The Sun.
London, England, 1818-04-11 00:00:00

JERSEY.

Mr. BENNET inquired, whether any steps had been taken
by Government in consequence of the Report of a Commis-
sion appointed to inquire into the state of the Civil Laws in
the Island of Jersey ?

The ATTORNI,,i-GENERAL was understood to answer,
bat some alterations in the state of those laws were in con-
etoplation, but bad not yet been effected.

ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.

The House having resolved itself into a Com-
mittee of Supply,
Mr. WARD stated, that in proposing the Ord-
nance Estimates for the year, he shoal() have no
occasion to enter into any long details and expla-
nations. There was hardly any difference between
those Estimates and those of ISI7, except in one
point. By a new regulation, that part of the
Ordnance that belonged to the Navy, and which
had hitherto been charged on the Army Esti-
mates, was now thrown upon those of the Adtni-
ralty, and would in future be paid by its proper
department. All the Military Boards were the.
same as-last year. But owing to the exert ions of
the Master-General,. the Extraordinaries had
been considerably reduced, They now amounted
to only 47,0001. more than in 1748, notwithstand-
ing the great'airgrnetitation which had taken place
in the extent of the service and the value of
articles since that period. This could not have
heen.dime if the Master-General had not acted on
the principle of keeping down the expenditure
every possible way. lie then moved, that a sum
not exceeding 596,4601. is: 01-d. be granted for
the Ordnance Service of Great Britain in 1818,
exclusive of the vote of credit of . 150,0001. al-
ready granted by the House. _ _

Mr.I3I.:NNET called ►l►e attention of the lion.
Gentleman to the situation olCantoin Humphreys
and other Officers of the Corps of Artillery Drivers,
who had been reduced and put upots half-pay,
although it had been proposed and sanctioned by
the House that they should retire on full pay. It
was hard that after 22 years' service they should
meet with such treatment, whilst Officers who had
served only three years in other corps enjoyed
their full pays
Mr. BENSON hoped that some step would be
taken to amend their condition.

Mr. WARD stated 'hat the COrps of Artillery
Drivers had increased during the late wars to 7000
men, who were divided into twelve troops, with
twelve Captains and other Officers. They had
deserved well of their country, and distinguished
themselves on every occasion as far as the nature
of their service allowed. It was not, therefore,
for any fault of theirs, that they were reduced, but
they had experienced the same fate as the'Army.
Eight troops had been reduced,out of the we've,
and put on half-pay. When, after the campaign
of 1815, a.-fresh organization of the remaining
four troops had taken place, as tLey were still re-
tained, full pay was given to the Officers who re-
tired, and from that arrangement there had been
no deviation. If Captain Humphreys was in thOse
four troops, and did not- receive his full pay, then
he was not in the situation in which it was in-
tended he should be placed, and he might not
only claim his full pay, but its arreai-s. But if he
belonged to the eight troops which had been re-
duced, then he was
,not entitled to more than his
half-pay.

Mr. BENNET contended that the case was en-
tirely anomalous. I'‘vas hard for a person who
had served ttsenty-two years to retire with Gs.Bd.
per da3', whilst individuals in more favoured corps
enjoyed their full pay. He then instanced an Irish
corps, which had been redneed at the Union, and
' the officers of which had their tull.pay.
Mr. WARD stated, that previous to the Union
there had been two battalions of .Irish Artillery,
one of which having been reduced before that
event, hat; been put,. as usual, ott-half-pay. The
other still existed at the Union, ar.d an option had
been given to its officers, but not to those or the
former, either to enter into the service of Great
Britain, or to retire on half-pay. The other •had
remained on the footing of halt-pay on which it
had been placed ; and no complaints wet e heard.
Now, if the eight troopS of artillery drivers that '
had been reduced Were entitled -to their 101 pay,
so Was the Irish battalion, which mast then enter
into possession not merely of 3000/. a year, but of
the arrears, which for seventeen years would
amount to 51,0001.

Mr. BENSON called upon, the charity of the
House to consider the situation of men ulto had
entered the service with 'a promise that on leav-
ing it they would have their full pay. •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Said, that
if a promise had been pledged, it would be re-:
deemed; but if the case merely stood onte me-
tits of the individuals, he had no doubt that tue
Noble Lord at the head of that department would.j

pay them every attention, consistent with the in.
terest of other services. lie suggested the pro-
priety of suffering the present vote to proceed,
and of bringing the subject before the con ,deeix-
lion of the House at a future opportunity.
Mr. WARD stated, that it was impossible a pro-
mise of full pay should have been made, except to
the officers of the tour troops which had been re-
tained.
After some observations from Mr. Fonsgs and
Lord Ccic naktie, the conversation dropped, the
Resolution was agreed to, and the following sums
voted:—
For Land Ordnance Servke, not provided for ,C. s. d•
in 1817
•
For the Ordnance Department in Ireland, for
1818 115,G09 18 9
For Allowances fur Superannuated and Retired
Officers in Great Britain. superannuated Men,
and the Widows 1-.nd Children of those de-
ceased, fur 1816 232,408 2 0
For ditto in Ireland 11,460 14 3
or Superannuated and flail•pay Officers in
Great Britain, not provided for in 1817 10,394 7 10
For Compensations and Allowances to Persons
lately belonging to the Ordnance Depart-
'tient, and holding other Civil Offices....
For similar Compensations and ARowances in
Ircdsnd 4.,164. 6 3
For repairing the damages done to "the Sea-
wall Sat Portsmouth & flaslar by violent storms 4,000 0 o
The House then teSumed, and the deport was
ordered to be received-on Monday.
INK RESTRICTIONS.

..:. 29,727 18 8

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECWER brOught
in the Bill to continue the Restrictions on Bank
Cash Payments'.
Sir C. MoNct asked,,whether in the l ,800,000 t.
which he now understood was the only surplus of
the Consolidated Fund, the 650,0001. received at
the Bank flout different Saving Ranks were
included ? .
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXt t4F.GIVER said, that
they were not included in the 1,500,000/. alluded
to, for they were nal considered applicable to the
reduction of the National Debt, bat as a *mere

deposit.
The Bill was then read a first time, and ordered
for a second reading on Friday next.
GRENFELL inquired - wheilter the Right
Hon. Gentleman had it in contemplation to ad-
mit the Public to the immense profits which the
Bank made by the continuation of the restrictive
system ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER di:! not
think that it would be for the honour of that House,
or that of the country, to make them participate
in the profits produced by the restrictions.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
brought in the Bill to regulate the Issues of
Country Bank Notes.
Sir 3. NewpoaT-asked, whether the stamp whirls
this Bill rendered necessary would pay any addi-
tional duty ? If so, private Bankers would not use
it ; and the effect of the measure would be to
throw the whole circulation of th►e country into
the hands of the Bank of England, and thus
nieut its already enormous influence.
Tile CHANCELLOR of the ExCIiEOVER was un-
derstood to say, that the Stamp ditty would be
the same as that which now existedo- and that it
would perhaps be practicable to cuter into a ',im-
position for the duty, whicl► .would enable private
Bankers to re-issue their notes as often as they
pleased.
Sir J. NEwroaT, alluding to what had fallen
from the Right lion.Genileman the day befoie,re-
specting the total disappearance of the 2,500,000/.
issued in coin by the Bank, wished to inform trim
that it had not been remitted,.as he seemed to
imagine, to foreign countries. The fact was,
that at that period some Bankers, and he spoke
with certainty of one with whom he was con-
nected by blood, having placed full confidence la
the assurance given by the Right Hon. Gentle-,
tnan respecting the resumption of cash-payments..
had made preparations for that purpose. With
that end in view, ►he Banker whom he had men-
tioned had drawn a large stun from the Bank 'of
Ireland, which' had been paid in coin, and Was
deposited for the time when cash-payments should
be resumed.

The .CitANCELLOII of the EXCHEQUER should be
glad to find that the -instances of- such prepara-
tions had not been rare, and would make some
inquiry into the subject before the Bill had passed
through the llouse.
Atter a few words from Mr. Grenfell, General
Thornton, and Mr. Alderman Atkins, the. Bill
was read, and ordered for a second reading OM
Monday se'onight, and to be printed.

alzalust the measure, the amendment n-as put and carried
isit!mut a division. 'l'he Biil is consequently lost.

EMPLOYMENT OF THE POOR.

Alderman WOOD said, on rating to ask leave to bring in
the Bill of which he had given notice, he wished merely to
state, that its object was to contribute to afford employment
to the poor, particularly in Ireland. He knew persons who
had sent considerable sums to Ireland for this purpose, hut
who were alarmed at the iiiellicacy of the existio:: Acts.whiell
related to the security of their capital so employed in that
part of the kingdom It was too well known that in Ireland
there were millions of people unemployed; and lite hail no
tfcsitation to say. that the greatest advantage would be de-
rived if persons were ail-Owed to embark a certain capital to
atfurd them employment, and he protected by the Legislature
against being liable for ally tiling more than the capital so
embarked. He Slould now only move, " That leave he given
to bring in a Bill to promote the Employment of the Poor in
the Fisheries, 'crade, and Manufactures of England and Ire-
land, by regulating and encouraging partnerships."
The SPEAKER suggested, !hat. it would be necessary for
the Him. Gentleman to alter the wording of his motion, by
making it for the appointment of a Committee of the whole
'House, to consider of the means of employing the poor, Sze.—
The motion thus altered being put,
Mr. GRENFELL said he did not mean to oppose the mo-
tion of his Hon. Friend, which notwithstanding svemrd Cs Inost
extraordinary one; for thus promoting the employintiot of the
poor was neither more not less than doing away with all the
existing laws for the protection of trade and commerce, amid
pattieularly with that of the 6th Geo. I. for preventing the
formation of Joint Stock Companies. If he understood the
Bill at all, it was to encourage such Companies, by indivi-
duals subscribing a certain sum, and releasing themselves
from all responsibility that should exceed the sum they stb-

scribed. Stich a measure would strike at. the root of the
whole commercial system of this country. He knew that in
many parts of the Continent such a system was adopted, but
it was so contrary to the system on which this country has
acted, that he should feel it his duty to oppose the proposi-
tion in every stage.
Alderman WOOD thought his Hon. Friend had certainly
mistaken the nature of the measnre. It was not a Bill that
the great capitalists of this country ought to be alarmed at;
and the House could determine whether it should go with
any amendments that he proposed.
Mr. GRENFELL replied, tlrat if its object was only to
amend the existing laws of Ireland, he should not give it op-
position ; but would it nut get to the e.stent of allowing manu-
facturers and traders in this country to deposit any suns they
pleased, being liable only for What they advanced ?
Sir JOHN NEWPORT wished the question to he enter-

tained, without expressing at the present moment any de-
cided opinion on its merits. From his own knowledge, he
was satified that such companies had proved very beneficial
to Ireland, in encouraging the employment of capital.
After a few words from Mr. Finlay and Mr. 1). Gilbert,
'the motion for the House resolving itelf into a Committee for
considering the means of promoting trade, manufactures, and
tommerce,by the encouragement of partnerships,was carried,
and appointed •for Monday next.
DARTMOOR PRISON. -

Mr. Alderman WOOD moved that instructions be given to
the Committee to intluire whether Dartmoor Prison was fit
for the reception of Convicts, with power to sena for persons,
.papers, and records,—Agceed tu.
ROYAL BURGHS OF SCOTLAND.

The LORD ADVOCATE moved for lease to bring in a
Bill to regulate the Royal Burghs of Scotland. There were
already two laws upon the subject, waking them liable to the
interference of the Exchequer, but they were obsolete. His
measure was, that the Magistrates should submit their ac-
counts to the view of the Burgesses, and tho,,upon the de-
position of five of the Burgesses, the Magistrates should ac-
count for the expenditure.
Lord A. HAMILTON was glad to find that the grievances
which had been complained of year after year were likely to
he remedied. Scotland for thirty years had been requesting
this boon of the House, but the present measure was only a
partial improvement. He much regretted that laws so bene-
ficial had been permitted to become obsolete. He wished to
linow if the present Bill was the work of the Lord Advocate
alone, or whether it was brought in under the sanction of the
Scotch Judges.
The LOAD ADVOCATE and Lord A. HAMILTON mu-
tually explained ; the former observed that he alone was re-
stionsible•for the Bill, and that the delay in bringing it before
the H (114 Se had been unavoidable.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, that by the laws of Ireland no law
in the Statute Book could be considered as abrogated but by
an Act of the Legislature, and he was surprised that such
should he the doctrine of the La‘,
The LORD ADVOCATE, in further explanation, said,
that by the established Law of Scotland, Statutes which were
nut acted upon were considered by the Lords of Session in
complet C abs yance.
Mr. FINLAY said, be congratulated the House on the mo-
tion of the Noble Lord. But when he learnt that the mode of
redress was proposed to be effected by lodging the returns to
Exchequer, it amounted tu no remedy at all. The Bill was in
effect a dead letter. The great point was to give publicity to
the accounts.
LORD ADVOCATE—" I slid so."
Mr. EINLAY—" I wish the publicity to be given in the
Burghs where-the accounts are understood, instead of being

in the Exchequer. If a Scotchnian is told ht is to g'(')
to law upon such ,:ccasions as this, he will consider the re-

medy worse than the disease."
LORD ADVOCATE-•` stated, and it is certainly no
-fault of mine if I have been misapprehended, that not only
did I wish the accounts to be reported to the Lxtbequer, but
also to lay open fur the inspection of the Burgesses of the
place."
Leave Was now toured and given to bring inn Bill to regu-
late the Expenditure of the Revenue o; the Royal Bui•ghs of
Scotland; soon after which a Bill was accordingly brought in
by the Lord Advocate, which was then read a first time, and
ordered to be read a second time this day three weckir.
Upon the motion of Mr. Lughington, the Report of the
• National Vaccine Establishment was ordered.
TRANSUBSTANTIATION.

General THORNTON rose for the purpose of postponing
his motion with respect to the repeal of the Acts relating to
Transubstantiation till the 28th instant. He assured the
House that his motion would not affect the oaths of supre-
macy and abjuratiatt.—Adjourned at eleven o'clock, till
Monday.