Star.
London, England, 1830-03-19 00:00:00

Lord BINGHAM presented a petition against the Vestry Act,
from a place in Ireland and another against the Subletting Act.
Colonel LUSHINGTON presented a petition from Carlisle, for
a revision of the Criminal Law.
Lord BELFAST presented a petition against the renewal of the
East India Company's charter, from Beltlist.

IZPORX or PAILWINNT.
The Marquis of BLANDFORD presented a petition fora re-
form in parliament, from a parish in Norfolk.
The same NOBLE LORD mowed an address to the crown for a
return of the number of persons entitled to vote for members of par.'
'lament in Ireland, specifying the number in each place.
Mr. ROSS doubted the possibilty of making out the return with
any accuracy.
Mr. BENNETT Attuned that last year the same return had
been ordered for Great Britain.

Mr. HUME did not see where the difficulty existed : if there
were any, no return would be made.
Sir J. NEWPORT observed that of course the number of free.
holders was registered. He thought that an approximation might
be made to the correct number.

The Marquis of BLANDFORD was willing to add to the
motion the words "as far as might be practicable."
Mr. BATLEY remarked, that no such a return had been
made from Great Britain on account of the difficulty of making it.
After a few words from Mr. Alderman WAITHWAW, Mr. HustE,
and Sir J. NEWPORT, the return was ordered.

CRIMINAL. LAW.
Mr. BRAMSTON presented a petition from Chelmsford, pray-
ing the abolition of !capital punishments in all cases excepting
murder.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY presented a petition from Newcastle-upon-
Tyne, signed by magistrates, barristers, bankers, and others,
praying that the punishment of death might not be inflicted in cases
of forgery.
Sir J. NEWPORT entered into a brief explanation of seine
statement made by him on a former day; it was a correction founded
upon a letter from a right rev. prelate, but it was impossible to catch
the nature of that correction.

DISTRESS.
Mr. BROWNLOW presented a petition from certain operatives
In the cotton trade, of Dublin, complaining of distress, and praying
employment.
Lord W. POWLETT presented a petition from Sunderland
against capital punishments.
The same noble lord presented a petition flora Darlington, pray-
ing
a revision of the criminal code. Both to lie upon the table.
Mr. PITT presented a petition from the publicans of Chelten.'
ham and its vicinity, praying that no alteration might be made in
the laws relating to licenses. To He on the table.
Mr. KEMP presented a petition from Lewes, praying for a resi.'
sion of the criminal code.
Mr. TRANT supported the prayer of the petition, observing,
that it was a national disgrace to inflict capital punishment for of-
fences against property.
Mr. O'CONNELL moved fora return of the freemen and free
burgemse• of the borough of Carlow, in Ireland, distinguishing the
residents and nonresidents. A similar order bad been made last
session, but it had not been answered. It was stated that the bo-
rough was the property of Lord Charleville, and he returned the
member who represented that place in parliament.
The motion for the return was agreed to.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the Roman Catholic
Inhabitants of Galway, and from other Residents of that town, In.
eluding 50 Protestant freemen, praying a restoration of the rights of
Roman Catholics respecting eligibility to become Freemen of Gal-
way.—To be printed.
The same Honourable Mexant presented petitions against the
Subletting Act horn a Parish in the County of Kilkenny ; from Rosa-
earberry, in the County of Cork ; and from a place In Galway.--To
be printed.
Mr. SYKES moved for a Retarn of the Tonnage of Vessels, in.
wards and outwards, of the Ports of Ireland, from the sth of Jan.
1823, to the sth of Jan. 11130, distinguishing the port of Dublin
from the others.—Agreed to.
Mr. MACQUEEN presented a petition from Bedfordshire, coin.
plaining of the general distress ; likewise a similar petition from
Haddington..—To lie on the table.
Admiral SOTIIERON presented a similar petition from the
retail dealers of Southeote, in Nottingham—Aho to lie on
the table.

Mr. JEPRSON wished to ask a question of the noble lord
opposite respecting a memorial which had been agreed to by the
grand jury of the county of Cork on the subject of trials which had
been postponed, as they conceived, unnecessarily, and In conse-
quence of which it became necessary for them to apply fix a special
commission at considerable expense to the county. Retuma had
been moved for on the subject, and the reply was, that no trace of
such • memorial could be found. The return signed by Mr. Gre.'
gory, and dated from the Civil Office, at the Castle in Dublin, was,
that no trace of such a memorial could be discovercd.As he had stated
that a memorial of that nature was transmitted, he found himself
placed in rather a disagreeable situation. There could be no doubt
that inch a memorial was forwarded, and he wished to know from
the noble lord how it happened that the copy of the memorial Gould
not be laid before the house ?
Lord F. 1.. GOWER said he was absent from Dublin when
the memorial was sent up, and was really not just then able to
account for no trace of it appearing.
Mr. O'CONNELL. said he was Counsel for the principal pri-
soner on that occasion, and the Crown Counsel were not to blame.
Cork twat the last town on the Circuit, and had the Judge remained
but for one night longer, the expense of The Special Commission
might have been spared.
Mr. R. KING said that he, as Foreman of the Grand Jury, had
forwarded the Memorial—it was a case deserving the actions atten-
tion of Government.

Sir C. BURRELL presented s Petition from the Parish of Ship.
ley, in Sumiex, praying for protection to British Wool.—Ordered to
lie on the Table.

be could not for an instant doubt, after the numerous petitions
from counties and other places which were laid on their table.
(Hear, hear.) That evidence was more indisputable than private
letter, or anonymous communications; more unquestionable even
than the letters from Mr. Kirkman Finlay, of Glasgow. or Mr.
Gott, of Leeds, respectable as were those gentlemen. (Hear, hear.)
As to the flourishing state of trade at Glasgow, what said the
petitions front Renfrewshire, and Dumbartonshire ? Why they
had never known such severe distress as now existed there.
But if there were no distress in Scotland or Ireland. was that to
be any ground for not instituting inquiry into the distresses of
all the productive and labouring classes In England? Had
any one declared, had any htmourable member insinuated, that
there was not as severe distress as had been alleged to exist
in the West of England ? Then why was not inquiry to be inset.
toted ? If there were not still more numerous tiees than had I
already been presented, he believed it to result TOM well-grounded
ti
confidence in the care of that house. The petitions were authentic
proofs of the existence of distress ; and he thought the house would
not do its duty except it instituted this inquiry. As to " universal"
distress, there could be no such thing ; there would always be some
classes exempt from distress—but he maintained that there was
general distress amongst all the labouring and productive classes.—
(Hear, hear.) Such general distresses as loudly called for inquiry
and remedy. He was ready to 'Klink that the withdrawing of the small
notes had been productive of many inconveniences. The situation
of affairs might be something better in Scotland than in Eng.
land—but the markets there were in a dreadful state. In Kirk.
cudbright and elsewhere, according to letters he had recently re.
rived, cattle had been absolutely unsaleable. As to the country
banking system of England, it required revision ; but at the same
time, he must say that the treatment of English bankers was abo-
minable ;—(hear,) the case of the Scotch bankers was inquired
into, but that of the English bankers wan decided without any in-
quiry at all. But though he was for Investigating the country
banking system, he would not acquiesce in any measure that would
affect the principle of the measure of the year IBl9.—(hear, hear.)
He thought the references made to Mr. Peel, as the author of that
measure, were unfair. It was not Mr. Peel's bill in reality,
though called such; it was recommended by committees after most
laborious and anxious inquiries; and it was carried as it were b
acclamation. The ministerial speeches were followed by load
cheering on that occasion ; all approved of the measure; In fact It
was the measure of the whole house, and for which the house, and
not any individual, ought to be held answerable. He considered it
right to express thus much, because he thought it cruel and unjust
so constantly and so personally to attack the right hon. gent. (Mr.
Peel) on account of that bill, as if he, and he only, were answerable
for that bill, and all the difficulties that might have resulted from it.
In all cases of change of currency it was the lender who ran the
risk, and not the borrower; and if that measure bad not been adopted
bankruptcy would have been the consequence. They had it from
his Majesty's speech that the seasons were bad—but they had heard
no other cause for the distress, which was beyond the reach of legis-
lative controul. If the situation of the country was so promising,
what evil, he would ask, would result from the committee? But
if, on the contrary, the gleam of hope should pass away, would not
the house repent it had not agreed to the prayer of the petitions on
the table ? Under these circumstances he felt himself called upon
to give his vote for the motion of the hon. member for Shoreham.

Mr. 'W. WIIIT3IORE said he did not rise for the purpose of
denying that the country suffered more now than it had done for
sonic years back, nor would he deny that the alteration in the cur.
rency had added to that distress. There were usually two effects
produced by a change of currency. One was the market price of
gold, and the other the real price of that article. A system of
credit grew up untkr a paper currency which could not be supported
under a metallic currency, and the change must therefore be pro.
ductive of loss to one class of the community. The country
bankers found it necessary to contract their usual transactions.
The two last harvests were deficient, and these circumstances
together brought on the distress. Still he would not believe
that this distress was permanent. He looked upon it only as
temporary, and he had no doubt but that as much business
would ere long be transacted in the metallic as ever had
been done in a paper currency. A gradual fall had been
going on in all articles for several years past—and he would ask
what this was to be attributed to Since 1814 anew world had been
opened to our productions in South America, which accounted for
the imports from that country. There had also been great incr.ase of
capital throughout the world, which led to competition, which again
led to a fall in prices. He believed the fall of prices had reached its
limit, and that there was hope that it would take a turn another
way. He hoped that this revival would take place before long,
and restore the country to its former prosperity. Another cause of
the distress was the falling off of the precious metals—but he
I trusted, notwithstanding that the distress would be found to be par-
tial and evanescent, that prosperity and happiness would once more
revisit all classes of the community. He believed the Bill of 1819
was dictated by sound policy, and if they had not passed that Bill,
the capital of the country would have sought investments elsewhere,
instead of being kept in this counts y to diffuse its benefits by giving,
employment to thousands. The Honourable Member for Newark
recommended that we should have cheap bread by excluding foseign
corn, but in this he disagreed with him, for he thought the ports
must be thrown open still more to the importation of fore
grain. There was an inquiry going on asto whether t'
markets of China were to be thrown open to British capital. If
those markets should be thrown open, he had no doubt but a step
I would be taken to prevent the recurrence of such distress as the
country at present laboured under.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He trusted
and implored the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel) that he would,
I not allow the prejudices of the Directors of that Company, and the
iprejudices which he wu sorry to MC were entertained by that
Board of Inquiry, to influence hhn in doing that which, If it bad g
nat
the immediate effect of relieving the distress, would, at all events,
lay the foundation of future prosperity.—(Cheers.)
Sir G. PHILLIPS said that the country was plunged into the
deepest distress, and the great mass of the population was rapidly
advancing to a state of hopeless destitution. He disagreed with se-
veral of the remarks of the hon. member who had just sat down, and
with none more than that as to the extent of the distress. An
gutty had been going on in Lancashire as to the extent of the dis-
tress. To obtain an average of general wages was impossible, but
the average in particular plans he had been enabled to obtain. The
hand-loom weavers in Manchester were paid as follows :
(nth from 4s. to ss. per week.
Men from
He was told an improvement had taken place to the extent of 100.
or a shilling. In Manchester, however, the number of hand-loom
weaves was small. In Blackburn, the wages of haad-loom weavers
was bar. per week ; but In Ashton-under-Lino and Dutton they were
as much as 10s. per week. In Bolton they were from ss. to Gs.
In Donley they were 111 s. per week. These were the highest wages'
given, anti miserably low they were. The wages of the labourers
at the power-loom were also low :

Mr. Al. A. TAYLOR said, that some short time since he had
introduced a Bill to enable the Lord Chancellor to issue Commis.
sions de lunatic° inquirendo in a different manner from what had
been heretofore the practice. Since then the Noble and Learned
Lord had tamed his attention most seriously to the subject, and had
consulted some of the judges; and as their opinion was, that the
Lord Chancellor possessed power to issue Commissions of that nature
in the manner which the Bill proposed, he should do so without the
aid of any legislative enactments. Doubts had before been raised upon
the subject, and the object of this Bill was to put an end to those
doubt; but as the minds of the noble lord and of other eminent
judges were made up on the point—before uncertain—it would be
un to advance his bill beyond the present stage. It was due
to the nob e and learned lord to state, that he wished to do all in his
power to prevent expense—that he did not think the present tribunal
the fittest for such inquiries ; that he had already expressed his dimp.
probation of entertainments being given to the commissioners and the
jury each day. The Lord Chancellor stated his intention of exerci.
sing in future the power which it was now agreed that be possessed,
of issuing commissions to judges of the superior courts, with
Juries summoned in the ordinary way, to try questions of lunacy.
To give the House some idea of the enormous expense against which
the Bill was directed, ho had to state that the costs of the petition-
ing party alone in the Portsmouth case amounted to 23,0001.!
Mr. R. GORDON was very glad that the Hon. Gendeman bad •
withdrawn his Bill, because it only gave power to the Lord Chan. Segers' received
cellor which he already possessed. What they walked was a real
and efficient Bill to remedy the evils of which they bad so much Males (from 13 to 16) .. 7s. lld.
—.-- (from 16 to ill)
cause to complain.
The Order was then discharged. and what were technically called good uses, about 163. in Gloat.
Mr. ROBINSON withdrew his motion for tomorrow till Thurs. meter, spinners received
day tile Ist of April. Males
Mr. WHITMORE moved for returns of Hicks, Skins, /Lc. chew.' Females .
lag the rate of duty charged on each article red. In Oldham, at one mill they gave 30s. but this was above the
Mr. E. DAVENPORT presented a petition from the town of average, might be saw at 25„ The hanontabia member
Shaftesbury and the neighbourhood, complaining of the
distress. genets' -
then-"piticeedcd to lead to the house some observations on the dis.
Mr. PEEL said that he had a motion for that night, to bring in resitedomsomettiatvehtfhthet
a bill for the consolidation and amendment of the law relative to. timnasaTtcd-ethe
Pwigek
thaemPti: re food ZodtheanwdaPielothelt.e "He
000
Forgery. Out of deference to the debate that had been adjourned positions of Mr. Alderman Waklnnan on a
to that night, he begged to postpone it, and would endeavour to find 'former evening and maintained that the manufacturer becoming
his own exporter--,
was, so far from being a proof of distress, the an curly dcy for bringing it forward.
natural mesh of improvement, which led to the disappearance of the
Lord F. L. GOWER said, that cheeses against Sir Jonah Bar. middle me, and a ansusgent demos. ad,. risk attending, an&
'logien had been brought by the 18th report of the Commiesionees of eighteen 'months_ .., t. He finally stated that as the
a jaicial IngtileY itt tee/and. He was illaued " °dell thee the appstment ---of a—"com—mtuleywearoUld excise hopes- which parliament
bdret29tcouhraeAfpril°‘ factheilitahotiungseinqushouirld wa;go intos in°conovelithattee,tontoTtalikeurad"into 4 elkilddil .et teat iIL- - he well" Weal both the eeighal moose aid the
consideration those 'charges.
DUITRICSIEII Or TAR COUNTRY. , Mr. T. H. B. ESTCOURT supported Me oeiginal motion.
Mr. FERGUSON moved the resumption of the muonaned do., Sir HUSSEY VIVIAN did not deny that onusidorable dieteine I
bate on the motion that the house resolve into a Committee on the existed ; but was persuaded that many of the statements of it were
petitions of the people, complaining of dlstres4. greatly exaggesated. He onseetained as despair of the country ; bat
The only of the day haring been reed, , on the contrary, felt convinced, that however serious the difficalties
Mr. FERUCSON rose. He did not desire to maim an very might he with 'WI Et was a.", it would rise "Peri. to "II aIL '
*
maicomplaints against the boo. mover, for cLarging him and With "Wee W the low Picots some of The Causes of linos WWI% in
ethers with lukewarmness in the cause of the people's dimness; ids opinion, sufficiently obvious. During the war our inanufac.
but he must say, that *OM the line day of the maim, he bull tame and mealbweal had a elloaoliolY of the markets. Now, /aw-
aken nothing but the greatest desire en the part ed an, bog' ems, they were obliged to enter into a competition with the foreign
meenting chase moneeted with the Goeentemat, ao Hawn atanufactures and markets. Now, as one.fifth of our Indus.
0 the complaints of the people. Ins Majesty's Minissern,, try wees,"PleYei 111 she supply of foreign owohetat ewe ea-
* sincerely believed, were actuated by the strongest desire to, Poeteobjearnel between fifty and sixty millions, and as the prices j
Newt to the complaints, and to afford remedy 1 and idler their _
_We in the foreign markets must govern our priced at 1
"condom and he sethootiona propeted Is. moo& ft Ras date aa mean, be 'thought *me was little difficulty in amoonting for the
them thus co state what ise-believed. He thought that it was low Flee& Among the causes caligned by various persons for
right to state thus much in justice to them, and especially as the,
_._the .e..._xilthymegyiliistrese were over production, superabundant papule,-
vete he shoukl give this evening would be different hogs that which. Mlle 10.00. Abel ',Mae, iiiiildint Mad she state of 'dm emitener.
en doubt, lonia tit given by the ministers. lie &odd vote he Vt. to
.......Q.a.PladU._ Cti.l4 Ills only consequence, as its Paired to him, i
the innendinom ; to have a commiatee ef the Weis *me ertmitl' 442 bee Fluea`lbist_s_le" "la b° to throw a °ember al 'Peteene out (4'
involve thrum is imerbniwable inquiries, in the onehmieto of Audon • awfwayanala ) to nnimpsasso alpiiiabeindist popuksion to a err.
bushiest'. As to the distress, Ise lamented that it was so Wis. solo extent the henna might be said to be superabundant. But 1
itu tukik, sus* .4i very eitteneive ;but the (Waite ollhat Motets lIIVIO'cAIIt. bb .4E7. tieeltY to see the PaPaTatien MD*llllll4 by The 1

Females earned from
Moo from 12.. to lbs.

and some were paid as lcw as 10s. Od. 11s. And 12s. A man and
a boy, or a woman and girl, were paid from 15.. to 20s. h the
spinning factories,
Carden received (from 13 to 14 yean) from se. Od. to be. N.
(from 18 to 20)
_

weans recommended on a recent occasion by an hon. gentleman,
and he trusted that the house would never forget
That a bold peasantry. their eoun.rf's pride,
When once destroyed, could never be supplied."
n,achinery, in his opinion, so far from producing the distress, must
have greatly contributed to prevent its increase ; since it give em-
ployment to millions. who would be otherwise destitute of it. A
great portion of what was considered among the middle classes to
be distress arose, he was persuaded, out of the extraordinary
change that had taken place in the habits of the people, who
dulged in an extravagant expense, of which their forefathers
never dreamt ; and who being now compelled to curtail that es.
pease, felt the privation severely. The necessity under which they •
were of discharging a number of their servants, had also added
to the general difficulty. lie was far from thinkin.
low prices an evil. If it were not for the low prices of hemp, ot
tallow, and of all the necessaries of life, tens of thousands of rune
would be thrown out of employment, and thousands of tons ot ship.
ping would be laid up. As to free trade, he was convinced that I:
had nothing to do with the distress; and he was happy to mak- •
that avowal in the presence of the right hon member for Liverpool,
as when the principles of free trade were originally discussed, he had
expressed some apprehensions with respect to the remit of the!:
application to the commerce ot this country. in his opinion, thereat •
principle of free trade was this: that as long a.s any of the menu tact u -
rers of the country produced a commodity for which there was an eta i.e
demand in the home market-we might protect them by duties; but 11,J,
when they were obliged to go to a foreign market to sell their coin.
motliry, the price must be regulated by the price at which the f 0 -
reign manufacturers were able to bring the saute commodity into tine
market. le was asked how could we go on with such low prices,
and with such heavy taxes on agriculture ? He did not believe that
those taxes bore especially on agriculture. Ile believed that they
bore generally on the consumer; that they bore on the whole prs.
pert, of England. (Hear.) He would advert shortly to the rz.
medics which had been suggested for the existing state of things.
In the first place, there was what had been einesl equitable ad-
justment. It would be the extreme of injustice to make
any attempt at reducing the property of the fund-holder, and he
trusted that no such attempt would ever be made. Of :his, too,
he was persuaded, that if a sponge could be applied to the Na.
tional Debt to.morrow. the country would derive little or no benefit
from the operation. The visits of the tax-gatherer would be ex-
changed far those of the parish overseer; and the population of our
exchanges and markets would be transferred to our workhouses.--
The reduction of taxation was one of the remedies which had
been insisted on. It was undoubtedly the duty of Ministers
to :educe taxation as much as was consistent with the pub.
llc service; and they had done that duty. But he was
not one of those who fancied that any extraordinary relief
could be derived from such kaource; and fie was one of those whs
would be very sorry to see the principle of reduction carried to such
an extent ea would compel us to disband our army, dismantle our
navy, and close our arsenals and dockyards lie trust, d. to use the
eloquent words of a late Right Honourable tlentleman, "that tit;
Sovereign of this country would never he reduced to sit on a de.
graded Throne." A change in the currency was another of the
nostrums recommended; nostrums so numerous, that they reniind,ii
him of some doggrel lines, with which he was familiar when at
school

" One doctor phylic'd him and purged ;
A second bleeding strongly log', ;
A third a tonic mixture tried ;
Among them all—the patient died !"
He had frequently heard of people being music-road ; but he be.
lieved that some hon. gents. were curreney-mad. His view of the
currency question was this :—that if, as had been asserted, the sub.
!Laudon of gold for paper had produced a change of 23 per cent, in
the price of commodities, that proved that the former price was arti.
&tel. It was impossible to maintain a paper circulation while we
kept up a commercial intercourse with foreign countries. We
could not buy bread at home with paper, and cotton abroad with
gold. (Hear.) If we were to return to paper to-morrow, we should
speedily have two prices, a gold price and a paper price, as we
had formerly ; even although the house should again adopt a
resolution declaring that gold andlnotes were equivalent. lie was
delighted, therefore, to hear his .tlajesty'a ministers declare that
they had no intention of proposing any change in the currency.
Agriculture and manufactures must flourish together. Although
his particular interest did not lie in that way, yet certainly, if he
were called upon to give a preponderance to either, he would
throw his weight into die agricultural scale. But not conceiving
that to be necessary, and being persuaded that no measure could be
adopted the tendency of which would be materially beneficial to
any interest, he must oppose the motion.
Mr. LIDDELL said thatthe prayers of petitioners for remission
of taxes had been complied with to some extent, and he trusted that
the redaction which had already taken plats would be followed up
in the course of another session by still further reductions, so as to
give the fullest satisfaction to the public. He felt hound to support
the motion for inquiry, with a view to the relief of the country.
The hon. member for Bramber had stated that there was no less
than five or six millions, is the shape of deposits, in the banks of
the metropolis, which showed a large influx of the precious metals
into this country. lodeed, it was impossible to doubt this fact,
when the rate of exchange was referred to; but it was a fallacy to
Mier from thence that there was plenty of money, and no distress.
On the contrary, it appeared to prove that there was no profitable
employment for capital, or that money would be embarked, either
in agriculture or manufactures. With respect to the shipping in.
tercet, k was in a very depressed state, and the spring freights had
just opened one-ninth less than they were last year, being 401. in.
stead of 451. which was at the rate of 11001. for 300 tons. The right
hon. 'gentleman (Mr. Courtenay), when speaking on a former even-
ing, had short when be aura to speak of the currency, but
he (Mr. laden) wished that he had stated what was the amount of
the difficulty and pressure which government had attributed to the
alteration of the currency. He thought it worthy of inquiry whe-
ther the currency could not be replaced by a judicious extension of
the paper money; and he was glad that government was about to
give every facility to a system of banking calculated to restore the
PlibliC confidence....

Mr. COURTE NAY maintained the consistency of Government in
all their arguments relative to the distress, in opposition to what had
fallen from the Hon. Member of Newark. He thought the effect
of the measures of 1819 were greatly exaggerated, for effects wise
attributed to them which ought to have been referred to othet causes,
such as bad seasons and bad harvests. The Hon. Member for
Newark thought that had the issue of small notes been con.
tinned the present distress might be avoided. Did HOD. (fen. •
dernen mean to say that the present circulation was not equal to
the wants of the country ? (Hear, bear.) lie would be glad
to see a more secure system established ; but the more secure
the system of banking was made, the more effectually would an
issue of small notes under such a system drive the gold out of
the country. (Hear.) The Honourable Member for New.
ark denounced the system of free trade ; but unless he was more
specific, and brought forward measures founded on his theory, he
shil denounce him to the country as a betrayer of his trust, or as
a wordyman without meaning. (Great laughter.) There was nothing
done for the putpae of giving freedom to trade that had not com-
pletely succeeded. (Hear, hear.) lie had two years ago expressed
the state of his mind on this subject in terms he supposed he should
never hear the last of. (A laugh.) He would now say, that after
the most careful examination of the subject, he was completely
convinced of the beneficial effects of the system introduced by the
right honourable member for Liverpool. (Hear, hest, hear.)
Ile was convinced it was our interest to purchase our corn.
modities where we could have Mem cheapest ; and whether we paid
for them in money or in geode the effect would be the same, as we
mild only purchase the money with our goods. If the hon.
member for Newark would undertake to prove to the committee
that our free trade enabled us to obtain the goods of foreigners by
any other means than by giving our own in return, he would vote
for the committee ; but it was clear that the teal object of the com-
mittee was to introduce a re-issue oilman notes; he should therefore
oppose the modes.
Sir RICHARD VYVYAN said, there were dangers greater
than even those of war Mat might aflbet a country ; and such he cp.
migh be t our state. (Hear.) He Could not but express
Lebill=tiea She the Chancellor of the Exchequer had admitted
thattheilletethe of the country was general, and had proposed the
rednedsketomatien was amount of three millions. He and the:w
ealth whoa Matted were called ultras, but without muse. The
present ersesehm was, what was the general state of the counary ?
Did distress refit ? That was now admitted. This distress washy
many attributed to surplus population. He denied that there was
any real surplus population. (Hear, bear.) Certainly, with the
present state of the poor laws, and large farms and taxation, there
might be want of employment: and with a continuance of the
same system, the time might tom when half the present por ula-
lion would be deemed a surplus ;population. The right hon. gent.
led said that he was not now whit he was two years ago, when
*lithe subject of free trade his mind was a sheet of bleat paper.
Hehad no confidence In the presem minigets, sadist If the W nig,
came into power and carried on the government according to the
principles he approved of, they should have his support ta rest
laugh.) The bon. member for London had said he did bet km*
the cause of the present distress, but that the landlords must
lower tbetr rents. (bear, hear, hear.) This ignorance of the
cause of the present distress wat the strongest waste for peeing
Into a commtnete to inquire lam the real cause. &legal& lbe-
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-ever, ready refer a .elect tototnittee to a eolowitiee of the
vita house. h hod been staid that the prevent -distress woes
coma bi *ltesinsate artesersaey, tad so unjust war.' He believed •
the atonal c tire ootratry to be mainly ottethotable lar•tbs wsei but A
thoitibt the wet was retesseorp to preserve the lestitstione of the
carittrai—.(Heat, hear, ltese.)-11v tbovtobt tbe do lor, was bow
Mess tattle Mate st Ititaaose Waled lb do Tam" &vols.
lion. Was ttoollient if a *at were la take place,