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AMEN ATION OF
DR. NPJDOUALL.

GREENWICH POLICE' COURT,
(THIS DAY,)
lir. JEREMY, the Magistrate, took his seat on the
binich, and having disposed of several of the night
charges.
1)r. l'etßr Murray M'Douall was placed at the bar,
-who ,stated that he lived at Walworth, and was a medical

man

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efore the charge was gone into, the defendant pro-
te,tol police interfering- with a legally con-
stituted, laoeting, against their refusing bail for his ap-
p,-nuance last night, and against the competency of the
tr:honal.

Se eerintendeet Mallen -deposed—about eight
e'else% Iss: night I was at the Broadway, and in copse-
ef information I received, I went to the Dissent-
:,ne; '!mise4 Ifigle-street. A party of police had been
t hese ti eleas (stile chapel. There were about 1,300
.pursons- outside the chapel. There was a stream of per-
Sss going towards. the Broadway. I was told that
:Mail:all. was gone towards the Broadway. I went
there. There was a great crowd. Arriving at the
I;ronlswav, I übserved M'Douall elevated ou the
tatme, -an:l- addressing a crowd, which was con-
t i Ily increasing.. The footway was impeded,
and the earsiage-way was full of persons. I heard
M‘l)ottali say, "The tyrant aristocracy of the country
who are trampling upon the rights of the poor men."
The words were to that effect, and I believe they
were. his . very words. I heard persons in the
erowd say the police had no business there, and
They shied serve them- as they did at Kentish-
t mss ; what chance would they stand if they were to set
open them. This was said, by a.person in a flannel jacket
not known in the neighbourhood. I approached
M‘Donall and said, this is not a legally convened
meeting. I apprehend a disturbance of the peace, and
yousmest desist. There must have been upwards of
2.000-nrisams present at the time. It was rather more
iken half-past eight in the evening. I told M'Douall I
. ‘v:Ss- 'superintendent of pike, and he must come down.
telt! him I took plum. myself the responsibility of inters
pt ing-the proceediaes's. He said let me announce it to
the- meeting. I said No, you had better, come down.
down. I think some slight force was used. I
,siid to him, if you will promise to go away peaceably I
eesznit you to go.. I directed the police to Make a
.tnuroterh fare for him. He remained, and said he would
.
les long as he thought proper. I directed him to
ssshe taken. to the station-house. There was consider-
:, able excitement among the people there at the time.
s.They • hissed, groaned, and clamoured against the
An immense concourse of people followed us to
the station. Those expressions were continued all the
nay to the station. There were several attempts to
rescue the prisoner from the custody of the officers who
bad charge of him. Many of those present were strangers
to the place. The conduct of the people was calculated
to excite terror. I heard many persons express appre-
hensions for the puhlic peace. During eleven years' ex-
perience I have never seen an assemblage in this neigh-
bourhood so mischievously inclined. The place where
they %vers., assembled was the Dover-road.
Cross-examined by the Defendant-1 am aware there
ssa: a mesting announced to take place at the chapel by
a riararti. fdecline giving an opinion as to the legality
,e:l7.Plegalitv of that meeting. I did not apprehend u dis-
-
imissise of the public peace from a meeting in the
chapel. The placard stated that the meeting was to
j!,)lsiticr the alarming distress of. the country.
Mr. JEREMY—It was to be supposed that the meeting
w0..1(i be of a religious character from its being in a chapel.
Tit following handbill was then produced
On Tuesday, July 26, 1842.
-= cruicF. Esq., the eloquent advocate of
the clainas of Humanity, will deliver a LECTURE, at
iigh-street Ateeting-house, Deptford, on the present
plsrming Distress in the Country.
The Chair will be taken at 7 o'clock precisely. -

Several Gentlemen (Delegates to the Conference
Low ;tittle.. in Load n) will attend, and make a state-
-Intix the deplorable destitution of the population in
,:irion; parts of the. country.
attendance of all classes is respectfully invited."
erms-e.:amined.—l do not know Mr. Thomson. I am
unable to say 'whether he is a parson or not. Ile is, I
believe, concerned with the Anti-Corn-law Conference.
I considered, from what I knew of the minister of the
...impel, that the meeting in the chapel could not lead to
disturbance. I accidentally heard there was a dis- -
surbance there, and went there. Ido not know of any
rer,ou being in custody for anything that took place in
ins, chapel. I did not hear that the meeting was ad- •
jourited from the eimpel. I heard that Dr. INl'Douall
was aticatt to address the meeting. The persons, from
whom I karncd that, seemed desirous that you should
:address them. There are posts in the broadway,
separating the open space from the street.
tr. .11;at31Y—I believe it is enclosed with posts, and
p arsons are permitted to put stalls there.
Dr.ll'Dottall—l wish to prove that the Broadway is
ti imNie ray, and that the householders have a right to
uto•m- there.
Mr.,.IERF.m.v.--That will make it rather against you,
as you would he obstructing a public thoroughfare.
Cross-c-xamination resumed—Mr. Hind told me he
was alarmed—that the thing was serious.' I never
-Wd you I would knock you down. The height is sb.-.
feet. You Were assisted down by the police. The police
present.
Dr. M‘Douall—l desire. that the witnesses may' with-

Ara w.
h. JEREM 1,7 —Let the witnesses on both sides leave

the Court.
The witnesses then left the Cottrt.
- • The cross-examination resumed—lt is usual to have
:a crowd following a person when be is arrested. There
rc.rtainly was a much greater crowd last night than on
Aoy other occasion. You were not in custody when you
came ,off 'the pump. I have no recollection of your saying
to me, "Take it coolly." I made a thoroughfare for you
vac y•-iste enough to enable you to get away. I believe
you said you should please yourself as to which way you
tvent. I Said, "Oh ! you won't go—then arrest him."
1. did not perceive you make any. resistance. I did not
sear of any policeman being struck. I saw but few
A•;: town,. and no children. A great part of those who
sat 'founded you were the scum of our parish.
.lEirt3sr —Oh ! Mr. Mallilieu, you should not
snake ‘l,-;e of such language.
• Dr. At 'Donalt—Did you fear that scum, as you call it ?
-Ara: linen—Am Ito answer that question ? This
may
go on all day.
3-Eit.y.stv—Then it must go on all day, or for se-
vm-1.1 days—the line of cross-examination appears to be
fah: one. • •
Crossi-examination.—During the course of the evening
bait was offered. f refused it. The person who offered bail
offered tor escort you a considerable way home. I re-
fused it on my own responsibility. I said that in the
excited state of the town I could not discharge you.
" There was no 'damage done to property or person in
-Deptford. that L.-know of, last night. Two persons
otrered bail. I should have taken it under ordinary dr-
,ennistances. One said he offered it from respect for your
-I,inviples, and another because he thought you a well.
meaniitg man. Bail was first offered about ten o'clock.
\tr. John Wade—l am 'a builder and shopkeeper, liv-
ing in Deptford. I am a trustee of the independent
(1,41. I drew up the hand-bill produced, and it was
by my direction, in concurrence with the Rev.
.1. Pulleit,,the minister. It was not fur any discussion
Oat meeting w4s
called. Its purpose was to excite sym-
lathy for the distressed, but not for an immediate sub-
- scri tion• subseriplion had, been forwarded before the
p
(queen's letter came out. It was to hear a lecture on the
distress -of the country. The chapel was pretty full at
seven o'clock, when I entered it. There was a little dis-
turbance at the commencement of the meeting. Some
person' , who were strangers, wished to speak and enter
• .iWo a discussion, which was contrary to the object of the
ti meeting. The person announced as lecturer did not
,come, but another person was asked to supply the
, The disturbance passed off, and Mr.
gaylor proceeded with his lecture, and having
ivneluded it sat dwn. There was a little dis-
tHeiginc, and the minister of the chapel dissolved
The "fleeting. There were about 1,000 persons
pres-ent. After the minister bad dissolved the meeting
-the piaci, was cleared. The people walked out without
nny disturbance.', The meeting seperated peaceably.
There were pat* there. I think they were sent for by
any brother. I understood from him that some persons
jhad attempted to get possession of the platform at the
beginning of the meeting, and that they had been sent for
5111 00n 2qu en ce. I saw the pollee remonstrate with some
ner..ons who were disturbing the meeting, and endeavour-
lag. to get upon the. plattorm. I saw Dr. M'Douall
He was not invited. He was one of the audience.
I sa►improper in his conduct. The Rev. Mr.
31 otOng
ram dissolved the meeting, by saying I dissolve this

meeti
os ng.
,examig NI by Mr. M‘Dottall—The meeting aa
Crs-
not et attired to `She frequenters of the chapel. Alllsl
classs. were invites 40 attend the lecture.
Any
person
was at. liberty to come in. 'lt was an assembly to hear
a leztcre. There was a-_. Chairman,, but he was not
he chair as a matter. of
elect ad. The minister wok t
course. Mr. Thompson and Mr. Taylor were. both
strang :ors. I stood beside you on the platform. ,I saw
..netlfo ig improper in your conduct whatever: I heard
york 9 Ay that a discussion should take pli:ce out of doors.
S did.. not hear- the Chairman propose any adjournment..
Thert 1: was no right to adjourn the meeting. The meet-
int.7, hal not the power to elect a Chairman. No reso-
Jui!lon was proposed. It was an invitation for the mi-
lli, ter and trustees to come and hear a lecture. I know
ho .tiiik-t about the meeting on the Broadway. I could
n 0", gut 1-ar from your. gestures that you sere likely to
61.
_ bycute.:. breach of the peace. Mr. Taylor was invited
:me. Dr. Al'Douall, and Mr. Taylor and myself
wa Pr ed away arm in arm.
the
r. Davis .alal --- led.l am a reporter. I was present at
treporter.ra
Immediately after the minister
had chair : taken the disturbance commenced' by a
zertx' • ,11 in the gallery rising and proposing that a general
should takmeißicaetelas the lecturer had not
Ziseti .lion
areivt le. There was i
one it , a
inery dupepropose at great uproar. Some
a at akidnigtternbsletould take
the ch-rtirf and the oar
attempt was made to e ame very
get on the table by a
heat. An There was a violent resistarce to
I iers(i a in the P';"v-
qt„,,, lion was put as to a working man taking-
ghat.' The
\:.,as impossible to say if it was carried
4 'ha chair, but it
put by the minister, but by some one
3t mint. It was not,
iw: the body of -tti., - chapel. There was struggling bee-
for Jive or six minutes. During
them the two. partie4.,
three policeman entered the
the - disturbance two- at'
ed to increase the disturbance.
shape!, which rather self

heard.,a cry of -they have _§eulAtrilitil44,
person,_-peinting-40. 'The:- minister, said, -.".1s
this the Christianity of Jesus Christ,.to send for men to
rob us of our liberty ?" There were. cries raised of
" Turn the police out," and, on the other side, of "Turn
out those Chartists." The clamour became general ;
more police arrived ; Mr. Taylor got on the table, and
something like order having been restored, he addressed
the meeting at some length. After that another person
got up in the body of the chapel, and began to speak.-
The confusion was renewed. The minister- of the chapel
got on the table, and declared the meeting was dissolved.
Cheers were proposed for the Charter, and for F. O'Con-
nor, and for . Dr. M'Douall, which were given, and the
cries of " Adjourn" followed, and I left the chapel soon
after. When the persons were passing out I saw Dr.
M'Douall on the table, attempting to speak. Mr.
J. Wade stated that the chapel had not been
granted for a discussion but for the purpose of having
a lecture. I went to the Broadway, and saw about 600
people round the pump, and some young man was hold-
ing forth. The crowd increased to about 2,000. I saw
Dr. M'Douall on the pump, but could not hear what he
said. 1 left by the nine o'clock train for London.
Cress-examined.—l am a reporter for the morning
papers. I did not hear you make any observation before
some one had proposed that there should be a general
discussion. I came there as a perfect stranger. I saw
nothing to alarm me there. It appeared to me to be a
mere trial of strength between two parties. The object
of Mr. Taylor's lecture was partly to show that the repeal
of the Corn-laws would relieve the distress of the country.
I have been at many public meetings, but I never saw so
much disturbance at any meeting.
Wm. Shvttleworth, R 183.—1 was ordered to the
Chapel last evening at eight o'clock. 1 saw a man strike
Mr. G. Wade, who was sitting under the pnlpit. The
man afterwards pushed to go into the seat. 1 took the
man into custody. I took him to the station-house. Mr.
J. Wade's brother came up to the station-house, and said
that Mr. G. Wade refured to charge him, upon which he
was released.

Police Sergeant Smith.—l was sent for to the Chapel,
and found Mr. Taylor speaking. The Chapel was then
quiet. I left a party of constables at the door, and re-
tired to the station. Shortly after eight o'clock saw
females come to the station crying, and one nearly faint-
ing, and said that they were killing each other in High-
street. They were in a great fright. I returned
to the Chapel, and found the place in a complete uproar,
and persons struggling and pushing. Some one desired
me to have the place cleared, and,l cleared it. Several of
the seats had been broken down. I afterwards went to
tho Broadway. I heard the people gay that M'Douall
was gone there. (The witness then corroborated the
testimony of Superintendent Mallilieu as` to the occur-
rences in the Broadway-which preceded and accompanied
the apprehension of the defendant.) On M'Douall ; ap-
pearing to be reluctant to come down from the pump, I
seized one leg, and, another constable seized the other,
and we partly pulled and partly assisted him down. He
refused to leave when required by Mr. Malliliec, saying
it was a public place, and he had a right to be there. He
persisted in remaining where he was, and I took him
into custody. The mob was violent; calling out to rescue
him. One person laid hold of Mr. Mallalieu, calling out
at the same time " Rescue ! Put down the police !"
I left Dr: M-Douall in charge of other constables, and
took the man, whose name is Macslow, into custody.
The crowd filled up the Market-place, and obstructed
the carriage-road.

Cross-eXamined.—lt was before the meeting in Broad-
way that the females came to the station-house., If you
had requested me to assist you to keep the peace in the
chapel, I should have done so. You used no resistance
after you were arrester?, but you exhibited-a sullen re-
solution not to go away. I think you told the super-
intendent to take it coolly.
Dr. ll‘Douall said be should call twenty or thirty wit-
nesses to prove that they lived in the neighbourhood of
the Broadway, and were not alarmed.
Mr. JEREMY—That may be. You may call ell the
2,000 persons who it appears agree with you
in opinion to say they were not alarmed. It
is a matter of nerve. Mr. Mallilieu was not
alarmed, but the question is if there was anything
to create alarm in the minds of the ordinary run of per-
sons. If there was, the assembly of such a crowd was a
misdemeanour, or, at all events, a circumstance to war-
rant the interference of the police.
Sergeant Lovell, It 15, was called, and, after describing
the state of things at the chapel when the meeting broke
up, said that Mr. Wade said such conduct ought not to
be pursued in the chapel, and that it must be cleared ;
upon which Dr. M‘Douall got on the platform, and said
they should have a meeting in the open air.
Cross-examined—l heard no motion for adjourning
the meeting proposed.
Mr. Hugham, a watchmaker, was at the chapel last
night. Ile described the proceedings in the chapel us
they have already been given in the evidence of former
witnesses, but stated nothing to implicate I)r. M'Douall.
In his way home witness went through the Broad-
way, and saw a mob collected there, and Dr.
M'Douall mounted on a pump. Mr. Mallilieu,
and the police then came up. Mr.' Mallilieu
told I)r. M`Douall that this was not a regular meeting,
and that he could not speak. The police assisted him
down. Dr. M'1)ouall was asked to go quiety home.
and he refused to go, he said he should go when he
pleased. The police made way for him to go on. Ile
refused to go. He was then taken into custody. Wit-
ness accompanied them to the station-house, and heard
remarks made on the conduct of the police.
Mr. JEREMY—Do you think if there had been no in-
terference by the police with the meeting that the dis-
turbance would have subsided ?—Witness : I think not.
It the police had not interfered the disturbance would
have been greater, and would have increased.
Cross-examined—The tone of Mr. Taylor's address
had reference to the Corn-laws. I heard two or three
persons standing at the doors on the pavement say that
it was a shame such a meeting should be -held. I was
not alarmed myself. "These expressions were used before
you were taken into custody. I saw two or three
scuffles, as you were being conveyed to the station-
house. Several of the persons who-were scuffling, were
violent in the chapel.
This closed the case on the part of the police.
Mr. JEREMY said he would then give his opinion on
the case, which might perhaps save some time.
If Dr. M'Dowall had any evidence to controvert
the facts of the case, he would hear them ; but
it appeared to him that the necessary consequence of
the conduct of the defendant was to cause a disturbance
of the public peace. He did not say that the defendant
intended it, but it was a necessary consequence of his
conduct. No one had a right to go to a meeting called for
a specific purpose, and, nolens miens, to attempt to intro-
duce some other subject, and to eject the chairman from
the chair. That was conduct of all others likely to
create a disturbance, and, if the police had not
luckily interfered, it would have led to some
affray. It appeared that the defendant had been
holding an illegal meeting at an illegal place, and at an
unseasonable hour, and the least that he could do would
be to hold deft ndant to bail to keep the peace and be of
good behaviour for six months. • If anything like a
previous concert to interrupt the meeting at the chapel
could have been proved, he should have felt it is duty to
send him to trial fora misdemeanour.

The defend:4lA then gave security, himself in SCI, and
two sur9ties in 25/. each, to be of good behaviour for
six months.

The defendant was then discharged.
John Dowling of Chelsea, bricklayer, Conrad Warren,
a coach-maker's apprentice, living at 4, Waterloo-place,
J. Marston, and Thomas Vardy, charged with attempting
to rescue P. M. M‘Douall from the police, were ordered
to find bail for their appearance in the Court to-
morrow morning to have the charge investigated. The
Court was then adjourned.
• Dr. M'Douall, on leaving the court, was loudly cheered
by the crowd outside.
The court was crowded to excess, and we beg to return
our thanks to the worthy Magistrate for his kind and
courteous attention in affording us every accommodation
in his power.

COAL MARKET.-(THIS DAY.)
Ships arrived since last market .day, 6.
e. d.
Chariot to l6 6
Chester Main
Morrison's Hartley
Nelson's West Hartley l7 0
New Tantield Moor l3 9'
Old Tanfield .....«....» l3 9
South Pontop
Tangeld Moor • lB 6

R. d
WallslEnd Helton 1:0 6
Walk End Lambton CO 3
Walls End Morrison
Walls End Stewart's tO 9
Walls End Whitwell l9 0
Walls End Hartlepool
Walls End Bengt' • Hall '2o
Walls End Adelaide
Walls End Barrett ls U
Walls End Brown's Deanery 15 0
Wale Ei.d Hopter l7 ti
Walls End Seymour Tees l7
Wahl: Fr.d lees .
Blythe l4 6
Cowpen
Howard's Netherton Main 17 0

Wylam
Walls End Killingworth
Walls End Nor' huroberland 17 0
Walls End Perkins l6 6
Walls End ltiddelPs lB 0
Walls End Belmont
W. E. lisaddyll'sHettou :Al 9
Walls End Haswell.

STATE OF TRADE.
(From the Manchester Guardian of this day.)
MANCHESTER.—The remarks made in various
quarters upon the account of the market which we
gave last Wednesday, has induced us to make very
careful inquiries on the subject in the best quarters to
which we have access ; and the result of those in-
quiries convinces us that, with the exception of one
trifling and incidental statement (which was not made
in any positive terms, and which has already been cor-
rected), that account Was perfectly well founded. We are
quite aware, that upon this point there are considerable,
and, we believe, very honest differences of opinion,
arising probably, in great measure, from the extent
to which men allow their judgments to be warped
by those political feelings which at the present
time are brought to bear strongly even upon ques-
tions of a merely mercantile character. With po-
litical matters, however, we have nothing • to do
here ; and we should have been undeserving of
the confidence which the public have placed
in our weekly statements on this subject, if we
had permitted any extraneous considerations what-
ever to in terfere with the way in which we re-
cord the state of this important market. With these
few cbservations, which circumstances appeared to
require at our hands, we proceed to mention the state
of business yesterday.
In the yarn market there was a fair business doing
on Russian account, and a little more demand for
numbers and qUalities suitable for the East India
market. The German buyers, on the contrary,
have somewhat relaxed in their operations ; and the
and other
market was not animated, though prices continue per-
for skirtings,
continues tiu without
fweicdtelyelflortbms.
suitablelhe demandfor
r .
shipping,
any material change from last week. The advance
upon inferior shirtings, which we stated to have been
then demanded by the manufacturers, but not gene-
rally acceeded to by the buyers, May now be con-
sidered as fully established; and, in some cases, an ad-
vanee of id. to lid. has alsO been obtained upon the
superior qualities. In domestics, - how ever, there is

.446.1.441Koawinent in price. - ?or -printing- cioihs-;---whieli
ilave•suffered a long and most severe depression; there
has been 4 little -more inquiry within thelast few days ;
and parties willing to accept the very lowest prices
that have been current, have found no difficulty in
obtaining them, especially for 66-reed cloth, which is
in rather better demand than the superior qualities.
On the whole, we may state—and, we believe, without
incurring any danger of the contradiction given to our
statements last week—that there is, generally ipeak-
ing, more firmness in the market, and a more gene-
ral feeling of confidence, both amongst manufacturers
and dealers, than has prevailed for a number of week's
past ; and we are glad to find that this feeling is not
confined to the Manchester market, but, as far as we
can learn, pervades the Manufacturing and mercantile
classes generally.

ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, MONDAY, JULY
25.—There has been a duller market to-day than Ive
have had for some time ; but few buyers have been
in the market, and a very limited number of pieces
sold. Prices are, as formerly, very low. In wools
there has been very little doing at any prices.

ELECTION COMMITTEE.
(THIS DAY.)
IPSWICH.
The Committee met again this morning at the
usual hour, P. M. Stewart, Esq., in the chair.
Mr. Kingslake resumed his address ; after which
Mr. Austin rose on behalf of the sitting Members ;
and at four o'clock the Committee adjourned till to •
morrow.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER tool: the Chair shortly before Four
o'Clock.

Mr. B. HUGHES presented a petition from Car-
narvon against the St. Asaph and Bangor Prefermmt
Bill.

Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD presented a
petition from Samuel Gordon, of Aungier-street,
Dublin, which states that the just and humane prin-
ciple, that the Irish poor are entitled to be fed on the
soil of their birth, has been violated by the Irish
Poor-law Oct, and diverted into schemes of
building prisons called workhouses, where. no
work is to be done. That the English public
are deceived by the reports of the Commissioners into
the belief that the Irish poor are relieved, whilst, in
truth, the CoMmissioners devour to 1r great extent
those funds, in the support of their own establishments,
which ought to be applied to the use of the poor, who
are not relieved at ail under the present system. The
petitioner prayed that-the 'Commissioners should be
abolished, and that in their place a Board of Auditors
should 'be appointed, whose duty should be limited to
the auditing of the accounts of the Local Beards of
Guardians.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from
Mr. Cleave and Mr. Harris against any 8-, ant in
favour of Mr. Hullah's system of musical education,
without inquiry into thal of Mr. Mainzer.

Dr. NICHOLL presented a petition from Cardiff
against the truck system.
Mr. O'CO.NNELL presented a petition from
Bungay, complaining of the grievances under which
Roman Catholics laboured.
COPYRIGHT OF DESIGNS BILL.

- The Report on the Copyright of Designs Bill, was
postponed till Friday next.
music. toit. THE MILLION.

Mr. ACLAND presented a petition from a gen-
tleman of independent fortune; named Turner, stating,
that he had anticipated the efforts now made to in-
struct the people in singing, not asking for any
pecuniary reward, but praying that any grant of the
public money might not be applied to any particular
person or plan, but to the advancement of musical
knowledge generally.
NOTICES OF MOTION.—PARLIAMENTARY

REFORM,
Mr. S lIA RMA N CRAWFORD gave notice
that, early next session, he should move for leave to
bring in a Bill to extend the Parliamentary Suffrage,
and to make other alterations in the Election Laws,
with a view to effect a full, fair, and free representa-
tion ;of the people in the Commons' House of Par-
liament.

LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND.)
Mr. S. CRAWFORD also gave notice that, early
next cession, he should move for a Select Committee
to inquire into the state of the law of Landlord and
Tenant in Ireland; also, the system of letting lands—
the nature and duration of tenures—and the propor-
tion which the rent bears to :the gross produce in
different districts of Ireland.