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London, England, 1829-03-17 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(LAST NIGHT.)

On the motion of Mr. ARBUTHNOT, a new writ was
ordered to be made out for the Borough of Marlborough, in
the room of Lord Brudenell, who has accepted the Chiltern
Hundreds.

The Bill for removing St. Dunstan's Church was read
a first time.

Mr. Alderman WOOD brought in a Bill for making a
tram or rail-road, from Blackwall, along the line of the
Commercial road.—lt was read a first time, and ordered
to be read a second time.

The Marquis of CHANDOS presented seventy petitions
against Catholic Concessions, from various places, princi-
pally from Wales, with a slight sprinkling from England,
Scotland, and the county of Down.
Lord ALTHORP said, that with respect to the petition
from West Ham, he had to state that the clergyman had
from the Altar requested the parishioners to sign the
petition, conduct which he thought very unbecoming the
character and duty of a clergyman.

The petitions were ordered to be printed.
Lord CHANDOS presented a similar petition from the
Trades of Dundee.

General HART presented 14. petitions from places in
Donegal, against concessions to the Catholics.

Lord TIILLAMORE presented a petition from the
county of Kerry, against further concessions.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD said the great mass of the pro-
perty and of the population of Kerry was decidedly in
favour of Catholic concessions.

The Marquis of CHANDOS presented a petition against
further concessions to the Catholics from the ministers,
merchants, and inhabitants of Greenock, and he said it wat;
most numerously and respectably signed.

Sir M. S. STEUART from 1419 particular connexion
with the town of Greenock, felt it his duty to say that he
trusted the House would not consider the petition now pre-
sented by the Noble Marquis as representing any thing like
the undivided opinion of the more respectable and intelli-
gent part of that community. In proof of this, he should
have the honour of presenting more than one petition from
the inhabitants of that town, praying for foil concessions
to their Roman Catholic fellow. subjects. He regretted
the means that hail been used to excite a strong religious
feeling among the people of Greenock and throughout the
west of Scotland, inducing them to sign that and other pe-
titions, especially the petition from Glasgow, presented a
f nights and several from that
c presented
the Member for the
University of Oxford,—means % h 1 was sure the Noble
go
by yy Nobleuon. Marquis,r
iend
Marquis, in his manly and consistent opposition to the
measure of Government, could rint approve of. He allud-
ed to the efforts' trsl by some members of that truly vene-
rable and excellent body the Church of Scotland to excite
it strong and prejudicial public feeling throughout their
congregations, by addressing them on this as a purely reli-
gious subject, both in and out of their '12;004. In 'proof
of this, he held in his band some ltittm,
very respecta-
ble gentlemen, attestinC the I:aefs ; 'intt he would not
called upon
to occupy
the time of tha li9uaely reading them, unless
to do so, nor would he intrude upon its attention with,
Any
further observations at present.
Sir F. BURDETT move(' fur roturn-s of boots and
shoes imported into 043 country, with the duty paid
thereon ;
s,Wl's?. tv.e year 1818.—Ortlered.
Lord DUNCANNON presented several petitions from
parishes in the county Kilkenny, in favour Dui concessions
to the Catholics; also petitions agaigst the Snb-letting Act
and against the Vestry Act,
Sir INt COLTEURST Presented a petition from the
Mayor, Sheriff, and Commonalty of Cork, against con-
cessions ; also. several petitions from various parishes in
the county of Cork, in favour of Emancipation to the
Catholics; also petitions from three of those perishes
against the Sub-letting Act. . . _

pOiIIT.MAN presented two peetions frog places in
the county of orset, in favour of.Catholin Emancipation.
lir. OWEN presented a petition from Pembroke, and

An How. MEMBER, whose name we could not ascertain,
presented several petitions from places in the county of
Southampton, against the Catholic claims ; and others of
a similar nature from places in the county of Cardiff.
Mr. DOHERTY rose to present two petitions well
worthy of the attention of the House: the first was from
100 Protestant practising Barristers of Ireland, and the
other from 67 Roman Catholic practising Barristers of that
bar. He would take this opportunity of noticing an ob-
servation made the other evening by the Hon. Member for
Dover. He then stated that the Bar of Ireland consisted •
of five kindred and twenty members. Now he must ob-
serve that his petition was not from the whole, but cf
those practising, which number did not exceed two hun-
dred and forty, and out of that' number 167 had
recorded their sentiments in favour of concession,—(hear,
hear)—and be could assure the House that many of the
others not practising entertained a similar opinion, he be-
lieved, at the ratio of eleven to one.—(Hear, hear.)—So
much as to the petition from the Protestant members of
the Irish bar. The second petition which. he had to de-
liver was from the Roman Catholic barristers of that
body. No one who knew this class of the profession,
their knowledge, their diligence, their fair and just pre-
tensions to the highest honours of the bar, but must
feel most grateful for the removal of restrictions front
them which were most unwise and impolitic. He
could mention instances of four or five Catholics who •
had lately been appointed to high offices, and the man-
ner in which they had performed the duties, had called for
the admiration of all classes, both Protestant and Catholic.
—(Hear, bear. )—He made :this statement in the hearing
of Hon. Members, who were aware of the fact, and who,
if he was wrong, might contradict him. lie hoped this
was the last time that he should have to allude to the
odious distinctions that had so long existed. He trusted the
only datinction would henceforth be an honourable am-
bition to all parties for the honour of the profession.—
(Hear, hear.)
The petitions ftrere then ordered to lie on the table.

Mr. MOORE did not wish to detract from the value of
the petitions which his Hon, and Learned Friend was
about to present; but he would distinctly affirm, that the
Most distinguished members of the bar had not signed these
petitions in Ireland. Men of the highest learning, of the
most profound constitutional knowledge, at the Irish bar, •
were certainly not concurring in these sentiments. •

Mr. TRANT knew that several of the old members
the bar did not participate in these opinions.
Mr. DOHERTY repeated what he had before said, that .
the great and influential portion of the Irish bar, who had
expressed their opinions, were in favour of concession. He
knew, indeed, that several had refrained from coming for-
ward to petition, and in that which he had just presented,
care was particularly taken that none but practising bar-
risters should sign ; lie had, indeed, refused the signatures
of four or five gentlemen in London, because they could
not strictly be designated as active me►nbers of the profes-
sion. He should not undertake the invidious task sug-
gested by his Hon. and Learned Friend, of marking the
members who had not come forward to petition. He knew
that a number who formerly dissented from this measure
were now, under a change of times and circumstances,
prepared to act as the Government had wisely done, and
take a new course to meet fresh exigences. Mr. Burke
bad well described, in one of his letters, the influence of
times and circumstances upon such a question as this, and '
how considerable a part of wisdom it was to be guided by
the course of events. If his Hon. and Learned Frietul
thought that the other members of the bar were hostile to
why not have tried them with a counter..peti.
Lion ?—(Hear, hear.)—There was zeal enough to induce
ouch a st*,-.if it 'were likely to be ucresafel. His Hon.
and Learned Friend ought to recollect the maxim of law,
de non apparentibus, et non existentibus eadasn est ratio.
He had no petitions to support his view of the question,
and the conclusion ought to be that there were none. The
Hon. and Learned Gentleman then drew a glowing picture
of the value of concession to Ireland, and declared, that
even at this early moment its delightful fruits were felt, in.
the cordial union which Protestants and Catholics were
now promoting in the sister kingdom. The moral effect
of these early intimations of good feeling could not fail to
produce the best moral result throughout all classes of so- -
ciety in Ireland.—The petitions were then laid on the
table.

Mr. B. COOPER presented two petitions from Stroud
and its vicinity, against the Catholic claims.
Colonel SIBTHORPE presented several petitions of
the same character from Coningsby and other parts of the
county of Lincoln.

Mr. STEWART declared himself decidedly favourable
to the Catholic claims, and ready to give his best support
to the Bill. He lamented that Mr. Canning had not lived
to see this triumph of his principles, and conversion to
them of his high political opponents.

Colonel SIBTHORPE said, that if the Hon. Member
would travel into Lincolnshire, he would see tho warm
hostility of the peopleto the proposed measure.

Sir H. HERON denied that there was a:ay excitement
in Lincolnshire upon the subject.
Lord A. HILL presented several petitions from parishes;
in the county of Down, in favour of the Catholic claims.
Sir H. SMYTH presented a petition from Wealy, iz
Essex, against the Catholic claims.

General PEACHEY presented a petition, num.erouslv
signed, from Taunton, against the Catholic claims. It
was with pride and pleasure that he saw it sa numerously
and respectably signed. It bore the signatures of the two
vicars and seven of the clergy, who were also most useful
magistrates in the neighbourhood.

Mr. HENRY SEYMOtrahore testimony to the worth
of these petitioners, lie regretted the violent language,
which they had used in expressing their sentiments. lie
knew, however, that there were many persons in Taunton
who dicsented from the opinious of the petitioners upon
this question.

AL•. DICI(INSON believed that the great majority was
hostile to the Catholic claims.

General PEACHEY begged to utter his "u nqual::eed
asvnt"—(A laugh)—from what had fallen from his, Hon.
Colleague. He delighted that those who felt as the men of
Taunton did, had come forward, nn; with a xapid and un-
meaning petition, but with one which fully, stoutly, and
unequivocally expressed the opinions in, which they glo-
ried. HQ hail bard remarks made about placards. Nov?
frsin Taunton, and the commencing words were, '6 ne
h had ornt which he would read to tihstehtiiHsi.eouus:::,,i,t came
King and his Ministers are for the Catholics, and none but
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gentlemen," said the Hon,
tGheentearballe,.as he resumed h
Mr. S.l-IJjkLEY presented several petisionl from
parishes .v 4; the county of Donegal against the Catholic

Petitions were presented against further concessions to
the Doman Catholics by General King, from a parish in
th-e county of Worcester; and from thre.t. places in the
county of Cork ; by Mr. Corry, from u Presbyterian con-
gregation in the county of TyrotK, ; by Mr. 11. Maxwell,
from three places in the count Of Armagh, eleven plamsa
in Down, two places in Moegal, two places in Gloucester-
shire, and from the Independent congregation assembling;'
in Mulberry-gardeus,. Hill-street, Ratcliffe-highway ; by
Mr. Moore, fru,ua the parishes of St. Werhurgh, and St.
Mary, Dublio.; also.from the Corporation of Tailors; bj•
80Am the Baptist; and from the Corporatjtn of
Weavers, in the same city ; likewise from the Clergy of the
diocess of Clogher ; by Mr. Downie, from -the members
of the-Presbytery of Auchterard ; by Mr. lieuldsworth,
from the borough of Tavistoek; by Sir C, Morgan, from
a parish la the county of Breckon,l7:4tfi,lie,
in Monmouthshire ;by Mr. 11. y, from garishes
lev
by Mr. Egerton, from the .pat.;sh of West Kirby., the,
county and phi Mr. H. Foley, from parish..,
in llertfofrdCsil'iLisrtee.r ;rand phi
were ordered to be printed.
Petitions i•A favour of Catholic claims were presented
by Sir P., coote, frdm a parish in the Queen's county;---
by Mr, Bernal from inhabitants of the city of Rochester;
—by Sir W. ,Guise from Stroud, in the county of Glou-
ccater;--ail from Exeter, by
d at a numerous.
most respectably signed, and had crigh.are
This was a proof
Sir T. ACLAND, who observed, that the petition Wfuti2
meeting got up 14r a contrary porpne.
that public feeling in the county Ivlncli he had the honour