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pare that.4•Dejontoientns.ea IPot ttlilit yof stating that, instead of changing his
had his seat in that House, he could retort upon
epetoionn oeposite the accusation which they sought to fix
Jr. h Alembers upon that side of the House. oei.. eOWRING, amidst cries of " Oh," " oh," and
itif6"ll4 "order," which rendered him for some time inau-
eenitedi that he should vote against the proposition of the
itetze'eetjcZel"o6f"' tittle! phteloepCalettim'
i
becausee that
conveniently
proposition
•im lied that
and implied
ef te Rilf, the Hon. Member proposed a higher duty than that
pro,esylgoltit. Hon. Baronet, then he should higher
against such. a
tee. IL, 'reorder to carry out his (Dr. Bowring's) own prin.
let
Filet
concluding observations of the Hon. Member were
teri4aTteh! cries of " Divide," which rose from the Minis-
Ale lic''
liouae r I. BARING would in a few words 'express to the i
saeoue
oeasoes hy
he. thought it his duty to give his vote in
dein, Jthe Right Hon. Gentlemen's proposition. But before
Oseele"", he must say that he did not think the Right Hon.
steel raheeerha,d. !efficient grounds for the triumphant tone in-
bpeet
se, 'Peed to the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. M. J. O'C. )
erti m=ete of the House. He ( %Ir. B. ) apprehended that it
here for coexistent for those eentlemen who advocated and
elle, tbr the principle of total repeal of the duties on corn.
toll,,:irs_t:iast.igtuienstion had been disposed of, and the House had
te,itseeeed on adoptinee the rinciple of a duty, and had come
detail—it wasP then, he apprehended, perfectly
1:1 test" j'e those gentlemen to argue' that the protection given
eeri„,: ety was not as fair a protection as that given to other
as it Peens of grain. Upon a previous occasion, he (Mr. B. )
?rots:" the first opportunity they had had of entering their
1114inm at3ai_nst the-scale of the" [tight Hon. Baronet, had voted
4,11° 4e ightrir proposition upon the rpiesion of wheat He
.had
tlt- lereetteie e Purpose of etering his protest, not only aganist
e ditty iLe?Pee which the duty was founded, but also against
11F*teen 4- le But he apprehended that the present was a
fije,ll
.proportion—e het her they should follow the same
'Feed at in barley and oats that had previously existed or
I:k4leeitod,,
_lei siltsteivat!
!lite aea!idon that proportion, and adopt some new principle
sealed ellitional protectien to oats beyond what it before re-
tinositthpiretend to speak in the same manner
ect as other Hon. Gentlemen had, but
attentively to the debate, he felt that the much
des it for was to adhere to the old proportion, and not aban-
:;',itl.e amietficthe purpose of introducing a new pr.inciple,. an!".
tC not e.i Iprotection to one particular article which it
c 4. , ere receve. On those grounds he should vote with
Alr'ght Ron. /3
I. . 1/An, armlet.
"'Nlttlr; ' i '() RD thought the protection granted to the
Strl 'SO qllitC SUffiCient.
itipiLWero, then ordered to withdrew, and the Corn-
of fri '.w.hen t,bere Appeared-...
b, e revolution
"1. ;he amendment 236
53
The teals edejority for the resolution
es th of duties o scalese through Committee.
-41. .e
Preeceal of tnher with respect to wheat-meal and
I.'
it
to
s
toe, CteeleAttlift °ON said, under the circumstances in which
ell of eotte•,ee was placed, after a series of succeses. he did
,11.111,ire e, intend to trouble the Committee with enore
leA teatPle statement of the reasons which induced him to
kltssd,eeither the law as it then stood, nor as proposed to
0411ratt, lorded an adequate protection. He thought the
11,14'l erera" of flour would be placed under a disadvantage
te:med Vileten(' rile sure. When the present Bill was esta•
eeetite et,h?, the. e was no regular trade in corn. The sub-
? "tths C 1"e people was the prime object to be co- sidered,
ii;lti` „cslature ;ere not required to take into account the
to'Y 'ettlitrettortions between wheat and flour. At present
tiereee; to provide for a new -state of things, and
cittei4te whether, in laying the foundation fo
1h1,4t1G4 ~f 'Ysteni of trade, they were establishing the im•f
ite''''''llitr "In upon such a footing that the mill-owners o
lt,'"te etihY would not be placed at a disadvantage when com-
Sh7t Nee fereighers The proportions between wheat and
l'h • -."4 val. .• d•
"le 't would tY) aelel:mto
to the quantity of fine flour
Hit, esextract from the quarter of
ek:tb!...,ei eglidneot wish. in desirableany way to vary the calculation of
t,,,
.att„utir as equivalent
.to 88% gallons of wheat, but
1,1111'14 el,etee to impress upon the House was, the neces.sity
',Il te ileu than iller of this country some protectioe equiva.
Ole ,adeantage which the foreigner would derive from
lON etsnls corn at a reduced cost.—( Hear, hear.) They
0,,i,.;., by referring to the papers before the House, that
ih!ll 4 R,,,,r,r)f corn in Poland and Prussia, or other countries,.
,f 1 t0.,41a. Advantage in sending flour rather than wheat into
6t I'llie irtlY* It appeared
fr=om a merchant who sent 100 barrels
N.:°l ep'2o this country the remoter parts of the Unite
4' matt!'4 have an interest to send flour rather than the
liiiikatAerz•al ef ss• lid. per barrel. Now, that was so much
Wee see le favour of the foreign miller, as compared with the
itswe the tui' country. He believed that if the proposition
is te Ivotidlic'use were • adopted a vast quantity of foreign pro
'ft 4 , " Coin© into England in a manufactured rather than
ti'-',l tale. They would find, even under the present
eeise '"at since the year 1831 a very large proportion of
11,41'; L,r,i°dUce had come into this country in the shape of
e;°fltige." the English miller was thus deprived of the
le "flier of grinding the corn. Now, that was a mat-
e, heel, deserved the serious consideration of the House,
tt the es reasons. In the first place, it was the usual policy
ii,'tier:gt,lature of this country to , favour the importation of
listing, aterial instead of the manufactured artieee. In no
„ flee Le
sit of peitQ "e was aware of had the House adopted a different
iletertn Y ; and it was but the natural policy of a great ma-
ieNese 4 country. In addition to that disadvantage, the
rtml.fht of foreign flour instead of wheat would prevent the
11, 14'4 of the coarser kinds of produce, and they would
lii:ttseiT,co of the food of the poor. He found that this
le flett, t_ been the case for the last ten years, during which
etle„ "ad been five ercent dearer than in the ten years
e'ley es while the coarser quality of flour had been
I,t,'lre,tel'ecir
icent dearer as -compared with the
.same period
ligtleset e,t"er in removing the existing protection, the Go-
-1,, 'op,' ",°uldtake care not to prejudice existing interests.
itelt!entet;"FY. would examine the subject minutely, not taking
e ~r,t,, the reports of the millers only, er indeed of any
ie',Niseed't exclusively, which would probably be more or less
e 'es, ,ee but that they would look at the question for them •
e the 47 'tee whether there was not an advantage in bring•
Oise arts
into the country in- a raw state, leaving the
ettleteqrteiller the advantage of manufacturing it into flour.
e7ley foe he amount of protection was to- be Is., 25., or 35.,
,47,es,ed'jld that it would not compensate for other advantageshe
I,,i'tr e.,:e.the foreigner, he hoped they would
asete, thate the
tllle.sea:titilLa not be compelled to work at a disadv n. ge Hea
e retie a' the amount of duty was no more now than
siNien ,adeeutte protection ; he did not wish to press the
I;'' the 19 a division, he only wished to hear the Government
'hi 0.." rVasonsihat had induced them to think that they had
eir ii pull andadequate protection.
11;111.4'. 1 EL said, while he was fully aware of the im-
ttlitty ',lititerest referred.to by his Nob'e Friend, and of how
Was efln'-e_tere'eennected with it who had strongly urged the
teeseeeeteernillers to an increase of protection, it would be
;4, ler" state that. hiving given the subject a fall considera-
tOileb.'eutik not, consistent with a sense of public duty,
tie reze"l Y itterease of protection to that which they at pre-
or ;VV. In the first place, this subject was fully consi-
testrate,l,7,Year 1827. At that period he was a Member of the
lit 'Ykleete'•rthich proposed that 1961b5. should be considered
Itjeteee to five bushels of wheat, or forty gallons.
kilt orPed perfectly well that the duty on wheat relatively
kti,ete t 'tour was as 2 to 5, and that it was reduced from 40
leelej,' 35. Again, with respect to barley and. oats, it was
d
441, and et they were departing from the proportion they he
Ikm*ese 1., that they could not justify the proportion of the scale
heithe Berle
and wheat. The law, as it at present stood,
11 litia ,iuty of
1961b5. of flour at the equivalent duty on 38i
te,,tltt usf,,wheat, and that proportion they proposed to con-
lieelsie:PPosing they nsade an alteration, it would operate
k,,,,' 1th,,1°,1-15, on the two countries with which, of all others,
4,,", the dished to establish commercial relations—Canada
sire , esited States. They must all feel that the state of
tele 1114Mercial relations with the United States were
tent et
it there was any country in the world which they
tee ett'ti at liberty to place on a footing of advantage with
thetare-
istil,lteek",l.ilnpor'tion" of corti, it. was the United States. If
!hk,',4eit let state of their direct imports with Russia,
It,' lt th utreet imports with the United. States, it was clear
e: te„ AY wished to establish a preference, they should give
. hetreei'eited State. Now, if they made a departure from
Iss;itrlii,l4 teak, it would tell most against the Ueitee States,
4,11,'114 IC tneY most wished to establish an intercourse. Ase
Ile 'Pee e'e as the advocate of a qualified free trade against.
thelear'ee held the same opinions now as he held in
bil fretb'ee7. The Honourable Member then read a quota-
ith'e^etee' „a speech delivered by him at that period
li l'eteti- [lege, not to throw impediments in the way of the
it.4l'stt4ee-'1" of nod- from the United States. That was the
ee eee-ec teld in 1827, and that was the language he must
IP ike ',, If lie felt that the claim of the millers was a just
ll,e teeneld be disposed to admit
sigh
but he would be the
ts'es of reeoilect that the mille ad the grinding of the
It:,,,"tieethe wheat grown in this kingdom, amounting to
te;'e this Millions of quarters, besides barley and oats. Sup-
Iktetlll-e-:oestienate was rather large, supposing he took it at
14,14 millions if quarters, the whole of that must neces-
ltekeerY°und by the Britieli millers, it was impossible that
th; Nelll eeller could enter into competition with them. It
Ile:44104,1 true with respect to the wheat imported, they had
ki'ti,ltit li:i.d,Y of grinding that also. His Noble Friend had argued
Pt, 're w- ' ,‘‘ at a great improvement on the existing system,
teatle'ed, °lnd he a mere regular import than had hitherto been
le Tis
e ie .e alarm of the millers was based, not on the sup-
ehe et the pro rtion between the duty on flour and
Nt,'t‘ePle unjust. one, but because a large importation of
liS tit ee'" come in more favourable terms than hitherto.
Ille'ell'ek"dit Might onbe true that to a certain extent they
kies ee es er a disadvantage, as flour was not so fitted for
1.;4% of '-,wheat, as it was more hazardous, and though 38e
fee IDA .t"elleat would not produce 1961bs of line flour, ye, e
th 'as '''' quantit r s cond flour which was produced L
nee T 0 C. .
/q),11,t tig°ll39 in addition to the . fine flour, he
them 'ache protection given to flour in relation to
tr44s'lleseaniPly sufficient. Coupling this with the monopoly
'hiss' we - necessarily have of grinding all their own
.horot
h -, th Qq, and all the foreign corn. imported, he did not
s 411 at th •
~q,.°4111b e claim to additional protection was well founded.
'Vete ti,e relnembered, alto, that there was a disproportion
is,t's de price of wheat and the price of oats.—(Hear.)
litAite t;releirtion existed to such an extent in times of
leitiee'iCt, he could nut help thinking some additional fact.
the the Importation of foreign flour might. greatly tend,
eieeleeePrice of provisions was exceedingly high, to reduce
ei,lta 11„V.),ortion of price which was sometimes perceived.
at asseec't Inust decide 00 general principles ; and with.
(!4. ..te•
into any minute estimates, and lookingth
dipped stle•euliar position of this country, and
should
Itere thtes, he could not consent to any proposal that shou
e Ire 1. Ae existing relations between bread and flour.
tlitl'a 9413tC),,yCHEPsE concurred with the opinionhad ehitepernestsmee.
Ned la r,„ on. Baronet. Since 1828, there
eland
"0""u°00 If of corn, and of flour only 4,300,000
is "aed (Jr
only of the bread stuff imported into
ttilileeti'tiellkie'‘'g4:hat brought in in the shape of flour. He quite agreed
e Price thet the
was most important to the interest of the con-
Perliee of b Power which the millers possessed to enhance
14,710,
of read should not. be increased, and that the im-
°s ^o
,I,.e:ieZs tshooaaehrtain proportion,
de certainly not less
He wished he could
o nue .
0)5'01 ttle SangUine uexpecetactioinitiof the Hon. Member for Li-
i ati, '.tclat hereafter
,s,,l:t.e,:tove-,:td,liiirikes_aoittah..eicri countries. Though it might be somewhat
there would be a regular foreign corn
le,'lane "e„ could not look forward to the trade becoming
les'llinie e begged, howev Right express his satisfaction at
edl.nen by the Hon. Baronet with res-
..a.t.le quesequnnu norm.
"hit eetV„,„ was then put, and negatived without a division.
pit he `L` it 'BRIEN then rose to make the motion of
'tup., 0, uad given twice :--,, That Olson% of grain, the
tope
1 the Colonlal possessions of Great Britain, should be
ie 'lt all t' '
Itit rd sT . imes at a duty of Is. per quarter."
teeell by the was fully convinced of the importance,. as
IV, ,11-iezi' Hon. Gentleman, of improving and encouraging
th 04, ons between the colonies and the mother country.
hi: tt,dec°,uld look, with more friendly interest than he did, to
TO or hrtween this country and our North American Colo.-
Otki7 ceelesetrnere.desirous to remove all impediments to their
%:eeenleo_cial interceur e. But he did not understand the
_ylott.. r. the Hon. Gentleman, that this Bill would place
grog et.,e?". AA colonies in a worse position than they
t present a duty of ss. attached, until home-
''etiltle 'wheat/led' attach:a." "7s ; under the new Bill a duty of Sc.
I,ti_ eiee until the price of our markets was ses.
eh es, the"lug to avoid sudden falls and rises in
"itt,h,e itanle Coyeenment would legislate for the colon. ies
;4Q4se eeete. xrinctple that. they adopted • towards the United
,6- There would be a good deal of foreign wheat the
ttse theereleman had said if the produce we now im
ed th!`"ithe 01 C'anada, and our settlements ; and he ported
be-
e frs, isengriculturists at home would not be at all jealous at
mPortation of wheat and flour bona ,ficie the produce