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the hands et' the owners. The fate of the laws regu-
lating the linen trade ought to be a warning to the House
how they interfered. Early in the reign of George 111.,
an Act was passed to regulate the linen trade ; that Act
had been amended every three or four years since, and
now on their Lordships table there was a Bill to amend
the last of these Acts. The labours of the Commis-
sioners were not yet finished, and they ought net to legis-
late. at. all events until the Cournissioni rs should have
presented their final Report.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and their
Lordship divided on the question of going into Com-
mittee, when there appeared—
Contents
Non-Contents 3
Majority in favour of going into Committee —46
Their Lordships then resolved themselves into Coin-
mitt eon the Bill,
To the clause prohibiting females being in mines,
Lord CA MPBELL ieoved the addition of the words
" fur the purpose of working." Unless some such words
were added, , ladies going into a mine out of curiosity, or
women going to visit their husbands, who might have
wet with accidents, would be liable to penalties.
The addition was agreed to.
Lord BEAUMONT moved the omission of the clause
which enacted that within three months after the passing
of the Act, all girls under 18 years of age should coma
out of the mines ; that would be throwing them out of
employ just at th commencement of the winter, if it
were omitted all the women would come out of the mines
together on the Ist of March.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE opposed the omis-
sion ; if any alteration was made it ought to be to
shorten the duration of female labour in mines rather
than to lengthen it.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought that if
the words "six months" were inserted, instead of the words
" three months," it would meet the justice of the case. He
should propose that as an amendment.
The amendment of the Marquis of Londonderry was
then put and negatived.
Some veroal amendments were then proposed and
agreed to, after which Lord Beaumont's motion for the
omission of all that part of the clause relating to females
under the age of eighteen, was put and negatived with-
out a division.
Lord LYTTELTON proposed, as an amendment,
that the Ist of May should. be the day for the wale!'
leaving the mines, instead of the Ist of March. It would
be a more favourable time of year for the women to
leave the mines than the month of March. Although,
in the form in which the Bill had first come up, he had
entertained serious objections to it, yet, after the alte-
rations which had been made, he felt he could not
oppose it.
The Earl of DEVON opposed the amendment.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said it was evi-
dent to him that it was determined not a day should
pass without turning these females adrift. The females
would not thank their Lordships tor what they were doing.
Lord Lytteiton's amendment was then put and nega-
tived, without a division.
Lord DUNMORE thought it a great defect in the Bill
that no compensation was given to the lesseeS of mines,
and no means taken to procure employment for these
women when they should be taken from the mines. lie
would, therefore, suggest that unmarried women, above
twenty-one years of age, now at work in mines, might
be permitted to continue to work in mines, and he would
more an amendment in the clause to that effect.
'The Earl of DEVON could not consent to the amend-
ment.
Lord CAMPBELL said such an amendment would
be tantamount to rejecting the clause altogether. He,
trusted their Lordships would lose no time in rescuing
these females from the degradation in which they were
placed. The practice of employing females in mines was,
it appeared, as unprofitable as it was immoral.
'The Earl of GALLOWAY said no injury could ac-
crue to the lessee of the mine, for the rent was paid in
proportion to the produce. „.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY supported the
amendment. Any change introduced ought to be gradual.
Lord HATHERTON doubted the right of the Legis-
lature to prevent any persons of mature years from earn-
ing their livelihood in any way they might think fit; but
that was not the proposition of the Noble Earl, he proposed
to give the right to the girl, but to take it away from the
widow. Under these circumstances he could not sup-
port the amendment.
The amendment was then negatived without a division.
Lord SKELMERSDALE proposed a proviso enabling
females above forty years of age, now employed in
collieries, to make a declaration of her age, and her
desire to be employed in a colliery, before a Magistrate,
before the Ist of March next, in which case she might
be permitted to be employed in a colliery. Women of
that age aho had been engaged for so many years in
earning an honest, though a dirty livelihood, were utterly
unable to earn a living in any other way, and if they
were turned out of the mines, they would starve.
The Ear! of .Rl'e'ON felt himself under the necessity
of objecting to the proviso.
Lord COLCHESTER was sorry to hear that the
Noble Earl objected to the amendment. It was very
hard to refuse the relief sought to be aiven to this class
of persons. The working of these women in mines could
nut be objected to on the score of morality.
The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL thought the amend-
ment struck at the principle of the Bill, and should there-
fore vote against it.
The Earl of ELDON supported the amendment.
The Marquis of CLANBICAItDE thought the pre-
sent the most :itvourable opportunity for substituting
male labour fhr female labour in the mines.
The Earl of CLANCARTY thought the declaration
required was a sufficient safeguard, and therefore he
should vote for the proviso.
The Earl of WICKLO W admitted that a stronger
case hail been made out for this proviso than had been
made out fur any of the previously-proposed alterations,
but the proviso militated against the principle of the Bill,
and therefore he must oppose it.
The Bishop of NORWICH had presented a petition
from several operatives out of employment who were de-
sirous that the Bill might pass, and whet would imme-
diately set out for the coal mines, in order to be em-
ployed in the pits.
After a few woe's from Lord COLCHESTER,
Lord SKELMERSDALE replied.
The Committee divided, when there appeared—
For the proviso
Against it 29
Majority against the proviso —l4
The clause was then agreed to.
On the clause regulating the age of children to be em-
ployed in mines being put,
The Earl of •MOUNTCASHEL proposed that the
word "twelve" should be substituted for the word "ten,"
in the clause. Children of ten years old were of too
tender an age to be. employed iu mines, and the effect of
his amendment would be to prevent children under
twelve years or age being employed in mines.
Lord LYTTELTON opposed the amendment.
The Earl of DEVON would be veer glad that no
boys should get down into the inines under twelve years
of age, bet knowing chat he did as to the feeling exist-
ing on the subject, he was not bold enough to support
the amendment.
Lord HATHERTON said that the coal owners had
all been of opinion that nine ought to have been the
age, and that the Noble Earl had had great difficulty in
getting their consent to ten being the age.
The ha' I of GALLOWAY would vote for the original
clause rather than jeopardize the Bill ; but he wished
thirteen years of age had been insisted on.
The Bishop of NORWICH thought the two years
from ten to twelve the most valuable of a child's life for
the purposes of education, and he regretted exceedingly
that thirteen years of age had not been fixed on as the
minimue
The amendment was then put and negatived without
a division, and the clause was agreed to with some ver-
bal amendments.
On the clause relative to the appointment of inspectors
beine put,
'the Earl of DEVON said there was no intention of
appointing a permanent body of inspectors ; all that was
intended was to give the Secretary of State power to ap-
point an inspector pro hoc vice, as it were, to see whether
in any particular case the provisions of the Act had bee
carried one
The Marquis of' LONDONDERRY said it was pro-
posed to inflict the same curse upon the colleries that they
had already inflicted upon the factories. He would move,
as an amendment, that all the inspectors should report
upon should be whether the provisions of the Act were
carried out, and that they should have nothing to say as
to the state of the mine or the miners.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE objected to the clause as it
was drawn up, inasmuch as it would give an inspector a
right to inquire into matters with which he had no con-
cern. He would propose to substitute the word " such
for " any." confining the power of the Secretary of •
State to s, nding an inspector to a celliery against which a
coenplaiut inav have been mane ; and he would also
propose to confine the authority of the inspector to rv-
porting as to the state of the mines and the labourers.
Lord SKELMERSDALE supported the amendment
of Lord WharnclifFe.

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The Marquis of LONDONDERRY withdrew his
amendment, and the amendment of Lord Wha.neliffe
wAs agreed to.
The clquse, as amended, was then agreed to.
On clause 4 (tne apprenticeship clause' being proposed,
The Earl of GALLOWAY expressed his regret that
the apprenticeship system had not been entirely abolished.
Lord LY rfELTON defended the clause, which NP
anytling but favourable to the coalowners of South
fordshire. The Sub-Commissioner, Dr. Mitchell,
nothing to find fault with in the mines of South "
shire, vented all his wrath on the system w
ship. but the e,idence did not bear out D'
his invectives.

JOINT
‘....;rocii: BANKS BILL.
The "illt Stock Barks Bill was read a third time.o
On
.the 'lllF, CHARTIST LECTRERS.
motion for reading the Order of the DAY
r(lrlig'litig into a Committee of Supply,
.dr. T. DUNCOMBE rose to renew the motion a
which he had given notice some time ago, and which
he had postponed at the request of the Honourable
Member for Stafford and the Secret *ry oi' State
for the Home Department. The observations of
the Right Honourable Baronet on that occasion
had been read /with much astonishment and sur
b- -,ns interested "he tate of the

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The Bishop of NORWICH rerf.,;le . -- prise ,y t. perso In t:
apprenticeship, c''. ated t -v t•
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of
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The trial took place oa the 241 of the prose Lord HAT iERTON said o,t gao A
unhappy men who were now suffering in Stafford
greatly mi ie.!. N•cbing vontri 1„.
in '.
Dr 3fic!,,..11 1-71 i.„ , -month, and they were immedi,teiy s: nt to prison. _
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clause had be. .n. ,6 .:vi.-i,..,hy •,,„,.,,,L,:. '1 ' ""j. ' t,':•"' ' -:,
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p.:,N. He ►w-uld luilvf: that there,- o, 14,€6,V,1,','.'; ,',:i. )..,-;:.:1•::;
the necesy I.
approur.eng boys t, j• ' -.--;.4.: ''''
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-.111.,' ii, ~,,,, sure that cvl"'''' ';',' f: ,:*l.l' 1.., ... Baton, t ;:it'-.
instead of eight.
.41 been
Tile Earl of DEVONT .1. , t have been ignorant, of the reply which 11,. . ‘
sta'te.i• that he knew notilaig of tlte ,1-011.,„;cr....11, l'''
- , - tootidut must - • • ' 17- -(`-ithet •
well to aaopt the e;P-,„sc„
, should jut accede to it, '11,.•
, the Holote ~-0.•lld ~,,,
as ori,r3T . il
cook! ac •t oppose' th'' ••....nco :,1'•• 11, 'use " a h. call Proll 'A'd ; ..4. ta' Ile
sent to the memorial tor.,:arded to the ton: _
should further say, that such :.• elrcum....•
elabus bf the South "'
'aped the eta St ill j peareci to }]:Ill Phow'• that trio prese.it Governino7.ri
1.... e •rd.
Lord CAMPBELL sup, slur,- coal•ov ~rie,;, ta. :••
which it was Said wa; never to stumble—M."4'er 1 . , .
.5t).,
. into an error—d d not conduct the public bt, _
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0,,,,e550l h•
The Marquis of LONDONtiERWIT moved that the I
The amer),lment gas 1-1;1;1:giver!. ', in any way more accurately than their pre
,n, _
_tich
would not press his motion, but,vould
Ile believed that if Lord _N-ormanhy- had fallen I. tos
Chairman do report pro;._),Tess.—(CT:: ~ of.. G„ ~,) He a mistake as that to which he had alluded, they `l.,_,Gh
h - 1 • • ICodof the reproaches N 11.1
~.
rapid legislation.
11'o-tested aga inst the ; ::ever ate teal: an
Lord RED ;'-' LSDALE prot ' I • b . • v I• h. ' '' 1 • favour of the p 1
Committe , e ..ter wrainst a ant 10 tint, a
, the Home-office to r e memorial in .
_tin(
e at such an earl
' -t t . 0'.110eK• I, IC h* NV no stitrielent g- `-'
i "timid have been direcced against him. 'file ar.:3Nvi ;it.
soners was,tunt •,-"ir . . 2ra am sa
The clause ici ameisded hourl-h " half
11)ats '•
rj
sth itS Pril•Yer.
Claw,. 5; - • , was the cigve•nr. .... f,:. advic:iro• txr ?dalestv to comply wt . that the
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tho M• • ~ ‘, a !er a ~..,/ oo,ers,a :ons ii .. No:ic te
filar or LON oNDFRI yf tile )cop
Clauses 6 and 7 - 4-
'.-1 '.
":
1 case in question in • volved the right o. 1
f discussing
Clause 8, f were agree,. to witiaotit °lt ~:ervation. i
meet peaceably in public for the purpose o
a te' a few observatiot is fro li
m led Wham- .010-..,', it nr.Peared to him (My. liancombe)

.“re, Lord liuth,:a-ton,
Earl of Devon, was apTeed to.
The remaining clauses were agreed to, the House.' Vit
sumed, and the Report was ordered to be reci:ived.-,;1
morrow. The third reading of the Bill was fixed o?=',l
-
Friday.
Eft:HEQUER BILLS PREPARATION 131LL:",,,d
Ott the motion of the Duke of WELLING-TON tlh
Excin:-qt2er Bilis Preparation Bill was read a S'vedri4i.lo79v
NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND)'''III
The Earl of CLANCARTY gave ,Inotice.:tildtrur,_.
morrow he should put a question to the NobleDakti
on the subject of National Education in Ireland.
•-'
The Bills on the table were forwarded a stage, YAW.
their Lordships adjourned at Eleven o'Clock.
bfai
HOUSE OF COMMOAS, Ail/ 25. 6ifiC)
Tum SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before
o'Clock.
Mr. CoLounouN took the oaths and his seat for tlO,
hotough of Newcastle-under-Lyme. g 4
F MARQUIS O TWEEDDALE'S ESTA.T
BILL. •
On the motion of Mr. G. DUNCAN,
The Marquis of Tweeddale's Estate Bill was re4i
a third time, and passed.
BIRMINGHAM SCHOOL ESTATE BILL. q.f•
Mr. SHEPHERD brought up the Report of t c:AI -
Committee on the Birmingham School Estate
•_.;o,
MOSTYN'S ESTATE BILL. .IJOU
On the motion of Mr. R. HUGHES,
The Mostyn's Estate Bill was read a third
and passed.
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MEDICAL PROFESSION. y,
Mr. WYSE presented a petition from the Meal, f,,V
Association cf. Shropshire, praying that no alterap
might be made in the laps regulating the ii.,01-11
profession, until a full inquiry shall have been 11.f1W
tuted into its present state.
SINGING CLASSES.
The HoN. MEMBER also presented a petitiOilOrefl
the pupils of Mr. Joseph Mainzer, praying'thaol,lo.
any measure the House might choose to adopt to ent,
courage the practice 'of singing, the -claims of
Joseph Mainzer might not be overlooked, and '
gesting the propriety of a piece of ground bei,,',`•
given for the purpose of erecting a Hall of SinglP:); ',-
thereon.
BRITISH ANTIQUITIES. ,„ •
The HON. MEMBER also gave notice that, next 5 1
sion' he should move an Address to her Maj esty, 15r‘
.
seething her to be graciously pleased to order the eS...tk.'
tablishment of a National Museum for the preservailll
tion of objects relating to the Antiquities of the Bri-' :4
tish Islands.
IRISH LAW COURTS. •-• 4
Mr. LITTON presented a petition from Mr. A'
Bushe, Prothonotary to the Court. of Queen's Bench'
Ireland, against the Irish Law Courts Bill, and pra.)"
ing to be heard by counsel in opposition to the measure.
Mr. BECKETT presented a petition from th! y.
bankers and manufacturers of Leeds, co:nplaining
the distress, and praying the house not to separate
without adopting some measure for its relief.
Mr.•SHEIL presented two petitions from office°
of the Court of Common Pleas in Ireland against the J 5
Common Law Courts (Ireland) Bill. •A
Mr. SHEPHERD presented a petition from the
Bath and Bristol Medical Association, praying that .f . 4
no measure might be passed by the House, with re-
spect to Medical Reform, until the whole subject lieu,
undergone consideration.
Lord ELIOT presented a petition from the
makers of Ireland, praying for an amendment of the
law regulating their trade, with respect to selling and
repairing fire-arms.
Mr. LITTON gave notice of his intention t°-
morrow to move for certain returns relative to bene-
fices and union curacies.
MIDNIGHT SITTINGS.
Mr. HUME gave notice that he should to morrow
_ •
move for a return of the number of hours the House
had sat during the present session, distinguishing..
the number of hours the House had sat after 'Dm,.
night. He intended, next session, to introduce
measure founded on this return, for the purpose •
5
preventing the transaction of any business of tlle.:„.:x
••
cl
House after midnight.—(Hear, hear.) •
UNIVERSITY OF LONDON.
Mr. G. W. WOOD gave notice of his intention to u.";
move for the production of certain correspondencel
which had taken place between the Government
the authorities of the University of London.
CHURCH-RATES.
Mr.- HUME presented a petition from a Pe' -.-10
named Price, whose goods had been seized for n°4l9 !t
payment of a Church-rate, praying the House to p 3 :;.05
• law for the abolition of Church-rate?. altogethel:',el
..INIARSHALSEA COURT, DUBLIN.
The HON. MEMBER also presented a petitions;s in
an individual named Hanna, complaining of ahtl.a.raW-)-0;q
the Marshalsea Court, Dublin. He wished 't°
the attention of the Noble Lord the Secretary ibr '129
land to the petition. 99011
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AMERICAN SLAVES IN CANADA-. 0."
In answer to a question from Mr. HAWS, ,
Lord STANLEY stated that the papers relatiri g,
to the giving up of a coloured American subjeaf t
the authorities of the United States by the Canatil#:ll•994"
authorities would be laid on the table without delaY.
COMMERCIAL TREATY WITH PORTI.TP. -141
Sir R. PEEL laid on the table, by command of her
Majesty, the Commercial Treaty entered into
tween this- country and Portugal.
•lil CHINESE WAR. k,
In answer to a question from an Hos. MEMBER,
Sir R. PEEL stated that the supplemental esti-
mate for the expenses of the war in China would be •
brought forward this evening.
EDUCATION.
The RIGHT HONOURABLE BARONET said he
would also reply to a question which had been put. •
to him the other evening by the Noble Lord (I'fl-
rnerston) on the subject of the education grant. The,'
demands on the funds appropriated to educational * • ,
purposes were so numerous, that he doubted whether •
the amount would be capable of mettng them, and an
addition to the grant, to the extent of 10,000/.,
be proposed to meet those demands. He spoke 0111 Y.
of the grant under the control and distribution of ate
Committee of the Privy Council.
Lord P.ALMERSTON asked whether the midi'.
tional grant would include any allowance for the
singing classes cif Mr. Hullah at Exeter Hall ?
Sir R. PEEL said it would not, nor was he pre-
pared to say that any general vote would be proposed
for that purpose. He merely proposed the addition
to meet the expenses contemplated in the Orders in
Council of July, 1840.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought the classes of Mr.
Mainzer also deserved some encouragement.
Sir R. PEEL said it was impossible to attend at
Exeter Hall and not derive the greatest satisfaction
from the proficiency of the two classes ; but the ques-•
tion required some consideration.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said if the Right Hon. Baror let
attended the classes of Mr. Mainzer, also he belie- ,ea
he would derive equal gratification.
POOR-LAWS (IRELAND).
Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice of his inteAtiont.tO
move for a Committee of Inquiry into the %.vorkin g Of
the Poor-laws in Ireland. Ale also gave notice that,
on going into Committey on the Courts of Law,
(Ireland) Bill, he should move that it be comnr,itted
that day three months. He also withdrew his motion
that Counsel be heard at the bar of the -.Rouse
against the Government of Newfonndland Bill. •
TRANSPORTATION.
Mr. EWART wished to ask a question of the
Right Hon. Baronet, the Secretary for the Home - •
Department. At the last 'Waterford Assizes, a mall
named Nash, had been tried for having returned from • -
transportation. He gave a most frightf.al description .
of his sufferings in New Holland. He wished
ask (and he did so at the desire of many persons-:,;00',,
interested in the state of the criminal law), 3014.,,cf
whether the Right Hon. 13;tronet wtis prepared to con- e,„e
sider the subject of some substitute for the punish-
ment of transportation ?
I ,Aile
question saidan was
puttl'i.e particular case referied
by rt
htlTee.g Ge
general alGlf.nttm oiouihteimu oc%nynnld eatohsiiilo;
he
answer. Speaking for himse'.i; as connected with the
administration of the justice; of the country, he was
not prepared to submit air; substitute for the system
of transportation as a pun7Ament,

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