The Sun.
London, England, 1829-03-28 00:00:00

Derby; by Mr. O'Brien, from the Roma Catholics of a
parish in Ireland.
Petitions were presented from the fo'lowing places
against further concess'o is :—by Admiral Sltherog, from
Carlton-upon-Trent ; an I by Mr. Henry Maxwell, from
certain converts from th, Roman Catholic R riigion, and
the town of Sligo.
ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIEF BILL.

Mr. Secretary PEEL moved the Order of tl:e Day for
the further consideration f the report upon the Roman
Catholic Relief Bill.
favour of Catholic Emancipation ; by Lord Gorge Caven-
dish, from the freeholders of Eekingtol, in t! e c ,unty of
Sir GEORGE ROSE felt compelled to protest agair st
the assumption that this was a political question alone.
Colonel TRENCH felt bound to declare, that hi, opi-
nions on this question were clunged. He owed a duty to
his country which he would discharge. The condition of
Ireland was so full of danger, th it !here could he no doubt
of.tbe necessity of the measures recommended in his Ma-
jesty's Speech. He eulogised the Noble Duke at the head
of the Government, and the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Peel),
for their firmness and decision. Ireland must either be
coerced or conciliated; and having witnessed what a civil war
was, he had no choice but to adopt the &ternative of con-
ciliation. He approved also of the Rill for regulating the
elective franchise of Ireland.

Mr. BRADSHAW spoke in support of the Bill, which
he approved of for its simplicity and clearness. He also ac-
quiesced in the other Bill as part of the great measme, and
because it would tend to the benefit of Ireland.

Mr. O'NEILL opposed the Bill. He would not have
objected to qualified concession, but to unlimited conces-
sion he was opposed. If the Roman Catholics would not
be satisfied without being admitted to seats in Parliament,
and to the Privy Councils—if we held Ireland by so slight
a tie that America or any other hostile power could raise a
rebellion there any day—the sooner the question was brought
to issue the better.
Mr. GREEN could not look at the measure which had
been brought forward by his Majesty's Ministers without
distrust. In the first place, he dreaded the effec tof it with
respect to the Constitution of the country, and he also
thought it most certain that it would prove injurious to the
Protestant Established Church of Ireland.
Mr. EWART—The Hon. Member for Hull has stated;
that he has heard no new arguments on this subject now
before the House. Are any new arguments necessary ?
Has not our course been one of uniform evil in Ireland.
Our policy has run parallel with the misfortunes of that
country. Is it not time to diverge from such a course?
But are there no new reasons for concession? Will the

Hon. Gentleman deny that there is in Ireland, on the Ca-
tholic side, a majority—a majority increasing in wealth
and intelligence ; on the side of the Protestants, a minority
now divided in opinion. What have we then? Or one
side, an increasing majority—on the other, not a minority
only, but a disunited minority. So much for the argu-
ments against the measure. What remedies have been
proposed on the other side? The Hon. Member for
Newark recommends education and the introduction of
capital into Ireland. Can he constrain and cor.troul the
flow of capital? Is not the present century too late for
such a measure? It would have been well in more ancient
times—in the days of Psammis, or Chosroes. or Ci:eops,
or some other of the Tory Kings of primeval E.typt. Bat
the 19th century, the reign of George IV., with Eogland
for the scene, is somewhat too late for these arbitrary acts
of despotic benevolence. The only other remedy suggested
is the fatal one of coercion. Coercion may be tried. It
may even be tried with success. But let the advocates nt-
so fatal an expedient remember, that in such a case victory
is not always triumph : to be defeated is not to be sub-
duel. There is a long and dreary interval between eon-,
quest and subjection--

" For tho' the fight be won
All is not won ; the unconquerable will
And study of revenge, immortal hate,
With purpose never to submit or yield,
And what else is not to be overcome."

It is impossible to contemplate this great measure other-
wise than in two aspects ; one with reference to the past
—the other prospectively to the future. It is impossible
to separate from our consideration the remembrance of
those great men, whom we almost envy for having
stood alone in this cause, and who vindicated what we now
assert with a majority in a glorious minority of the Legis-
lature. To none is the tribute of praise more justly due
than to that great Statesman, the echoes of whose eloquence,
still lingers on these walls. Time and truth now justify,
as they ever will, the efforts of departed genius, and history
stands ready to consecrate his name. With regard to the
future, this great act will promote what Mr. Pitt dnlared
to be the object of the Irish union, " tranquillising Ireland,
and attaching it to this country." By tranquillizing Ire-
land, we shall introduce capital into Ireland, by promoting
the security of property. It is vain to expect capital to
flow where that security does not exist. The Right Hon.
Member for Inverness had stated in a speech which it
would be presumption to praise, that the argument from
expediency had been too much relied on. We had not
sufficiently considered the argument from justice. In my
humble opinion, it is expedient to be just. This is the
rule—a contrary course is the exception. He hailed this
great measure on the general principles of universal tolera-
tion.

Admiral EVANS said, that the consequence of
Bill was, that the Constitution was now fairly at tea, and
so many planks in the vessel had started, that she was no
longer sea worthy.--(A laugh. )—The Protestant ascendancy
was thrown overboard, and the forty-shilling freeholders
were thrown overboard.—(Laughter,)—and tlre only hope
+;eerned to be, that a sail might heave in sight as they had
put a broom at the mast head,—(A laugh.)—For his
own part, he did not see what was to save them all from
drowning,

Mr. CRIPPS spoke a few words, but they were far the
most part inaudible. We understood the Hon. Gent. ta
express himself as a dissentient to the

The Marquis of BLANDFORD was of opinion that
the effect of this Bill would be to sweep away extensive
and adequate securities, and to substitute none in their
place. —(Hear.) —What he wanted to know was, how, if
this Bill passed into a law, they were to controul the in-
creasing strength of the Catholic Church ? It was in
vain to hope that this measure would not lead to tr,ach
worse effects than had been anticipated; and h; would
to such a measure, had been misled tl evil Councilors,
y
take upon himself to say, that his Majesty,
by men who had ventured to arr-g_. '..r it consenting
themselves with a su.
perior authority to which tl 4 had no title..--..(Near.)lt was a measure which,
in the eyes of the people could
y
not be considered 1!.'3 arising from anything but a vile corn-
promise of principle to meet the demands of expediency,
and a base surrender of Protestant rights and Protestant
interests to the clamours of a few daring agitators, and
the WA. G and intrigues of a Popish Priesthood.—(Hear.)
-,-He was not prepared to add anything to what he b.sti
already said upon this subject, save that he was again de.
to
stat:e
asioxl..;
adnittitaidutreip,,:li
e:po);_baci:
terrnined to mark, by his vote, his sense of the danger an 4
a
the itnpolicy of the course which his Majesty's Aliaistrra
were now pursuing. One thing he might say, pe:siap,,,,
and it was this—that every man who watered ete course
of events and observed the indifference which 'tile Members
of the House of Commons manifested to the wishes and
declarations of the people, must see thrAt the hour was at
length come when it bec:stne necessary for every man who
wished well to the institutions of his country, to enter ho-
nestly, openly, speedily, sad conscientiously upon the con,
sideraticaa of the great question of Parliamentary Refur m.
-,(L0u.1 laughter, with cries of hear, hear.)—He said. this,
not more with reference to the past :ban with a view t 4
the future.—(Hear, and laughter.)--It arose ft. om opinions;
offeringfathri, elio:mom chadaaosteltthod, lei)agrat
oirrieleueinfegoistinre:
reform
deliberation,
otlinfine
Ibde;cra,atari
and
b,iidnaounnoto:
uetw.
:air:
and he
Parliament
-i
ene
butt'serst
;iei
int gi,,
sincerity his support to those gent/eaten who had hitherto
the Report, and the Asnendments be'lng
of England.--( Hear, bear.) •
The House then went into a further tonsideratiqu of
time, read a second

Ammlwent
Sir 11, VYVVAN, upon the question that ahr-ro be
observing. upon the nature ofmtehnetsC,
Zs an addition to.those. before the I:Prase. Alter
a cii"lltililtee uPoR the Amend
artoFsoe
itto, sz,e,
itsri
ho.liiity to all other religions, and it: unchangeable cha-
taeter of persecution, which even so Lite as !SIG had dis-
played itself with the mgst disgusting violence in the south
of France, the Non. tiaronet begged to ask the Right
Hon. Gear. .',Mks. Ism.}) why it was that he had mni.ted
th!*t po7;iion of the oa!h prescribed to the Catlin:lc% of Ire-
-13,4,j ttv it;e Act of 1791, in which, after renouncing all
aalegiance,or obedience to any one yretending to the tit, one
of this country, they der ire that they deny the right to
murder or destroy any persons on pretence of their Ling
heretics? The. Will tis omitted /o found to he these :
" I FRS, swear, that I du reject and detest as uncr.:iittian, and
impious. to believe that It is I wail to murr,er or •iestroy
any person or persons, whatsoever, for or tii4er pe,.tenee
of their being hi reties d • itrit:e's ; and also that unchris-
tian anti impious principle, that no faith sio be kept with
heretics." This part of the Oath, -,N .:,
frier er with anoties
to which he intended to draw thg atte,:zion of the House,
bad been totally omitted, he Ituee.• toot why, by the Right
Hon. Gent. in the Oath he now proposed; and he eon-
f..ssed he saw no sufficient reason for that omission. The
other passaga which the Itiffat Mu. Gent. bad thoug'at
fit to lease out was of evaisl iturortante, and rtlated tv