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London, England, 1811-01-05 00:00:00

SIXPENCI?, FlALritikTgr.

On the question being put on the first Rest).
The Earl of Csat.isLa rose, and in a short speech
expressed his disapprobatirin of the line of condutt
pursued by Ministers ()it the present occasion. liC4
serrin
to
some
ii:mtvrival
allusions which we r'-' In3u4
on 'a „tanner night, he cotin,nded, 'mt:.
rences to be dedu, thefeirom I.sktio d
from the conclu,ions advanced by Noble Lards nn
the Ministerial We, of t:.e • House arnt, in the
course of his ahrtervitions paid his tribute of sp.
ehuse, to 'some trominent parts in the ministerial
elivaaer'of MI% Pitt.

The -Marquis of LANSDOWNg declared, that bit
to be his duty to negative, amine, the prim
ciple on which was hinged the propriety of imposio4
restrietions and 11MitatIMS on the icon. It was a-
clt-trille unknown to the tow, unatithori.e,t , try
fns
Constitution, and the. peaetice which it was built upon
was daily becoming mare dangerous to the interest*
of the State, and the security of the Constitution.
he had not misread the book of that Constitutions
it taught hi rr to believe that the crown and its pre-
rogatives were a trust granted fer the, go,nl of the
people, and not for the personal benefri of the K ng.
That the powers vested in the Crown were ititeoderl
to enable the Sovereign to dilicharge the funalont of,
the kingly office for the aitiantage at the nation to '
which he ruled, . and chat those powers should be in
proportion to tit,: chtlicidi les which he might have t 9
encounter in the doe discherge, of these tunctitnia.
Surely then, if it was requisite at aoy time to leavt,
those powers unrestro9ed and unlimited, the ditti-
culties of the present moment justly ant imperative.
ly called for the West exercise of the legal pow era.
If the exercise of those had forine,ly been loom! La
be useful, what was there in the' nanny of our pre-
sent situation that shoeld make us consider it ;tot
only as ti,elei4, but mischievous ? It St ere really Cu-
rious to examine the nature of the proposs'd restric-
tions. It would lead us to belizve that what is use-
ful in a King; most be useless or miseLievrtes in a
regenf-eand that, therefore, when a regency is to
he established, you should suspend tt,e exercise of
the prerogatives of the Crown in the hands of the
regent. And, indeed, if your Loretibips' assent to-
the proposition of the Noble Srcreiery of State,
What may • not be the inconvenien'oes and ditfieta,
ties in which you may involve the regent ? 'You
woold with mad from fur incanCe, the power
of rewardiag merit, a poker which has teen swat-
onsly opheld in all en iliod nations ; but above ,41
in moharchies. The power to-reward merit was al•
ways the mote grateful prerogative nt a Monarch. But
now----when you would call upon the regent to ox.
t with vigour all-the other duties mid, i num ion, of
the 50y,r.:1,2,u---when y.m wwld have hi call on
es:ery tun it ideal fur his ,best csortions in his coma,
try's cause—yott would St\lip hi n of the means ot
rewarding those exertions, while' you word(' leer
pore apoll Mena all that was harsh, ungracious, mei
bevero in the discharge of the royal finictaiea.
regent would have to execute every thing that sea!:
odious and ungrateful in the exercise of t he royal an-
thorhy, *hiie you would despoil- his authority and
prerogative' of every thing flirt was winning, gra-
cious, and benign. it could not be a new oosetvrie
tion to :their Loittihips that the British Constitnr
fiat' consisted. of three: brandres, and that in- the
reciprocal action and res...iniien of these three es.
fates resulted the ,whole beauty of she ediOee, The
two flutisea werenow called upon to fill up the de•
ticiency which has so unfortunately occurred in the
third estate ; and if they should deprive it of its due
weight and influence in the general. system, what
must become of its equilibrium and mutual cnn-
tioul? The power of. creating Peers is one of the
chief entnrouls of the Crown; and if you take it
away, where is the boasted balance of our coosti-
tutional system ? Their Lordoh:ps were now indeed
standing on he. wreck of the constitution, without
a rudder to guide it amidst the rocks and shoals with
which it was encompassed. The Noble Marquis
next argued against the' proposed restrictions with
regud to, his' Majesty's household. What particu4
lar service could they now he engaged in with is,
gerd to his Majesty ? They were tor'the present in
incapable of rendering any service to the King. BA
it has been said that on his Majesty's' recovery, lila
complete recovery ;he hoped,. it could be paintol to
his Mai -sty to dud that those who noel usually been
,ut his royal p,:rson should 'have becri removed.
Surely this was paying no very flatterilia
uncut to the royal mind, What would ii insinuate
.but this, that nti his Majesty's recovery, itl4t,-...att of
anxiously' itimicing what (Liniment 113%2
b.'eu that-rod by the Constitution, what interme-
diate evils might have befallen the coemey, leis Ma 4
jasty's solieitude Woold he wholly et gto tied hy
splines respee!ing the Officers of his
litti this I.l,Plna not all. These restrictions, it secms,
were to List but a year,'and then Pat liaincut might
see whether they should net be fotther proh.o4ed.
What a state was this, then, to which you w gold
degrade the. Royal Authority'! You.woold ob4,erve
in what manuer, during the course of the year, the
Regent had acted in his administration olipubiie
fairs, qua then you would call him agotl ter yPgr :bar,
examine why the restrictions in Lis , hority
s,lutiki not be 'bather continued, or why liS,preroe
gativis might: not be further curtailed: tor wuvre
can you be said to stop, after what has already
he .a proposed ? These Was really-, something
in the; prttpusitJoii trobre ()it:is-Lordship',
'There was no livsitation in giving to the.flegoit the
trimigant:ol (lit. navy, of the artti , and or all
the cOltltUelCi,ii Telatt:tasial the countr- -
y Vier thetr,
it seems, he may exercise the most,utthwited audio;
city. but oVcr t‘t.:l hOUtiVhold he must 11.1“, I)14 1(111,
trend. The FL -11 t may tnak. peace Cr v it, but ista
trittSl not 1114,c• o.:!erti or arrant sinecures,
pot only do Atiniiters stem to levlany alum). 4,r
to the various p.,cedents that have t addul..ea itt
svport at dais doctrine, and ot these met§ures, thuit

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fair lehliention to a case of rolleitaturlty and long
eeperience and observation. There was therefore
only the precedent of I7Ber, on which this whole
question was to rest. Of that precedent' he should
4mly toy that it out; imperfect and incomplete. It
stood recommended only on the groundS, of eXpedi-
ency and should the wounds at eXeedieucy which
recommended it sin 1768 now be rei!emeneutled itr
tan 3 Must we forgei all the great events that
sieves pissed since that period, and the important
consequences which they have produced'? .I,4Ste the
Constitution suffered nothing from the overwhelm-
ing influence that has at isen from the FrenCh
itevu-
ltattarr; is not more care, more vigilance, Inure
esiergyelpore aetiiity Accessary now to uphold it,
and to maintain the extensive interests ,of this, great
Empire than at any lousier time Yet such is the
Element when it is proposed. to shackle and curtail
tit it power by which the increased vigilance, ener-
gy, and paw, are to be exercised. When the at-.'
tack of tbroign enemies is to be repelled, %lien_ in-
leinatdiscontent is to be controuled, you would
withdraw from him on whom you impose; all these
arduous'oskse the means of accompliseiog Hier ob-
jects you would requite at his. hands. You would
have supported the edifice of the State, yet you would
cut away the ground, un which it must stand.' If
their. Lordships were not prepared thus toexpose the
means of the safety of the country, yet they would
concur in .the ainendment which tie now moved.
'he Noble Marquis then concluded with moving to
have out that part of the resolution beginnieg with
'the words " subject to such restrictions and
ltuMtst-
t &C. &C.
Lord SiassouTH rose, not to follow the Noble
Marquis through the detail of his arguments, but to
express the feelings which he laboured under on the
resent occasion,and discharge the duties which they
imposed on liim. The question now was, to fill up
the defect in the personal exercise et the Royal Au-
-thorhy, during the temporary illness, for temporary
he trusted it would prove, ot the Sovereign on the
Throne. In the discussion of • this great question,
be had been told, that, he should lay aside all per-
sonal feelings. He woad adopt no such advice, he
would not lay asi.le his feelings, for be knew that
such sympathy should not be disregarded. But
though he should willingly' attend to them, they
should WA make him depart a 'Wes breath ii front
the Saki line of his public duty. Such was the wise
and provident nature of the British Constitution,
that it seemed to foreiee and provide for all enter-
gencies. It did provide for the present emergency,
for as the rights and prerogatives of. the' Crown were
given for the good at, the people, so when any deteci
arOse in the exercise of those rights it devolved on
the•two estetes of the realm, on their Lordships and
on the other Houses of Parliament, to supply any,
defect winch might occur in the other branch of the
Constitutinn, - Accordingly as soon as the nielau
ch ly feet had been ascertained,. of his Majesty's in-
capacity to exercise the functions ept the royal au-
, thority, the tight of aupplying that detect devolved
on the t wo Houses. They "certainly possessed that
right. But between the. posseeseet of that righteand
-the exercise of it there was a invtetial difference.-..-t
The terms were by no Meetis synonituuute They
wouel cautiously abstain from the "exercise of
the right as long as CireUa!Ataiices would al-
low, and they should always feel it an evil to he
obliged to transfer the Royal functions from the
leighing King to any other person, however respect-
able. lit precet ding to we in consequeoce ut the
ascertained incapacity of the Monarch to exercise the
ropki steleeity, they would nut lose sight of the re-
p„rtof the pey,esans, by which tact had been
ascertained. It (here appeared, that .althuugh for
the time, his Majesty was incapacitated to discharge
the royal functions, yet strong hni,es we're entertain-
ed and expressed by those physicians of his Ma-
jesty's recovery. itusweis of all
,of them
were fav`otnable , and a mere coitfideist seep!
eeenese to be entertained by rhem ot the King's
recov fly t hau during his illness in the year 178 H. His
Majesty was still in the full pessesstoteol
hie pe,ti-
ticai„capicoy, and the ease We hail pow ttiprovide
for, was to be regulated byelie necessity which 'pro-
duced it—What necessity existed for conferring on
the Regent tie: whole unlimited, unrestrained prero-
getives of the Crown ? We ere told, indeed, that the
Regent must possess the means and the power of
carrying on the business of the Goveremeet. Let
those, howeier, who say so„ shew that in weer to
Carry lilt the Government, the Regent must have the
pow& of making Peers. We are told by those
who would grant unlimited power* to the Regent—
or rather, who would transfer from the King to the
Regent, all the prerogatives of the Kingly power—
that the Regent must be aimed with all the ere.
ereies and the means of resisting our external or
ioternal enemies. Granteds that, he b 110Uld ; but are all
those energies to 'prove unavailing unless he pos.
seas the power: of making Peers, or is debarred
from exercising it only for a year ? No doubt the
Regent merit have the • cote ruul over the easy and
sassy, and over the revenue. .11M here, again, 'how
Much hos the influence arising, frornboth navy and
army, ncreased situx
the period to 1788 ? The at my
i
and navy have since (lota a. The revenue, which
'as then 40 millions, has since swollen to flu or 7O"
Are we then to be told, that With all
this acculmation of intim rice, the Regent e ill Hot
have power enough, unless you ado •the poster
et making Peers ? Besides, is there nothing to
be apprehended from tt.e advisers of the Regent ?
lit nut temporary authority, front its very pa-
tine, more liable to be abthiSti 'than permanent
trutliority ? is it not Often all illeenove to that
very abuse'? _ Care should therefore be taken to ba-
lance accurately the CireUitialailees on both skim—
F..ir his part, he should ti el that he betrayed his
kiwi if he consented to pass 41Way..ati atom Of his
nopif Autlnirhy, UllioiS it were clearly made out
to him that the possession of that degree of autho-
rity was absolutely necessary to carry on the busi-
Deis of itle Government. As' to the state of the
King Hou.cliold,' should it, not igt considered
that there is ail illCipient,stilte 01 recovery in %Omit
it (night „be essential that his Majesty should eye
bitusell surrounded by those persons to %Will he
liad teen itccostonica 1 And it they were tound
to have been r,ittoved, what, painful feelitv might
there tint :wise to the Revel' tuind at discovering
'elicit a removal, especially in the state of health to
winch he had just Minded. It was to that inter.
mediate state to which he could not but look with
the uttnotianxiely. It was my thing which would
irtitate a such a woulvtit that he uiu3t moat car-

nestly ilepdceate, The Noble Viscount again re,
verted to the precedent of 178 e, The preceeding
at that time Wail highly approi,ed by, his 4Vlajesty,
and was hailed by theliccorahhg voice of the nation.
It was sanctioned by the gi..ve4 slid Most enlight-
etied authorities of th.it day ; and It was In every rtt-
speet a precedent front which, on an occasion like
the present, their Lordshi;e.,.be was convinced,
would not lightly depart.
Loid ERSKINa agreed, t hit Parliament should not
presume to touch the Royal AOthurity until it had
beers solemnly end satisfitc:orily sheWn, that the ex-
ercise of. the Royal Functions were seterrupted,to the
detriment of, the public service., But when the fiet of
his Majesty's ins apacity had once been established,
no delay should ha%e been allowed to interviene,'end
an imMediate remedy ought to have been applied,
without hesitation, or refusal to proceed to those
acts which it was the ditty of the awo Houses to
perform. It' had been insinuated that it might be
difficult for the King to resume his ailthoril upen
his recovery, unless these restruaions were imposed.
He could see no room for such an insinuation. The
King would haver only so appeal to Parliament, and.
in the honour and intevity ad the two Houses, he
would have full security for the resumption of his
'power upon his perfect recoviery. As to the restric-
tions respelling the grouting of Peerages, he saw Lib .
just foundation for sham. It was a restriction
which never has been inipesed upon any Regency.
Where was the example of any Well testrictiuos and
limitations having been laid on any Regency ? Have
not all the pre:og itives of !Inuit), been given to
Regencies where there were Councils attached to
them, even in the case of minors, and shill these
prerogatives be ref need to the Prince' of 'Wales, in
the full mamrity of age and vi'vor Of understated-
ing Ha should like to bear of any one iustauce
in which such restrictions haJ been propti.ied nod
admitted. Hears have been varied of dittn.totiei
arising to the return of his :Majesty to the lull exer-
cise of his Royal authority. lo what quarter could
(such a difficulty arise ? Could it for a moment be
supposed that such a difficulty could arise from any
undue influence created in their Lordships' House ?
It was impossible that any such number of Peers
could be made as to overpowe- 11l that House the
attachment of their L rdships to the person of the
gbvereign on the Throne. He might safely sa'y
that no mail would resent and resist such a wee.'
sure more resolutely ilcsu he would Wiwi:di, or no
man could more sincerely rejoice to see his Majesty
folly restored to the complete enjoyment of all his
prerogatives. Any other suppostouti would bc
dis-
gratce►ut to the House.
Thu Lean CHANCaLLOR rose 'to follow the ex-
ample of a Noble Viscoent (Sidsnouth), and to ex-
press the opinion he entertained on the preient oc-
casion, and to discharge the
.duty which it imposed
Upon him. Much bad been said iespecting the pre-
cedent of 1788. Let vi list might be thought of it
he, for one, would ever coosider it as a complete
precedent, as to 'the manner in which it regtllated
the powers of the Regent. It was a precedent,
countenanced by the first authorities of that day, by
men of the highest charabler, who were now no
more. There were, no doubt great namt;s en both
sides of the question, What his opinion was, be
should not hesitate to declare. It was his Settled
judgment that, on general principles, there Should
be no Regency without limitations, restrictions, and
conditions. ..Tee (i'd'uareitioton saw' them in no other
light, and it therestei'e alway imposed on them te-
s.rietiOns, limitations, and conditions. This it was
not difficult to prove. If we looked .to the 24th of
Ge 6.11. µo should see . that it provided certain re-
strictions tor no Jetta a period than six years. Again,
if we look to the 4th of get). 111. we shall there
find that it provided restrictions fur 12 years. These
were guides which were not lost sight of in 1788,
The title of Repot was unknown to the Common
Law, and lie tutu the anthority of Lord Thorlow to
say, that a ltegeta Was a Mete creature of statute,
and his powers are given .to him by statute ; but all
the prerogativei remained with the King. He
would now examine whit had been ernicaLu by the
statute to which he had referred. It first named
ten Counsellors, not of advice, but of contruol ; and
it was material to see how they were appointed.; the
King wis.entitled to name four, nor were they then
merely, restrained from creating . Peers ; but even
certain officers were 'named whom they could not
change, the Lord'Clunicellorc the Commissioners of
the Navy, the Master of the Rolls, 'eca:. and tour or
five of them were sufficient to put their negal It aan
the creating of Peers. Nor warm there any, remedy
against their iuterference, except an appeal to the
two Houses of 'Parliament. If' all these precedents
were consulted, it would be seen that by none of
them were such powers granted as are now proposed.:
No ; not the fortieth part of Ike». For giving Ina
opinou on this matter, he should offer no apo-
logy. He was the subject of at King who hen-
,self was limited, and would say that Pa:No:tit
must keep the bond of their iiile4iame to their
Sovereign, and see that the power' entrusted tit
his. mono should be placed whirr proper limitations,
restrictions, and conditions. Thus it would be pm-
vided, that his Majesty, when happily tesiored to
health, might resume his luminous, unenpatied ;
allies wise, it I the. _mg wntild not enjoy What
is allowed to the Meanest of his subjettai. Where
Were those who were so loud in their assettiocs that
the influence and power at the Crown should be di-
minished ? Are they prepar,d to say, that in the
King it etltutild bb that ice the King it
should be without polaroid, and that even at a
time when is c koked fur the King's recoveiy,
and therefore to his resumption of his royal
tioes ? If the proposed restrittiona were wise in
1788, :as he contended they were, why should not
they also be thought wise and.salufary iu ffil
Lord St,ENCtitt protested against the nutlet:owl
and improper protkittion that had s.tken place. 'The
Noble and Learned Lord had pioceeded on a com-
plete fallacy from the beginning, to the end of his
speech. The power of creetiog Peers bad always
existed sutnewitete or other. It was inseparable Irvin
the royal authority ; and the royal authority was that
which the two Houses had declared it was their right
acid duty to supply. So it Was also with a ho,power ut
granting places and pensioni; and tilthough he was
one of those who voted for the abolition ot the
power of granting Wanes In reversion, yet howould
not take the opportunity, when the ;Mtwara was
cawing under,the visitation of Providence, to strip
the Crown of its brightest ornament.

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SeVertil Peers i WI% togetuer, a uebuitory cotiverd

tatltin took place with respe6 'to the right of priori.
ty ; ,which was at length determined by the Chair-
man of the Committee (Lord Walsingham) in fa-
vour of

Lord SELKItiK, who argued gainst the reti:ric.,
'lons. •

Lord CLANCAUTY Contended for the necessitY of
the'restriaion3.

The Duke of ,NORPOLK supported the Resolution
re..petting the flouseholtt, as it -cattle 4rotti the
of COIIIIIIO., ft;

Lord HOLLAND opposed the re4triaions on the
broad princifile that the Monarchy of England might
not to he deprived .of its prerogatives without the
consent 'of the person in whom that Monarchy was
vested. ,The-reason whiCh induced the Nobie and
Learned Lord opposite to support the rest rict ioua, was
therefore the reason which induced-him to oppose
them,, namely,, the temporary 'suspension of .the
powers of the Clown. Such a principle as that as-
serted by the Noble and Learned Lord would be
most fatal, not only to the Monarchy of Great Britain.
but to any limited Monarchy whatever. The two
Houses first declared that it was their right and duty
to supply the aeficiency in the executive authority,
and it was' then proposed to them. to supply it not •
fully bat by scraps, shreds, and patches. The No-
ble and Learned Lord sippealed to the feelings oldie
House. He trusted that he had as. muc(i just feel-
ing as any man. He knew also that those feelings
which he cherished the most strongly, he was the
ninSt repugnant to mese. He w ould tut, there-,
fore allow any urn to tell hitn that he did
not feel because he was not loud in his expreision
of feeling. This parade of f cling, however,.did
-not proceed with a good grace from those who
had not allowed even the clearest ties
.Df his Majesty
to, apprp .6 his penult. Much ittlesa had been laid
no the speech (tom the Throne in 178 n, and it had
beeh slid that it implied ihe Royal apps ouat ion cif tree
preceding measures. In tiro, however, it was the'
speech of the Ministers, and what authority was
that 3 IHe put it to their Lordalt ps, whether there
Was not a great diGreeee between the puhlie Senti•
-anent on the measures adopted in 1788, and the
public sentiment' on the measures now prope.ed?.
Even sin, e he had entered the Roirse, he had re-
ceived several
,petitions, which he was desired to
present, against the I.ending proceeding.' Mini.ters
attempted to justity their conduct bra reference to
the precedent of 1788, in a way which r. aniud~d
bit" of an anecdote he had somewhere met with.
A school-boy went up with a Greek exercise to Dr.
Bentley.. The Doctor having remarked in it a soli•
cism, pointedit out to the lad, who jusrlfi• d
hiur-
selt by appealing to the authoitty of hodar. " Aye,"
said the Learned 1)oeior, " Pindar was a bold fel-
low,
and you, are an impudent fellow."
Lord Haenoway conceived that those who vot-
ed Irons principle against the restrlOions proposed
muse vote against all restrictions whatever. He ad.
mitted that the two Houses bad resolved that it was
their right and dirty to, supply the deficiency in the
Executive Government, but that was qualified with
the accompanying, declaration that it was their duty
to supply it in such ar manner as the exigency of the
cue might -require. It appeared to him ,to he
distinctly ,established by a reference to precedents
that a Regent had never been itivebted with
power equal to that' of the Crown. All the autho-
rity that the two. Houses possessed, originated in
the necessity of the case. Their acts tnust be limit-
ed by that necessity, and What necessii) wea there
for allowing the Regent to create Peers ? Would any
one assert that such a power could be necessary to
the regent to enable him to carry on a legitimate
G•tvernment for a twelvemonth Adverting to the
resolution respecting the,household, he deprecated
the division therein prescribed, -and contended that
it would be scarcely possible satistatiorily to separate
the part which was to remain with the King.
Lord Ger:um-La remonstrated on the manner
in which the opinions that he had formerly advanced
in 'mother place had been exaggerated with an in.
lention by to means obscure, It would have been
more manly if those who had intended to embers
rails hint by this manoeuvre had not covered their
design with- then language of praise. Embarrassed,
however, be was not. He was ever of opinion (al-
though this opinion bad no application in the pie.
sent instance), that to purchase consistency
~at the
expellee of integrity, could be gratifying' to those
alone, who preferred the opinion of others to the
approbation ot.their own hearts. Far be from him
such a wish. The only question which, in his pubs
lic life, he ever proposed to himself Was, "What is
the interest of my country, and consequently what
is my duty ?" Never eould he be deterred by any
fear of being charged with inconsistency, from deli.
veriog his free and unbiassed opinion. 11 lie saw
tenon to abandon former sentiments, he would not
'scruple to avow, that more mature deliberation, and
it might' be more extensive knowledge, had taught
him that they were errorieous. To say that airy
bire racist be bound by his first judgment, was to say
that the lite`of thntman must be spent iti vain, and
that from the opinion, which he expressed on the
clay of his entrance on a public career he mu=st never'
subsequently dei.ine. Such had not-been the prin-
ciples of the best legislator's of this and other coons
trrei'.l\do individual whole memory vial c.kai to the
world, of whom it might not be shown that -he had
the manliness, at some period or other of his life, to
avow (wilier error. The history of the- last fifty
years would atlord sufficient examples at
;this tact,
Fie trusted, however, that no one would suppose he
said all this as applicable to the circumstances in
which he found himself placed ;' for he declared that
he:Adhered strictly to all the priticiplea which he
had asset ted'on the satne.subjett in 17813. • Ott ono
part of the subject, and that the most important, he
had already deelatedhis opinion .both in that House
and in another manner, which bad become public.
He had declared (with ail due deference to the re,.
speclable authorities by u hich be had been opposed)
that he had not the least doubt that on the two
Houses of Parliament devolved the necessity of pro- '
viding for all the defiCiencies which tusk on—
cur in the legislative and executive authority. In
whet manner the. Litter was to be supplied was a
grave considcration, but he was convinced that the
power in the two Houses of supplying-it could be
suited only by the necessity. On the principle of
necessity constituting and limiting this power in the
two Houses, he maintained that the power of
striking the Regent resided in them. Had a law.
existee on the subject, no such poWer would have
devolved; but lista° such law existed, the power re-

r
lvertod,to the people of the land, represented by
;
tegal representatives of those estates ado -
he people were divided. He could imagine nnot
occasions on which it must generally be admit*.
that provision ought to be made to meet an 61i
gency by no means co-extensive Vi ills ate it°l3
Ant badly. He thought proper to state it as a Ott:,
of principle, that he had no doubt of the power 01'1:
nil the'audiority of the Regent residingin thel
Houses.contrary principle would be. ariah•ol°'
solecism. A gre.tt deal too much had, in his opint
been said in another place, in the course of 114",/d
bates.on this subject; about Perstinal character.
thoinzlit it a melancholy proof of. the silu'alion
of
this country. He should have hoped that it well;
have been possiule to refer to the opinions of
great aiteo who differed from one another in l~Ha
With imputing to any one improper inotives.
was happy to think that tic intemperance
sort had taken place among their Lordships. "1,
each oe
ch of the great (nen who were in direct ',ln,
don to each other at the period which he had !,,4
tioite.l, might be s.tid, as BO ini:,broke said 0;
Mike of IVlarlbOtough, when ;erne of e! was nail;
itr. his Grace, °' he had his failiegs, .but he
sd great a man•that I forger Ls hat they 'wele•
would, therefore, proceed to state his soitimerted4
the subject, without asking wlietner`they icOr
with those of this great man, in times of the g w
ro
est party heat that he had e vet witnessed, or)
trusted, that on any occasion he ever shoillii,sNitr'','o
He would presently she,w, that the vety Peri4""' °Jett
brought forward the present Rtesirlutiuti, as loati
Oa the precedent of 1788, felt that that precedent
so inapplicable to the preient time, that, in Itatutl
the Resolutions, they departed from the esic`.o",
principle of that p‘rect.detit ; and for 101 A'C'S 11;1
son he should oppose one of the Resolutions. •
he should not rest oil this authority ; he would ,i). •
dllt'
peal to the common- sense of . their 1401 1i
whether the circumstances 'of the -.Presetit slut
were not' essentially 'd:fferent from those ut 170
A Noble Viscount hail taken a narrow view 01 ►io
difference when be, spoke only ot the eh:1001%o
amount of our establishments and of our tello
He would push that consideration further, a" ,„
what rendered that increased establishrestot 11710
sari? He would ask; if there was an ifulivide, 31 10
the countty who, by posibtlity, could be 011'4
the Councils of the' Regent, who would 1101 be
py to change the present establishment for 111::'110
blishment in 1788, if he could also get
other circuinstatices in which the present petit)*
1,4
fered from that period ?. How then could he I,elubo, '
accused of inconsistency, if under different
stances he entertained different opinions ?
nion with respect to the restrictions must depenm,ej
their nature and expediency. There was a ;lee
t
restriettnn for which, in the shape in which no
on the table, no earthly consideration would 111
him toVote ; he meant the resolution relative
creation of Peers. He allowed the delegated l'i°lol
ought to be marked as delegated. He A•o3s isrt
considering that Royal authority was the pro1)-to
a
of the person by • whom it was held. It W.lll
ill
property of .00 people from whom it utl/;'",13,4„
emanated, and for whose benefit it was
—lt, would scarcely be necessary for hint R! oa
that if personal confidence were the' ground
which the present question was to bo
degree of confidence could, in his opinion bay's
great to place in the Illustrious Indisidual totv'ip
Ibis high and exalted trust was to be contideu'litet,
he repeated that there ought. wbe a marked A
ence between original and delegated author,itY'
great mistake had arisen witl3 respet to the
,
den in 1788, on the restriction upon the cede'
of Peers; and the Noble Lords who re•leof
much on that precedent now brought fur-00';
, the Resolution 'altered in that very pon'r,„-e'
which the divisions took place in the 1-i°-e
namely, whether there should be a lituieti°,:ol.
the restridiods or not. 'By their own conte's:4
therefore, they, admitted that the circuinsle''ce-.11
the two periods were materially different. Hisao'
would much depend on the time for which thtl 110
,
stridion was to be imposed. But there was 3111)",i,
more important deviation in the resolution, rc'eede
• ing the peerage, front the precedent of 17101; °lid
nation of the most destructive anti fatal iisture..,
was the exception in favour of 'naval and .101'1.710,1,
men, Now. he held it as a first' principle ut the-of
stitution, that the honours of the State were or" 0,
all ; and that there was nth peasant, however 11.:ei,ct
who
.might not' aspire to rank one clay ,
however, tl a path to honour watt cit Ottiscr~ a
But pride, which every Esiglishman felt ill ~ ,
seised, was suppressed, aytl the most fatal t ie.
pies were intrycleced. Were their Lordships Piro
pared thus toeircutuscribe the path to honour •
?
they prepared thus to stigmatize thentselve9tgel
tablish nit invidious distitiction ? Were they Prviicitil + -
to
,declare that those who held .Peeragra
services, either as legal men or as statesmen' :iraf.•
them by a title, less worthy-than that of ,
and eminent persons who had been justly
guished fur their naval and achievvillc'j aP
He was sure-that he wenid not be undefs'.°Qooo;
deprs..ciatiog thcem7rlts of ;he heroes
try., With the utmostorespect for them, tha
out ,ready to say that tueir professions 01-.4./
`most tiotioutuble and the most `Advantattob-1
He held in hip estimation the services O,II:L4V'
tar- Duke of Marlborough anti Earl Nelson too". 'arrti
53t:e:isittbityteiirltellatult)ailltahaeHr. dostfu:ke.sts'utili?vnuoriouuYt:atibblielee.6l7lresi.ontQltt!,lP'cir:'3l,tP'l-r,r's:
ciple proposed lobe. introdocett was dung!: tj,lll'pil,‘
vvlty to which be would never consent. be
led ildwevcr, that the power of creating
the power ut
annunit; Places and pensions o'er.e
41,05e11 harts eat the Royal Authority opt v►l'wi
,1,1
was temporal, and le,' powers
perrhancill. Upon. the whole, his objection Atabiat
twuosroarsneofresahlerii.rteisouni,6:•wiutillerwe4alss: Ititinit..isisleiYhaPtitr.tielo6l4r7'lli:rj;
iswwo:l)usict[ll}o:4°::lttoirl:laYudvsquigdaliiiit'eudTilni:'jmu'stit".:plaittl:cl:lP4l.vl:ll.lll;ltillt;
tl
to the regulajtrioulti
they withdrew it tho odious, cni- It'
Ii
property, it met with his conctirreticc,
alluded he could
teal ;t to the Resolution rctiol‘e to the -/100°-,el;
iont, jute: foro pfetr•;,.
hesitated not to say. that be would give 3 deb'

preference to the proposilion which eame ftom
to be
House of Con•ntions, Over that which was the
brouOt f ,rvyard by Ihe Noble Secretary of State. God
forbid that he should object to any expres•imi Ot
feeling Which fell hest; the Noble Lords opposite on
this Nuhject. 1-10 'was hound to think those feelings'
'were le
in genuine efftision of then. heart!!. He
agree(' with them completely in principle. • Indeed
he went one stee,ferther, for he thou ght that" the
two HOUS,M ought
.not only' to
fort and con, provide every cote- ',.
yenience tor his Majesty, bat also that
they ought to provide tor the maintenance of his
Royal di k
gnity. Th..
was v ou.;:lit to remember that he
a sic King .11.1 lie Ought not to be kit
n
as a commo lulividual in such 'circumstances,
tut as a.S-overetti ; that altlitiugh be was on a bed
of sickness, 'they should throw around • him the
'ensigns of Royal dignity. If the Resolution
~.
frog
the Houle of Con-1(110ns did not contain
Q distinEt reference to such a principle, he wished
to iopply it, But haying cousidered and recousi-
dee'd that Resolution, and having heard it ctiticis-
ell by the Noble Lords opposite,- he sidl was at' a
loss to conceive how it nay. defictent in the ass'er-
'Con et the principle, the detail of which must •be
141,41311er of subsequent regal itioti —a regulation that
„' Wail aware would be accompanied v, it h some dif7,
ti.culty, It appeared to him, that although the situa
11111 oft lle Kin 4 might rk quire 'ewer attendants, yet
that it tt'ai iteceNsary Its rlould be attended by per-
sons of the.rei,Le rank and degree as the present, in '
Sore
to preSerVe a itialkrd ofference between the
.)verei4ti gild any ot his subjects. lie should vote
tamed°T:the neiithltintl, ot the Commons, ueoause it c 0051...
sl... a recital of provisicina fbr the cointort, aed
I.3.lol!,trirtre tor the digei y of his Nl.rjesty ; but if the
' u 1 'l'-ii)'"tiekl olt dial Ilesolution did not follow
p the priticii,le,, it should tweet with his decided
tilpiNiii,„,.
Thc Earl Of tivt,..rtpo'nL, iti a very eloquent and
forcible n.)l
1...
I,
.. 1 y, whlcti Wall; (If 'OOlll COMpela Ili mere-
iYhtetia:liot,Ll, delikted the evils which must flow from
if the
4101r:,1,1 (,'!.. the
.I\l(nlbie flow
Imendment.
ii. ,5 innitatiou and restriNietts were to be
.uue away, it vdould carry alorig with them the 4.• us-.„
1,,(1Y 01 the Ktngig ‘ 1
pLtsoo, the comp ete power over
%ill' ,11).riva„te Pr >ell% , and all the n.eers of ihe Kin
i1,..:11e,
jioli`iitil::l„isAvy'nuld appertato Ito the' acgent. Igtf
tht, iteso,y,.:::oli
would idet
.Ntatlti, a new toodellingio.
ioilitioti
,`4:li
co
~e,attil be loft open. The I
.1
vitot. sit(
_., 1 ' 9 verbatim trout that a4ieed to I ,
than 0,6 .1/4,",'Lli,ol)leCtions ,had beep made by more
vow ,i "hl' lie
t•otd to the exception itta,te in fit.
cauh„, H61411(i, Military otficert In the Peerage
Vial ResiiiuLZ°lll.,,, therefere, a,,!;ree to amending
Lord,. Ahern al irrt-lbly, to the w 'vibes of the Noble
die to the 4tii 1111'1'3 '''e thcught no objection Could
sth. ihat rii..ti esoluttrin ; and with tesoett to the
ble E 4,1 chicle 1,i'..:, t" Oft Aoyailleuseitold, the No-
istvtin (if
shit. ,!.`cilne ot his former argument* in
After a
ft.‘4:ii4.it•as.originallv nriiposed.
rernatks 1, ,i, ni exphinat il from km)
tiotrisp,in
tu. , 'lle (V k 5,
b,-in , I »-'1 sll d the
aro.r, „,,.._
__
~ 6 (
,1.0 ) (~,i efur,
jr)g,
a-riii
I,'c. t'itt.ittued at 2 o'cl,.ek to the morn.
Vete heoivro ' i►I teauaittder of the sitting the doons
• atiritil thelutt!sclesion, we understood the follow-
tng divisions took -
- • .Pirig, on tile Place :-..,
PO3N t.i), tiie N,,.9."411011 of the Amendment, pro-
Atitnu.et ,:ktgelillitliii4nZtt. L.
an.scit!w.u.: xt,s:
TheMdj4ily • ' '' • . . • • (02
10..e1, d iiv... • • •
. .
...
__.3 , u
lotion' " ' 14")11 reit )e ' dth reerage 4. eso-
An amendment .xl Lte
e
out tile excoption ‘n ; " was roPosed for leaving
()!Ijois., The nu 18v(.'"E of Naval and ' Military
mbers we r 0
• For
.....
the Arovikt
AgsiNt „ ment
• • . " "6
kittii? :i.gaiits; the •ttisoft t.. n ."
11°°
On th:Tt, "1;14 the C'unioN - 1 t°
"
mand,
tile.11!.(1 and Potuth ITeso'lutions—, -%-vge under.lslie „.1.7 ‘4411 11° dig tier;;
ro , tit took
_.,gije(..tin;‘,
the
it place .on, the Fifth Resolution,
peared ii iltti, Housellold, wl:en there ail'
For the Resnlution as' sent ne • ' • ' • • ill° ..
i
rot are A1110(1(41 •
con-.-., n
t.:.4,(pr0p04,1, aS We could
~.,t.o:rilit
int
1(.114
oriittiontiNliiiisterA) for re.
oral,!)lir'lltielitYs,4ll,„.,r4t,ivit:c'teirl'il°*l:fte,:iOl:tiiuli...:l; 97
(3
ttr-i-rtr° whether
ealled for, a considerable debate
111',14.1 to .
they stititild'he allowed to vote.
111 4 'CitYl'.
Vitra.... 41P11 took Place, when the numbers

.. .
.
,
In favour, of Proie ' . . . • 99
gilin§ tlieru . . . km.
Majority a '411,1 l' .-3.
The Report wa,t thi;ll t:ruo43l tt.p. Soin.e. amend. rnerni werl moved by. Lord Ltvta.Pont, *ll
Isierelneg"l,ltyPd, and the
,Ijuuse adjourned at Half
pazi Two this morning, :...

•.

~......_. •
,____......
' VOUSk' OP CONNONS.
IrlttbAY, JAN..,
i for
The CII,tNCRLibIt 'or the ExonautrElt move(...,- ,
'll letter front the Clerks of the Prlyy Sval. the
114(Itititt was put (torn the Clidir,
lier
Y
the paper or.
„ed to he hod before the. Hou,e.
i fits letter was ittnnediatdy brought up h_y the
i,;isritcellr 'f
the Lxclirquer, and road lit ‘.lerit, The letter was ordered to, be referred to the
the
Ciaortl. tnittee, and the Cluestiors was thert put that the
ttle 860,,Itiresuikti itself into a Comtniktee of the
Uliale •
}louse.
•
.14r• Tittastay objected to going into the C(.4".
t°Littantee as proposed,,. and thought the House corn.
Detent to take the subject inio consideration with Out
a into h 0111111 ii It:e
ppre-
-4.l'e eIiANCULLok of the EXCliaQuelt a
Ilerlded tin, oircunhialleCA before the House were
tech as to iui., ~.. 1 . 1., . .1' r tf the Right
1.10
ci J ) bthil 1 .1 kpr oLcu Int,. ,
rein
tonfo4. elitleM3ll Wukllcl stit auy form, tno
rinhy to the practice to the House, he should
tact 1.44 t" au'iil himself of such suggestion, if t°
'et upon it 4,hould he equiilly prilaie'abl. .
ti,, A 411(41 eonrer&it tun then ensiled respeaing the
v"",,Dci " .01 prcceetitog, afler which the que.slion was
4,9 ' 'hat the House should resolve it,elf into a
..otryinti
--`l""t* Me whole House, and carried without
t'lP°ll6`)". Tilt Hotile then resolved itself into the
%a id Cotntniti,„.
ISSUES ()V t,
the Al EY.
tht.t.dh, CIIRNC.kLI,OII of the Exert EQUell thOUght
Put ilethbiuhs %kwieh had already taken plac, had,
ose %, 1 „ . .
graum • do heart, nun in posites%ion of th.L.
possitii: 441 which he thought it very de,ira§le, d
-, to 11 • . •
L.,1.46
~ ),ii toroging tins question before the
e' ' 4 Lc) coull not but kneiv why he thought it

would have been better for the responsible officers of
the Crown to have taken upon themselves the conse-
quences of making certain issues, and risk thecensore
or is ait the indemnity of Parliament. This was par-
ticularly strong -Upon his mind, as great inconveni-
ences- must necessarily arise from the circumstance of
more and mere of the Executive power being con-
srantly'devolving on the two Houses. They (the
House) were in poisession of the grounds open which
their assistance was required, from. the • paper •which
had been laid before them. That all might under-
stand the nature of the case, it might be necessary
for him to state the nature and extent of the de-
mand which bad been made without the concur-
rence of Parliament. it was hardly possible for any
one within those walls to believe that Ministers
could think themselves, competent to raise one far-
thiog of money from the public without the con-
currence of Parliament. Than such an idea no.
thing was more remote from their'thoughts, and on
this /head he was contidetit no man who heard him
could entertain a doubt. All that Ministers had
reqoired was, that certain sums of money, which
had already been granted for, certain -purposes. by
Parliameni; should b'e applied• to those purposes to;
which they were granted. In making this requi-
sitibn, there was. a detect iii point, of form—that
howeser which was wanting was merely an att of
form, as the Ad relating to such issues had &reeled
directly tharthe necessary issues should be. made bys
the Lords of the Treasury.. He wished it,to be
dis-
tinctly understood, that it was only reqL:ired eel ta'n
sumsshould be issued for .certain services, for which
they were iotentled, that it had been the usage or
the Exchequer In issue such sums, and that it could
most undoubtedly 'be done by tire. authority of Par-
liament, without its having been directed to be done
by the King. It could be done by virtue of that au-
thority Which had been long acknowledged to be,. ,
long to them., anti not by any authority hereafter to
beacquired. The signature of the King was there-
fore a mere .matter of form, and of as tittle impor-
tance as it could possibly be in any one instance, if
it was not of less than in any other.. In the gene-
ral view of what be conceived to be the direCt
course for Ministers to pursee,,the eider hail been
issued from the Treasury. He had always thought
that would be:,sufficient, and this he had it,
mated in .a for Mer debate. The inaokr in which
that' intimation had been: recei‘&l, had seemed
to dikes's a doubt. as to whether that att.hotrty
would be 'obeyed. In consequence of this be bad
thoUght it his duty to ascertain the feet. Finding
himselt deceiVed, he had ,tlren endeavoured to gait-,
the Privy Seal to the Warrant. \.The Keeper
bf the Privy- Seal thought himself at liberty to
apply it as appeared necessary, hut the .Clerks
of the Privy Seal r'ad seemed to think themselves
forbidden, by their oaths to obey in this In-
stance the Keeper of the. Seal. Ho v for they might,
he carried under such an impression it was ilifficult
to say. F tiding he could not issue a WArra4ll ao-
der ihe Privy Seal, Iwo \variants had been issued
from. the Treasury, requiring, Under the Urgency
the case, a certain sum fur the public service.
this requisition he had received 'an answer tiom the
'Auditor of the Exchequer, in whites lie had :stated
himself " to be uneoprised of its being their Lotd-
ships'. intention to transmit any such warrant, but
requested to be informed within what time it wound
he necessary to prevent any inconveniences to
tine public 'service, that such orders should
be -strewn," &c. To this he • had replied,
" that according to the usual course of supAing
the weekly issues, both to the army and nary, it
would be necessary that sums should be issued be
yond the amount of. the existing credits, yet if Or•
deis could be so furnished, as to atolls of actual
issue by the following,Monday, he apprehended nu
serious inconveniences could arise froth' so short a
delay." To this followed a note from toe Auditor
of the Exchequer, wishing for the opinion of the
Lax Otficers of the Crown, and the opioions Of the
Attorney and Solicitor General having been taken,
in consequence of this request of the Auditor of the
Exchequer,. they were forwarded accordingly. Tire
next note in the correspondence was from the Au-
ditor, who having perused the opinions of the. Ats
torney and Solicitor. General, and the .whole of tine
documents commutileated to him, gave it as his opi-
Moo that the Warrants of the Lento of the Treasury
were not StiffiCietit to . 'authorise him to order the
issue required. In a letter which accompanied the
communication .front the Lords of the Treasury, it
had been stated,'" that their Lordships' sense of
the mischief which would arise to the public service
it any delay shoOld take place in the issue of the
money, required by the, warrants, dated Decem-
ber 31, t 8 10; appealed to render it indispensably
uccessary, that thous warrants shoulsi be forthwith
complied with, and that they were consequeltly
take upon themselves tire responsibility of any ad
which might be necessary for that purpose." He
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had curia uly
thought, till. he feceo of the answer of that leiter,
that, the Noble Lord at. the head of the Excheqtier
would have complied with that, reguisition. lie bad
no ititention of passing any censure ett tine conduct
of that Noble Lord, after the Pollnow gin en by
the. AttOrney and Solicitor .Generat.'. Yet, when
the'l,ords of the •Treasury- had offered to take.
upon themselves the whole responsibility of tine
act, he did think the course the Nuele Lord
would have taken would not have beooi to pro-
test against the illegality of the proceeding,
but to comply with the requisition from. the
necessity of the case. 'Thew Certainly Would
have been some responsibility attached to the
Auditor, but the great weight of the responsibility,
every tine ,would hove felt, . rested on the Treasury.
Tiq Noble: Lord had felt differently, and feeling
differently, , had declined to comply. He (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer). might have been
wrong in the view -which tie had taken of the sub-
jest, but he thought if he had acted differently, if
instead, of acting; as he lead done, lie had come ori-
ginally to Parliament, he should have expected that
his etinduCt ~(in nut rely log on the Acts of Pailia-
nnent, which justified his conduct in hie own mind):
would have been censured as one at the greatest
acts of pusillailimity that • ever disgraced a Phblie
Officer, thus to tear applying the money voted by
Partiment for certain p9rpuses to the services fon'
which it had beeti greeted. He would heie read
to ihe House two clauses from the Cate and Appro-
priation Ads.- The first was from Cat/. 4.5 of thus
Act passed last Session, for raising twelve tiillitns
011ie was not naist'aket9 itl loa`o! • Were lits-pro•

-proceeded to read die chime, which meted, ihat
it should be lawful for aey three ,or more of. the
Lords of the-Treasury, or the High Treasurer of
England, to issue certain sums of money for certain
purposes] He wished it to be observed, that it '
was there enaeted, that it should be lawful fer
three or more Lords of the Treasury to order such
issues. 'He then proCeeded to read the clause in the
Appropriation Ad, which set forth, that certain
awns were to be applied, to the purposes , for which
they were voted by the tired of the Treasury.—
From the evidence thus afforded, and from every
thing else, he thought, that in point of strict law,
he should havelaid himself more open to censure,
if he had origieally come to Parliament fur an act
of executive government,' When 'be had the terms
for the requisite issues .thos pointed our to him by
the acts he had cited. When, however, his Learn-
ed Friends (the Attorney and Solicitor Generals)
had, given him -their opinions on the subject, and
tionvlaced him that warrants su issued were not va-
lid, he had still said that that was the fine of con-
duCi proper to be purstred, as it was theanode most
analogous to that phrsued in ordinary cases. Such
were his ideas on the subject ; and it, instead, of
rang conformably to those ideas, he had throa n-
unneeessarily More of the executive power into Par-
liament, and tremblingly abstained from ordillog
such issues as he felt 4 ne emergency of the case re-
qiiired, front a dread of their censure, that censure
Wol.llcl 'have been richly descrved. With this feel-
ing he had taken upon himself to issue tile order he
had given. That he might -,have demt that which
in the opiridn of some was *, uuconstitutional, un-
principled, aid illegal, he eas .1-“yafe, taut he trusted
that his justification would be found in tire oecessaty
of the
‘ease. He had been, called a Directoi tied a
Reubelle. He and his colleagues had been ealied
usurpers, whohad taken the whole'of the executive
power in their own hands, but he trusted the
House would'net be greatly surprised at finding Ile
was but little'alarmed at such anputatiohs. • Tnis
was one of the usurpations ot which he had been
guilty—this- was one: of tire stretches of power
which might be laid to his charge. He knew of no
public inconveniences that had atisen from their
usurpations, as they had been called, He had ne-
ver said that no Inconvenience, would arise front the
indisposition of his Majesty, bui ha. had said, treat
ne sudden inconveniences ,t as to be expected to arse
within he period for which he proposed to adjourn,
quint to that which might be expected froth the
glop ion ot anyprecipitate measures. He was cer-
tain Gentlemen would riot have any hesitation in
coming to some meastve tor allowing the requisite
issues to be made. He, was coeliJent it would nut
be said, Lilian no resolution of the nature et that'
which lie intended to prepuse ought to he come to
by the Conunittee. What public inconvenience
was to be exited( d troar it He had bei n asked, -
,vlty he had noj brought the subject forward at an
ear liz* aeriad ? He :could readily answer that ques-
tion. He had thought the mode of proceeding
which ,he had recernmeoded eiricily legal, till he
was better informed by his Learneu ,Friends. He
, had, therefore, in the first instance, :anticipate l 110
dllfitailly. Afterwards, a hen he tuund there. was
difficulty, Ire had expected it would have been re--
moved by means of the Privy Sear. Fairing there
again, he had caused the arrant, to be istuW by
the Lords of the Treasury.- When he did this, he
was aware of the natute of the step he took, but it
was' one which he felt authorised by the tecessity
of the case at the period when it %sits taken.---
Had he acted 40 aabrteight ago there would not
have been that necessity for so calling on the Audi-
tor, and consequently such a measure couid net be
justified. Feeling this, he had thought it pruper to
make' such an application at a pet rod a hen he felt
it was justified by necessity, while at the same time
• it atforded•them an opportunity of discussing
pedieney in ParliaMetit: It lid been said that those-
who protessed the greatest veneration for the prece-
dent, of 1788, were .atiiitg in direct opposition to it
in 1811; Thai they wets taking a course contrary
to the Ole pursued at that period.' He would be
glad to'. ktios if there was airy authority for that
assertion. Hach these • who Made that assertion any
means of proving that what Was now proposed was
lire reverse of What %t out] have been recommended
by the Administration of that day ? It they had any
such
.authority, let it be immediately produced. If
no such step was taker) at that period, it did not
follow that rhe step hew taken would trot then.have
been adopted under similar citcuinstanees. if nu
such measure had then been Teet.):llUletltied by the
Government or .the Parhament at that 011ie, it
might be .that no sod' ineaaure was called for by the
ciretunstances'ef the times, and therelOrothat was
not. authorised then which was jus' died by necessity,
now., Toe change which had taken place in the
situation of things, , might'easily accoam tor this.
At that period we were in a slate of profound peace,
at the present cr.ly tire country was invalved re war.
Then no serioris ith.onvenienees ceald bt appro.7
hended,' the:delay of issues, as in the :prescyt iii
Lance, and therefore there- was nothing to justify
the proceeding %I.Uch way` now foetid necessary fur
the public good. 'With respect to the dinnOlt4eon.
ems of tire country, they went en without.tlui
immediate interference of his Majesty. His patents,
given under the Great Seal, lec. &c. all the
departments of Government to exercise their autho-
rity thus legitimately gained. There were, same
instances in 'which. the Royal signature Has of ne7
cessay required to enable the Officers of the Crown
to go on with the publi,e busimss, The Judges
were not 'however interrupted, but tiere watt.
justice authorised to Lconsidemble tixtent by
commission: In March 1799, previous to his Ma,
jesry's recovery, the Jadges went 'their circuits
which they usually do under bra iteihoray of the
Great Seid,..ruid he could not thie-lt tire Judges of
England would have doue
,this had it bear
There were a:-o many Serjeants and Ltw Otficers,
on thotts-occa'Sioris, usually put in by K,ing's alp
manual ; these Officers were at that period supplied,
thong!, they could out 'be put in the usual way,
and this eircenistauce proVed to demoestratien that.
that great W 'Authority of %loin .mention had
beuu Made siaotten, kit that necessity couid autho-
ise him to act as he did,ianti;to do that which was
trot regular, and which, wider eircuinstances, might
he'cerisured as Arcuated by ,sonilar leek,
nig,' the then laird LieUrenatit crt liebad hid given
orders which he cenceved to be essential to-the pub-
lic service, with reaped to the troOps to be sent to
and rraceived hour Aruetica lu his letterlie gaits the

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proper Officers authority to (JD so arid .sn, ,sad Im,
saver for it hereafter. That he thought was the pro-
per line cif" conduct for persons in office to putsue. A
person so situated ought, in his opinion, to itti,
%t hen he found it necessary to ittsae any order, '‘.4. Sd
and
.so,t; ust be done, t conitot legally a, thorise
the doing.of it, but you- how the eircumatancei
of the case, and you must treat to a Coy ling aotho7
rity hereafter, and bold yourself justiiie I by, the ne-
cessity of the case."-4-.'T'his, however, was not to bts,
done but in a'case of necessity. He thought
portant that they should consider, if he took a sight
vi,,w of the subject in thinking Parliament ougl,t
not to be unnecessarily applied ro for an exertion,of
the executive power. There were those.who can•
tended, that if the army in Portugal a anted recruit,.
that ought not to be done if the fion,,es were
pitting, Without an application to Parliament. This
went to say, that the sanCtioo ut Perftiment should
be gained before any' thing should be done at Any
time by the King. If they Could riot send oot
troops at any time,, without the authority of the
Xing, under any circumstances, 'as much etabar,
rasametit might poonbly arise within the first fort-
night that the Parli3meot adjournel, as whhin the
six weeks of which so much had been said. Could
ii be said that Minkrets should come down and say
to Parliament, that reinforcements should be sent to
Portugal, and move a resolution empowering them
to send out troops, if it 86(11,1 appear expedient )
Would it nut be said, that a Minister aho would
dills Seek to ges an anticipatory vote, aded more
improperly than: he who said he w pl-lc4d in act
embarrassieg situation, but baOttg nt, pre'setit
means of getting out of it, as he could not iintnea
ihately rts.gu, acted as circom,tancelaeemed to re-
quire, and took the respuns)billty op'On
• He who would comedown anti first gain the sanction
of Parlia,t ent to that which might become- neces-
srry, avould lead theta to vote in ahe• dark, or he
must lay before them the whole of thedocumente
relating .to the army, showing the situatiort
%feel' they then were, the nature nod extent of the
requisitions made' by its Commander, the plan on
which it was proposed to act—whethei an offensives
or defensive system was to he ,adOpted—in short,
e ery thing connected with the subject must be laid
beime them, that every point migtit be discussed, in
order to 1 t tlie enemy know in a few hours what.
was intended to Ue'done, or what were the formid-
able apprehendons entertained. He hoped it would
appear obvi. us, that it wait better that Ministers .
should aa'cn their owo responsibility, than tolinVe
the atfirs of the country carried. on in such a man-
ner.,. The case in which they.stood at present was
a case of actual necessity. The money required
was essential to the public service, and eotaid bj
obtained by no other means th,!n those by 'which
they endeavoured to gain it. He, Was persitaded
that it must appear to the Flouse highly • inexpedient
for Mmisters to be obligated to come every week or
so to Parliament on such nit occasion. It was prow
per- that the Lords of the Treatuty should' have the
power of ordering issues, notwithslinding the
torms of the Exchequer:and it was better that that
power should be at once given by,ooe.vote, that; by
repeated resolution:, in consequence of repeated ap--
pllcittions to. Parliament. Feeling this, his .resokai‘
tion would begin by stating it to beneceasary,
,eats
der existing ctrcumstatiees, that certain sums grant.,
ed should be issued and applied to the tietvi‘e‘ for
which they had been granted ; and that it was ex-
pedient the ' Lords di the Treasury shook!. issue
warrants which the Officers of the Exchequer
should be bound to obey. kie would now moves
his Resolution, which ‘tas rather long, but, which
he trusted would meet with the approbation of ;tuts
Conunittee„ The.: Right Honourable Gentlemart
then moved--

" That it is, the opinion of this Cormnittee,,it io
.necessary under the urgency of the resetit coo.
juni;:turv, until duo provision shad have beer) niadd
for supplying the deticiency in the Royal Authority,
arising from the indisposition of his MojeNty, 1114
such sums as have beep granted to his Majesty hylin
Act, intitled The Appropriation Act,' for granttng
his MAjesty, certain sums. arising out of:the Coirso•
lidsted Fund,,. and .Mao other; sums' granted by'arr
Act, intitled, Au Act- for . enabling his .iMaj,i,ty
to raise three millions by way of roan,' be issued io
conformity to the provisions of the isatd 4itt, antLthat
three or more Lords of the Treasury be authoitsed
and required, and they are hereby authorised and
required, to issue their warrants to the.,Auditor of
ihe Exchiquer to issue such sums • for such ser.;.
vices as they, may have been grauttd foryas this
exigencies of ihe.country may require and that the
said Auditor of she Exchequer, and other -Officer/
Qt. the Exchequer, be authosited an.l warn:ended,
and they are hereby authorised and .commanded, to
pay obedience' to their warrant, dated Ike. 31,
18 tO, and • such other wars ants as may here:titer t)•
issued by three or more Lords of the Treasury; for a
time, during his Majesty's to IT:coition." •
Sir Joust SEMI-RIGHT said, he thought tite course
which the. Right Hon: Gentleman tied pursue I was
the best, the wisest, and-the mahliest that could the
adopted under the 'cirosnutences. •

Lord Tassel-It 'laid, that 'in proceeding to decide
upon the-question now betiire the Hoose, it would
bc necessary to go Lock to the commencement of
their proceedings. It was in the ,recolletlion of
Members 'that they had had'three separate adjourn-
ments upon-the nistind assertion of the Right Ho.
nourable Gentlemot (the Chancellor of the Ex.;
chequer), that no practical inconvenience! t0u1,,l
follow therefrom.r-it had been, said, that wt.,
der the act of appropriation, the warrant of the
Lords of the Treasury would be a sufficient -anillo.
Hi), for the Anditor of the Exchequer to at upon
the Auditorut the Exchequer however did not titiok.
it was so, and accordingly reskted it. Hue
did not the Right Honourable Gentleman adapt, iri
the first instance, a course that appeared so clear to
liiin,instead of having recourse to, the Privy s.ii ?
The At of William. proscribed that money should
find its way limn the Exchequer into the Trealuiy
.nary by.the sign-11181mA of the King; or by Aet Of
Parliament. 'Under these.eircurnstalices it WAS that
bii Noble Relation the Auditor of the xclacquerap.
plied to the Attorney and Solicitor Generals, to know
Whether the warrant of the Lords of the Treasury
was binding and legal ? and being intorined by thein
that it was not, hsd refused to obey it. lo what'
situatton did his„Nohle Relation timid himself He
found himself called upon to assist in the issuing of
money in a inatmer not authori,ed by law, Parlia-
ment being sitting. Thu course he detettoint4