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London, England, 1829-05-19 00:00:00

House would be departing from all former Precie"
dents. . , .
Mr. PEEL thought there was good reason Y4l
the House should give some immediate order, 1"
respect to the seat, when the ,Hon..Menderj7:
been twice heard at the bar, and once at the tabW,
and now refused to take the oath. It should he'reT;
lected that on the prorogation of Parliament, tit""
could issue, and unless the Speaker issued his Ist'
rant the county of Clare would remain uniefrr
sented. Under these circumstances he thought dos
House would be justified in making its own laralg
meet particular exigencies, where no precedent Pio'
be found.
Mr. HUSKISSON said that the Hon. Member
should remember that at present there was no e,o°.
stituent body in Ireland, which was a material diner.
ence between the present case and any former re.
cedent. A few days back the House adjourned
discussion upon whether the Hon. Member, ft°,
Clare was to be heard at the bar or at the table.o
the House, and surely they ought.to adjourn upon!
point of such importance as that which now,htt°
been suggested.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. PORTMAN now rose, and moved dia he
consideration of the question should be postpone+,
until Thursday next.
Mr. BROUGHAM said he felt strongly inclined
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to agree with the motion for delay, which 01'
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neither prejudice the case of the individual, nor
situation in which the House stood. He thong"
as no evil consequence could arise from it that 01
ought to take time. He did not conceive hit°
self to be bound by former precedent ia,this
stance. There were but three precedents, and those
were the ones he had quoted on a former evening--
the cases of Lord Monson, Lord Faushawe, and Mr'
Archdale, the Quaker. In the two first of tiles.
cases the Hon. Members had been discharged frot°
attending their duties at the House prior to ,the
House ordering a new writ for the places which they
represented; but in the case of Archdale th°
new writ was issued instanter. The difference be'
tween these cases might be owing to the difference
of situation in which the parties were placed'
Though precedent was of importance in ascertain'
ing the rights and privileges of the House, still
course of precedents was nothing as compared to ex"
pediency, for the House was not always bound to
nor
uct up to their rights in any particular case,
was it bound to act as it had done before
unless a deviation from such course would be at-
tended with inconvenience. The grounds of Pr°;
ceeding instanter in former cases, was °
not t
tha
of proceeding in penam, in:such the privileges .
the House were concerned, as well as the Pr';
vileges of those whom that House represent;
or were supposed to represent, that the Hoti
be kept full vvitit as little delay as possible. 011"
her
in the present case it was of no consequence whet he
the writ was issued now or ten nights hence;
' could not therefore see any ground of resistance t°

the motion for adjournment. hid
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, he hoped he "„.r
throughout shown a disposition to treat this iloAti
simply as a judicial question, and on the first
cussion he had himself entreated an adjourno34.l:l
He could not still forget that it was a indiclif
question, and thoughlhe felt himself justified i h
n es
own mind upon the subject, yet, if others entertain.
a doubt, and wished for two days to consider of It:,
he was most anxious to concede to them the sa°
courtesy they hsd formerly conceded to him. Tb,Blo
had sufficiently vindicated the privileges ofd 00
House, by taking the matter up instanter, arg °,d
Thursday it would be resumed as an adjourn,
debate, and take precedence of all other bueinegoi
He begged to say he should not object to eithe,fiar•
the suggestions of the Right Hon. Gentleman lv"
W. Wynn.)•
Mr. F. LEWIS expressed a hope that his 0011;
and Learned Friend would alter his motion' 5°
that it should not appear on the Journals of slis
House that a new writ had been issued within WI,
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days after the passing of the Act, contrary to one 01
its express enactments.
Mr.had adduced
motion, to which proposal he was glad his Sir'
Hon. Friend the Secretary of State had assentelL,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL observed to
if it were the opinion of the Members of that Rol:
that the course proposed would be advisable' "I:
had not the slightest objection to remodel the pop
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of motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL observed, that there was n°
precedent to this case; in the case of the first person
who had objected to take the oaths, that conld not
be analogous to the present case, because the
Membe-a refused to take the oath of King William'
which was an oath that the House could not possiii
bly dispense with, and the others contained 018
marked distinctions that it was imPassib -
to argue on them in any way analogous tias
the present. With respect to the question be e'
would lave to be debated on Thursday fights be
lieved that the real question would be
new writ would be issued a return a new gembhe
for Clare, or whether a new Bill should bee
brought in to enable the Honourable. Memcbo
for Clare, to take his seat on the same ter
as
Earl of Surrey—(Hear,)—that
was the Trove
which they would have to discuss, whether the/
should place the Hon. Member for Clare on a footiag
with his Majesty's other Roman Catholic subject%
Mr. PEEL thought that if it were intendea;
adjourn the question, it would be better not to olt"
cuss it at present.—(Hear, hear.) lit
Mr. BROUGHAM was exactly of his •
Honourable Friend's opinion. He trusted, 11,a,-;
ever, that his Honourable Friend would recognaw-
the intention he had expressed of introducing_
a Bill similar to the Catholic Relief Bill,
that
confined to an individual. (Hear.) He hoped tha
he would re-consider it on the score of convenionetci
if on no other. He would net say that he wore,
not oppose, he would pledge himself to no en„,,al.-a--
but he depended on the discretion of the 11e.a.
Member. after he had re-considered the cluestl°.'
(Hear, hear.); ,
Mr. S. RICE replied, that any suggestion it'ej
the Hon. and Learned Member would be wcolinetsibd'lerfeb-or
with great attention on his part, particularly OA'.
subject of the difficulties to which he had allude -to
General GASCOYNE said he did not-05°0s
prolong the discussion.—(Great laughter-)",;c8
had no objection to altering the form of the na';at
but he now begged most earnestly to reljiill
that on Thursday next he would bring in ,s
to repeal the Catholic Relief Bill, and also °tar'
for the Disfranchisement of the Forty-shilling r'-
holders.—(Loud laughter.)
The question then dropped.
(czrr SITTING.)

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The Duchess of CLARENCE, aCCOMpanAlepri
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the Duchess of SAXE WEIMAR, and the Prince and
of SAX WEIMAR, came to town yesterday 10°r',li
to her new residence in the King's Palace, St. Jan.'es
from her residence in Bushy Park. The two Dea3,e-th;
after inspecting the whole of the edifice, risite(l4.
Princess AUGUSTAat her residence in the ,
Palace, St. James's, and afterwards proceeded to pa'
apartments of the Duchess of KENT, in the King 16„ di'
lace, at Kensington, with whom they partook of the
jeune. In the afternoon the Duchess of Ct...otoSes,
Duchess, Prince, and Princess of SAXE WEIMAA, ret°l.-
to Bushy Park.
The Duke of CUMBERLAND visited his IVIIV
JESTY yesterday, at his Palace, in St. Jamesic____„looo

BIRTHS.
On the 17th inst., the lady of A. Matthews, Pl't
surgeon, of George-street, Chelsea, of a son. , Off'
On the 17th inst., in Ryder-street, St, ,Jaitteig'
Chapman, of a daughter.
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ri On the 18th inst., at Gosport, the lady of —$
Esq., of the 30th Regiment, of a roil.
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At the Rectory, Somersharn, the lady of the n
C. Brown, of a son and heir.
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Oa the 17th inst., at the Paragon, Blackheath,
of C. A. Smith, Baq, •f twin daughters.

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