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h.aturehe heitated,: but the Gentleman said he
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.%4ould he well paid,- and moreover be protected
e I liprinted them. One of them was on the sub,
jdect of the chairing- of Sir Francis Burdett, and
WesCribed the Baronet as' fit to conquer all the
World, and to rule it when conquered. It called
.°,4 Britons to 'strike not at all, or to strike home,
4T'd exhorted them to think of no alternative, but
,liberty or a glorious grave.• ile (Mr. Hume) had
'yesterday
wrtli been with a bill sticker, who hid been.
Franklin,.from twelve at night till four
file ulornins, •
Aatts engaged in posting these bills in all'
or the Anetropolis. The affidavit went on
'tat', that-the person making it had been' Pl em-
oy
ed by Franklin, in printing that pnrporting
Sir be a letter to the Jurymen, who were to try
Burdett at Leicester, and. from the' new's-
yal)ers he afterwards learned- that it had been
at Leicester.. He (Mr. II.) called on. the
thc'use to recollect the use made of this letter by
lue Government Prints, and to couple this
t:ith the refusal of the Foreign Office—(Cries of
no!"), or the home Office to pursue the •
endr. lie then resumed the reading of the
• ,41:fida.vit, which, set forth. an inflammatory haod-
_,u, ir that was printed:on
-the, occasion of one of
'"e Smithfield Meetings. Itnext detailed the
l'articulars of a placard about the Queen's Plate,.,
4,1 described the person employing him to have
.dei4esented himself to be officially employed; The
f eP°Hent also stated that he had traced Franklin
r-oll&Howlatid-street to Charing-crogs,and thence
f-
mug...street ; and thence, having waited
1r
two -hours, he had followed him to the.
rQatiase of Mr.. Denis O'Bryen.•' '(Mr. Hume)
another placard, headed " Evil be to him who
hYtd-711k5." One paper of considerable importance
'alien into his hands, in the handwriting of
heentehe,r. This Fletcher had some years ago
,tue defendant in a crim. con. action insti-
l) „t-,7,11Y Mr. Goodall. In that case a letter was
letter •te be in his hand-writing. With that
'co4,-er,r the paper which he had. found had been
elanr,,,red,' and; allowing. for the time which had
of cte'Ll it was his own opinion, as , it was that
haoti.°,i3rPe-setters (who were no bad judges Of
''-'411) -I.:yr-441g) 'that the two papers were in the
bill et-01-1-k'vriting He then read another hand-
objeet of which was to, set the mob
niiil,ll,ll.Y against the higher, but against the
read"ng claStes of society. Ile
_thought, having
the , these papers, he had, done enough to show
11,14'Ll'ichievous" tendency of the placards which
Par,o,",e,en 'sued. Ile, however, could not but corn-
siot of Government on former occa-
-414j with the course they had pursued onthisg;
kith (I°4lg, this, could not help charging them,
Ile 1 conniving at the escape of Fletcher.—
Nvii"gwever, understood", that on Wednesday,
hit". information `had been 'received respecting
that measures were readily. adopted for
aPPrehenSion. Perhaps he might yet be
• Lot-iti, lie might be.forthcorning in,a day!,
Op•-, ;"'I lie Was forthcoming,' he must retain his
• If State necessity were pleaded is an
sjce-Se, for what had recently occurred, he would
to w".'at object ought Government to have butt,
thePf.r°tect the many against the lawless acts o
fit.'et.W. If the Government were so relaxed
te"Y could not perform this duty, they were
cond".")r their places. When
she rerriembered the
ta—get of Ministers .to Castles, the well-clothed
111:ies
,; when he remembered that Lord Sid-
i!) had in' another place spoken .of
st cc as being a much-injured individual ; '
;ie remembered how,. Edwards had been
• to escape, though the Government had
fresh called upon to prevent it ; and when, on it
trig,
4'7d°ccasion, it appeared that they had con. -
jthe escape of another f
t0,11,11,-''„,`") he' thought he had sufficient ground
ferl"LY'hitn-in calling for Parliamentary inter-
try This, he-thought, was due to the coun-
'atc,-G... u due-t 0 iltalteS of those who had-been
4
zucl-ced in consequence of the machinations. of.
44 ;agents as he had just mentioned. In the
v4ll •",tance. he thonight it would be right to
Lotßobert Baker. before the House. It would
trat'. lie believed be the ,first time that a Magis-
for rad been "Called before the House to account
)'er.,-'s conduct. He did not see that any incoii-
itli.-4ce coulrarise from the course of proceed-
rolc,4,',l,(,l the House would feel the importance of
the public against such attempts to de-
e the, " o ~..
`y treasonable publications, and would
'tidiiv-,7refore do its duty if it did not call on the
4141 "al he had flurried to appear before them,
t°lu;(4l`,leavour tO,probe this business to the bot-
four: vf the placards, he had read but three or
1:()1411t of eighte,en or 'nineteen ,which had beers
lint 11°t• Wishing to trouble... the House More
move absolutely necessary. He would now
illiderkpOt at the same time he
,wished it to be
4ttai,;l"t(°d; that if. there was any better mode of
Rive 311. gthe object his motionshould inantediately
•
Thatt Sir
Nere Roliert P 10 e Office; tow-stieet, be
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'"ter'l • (us conduct with re-
1. et to ti ,tid the-House,' to explain cu
11:i4iliiilin.le4iiliberatiore. of a persou of the name of II
andas Fletcher, apprehended on the
ritin,-and seditious
."11"1"eYe haarngde-dbiiiisl,hand. nut fail to tatten-d.•
41('14°r(1 C.A.sTr.r.aEttor-uiald that after the speenh
tither ed &)hY the liona.nrable Gentleman 'he felt
cotlch, asurPrksed at'the Motion with which, he had
1,-ted' li•Was quite incommensurate to the.
Ar°by'-which •it ushered' iu.' Isis
per'posiiottwas.
to: examine, 'a- Magistrate for the
5p47.7 Of aSeertainin w`bether he had exercised
\vet discreti while his statements
1 It to on oi j,.
which
,rove that a conspiracy existed, to
Laic .
s Ministers were ,privy, since
NI, 3 to
11),Pcie of stirring
k3ePternber .of the:present yeac, for the
up rebellion, of preventing.
.11e dministration of justice, of disturbing
-;row.litt.sce of the. metropolis, -and degrading the
'Pon f The lion. Member had frequently,
I('red pe'rmer, occasions _drawn largely upon the
"ii" tit-ItY °I the House,' but lie never recollected
, _
th '"e drawn to so large an amount as he
"lbeis .4t night. Was there so great, i'llack 9f
1) 'lll4. "1 this countr such a scarcity of seditious
1V catiors
00l °°s; were the llones,. the Carliles, the
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11(41: aril other persons,of:that ascription,
-('llitiotoctful'of their' cailiUg, iti,senclikig , Ipyt.4
and blaspheinous publications; that

sufficient supply of this valuable conarnodity.-'
could not be procured without, the assistance
of Ministers ? Not only was Franklin said to
be employed by them in• this line of industry, he
was also received at their tables ; and if the
Hon. Member's statement was to be believed, the
same individual who one day dined with a Mini- •
ster was to be seen the day before in a coach with
a person who had scarcely clothes to cover him,
going down to the Houses of Parliament to give'
out hand-bills which could not fail, to provoke
arrest. Though he (Lord C.) knew the Hon.
.IVleinber to be, upon many occasions, the willing
instrument of credulity, he did not think that he
could be prevailed upon to stand up seriously in.
his place and make such a charge as this. If he
(Lord C.) conceived that there" was any indivi-
dual in the Government capable of fomenting such
,disorder, of being connected in any way with such.
base proceedings, so far from acting with him, he
would consign him to execration and contempt. It
would be an injustice.to say that the matter did not
merit the most serious consideration. The question
now was, whether the. motion proposed by the
IlOn. Member was the. best that could be adopted
for the purpose, of bringing the individual to punish-
ment. A warrant was granted for his apprehension,
and until it was executed that House had no bu-
siness rto interfere. Such a report as_ this might
be Circulated-against any man, and it would not
be at all inconsistent with the policy of those'who
were, called Radicals to circulate it, for the pur-
pose of screening themselves. They were ca-
pable. of engaging in so base a. conspiracy. It
was not at all inconsistent with the practice of
these degenerate times.. Allowing that there
was 'sufficient ground for the charge brought
against this individual, that he' was flagitious
enough to take part in such a conspiracy—a fa-
shiOnable word at present—(Hear ! from the
Opposition)-,.would it be wisdom on the part
of the House to interfere itt-a Matter that was
already the object of a judicial proCeeding ?
Would they take upon themselves to dis-
cuss any charge under such ,circumstances ?
It would be inconsistent with every principle of
justice and common sense. On Whafground were
they called upon. to go into this investigation?
On the affidavit-of a person, which shewed that
he was acquainted with it-since September, 1818.
How. was the House of Commons to deal with
the question ? Did the Him. Member suppose
that any person who since 1818 knew that such
nefarious proceedings were going on, and con-
cealed them all that time, would hesitate for his
own purposeS to take a false oath ? As to the
charge against Government of being connected
with, his matter, it was so full of improbability,
so grossly' absurd, that he would` not insult the
understanding of the Houie by entering upon it.
, A criminal proceeding was instituted against the
Andividual:—(No ! from some person on the Op-
position benches.)7-4 warrant .had been issued
for -his apprehension. " That surely' was not the
moment for the House to intetrOPT it was but
very lately that any thing. connected with this
,subject came to his (Lord C.'s)' knowledge, and
he was not aware before that day that it was to
occupy the attention .of Parliament. The first'
intimation he had of the charge was'from the publiC
Papers, and before he saw the name mentioned
there he was unacquainted with the existence of
such a person as Fletcher, Franklin, or Jones.
This declaration he made on the part of all his
colleagues, as well as of himself. Not one of
them ever spoke to this_person, with whom. they
were said to be on such friendly terms. This he
hoped would be a sufficient .negative to the con•
vivial part of the Hon. Gentleman's charge.—(A
laugh.)—With respect to the conduct of the
Magistrate, he could speak Only froin tht,', in-
formation communicated to him by the Noble
Lord at. the Head of the 'Herne Department.
He never, spoke to Sir Robert Baker, but, from
what he could learn', no person was more capable
of filling his situation. with 'propriety.' It should
be remembered that Franklin was arrested on
an affidavit sworn by Mr. Pearson, in which .he •
stated, that from the description given'by the boy
who circulated the bills, he believed Franklin to
be the person who so employed him. The placards
were however given by a man calling himself
Fletcher. ,The individual was carried before Mr.
Birnie.' He (Lord C.) had not seen Mr. Birnie to
inquire into the Matter, but he heard that a Mr.
Williams represented Franklin as being his.next
doOr neighbour, and that he would undertake
to haie him forthcoming. This not being agreed
to,, he was. brought before Sir Robert Baker,
at his own house in Bernard-street, oh a Sunday,
and pertnitted, to depart on the Vesponsibility, of
Mr. Williams. The Honourable Gentleman
(Mr. Hume) in his usual 'sanguine manner of
visiting upon GOvernment,- and tracing to their
connivance whatever was culpable in the con-
duct of Magistrates, marvelled how Sir Robert'
Baker under such circumstances could allow
him to depart. It should be remembered that
thii occurred on Sunday evening at five, and it
was not till Monday that the slightest intimation
of the thing was received at the Home Office. lt•
was communicated by Mr. Minshull, who came
to knoW whether steps could be taken to stop
this individual at the outports.. It was 'not, •
therefore, Mr. Pears'on who suggested this first
at the Home Ince. They 'had knowledge of it
from the Magistrate, who was anxious to prevent
any inconvenience that might arise. , The lion.,
Meinber, who was so severe in his observations on
the conduct of the Noble Lord at the head of
the Hotne Department, should-, recollect that it
was a serious thing to order a man to be stopped
at the outports.. TWenty•Mr. Franklins might
be thus detained in consequence, of some simila;
city hi the description of his person. The liberty
of the subject was not to be thus trifled with
:—(A laugh from some Me?nbers on the Opposi-
Benches.)—He would put it to the candour
of the Hon. Member (Mr. ffnme), and there.
was no "per Son, who, when a matter Wits thus
'itilhatitted to"him, more ready to make every fair
, concession, lie would put it to.his candour, if
these 'placards were" proved to have been issued
Tby..any of the apostles of liberty,"and that twenty,
persons, lyere arrestect at' the,outports' on suspl:-

'don, it would not be seiztd upon as ground for
a much more formidable motion than the present.
He (Lord C.) had the affidaVit on which Frank-
lin was arrested. Neither that or the warrant
contained a, word of treason or felony. There
was no direct charge of the kind. The words
were 'plied up in it, but the thing, as charged,
was certainly a bailable offence. lie had thought
it his duty to furnish Mr. Pearson with a letter
to the Ambassador at Paris, requesting him to
obtain all the weight and influence that Govern-
ment could contribute towards the apprehension
of Franklin. He could ,assure,the lion. Mem-
ber, that no one could be more earnest that the
individual might be speedily apprehended than
his Majesty's Ministers. He. wished to be un-
derstood, 'that he altogether denied, in the corn-
pletest manner, and in the most decisive terms,
to prevent the possibility of eqUivocation, and
without any mental reservation,-that either his
Majesty's Ministers, or any individuals, high
,or low, connected with his Majesty's Govern-.
ment, had any participation with the transac-
tion.. lie would suggest to the Tionourable

Member whether this-was the proper moment
to bring the subject before the House ? Would
it not be better to Wait a short thne, and see
whether the person complained of was not ap-
prehended—and whether. he was not likely to
be proceeded against in the due course of law ?
But if the Hon. Member -should after that find,
that no such inveStigation was likely to take
place, then he might make a motion.with, more
effect; and if these proceedings should. take
place, the Honourable Member would have a full
opportunity in the course of the evening to sa-
tisfy himself whether his Majesty's ,G overnmeut
had in any ways participated in the business. At
present. "the Hon. Member had not made out a
case, and it appeared to be an unfounded attempt
to put down the Qovernment. With this view
of the subject, he should give. the motion of the
Hon. Member a direct negative. The proper
place iii which.a complaint should be preferred'
against Sir R. Baker was in the Court of. Ring's
Bench.

Mr. G. BENNETT was surprized at the high tone
with which the Noble Lord hael met the motion
of his Hon. Friend. Instead of being anxious.
to have an opportunity of acquitting themselves
of grave charges made against Ministers, the
Noble Lord would 'stop the inquiry iii. limine,
and desire, that the 'investigation of this base con-
spiracy should- be left to the operation of the or,
dinary Courts of Law. But the-Noble Lordtould
not but be aware, that no proceedings could, be
taken in a Court of. Law against a Magistrate in the
circumstances in which Sir R. Baker-stood; If in
the King's Bench a criminal information was moved
for against him, it would, not be granted unless
the prosecutors were able to show not only
that his conduct Was improper, bfit also that his
motives were corrupt.--(liear.)--He'would rather
have Sir R. Baker to the Bar, and let him tell his
own story there. In reverting to 'the speech of
the Noble 'Lord; he would now take an-oppOrtu-
nity of saying, that there was one act done by him,
to which he (Mr. B.) 'took the 'strongest excep-
tion. That to which he' alluded was his having
furnished the messenger, not -only with a pass-
port, but also ith letter's of CredenCe to the Ali-
niSteri abroad, in order -to interest other Go-
vernments in the apprehension of this individual,
and that too not upon a charge of high .treason,
but .of one'Uf simple misdemeanour.—(llear !)-
-No-MagiStrate but the one -who had granted the
'warrant ought to have discharged-the prioper.
He asserted that, looking at the case altogether,
there appeared to him to be aprima faciq case of
corruption made.,out against ,the. Government.
looked with more distrust upon the:
' Home Office than any. .of. the: other 'Palle'
offices, for it did uotNme into Court with Clean
hands—it was an unclean office.—(A laugh.).
It was.not .improbable, that Government would:
have recourse to. sucth.means, for they knew lioW
it, would rally round them the timorous. 'Not....
withstanding the sneers Of ,the Noble Lord, he
thought Ministers ought to thank the. House for::.
the inquiry,
.if they were innoCeirt. It Was,,
however, no Way to show their innocence, by
shunning_ investigatibn.— (Hear 07—The lion.
Member concluded' by hoping,. his Hon. Friend-,
would press his question, assured as, he was that;.
the best way to remove the evil; vas to probe it
to the bottom, and measure its extent. ••.
iwr': CLIvE defended the conduct of the Herne
Office. 'The appliCationsthal had been made for
stopping Franklin by sending orders to the' ports
or to Ministers abroad, he' conceived to be con-.
trary to the rules of the Office, and had been ob--
liged to refuse, as the alleged offence had • only
been 'a misdemeanour.. He had never before heard
of the name 'of Franklin, though he had heard of
that Of 'O'Bryen.
Mr.' IL'GuaNEY thought the letter given to
Mr. Pearson, for our Ambassador at Paris, an
extraordinary proceeding. Should the different
Courts play in that way into each other's hands,
in the present state of Europe, it would be. a
great opening to tyranny. lie should vote, for the
motion. .

Lord CArrr,rar.Acu stated,-that any applica-
tion to .Foreign Powers must arise horn' particu-.
lar Treaties that had received the sauctimr of the
House. 'The Alien Act had no application to hie
present proceedings.
Mr. Ginn could not vote for the motion. The
walls of the metropolis were . covered with the
mast infamous placards, and it was the duty. of-
the Home Department to cause them to be takendown-
. •
Mc. BERNALL thought a satisfactory' inquiry
should be made into the whole proceedings ; and
was surprised, that no reward had been offered
by Government,; while, in the cam of the Glas-
gow. band-bill, a reward of 5001. had been of-
&red.
_The Court of King's Bench could not
inquire. into the conduct of Ministers. Should
the motion be rejected, a Sulect Committee ought
to be' appointed.
Sir J. SEBRI6IIT saw no good from calling Sir
R; Baker to the Bar.; and thought, that to•war.-
rant such a procedure., a much stronger 'case
should be mode out, lie latideuted the uripopd-

larity ofGovernment; but in the pre§efit state of
the public Mind, it would with difficulty he
satisfied With any Government: He must oppose
the Motion.

Mr. TicitNEY thought that the. Noble Lord
had treated the motion with a levity that was not
right. Out of ,doors there was a strong feeling
against tho Home Department; and .a belief that
agents were employed by Government to pro-,
inotomn a cplosion. It Was therefore the duty of
Ministers to meet such a charge as the present
with the solemnity due to its importance.
fc Mt. 13Ec'ETT corroborated the 'statement or
Mr. Clive. He knew no instance of. Government
interfering in such i.caSe as this was. When the
ends of juStice .Were likely to be defeated, it
came forward .with the King's pardon and a re-
ward ;' but here they were called to act instan-
ter, and the Secretary answered, ". Let me first
see if the ordinary modes fail before we interfere."
The Honourable Gentleman. spoke in the highest

terms of Sir R. Baker, whom he had kmisin
or 15 years, and held to be utterlyincapable of
doing any action from a corrupt motive. He op-i
posed the motion, as prejudging the case of the
Magistrates, and injuring them, before they ap-
peared at the bar of the, proper legal tribunal.
Mr. BROUGHAM expressed .a wish that the mo-
tion should be withdrawn till they saw if the
ordinary means of proceeding to obtain redress
were tried and failed. Not that he denied to

the House the power of. instituting. this inquiry,
but he thought it a function which ought only-,to
be exercised when no other means remained but
that of an inquiry conducted by the Grand In-
quest of the nation. .
Mr."CALvERT wished the motion to be with-
drawn. lie had' long known Sir R. Baker,and
knew him to be as incapable of 'falsehood as any
Gentleman in or out of that House.----(llear
Sir ItonmtVlVlLsoN inquired if 'Franklin was
taken, whether Government would prosecute him
or not ?

Lord CASTLEREAGH answered that was not in
his depaiten'ent; but he.hacl- no doubt his Noble
Friend would do every thing in his power to
bring him to justice.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL expressed his dissent
from the opinions of Sir John Sebright as to the
popular feeling in this nitry.. he people had
displayed the utmost patience and forbearance
under privations of every sort.
Lord CASTLEREAGH in \ited Mr. Hume to com-
municate with the Hoine Office:

"Mr. IlurrE shortly replied,. ,atidfinally with-
drew,his motion, first asi•eiting that:Sir R. Baker
had openly asserted he had taken bail, when, in
fact, he had not done co'. . •

BILL OF PAINS 'AND PENALT/ES.AD,JOUBNMENT.

,
BROGDEN brought„up the. Report of tne
t_onaniittee iippoinleia.tope. ),scf.lhe Lords' Jour-
nals • .•..• •
relative'to the BilL,,ofPain-S. and Penalties
penclingin that Hote .the' Queen: ,
Lard CASTLEREAGH Stated,sthaGit iliOnst meeting of
the House
.ht had thought IV
.forther-adjhfiVistnent might/
have. terminated.eit stone
.day,bi,t.'3o-,tt: the-atls and 10th of
November. But from the State' of_tbe.rraceedings its the
other House it was...hi,s intettkion tourer That this House
d 0 adjOurtiiii Tliursdae•tho:23d'ofiNoventber, and to he call-
ed user oit that o.ly. Sltoottfthg. Pro:ceelings still go on at
Om time
riu the Loyds; the-Cult of :The (louse might be sus-
pended,
, Sir G. NOEL thought the periud 0r .rxdi,,i,,,nent much too
long; and should move, thlstte trOnse ,at'its rising should
adjourn. ill to-thorrow...
Mr. TtERNEY also thought the -adjournment too !Ong,
though he could not support the aineuelosent of the Honour-
.able Baronet. lie could not seegow the adjo-nroment should
.be longer uow.than when the prescoedings: first commenced
in the other House. The Lords must bc.now-advancingto a
conclusion,ee,,hg
a it though that
Noble Lord
ELlourtids ‘tyintl*i.inua,!stet;l:rpidi
tlt,Lit.l7
Icy ptrio,
the
course of proceeding proposed.. to be. adopted,that House was
-made entirely snbservient to the lIOUSe of lords. Shou!d
,the proceedings to the other Halm ol4sse in ,a week, was the
Queen to be kept in a state of 4nspenct,—Meor !)—A great
indignation prevailed in. the public mind•at ,the conduct of
"Ministers, who were clearly responsible for what they bad
. done, unless they made out a strong cast-against the Quien.
7-.(Hear!)—Should that not be doutOspth the Queen was
'insulted, and the King betrayed.. The .stthject of the Milan
Commission must come before the flor*,.,Xlsough Ministers
,wished to be supposed to have no etits.w.c.Lion with it. Be
thought. a fortnight. was. long, enough far,,sttgl House to ad-
.juurn. 'There, was much. pubic businesa*.titre them, as on
account of this unfortunate. affair, theAu.s.t.s,ession bad, as to
.public business, been- almost a blank. Front this motion the
Noble Lord seemed to think the farther:the -Lords advanced
the more they were behind.—(.l laugh.)
Lard,CASI'LEBKAGH said,,
.that the. illAt Hon. Gentle-
-Min and hinsseff seemed to proceed'on the same data. That
Right Hon.tientlinisinhad hitherto. one along with him as
to the adjournment of die Hon'se.,-71-VrieUSon fur proposing
loner day was, that•i,ii-tiAtyr•Nl:tiniMitiird to a simple
adjournment, but now than adjourniiielit "wis final. There
was no prospect that in the course of -'it'fattlight the investi-
gation would- be termihisted in the other fliiitse; it would at
4fit4i4st:oieupY. three week%, :and att.tre end of that time
no.appeatance -of a...fis)l,--Itouse ; hut by the
prOposeil Arnim..Toon, a fake, oistic't%vroojd he_ given., that the
subject wauld:coute before the nouse.„4ol,-thus.a full attend-
ance-W(OO4We OCtire .
' Me.ligiti\trthouglit that the itfitirtion in the other
House might. -terunnate in three weett3,;-0011 thus Members
WOUld have t.o wait only:a.fvw beforsthehusiness should
cinniuence.. in flint House. In the' anetLe•Use-,' they. would. he
detained in town at Chri'stnias. Tile.DßVinost occupy much
time—{A Member,called out nine years.J.--,The call of the
House Might 'be'Ossed }yee:l4 fronrr the preseutday.
-1-iut`Pethops it •wai the Meaning-Of -tlinqoble Lord that t
1-14nse should not nieet...tilt • alter clitiktnsus.-. He wished for
the.opinion of other Nleinbers on 11)e. subject.
Sie W. DE 'CRESPIUNY fitiped the Viii"ness would be
abandoned. in toto. •

Mr. Cp. EEVEY trusted he question w9ilid never come be-
fore the I-Isise, which
.was ttte onLy,pnbli,c body that seemed
insensible to the subjeet.. appeaill :that the House must
learn the law from the Petiturris prrieMed,to it. The trial.
it trial it could he cord, -had I.ilrenrs. different turn in the
last tWii days;
,it k.censtd now to be a trial of the Government
fora conspiritcY.—(Fltar,-liear.!)-=-Fr'ornieyty Bills of Pains
and Penattleharl beerl.irstroduced ip.:(lsire'pe•of rival claims
bilk, Crown.; but now be believed thor.ei Was only one man
in the conntrr who was iii'favtiiir:of the7tilt. Aduitei Y was
aicriuse•hv, the law of: tho ;:it-N;?t,c,tftriilv a civil injury.
&Bill bad heist once.iBti(4l:iiced.,to riocji.f4jultery a crime,
but that
.Bill bad been rejected.- • To_ irs,e.the words of Lord
oigliy, in the case of Lind .ititiffeed;iiiinstirteltati been set on
adultery hyithe 'law :0 L the Itei;i:Would be no party
to alt ex poolfurt? .A11.11.1e • Xisri-Ali evidence was its
favottr of Queen ;, and that her 41)slilct. rasin no degree
degrading to the 'country. Hy ih. letter Rine, she had
het strrned out 'of. his houto,•,,aotli-qu... eliittsYttbe guilty of no
violation:of her duly to bias. ti11,4.4.0.iu1t.7 consent to try
the Queeti in stiff t an
Mr. TIERNEY would fli.A.ssittiijacirctlisr4iliiin the case, of
which-he +lf n&bl 461.3
. Mr. sK,AftsLETipfe.cissld never chirsM.:44.•it pass a Bill of
T'ains and Totalties. _Were lie,connsulforiiArroseCuti"" 10 4
private case, he concel‘'ed he stotuld trust, if he in-
terposed-an,/ 4eelinicill difficulties niaTit'Strsoly evidence in fa-
vour of the accused. Shoptd ikiwn in that way
'604, (j,e other nonse,,it would be uslisg,Hce to the Commons
-to reeeiv'e it: If it was' i•lifenited to tfabraft that was verse-
.l able in the country Into' cO-titrEmfif:, ii.4lhie: effectual mode
could ,pot bate heol devised t tnyt 41..titipelrtl,eti by the au-
thors or this Bill. At..t slimy q é must deprecate
theilittnefeterivicuritte-ificielliirtnie'iif tlfe King, as if he were
, e•-a ottroclui -, Nta• 13i.t1<vt''ini,tr:rnosuke of Ministers,
and they front Lord
Castleieaih.iikAcvmuit protesto 'agiiint, fejutical ub
• . •

being brought .forWattl. to interrnpt an important inquiry ;
hut on the subject of the litlLhr.lrad Interned no opinion. •
Mr. COURTENAY said, that certain reports, of a most de-
grading. hature, hail cone abroad with respect 'to the Quern.
—(Much noise hoc the 4 apposition Benches.)-11Gentlemen
Kill only tear one side of the question, then there was an end
to all free discussion. Was it Jon proper that those'reports
should he,investigatrd„ and their-truth or 'falsehood he ascer-
tained? Much unfounded abuse bad been thrown upon what •
was called the Milan tom ; and Government was called
upsth to bring the que,Stion to an isSM:, and not to leave it in
n state of uncertainty., He In:tiered that latterly the tide of •
popular opinion had been much 'llar,igetl on the suhject.of the.
Dill—(Much laughter from the Opposition Benches)—and the
country would see the inquiry was'necessary.
Mt. CALCRAF said, that the popular felling was, that
no such inquiry
.shoold have taLen place. brunt the letter
to the Queen a h. n Itrincris of Wales, it was understood that
Ito advantage woilla he usher against her. 'the advice given
by Min-islets to vl/4;itch hey conduct was the worst they could
bare given to 'their Sovereign: The House of Lords used
to be regal de%t as the Court of last ream t, but now, there
was to be HO appeal frolli.thelll to 668..10dg-es, among whom
e,ere the paid advocatn a -who had pleaded at the liar of the
other flotte• The real eau,e of the. BM was, the amltiiion
of one man to become a Chancellor, and of - another to re-
talp his.place.. It was for a long time beli,:rttl the Queen..
woold uot curare orcr, and at last one of the Ministers said, in
• art evil horir—if she sorrel the prieedongs ,ball commence.
scar-of opinion that the Noble Lord kneW the. 13tH would
not oome down to that :louse, and that the-long adjourn-
h,ent .was for the purpose of quieting the pilblit
mind --
(I,rar, bent I), • '
The CH ANCELI,O'?..of the EXCHEQUER pronounced a
high encominztt on the, Loud Chancellor, .whom he c"ncEiv"
- to bc'alluded to by the last speatier ;' li.edetended the proposed
ar?jrteriia ;on the. ground that no other bitines:,,- would be
retied to tlll.tbe Bill A Pains and Pen'aities should be dis-
vs,d of.'
rot;I:ES-MNE e-xprees.sed hitnSelf touch gratified that
the -debate had trot been e.oinlied to the bare qwestrou of ad-
journment. tutelar alight be the evidence, he should give
thC.Bill all th.• opposition tit Ins I,,,ver. The fa:teen should
not bicve bern'allow.ed tp leave the emiotry. • - • .

CALCit AF-C, itt ettplAnati,ot, saki ttaaJ be believed the
Nob:e Lord too to hr bont,t to 'llse back t'One• He
hod, svi‘tra of hint, not in his but hip I,.olitical
PirfActer.

Mr. l'Ol.F. et.served, th!'s the thee. had.not arrived tor
the [louse to give an ottioi,oo.on the merits of the lu 11. He.
was nut surprised at the Eine of argusueot taken by Gelitlemen
cptiosite, as the last Sprat:et- declared hiS intention, at
at ereuts, wlietliser in the ease of guilt or intiocaffei., to op.:
tense tiled3lll. He thought it More Consonant to justice to
argue the point of adjournment, than to argue the case which
Ministers bad fo bring forward, without knowittg what that
cese was. lie was ,ifopitiiim that the Ministers would not have
acted tike honest Men and Englishmen, if they had net acted
as they had. He could not help thinking that the description
eiven, by an Floss. Litlitlentajt of the Lout Chancellor was such,
WlPle praising him, as' would, if true, p4eent, any Gentle-
ewer, freina sittiog in company with him. Theri• was a system
en the opposite side of the-House tm vilify his, Majesty's
tie should give no' objection as to the main ques-
t/of', but Itc always thought Bills of Divorce should originate
in the House of I:att ds. When tt came before that House he
borrd it would he thoroughly investigated and impiired into.
Mr. F-1011VOUNE wished to know -from the Noble Lord at
twee head of.the Foreign Office whether any orders had been
prevent.the issue of more passports to facilitate. the
r7nooval of wittiesses who have deposed against the Queen. It
wits not satisfactory to the people of England that the Prime
MiniSter.shOuld give his lontour that he had no knowledge of
it.rstelli's departure. As it .bad come to his knowledge that
enc.: of.the witnesses again 4 the Quern bad'denosed to a di •
rim's falsehood, it was his wish 04 the Noble Lord opposite
woold.gice his word that no uiore passports should be issued
to coallte the witnesses against the Queen to quit the coun-
try. This was 'not a trial of the Queen, but of Ministers, at
the Bacot the Country: and Gud grant them a good deli.
verance. ,
Mr, P. MORE considered these proceedings as a Consul-
' racy-against the Queen, which the Country thought Mir,; • is
were at the bottom Of.
Mt. CREEVEY said, that he would never consent that the
ex.pence of the proceedings should he paid by the people of
England.

The Amendment was then negatived: and the House Ad-
jwirned till the 43d of Noveruher, when it was Ordered to be
called
HOBHOUSE repeated his quest ion ,whether the Noble
Lord would undertaker that no more
.passports should he
grant-ud to the witovsses,agaitto her M isjest v.
Lord CASTLEItEAG/I'said, he wou'd unaertalie on his own
responiihdity that no- more,socb passport.; should he granted.
No one regtetted Mute [Lein he did the withdrawing of one of
Iritnecses.—Adionvied at 1 CO O'CIOCL