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Pcnlement, if carried now; Would be to raise a debate
ti'Pnn Church leases. If the question of Church
,eases was to be decided, let it be decided by a Bill
Drought in fur 'the purpose, and nut incidentally by a
clause in the Sourawark EnprOvement Bill. The Ilouse
make the taw general if it pleased, but he trusted
they would i.ot, fur the sake of encumbering a
reticular rut asure, insert a clause deciding a great
Pnbtic prine4le. He felt bound as much to oppose the
741)titm- of his Noble Friend for delaying the subject us
rnotion of the Hon. Member for Berkshire for the
Ititivhketion of the clause.
oti-the motion that the clause enacting that persons
P6ssossing Church property purchased under the Bill,
t9tdd receive compensation, stand part of the Bill, the
or4Le on the Bill was adjourned, on the motion of Lord
m Soerset, and the clause ordered to be printed.
!4,STON ;SUPER-MARE IMPROVEMENT BILL.
On the motion of Mr. MILES the Weston Super-
Attire Improvement Bill was read a third time.
I'IEL PIER BILL.
mlhe Pict Picr Bill was read a second time.
COMMITTEES.
c''Mir. LOCKHART moved that Mr. Forbes be added
`•`!. the Committee on the Inchbally Road Bill.
\l r. GREENE opposed the motion as contrary to the
Venvral practice of the House.
Mr. LABOLCHERE also condemned the motion as
departure from established practice.
• After a few words from Lord G. SOMERSET, the
motion was withdrawn.

ELGIN BURGHS ELECTION.
The SPEAKER informed the House that he bad re-
!eived a communication from the agents for the peti-
!Nine% complaining of the late return of a Member
1 for
:Elgin district of Burghs, that it was not their inten-
te proceed with the petition.
riclis OF MOTION—THE CHARTER.
Ur. T. DUNCOMBE gave notice that on Monday the
44 of May he would present a national petition, signed
113, tnore than three millions of in e .ndustrious classes,
4,
,M:our of the People's Charter, and that on the fob.-
' dtty he would move that the petition be taken into
;17:Ifilderation, and the petitioners heard by Counsel or
:7'their agenta.
:Ur. WALLACE gave notice of his intention to
11'(
-)ye that the Income-tax should not be proceeded with
until the, tariff had been discussed.
iir. Hurr gave notice that on this day fortnight
llauld call the attention of the House to the borough
t°4l;istracy of the country.—(Loud cheers.)
EMIGRATION.
r Ur. MAXWELL STEWART wished to put a ques-
,Pa to the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colo-
"es on the subject of emigration. He had been en-
sis, tedwith the petitions of many thousand persons who
..,were unemployed at home, and who were anxious
proceed to the colonies, if they could find em•
tovinent there. They had heard that the demand fur
bo.ur in the colonies was very great in comparison with
2},t' demand in this country. He hoped that the
r able Lord 'would state, first, whether in the
e('lonies there was a great lack of labour, and
.whether labour received remunerating wages ; and
Whether there was any intention on the part of her
lajesty's Government to facilitate in any way the means
▪ transport from this country to the various colonies.
4,4t1 putting these questions, he did so with reference, not
*e those who were unwilling to go, but to thousands of
,Volunteers who are anxious to go if they could obtain
ell'Ployment.—(Hear.) He wished also to know
.ttliether, in the case of the other colonies, the
(P4,,nt„ 'plan would be adopted as had been with
'etfterice to the Australian colonies, namely, that of ap-
-IYing the proceeds of the sale of land to the purpose of
tiefre3ing the expense 'emigration.
Lord STANLEY, who spoke with his back to the
''s.4▪ Itere, and in so low a tone of voice that we
hardly catch his sentences,, was understood
•',7• say that the question of the Honourable Gentleman
a mo,t, important one, and he trusted that
~rre Mouse would, in consideration of its importance, al-
him to give not only a direct answer, but a some-
,"hat detailed one. The first question of the lion. Gen-
ll'emari was, whether there was not, at the present time,
!I great demand in the colonies of Great Britain for ex-
;:hei ve employment of a large number of emigrants. I.le
1-!I;otild put the West India colonies out of consideration
altogether, as the question to consider referred to AuS-
tridie, end the Colonies in North America. For the last
vcars the Froduce of the sale of land had been ap-
riesi to the purposes of emigration, which had principally
:en under the superintendence of the Government. HIS
'Oble Friend who had preceded him in the Colonial-
'Lltiee• knew that there had been about 40,000 emigrants
71 out since December 1840, at a cost of 900,0001. (as
tl' Ufiderstood). During the last year the actual amount 2
,aligTat ion to the colony of New South Wales had been
it 4,4). By the last accounts received from the Governor
oePpeared that 12,750 emigrants had arrived, and that
I
Mmore O were on the road. These 12,750 had in-
11:)ived the colony in a debt of 11,0001., and what
be the distress occasioned when they found there
.• ere 10,000 more coming out',? The Governor stated
Iflat at that time there was no demand for
40er in the colony, but that on the contrary
`there existed the greatest difficulty in providing labour
' those immigrants who had recently arrived there.
statement
Stanley) felt it to be his duty to make this
Present
thus publicly, in order to show that at
nesent there was no demand for labour in that
and that emigration could not be pushed beyond
„Frain.point, unless capital emigrated likewise, and if
41,ittil did not emigrate, those who emigrated without
1,,'
riTPerty would be exposed to the greatest distress.--
'ear( hear.) He did not mean to say that the present
'late of distress in New South Wales was likely to be
tralanent. On the contrary, he believed it would only
land temporary ; that it arose from the cessation of the
; sales for some time past, which had ceased in conse-
erare of the commercial embarrassments of the
,I",caly. He believed that the colon would be
to absorb a continued stream of emigration,
vrovided they did not attempt to pour in too many
emigrants at once. It was the opinion of the Governor of
the colony that the colony was capable of receiving an-
kially from eight to ten thousand emigrants; the House
,
nuld, however, perceive that to send out twenty-
thll'o thousand annually, more than double the num-
' 'l• the colony was capable of receiving, must in-
;s occasion great distress among those emigrating.
,Ith respect to the colony of Van Diemen's Land, he
at the present moment, in his hand, about 1,500/.,
Produce of the land sales in the colony, which sum
~:•e:ld be devoted to the purposes of emigration. The
,1/4-Ttly was capable of receiving about 1,500 persons
tr,,•% course of a year, and that number had already
ser,rated thither in the course of the present year. With
th"l'd to Western Australia, he ought to beg pardon of
e house for going into such details, merely in answering
i,,,bestion---(Cries of " Go on")—but it was a most
y,ortant question.—(llear, hear.) With regard, then, to
::kl_,estern Australia, the colony was a very small one,
t" was not capable of receiving emigrants to any great
~twetlt- He believed, however, that the colony was
::tt,thg on steadily, and that there was a demand for labour
capable of absorbing annually about two hundred
-I,,,'"lgrants, and that number were already on their
all there. In consequence of the disastrous state of
I;u4til Australia last year the land sales in that colony
,i.kt} entirely ceased, and in consequence of the
ration
of the large Government expenditure fur
Leblie works, the extravagance of which had
Z;eatly conduced to produce the existing state
distress, -:so many persons had been thrown
4t of employment, that out of' a population of 15,000
o:11s 1,200 were living as paupers, being maintained
\vt. of the public funds, from want of employment'
bait
respect to the colony of New Zealand, he belies,. d
- • Mt the Australian colonies it afforded the most reason-
ht „ ProSpeCts to the He would refrain
ILae present moment from expressing any ()pillion as to
ilia`..'se settlements which were under the control of the
ittly Zealand Company, as they had more means of
tiow:
what , the resources of those employed there
eat be than he had. He had now stated the case of
.:1,70 Afferent Australian colonies. With respect to the
rth American colonies, the case was rather different,
thezluse the Government had no funds there for
„.:th! • purposes of emigration. In those colonies
proceeds of the land fund had been paid over
`,i•i„ the local legislature ; on the whole, he beleved the
7th American colonies held out a favourable prospect
'4A,„ ealployment to emigrants. With respect to Canada,
thoughht that experience showed that it
Ne likely to become a scence of profit-
employment to the emigrant. It was
;that, in many instances, the emigrants had suffered
!ely, but he would earnestly recommend all who emi-
, (7„ 41ted to place themselves under the Government Agents
e diffirent colonies, who were the best calculated
,
itiilltorm them where the greater quantity of empioy-
tekt't 'was to he found. With respect to the subject of
Igtatioll to Canada, although their condition last year
favourable, many had suffered from the severity of the
l:lther, but those were chiefly weavers and persons who
4-ce not in the habit of working at out-door employment.
ithskllY of them, who had not found employment, had been
VPorted by private contributions. At the same time,
fit,,ttmst say that this class of men, were not likely to form
le,t°,erable settlers ; they were likely to be exposed to
h(,,,"bips in ;the early stages of their settling. He
tLq,i'lled he had fully answered the question of the Hon.
-...4!leMare—(Hear, hear.)
•Okte P.M. STEWART thanked the Noble Lord for
Ati4ll answer he had given to his question, and on
Atri Part of the unemployed weavers of Paisley, lie
e;ht it would tend to remove any prejudice they
, 8"t have on the question.
POOR-LAWS.
te4lt• T. DUNCOMBE asked if he might be permittei
to 11,14 a question to the Right Hon. Baronet, the Secre-
. ',Home Department. The Right lion. Baronet
511„ stated, that immediately after the Easter recess he
1,(0d. 41 introduce the Poor-law Amendment Bill. lie
•Ntr to ask on what day they might expect to see it
eaecd?
Aft;' 'T- GRAHAM said he had not fixed immediately
tattt Easter for. bringing en the subject. The same
had been put by another Hon. Gentleman 0p-
,1.•%, ? '‘. and he should give the same answer to the pre-
Vti (-ete, that as soon as the business of the House had
e Some reasonable progress, he should bring in the
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411 SYRIA.
L'lot• BOW-RING said, in the interests of humanity,
',44d.a question to put to the Right Hon. Baronet, as
employment of irregular Arnaut troops in Syria
rei,rr he Turkish Government. Their former out:
!,• t 0,114, had already been the subject of representation
'l/4,S,Ze despatches of Lord I'onsonby, and those who were
)g.itt7,, lilted with the country could not contemplate their
Nlikfi*ed employment without alarm. He therefore
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to know if any despatches had been received
ItiAlGovernment on the subject, or if any measures
s'
-‘'Teri taken by them to avert this great calamity ?
,`
IL PEEL said that he was glad to find he had re-
-1;41 eel ice of the intentions of the Hon. Gentleman, and of
~,allant Commodore opposite (Sir C. Napier) to put cer-
';e24ipstions to him with respect to the state of affairs of
Perhaps, as the Gallant Commodsre had given a dis.
rlee on the subject of h.s question, he would allow him,

for the—purpose -of saving the trouble of the House, to
answer the quesion then, as he was about to answer
another question relative to the State affairs in the
same country. He could not answer those questions
without adverting to the peculiar and anomalous posi-
tion in which he, as a Minister of the British Crown,
stood' nith respect to the condition of affairs in Syria If the
situation of affairs in Syria. and the relations of Syria with this
country, or the relations of the Porte with this country were
of an ordinary kind, he should feel himself compelled to de-
cline abogether answering the question, because he thought.no-
thing could be more impolitic than that a British Minister
should answer questions with regard to the administration of
domestic affairs in another country. One of the questions
was, whether or not the Porte intended to employ a certain de-
scription of soldiery in Syria, and the other was whether the
Porte had retuned to remove a certain officer whom they had
entreated nith a.special command in that country? He would
repeat that if the relations of the Turkish empire and of Syria
were of an ordinary character he should decline answering
those questions, because, among other rea ons, he felt ►t
was utterly impossible for him to undertake the ad-
ministration of Syria. There was sufficiently enough
in undertaking the administration of affairs in England--
(Herr and laughter)—without his undertaking the adminis-
tration of affairs in a foreign country. With regard to the ap-
pointment, to which the GallantCotnmodore alluded, he did not
hesitate to say that a more objectionable appo ntment could not
be made. They had remor, trated with the Porte upon tha
subject, and they had received an assurance that that appoint-
ment should not be affirmed. With regard to the question of
the Hon. Gentleman, le regretted to find that the Porte had
thought it expedient to send out those troops. The British
Government had sent out instructions to Sir S. Can-
ning, their Ambassador at the Porte, to represent
to the Porte, that nothing but evil and confusion could ensue
from employing their troops in the interior of Syria. The
numbers, he believed, had been considerably overrated, and an
assurance had Leen given that they should not be employed in
the interior of the country. The justification of their employ.
ment was the great loss of life in the case of the Turkish troops
employed in Syria, and they were solemnly assured that they
would be retained upon the coast. The Eng ish Ambassador
had expressed to the Sultan his astonishment and concern a'
the Arabian troops being sent to Syria, and warned the Porte
of the impression which such a step was likely to produce on
the European Governments. He trusted that he had now
shown they the scenes which had occurred in Syria had been
the object of con.plaint, whether successfully or not, and that.
he had convinced the Hon. Gentleman and the House that the
Government was not indifferent to a question which so deeply
affected the tranquillity of Syria.
BOROUGH MAGISTRATES.

Mr. HUTT wished to ask the Wght Hon. Baronet oppo-
site (Sir J. Graham) whether he had, received any statement.
as to the manner in which justice had been administered in
the boroughs since the recent appointment of Magistrates.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the Hon. Gentleman was so kind as
to give him a general notice that he intended to ask him certain
questions to-day respecting the recent appointment of borough
Magistrates, but he had not told him what would be the pre-
cise questions, so as to enable him to give a specific answer.
The Hon. Gentleman had, however, relieved him from any
anxiety which he might have felt by giving notice of a motion
upon the subject. In that state of things, he must absta:n from
entering into any statement at present.
Mr. A.GLIONBY begged to ask whether the Right Hon.
Baronet had any objections to lay on the table of the House
any documents which might be important,
Sir J. GRAHAM said that Hon. Gentlemen on the other
side were very fond of making complaints, doubtless agreeab e
to them, but certainly not vet), complimentary to him (Sir .1,
Graham).
Mr. HUTT said, the Right Hon. Baronet had misunder-
stood his question. He did not ask whether there had been
any complaints made of the municipalities ; what he had asked
was, whether complaints had been made by the municipality,
or other parties, as to the manner in which justice had been
administered.

Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, he had already stated, that if
the Hon. Gentleman had any spetific motion to make, the
Hon. Gentleman could do so, and he could also move for auy
returns he thought proper. The grounds on which he (Sir J.
Graham) had advised Her Majesty to make the appointments,
would be explained by him when that motion was before the
House.