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London, England, 1827-03-24 00:00:00

CASE OF JOHN STANBITRY.

The SPEAKER---I have to acqu..int the Hctise
that the Serjeant has apprehended John Stanbury, who had re-
fused to attend the Committee on the Penryn election. Is it the
pleasure of the House that he be called in ?
Mr. C. W. WY NN moved that the usual procla-
mation should be read, which was accordingly done ; also the
Order for taking John Stanbury into custody. The Right Hon.
Gentleman then moved " that fur the Raid offence committed by
the said John Stanbury, Mr. Speaker should issue his warrant to
commit the said John Stanbury to Newgate."
After a few words from Mr. HUME,
The motion for the Speaker to issue Lis warrant to commit
John Stanbury to Newgate, was then put, and carried.
BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.

On the motion of C• W. WY NN, the Order

of the Day for the attendance of the Hon. Martin Ffrench and
Mr. Lambert, at the bar of the House, to be examined on the
subject of a breach of privilege, was now read.
The SPEAK ER—Serjeant, inquire whether the
Hon. Martin Ffrench and Mr. Lambert are iu attendance.
Serjeant—They are in attendance, Sir.
Mr. C. W. NVYNN then moved that the Hon.
Martin Ffrench should be called to the bar, which was carried
em. con.
The SPEAKER—CaII in Mr. Ffrench to the bar
of the House.
After a short pause that gentleman entered the House, and
stood at the bar.—(Cries of order.)
The SPEAKER—Mr. French I have to acquair.6
you, that yesterday a petition was presented to the House, by Mr.
Lambert, complaining of conduct on your part towards him, when
in the Lobby of the House. The House is now a:-::ions to know
whether you have any observations to offer in reference to that
subject?
Mr. Ffrench addressed the House in a subdued tone of voice,
and was but very imperfectly heard in the Gallery. He said that
he was exceedingly sorry fur what had happened in the Lobby.—
His friends had informed him that he had acted improperly, and
Ise should not have done as he had done, if his feelings had not
influenced him.
Mr. Secretary PEEL—I do not think that the ob-
ject of the observatiots which you, Sir (the Speaker), made,
was properly understood by the gentleman at the bar.---(Hear,
hear.)--Those observations were intended rather to enable him
to state facts, than to call upon him for submission.—(Hear).
Mr. Ffrench then, in a still lower and more agitated tone of voice
than before, addressed the House for a few seconds ; but it was ins -
posible to collect any finished sentence.
Having stopped, cries of "withdraw, withdraw," were ut-
tered from all parts of the House.
Mr. French having quitted the House,
Mr. C. W. WYNN—The Gentleman who has
just left the bar having expressed regret for what had caused the
House's interference, with feelings which displayed his state of
mind, I do not think that this matter requires to be carried fur-
ther.—(Hear, hear.)—Enough, I think, has been done to show
that the House will extend its protection to all witnesses (in the
same mariner as a Court of Justice affords protection to witnesses),
not only that they shall be protected during the period of their ac-
tual attendance, but in their going to and returning from Com-
mittees; as I before remarked, it is not necessary, in my opinion,
to proceed further in this case, ar.d I move " that the order re-
quiring the attendance of the Hon. Martin Ffrench and Mr. Lam-
bert in this matter be discharged."—(Cheers.)—The motion was
then put, and carried.

CORN TRADE.
Mr. C. GRANT moved the Order of the Day
for bringing up the Report oi the Committee'', Resolutions re-
specting the Cairn Trade Acts, when
Lord ALTHORP was anxious to address a few
observations to the House, as a misrepresentation of what he had
previously said on the subject had gone abroad. The House
would probably recollect, that on the second discussion of the
measure, he stated that he was happy to say he hail been informed
by one of his constituents that the Resolutions proposed by his
Majesty's Ministers had been generally approved of at a market at
Northampton. This was what he had said. Now the statement
of which he had to complain of was, that he had been represented
as having said that a meeting of his constituents had taken laace
since the Resolutions proposed by Government, and that those
propositions were approved of. Having then said (the second
day of the discussion) that the propositions were generally ap-
proved at a market at Northampton, it was hut fair to state, that
since that period the opinions of the farmers had changed on
the subject. He attributed this change of opinion partly to
the cause, that in the discussions which had since taken place, the
principles of the T4lll had not been strictly adhered to.
Mr. DENISON wished to know whether the
averages were to be taken by the Winchester or Imperial bushel ?
Mr. C. GRANT said that the law, as it now stood,
required them to be taken by the Winchester bushel, and so they
would be continued to he taken.
Mr. DENISON—And persons buy and sell by
the Imperial.
Mr. C. THOMPSON thought that only one
bushel ought to be used.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
begged to remind Hon. Gentlemen that it was impossible, from
the prescribed forms of the House, that any alteration could be
made in the measure at its present stage.
Mr. BARING objected to the inconvenience which
would result from the arrangement of taking the averages accord-
ing to one scale, and having the general dealings of the country
transacted according to a different standard. He suggested that
this disadvantage might be averted by adopting the imperial Inca-
ewes in both cases, and accompanying that alteration with the sub-
stitution of 625. for the proposed price of 60s.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
could not see that any practical inconvenience was likely to arise
from the arrangement pre e,used by his Majesty's Ministers.
Mr. CALCRAFT was ready to take for granted
from what had been said by the Right I{ouourable the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, that no practical inconvenience arose in the
Foreign Trade, but he knew that it was felt in the Home Trade.
In his opinion it would be wiser to revert to the Winchester •
measure, for if the rate of 625. were adopted, the people would
imagine that the landed interest had gained an advantage.
Sir GEORGE CLERK said that as the new
bushel was calculated to he about three per cent. more capacious
than the old, he did not see that there would be much difficulty
in increasing the rate proportionably to 62e.
Mr. DAVIES GILBERT observed that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had said that no inconvenience would
arise in fixing the import duties according to one standard, and
regulating transactions of buying and selling by another. He
(Mr. D. Gilbert) was ready to suppose that mercantile persons
would be free from any inconvenience on this score, but the
public at large, would be exposed to inconvenience and
confusion. If it was distinctly laid down that the price of
ties. was adopted in concurrence with the Imperial measure,
which was three per cent. larger than the Winchester measure,
he coneeived that it would obviate the inconveniences complained
of. He hoped his -Majesty's Government would re-consider this
point, and establish a principle of uniformity. It would be a dis-
grace to the country if, after incurring an expenee of 150,00 U.
for the regulation of the weights and measures, and having carried
on communications with Austria, Russia, and the Netherlands on
the subject, the system should be left incomplete.
Mr. WARBUR TON urged the necessity of hav-
ing some one settled and single measure.
Mr. CURWEN said a few words which were in-
audible in the gallery,
Mr. C. GRANT considered that greater practical
inconvenience would result from an attempt none to alter the ar-
rangement, than from the operation of the proposed system.
Lord ALTHORP conceived that uniformity in
the system was indispeasible.
After a few words from Mr. Monck, Mr. Bariusr,
Sir John
Sebright, and an Hon. Member under the gallery,
Mr. C. GRANT then brought up the Report.
On the question that the Report be then read,
Mr. C. GRANT made some observations on the Weights and
Measures.
Sir J. WROTTESLEY complained of the ine-
quality of the !standard of the Winchester bushel. If corn was
bought at 32 quarts the Winchester bushel in one place, at an-
other place it might he sold at SS, aed some places at 40 quarts.
A MEMBER, whose name we could not learn,
said, that the proposed duty of 20s. on the Winchester quarter
was less than 20s. if the imperial quarter were the standard. He
wished to take the average according to the Winchester bushel,
and would propose that measure should the House divide upon it.
Mr. 'WARBURTON made some observations
relative to the difference of the Imperial and Winchester bushel.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said that if this alteration was made, it would be necessary to make
a corresponding alteration in the whole graduated scale of duties.
The intention was this, that supposing the average price to be 60s.
the duty should be 20s. ; then, if an alteration should be made in
this, alterations must he made in the other. The Honourable
Gentleman, seeing that would be an inconvenience, recommends
the duty' to be 215., and the average 6.25. per quarter. He would
wish to know what was to be done in the next series, in order to
maintain the proportion. There would be la. and 1-32 d part of
a shilling. Much time would be lost before these calculations
could be made. For instance, should barley be raised to 335., and
thedutybe 125., then there would be a fraction of 1-32 d part of
a shilling. He only
wished that some one would show the House
a scale of this sort which could stand.
A MEMBER observed, that a duty of 20s. a
quarter, taking the imperial bushel as a standard, would be equal
to an a :average of 62, according to the difference of the two
measures.—(No, no.)
Lord J. RUSSELL did not see what great value
there was if this sum be 615., so as to give occasion to a frac-

tional difference. The House ought to compute according to the
new measures, which would give much less trouble throughout
the country in the calculation. It would be of much convenience
to the House, if Ministers would agree to reconsider the subject.
Mr. C. SMITH made some observations which did not reach
us in the gallery.
Sir G. CLERK said there would be no difficulty
in getting over the fractions, for they would be favourable to the
importer when the price was high, and against him when it was
low. This would be favourable to the home-grower.

Mr. C. GRANT said that the better way would be
to sanction the resolutions now, and next week to make the alte-
rations ; not much time would be lost by this mode, since it was
the feeling of the House that the alterations should be made.
Sir W. W. WYNN recommended the adoption of
the imperial measure as the standard.
Mr. C. GRANT moved that the Report be read.
Mr. D. GILBERT recommended that they should
report progress, and that the resolutions should he re•comnaitted.
The SPEAKER observed, that if the resolutions
were now passed, it would be too late to re-commit them.
On the question being put, that the resolutions should be re-
committed,
Mr. HUME wished to have an opportunity of say.
ing something on the principle of these laws.
The Report was then ordered to he re-committed on Monday
next.