The Sun.
London, England, 1816-06-13 00:00:00

ALGIERS,

Mr. BROUGHAM asked, whether, since our
'heat.), with Algiers, vesselsibearing the British
flag had been captured ?
Mr. 13:BATHURST said, that no official
intelli-
genre of that sort had been received.
Mr. BROUGHAM.--Is the Treaty with his Pira-
tical Majesty received ? • •
•
Mr. 134-14tuesr replied in-an inaudible tone.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he should move for its
production on Tuesway.
The American ships Bin went through the.
Committee;
TitrASZJIIER OF GREENWICH HOSPITAL.
Mrf CAtCRAPT, Ott rising to move for a new
Writ' for 4ochester, took a review of' the argil.
merits which had already • been urged for and
against the question of .the propriety of Sir Tito-
mas'Thomption holding his seat after accepting
the appointment, of Treasurer of Greenwich Hos.'
pital. in consequence of theclaims• of tite,Peti."
tiontrs of Itochester, he deemed it his duty to
take the sense of the House once trfOre on the.
sithjeci, The lion. Gentleman then contended,
that the cifiea which Sir Thomas Thompson hail
accepted was neither,a naval nor a military
poititinent, and therefore, in conforMity t(/ the
Act of Often Anne, he ought to have vacated his
seat. The question of the propriety of this vacation
wa,, hot in his opinion, met with mablineris by Ali-
tiister, Who bad got rid of it by eat tying the, pie-
\rtions question. He qUoted the precedent of Caj,t.
Baker, who, in, the year :173.6, vacated his stoat
in consequence of accepting this very appointment.
Why tben, het:lilted, shouldSir.Thomas Thomp-
son be suffered to retain his I It was a question
Which most materially affected the prerogative of
the Crown and the rights.of the' People, -pact Ids
retentijo of his seat was .defeating one oldie
sidntary Acts that ever were passed for se.
cut ing the just privilegessof the people. It was
not tieeetisity to say more.. He .sho,tild first. wore;
than Obe appoittttncnt of Treasurer of Greenwich
1 lospit al Way n9t un asppointment. in the Army or
Navy, ‘Vben this was decided in the affirmative,
*Wile trosted' it tutist.be,' he should move that a
new. wilt he issued for Rochester:
mr; PATHURST,said, the more direct way of
meeting the tweittioll would have been, to move
for time new Writ at once. There was no neces-
sity tatOWll for the House to accede to the Hon.
Gentleman's motion. They ought to exercise
their judgment on the construction of Acts of Par-
liament ; but he thought it could not he de.
pied, 'that Parlianient had firactiently decided,
though not by their votes, that the Governors
of Greenwich Cud Chelsea Hospitals were Mi.,
roar, Appointments ; and therefore, on the
Mlle principle, it 'was not outstretching the Act
to say, that this appointment was of the same na;.,
ture, and was certainly nut liable to the objec-
tions of the Honourable Gentleman. He stated
at some length, the duties' of Treasurer of Green.
wich Hospital, which„ he contended, made it as
spud) a military office as that of the Governor or
Master; which t%itS admitted to be one. He saw
uo distinction Whatever. Unless the House tin.
did )1 hat it bad already.done, it ought to abide.
by
_4, I<le concluded by moving the previous
question;.'

The House then divided on the original m 4•
tion—

Ayos
Nuei......
Majority in4liinst Ministers 1
Before' nor return to the Gallery, the new Writ
for Roeirtiter tile moved for and-ordered, iintidst
loud cheering from the Opposition Benches.
LOTI'EP.IES.
_ _. ....

LY LRrON, on rising to make his pro-
mised motion on this subject, descanted on the
great injury sustained by the public in various
ways. He did not flatter himself that his attempt
would succeed,_ as, when the financial ciremu-
stanc'esof the country were in a much better
condition than they were at present, similar ma-
tions had been rejected. But he was convinced,
that 'however indifferent the public mind might be
in,t now to the subject, he felt that the time was
not far distant when the whole systein would be
formally and entirely abandoned. As 'a financial
measure, a Lottery %vas an evil, because the ex-
pence of its collection, taken from the pockets-of
the people, amounted to as nmeti or more than
the revenue it pimineed. According to a paper
which be held in his hand, the whole annual pro-
once, on tiff average ut five years, amounted to
way -in which this was
colketcti, the public had to pay not less than a

million. The at'erage totinher of ticiteta issnal
under tine present Act, WAS 60,000 in a year, and
supposing only 40,000 of these to be sold, at 231.
At piece, there was a million obviously drawn
from the pockets of the people, for the put pose of
raising, 550,0001. to the State. Thus the levying
of this Tax was more immoderate than any other.
When ihe tickets did nut sell, and the principal
prizes wct,e 'voltam°, the Contractors raised the
price of the tickets to the untortionste dupes who
pu m rchased the, amid it generally always Iteppeti-
ed that they reimbursed themselves by the chalices'.
that remained' unsold; for the greatest prizes al-
most inevitably fell to iheir own lot. The alartr-
'ing practice of illegal,insurance, was., however, a.
still greater evil. The - laws ak,Slitst 'those who
engaged 'in it were unexampled in their severity;
Any cowmen informer might get into the cow-.
pany of Mint respectable individuals for a few mi-
*noes, itierth'en, by gOing to a Police-office, amid'
swearing. that he or she toiß; the parties engag- •
ed ill taking illegal insermicest time Magistrate was
bound, on the oath of such individual, to commit
016-person to prisMi for at 'least one month; and
there was no appeal, unless the person informed'
against. could, prove an alibi,. The Hot-towable
Gentleman descanted at Much length on these
evils, which arose entirely fl'ont the :State Lone=
ries, And -tndil only be put au end to by their
IMPreSSioil. That the practice of illegarin-
.surance had been much decreased under the
new Act he did not deity ; but an idea might.
.be formed of the present extent 'of it, when
it appeared from time pepers in. his hand,
'that in the year ,1814 no less than 116 ev.rsoims,
, had been convicted on time oaths of common in-
farMers, of being concerned in illegal inseraeces,
and 55 in 1815.- • [Here- the lion, Gentleman Acad
`the particulars.ofahtee cases of persons so con-.
victed, one of whom was a highly respectable
Clerk in the Etteise'Utlice, who leul suffered two
Months' imprieminient through time ninth of a wo-
man who came to his desk to ask him a frivolous
question, that she might have an opportunity of
committing perjury. (for which site was herself '
afterwards convicted), and getting the- penalty.--
This person was 'afterwards reinstated in his ()Thee;
by the Com Missioners, and his arrears ordered to
be paid him,' which the Honourable Gentleman
argued was a complete proof of his innocence.]
Another tax upon the public, he contended, was
',the salaries paid to persons under Govern-
ment connected with the Lottery; -told which
were, iii fact, so 11140 y sinecures. There were 'not.
less than tour persons who had 5001. a year each,
fiee-who bad 3501.';.ihundred and twenty -who:
11442001.; and twenty 'Under or General Com-
mrisioners, who had .3001. These General Commis-
simmers, had .only, to come. from the country, and
attend,about a fortnight for.each Lottery, ao that
they were, in tact, paid-for doingnothing ; while
the Whole' eipence'to Government iris not less
than between 15,0001. and 17„0001,A year. In
shori, time whole system was.one of delusion, and .
that.of the worst' sort, as it not only teadeatepes:,
of the poor, but raised the utmost severity of the
penal laws agaiuw them. He'aeas of oVitiibit the-
Lottery did not merely tern the gthutiling,
existed to account, het had a tendency to create
a great deal which otherwise would- nuebe
in the Coln WU uity . It WO tikgraCetni to the•iair •
fame ut Goveritmet'it, bruit to time common SCASC
of t hOSe Who engaged in it. If it .produced `
to
the Treastuy o Imodreil fold 'more' thee' it did,'
still he WouldOot gi,e' it his approbation ;
at present• he believed the Advantages nem ived
from' 'the State Lottery 'vvere rather
.nominal
than real. lie believed, in point' of fact,' all:
circomstauces fairly taken into consideration,
it, would be found instead of' being: gainers,
the Government were, in the end, losers, by it.--7"
Lie then referred to the Report of the Committee
of 1806', in which this mode of taxation was
strongly reprobated, and the profits arising froin
it described to be much smaller titan they at. first,
appeared. That. Report he could wish to-be re-.'
printed, and 'this .he had it in contemplation to
move in the next Session. He eoncluded„hy moviug
Resolutioes; which set, kortle:—‘. That by estab-
lishieg State lotteries, . the Governmenteneott
raged a spirit of **Milling among the people,
must injurious to public morals, amid ultimately
impaired the
,financial resourees:of the Comm-,
try; and the House therefore determined they
would not .301010 sucli a Made of failing any
p4rt of the Ways and Mesas of :the year, for the
time to come."

lir. RERNALID NIORLAND seconded the motion.'
The present period was,, in liia opiniOn, favour=
able ruts 'suppressing LOtteries, because'e had
got r.id or the War, tile expellees of which had,
been urged as the argument for continuing Lot!.
teries, notwithstanding the evils attending them
had been so fully exposed ; and the present
cellar of the Exchequer had been the author of,
the Act for suppressing that species of Lotteries'
called Little Goes, and he considered him as still
more strongly, bound to discontinue the Great
State Lottery, as prodncing tenfold mischief.—
`Lotteries had been the source of some very severe
penal lawa; and he thought it•extreme injustice
m aLegiSlatnre to create an inducement to crime,
and then inflict heavy punishment on those who
were thus led astray. it brought to his recollec-
tion whit Was said of arbitrary Governments by
a Noble Writer, namely, that they resemble the
Devil himself in many respecti, but particularly.
in this, that he i&, both the tempter and tormen-
tor-7—ht makes the criminal, and then-wishes
the crime. Ile dwelt upon the baneful effects.
which Lotteiies produced among the poor of the
Metropolis, who denied themselves and their t 4,7.,.
nulies the usnal portion .of subsistence while ,the
Lottrery is drawing, that *they might apply,their
savings to the .Lottery; and it appeared that
crimes' were intilliplied diving that period. tie
hoped the Hon. Gentleman would pursue this
subject withoUt intermission, and that, whatever.
might be .the fate of the'present motiourh; would
sooner ,or later be succi.'ssful .in, effecting hi*,,
object.

The CHANCELLOR of the FACIIRQUtift said, if
the proceeds of -State Lotteries were such ,us litid
been described by the Hail. Gentleman, there
would he no neceskity for the,present motion, as
the evil would clu inillc awin of itsell, 'file
tem, he was of opinion, Most be continued on the

grounds on which it bad bitkerto been nplirld,
It toOk ildv'etntivie of the spirit tor advent,iir iu-

4.
Lotteries which edited in, the country, but did
not create one, and he knew of no mode by
which 600,0001. could be raised with so little
pressure on the people. If the Honourable Gen-
tleman could propose any better mode of: curing our
financial maladies, he, (the
,chancellor of the Ux-
chetpier) woald be glad to adopt it instead of the
Lottery. To hint it did not appear that the charge
on'the Lottery Tickets, as 'sold to the public, at
all exceeded that reasonable'profit which the yen-
,tiors had .a right to demand. The principal
,evil
growing from Lotteries arose from the practice of
insuring, but these by the present arrangements
were Almost totally done.away, for he could not
conceive any -plausible scheme of Insurance to a
considerable extent that could be founded on the
peesent Lotteries, which would at all answer the
purpose of its projectors. The evils, therefore,'
which, had beet] 'described., and which existed
when the drawing of the Lottery
,lasted 42 (tar,
had almost ceased, from the course bitterly adopt-
edi The Of insuring thus suppressed, it
only remained to dispose of the Private Lot-
teries. 'The State Lottery be belieVed • greatly
tended to diminish•these; as it was found in the
absence of ,Priblic. Lotteries, they always *teas-
ed, and the Agents of Foreign LirtteryOtlices dis-
posed of great numbers of ticks: is in this country.
He defended the peovisions -made for punishitig
those who offended-the law by insuring, &c. and
contended, though cases. of hardship might in
some instances have occurred, tint they 'were nut
sirooger than were found to be necessary. He
did not feel those setions objections to the pur-
chasing .of shares which others thought they could
discover.,. He did not see that, it led to gautbliag,
nor conic! he think the evil of
,a.very serious cha-
racter. it the public should grow wise enough to
abstain front purchasing Lottery Shares alto.
poker, he should eertairdy rejoice in such an int-
proveaient in the morals of .the community ;. and
Ire sincerely wished the 11011,
persuade the people to deposit those sums which
they now expended on ventures in the Lottery in
Saving Banks,. This- could nut be.looked for itir•
MelliNtiely, -hut such a change might possibly be
worked in time by ;the progress of education, in
bonsequence of the numerous Benevolent establisbr,
mots which hail sprung up for instructing, the
poor. -He opposed the present motion; and ob-
serveil,:even. ,if it WAS carried, it:cordri notlake
effect in the course of the present year.
Sir ,`.3,.,13.05itt,tv, knowing the private virtues of
the Chatic,ellor of the F.-Xelt&pier, was surprised at
the levity with which lie had trotted this subject..
'lle (Sir S. ROmilly). Was of opinion, that
.when-
'e%:er i lonse.voted ri.,Lotter/,they voted, that
many, who were then deserving characters, should
beeortiF7tinprincipterl garriblers: This opinion he
_siipported try a reference to the Report of ISOS.
-He pointedly condemned those infamouse arts; by
which the industritiiii-nrechanick, the faithful'ser.
, emit, and the fai&otrifitis apprent ice, were hired to
speculate in
,the Lottery; to their destruction. The
Itight4fun:Geneleman-holseditrtitne_the,progress

4.4 -edneittjou woud. put ( lWw,ait
10.1 N n the evil. how
his
to.be expected ? The poor, from the instruction they
re'ceived, would learii to read those iNg,t`liceful puff's
whiclispfieitred Hll over `the town, and would

thus be,jicre Wiely to ,be deluded, He. thought
it most Injurious to the4tublie that five or six
;Lotteries o,icuild he strawt% in every year. Could
the Right flon Gentleman:l)o6'c the spirit of
gambling would exist to the same extent io the
country, which it now tli:l,"'if there were no Sta'ti
Lotteries? Would. fitreigii rot levies; or. little goes,
svread the sante s'nare- 4K/441e-unwary to which
tt,ey,were now exposer' ? Would these be tidrer-
tised at the,eorner.of every street'? Would it be
pusilible.to pass through no village in tbe,nation,
without seeing thAtiplacards posted to tempt the
thoughtless, by the hope of gaining prizes of
20 or 30,0001..?. „lle believed tbe great -increase
of crime which had been remarked of late years
was in :a•great measure caused .by,the.State Lot,
At the comtnencernent of the 141,sent
,thC convictions averaged tour hundred a-
year.. The number Kits now swelled to •1,400..
A very tew years ago they'did,nritexCeed:9oo.
Thi. be.believed ro proceed front the source he had
named. To the Lutterie; he attribitted that Fapid
-accumulation of crime, which, in a- few ' years
had increased the-namber of eonvictions. as five
to liturteen., lie could not agree with the`
chancellor of the Exchequer that the presini
mode of drawing the Lottery pre -vented insurin.
in the fast year there bad been 116 convictions,
ind.l37 prosecutions. If there vas a dcereasein
the number of convictions,
.he contended It could
not prove in this partictilar instztnce a correspond-
ing
.diminution of Crime. This he '.showed had
been .übly explained by the Committee of
The.crimes committed in conseiluenee of the es 7
lablighment -of State LOtterici, would, in his opi-
nion, be cheaply bought afar, GOO,OOO per annum.
Instead .of .doing this, we excited' these crimes to,
gain. the paltry sum he had mentioned. We ought
not thins to 'expose the, poor to temptation, , and
then punish them for falling into the snare.
WitantnFouch objected.,. to .Lotteries, as
tentling•to 'encourage direct gambling more thin'
any 'other eircumstance, whatever. fherecbdid
be no excuse. for aLottery, because it was in it-
self a. vicious transaction. -tended to the
struction of domestic happiness, by tempting die
subject' to deviate from those habits .olsober

rtries.

dusiry, which, persevered in could _not fail of
_briogint.their possessor comfort. • If it were now
proposed„ fur the first he waststire no Van
would he found to sup Oort it. tie anxiously hoped.
that an end would. be put...iojt now. The pro-
gressof. education, he feared, would not stop the
lip.eyen.feared this might augmentit. tie
thought •it wott, therefore fit that the temptation,
now held mit should no longer be, suffered to se
. -
duce the poor .leoai Vie Path of houest ihtiustry.
Ahoti never forget the,statement, once made
by the late 4lember for Bedford ot the cases, of
distress which had came to leis kno,Wjedge,
rnithig inflie Lottery. 11e.hoped the pericd WAS
not. far distant, when this part of our financial
system, would 'be done away, and that' t would
n,ot .agaio be in hie power of a Member of that-'
Ilouse to make; (soother statement like that to
whieb be, had referred.'

Locr.u4RT jivsctibefl the Lotteries to be
tlie,sonrce of inealcutuble mischief to tlie commu-
nity, jin t Jo the flight floQ. Gthnlemao op-
posite, ir Lis Saviiiit'gnk' could be of any t17,e,,

the poor were thus induced to gamble tarty
their savings.

LUSHINGTON opposed the motion.
Jr. AVilbetforce aud Mr. Lushington severally
Mr. BUTTERWORTH had recently had occasion
to know, that out of 22 convicts who . had 'corn-
pitted serious offences againg the laws of their
country, NI hail commenced their vicious courses
by gamblingqn the streets for small sums of mo-
ney. This spirit he consklered have been
iii a
great measure excited by the Lotteries. _
Lord COMPTON opposed the resolutions, as,, if
English Lotteries were put down, great numbers,
of Foreign Lottery Ticketi would be sold 'in this
country. ._.Much of the evil attendant on Lotteries'
arose from_ the puffing Advertisements published
respecting them ; and these might be in a gr!at:
measure `done away, if Government were to con .
tine the sale of them to one office, and thuspre"
yent.the present competition.
Air. W. SMITH reprobated the Lottery systetU
altogether, and supported the resolutions.
Mr. BARCLAY spoke to the same effect..
-Mr. LYTILETON replied, it appeared to bid s
that the•victims of Little Goes woe the disciples
of the public Lottery. Finding himself supported
by so many persons of the highest character, he
would certainly mrsist in his motion.
After a tew words from the Chancellor 01 the
Exchequer aud Mr. Lyttletnu, in way of C*ll.
planation, the Muse divided—

Ayes ,21
Noes . 47
....... ,
Majority against the motion...
IRISH GRAND SURIES.
On the question 'for the House going into
Committee on the Irish Grand Jury Bill, the
Chair. Sir F..Ft.000 o.pposed the Speaker lvving t"
Chair. He ccmlu not suffer this, or any other
opportunity of opposing this most extraordinary
Bill to'pass—a Bill which did no less than impute
to the Grand Juries of Ireland, that, front tioc
unittemorial, they had been all in the wrong. lje
considered it' as a Bill Without principle, and
therefore should ever oppose it.
-The House-then went into a Committee,
Lord, Ci.tSTLCREAGEI proposed $ clause, alloy('
it the written depositions taken before the Its",
gistrates to be sent up to Grand Juries, and fat'
titer allowing Grand Jurymen to be examined .(n
prosecutions for perjuries committed by witness"
before them..:
Upon thisclause some discussion, took pl4ce'
in, which Mr. Abercrotnbie, Mr. Alrebber, Sir ~
Newport, Mr. Ponsonby, Mr. Peel, Mr. Coate-
ney, Colonel Rat*, the SolicitOr-Generst,Sir
J.
Stewart, and, Mr: Horner (who:wished tian' tv
consider it), took a part., when it was Withdrawn.
Some verbal amendments were made, and the
Report was brought up. .
The Silver Coinage Bill Went through a C1)111.
mittee.
In a Committee of Ways and Means, the sure
of 3,000,0005. was ordered to be applied to the
service of Great Britain, and 1,800;0001. for 17;
•
laud. - The Resolutions were agreed to, 00
Report was brought up.
IV ash
The Bill for repealing certain Duties on
and Spirits was read a first time.--Second readigo
The Irish Yeomanry Bill was read
this day.. •
a ,ecoral
time, and committed for this day. ha
In a.Cominittee of Supply, the Estimate fo.rit"r:
diseMbOdied Militia was referred to the coollue.,.
talon Of the Committee. A sum of 150,0001•
voted -for defraying the-charges of the disellwam
died Altlitia •s and 100,0001. for Ireland. Rep°t,
this-day.—Atijourned at ONS O'CLOCK. " • ,

MEETING 4T THE MANSION-HOUSE•,.+.,

CHIMNEY-SWEEPERS.
Yesterday a' :very numerous and respeoB-
Meeting was held at the Mansion-house, far 1)*-
purpose of superseding the_neeessity of Climbing
boys, by encouraging a method of Sweeping Chita'
nies by Machinery, and for improving•the canu`
riot) of children, and others, at present employed:
by Chininey-sweepers. The LORD MAYOR took
The Chair at one o'clock, and havini stated the
object of the , meeting, he was followed by Mr.
Tooke, Secretary to the Institution already Ow,
Wished for the purpose in question, who detailed'
the ptugress they hail made; and forcibly pointed,
out the barriers that existed,to ingiedethe greo
object, of humanity they had in
.view, namely•
to rescue young end unprotected children from *
life of misery and wretchedness, that, us a do.
mestic.evil, was equal, if not more hateful, Oa*
the slave trade.

Sir F..Bitrdett, the Hon. Mr. Bennett, the lion'
Mr..D. Burrell, Mr. Wilberforce, Mr. Hall, 141*
Fry, Dr. Lmilingtou, Major Cartwright, 1%1r•
Roweruft, Nf. Bevan, and several others too'
part in the debate. . _

The rept esentationa of the Speakers as %reli°
I the Report of the Committee, disclosed tltl-
-
wretched situation of those who, at an infant age,
were devoted to this nikerAble life, and stitetit:
the Meeting the many and successful experiflel
that had been made of the mode not only (4 e.
•
tectnally sweeping, but of extinguishing firer la
chimnies. It was further stated, that upon t,
,i,,
eh,
Continent, with the exception of France, ti"
practice was scarcely known ; and that even in
Scotland,
nknown. t.
in- 99 eases out of 100, the practice 0.
the climbing.boy. was whollTu
. A master chimneyzsweeper combated, with tt
small ability, the objections of several of thti
speakers, though he dereeated the cruelty exe,
c m
lard by some members ,f the fraternity, obser
4ing, that in that as well as every other tt3r
there,lwere Bond and bad members. He wasb3r.
with much attention, avid concluded amidst grn'
gal testimonies of approbation.
Several ' Resolutions were afterwards pia aine'l
carried, recommending the use of the
and for the purp*ose of applying to Parliionel
tt
upon the subject in questioh.
Thanks being voted to the LOH INTayor and to
*Committee, a very liberal subscription was e
terecl into by the Ladies and Gentleman pre'ellt
and the Meeting dissolved.
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