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sequente, if;nvlr a Prince shs;iiid have "kinite.rs
baselettough Ito his iksigos ? Hon.
and Learned Geotiettlito• rontvourtt to argue tlent

there had ht.en no necessity-for. the ineasur.tll.ll:(!
*were adopted. It had-beet :said by an }lop: t.
Tuner, that the writ of Habeas Corpus .might
well ate expunged t 4 together, becatiseit was.:otly
in tittles. when people were disturbed and dissatis.-
flea that it could be. of. auy advantage
.to:tltir
community.. When •gx.(rertmients were complain.ed_
of, and disaffection, as they
because the porde, were-disaffected towards their
proceedings, t,hert.was the time that. the ptro,ple..at
large derived proteetion.from (his important law,
and not in,tintes,(4-generat,tranytilittY• Yet,; as
SOQII as those titers •HI rive, and it .was ne-
cessary to. give pr,oli to all other nations .of
the superior libery we' enjoyed, it might be
taken as a precedent, 'hat in the reign of.Genrge
111. or rather of the Itcgent, the 11ritish
Ministers furnished', their succe-.4.sors.e...ith means
for violating the Constitution:. Tbinking,,.there-
fore; as he did,. that the -House owed to- their
:conskittlents the ti 46- of taking - aw.ar. the evil of
, this proceeding .as.innelt .a, ,they, contd.,, lie should
vote for an impliry, of a different hind ~t han„that
partial.apd,delusive one which was now proposed,
the only object of which was to pass a bill of ilt-
.oeninity for Ilinistrts. .

Poly4Ps _thought no,measnre could bare I
- the cfret of prtidocing. diste.spect so much
partial.fribonal 9f this k ,This. was not merely
the case of •Nritiisters, hilt that, the country at
larde it YY as the case of those 4istricit: where
traitorous purposes had been. carried ritt as well
as the ea.e of thole persons who had beets,
ed'iltving, the S..spension. 1-le was of opinion,
that notch mare effectual measures might have
been t.ilt,n than by sending spies end infOrmera
about to delude an ignm:,,tnt and unfortimate peo-
ple. if these persons had been withdrawn
instead of etsc,nnaged, a teal ad+antage would
hare been Arrived There was said to he a 'con-
nexion. amongst tlie insurgents in Otffaent parts
,of Ab e , cottokry but we seen no such
ctinnexion.proved, except the connexion amongst
the spies., , The Gentleman,
ittg to„ the incendiaty pi ojects in Lancashire, oh-
served, that he believed he had traced that plot
to its origin, and that it was owing to the spies
a itd,intormers only ; and he had no donbu what-
ever, th4t this tact, as far as it regarded
White, could beprored.- It was almost similar to
what t• ok place in 1812, when spies and intor-
rutrs were paid by the Magistrwes, and the -moit
dreadfhl contusion in ronsetinence ensued. All
this was tally proved in a publication by Dr.
Taytor,- late of Bolton, .and now of lAivertiool.
XVlten.4pies" were thus -eneounitged, much allow-
anceonglit «vbe made by Niih.sters as to the sources
front which 0167 drew their information. Indivi-
duals were :pointed tint as engaged in a horrible
Censpiracy to burn Alain:hest er, yet those who were
stigni at isetlns tit e leaders in such plots had been taken
tip, kept its confinement, and ist7l,4St liberated with-
out (vial, 'althongh.we• were still told that such
a conspiracy did-exist.. -But was it not likely that
such •nien should :be-sent •bark with mnels mme
power to 'do mischief timts they had before, by

being represented as twallyrs in the cause.of
berty ? Inssend of being- surpriSed that the minds
pit poor people shoold be in •stme of agitation:
front the conduct of these spies, it was only sur-
i)risiog that much snore mischief did not-ensue ;
and when the filets came before the House, no
-doubt Gentlemen would be as mach surprised at
it-ai he wa's himself. They had only been taught,
wheni)lll•stareing,• to look tip for relief to Par-
liamentary Reform ; and thooah it 'was known
that ihere- were' between 800 rind 900,000 men in
this'alartning state in Lancashire and its'neigh-
bOorhood, so tar from any serious project being .
disetyeered, no!hing of any consequence was found
Mo. Now,' Supposing, Instead of sending spies
and informers to delude and deceive these poor
iiple, 'they had sent' persons to-reason with and
-console them, how-different might have been the
result?'•Bot as no mischeif did arise, it„was a strong
presumption that Government was-in the wrong.
Mr. Wt tap E thrintwit Would have been better
if all discussion had been ptistpuned till the goes-
tion had 'patsed 'of referring the papers to the
Committee 5-hot as 'so ttttich .had been said,.he
owed it' to-the 'House and himself to declare, that.
his opinion of the proptiety of the Suspensirin of
the Habeas COrpits— Act last year remained mi.
charigedi that its necessity bed been proved by''
the eireunistances' that had, transpired at the
rent trials, and: that- it
.wits his firm conviction
that the country had be,en r,escued. by it from the
greatest dangers. I,t bad,been said that.Govern-
latnt naight have prevented what, happened '.hy
taking ordinary , precautions,
.apprehending,
under the opli,nary powers, the suspected leaders
of the conspiracies,-(My. Tierney -here explain-
ed his precise words, which he conceived had-
been misapprelleoded by the 'Hotr. Gentleman.)
Was it, however,.to be concluded, that because
these men. were not. brought to trial, that tin con-
spiracy had been, going, on? ,It ‘vaspositively
sworn at Derby that those persons were fed with
the constant hope that assistance ss:.mild arrive to
them trotit-diifereot parts of, the kingdom. Fre
believed this was not lat mil, and be
tout 1
also belieyed they wonld proceeded to
more open action, if they had not .been restrained
,by .the measures which had taken place, and
for which he had given his vote, though he I)as
not. a , Member. of the Cominitt re., • Indeed, in
Yorkshire it was. known there was an armed
body ,prepared, drawn out., and firing on the
King's troops. Yet, although it may not have.been
brought bottle to iOdividends,. the fact itself was
quite elear. But tiros it was said, why were the
trials so cOodo.eted aa not to show the;full extent •
of the conspiracy, ,by. the examination of the in
formers ? . He would.answer, that this was not
.the.aluty of the Crowe' Officers; their duty was
to bring; home treason, at:cording to the
proofs they had of its existence. Indeed he
,saw, ample reason why those persons should
not have been brought forward. Suppose Bran-
dreth, Turner, and Ludlam, had been taken up
after that 'Meeting, when they al ranged their ope-
rations. If theinformers had been brought for-
ward, it would have been sail, !,‘ You are' spies ;
you Were present at that =0,44; ; 'you are not
p'roiler.e.videnee 1." He felt Convinced that if those
men lad been pievented iron breaking out; they