The Sun.
London, England, 1842-03-23 00:00:00

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this country in choosing an officer for the head of the
Admiralty.
Captain BERKELEY rose to explain. lie had never Faid
that the navy in the Mediterranean war in such a state as le
be likely to be deft a ed. What he had stated was, that if they
had been pressed by eight sail of the line, they would have been
placed in great jeopardy. He begged also to state, there was
not a number of men wandering on shore.
Captain PECHELL rose to explain. The Gallant Officee
r
opposite had defended the appointment of Earl de Grey to Officer
Admiralty on different grounds to what he (Captain eecheil)
ha.l. What he ( Captain Pechell) had stated was, that be OS
fully entitled to the situation from his high station and knew'
ledge of ship-building. He had also alluded to the hospitai.tlyt
of the Lord High Admiral. He could say nothing in t!'"
respect of the First Lord of the Admiralty, never haelrg
visited him in his life. —( Laughter.) But with respect to thee
_
Lord High Admiral, he would say that there were very f
officers but who were acquaintei with him, and he was there
fore acquainted with the merits of the different effiecrs. a
S:r H. HARDINGE said, before the motion went `;„,
division, he wished briefly to offer a few obsei vations. ,i
Gallant Officer who had brought for Ward that motions
ad
complained that undue favour had been shown to the erns,' '"
the late brevet, and stated, as his opinion, that there was
reason why there should have been so many general efact7at
He hardly felt inclined to go into that subj, ct 011
union
occasion, because he had always felt that such a •en
vy
and harmony subsisted between the army and f .
every occasion. But when the Gallant Officer ,Rohl'
red eideo
undue favour being shown to the army, it el's ear
-to
to him (Sir H. Hardinge) absolutely necessary to endeavote__.tc
sh ev that no such motives influenced either the Right Iv!.
Baronet, or the Cabinet in that promotion. It, therefuroe,__7h
peered to him necessary to assure the House, that o
partiality tcok place. Now, what were the facts of the farts
It would be found that from a return made, that for thetas teeibla
years there was a much larger number of officers in sar
army, in proportion to the navy. Now, let them take the YoLoo
1814, there were 525 general officers in the army, and 'ss,,°se d
men. In the same year the number of Admirals was 23'" and
550 ships, being under one-half the number of the fleenneis,
officers •in the army. In 1830, the* number of they
•,„
made generals, was 64, and the number of captains,
crs
made admirals, was 44. In 1836, the "" ear
were 42 in the army, and 36 in the navy. In the, I,nd
1841 the number of colonels made major-generals was 6"
-Noe
the number of captains made admirals was 40 or 4I• fine
taking this into consideration, the Gallant Officer Weeel"tcois
that there was no injustice done to the navy
another case, he believed there were 10 or 11 admirals lat
and 39 or 40 general officers employed. They would fin since
the number of general officers had been diminishes/a.
1814 to the amount of 185, and the admirals only about te,
He had no wish to make comparisous of this kind, but if "Jell
were to d so be should look to the expense of e:c.h.
0,0
1835 the cost of the officers in the well t
11,1001., and that of the navy 23,00 a ""'OOOl
the time of the last brevet the army
and tine navy was 26,4'00/ Now' there was no partialitY
in this. Such was the feeling of the army towards thews, to
—such was their admiration and respect, that if there
id
be retrenchment in the two professions they `..ieeed
give the preFerence to the navy. In this he I)! •
he was speaking the sentiments of the whole army. t. 016"
Str C. NAPIER said he bagged to assure the Gailans
cer. that he did not complain of undue promotion, he 00Y croon
to
of the number of captains made admirals, in pie 6•11-
to the general officers in tile army. He could assure
lent General tire he did not wish to institute any unfairrho
parison between the army and the easy. He could ass did not
was 13 or 14, we
Hon. Gentleman behind him (Mr. C. Wood) that he,"l„teio
intend to throw the slightest reflection upon the Hon. he loin
Grey. He hoped the lion Gentleman, their relative, "cord
allow him to nay that he had no intention to speakeat Jaen
against them. The Right Hon. Baronet bad said t"capsles
Majesty delegated her power, and he ( Sit
could
Nap er) was quite aware of that, but her Aojes`'
as v ell d. legate her power to a Lord of the Adraira,' ale
the Board of Admiralty, and if she did so, she,,,iear.)
have a responsible man as the head of the navy—'(t
The Right lion. Baronet (sir J. Graham) had ,n°` refer'
rectly stated what he (Sir Charles Napier) stated es'iw,.lll
ence to the danger in which the British navy was "o
Mediterranean. VI hat he did'say was, that if the Frenchree
come out before they (the British) were in the Mediterr:;o4
no boy could say what would be the result. It vires net
right to tell the British navy, manned as it was at &u. net
that they were able to do so much as the Right Hoe' torts"
(Sir J. Graham) had stated, in such complinserital deo
they were able to effect. Nothing was more daneerleare)
to inspire a false con6denee.—( Hear, hear, and
He (air Charles Napier) was once defeated himself in t",-t of
Indies, and he knew what it was, and what the rese' were
defeat would be again, if our ships were manned as thf Ye if it
then ; it was impossible that the navy could be effect,' „as;
was regulated as it was at present. He defied theL,
Gabrisl—( Laughter)—if he was first Lord of the Adrairs;' slit Ili
if he was deprived of the patronage, to regulate the Itif
advantage. As it was now regulated,_ every)_pebersfoo,nrea-tiapsnbeg.a:,
no interest must wait until the Queen was married---Ve
—or until the Queen had a son-1 Laughter
promoted, no matter what Ws length of' service mist .
(Hear, hear.) He thought there was the most urgent,ereo-
sity far an improvement in the navy, and he would *l'
press his motion. is se'
1 he first resolution having been negatived without adv.'
the second resolution was put. the o°l.ll
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and
divided, when there appeared— 40
For Sir C. Nap er's resolution 4308
For Sir James Graham's amendment...
Majority against the resolution .• „jolt' ,
Captain PLUMRIDGE said there was a great 010 est
between the second and third resolutions, and he we"
taitily press it te a division.—(Hear, hear.) 109.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw-, and the
divided, when there appeared— 47
For the resolution
Against it
Majority against the resolution •
THE PHILLIPSTOWN TRAGEDY. roll
Mr. W. SMITH O'BRIEN rose, and moved for !soil
of the verdict and depositions taken by the coroner a' ell°
quest held on the 19th day of December 1841, on the, t, Pra
James Flanagan, at Clonearl, in the King's. C'eueflit''wese.
copies of all communications which have taken phseiee -„stsel
the Irish Government, or the lnspector-General of Ve;f
lary, and the Resident Stiesndiary Magistrate, oret stn
Inspector or Sub Inspector of Police, relative to th aclenee
the said James Flanagan, and for a copy of the corresP"oe 7, ,
welch has taken place between Durham Dunlop, Eneaosgsea
Irish Government, relative to the death of the said e• is cs.fte
He briefly narrated the circumstances attending tree euk'
which have already appeared in The Sun. He 't of lie,:
tended that the coroner's jury, having found a rerdse Alos
dental death, a statement appeared in the DubliA ejestlio
imputing that the man Fianagen had not met, with •ed to
an accidental manner, but that he had been sacrific 0.
hoot
Ode
drunken folly of the persons assembled at Mr. iga"3,1,004 04.
This statement produced a great sensation throne
serets,ce
country, and every one combined in calling on Go,' elitiiits
to produce the coroner's notes of the irllies„'y °es,
was at length complied with. If be bad "0,-
previous to this occurrence, it was certainly ref 019
creased -by an examination of those notes- of 'fir'
own part "
,he confessed that the evidence 'tee °pit/
a character that it was impossible to say whethechie Pet gl
tunate man's death was accidental or otherwise. onto". eta
of Ireland, under these circumstances, were nott„st
remai . in doubt, arid still called on Government ,!°,3 pc 1,0
an inquiry. On those grounds too, and that t,',4e rigor,
whose names had been mixed up in the matter, shoo'
from any unjust imputation on their character, be ""ettiold
I what unwillingly tie confessed —moved for the 'ot eeoll
which he had given notice. He hoped the Govern' the r Dere
no' refuse to produce those papers, and he trusted
would be to liberate the individuals whose conchs°
lint cashed. 40%
Mr. S. CRAWFORD seconded the motion. OPV
Lord ELIOT said he roe, not for the purpose 'OlOO4
the motion, but of making a few remarks, by vi.a3i,sss t
to the state:, ents cf the Hon. Gentleman' so runic' ,t 7
affec7ed the Government. Immediately the Onc; tbeire
ceived notice of the circumstances, they thought %seed VT
to institute inquiry. Directions were accordingly opelit
th
coroner to forward his notes of the inquest, and thergoo. o
magistrate was directed to report to the Gove,,gelssooe.
whole facts of the transaction, as far as he vosifor
them. The stipendiarymagistrate had not weile .taille bee
e
tions from the Government, but before their arrival
seeded to make his report. In that report he steles' t eatioNgl,
in g the report as to the thath of the individual in (I"o,l4l'edtV
it appeared was not an idiot, but a wit or jester, be he foilljsatre
it his duty to proceed to the house. On his arriatee of t,l
the
coroner about to swear in the jurv, which consierelogsijar,
one persons. He attended the whole of the Droee`ipere ttio
inquest, cross•examined the witnesses himself, °Le elf,Ps
the evidence so minutely, that the jury thoughtePthe,l;
leading questions. The unanimous verdict of. that anti
" Accidental death."—( Hear, hear.) The 4.'1; • esos'e
gistrate had since undergone a cross-examine° ,:oentleePes
by the Law Officers of the Crown, and they srere The erg,
of e.
of opinion that the verdict was a proper %du asloet ter's'tte
would see, therefore, that the Government h , f shisseeetio,
means in their power of investigating the Whe'eAtiff ewst
'stances.—( Hear, hear.) He was perfectlyer ion( the
• whole of the transaction should undergo furtlnesiea tit?
and he did not object, therefore, to the Pr.`"tiona tt,ests"
papers; but he trusted he had said enough to I,"e even
os „Is
to suspend their judgment until tins whole of tn'
t. iti°lo/
were before them,
Mr. POWELL said he thought a coronersLinqrsee:lo‘,l,etjt4
a very competent tribunal, was not one whiTerthooPoPt'ee
they investigation ; and in the present Poe ._„„ify• itigo
were good grounds for proceeding with the i'ay iestpolLo
convinced that when the facts were thor°4 the e° •g'
&elf'
the Noble Lord himself would not come to
,„
whch had been arrived at by the jur ,A theirbet; t° r•
Mr. VILLIERS STUART said be could th 116 (P-,4'
that In his opinion the Government had don" aetion-'at s
vestigate all the circumstances of this trartfeinan 41 sr'
hear.) He must also remind the Honn.st9iteuntienai a.oloyer
(of
roner s inquest was by far the most co e sty
a case of that nature; and unless there teerr„__reeel it/
sons for bslieving that the jury had not peter that vre' '
he should deprecate re-opening the inquire'. sops" g.lo,'F'
Mr. WAKLEY said it was s mistake_ le
verdict of the jury was final. An indielenee reotectlig
fern d before the grand jury, and fresh 0ti,41,00
the purpose of reversing that decision.
were
0007'0 ,prii
Mr. Dunlop that all the parties accused lc,:
death of the deceased ;if this were the ft,rt t '1;0075
paries could be called on as a witnest• ce
tGhoev efaronernoefn tth tehieogjouisstiiteieo ofn
o ar
tyhiongtehpa(t,rtthi_:lei,elot.hiTt3l,.:lPr Jo,(lf,
any further inquiry. He trusted, the.refo.e,,'_',:e. ero
still dissatisfied, tu'e 401 f 'lllO
ha' lof
or the other parties were I end
511
bill of indictment before the grand jury, AP' to
men were interested in not returning an r
allegatione videne they s had
exceedinglyto offer.
strong,
tArotot:,eths same i:ratre
teina ovfr'l
0 ;
The motion was then agreed to. ,(04„ pier,,
dalltble'ette"f:
the bee 'yet
RURAL POLltChaEtcooll:tre sen
whicheoArn l rm.
uThne.tcDahtaUi Nngs€i
tOehn: It
notice,BhEa eo rose
passe t
d bringbt,
wifloser
tooaclo o
a,
I,loor
A.
State for the Home Department, tho
tr., cit.,/ tit! cTosti'l,
got
of the Rural Pace of that county in vo,ratto..1f;dr
from o Magistrateetoberof
last
tCounty or
ef
seNnoir ItOi!rnk
time,
tehc'aetzp
of
man of the name of Smith, on a charge,,
said that this motion related to the effnodrut °clot, ty
e;tr
-say the misconduct of the rural police the
lee the dB,/
and he thould state as concistly as possible it
of the vise and of the cerop!aint he had too
s,eaZe, tett •
of P 6
vrh•n the House had heard what he had t er" eerefort
:twee wi,h him that conduct more illegal.
"¢
if it a 1130,;11;!
iseei nstitutional could net be cones ieecl; a' sole, ife
-erect to prevail in those counties that
had
at the jibe.
H•ntsc would agree with him t 1 Lopti.,;o•4fOri
the were
nw err:ail;
reality
hweouhi*:zelavtoia;tit.tp,
I:ccuai rbaC:ttimentus'aetnoadifnneu:ll'nshalthyeincdaisveidleiT
wthitehsoeu. t
271±,ieeripLeg ssa_Froeile
ciel;
satresehtisrt
of
fo
Nhiosmbicahek,
with
hs
tcntiondpavvir,:ense
his wrists,—( Hear, hear.) The
.I?_°;ivieualee,,
naturally enough took up this t 17 the
carried before the police nurgistra e
.‘Fthe ter? !.„11,3, r#'
called on to at:count for the appear,anca_e,,,,
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