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London, England, 1816-03-23 00:00:00

once in- the systems of firianee to wiiieb be bad
aimied, :maim had no:liesitation again to anu•ver,
. svere the question put to him, that the mode, of
proceeding with reference 'to;:tbe Property Tax,.
was decidedly the most de4rable in the way of
affordiiu. relief. tivion. that ground Monts the dis*
• tiaction had been made, and he could assure the
louse, whatevery expedient for raising the sums
necessary may be adopted, he considered it a dirty
*rally iniperioux.upon Government and upon-
Varliament, to fix the establishments of the coun-
try in tluit way, and on those. rinciples, which the
interests oaf the country required, taking care, at
the same tinie, not to make them more extensive
than the rieressitv of the ease called for'.
•
The Earl of Litinerinaeg 'was of opinion that
some distinct pledge shaulil be required; not only
*as to the amount, • but: to the duration of time
• which the loan system should he acted upon.
The Earl of Eintemoist.(presented a Petition
front the County of York reireeting.the Fintmeial
and Agricultural situation of the Country*.
. Viscount MFLVILLE presorted a Petition from
the City Of Edinhurgh•againsi the continuance
of the Property Tax, and *a largaMilitary Este—
blistunent in time of Peace. •
• The Marquis of LkNIIDOWIIR stated, he had to
• give notice, on the part of a Noble Marquis, that.
be intended shortly to submit a motiou to the
flouse on the subject of the State of Ireland. Ile
should now move for a summons, as his Noble
Yriend, perhaps, would. very soon specify the day.
SLAW, MADE.
Lord GRANVILLE rose, to bring forward his
promiseal,motion on this subject ;, but befofc -he
entered Upon it', be begged to. call the attention
..6f the House to a diderent topic,
•and which he
•deemed of smote importance. • The' Noble Lord
then adverted to the mode (from which great in-
convenience was experienced) in which the tic.
coonts or reports tent home from the different
Presidencies in India, in which the statements of
what concerned the political and, counnercial con-
cerns of the Company were so blended and eon-
!iied that it was impossible adeqoately to distin-
guish them, or to say, when settlements came to
be made, what their coroinereial losses may be.
He should, on some early open day,. bring for-
. ward a motion on the,subject, of which, he trust-
ed, what he now.said would be deemed st sufficient
tiotice.
„
The Noble Forl then proceeded to introduce his motion in
a speech of Oaf.* !eolith. Ile adverted priniiirily to the well
.known causes which ed tot he adoption of the great uivasnre
,if the aholitron,•the objects of which were, founded, not :oily
iii tie plainest principles of justice nod innulty, hot in no
„.sarall degree of ooliey also. Ear Hence however hod proyed
that varloncsubordinate rriptlattens wire oecessery to render.
;this measure elf. ctual to he, attainment of its objects; and in
that view e -r ,
otin salaam:ad:l were made. Ili:adverted to t be,
'rights possessed by the LegiSlatures; but Which he
held to be in oiost respects subject to the paramount controla
of lir,. Legislature, from which these very sights bad
origioally emanated, .0 lid whicii were limited princip,ll y to 04
loc,o'Conceins of the fslaltds, touched upon tb. Orlin
*apprehensions which wire entertaiiied, that clamlestioa
,porystions of slaves still tools place, Awl to MIMI, It would
appeor, the system which was allowed, of reciprocal inter-
change or conveyance of slaves,'Mfoyded no t:nall
it wsei'very imputtint,with a view tithe objects of the great
ittieasure, that the•mateirml number attic slaw in the flat.-
Tea ishoWs should be known to the ;Ivitisl: LegiAature, and
yrotatiuni in that view were made : hot mere statements of
Nclabtrs were not sulliCient hand in thee view of remedying this,
wirg prolictod, the adoption of which would, he thought,
H , itirtc.l with the most salutary effects. nvgistrirs not
only of the numbers, hot of the TIMM'S,. state, sixes, and
s,ther conditions of those unfortunate persons in the rdifterrot
shook! be regolatly transmitted to Parliatnent, which
romid bring the whole subject frequently tinder the view of
the flopmal Legislature ; andoiartiettlarly, it would enable
hem to ascertain, whether an inurease of ihn Block popoloi*
lion proceeded front • natural and allowable reuses, or
from the rpprchaptle!) eirconistance of ocensiooll clandestine
Ithonttaoons. After dwelling for sonic time, with his accus-
'timed ability, force, Mid perapieitity, on the above and some
other relevant considerations, the Noble Lord concluded by
snoring ;or Address to the Priors, Itegcsit for the prodnetion
trf Copies or Extracts of such Ileports as were transmitted
itfroot :the finvernOrs of the nritish West Indio Islands since
the year lito7, touching. the condition, numbers, and regalial.
it ion; adopted for the mana-riment of the Negro Slave:title:a,
its :Maim, also iuclndrrl two other descriptions of Ali-
soitints subordinate to the foregaing. • , •
Lord liocciksro rose, not. to opperse the produe-
Simi of the .levonnts moved for by his Noble Vriend, but to
say a few words upon the subject to which they referred, He
would MM.' nifer tie opinion un ilil measure in progress, ad-
verted to by his N4hle Friend, for the registration 01. slaves,
1? nit lie mitt/4 heg Wire to express considerable doubts as to
part of what he but kdranced, namely, on the subject of
slandestpwimportation of stares Ou this lie thought much
oxaggcri tion ot least prevailed. lie believed that not ,o sin-
gle slave had been illegally impiwted into the Island of Je.
ma'am, and iii great measure he thought os much could be
Said of the other Ilritish Wands. Upon the whole, he seem-
S l to entertain doubts 45 to ,the very considerable benefits
which **ere supposed wool& 'result from the proposed regisi.
trotimi ,
Loyd GriENvti.ca spoke in explanation ; and
after- a few words between his Lordship 'and Earl Bathurst
,aorosA time table, apimrently respecting the verbal tenor of
the Jai ter itiotipm, tile:question WA, put, end the whole were
agreed to by the tiousc.
•i—Adjouried till Monday,

110 U $E (;ONiMONS:

A return woo pretented, from .t he Insolvent Court, of the
Amount of tirents',t if Pemnis discharged tinder the Instil-
v.ent-Ari, and of the property received.
41. t t preheated from Stamford against the Insol-
vent 4ct.
A Petition was presented from Grantham, recommending
A -7.".::•iv Writ was ordered for Lyme Regis, in 'the roma. of‘
lord Burr-her-or. •
Mv. tiitANT presented it Petition from the Agricultural
Society of Inverness, proYing for the Equalization of the
Distillery vorl.
41c IZ. UEPON gave notice of it motion for Tuesday, for
the 11.9tutt of certain Lueol'.ets ruslitletino Provisions for the
Poor. •
• AGILICIII,:f t: ft A-L• DPrritEm.
, MI.. Sou-as . 01p-treed, that some taxes pressed
lutist unequally on agriculture in different parts
'of the country. He alluded particularly to the
taN on agtiCitittlral horses. This ME operated
mine severely on farmers in Wales, than on their
more opulent neighbours. He thought that small
farms should be exempted from it.. Those under
150 i. a year Might, perhaps, 'come within that
' limit ;,out! It ought to ho considerably diminished
.on those of a higher. value. It ought also.ro lfie
considered that roads. and'highways occasioned a
great exile ice to poor ,parishes by the cost and.
trouble{ of statute labour and be thoaghti that
when a mail coach passed, the intrish should be
exempted. Ile did not, see that alterations in
those respects would be injurious to the revenue.
t W-48 better to get rill of the, liorse.tax altoge-
ther. Public economy would make up fully for
all deficiencies of revenue and he hoped to see it
etteeted.as speedily
.as possible. He hoped for
retrenchment of allusefess or frivolous expellees.
tie concluded by panegyrising the conduct of the
Welch people, on the landing of the, French in
1797.

POATPONEMENT OF =VIE ESTIMATEs.
Mr. it. IVA n rose to mOve the postponement
*Log coluideratigm of the unwilling Ordnance

Estimates, but ,spote in so I.v.v a tO le.t.hat We
could not ascot tent Nyhtthek the day fixed 'vas
Wednesday or Friday next.
Mr. CALCBAFT attributed any alterations that
might take • place in these Estimates to the late
majority on that side, of the Houle; 101 e" the
Zstimites. came backlhe trusted further discussion
would be spared, for the Honourable Gentleman
,would see, in the mean time, whether it would
lint be • prActicable to reduce the different esta-
blishments. If not, the Gentlemen on his side
Would be able satisfactorily to pore, that consi-
derable reductions conk) he made in the Ordnance
',Department But it woull'beenme the Heads of
the Administration to• look into these Estimates,
and effect the object themselves.
After some brief conversation between Mr.
PowsottaY and Mr. WARD, which could not be
he'ard,
PONSONRY said it Was not his wish to go.
one step beyond the usages of the House; bitt he
could not refrain from expressing the great soil-.
faction lie felt at the intimation he received that
reductions were intended, because this intention
Was 'founded on the present temper of the House.
Mr. WARD rose immediately, awl declared he
could lint submit to this kind of insinuation, when
the question was only relative to the postpone-
mein ?f a notice. The Right lien. Gentlemen
was proceeding in his observations, when he WAS
called to order.
"the SPEAKER said, that if he was appealed to
respecting order, ,he must say,- that when, ob-
servations %vete Made Oil a notice, they must na-
rurally lead to cower-Observations, which earthd
not be regularly entertained.
Mr. CROKE.R. moved fir certain accounts rela-
tive to the Chatter of Greenwich Hospital. and
the supplementary proceedings of 1809. Ordered.
Sir C. 111uNcK asked if the Proclamation
Gorerunient respecting the lonian- Islands had
been received, and when it would be laid before
the House ?• It was a subject of extreme import-
once.

Cam: ea answered, that 'the gallant Admi-
ral (Rowley) either did not send home the Pro-
clamation, or it had been Init. But he s not
quite sure that' this Proclamation had not already
been laid On the table of the House front some
other quarter, not connected with this particular
department ; he would, lioseever, enquire tto
the subject,
Sir (.;, 13uaireLt, said; it Was understood that
ttreVe were several persons holding sitoto ions in the
Unice of Ordnance,• 'whose salaries,.were regulated
as peace and war salaries; 'He wished to know
whether the persons holding them were rimv paid
on the foOting of peace or scar.
Mr. WARD answered, that they did .not receive
their war salaries. •
• Mr. V. FIT-ZGERALD gave notice of his Intel)...
lion of moving the repeal of the War Malt Duty
in Ireland, to make it correspond. with the.reclim-
tion that had taken plat): in England. He elided,
• after sratte brief conversation between Mr.
binapn aml another Member; that in justice and
couretrienee to some milliners, it might be ne-
cessary tri remit some pert Of the additional ditty
for all the stock on,liand in Ireland.
Lord PlEmsttsToN rose to move the postpones'
merit of ihr,firther coosidcration of the
'ng Army Estimate)). 'Mears while, he should lay
a written paper on the table (which might be
printed by Monday). shoving the number and exJ
tent of the reductions intended to he made,- as it
might be more convenient for Gentlemen to have
this eceonnt in their hands, • then'to wait for it.
Mr. TIRRNEY wished the Noble Lotd wonld
sting, whether What he had to propoie were new
reductions', or merely the reductions that hatl
react), been explained to the House
Lord PALURitSToN replied!, that certainly ho
hoped there would be some reductions, 'if which
the Househad not'yet been apprised, They were;
however, such as were thought practicable by
Government et the time he opened the Estimatesi
but Which be was not at that time able to state;
Mr, 'lsietirst:Y said, that all he hoped was, that
the Gentlemen opposite would afford time to the
House to reconsider the windier of men voted._
As they had thought it right to alter their plans
the Gentlemen on his side had a right to alter
theirs, that the reductor) might be carried on as-1
far as possible. Real savings tollie country could
only be made by reducing the number of turn.
Lard PstAtensfoN wished to explain, that reii.
specting the Staff Establishment, lie had previous:-
ly awed there Were certain reductions which
might he effected. But he torrid alsoinow state,
that further reductions may be probah)e,, and
likewise that the House might be able to look tO
still farther reductions in the course of the year.
He could not, howeVer, say at present what these
reductions. could be, '
Lurd,'Nuo ENT wished the ITuuse to be informed
what was the number of men who had actually
'been discharged since the peace. it was known
that there hart been reductions of many 'second
battalions, but in most cases, it appeared that the
men from these second battalions had been tram...
ferret! to the•first.
M. PoNsonay
.repeated the sincere satisfaction
be felt at the withdrawing of both these Esti.
mites, fle was glad that Ministers had resolved
to :mend them, as be would much rather see them
carried. through in their hands thrut on° his aide of
the House, because their official knowledge of
what ' reductions could be made, rendered them
more: competent to effect them. He was there-
fore displeased at the allusion that had made to
his being dissatisfied: So far from it,- he declared
he experienced the greatest satisfaction at what
belied heard. •
Lord Pat,- NaasTotv, in answer to some qUes-
Oohs front Mr. tALCRAPT and Mr. BriNNETT, sup.
posed to relate to'enliating, said there would be
no enlisting in future of young men under five
feet four itches high.
Mr. METttuebr asked whether it war intended
to bring forward the Navy Estimates on Mooday.
Sir ti. WARRENDSR said, he sew no 'reason
likely to prevent them front being then brought
forward. The Was another notice for that day,
notwithstanding which, be certainly meant to
bring them on.

SILVER' CURRENCY,
GIiANFELL wished to know of the Chan.
vellor of the Exchequer,
watt.h.r soy plan was
jrClgitatiO4 (or effecting a better circulation at sit.