The Sun.
London, England, 1816-03-13 00:00:00

those seven millions anti a IA three minions
Would be taken off the ag;ricuitur al interests,:
:The Earl of CARNARVON contended,' that the
. • noose should not be led away by the specious at.,
' gument, that the examination of the external and
internal situation.ot the country should be left to
his Majesty's Ministers, But had Miaisters ever
.., applied, their- attention to such a subject 1 Our
r gracious Regent had indeed in his Speech re 7
t commended economy, but liad his Ministers
~ thewn any tvish to adopt that recommendation?
t -
Ipatea,d. of that, they had promised. to visit our
poverty with a continuance. of the Property Tax,
and of a large standiog Army. Next to cite
r heavy load of taxation, he considered that the
ekricultoral distress of the country, depended
s,n tive low state of the correocy, owing to the
excessive issues of private Banks ihrongbout the
country. Even that branch of the sobject. he
thought called loudly on the House to go into
Kris Committee of ktopd Iy. The Noble
,Lord
.
-{liathurst) had recommended our keeping' up a
large force` for the purpose of preserving timbal-
ilTl C V of power.: but. the Noble l.arl should have
recollected the periods of William and Anne,
when we -returned With peace to our insular
policy; but whenever a new War arose we were
, the More ready."to throw Our Weight into the
licale of that portion of continental Europe with
which we pleased to take•a part. Power tor re-
yelling, el.iuger anti difficoltycame from the people;
::ad, with the return of.peace, such power ought
always to return to the people. He instanced
tile danger of maintaining u standing army, trial)),
the power which Cromwell obtained through a Si-
railar body. 'Our ancestors were jealous of, 4_
standing army, and so ought we to be; the more
so, because if our army were kept fire years in
. . France, it would be no more like a British army
than an army of Russiants Would be. He would
go the length of saying, that he believed there
usSrer was, au Administration that dared to insult
the country with proposing such an unnecessary
uktablishmeut and so enormous a taxation for a
period of peace. Every thing called loudly for
the llbuse to go into a CoMmittee of Enquiry ;
and it was due to the people to proceed to alleviate
their burthens.
' _The Earl of %Vasa-mot:ELAND thought there
were no grounds for going into a Committee on
the State of the Nation at the present moment.
The distress of Ireland was that' which might na-
turally be expected to fall on an agricultural
country, at u period when, front various changes
in the sit oat ion of !he country, produce, the value
of which amounted to 5 or 6,000.000/. had boil'
thrown 1144 upon the market, He defended the
Peace Establialiturna which had been proposed,
and showed no saving of importance could he ef-
fected by those plans of retrenchment which had
hi:en suggested. Thoic who condemned the Es-
timates differed fi;ohr themselves on 'a former
night. They loy.+ then denied that the Peace,
wes•seetoe: lie thought they could not con
. • aistenily bold this language tom; while they as.
serteditra military force, Which it was in comm.
pl.ttion to keep up in this country, was wholly
unnecessary. If the force called for was in their
opinion Mitred unnecessary, thin it followed the
peace must be secure. Much had hccu raid of
the right of ,the people to have the Property Tax
taken off on the return of peace. He-knew of no,
right that they bad to demand any thing incon-
sistent with 'their comfirm The Property' TaX
was considered to be that which would be found
least oppressive, and therefore it was that Govern.
meta proposed to,,rattew. it on ' a reduced scale.
The people had a right to. expectt hat, the national
dipcnditure should be reduced as much as -pos-
sible. This had been done. It would be for
Government to -consider what further reductions
could be made in future years.
• The Earl of DARNLEY supported 'the motion.
It had been said in another place:that, the public
. bad manifested an ignorant impatience to be re-
leased front taxation. He thought those who
lteld thia langtiage had displayed an Ignorant ea-
gerness to impose unnecessary burthens on the
country; it appeared, to be the object of Minis-
ters to bear down our navy and
,to raise up" our
army beyond all former precedtan, Before 'the
Hoposeil estahlishinent was voted, he hoped the
ousc would consider what must he the conse-
,
sittetice of its receiving their sanction, and he
trusted, by such
.a . vote they would not cause the
, . Property Tax (which he was cute, could not' be.
' paid.). to. be attain laid tin the nation. Alin istei s
Would not.find this tux answer their purpose' n
peace, as it had done, in war, and lie, hoped, be-
fore it was too,late, they, would consider kvlrethei
the nation might not be spared this odious impost.
The Duke of I E D F.O HD shortly replied.
Lord Lvsmuocit, as a Noble Lotdhad men-
' Coned the Military Club as being connected with
the political systeth of the country, thought it ne-
cessary to Or, .as well in reply ter ,that Noble
Lord, as in ,answer to those misrepresentations
aVhich some Geieletneu in another place bad (un-
4ntentionally, lit had doubt,) pronuilgated, that
this institution was in no way connected with the
polities of the
,Gorernment. The :insinuation
that bad been thrown out, that a certain' Rills-
ttions individual had interfered in its aflairs; and
that undue means bad been taken to induce Ofii-:
cers to enter the Club, he, on in.tjuiry, wasautho-
- rimed to.state, dealt to) foundation whatever, lie,
should vote for the . motion of the NOble rike..-
.npt that he withdretv, his confidence front Minis-
. tors, wlioe policy, which bad conducted the war
tit so r, 4-,lotHoi it (*elusion, he highly applauded;
but in, the present st ate of the country, lie, thought
Ihe iitttinity culled for was very desirable, if not
absolmely necessary.
A divi,iiou then taint 'Place, when there ap-
peared
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