The Sun.
London, England, 1820-06-07 00:00:00

ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.

Mr. I-lUME ruse, and said, that the intention of
the Act 5 George 111. C. 113, had, he thought,
been completely violated by the pensions granted
in the Slot ekeeper's department of the Ordnance,
end he must expressly and distinctly object to the
practice of granting pensions after such short pe-
riods as one, two, or three years service. He
wished also ro he informed if these pensions had
been granted on the order of the Nlaster-General,
or under the signaiure of three Lords of the Trea-
sury, 9, WaS the usual practice ?,
Mr. It. WARD Said, the pensions of which the
}lmmutable Gentltm4n complained, were those
granted to Officers who had lost their offices by
a reduction in the department, and certainly
ware not within the intent nod meaning of the
Act to which the Honourable Gentleman bad t.ll-
- In reply to ids question, be begged to in-
form him that no pensions isbateer were grant-
ed, es.eept under a warrant of Treasury, signed by
Lands.
Cad. DalitEs said 8 few words.
Mr. R. WARD ex pia hied.

Mr. CALCR.iFT said, he bad for some years left
011 troubling the Hon. Gentleinen opposite with
any observa:ions on the Oldnattre expenditure.—
The lust time be had so addressed theta, was (hir-
ing the administration of Lord Mulgrave, and he
had then said that the estimate produr.:ed was a
plitterg, to all the other services of the country; but
lie regretted that in the tit st year of the adminis-
notion of that illustrious Captain (the Duke of
Ni eiltugton), he could not compliment bins, be-
cm.,e he had added 127,0001. yearly to that re-
duced estimate. of the hill of-Mulgrave„ The
nun. Geutleman had spoken' of a saving of
'.0,000/. and tie reduction of nineteen Officers ;
to. to tooth, unfortunately it „would be
!mold 11,3, the result of till MIS, as he stated,
f: onsiticiable am:feast., It might be said that this

increased expenditure was •necessary, but In his
opinion, no case bad been made our, and snider
the existing circumstances of the country, if such
necessity really existed, it was the duty of those
at the head of the Departments to see if 'no coun-
terbalancing deductions could be made in other
branches. _

nr.IVARD said, that of this increase or i33:0001.
there was 55.0001. flowing from Mr. Windh►ans's
Act, and other Acts of 'Parliament, with which
tt►e Noble Duke at the head of the dep►erttuent
had nothing whatever ro do. Ten thousand
pounds also wa' expended tar arming the yeo-
manry corps., and it surely would not be said that
those catps should not have arms.
Mr. Hume said, across the table, the reduced
tavalry arms might have been supplied.
Mr. R. WARD sail, the Noble Duke's attention
to economy was exemplified in 11114 instance, for
he had supplied such part of the reduced cavalry
arms as were tit for service, and by attaching new
stocks to such carbine' as required it, and mak-
ing other repairs, he was enabled to limit the
expense to 10,0001. which, had new arms beets
surplicd, would have amounted to 30,0001.—He
regretted the disposition which appeared, to cavil
at the acts of the Noble Duke at the head of the
Ordnance, whose great services all allowed.

Sir Jouu Newroar said, that in looking at
these Estimates lie must consider the Duke of
Wellington—not as Duke of Wellinvou, but as
Master General of the Ordnance. The Honour.
able Member might sneer as much as he thought
proper, and impute motives of spleen to indivi•
duals, but if the Noble Duke thoftht proper to
accept a responsible office, it was to that House
lie must be accountable, and it was the duty of the
Members of that House to ex -.mine his conduct
in it with the same minuteness as that of any o tier
public officer.
Mr. R. WARD disclaimed any intention of ins.
poling any improper motives to any Honourable
Member.