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This Committee held its firstGro sitting to.day. Members present,
the Right Hon. F. Shaw (Recorder of Dublin), Chairman ; Mr.
Brarnston, Mr. Ord, Mr. Villiers Stuart, and Mr. Lockhart. There
are thirteen projected railways to be considered in this group, all in
the Midland Counties, and diverging in varioas directions round
Birnilrigham. Of this number four have received the favourable
.eeision of the Board of Trade, six have been reported against, two
were withdrawn from the consideration of the Board, and one has
hat complied with the standing orders. None of the Bills are unop-
Peaad. The following is the list of lines :-
1. Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway.
2. Oxford and Rugby Railway.
a. Oxford and Didcott Railway.
(D 4. London and Worcester, and
.Rugby and Oxford Railway dley to Wolverhampton).
dev
5• Birmingham and Gloucester Railway (Worcester branch and
iation).
tenGsion •
Birmingham and Gloucester Railway (Wolverhampton Ex.
7. Bristol and Gloucester, and Birmingham and Gloucester
Railway.
(tiul4 dle,y ntdo°:edagnelle YW:orcester, and Rugby and Oxford Railway
?• London, Worcester, and South Staffordshire Railway.
Grand Junction (Dudley Branch) Railway.
!I• Grand Junction (Shrewsbury and Stafford) Railway.
Italii2ulayGrand Junction (Shrewsbury and Wolverhampton Branch)
13, Shrewsbury and Birmingham Railway.
The list of railways, with the names of the opposing petitioners,
ang been read by the clerk.
Dir. TALBOT said a question should first be settled before going
to
to the business of the Committee. It was clear that he stood
ure his Learned Friend Mr. Austin, as appearing for the
ard fo. and Rugby line, and it was also equally clear that
.17. Austin had precedence as counsel for the London
:rd Worcester line. As his (Mr. Talbot's) however was a branch
lane, and as the line of his Learned Friend involved the leading
yetit to be settled by the Committee, namely, the comparative
;o, of
the broad or narrow guage, his Learned Friend ought
tirs.°P.th his case first. But then, there came a third party, the
bm'inghara and Gloucester Railway Company, who having no Bill
deny the House yet claimed to follow after him with their evi.
against his scheme. So that not only would Mr.. ustin
atabtlie right of reply, but he (Mr. Talbot) would alsoA have
144,7! birn the evidence to which he referred. This he con.
,-uUnfai
eeY DANIEL, who appeared for the Birmingham and Gloucester,
replied. when
ove`.I;CHAIR!.IAN said there was no use in spending much time
! the tat which was merely a matter of form. The great question
alint_ Committee to settle was that between the London and Bir-
ain and the Great Western lines, involving the broad and
ter lin gauges. The third scheme, the Birmingham and Glances.
_:,ainight be brought forward as an independent scheme.
crrangement being agreed to by the opposing parties,
stood t ii.stamax intimated that it must be now distinctly under.
hat there should be no further time spent in preliminary dia.
eussion, but that to-morrow, at twelve o'clock, they should at once
d to the consideration of the case en behalf of the London
and
c
low 8 rep-"'"'litiain Railway, and then the Great Western would fol.
ly.
The •
Caattruttee then adjourned.

Group DD.
131111313R01-1 AND GLASGOW RAILWAY (BRANCHES
TO STIRLING AND ALLOA).
UsUa
l o 1
h the re-asserubling of the Committee this morning at the
ur,
~.14„• Wit DMAN resumed his examination of witnesses on behalf
-4`1,t.00 rd Dunmore, in the opposition to the proposed branch to
1 4, of the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway.
caller T. lirl`rdickham, land agent at Stirling, was the first witness
imeds • He said he had known the estate of Lord Dunmoref sincel
,'tough
' A great deal ot moss grew on the surface o 'ugh which the contemplated branch to Alloa would pass. The
Zottkale usually adopted for clearing the land from moss on this
anowtei Was by collecting water in dams on the surface, and then
making nit lt to be precipitared with ciay
into the River Tay. The
eicr of the Alloa and Stirling branches would interfere mate-
hilider the With the reclaiming of these waste lands, as it would
the proper erection of dams, and interrupt the free flow of
Water through the channels for carrying off the moss. The
re% la
broom . nds before they are cleared are never leased, but when the_e
k1ic410.24 floated the ground will let from 501. to 701. per acre. H
sit wa Dunmore
-house perfectly well. It is a beautiful place,
fo'rtnated on an eminence, and commanding an extensive view of the
rth: Ind an uninterrupted , iew of the Grampian-hill in the distance.
and Proposed line approaches within 1,300 yards of the mansion,.
see.‘l3' a screen of wood would prevent the railway from being
and ', Ile has examined the deposited plans and book of reference,
qui 'now' the portion of Lord Dunmore's estate which will be re-
tie:" for the Alloa branch ; 2,130 yards within the line of devia-
kor. and 1,300 yards on the line itself, will be wanted. Lord Dun-
thr: and the Carnac family own the greater part of the property
, .rith which the Alloa branch will be carried.
Phillips,
but the main features of his evidence remained mi-
ke, ..,
pith
tb ~11,nstare then said he had no more witnesses to call, but
few ohLe_perMission of the Committee, would proceed to address a
few to attune to them on the evidence they had been listen.h
;Led Gia,,..l'he Learned Gentleman contended that the Edinburgh
'ants sliew Company had not kept good faith with tbe inhabnid-
: others
stitling. In 1832 a meeting of the land proprietdorsea.o lutions°l: Clackmannan and Stirling had been convened, an nuke -ad been passed to request the Edinburgh Company to
eationtt branch from Alloa to Stirling. In reply
makingtott.
ePpro.
Posed' the.,_ Company stated that they declined th
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resoi..u.tionb,ut
theiny cue they
co
's they had not
thheeytnteshouldn alterttnettng their
done. consult with the proprietors of the land. This .
e„ -1-,„,
tete., 4.3eY had not consulted withptLonteredt.DuTuhmeoyree
Ala t.: he was now endeavouring to
ve,,-;`' d ettrov log lsowchoonsetemin:
-4 th_ . his property, by erecting a lint which would pre.
taert,_
_c carrying off the mess. The Learned. Counsel then coin-
Alt,:ett at considerable length on the evidence tendered by the last
le et,' and concluded by expressing a desire that the Committee
Ogid
, not allow the preamble of the Bill to pass.
I..‘r. A us-rip then rose te address the Committee on behalf of the
;.otnburab arid-Glasgow branches. He commenced by saying that
n.e had so little faith in the effect of the address delivered in opposi.
non, by Mr. Wildman, that he would at once waive his right to
reply and leave his Interests entirely in the hands of the Committee.
A. n important point for the Committee to consider would be the
Immense advantage which had been derived to the public from the
construction of the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway. The conc.-
.
deration Which this Company had always entertained for the ac-
c:rnelodation of the public would be evidenced by the fact that up-
ards of 1,500,000/. capital had been expended in constructing the
r
to ka, and the only remuneration that had resulted
_‘. the promoters of the line was the trifling
P'els end of three per cent on the whole. He contended that, on
Zi.._..eedgrounds a: one, the Edinburgh and Glasgow Company were
of",:_ti to have the election of making the proposed branches to
oarnand Stirling. He would instance the decision of the House
4,1- trions itseif as an exponent of this opinion. The Committee
to
elll.o‘v Maturely considered the nature of the Bill, and,
sideratiTe them to come to an unbiassed decision, the con-
tohe belie:, of. the Caledonian line had been postponed.
the , ed it to be his auty to impress distinctly on the minds of
t`iineroMittee that the proposed branches for which he appeared,
ee.. Hoe contended for by the Scottish Central Company, could
gat ded in no other light than as two competing lines with 'Tie-
-% to local „tame.
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A e °to • Group 13.
t0,,,,_ tinttee re.assenibled at the usual hour this morning, and
-'t" with the case for the promoters of the
lt,lh• Chao WEST YORKSHIRE LINES.
'atiford % vVood, 111. P , was examined, to prove that the
tine aul 'Valley l • • k
It q that ine_ were pledged to ma r the Wea Yorkshire
'.. St at
the peo A • f Halifax were in favour of that line.
Ittr, uart tsiv , 4,,,,.... Cm.t.., or t, e y gave corroborative testimony.
.the perfect
liehav•-1 Ack, riradford Valley Line Provisional Committee.
Illt it t„1,4, of Halifax, gave evidence in favour of the line,
ue the best for the district through which it passed.

Group 0.
oni°ll4l\4) JUNCTION POTTERIES LINE.
-taittee met The ,in
daresse,iaththeubual hour. Mr. Hawes, Chairman.
Committee 'against the proposed line.
theaft GrZ°lf argument adoptedte b the Learned Gentleman was, that
i':earci;
tJUuction Railwa iny first proposing the " 'l' line" and
t';',tieular- Crescent FY' " looked to their own interests in
habitaonl;rnaking the convenience of the inhabitants of the Pot-
-nts ,Lnee°n(lary consideration. It was evident that the in.
the they Potteries were not in favour of the proposed line,
ito 8h tiie, "ukl be no doubt whatever they were in tavour of a
and and the Grand Junction Company d the line
ca'4e before the Committee at their ownsurveye peril.

Group I.
u
)4
The c,nttnit ELY AND HUNTINGDON.
, tee consistin of Lord Palmerston, Chairman
ti,,ct
t! alr. D ,
, ni D, eaiMer, Mr gF. Berkeley, and Mr. Leslie, re-assem-
, air, -°rtling at twe'lve. o'clock, in room No 15.
'l-°,4_'tiesaii°Zibi:tt said that he appeared on behalf of the Eastern
ti." e. titio,
tv ay. Which had presented a petih against the Bill.
second reading Lt-
714,iii,i
and
ha: ib)reeliseeivietdedthtlaitreesucicar
abehcoordee
tofeproceeding was in
tt,Ylle4leit3twith the standing orders of the House.
peti.
'l4 sil
d'4'lAN said that under the new regulations the
of
th' Comm°1-
.have been presented three days before the assembling
el Co i'ittee, and as that regulation was not complied with,
'he eu 4 k'ot entertain the petition, or hear counsel
.upon it.
-Tedeci to".tlnt then passed the preamble of the Bill and pro.
Pa" several clauses.

Group E.
This c, NE Group
AND BERWICK LINE.
Prue '°4trni
Ile_ et' With tree re.assembled at twelve o'clock this morning to
hear the ' the consideration of this case, which occupied them
i. tli. ~,,. whole of last week.
n 1, ,iteot,
t,,t road anas reexamined by Mr. TEMPLE. He stated that
the
ot_ estimate of the advantages which would accrue
uth i ith Sluelds Company from the extension to Tyne.
Th ',f the N
~,,ke nur,b 4 eweastle and Berwick line should be carried out.
gd'''th h, feer:f Persons passing anhually from Shie,ds to Tyne-
-4d The,„.nd to be 260,231 ; the revenue would be 27,020/, Bs.
,e' The ;"la.ge of fish, coals, ire., would amount to 1741. 15s.
''xt, 4, tak; °I-k'ng expenses would be 094/ leaving a net re.
aki4„ 'nl3 other s
ispao a tt,, i_._n . Mall matters into account.' The expenses of
,r he wh 4`, slim would be 35,350/. There were a number of
the,
thehari°"w go by steam who would make use of the railway
, On
c,--- oPPort unit
ie.441114,-.ll°t'' had the witness added that conditional ar.
14,11 h„ of :,had alreaay '''oeen made with the landholders for three-
-4' thr00...," land requisite for the works. They would have to
gla ISorth Shields by a tunnel of 76L yards in tenth.
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Group 0.
The
,13 ,KS AND HANTS RAILWAY.
Nib —Ligation of t'ie clauses of this Bill was resumed this
t,"14,1
etoB,befo e Comm. ittee• the Hon. T. H. Liddell, chairman,
„Nt , ciallss postpcned at the previous sittings were gone
7 nyth' 'NI several verbal amendments were proposed and accepted.
41lowe :23d °!an.e it was enacted that no tirst-class passenger shall
'efill,er theergornore than I 00Ibe. of lugage, or be charged more than
,„ed 601: °f 3d. per mile • that second. class passengers b a,
4'l th„ 0. of lu
4`.1% " third Clggage, and'be charged no more t nan 2d. per mile;
eti.at, of
iutia ass Passengers shall not be allowedda
mminicr.e Thale,
s44,::,o.!......thrli°roersactt,legse:la.ocir be charged more thabne 1/2/
shallnhermmenriclehapnedrisheeadlafter. the following
'2d. ditto ; Sheep,
'le, C 7 '41411 animals, d. ditto; Manure, li ,
Cattle,
d per ton per
tt
ale an.
Cotton, 4d.
sk ;m WI -- cult); 2d. ditto• Sugar, 3d, ditto;
-14.en,',”at' ld ditto, %Nal, p,: w, of et.:..rtig ii,to a special
The
Co • for peculiar ea:,ei Ztt:Ser„
.°,Thittee proposed. an increase on these charges—pas.
fueflpted---to the extent of 10 per cent on all goods carded
4, pert_-,,_:, than tb,„.
• , quarters of the whole length ot• the railway;length
:clap
,„'' t• for those carried not further than half the ;
1:01t ev," tent,
~ for those carried not more than one.quarter of the
sire to ;--hut
topet Chairman and the Committee, to whose
4 d° Justice
were ready to
%, r the . e all parties, and while they
00,,
to Interests of the Company, while they were e 1
v-dently
e th •
ed a troll.
di,,,, e rights of the public, this appear
length.
4jt ~111, ~ion and somewhat unnecessary ; and, alter a t .
th.iittiN th'ation, as the line was a short one, it was ultima.l.l
''e -,,, at fUrther Information be -yen before the prin.
1,..r a:„,, should given ttli,,' • b„, "T d•
he t',l on th;",r4, tLt Sccri..taly ui the C0,c.1,,i.y, Has thct, c.:.a-
-eii,'lated
~'' Point, and in reply to the inquiries of Mr. Enter isle,
,ttri . that in consequence of the expenses incurred by short
4114 eh'
P r I
Partly 11; t•Y by locomotive power, partly by the use of trucks,
y the Use of atation that rate of charge which would