The Sun.
London, England, 1842-07-08 00:00:00

THE MASSACRE IN AFFGHANISTAN.

The motion of Air. King, for the grant of 500/. in aid of the
fund for the relief of the families of those who have suffered by
the =mere in Affghanistan, was adjourned until the arrival
of more information by the overland mail.

'IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
ROUSE OF COMMONS, .114 7.
MINISTERS' WIN EY.
Mr. Sergeant MURPHY moved, " That this House
will, on Wednesday, the 13th duy of this instant, July,
resolve itself into a Committee. of the whole House,
to take into consideration the Act 17 and 18, Car. 2, c. 7,
intituled an Act for provision of ministers in cities and
corporate towns, and making the church of St Andrews in
the suburbs of the city of Dublin presentative
for ever, with a view to the repeal of so
much thereof as relates to the provision of minis-
ters in cities and corporate towns in Ireland."
The Act to which his motion referred was an
Act passed in 1675. It was an Act passed
for the purpoie of providing payment for ministers
of corporate towns and cities.- in Ireland.
When they considered the period when this Act was ori,
ginally introduced as the law of Ireland, there were
peculiar
circumstances which rendered that law then
not a peculiar grievance, because, according to
the state of the population of the then corporate towns,
they were doing no more by levying this tax than
making those who were the predominant sect pay for
the support of those whose ministry they followed. It
must be recollected how completely the .state of things
in Ireland had altered since that time. In Cork, for
example, the city which he had the honour to repre-
sent, instead of the majority being. Protestants, the
population consisted of 10,000 inhabitants, and the
ratio of Catholics to Protestants was, at the very least,
as five or six to one. And he believed throughout the
whole of Ireland, where, according to the lute census,
the population amounteff•—te 1,000,000, the ratio of
Catholics to Dissenters was as eight to one. They all
knew that the tithes, which were burdens upon the land,
had been -done away with by legislative enactment ;
they all knew that Church-rates had been done away
with by legislative enactment within the last seven
years ; and let it not be said that he was actuated
against the maintenance of the Protestant Church in
Ireland. He had no such notion. He was of opinion
that Protestants in Ireland had a right to the same
liberty of conscience which he (Sergeant Murphy)
claimed for himself as a Catholic ; but he did believe
that the repeal which he sought for would go farther
to maintain the Protestant Church in Ireland than any
other measure which could be adopted. He did not be-
lieve, therefore, that he was violating the oath which he
took when he entered that House, by bringing
forward this motion. And he was happy to
say that her Majesty's Secretary for the. Colonies,
who had separated and disunited • himself from
his own political connexions by reason of his ad-
berence.to what he believed to be right; in 1834, when
there was a motion before the House .to do away with,
Church-rates, and when those of the same opinion
as himself voted fur the abolition, and were taunted by
lion. Members en the other side with breaking their
oaths, Lord Stanley said that he would not consent to
any measure which he thought would destroy the PrQ-

testrtnt Church in Ireland ; he was anxious on 'polities
as well as ragious grounds_to see it ex:end and p1:01c7;
He could nevertheless support that measure in each an
every part of it, in-the firm conviction that so far front
weetkening it tended to strengthen the Protestant
Church,, not in that sense, in which he wished
never to hear its supremacy mentioned, but in the sesise
in which the Protestant Church. ought to be maintained
lie eetirely agreed in those sentiments. 'I hose are'
mews which were good in 1834 ugainst Church-rarest
and, in 1835, against tithes, ought to be equally good 41
1842, against the imposition of ministers' money esf
(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentleman at the head 0;
the Government had said that he would reform all proot; -
and admitted abuses. There was a clear and admitten
abuse, and he called 'upon the Right lion. Baronet tea
redeem his pledge and redress it.—(Cheers.) It r
tend to do away with many bitter heart-buntings in Ire' •
land, and to make religion what it ought t-t be—a
of good-will among all sects.—(Cheers.)
Mr. T. SHAW—Does the Bon. and Learned Afernber
propose any substitute ?
Mr. Sergeant MURPHY asked if those who had Pty
posed to do away with Church-rates or tithes had ear
posed any substitute ?—(Hear.) was not called urn:
to propose tiny substitute. It was the duty of the
vernment to 'do so.e--(Cheers.) They had said the!
would reform every proved and admitted abuse.'
1. (Cheers.) He presente d them with an admitted abuOeo
end called upon them to redeem their boast and pall
the remedy.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON would give his decided Olri
position to the motion brought forward by his lion. 0°".
Learned Friend. He gave him credit fur the sinceritrs
of his intentions, but believing theta to be erroneous, he
could not agree with him. • it
Mr. SIIIEL supported the motion. In tieing so
was not his wish to deprive any of the present •
bents of the Irish' "Church of any portion of their
incomes. He admitted that if the effect of the mutton
of his Hon. and Learned Friend Would be to dirnlor t
the revenues of the existing incumbents, it woul l blue
fair to make up the deficiency in soule other way. I
hoped his Hon. Friend• who had introduced the motioa
would be supported in it by the feeling of the IristspeoPtle'
Mr. SHAW could not believe that any lion. Genfug,.;
man could be serious in supporting- the motion boy'd
the House. No substitute was proposed' for the fuu
which it was sought to abolish, and without this. pf°'
vision the abolition of the fund would be unjust. - • r
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said it was impossible I°f
any one to represent a constituency in the south ce
Ireland without feeling deeply the injustice of minister'
money. lie contended it was not the business of
bees who'complained of a grievance to find out a sub)la,
tute for what was proposed to be abolished ; it wns the
I office of the Government. He heard with pleasure ter
sentiments of his Hon. and Learned Friend, the Mollebee
for Dungarvon (Mr. Shiel) on the question ; and tu;:i
might depend on it if they suffered such grievances
this question involved to rankle and fester in the I,rene
of :the_lrish people, they would one day burst forth
vengeance. lie trusted that his Hon. and Learn
Friend would press his motion to a division.
Sir R. INGLIS opposed the motion. He trusted Oil:-
her Majesty's Government were prepared to take Ow
determined and decided step. 11°
Sir W. SOMERVILLE supported the naotions the
believed that theemotion of his Hon. Friend was Wts
precursor to others, unless the Government took up to
subject in a proper spirit. at
Mr. LITTON admitted that it would be desirable tail:
the mode of paying this tax should be altered, but,n.
existing circumstances, he felt bound to oppose the Tie
tion. He hoped, however, that the Government sv°e"-bi
Consider the question. The moneys in fact, was pal: .
the landlord, not by the occupier. des
Mr. CALLAGHAN supported the motion, en seig
glad to hear that men of all parties disapproved of;7ja,
mode of providing for the Protestant clergy of ircit'er
The-feeling against this pagment was every day led
ing stronger in Ireland, and the sooner it was repe.
the better.
Lord ELIOT thought it• rather remarkable that tet
grievance should now be brought forward for the, firer',
time in the House of Commons ; and that he, Its
tart' for Ireland, should not have received a single bad
mortal on the subject.. The Act imposing this tee it
passed in 1665, and no complaint had been made " it
from that time to this in Parliament. If; heWeliee
could be shown that a more adequate mode. of provnos
for the clergy of Ireland . could be devised, he tet,
not prepared to say that it ought not to be ado') -bt
but he thought that the Learned Sergeant °,llegte
to have proposed a Committee to inseslt3rS
the subject, rather than to have brought floes
the motion in the manner which. he had
sle
The Hon. Gentleman had made a prcpdsition fur oilw
P„o
as it
.appeared to him (Lord Eliot) he had shoteniiori
reasonable grounds. lie (Lord Eliot) was of olliieet
that neither the country nor the House was in a stslte.
present os premed with the consideration of the 91400
Lion. Under these circumstances,. he should oppose
motion.-;-(Cries of " Divide, divide.") s
Mr, MURPHY replied. The Noble Lordeoul,lpaqo
ail
that the grievance of which he (Mr. Murphy)
could not be one of very great magnitude, inasintiCli ,•%t
had existed since the year 1665, and up to the prlb!sf‘ee
time no representation of the great grievance hsd beet
made to the Government, and no petitions on the.su the
had been leid upon the table ; yet every Member on
pith
other side of the house who was at all connected"
slis
Ireland had admitted that the grievance did exist' n to,
that it was desirable that some means should be tulleleild
remedy it.—(Bear, hear.) As the Government•
-not pledge itself to proceed to the immediate conslu_Lers
• lion Of the question, and yet admitted that the grieo"/
did exist, lie should most certainly divide the
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and
House divided, when there appeared—
For the motion
1 • '
Against it •• • 86 -1.01,
Mejority agaiost the motiontar
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ANATOMY ACT.
On our return to the gallery, we found •
Mr. HARDY upon his legs, who was moving thAtnt:bf
House should take into consideration the petiti°oily
William Roberts, on the Anatomy Act, and that It -the
mittee should be appointed to inquire and report '99ens•
working thereof, and to recommend, if necessary, 11. the
ments of the game. He recited the provisiens
that
present Anatomy Act, by which it was provided hbood
body kept fur the pUrposes of dissection should be Li ie'
within the period of six weeks. This was a gr.e:e‘e fit
ducement to keeping the bodies-. its long as puss' Jidd
consequence of which a great number of the 1n,C0.001
.
students had met with severe injuries and (18'4'00
• illnesses from puncturing themselves with instre
employed in dissecting putrid bodies. In 1830 ne:se
Roberts discos end a id by which means it wash.
sible to preserve a body in a fresh state for a great lev eti4:
of time. Sir A. Cooper, Sir B. Brodie, Mr. Grce.lielftl
a great number uf medical gentlemen, had ecru!, op,
I its merits. Under these circumstances, he did thIll"
lie was justified •in moving that the petition or. eie
Roberts be considered, and that a Committee
pointed. fish
J. GRAHAM thought the topic was littleeateet
for discussion in the House, and still less for exam'" as
before a Select C,nunittee. It was• intlispensable,, thf
morbid anatomy should be pursued, notwithstunis this
great veneration that had at all times been felt_L",eor
remains of the dead. By the operation of Mr. 1" air
ton's Act, the disgusting violence consequent on le the
interment of the dead, had almost entirely ceased,
neces.:ary supply of subjects procured without 0).16100
to the public morals. Son of the pro' th°,
of the Act had not been exactly fulfilled
Bill permitted the appointment of tbre't tithe
specters, but the head of the Government at tl't's l
thought it better that only one should be nlr,t !,rThis was less expensive than three, and the l'ctieder
more effectually carried out than it would be ireelsv
three inspectors. The returns were regularlY rseltle
and he had ample evidence in his office that bin P
cessors had paid every attention to the subjectiaritiO
Hon. Member had mentioned that some irreo bode,
had taken place in the burial of the remains ol
dissected; but those irregularities had been prosPe's.,
provided against ; and, under all the cite:lutist:loor
trusted the lion. Gentleman would not press for tbeertsslit;
tnittee.• With respect to the discovery of Mr. 10.100 u.
read a letter from a Mr. Stanley, including the °Pie JO:
Sir B. Brodie, which was unfavourable to the succesl' (10'
experiment with the fluid, and stating also that os,lel
covery similar to that of Mr. Roberts held been !sit). 'IT,
France.; nor could it ever stiperSede the 11'0' ere"(
dissection, as anatomy could not be taught by Protsn'ee°
specimens. lie thought that theenest discreet c 'ion'
the Hon. Gentleman would be to 'xithdraW the Tat tie
Mr. HARDY replied. He was not aware', it "el
facts had ever before. undergone an inquiry. ":"!1,„ t'e
extraordinary that Sir B. Brodie should have rrliiice
fi
certificate as to the Meek of the discov.ry in 't
instance. But seeing that nu gentleman wns
support his motion by any observations, and ser'"ss
hd
was the feeling of the House, he should not Pre
Iser
motion. gn'
Mr. lIUME corrected the inference the Bon. ies't
bad drawn, that the Professors of the London '''
t4ileir
sett' College were interested in the question. 1:-e •
Hospital was entirely supported by fees.
ELECTION COMMITTEES. iutioP!
Sir R. INGLIS rose to move the followingi:ese°o epel
" That in all the proceedings of the Counn't,tf
cially appointed to investigate the charge , s tee 1;1_;
corrupt compromises and bribery
elections for the boroughs of Nottingham, lieu ut,ielfSeor
with, Lewes, Falmouth and Penryn, Bridpor
coed
and Southampton respectively, the parties n _
implicated in such: charges shall at all times:. %Opt:
in respect4o, len,
such times only as the said Committees iblaite et/19.,
rate thereon, be entitled to be present steetO:
mittees, irrespectively of the right which suell no Olt
may be Members of this House have to attend e
tnittees except Secret Committees of the state. Il e
esteet
no Member of of the House could vote against tn:B-4,5i11:
sition. The Hen. Member fur Bath made duo
certain Members of' the House, and such beilte.ge
he thought every person against wt out any.::::; ceerSo'd
made, was entitled to be present to hear tt
brought forward and substantiated. lie leadshool`set
he believed it, that great coutte..y had heenv,ttee, rt.‘ -
all sersone who had appeared before the Col,ltiidi be elo
he had no security that such courtesy ,"• s si
tinued. He did not believe that there waxereslllte.
Member present that would oppose this inecesell•iyee
which was, that in the case of a rte.' 1-1. •
should be allowed to be present. The Ilee bad
concluded by making' the motion of which b
notice.
The motion having been seconded, 1,00'4;
tteillll,al,
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brought
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been
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lion as to the course they should pursue. sniliir`,o. ecir‘tielo
of the lion. Member, it' carried, would be .I,"hiteert"
on their proceedings.Th Committee' lisl thor sr- b.
Lby the esot
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dg.ive'the Coannittitse
8.4e,e100;
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was Puzzled toe.ol,
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