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raised by taxes and expended in the 'public servicej if they
foci ci that they derPmdtio b.tensllile adviintage from such ex- •
Oendittire, they woilld be More likely to become discontented
*ith the state of thingeunder which they lived. than if a por-
tion of that expenditure was devoted to their recreation:
Therefore, there was a (bauble object Obtained as tegarded the
humblip classes of society by thrbwing Open these Institutions.
Piritc it tended to a general refinement of manners ; and,
Secondly, it gave them a direct participation in the advantages
derived from the expenditure of the public money.—( Loud
cheers.) He did not agree with the Honourable Genile•
man in thinking that any advantage would be derived
from opening such Institutions as the National Gallery on a
Sunday. Hy thought it would shuck the religious feelings of
the people, and justly shock those feelings ; he himself had a
great objection to opening such Institutions on a Sunday ;
besides, surely, the officers of those Institutions, who laboured
hard for six days a week during eleven months in the 3 car,
were entitled to have the Sunday to themselves. It had been
Mid that they might be hldsed during the hours of divine ser-
Irk+, and Open the rest of the Sunday ; but it would be almost
impossible to ascertain what the hours of divine service were.
It might be said that supernumerary attendants might be eat-
ployed on the Sunday, and the regular officers might be absent ;
but the stiperntinteraries would never have the confidence of
the superior officers of the establishment. He trusted the
lion. Gentleman wonld withdraw his motion. He thought
that the reading the discussion which had taken ; lace, and more
especially the reading the evidence taken before the Com-
mittee, would have the effect of doing away with the jealousy
ithieh existed in the minds of some of the cathedral
authorities against the admission of the poorer classes
on the groun of the damage they might do.— ( Hear,
hear.) Now, he (Sir Robert Peel) did not believe that
the poorer classes were inclined to do such damage.— ( Cheers. )
The vulgar rich were more likely to do damage than the bundle
artificer (Loud cheers)—and the evidence taken by the Com-
mittee proved that such was the case, and that persons belong-
ing to the poorer classes were uniformly well behaved.—
(Loud cheers.) He felt bound to say that, in many instances,
the institutions in this country were thrown open in a more
liberal manner than the institutions on the Continent, in proof
of which, he would appeal to the evidence given by Mr. Gray.
He thought they would better advance their ends by appeal-
ing to the reason of the parties instead of attempting to force
them by peremptory command on the part of the Executive.
Mr. MACKINNON hoped the Hon. Gentleman would be
induced to attend to the recommendation of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, and withdraw his motion.
Mr. CO WAR thought it would be well if the Government
were to make a small grant of money for the purpose of the
lower classes being allowed access to the different cathedrals; for
he felt convinced that the feeling actuating the Chapters in re-
fusing admission was one of pounds, shillings' and pence only.
He thought the buildings themselves showed that the intention
of the founders was to produce an effect upon the minds of
persons visiting them, and that the intention of the founders in
building naves and aisles in the different cathedrals was that
the people should have free access to the building, in order that
they might be impressed with that feeling of awe which ought
to possess persons visiting such a place. He felt sure that it
was never contemplated that the people should be made to pay
an entrance fee. He thought that there were not sufficient
places of amusement provided in this country for the poorer
classes.--( Hear, hear.) The most uneducated found pleasure
in visiting the works of art, and when they visited such places
they generally acted with the utmost decorum.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. BERNAL said the poor, hard-working mechanics of
Spitalfields, and other parts of the metropolis, could find no
time on any other day but Sunday to visit any place of inno-
cent recreation. How was it possible for him to do so? He
(Mr. Bernal) would support a motion for opening those places
on a Sunday. Why was Hampton Court Palace open ? Why
did they refuse the same recreation to the hard-working man
in the town which they granted to the suburban resident ? He
thought they were tampering with religious subjects, in re-
fusing this motion on such a ground,
Mr. ESCOTT thought it was very possible that the feelings
of the people might be opposed to the idea of opening these
places on a Sunday; and he thought if they did open them un-
der those circumstances, that they would be effecting a change
which the people themselves might not like. He (Mr. Escott)
was of opinion that it was the duty of the Government to pro-
vide healthful and innocent amusement and recreation for the
people, and it was with that belief that he must say he cordi-
ally concurred in the motion of the Hon. Gentleman opposite;
at the tame time he thought it would be well that the feelings
of the people should be more formed upon the matter before
passing this motion.
Mr. C. BULLER thought it was very necessary that health-
ful recreation should be afforded to the people. He must com-
plain of the manner in which the people were excluded from
the Parks. Let them look for a moment at St. James's Park.
Here was an order that no persons carrying bundles should bo
allowed to go through that Park, and persons who were not
well-dressed were not on any account allowed to enter; or if
one did get in, he would not go far before he would meet one
of those myrmidons of tyranny in Lincoln green, and be turned
back.—( Cheers and laughter.) His Hon. Friend was coming
through the park the other day, and he had a petition ard a
quantity of papers in his hand, these he tied up, and they
formed a bundle. Well, his Hon. Friend was met by a fellow
in Lincoln green, who ordered him to turn out ; they argued
the matter together on general principles for some time, and
his Hon. Friend found he was getting the worst of it—
( Laughter.) He then told him who he was, and the
keeper, with the fear of the Inquisition before his eyes,
allowed him to pass.—(Renewed laughter.) They
would not allow little boys to play leap-frog, or any other
game ; and Would it believed, that sleep, which had hitherto

fact, there was only one session since the passing of the Act.
He proposed then to bring in a Bill which should continue the
existing law, but not to a period longer than was originally in-
tended. The law would expire, as originally intended, at the
end of the nest session. He did not mean to propose a single
iimeridthent, although those gentlemen who acted on the Gene-
ral Committee of Elections had some amendments to propose.
He would not say a single word further, than to propose a Bill
to continue the operation of the Act for the trial of contro-
verted elections to the end of the next session, the period ori-
ginally contemplated.
Lord 'IA HON said that he certainly had intended moving
a > amendment ; but the Right Hon. Baronet's proposal was so
modified by his limiting the duration of the Bill to one year,
that he would withdraw his amendment. He hoped the subject
would be brought on at an early period next session, so as to
afford time for a full discussion of it.
Mr. SHIEL said that, being a Member of an Election Com-
mittee, he felt the loss of a legal person very much—(Hear,
hear)—when questions of law arose ; and he thought if the
Masters of Chancery were appointed to preside as'assessors, it
would be a mist useful addition to the present tribunal.
BANNERMAN said that he was a Member of the
Committee to which the Right Hon. Gentleman alluded, and
he did not think anything more than common sense was re-
quired to decide the points which were raised.
Lord G. SOMERSET said that as the Hon. Member for
Kidderminster, who was a lawyer, and the Right Hon. Gentle-
man himself were Members of the Committee, he did not see
what need there was of any legal assistance in that instance.
Sir R. PEEL said that he had no doubt that the jurisdiction
ought to be kept in the hands of the House ; but as he did not
intend to discuss the question, he would not enter upon it then.
After a few words from Alt% SHIEL, in explanation, leave
was given to bring in the Bill.
CLERGY RESERVES (CANADA`

Mr. Sri lEL moved for an account of the proceeds of all sales
of the clergy reserves in Canada, and of the amount thereof
invested in the public funds in the province of Canada, or in
the public funds of Great Britain and Ireland, and of the
annual interest and dividends thereof. Account of all rents
arising irom the clergy reserves that have been demised for any
term of year., and of the amount of the annual fund directs d
to be formed under the Act 3 and 4 Vic. c. 78. Account of
the annual stipends and dividends which are payable out of
said annual fund, and were assigned and given to the clergy
of the Churches of England and Scotland, and to any other
religious bodies or denominations of Christians in Canada, and
to which the faith of the Crown is pledged; distinguishing
such religious bodies or denominations of Christians, and spe-
cifying the amount payable to each respectively out of said fund.
Account of the application and appropriation of the said annual
fund, to the Churches of England and of Scotland, and of the
application of such part thereof as the Act 3 and 4 Vic. di-
rects the Governor of Canada to apply to the purposes of public
worship and religious instruction in Canada; distinguishing the
religious bodies and denominations of Christians, to whose
public worship and religious instruction such annual fund shall
have been applied.
Lord STANLEY said he had no objection to the motion of
the Itght4Hon. Gentlemen.—Return ordered.

been considered certainly an innocent way of passing the time,
had been prohibited? An Hon. Friend of his the other day
went in and fell asleep on a bench; he had just began to nod,
when out darted a fellow in Lincoln green; and poked him up
with his stick ; " You mustn't sleep here, Sir,' he was told,
and his Hon. Friend lost his nap.—(Laughter.) He (Mr.
Buller) had just mentioned these instances to call the attention
of the House to the regulations of that Park.
. _

Lord LINCOLN said that the park-keepers were not in-
structed to exclude persons from the Park who were not vvell-

dressed. The only instruction was that a working-man in his
working-dress should be excluded. The order with reference

to sleeping was issued in consequence of the numerous applica •
tions which had been made at the police-offices, in consequence
of destitute persons who had no homes to go to, spending their
nights in the Parks, much to the annoyance of tlse respectable
portion of the community. In future, if the Hon. Gentle-
man, instead of taking up the valuable time of the House by
such representations as these, would mention any suggestion
he might have to make pointedly to him (Lord Lincoln), he
would endeavour to meet the Hon. Gentleman's views.

Mr. C. BULLER did not see why he should be told not to
bring a matter of this sort before the House. It was the duty
of a Member of Parliament to reform abuses, and he (Mr.
Buller) should vindicate his rights.
Mr. LABOUCHERE hoped he did not understand the
Noble Lord aright, when he understood him to say that per-
sons in their working dresses were not allowed to pass through
the Park. He himself could not see the slightest objection to
admitting persons in their working dresses.
_ .

Lord LINCOLN said such was the regulation, bat he had net
altered the law of the last Government.

Dlr. I'. BORTH WICK thought that no cathedral or places
where works of art were placed, should be shut up from the
public. He trusted the Hon. Gentleman would not press his
motion to a division after what had been said by the Right Hon.
Baronet at the Head of the Government.

Mr. CURTEIS thought the manner in which Westminster
Abbey was shut up from the public was calculated to bring the
Dean and Chapter into disgrace. He hoped they would follow
the course that had been pursu€d by the Dean and Chapter of
St. Paul's, and remove the barricades that prevented the public
from viewing the building.
Mr. HUME replied. He thanked the Hon. Baronet for
tk.e expression of his opinions, as they would go far to establish
the object he had in view. He begged leave, therefore, to
withdraw the motion.—Motion withdrawn.
SCHOOLS OF DESIGN.
Mr. EWART then moved—" That it is expedient that the
Government School of Design be formed into a Central Nor-
mal School, for the instruction of teachers of design, in coin-

munication with other schools of design throughout the coun-
try ; and that the general recommendations of the Committee,
which reported on this subject in the year 1836, be adopted."
This was a subject of a kindred spirit to the one that had been
just disposed of, and he trusted it would meet with the sanction
of the House. He thought the Government should give as much
encouragement as possible to the establishment of provincial
schools for the study of the arts. He did not say that they
should establish them, because he should object to placing such
power in their hands, but they should be favourable to their
establishment.

1)r. BO WRING said he had very great pleasure in second-
ing the motion. He was happy to believe that a decided im-
provement had taken place in reference to this subject. The
institution of a school of design reflected great honour cross
the late Government, although it must be admitted that it was
decidedly inferior to many similar schools in other countries.
France afforded the most remarkable examples of the beneficial
effects of the application of art to manufacture. In Lyons
there were between five and six hundred persons who were
receiving artistical instruction for the improvement of
manufactures.

Mr. GLADSTONE said he believed every recommendation
which could be adopted by the Council of the School of Design
in reference to this subject had, in fact, been adopted. There
were five places, he believed, which the Council had already
fixed upon as proper places fir the establishment of schools of
design. Those towns were llancliester, Norwich, Birming-
ham, York, and Coventry, and the Council were considering
where it would be proper to make up the number of six.—
(He ,r, hear.) The Council had had great difficulty in finding
suitable teachers for the schools, from the circumstance that the

application of art to manufactures was in a great degree novel in
this country. He thought it would not be expedient at pre-
sent to adopt the motion.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the subject was one which de-
served the most serious attention of the Government, but he

regretted that his Hon. Friend had brought forward the motion
before the Report of the Council had been laid upon the table.
He fully concurred with his Hon. Friend as to the importance
of having efficient normal schools. He believed that in addition
to the male department, the females were now receiving efficient

instruction.
Nlr. WYSE, as one of the Council, begged to make one
or two observations. The progress made in the first
year of the School of Design was by no means rapid. The
Council had endeavoured to ascertain whether there was any

want of interest on the part of the country generally in re-
ference to improvements of this description, and it was found
that there was every desire to take advantage of opportunities
of improvement. The art of design, he was sorry to say, was not
sufficiently cultivated in this country as a branch of education.
He hoped, however, that in time the subject would be taken
up. Ultimately he had no doubt that we would be able to
compete with foreign countries.
Mr. WILLIAMS approved of the motion. From the
establishment of schools of design throughout the country,
beneficial effects would result to every branch of our manufac-
tures. He regretted the want of confidence that existed among
the upper classes in the taste for our designs. He maintained
that the English designs were superior to the French, which
were unhappily preferred to them. lie trusted the Vice-Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade would see the necessity of doubling
the number of towns in which schools of design were to be
est ablished.

Mr. GALLY KNIGHT could assure the Hon. Gentleman
opposite (Mr. Williams) that the Council of the Central School
of Design was as anxious to give the subject its support and
countenance as the Hon. Gentleman.

Mr. HUTT, as a member of the Committee of 1836, heard
with great pleasure the expressions that fell from the Right
Hon. Gentleman the Vice-President of the Board of Trade on
the subject. It was with much satisfaction he learned the in-
tention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to follow up the recom-
mendations of the Committee on the sabjeet.
Air. E WART'S object had been to see that the recommen-
dations of the Committee on the subject were carried
out. He was satisfied at the declarations that bad been made
on the question, and it was gratifying to him to perceive that
there was a progress being made, and that in the right direc-
fion. He would, therefore, beg leave to withdraw his motion.
Motion by leave withdrawn.
CONTROVERTED ELECTIONS.
Sir R. PEEL said he would not preface the motion with
which he would conclude with more than three sentences. On
the .2a of June, 1841, an Act had been passed to amend the
law respecing controverted elections. Its duration was to
be limited to the two sessions that elapsed after
the then approaching general election. One of those sessions
bad scarcely lasted more than six weeks. That was so short a
eriod that there was no opportunity during it of appointing a
ngle Election Committee. All the petitions were, in conse-
quence, postponed to the present session, so that, in. oint of

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