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The Earl of GALLOWAY supported the motion, ,but
regretted that some unwise concessions had been mace
in the House of Commons, and he was surprised drat,
her Majesty's Ministers in that House (the Lords) were
not able to adhere to the pledge given by their col-
leagues in the other House, to support the measure, at,
least in the same state in which it was sent up to them.
The Duke of WELLINGTON felt great respect for
the Commissioners, but he had before observed to the
House, that this inquiry. had not been carried on by
those Commissioners having the power to administer an
oath, but by a number of Sub-Commissioners, appointed
by the Secretary of State, not having the power of ex-
amining upon oath.—(Hear. hear.) He thought the
evidence contained in the Report was not exactly of such
a character as to carry with it their Lordships' confi-
dence, and therefore it might be expedient to examine a
little more into the character of the evidence before they
gave their sanction to the Bill. He had stated his anxious
wish to vote for some measure in the present session of
Parliament which would get the better of the evils which
existed in the collieries. In the meantime he shoul3 vote
for the second reading. and when the proper time came
he should give his opinion ITon the amcodments which.
night be proposed by his Noble Friend or any other
Noble Lord. He had stated his opinion now with regard
to the evidence, and he did not think he reed go anY

further at present.—(Hear.)
Lord HATHERTON wished to explain as to what he
had said on a former evening respecting inaccurinies in
the Report. He had not attributed intentional inisrire-
sentation to the highly respectable and conscienttous
gentlemen who composed the Commission. What be
had said was, that the evidence contained some erroneous
statements respecting the districts with which he wry
acquainted.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY regretted that the
Noble Lord opposite had withdrawn his notice of rao
tion for a Select Committee, the effect of which Was,
that they were going to pass the second reading of a
Bill which that Noble Lord (Hatherton) had said Was
founded upon false statements.—(No, and a laugh.)
Lord HATHERTON—No; I said that some of the
statements were erroneous.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY was compel
reluctantly, at that late hour (when it was so inconveniell
to many of their Lordships) to follow the Noble FAO
who moved the second reading of the Bill through Pats
of his statement. In the first place, the Noble Earl eu"
logised the Commissioners. Now he could not join Seri
in that eulogy. One of the persons who was 014
into Scotland, was a man of the name of Franks, 1
hatter, who had been twice a bankrupt, and lieu
been convicted, fined, and imprisoned, for a libel on the
Clerk to one of the City Companies. With respect to
what had been said as to women working naked in
mines in England and Scotland, when they were not se
employed in the mines in Ireland, the women in
Ireland, the women of the peasantry in to south of Iry
lend, who were almost always naked—(Laughter)
were employed in harder labour than working in mines'
Lord CLANC ARTY—What is that ?
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY—Digging pets",
toes.—(Great laughter.) He repeated it was harder and
more laborious work, and worse than working in mines;
—(Oh, oh, and laughter.) The Noble Marquis roc'.
letters from persons connected with Scotland, who stated . isi
that the evidence in the Report was not collected
in an honest manner—that it contained many mss' `s
representations—and that if the Bill passed, the
working of the mines must be given up. The women
thrown out of employment in the mines would not get t.`,.-
living. in any other way. It was very well to talk of
the little boys. But who was to fill their months A.
from eight to ten years? In conclusion, he moved thacti
the Bill be read a second time this day six months, s,o‘,,
he would divide the House if he divided alone. It t"'
House acceded to his proposition, the measure could be s
next session referred to a Select Committee. '
Lord WHARNCLIFFE in reference to what line r''
been said by the Earl of Galloway, as to the differenc
of opinion between the Members of her Majestfe Gas
vernment in this House and in the other said there 0.51,
none. They bad been, throughout, resolved to give thel
support to the principle of the Bill. But it was necesssfo';
to proceed with deliberation, even in the removing ,9
a grievance. There was a great deal in til.,
details of the Bill which ought to have bee'
inquired into ; and in this respect the 'louse
of Commons had not done its duty.—(Hear.) If use
Bill bad passed as it came up from that House it
the
have done great injustice. But his Noble Friend (t 4
Earl of Devon) had managed the Bill so well that he
was ready to give his vote for the seeeoll,
reading. At the same time he was LILs
quite sure whether that part of it which 71,
the most desirable—the exclusion of women frTs
working in mines, would be hailed with unmixed delig7,
in the collieries. He feared that it would at first cres
much distress, by throwing many out of employment. it
The Bishop of GLOUCESTER was unwilling to he
trude himself upon the attention of the House, but Pf
could not abstain from protesting against the deetri.,ne°se
a Noble Earl (Radnor), who had addressed the i'eti,",t
in the early part of the evening. The doctrine wathaith
this Christian Legislature ought not to interfere '2O
moral duties. Having made, this protest, he supe
the Bill. tilt
The Duke of BUCCLEUCH would not trouble be
House for many minutes at that late hour. But ids obi
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had been alluded to by some Noble Lords he cool j3it
give a silent vote for the second reading of thiPh
No women were employed in the mines with *kw 1
XiMaltrilitebekOntlgnatimilOikestgliati Arazio ,P,,,',
in favour of the employment of their wives and daugh,.terac ,
He believed it was perfectly true that in 5" of,
cases the women, having been once employed o°,o •
doors, become attached to it, and were very averse 'O6
change. He had not found that in his neighbournes
e-here women had ceased to be employed, the Pn'
had felt any increase to their burdens.—(Hear.) usT,
After a few words from the Earl of 'S°
CASHEL, aivisi°
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no r
took place, and the Bill was read a second time, aO3 o
ds.,red to be committed to-morrow (this day). ea 04
The other Orders of the Day were then disPes
and their Lordships adjourned at Ten o'Clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 14
The SrEAKEs took the Chair at Four o'clock.
SHANNON IMPROVEMENTS.
Mr. F. FRENCH presented a petition fronl Y
ioe3
common, complaining that 100,0001. had been
upon the county for improving the property: °
oiiii
to
Crown (the Shannon Navigation); the petitto.vit
complained that if this *as persevered in they 701
not be able to pay the assessments, and prerviefiel
the sums to be raised might be more equally"
over the whole of the districts which the Shoo°
provements would benefit.
POOR-LAW.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a peti iv
tioo
a union in Kent, against the Bastardy clause
Poor-law Amendment Act.
THE TRUCK SYSTEM.
Mr. FERRAND presented a petition from
habitants of Neath, Glamorganshire, signed wi'vetr
tradesmen, shopkeepers, and operatives. Thee ",
tioners stated that they had heard that the IP% o',
about to adopt measures to put a stop to
truck system, which they stated to be in full elle t
in the vicinity of that town. They prayed t1,1,5re5;
House would be pleased to adopt such rnees'"oitor
would tend to the entire abolition of that hug
practice.
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NOTICES OF MOTION. hr
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE gave notice that bic be
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withdraw his motion relative to Supply,
Of ~dsf
had given notice, and in its place, on Thu s 4
t
should move an Address to the Crown, ho s' ,t
same object in view.
Mr. MUNTZ to gave notice that fly ri
tf)
session he should, move a Committee Cotioo:
quire whether the distressed state of the 1001,
arose from the state of the Corn-laws and rooli;t e
also what proportion wages tore to the price ocietS
and whether it would be to the advantage of
reduce such wages.
MONUMENT TO SIR SYDNEY Sftii' po'
Sir F. BURDETT gave notice of a 10°t
this day week to address her Majesty, to err,
nument to the memory of Sir Sydney' Stair' i,fly
THE TOBACCO BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCP, e; of
moved that the Order of the Day for
reading of the Tobacco Bill be read, for the P to
postponing it. tle4
Mr. HUME wished the Right Hon. GS,II, 331,11''0e
state on what day he would proceed with to'
the delay had caused considerable awdeti v 0
who were engaged in the tobacco trade, poPz
The CHANCELLOR of the Eh
fixed Monday for the second reading. )0Y
ADMITTANCE TO NATIONM'
MENTS. 1/ le`
, to ,'"e-t
Mr. HUME rose, pursuant to nonce, the 101'
attention of the House to the Report itioef ; for
Committee on National Monuments, •esty,
and to move a humble address to her .A.L4 j
ing that she will be graciously pleased r,OO
tions to the Trustees of the British Ntu—,inge do
the National Gallery, to the authorities 113sof Doc, 0,
of the Armnries and Jewels in the Towe.„d, 1100
to the Commissioners of Greenwich liosPlak.'oectio_
all persons having the management or
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public edifices and cathedrals, for the
~mea;Ael'
those facilities and improvements the rert
that Report. It had long been .110 riot
of the British people, that they could
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admitted to public monuments on sec° obse 001
disposition to deface them. He had idw.j.):
that where confidence was not placed le, 01tilt
where they were treated with distrust,
onti‘•ltbe
different to derive confidence. was
hand, whenever they felt that confidence Ava
.0„,
in them, they endeavoured to justify' It•weretali"eltiiii;
proved that he was right, when the peoPle,ish 11100,03
to the National Gallery and to the Brlirfectly to").
for it was found that their conduct Fed no Coo'
that no inconvenience whatever, place'tyo„;
whatever to the treasures which tn(idstt,ittietigaiii
tamed, was to be apprehended frore.," to ifefre;
In 1841 he obtained a Coromr,'oll'—otioll referrer
into the subject to which his present.
nted
but the shortnes3 of the session roe ,rhey t At!
doing to it all the justice they Nosbed• 0,0,
that admittance to view coilectionNss*Tcould,,l:o:
was a species of education to those on Mere t
educated in any other way, °try in tIO
very large number in this °III/