The Sun.
London, England, 1842-05-12 00:00:00

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SUN-OFFICE, Seven o Clock.

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.
FROM THE EVENING PAPLMS OF THIS DAY.
GLOBE.—Time—the infallible test of sincerity—
has effected the object of Tory hopes, by placing the
powers of government in Tory hands. The New
Poor-laWaWhich at the last two elections was used
by the Tory candidates as a topic of inflammatory in-
vective against the Whigs, on whom they charged
not only its original authorship, but the severities
which incidentally arose out of its administration—
this mitch-midigned law was about to expire just
as the Tories possessed themselves of the Govern-
ment. . One of their first acts, as a Tory majority,
was to consent to a Bill thr continuing the law in its
pristine form until the :ilst of duly next. This the
public. -Were assured by the Tory organs was only to
enable theaCabinet of Sir Robert Peel to mature those
comprehensive changes in the law that Were in con-
templation, by which the Bill would be so completely
deprived 0C every stringent test and severe provision,
that when' it 7:'esas finth from the Cabinet to the House
of Commons, and was exhibited to • the country, it
Nvuttl4l be a. monument of praise to the ne‘v, and a
standing ropeaaelm to the old Government ! It has
been, We doubt not, carefully and anxiously con-
sidered. We do not question that each of its leading
provisions has been the subject of deliberation, not
metely by the department of the Government on which
more 4immediately devolved the ditty of preparing the
new Bill, but by the entire Cabinet. With what result'
With the exception of the bastardy clause, which t.
be somewhat modified, the machinery and operation
of the Will are to replant substantially the same a,
under" the pre snit law.. In the language of the
Time 3, :fames Graham's Biil is a mere copy of
that brOnatht in by Lord John Itussell. The occu-
piers of, the Tory benches, who had vituperated the
lase and its authors from the hustings, now listened
to the:, announcement of a- similar measure from
her „Ilimyesty's ;overnment with perict acquiescence
in its and humanity ! As though tci afford
a demonStration' 'of the perfect subjection. to which
the linuleat clamourers against the Bill have been
redueed.- by the discipline of the Tory Premier,
the " Gilbert Unions " are swept away by the
proposed Bill. Thus the united parishes, which
possessed the powers of local government by the Act,
generally known as the " Gilbert Act," and which
powers were. claimed •for the parishes of the
.entire
kingdom by those who advocated the abolition of the
Central Commissioners, are brought under the general
law. ' The invidiousdistinction between the " Gilbert
Unions," and the " New Poor-law Unions," which
was employed for the purposes of instituting compa-
risons between the treatment of the paupers under the
two systems, and the powers of out-door relief to able,
bodied paupers given to the guardians of the former
and, withheld from the latter, will now no longer
exist. 'lime law will be, as we think it ought to be,
universal in its operation.
STANDARD.—The draft of the New Poor-law
Bill, and the speech by which Sir James Graham in-
troduced the measure last night, place us in a very
painful situation—a situation which, we believe, will
be equally, painful to all- the honest supporters of
Sir Robert Peel's administration. The Bill, will,
doubtless, pass; because men will. prefer any alterna-
tive to a return to -Whig-Radical" government; but
it will pass at a fearful cost to the Conservative
party: , All the declarations against the vices
of the sew Poor-law, which turned so many
elections l4st, sum Mer, will be set down as sheer
hypostaiky, ;sand. the charge will derive counte-
llamas-I)nm tco many manifestations of selfishness,
made in opposition to the Corn-laws, the Income-
tax, and -the Tariff. It will he said, and plausibly
said, that the poor are thmight of only on the hustings.
We du not disguise from ourselves that the Ministers
are placed, in a position of great difficulty with re-
spect to the Poor-laws: They‘ find a law in existence
which has been long enough in force to have struck
roots, brariching through all the orders of society :
to tear up this law at once by the roots would produce
little short of a social revolution. That the law has
utterly failed of all that was pfomised for it; that, in-
stead of raisin, the price of labour, it has lowered
wages'; that, instead of improving morals, by its baa-
tardy clauses, it has greatly corrupted the mo,
rals of the lower orders; that, instead 'of di-
minishing the number of paupers, it has fright-
fully augmented that number—for who will ven-
ture to say that eight years ago every six-
teengm, ,EngliShrimu was a pauper, absolutely
and totally dependent npUn the poorrate ?—that
these. -have been, the effects of the-new law is note-
rious, and even confessed. Equally. notorious is it
that "the conilitioo- 'of the pauper clans, now :mg-
mentemtiiioe tletn eile 'million of our fellow-citizens,
has isein Made infinitely more miserable. And what
has beam iheseountorbalancing good .s.-s-eis saving in the '
poor frees of a aunt .lass than used to be wasted in
liti-
~•a
ion under the old law. and which, therefore, might
e
';'avelliANAVed isthotit, t. etching the legitimate autho-
rity orilieTatepavers, or the condition of the poor;
which might have been saved by the erection of a cheap
tribunal to determine settlement cases; or, better still,
by a comprehensive reform in the administration
of the law, rendering all law proceedings cheap.
This is. the history of the working of that law
which Ministers have inherited, and which we
acknowledge it would be dangerous to extirpate by
a summary enactment but surely between its con-
tinuance ha all its vices, and a summary extinction
there might be found a better mean than that which
Sir James Graham appears to suggest—some mean,
corrective of the principle of the law, •for there is
its greatest vice. That principle is to treat poverty
av a crime, punishable by death, or the petin., y. time
workhouse. That out-door relief has been allowed
proves nothing against the principle. Relief may
mean anything—half-starvation, or three-quarters
starvation, or whatever else falls short of suffering the
object to die of famine; but that the out-door relief
spoken of must be something worse than the work-
house treatment and dietary must be plain, for, as
men do not love imprisonment, were not the out-
door relief worse than the workhouse, every work-
house The'-`kinealom would be untenanted.
COUltlEll.-LSIr James 'Graham, ably prepared
and courageously priinel, ventured last evening to
approach the .most momentous 'question of all the
Session.' After a speech of :unquestionable power,
and. remarkably disciplined temper, he asked and
obtained leave tots bring in the Bill long talked about,
yet ever shriiikingly postponed till now, for the con-
tinuation and amendment of the new Poor-law. He
preluded the motion and the main argument of the
measure by a laboured dissertation on the history
of poor-laws, and he cited carefully, as the chief au-
thorities in support of the new Vstem, two names of
very opposite character, of opinions very dissonant in
gen era), of talentsstrangelycontradictory,andofweight
in the mind's eye of the nation most unequally dis-
proportioned, but who yet, on this one most important
itiestion of questions were singularly unanimous in
accord—we refer to the Great Duke and ex-Lord
Chancellor Brougham. On almost any subject to
which he may apply the extraordinary acuteness of
his comprehensive mind, we need not say that we
are disposed to bow with almost unquestioning de-
ferenee to the conclusions of the Duke of Welling-
ton.. Therefore it is always with the deepest re-
gret•tthat We feel ourselves conscientiously compelled
o wOl3l-li7aw.' as it were.; our allegiance on the sire-
sent; 'as on all occasions, where the new Poor-law and
its administration are the order of the day and of dis-
cussion. Our own_ minds have long been made up on
the tact that , the new Poor-law system is neither
more nor less than an unconstitutional abrogation of
the rights of the subject, for, in despite Of Lord
Brougham, we hold that the right to relief is abractedlY
a right its sacred at the least a's that of
.property,,
however practically it may be abolished, or cut,
carved, and crippled in it proportiisis bys
And the new system moreover is as unchristian in
its provisions as it is unconstitutional in principle.
And what does the argument of Sir James Graham
amount to, when labouring to show that the sys-
tem has not worked with the unvarying hardships
!harged upon it, for that in truth the system,' as a
whole, has not been astiplied in all its naked' hide
easness of uniformity. Wlmv, such being the
fact, one of the great and leading features of the
new Poor-law, one which in Lord Brougham s
eyes, and in the eyes of all its eulogists and
advocates, constituted its chief recommendation, has
been abandoned, vitiated, viblated, at will or dis-
cretion, by the very authorities to whom its enforce-
ment was delegated. That leading feature was its
Ntated uniformity ; its chief beauty was said to be,
that by one simple law, and by one uniform and un-
varying administration in practice, the 12,000 bete-
regeneous and differing systems prevailing in as many
parishes of the kingdom, would at once, with all their
almsea and confusion, be remedied and harmoniously
replaced.

QUEEN'S BENCH.-(THIS DAY.)
Lord DENMAN disposed of a few, short causes this
morning of no general interest, after which the Court
c;iseharged the jury, and adjourned at half-past twclvP
o'clock.

EXCHEQUER.—(THIS DAy.)
CLOVE V. DENT AND ANOTHER.
This was an action framed in several counts, the
principal of which were, that the defendants had im-
properly disposed of certain goods, the property of the
plaintiff ; that
,they had continued in possession
of the plaintiti 's 'house ; and that they had assaulted
the plaintiff's wife and imprisoned her.
It appeared that the plaintiff rented a house from the
defendant Dent, in Seymour-place, -Bryanstone-square,
in which he carried on the business of a pubhcail, An
arrcar of rent, to thcaniount of 181, having heeoine.dne.
to the defers last on the 25th of September last, he levied
distress on the goods of the plaintiff, and employed a

person of the name of Morgan, who was the- second
defendant .in the case, to distrain tht goods.
Morgan continued for a week in possession, without
being authorised to do so, it was contended, and con-
trary to the Statute. An arrangement (the precise cha-
racter and attendant circumstances of which it was very
difficult to determine from the evidence given on both
sides) was entered into between the wife of the
plaintiff and a persOn of the name of Woodgate,
who was to become the new tenant of Mr. Dent,
by which it was agreed that she should give up
possession of the house and the fixtures, on condition
that this should be accepted in payment of the rent due,
and that she should receive a sum of money in addition,
for any goods that might be on the premises. On the
Monday following the day of this agreement, the plain-
tiff's wife came to claim of the defendant the money
which she supposed was due to her. There arose on
that occasion some misunderstanding between the par-
ties ; the woman became very violent in her conduct ;
and she was then given into the custody of two police-
men, who deposed to her having been drunk at the time.
The charge against her, on her removal to the Police •
office, was abandoned on condition that she should not
return to the house, or molest the defendants. She was
then dismissed ; but having again returned, and secreted
her: of in the house she was again removed to the sta-
tion-house

1- lelit

The Jury, after a short tie. ~:ra
for the defendant in the sum of 5L

n, found a verdict

FOREIGN MAILS.-(THIS DAY.)

A numerous and highly respectable meeting took place
to-day at the London Tavern, Bishopsgate-street, pur-
suant to advertisement, for the purpose of considering
the Lest measures to be adopted for effecting the more
spee.ty delivery of the mails from the East and the West
Indies the Al Qditerranean, the Levant, and the Peninsular.
Several Members of Parliament were present, and some
of the most influential gentlemen of the City.
W. Calwronn, Esq., the late Member for the City,
en taking the chair, observed tha, before they pro-
ceeded
to the business upon which they had met, he had
to express his deep regret that the Chair was not filled
'by a gentleman who had given his pointed attention to
the subject of their proceedings that day—he alluded to
Sir G. Larpent, whom, he was sorry to say was confined
to his house by indisposition. He (Mr. Crawford) had,
in :hat gentletitan's absence consented to take the Chair,
in the hope that the proceedings of the present meeting.
would, at an early day, Le productive of. much good. It
was the wish of those through whose instrumentality the
present meeting had been convened, to impress upon her
Majesty's Government, by the weight of such an as-
semblage as the present, the necessity of their interfer-
ence its the topics for which the meeting was called. The
course that was proposed to be taken to-day was, merely
to confine themselves to the. fact, that for the purpose of
communication with the Peninsula, the Mediterranean,
the ,East and West Indies, and the Levant, the port of
Soythampton . was by far more convenient for
the . ',arrival and departure of the mails than
the pOrt of Falmouth. It was not proposed to enter into
any discussion with respect to the question that had
been brought forward else where with respect to the ports
of Dartmouth, because he felt convinced, that if it could
Le shown that that port was preferable to Southampton,
there was no gentlemen present who would not gladly
accede to that. That was a matter in embryo, but this
he might say, that his own opinion was, that the expec-
tations in that respect would never be. realised. The
object of the meeting that day was clearly set out in the
circular which had been issued, showing the advantages
that would be obtained on the receipt of letters brought di-
rect from Malta to Southampton. It was not disputed
that with respect to the Peninsular mails, great advantage
had been derived, particularly in the change of the day.
Under the present syStem, persons engaged-in commerce
with the Peninsular, if they chose to evade the Post-
office regulations, could carry on their correspondence
with greater facility than those who obeyed the law.—
(Hear, hear.) 'With these observations he would call
upon the gentlemen entrusted to move the resolutions
that had been prepared for the adoption of the meeting
to do so.

Mr. BAGSHAIVE then rose to propose the first resolu-
tion. It was so comprehensive that be need not apolo-
gise to the meeting for any inability On his part
to do it justice. He thought he could not do
better, therefore, than read it to the meeting.
The numbers and respectability of which the present
meeting was composed, and the fact of the requisition
being signed by the members of every house connected
With the Mediterranean and Pen insular and Eastern
trade, gave hope that what would emanate from that
meeting would have the desired effect. A memorial had
been drawn up, to the Lords of the Treasury pointing
out the advantages derivable from the removal of the
Packet-station from Falinouth to Southampton, and re-
questing that object might be carried into effect. The
resolution which he should have the honour to propose
for the aEoptiou of the meeting was as follows :
"That it appears to the meeting that the existing
arrangements by which the contract steam-vessels em-
ployed in the transmission of the East and West
Indian, Mediterranean, Levant, and Peninsular mails
are compelled to take on board and deliver their
.mails at the• port of Falmouth, is productive of very
serious detriment to the public interests, inasmuch as nu
merous instances have been and continue to be furnished
• by the arrival of the vessels, to prove beyond contro-
versy, that were they permitted to proceed direct from
and to Southampton. and there receive and deliver the '
Mails, -the letters would, under ordinary circumstances
be delivered in London considerably earlier than they
now are, in consequence of being landed at Falmouth.
That the alteration is the more important, from the fact
that Whereas the Mails are now necessarily dispatched
from London on the last. day of each month, another
day would, by the contemplated change, be gained, inas-
much as they would then be forwarded on the evening
of the first of the ensuing month, as shown by the state-
ment before the meeting.".
DALLAS, Esq., seconded the resolution, which he
observed was so full in details, that little was required of
him to say on the subject. Previously to the formation
of the Government contract with the Peninsular and
Oriental Steam Navigation Company, great delay oc-
curred in the dispatch of the Mediterranean and Eastern
Mails, one day was lost at Falmouth, four at Gibraltar,
and three at Malta. All this was now done away with.
But still a delay which might be guarded against,
occurred even now at Falmouth, where the
lettere for the East which were transmitted in
a bulk from London, were assorted for Alexan-
dria, Bombay, Calcutta, and other parts of the
East. The delay thus occasioned could be remedied by
having the letters assorted in London, and transmitted
at once to Southampton.
E. DIVETT, Esq., M.P., would trouble the meeting
with a few observations, and at the same time suggest an
amendment to the resolution now proposed. The point
on which he was at issue with the Gentleman who had
' just preceded him, was the indication of any particular
port. He thought that there object ought to be to con.-
sider the best means of ascertaining by an impartial exa-
mination what might be the most eligible port at which
to establish the mail station. His opinion was that it
would turn out on examination that some port consider-
ably to the west of. Southampton, would be found the
most eligible. It was of the utmost importance to have
the letters carried es far as possible by land; and
if they could have a port at
~Land's-end it would
be the best place. The Honourable Gentleman
concluded by moving an amendment to the effect
" That the importance of the rapid and early trans-
mission of the mails to and from this country, the. Last
and West Indies, the Mediterranean ports, &c., be made
the subject. of earnest representation to and from the
merchants of London to her Majesty's Government, in
order to the selection of a port which should best secure
that object at all seasons of the year ; and that letters,
which should arrive after the departure of the ordinary
mails,"should he forwarded by mails established espe-
cially for that purpose."
111 HusT, in seconding the amendment, ebserved,
that if they persisted in pointing put:Sonthampton as the
best station, they would not, have the, whole country
unanimously with them. It would be otherwise if they
left the selection to the'Government. •

Captain THORNTON, R.N., trusted that as Director
of the Universal Life Insurance - Company, and also
of the Peninsular and Oriental-Steam Navigation Com-
pany, he might be permitted to make a few observation's -
on the present subject. Those Companies considered 'a
rapid communication with India as of paramount im=
portanee to them. At present they obtained their let-
ters via Marseilles, but as they expected their couimu
cations with the East would greatly increase, they were.
anxious .to promote the facility and rapidity of the trans-
mission or letters to and from that quarter and this coun-
try: Ile-said it as a seaman, that it was of the utmost
importance that there should be one point only selected
from which letters should be transmitted to and at
which • they should be received from both the East
and the • West Indies. To have two ports for
that purpose was not only unnecessary, but was
attended with great danger to, and frequently great
loss of life. Freedom from great danger, and much in-
convenience would result to the Company of which he
,was the director, if their vessels had not to call at. Pal-
month: after having left Southampton. He trusted that
such a representation of the matter would be laid before
Government as to render nugatory the influence 'of any
local interest in the matter.
After a few words from Mr. I.l,tcsilAw, to the effect
of
influenced
convinced that Mr. Divett was incapable of
being by any private or interested views in the
course which that Hon. Gentleman had adopted on the
present occasion, The amendment was put from the
Chair and negatived.

v The
original resolution was then put and carried with
but one or two dissentients.
The next resolution, proposed by Mr. Foster and se-
conded by Mr. Scholefield, was as follows :
" That with regard to the Peninsular mails, besides
this disadvantage in retarding their delivery, theadcli-
tional and very serious evil of a week's delay in the
course of post is incurred, as there would be ample
time, were the letters delivered at.Southarepton, to re-
ply to them by the outgoing mail of the same week,
whereas, by the existing arrangement, the letters are de-
livered never less than two days after the departure of
the outward mails ; and that an alteration in the day and
hour of departure of these vessels is required to be made
simultaneously witk the change in the post of arrival
and departure.
Mr. DIVETT, M.P., said, that as he must now leave
the meeting, he would take the liberty of departing from
the usual course, and now move the thanks of the meet-
ing to the Chairman.
Mr. BAGSIIAW seconded the motion.

The CHAIRMAN observed that he should acknowledge
the compliment at the proper time, namely, the close of
the proceedings. • -
On the motion of Captain MANGLES, the memorial re-
ferred to was then read by the Secretary, and adopted by
the meeting.
S. Moos, Esq., seconded by HUNTER, Esq., moved
a resolution, thanking the Doha of Egypt for the

ties which his Highness afforded for the transmission or
English letters through his dominions.—Carried.
After the dispatch of some routinebusiness, the Chair-
man returned thanks, and the meeting separated.

TATTERSALL'S.—THIS EVENING.
Six o'CLocx.

5 to 2 agst Frederica
7 to 2 agst Attila
9 to 1 agst Canadian
12 to 1 agst Auckland
12 to 1 agst Jack
22 to 1 agst Chatham
22 to 1 agst Lasso
30 to 1 agst Meteor
40 to 1 agst Tiptoe
40 to 1 *.:gst Barrier
45 to 1 agst Agreeable

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour,
but there being only 32 Members present, the House
adjourned.

HOUSE OF LORDS•

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the
Woolsack at FiNe o'Clock.

THE ADJOURNMENT.

The Duke of said, he should
to-morrow move the adjournment of the House to
that day week the 20th May.
Messengers from the Commons, brought up several
private Bills.
The Earl of..oaroaD was introduced by the Earl
of Roseberry, and Lord STOPFORD, took the oaths
and his seat.
The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL moved for a re-
turn of all resolutions passed by the Boards 'of
Guardians, under the Poor-law Commission, in Ire-
land, since sth May, 18 41.—Ordered.
Earl FITZWILLIAM presented a petition from
Halifax against the Corn and Provision-laws.
POOR-L- AWS.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE laid on the table the
eighth annual report of the Poor-law Commission.
DUBLIN POLICE BILL.

On the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE, the
Dublin Police Bill was read a second 'time. The
Noble Lord said, the object of the Bill was to place
the Dublin police force bn precisely the same footing
as the London police.
HOPS.

The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented a petition
from Maidstone, praying for an alteration in the bas-
tardy clauses in the Poor-laws. Also a petition from
Kent against the reduction in the duty on foreign
hops. The petitioners stated that the reduction con-
templated by the Government of 2/. per ton would
ruin their trade. He was happy to say that it was
not the intention of her Majesty's Government to pro-
pose so low a duty as 21., for if they did so it would
entirely annihilate the trade in this country.
Earl FITZWILLIA AI said that, supposing the
reduction in the duty on hops would injure the
trade, the land would remain capable of being
turned to any other purpose. Now what he
wanted to draw the attention of the House and the
Noble Earl to, was another point. The other night a
conversation arose respecting. the employment of per-
sons in mines. His Noble Friend then expressed great
anxiety concerning the morals of that part of the
population, which he said was seriously injured
by, the employment of females and children in those
mines. IN ow, as his Noble Friend was so exceed
ingly desirous of protecting the morals of the inhabi-
tants in the manufacturing districts, he would recom-
mend the Noble Earl to look a little more to the
morals of the persons in the districts with which he
was more immediately connected. He (the Earl of
Fitzwilliam) would turn his attention to what
'occurred in the ground during the time of hop-
picking.—(Loud laughter.) If he would look to
those females, then it would be more useful than his
turning his attention to those who delved in the
bowels of the earth.

The LORD CHANCELLOR—They go from
London.—(Lau.,,,,hter.)
Earl FITZWILLIAM—Yes ; they went from
London to corrupt the fine morals of the districts with
which the Noble Earl was connected. Now, surely
the Noble Earl oughtto endeavour to prevail upon the
Government to which he gave his support, to put an im-
port duty upon those articles which were brought down
from London into those very pure places lest they
should corrupt the morals of the females, and it
might perchance be bythe males—(A laugh)—in the
very pure districts of Kent and Sussex.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA—The injury in-
flicted by taking away the protection from the hop-
grower would not affect the hop-grower only but would
be very detrimental to the agriculturl interest. There
were thousands of acres of woodland in the county
of Kent. which would be utterly valueless if it were
not for the hop-gardens. He himself sold about 125
acres of woodland yearly. It was cut down and
used for poles for the hop gardens. If the hop gardens
were destroyed he should not sell more than 35 acres,
for ash poles, and elm poles, and all these poles
were of no use except for the hop-gardens. Now
that would be a great loss to the labouring classes
who were employed in these wood-lands. Great
numbers of labourers were likewise employed in the
cultivation of the hop-gardens ; it was true in some
districts they had induced an artificial increase in the
population, and if the duty was taken off foreign hops,
they would all be in a state of distress. The Noble Earl
had recommended him to look to the morals of the
population in his own immediate neighbourhood. He
begged to state that there was no district in which he
had not established schools capable of affording edu-
cation for the whole of the population. All he asked
was, that the hop-grower should have a fair protec..
tion such as was given to other classes.
Earl FITZWILLIAM said that it appeared then
that the protection was to be continued, not so much
for the sake of the hops as for the sake of the woodlands.

The Earl of WICKLOW rose to order. If Noble
Lords made speeches on the presentation of petitions
in this manner, they would never be able to get through
the business.
Earl FITZWILLIAM would move that the House
do adjourn, and thus put himself in order. If the
Noble Earl opposite had always interfered when any
thing disorderly had occurred—whenever any conver-
sation had taken place across the table, on the
presentations of petitions, he would have bowed
with submission to the Noble Earl's interference.
In moving that the House do now adjourn, he should
make or two observations on what had fallen from the
Noble Earl on the subject of these woods ; ,it appeared
that they were to protect the hops, not for the sake of
the hops, but for the sake of the growers of the wood
—where woods became less valuable, it was customary
to destroy them, and he had no doubt the Noble Earl
had himself been a great destroyer of woods ; so in the
case of woods cultivated for the sake of hops, if they
became less valuable. they might be destroyed, and
that should be the case instead of protecting the hops
for the sake of the woods. He would beg to direct
the attention of the Hotise to the alteration about to
he made in the duties on foreign timber, which he

apprehended would have more effect in deteriorating
the value of woods—and he did not regret that, be-
cause he thought timber ought to be cheap—than any
alteration in the hop duties would have in diminish-
ing the value of woods grown in the counties of
)sent and. Sussex. He had some knowledge of
tlie woods there, some of them might be cultivated
for the purpose of hop poles, but he thought by far
the greater part was the natural produce of the coun-
try. He begged to move that the House do now
adjourn .—(Laughter)
The question was then put, and after a few words
from the Earl of WINCHILSEA, in explanation,
. Earl FITZWILLIAM said, with regard to the
employment of females in mines, he did not run into
such extravagant opinions as he had seen expressed.
The condition of those employed was influenced by
the width of , the coal teams ; perhaps it might
be desirable to prohibit the employment of children
in mines, but the necessity of employing children
arose from the thinness of the seams. If Noble
Lords would read the Report with any knowledge of
mining, they would see that the employment of children
was almost entirely confined to the thin seams of the
coal-mines of the West Riding of Yorkshire and
Lancashire.

The Earl of WICKLOW rose to explain that
he meant no disrespect to the Noble Lord when
he called him to order ; it was caused by
the Noble Lord's irregularity ; if they were
to take the House collectively, there were no
three Members of it who were guilty of so much
irregularity as the Noble Lord. On a recent occa-
sion he had made no less than five speeches on a sin-
gle. petition.
Lord REDESD ALE said, in the discussion the
other night, the Noble Lord had himself got up in his
place and observed, that he hoped a new rule would
be established, in order that the proceedings might be
more orderly.
Earl FITZWILLIAM—Make a rule.
Lord REDESDALE—The Noble Lord said make
a rule. There was a rule already in existence, which
AN as for general purposes sufficiently strict, but unques-
tionably that rule might be abused. He thought
that when a Noble Lord was called to order he
should bow to the call, and not put himself in order,
by moving an adjournment, thus evading the rule of
the House, and causing great inconvenience.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the mo-
tion for an adjournment, which was negatived without
a division: