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London, England, 1829-09-16 00:00:00

IRELAND.-TIPPERARY MEETING.

(From the Dublin Evening Post.)
The main of a public meeting is not always
to be found in the Resolutions passed, or in the
Petition or Memorial to which the parties may
ultimately agree. These are sometimes, most
frequently indeed, the result of compromise. But
with respect to the late meeting of the Tipperary
Magistrates at Thurles, we should be disposed
to infer from the number present, and the great
majority by which the Resolutions were carried,
that the opinions put forth in the Resolutions,
and the remedies indicated, had received the
support of the gentry of the county. We have
been informed, however, that this is not the
case—that a very strong difference of opinion
exists—not only as to the facts assumed in the
Resolutions, but in the course of proceeding re-
commended by the assembled Magistrates. We
should hope that this is the case. At the same
time we cannot understand, we confess, why Ma-
gistrates who held an opinion contrary to that
expressed and acted upon at Thurles, ab-
sented themselves from the meeting. We
are not exactly aware of the number of Ma-
gistrates in that county. But we should suppose
that not more than one-third were present on
Monday last—a body quite numerous enough,
we admit, to represent the opinion of the Ma-
gistrates of Tipperary. And, in point of fact,
we must regard the Resolutions of the Thurles
meeting as the Resolutions of the whole body of
the Nobility and Gentry of the county, until
the contrary be shown. We have indicated the
mode in which, should there be, as is asserted,
a real difference of opinion, such difference may
be constitutionally expressed, namely, by calling
a county meeting—an open one—to which the
public and the reporters may have free access.
We have received three or four letters on this
subject from Magistrates. These letters, how-
ever, we shall not insert, because we are not at
liberty to use names. But upon such Magi-
strates as dissent from the Resolutions, on such
Gentlemen, not in the Commission, who regard
the statements in these Resolutions as at variance
with the real condition of the country, we call to
affix their signatures to a Requisition to the High
Sheriff for a county meeting. If, as we are
told, the county Tipperary contains so many dis-
sentients to the Resolutions, and of high re-
spectability too, we have too good an opinion of
the High Sheriff to suppose that this officer
would refuse his assent. But if he declined, it
would be in the option of any of the dissentient
Magistrates to procure such a Meeting, or of
any respectable portion of the people of Tip-
perary. They have only to address a requisition
to some Justice of the Peace favourable to their
views, and we pointed out a man of high station
and considerable property in the county (Mr.
Otway Cave), who, no doubt, would preside at
such a meeting with pleasure ; for, independently
of his public sentiments, Mr. Otway Cave would
feel, we think, a just personal pride in presiding
at a meeting of a county, which, we understand,
it is very likely he will have the honour to repre-
sent in the next Parliament.
There never can be—and we render thanks-
giving to Heaven for it—a Catholic Meeting, as
such, politically speaking, again in Ireland. The
county of Tipperary, and every county and town
in Ireland will hereafter meet as freeholders,
without any religious distinction. The law
knows of none—and though the traces of cen-
turies of exclusion cannot be worn out for some
time, yet every day, despite of all the angry, but
feeble machinations of faction, will reduce the
mass of Irish society to a unity of character
and disposition. This tendency was very re-
markably evinced at the meeting in question.
There were present not one, as we had erro-
neously supposed, but several Catholic Magi-
strates at Thurles—the majority of whom, it
would seem, coincided in the resolutions sanc-
tioned by the meeting. We assert, without the
fear of contradiction, that these Magistrates
would not have done so, had the Catholic Ques-
tion still remained to be disposed of, and were
the Catholic Association still hi existence. Do
we, however, arraign their
say they acted under unworthy
l"tives ? Do we
influences ? We
neither assert, nor do we insinuate, nor should

there can be no safety for their wives or families
and none for their property and themselves, if
Government do not disfranchise the whole
county,, -ley taking—it ,frOip
.11 ntiPr thd-F0te,419,0
of the Constitution, and delivering up
man and woman in it, who shall rise before the
sun, and who shall not retire to rest before be
goes down, to the tender mercies of the afore-
said Magistrates, who are trembling in their
shoes, and who, regarding the people as ene-
mies, are anxious of depriving them of arms.
These seventy or eighty gentlemen desire the
power of being enabled to visit, any time of the
day or of the night, any cottage or homestead
they choose—to take up the inmates, women as
well as men, if there be arms found In the pre-
mises (as was the case in 1812 in this tottnty,
when a woman was seized and incatt.o
rated, which circumstance, it is well known,
led to the murder of Mr. Baker)—to
confine them in a prisoM or Bridewell—to
have them tried at the Quarter Sessions, and
transported without the intervention of a Jury.
This is the power which the Magistrates of Tip-
perary desire—this is the power claimed for them
by the Lord Llandaff, by the Lord Ormontl9,
and by Mr. Prettie, one of the Representative,'
of the county—this is the power which they
seek, Catholic as well as Protestant, in thew
capacity of landlords. For it is not, as the
Mail, and as some foolish Tipperary Gentleman
would have it, a question between Catholic and
Protestant, but between Landlord and Tenant,

hat is at the general issue in Tipperary. Had

not the disastrous circumstance at Borris-o'kane
occurred—a thing quite distinct in itself, as we
shall always maintain, and quite unnecessary, as
we have repeatedly demonstrated, the questio
vexata would still exist between the occupiers of
land and the owners, and would lead ultimately,
as it has hitherto done, to the unhappy collisions
which make up the almost entire history or
Tipperary for the last seventy years. It is true
that the proceedings at Borris-olane furnished
the gentlemen of Tipperary with the pretence
for calling upon Government to re-enact the
Insurrection Bill, and we see with what pleased
alacrity they availed themselves of the occasion.
Seventy-five of them assembled at a week's no-
tice, and seventy of the number voted smack-
smooth for the Resolutions.

Had not the affair of Borris-o'kane occurred,

the Magistrates would be completely without a
pretext for their appeal to the Government for
the Insurrection Act.

LARGE DUTCH STEAM BOAT.

HAGUE, SEPT. 10.—The curiosity of the inhabi-
tants of this and the other towns in the vicinity of
the river Maas, has been excited by the departure
from that river, on Monday last, of the Ilfonstee
steam-boat, which will, no doubt soon make her ap-
pearance in some of your English harbours. This
vessel was launched four years ago, and from her
immense length, about 250 feet, she hung when
going off the slips, and was some days before she
was fairly launched, which gave occasion to our
witty neighbours, the French, to say, that the Dutch
had surpassed all other nations in the size of their
steam boats, having built one so long that it was
several days running off the stocks. Three or four
days in launching have been followed by four years
in fitting I. About 100,0001. has been spent upon
her, and before attempting the object she was built
for, the opening of a speedy communication with
Batavia, she is to make a trial of her powers on the
coast of England, and will certainly surprize your
naval architects, by the exhibition of a vessel with
four masts, and a breadth of beam only one-eighth
of her length, which latter configuration is no doubt
calculated to disturb your English notions of Dutch
proportions.

HAGUE, SEPT. 10.—A general census of the po-
pulation of the kingdom having been ordered by a re-
solution of 29th Sept., 1828, directions have now been
issued to commence the operations on the 16th Nov.,
and to close them by the 31st December, this year.
—lt is said that his Excellency the Minister of the
Marine and Colonies has received a reyal resolution,
by which he is permitted, on his urgent solicitation,
to retire on the Ist of October next, retaining the
title of Minister of State, and with his Majesty's
thanks, for his long and faithful services to his coun-
try. If on the Ist of October no resolution shall
have been taken respecting the organization of the
departments of the Marine and Colonies, business is
to be done as usual in the absence of the Ministers.

—The office of Mexican Charge d'Affaires
and Consul-General will be performed by Senhor
Maximo Garro till the arrival of Governor Mecado,
the new Charge d'Affaires of 'Mexico.

A clergyman asked a female parishioner" why
she and her husband were always quarrelling?" "It is,"
said she, " because there is one point in which we agree
too well." " Pray, what is that point ?" said the asto-
nished Parson. "He wishes to be master, and so do I."

We are happy to state that the iron trade of
Scotland is not nearly in such a depressed condition as
that of England and Wales. In Scotland, at the present
time, there are eight iron-works in full operation, with
from two to four blast furnaces each, and comparatively
little stock on hand. Five years ago, during the specula-
tion mania, the price of No. 1, pig-iron, was 181. per ton;
but at present the same quantity is freely selling, for the
American and Continental markets, at 51. ss. The blast
furnaces, owing to the state of the atmosphere, have, with-
in the last two weeks, produced iron of the best descrip-
tion. It is not a little cheering that the consumption of
iron by the extensive foundries in this vicinity has within
these few weeks, considerably increased.-- Glasgow Chron.

A new light and cheap drab-coloured hat,
long used in Ireland, has been introduced this summer into
London, and has got much into vogue, composed en-
tirely of lamb and rabbet wool, witbout any beaver.
Some of the beaver hatters, fearful, perhaps, of its suc-
cess injuring their trade, have hit upon the expedient of
giving away a number of the new-fashioned hats among
coal-heavers, cads, beggars, &c. to shame genteel people
out of wearing them. Among others, the well known
black in Tottenham-court-road nuw sports one of them;
white toppers.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

FRENCH PAPERS.
(From the Constitutionnel of Sunday.)

MADRID, SEPT. 3.—The expedition from the
Havannah has caused such astonishment to the
English Cabinet, that Lord Wellington has ad-
dressed a letter to Ferdinand, in which he tells
him, that as a Spanish General sincerely devoted to
his Majesty, and interested in his glory, he begs of
him not to hazard any ultra-marine expedition with.
out apprising the English Government of it) who
will endeavour to subject the Spanish colonies to
legitimate authority. " The expedition from the
Havannah," says the Duke, " is not only inade-
quate to the execution of the intended purpose, but
even calculated to prevent the succesa of a more
numerous one, combined and supported by Great
Britain ; and besides the disrepute it may bring on
the Spanish arms, the persons devoted to the mo-
ther country might thus be compromised : by such
a mode of acting, the Spanish Government would
deprive itself of that support so necessary to effect
the grand design."
The disunion increases in the council of Ministers,
and the retirement of a portion of the Cabinet is
F polcen of. We truly said that M. de la Baur-
donneye was not servlceable, and that he could not
agree with the colleagues whom he had chosen. It
is thought very likely that a part of the Cabinet
will retire in a few days ; and to whom will the vic-
tory remain ? Can M. de Polignac preserve the
just equilibrium between the violence which would
destroy every thing, and the moderation which would
obtain nothing ? We shall not be astonisred if
Courroisier and d'Haussez were obliged to
leave the Cabinet, and then would the wind blow
with violence. Will M. de Polignac allow M. de
Bourdonnaye to dominate over him ? It is believed
that an antipathy has been already manifested be-
tween them ; but these are times when mew seem
hurried forward by folly, and every thing leads to the
belief that violence will prevail. There are some
circumstances which still arrest it, and these are the
reiterated notes of the English Cabinet, in which M.
de Polignac is reminded that the alliance presumes
not only the concurrence of Ministers, but that of
France; and then, as we have already said, the
refusal of the taxes, in case of an illegal imposition,
frightens the Council to such an extent, that sonic
allusion is made to it in every sitting.
M. de la Bourdonnave replied to every thing, and
it is even reported that he used the following ex-
pression All this revolutionary ferment does not
frighten me. I will strike the first who shall refuse
the taxes." It is said, too, that he added to this
sentence a few words which called to mind his
terrible speech of 1815. They have excited deep
indignation.

(From the Journal du Commerce.)

It tvill be recollected that on the evenings of the
19th and 25th of November, the subaltern agents of
poll:-e, after having barticadoed the streets St. Denis
and St. Martin, so that the passers-by were collected
into a body, broke the windows, uttered incendiary
vociferations, threw stones at the troops, anti, when
the sedition was sufficiently organised, and the au-
thorities bad given the usual warnings, they sepa-
rated from the crowd, and having placed themselves
out of the may of the bails, the gendarmerie fired
upon the multitude. Now, what does the Gazette
It topics from the Journal du Commerce the
artirtc relative to the Brittany subscription; this do-
cument is, in its term and spirit, respectfol to
the legitimate authorities; it expresses fidelity to the
Kill, submission to the charter and the laws, con-
fidebeta in the justice of the tribunals, and it formally
excludes the idea of resistance by force, which
would be a frightful calamity. But the ministerial
writer, substituting his own ideas for those contained
in the article in question, transforms the original do-
cument into injuries againSt the person of the King
isas his authority, attempts against the Royal pre-
rogative, an inducement to re-establish the privi-
leges of the ancient repr', and the overthrow of the
charter and the laws of the kingdom, &c.; it picks
up stones and throws them at the King and the ma-
gistrates, and then denounces us as the authors of
the attempt. The Journal du Commerce is seized by
order of the authorities, and the Gazette also gets it-
self seized in order to play its pat t in the trial,—in
order to inculpate us, and to sustain the accusation
which it has taken the pains to get up. The fol-
lowing are the means which the dilator points out
to the Government :

" The document which has been drawn up, and
to which it is sought to obtain signatures, is uncon-
stitutional, illegal in the highest degree, and con-
tains a grave accusation against the King's person
and authority.
I. It presumes in the Monarch the violation of
his oaths by that of the charter, and the liberties
which it guarantees.
"2. It again calls into activity the principle of
resistance which it is wished to organize in case of
the offieial proposal of an unconstitutional change
in the electoral system, or the illegal establishment
of the impost,' which is an attempt against the
Royal will, and makes private individuals the judges
of this prerogative of the throne.
" 3. An association of subscribers with a politi-
cal intention, having chiefs, and bound, by written
or other engagements, constitutes a real political
corporation,—an alliance or federation which cannot
be formed without danger to the public tranquillity,
and which the Magistrates and the authorities have
the right to know of, in order to dissolve and to
proceed against these authors according to the im-
portance of the circumstances.
" 4. The preamble, by recalling the contract of
union between Britanny and France, and by appear-
ing to support the resistance provoked by that do-
cument, from the necessity of making certain
clauses of the contract respected, resuscitates privi-
leges which had been extinguished and destroyed by
the constitotim s of the kingdom, and by the laws
which hare fixed the new territorial division, and
placed all the departments under the same authority
and the same law. In this respect the document in
question is unconstitutional, and contains a grave
attempt against the charter and the laws of the
kingdom.

5. The principles which induced the condemna-
tion of the national subscription in 1820 are appli-
cable to the subscription which is attempted to be
obtained in Britanny, since its object is to paralyse
the action of the laws and the government."
It would be useless to expose all the impostures
which this commentary contains, as each of the in-
terpretations of the denunciator is contradicted by
the express terms of the document commented
upon. The subscription is only opened in the pos-
sible case that a handful of political waste-books
(brouillons politiques) should attempt to violate the
institutions of the kingdom, and to establish imposts
" either without the free, regular, and constitutional
consent of the Chambers constituted its conformity
rtith the charter and the existing laws, or with the
consent of Chambers formed by an electoral system
which shall not hare been voted with the same con-
stitutional forms." The hypothesis, then, is a ma-
terial violation of the charter and the laws. There
is, then, no question of resistance to the authority
of the Government, nor of opposing the exercise
of the Royal prerogative, still less of an injurious
attack upon the person of the King, towards whom
the members of the Brittany association declare
themselves bound by oath and by duty. They only
engage to resist acts which should not proceed from
authority, regularly expressed, of the King and the
legal powers, and to which obedience could not be due.
In such a case the Members of the Association
would resist the usurpers, whoever they might be,
of the powers of the King and the Chambers, not
by force, but by legal means, such as the refusal to
satisfy exactions, and by proceeding against exactors
in the tribunals and in the Cour Royale of Rennes.
Let the waste-book politicians, then, cease to iden-
tify themselves with royalty, and to pretend, at each
of the censures of which they are the object, that
the King is attacked in their pefsons,—an insolent
artifice, by which, shielding themselves with the in-
violability of the King, they seek to despoil the King

himself of it, and to make the responsibility of their
acts fall upon his head. -
But do we net see through their real intentions,
under a pretext OF which they themselves discover.
the absurdity ? Even at the mere words of charter,
Mega! impost, and exactions, see how they irritate
themselves, and y.ctend that the King's prerogatives
are attacked 1 What interest have they to fortify.
themselves beforehand against resistance to the col-
lection of illegal contributions which may be im-
posed, if it is not because they intend to give an op-
portunity and an object for that resistance ? Do
they fear that an Association formed for an hypo-
thetical object would become a subject of trouble,
if it were not probable that the hypothesis would
be realized ? If such an Association had been formed
during the last administration, M. Roy and his col-
leagues would not have suffered much uneasiness
about it—they would have held the authors in con-
tempt as visionaries, for they would not have thought
of imposing taxes without the concurrence of the
Chambers, or with the aid of a pretended Chamber
of Deputies formed by an electoral system esta-
blished without law. The confusion into which the
Ministry is thrown at the mere appearance of the
plan of the Association, and the pursuits directed
against the journal which published it, evidently
prove that the citizens who suggested it were wise
and foreseeing, and that the danger is not imaginary.
The news of the seizure of the journal will no doubt
have the effect of multiplying the number of its sub-
scribers, and more Associations will be formed in
other parts of France upon the same model.
The citizens will not suffer themselves to be in-
timidated by the menaces of the Ministry. The
legal resistance to arbitrary power and to usurpation,
so far from being an offence, is an act of patriotism
and fidelity to the legitimate authority. The tri-
bunals will not punish as an offence the act by which
the citizens unite with a design, the end and means
of which are equally irreproachable. The right of
associating is as natural a right, and as incontestable
in principle, as the right of acting and of thinking.
The law only suppresses the culpable use whit!, may
be made of it. Criminal associations are those like
that society of self-called Royalists denounced in
1819 by M. Madier de Montgair, under the name
of occult government, which laboured to overturn
the legal government by violence and assassination.
It was, or rather it still is, that criminal association
which unceasingly conspires against the Charter,
and which now thinks itself powerful enough to ac-
complish its project. They are those organized
military companies formed in some of the western
departments, which have chiefs, arms, and flags un-
known to the army : they are, in short, those 50,000
men in whose name a letter was addressed to the
King to offer their aid in destroying the legislative
power. These are the associations which the au-
thorities should endeavour to dissolve, and whose
authors they should pursue according to the " im-
portance of the circumstances."

(From the Journal des Debuts.)
Every day the existence of the Ministry is a crime
against the monarchy. Powerless and divided, it
remains motionless; and its unpopularity acts for it.
It is like a public provocation addressed to France.
Everywhere it excites popular protests, and prepares
legal resistaNces. The Procureur du Roi yesterday
caused tobe seized at the Post-office the Journal du
Commerce, which had just published the project of
association arid subscription in Brittany ? But is the
moral effect of it destroyed by this proceeding ?
Will Ministers prosecute those who signet the do
cument ? 'What, in short, have they done ? It is a
company of mutual insurance, for the payment of ex-
pences which m'ght be incurred by its subscribers
who should refuse to pay taxes illegally imposed,
without the concurrence of the Chambers, or
with the concurrence of Chambers illegally formed.
The employment of such a precaution is indeed
of melancholy augury, but it has been formally pro-
vided for by the laws. In every budget since the year
1817 we read " all contributions direct or indirect,
other titan those authorized by the present law, un-
der whatever title or denomination, are formally in-
terdicted, on pain, against the authorities who order
them, the office's who prepare the demands, and
those who collect the tax, of being prosecuted as
peculators, without prejudice of action at au), time
within three years, against all receivers or collectors,
and without it being necessary to bring this action
before the tribunals to be provided with preliminary
authority."

HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO—MORROW.
Morning... 45 minutes after 4. I Evening ... 8 minutes after 5,

THEATRE ROYAL, ENGLISH OPERA-HOUSE,

STRAND.

THIS EVENING will be acted, the Romantic Opera, called

DER VAMPYR.
Baron Kassova, Mr. Thorne;
Count Mavrocordo, Mr. FL Phillips; Alexis Zeriny, Mr. Sapio ;
Wenzel, Mr. J. Bland; Franz Boro, Mr. G. Penson ;
Eblis, Mr. 0. Smith.
lanthe, Miss Cawse; Henrika, Miss Betts;
Liska, Miss H. Cawse; Suzi Boro, Mrs. C. Jones.
After which,
BOMBASTES FURIOSO.
Artaxominous, Mr. J. Russell' •
Gcncralßombastes, Mr. 0. Smith ; Fusbos, Mr. Thorne.
Distatlina, Mrs. C. Jones.
To conclude with
THE SPRING LOCK.
Lorenzo de Medici, Mr. Wood ; Giulio, Mr. James Vining ;
Doctor Manente, Mr. Keeley; Doctor Flamingo, Mr. O. Smith.
Amarantha, Miss Cawse; Vergcllina, Dla. Keeley.
To-morrow, Der Vampyr, with Sod for a Song, and The
Sprfog Lock; Friday, Dcr Vampyr, with Sold for a Song, He
Lies li= e Truth, and The Waterman ; Saturday, The Sergeant's
Wife, with Sold for a Song, and other Entertainments.

TO CORRESPONDENTS.
CLERIC US, JUN., from Horncastle, however true, is too
personal for our Columns.