The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-18 00:00:00

S'X'ANDENG ormEns cordririvar.r,.

The following Bills came before the Standing Orders Corn.
mittee, at three o'clock, this day, Lord Shaftesbury, Chairman :
The Newcastle-upon. Tyne (Tynemouth Extension) Railway,
the Great North of England and Richmond Railway, the Dundee
and Perth Railway, the Newcastle and Berwick Railway,
the Bridgewater Navigation Railway, the Clydesdale
Junction Railway, the Caledonian Railway, the Aber-
deen Railway, the Lancaster and Carlisle Railway, the Dublin
and Drogheda Railway, the York and North Midland (Harro-
gate Branch) Railway, and the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway.
The Bills being unopposed, the standing orders were declared to
have been complied with.
The Standing Orders Committee, having resolved themselves
into a Committee on Bills, took the two following unopposed cases :
—The Scottish Central Railway and the North British Railway.
The preambles of the Bills were declared proved, and the clauses
having been gone through, the Committee agreed to report them to
the House.

HOUSE OF COYIMONS.
GROUP A.
SOUTI-I-ELS-STER,II7 (DOVER)
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterd2y.)

Mr. MERREWETHER then proceeded with the re-examination of
Mr. Bidders, when it appeared that the interference with the righ
of way of the Croydon Company, spoken of by him last evening
might be avoided, if necessary, by dispensing with a part of th
proposed line. Mr. Vignolles' line must have thirty-two engines
at work daily, as they would have to travel 3,200 miles each day,
and it was not usual for one engine to travel more than 100 miles
per day. In witness's estimates of the expense of Mr. Vignolles'
line he had not included the cost of engines. Mr. Bidders then
spoke to the inconvenience resulting from the engine of the
atmospheric railway.

Mr. Robert Stephenson, co-engineer with Mr. Bidders, and also
engineer to the London and Birmingham Railway, corroborated
Mr. Bidders' evidence with regard to the necessity for and utility
of such a line as the proposed South-Eastern Railway, and the
inefficiency of the North Kent line.
Mr. Stephenson spoke to the intention of the South-Eastern line
to cross Dartford-creek with a drawbridge. He considered draw-
bridges as dangerous, but thought this an exception. He had
never heard of any accident occurring on a swing.bridge in Eng.
land. There would be two bridges at the same place, in
order that there might be one always ready for the engines to
pass over. A swing.bridge was a great advantage to the naviga-
tion of the creek, as vessels could choose the time when the bridge
would be raised to pass by. Mr. Stephenson then proceeded to give
evidence on the subject of the levels of the South. Eastern line, as
compared with the high-water marks at London, Chatham, &c.
The proposed extension from Chilham to Dover on the North
Kent line would be very inconvenient. To make any line in
that direction, Mr. Vignolles would be obliged to cut off all
angles that could be dispensed with, and the angle at Can.
terbury would be a great objection to this extension. No
line from Chilham to Dover should pass. through Canterbury,
but the nature of the ground of th..t part of Kent was such that no
line ought to be made in that direction. The best possible line from
London to Dover was that already possessed by the South-Eastern
Company.

The rest of Mr. Stephenson's evidence was entirely in corrobora.
tion of that given by the former witnesses, and which has already
been published in The Sun.

At the conclusion of Mr. Merrewether's examination of Mr.
Stephenson, the Committee adjourned till to•morrow, at twelve
o'clock.

GROUP GG.
GLASGOW JUNCTION RAILWAY.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)

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Mr. Sergeant ANDREWS—Perhaps you will do so for us, Mr.
Vignolles ? Witness—l have no objection. The line was sketched
on the map.

A severe cross-examination followed with regard to the working
of the latter line, and the facilities which it would give to the trade
of Glasgow.

Mr. Leslie, C.E., had examined the plans and sections, and ac-
cording to them, it would be impossible for the tunnel to avoid
opening in Wellington-street. He had seen the borings made, and
was aware that a bed of quick-sand would interfere, and that the
withdrawal of the water would destroy the foundation of the
houses. He knew the proposed tunnel at Edinburgh, and
a considerab:e quantity of water was drawn off there, which had
the effect of causing the area walls of the houses near to bulge out-
wards to the street. He considered that similar danger would
attend the boring of the quick-sands in Glasgow.
This closed the case for Mr. Campbell, of Blytheswood.
Sir W. RIDDELL, in a few words, opened the case for the Glas-
gow Bridge trustees, also opponents to the scheme, and merely re-
peating the arguments already so frequently advanced, concluded
without calling any witnesses.

Mr. Sergeant ANDREWS, as the day was far advanced, craved
11 to—morrow before making his reply.
The Committee, therefore, adjourned till to-morrow at twelve.

GROUP K.

THE MSS, BECCLES, AND YARMOUTH
RAIX:VITAIr.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)

Cross-examination continued—The coast line, if constructed,
would be very important, and give great accommodation to the dis-
tricts through which it would pass.
Mr. Oswald, examined by Mr. WILD—Is toll.collector and
inspector of dues at Beccles, at which town 1,600 tons
of coal are imported by ships, and 4,000 tons by
wherries, from Yarmouth annually. The present price of con-
veyance to Beccles from London, by land, is Os. per ton for

heavy goods. The freight from the former town to Leeds is 2s. 6d.
per quarter, and to Goole Is. 6d. per quarter for malt and grain. The
freight between Beccles and Yarmouth is 25. 6d. a last for corn, 2,000
tons of which is annually conveyed to the latter port. The number
of sheep passing through Rantham to London annually is 3,000,
and 2,000 bullocks. If the Diss, Beccles, and Yarmouth Railway
were constructed the traffic in those districts would doubtless
come upon it. The width of the narrowest part of the river
Waveney is 98 feet, and an embankment along its edge serves to
carry away the water from upwards of SOO acres that surround it,
and effectually prevents all possibility of floods.
Cross.examined by Mr. GIRDEN—Has sometimes seen the road
adjoining the river flooded two feet deep. During the last winter
it was thus flooded three or four times. Supposing that the
water, instead of escaping by the marshes as at present, were not
prevented by the embankment from o►erflowing, it would unques-
tionably flood the whole country round.
Mr. Richard Thornton examined by Mr. WILDE—Is a brewer,
resident at Yarmouth, and sends annually between 10,000 and
15,000 barrels of beer to London. During four years his
returns amounted to a total of 232,8031. Bs. 10d. The leakage by
land carriage is very considerable, and by rail that and the objections
of expense would be avoided.

Cress.examined by Mr. LEE—Has not carried on the business
since 1838, at which time he became bankrupt. A Mr. Daykin
succeeded him, but not a twentieth part of the original trade is
now kept up. Steamers are now carrying goods from Beccles to
London at the rate of Is. 10d. per ton.

Mr. W. Metcalfe examined by Mr. WILDE—Is a soap-manufac-
turer at Yarmouth, sending upwards of 260,000 tons per annum to
Ipswich ; does not send more than 30 tons to Diss, which is obliged
to oe conveyed by craft, but the navigation is very uncertain, from
the constant flooding to which it is subject. All the present traffic
to Ipswich would go on :the railway; by Dies, if completed ; and
the general feeling of Yarmouth is consequently in favour of
the line.

Cross_examined by Mr. GIROCN—Is sure that the feeling of the
inhabitants is in favour of the line; and, considering that it will
aflbrd such great accommodation to the traffic from Yarmouth to
Diss, is quite satisfied that its importance is palpable and un-
deniable.

Mr. Cudden and Mr. Charles May gave similar evidence of the
anticipated advantages of the line, end
The Committee adjourned at four o'clock.

GROUP L.
PORTSMOUTH ATMOSPHERIC LINE.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)

In the cross.examination of Mr. GUNNING, Mr. Sparkes stated
that his house looked upon the woods of the opposite hill, and corn.
mended a view of the country.
Mr. Locke, the engineer, stated that he had examined the plan
produced by Mr. Denton, and he was of opinion that the line was
shorter, the gradients better, and earthworks less than on the pro-
posed line. He had merely looked at the line in an engineering
view. He had made an estimate of the expense of both lines.
Th€re were 21 bridges on the deposited line, and 17 on the de-
viation line, each being 15 feet high from the curve of the
arch to the surface of the rail. The expense would be 57,000/.
on one line, and on theother 45,0001., but this did not include the
cost of land. The width of ballast at the bottom would be 24 feet.

In the re-examination of Mr. GUNNING, Mr. Locke stated that
the deviation would be shorter, and would cost 12,0001. less.
This closed the case of Lord Grantley.
Mr. Keane was called by Mr. RAWLISSON, but was interrupted
by Mr. GUNNING, who stated that Mr. Denton had returned, and
that he had ascertained that the plans deposited at the Private Bill
Office differed from those deposited with the clerk of the peace,
and it was therefore necessary to decide what course should be
taken. The plans deposited with the clerk of the peace were
correct.

After some conversation, it was ruled that the objection should
fall to the ground.

The examination of Mr. Keane then proceeded; and he stated
that he had surveyed the property at Wonersh, and that if the line
laid down were adhered to no part of the residential property of
Lord Grantley would be touched by the railroad. No portion of
the railway would be seen from the grounds or the house except
for a short distance from the second-floor windows. lie had him-
self been in the house, and had sent two other gentlemen to the
house to ascertain whether it could be seen, but they were refused
admittance. The railway was screened by lofty timbers, especially
several spruce fir- trees, and the viaduct could only be seen at a
considerable distance.

Mr. Drummond, of Albury.park, was called by Mr. RAWLINSON,
and stated that in lront of his house there was a large conical rock,
and while behind that rock the train could not be seen, but it passed
afterwards down a narrow valley, during its progress through which
the train was seen from the house.

Mr. Drummond was cross.cxamincd by Mr. GUNNING, and
stated that what injured one house would, under similar circum-
stances, injure another ; and, therefore, what was disagreeable to
him might not be very pleasant to Lord Grantley. He preserved
his own pheasants, and he did not think that his Lordship's phea-
sant-covers would be any the better for the trains.
The Committee then adjourned until to-morrow.