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London, England, 1829-04-04 00:00:00

was espable of forming. i don't entertain a notion that (Hear, hear.)—T agreee, my Lords, with putting down
the Church is one separate body and the State another, and the Catholic Association ; but that could not have been
that the Church, is to rest separate from the State, and the done but by following it up with this other great measure
State from the Church. I look upon the Church and State of relief. No one who has not witnessed the state of Ireland
as one. My Lords, I have lived with Lord Kenyon, of can entertain the least idea of the odious and vexatious
whom I never speak without stating the gratitude I feel ; exclusions under which the Roman Catholics have so long
I had also the happiness to hear the opinion of the late' and so unjustly laboured. I can assure Noble Lords, from
Lord Ellenborough delivered in this place upon the sub- my own experience, that they have proved the greatest
jeet. One of that Noble Lord's sons has now given his curse to that country. They have raised father against son,
opinion. My opinion is, that such is the connection be- and family against family ; they have produced discord
tween the Church and State, that it is of very es- and confusion in every transaction of life; they have
sential necessity that the committal of offices poisoned every enjoyment, made every one discontented, and
of State should be as much as possible given to individuals created a jealousy that has shook the safety of the kingdom.
who belong to the other part of the Union, and that it be- My Lords, it is said that the petitions against the measure
longs to the most enlightened and liberal part of the corn- are sent from those who are afraid of the safety of the Pro-
munity to fill it. We have the authority of great names; testant establishment. A great many of those petitions
what right have they to say that Mr. Pitt stated upon have been presented from districts which as widely differ
his legs in the House of Commons, that he wold oppose from the established religion of the country as the Roman
emancipation most manfully? What right bad they to Catholics. My Lords, the great mischief of the existing
throw that at me as an argument why emancipation laws are, that they give an artificial superiority to those
ebould be granted now ? Persons doing so entertained professing the Protestant religion. This was what had
notions of religiousliberty on principles I cannot understand. caused the great mischief. My Lords, nothing is more
My Lords, there is another reason I must attend to, and common in Ireland than to hear a Protestant Brunswicker
that is the great danger of breaking in upon the established say, 4, What ! have a Roman Catholic for a Judge ? Can
system. Destroy the Constitution of 1688, and you then Ibe safe if such an one administers the laws of the country?
will have to take care that you don't annihilate the I never can submit to such a state of things," and yet my
whole system of Legislation. My Lords, this Bill provides Lords, you tell the Catholics that they must submit to
;or the advice to be given to the Crown: and if the Ali- have exclusively Protestant Judges. You tell them that
ulster at the head of Government who introduces the mea- it is for their good that they should do so. But is it