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ectionahle than any of these cited by the Hon. Member.
ite merely said this in order to show that they should all be
guided, in questions' of this sort, by none other feelings than
those of Christisn charity.
',kir. COLQUHOUN said he would like to hear from the
o
lion. Niember some proof of hi' assertions, l
fare. ask the Hon. Member whether he woulillen;Wld, there-
n,
or at any
future time, undertake to prove what he had stated
.e —( Hear,
hear.) If he could prove it, he (Mr. Colquhonn) would under-
take to come down to that House and institute
an inquiry into
ehe systems of education at these colleges, and if they •hould be
proved to exist, Peen he would say they were undeserving of
Publi c confidence.—( Hear, hear.) He would, therefore, ac-
cept the Hon. Member's challenge; but. he would defy him to
Prove his statement. As to the Hon. Member denying t..l,,iee
statement of the lion. Member for Ken . had h .
they" heoks of Matt-meth College io the library here, in which
f"atithtee ultra-tramentaise opinises which were so dangerous
to the peace of this country ?
s Nl'. WYSE said that " Dens" was not, and bad not been,
tau-"t`l in Maynooth. He was ready to point out passages
e works of Protestant authors, which would be considered tii
by
the Committee as condemnable. He would taken Luther, fe'r,
instance In o of his works he said, " Free will is an empty
tame. awl if Gode foresaw that Judas would be a traiti a t traitor.
.was
' in his power to be anything else." This was on.a
testant beets.
elr. COLQUIIOUN wished to know ehat this had to do
vith
th the question. The Hon. Member for 'Waterford had said
atl he had Come unprepared.—( Crii s of " No, no.")
v:klr• WY SE— I did not say so.
r. COLQUHOUN— The simple question before the House
s were thee to provi le for teaching opinions which were op •
'Prised to social order and constitutieoal peace in this countr?
If
the
House 410.u'dagree to this measure they would be guilty
°f,,ta- greatest GA' ant want of respect to the country.
C'r• M. J. O'CONNELL slid that from the coolness with
I.7he,itchlaethe Hun Gentleman had.
had unintentionally misrepre,
resented the Hon. Member
spoken he could hardly b• 'eve
or Waterford.
the CHAIRAIAN called the Hon. Member to order.
iler'ali. M. J. -O'CONNELL—He had said that he could
the Y believe.—( Laughter.) He would, ' however, withdraw
haatxoPre"ion• The lion. Gentleman thettl‘leithbeeriotrum.
tiKeenn.t.
ti
man did
a age on the subject of te .
4 dicl needserhas believe in the doctrine of
the
r. NI. J. O'Connell) believed that it was admitted.
good works-
f -Poorer clasaes of the Irish people este Fec'ulia:-oh,ey absent
ri.e7PeltY theft. If their doctrines were not of a aialpt•snist
re'VeY would this result be :hewn? At any rate the,
,e were not so d as the CODS ituents of tee Hon. Member
lafreeai'li".,for they had never worshipped a maniac as the second
aIINIara•oI'LIJMPIRE inquired if the doctrines to which he had
Pun4-„‘" were not taught in Maynooth, why they were not ex-
ed from the hooks there ?
testa' MILNES, as an English gentleman and a
clo'rtior-,
anent,'4t would express hit aces Orkin, hang paid deduce ,„°,l to thia subject, that arguments that could be
tri4 On
passa•res in the t-xt books of Mavnooth oughti not
The ibrQught in connexion with the measure.. before the 1 ou•e.
Ans,rritastruction given in Maynoeth was similar to that in loyal
Ai . :,,and most C.atholic countries.
leen.r GI'IGOT l' said that in answer to the assertion of the
aloetri entieman opposite (Mr. Colquhoun) that ultramontane
et 11.011,ne'' which exalted the supremacy of the Pope, were
a' 6 in M•ynooth, he would read a short passage Ricca
the evidence of the principals of that College,
'refe'rit
ibefore a Committe e of that House. He would
de g'
the evidence of the President, Vice-Pretshi-e
0,1 and Dean of the College of Maynooth, who were
an aniwelaersens chaeged with the die-cipline of the
doctrine,colle. las
tortraa..t° the question whether the Transalpine
in
Alaanollinguisned from Cisalpine docoenes, was inculcated
e..
lilied--‘:,°l°, Dr. Crolly, then the president of the college, r. Dre6i i It never has."—( Hear, hear.) Mr. Montague, vice
/air ro` ent, and now resident of the cillsge, was asked respee ine
ke:,:t'e la Long's OP-aet de Ecclesia which was a text bock at
fave°°th, and whether Dr. Dc la Long had not lectured in
If of the Transalpine doctrine. He replied that ne had not
atroro" pr. De la Long's leeture, but he knew that h was
tooicig, advocate of the Gallican liberties as any Frenchman
be 1.,e• B. ut he had heard Dr. Akeson lecture on
the
D tract.la
toe teclesia," and he was more vehement that Dr. e , tong against the ultramontane doctrine. The third person was
not '',
D° the
who said that the el- ram, ntane doctrine was
, ee .asieht
e Or Mete eeted, or eneouraeed at Mae, nooth
litl,nar, h,.. \
I, ' florin', read those extracts, he would leave the
eibrur,,aele Gentleman to prove his assertion.—( Hear, hear. )
Whieilel-QUHOU'N said that he admitted the statement
tie% had been made by the Honourable and Learned Gen-
r,o,ltaani.,, that the Professors said they dig not teach the
whichultra-
the ii....e doetrine, but the citations in the report from
~
deeea'nourable and learned Gentleman quot d, and the es 1-
Ile ~-,
,a(l,,duced. showed that such doctrines were inculcated.
nitiled"'tt'i° he ready at a future time to prove that, and he
DeaHeriourable and Learned Gentleman to that point.
tlaho,,- ' DINGTON said he recolleeted that a Mr. Col-
Cafryei
.tnaele certain Desertion, with respect to a R ••iiteihiti.
itiPeriL(' se °1 in Glasgow, which he believed was under
ma
de
to of the Town Council. The charges he m,a, el
'n to onsiderable indignation, and Mr. Colqiihouti was cadee
het Prove his statements ; but if he (Mr. Itedington) sec d-
Pasted olßhtlY, he failed to do so, and a vote of censto e wast
to nail orlhitm. Such ova= the individual who was so realty rea„itii,_ ne s 0 the mast.—( Hear, hear.) He had
stir.
at of an Irish kind, for he recollected that. a
ther t,-inn, a Member for Kilmarnock, made a chate
it aft_ ne national schools were taught by Ribbonmen, but
Air ',ry;ar,ls turned uut that he had his
they wrieei w
hom he met in a steamboat, who said that indeed
intemetion from a
de, were blackguards.—( Laughter. ) Why, what bettertelivain-
that
ofc,(:tild there be of the doctrines taught at 11.1aynoo2th
_.ie
/100. ne persons who had the direction of the college
done
trir,"
l'o4l Learned Gentleman aaid be would find t
Whoous led the
Ile,. Griee_ni,cated in certain books in Maynooth.
Locke ?
fr
aver} °"ernan be
of for every page ofr
ottaargument of Paley Would he answbe I
met with in
the u aocir's to 1-e found in all the authors to "or ail the
!irteo,„ndiveTsities of Oxford or Cambridge.—(
this sub-
Rue -„..,'"'„'th Pain to the debate which had arisenlu
upon this
that the
Heare, hear.) He
Ilei,---"-'neers.) He could assure Hon.
oleo a°, Catholic Members of that House permitted
,mmanty..
:4'es t 0 he uttered a ainat their religion without a
le
.p
dise,°.refute them because they were aware that re 'grills
cal,Zms tended t'o no good and Christian end ; and at ie.,
If 0,1 'les, if true, would be disproved by the actual state of.facto and thY oneahalf of the calumnies uttered against that religion,
Cat eedoetrines they were said to inculcate, were true, then
Chr;‘,r!lislien which was professed by the majority of the.
ti,eistian world, must be one of the
.woist systems of Chris-
re" morals ever heard of. That religion was in existence for
'1 centeries, and it would
ible astonishing that if it inculcated
stich doctrines that it shou
Present day.—(Cheers.) be so nourishing as it was at the
Sir H. PEEL said he saw with pain the discussion which
hadtt arisen, and it convinced him that that House as at present
r...,s,tj.teuted was ill suited for discussing questions of that kind.
ee,e'l
er,
,hear.) He stated before that her Majesty', Go-
iostrrsir re ;tad. eonside7ed whether it would he advantageous to
et e ari inquiry into the state of education pursued at
tooooth. They had read the report of 1836, and they came
lielL.l!° conclusion} that it was very improbable that any new
The` could be thrown upon that system by a further inquiry.
4,4.? ad 0 i cers appointed who were to visit the College once
to,fer7 and they were to (quirei into the management,
that, tirn,ee,nt,
sand discipline the College ; and besides
In ionoe Ord-Lieutenant had a power in addition of directing
Ile asoistrY into Its management, government, and discipline.
niso;"_rated Hon. Members who discussed the religious opi-
doetri_oet others to beware how they drew an inference from
the el!' s be found in books there —( Hear, hear.) He called
citistiLoention of Hon. Me h f. Kent'particularly to the
fito,,r threlZeint.lo thes Professors aetrMo4nooth when examined be.
that
that ,t;t.t,ts toners. The Professor. was asked, " are you
;the4t inornise' 'lice, in treating of promises, undertakes
.to. show
e, whet s are nut binding where the performance is impos-
°Neer e the performs nee is unlawful, where it contradicts a
Pte'.'en4ePZ'all.:,ise, where released by the promisee, and. where
,the
or way
errroneous, it was not (Paley said) binding irde etfira-t , rk et Pal The Professor answered that he had not.
tree
(al there
-,; In The `eY , but the same principles were
La tetls Collis
Coe, od we -go of Maynooth.—( Hear.) The Professor
agri':l of Ceiher certain not true that in the third
le ra'S‘,lbe Ait'ran punishments were not decreed
eitcCitloesaheo,Ronses, and that spiritual authority might re •
tle- ' Pel',,Ts of a Sovereign from their allegiance. What
14: question'h ssor of Dogmatic Theology say in answer tot
p° Not', , ' and what were the doctrines then taught a
hPet or ',it Ile said that, supposing the Council of the
1 ureh,
a, y other authority whatever in the Catholic
kid e t° their-
itiatic ss°3ned the right of absolving subjects from their al-
soj d their decisions
rse.°°sider th Soyereign, he would disregard
,i 'sald ~,,- e subject by no means free from the obligation—
a, met it hi-57 °illy disregard such an opinion but he would con-
i,ete corato., to resist it, and advise such of the. people
Ohk: their
,l,ed. to his care to do the same, and remain unshaken
t be tours gianCe. Let the House consider not
believed
tglto, itieult,at" d in certain hooks, but what the teachers ,
er Pats inculcate
eritheici!, and in this they would find nothing incom:
itote-ia duty he and
duty to God, their duty to their neiglibeula,
Ntri clause loot,heir Sovereign.—(Cheers. )
ea( j'. 111Nbirl'oe„ing proposed,
ties f , ' i moved that the Chairman report progress.
tilr, ° ' No „
th • LAW °, no. )
• 551) said he would not trouble the House further
lean
th Y ll" th t
tie ..'1 toile,'" a he was opposed to the principle of en_d7t-
Ilie."4111d at ee °I Alaynooth out of the Consolidated Fu I.
l'o-r:hePlY
ille te move that this clause be expunged from the
11se t
hen divided, when there appeared—
Attinitlitmendment
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kNes kajorite
r „tir Lein r ' .. '' :• ''''' , ''• we found
akitt ,L. cllNbig.„.e-autnitted to the gallery, .
. ''' th e-Y at the table, addressing the Chin-man. lie
Neil a e es 45. befor would appeal to Hon. Members whether he had nor.
tf 1„° Rot er,t,he amendment was put, and afterwards he had
eya:• la o„rt ''° sPeak to the question. Although he had ths
rather 111:nferiie tittle, he had yet failed to catch the Speaker's
than that this was a matter which regarded the House
Alt an hire„if
411 "EEN • •
o, Six E said he had certainly thought it right to
r'ller, Ile
1 hade Hon. Member who had the notice upon the
a„lr. lifNienot afterwards seen the lion. Member rise.
'•"0e, utEy expressed himself satisfied with the expla-
Oa pauseti4rw 11 being put,
ti ", he o,_ 'aid that, after the House had so recently el-
lathis -el:1;41d be contented with merely proposing to nega-
qr. lllrebt,
eepoarnbrid„Y, with great warmth, said that the false fire
k '''er hat he BEY,
deceived him, anti he should never trust any
terober at he thought of importance to any other Honourable
41 at'. H.
br,,,der to INGLIS wished to add a clause to this
.measure,
ta-Iht ie Prevent, in the event of a future Bill being
fo,_ those , the contingency of giving compensation
I,4td I,
lb Persons who had received from the Manooth
Le other fuer_period of thirty years ; and as he himself knew of
eietwolalaot
once of entering his protest against such a
.principle,
ed ' viotlici uFe bring in a clause ordering that nothing in the
to'elitl.tagese,4l,tittle ally person who had received the pecuniary
tti 01)11 co ising from this fund for a period of thirty years,
,t:i,, corl ttiPensation for any invested interests, supposing it
Ir R. 4V by this or any other Act.
teetted notvrt said he could not understand that anything
i, astlre. gut
ould bind Parliament in respect to any future
to Ziliela, if t.tit he could understand the possibility of a case,
hi With m e Legtslature had even resolved to have no more
like 4lf 'll
aYbooth Colleee, a professor who had conducted
aW°Uld; ahould be considered entitled to compensation.
tlle;'her % few the clause.
I,ciliaese ew Words from M. J. O'CONNELL, who opposed
f3rie ela'nse
•i the Was read a first time.
Liii.3 r. Laueation,..that the clause be read a second time,
with°ofLhe
siotAYite'et wa°l.4°ldljeirhEdritawE tebxeperelassuesde.a hope that the Right lion.
ti'tlotl ew words from Sir II INGLIS in reply, the
second reading of the clause was put and mega-
etc 'le r "6 a division.
kotiZort was then brought up, and ordered to be received
NeLti IN
, th It _....G, OF
ESTATES IN SCOTLAND.
tialr. 14,81,!?ti0n that the orders of the day be now read, tki,tlse Ire A,AIAULE said that before the adjournment of the
Rri'llt the to call the attention of the Right lion.
it4lil rob. 0 Secretary for' the Home Department, to a pare-
-4 i,,,,,,„4'11 he had seen in a newspaper that day, to the effect
tla:lt.Y of r, had been given to four hundred families, in the
th Leo
ittOs eotte,:,,,, t? quit their dwellings.—( Hear, hear.) These
N Of 2,06:r of five persons each on the average—making
The paragraph did not gate what the reason

for the notica was, but suggested that it might be for the pur-
pose of creating larger farm:.—( Hear, hear.) He hoped the
Right Hon. Baronet would bring the attention of the Lord
Advocate to the subject, in connexion with the proposed new
Poor law for Scotland.—( Hear. )
Sir J. GRA HAM said he had read the paragraph, and he
hoped that it had no foundation.—( Hear, hear.) The Lord
Advocate had instituted an inquiry. But the Right Hon.
Gentleman tnuit know, front his official experience, that he
•-ir J. Graham) had no power in the matter. lint, he must
say, that be cou'd not conceive any right that any landlord, or
any numb, r of landlords, would have to cause so much misery
—( Cheers)—and, as far as admonition on the part of the Go-
vernment could go, it should not be wanted.—( Cheers.)
Mr. F. MAULE was aware that the Right Hon. Gentleman
had no official awhority, hu he was sure that the declarati,4n
of the Right lion. Gertli,man in the House of Commons
would check the dispo,ition to effect ,tich removals.
The remaininl orders i.f the day having been disposed cf, the
House adjourned at Twelve o'clock.

RAI LW AY COMMITTEES.
(YESTERDA

Group V.
GRIMSBY AND SHEFFIELD JUNCTION LINE.
FRIDAY, FIFTH DAY. _ .

The Committee assemb!ed at twelve o'clock, when

Mr. Dv:scouwr addressed the Committee, and said that, in con-
sequence of a negotiation that was now pending between the parties,
he had every reason to believe that an arrangement would be made,
by which all further time and trouble would be saved ; and he
therefore now begged the Committee would be so kind as to adjourn
till Monday.
The CHAIRMAN asked, was there a high degree of probability that
such an arrangement would be made, or was it still an uncertainty ?
Mr. AUSTIN, on behalf of petitioners, said he hoped the Com.
mittee would accede to the proposition of his Learned Friend on
the other side, for he h,dno doubt but that a great deal of time
wound be saved by it both to the Committee and the public ; but on
the other hand if the Committee should r sc lye to go on, he was
prepared to Co so the end; but if they did the public would suffer
by it. . . .

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The CHAIRMAN said the Committee were also desirous to go on
if there was not a fair degree of probability that the arrangement
would take place.
Mr. AUSTIN said it was almost certain, at least there was a
fair degree of probability that such an arrangement wou!d
take place as would save all further loss r f time. In fact, what
they now had to dispose of were mere matters of detail, for there
was no difference as to principle. His own opinion was that the
Committi e might very safely adjourn to Tuesday next, if such would
be more convenient.

A Member of the Committee asked—Suppose they did adjourn
to Tuesday, and then found an arrangement had not been come to,
how many name days would be regMred ?
Mr. Autu'lt:—Not more than two or three days at the utmost;
certainly before the holidays.
The Committee, then, after a short conference, agreed to ad-
journ to Tuesday next at twelve o'clock.

GLASGOW AND EDINBURGH RAILWAY (BRANCH TO

ALLOA).
Group DD.
The Committee re-assembled this morning at the usual hour,
and immediately proceeded to business.

Sir T. PHILLIPS opened the proceedings by calling
Mr. Andrew Roy, brewer at Alicia, who stated that the present
population of the town amounted to 9,000 or 10,000 inhabitants.
The distance between Alloa aril Stirling was eight miles, and from
Alloa to the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway was about nine miles,
He was in the habit of sending his ales to every part of the coun-
try, and he considered that Alloa had a greater claim for a rail-
way, as far as goods traffic was concerned, than the town of Stirling.
Mr. Burrell, commission agent and magistrate at Dunfermline,
was then examined. He stated he was well acquainted with
the trade and maruixtures of Dunfermline. The principal
commodities dealt in were table limns and covers, and there
was also considerable traffic in shipping. The cotton was chiefly
obtained from Perth and Glasgow, and large quantities were con.
sumed. The goods when manufactured were, for the most part,
conveyed to London by sailing-vessels. Traffic was transmitted
every day, by carriers, from Dunfermline to Glasgow. If the Alloa
branch of the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway were made, he sliculd
send his goods by it in preference to any of the present modes
of conveyance!, and its construction would confer a considerable
benefit on that part of the country. If there was no branch to
Alloa, and a railway to StAling, he should transmit his goods by
cart to Falkirk, and from thence by the Edinburgh and Glasgow
Railway. He was acquainted with the fact that a railway was
projected between Alloa and Dunfermline, which, if made, would
afford a perfect communication with Glasgow.
The next witness called was Mr. Bullock, a farmer and grazier,
at Stirling. Ile had seen and examined the traffic tables i'put in
by the Edisiburgh and Glasgow Railway, and considered them cor-
rect. There were three trysts in the year at Stirling, at one of
which a cattle-fair was held, and the two remaining trysts were ap-
propriatt d to t•heeiemarkers.
Sir .noefes PHILLIPS then called Mr. William Marshall, of
Shores-due office, who stated that he had provided the data for cal-
culating the traffic tables, from which Mr. Anderson, an accountaw,
had prepared his estimates. The results had been gathered from
actual observation, way. bills, and other authentic sources.
Mr. Anderson, accountant in Glasgow, on examinatien, said,
that he had reckoned for the passengers traffic between Perth and
Stirling the sum of 4,7891, to which he had added a further
amount of 758/. for road money. The return which had been
made by the Scottish Central Railway for the passengers traffic was
nut correct. In the general goods traffic he had not included the
shipping trade between Dundee and Glasgow. He
had put down the amount to be derived from the
traffic in goods at 6,329/. The number of travellers who
went to the south of Stirling he had calculated at 123,262, and
tho-e who went to the north of Stirling, as far as Perth, at
43,272. The amount in tons of goods conveyed to the south
of Stirling was 24,534, and traffic to the north 19,249 tons.
The average rate per mile which would be charged for each pas-
senger was lti., and the total estimated revenue which would
result from the Edinburgh and Glasgow branches amounted to
15,163/. 10s. 91,
Mr. J. Wright, mining engineer at Dalkeith, was examined as to
the quality of the Fifeshire and Bannockburn coal-fields, and their
present means of conveyance to the neighbouring places. In his
opinion the line of the Scottish Central Railway was not conveni.
ently situated fur the transmission of coals from the localities he
had mentioned ; the peefercnce would be given to the Edinburgh
and Glasgow. Coals must be sold at 103. per ton at the pit's mouth,
in order to supersede the use of peat.
Mr. Ilorne, land valuer at Clackmannan, stated, in his examina-
tion, that the quantity of land necessary to be taken for the con.
struction of the Stirling and Alloa branches, inclusive, would be
163 acres, which , at a fair valuation, would be worth 19,9371.
Mr. Miller, civil engineer, was then called. He said he had
been engaged for many years most extensively in the construction
of railways. The original capital of the Edinburgh and Glasgow
Railway was 1,2130,00 m, but a considerable sum had subsequently
been expended. The returns had yielded a return of 41 and 5 per
cent. on the outlay. There were five different classes of
carriages used on the line, one of which was appro-
priated to the poorer classes, who were conveyed at
a charge not exceeding d. per mile. The Edinburgh and
Glasgow line forms a most unobjectionable trunk-line for the north
of Scotland, and equally accommodates Edinburgh, Glasgow, and
Stirling. The districts of Allots and Stirling are highly impor-
tant on account of the traffic which exists between those places
and the north and south of Scotland. The country around Stir-
ling is rich In agricultural produce and abounds in mineral waters.
Stirling would form the most convenient central point of rest for
different lines of railway to converge in. The line as laid out be-
tween Falkirk and Stirling was highly favourable, and was to be
preferred to the Scottish Central, owing to the comparative low po-
sition of the land through which it passed.

The examination of Mr. Miller was resumed by Sir T. PHILLIPS—
The line would greatly facilitate the communication between Alloa
and Linlithgow, and thence eventually to Glasgow ; and would pass
through a more densely populated neighbourhood than the Scottish
Central, which did not possess any advantages to counterbalance
these. The distance by the proposed line from Alloa to Edin-
burgh was 37 miles, and to Glasgow 31 miles. The length of the
Stirling branch is 14 miles, and the branch extending to Alloa is
4'2i miles.
The CHAIRMAN interrupted Sir Thomas Phillips in his examina.
tion, and stated that the Committee were anxious that the wit-
ness should procceed to give evidence as to the engineering capa-
bilities of the proposed line.
Mr. Miller's examination was then resumed—The branch from
its junction with the Glasgow and Edinburgh Railway proceeded
under the Forth and Clyde Canal, and thence passed through the
valley •f Canon, within a quarter of a mile of the iron works—
then avoiding a considerable ridge of country, it swept
round its base and reached Stirling by a curve. There were
no tunnels, and the gradients and radii were generally favourable.
The two severest gradients were 1 in 100 and 1 in 62. The
smallest radius of a curve on the main line was 60 chains, and,
generally speaking, there was no unusual engineering difficulty.
The cost of the construction of the works would amount to
211,000/. The working expenses bad been contemplated
at 30 per cent., to be arranged in conjunction with the main line.
The mode of junction wits the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway
is convenient, but the mode in which the two forks communicate
is not satisf•ctory, as it delays the tran,mission of tiaftic coming
from Edinburgh, and is in other respects inconvenient.
This witness was subjected to a long cross-examination by Mr.
HOPE on behalf of the Scottish Central Railway, but the main fea-
tures of the evidence remained unaltered.

Mr. Miller was a'so cross-examined in opposition, on the part
of Lord Dunmore, by Mr. WILDMAN, who stated that the pro.
posed line passed through more than two miles of his Lordship's
property. The evidence of the witness tended to prove that rather
less than a quarter of a mile of Lord Dunmore's estate was inter-
fered with, and the line did not pass within a mile of his mansion.

At the close of this witness's cross.examination Mr. Tasker
provel the assents and dissents for the Scottish Cenfr-il Railway,
and Mr. thigh proved the assents and dissents for the Edinburgh
and Glasgow branch lines.
Mr. AUSTIN then said that the case for the Edinburgh and Gins.
gow branches was closed.
Mr. COCKBURN, on behalf of the Scottish Central Railway, rose,
and said he should be able to prove to the satisfaction of the Com-
mittee that the landholders in the district through which
the Scottish Central line will pass had some time since
made a proposition to the Edinburgh and Glasgow Corn.
pang for a branch line to be made from their rail-
way to Stirling, but the Directors of the Edinburgh and
Glasgow Railway distinctly refused to have anything to do with
the formation of the proposed branch. Audit was only until the
circulars for the construction of the Scottish Central Line had
been issued, that the Edinhurgh and Glasgow Railway advertised
the S rmation of their branch. It was therefore clearly a matter of
rivalry on their part. He then proceeded to call his witnesses.
Mr. Galbraith proved that at a meeting of landowners, at which
Lord Dunmore and other influential residents were present, a pro.
position had been made by them to the Edinburgh and Glasgow
Company for a line to be made to Stirling, and that the answer
of the -Directors was, that they would decline making the line,
and that no steps would hereafter be taken in making the line with.
.)ut previously consulting the resident landowners.
At the close of the examination of this witness a messenger
entered, and announced that the Speaker was at prayers.
'I he Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock on Monday.

Group B.

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The Committee re-assembled at the usual hour this morning;
and proceeded with the evidence in the case of the
LEEDS AND WEST RIDING JUNCTION LINE.

Mr. Sergeant BELLASIS informed the Committee that he was
prepared with a large mass of other engineering evidence; but to
save the time and meet the views of the Committee he was instructed
to state that the promoters would be content to let their case rest
upon the evidence they had already given. Mr. Hawkshaw would,
however, be re-called to explain one portion of his testimony.
Mr. Hawkshaw accordingly explained those points, but they
were of no material importance. The explanation related to a
severe gradient lying between Elland and Halifax, and only went to
confirm what he had before stated, and what is already a well-as-
certained fact, namely, that a stationary engine is not now requi.
site or necessary for carrying heavy trains up steep inclines.

This closed the engineering evidence.
Mr. Benjlmin Cariss, a solicitor, at Leeds, had a general know-
ledge of the electors of the West Riding of Yorkshire, and could
state, from his own knowledge, that the majority of them were in
favour of the Leeds and West Riding Junction line. De was
engaged to get up the petitions in favour of the line.
On cross examination, he said he paid men 6s. a day to procure
the signatures of county electors to these petitions, and in the case
of burgesses and municipal electors he paid the men 4s. 6d for every
hundred signatures they procured.
TRAFFIC EVIDENCE.

Mr. AUSTIN suggested that, as the traffic evidence was common
to both Bills, would it not be better to postpone it until the Com-
mittee, agreed to the resolutions they would have to report to the
House, stating their reasons for selecting one of the two lines es
the beet f