Star.
London, England, 1830-02-06 00:00:00

WEST INDUS •$D INS lINITILD STANZA.

Mr. ItOIIINSON.-1 have a question to put to the tight hon.
Secretary of the Home Department of great importance. be
question is, whether any negotiations are now pending between the
Government of England and that of the United States, for the pur-
pose of renewing the direct intercourse between the United States
and our coioLies in the West Indies.

Mr. PIIEL —My answer is tbat a communication upon that
subject has been received by his majesty's government (tom the
minister of the United &ales, and that that communication is still
under consideration.

SLISIONAL 011111111 L

These orders and resolutions were then agreed to. When the
Seamus read the order relative to strangers, which is in them
words:—" That the Serjeant at Arms attending this haute do,
from time to time, take into his custody any stranger or strangers
that be shall see or be informed of to be in the house or gallery,
while the house or any committee of the whole house is sitting,
and that no person so taken into custody be discharged out of cus-
tody without Use special order of the house."
Mr. HUME ruse, and called the attention of the house to this
particular order. It was an order of very old standing ; indeed it
was su ancient, that it was disregarded in practice ; and he there•
fore put it to the house Whether they had not now arrived at the
time when they could admit the public to hear what passed within
their walls—a privilege which it substantially possessed already,
akhougb liable to certain penalties fir exercising it. So long as
this was one of their standing orders, DO one could object to such
a proceeding. He considered it, bowever, a great hardship,—he
considered it as shutting the door upon all the benelcial results
which arose from publicity. Indeed, when he saw what passed in
that house, he saw enough to convince him that if their debates
did not go before the country. it would be much better that the
country should have no House of Commons. He therefore sub-
mitted to the house, that it should allow foe one year the suspension
of this order, and see whether any evil was likely to arise from it.
Mr. PEEL could by no means acquiesce in the proposition
Which had just been mad. by the has. member foe Aberdeen. No
practical inconvenience resulted from che•order standing ea their
order book ; for the good sense of boa. members was a sufkient
security that it would not be enforced without due cause. Every
body knew that full publicity was glens to the debates which took
place in that house. What might be the ceeseqoencee of the right
of unlimited publicity, be would not venture to predict : but he
doubted Whether the present uninterupted decorum of their •pro+
evading, could be maintained concurrently with unlimited pub.
licity.
Mr. lIUM/L—Perhaps the house would let this order stood
over for a few days, In order to enable me to give the notice which
the right ►on. Gentleman seems to think necessary. I should wish
that the further consideration of this order may be postponed for a
week.

Mr. PEEL could not consent to that proposal, became it would
seem to call in question the propriety of the existing order. He
hoped, however, that the house would pause before it pined with
the power of clearing the gallery.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUMS would net press his objection to the resolution at
present. but would take another opportunity of bringing it under
consideration.

WALSINTAININ or eu. CUUNTIM

Lord JOHN RUSSELL gave none,. that on the 2Sci In.
atant be wonld move for leave to bring in a bill enabling the
imp manufacturing towns of Slanebaster, Birmingham and Leeds.
to mad members to Parliament.

The SPEAILSR said that be had received a petition from Cork
against the mute of Gerard Callaghan, Esq fur that city....or.
dared to be to►en into consideration on Thursday, the !Sib.

ILIPOIT ON TUB &DOOM.
The Earl of DARLINGTON moved that the report ea the
address be now rreelvaL

Lord PALMERSTON observed, that be hod voted for the
amendment on the preceding evening, because h appeared to.hint
to embrace a fair statement of facts. But ha wished set to be
understood by hie vote on that occasion, as either despairing ottht
shusties of the country, or binding lamerlf to a eoneurrimee is
those measures with which some ludividuals might think it proper
that the amendment should be followed up. He did not look with
despuix/ency on the situation of the country ; for when be saw
110,000.000 of active and industrious men enjoying the blessing of
such a constitution as we possessed, placed on a five and fertile sail.
and having the power to avail themselves of all the local advan-
tages of commerce, It was impossible but that ultimately the
COOditioll of the cOuntry, tetruld be imptoved. His opinion was,
that the distress arose, in a great degree, from the measures taken
with respect to the currency ; and be thought if any man who voted
for these measures did nut, at the same time, perceive that they
must produce a very considerable alteration, that be eould.not have
understood the subject. It was clear, that the return to a metallic
standard was likely to be attended with certain difficulties; but if
they would contrast the difficulties of the present day with.those
shoes of dishess and bankruptcy which were created by various
panics, it would be found that the pressure oc.caslooed-by the rettirn
to a sound currency was infinitely leas than the mischief clecasemed•
by the alternatioos incidental to the old system. They were, when
the change was made, in the condition of a patient Mitering umiak a;
severe disorder, without any chance of Mire, except by uudiegoieg:
an operation ; sad who, it be had sot that arra to bear iliac
operation, would suffer more vela the thanes of ithillia-1
order Perhis own part, bit threat was aosaleadeil fee
' the errantry lot a peruses/nit and noebeligeoble standard; iii4tOsee
' wean° mode of establishing It, except by proceeding as ih!llo4ree,
west bad done. He therefore concurred, with great ssustactidlqvia
last part of Ms majesty's speech In which a determiostroo tq ed.
here to the present system was clearly expressed. (Hear.) theist
stated his opinion en this point. he' felt 'blench called *tole aiy,
that theta were rather topics connected with the speech whkela did.
Dot give him satisfiction. Ha thought that the principles os;
which the foreign policy of the estuary hid Woe conduced
were exceedingly unforunate. Ho was of opiates that they were.
alike injurious to the honour and interests of the empire. That.
opinion, be believed. was not confuted-to himself ; aid he would
ask those gentlemen who bad recently, paa.ed beyond the Weiss
of this country, 'what sere the feelings mitertahied In ether
states os thus subject? A time would, bowie*, tome fee dit.•
cussing in detail those. interesting topics, and thendeee it was
not his intention to go into them at length et present. H. was,
nevenbelesa. anxious to enter his pretest on this ecomion, because.
be feared that if this address were passed in general dhoti. it
might be argued that it had received general acquiesneotie : and he
thought it would be mischievous if it west set to &shield dualist,
house entirely approved of the foreign policy of ininiaters• "rho
speech stated, thee the *overbroad had dose their utmost to carry
into effect the polishes jf the hesty of fora*" sad that they
would produce. papers to show the. rqgrem of Now Degradregill,
It was meet important to Greet Brkalsoik the siedelnentii Omaha
that dun state Amid be decidedly Milo *maintain /Nail; asitlet
it should not. by a artwited coons of policy, be driven bate titoarnie
of thatpower which. since tip termination of die war whit Titritsys.
might tern her ambitions "views towards that ittet ter. Is the dm
interest et Great /du* to give Greece the meant of Merin. els
bet miablialuOrnu, and es rhyme her from beeensisi the Heim
et military condom . He new mote to that pettrobiyl
orbit* related to the reetyptiden of Des MineeL. • RV,
hem mawmawto disco* thy propriety if mat rste pyrp,

reign de feet.. merely because he had not mounted the
throne legitimately. He had nothing to do with that question.—
This was a different case, and one which affected the MUM of
thlreceetry. The circumstances connected with it most be bosh
in the minds of the members of that house ; sad, ekes the
question of the recognition to which he alluded came to be teen•
Adered, he *certainly slkold resist it, unless it mid be elosly
shown that the est wield use Whet the hownce et the errantry.
Don Miguel mold ow he viewed as m mammon sovereign.
exercising his sway friedy and wkbest opposldash If be had
returned the sword which be hod been odes assist hie people, to
the scabbard—if be had opened the dominos where be had coo-
fined thousands of persons who were thoeskos to his fears aid
suspicions—if he led been the matinshind end oomelestsd sove-
reign, there might have been rooms fee rwooloki. Bet let it be
recollected, that the differences et the plum of the home of Bra-
ganca had not been settled-16k be susellected that a war was
going on la Portugal itself—let k be moollested that there was
a military government in the blend of Terceira, (an lampl
part of Portugal,) in favour of the queen Donna Maria, end
therefore Don Miguel could not be viewed in the light of an
undisputed sovereign. This question most come under the
consideration of th. house; and aerator, he should merely express
his hope that government would panes beg and well before they
took a step that could not be retracted. Then wee one subject
which be thought it necessary to advert to hers—be alluded to the
attack on the Spaniards of Mexico. The expedition which sailed
against it was several Teen In preparation. The government of
Mexico, knowing that prevention was easier than corm determined
to frustrate the plans of their enemies by a dement on Cuba; but
England would Dot allow that Wend to be attacked. U. then,
on the one hand, England, at the Instance of the ambassador
of Spain, prevented the Mexicans from invading Cubs. she might
to have dealt out an equal measure of justice to the other party.
England ought to have said. •' You, Mule*. shall not attack Cuba,
end you, Spain, gall not attack Mexico." But the proceeding of
this government was partial, and contrary to the principle ea which
they had promised to act. As these questions would hereafter
come under the consideration of the house, be would Dot make any
farther observations on them now, but ►e would not lose the op-
portunity which presented itself to him of stating his dissent from
the system on which the foreign policy of the errantry had been
conducted.

Mr. Secretary PEEL was of opinion the policy of his noble
friend would involve the country is a war within six months. With
respect to Turkey, the nialotenanes of its independence was to be
desired even by those who did not approve of its barbarous internal
government. This government had advised Turkey to fulfil her
treaties with Russia, but never gave her any hope of assistance in
her war with Russia. On the contrary. when eke refined to fol-
low our advice, we withdrew our minister' When the affairs of
Greece were brought under consideration, it would be found that
the treaty of the Stit July, had been faithfully totalled.
The noble lord's advice respecting Portugal was, s' Go
to war ro prevent Don Miguel being Wog of Portugal."
But if the population of the country eared nothing about the pos-
sessor of the throne, why were we to interfere? Mat the period
that may be selected, we should determine on his recognition. It
will be a pure question with relation to the treaties between the
countries. In his majesty's speech there are some parts in which
the recognition Is mentioned. He had never concealed his opinion
of the conduct of Don Miguel. He did not keep the faith he
plighted to this Government. But it is as important ques
duo whether his per weal character will Woo' justify us in
refusing to recognise him. Don Miguel practically exercises
the powers of government in Portugal, and his rule takes
place apparently with the general consent ; every attempt to dis-
possess him bas failed ; at an early period he called together the
ancient Cartes, and bad their assent to his accession. This was a
body venerable for its antiquity, and its decisieo gave kis title a
'Arnim in the eyes of the people. They looked on that decision
as the expression of the general will. The Wand of Terceira is a
military garrison. which has declared for the young goers Maria;
but it is a small island, far detached from Portugal, and not
in the slightest degree influencing that kingdoms. (Hsu, hear.)
Would that fact authorise us to force • soya ago no the people of
Portugal? We desire that she may ascend the throw in obedience
to her father's will ; but if the people of Portugal will set support
her claim, it will fall to the ground. There were greet doubts
whether Don Pedro had the right to give the crowu golds daughter •
and all the Portuguese lawyers have decided in favour of Don
Miguel.—Higher consideration* than those of mere personal cha-
racter must rule the course of policy which a country like
this will follow. We are not authorised to force a rejected
sovereign on any country. Don Miguel is in ne shape sub-
ject to our authority. If we once commence a war of opi-
nion. we can never circumscribe its scope. The Noble Lord (Pale
Emerson) bad, however. asserted that the Government of this
country should have interfered to have prevented the invasion oat
Mexico by the Spaniards from the i'laod of Cube. Now, be rti
collected very well that his Right Honourable Friend (lair. Cana
alas), at the time he put forth those able and powerful State
Papers which were demanded from him in the tulAhnent of
his duty as Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, always
admitted the right of Spain to it out and undertake any expedition
she pleased for the conquest of her colonies. although he dented
to other nations the right of interference, which might be exerted,
not for the purpose of re-assuming the legitimate authority of the
parent state, but for the pupate of assisting either party, as It
might suit their interests to obtain an advantage over the other.—
(Hear, bear.) This he wee asalatied was the tenor of the principle
laid down by his right honourable friend, and recognised by
the house. But then the noble lord asserts, :bat although
the right of interference was not exercised by the Government in
protect Hezieu frogs the Spaniards, it was exercised on a former
occasion to protect Cuba from the attacks of the Mexicans (bear).
Ihd the noble lord, however, nut understand that these might
be some circumstances so peculiar, and some consideradoos of
such overwhelming importance, with regard to the connections
and relations of England with the Isle of Cabs, as to justify
a great departure from the toles which governed other
portions of her policy, and not to be defended oat general
principles. The noble lord ought to have a thorough understanding
of every thing connected with the Familiar *imam of this country
and Cuba before he ventured to illustrate his argument by • re-
ference to the ease of Cuba. Vu every saber oceasion be repeated
Abet the government bad invariably governed itself by the principles
which it bad recognised and although they had not, as the noble
bed seemed to skint they were booed to do so. gooe to war for the
pavan of preventing every act of which they might disapprove,
yet he trusted it would be found that they bad not done any thing
se forfeit the character or compromise the honour or station of the
ermotry.
MN C. ORA NT said, that be thought the right hoooorable
gentleman (.Ur. Peel) bad certainly. without intending it,
eery much misconstrued the nature of his noble 'r'end's ergo-
Moot. He confessed. that in the present situation of this
imiuutry, be knew mine whose prosperity, in every point of
view, whether commercial or political, ought to be viewed
with greater anxiety that Mexico and South America; and
when be considered that these countries bad been for up-
Wards of twenty years engaged is a struggle for the freedom
they had now obtained, he ensfessed be Pohl not contemplate with
patience for a =inept the prospect of their returning under the
"leeporisat front which they had freed teens elves, nor restrain his
feelings at any suggestions of*. policy which sordid interest might
be brought to justify in exclusion of those higher, considerations
which were to be found in a regard for national character and a
dab* to improve the condition of humanity (hear!) These
agog the questions which his table friend bad put to the right
gentleman and his Majesty's government; and,
toasted, berets the house was called on to sanction the
which bad Ileum pursued, that an inquiry world
treed se ertessive As to satisfy all, chit use Imputations
%plea this country were unfounded. right bon. gent. had at-
tempted to contend, that the country moat have been engaged in a
er /tit bad.attempted the interference required by the noble- lord,
eild.deciared that it was the policy of this amonuty to abstain most
eal#einly from all interference with other States. (Hear hear)
`Wilde religious abstinence was to be observed, then he would
ad bow it was that they had interfered in sae solitary
,such as that abetted to by his noble friend? (Hear.)—
amble Maid bad proved that they slid use abstain from
• now t and us a speech of great power at the close of
tombea, which every Member who beard it most have vividly
heyeeseed ea his recollection, he bad paved in media imam"
OM the lenerference of this country had taken place le reference
te de subjects of Portugal in a mummer the most emjesdbable I
'aid, he treated. notwithstanding what bad been said in Judi-
alien et-that act. that a further tagelry would produce some-
Mgt more satisfactory than chin to be head in the
sewn whims et papers preinad bee session in the House.
Rem the few blots shrews sue elsewherre—frons the sows of
fereadene esseadotim the ether bone—be soreheaded, Weed,
that the teledoes edit semilary with Penedo' were abide to ale•
Berge a rest char. It was now willapepsia rat sits Mum*
usurper at Ms heathen t lOU hod beefs she keeped Medal
miefortenes—thee his character had bees reed/ ellmied by
Model ; eat it was seem beehmatod that this mealy siege go/
eine rinse would be received into the Mesta et the lkirepeati
mad ranked among the roma* tat Ihmos.

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come stainless from the explanation. Before he at down he wished
to advert to another portion of our foreign relations, which he
conceived to he a little obscure.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL agreed with his noble friend (Palmer.
stop) in what he had said with respect to the conduct of this
country in our intercourse with Terceira and Don Miguel. If the
government had never interfered at all in the affairs of Portugal, it
might, without any violation of propriety, have (like the United
States of America) recognised the authority of the King de facto'
on the throne ; hot, after it had proclaimed Donna Maria as the
lawful sovereign—after it had supported her rights to the throne
by the means of • British army—and after it had conveyeg
Doe Miguel in a British frigate to rule ever Portugal usage
certain conditions—after after all these acts of interference, It was
too tate to draw back, and (contending for the propriety of up-
holding the principle of non-interference) declare that it did net
matter a straw whether this or that sovereign occupied the throne
of Portugal. When, with all this, too, it was recollected that de
authority of Miguel was, in the Ant instance, supported by a
British army, whose presence enabled him to Milker the troops
of Portugal with creatures of his own ; and that a person closely
connected with the present government, and holding under it a
high situation, was more than suspected of favoring these changes;
and that by the consequences of these changes, thousands of de-
serving and honourable men were either sacrificed or compelled to
abandon their country. He thought that the argument with rep
spent to the righteeseness of non-interference, would be foend
very difficult of support. The noble lord then alluded to
the instructions gives by the government with respect to the
landing at Terceira, and contended that they were without
precedent in the laws of trations—(Hear. hear.) Even the
government seemed to be sensible that they were adopting
a course most unusual ; for in the Admiralty orders for the seizure
tide Portuguese. those persons who sailed for Terceira were stated
to be about to attack Terceira' although it was known that they re-
cognised the authority of Donna Maria, and that they would be re-
ceived wish open arms by those who occupied the island. He did sot
wish, however, to descant More on these topics at the present mo-
ment, as the time foe their consideration was rapidly approaching ,
and he would, therefore, conclude by espressing his opinloos,
that the character of England had been diminished, and its honour
tarnished, by theta transactions. Portugal had been abandoned.
after welled pledged ourselves to protect the Government of the
rightful Sovereign. Turkey had been suffered to become a prey
to Russia, or to be so crippled and weakened as to preclude the
possibility of making any future effectual efforts in her defence.
Sir JOSEPH YORKE feared that the house was too often in
the habit of ioterfering betimes foreign nations ; and he thought
the conduct of Mr. Canning and of the house towards Portugal was
premature. He would, however, do the hon. member for Aber-
deen the credit to say, that he at the time implored the house to
consider the steps they were about to take, or else they
would get themselves into a confounded serape.—(a laugh.)
It had hest also said that a paper corrrency could be im
tablisbed on as Ina a basis as that of gold. The ho-
nourable member for Abingdon had been an advocate of this
doctrine, bet however well he might tut his coat according
to his cloth (a laugh,) he (Sir J. Yorke) was sure that the bus.
member could sever effect such an object, and though. as a coo-
tractor, he had an opportunity of becoming a good calculator, and
he hoped a profitabk one, still ha doubted whether be could euab-
nab a sound currency by »ado; pieces of pasteboard, and by
stamping them with a King's head on one side and a tale on the
other. He would support the address, from the full confidence
which he reposed in his majesty's government.
Dr. LUSH INGTON regretted the great mystery in which the
relations of this country with foreign countries had been kept by
ministers. The passage in the speech relating to Portugal left the
country in doubt as to the policy of government towards that na-
tion. In fact, no person could now tell whether it was deter.
mined to acknowledge Don Miguel or not. He also disapproved
of the policy pursued towards the South American States.
Mr. MABERLY said if the gallant admiral bad meant in his
remarks any premised allusion to his (Mr. M.'s) private affairs, he
loos it back with contempt. Perhaps be did nut think the Home
thought he was called upon to make any observations, but from de
nature of what was said, be could net remain silent.
Sir J. YORKE said, he could assure the Hon. Gentleman tbst
he meant so offence in what he said, and if those observations were
unpleasant to him. be (Sir J. Yorke) was very sorry for it.—( Hear!)
MABERLYIira expressed himself perfestly satisfied.—(Hear')
Mr. SADLER begged to be allowed to say a few words, as no
opportunity had marred last night for expressing his sentimeois
on the variess topics which had been (Recessed. He should not. Ip•
deed, have sow risen, had it not been for the levity with wide&
the distresses of the country bad been treated by a right boo:
gent. That was not the way in which they ought to be treated.
Through the whole of theism semi* official men had endeavoured
to show the existence of prosperity by statements which tic mid
belonglog to an practical class could 'sadism They had the e*
scantly repeated metaphor, that the son of prosperity was dieseling
its ray, throughout the community. Hope was constantly held temp
to the people. They could no law. however, aisle on hope;
they must have relief. Ministers bed opened Pandora's berg
and let loom all the evils which It contained; and the only co4t
isolation was, that bops was at the bottom Thu universality
of the distress also was denied. Toro, however, to wbatemt
interest they might, distress was but too apparent--(Hear.)--r
In what situation was the shipping interest, the right arm tif
this country, the impenetrable shield of our defence? Ask tie
residents io any of the great ports. As to that vital sustaining
interest of the country. agriculture, it was well known that tits
labourers were suffering great distress, and that the farmers we*
I ve. y generally living on their capital. It was said that there wio
' so increase in the capon of goods. But diddle manufacturers if
those goods receive a remunerating price for them? Otherwise.
.
the increase in their manufacture was only an increase of toll with.
out an increase of benefit. The only way to relieve the distr.*
was to be acquainted with its nature and extent ; and he was soeyy
to say that government had too long kept the word of promise les
our car to break it to the hope. They were pursuing as igisisfef
Mrs. Retreochnsent had been tweaked ; but if this Were the
relief, why lead not the country bees indulged with It beforeona
He came from a Neighbourhood where tens of thousands could
bear witness to the prevalence of the distress; and it has beep
proved that in one great county the distress had been, sad coo
coed to be. en the lacrosse. The pope, if they were thus treat
would become exasperated, and then only the most fatal st
would be taken. One great cruse of the distress was the return
a value of money which had wafted 40 years ago, although in
interim they bad incurred several bvadzed millioits of debt. They
bad hired the public servants ni paper, and they kir», paying them
In goad.-.(Hear. hear.)
Mr. JOHN WOOD could take epos himself to say that UM
meow numbers of the manufacturers in the north of England wens
without food or clothing, and be did think that the sgrictikori*
were not better of.
Mr. ATTWOOD contended. that the present distress was e
tended over every branch of national Wintry, many of which w
completely annihilated. As a proof of this assertion, he could st
that no great capitalist could be induced at present to embark
money in any Misioess, although a grad deal was at present ti
played : (bear). He was surprised to bear it said that the exist-
ing distress was but partial; be begged to rescind the house
that there were row on the way to It numerous petitions all at
which agree to this appalling fact, that the distress was only
He thought it untorunrate that ministers should male his nea#
utter a sentiment in direct opposition to the voice of the nation.
(hear). These petitions to which he referred might be fairly
presumed to speak the sentiments of the nation, as they d
not emanate from a party, nor merely from any one or two bodies
er classes of the people ; it was the vslce of wing.. tory, radial, t
merchant, manufacturer, and agriculturist. He entirety denied
that the rattan». which had been reed last night, could, in say
gree, illustrate the state Ode trade of she country. They wen.
believed, framed exclusively for the porpoise to which they were
plied. He denied the returns of exports were any proof of the Mattel
trade ; the fact was,that theywere framed.ost smooth* Nattiest ugh,
the estimatedvalm of goods ; the house would be surprised thp
some aiticks sf cottons were estimated as high as they
had been 150 years age.—(heir, beam) He would state that the
mote extensive were these ezportedess the more general wu the
ruin which they caused. However emildently ministers may es-
met that the currency would not be denied, be asserted co*
dentty it• mast be shooged.—(Hear. beer.) nay could Fes
support their prams wades under the present currency
It was sot wields the reeve
_et psdillitylilear, loser.)
They had all a most added Minden tW the Mos phi towards •
the support of the geuerwment by a way brie *dee of the
people, were no Imam paid out of the empire of the earnings—ea
of the prelims( dale Rimer. They ewe luaus new wrung Wit
the roasts el the leant ; they were Mr drawn hs reality frees
the sums of sehalsimuel the isheseeniserilly. The hem tweethew
fur Liverpool bed lidemlled hil isieulles of Willis leeward this
important tiseides, and he mad therefore pied. WNW to egos
MOO obserradons ogle the subject. The pram Own**
had am bees hums to theentehle. oar hod they hest honest to the *
country. They hed hoes opposed to both interests. They bed
um
acted coasimmagy with the amoral welfare of the merry. He
was opposed to the address, because It weld net he said to be el
such a mature, when eseepored with the speech, as the skulk" ot
the swami warranted.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER at seine keg*
Contended that a umit frees the standard conettey of the cedar}
try mould be amt with rub to the genera pehmiple of cow
muss. Theme hen. eutimbers wits had 'deemed aii easeeden stets
have forgeeme the IMUMUNI emus of the segsgemems wieth
bad takes plow seder that system. The itheraden might
bawbe inalsople INS mil 15211, but le wee WI C:411
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forward in 1650. at a time when it wu utterly impossible for
it to be: effected. It would be impossible for the government to
osery a measure, from the great confusion the country would be
in, were each a circumstance to ensue. It bad been said, that our
augmented commerce tor one yew afforded no proof that It was a
permanent improvement ; because, if such were the case it had
been done without any profit to the country. Now, it so happened,
that the hon. member bad made observations to that effect for the
lan Sor 6 years He had heard It said for that period, that a great
portion of the trade of this country had been carried on at a con-
siderable sacrifice. Individuals might be found wbo were able to
carry on their trade at a loss for a short time ; but could it be be-
urved that any person would embark in business, from which
nothing wu to be got. He would say, that the commerce of this
conntry bad !yenned during the years of peace.
Mr. TRAMopposed the principles Lid down by the boa
Oninellor of the Ezchequer.
Alderman WAIT H MA N denied that the exports had increase.
lie knew and could prove that for the last fifteen years there had
beta a decrease.
rats the Report being brought up,
Mr. HUNG said there ought to be a clause which would tend
to the production of a measure for the reduction of taxation. He
had given notice to bring forwsrd a motion on the subject on the
lath, and therefore would not enter into it now.
The report was then read.
Ms. MABERLY was of opinion that an alteration in the cur-
rency might be attendedwith advantage to the country. It might
be the means of taking the Government out of the hands of the
Bank, in whose power it was now to a certain extent.