Star.
London, England, 1830-03-27 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

the place In question ; and be (Mr. Protheroe) hoped it would
be made, as the idea of having a fountain there was given over,
and there was ample space. lie wished to sec a carriage way from
the terrace.
After a few words from Mr. BYSO, the report was referred back
to the committee.

HOUSE OF LORDS—FRIDAY.
The private Bills on the table were advanced one stage, some be-
ing read a third time and mooed. others a second time.
RUBBLE COMPANIES.
'the Earl of ROSSIXN gave notice that Monday next he should
rubmit a remelt' to the house, to amend the standing order No. 310.
which had been proposed by a noh'e lord (the Earl of Lauderdale)
it a for•usr ~l'. ion c parliament, and with a view of preventing the
icr.o.it:..t‘ a !,iitilde companies. lit the exceptions to the operation
at that ens, r. the wards " quays, landing-places, and markets," had
CHINA TRADE.
been n.,»inetl. The motion of the noble earl, it is understood, has
refereeee to thin o.:iission. Mr LITTLETON had three petitions to present praying for
Sir .e. GRANT and *there brought up a copy of the evidence taken free trade with China. The first was front the Chamber of Com-
i.) the committee of the House of Commons on the East Retford dis. nterce of the manufacturers of the Staffordshire potteries. The be.
franehirietneet bill. The hon. bare with other members, likewise cond from the manufacturers of Burslem, in the same county ; and
eireterst up a copy of the report of the select committee appointed by the third from the inhebitants of Bilston, a town containing two
she Heuer of Commone, to take into consideration the 18th report hundred thousand inhabitants engaged in the iron and ;society
rat' the eom:nissioneni fur inquiring into the judicial proceedings in tiedes.—The petitions were severally read, and ordered to be
'relate!. together with the depositions of Sir Jonah Barrington, printed.
.Intige of the Admiralty Court, and other papers communicated by Tile Marquis of BLANDFORD presented a pctition from the
him to them. agriculturists of Dalton (we believe) in the county of Suffolk, corm
Sir 1. (Jamie and others likewise brought up the indemnity pleining of &Arms, amid praying a reduction of taxation.—Ordered
bill ' to be printed.
herd AI.THOMP, Lord STANLEY, 10141 WILLIAM POWLETT, Mr. DUtiDA LE, in presenting a petition from Alcesta. took
and other members of the Commons, brought up three private the opportunity of explaining a misrepresentation which had ap-
(.nad) bills. pared in the papers!, in tegatd to what fell front him on the pre-
These bills were severally read a first time. ceding night, on the presentation of a petition front the gun-makers
nes r RETFORD DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. of Birmingham. What, he said was, that as he believed govern-
The Ilarquis of SALISBURY (after moving that the evidence mcnt, at the present time, possessed one miliiun stand of arms, he
Mr. Dugdale) saw no necessity for the continuance of the govern-
Lee on their lordships' table, taken before the Committee of the (
[lease of Comatone, on the East Retford Disfranchittemenf Bill be 'cent manufactory for fire arms. The contrary of this had been
printed) gars notice that on the 26th of April he should move the stated, and he was desirous of correcting it. The hon. member
second reading of the bill. Ile had named so distant a day, that then presented the petition, which complained of distress, and
their lordships might in the interim make themselves acquainted prayed the reduction of the malt tax.---Referred to committee,
weh the evidence.--lords to be summoned. Mr. HUME moved that certain returns previously moved fer re-
specting the Insolvent Debtors' Court be printed.—Ordered.
tete' lil NG presented a petition from Bridport, Dorsetshire,
n; 1;1.4 the riiiiminent of death for forgery. Sir J. NEWPORT moved for an account of the sum of 4,302/.25.
I, ea Kt N'L —My lords, I hold in my hand a petition from an received by the officers of the First Fruits Office in Ireland, and
Anti-Bre al Tax Association, of Kidderminster, against the corn also for a return of the sums of money received and paid by them
I &we I cannot forbear remarking that the petitioners tether ex- for the last ten years.—Ordered.
..egerete the injury they receive from the operation of the corn laws, Sir J. NEWPORT also moved for a return of the quantity o
as ..'a 'y state the annual amount of the tax levied on the consumer butter exported from Ireland during the years 1827, 1818, and
: ee 106,000,0001.—(a laugh.) The petition was then read and 1829, stating the ports at which it was Imported in this and other
I eat on the table. countries.—Ordeted.
The Far' of LI illlelt ICK presented a petition from a beneficed Mr. SADLER withdrew a notice of motion respecting the law of
clergyman of the charen of England, living at Great Paxton, pray- libel, until after Easter.
ing the removal of all disabilities under which the Jews labour on Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a petition from the hop.
account of their religious opinions. growers of llawkhurst, for the removal of the duty on heps.—Or-
FOREIGN FLOUR. dered to be printed.
The Earl of iIIALSIESBURY said he had a petition to present to The Hox. MEMBER presented a similar petition from the hop.
their lordships of a similar tendency to that which he had the honour growers of the Weald of Kent
of presetaieg last ye w from the flour manufacturers in the neighbour- Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition from the inhabitants of
hood of the metropolis against the introduction of'foreign flour.• The Chalford, in Gloucestershire, against the truck system.
petitioners stated- it was not his own argument—that they could not Mr. HU3IE wished to see all the laws on this subject repealed,
compete with the sellers of foreign flour. When wheat was 725. a so that the master and man might be left free to enter into such
quarter, the duty was then Is. per quarter; whilst the duty on foreign agreements as they thought fit, with a speedy appeal in case of
flour, per barrel, was only ed. The statement was well worth their breach of contract. Ile (Mr. Huine) thought the hon. baronet
lordships attentioe. He wished to take that opportunity of stating would agree with him in opinion, when he heard the arguments
which would be adduced on the motion which stood for discussion
what the pendent:is did not pray for, understanding that a body of
men, English millers, had petitioned another branch of the legisla. on this question, when it came under consideration.
tore to be allowed in grind the corn in bond for exportation, alleging The petition was read and laid on the table.
that the profits arisitie from the offal, to which they would become Mr. HUillE presented the petition of a society established at
entitled, were considateble ; and, moreover, their machinery would Kidderminster, and denominating itself the Anti-Bread-Tax Asso.
be thereby kept in itiolion. He sincerely hoped that such a regula. ciation, Number I—(a laugh), against the corn laws; and the hon.
member, for the benefit of the county members, noosed it should be
lion would never be allowed, Hs it would afford an opportunity of
collusion and fraud in every shape. This, indeed, bad been found printed —Ordered.
to be the case, for the experiment bad been made at Liverpool with Alt. W ESTERN presented a petition from certain malsters at
the corn there in bond, which led to the practice of many frauds. Saffron Walden, in Essex, praying the legislature would allow those
Ile trusted that his majesty's ministers would not be induced to who had large stocks of beer, as publicans and others had to give
listen to any such suggestion as the petitioners to whom he had jute satisfactory security to government for the payment of the duties
alluded had thrown out; and that the foreign rum in bond would thereon, so as to prepare them for the change meditated in thc beer
vat be permitted to be drawn out, and ground into ROUT, under the trade on the 10th of Octo
ber.
pretence that it was intended for exportation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was not
The petition was then read, and laid on the table. as yet prepared to give any assurance to the hon. member on this
The Earl of RADNOR presented two petitions from Denbigh, subject. It certainly was not the Intention of government too ppress
and another place, complaining of distress and taxation. the trade, or raise obstacles, so that the hon. member might with
The Earl of CARNARVON presented a similar petition front confidence calculate that every facility consistent with the attainment
a parish in Kent- of the main object government hat in view would be granted to all
classes making out a fair claim for' indulgence or consideration,
Earl STANHOPE presented a petition from the fishermen of
prior to the introduction or passing of the bills which he intended to
Stainesby and other parishes in the North Riding of Yorkshire,
praying the continuation of bounties. bring in relative to the beer duties and the trade therein,
Muskett's Divorce Bill passed through a committee.—To be read FOUR PEI CENTIL
third time on Monday. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Exctioneen the
The Marriage Validating Bill was reported, and ordered to house went into a committee on the four per cent. annuity acts.
be engrossed with one amendment, proposed by the Bishop of The CHANCe.LLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the subject
London. he was about to bring under the consideration of the house was one
An amendment to one of the classes was proposed by Lord of great importance, and calculated, as he confidently hoped, to en.
HOLLAND, but negreived without a division. feet a considerable saving to the public. Since the time that Mr.
Adjourned at a quarter to six, to Monday. Pelham first proposed a reduction of the public debt, it had been
always admitted that it was the duty of government to take
HOUSE OF COro3s--FRIDA Y. every fair opportunity that presented itself for reducing the fate-
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. rest of the debt. The principle was admitted by Mr. Pitt, and
NEW HAYMARKET REMOVAL BILL. though in consequence of the war, he was prevented from car.
Lord LOWTHER brought up the report of the committee on the tying it into effect, he always kept the principle in view. Since the
bill for removing the market for the sale of hay to Clarence Market, termination of the war the burdens of the country had been lightened
Regent's-park. by operations of this kind to the amount of 2,000,0001. The rate
of interest in this country was now such as to give a probability,
Mr. BYNCir objected to the proposed removal of the market as
highly injurious to many of his constituents, who ,were farmers, and he might indeed have said a certainty, of reducing the four per
who would have to convey their hay to market, an additional die- cents. In the public funds, the rate of interest at present was
Lance of five or six miles by the proposed alteration. He calculated below this ; and, if they looked to the interest paid on mon.,
that it would require live or six hundred additional horses to be em. gaffs, they would and It not higher than four per cent, and in
ployed by the hay dealers or tanners ; another inconvenience was 80170 e instances, as low as three and a half. Seeing therefore
the distance from Westminster, where the carters, after discharging that a higher interest could not be obtained than under the con.
their loads of hay, were in the habit of proceeding to fill them with version be should propose, it became the duty of Government to
dung, as a return load. 'He did not see there was any material in- bring this measure forward, and of the house to sanction it....
convenience arising from the situation of the present market, and its The terms he proposed were these : for every 1001. four per cods.
removal must prove very injurious to the property of many indivi. to give to the holdrr 1001. three and a half per cents. But as the
duals in that vicinity. three and a half per cents. were now at 995, exclusive of the diet.
Lord LOWTHER considered that the objections made by some dead, it became advisable, in consideration of this difference, to
glue assurance to those who should accept the new stock that
of the hon. member's constituents as being far from general. In the n
whole number of the inhabitants of the Haymarket, there were only no reduction would take place for ten years. He might be
six persons wino objected to its removal, and those were publicans, asked why he extended the period of this assurance so much be.
ond
who materially felt the change would be injurious to them by the y that given in 1824 ? The first reason was, that the ca-
consequent lose of the cut tom of the persons frequenting the pital they had now to deal with was double that proposed to be re.
market. But a general and public nuisance was not to be longer en. deemed in 1824; and he conceived that by holding out an assurance,
extending to a period of ten years, there would be less difficulty
(lured because it proved lucrative to a few individuals. If such ob-
in effecting the conversion, and they would have less 4 per cents. to
jections were listened to,,it would put a stop to all improvement of
.
ti:e metropolis. The present market was an obstruction of the pay off to dissentients There could be no difficulty in paying off
public highway, and considered a nuisance by the immediate neigh. dissentients, unless what might by possibility arise from future finan-
cial operations. To dissentients be proposed to give the option of ac.
boars, who had a just right to complain. He (Lord Loa-Uter
would wish to ask the hon. member for Middlesex how he would cepting 701. in a new 6 per cent. stock for every 1001. 4 per cents.
feel if the market carts were removed to St. James's-square, and not payable until 43 years after the creation of the stock. Some
doubts were entertained whether there would be a willingness to
stand in front of his mansion, where the ground was equally as
accept of 701. in a 51. per cent. stock, from the reluctance many per.
spacious as in the Haymarket? With respect to the increased dia-
. twice to the new market, the hon. member had much over-rated it, soot felt to reduce the nominal amount of their capital. It must be
recollected, however, that a large proportion of the 4 per cents.
in saying it would amount to five or six miles. if he would only
look at Sheffield, Birmingham, and other large towns, Where new were held in trust for periods of long duration. Perhapstwo-fifths
markets had been made, he would perceive that they had invariabl/ of the whole of the 4 per cent. stock was in the hands of trusteesand
been removed from the centre to the outskirts of the town. So t guardians. Some of the stock thus in the hands of trustees ant
was proposed in the present instance, not at an increased distance of guardians was payable to intermediate parties, though ultimately to
five or six miles, but a distance of one mile and a half from the or. revert to other parties, after the lapse of different periods, some of
dinary parts of the metropolis. considerable duration. It' this option, therefore were not given,
The SPEAKER wished to make one observation. On looking trustees might have the power of increasing the income of these in-
at the terms of the report, he found it stated that the standing orders ghee patties, with a diminution of interest to those to whom
had been complied with, and counsel heard in support of the bill, the property was ultimately to come. From calculations made by
• but it omitted to state one important thing, which, by the rules of Pena* mote competent than himself, it appeared that 70/. in a five
• dist house, waanecessary to be stated in every report, and upon per cent. stock, not payable for forty-three years, was as nearly as
which the committee were considered to act, viz. " That the corn. Possible equal to 1001. in a three and a half per cent. stock, payable
mittee had examined witnesses on the.allegations of the bill, and . to tot year& it would be attended with inconveniences if the
- . found the same to be true." This:was an omission that requited conversion now proposed were made In a throe per cent. stock. It
• the report should be referred back to the committee. would shut out the more near 'inspect of a reduction psi three per
• Mr. BYNO observed that the promoters of the bill had brought out. stock, and they would obtain only the trifling Ahentags of
no evidence fors and in support of it. thzeeshillings Pei cent., in place of ten shillings, when the present
Mr. HOBHOUSE agreed with the hon. member for Middlesex stock would be reducible. It would not be necessary for him to
that the removal of the market would prove greatly injurious to the enter into any further observations, and he should be prepared 10
property of many individuals. Thls„ltOwever, was,unfortunately, answer any queotton that might be put. By this conversion,
• the case in almost all plans for improvement of the metropol6. 778,0001. would be saved in the course of next year. As circutn-
stances admitted of it, It would be unjust to the public not to pro-
" Whilst upon the subject of these 'alterations, he (Mr. Hobhouse)
- ' Would give notice to the noble lordiLord Lowther) that it was his pose it, and ungrateful to the House of Commons, to whose firm-
' intention to draw-the attention of the house, at the earliest opportu. DIOS and consistency in maintaining the public• faith it was owing
'• • nity, to the subject of stopping tip the passage from the terrace that the state of the funds and of public agent was' now such as
newly erected on the side of St. Jimes%park,, leading to Waterloo. enabled the Government to propose this operation.
• place.,--(Hear hear.)—.This subject had excited a strong feeling, The Roohttions having been put front the Chair,
• sot only as regarded several membent'of that house, butt he public Mr. BERNAL said be heard with great pleasure the explanation
of his right hon. friends He was desirous to know how the dissen-
genteelly, who considered the stoppage of .;hat possum as a breach
of faith on the pared government,'whci had pledtrea itself to the tienta were to be paid off, whether in Exchequer bills, as before, or
formation of Otis con4ttnient entrance' ;tbi park. Ile was not then by what other means ?
• ' prepared to say in what form he I 'bring forward the subject, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it would be'
ril
but he pat the noble lent Dottie • iojeution of bringing the "
Inexpedient at PM." 6° eve - • direct answer. He should at some
• subject, with as little delay as yentible; fully and fairly before that future period recommendto the House to deal with ths dissentients',
. bouse.—aleas, taw.) . - ' . . in the way which he toneldersd best suited to the public interests,
" Mr. Hums owsidered that %bit parernment stood pledged to and to the tomcats of the dissentients thsthselves. When their
• ream an entrance for fsot et.the place alluded to. The' number could be ascertained, be-would than be able to answer the
house bad voted Ipso sums
_Nil pale= and the improve- question more directly.
• ow„t of the pinks, oassiEmO.tie . polite were to. be deprived of this ThcCHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER In answer said,
- little indulgence to the tie, feelings of a few indivi. •the party abided to by *boa. member would be paid off by 7,000 L
r
~.... dog, He bored the ber.for Westminster (Mr. Hob. instead of 1008111. beam. be vied an advantage In the way at
house) *woad oppose, bis-•he r. fruine) would do, the grant of interest carres=naleshia leas et capital.
• • mid be did Dot consider the proposed Phi
. ,an further money until- the made to the public had been Mr. le T
Wiled. lit thought' this meeting the subject would but wholly adviabßibmiso *l4O be was wet opposed to the orpertrosse,
If also Ryer coat& Maid par in ten years, thly Welt thou sedan
. ansMwerr. With. BlectOirs:sahle Wl'
till. 'the -work of stopping up the **SIP' Mill' ow Norma to be crested i but tree er the 8 per
thenlor
the 'subject was brought eats etsok, the Were* on which was die sone, toe this was not pay-
puma. NM Abell plociediali;
broom the bettor, and *told take on earlier woe. Ali Ow 41l moo.
tom,
et dog time that liotoo vie by his honourable friend Mr. MS ail, it asy etald fairly radon the.publie burthens'
it Wail HU
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- . lilo• HNROB said tNtj a gisitiedibsr et bultviOusla had diaseadmiuhtw ware to be paid oft He should object to their
-yo hiss -their wishes ri- Page *oda be..opened as I being Paid by the itibillail. .
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DISTRESS Or THE COUNTRY.

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111 r. MUNDY presented seventeen petitions, from as many
parishes in the county of Derby, complaining of distress.—Ordered
to be printed.
Alr. LITTLETON presented a petition from the licenced vie-
tusllers of Stafford against the licensing system—Referred to the
committee.

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