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beyond the sum of 29,500/. a-year ? and looking at the present
situation of the country, and the-circumstances in which they
were placed, he was prepared to maintain that it ought not.
Under the circumstances of the country, it was his determination
therefore to oppose the grant of any additional allowance.
Mr. CALCRAFT addressed the House under
circumstances rendered doubly painful—first, from the nature
of the subject, and next from the necessity under which he
found himself of differing from thoseHonourable friends with whom
he usually acted. It was his opinion—and the whole was a matter
of opinion only—that no Member of the Royal Family could change
his situation from that of a younger brother to the condition of
Heir Presumptive to the Throne, without a vast change in his
habits of life and expenditure. They ought not to forget either,
that the Duke of York enjoyed a fortune infinitely larger than
that which they were now about to vote the Duke of Clarence,
and that the Princess Charlotte had, by an unanimous vote of the
House, received a grant of 50,0001. a year. As far too as the
matter was to be influenced by character, he might add that no
two individuals of their station bore a higher reputation, or were
more deserving of the approbation of the House. For these rea-
sons he would vote for the grant, and feeling that the country
must approve of the grant, unless the state of their distress per-
verted their understandings, he could not think he fulfilled his
duty unless he supported it by his vote.
Mr. FERGUSON was not known to many of the
Members of the House, but those who did know him could bear
witness that he was not likely to give a vote unless conscientiously
satisfied that lie could give it with propriety. He felt himself,
therefore, bound to declare, that he must vote for the present
grant, because convinced that the situation of his Royal Highness
was changed, and, that he could no longer remain in his present
retirement.

Mr. JOHN MARTIN said, that if the measure
was so popular as the Right Honourable Secretary (Mr. Peel),
and the Honourable Member below him (Mr. Calcraft), seemed to
imagine, he thought they could not do better than write another
letter to the Bishops, calling upon them to raise the money by
public contribution in the churches. (Loud laughter, and cries of
hear, hear.) For his part, he did not see the popularity or the
propriety of the grant, and he must, therefore, give it his decided
negative. (Hear.)
Mr. G. ROBINSON, although he usually voted
with his Majesty's Ministers, yet felt himself bound, under the pre-
sent circumstances of the country, to give his negative to the pre-
sent grant.

Mr. HUME then rose amid loud cries of question,
and stated, in explanation, that he had been asked by several of
his frie7.ds why he did not at once propose to negative the grant,
instead of deferring its consideration. The reason for the course
he had pursued was this—that by proposing to defer the grant
until another'opportunity, he hoped his Majesty's Ministers would
in the meantime see the propriety of withdrawing the proposition
altogether, and save them from the reproach of giving a negative
to a provision for a Member of the Royal Family. The Hon.
Member was proceeding to make some further observations, when
he was interrupted by loud cries of " Question."—Strangers
were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided—

For Mr. Hume's Amendment 65
Against it 167

Majority for the Grant 102
The House then resumed, and the Chairman, after reporting
progress, obtained leave to sit again on Monday next.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, that the Speaker leave the Chair, and that the
House resolve itself into a Committee of Supply on the Ordnance
Estimates,

Mr. MABERLY rose to oppose the Speaker's
leaving the Chair. He was induced to do so, principally for the
same reason that he had stated on a former evening, when the
Navy Estimates were brought before the House—namely, an un-
willingness to concur in voting any Estimates, until the House
were put in possession "of what were the probable resources of
the country, from which these Estimates were to be supplied.—
The receipts and expenditure should be laid before the House,
and an opportunity should be afforded of comparing them with
the amount of the estimated receipts and expenditure contained in
the statements of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. If this
amount was laid before the House, he apprehended that there
would be found a great defalcation, from the expectation of reduced
expenditure, which the Right Honourable Gentleman had, from
time to time, held out to the House and the Country. With a view
of ascertaining what comparison the real expenditure and income
of 1826 bore to the estimated one of the Chancellor of-the Ex-
chequer, he moved for an Account of the Net Public In-
come in the year ended the sth of January, 1827, after abating
the expenditure thereont, defrayed by the several Revenue De-
partments, and of the actual issues or payments within the same
period, exclusive of the sums applicable to the redemption of
funded property. Front that account, which had been since
printed, he observed a very great falling off from the prospect for-
merly held out to the country by the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
He regretted to say that there was so great a defalcation as from
3,000,0001. to 4,000,0001. The House would bear in mind,
that it was provided that there should be a sinking fund of
5,000,000/. of unredeemed funded debt, which, together with in-
terest on redeemed debt, the money in the hands of the Bank of
England to pay off 5 per Cents. gave an amount applied to the
redemption of the funded debt, of 5,621,231/. Now, in the ac-
count laid before the House, the following was the amount of the
Income and Expenditure:—
Net income paid into the Exchequer (total) £54,894 10 3
Net Expenditure (total)

Surplus of income over expenditure— £1,009 BOf
Now, although this was very much below the standard of com-
parison which, from the statements of the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer, the House might expect the expenditure to bear to the
income; yet, what he was now desirous of calling the attention of
the House to, was, that in this account the Sinking Fund was not
at all considered. There was, it was true, a balance of 1009/. of
income over expenditure ; but so far from this sum being a real
surplus of expenditure over income, that it must go towards the
further sum of 3 or 4,000,000/. which was requisite to make up
the charge of the Sinking Fund, which, as be had before estimated
was put down in a balance sheet at 5,621,2311. 6s. 2d. The next
point that presented itself to his attention on an inspection, was the
contribution towards funding 8,000,000 of Exchequer Bills, and
the money raised in the year, ended 1827, by the creation of Un-
funded Debt. And this, it should be borne in mind, was created
after the House had come to a resolution to diminish the Unfunded
Debt of the country —a wiser measure could not be adopted than
to abolish it altogether. He would now proceed to compare the
statement which the Right Honourable Gentleman made to the
House in March, 1826, with the results of the state of the Reve-
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the House from being misled in future, by any high promise which
might be held out to them ; and to guard, at present, against any
lavish expenditure, in the Estimates, which they might be now
called upon to vote, On the occasion to which he referred
(March, 1826) the Right Honourable Gentleman stated in his
place in that House—
The whole sum to he'received, during the present
year, would be £ 57,043,000
If from this sum be deducted the Expenditure,

amounting to " 56,328,421

There would remain to be dealt with a clear
surplus of
This surplus the Right Honourable Gentleman seemed to think
the House would have to dispose of in whatever manner it might
please ; but so far from there being such a surplus, notwithstand-
ing the appearance of a surplus of 1,009,4481., there was on the
face of the accounts themselves a defalcation of three or four
lions. He had already shewn, how an erroneous impression
might be taken from a statement of the printed account to which
he had referred, by the omission in that account altogether of the
Shaking Fund, and by its being transferred to a balance-sheet on
the back of the account. He would proceed to remark upon
further variance in the printed account now laid before the
House, and the items of charge as originally estimated in the
statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. In the statement
made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and in the charges in
the printed account, a considerable increase was to be found in
the latter under the following
heads of pspence •
Expenditure from the Chan- Expenditure according to the
cellor's Statement. Printed Account.
For the Interest and For the Interest and
Management of I Management of

the PUblicnehtl£27,ll7,lB6 the Pa1icDebt.£27,245,750
The Army .... ..... 7,747,000 The Army
Navy 6,135,000 Navy
The Hon. Member proceeded to advert to other items of charge,
all of which exhibited an increase beyond the estimated calculation
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. In the Ordnance Depart-
ment—the Civil List—the Miscellaneous charges, and, he might
indeed say, in every branch of the Revenue, there had been a
remarkable failure of the realization of the expectations of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. He knew it might be said, that
there was always supposed to be a variance between the estimates
at the commencement of the year, and the result of them, as ezhi -