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London, England, 1842-03-24 00:00:00

and
vniel.”,`,;t4Zijer34,:nidhethat Vf;as the Subjcct which of all
,others
I;:ccAceeee consclei nof that. House. Now he
L'erS_ltti..peech that was made by an Hon. Friend of his,
teic,,;_ro'l!4 ot see in the House, in which was introduced the
rscril.°4l.llot the amour'. of indirect taxation pre sing upon the
'lasses. He would give that calculation to the louse,
ticb2im made that speee
et vets f
"cotienten were present at the time the Pon. Gen-
hi to the House. This calculation had
3irti.a!noonu.tit_,ofer,ri(al
;Made by tai pra 't. man in the City, in a ia.rge retail be-
Ile's,. He said thatc:ea
roofer amily, the
of
ftwo ounces of tea at 4s. per lb., tak,ng
price was Gd. and the duty
1
sugar at Gd., the duty was 2t d„ two
'with ees or coffee the •
01, e price was 20. and the duty Id.,
tea in nee ?ohm_ .
r articles of general use, amount-
, 'd• all IS• the amount of duty was
d. Now for this • I for opulent ft-
st,'.) the price
was
le • same artic es an
'",ttetter art '.l ts , and the duty only 3s. &L. Thus upon
# este „zon It es the taxation was 23 per cent., and 31 per
13, the common articles. lie calculated that out of
etni.li‘i'. :icor the counter by a poor woman, she received 61d.
wur goods, and the Government had the remaining siti.
eere not confined to these articles alone, either—there
sect u..tue! articles that came e'uall • under the system of inli-
, ..eateee
There was buttqt • ) tallow,6spirits, cheese,
tad 'fluost every oth ' • war), this of taxation
ltr) ei al tick ; and all amount
'tuce Which for out of the amount of the wages of the
egnatiogi eaused competition and that competition assisted
Ilest (.4 trade.
t'tau to -Now 'he was bound, as an ho-
keen, a 3 sae, that if he had to choose be-
',Ft tar,,. Itcr cent. and a 5 per cent., to avoid the indi-
et rid '6.loit he would take the 5 per cent., in order to
ithehe
ystern of indirect taxation.—(Hear, hear.)
the ie c said this lie alluded to a property tax, and not
ltnju, !l'ontes derived from labour,which was in nature
be t . its
hinghimself "WI and partialtherefore he could not
tisiet; t() Vote for the resolution before the House.
ens or al that a property tax was not one only fitted for a
eh the :Ptsr, nor did he think it calculated to lower us
tOVRe iu mat"'n of foreign powers, but still it was a
lue financial system which ought to be met by
gas ter ureter., • .
a et ith iarge concessions, b, cause a property
41" conveni- tinstrument in the hands of any Go-
etrre;cnt. /,
_as tn ins
' turn of the screw,
aget7eey had ;(I'(viiitt,orilly to make sin,,,tet
li:gr
eat exicrair.:
L4atle 1lut„110 eitra,angaab(p,:r centage,andtat, and
I charge ought not to be
lerge-Zs it was purchased on the pat t of the Governmenr
1"
Nese I, was purchased
of a substantial character. When he heard
!tilde not of the lt gl H Baronet the other night, he
Itiet "ot N
•onl • heaped upon
11,4 hate the praise which had been .
he that a most tompheated subject
leer
.0 goilt would say
tx.ilido re,"er in a most masterly manner. It was per-
es 'lot ftei r"1, those with the most limited understanding
tith th flare understood it. But he compared the re-
c'pribei .1 down, and he did not see that the
for r t was pes au ,
Mat rho
4nestly carried out. He expected some amends
tho,,, of the duties on corn and suear. He found
-4elste'- 'Mete d tl • c i'untr • were venue 'such s most consume in ic
tete4oo eheese and other articles, and from which a re-
, Ale Neese, 'Wok was received. He had carefully examined
lonthere utari and he found no such mime ions contemplated.
Cori cattle; benefit to be derived from the importation of
in Certainly not. There was no part of the
th was such bad meat as in Paris.
Port Ras place
s „
tte 44, the only place which was at all calculated to ex..
„ Ye° but e • the • ttl were yet to be had before
sod, Nl* )tri there ca
ha th brought into the English market. There was
e tucome tax was a most previous burden upon the
JeZtte ets• Could there be anything more unjust or op-
. ;ester 11,,t to impose the same amount of taxes. upon the
tcuttri ssisil °I landed property, as upon the professional man
ttee't, iva:Srt"gglitig to arrive at distinction, in hopes of better
jTe„e.l4lcaveuring and found it difficult to make th.ngs
ef'sa, iitujustice was the cause of his ( Mr. Ward's) great obi-
"et,lookedthe state of trade in this country—.
Rti,r he to
ta h dto the fact that in the great town (Sheffield)
eettil the uad the h to resent he believed it would be
,igh, at 1,0 onour rtp ,
the
more then two firms were carrying on what
Rentatte tbc called a profitable trade.—( Hear, hear.) He
'"u measure by her Majesty's Government
‘O, 4.101, asure proposed
' 1 easure—
e,,,getefr,' unjust, arbitrary, and inquisitorial m
tt;t4te ,ol.nl the Opposition)—and as at present advised he
thr—ined not to give it his assent. It might be said
at the , oveniment contemplated a salutary change
111,, that introduction of the tariff—( Hear, hear)—but
:',i,Pr°Position stood at present it was clear
ttti'y, 144 Many advantages conferred upon the poor of the
' f t a revision of the' tariff was to be undertaken and an
111 Pall 'of he thought the scale should
bitkv tit,as the price
coCquigna.• very impartial and just hand—it should he held
th:aight-"lnching hand, and then the Ministers who had acted
,aPPcal to common sense and reason. He was sure if
,-eted fairly towards the people they should have not
licriaberuliportt but the countenance and suvport of every
tekt /./41)"11 his side of the House—( Hear, hear )—bur the
I,gth • 'at Baronet had not done that—he had truckled
il:4l:llleterets of the country. —( Cheers and counter cheers. )
ght financial statement, the only passage upon which
le' Aloe rtti. Baronet flinched—the only passage for which
don• B t • solo ised—the only passage in which
Il1" 41Y felt • Ilan g
was with
vrtecc t sensible that he was in the wrong,
lie duties the sugar duties.—(Hear, hear.) He talked of
ad he 'Von slave sugar, and yet, in the very next breath,
isetiztiliets` vtas prepared to remove the duty on slave grown
ti' Pt „tenifee and sugar. The manifest object was to
bOZctlsyLeet• classes of the country. What he (Mr. Ward)
that all classes should be fairly dealt with. Every
lie shown that the object' f the Government was not
-f, k
ger ew —that the object was not to bolsteF up taxes,
ttk,'' every necesnry upon as cheap terms as it was pos.-
tes.kes,e, tne Government recommended an income tax it it
liothtry, 'arYt and that they protected the interests of the
IC/11v other respects, there was, he (Mr. Ward) was sure,
‘I upon his side of the House who would not support
its,ghl,„`it-unieal cheers.) They had a right to consider and
Rh len,'" al the hardships of that tax---they should discuss
right to do. The burdens
e Ith' 3 they had a perfect
tijj" tar, \as proposed to lay upon professional gentlemen,
foi:4l'efew,-erns,es were fluctuating, and unlesss they (the Oppo-
lh I,l4tC,ku,ers) heard, as it was stated hy the Hon. Member
~tbquo-“ne, that there were Members on that side of
of t}, dirt '4llO were prepared to concur with him kith. Ward.)
It not think there could be any reason upcmtthe part
Hon. Baronet to be inht„hti:l‘,iarstladsurprised
r )shouoldmsacy
; at the game
tifiroUld not be unparliamentary.
t at•dat that opposition
„:41,1-,:ru. the Ministerial benches.) lie slid
not think
4,;:00L-'1it his own party, or their case, to carry that op-
to'pri llibe;etond a reasonable limit.—(Cheers from the Minis •
teh- ) He wished merely to see the sense of Parlia-
too' lisarrsled fully upon the subject, and then, if the mea- •
4carried, the best thing to be done was to oppose, or
tt.l, 1,41' to have the most objectionable parts of it amended.
ATTWOOD did not at all agree with those who
that measure should he precipitately carried to a con-
-0 was aside affecting, a vast number of people,
olt a measure it deserved the most serious consideration.—
R+l rrs from the
It, Pro Opposition.) When a measure like that
tosed, after 25 v a f
'is discussion . .e rs o peace, time ought to be given
of It, in order that it might be carefully and
lt/),stl rarelyii considered, in all its bearings and in all its effects
11'1,1t,eihe Inte'es of the country ; he thought that time, and
ten enough
''rili of
it time should begiven the eople them-
orti.ln.consider ,so 'as that mightto havep an abundant
„!N° the to communicate to the House their sentiments
~hitity Nea.ure, either through their representatives,
tliaPctitions. ( Hear, hear.) He could not but
Re lie„ t delay, and much more consideration than
SI AIC rl •d • hi slily necessary, and
es,et a receive ,u as 6
vt.,%3a1,01 Mnst beneficial to her Majesty's Ministers
all Ina, --(Cheers. ) lie was fully convinced that there
feo4toisidY Parts of the measure very hastily considered—and
tit thv 08-414 it it required much moditication—(Loud cheers
I:rti',.,f',`sioll,[pc'sition)—for instance, the precarious incomes of
et,'"vely' then and annuitants, which terminated in a corn-
lito•°,4 t'sort period, weie to be submitted to the same
ttel'etty axation as land, or any other species of permanentßhc .
• He
laten., (Mr. Attwood) had heard with great surprise
he of the Right Ilonourable Baronet,
t;',r4ceti id it was the intention of her Majesty's
o-
OD p,,imPose upon annuitants the same amount of taxation
kt".°lsk, arient property. As an illustration of the injus-
'llllnß t e ',leisure as 'that, he would take the liberty of
te-Net(),"e House, for the consideration of the Right Hon.
shklls unself of , a case, which
he (Mr, A ttwood) was per-
ROs coee•
ary'ulzant, and one of that class of cases which rt is
''betlier t considered deliberately, so as to ASCCI,taIII
t)141%.4
tad Wit'iiWt‘a really tt ise to mpose such a tax as that. The
tvtet,", he alluded was an annuity for ten years, pus
4aLt."l" (Mr. Attwood) and his partners for 21.,,„,.
eeektes:''Y "as to expire in 1845. Now, althoue'd he 'agod` 1
t•,,tcrs Were taxod e,t the rate of 3 per e,osf fear that
Reilet4 it supposed that it was any thing like fixed
fieweetttit 00 their accounts, they acrota.aiely designated tho
Vutl. that 21,7971. as capital. They calculated it at
141 i; -;" Upon that sum the profit was equally divided..l
.57 Just
lalt,, u that they shcoeid be taxed for the additional
? ntliess it "as tut;ended to tax all the capital of the
r%ild C,e would •eut the ease of a proprietor of land who
I,eos)cesire proper
suppose for 20,0001.—that he was
of tha 1),!,„••!_ Pur-chase-money in 1812, together with
to t''`g fur the last year's rent of the property, was
eNt ‘k the rent and the money obtained for the sale
14;stiC Oppose a mortgage was had for 20,00 W., and
o at a • ' 1-• - • 'lwould it be fair to
tetlegt later rid prue tpa , cre. pan ,wo
est ai well as the principal or would the. House
the tax the principal alone • and if they decided upon
4at°iPle
ifrincipal only, he was at a loss to know upon what
juttico or ;caton a tax should be imposed upon
tieds!terristiesl . And if the Parliament in its legislative capacity,
!tiery7t t 414 tiOoli imposing that' tax, as undoubtedly it hail
-el 'fit thought fit, lie (Mr. Attwood) thought that
theit'uthe: ohnilld have a right to call upon the Government
Pvuli„,."Paeity to reimburse them for the taxes to which
tl'4 ttils was in his toyl ' (Mr. w Attood's) opinion unreason-
( -fear hear. ) lie•e annuities were pur-
likbit' aelalP-t1 ih 't of an Act of Parlia-
,, t_ • e aut on),
that they should not bo 11. uh
oli bativ d provided
„"ditrtion of taxes ; and if he hereafter
applied
t-
Learned Friend, the Attorney-General, for
f„.„r"APoe the .u,s' I- he (Mr. Attwood) would expect
the jec ,
ilcrr
G tl man that even though
t Right Hon. en e
ri he
Oi'qt,„'" Was adopted snnuitants, elremnstance- as
t,tb• 'Cs ;o°9 and his partners' over.', would have a claim to
ter4-I'cu.__(ci.ios of ,t Hear, hear.") Pie urged this,
sa''''tbita he.? 'how the necessity of considering that tax
to r,.r!"gs,and with a view to endeavour to persuade the
• "tei, hitteate the injustice of the proposed measere; at the
11'14tilI'ciec,e felt bound to say, that whatever course her Majesty's
Wriii,l'vt it, night adopt upon that measure, if they persisted in
Sts 'it it was at present proposed or recommended to the
;,aked,„_'l'4 Should say that they could not draw the line of
''le --tb,Cs to what sort of property ought or ought not to be
l'res;),_4, LI make the • - productive it was impassible to draw
j:"1". Attwood)taxvasdetermincd to give the resolutions
ti fri:le'Ai,',.4t the meas‘ure his most cordial support.—(Loud
be es' Yiellsue opposition benches, and ironical cheers.) Ile
:se:cc:4,4l ve,e,t° the necessity of supporting a political party,
''t the necessityof adopting measures for the
thin r thn,
ition , Neil arpalling picture ot the distressed cond
14,51'44, b 9 was drawn by the Right Hotioura
N,211,41 that Itlet. he (Mr. Atwood) said !ha', he felt bound to
-7
he ..‘-cte vete man; points of the financial scheme pro-
rn -Taiestr Governmentwhich he would never coo-
n, ,o,„ -erv.lto
*ls 'l'nert, ' 1,0 consideration of false politics would induce
'tdh ritilseo, that Measure or any other measure at any time, or
h..Ncfi',4l6tta,",hr"ught tbrward ;vhich would. injure or bring to
'41°,1 tesei:"rattch of British co, amerce for the sake of conferring
shd aelectcd classes. (Renewed cheers from the Oppo-
tbl'at 4htrtil or Cot cheers.) Nu vague or visionary expectations
'ten'tteaser t"liottent
the "I l'i ht Honourable
qtr tat t von. at th (increased cheers.)
I gadmitted that
th'e'ittry
wa', 'oad of the Government
' b 1 a most deplorable state of (lustre. 6
e ate '°
on constimp-
Itipo• z, ed themselves from the taxes t
gri areoct toe to consume. After that statement of the High
4'l /cl. r th' imthioe could fall oil his (Mr. A.'s) cars more
`ot mita • ec deeiinin P this than the Bight
k; --eva a, g Power of country,
tut, nouticeinent, that in this state of the country he
Propo,o
4 ann°tie What d. Measures of commercial reform. Ile carried
he cal-led on the Committee to carry it in their
',:ftsrnelist by that statement ? Why, before the
litv7ittry tic career of commercial reform, the people of
th, that , ecio•
,criod ' MO/. of taxes upon articles of consumption.
*tee 'We 19,000 0001 at present
me 'Niel „ , • had been reduced, and .
,u 00,001)/. whilst the articles of consumption
he..4;,141cd• Did thepeople discontinue consumption ?
itith th'Y " Ch the taxed the
t Cons contrary, the more they were
orned.—(llear hear,and laughter.) But the
Nst '44l'e ar"et. had ' • d 1 to ro-
w la 4 told the House that he inten p hat eo, crciat reforms, as if the whole twenty-eight years
Otto Vl4 th eel' one continued series of commercial reforms.
"Ittler • e nioasu re , • .
teir . !elating to Joint Stock Banks but a measure
Oteu`c"rrn ? And, again, what were the measures
"4 the Rouse for .two consecutive Ses.