Star.
London, England, 1808-03-29 00:00:00

I R ISII EXPRESSES.

Mr. PARNELL moved for an account showing under what
authority a sum of 25,0001. had been paid within the last four
years, by the General Post Office, for Expresses from Holyhead
to Dublin ; and also an account, sheaving whether any part of that
money bad been repaid by the Irbil Government, &c.
The motions were agreed to.
Mr. Secretary CANNING brought up some additional Papers
as we understood, relating to the Dardanelles.
. . - . .

General TAR LEI ON presented a Petition from the Debtors,
confined' the Bprough Ggal of Liverpool, praying relief.—Or-
dered to be laid on the table.

LOTTERIES.

Mr. SCROPE BERNARD, after a few observations, in which
he expatiated on the immoral tendency of Lotteries, as encoura-
ging a system of idleness and corruption, concluded by moving—
" That a Committee should be appointed, to inquire how far the ,
evils of Lotteries have been remedied, by the laws made for their
regulation; and that they do report their observations thereon."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no possible
objection to the restriction of any abuses which might have crept
into the Lottery system ; such a plan was, in the highest ,degree, I
laudable. Parliament had interfered on this subject before, and
had actually almost done away one of its most serious abuses—
Insurance. As far as the Honourable Member's plan pursued
such an object, he should be most happy in assisting him; but if
he meant by his Motion to attempt the abolition of Lotteries, it
could scarcely be expected, that, holding the situation he did, he
could give the slightest countenance to an idea that went to de-
stroy a very profitable Imcost to the country. If the Honourable
Member intended to lower the price of the Tickets to their lite-
ral value, he should also feel himself bound to oppose, as tending
to the very same object—the abolition of Lotteries altogether.
The Motion was then put, and a Committee appointed.
• COURT OF VIENNA.

Mr. WHITBREAD asked the Right Hon. Se.
cretary whether any communication had taken place
between this Government and the Court of Vienna
between the months of April and October ? The
.Honourable Gentleman had put the question on a for•
mer night, and the Right Honourable Secretary had i
aneereted him in the negative. He had since seen al
paper in the public pints, purporting to be the Au-
strian Declaration, in which it was stated, that re-
presentations bad been xtetdele the "Court of London
in July; and answers had been returned ; and that sub-1
sequently some farther communications were made,
to which the answers of England were evasive."—
The.Honourable Gentleman, therefore, had to request
an answer te this statement, to shew whether the
Court cif Vienna htd riblished a falsity. He also
wished for the production of the private dispatch from
the Noble Lord (Lord G. L. Gower), in which the
expression was used of " II fant menager pour le mo-
ment l'Angleterre:" He did not know whether such
Ott art34l was inexistence ; if it was, he should move
for its production. As the Noble Lord was in his
plate, he would ask him whether that expression was
ever communicated to Ministers ?
Mr. Secretary CANNING was not aware of any
official communication having been made from the
Court of Vienna, at other periods than those he had
stated. There certainly were communications in
which he was informed Prince Stahremberg acted
without orders, but he was not aware of any other
communications than what were alreadT before the
House,

Lott! G. L. GOWER said,•that the expression re-
ferred to was contained in a pritate letter which he
had written from St. Petersburgh. •
Sate conversation took place across the table be-
tween Mr. Whitbread and Mr. Canning, in which Mr.
Whitbread intimated his intention of moving for that
letter. •
!LACER IN REVERSION. .:41'
Mr. BANKES rose to move for leave to bang in a
Bill•to prohibit the granting of Places in Reversion
for a time to be limited. The Honourable Gentle-
man stated the principal objects which he had in view
in proposing the former Bill—and first as to the great
political object, viz. that it was not expedient for the
public service that the granting of Offices in Rever-
sion should be continued. The Bill which he had in.
troduced, in his opinion, was useful, by preventing
that practice so far as it prevailed. It might also
have been useful in another point of view, viz. by pro-
viding that persons selected to fill offices should be
fully competent to the duties thereof, when the of-
fices should be vacant. Another object of the Bill
was of a financial kind, and more immediately con-
, nected with the Committee, who were to be empow-
ered tci'examine into the naturenf the offices, and see
I what were fit to be abolished. •In what he should
have to state this day, he would not depart from the
first consideration, and he hoped the House would
I not depart from what appeared to *bs, almost their
! unanimous resolution when they adopted the Bill.—
I He was in this particular crisis anxious not to create
any difference between the two branches of the Le-
gislature. When the Committee inspected the Jour.
nals of the other House, they found that limitation in
point of time for the operation of the Bill had been
suggested. On that principle he would now pro-
ceed. With respect to the prerogative of the Crown,
he could not consent to carry his t so far as to
say that offices should be instituted sake ofin-
creasing the power of his Majesty. Offices were in-
stituted for the public good, and-if in time they had
become sinecures and totally useless, they ought to be
abolished. The Honourable Gentleman, after stating
that the Pension . List had increased much beyond
the limits which Mr. Burke's Bill had intended, con-
cluded with moving,4K. •
The CHANCELLO` IL of the EXCHEQUER
declared that he would-not oppose the introduction
of the Bill, but he felt it a duty which be owed the
House to state, that he should move-some amend-
ment in order to render it unobjectionable elsewhere.
To avoid the improvidence of grants, he should pro-
pose a clause, that when they were made they should
be immediately inserted in the Gazette. As to the
Pension List, the increase arose in the revenue depart-
ment, where it was usual to provide for superannuated
persons, by granting them small Pensions out of the
loffices in which they had passed the greatest part of
their lives.

Mr. WARD expressed his regret that the Bill had
been rejected by the other House, because it wolild,
if passed, have furnished to the public an earnest of
what they might expect in future. The other House
had come to a decision, not upon mature delibA-ation,
nor in so full a House as might have been expected.
The entry on their Journals proved, that so far from
being friendly to the bill,.they were directly adverse,
and disinclined to assist this House in carrying into
effect the patriotic pledge which they had given to the
people, of instituting inquiry into abuses and grie-
vances, and probing them to the bottom—a pledge
which his Majesty had expressed, not once, but twice,
in his speeches delivered when Administrations oppo-
site in their principles were in power.—(Hear, hear !)
This was not a dispute of a common kind. The
1 counteracting of any plans formed b? the House, cre-
ated in his mind the greatest alarm, for now there
was another party—the Country ! It became the
duty of Parliament, both from the state of the pub-
lic mind, and the situation of affairs, to remove any
grievance, whether great or small—( Hear, hear!)—
He could not help thinking that the wisdom of their
Lordships' decisions on the subject but ill correspon-
-1 ded with the purity of their intentions.. He was of
opinion, that it was not economy alone which could
relieve the public burthens. He was concerned to say,
that the great evil nose from a secret faction which
exists ; which grew with our weakness, and strength-
ened with our difficulties and danger—which black-
ened all Parliamentary proceedings—which engende-
red corruption, and which rendered Ministers equally
inattentive to the distresses of the country, and the
dangers which surrounded it—( Hear, hear 1)—To ,
meet this danger, Ministers were bound to adopt a
different line of conduct—to act so as not only to he
free from fault, but even from the suspicion—to be
earnest and honest in their inquiries and detection of
abuses, and in their endeavours to-reduce the public
expenditure.—( Hear, hear !)--It was important that
Parliament should recognize the -principle of the bill.
The Counsellors of the Crown should, if they had
adopted them, get rid of any foolish ideas of the pre-
rogative of the Crown being about to be invaded.—
The Honourable Gentleman then alluded to some il-
lustrious names contained in a paper which he held
in his hand, and observed, that when every dispsi-
tion had been shewn to add to the splendour and dig-
nity of those illustrious persons, he did not expect to
see those names taking lead in opposition to the bill.
j —( Hear, hear !)—He lamented to see Ministers, for
some of whom he had great respect, so completely
give up the reins of government. He would recom- '
mend some persons to look at the ancient monarchies,
and the revolutions which followed ; they would see
that those revolutions were the consequence of an ill-
judged, obstinate, and . stubborn resistance to the
wishes of the people.—(h'ear, hear o—With respect
to the Bill, the bight; Honourable Gentleman had
suffered it to pass, had given it his cordial support,
and now of a sadden discovered some modifications
were necessary. Such a sudden revolution in opinion
very naturally suggested to his (Mr. W.'s) mind, the
existence of some sort of controul, some sort of se-
cret influence, as destructive to Ministers as it was
dangerous to the constitution and the liberties of the
people.—(Hear, hear!)-There never was, in his opi-
nion, any set of men existing who had done se much
t wards raising that influence, and who were of course
' destined to reap the fruits of their labours—(Hear,
hear !)—They were in pos*ssion of the titles a of-
fice, without the realities of power. It was a false
reasoning to suppose, that because Court influence
and Court intrigue were in full power, that popular
danger was thereby guarded against. It was that
sort of intrigue and influence which one day would
bring on the danger.—( Hear, hear!)—The lionour-

able Gentleman eqnsluded with giving
support to the bill.
The CHANCELI3O.It
.of the EXC'
restated some of his former observations rest
intended amendments, and added, that
with the Honourable Mover thi whole w'
object was to obviate any objections' Thai
:Aside to it in another place, and therernie,
tions were reciprocal,
Mr. W. DUNDAS repeated the form
which he made to the measure in its print
observed, that the very title Of the bill she,
it was ; that it went to entrench upon the •
Crown, for _it was to prohibit the grant
this without any abuse being proved to ei
foundation for such an insinuation. It
,ther an innovation upon existing rights,
shadow of proof that economy was
Mr. PONSONBY thought it neee,sar‘
gize to the House .for taking up at.y mei
time,, after the very able speech which
heard from his Honourable Friend (Mr.
he could not help making a few observati(
had just fallen from a Right Honour a:
That Gentleman seemed to argue, as if
tive of the Crown were only enjoyed for
arid private advantage of the Prince ; bi
ever be recollected, that according to
ciples of our Constitutiori, the _
for the good of the people. 17117h:en also
that.the measure infringed on the pr re of said,
tilt
Prow' „hut this was no argument atel'alruforpatt,
went had often interfered with the Royal prerogative,
. . .
and Withont srich interference our Govenunentr
have been as despotic as any in Europe,
such interference,. our Constitution would ,
:a mere name, a shadow of liberty, without
:lity. A. measure of this sort was peculiarly
sure which ought to come from this Hous
was • more peculiarly the business of de
Commons, than of any other branch of
turi;*to navel over the distribution _
money ; and if followed up, and supported
per. spirit and vigour, he had no doubt '
branch of the Legislature, where it had
perienced opposition,, would ultimately
consent to it. As to the proposed amendment
Right Honourable Gentleman, he suspected ,"
stead of promoting the object of the bill,
rather calculated to thwart and oppose ;•
vious notice of an appointment to any
Gazette, would be of little effect when
*as not sitting ; and after the appointment
taken effect, it would then be too late
for Parliament to interfere with effect.
he should have preferred a bill approaching
as possible in all respects to the fermi-, '
should not object to the proposed limitation
of duration, and trusted that the measure
adopted with equal unanimity by the
the last occasion.
Mr. BIDDULPH thought that the
the House of Lords upon the former Bi,
a principle which was unfavourable to all
the clauses which the Chancellor of
had this evening announced his intention-,
would not in his opinion tend in the
to remove the objections of those who.
proved of the former Bill, on the ground
fringing the royal prerogative. Tin
good to be obtained from the Bill had
too lightly spoken of. When it appeared
persons possessed Offices in Reversion
of 20,0001. a year, it would not be easy
the people, burthenCd as they were NV
that every thing had been done which
.clone in the way of economy. From
some Gentlemen, it was difficult for them
adequate idea of the sufferings of the peoi
necessary taxes that they were obliged '
if they had been accustomed to wirness
poor people, whom he had had occasic
I pealing against the property-tax, he
that they could have manifested so nu
a measure, the economical results of
they might not be very considerable in
would tend at least to alleviate the pressor
burthens in the minds of those who were
them. Not the least recommendation
measure to him was, that it was the •
of a system of reform, which might
much greater extent than many Gentle
be property aware of ; and as a proof
be expected from it, he quoted the ad'
the public had already derived from
the Finance Committee into the affair
by which taxes were spared to the amot
a year ; though he conceived that that
than one halt of the benefit which, unu,
curnstances, might have been fairly expected.
Mr. H. BROWNE considered the
be. valuable as constituting a part of
of reform, which he hoped would be pursued
and constancy.—He had seen what
feted from the burthens of necessary
while he lamented and sympathised wig
ings, he had had great pleasure in witnessing
tience with which they were supported.
desirable, however, that both Houses
should concur, for without an agreement
branches of the Legislature, no plan, 1
cial, could be carried into effect. He
now to express any opinion respecting
which it was the intention of the Chain
Exchequer to propose. If they were -
the object of the Bill, they should ha,
and if they were inconsistent with
should vote against them.
Sir R. SALUSBURY said that
have his warm support.
Lord PORCHESTER contended _
which the Chancellor of the Exchequer
ted his intention of proposing would
to defect the object of the bill • but as
before the House, he declined entering me, -
cular discussion of their merits. He deprecated
idea of the House of Commons being 'A
doing its duty, from an apprehension t
the other House of Parliament. Neit)
agree with those, that the object of the '
important as had been represented, v
collected that the late Chancellor of`the
for Ireland had stated that it was impossible
some measures of reform in that country iv
from the circumstance of some improvident grants
t
Irving been made of offices in reversion. He though

ph

recciyed Americ
seen from the foll
of a vessel 1
instru4

eb.
Osal

A
'Ol
, 21

Lieut
'Gov(

Iturday,
immei

Wa
negocial

itirely
has r
at
which
Arid
made.
',ENT

as
prop(
•
Is 1

Mr
this
in 1

KNI
;tcr
Orin
RO

Mr.
Mil
ph

both
to-day
be
th

the
1?,(

PR
Direr

Commie
pf ra
trooph

Mt
Igress,
whet
lg
!Lei<

'.lld
enable t
..Ut

i ourp
CI

anc
intnrr

arra
Journal

h;
tore )1
Gibr4

abo
th
del

w
arrangeme

~ t•
• :. ie much 1
his tonfial dia.:waivethe present
•• t°
71'- ineffectual by is
Cri objecii,,,
"31EQUER rtasu gES, in replY, e'
it was go'nr , • • ...cite nature o
°.ay, as tg, • iithLooser— , and also of
TsPectmg h., _. 7of the Exchequer N
at might be do
tr:iram. As far as i
-e,tlt;:r inle:: . 0( opinion that their t
incipk. ii Ors vasgiven to brinj
1..v.',:-.1 wha; Ili gr. Ilenry ThOr ft t 1
rights °ldle an
~• ted to prepare
Its, ecc. .41d , --
--1“. through a variety of
exist, or any oat r•-•
WAS able. .4°4
3, Withaut aNI
, Againdpcin°Pbstathe object whicl
EVE
:ted. . THE'
try to apol9. • • LONEII
note of their ---,-,
a they had • - TUESDAY? )1
.. Ward), but ---,ae 01 groCKS Mts D
tiont on what Elmo , mit-4er April s,
9y hail
'hi? Menihtt• . VollyweS "g--enti Slt-ICE
- t"e preroga. ~,...—A.,it 4 O 1
r the honour ....--- pn. shut 1
)ut itshouid per Caitit 44 if
the lee p ri. Pes canj•ig
_,
ive was then
....14r co, Per 1?” 97
um .I._ ' • . r" ...

uld have
lative ortit; is i„, reedited Amen
11 t for Podia. ea be seen from the f°:
Al prerogatire: e report of a vessel
'ilunenlvroula '
ipe• ' Without ' :-/-rithild " • f
.thou[ the tea. • - What MT. NOURSE
iarly that mea. .' a ;bout the 21st of Fel
louse, since it •board Osa
bees roe are also advicei i
• la the
the iiree etc
:for Mr. A
Of the public . was to touch at L'C
endments of a
nod with pm. . , •
.. we to be-landed, a
of the Legitla. •„ tippaiallse
that the other iiippolisely tcr sail so
id hitherto et. • t it
V see reason to
and Lieu
• **. •
aected that in. ~, appointed by Gov
bill, they were isses'and England ;
e it. The Pre- ''. ''' ..• on Saturday
.Dgirs . Noma,
iy office in the
ken Parliament • • (*go will sail imme
nent had really Egtract of a Letter to
te, in general, „ Gazette. dated W;
For 41119 ; . 19,..“ The negocia
,ching as nearly
:r, but still he .
cation in point "Penn to be entirel
LSUre would be • • ,tllat go. R. has .
• for a few days ; i
House, as on ... nut Government
proceedings of ‘- Council, to which
all reform; and •se Wednesday, and
Bill, went upon
the Exchequer ~ .• The PRESIDENT
-,-. , tion was made
ion-of proposing , fee the purpose, a
smallest degree
rtho had disap. •
round of its in• ' tho statement which is
. • 04 preparing a prop
le quantum of Two Couriers, one for
also been much • , .Bare the city this
tred that certain
NVlttiam PINCKN
asy to convince
k it New York in
m to the value
• with taxation, •y the Senate Minister
:h ought to be • London. He was on
n the habits of • .Idy with Mr. MuNni
hem to form an ,• 141. left London, Mi
people
a fromßhut t .
.; • ty to act as a Mi
ss thep distress of There is a paragrapl
dto y. e
!asion to see ap• - Itating that M
did not believe 1..
such aversion to 7.- ore, and that bQI
, •••• , in this city to-da
' which, though
-- Mr. E. has not b
,iren
schsuereir amount,ofthese
• n 7 reason to suppose tl
rere subjected to ' adaingttzl,
oof the purses it is reported to the
commencement .
be pursued to a 74.4. 411 410063 P R
lemen seemed to 1°44 fail, Kr. p Aglow!
f of what might Iloilis OF KEN
advantage whit Itif, ...,,„.„, ode
a the inquiry of ,•• . was'ogressi
to ;
irs of the Bank pledged, That a Comm
iunt of 200,000 L
at was not morender all the cir .radon the expediency of r
~..___
troop,
v
a r•w "
eetlina sispoo men,'
; presentexcted. Bill to •al Ketas:T.4e.
1 a general plot On Ike motion of /A
•"2ne okinceer
_,
lursued with zeal reported progress
the people suf• e4s +5, nays 46 ; whc
ry
ithtatxhaetseion and • Send the following
soffe,
1..
Resolved, That the Prcri
Witnessing the Pa' . communicate to this I
ed. It was most gnien Relations, as he ..ii
w
es of Parliament felt, the better to enable
Meta of the
~,t" ryest.blisbnieet of tkc U
, however Men* Oil the
m Motion of I),
le did not meat
ring the clauses, •uaned.—..Yeas 53-,. l
:liancellor of the
e consistent wills some
punch Jour;
leave his suppant . , ,
i this object, he tome% but their c
contain Napo,
the Bill should ' ' 3 hereditary an
: . the were int9r
d that the clauses pi... 4
9 vra4 am
ew public
Journa
Igo completell h.
as they were not hug ofN4POLEON'S
VA. heir
mg into a consequences, h
•113;en
quer had la in* - •K-
[e deprecated the hu Ire b4d before ;
rag deterred from ._ . .
on of displeasing tn,„,,. .t at Gibr
Neither could be '-"„ ted in pain.
he bill was so tan '°°!laPAßTa is ab•
when it was rt. at appowted a
de
it-the Exchequer 'et hint there on tl
npossible to can/ ng it is ogpected, ti
mtry into effect+
t for Portsigal la
'provident gran" fv.
stun. He thought if/ Ow arrangenu

ING STAR,

LONDON.

TUESDAY, MARCH 29.
!STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
Nal °
6411—for April acc. 84f 1---Oninium Si pre.
04"..7.0r tent. 97 }--Exchequer Bills., 3s 48 pre.
?tICE OP STOCKS YESTERDAY.
Long Ann. slug
4.4 IC4 AtUl. shut India Bonds, is. 2a. dls.
perCent•i• it tEL Bills, is. pre. par Ss. pr.
pa
COO* English Tickets, l.
Cceraid
NOY 961 91 COl3ll. for ace. 64 fa

woe received American Papers to the `2sth ult.
It4l seen from the following extracts, that they
)
"on of a vessel having arrived front Eng.
1,1 with additional instructions to Mr. ROSE.
Ns, are also advice from America, which cOm..
to that Mr, NoURSE was to set sail for England
((about the 21st of February. He was to take his
on beard the Osage, as was- also a courier
foruapes for Mr. ARMSTRONG, at Paris, The
so to touch at L'Orient, where the American
lotto be-landed, and from thence the Osage
'urger:lately to sail sor England :
Ngw YORK, FEB, 24.
l'icoussE, and Lieutenant Lzwts, are the two
appointed by Government to carry dispatches
Trios and England ; they were to set out from
Aire on Saturday, and are hourly expected.
Opp will sail immediately on their arrival.
pct of a Letter to the Editor of the United
Yes Gazette, dated Washington, Friday Evening,
The negotiation with Mr. RosE is SUS-
p'lO4 for a few days ; it was erroneously reported
ening to be entirely broken off. It is under-
si that Me. R. has made some proposition, to
eba ogr Government has refused to accede. A
('2e Council, to which Mr. GILES was invited, was
it4s Wednesday, and then it was probable this
keniantion was made. Mr. MADISON continue;
Ise The FRESIDENT has been to-day at Mr. M.';
ho, for the purpose, as it is supposed, of concert-
isgmd preparing a proposition for Mr. Ross. Such
is a statement which is generally credited."
Tao Couriers, one for France, the other for Eng:.
lasidatve tite city this evening. They are both to
seek at New York in the same vessel.
ir.\Ytu.test PiCKN EY was this day nominated
kthe Saute Minister Plenipotentiary to the Court
(broaden. He was originally appointed a Minister
*with Mr. MUNROE, and it appears that since
left London, Mr. Pnictuier has possessed no
'atity to act as a Minister.
. is a paragraph now running through the
les, ;ming that Mr. ERSKINE was last week at
here, and that both he and Mr. Ross were ex-
Ptol in this city to-day. The report is totally erro-
rte,Mr. E. has not been in Baltimore, nor is there
'lmam to suppose that Mr. RosE is about to leave
Irekingtm.
Ili( reported to the Southward, that a vessel has
inind at Hampton Roads, with additional instruc-
'.:ns for Mr. gotsr,
HOUSE OF RFPRFSENTATIVF.S, }ER. 19,
Mt. CRANDLER offered the follox%irg Resolution,
4;4
741 agreed to;
ittl, That a Committee be appointed to take into tongr
enr4:l the expediency of rasing by trallatirrient 4n4 PrPnizing
-'O4 va@nteer troop: for the services of the Unites! States,
7?t;4‘441111 24,000 men, and that they have leave to report by
NI a dye.
04 the motion of Mr. VAN Darter., the Comptittee
rJR, tzpor.ed progress, and obtained leave to sit again,
'ag 41, nays 46 ; when M. VAN prk.. immediately'
*the following Resolution :
Tist the President of the United States he requested
:0
'; to tkis House such information, touching our
Fes" It`44tOgr, as he any deem coruistent with the public in..
tr"'the better t° mid, this House to jucict how far the mili-
,ettaldhlumot eft* United States ought to he increased.
04 the lnOtion of /Ls.. rz
wrAIIDE.NIER, the House ad-
eunet-4eas 43.-,•Nayes fit

Some French Journals, to a iatc date, have been
eared, but their contents possess little interest.
IlieT contain NAPOLEON'S Decree for establishing
hereditary and of Nobility—a measure
#lt, we were informed by Papers previously re-
* was then arranging.
The Public Journals, which seldom mention any
lg of N4Pot.EoN's travels till they are known by
Tconsequences, have been permitted to announce,
'''nom bad before learned by letters from our Con.
r"Pondest at Gibraltar, that the Emperor is soon
e'Pecte4 in Spain.
Ignisps.nrn is about to set off for Bayonne. He
' anointed a deputation from the Portuguese to
'seer hint there on the 10th of April. At this meet-
'Dg it is expected, that the new system .f Crovpm-
iri2nt for Portugal will be settled upon.
011110 arrangements for tbs divisiop of Turkey?

wouij be much better for the House ai-
l° diatetsepThive the present measure, than to render
inffectual by indirect means.
srsticomEes, in reply, expressed a hope that the
of the Exchequer would give sufficient no-
. the precise nature of the clauses which he
propose, and also of the time when he meant
t to As far as he now understood them,
dopose them.
of opinion that their tendency was completely
int the object which he had in view in mov-
orpo
ior the bill.
was given to bring in the bill, and Mr.
eve Henry Thornton, and Lord H. Petty
ppointe_ cl toprepareaonfdroburtiini!biunsitp: same.
tie ring th ugh a variety , the House
,osel
r.l vvr-VilC.l STAR.