The Sun.
London, England, 1818-02-06 00:00:00

c.0111(1 not t haye becnirtppvi:ol.l-1 pil at. CVldellee,
perfectly trur.as.it apil,Wried to bv, becl)use,t he!evi.
h aye beets ,tijscflt.-teit. tie ihri.utote
o:vat wilily arisro IN)tp
, tt. f Abe abepis Corpos,Acf,'wlkieiti'v:ltabtvi Go
v.ertlf.ietit to take lip perwog, ttot to relvaise

',hem ilit tredanger oiasTo v er'Suchptecant ions were
wise. prtaent, and j ustifiahle.: Entertaining
opi mon, Ite;skt-w.n.o...rcason.ter,repeot of tire. vote. be
bad given last year; w .ith respect to the presentrios-s-
-tion, hesami, HO cause to doubt. of.the.propriety 'Of
proceeding by ballot, as the Menibers• would
,be
elec:ted by;,a maj,ority.of the Hoit•e. Pwrcediv.gs
by ballotArad„ in et ery instance, of cases of this
.gott,, been rei,irted.to in order
,to l& serr the :int
iloelice of iktinisiters, because it ‘vas sopßosed
voters n--o.ald not be „under the same conirottL as
if they tord,:given their Votes- in the noose. Ile
quotert some precedents in point, and concluded
w,ith repeating, that he saw, the slightest tea
squ for refusing to appoint the Committee by
-ballot. . .„ .
Sir W. Buatt.ouotts denied that the events that
hattpccurred since, last Sessions had. fullyinstifi.-
edethe measures that haft been, adopted. • His opi-
nion svas directly t h.e. conty.ary.. The 1-ion. a Sul
Learned .134ronet .prucced t.o yeviewt he proceed 7
ings,: from the. presentation of the first ,Report.,,
ridiculing the stat emeors it contained of .the..tre-
tnettilausoperoions corttenkplat hay a brok en,
.:down farmers a..lll4.l..sritr.ved apothecary, anti.two
coblers.. in the second Report, all die jisaffcc.,
00tr so peculiarly apiilied to the capital was stink,
land 4,W4s..spc,itis.elly drclare..(k,t4.,it.,ll.? coo-

-csritt in,.inutraget4. -13tir be •though
.11114! il.racheow,tlc.,ll4/12Lui,,p.:rt:t; t hey 1,01; iiOl,C,
hey'Avaltild. Ware bt:tn gii4lty (it ,•acterclie;,:oil of
the 'duty, and i'f,t hey eoulti Hot a gooti
case, he wold(l,pleftge Mini 1 10 vo.e agpiost
hern., He pymitsted 4iXa IEI,I 4 ptlt..sort !fla.phe.

motts.and seditious ir:asli with tvhich I'l-
l-1144416de and the object of which was to demo.,
ral4g the.eountry.
•
Mr. SAym.a:expreised his opinion of the ma.
teiially mrproved.state uk tire country in i s finan-
cial; agricultural, andxnannercial relations: This
he attributed tit. a great degree to the hint from
t:lw.Thrune,at the beginning of,the last S,tizSion,
respecting, .ecanomy and re4renchment,having been
adopted by •Ministers.--As. long. as th,ey did not
t.etun to attend to:such.bints, be should lilways be
happy togiveJhem his support. The Hon. Gen.
dental] descanted 144 smite length. on his own de.
(ermined Parliamentary independence,which would
ever,be avit had been durAigthe:eleveti years'that
he had had the honour of a seat, :
After a few .words from Mr. FORBES, who ivag
understood to, say that he should have preferred
seeing some of,. those Men taken up who were in.
the habit of making inflammatory speeches.; and
to approve of the measures that had been adopted
for the security of the country,
The Tiestion was pot, that tlte.Papers on
the tn,blc be terererd to . a Committee, which
was carried io :hr.aOrtnative ; .as was, also the
gucvjotip that the (,;.,,umnittee he one of Secrecy,
and iliac it consist 01,2,1 Members.

Olt the finestion that the Members be chosen
.exionsoln.;sted het ween the conspiracies here and
ter Jlme, country. It
.had been_ said c43at :I•4c- thou- by way of
sand, placards
..had been posted alp. inviting the
Mr. littouGmtAm did not wish to protract the de.
.
people to rise and destroy the Government.
bate, but merely to say why he could not 'give
Was there arty attempt to prove this on cite trial of
his consent to the mode of election by ballot. The
Watson ? :Sone at all. Now as ;0 Derby,. Iti.s
Noble Lord woold thus. hritte‘ the House into a
Opinion was ihrectiv contrary to that Of the HOn•
difficulty which they -could not get out of—it the
Gentleman who spoke last. The.CivilMagistrates
Noble Lord were to be ()allotted, and a certain
were perfectly competent to seize and. commit
number were to be of Opinion. that the Noble
the lenders, armed only with their ordinary
Lord Was not the fittest person to silqin the Com-
power's For the justifiCation of dovernmenthe
thought :.some such. evidence as that which the mittee to decide his own particular; case, partien-
lady as. to any action brought againSt him by
lifrOurable_Qentlernan thought improtter ought
to have been broht forward. The ground of those. individuals, and •which, for any thing that
d,feilet• was, that therioters were out of bread, might he known, might already be entered on the
record If any Member wished to put the ques..
and the Learne&;Judge, in his charge, -left it to
'ion whether the Noble Lord should be a member
Ihe Jury to ;decide whesther there ,was any parti-
of the Committee, What he desired to know was,
'clam. object and concert amongst them. It this
how the sense of the House could he taken on a
Connexion had beep pro Ned by the evidence of
name after the hall,,t had been gone through ?
the inlormers, and • that, their object was general
destruction, iocludiog .t he Constimoion, could it Mr. CANNING was equally anxious. not to pro-
have been doubted -that their conduct was
,high tract the debate ; but .he Saw no.ditliculty, as the
'reason? It would have excluded the argu- name of the \obit'. Lord amnia not be found in
merits of Counsel, as to their having no-par,i- the list that wimld h put on rite tattle, unless by
eular object in: view; kV,hile., Votild 11.71Ve ;ds !I, !llAjOrilYa,fthe Holise ; and bow a Mioority
closed who were
,the real inltigators„o:le could turn round the division of a majority was
happy culprit had declired expressly in his last !nrlip-rt hr could not comprehend. Whet, he reeol.
moments that he imputed to Oliver the crime
~lected that Committees of this kiwi had been
he had committed, V. not have ..flipointrd if) the same
.way on evcryoccasion:, he
duce(' him?
_lt would have shewn that it was thought the argionent was eruichisive; that one
not for general purposes, btr for .a _particular , itiOe was snore calculated thou another to enter
object that they had risen. 13ut Ministers saw ',an imlividuil'S cop Sent
,t 0 name.
they lied no chance but try shifting the scene to Wi
tch ttregrediest delicacy to his let Hugs, the,b4-
ILilieliester, alter the trial of Wa!son,...llow then lot was. the best or only way in tvhicir Co,ild.
tyqold they ).nswer 'o the public ,for discharging do it. He seas old einiugh.to_rementher when
.those men who had heed ilpplisoned how any there e:ere.two lists in circulation on all sueb`oc-
(Fiat Wi4eive'r, after eltarglemg them with' going casinos; the, one isSning tri oln 0:e 'Picas7l ry, as it
INihetaldy to WWI; 9) overturn the Grriernment ; was railed, 'and the other from thesOppO.sirion,
thus committing ati,',ovett act,of High Treason 1 aml they .usnally piaduted a wonderful Coinci-
They had
.thus avowed that none of the grounds deuce. Then, wha , t the argument come to,
contained in the Second heport were sufficient to • heat that a del rite Might be raised on an intlividoal
motorise the proecedimgs that had: been adopted. • name Whether this, was an objection, he thiso
Ao to the. charge.ol,,disaffection, had not the gu. haydly worth an Unitary.
After a few words fri,ns Mr. Buouonsm and
nerd feeling on a late melancholy event Frayed
that there never was a more general attachment . lEksw.v, in.expidnation, the House divided--
to the House of Brunswick and the Consti.: For the Motion
tntion, than then prevailed amongst ,people
Against it -•29
of every class and station ? As to theimokst of
Majority in favour of the Ballot
ballot, he denied that it was not mitilr-dxl,,
-Al r. SAYtt.Ls gave notice, that on toesdii}r be
ceptionalrle than thaT by vote, and argtied that
the object of the measure before the aotse.was should-move for leave- to bring in a very. shore
ln-
posthumous justification of the measures of the 1311{hut one particularly affecting the Landed
terest, a 4 its object
.would be to protect them
last Session. Did they Mean to move tor a eon•
rinuation of 'that part of the Act of. last Session against Tenants .leaving Laddsl that have
beets ill
.possession,-• without paying their rent.--...
,which. related to the -preventing La. snspicitios' 'their
djourned.
Meetings„and wbich.wouid expire; in, ,July
not, he saw no prospective measure they could
'haie it, view but that of indeninity'. the Nol:de
Lord ,had. said this, .nighl, .in.,plain 'crams,. :that
some abuses or violations of the law haul taken
place. Then it amounted 19. this ; that Torii:i-
ntent had confided to them extraordinary powers,
irtl4liat they had even exceeded them,",by.keep-
ing persons in. jail,. and •then. dismissing
them withontany trial. How were these men to
'obtain redriss for the injuries they bad sustained,
but by bringing actions? .and -yet they were 101)r
deprived of all remedy by a r.iport from Member's
,appointed ,by Ministers t he'll selves,. and withotit
an opportunity of being heard, by going befOre the
'Committee. In his it:Pigment this Was one. of the
most violent roceedings, that l'arliamerit hog ever
recorded, and be entreated. the, House -to
..pause
before they put such powers into thehands of
Ministers, by giving them the privilege of the
J. SEBRIGHT declared, dial afteri,,having
read and considered. the Report of the Committee,
he thought the state of the country required that
• Act, _strong as il,:vellainly.Was and he ,was ,one
of those who would always be ready tostrengthelt
the hands of,Government whenever it was neees,-
sary•te put down cOnspiratori of any description.
But he owed it to himself and the country to
state, that-on• that occasion he was grossly deceiv.-
ed. Perhaps Gentlemen would ,not -honour lam.
with cheers when they heard that. it was-tips his,
intention-to impute to. Ministers any deception,—
But although he.fullyexotrerat et! Ministers from,
all suspicion of any intention :o deceive, it cad
not appear to him, from any thing that. had come:
to his isuowledge, that the 'military laws of the
cottony might not have been sufficient to restore
tranquillity. He took no blame to himself for his
vote; hut, in his bumble opinion, the .eveois
had, trait justified the measures that had been re,-
sorted to.
Mr. El-L.IION contended that no one could be...
lieve -otherwise than that Brandt etti had had
gross falsehood intposcrl on hi (0 respectine•gli-
ver, At the time of his examination.- That we
were in danger he had no doubt; but,- thank
-God, we had subdued it.. lie could state, frpm
his own experience as a' Magistrate,- that there'
had beets emissaries going about the countryp to

REFUGE FOR THE DESTITUTE.

The Annual Dinner of the " REFUGE FOR TEIS
DESTITUTE" was, held yesterday at the City of
London Tavern, which was attended by a nume-
rous and res,ptectahle company. His Royal High-
ness the Duke of. YoaK took the (Alai!, and an
excellent dinnet: was served tip; aftt;r whicli the
u,oal loyal and
,appropriate toasta were drank.—
" Non nobis DOnrine,"—" God sve the King,"
&c: %vete sang' with great effect by Mes•rs. GoitE,
TAYLOR, IYtiRRLL, &c. Tbe Treasnrer react the
Report of the State 'of the Institution;' which
tbsingh it did not exhibit its fittii,ees iii the most
favourable point of certainty reflected the
highest credit upini the Committee for their phi-
lantbrOpy, yvhose resOlutions'to observe the most
rigid economy "were 'subdued by . the numerous
chums of extreme' and peculiar cEises of distress
that had recently come before them add as
these cAses 'exceeded the limited means in 'heir
power, they bad no.altermative Lintthat ofthrow-
ing themselves'oport- the resources of aniicipiited
benevolence. ;Dr. 14,sHitsoioN made a most elo-
einem and en'ergettie'aPpeal in behalf of tlie
Itisti-
rution Mr.l3cisa,NtauET, others. His
Royal Ilighntessthe Doke, of Yolitt,paid some very
filttering •Ctifomidiril; Wisiiing' it the most ex-
tended.inieans of ,benefit in, society.; Loud
in. an impre.ssiye speech, bi'cathing the
,tuns,t.aoentr\principles of humanity, atol good
wishes
_the estahlishinent, coosidered it

ut!F Itith,ly,dcyryittg.upport and encouragement,
as calculated not trtery)s tojelievea, tO resent.,
etn,d„as a,cti,ng an. auxiliary-part. to the Executive
.Goventokent of .the country, ill snatching wretches
who, bli„.(9r.it4.iiit erpOsit.ion, rnight become de-
vo.ed, l•fetittis (9,CrimF,.4:ncl, infamy. Wit,n it I,
.;co,oidefeli.(llo. the,tdititns upon •this institutiott
ate of no peculiar conntry, sect, :sex, or. ag,e, but
that evre,t,ttetlistress,and wretchedness, and en-
utio.tt,of all,other means of support, are
,t he, only ecommendations requisite., it inwst etete-
,t:toly„tuak,e.lts way with an enlightened and feel-
ing people, means• become contutenstirste
-Iwit-it•the-grand plan of o,e,ruost extruded succour
and plotection to