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to him with " yes" or " no," and the only matter that
could be drawn from him was, that he merely meant it
as a joke, for he had paid back all the money be had re-
ceived for the counters, and that, as his brother-in-law,
M. Seilliem, was a member of the club, be would have
withdrawn the false counters by returning M. Grand-
home all he might pay upon them ; and, in short, that
he knew not what he was about.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.

handed over to the prisoner, that Messrs. De Lisle were
not subscribers, Mr. Hooper, managing clerk to Messrs.
Stevens and Fearon, accompanied by Morris, the con-
stable, went to Russell House, Balham-hill. No such
person as Mr. De Lisle resided there. An old woman
was in care of the house, which is to be let, and she
told them that some months previously a gentleman
called, and induced her to receive letters for him, repre-
senting himself to be Mr. De Lisle. At the prisoner's
lodgings a large carpet bag full of railway papers was
found.
A question was raised whether the company was in a
position to prosecute as a company, but the magistrate
observed, and Mr. Clarkson entirely concurred with
him, that provided there was a case of fraud established,
it was a fit and proper case to send before a jury.
After the above evidence had be.en read, Mr. GREEN-
WOOD, having given the usual magisterial caution, asked
the prisoner if he wished to say anything?
The prisoner, who spoke in a very low and indistinct
tone of voice, was understood to say that he did not wish
to make any statement.
Mr. Clarkson—Some other evidence will be necessary
to complete the case, which I am not now in a condition
to produce, and my application, therefore, is, that you
will remand the prisoner to a future day, when I will
produce the woman at Russell:House, who will prove that
the prisoner received letters there in the name of Fer-
dinand De Lislo.
Mr. GREENWOOD—The Old Bailey Sessions occur this
week, and the case will not be in readiness to go there
before the grand jury is discharged. If you (prisoner)
can, therefore, give me respectable bail to a considerable
amount, for this is a serious charge, you need not remain
in custody.
The prisoner bowed thankfully to the Court, but made
RO reply, except that he wished to be brought up again
on as early a day as possible.
He was then removed in custody.
Mr. Ethnuud Yeakull, who was charged, on Saturday
last, at this Court, with forging the name of Colonel
Howard Stanley, Home-park, Windsor, to the subscrip-
tion deed of the South Midland Company, for time sum
of 8001., was again brought up yesterday, when the Ma-
gistrate told him he would receive bail, but bail of the
most respectable and solvent character, for his appear-
ance at this office on the day to which he stands remanded.
The prisoner said the chwarge was imaginary, but added
that he could procure the requisite bail.

GUILDHALL.

Yesterday a.man about 40 years of age, who gave his
name as John Thompson, was brought before Sir Chap-
man Marshall, charged with practising frauds upon two
goldbeaters in the City, by which he had obtained a
quantity of leaf gold.
Mr. Cobley, of John's-court, Snow-hill, goldheater,
stated that on Friday the prisoner came to his premises
and presented a paper, requesting to be informed the
price per thousand leaves of gold, for cash. Witness
told him 50s. per 1,000 was the cash price. In abort
two hours the prisoner returned with an order for 3,000
leaves, purporting to be written " for" Mr. Murray, of
Charles-street, Hampstead-road. It requested the
leaves to be sent with a receipt. There was a memoran-
dum signed "J. M." " Let the bearer have 300 with
him." The prisoner explained that Mr. Murray wanted
the 300 then, because the St. Alban's carrier was to call
on him for them that evening. The prisoner also men-
tioned that the rest were going into the country. Wit-
ness let him have the 300, but he had some misgivings
that it would be prudent to inquire a little before lie
completed the order, and he discovered that no such
person was known in Charles-street. On Saturday
morning witness gave notice of the trick to a gold-
beater named Gates, by whom the prisoner was appre-
hended yesterday morning on attempting to repeat the
fraud on him.

The principal witnesses called on the part of the pro-
secution were M. Grandhorame, the secretary, and M.
Boucher, one of the committee of the Jockey Club, M.
Lefevre, theivory-turner, and Mme. Morel, who made
the false counters, but their evidence was a mere repeti-
tion of the indictment, and presented no novel point of
interest.

M. Guy de Chamont Guistry deposed that, by the de-
sire of the Count Berghes, he gave seven of the counters,
which were afterwards found to be false, to M. de Mon-
tesquieu, together with a further sum in gold, saying
that it was in payment of a play debt.
M. de Montesquieu not being in Court, the President
read his previous deposition, in which he stated that, in
the course of the winter, he won of the Prince de Berghes
1,300 f. The .Prince asked him to take the money in
counters of the Jockey Club, but this M. de Montes-
quieu declined, as, not belonging to the club, and his
not wishing to ask any member to present them for him;
nevertheless the Prince sent Min seven of these counters
and the rest in money.
A sworn examiner of handwriting being called, and
having inspected the false counters put into his hands,
declared that the signatures were evidently done by the
prisoner, and that he must have taken great pains in
endeavouring to imitate the handwriting of M. Grand-
homme.

Sir C. MARSHALL asked the prisoner what he had
done with the gold leaf he obtained on Friday ?—The
prisoner replied he had given the goods to Mr. Murray,
who used to meet him at the corner of the street, and
never would let him see at which house he resided. He
had obtained goods from other places for him.
Sir C. MARSHALL asked the prisoner where he lived ?
—He said he had no fixed residence. Ile slept in a
chew lodging-house in Whitechapel on Sunday night.
'rho night before that he walked about.
_ _ _ _

Mr. Claridge, of King-street, Snow-hill, stated that
the prisoner had obtained 300 leaves of gold I nun him
in precisely the same way. He first called to inquire the
lowest price per 1,000 for the large size, and afterwards
brought an order for 3,000 leaves, with a memorandum
at the corner for the delivery of 300 to the bearer. But
this purported to be written by Mr. Murray himself, and
was drawn up in a good business hand.
Mr. Gates, of Vine-street, Hatton-garden, produced a
similar order. in the same handwriting. It ran thus :
" Charles-street, Hampstead-road.
"Please to send 3,000 large deep gold at 555. and
receipt. Let the bearer have 300 with him.
" J. MURRAY.

" Remainder, as soon as possible."
Mr. Gates stated that, having heard from his neigh-
bour how he had bees served, he sent for him when the
prisoner paid him a visit that morning.
Sir C. MARSHALL said the prisoner's explanation was
not at all satisfactory, either as to himself or to the
transaction in which he had been engaged.
The prisoner was remanded till Wednesday.

James Vine, a powerful young man of respectable ap-
pearance, who refused to give his address, was charged
with assaulting James Gallatley, a City policeman.
The officer stated that the prisoner, who was drunk,
came up to him about one o'clock in the morning, and
asked him the way to Redcross-square. He showed
him to the place. The prisoner then said ho was an
American citizen. He had come from the land of
equality, and he wished to know if he could fight. The
policeman said he could not. The prisoner, however,
was bent on attacking him, and without the least provo-
cation put out his leg and threw him heavily. The pri-
soner then said be knew he could only be fined 5/. for
assaulting a policeman, he had plenty of money, and
while he was about it he would give him a good quilt-
ing. He then knocked witness down., as soon as he got
up, at least seven or eight times. Witness, who was far
from being a match in strength for the prisoner, com•
plained that he was bruised all over.
Mr. Aungier, a resident in Redcross-square, stated
that he heard the affray, and looked out of his window.
Ile saw the policeman knocked down several times in a
very brutal manner by the prisoner.
The prisoner said the officer wanted to take him to
the station-house, and insulted him by taking hold of
his collar. He had absolutely taken him away from his
own door, and locked him up in a cell all night. He
considered himself the most aggrieved party.
He had no witnesses.

Mr. Alderman H. HUGHES said, even in England we

were all pretty well upon an equality when we were in
our cups. He should perhaps surprise him by the ad-
judication he was about to make, but it was his duty to
teach the prisoner to control his violent temper, and he
should direct that he be imprisoned and kept to hard
labour for one month, without imposing any fine.
The prisoner begged him, for God's sake, not to do
that. Put a fine on him, and he would pay it.

Mr. Alderman 11. HUGHES said he should not alter
his puniAment, and directed that he be handcuffed and
removed directly.
LAMBETH.

Yesterday Joseph Harvey, a market gardener, was
placed at the bar 13,,f0r0 Mr. Henry on a charge of man-
slaughter, in having cAused the death of Charles
Itutherby. a musician, formerly belongtng to the Guards'
band.

Mr. Games appeared for the prosecution, and Mr.
Hardman for the defence.
From the evidence it appeared that, in March, 1844,
the deceased had let a piece of ground to the prisoner fur
twelve months, and, in order to obtain p ssession of it at
the end of that period, bad served the prisoner with a no-
tice to that effect. The prisoner, however, took no notice
of this, but proceeded, on the Bth of April last, to sow
some seed in the ground. The deceased, perceiving what
he was doing, sent his wife to tell him that he should re-
quire the ground himself to plant potatoes in, but the
prisoner said he should not give up possession unless by
regular course of law. The deceased upon being told this
by his wife went to where the prisoner was at work, when
an altercation and scab took place, during which the
prisoner gave his opponent a violent blow on the side
with his elbow, which knocked him down. The deceased
after the rencontre complained of violent irrernal illness,
and voided a quantity of blood ; he had been since re-
gularly attended by medical gentlemen, and had also been
to an hospital, but he gradually became worse, and died on
the 30th of the last month. On the 6th inst. an inquest
was held on the body of the deceased, and it having
been shown by the medical testimony that though the
had some time previously ruptured a blood vessel in the
lungs. and that the lungs were in a diseased state, yet
that the injury in the recontre with the prisoner was
the immediate cause of death, the jury returned a verdict
of " Manslaughter" against him, and the Coroner issued
his warrant for his apprehension and commitment to
Newgate on the charge. The prisoner, however,
managed to keep out of the way until Sunday night,
when he returned home, and intended, as he stated, to
have given himself up to this Court this day, being
under recognizances to do so.

The evidence of the various witnesses was taken at
considerable length, and Mr. Henry fully committed the
prison,sr, on the depositions taken before him, to take
his trial at the present session at the Central Criminal
Court on the charge of manslaughter. The parish
beadle nas in attendance with the c ironer's warrant, to
take the prisoner in the event of the magistrate not
entering on the case.

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 19, 1845.

SOUTH WAItK ELECTION.

MEETING OF THE FRIENDS OF SIR WILLIAM
MOLESWORTH.

Last evening a public meeting of the electors of the Borough
of Southwark was held in the large room of the Bridge House
Hotel, for the purpose of receiving Sir William MoJesworth,
and hearing a statement of his political principles. The hour
fixed for the business to begin was seven o'clock, by which time
a numerous as well as influential asgembly of the electors had
collected ; the Hall, which will accommodate about 1,000 per-
sons, being nearly filled. On the motion of Mr. Edwin Evans,
Mr. Wm. Hawes was called to the Chair.

The CHAIRMAN, who on rising to address the meeting was
received with great cheering, said that they had been
convened together to select a fit and proper person. o
represent them in Parliament, in the room of their late much
respected member, Mr. Benjamin Wood. In doing this
they were bound to examine the political, as well as the publi .
and private character of the party whom they selected. He
generally found that a political character was based on pre
vious well-known acts of public life, and that this public,
character was again the emanation of private life. '1 hey
should therefore, in selecting a gentleman to represent them
in Parliament, take care that his political principles, his public
character, and his private conduct were all in harmony with
each other.—( Cheers. ) Such a member they had in the late
Mr. Benjamin Wood.—(Cheers.) His consistency and in-
tegrity had rarely been equalled, and never surpassed.
( Loud cheers.) Not only was that gentleman unex-
ceptionable on public and private grounds as their repre-
sentative, but he had been a resident among them. He
was one of themselves. The gentleman who was present that
night, and would be proposed to succeed their late respected
Member, he was sure would fully come up to the standard of
such a Member as that he (the Chairman) had described.
Though residence amongst a constituency was a consideration
that ought not to be overlooked, that qualification was not
alone sufficient. They must look to the principles and general
character of the individual. Though the gentleman now pre-
sent was not a resident, yet he was identified with them, he
(the Chairman) was sure, in interest and opinion, and con-
nected with the borough by the ties of property. Besides this,
he had shown by his address, ably, honestly, and without any
ambiguity whatever stated, what his political views were.
When he was a Member of Parliament before, it could
not be denied that he rigidly adhered to his principles, even to
the dissatisfaction of many well meaning friends, and he had
never done any act by which he forfeited the confidence of
those who reposed trust in him. His opinions were those of
justice, and based on mature refection. There was a strange
contrast in this gentleman's address compared with that of
another candidate (Mr. Pileher), which had been issued. The
latter address, while professing to be against restrictions on
trade, said that care must be taken of vested interests. The
explanation of which tn,ght resolve itself either into a sliding-
scale or a fixed duty. There was no distinct annunciation of a
principle here. Now the candidate before them left no
doubt whatever respecting his views on this important question.
He was in favour of free-trade.—( Great cheering.) On this,
the first great question of the day, there could be no dispute
respecting what he meant. When in Parliament that gentle-
man was one of a few who voted in favour of free-trade.—
( Cheers.) The absent candidate talked vaguely about Protestant
principles, yet at the same time he professed himself favourable
to civil and religious liberty. In reading that portion of the
gentleman's (Mr. Pilcher's) address, the only interpretation he
(the Chairman) could put upon it was, that he was an ultra-
Orangeman, a supporter of the Church, and an opponent of the
voluntary system; one who would maintain the Irish Church
in all its integrity, and therefore one that would per-
petuate all the abuses which had arisen from that
Church Establishment.—( Hear, hear.) The candidate
now before them was of a different character. He
was one who would not only oppose the endowment of a
second Church establishment, but who was willing to reduce
the emoluments of the Church already. endowed.—( Great
cheering.) These were the main and stirring questions of the
day, upon which it was necessary there should be a clear under-
standing With regard to the Maynooth question, on which
some difference of opinion existed, the worthy gentleman would
fully explain his opinions. Some thought that the grant to
Maynooth was preliminary to the endowment of the Roman
Catholic Church.—(Cries of " No, no," and " Yes, yes.")
To this view he (Sir William Molesworth) dissented.
He viewed it merely as an educational grant, and not as
tending to the alternative which was so much dreaded
He (the Chairman) would not longer occupy their
attention, but call on Sir William Molesworth to address the
meeting. He would say that he hoped they would support
him in giving every one who might choose to address the
meeting a fair and impartial hearing.---( Loud cheers.)
Sir WILLIAM Mcseeswoem, who in rising to address the
meeting was received with loud and long continued cheering,
said that in appearing before them as a candidate it would be
necessary for him to state clearly and distinctly his political
views, as the grounds on which he might expect their votes.
In so doing he trusted the meeting would grant him its in-
dulgence as he had travelled all the previous night
in order to be present at that meeting. He might
say he was not entirely unknown to them.
For nine years he had a seat in the House of Commons, and
during that time he spoke and voted on all the leading measures
of the day. The principles which would guide his conduct
now were the same as had actuated him then. To those prin-
ciples he still adhered.—( Cheers. ) He was neither Whig nor
Tory. He should attach himself to none of these great poli-
tical parties, but would consider it his duty to support such
measures as appeared calculated to serve the interests of the
people without regard to any of them. He had been called,
and was a Radical.-( Loud cheers.) As a Radical he was in
favour of an extension of the suffrage. It was sufs
ficient on the present occasion to say that he was
in favour of an extension of the suffrage. The extent to
which he would not say, as it would materially depend on the
increase of intelligence. He was also in favour of Triennial
Parliaments. He would abolish Property Qualifications ; and,
above all, he was in favour of the Liallot, as affording the only
means by which the franchise could be honestly exercised. He
would not dwell longer on these questions, as at the present
time they did not take much hold of the public mind, but he
would go to a question which did in a very great degree— he
meant the commercial policy of the country. Within the last
few years a great change had taken place in commercial policy.
Since the accession of Sir R. Peel to power, many duties
on articles of importation had been diminished or abolished. In
doing so, Sir Robert Peel had been giving way to the feeling
which for many years had been gradually growing in favour of
free-trade; the principles of which were formerly only sup-
ported by a few thinking men, but were now supported by the
leading men among both Conservatives and Whigs.—( Cheers. )
Considerable alterations had been made in the import duties,
still they were not of extraordinary importance, beyond indicat-
ing the tendency of sound views in head quarters, and as likely
to end in the abolition of all protection whatsoever. He had
always been in favour of free t rade, long before the excitement on
the question had been so great. He was opposed on principle
to every kind of protective duties. He considered that
duties should be imposed for purposes of revenue alone, and to
meet only the rigid and pressing exigencies of the State. To
all other duties h was entirely hostile, as injurious to the best
interests of the country. Such duties restricted commerce,
diminished the means of employment, abstracted capital from
its legitimate channels, and reduced wages.—( Hear, hear.)
There was immense capital in the country ; but, in order to
make capital profitable and wages good, it was necessary to
command a market for their skill and industry. In order to do
so, they should receive in return the goods of other countries
that might require their produce.—( Hear, hear.) There
could be no selling unless they bought in return.—( Hear.)
Every law that prevented buying prevented selling. All
laws that imposed duties on the goods of foreign countries,
reduced the exports of this. By such means the field of labour
was abridged, wages were reduced, and capital was left with-
out profit. The only remedy for this state of things was to
remove all restrictions on trade.—(Cheers.) Protective laws
had operated most injuriously, more especially the corn-laws.
They had diminished commerce both in the north of Europe
and America, because the chief export of those countries was
corn, which could not be imported into this country without a
high rate of duty. The consequence was, that those countries
had been obliged to establish manufactories, producing goods
that now rivalled the products of British skill and
industry in the markets of the world--( Hear, hear.)
The tendency of the Corn-laws was to rear up rival interests.
lie had always voted against them, and would still continue to
do so.—( Loud cheers.) He supported Mr. Villiers at a time
when he had but few supporters ; since which, he was glad to
say, a vast and striking change had taken place in public
opinion, not only on the ,Corn-laws, but free trade generally.
Ile had now stated that he was a Radical and a Free-trader.
There was another question to which he would refer • it was
respecting the grant to Maynooth. It was his duty
to state that, had he been in Parliament, he
should have supported the present Government in
that measure.--( Loud cheers.) For many years there had
been a grant of public money fur this purpose—for the purpose
of educating the Roman Catholic priesthood, not to endow
their church. This grant was but the carrying out of a con-
tract entered into at the time of the Irish Union, the object of
which was to provide for the education of the Roman Catholic
priesthood at home, instead of being obliged to go abroad to
foreign seminaries, where it was supposed they
imbibed principles inimical to their native coun-
try. On several occasions, while in the House,
when the motion for the grant was opposed by the Orange
party, he joined with the Liberal members in supporting it.
It was evident that the grant had hitherto been inadequate for
the object it contemplated, and, therefore, he would say, what-
ever might have been the consequences to himself, he would
have voted with the Liberal members in support of the
increased allowance.—( Loud cheers.) He would say, how-
ever, that he objected to the grant being taken from the public,
and considered it should have been supplied from the funds of
the Irish Church. Had he been in Parliament, therefore, he
would have supported the motion of Mr. Ward, for the
appropriation of a portion of the funds of the Irish Church
to meet the grant. Speaking of Church establishments
generally, he was in favour of the voluntary principle, or
that each sect and denomination should support its own clergy.
—( Cheers.) These were his honest opinions. If any
subject had been omitted he would be glad to answer any
question upon it. The Hon. Baronet they concluded his address
amidst loud and general cheering.

In answer to a'itring of questions from Mr. Knight, a Chartist,
Sir W. MOLESWORTH stated that he would not pledge
himself to universal suffrage. He was in favour of extended
suffrage, and would extend it as intelligence advanced. In
fact he would define no limits as to the extent to which elec-
toral rights might be increased. He was also against any in-
terference with any one on account of their opinions for or
against religion, providing that discussion was
legitimately conducted, having proper respect to
the feelings of others. He was also generally in favour of the
soluntary principle, and, of course, against the endowment of
the Roman Catholic religion. Should he, on any future occa-
sion, see any good reason for applying a portion of the funds of
the Irish Church to support the Catholic Church, and such a
measure should be proposed, he would take no step in the
matter without consulting them.—( Loud cheers and ciies of
" The Poor-law.") He did not consider the New Poor-law
a perfect measure, great changes had already taken place in it,
and he would be willing to support any alteration that would
tend to ameliorate and improve its provisions.--( Hear, hear.)
A resolution, which will be found in our advertising columns,
to the effect that Sir William Molesworth was a fit and proper
person to represent the borough in Parliament, was then proposed.
After some oppositioa from Mr. KNIGHT, who contended
that Sir William Molesworth's explanation had not been suffi-
ciently explicit, the proposition was carried, there being only
nine hands against it.
After a resolution pledging the meeting to support Sir
William Molesworth had been agreed to, and a vote of thanks
tendered to the Chairman, the meeting separated.

MEETING OF 1118. MIALL'S FRIENDS.
A meeting of the friends of this gentleman was held at the
Southwark Literary and Scientific Institution, at which about
500 persons were present. After hearing a speech from this
gentleman, which was an echo of the address he had pub-
lished to the electors, resolutions were passed pledging the
meeting to use their best exertions to secure his return to Par-
liament. After this the meeting separated.

The secret has, at length, transpired of the name
and nature of " The Royal Favourite," pourtrayed in Mrs.
Gore's new novel. Though we confess ourselves startled,
these are not times when clever skits of the nature of the
work in question can be resented as an offence—witness the
triumphant career of Pun a. Never did pages more amusing
illustrate a subject more attractive ; and, but for the vein of
pathos interposing through the work, we should pronounce it the
very thing to cheer and enliven the minds overjaded by public
business, or the still more enervating labours of fashionable
dissipation.