The Sun.
London, England, 1845-08-05 00:00:00

RAIL WAY COMMITTEES.

(YESTERDAY.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP X.

SHEPPIELI) AND LINCOLNSHIRE LINE.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)

IRELAND.

MR. O'CONNELL.

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Sergeant WRANGIIAM, in reply, contended that the 13aWtry
branch of the London and York line was a far preferable rail-
way for the w.-nts of the district, inasmuch as its unity of ma-
nagement and direct course gave it the advantage over the
Sheffield and Lincolnshire line in respect of direct and lateral
Communication.
The Learned Counsel was here interrupted by an intimation
that the Speaker was at prayers, and the Committee having
adjourned at four till twelve to-morrow, he will resume his ad-
dress at that hour.

LETTER FROM MURRAY TO

DUBLIN, AUGUSTi--Ifh-e Dublin Evening Post ni
this afternoon contains the following letter from the Most
Rev. 1)-• Murray, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Dub.

" TO DANIEL O'CONNELL, ESQ., N.P.
" Mourojoy-sqtare, August 1, 1845.
"My dear Mr. O'Connell,—l avail myself of the first
Possible mom •nt after my return to Dublin to correct a
mistake into which you have been unconsciously led by
the report (apparenily a very inaccurate one) of a speech
Attributed to Sir James Graham.
" The hi cesium's Journal, of the 22d ult., states, that
et a public meeting on the preceding day, you spoke as
follows :
4" I find in the Times of Friday last the following dia-
logue between Lord Arundel and Sir James Graham: the
Bari of Arundel and Surrey ti,ked whether it was the in-
tention of herMajesty'sGovernment to propose any amend-
ment in the Charitable Bequests Bill? Sir James Graham
replied that the Lord Lieutenant had received represen-
tations from the Roman Catholic Commissioners of the
Board of Bt quests, stating that the duty had devolved
Upon them of determining who the ecclesiastics were,
who, in certain districts, were entitled to the benefit of
the bequests left to the clergy of the Church of Rome,
and stating also that it was at variance with the canons
of their church, which required that all matters of doc-
trine and discipline of this nature should be settled by
their dioCesans alone.'
You are then said to have continued thus :
/ "h I feel my heart at ease and my mind tranquil.
hll-„,",,s,aceused and assailed and abused for offering my
so-;;"? opinion that that Bill was uncanonical an
TC's'ent with the canons of the Catholic Church.
loetY I ughed at me for giving that opinion, poor theo-
etal es I am ; but humble as my opinion is, here it is
)4 "tined by those venerable characters themselves, the
Most Reverend and always esteemed Dr. Murray, the
e°Bt Reverend Dr. Crolly, and the Right Reverend Dr.
ea n'ir• I have their authority that the Bill gave un-
,,annical power to the Catholic prelates.'
Believe me, my dear sir, that it gives me inexpres-
sible pain to be obliged to contradict, before the public,
an 3. assertion that you would think it right to make,
and that it would be delightful to me, and to the other
Prelates in question, to be the medium of communi-
eating, were it in our power, that ease and tranquillity
et which you speak, to a heart so fervently glowing as
yours is with the love of religion. But as, on this
occasion, you have been pleased to put my name
Prominently forward, the painful duty devolves on me
of declaring that you have allewed yourself, in this
instance, to be led, unintentionally of course, into an
error, the publication of which is but too well calculated
tO cast a grievous censure upon characters which you
',Quid be most unwilling to defame. Permit me, then,
most respectfully to assure you, that you have not
...die authority of the prelates in question to sus-
your assertion. They have never said, or Muted,
thought, that the Bequests Act gave to them an
alleafionical power. The speech, therefore, on which
you relied must have been most inaccurately re-
Ported; and the Minister must have alluded to objec-
tiells which have been urged by the opponents of the
Act--objections
which, in the opinion of those prelates,
had oo sclid foundation to rest on, but which they thought
•
tight to bring under the notice of Government, in the
ePe that every pretext, how groundless soever, for the
repetitiont of them, would be met by a suitable
i;lnedy, and taken away. It would be strange, indeed,
those prelates would denounce as uncanonical a power
Which
was granted to them for the sole and express
I)arPose of enabling them to preserve inviolate the
eipline and usages of our Church in the very case
of which the objections allude. In the progress
this Act through Parliament, when there was
Zaestion of ascertaining who, in a case of doubt,
511.,1d be the persons entitled, according to the discipline
‘4
rs_lisages of the Catholic Church, to the benefit of
sZeguest left to a particular parish, an implied pledge
v4:11; it is understood, given at the request of some
‘;`44,olie Member of the House, that Catholic bishops,
144e,„e authorised expounders of that discipline, should
smoked on the Board for the purpose of declaring in
tsat manner this portion of the Act should be carried
h.,7, effect, so as to be in perfect conformity with the dis-
%ire and usap•es of our Church. This has been done,
IL' the ohjrct for which it was proposed has been
4,„,44ined. The very first act of those prelates, on
es,.-"te 'log the Board, was to place on record a decla-
i-,r311 of what, in such cases, the discipline of our
the
is, that it may serve as a guide to regulate
Lee decisions of all future Catholic Commissioners—
Daniel
y that in every such ease the testimony of a
bishop is to be received as conclusive evidence as to who
1S the rightful pastor of any parish in his diocese. Not
only did this declaration, so laid down as a rule for
the guidance of the Catholic Commissioners, receive,
at once, the sanction of the entire board, but a si-
milar rule was adopted by those members of the board
who belong to other religious persuasions for their gui-
dance also, with regard to the pastors of their respective
tommunionA ; so that the Protestant Bishop is thereby
eognised to be the judge of who is the authorised rector
4 a parish ; the Presbyterian authorities who
the authorised minister of a congregation ; and
-4e Catholic bishop who is his authorised parish priest.
411 y this rule the inviolability of our discipline, as far
48 regards the present question, is fully recognised. To
thei Strict observance of this rule, all the members of
k
Board are solemnly pledged, not only by their own
-ecorded declarations, but also by the duty which they
421 eto their respective religions—a rule rendered thereby
binding upon men who have a character to sustain, as
It could be rendered by any sanction of law.
vr:4 Still, there are some, surprising as it must appear,
huose over-sensitive scruples even this ample security
not been sufficient to satisfy. Those scruples,
Ir°llfidless as tl.ey are, we have felt it our duty to re-
-
,17t ; and we have never, therefore, concealed our
*lsh that such a legislative explanation should be given
$4 Would wholly remove them.
But why has not this been done during the present
Session
? The reason is obvious. It would be clearly
inexpedient
to introduce into Parliament without urgent
3
for angry
(and no such necessity exists), a new subject
angry debate about Catholic doctrines and discipline,
ile the deafening outcry against Maynooth and its doe-
tines was still ringing in the public ear, and spreadin
the most inflammatory excitement throughout the land.
"With respect to the hope expressed in the subse-
Ilnent part of your speech, ' that the Catholic pre-
ttes will see what course they should now take, and that
toes will not permit themselves to be committed any
tiger to the exercise of an uncanonical power.' I have
0,1‘,1Y to repeat that they have not committed them-
„es to the exercise of any such power ; and I beg
f„'
llher to assure you that it is their fixed determine-
tila3ll to persevere, with the blessing of God, so long as
se multiplied duties of their station will permit, in that
t
atritable course, en which, at a great sacrifice of time
Personal convenience, they have, as members of the
Chathritable Bequests Board, deliberately entered, with
9 sole view of serving the poor, and of protecting, if
eeessary, the interests of our church.
thave the honour to remain, with respectful esteem,
mY dear Mr. O'Connell, very sincerely yours,
" D. MURRAY."

, RESIGNATION OF MR. LUCAS.
Lucas, the Under Secretary, gave a farewell din
1la': Yesterday to the officers connected with his depart-
bZat Lucas remains for three weeks, after which
r,-rennefather succeeds him as Under Secretary, and
See.‘;itne is to take the place of Chief Clerk in the
etary's office.
.1
tailitt• O'CoNNELL—On Thursday evening Mr. O'Con-
arrived at Darrynane Abbey, where he remains for
rtit Weeks. lie has been joined by his eldest son, Mr.
RESIGNATION
O'Connell, M.P.
Apv-E,SI°NATION OF A MAGISTRATE. BALLINHASSIG
It f f„;41(.--The Cork Reporter says—" We were aware
' ‘fli ht that Mr. Molony had sent in his re-
81g4tt' g ago'
lea, len of the Commission of the Peace. We now.
I•er,-", with regret, that, in compliance with his
the cent, the supQrsedeas has come
.down. We understand
ho eause of Mr. Molony's resignation was this :—Feeling
se:rhied
at the disastrous affair in his own vicinity, and
ng that th police can under their regulations, act
- the people without the
.orders of a magistrate,
• In public opinion the magistrate may be unjustly
to Leleated in their acts, he determined not, in any form,
to risk a' eolleurring party to such regulations, or in future
being involved innocently in such wholesale
lighter. therefore threw up the commission.'
th he Lord Lieutenant has been pleased to approve of
s e Marquis of Downshire being appointed Colonel of the
IViluth Down Regiment of Militia, in the room of the
yquis of Downshire, deceased.
Lorite Lord Lieutenant has been pleased to approve of
th "Edwin Hill being appointed Lieutenant-Colonel of
Me South Down Regiment of Militia, in the room of the
la,rcluis Downshire, promoted.
neej
theu hrea
aced,
se:am:he
TyE AUGUST 2.—(Faost A CORRFSPONDFNT. )
:E. It AND CROPS. —For the last four or five days
very heavy showers; this flay is beautifully tine
appe,
ar?
that is,
settled—the crop! are not in the least
up), willete)
lode _ A few gardens of wheat in the vicini-y of towns may
is, where the crops are very heavy, the general
is very fine, in fact we never bad such crops, though
It e a fortnight or three weeks late.
otherv7ai
sasinost fortunate for the millers and corn-factors, that
there broken weather both in England arid Ireland, as
corn ; theY would barely make what they paid for their
of the In fact anything to equal the heavy stock at this season
itt yearwein millers' and factors' hands was never known.
158. bad an early harvest, wheat would be selling here at
Tar boll.s of the 20 stone, owing to the above.
this rn_rtn a great place for corn-merchants. There is at
„,r. 9 ent held in this town at the very lowest calculation,
ty-five thousand quarterns wheat.'
R.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
QUEEN-SQUARE.
Mary Ann Smith and William Edwards were charged
with robbing Mr. B. Poussin, a gentleman residing at 23,
Grosvenor-place South, of his gold watch, value 20 guineas.
At about eleven o'clock on the previous night he saw the
female prisoner standing in Lower Grosvenor-place, and having
looked at her as he passed, she made some observation in a
very polite tone about the weather, and considering by her ap-
pearance that she was not a girl of the town, he entered into
conversation with her, in the course of which she repeatedly
expressed her fears that it must be getting very late—certainly
past eleven, when he took out his watch to acquaint her with
the precise time. She then put her arm in his "in a very re-
spectful manner," and requested him to accompany her a short
way towards her home, and as he considered her " a very
smart little thing," he walked a few paces with her, when, on
arriving at Ranelagh-mews, she was about to turn down there.
The prosecutor informed her that there was no thoroughfare,
when the lady began to caress him, and entreated him to
accompany her down the mews, which he reluctantly
did, and she then pulled him into a dark passage,
where he had not been half-a-minute, when she gave
a cough of such a particular character, that he at once
felt assured it was a signal, and rushed out of the passage.
At that moment he felt his progress stopped by what he
supposed at that time to be the female holding him by
the coat, and in the next the male prisoner was by Lis side,
and seizing him by the arms, inquired what he was ill-using
the female for. Prosecutor called " Police !" and a constable
coming up at the moment, he discovered that his gold watch
had been broken from the ring with great violence, and gave
the prisoner into custody. Search was subsequently made for
the watch, but it was nowhere to be found.
James Brun, 91 B, said that hearing a signal cough, and
seeing the male prisoner hastening down the mews, he fol-
lowed slowly behind him, and saw him turn towards the dark
passage spoken of. In a minute afterwards there was a cry of
" Police, and he went to the spot, and took the prisoners.
He had no opportunity of looking for the watch then, as he
could not let go those he had in custody, and had no lamp with
him. The address given by the male prisoner at the station
he had found, on inquiries that morning, to be false.
It having been stated by a constable that the male prisoner
had been previously convicted at the Old Bailey,
Mr. BURRELL inquired what the accused had to say?
The female declared that she never saw the watch, and did
not even know that the gentleman had one, and pi etended to
be unacquainted with the man, who coolly observed, " that he
should reserve his defence for another occasion."
They were remanded until Saturday.
CLERKEIV WELL.
James Towgood was charged with knowingly aiding and
abetting in the working of a private still.
Hardy, 128 G, deposed that yesterday morning, about one
o'clock. he was on duty near Northampton-pow, Clerkenwell,
when there was an alarm of thieves at No. 12 in that row.
Witness proceeded thither, and found some persons assembled
around the house, and knocking at the door. Witness went
to the back part of the premises for the purpose of clambering
over the wall, in order to get into the house, when he saw the
prisoner running on a wall', and he made an alarm of " Stop
thief," and he was shortly afterwards apprehended by an excise
officer named Harris. On entering the house with the excise
officers, they found in the kitchen a private still in full work,
with a furnace, and 100 gallons of wash or molasses, all of
which were taken possession of. The prisoner said he was em-
ployed to take care of the house and still, and hearing knock-
ing at the door, he fancied that the excise officers were after
the parties, and knowing he was subject to three months' im-
prisonment, he tried to make his escape.
Thomas Harris, of 9, Northampton-row, an excise officer,
deposed that yesterday morning, at the above hour, witness
was at his residence, when he had occasion to go to the back
part of the premises, on which he saw the prisoner running
along a wall separating Spafields Burial-ground from the houses
in Northampton-row. Witness asked him where he was
going. He said I have only been taking care of a private still,
and I am making my escape from the excise officers; and he
begged of witness to grant him protection. Witness replied,
I am very sorry for you, but I cannot grant. your request, as I
am a custom-house officer myself, and it is my duty to detain
you. He did so, and he was ultimately given into custody of
Hardy, the officer, who with witness and another excise officer,
proceeded to the house and found the still and wash, Sm.
George Whitmore, an exciseman, deposed that he was called
upon by the last witness to go to the house in Northampton-
row. He corroborated in part the above evidence.
Mr. GREENWOOD said it was rather unfortunate for the
prisoner to have claimed the protection of Mr. Harris, the
excise officer. It was completely running into the lion's
mouth. He asked the prisoner what he had to say in his defence?
The prisoner said he had been out of work some time. He
met a man on Saturday Right who asked him if he wanted a
job, and replying in the affirmative he said he would give him
one, to take care of a private still at the house in Northampton-
row, alluded to. The man gave him some bread, butter, and
beer, and promised to pay him for his trouble. On hearing
the alarm he tried to make his escape, thinking the excise
officers had come.
Mr. GREENWOOD—Did you know the man, or his name ?
Prisoner—l did not know him. He said his name was Pitts.
Mr. GREENWOOD—You don't expect me to believe all
this. it is the sort of defence that thieves generally set up, that
they meet strange persons in the street, who employ them to
carry property. He convicted him in the penalty of 301., or
three months' imprisonment with hard labour, in the House of
Correction.
Mary Dowling, a young woman, was charged by Mark
Griffiths, a labouring young man, with having stabbed him,
with intent to murder.
The prisoner positively denied the charge against her.
Mr. GREENWOOD said he would remand the prisoner, and
she was conveyed to prison.
WORSHIP-STREET.
Two men named James Thompson and Wm. Cunnington
were placed at the bar before Mr. Broughton, charged on sus-
picion of having stolen two valuable sporting dogs, the property
of Mr. Burnell, a licensed victualler, at King's-cross.
It appeared from the statement of the prosecutor that on the
night of Wednesday last his back premises were forcibly
entered, and two sporting dogs, a setter and pointer of the
value of twenty guineas, were stolen from their kennels.
He immediately gave information to the police and caused
handbills to be widely circulated, offering a reward of 51.
for their restoration and detention of the thieves, but heard
nothing more respecting them until the preceding after-
noon, when the prisoner called upon him and stared that he
had seen the dogs in the possession of two men in Nelson-
street, Bethnal-green, and would point him out the house
to which they had been taken, but enjoined him to be very
quiet and cautious, or the animals would be carried off
without a chance of their recovery. He accordingly re-
paired to Nelson-street with the prisoner, whom he left at the
end of the street, and proceeded to the house in which he said
the animals were secreted, and was there answered by an old
woman, who, on being questioned, declared that they had been
carried away at three o'clock that afternoon, but that he would
find Mr. Cunnington, the landlord, at an adjoining public-
house, where he would obtain further information. After an
ineffectual search for Cunnington at every public-house in the
neighbourhood, he returned again to the house, and was an-
swered by another woman, who denied all knowledge of the
dogs, but her daughter, who was standing by during the con-
versation, gave him a private signal to follow her, and imme-
diately led him into a room down stairs, in which there was
a trap door, communicating with the cellar. On raising the
flap he saw the two dogs coupled together in the cellar,
and having descended a ladder and unfastened them, he
was making his way through a small door into the back yard,
when the woman he had last seen began screaming out
" Murder," at the same time dropping the trap, and fasten-
ing the door of the yard to prevent his egress. After
several ineffectual attempts to get out, he was at length
obliged to scale a wall into another yard, and make his way
into the street, with the dogs, through an adjoining house.
He then returned to the spot where he had left the prisons
Thompson, with whom he made an arrangement to call at his
house and receive the 51. reward, but in consequence of a sub-
sequent communication from the police, on his arrival at the
time appointed, he gave him into custody.
Sergeant Price stated that on the preceding night the pri-
soner Cunnington called at the station-house, and after ex-
pressing himself anxious to communicate all be knew about the
transaction, said that a quantity of household furniture belong-
ing to a person named Harrison had been left at his house with
a request that he would take care of it, and that shortly after-
wards the two dogs were brought by a man who stated that
they were also Harrison's property. Witness felt it his duty
to detain Cunnington in custody, and the prisuner Thompson
was shortly after brought to the station, when the other pri-
soner immediately charged him with being the man who had
brought the dogs to his house under the above circumstances.
Police-constable Burcham, H 58, Aged he had ascertained
the man Harrison, alluded to by the prisoner, was a notorious
dog-stealer, and that he had surreptitiously removed his furni-
ture to the house in Nelson-street to defraud his landlord. The
prisoner Cunnington was not known to the police, but the other
prisoner had only recently undergone twelve months' imprison-
ment on a conviction for felony.
In their defence, both prisoners denied all knowledge of the
robbery ; and Thompson said that he had been employed to
convey the dogs to the house by two men, who gave him some
halfpence for his trouble.
Mr. BROUGH.Tex said that be considered the evidence against
the prisoner Thompson was altogether incompatible with his
innocence ; he would, therefore, remand him for further exami-
nation at a future day ; but as he had some doubt as to whether
the other prisoner had received possession of the dogs with a
guilty knowledge, he would accept bail for the latter's
ap-
pearance.