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London, England, 1820-06-22 00:00:00

WELSH JUDICATURE COMMITTEE

'Sir CiI'W.:TON-lEli COLE and
were added to itie t:tnianaittej: •
THE QUEEN

The SPEAKER 'called i lir flame of Mr. Wilber-
force wheo he came to the Order in which it Storni
upon the Notice PAper, but the Hon. Gentleinan
was not in hislnce.

Tile utmost anxiety for !yearly a quarter of an
;lour was inanitegeil for ;Ile flow. alciutnt's as-

rival, it brine nearly an hour after [be cow.ne,,ce-
ment of the time fix-d for public business At
o'clock he etilered the House, To eceded by Air.
Brougham, and 'was loudly cheered as be I,,nk his
seat.

,Alr. Nrit.nrnFonci then rose amid lond cri' s of
Heb!r! and spoke as follows more 1 ired not
assure the House that I have no been back►;•a►d
'in the duty of my attendance at the roper hour
without some adequate cause.—Wear, heat
had not from circumstances the powtrof being
here earlier. Since the House separated last
night circus►st:ances have taken place which ten.,

&red it neees‘arst that I shitulch v4ry the form Of
the motion I intended. Anil consttft tina the

ri'.ns iropotrance of this most delica-te 'question,
and the imperative-neressi.y that I should avail
myself of the most deMieraie conlidentrioo to try
any effort that might avert'tbe fafal evil of ~ur
enteting into the rtiseussion of tire lothipv dif-
ferences, now prevailing, I now throw myself
again tipon the indulgence of the House, and en-
treat that they will excuse me so far as to allow
another day to elapse before they call upon me to
bring forward a motion upon this delicate ao dis-
tressing subject.—(Cries of No, intermixed with
repeated cries of Hear 0-1 am sure that what-
ever fedings m4y now opt rate in the breasts of
Members, they will do me the justice to
believe that 1 requite this further indulgence troth

the gravest motives, and that•tbey will atierwarda
bold me in contempt, if it sho-Uld.appeir.l called
for it upon-any temporary considerations, unin-
fluenced by the tuost set ions conviction of the ne.
cessityof the postponement on so vital an (nee'.
sipu.—(Elear, hear, bear !) .
' 'Lord CASTLEREAGH—I own, Sir, that I deeply
regret that any occasion has arisen to prevent the
liou'ouratile Member fur Bramber, fiom 'tno•ices
which he has not
_thought prorr to explain, and
whicts therefore are not betore the House, but
which it is easy to conceive are good and sufficient
reasons not now to bring forward the motion of
which lie yestetday evening gave notice, and to
induce hint to call' on me further to postpone that
proceeding, which, to point of form, V, Oldd DOC
have preceded the lionoorable. Member's moii to
on the present evening. I am- certainly lint de-
sirons of bringing on a diseussion which it is to
desirable, it possiole, to avert ; and I feel dispos-
ed, ilterefor.e, wi bout invring further into the
lion. Mclnnes's reasons, to give him the credit to
which, both on public 810 ou private grounds, he
is entitl,d, fur the gi avii y ut the motives by
which he is actuited-in the pursuance of the prin.
cipie recognized by the lionse—:namely, that,it is
most &sirable to avoid, if pi,sible, any further
pi oceeding on 11.). subject. Under such circom-
stances, I shoilld dep.art froin,t he vincipies by
which the conitoct of his M i jesi y's Goveriourot has
hitt,erto been. discoed, it 1 w-re to press the
House t-.) wi 'forward and decide on the otode in
which they will
,inquire - imi,, the ii:tormatiun
which has b?en laid, on the 'rabic, until every
fair •and reosonable ex-Redient has been adored
to prevent she Rt cessiry for that step. Witile,
howtster,.L t cattily accede to the Hot, Member's
request, I b..g to submit to his crinstd,ra•ioil tit
great }subtic e•il which arises lento ine existing
uncertainty and hesi:ation on this veition--.
(ileal' I)—and the expediency of avoiding every
.;clay, not absolutely necessaiy; that maybe cal-
colated to continue that agita too into which rho
public mind has been thrown, and which must
exist till the wisdom of Parham ynt shall deter=
mine on the comse which, on a view of all the
circumstances of the case, it may appeal most ex-
pediew to adopt—Olcar,.hear, hear 1)-1, these=
tole, submit to the Honourable Member's regiii=
sition ; but at the same tithe 1 conjure and en-
treat him not to iilow-any consideration whatever
to induce base to delay the proposition- which he
has to inake to the [louse beyond to-moriow—
(Hear, hear, hear !)--=-tor 1 '.ten slue that . the' evils
of further delay are incalcul,able.—(t-lear, hear,
hear !)—I am sure that, although it is most de-
sirable that, it possible, the [louse should be
spared the delicate and difficult duty of entering
into the. inquiry in question, and a 4 inugh 1 litt
lionse has so expressed its wishes, a delay beyond
to-morrow •vroold have a tendency under any eft-
cutustances to defeat the ishitct which ail parties
have so anxiously in view.—(Hear, hear, hear 1)
• Mr. WiLisettstouca-1 hope the Noble Lord
and the !louse will give me credit for not havirt
propost4 the postponement or this proceeding.ots
iight grounds. 1 cannot at present say any wing
NI-they on the subject ; but I will to-morrow ex-
plain to the House my reasons. . .
- Lord CASTLERCALM—I by 113 means wish to
press,..the 1-1911. Gentlemao fur an •imtnedia,ie
'explanation of his motives., which, I am per-
tsuaricn, are of Cue soundest and most suffii,ieut na-
ture. : , - •

Lord A. IJANnt.TON—Sir,- I AVISII to ash
tint?

Honottrable Member for Bra mbrr, w'►etbet or
nut he lias any ►►jcetion to Witt to ti►e 41(:!Itie

w!lat. is the pgiqr of the.motion which it is hit

intention to tiling forward to-toorrow—(Cries Of
No, no !) 1 cen as,tire.lionottruble tientlernen.
that I do 11)t ask this question out of idle curio-
sity, but because I wish to know the nature of
the 14wiattrable Gentletnatt! mntioo, with a view
to sl.lpe toy fiwn co, rte accortlin4iy, ns the an
svict t.O ,my tineviou may iudtme u to detelmiue,

if .1 do not approve of the Ilonnniable Gentle-
tnAn's molion, either to propose an amendment
to it, or to submit ti‘ distinct motion to tbe

House.

Mr. ‘VILBURFOIICE—My high respect for the
Noble Lord's character must always induce me to
afford him every gratification compatible with my
duty. I feel it to be inexpedient to say more on
the subject of my moliOn publicly, but I shall !slave
ob)ectioh whatever to converse with the Noble
Leird in privstr upon. it. What passed in the
I-louse yesterday evealing, anti its restilti,Arave
confirmed me in the determination to retrain from
entering into any previous explanation of the pre-
cise moose of my intended motion.
Mr. TIEIINEY-4 realty feet great difficolty, Sir,
in agreeing to This postponement—(Meat., hear,
hear !)--lt is, aat every
.point ot view, most de-
sirable that this nosiness SUciold hr
-terminated as
soon as possible-01CM hear !)--We are
placed in a slrinalion that appears to me to be,tm-
parall-elsd. To a Me•tage which his Majesty was
graciously pleased to seed clown to this noose
many days since, we answered by an Address, in-
timating that we would itrimedoitely enter into the
consideration of the matters to which that Message
referred, Accordingly, we (tid enter on Ow cows
sideration, but in econ.eqtienee id the suggestion
of a (lumber of Honourable Members, the (lis-.
cusSlou was adjourned tor Several days, in order
to give an opportunity for ascer:aloing whether it
rnis,sht not be practicable to bring: the affair to a
couclusion without tubber iiitel tereiu e. Tice
negotiations no the stihjt et- lasted for nearly a
ftoonight ; and the Noble Lord then came down,
declared that they find failed, laid on the Table 'ot
the House pope's explanatory of their trture, anti
gave notice that evening he wool propose
to resume the sospeodedconsideiation of his Ma-
jesty's Message: Now, however, another-0111 in-
dis idiot' Member—took op the subject, and.a fresh
.adjuitinmeiri was proposed, in order that he might
see what he cenild do. My Ni,ble Friend near ine,
thinks it very likely that he may feel it necessary
-to make a motion on the subject. Oilier...Honour-
able Members may also thiok it necessary to make
motions. In the mean whi:e, the consideration
of his Majesty's .11essage sleeps ; and the delay is
certaicly neither respectful to the Crown, nor ere-
.ditahle to this I-loose—(!-tear, hear, hear !)—I
think it lair, therefore, Sir, to.give notice, that be
the-cause of the delay what it may, or let it ori-
ginate in What quarter it may, 1 will to-morrow
.take the sense of .the f-louse on the propriety of
any foramr adjournment, it such should be pros
posed—(llear, her, hear ,
' Lord A. HAMILTON--I ako, Sir, beg leave to
give notice, that I will to-morrow move for the
production of the Odder in Coasted tinder which
tier Majesty's nsme was . erased from the Li-
turgy—(ble.r, hear, bray !)
Mr. littovousra—Sir, I rise to know if I rightly
Understand the Hon. Gentleman who has just now
postponed the motion tit which be yesterday even-
ing gave notice, and to state wily, it I do rightly
understand him, I think that the delay whico he
"'replies of a single day ought to he allowed, not-
withstanding the great public inconvenience and
evil which, in common evith my Noble and .any
Right Hon, Friend, I teal nins• result lions any
postponement of :tie question mud: r our consider.
Acton. It I lightly 'andel scaliti (tie Hun. Member,
be considers either the toop.ium of his intruded
)notion, or of any proposition which may arise
out of it, the only alteroative of a Frocertiing to
inquiry on the part of this Elunse.-11 this is
really the Hon Alember's impression, I really
think that the delay of a single day becomes of
less importance, since, according to, the Honour-
able Member, it his motion shotild not be ac-
quiesced in by the House, the inquiry most then
be comtue..ced: Feeling, therefore, as strongly
as any moo the importance of not unnecessarily
delaying the consideration of this question fur a
single•bour, I nevertheless cannot taut accede to
the Lion. islember's proposition. I trust,, how-
ever, that nu ci'rcionstaiice whatever will prevent
the lion. Member from proceeding to-morrow;
for I can assure the House that as much anxiety
is felt to ovoid delay on the part of her Al,:jeaty
and her advisers as can be felt in soy other quar-
ter whatever.--(Hear, hear, tear
Mr. SCAILETT-4 I correctly understand my
Honourable and Learned Friend, Lie thot orighly
agrees with the Honourable Member for Brant-
ber, that the success of that Honourable Mem-
ber's motion is only one branch of an alternative,
the other branch of which is the inquiry originally
proposed by the Noble Lord opposite. Sir,
cannot conceive that such is the state of the case.
111 my humble judgment, whatever may be- the
fate of the Honourable Member's motion, should
it be rejected by the House. I shall still think it the
sort of inquiry proposed by his Majesty's Mi-
nisters, and which is the only macsure that they
have called-upon us to agree to—ohe rshich it is
impossible that, conSisteutly with its duty, the
house can adopt.-s-:((dear, hear 1)—Iu. my opi-
alto), theretote, it by no means follows, as a ne-
cessary consequence of the rcjection of the Hon.
Member fur lirambet's motion, that we must ac-
quiesce in the proposition of the Noble Lord.
Mr. BROUG 1.1 AM--.AI my Hon. hod Learned
Frieud had no opportunity, •ur did not avail him-
self of any opportunity of expressing his opiition
in that which would perhaps bare been its right
place, he has been induced to state it to the
House now, and in a manner somewhat hasty, it
becomes necessary for me to set myself right with
my lion. and Learned Friend, and with the
house. Does it tollo a', Sir, from what I said
vsleu I last addressed you, that I think what I
have already characterized as un unconstitutional
proceeding, toner be the necessary consequence of
,`be rejection of a motion, which, for aught I
Snow, I nosy feel it my duty to oppose ? By no
means. What I stated was—not that I eeosi-
leied it as the alternative; but that' as the liou. ,
Cientienian seemed to consider it as the alterita-
live, and as he would theretote press his motion
to-morrow, the delay of a single day did not up-
pear to me to be (inadvisable.
Here the conversation was dropped; and, OP
or Lord CASTLEREAGH, the Order of
ty Day for resconi: g the adjoutord debate on the
is.ht's Message was discharged, and a new order
made ;or to-morrow (this day.)

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