to obstruct than to assist the
general course of justice. lie could not help, on
this occasion, animadverting upon the wide range
of observation in which Noble Lords on his side
of the Rouse had indulged, upon a mere abstract
question, as to whether certain evidence should
or should not be received at their Lordships'
Bar. Ile wanted to know what those observa-
tions bad to do with this question, or upon what
principle of justice it was that they were called
upon to listen too. long line of argument on the sub-
ject of a supposed conspiracy ? Were they now
trying a case of conspiracy ? If grounds existed
for charging the Milan Commissioners, or his
Majesty's Ministers, with conspiracy, surely the
time for examining that charge had'uot yet arriv-
ed. They had heard a great deal of eloquence,
sometimes a great deal of misrepresentztion, both
prose and verse, which he thought might have
,been spared, and they had heard a great deal of
inflammation,w hich he thought ought to have been
spared. Whether this were ludicrous, or whe-
ther
it were serious ; whether it were the spoil-
taneous effusions of learned or unlearned persons ;
or whether it arose from side-wind hints within
or without the Bar, still he thought that such a
course of proceeding was greatly to be condemn-
ed. The Noble Lord concluded by reiterating
his satisfaction that the question at issue had been
referred to the Learned Judges.
Earl GROSVENOR considered the present ques-
tion of the greatest .possible importance—and,
although he had not yet troubled their Lord-
ships on this subject, he was anxious shortly
to, state his reasons for thinking that this ques-
tion ought not at the present moment to be sub-
mitted to the Judges. Ile wished to God that
the whole question were brought to a decision. Ile
considered the measure as objectionable and un-
constitutional in every point of view, and there-
fore his mina was made up as to the vote he
should ultimately give. With regard to the im-
mediate point under the observation of the [Tense,
whatever might be the decisidn of the Judges,
he thought that they should not be bound by
technical objections, and that they should mire-
servedly enter upon an examination of the con-
duct, not alone of Vilmacarti, but of every per_
my sterious
soy who had been found acting in this
case. It.was said, that this was Tot the time to
enter into an examination as to the character of
others
rcsontzisra,cv ,a-s;
the
he
tlet
season
lycontended,heil isthat
subject o all
should be fully investtgated; for it was now that
the conspiracy had begun to develop itself.—

how, therefore 7 determined to shake orthat as-
sistance,.it would be material to know upon what
.reason they had come to that determinatinn.
The Noble and Learned- Lord then ably and '
forcibly pointed out the imperative necessity,
that their Lordships should not depart from the
well-known and salutary rules of evidenCe, with-
out clearly satisfying their minds of the propriety
of that departure for all the purposes of justice.
A great great deal had ,been said about impeach-
ments, and Bills of Pains and Penalties, which
had nothing to do with the immediate question
before their Lordships. • Much had 'atom twin
said about the corruption of witnesses: he should,
however, beg leave to say, that until that Were
proved, the witnesses, like others in their sitna.
tion, were, entitled to the protection of the House.
—(flear.)--711e then said-, that his only motive
for pressing this question to. the Judges was, to
have a doubt on his mind, upon the practice of
the Courts, :,et at rest. The, question the Noble.
and Learned Lord then put for the. Judges 'in
the following amended form :—" If, in a trial f.)r
a capital offence,, evidence shall be taken 'on the
cross-examination of a witness called for the pro-
secution, from which it is to be inferred that the
witnesss C 1) was offered a bribe by A B, the
said A 13 not being a witness in the cause, noir a,
known agent of the parties, shall C IJ, though
the COunsel for the Bill object, be brought for.:
ward and examined for the defendant relative to
his -conversation with A B, notwithstanding the
latter is not acknowledged to lie au agent in the
prosecution ?"
The Marquis of ILINSDOWN argued against the
expediency of continine': their Lordships within
the narrow rules of the Courts below upon a case.
of such an extraordinary nature as the present..
lle suggested, that the question contained a mis-
statement, where it suppo!PAl that " a bribe had
been offered to the witness to give evidence
against the Queen." 'That was not the. -case,- it
was that a bribe had been offered to the witness,
who was an agent for her Majesty, by Vimicarti,
if the agent would give up certain papers which
he had in his possession,' and which were neces-
sary to the, defence of her Majesty. With re-
gard to the time for going into the inquiry as to,
the truth or falsehood of the conspiracy charged,
he thought not only tbat the present was the
proper time, hut the c,Wy time they could do so
with effect. The. present Bill was to depose and
degrade the Queen ; and surely their Lordsld-i
Would not degrade her first, and inquire into the
grounds of her de;'ence afterwards. Such a-.
course would be. unjust ; it would be dangerons.
lie had read, and :heir Lordships liad r( ad of the
celebrated Earl of Warwick, the maker and de-
poser di Kings ; but if their Lordships were to
depose the Queen and intjuire into her defence
afterwards, they might become the makers and
the deposers of Queens.—(A laugh.)—lf the Bill
should actually pass in the way he had mention-
ed, and his Majesty should marry another woman,
their Lordships might be under the necessity of
depOsing the new Queen by another Bill. Allud-
,
mg to the Milan Commission, his Lordship stated
his firm opinion, that the conduct of the Members
of that Commission was a part of the general sys-
tem, and therefore tit for inquiry. lie thought,
that the rules of evidence ought to be enlarged,
without.referettce to the practice of the Courts,
below,' for the present case had no precedent in
any Court, and, he trusted, never would hav:: a
successor.
Lard KING referred to a part of tho Minutes
for the purpose of showing that Vimicarti had at'•
tualry made, an agreement with one of the wit-
nesses, and his Lordship considered that at all
events the question should be framed so as to