Star.
London, England, 1830-03-03 00:00:00

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But did the bettuilemsdt Ate Map look. ttelteedbnifY .11t,
?enure from the: lam ok. the...WA • which: hat Asian Oahe
the met-- The Nip f_mitetthin • " si. wipauTstrit k
that the eettorney-Omial,'ller pubhcptosaufors f"
it ir a Cabinettprosustimeharestbi reedy. Now, he was, caritio
to know who lOUs .thist asendld the Cabinet which . pea
to. the Attonigy.oeatnal • isiinconeletent. wish the pehtelplac Pad
spirit of the British constituden, 'of first proceeding apint.a,d►
fendant, as the .advocate of a private party, and them. Maio.
round upon him, as the prosecute, far the. public (heee,s Nal
lie presumed the Lord Chancellor, the head of the • late, was
not one of those who directed so onometitutional a' proem&
ing (hear, heat, hear.) Be it observed, he complained, la this
instance, more of the way in which the thing was done, than
that it was done at all. What then vase libely to be the effect
of such • precedent as this? Whilst the bench could boast of such
judges as Lord Tableau and his brethren, the public might be as.
loured that the curt would always hold the same language to
attorneys.general as these learned persons did, when he wished to
cumulate the charges; but would there be a Tenterden always on
the bench, or was it impartible that politico and party should never
find their way them? (Hear, bear.) The apprehension of such an
event might, at one time, have been merely an airy speculatioa of
his own, bet, unfortunately, IMMO modern events had furnished
▪ fact, which gave it something men than the uncertain form
of abstractions and possibilttles. lie had sees a letter in the
papers, the genuineness of which he, of course, did not credit, and
which wanted confirmation by the next ship from the Ganges.—
(laughter which stated that each a thing as a misunderstanding
betimes and the government was' not a thing impossible.
Supposing, Dever, such a letter to be confirmed by the next
arrival, and: that the amelment was transferred from the banks of
the flanges to these of the Thames, what this became of the
only mouthy which DOW munained feu defendants In government
prosecutions, the independence of the bench, and its determine.
flow to cheek the wanienneea of the Attowity-General ?...(Cbsers.)
This, however, was only one of the topics which he wane to
allude to. He had heard from a noble lord (Darlington). 'the
fleet day of the session, that there was to be a lutist change in
the plidas of the leading Mows of the executive government. TM
noble lord premiled us a tory govammt, acting apes whig.prin.
ciples. Now he (tih avowa himself one of the people.called
' tortes, and, co behalf otitis see, and he believed also on behalf of
the Whigs—much mask medic—he might say that there never
was before any such as these sanitioned. He was almost
confident that the annals of Westminster Hall supplied no similar
example under any government entbely whip or entirely tory. But,
besides these forms of ministry, 'ohm:Hardy distinct, there was
another compound one.-4 eeretant quid—(laughing)—a. govern.
meat upon a new principle, or, rather, without any 1=1;
at oil. He was afield thal, if he had_said this IS yards
place; he ihould be Welted by as ex.ofihdo information, although he
might be able-lopme, ley the best writers upon-lite English lan-
guage, bimodal, Stamm, sad critical; that • the phrase " unpin.
clpled government" meant net a government morally bad, lout'
*inch had •no Riad principle of action.—(hear.) He would ask
these who laid claim to puller leniency of estripena..to puticular
abedneace 'of, pewee—milkiness of human Mum whether. they
thought-diet gentlemen at his side had sot sense claims of the some
mature ? whether they did sot, too, live in • land of milk and
hooey ?—and whether they did not claim the same kindly sentiments„
and the same abstinence from power ? Being agreed, then, 'upon
the principle, their only dispute was upon the fuel, If he were
asked whether be meant to take away from the ..fiturare.General
the_ power d Ming exwifielo informations 11 be should say, Car-.
tel not. The manner is which that power was left at the River
lotion was certainly rather vague and indefinite, but still it was me
which, under wholesome restrictions, ought to be suffered so re.
main. Many 111111111 might occur in which this power night be
beneficially used. It was his wish that some steps should be taken
to prevent a recurrence of such poesediags as those to 'which
Mr. Alexander was recently subjected.-Criss et . hear, hem)
He had no wish to employ harsh terms, but still he would more
again that a more infamous promotion never was instituted bn arty
country.—(Hear, hear.) And why so ? He was ready to mew the
question, and would state the matter and the authorities. The At.
toroey-Ciateral, after be had found it necessary to •adaptameba
course, said be had changed his =hid tend why had he _
mind ? &eats, the Lord Chancellor had changed his mind.—
The Attorney-General would not be disposed to admit this; but,
nevertheless, he would . say that such was his opinion. (A laugh.)
He had a* abjection to .persone chantreige their mind—they had a
right to change their minds when saw good reason, and this
only affected themselves r bet que stim was, whether a
cpbutirofilser bad aright-thus to annoy and harass the king's subject,
mf.the editor of this pope had bus berme& Wele be to refer
to similar paiscutions at Other time, be coot pram, nogg
instances when a very different tsetse tad bees peak He Muhl
/refer to an instance which oceuved in Lied North's rake,.
Minden, when Lord Sandwich was First Lord of the Analogy,
and Lord Halifax Secretary of State; and, such the mt.
aistry, there could be little doubt that they were well to
rebut the charge. Lord Sandwich was charged with selling a am-.
miesionership of the navy, and a Tory Atteasep.General; Lord
Thurlow, was appointed to nury on the prosecution apinst the in.
dividual who had !fought the rge.: It was psesible,Ar would
net deny, that the then Atmeney.Getwral had dram up an Muse-
d= after be had taken a geed deal of Hugundy...(AlamO)c but,
notwithstanding that, be had drawn it up in a manner wMawar
my creditable to himself. He did not file an es•olliele Informadea,
but prosecuted the libeller as a private individual, and Lard Sand-
wich obtained 2,0001. damages. The case' was reported: at. cowl-
derable length in the " Annual Register" for the year 1773, sad a
very able speech the Attorney-General made ; but he dicinot prime
the course which had been pursued on this occUist ; be merely
prosecuted him as a private individual who had imputed curuption
to that noble lord. He had no wish to diverge from the sub-
ject; but Ass be was bound to say, in justice to the proinatter,
that of the three modes of proceeding—by action, by indictment, end
criminal Information—the Tory Atterney.General proceeded -by ac.
des hem. And he would lay that the dictum of the Lod Chancel.
lee me no ground for changing the nature of the suit. He would
net, 11011. CM, say that Lend Lyndhurst or the AttseneyAionetal
wished to change the suit—his only objectless
papershould, es
was to the, Mode of
icrig ; and be thought that tiw editor of the should,
fa the quoted, have been prosecuted as if the lulu had .issen
brought by a private individual. There was anodwr imam
it a similar kind, when Lord Loughborough was (thief Jaw.
ties of the Court of King's Benet, and a chugs- bad been made
'aping Esrl Moira for speculating in the Funds-with SW public
money. An information was filed in the King's Bench, and the Lod
Liget Justice, after hearing the charge of the preautior, end the de.
&cation of the defendant that thee was no ground for the charge,
the ease. H. did not mention these cases with any is.
vidlous feelings towards the Lord Chem:eller, but maely •to
show what course bad been pursued by Lord Tburlow imiii
by the public prosecutor in the latter instance.
Ing this, be wished it also to be remembered that did
nut deny that the noble lord would have been justified in hinging
MI action ; but when he said so In. must add that the AtteintePGe•
neral was not justified in changing the mode oepecedure,: and in
adopting another, which was unprecedented and oppossive—(Herr.)
'The second case had the same termination—Jig meent.,that. which
,was charged u e libel on his majesty and his majosty's ministers„
and which was tried in the month of Dumber Jaw. ..6444 here
he wished to be pamlued to call the attend is of the„haten to
the observations-which be was bound. to makowniho the gesee,

and, I that wine. be wield call their attention en ehir as.
mentring. coed enylkio inhoonstion. It had been called-a libel en Ids ma-
jesty and the Duke of Wellington. The hon. mamba Se Caunbre..
LW had, the • other night, done justice to the noble duke,
and he wished be oath do the same.. He had. the t
respect for that high individual for his milli* - :lather
pat qualities, but as a minister he had a t attack
him t and be would attack • him, not se the kw ~ot. Wel.
Huston, but as a Wainer of the crown. He would be- the, last
person to speak of him in any tamer but those of admiration ,1
as far as regarded his military character, fee he. bed: achieved
more than the Duke of Illarlimeough or any Gemini of the perwel
age. If he spoke of him in strong language, -be begged to-be an.
dermood as speaking of him in his civil capacity, abstracted flew
his military capecit74 and la doing so he would endeavour to
take that noun which was esoeistent with Seldom of debate and
legitimate discussion. Ile hoped that illustrious individual
would understand him in that /light, . se spanking In. the
war one friend would speak to another, and of one toe,
for whom he had the highest admiration in the cumeity to
which be had.alluded. In the way in which the infatuation was
filed, there appeared to be little wish to unite the minister with the
sonreign, and to have for the preamble the well known nerds epo
Re: mess. Now be must say that it would have -been much better
to' have made a distinction in the libel. end impanel are Meg from
his ministers. In law be knew the act of the savenign was re.
girded as the an of his Walston, but be never heed that an at.
tack on the ricrenneent wild be at the awe dnee. aminsed as
an .itted! on the severeige., and be thanes.' disapproved -of
riming the tame of 'the Duke of W -with that of
dtelf.hog in the infonnadon le the libel the ash of Welliontem
-was aid to be an &abides' minister t and with this e.Wsl. "
leak weld be hand s on the batboy, if he was so dank that the
ra4missim an ambitious sniqlstar,.. he would be charged -WWI.
him t rod will nay one say that it was $ Mahal
to oune that the Wainer ersi-.coldly ..reeetveti by the JD. •
r should be-sled-to hear ear lawyer or civilian stand an fail ewe
Ifs wasßb, low re My that the minister wascoldly secoluiddlynlde
itteseeign. He =bedew' any man, whether a is err awatignell.
historian eta conatitodenalisto
rany web.
Itzkildor s. lien :up—(langlner)--and -say .whatbon:Avem.=
' andaerdtbaS dam dowse& tribunal, the *ter ('—be f.
a tow wield be lilarips4v• a MOM- for wing. tiaatb the Minster
ha been coldly remind by the Sovereign. He would sok If sushl

Myna-t:• .r• •
ie to . Wit which had been looted in is Intimation,
Dots ;hie even.in such kfrihtillal P The Duke would
lib* atla.lohl Witter I brim ethotaid to he a ambidsms
41.141"Allgames iniatre 1 Ali • doom vraresekes be was reedy
-Ma but w y halm meow to Arndt a male et mooed-
'llo' F pusbit ess eirstniali,lllo fihmoth ' k Dr.. Johnson, li alb.
*II liar cams et Viglbed tas is than childish, and had
IO at t to them was like chastising aehalboys
U an
beet. That arty jury of It men—any jury even without
ems sad aiseidsp, ova liese...that a jury composed of sass ew
laths anda ha= ease is with a deaden was to him su
she Deka. hadb am* een es ambitions and latirj; I
could deny it after the great results which he hadall=tht amid?
He had settled a question which had dashed three cabinets—whidi
had dissolved, or mew pawned. the bentation of Conobers
Cabinet—which had, the a humph of time, peaked each cons.
motion t and, *lush disable dub might quad with the phrase
es
given in the libel, be must at least say to himosif, filter all tab—.
" I tun a pretty ambitions man." (A laugh.) It had bees also said
that his majesty was unpopular, and that this was canoed by the
conduct of his minium* ; but certainly nab stranger things than
this had been said wittiest thawing forth as ex-alicie isferstation. A
noble lord had said newly as rough, when speaidog of the mall
range neat of the govermaan. At onetime be said that the swam
won en—at another it mopped ad that, at another, the ministaid
carriage might break intro altogether. (Hear.) Now be did Mat
know more of this than any individual in the bens.; sad, Ile
aught-be knew, there might be some mounds for the stansam, yet,
did not this make a charge against the bevaeign P The asetitutlen
of the country was composed of three Meat states..the regal,
seistoaatiod, and popular, or that hawed in the Comm ; and
be amid net see bow it could be imputed to Mr. Alemenift as a
alms, that he wished the regal &nth/why to be large, than it was.
This, he knew, was a debate subject, and he wished to Meat it as
seek. In as speech from the' throne, parliament were seem-
mended to take steps foe 'carrying a certain measure; and it
bad been asserted that sash a reounmendation peoeseded from,
-the spenumeone feeling of the severeign. Now he would say
that such was not the fact t and be did not think that it wad Hiegel
to say that one state of eh* realm, which could set f‘ sal jerks*
hadn't been left to take what cause it plea He recellessed a
ens 'Oka bed been tried before Lead Ellenborongh—an Mile
which bad ban brought ageism Ilr. Poll, of the Mon*,
Chronic*, for a libel on his late Majesty. Mr. Parry was ilia
on an indictment for stating that, on the daubs of the sovereign,
his successor (his present gracious Majesty) would hie in
populatity. On the nab:taw being preferred, Lord
said that to tithe an imperfect view of the atomises of the esentey,
whither as ',gelded its foreign or internal affairs, could only be
regarded as an enve° and 'implied no moral Moms Ana
ththencharge was, that the administration would soon be dismissed,
and the Attorney-General go oat with them. • This might be an at.
tack on the ministry, but certainly not on hie Majesty, and be thew
fore thought it was most improper to Mantis the name of the So.
maims in an Indianan spinet a charge which only Ziee.
the inistry. He aneurred, thaefore, with Lea Ellen ,
that sash a sniesstent was no libel, though the jury found
He was not in the house the other evening when the nature of that
wadi& was alluded to, but be uoder that the hos. .ntember
for Wealth:eta (84 F. Burdett), and the Adorney-Geneval, had
exchanged some conversation on the subject. —(hen, has, and I
laugh.) The Attorneypilionerel boasted then that he got a verdict.
Hula C. Wetherell) waltliell him what be thought he get. He
got a sound rap melte knuelthes..(eheas, and la ghter.) He did
net Amn to say that the jay eve not propeara to follow the
lesepsd gentleman in a.suniglitsthrweW libel mew; but this ease was
meek for them.--(bess) . They said to the learned gentlemen
—Am% talk to us with all these gallopedes. (aeon and laughter.
We do not wish to go out to waltz with you (continued laughter.)
Thiele sot a case St foes seat of law, and they concluded by deli.
vetting the hawing memorable verdict r--" We find the defendants
guilty of a libel on his Majesty, bet we do not find them guilty et
• libel en his Majesty's ministers. We also beg to state it as our
opinion that the article was written under feelings of very greet
acitet ,ian weaned by the. unprecedensed 'Ostia of the time;
lre, therefore, • mat enrossely beg to rettommead all the dohs.
V the enacifsl consideration of the court." (Hear, hear.)
if any lawyer would stand up, and say that this am
etwainhts a verdict, be would lay to that man "good luck to "
Most laughter.), Hs did net envy the gainer of such verdicts-
fir._ Alexander was not brought up to receive judgment en dot
verdict, as veered; bow add he P The Jury thought be
was to be excused on account of the agitation of the clines,
and .well • they might think so; use he believed-no ass then hang
sesollectal a time when the *hada was a vehement-and is gar
neraL There was a Prime Minister of the country on the est side
declaim( that the bills foe the relief if the • Homan Cabala web
necommy Is its salvation. On *tether Bide up rose the' Primate
and aletropelinia Bishop; and declared it would be its dank-
don. Then the Citantellor on she Woolsack was to be hard des
delft tbet.the Mary must mend saisk-still if the bill was not
.oseried 1. asd .an the ether side in. canton:eller followed him,.
and /predicted the subs of the ementry if sit was granted. One
part of the right reverend bench of bishops proOtaled the Over-
threw of the Preaseat .Consdattion ; another assured its of the
addideoal securities to its . stability, which it was about to iv.
'siva . A Chief Jades of Ireland said the connection of Dig-
bed. with Ireland would .*.be • infallibly shaken if the Catholics
were refused a _ parddp- mien in the rights of the legislatta,
An Chia Justice was to be found, who oared us
that would teed to the overthrow of 1111 Protestant Institudens.
the right boo. gentleman, the tiortetaty of the Hon* Depart.
Meet, and the leader, as he tailed himself, of thelatestant tnttrest,
who, not mare than nine maths' before, had declared with greet la
iemnity of tone and tanner, that there wmt so paribility of forming
a cabinet unless under the principle of a division of opinion on the
Catholic Question, was the that to come down-to cla hoar and de-
elate that that measure • would, .lb his opinion, no longer be re-
, shad ; while a noble viceroy and a great commander,, whose
log was capped off at Waterloo had the fetcher ill luck to
tee the Ariceregal stool chopped from under him in Dublin.—
(loud laughter, and chests.- ) AU these things were spiv-
teas of the agitation of the times—all the bonds of society
alms loomed—all ancient institutions were overturned--all friend-
skip were affected. At the revolution of 1688, there had been no
ail costae of feelings and opinioos At the settlements after that
revolution there were no such divisions between man and man. At
the clam of the American was—at the close of the French revolts.
rtlonay war—in all times known in the history of the country, there
never had been such a separation of private and public connections—
lot persons and of opinions, Well, indeed. might the Jury say it was
a time of unprecedented agitation when the libel was written. And
was the editor of the Atonally trauma not to be permitted to pad-
cipate in that falift ? Why. could not the Attorney General and the
prosecutor say that the purpose was to bent down she party with what'
TAe Journal was connected, rather than those who held these
eentiments ? Could they not bore done that without sending
Alexander to Newgate ? In a time of the moat unexampled sgi
tidos, .when there was $ collision of .opinion--a warmth of !an.
guage—an angry feeling—a separation of connection which affected
even those the least accustomed to take part in political discussioes•
were they to demand of the kditor +of . The Joan& that he was to
be silent and divested of feeling ? Was he whose duty it was to
record the opinions of the public, 410 t to express the general eenS
thrusts I, and when all was SIMIAN agitation, and dieeard;
war be not to speak a single word, write a paragraph, or record ea
earri- which might echo the opinions of those around him t
llstsaient he did so, and deported from the unnatural apathy I
and coldness prescribed to him, and violated the bounds of daerunt
which it was hl solitary duty to observe, than .he was visited.
with this ill-S unjust, and -tyrannical ex-officio heal
thou of his 'a Attorney-General. (Hear, bear.) H
(Si, CitarkaW ) wasbound In the present case to say noth
but that shish le ore unbiased judgment dictated,and. be rall_
could.net well easing this part of the subject by observing that W
he-hml been lathe agenda a the editor of Tie ifornia9 Jeered"?
.at the.tinse, he *sold he might ,have beat inclined to enunciatt
sentiments ready the same which he placed in the pages of
that. JournaL He- would. • take the liberty of reminding:thit
House that he contended every man had the-power to say, with-
out being guilty of libel, that one part of the legialatum wag
a one opiate, and the king ot any other pan of that legible-
cure of another. (Hear, hear.) If it wore not so, they might
be said to revive the practice of Tiberius, who made it s i
to A, because
eulogi4ege libel ls • was a reflection on 0; or, in other'weeds, welds, were net to exaggerate one man's merits too highly,
by . bibs, they dispossessed some other person of A part
the -honour which would be due to him. He denied that such
the law of England, and he repeated that they hid the dictum
lard EUesborough that such was not the practice.ife now came to
nest trial, and he really approached it with sonic apprehension.
bed sow got an administration, whig or wry fie did not know
panic said it was both—and as the dines reqaired it, he •shead
be surprised to .see them sood forth a new dictionary, as the guar
diem of the political principles and minot morals of the ;4
hoped, if they did. so, that it would contain a copious .
et phonon for the direction of Meg 'politicians ; and that iiel
me tamed to the words imperious or ambitious, hswould Ands
vefesmice a the isiel-whisit gook iplace before load Chief Jostle;
Abbott, 7n Ill" where, im would mad the meaning of these worth
full, =planed ; and therefore, • gentle reader, take we of yam;
selL, (A bash.) He would now allude to the Magma*
of the dew splonf, OM the amnesia which. attended it---atone;
ides which beep Aware the appeaninee of a raresahow than the.
militia .of • a •oseit tit law. (Hear.) • First then came. '..'
espied ititteelksa the bench. to' prom the nature' 1
the.iibel. the Jostler ~TosslsL Re. wok Mow* by.
eye Maas of. dui. wad efealitien iota Mfr damn Vanghtill•-
Jimi.'3lll.arajw!th 494.0.010 *Mk," gender/Apo of fay's* in,*
Whig mod.Tosi,adidolohoolook
__tho hut plena who was-sum,
atoned to appeal woo 40 lend Melba, a high Whig; and, kit I