The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-17 00:00:00

LLOYD'S SHIPPING.

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LONDON, JUNE 14.—Wind N.N.E., light. 15. 6 P.M. E.S.E.
—Arrd. Elizabeth, Murray, Antigua. Sld. Maiden, Hobart Town ;
Westminster and Lysander, Calcutta ; N. ptune, Bombay ;
Mauritius ; Mary Ann, Cape of Good Hope. 15. Judith, Allan, Cal-
cutta; Cybele, Demerara; Jane, Lockhart, Dominica; her 51:ijesty's
ship Spy, Coast of Africa. Arrd. Admiral Jan Evertzen, Rayper,
Java for Amsterdam.
GREENOCK, JUNE 12.—The Catherine Boland, arrived here from
Barbadoes, experienced a heavy gale from W. to N.W. 25th ult.,
in
lat. 44, lon. 35, shipped a sea, which swept the decks.
JERSEY, JUNE 12.—S1d. St. George, Quebec.
BRISTOL, JUNE 14.—Si1d. British Queen, Montreal; Osprey, New-
foundland.
PORTSMOUTH, JUNE 14.—514.1. Fairlie transport, Ascension.
SWANSEA, JUNE 12.—Aryl. Ellen, Simpson, and "Sarah, Cuba.
POOLE„ Ji-NE Bebe, Rogers, Newfoundland.
DONEGAL. JUNE 11.—The Catherine and Jane, wound to Liver-
pool,
has been aground at Hillybegs.
SHIELDS, JUNE 14.—The Archer, of Dundee, In entering the liar-
lour this afternoon, grounded on the Rock Ends, near the Bar, but
was towed off on the flood.
CLYDE, JUNE 13.—.Arrd. Medora, Macpherson, Trinidad. 14.
E. I)., Ball. Ichaboe ; Handel, Fergus, Trinidad ; Scaler, Kearney.
N ewfOundland. Sid Tamerlane, Calcutta ; Alabama, New York.
SOUTHAMPTON, JUNE 16.—The Royal Tar steamer, front Gibral-
tar, has been telegraphed off this port.
FALMOUTH, JUNE 14 AND 15. Wind variable and light.—Off Ca-
therine, of Peterhead, Cape of Good Hope ; Mangeretha, Moos,
Buenos Ayres, sld. April 9, and proceeded for Antwerp.
WHITEHAVEN, JUNE 13.—S1d. Paragon, Jamaica.
CORK, JUNE 12.—Arrd.Dolphiu, Newfoundland, and sailed for Wa-
terford. Off, Governor Harvey, Minekton, Newfoundland.
LIMERICK, JUNE 13.—Arrd. Eblana, Rowland, Trinidad.
OFF BALLtNA, JUNE 12.—Brig Elgin, of St. John's, New Brunswick
(timber laden), and is under seizure by Coast Guard for having 2 cwt.
of tobacco concealed on board.
SUNDERLAND, JUNE. 14.—S1d. John Hutchinson, Quebec.
HULL, JUNE 13.—S1d. Rolla, Quebec.
LIVERPOOL, JUNE 14.—Wind N.N.W.--Sld. Canada, Batavia';
Currency, Calcutta ; Camarena, Rio ; Adonis, Africa. 15.
Arrd. Sheridan,de Tustin, New York. Sid. St. Vincent, St. Vincent;
Norval, Newfoundland; Corea, Parmulia, and Henry Gardener,
Quebec. Off, Priscilla, La Guayra. The Arethusa, ('owl, hence to
Buenos Ayres, which put into Ramsey, Isle of Man, for repair, has
returned to this port leaky, after repairing and leaving Ramsey,.

TERRIFIC EXPLOSION OF A
STEAM-BOILER.
(From the Second Edition of the Manchester Courier.)

It is our painful duty to record an accident which occurred this
day (Saturday) about one o'clock, at the foundry of Messrs.
Nasymth, Gaskill, and Co.'s at Patricroft, near Eccles, by which
one man has been killed, and two others so severely injured that
their lives are despaired of. In consequence of the late hour at
which we received intelligence of the calamity, we are prevented
from giving anything beyond a mere outline of the shocking affair.
It appears that about three minutes past one o'clock, just as the
men were returning from dinner to the foundry, such of them as
had arrived were startled by a tremendous explosion, followed by
the crash of falling buildings, and on running to the engine.house,
found both it and several smaller buildings a perfect mass of ruins,
all the work of a moment. Such was the force of the explosion,
that one part of the boiler, measuring about twenty-six feet, and
weighing upwards of two tons, was shot like a canon-ball into the
canal, a distance of at least forty yards, knocking down the walls
of the eagine.house, the boiler shed, smiths' shop, and a large
wooden shed in which the " dressers" work, and carrying every-
thing before it. In fact, every particle of brickwork in the
neighbourhood of the engine-house is completely in ruins. The
men immediately set to work to discover the engineer and blast--
furnace man, both of whom were known to be in the ruins,
and messengers were dispatched to Eccles for surgical assistance,
and omnibuses to convey the sufferers away. The engineer,
John Rogers, was discovered in a few minutes quite dead, and,
to use the words of our informant, "as black as his hat." The
poor fellow had evidently been bruised and scalded to death,
Thomas Hurst, the blast man, was discovered underneath the ruins
dreadfully burnt about his extremities, but protected in some mea-
sure by a portion of a chimney which preserved him from being
crushed to death. Another sufferer, whose name we could not
learn, but who is a dresser and mender, was severely struck by a
large piece of metal ; in fact, the boiler flew over his head as he sat at
work opposite the engine-house, and part of the cylinder, upwards
of 7 cwt., full within an inch of hls feet. It is utterly impossible
po t a asi by a
to describe the ruin and devastation it has caused, which is SO ex-
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a wife and family. The other sufferers were clnveyed to the infer.
;nary at Manchester as soon as possible after the accident.

Their Majesties the King and Queen of the Bel-
gians are expected to arrive at Ostend on Thursday next, and will
there embark for this country to visit the Queen and Prince
Consort. The King and Queen arc expected to remain about ten
days on a visit to our Sovereign.
is aboutllE ato IROYALeave this lciorntllr:'.fEoBrSoeTtmHaEnyDi , LC lESS OF KENT
to visit her family con-
nexions in that country. We hear that the Royal Duchess will be
absent about three months, and that her Royal Highness will pass
several weeks with their Royal Highnesses the Grand Duke and
Duchess of Saxe Coburg, at the ducal palace at Coburg. It is ex-
pected that her Royal Highness will leave England before the
30th, but the precise day is not as yet determined.
HONESTY TILE BEST POLICY.—On Thursday last,
as a poor man, named Joseph Catton, living in Chandos-street,
Covent-garden, was passing through St. James's Park, he ob-
served a gentleman drop a pocket-book, and, having picked it
up, at once restored it to the owner, who seemed p,rfectly bewil-
dered at the loss he had so nearly sustained, and at once presented
the finder with a sovereign, taking down his name and address.
Catton thought no more of the matter; but on Saturday the same
gentleman called at his residence, and, having satisfied himself as
to Catton's general habits, expressed his intention to establish him
in a small way of business, at the same time presenting him with
a five.pcund note.
AUGSBURG, JUNE 3.—The Journal of the Austrian
Lloyd states that a merchant of Venice has obtained the per-
mission to construct a railway from Verona to 13regenz, by way of
Rocrede, Trient, Bolz;n, Meran, Landeck, and Feldkirch, to effect
a close communication between the Austrian seaports. The plan
is said to have been very favourably received at Vienna.

ti,AILWAY COMMITTEES.

GROUP L.

by firs and surrounded by wood. From this hill Lord Grantley's
communication would be almost entirely cut off. It then passed
through a wood which was a very beautiful object, and the witness
expected that the cutting would entirely destroy it as
a feature of the landscape. The embankments and the
viaduct would be all seen from the windows of Lord
and Lady Grantley's apartments, and if this railway were
made, was quite certain that it would drive his brother from
Wonersh, because Lord Grantley's chief pleasure was driving,
and the railway would make it so dangerous as to be Impossible.
Altogether it would be a serious detriment to the property.
The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow.

PORTSMOUTH ATMOSPHERIC LINE.

(YESTERDAY.)

The Committee resumed on this line at twelve to-day, Mr. E.
B. Denison in the chair, with all the other members of the Corn.
mittee present, when, according to arrangement on Friday, the in.
quisition was taken on the interference with Lord Grantley's pro-
perty by the atmospheric line. Our readers will recollect that we
have stated the circumstances as alleged by the counsel on both
sides. The line intersected a portion of his Lordship's property,
cutting off a portion of the park, and then passing between Lord
Grantley's property and that of Mr. Sparks, so affected
the residences of both as to destroy the privacy
of their houses and interfere very greatly with those
features of the locality. Both the cutting and the em.
bankment were equally objectionable. The one would destroy the
view from the house, and the other would altogether interrupt the
enjoyment from the immediate lands. Lord Grantley was in the
habit of driving four-in-hand, and had within the last five or six
years expended upwards of 20,000/. in the improvement of the pro-
perty. Mr. Sparks, the other petitioner, lived about a mile off at
Gosden House, but from the course which the railway took, he
closely adjoined the railway. It took part of his lawn and quite
interrupted his view down the vale of Bromley, which was very
beautiful. The property, as it happened, was very narrow,
and the line took fully a mile from this property, so
that, in fact, its pecuniary value was very greatly reduced,
The residents at Wonersh were within three miles of Guildford,
where they had the advantage of a railway already formed. He
had row only to lay the evidence before the Committee, and if it
was proved that equal advantages would be obtained to the public

HOUSE of LORDS.
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The Select Committee appointed to investigate this case assem.
bled to-day, at three o'clock, the Marquis of Clanricarde in the
chair. The Bill being unopposed, the Committee declared it to
have passed. The Noble Chairman will report to the House.
The Standing Orders Committee, Lord Shaftesbury, Chairman,
also assembled at three o'clock, and resolved themselves into a
Committee on unopposed Railway Bills.
The following Bills were then declared to have passed the Com-
mittee:—The Bedford and London Railway; the Shrewsbury, Os-
westry, and Chester Railway; the Manchester and Leeds Railway;
the Burnley, Oldham, and Haldham Railway ; the Berks
and Wants Railway; the Lowestoff Railway and Harbour; the
Kendal and Windermere Railway; the North British Railway;
the Yarmouth and Norwich Railway; and the London and
Greenwich Railway.

GROUP P.
THE SOUTH WALES RAILWAY.

On the re-assembling of the Committee on this group today,
the business was commenced by Mr. LAW calling and examining
Mr. Giles, civil engineer, who deposed that he had seen the line,
of the proposed South Wales Railway, and was acquainted with
the country through which it passed. It appeared to him that
the trunk line in Pembrokeshire did not embrace the principal
towns in that country, and that the branch lines were not
well adapted for the mineral districts. The principal traffic into
South Wales passed thro .gh Bristol, by way of the old ferry,
called the Aust; Gloucester constituted the second passage for traffic
coming from the southwestern parts of England into Wales;
and it also commanded the traffic arriving from the north and
south. 'fhe tide of the Severn rose more rapidly than the tide of
any other river in Europe, and its water was charged with mud in
solution. The proposed bridge would offer a great obstacle to the
navigation. At high tides the troves would have to unship their
masts in going through the arch. During this process they would
be rendered unmanageable, owing to the rapidity of the tide, and
would most probably be hurled broadside against the piers of the
bridge. At the point where it is intended to make the canal be.
tween Hock Crib and Farmslow, the river rose nine feet, and the
tide was so rapid that it would preclude the entrance of vessels into
the canal. At every tide there would be a deposit of alluvial matter
outside the lock.gates, which would require to be removed by the
power of sluices or other mechanical means, for otherwise there
existed no method of " scouring" the deposit. The canal would
not be supplied with fresh water, which was necessary for preventing
a sediment. He did not consider that a long port in winter would
have any effect on the tidal water. The best point for crossing
the river for the northern traffic was most undoubtedly at
Gloucester, and for the south traffic the passage of the Aust Ferry
was desirable. The level of the ground on the Bristol side was
quite sufficient to permit of the construction of a suspension bridge
of a proper height, but on the Chepstow side piers would be re.
quired. The engineering difficulties on the line were objection.
able, but not impracticable, and the expense of construction had
Leen under.estimated. He considered that bridges of the magni-
tude which it was contemplated being made should not be con.
structed of timber, because the worm in tidal water invariably de-
stroyed timber, and he knew many instances of timber bridges that
had not lasted more than eight or ten years, owing to the ravages
of the worm. It was called the augur worm, and.it bored its way
through the wood in every direction, and there were no means
at present discovered to prevent its ravages. He thought the
bridges should be built with stone abutments and iron tops. The
general estimate:for the entire line was, in his opinion, too small; it
should have been taken at 4,000,0001. sterling, which was
1,200,0001. more than was proposed to be raised. Looking at that
line as 211 miles in length, and regarding also the
different works connected with its construction, the bridge
across the Severn, the tunnels, and other matters, it ap-
peared to him that the cost of the railway would be on the average
20,0001. per mile for a double line laid down on the broad gauge.
He would endeavour to show the points which had induced him to
come to that opinion : for some of the particular works he would
take Mr. Brunei's own estimate:—

The Committee then adjourned till one o'clock to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP A.
SOUTH-EASTEI?.N LINE.

The Committee having met this day, at the usual hour,

Mr. Sergeant WRANGHAM proceeded to the cross.exarnination of
Mr. Bidders, but the evidence given contained no material point
that had not been previously published.
The CHAIRMAN observed that General Lord Bloomfield was
present, and wished to make a correction as to a part of his
evidence which had been misunderstood.

by the line which was proposed by the South-Western Company
as by the other, he trusted they would approve of that line which
was likely to be beneficial to the public, and yet not injurious to
private interests.

General Lord Bloomfield then pointed out a mistake in a copy of
his evidence which had been forwarded to him, and in which a
statement, made with reference to the South-Eastern, had been
applied to the North Kent line.

Mr. Baillie Denton, a Surveyor, of twelve years' standing, stated
that he had surveyed the property, and had seen the deposited
plans, and according to the quantity of earthwork which would
have to be done, by those plans the expense for two furlongs
back from the thirteenth mile, and six furlongs forward from the
twentieth mile, would be 34,1621. Is. 6d. ; and going by Albury
and Shalford, the earthwork would be 25,0591. Os. 10d. For the
two lines respectively, the expense of bridges, would be, on the pro-
posed line 21,1441. ss. 6d., while on the deposited line it would
only be 14,9391. 7s. The excess of the permanent way would be
4001. The gradients on the original line were also better, the most

Mr. Bidders' cross-examination was then continued—He spoke
a', some length as to the number of junctions formed by the
South-Eastern and the number formed by the North Kent line.
Mr. RODE observed that he had a communication to make to
the Committee, and requested that they should retire for the
purpose.

The CHAIRMAN assented, and the Committee accordingly retired
for some time.

severe on that line being 1 in 100, while on the proposed line it is
1 in 80, while the interference with property would not be so
objectionable.
The CHAIRMAN interposed, and stated that he thought this was
not quite according to the rule of evidence.

On the return of the members of the Committee,
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Mr. WRANGHAM proceeded to examine Mr. Bidders as to some
portions of the proposed line which were not included in the esti-
mates of the Company, and also as to a level crossing
which must be made by the proposed line over the now existing
Croydon (locomotive) line, and which might interfere with the right
of way of the Croydon Company. At Deptford it would be ne-
ces-ary to throw tour streets into one. This street would have
150 trains passing in 15 hours; se that 10 times in each hour the
gates must be shut, and no person could pass through the street.
This would produce no great inconvenience, as the short trains would
pass in one minute, and the long ones in three minutes, and thetratEc
of the street was very small and unimportant. A large number of
houses must be removed at Deptford, but they would be houses
cf very small value, and which would be much better removed.
At Dartford Creek the line would cross a swing- bridge. He did
not think there would be any danger from such a bridge in this
instance, as the creek was at that point very narrow, like
a canal. In general a brick bridge was preferable to a
swing bridge. Tn entering London the South-Eastern line
would pass through the Deaf and Dumb Asylum, where
the noise could give no annoyance to the inhabitants.—(A
laugh.) It was necessary to pass through the Asylum in order to
avoid two churches. It was impossible to enter London without
some such inconvenience.

Mr. AUSTIN stated that, according to the decision of the Speaker

of the House of Commons, it was not competent for counsel to put
in plans or sections made by any other parties than under the orders
of the landowners.

Mr. Denton then stated that he had surveyed the line by the
orders of Lord Grantley's solicitor, and that he knew his Lord.
ship's property and every other landowner's on the line. In the
neighbourhood of Lord Grantley's property the embankment was
intended to be begun at seven feet high, shortly after emerging
from the cutting ; and from the spot he had seen the windows of the
principal apartments in the house, and from the house he had
seen the spot where the embankment would be placed. The
highest part of the embankment would be nearest the house,
and oecicledly there would be danger to a person driving a four.in-
hand from the viaduct, which came close to the turn of the road.
It was intended to carry the line within 150 yards of Lord Grant-

gate, and would touch his brother's house, the place where

General Norton had lived. The line would be within 150 yards
of Mr. R. Sparke's, and the cutting would be immediately behind it.
Mr J. Sparke's house, near Godalming, would be within 200tyards,
and the limits of deviation would bring it within 100 yards. In-
deed, it would greatly interfere with the property, but that, he
thought, might be a matter of compensation. But the injury to
the house would be beyond compensation. In several instances
the datum line differed in its basis.
Mr. AUSTIN, on the part of the promoters of the atmospheric
line, objected to the evidence as leading to the contravention of
the decision of the Standing Orders' Committee. This had been
decided on the London and York line the other day, where, ac-
cording to the observation of the Chairman, the engineer had ad-
mitted that his assistants had made such an error in their sections
as would have let in the North Sea, and rendered the construc-
tion of the line as laid down impossible.

After some evidence on uninteresting points connected with the
levels of the proposed line at Chatham, Rochester, and Stroud, and
with some inaccuracies in the plans of the South-Eastern Com.
pany, the Committee adjourned at five minutes to four o'elock.

GROUP GG.
GLASGOW JUNCTION RAILWAY.

The Committee ow this group re-assembled at twelve, but it was
nearly one o clock before business was commenced, owing to the
ab,ience of Mr. Muntz and Viscount Grimston. At the latter
hour Mr. Muntz entered, having but just arrived in town from
Birmingham, and the proceedings of the day were commenced by
Mr. Hope calling, on the part of 11r. Campbell of Blytheswood, one
of the opponents,

Mr. Gunning persisted in his right to examine on this point.
The CHAIRMAN pointed out the peculiar features of the two cases,
ana showed that Mr. Cobitt had betn put into the box, and ought
to have been examined on that point, but conceived that the wit-
ness might be examined.

Mr. J. Kyle, a land-surveyor in Glasgow, who was examined
as to the nature and difficu:ties of the strata through which the
tunnel beneath the Blytheswood property would pass, and the
effect which the termini in Bothwell-street would haveupon the
surrounding valuable property. The witness exhibited a model of
the newer portions of the city where the proposed line would inter.
sect them. the witness added, that at a certain depth the pro.
Looters would eome at quick.sands, which, he thought, would pre-
sent insuperable difficu:ties to the progress of the works.
Mr. J. Collie, architcct, was examined, and after giving evidence
in corroboratkn of that given by the previous witness, adced that
the valuation of property made by himself showed that the pro.
moters' estimates were 100,0001. below what they ought to be.
Mr. W. Broome, builder, Glasgow, had been extensively em.
ployed on • the Blytheswood estate. Had examined the bores
made by Mr. Keyle with the view of testing the quality of
the soil. 1-le found that a considerable proportion of it was
runivir.g sand, or quicksand, aud his experience told him
that such a foundation was the very worst that could be had
for building purposes of any kind. He considered that Mr.
Collie's valuation was a most reasonable one, and not in any degree
too high. That valuation would be some 100,0004 above that
furnished by the promoters.

Mr. Denton, to Mr. Mrs Tux, replied that his clerks had obtained
a copy of the plani deposited at the Private Bill Office.

To this Mr. AUSTIN objected u not being evidence. They
ought to have been obtai.red by the witness himself. He denied
that there was any error in the sections.

The CHAIRMAN said that of the copies before the Committee
.hey must send for the original.

Mr. AUSTIN stated that, according to the standing or-
ders, the original was deposited with the Clerk of
the Peace for the county. He objected to the dis-
cussion altogether, and begged to put the case formally before
the Committee. On looking at the petition of Lord Grantley he
saw that there was no al,egation of errors its the sections whatever.
By the 66th standing order it appeared that no petition on a private
Bill shall be laid before the Committee which did not distinctly
allege the objection to such private Bill ; and that no petitioner
should be heard, except on the points stated in the peti-
tion. If a distinct ground were alleged in the petition, but
not accurately stated, that then it should be in the discretion of the
Committee to allow the bounds of inquiry. As there waa no alle-
gation of error in the sections, clearly the counsel could not be
heard upon it.

Mr. John Bennie had heard the evidence given by his friends
Messrs. Collie and Mr. Broome, and he fully concurred in their
valuation.

The CHAIRMAN apprehended that the object of the standing
orders which had been cited was for one party to give nctice to the
other of the ground of objection which it was intended to allege. ,
,Mr. GUNNING conceived that the error in those sections was
so great as to be fatal to the line, and that therefore he wis en-
titled to put in evidence to that effect—especially as there was a
distinct statement in the petition that the line by Guildford was
the better line of the two, and on this ground he conceived he was
justified in objecting against any evidence for the atmospheric line,
and these sections were certainly part of the evidence. The Corn.
mittee might see that the line was impossible from the sections: they
would be entitled to decide against the line.
Mr. AUSTIN said that the objection must go to the extent of
stating that the line could not be constructed at all. Consequently,
if the objection was that the other line was better than this, it was
nothing mole than saying that the other line was better than one
which never came into existence, which was an absurdity. There
was nothing in the petition to show that there was an objection
to the plans and sections, and therefore there was, to use the ex-
pression, " nothing to amend the Court," and the objection of the
other side v;4B, therefore, untenable.

Mr. J. Hayman, cuter, in Glasgow, had been in the habit of
carting for a considerable period to the most considerable merchants
of Glasgow, and his general rate was is. a ton. Few goods were
stored in Glasgow, and the through traffic would therefore be of a
very limited character. The goods' managers at the railway
stations.were in error when they quoted the charges at 2s. 6d.
per 'ton.

Another witness, called to corroborate the preceding evidence
wa under examixation when the Committee adjourned.

GROUP K.
V7VMMIIAiii AND DE2M7BLAIIII LINE.

The Committee on this line resumed this morning at th• usual
hour, the Members present being Viscount Sandon (Chairman),
J. L. Ricardo, R. Cobden, and %V. Martin, Esep.
Mr. Pare, examined by Mr. CALVERT—Has been engaged to draw

up an account of the present traffic oil the road between Wyndham
and East Dereham, and a sketch of the probable accession upon
the construction of a air' ct hne of railway between those towns.
The entire revenue which he anticipated for that line would be
24,919/.. while that for the circuitous line by Wyndham would
net exceed 19,4891. The former would perform the journey by
travelling over fifteen miles in forty-five minutes, and the latter
t,%enty.two miles in one hour, six minutes, leaving a balance of
twenty-one minutes iu favour of the former. Has examined the
traffic tables put in by the other side, and finds that the iacrease
anticipated by them between Wyndham and Dereham is 50 per cent.,
while between Attleborough and Disc it is rated at 100 per cent.
upon the very same data. The population of Norwich, by the cen.
ails of 1831, was 56,134, and in 1841, 62,341. being en increase
of only 2 per cent., while in the ten years between 1821 and 1831
the increase was more than 21 per cent.

The bridge and canal of the Severn
The Forest of Dean Railway
The harbour at Brimshill
The harbour at Fishguard
Excavations..
Stations ....

£200,000
64,000
20,000
60,000
582,000
100,000

....
..

Total
All these items had been taken from Mr. Brunel's own statements,
and he was not inclined to say they were insufficient. The points
which, in his opinion, would cost more than had been laid down in
the estimates of Mr. Brunel were, in the first place, the tunnels.
He (Mr. Giles) had estimated that there were altogether 7,719 yards,
which would cost, on the average, 501. per yard, and not 301 per yard,
s Mr. Brunel had stated, making a total of 395.9501. for tunnelling.
No estimate of the lands necessary to be taken had been taken.
He should take it at about 200 miles, and looking at what had been
paid Sr.. similar pr,perty by existing railways, he should calculate
the expense of the land at 3,0001. per mile, the result of which would
be 600,0001.. The permanent way, consisting •f 204 miles, he
had estimated at 5,0001. per mile, which would yield a total of
1,020,0001 The bridges on the entire line, with the exception of
the brioge at StiJckhill, would cost 2,5001. per mile on the entire

length of the line, making altogether 500,0001. The gross
value of these items would give a sum of 3,541,0001., to which
10 per cent. being added for contingencies, 354,0001., the
entire estimate of the line would be 3,895,00/., which was
1,095,0001. greater than the estimate made by Sir. Brunel.

Mr. TALuoT cross-examined the witness on a few points, bui
nothing of a material nature was elicited.

Cross.examined by Mr. GIRDEN— When he calculated 62.6
journeys bevelled on an average by seven passengers, he had sup.
bored they would be both pair and four-horse carriages. He had
generally allowed one or two travellers per gig as likely to come upon
u rail if constructed, but had in all his calculations deducted 50 per
sent. from the present amount of transit. Has thrown aside
sever,' of the averages which he might legitimately have included,
and has aiiopted the principle of halving the average of transit on
a read for any three weeks in the year. Thus at one gate
the assumed two-thirds of 2,680 passengers who posted on
the read is taken in the tables at 1,560, and by gigs
the same proportion is taken of the 35,566 observed
travelling. Has no doubt but that the passengers through
IMarlingford would avoid, rather than adopt, the line by Wyndham
to Norwich. Considers the average of 2d. per traveller as a very
fair rate to name. On the London and Birmingham the fare is
rather more than that, and on the Coichester line 21/2d. is the
average price per mile.

The CHAIRMAN decided that Mr. Dunning should proceed.
Mr. AUSTIN then claimed that they should have the original
plan deposited with the clerk of the peace.
Mr. Oswald and Mt. M. Milnes thought that the copy before the
Committee was sufficient.

The Citatasiszs thought that the point was of sufficient import-
ance to justify Mr. Austin in calling for the original.
Mr .GUNNING pleaded that the question ought to be decided just
as a case at nisi pries.

Mr. AUSTIN said that if this question were to be decided for the
opposing party, he ought to recal the engineers, and that Mr.
Gunning should proceed suo periculo.
To this the Chairman assented, and Mr. Gunning was proceed-
ing with the examination of the witness when the Committee
d. bated whether they should receive this act upon the plan which
ha , been laid before them. At length Mr. Gunning proceeded, and
Mr. Denton stated that in page 11, where a length of five fur.
longs was stated, as horizontal there was at one end a difference of
eight feet; four pages, consequently, were it regular as to the da-
tum line. It was stated in one page that a portion of the line was
..:15 feet, when it was really only 206 feet. The further distance
might be explained because there was another datu, line of 100
feet difference, but the difference of 91 feet was not
to be explained. In the next page there was a difference of 110
but he did not rely on these larger differences, because he con.
ceived they were clerical errors; but the 91 feet was a decided
error He would not state it more precisely, because he had
allowed for shrinking , but the difference was 9 or 10 feet, and he
should say that me work could not be executed on the sections as
stated. The discrepancies in tour pages consecutively were such
as he could not account for, and certainly they were more than
clerical errors. In page 12 there was a difference of 12 feet, which
he could not account for. In page 10 continued to page 11 the
difference was 100 feet, but that was a clerical error. But from
page 11 to page 12 there was a discrepancy for which he could not
account for.

Mr. LAW then proceeded to address the Committee on the evi.
dense that had been adCuced. There was no doubt the existing
traffic between South Wales and through Bristol would be entirely
destroyed, if the proposed line were made. The best line of com-
munication for this traffic would be by way of the Aust Ferry, and
for the traffic coming from Birmingham and the manufacturing
districts of the north the most urable point of com-
munication would be by way of Gloucester. The consent and
approval of three public bodies had been given to the scheme; but
he would contend that this was not sufficient. The jurisdiction of
the Committee, in dealing with the matter, was limited by an Act,
the Eth Victoria, which, in cap. 20, sec. 17, provided, that
whore a railway company contemplated carrying a bridge over any
navigable river the consent of the Admiralty should be obtained
previously to the passing of the preamble.
Mr. E. Buza.sta, M.P., observed that the Act prevented the
construction of the works without the consent of the Admiralty ;
but there was nothing in the clause to hinder the Committee from
deciding that the preamble of the Bill was proved, and, further, the
consent of the Admiralty might be obtained.
Mr. Law (in continuation) said that it was compulsory on the
promoters of the Bill to get the consent of the Admiralty first, and
as it had not been so obtained, it was evident that the part of the
preamble which declared that the construction of a line
from Standish, across the Severn, would be of "great
public advantage by opening an additional, certain, and
expeditious means of communication " between South
Wales and England, could not be legally tenable.
It was clear, if the opposition of the Admiralty continued against
the making of the proposed bridge across the Severn, that the
intentions of the railway company as regarded Standish could not
be carried out, arid therefore it would necessarily fellow that the
consent of the Committee could not be given in the preamble.
In the opening harangue of Mr. Austin he had observed that
considerable difficulty had been experienced on this subject, and
even had gone so far as to say that supposing the line could not
be continued to Standish, it was still desirable to have railway
communication to Chepstow. The Learned Counsel then shortly
adverted to the various lines which had appeared in the course of
evidence as preferable to the route laid down by the South Wales
Company, and also briefly commented on the inadequacy
of the estimates for the construction of the proposed line. He con-
cluded by ca:ling on the Committee not to allow the preamble of
the Bill to pass.
Sir Walter Riddle withdrew the opposition on the part of Colonel
Lewis to the Bill, a satisfactory arrangement having been arrived at
between him and the promoters of the railway.
After a few words from Mr. Dams, on behalf of Sir T. C. Bovey
and the Rev. Mr. Jones, the opposition against the line having
been brought to a conclusion, the room was ordered to be cleared.
On our return

The CIIAIII3I4N said the Committee were of opinion that it was
unnecessary to trouble the Counsel for the Bill to make a reply, as
they were unanimous in thinking that the preamble of the Bill
had been proved.
Atter some desultory conversation between the Committee and
Counsel, ai to the method in which the opposed clauses should be
proceeded with, the Committee adjourned till twelve to-morrow.

GROUP PP.
rizmoDLEsnoreouGH AND impaan
RAILWAY.

Re.examined by Mr. JAMES—Has tested his calculations by the
precedent of other lines, and the result has proved his complete
accuracy. These is no analogy between this and the Great
Western, Colchester, and London and Birmingham lines, named
as criterions of traffic by Mr. Girden.
Mr. William Gravatt, civil eng,neer, examined by Mr. JAMES-
-Was engaged last year in the month of September to survey the
direct line between Norwich and Derehain. Has estimated the
cast of the main line at 140,9374, the New Mills branch at 10,757/.,
and the Fakenham branch at ::(1,1701., making a total
of 177,8641. 'The distance of the main line is 15 miles 8 chains,
of the New 3:ills Branch, 1 mile and 17 chains, and of the faker).
ham branch 2 miles 46 chains. The land, the cuttings, earth-
works, embankments and bridges, are surveyed for a double line, into
which the rail could be converted at any period whatever.
'Lie gradi: nts are 1 in 450 for half a mile, 1 in '257 for three
miles and a furlong, 1 in 285 for one mile five furlongs, I in 360
for one mile three furlongs, 1 in 917 for six furlongs, the ruling
gradient being lin 300. Proposes to have a terminus at the
New Mills, in order to obtain the traffic now coining up from
Yarmouth by the canal navigation. The continual stoppages on
the Derchain and Wyndham line will entail a delay of five mi-
nutes at each station.

Cross-examined by Mr. ANDREWS, Q.C.—Has been engaged
in the construction of the line in the Thames Tunnel, the.
Bristol and Exeter as far as Taunton, a distance of forty-
hv-2 miles, arid a large proportion of the Great Western.
Took down some bridges on the Bristol and Exeter line, after
having erected them. Thinks six at least required this alteration.
The cause of the bridges being raised was the change of gauge
adoptcd on the line, an order having been made by the House
of Lnrgs that the gauge must be the same throughout
both on the Great Western and Bristol and Exeter Railway. Has
also been en aged in the Direct Northern and Churnet Valley
neither of which have yet passed the standing orders.
I here are sixte,n level crossings, for which 2,068/. has been esti-
mated, or 1301. per crossing.
. .

By Lord SAN DON—A gate-keeper will be placed upon every crossing,
acting also as policeman on the line, at a salary of 50/. per annum ;
a cottage would be required for each, requiring 2501. for con-
rtructian.

Cross-examination continued—The number of bridges across
the line will be 10, at an average cost of 5411. each.
Ras estimated 1,7871. for the construction of sixteen culverts, and
takes 101. per ton for rail, and 71. for chains. The worst gradient
en the main line is I in si, five chains and a half in length,
but by an arrangement with the Eastern Union this
objectionable inclination will be avoided. Has a plan
and section also fur avoiding the crossing of the road
on a level. Does not know whether St. Stephen'a.street, in Nor.
wick will be considered a level. The steepest level on the New
Mills branch is 1 in 48. Contemplates a traffic of corn, flour, and
coals on that rail, and proposes to work that distance of a mile
and eight chains by horse power. Calculates thirty.thres tons
a.day will be enabled to be drawn by each horse, the expense being
per ton nett, Is. 3-10ths of a penny on the whole distance.
The cost for keeping the horse will be 3s. 10d. a-day,
including the driver at 12s. a-week. The draught of
a horse up the incline would be 4 3.10 tons gross,
end eleven journeys could be thus made daily. The equivalent
weight on a level would be about 21 tons gross. A
slmilar incline was on the Merthyr and Cardiff line,
which he had laid out, and where a great advantage
as experienced by the steep descent, on which the iron
could with ease be carried to the latter district. The largest
cutting on the direct line would contain 230,400 cubic yards.
Ite-rxamined by Mr. JauLii—No engineering incompetency
was ever attributed to him for the taking clown the bridges
on the Bristol and Exeter line. The level crossings do not inter.
ford with any turnpike-road whatever, but merely intersect lanes
and other unimportant pathways. The gradient of 1 in 48 was
viz: down because it came out in subtraction, 250 being at first
estimated as the ruling grr.dient ; but that can be at a future period
whay rectified.
By Mr. RICABDO—The putting down I in 48 as the gradient
was merely an oversight in making,
ethe survey. By a subsequent
arrangement, and altering
rg a e gradients, the difficulty will
be altogether obviated, and the a'eshort distance now with the steep
incline become almost a perfect level.
Sir. Brough examined by Mr..lttMoEfSt—he afistth,e„istisiseissstarnetspoefet3iifirg.
Locke, C.E. Has heard the evidence
the objectionable gradient of I in 48.
tThatditfi of the linecultycanh
to
however
he overcome by raising or depresssngtheer
i_,e level
extent of a foot.
Cross-examined by Mr. ANDREWS, Queen's Counsel—The eleva-
tion or depression of the level of the lines, when crossing the roads,
couldnot be efficted without the consent of the inhabitants of
Noy with, as the bridges or crossings must be altered at a cor-
responding ratio.

The Committee then adjourned, at 4 o'clock, till 12 to-morrow.

-

This Committee met at half-past three o'clock, the Hon. Eliot
Yorke in the chair.

The preamble of the Bill being proved, the clauses of the Bill
were gone through without opposition, and the Chairman was
directed to report to the House that it passed with its amendments.

To the inquiries of Lord CLIVE, the witness stated that he as.
slimed the two ends to be correct, and then found the discrepancies.
Some of thesediscrepancies might be accounted for, but the error of
the five furlong; was aaogettier Lrespective of all datum.
To the cross-examination of Mr. AUSTIN, Mr. Denton stated
that if the plan were drawn out as it was written the difference would
disappear. But there was evidently an error either in the writing
or the Van, and whichever might be right there was certainly a
difference which was irreconcilable with mensuration truth.
To the inquiries of Mr. M. Musks, Mr. Demon stated that he
did not ascribe any malus animus to the promoters of the railway,
nor could he say whether this difference extended to Lord Grant.
ley 's property, or was beyond it, but if this error was made within
the precincts it would be decidedly injurious to the property.
To Mr. AUSTIN the witness stated that he conceived that the
rule was that any alteration of a gradient better than 1 in 100 was
not allowable, which was more than three feet ; and as this alteration
was more than five feet, it would affect the whole I.ne. The place
affected was Norbrook, where the bend was taken ; and as the
cuttings would be deeper, and the embankments higher, Lord
Grantley's property would be affected to that particular extent.
He was not, however, an engineer, and was diffident of stating
positively what would prevent the injury from being obviated. By
continuing, however, the inclination of 1 in 100 further, until it
reached the horizontal plane, to the end of 7 furlongs, it would not
exceed the prescribed limits, and he did not see that it would injure
the property at that spot. But as to the precise boundaries of the
property he was ignorant.

To the cross-exarnination of Mr. R tiWLINSON, he stated that he
had surveyed the line through eight miles and three chains on
one line, and in the other one furlong less; but he could not say
what width he had surveyed on either side of the line, but it was
very irregular and expressed on the plan which he produced; nor
could he say what was the precise value of the land. He had gone
into no estimates, and, therefore, would not state the money-value
either of Mr. Drummond's or Mr. Lomax's land ; but
certainly it was not ornamental ground. The South-Western
line would pass close by a new house now in the course
of erection in the Gothic style, by Mr. Smirke, but he thought that,
taking Lord Grantley's house, Mr. R. Sparkes', General Norton's,
arid Mr. J. Sparke's house, and putting them Into comparison with
Mr. Lomax's, Mr. Brag's, and Mr. Drummond's,the injury effected
would be greater by the atmospheric line than that proposed by the
South- Western Company. In passing from there to Albury, his
line passed through a valley which contained a great number of
residences, five or slx of which would be cut off from any corn.
munication with the opposite side of the valley, and with their
own property. There were six or seven public roads passed upon
a level by his own plan, but he believed that they were the same
roads which were passed also by the atmospheric line. One at
Ash Farm ; another at Albury, though he could not say that it
was the main road from Dorking to Godalming, but was the chief
access to Mr. Drummond's property; the third crossing was over
the same road, about I mile further on ; the next was a lane
leading to the gunpowder-mill, which he pass, d about 150 yards
off. He was not aware that a line was not allowed to pass within
500 or 000 yards of a gunpowder-mill, but he was aware that
it was an objection, though, as this was to be an atmospheric
line, he had discarded that consideration from his mind. The
next crossing was over an occupation road, where a diversion was
proposed to prevent crossing the road twice. The next crossing
was over the road from Shalford Common to Woriersh,but the esti.
mates he could not give. lie would however produce a Fairer
which had been made in Mr. Locke's office.
A discussion arose as to the putting in the paper, which con.
tined a copy of the estimates. It was ultimately decided that it
should be put in, the paper .was in the handwriting of one of
Mr. Locke's assistants, andthe:validity of its statements the witness
could only assume.
Nme.
orton, a brother of Lord Grantley, stated that he
hadTt'ltenolwinnthe mansion at Woner h for thirty-five years. It was
the principal residence of his brother,s
of
and had been in the family
e opiniont thatwout
tparkoep o
tsie, de
whole froarth,se,avyerawlocueindtugrrieeastl;y and he was
injure the property.w
i
h was in reality a very
ti
passed called,
down h
the whole of t the valley of
wnhee trout o f s the
t r
e pondain as
It
it
thenwa s
Norbrook, which was very beautiful, going through w
excellent pheasant covers. After that it passed through lOr three
the park, and if the Company acted on their power' of
fartd of
viation, it would trench on Lord Grantley's pleasure-grounds-
It subsequently went close to General Norton's house, and thence
to the village pond at Wonersh, which was a store pond for fish,
But that
was not only a store pond for fish, but it supplied the
t
pleasure grounds with water, and he believed half the village,
"the deviation line would also touch the rectory house, arid then
on to Chinturst Hill, which was a cover for game, being topped

GROUP SS.

COVENTRY, REDWORTH, AND NU .N EATON

EAxx.l.v AY.

The Committee on this7gQ7rc-aseembled this morning at the
usual hour, and proceeded with the engineering evidence in the
case for the promoters of the Coventry, Bedworth, and Nuneaton
Railway.

Mr. MAclutsv announced that arrangements had been come to
with several landholders and the London and Birmingham Corn-
?any, and the opposition to the line had accordingly been withdraun.
Mr. George Rennie confirm& the evidence of Mr. Addison,
the engineer to the line. Ile believed the line presented no en.
gitxering dill.culties worth speaking of, and was quite certain it
could be made within the estimate of Mr. Addison.

The witness, in his cross-examination by Mr. DANIEL, admitted
that on some parts of the line minerals had been extracted from
under the surface, and the consequence had been that the land had
sunk, and might again sink. tie did not think this ought to act
prejudicially to the railway; but, independently of that opinion, he
had been informed by those who had sufficient opportunities of as-
certaining the fact, that the sinking had subsided.

Mr. T. Gooch had also gone over the line, and fully coincided
in the statements which had been made by Mr. Addison. In his
opinion, Mr. Addison had fixed upon the best point for forming a
junction with the London and Birmingham line. He knew well
the neighbourhood of Coventry, and had no hesitation in saying
a junction to the eastward of the town was superior to one on
the westward. Both functions, however, were feasible ; but the
advantages on the whole, he thought, preponderated in favour of
the proposes junction to the eastward.

On cross.examination, he said the fact of some portion of the
land over which the line would pass having sunk, or was in a sink-
ing state, was not a sufficient obstacle to justify the removal of the

line, and mentioned one or two instances where embankments on
existing lines were constantly sinking. Plate layers were always
stationed near to these spots, and they were never at a loss to find
a remedy for the defect.

Mr. Sherwood, a railroad contractor of considerable experience,
who had been extensively employed on British and foreign rail-
ways, was willing to contract for the works on the proposed line
at 57,750/.

Mr. Carenah, an ironmonger and collector of poor-rates at
Nuneaton, considered the proposed railway would be a
great advantage to that town, if the Trent Valley
were extended as far as Nuneaton. There was an ex-
tensive traffic in ribbons, between Nuneaton and Co_
vemry, and it was evident to him that a railway between the two
places world be a great public advantage. He admitted having
signed a petition against the proposed, railway, but it was under
the impression that the lino would stop short of Nuneaton, at
Marston.

Mr. James Atnold, a ribbon weaver at Nuneaton, had also
been induced to sign a petition against the proposed railway, under
the impression that it would not extend beyond Marston. The
Trent Valley line would immediately connect Nuneaton with Mar.
ston, and, of course, this tact removed his objection to the railway.
Mr. Shailor, an int keeper, at Nuneaton, signed a petition against
the railway under precisely similar circumstances.
Mr. Edward Phillips, a land valuer, of Whitmore Park, near
Coventry, proved that the railway would require sixty acres of
land, which he estimated would cost 14,0001., including the
severance. This sum was for ninety years' purchase.
Mr. Banbury, Secretary to the Company, proved that the num-
ber of shares subscribed for was 3,574, being equal to 89,3501.
The amouot of deposits already paid was 4,4671.

Mr. l'atmEs here intimated that he was authorised to state that
the London and thrmingliana Company were prepared to take a
lease in perpetuity of the line, but the terms had not Lean fixed on.

Mr. DANIEL, before entering upon his opposition, wished the
Committee to draw from Mr. Parkes the fact that. the London and
Birmingham Company had agreed to take a lease of the proposed
railway, on the condition that the promoters were prepared to aban-
don a portion of their line. If this were the case, the nature of
hii opposition would be materially altered.
The CHAIRMAN remarked that there was no witness before then,
hawhodisvadnuhttuaygletso call
fpioken to the point, and of course there was no one to
whom they could put the question.
s tel‘ar.,: \v in
DftahiNietriEaec.rteplied that under these circumstances it would be
thep
Willis evidence
airriodiip.oonsfeat,iCoi
Coventry.
ar,eiol:ww•terahyy off t
othe e
that
isidir struckat it would be a greaterst
:apt public
•between
was well acquainted with the
mineral districts of Coventry and Nuneaton,
had b over the
proposed line from Coventry to Bulkington, whichi' places

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY MORNING, JUNE 17, 1845

the collieries dipped to the west, but on the east many of the
collieries were already exhausted, and others were of a very inferior
character. The land between Longford and Bulkington
was in a sinking state, and it was highly natural that the railway
should run to the west instead of to the east. There were extensive
collieries working towards the west region, if he might be allowed
the term, or main bed of coal, but on the east side the collieries were
chiefly exhaust 'd. The proposed railway would afford an accom.
modation to the collieries he had just mentioned. These were also
some important lime works on the west side, but none on the east.
Mr. George Starkie, ground.bailiff to Bedworth colliery, con-
firmed the testimony of the last witness.
On cross.examination, he admitted that the bulk of the iron-
stone was raised on the east side of the proposed railway.
Mr. John Sinclair, engineer to the Coventry Canal, said the
bulk of the population on the proposed railway resided to the west
of the line. A railway to the east would therefore afford very
little accommodation to them. The witness also spoke to the
sinking of the land between Longford and Bulkington. Within
his own time it had sunk twenty-one feet, and was still sinking.
At one point since November last it had sunk two feet, and that
point joined the proposed line of railway. A railway takinga west-
wardly direction would better serve the wants of the mining in.
terest, and in fact the population at large. He had prepared the
plans and sections for such line for the use of the Coventry Canal
Company, and these plans and sections could be easily made avail-
able, because they were in every way complete.
On cross-examination he said he received no particular instruc-
tions from the Canal Company to prevent h►m from carrying the
line eastward of the turnpike-road. His instructions were of a
very general nature, and he was to make out wh:.t he thought
would be the best line for the district. He had made thrce-tram
roads, but had never made or laid out a locomotive line. The line
he had marked out would cross two turnpike roads by
bridge and three on the level. The canal of which he was the en-
gineer was of two meandering a nature to afford sufficient accons.
modation to all the traffic of the district. It was evidently con
structed with a view of accommodating the mineral interest.
It being announced that the Speaker was at prayers, the Com-
mittee adjourned till to.mor row.

The CHAIRMAN, after consulting with the other members of the
Committee, said they saw no reason why additional witnesses should
be examined, but he ( Mr. Murphy) had better keep his witnesses
in town as it might be necessary to examine them with respect to
the testimony of witnesses on the part of the petitioners.
Mr. COCKBURN objected to this course on the part of the Com-
mittee, as he considered it in opposition to Parliamentary pr,ctice.
The CHAIRMAN said they had heard a great deal of evidence on
the same points. If the promoters' chose to cal) further evidence
they were bound to hear it. They (the promoters) must use their
41wn discretion in the matter.

Mr. Lee, clerk to the Company, was then called to prove the
capital of the Company, which he said was 1,800,0001., that the
number of mubscribers were 16,390, and that the deposits amounted
to 40,9751.

Much discussion was caused by Mr. COCKBURN taking an objec-
tion to this formal evidence of the capital of the company, and by
calling on the promoters to produce the subscription deed, as he
was instructed that the subscribers' names had bean fraudulently
obtained. At length, the receipt of the Accountant-General of the
deposits was produced, and the Le -reed Counsel consented to take
the witnesses' proof of the truffle; the deed, however, was shown
to him.

Mr. Nuzum gave evidence respecting the assents and dissents.

This clwed the case for the promoters.
Mr. Rowe then applied to have Mr. Boyle, the engineer, to the
Mullingar Company, who had certain sections in his possession
of importance to the case of the petitioners, the Grand Canal Com-
pany, summoned before the Committee by a warrant of the Speaker.
The Learned Counsel then called

Mr. Hannington, who stated that he was the engineer to the
Canal Company. That in March last, in conjunction with Mr.
Boyle and Mr. Henry, he made a survey of the site of the proposed
line fur the purpose of testing the accuracy of the sections. They
found a great number of errors in the levels. The specifications
were :given to Mr. Boyle after he (witness) had placed his initials
on them, on the understanding that he would produce them when
required. He had since refused to do so.
Mr. TALBoT said they might have Mr. Boyle before them, but
they could not compel him to produce the plans and sections in
question.

Similar applications were made for the attendance of Mr. NV. Z
Mulvany and Mr. Lether.
The Committee then adjourned.

intention of the Noble Earl (the Earl of Winehilseal
to bring forward the no-ice which he had on the books until
the Bill had been read a third time, it beets!' in the nature of
a clause to be added to the Bill. he would shortly state the
grounds on which he should support the- me.isure. No doubt
the Bill would be earned by at, overwhelming mej ,city ; but
the results to be expected from it very much depended en the
spirit in which it would be passed, and on the reasons which
led the Government to wopose it. Ile was anxious to state
that. he did not support the measure from any apprehension of
agitation, or from any dread of a foreign war. If these were
the reasons on which he and others supported it, they would
have the effect of placing Mr. O'Connell on a higher pinnacle
than that he had occupied since his trial. Neither did he sup-
port the Bill because the Government had gained a triumph
over education, because the Government was now strong, and
could afford to be generous, and might therefore bestow a boon
which it might otherwise withhold,—but he could not
help stating that their measures towards Ireland had hitherto
been unfortunate. A Noble Friend (the Marquis of Clanricarde)
on Friday gave a true statement of the public mind in Ireland.
He (Lord Campbell) did not support the measure, merely on
the ground that it was to supply a defect in former grants—lie
did not proceed merely upon the dilapidated state of the build-
ing, or on the wretched condition of the students, for he
thought it was a sufficient answer to the arguments that
lad been brought forward against this measure on religious
grounds, that it was only a contatuation of former grants;
but if it were merely to be considered as an isolated measure
and nothing more were to be done, he doubted whether evil
instead of good might not be expected. He could not sup-
port the measure as a step to the endowment of Roman Ca-
tholic Churches in Ireland, out of the public revenue, while the
Protestant Church of Ireland retained its present monstrous
dimensions.—( Hear, hear.) He was fully convinced
that they never could expect peace in that country
until there was complete equality between Protestants and
Roman Catholics, on civil and religious grounds. He
supported the measure, because he considered it a Parlia-
mentary recognition that hereafter in Ireland Protestants and
Roman Catholics were to be dealt with alike. He would
venture with confidence to point out a plan by which Ireland
could be governed, and by which Ireland might be rendered
peaceful, prosperous, and contented. Let them place the Ro-
man Catnolics and the Protestants of Ireland on exactly the
EU PE i LA L PA 'it ,l_slirt, Kt:l4T. same footing. With so much and no less would the Roman
Catholics be contented. He did not complain of the exist-
HOUSE OF LORDS, June 16. ence of the Episcopal Protestant Church in Ireland, because
Their Lordships met at Five o'clock. he could not place any faith in the voluntary principle. It was
RAILWAYS, he thought the duty of the State to provide religious
Messengers from the Commons brought up a number of instruction for all cla3:es of the people ; but it was a lament-
railway Bills, which were severally read a first time. able fact that, hitherto, those who had been most in need of
Earl FITZWILLIAM aid upon the table of the House religious instruction had been left entirely destitute of it. It
the report of the Select Committee lately appointed to seemed to him, however, very important for the character of
ascertain the best mode of satisfactorily adjusting disputes be- the clergy themselves, that they should not depend for aub-
tween landholders and railway companies relative to the pur- sistence entirely upon their flocks, but that they should be
chase of landed property for the purposes of railways. rendered independent, and thus remove their apprehensions
MAYNOOTH. of becoming unpopular, and prevent their resorting to un-
The Bishop of London, the Bishop of Winchester, Lord worthy acts for the purpose of obtaining a decent living. These
Winchilsea, and the Earl of Breadalbane, presented a large were from 7,000 to 8,000 persons in Ireland of the Episcopalian
number of petitions against the third reading of the Maynooth persuasi,ai, and it was highly becoming that their religious
Bill wants should be amply provided for. Far be it, therefore. from
MESSAGE FROM HER MAJESTY—SIR HENRY him to sanction any measure which should have the least ten-
POTTINGER. dency to take the whole of their rights and privileges from them ;
The Earl of ABERDEEN moved the order of the day for but he could not forget that there were 7,000,000 of Roman
taking into consideration her Majesty's message recommending Catholics in Ireland who were required to obey the law, who
their Lordships to concur with her in granting a pension of were required to contribute to the public revenue, who were re-
-1,5001. a year to Sir Henry Pottinger, K. C.B. , for the period quired to defend the State by their personal services, and yet
of his natural life. they were refused the same facilities for obtaining religious in-
The Noble Lords having concurred, struction.—(Hear, hear.) While there was no prospect of
The LORD CHANCELLOR read her Majesty's message. Roman Catholics being converted to the faith of the Fstab-
The Earl of ABERDEEN then said, he rose to move an fished Church, their clergymen, who were to instruct them,
humble address to her Majesty, in answer to the message which ought to be well educated. There were errors in the Roman
she had sent to their Lordships, and in doing so, it would Catholic religion, and no one could disl.ke them more than he
only be necessary to detain them for a very few did ; but the question was not whether there were errors, but
minutes, for he had already had opportunities in that whether these who were attached to it should receive instruction
House of bearing testimony to the great merits in the tenets they professed trom ignorant or educated men—
of the distinguished person who, on the present occasion, was whether they should live entirely upon the subscriptions of
the object of her Majesty's gracious consideration. He had their flocks, or be partially dependent upon the State.
not been sparing in those expressions of admiration and praise And why should not the Roman Catholics and Protestants of
of that conduct which was considered by her Majesty Ireland associate together harmoniously in the same way that
to be so justly done. Those sentiments had they did in Scotland, Russia, or France ?He certainly would
found an echo throughout the whole country. In every not support the Bill, as being the first step to the endowment
part of the kingdom, whether in England, Scotland, or Ire- of the Roman Catholic Church out of the public funds, because
land, Sir H Pottinger had been welcomed with enthusiasm, he thought a portion of the revenues of the Established Church
and every effort had been made to do him honour. ougbt to be appropriated to that purpose. A good deal had
But it was clear that the vast majority of those been said about the murder and persecution committed by the
persons who had so united in expressing such opinions. Roman Catholics of Ireland, but, on the other hand, had not
had very little means of duly estimating the real merits the Protestant Church, at some periods of its history, been
of Sir Henry Pottinger. They looked upon the bound- equally as persecuting and just as tyrannical ?—( Hear,
less field which he had opened to British enterprise, hear.) Did their Lordships forget the cruel murder of
and to that inexhaustible source of commercial wealth Archbishop Sharp in Scotland, whose murderers were aft erwards
and prosperity, which, by his means, had been rewarded by the Church and the State for their cruelty ? Ler
rendered accessible to their fellow-countrymen. But he felt it them hear, then, no more about the domineering and perse-
his duty to say that the real merits of 'sir H. Pottinger would outing spirit of the Roman Catholics of Ireland. hut he was
have deserved their Lordships' approbation and the ap- inclined to think it was the wish and the intention of her Ma-
probation of the Sovereign equally as much if his jesty's Government to deal with Ireland in a more liberal
exertions in China had not been attended by such spirit, and passing from the religious to the political question
magnificent results—for through his whole conduct in China it of justice to Ireland, he trusted, ere long, they would see an
was his (the Earl of Aberdeen's) good fortune in the relation extended system of registration introduced into Ireland, which
which he stood towards him to bear testimony to the conduct should place its constituencies on the same footing as those of
which be pursued. Sir Henry Pottinger in being called England. It had been said, however, that there was no use
to service in China was removed from a service and from a in making concessions to Ireland, because, the more they con-
school to which he ( the Earl of Aberdeen) might be permitted ceded, the more the people demanded, and even when they
to say the State had been greatly indebted. He knew not how got what they asked for, they were not contented. They had
it was, but whether from long habits of self reliance or heard a vast deal, too, of the ingratitude of the Irish people;
from taking part in great affairs, the fact was but let him tell the House, that if they conceded to
that the service of the East India Company had produced men Ireland all that she was entitled to demand, and her people
who, by the energy of their characters and the statesmanlike were still dissatisfied, then would be the time for them to com-
views which they entertained, were peculiarly qualified to con- plain. When the Irish people had been treated on an equality
tend successfully with the greatest difficulties, and to confer with the English—could any Noble Lord point nut to him a
most signal advantages on their country. When Sir H. Pot- period in the history of the two countries, anything which
tinger went to China, he found the negotiation in a state of could at all show that Ireland had been treated as fairly and
complete confusion, and the utmost difficulty was placed in his as liberally as England? No; it was quite out of the power
way to bring the matter to a right adjustment. He had been of Noble Lords to do any such thing, and until her Majesty's
engaged in the direction of both the naval and military forces Roman Catholic subjects were placed on an equality with Pro-
-.hemight say, of the largest force that had ever left this testants, Ireland would still have a rigid to demand further
country—and had, under a variety of circumstances, sues concessions. That letter demonstrates that the opinions which
seeded in giving peace to the empire. He had united, in the he had entertained could not be carried out. He went out of
most wonderful manner, those qualities which had enabled him office we hout the opportunity of completing his intentions.
to consolidate the efforts of both the services, and had so sue- Sir R. Peel's Government was formed at the end of 1834, and
ceedea in executing the duties of his office, as to convert hatred was so speedily dis-olved, that there was no time for him or his
and suspicion into confidence and friendship. It was the exer- Lord Lieutenant to carry out their kindly-disposed measures for
vise of those strong faculties with which he was so extraordi- the benefit of the people. Then came the Government of
narily gifted, and it was under the most difficult circumstances, Lord Melbourne, under which those measures of conciliation
that he had, after having exhibited his high qualities in the were taken which made Mr. ,heil a Privy Councillor, and gave
sphere of India, followed it up in China with the same energy Mr. Moore O'Ferrall a place at the Admiralty. During the
and succes.. During the whole of the time in which he had whole of the five years which followed, the cry of repeal died
been employed in China. though it had been a great effort with away. In 1841 a contested election took place for the city of
the Government to furnish him with as precise instruc- Dublin. There were two candidates on what was called the
tions as they could possibly give, yet much had, liberal side, and two on the other. fen the one side there was
of necessity, been left to his own discretion ; and Mr. O'Connell, and on the other Mr. Hutton, the declared
there was not, throughout the whole of his pro- enemy of repeal ; and yet at the close of the poll Alr. Hutton
ceedings, a single act a hich' had not met with the approba- was within ten votes of Mr. O'Connell, who was the very head
tion of her Majesty's Government. He would not enter into of the repeal movement. What would be the case now if a
details, but he would give the results of the negotiations in candidate were to start for that city? Would it be believed
which Sir H. Pottinger had been engaged, and which were that he would gain twenty votes. If the Government had
highly satisfactory to the country. By the returns which had adopted five years ago the same conciliatory tone which they
been given of the British imports into Canton in 1844, there had afterwards taken up, they would have had an easy task;
had been 3,451,0001., and 3,383400/. of exports. Such was but it was declared that concession had reached its utmost
the result in one of the ports of China, and their Lordships limit, aid what the result had been their Lordships had seen.
would be able to judge of the effect which would be wrought on These men had been placed in office. They were men of
British commerce with the whole of China. The northern unblemished character, men of the highest honour, but they
ports showed equal returns, and with Shanghai and Amoy had been disregarded. But he would only say that it was to
especially the commerce was largely increasing. By the re- him no wonder that the cry of repeal had been raised.
port of the intelligent gentleman who acted as Consul at Can- The Irish people had learned that they were to get nothing by
ton the whole of the trade with China was conducted in the voluntary concession, and they thought that their only appeal
most orderly and satisfactory manner, and ever since the en- was to force. He did not wish to touch on any irritating topic
gagements had been formed the treaty had been fulfilled in
—(" Hear. hear." from the Ministerial benches)—he might
every respect by the Chinese Government to the letter. But say something of the monster meetings, he might say some-
however great this success, and however great the trade which thing of the Irish prosecutions, and of the way in which they
had been opened by it, it was necessary to preserve it with both . were conducted. He might say something also of the way in
moderation and justice towards those with whom we had to which they were concluded.—( Hear, hear.) But he was glad
deal. Without more words he would read the message of her to see that for the future the Irish people were not to be
Majesty, and move a resolution, that their Lordships would treated as aliens in politics and religion. He was glad to see
cheerfully concur in giving effect to her Majesty's gracious that the Noble Lord opposite was likely to have a long tenure
consideration of the services of Sir H. Pottinger." of office.—( Hear, hear, arid a laugh.) The Government last
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the Noble Earl year had carried the Dissenters Chapel Bill. They had this
had truly stated that other opportunities had arisen for noticing year carried the Maynooth Bill by large majorities, and they
the celebrated individual who had now been brought under had it now in their power,with the support of his own side of the
their consideration by her Majesty's message. It was a singu- House, to carry other measures equaily useful, and he trusted
lar fact, that while Sir Henry Pottinger had received instruc- that that would ultimately be effected fo: which he had always
tions from one Government, and had other instrucitons trom contended—the endowment of the Roman Catholic priest-
another, he had succeeded in enjoying the confidence of both hood. Yet though it might induce a large exclusion from
Governments. lie was glad to learn that a reward was pro- office of himself and his friends, he should still rejoice at the
posed for services which had conferred sueh a high benefit on advancement of a generous and friendly policy towards
the country. If her Majesty's Government had gone further, Ireland.
and conferred the highest reward which had been given for The Bishop of LLANDAFF said that the old principles of
diplomatic services, he believed that their Lordships would supporting the royal family on the throne had been so brought
have been quite ready to justify it; but he knew how much the iu question, that the term of concession had reached its limits
Government were bound by precedents, and therefore he was a correct phrase. There were one or two points which
thought that on this account they were not to be blamed. had been very erroneously stated, but so long as tee principle
The Earl of ELLENBOROUG H said that upon the subject of was upheld the connexion of the monarchy with the Protestant
the merits of Sir Henry Pottinger he would say nothing, con- religion must be maintained. These two points had been his-
curring as he did in the meed of praise now awarded to him, torically misstated. There was but one church, one faith,
but in common justice to Sir Hugh Gough, Sir W. Parker, and one creed in the world; and though they might differ as to
the other officers who had served with so much zeal, energy, which was the purest church, yet there was 100 question as to
tied ability under them, and who had carried into effect the the exis ence of the church. When, by what he must take the
instructions of Sir Henry Pottinger, he could not allow that liberty of calling—and what was in reality a depensat ion of Provi-
vote to pass without recording his Appreciation of those great dense—this country was freed from the tyranny of a man who
services. It was well known that the Chinese were not saw himself thwarted in some of his favourite views, the Church
reasoned into a a peace but were beaten in!o it by arms, and reformed itself, and was not affected by any outward power. In
there appeared to be a strange misconception entertained with the early part of the time of Elizabeth the Church had been
respect to the naval and military operations that were then established in all its purity, and every member of the faith
carried on. These were not under the directions of Sir Hen:7 communicated with it. The church of Rome had thrown the
Pottinger, nay more, they were against his directions. He cLsrch of England off. She had repudiated arid exe,mmuni-
had every wish to give his tribute of praise to Sir Henry Pot- sated a:; wh partook of her rites. But the Church still went
tinger's civil services, but he thought that the army „n, was nit disturbed in any of her positions, so that it and
and navy were not to be overlooked on such an was only simple error to say that the revenues of the Church
occasion. The House of Commons had expressed had been transferred to the other. When he called the Este-
their approbation of those services, and Sir Hugh blished Church of this country a continuatior. of the ancient
Gough had obtained a reward of the greatest emolument in church, he thought their earliest recollections would come in
consideration of them, but where, he would ask, was the re- to aid the position which he had put before them. This was done,
ward of Sir Wm. Parker. If he had only defeated a few ves- not by direct effect of authority, but by the vitality always ex.
sels in a single engagement, he might have expected at least a isting in a Christian community they had continued the usages
little notice, but hia services were carried over a period of seve- of the Church after its polity was changed. It was an error then
ral months, in shallow water of difficult navigation, and over to say that the revenues had been taken from one church and
no less than seventy vessels, with the most consummate sue- transferred to the other, for it was all the same Church only
cm. He thought, in conclusion, that he was bound, from a altered in features. There was one argument brought forward
sense of public duty, as well as in justice to the individuals con- in favour of the Bill which he could not give his sanction to,
cerned, and with whom he had co-operated in carrying out these namely that it was not the doctrines on which the grant was
splendid results, to record his appreciation of their deserts on conferred but the number of people who professed those doe-
the present occasion.
trines. He thought that such an argument was one of the
The Earl of HADDINGTON said that if his Noble Friend most pernicious tendency. He would not however detain
had been aware of the discussions which had taken place in their Lcrdships any longer, but believing as he did that the
that and the other House of Parliament, he would have known grant was inconsistent with the principles of the refermation,
that the thanks of Parliament were conveyed to both those inconsistent with the civil and religious liberties of this country,
Gallant Officers for their exertions on the occasions referred to. and subersive of those noble institutions which were established
He was certain that no one who was present could forget the previous to the accession of the illustrious family who at pre.
language which the Noble Duke on his right hand had used on sent occupied the throne, he could not give his sanction to it,
that occasion. He did not, however, confine his remarks to and would therefore move that the Bill be read a third time
Sir H. Gough. The order of the Grand Cross of the Bath that day six months.
had been conferred on the Illustrious Admiral, Sir William Lord CAMPBELL said that he was far from being an
Parker, and shortly after his return home a baronetcy had been enemy to the Protestant Church, and he did not consider that
conferred on him. Since that the most important command at any appropriation of its funds, such as he had suggested, would
the disposal of her Majesty's Government had been given to in the least degree impair its usefulness.
him. He had been appointed to the command of the Medi• The Earl of EL LENBOROUG H did not concur with the Noble
terranean fleet. He would not enter into a comparison of the and Learned Lord. He thought that the Church of England
naval and military operations that were then carried on, be- and Ireland was one Church, and it would be as unju,t that
lieving as he did that the successful results which Sir H. Pot- the superfluities of York should go to supply the wants of
tinger had achieved were partly attributable to both ; and Cornwall or Kent, as that the funds of the Established Church
Parliament was desirous to record their appreciation of those in Ireland should be taken to supply the Catholic religion
services.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH was well aware of the a there. He thought that such a proposition was sanjust; and he
P- intreated the Noble Lord, and all who concurred with him, to
pointment which had been conferred on Sir W. Parker, but his pause before they entertained such a suggestion. If once they
Noble Friend had not touched upon the point of honour. Another countenanced so monstrous a proceeding it was impossible to
officer, perhaps, could not be got so well qualified to take the say what would be the end of such an unprecedented intorfe-
command in the Mediterranean. rence with the just rights of the Established Church in Ire•
The Earl of HA DDINGTON said that there were officers land. —( Hear, hear.)
equally well qualified to take that command. The Earl of SHREWSBURY said that religious controversy
The Earl of ELLEN BOROUGH said that, with the excep-
ought to be eschewed in that House; but he could not, as a
tion of Sir George Cockburn, there was not an officer in the
Catholic, allow the denunciations which had been frequently
service so well qualified. poured oust in the course of the present debate against the
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE hoped that nothing which pCatholic religion, to pass without recording his decided protest
fell from him could be construed into any disparagement of the against them. This religion, he it remembered, numbered
services of Sir Wm. Parker. So far from saying anything to among its followers, both in times past and at present, the
his disparagement, he would be sorry to omit anything he knew most illustrious men the world ever saw, and he would ven-
that would tend to the praise of that great admiral—for he ture to say that it would continue to do so for all time to
would call him a'great admiral—but he thought that after the ! come. If Noble Lords who had alluded, with so much
greatest command in the habitable globe bad been conferred I eloquent vituperation, to the doctrines taught at Maynooth,
upon him, any eulogium from him as to his merits was per- . had moved that a copy of the " Catechism of the Council
fectly unnecessary.
. of Trent, which had been published in 1829, by a professor
After a few words in explanation from the Earl of GLEN- of that College, should be placed on the table, or in the hands
GAL, the address was agreed to. of every Member of their Lordships' House, an opportunity
111 A YNOOT H. would be given to sift those charges which had been
Lord RODEN presented a number of petitions from various , made. It was really monstrous, however, to state, as
parts of Ireland against the grant to Maynooth. many of their Lordships had dime, without the
ITRAVELLING ON RAILWAYS ON SUNDAYS. least proof of such an assertion, that all who were
A Right Rev. PRELATE presented a petition from Sussex professors of that religion were sunk in superstition and idol_
against any unnecessary traffic on railways on Sundays. atry. He was a Catholic not only in obedience to the church
MAYNOOTH. who inculcated that faith, but from a serious investigation,
On the order of the day for the third reading of the College and a strong conviction of the truth of the Catholic religion ;
of Maynooth Bill being read, and he defied those Lords who had indulged in these calum-
Lord CAMPBELL. said. as be presumed it was not the I nious misrepresentations, to substantiate a single one of them.