The Sun.
London, England, 1827-02-17 00:00:00

EMIGR ATI ON.

Mr. HOME DRUIVIMOND presented a petition
from the Emigration Society of a place in the vicinity of Stirling,
praying for relief. The Hon. Gentleman observed, that the mem-
bets of this society consisted chiefly of persons employed in the
cotton trade ; but, as they were also used to agricultural occupa:.
tions, and generally of good character, they were, perhaps, as well.
fitted as any that could be found for an experiment in the way of '
erdigration.
Mr. MARSHALL presented petitions from the
Inhabitants of Rastrick and Overden, in the West _Riding of
Yorkshire, praying for assistance to emigrate.
The petition* were referred to the Committee as Emigration.
Mr: ABERCROMBIE presented a petition-from
Bandon, in the county of Cork, praying for Catholic Emanci-
pation.
Mr. CROKER brought up the Returns of the
Number of Officers of the Royal Marines Dismissed from the Ser-
vice without a Court Martial.

ADDITIONAL GRANT TO THE DUKE AND DUCHESS

OF CLARENCE.

On the Motion of the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, the House then resolved itself into a Committee
of the whole House, fin the purpose of taking into consideration
the King's Message respecting a further provision for their Royal
Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Clarence.
Mr. WILMOT HORTON having taken the
Chair of the Committee, read the Message pro forma.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
Addressed the Committee to the following effect ;---Whenever Par-
liament has been called upon to consider what provision should be
made for the due maintenance of the stations of the Members of
the .Royal Family, the consideration was mainly rested on the de-
gree of proximity which those Members have individually with
regard to the Throne. This has always been one of the elements
of that consideration. In the case of his late Royal Highness the
Duke of York, that principle was acted upon, even when he was
not so near in the order of succession to the throne as he was at the
period of his decease. Before his present Majesty came to the Crown,
and during the life of the late Princess Charlotte, an allowance was
made by Parliament to the Duke and Duchess of York jointly,
which was, in consideration of his Royal Highness's proximity to
the throne, larger in amount than the allowance made to the other
branches of the Royal Family. I may as well in this place state, for
the information of the House, what Parliament thought proper to
assign to the Duke and Duchess of York under those circumstan-
ces. The Duke of York then had a charge on the Consolidated
Fund, producing an annual income of 26,0001. In addition to
which, his Royal Highness received from the Irish Pension List
a further sum of 7,0001. yearly--making, together, an annual
income of 33,000/. The Duchess had a separate allowance of
4,0001. a year, which terminated at her decease. In the whole
they received jointly 37,000/. a-year. On various occasions, the
subject was brought under the consideration of Parliament, and
it was always held, that taking into view the relation his Royal
Highness bore to the King on the throne, his allowance was not
more than was fitting to his station. I will now state the situ-
ation in which the Duke of Clarence is placed. His Royal
highness has a yearly income of 26,5001. charged upon the Con-
solidated Fund. There is no allowance of a separate nature to
her Royal Highness the Duchess of Clarence. The whole income
they have conjointly is that sum of 26,500/. a year. Thisis some-
what more titan was assigned to the other branches of the Royal
Family, when their incomes were last settled by Parliament.--
The excess is '2,500/., and it was deemed reasonable that ?las
younger
brothers. The income he now enjoys is assigned
is
passed
nt by
various acts of Parliament. The first of thesetoAtactkse
Royal Highness should have that amount heyan htios
ryas
after
at an early period of the late King's reign
benefit survivorship,
amongst them in equal proportions,
in • should the proportion exceed 15,0001.
provided that, no case, 8 .
ahoi this
branches
t,
of
n the an n ui ty.
Royal
Family,O ,O 0010 t%
o- asbsee c,uirseddet
do
to each individual. When his late Majesty s decease took place,
his death.
the
there were six sons living. The share of each, therefore, was
gerßybrt
10,000/. On the death of the Duke.of Kent, the right of sur-
vivorship accrued to the other branches, and increased the amount
of their shares to 12,000/.. Under the provisions of that arrange-
ment, which was made in 1778, the Duke of Clarence receives
12,0001. a year. Ia 1806 an Art was passed, granting an addi-
tional income of 6,0001. a year to the younger branches of the
Royal Family, of which his Royal highness was then one. That
Act raised his annual income to 18,000/. By another Act, of
which I do not recollect the date, a special sum of 2,500/. a year
was given to the Duke of Clarence. Thin Act expired on his late
Majesty's death, but has been renewed during the present reign.
By that addition, his Royal Highness's income was brought up to
to the amount of 20,500/. When he married, a proposition was
submitted to Parliament list- an increased allowance. The sum pro-
posed was 10,000/. But that was deemed larger than it was fit
ting to grant to his Royal Highness, and it was reduced by Par-
liament to 6,000/. His Royal Highness considered that under the
circumstances of the case, he ought to decline the smaller grant,
and that Act, therefore, was not carried into effect. In 1322,
however, a proposition was made for giving his Royal Highness

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6,061.4 yett ,rty,k,.... DwiOsie ittaseaoe as was given at that tiaill
to thepOtelf*cilliatkaN,ld lilla' el Ak. 0 ridge. The H
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senteCtO it*Ttbi :10jd .111.10inilicY. and this addi-
tion ni3%,, 'vie ' . ''. ';/tit4filnefivhiii Phave Viefidlitaj.
ed, natit'elf,6 ~.. -: . Ontd.:j.nferm • the House- of a airman-
to
stance tiiit-pfcz
ness's inconiei!., tlntil:thettiVil List was settled,. Which could not
take place for several months after' the demise of the, late King,
the allowances granted by the Act of 1779 to the yottu,ger Manche,
of the Royal Familyintroducing
could not be paid, without a
considerable degree of.- technical confusion, as they were charged
upon the Hereditary Revenue. An Act was passed finally to
regulate the clue payment of the allowances belonging to these
Illustrious Personages, and that Act provided for' the continuance
of that portion of the Duke of Clarence's income Which had lapsed
by the death of the King. It contained a clause, securing to
his Royal Highness whatever benefit of survivorebip had bees
granted to him by the antecedent Act. ' The effect of thietneaeure
now is, that by the death of his Royal brother the Duke of York,
he comes into possession of an additional income of three thousand
pounds a year. By law, therefore, the Duke of Clarence is en-
titled to an annuity of twenty-nine thousand five hundred 'pbunda.
He now has the maximum of what he can receive under the
operation of the law pawed in the late reign: . I have thug ex-
plained to the House the amount and mode of the ineornii whisk
his Royal Highness enjoys ; but, as I said before; there h; no sepa-
rate allowance to the Duchess. The -question before the House is,
what it will be proper to grant their Royal Highoessesilit order
to place them, as nearly as Circumstances will permit,. in'the same
situation as the Duke and Duchess of YOrk, which 1 'intend to
move, with a certain differenee, which I Will State.- The Duke
of York had 33,000!. a year, •the'Dnebess'4,oooi. ;, inure whbla
e.hey had„jointly,. 37,000/. 'My - proposition this evening,' Is to
add 3,0001. to the 29,500/. now legally enjoyed' :1;1.'134 Duke„
making altogether for him. a yearly income
_of, 82,3002 • Wad I
propose further, a grant to her Royal Highness the Duels.. of
Clarence an annuity of 6,0001. during life. ' [A'rernark *a• hero
made by some Member on the Opposition, Benches l, 1 admit that
`.t is rather more, as the Hon. Member truly states ; but in looking
at the situation of the Duke of Clarence; we should bear in mina
that his professional income has always been lens than that of the
other branches of the Royal Family. • The Naval service, in which
his Royal Highaeas bad embiwkedist oerl, life; :wite littelttetiwiet
much fewer advantages than the Military, to which his Rollo;
Brothers had attached themselves; and in Consideration of that
circumstance he has always had an additional income of. 145004
.lly proposition, then, is a grant of 3,009/. a year to the Duke of
Clarence, and an annuity during life of 6,000/, to her Royal High-
;less the Duchess, I atn sure it is not necessary* I should.say that
I perfectly concur in the view taken by-this House, that -it is
snore consistent.with the dignity of the individual; and the sense
of propriety that has always governed thii Houst;' tari, *innards(
these allowances as grants niade tO the particular Merit:col-the
individual ; but as being exclusively :due., to . bieAtiih public
Indio!' ; in this instance, for example, tit: hit Royal ' Highnoofe
nearness to the Throne, and as the natural. result:of Alas same
f:;elings .of respect and affection towards the:' Monarchy, that
induced a just and liberal treatment of the different Members of
the Royal Family. It would he highly indecOroUs, if I were to
rest this proposition on a question of a personal 'nettire. But I
think I may venture to say, without departing from any principle
if delicacy.._or proptiety,or_yielating my sense-of -dity.to.the B-
Instrious House to which she now belongs, that-with respect to her
Royal Highness the Duchess of Clarence, though not British born,
•,!,e was es eminent for the graces of her mind, as for the virtues
that reflected lustre upon her private life. Sbe adds one to the
cirig list of distinguished ladies who have contributed to adorn the
auntry by the amenity and amiability, of deportment, and the
propriety of conduct she has displayed.—(Cheers: )—I hope I have
not gone beyond the correct point in having presunied to say se
much.—(Hear, hear.)-1 Will only say further, that of this propo-
sition the Duke of Clarence never heard till a copy of the King's
. .
\ Image was transmitted to him, after it was signed by his bla-
ipsty. If the Hons.?: should accede to the grant, his-Royal High-
ness will receive it with due gratitude. What struck his mind
with peculiar pleasure, and excited his approbation, was that part
of the provision which goes to place the Duchess, whoee moral
excellence he Can best appreciate, in an lionourablennffindepend-
ent state.—(Cheers.)--The Right Honourable. Gentleman =-
eluded by moving a Reeolution giving to his Majestythe power of
snaking the proposed. grants to the Duke and. Duchess of. Clarence
front the Consolidated Fund, viz. an additional sum, of 3,0001.
ve:•rly to the Duke, and an annuity. of 6,000/. toll)* Duchess,
luring her life.

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Lord ALTHORP regretted,: that ! in the present
;tate of the eountry,.such a Message as this had been sent down
to the House. If it had appeitred that his Royal Highneeewonld,
in conseqUence of the 'change of his situation, be put to additional
expences, it would have been just arid properto have added to the
Royal Duke's income. He .(Lord Althorp) agreed entirely with
the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer),
that on this question the personal characters of the Illustrious
individuals concerned ought not to be taken into Consideration.—
if that course was admissable, be was prepared to say, that, look-
ing at the whole conduct of his Royal Highness, his.retired and
domestic life, and rigid economy (Hear !), he was asenticheenti-
tled as any Prince that ever had an additional grant WaStOforther
eeneideration. But, for the sake of hie Royal Highness, and the
Royal Family altogether, he (Lord A.) thought it was most desir-
able, in the present state of the country, distressed as it was in
every part, with a revenue deficient to the extent of four millions
( Hear !), not to accede to the, Right Honourable Gentleman's
preposition.—(Hear, hear!)-=The House ought to have very
eood reasons before they voted away so large a sum of the public
;noney in addition to the other burthena of the country. The
itight lion. Gentleman had argued, that it had been the con-
stant practice to give a higher income to the Heir Presumptive
on his attaining that distinction ; and he had quoted the cue of
the increased income of the Duke of York when he was not so.
It was singularly unfortunate thr the Right Hon. Gentleman, that
uo addition was made to the Duke of York's income when ha ac-
tually became Heir Presumptive. The precedent, therefore, W"
not complete; but even if it was, he (Lord Althorp)' was con-
vinced it would be more to the honour of the Royal Family. and
Cie Lenefit of the country, and much better in every faint of view.
if, at this moment of general distress, the proposition had never
been made. lie regretted, also, for his own sake. that the Royal
Message had ever been sent to the House, because, feeling it to be
his duty, he had been compelled to gire utterance to these sen-
timents.
hadaihr•e.adiyitivoid
leiE6 began0
ay le)ay r o,
orenee, after his income had been raised to 18,000/. The lest
g-rant, too, w during to continue g„
0- additionallybserving
to the Duke of Cie-
that Parliament
• in the life of the Duchess, who
would then be in the same condition as the Duchess of Kent. The
House could not accede to the present proposition without violating
every rule of justice. Could they think they were doing their duty
to the country, in its suffering and distressed condition, if thee
voted 9,0001. a-year in addition to the income already poeseseect
by the Duke? Adding together all be derived from the public
purse, in different shapes, his income could not amount to lees
than 40,000/. Would it contribute to the honour of the Crown,
or tend to make the people more attached to the Monarchy, if
such an enormous expense was to be required for its support ? It
appeared by the official papers that the charges of the Civil List,
fer the maintenance of the state and pomp of:Royelty, enteunted
annually to 1, 7,0001. He (Mr. Hume) knew; that all tlsis
sum was, not consumed by the Royal Family; but it was un-
to Royalty.
doubtedly expended upon. the necessary
appendages''
rdsof 200 0001
The Civil I.ist of Scotland,' which .was upwards .
a year, was also at . the disposal, and -spent
paid service of
Royalty. Let the House again
wouldthe pensions. pze,
fion
ac-
count of the Royal -Family. They Pa in mace
statements, that, including all the payments made to. Prince Leo-
],o 1 the Duke of Clarence, • the Duke of •Cumbeeland, the Duke
,
eif Sussex, the Duke of Cambridge, Princess Augusta, the Duchess
of Gloucester, Princess Sophia; the Duke of Gloucester, 604
Princess Sophia of Gloucester, the total yearly charge for the
different branebee of the Royal Family was 234,506/. ; and if to
this sum was added the 9,000/. called for by the present pro-
Position, it would be raised to not less than 24500/. natl.
V:Ve of the whole ripeness of the Civil List. Was it
pod..
aible for the House, in contempt of all the petitions calling fur
e.'onomy and retrenchment, to proceed in this wasteful and ruin-
ous career? Sure he was, that no other alsembly in the world
would turn so deaf an ear to the prayers of a miserable people as
ti-at House did. The Hen. Chairman (Mr. W. lIorton) had, ou
the previous evening, alluded to the contents of a petition from
H
Elickburn. He:(Mr. ume).had presented
it, ma remembered
it even. It represented itself to he the petition"
of the " Starving
Weavers of Bitiollinrii." It stated that th
ousands of their fellow-
workmen, with their wives and hat- died, and were
perishing of hunger. They prayed for a sufficiency of food, if it
were of the vilest kind. Yet, • d of these
instead of answering the call
wretched people, and other bodies 11
equa..y distressed at
Manchester, and indeed through a the Country, the
great extent o
House were .asked to sanction a pro • f • ing the al"
positton. for: maces
lowances
. to the Royal Family, without a shadow of reason in
its justification. What, besides, was the state of the revenue?
There would this year he a deficiency of fide millions, evezt
with the Loan from the Bank,- though he supposed the Sinking
Fund would still
be upheld. No man knew better. than he did
the kind and charitable disposition of the Duke of Clarence. He
believed that his Royal Merest really felt -for the distresses,
which by his acts be shewed.himself anxious to 'palliate. He be-