Star.
London, England, 1808-01-28 00:00:00

RUSSIA AND AUSTRIA.

Lord HAWKESBURY presented copies of certain papers re-
specting Russia and Austria--(Published in the STAR of yester-
day.)

WPENUAGEN.
Lord HAWKESBUR Y gave notice that he shru'd move, to-
morrow, the 'Thanks of the House to the Army and Navy employ-
ed in the Expedition to Copenhagen.
The Duke of NORFOLK gave notice, that he should move to-
morrow se'nnight for certain papers respecting the Expedition to
Copenhagen.
Lord HAWKFSAURY wished to know more precisely the
object of the Noble Duke's intended motion.
The Duke of NORFOLK replied, that he would communicate
the object of the motion.

CVNATF.S' SI'SPENSION BILL.
The Bishop of OXFORD wished to call their
Lordships' attention to an Act that passed the Le-
gislature, at the close of the last Session, in his opi-
nion with too great hurry and precipitation. The act
to which he alluded was the one which suspended the
36th of George I. By the law, as it previously stood,
augmented cures, under Queen Anne's bounty, were
considered as benefices, and therefore subject to the
same restrictions. The act of the last Session went
to repeal this clause. Much inconvenience and in-
jury to the rights and dignity of the church had fol-
lowed. Many persons continued to possess themselves
of the emoluments of those benefices, who were le-
gally ousted ; whilst others, properly presented and
duly inducted, were prevented from the exercise of
their professional functions, and deprived of those
profits to which they were entitled in right of their
appointment. The Rev. Prelate, after a few other
preliminary observations, proceeded to move that a
bill for the repeal of the Curates' Suspension Bill be
then read a first time.

The LORD CHANCELLOR, having left the
woolsack, observed, that it was not his intention to
oppose the principle of the Bill proposed by the Re-
verend Prelate. He wished to remind him of the
peculiar way in which the House stood, with respect
to this Act of Suspension. At the dose of the last
Session it was sent up from the House of Commons,
merely as a measure of temporary relief to the persons
supposed to be aggrieved. It was then recommend-
ed
to pass the present act, confining its operation to
forty days after the commencement of the next Ses-
sion of Parliament. In that situation the House stood
as to the present bill, and he was only anxious to as-
certain whether the principle of the measure, and of
the relief sought, would better be discussed upon the
second reading of the bill proposed by the Reverend
Prelate, or upon any new question to be brought for-
ward on the expiration of the forty days.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE thought it highly
proper that the fullest time should be given to the per-
sons standing in the unfortunate predicament which
the act of the last Session went to relieve.
The Duke of NORFOLK expressed his inclina-
tion rather to support a farther suspension for forty
days, than that the persons seeking► relief should be
surprised by any premature hurrying of the present.
Bill.

It was then read a first time, and ordered for a se.
cond reading on Thursday se'nnight.

ARDTARS TN CetIICIL.
Lord HAWKESBURY presented the Orders in
Council.: -
•Lord AUCKLAND wished to know whether it
was the intention of Ministers to propose any measure
'fohnded upon these Orders, and then to state the pre-
Gist bbject of the Orders, and the circumstances at-
,.ten dirtg them, and also whether it was intended to
layore the House any further information upon
the subject ? At present he did not understand the
Orders, nor did he believe they were thoroughly un-
derstood any where. Some further information there-
fore appeared to be absolutely necessary for the pur-
pose of properly discussing the measure.
Lord HAWKESBURY said it was undoubtedly
the intention of his Majesty's Government to found
proceedings upon these Orders, but from the nature of
such proceedings, they must originate in the other
House. If such proposed measure should be there
agreed to, and the Bill come up in regular course to
that House, he should then feel it kis duty, on open-
ing the business, to state the objects of these Orders,
and the views with which they were issued ; but it
was not intended to bring forward any question upon
the subject in the mean time.
Lord HOLLAND observed, that the Noble Se-
cretary of State had been so good as to present the
House with translations of the Papers previou.sly pre-
sented, and he thought from the unintelligibility of
these Orders in Council, it was at least equally neces-
sary that there should be also a translation of them.
Was he, however, to understand that no explanation
of these Orders was to be given to the House ?
Lord HAWKESBURY repeated, that the mea-
sure intended to be proposed, must originate in the
other House ; it was not intended by Ministers to
originate any question upon the subject in that House
in the mean time. _ _

Lord AUCKLAND repeated that some further
information was absolutely necessary ; at present the
conduct of the powers at war with respect to com-
merce, appeared to him to be like that of madmen
fighting in a room, merely for the purpose of seeing
who should be knocked down first ; or, like a man in
the North of England, sitting on a stone, and cry-
ing, " Here I'll starve till you do me justice." Ano-
ther instance also, he recollected reading, where se-
veral men being met together, one gave himself a
deep gash with a knife, and then gave the knife to
another, and the man who refused to give himself a
gash was deemed infamous. It was in this light that
he viewed the Orders in Council, and the circum-
stances attending them. He was convinced that these
orders were neither understood in this country nor in
foreign states, which was an additional reason for
producing further information. One Paper he thought
necessary, was the Declaration made by his Noble
Colleague and himself, in the American negotiation,
to the American Plenipotentiaries, respecting the
French Decree against neutral commerce, and which
appeared to be the foundation of the Orders in Coun-
cil,. He also thought that the French Decree itself,
to ;vhich the orders referred, should be laid before
the House, if, as he supposed was the case, Ministers
had an official .copy of it. His Lordship concluded
by moving for the first-mentioned Paper, stating,
however, that he would withdraw the Motion, if any
time was wished for to consider it.

Lord HAWKESBURY had no objection to the
production of the Note delivered to the American
Plenipotentiaries as to the substance of it, but he did
not at present know how far it might be proper in
point of form, as it was connected with proceedings
relative to the negociation of a treaty with America,
which he had not received his Majesty's commands
to lay before the House. As to the French decree,
there wasnot, he believed, any official copy, namely,
a copy received through the medium of an accredted
Minute. The principal channel of information re-
specting acts of the French Government, as the late
Ministers must be perfectly aware, was the official pa-
per of that Government.
Lord HOLLAND thought, that though there was
no official copy of the French decree, yet there might
be some document received officially from the Mini-
ster of a neutral power, containing an explanation
given by the French Government, as to the objects of
its decree, and the intended mode of carrying it into
effect. He wished to know whether there existed such
a document ?

Earl BATHURST said, there was no official
communication upon the subject. He denied that
the Orders in Council would have the effect inferred
by the Noble Lord (Auckland), or had any such ten-
dency—their object was of a very contrary nature.
Lord GRENVILLE said, what had been urged
by the Noble Earl was an additional reason achy fur-
ther information should be laid before the House, not
only with a view to the discussion of a measure of
such importance, but that the Orders in Council
might be understood. He was not wholly unversed
►n such subjects, but with all the attend= he could
give them, he could not thoroughly understand their
meaning or object. It could not be supposed that it
was the object of those who framed them totally to
destrorthe commerce of this country, and yet, on
reading over the Orders it would be difficult to dis-
cover that any other elect could be produced from
them than the total destruction of that commerce.—
Were they to understand that, with a subject of this
immense magnitude before them, they were to wait
for three or four weeks until they received their lessou
from the other House, before they obtained any fur-
ther information, and before Ministers explained to
that House what their intentions and views were
in advising the issuing of such.orders ? Were they to
understand that Ministers, after advising Orders in
Council, which were a violation of the law of the
land ; after giving advice to the Crown, which no
Ministers had ventured to give since the reign of
James the Second ; when that Monarch was advised
that he had a power to dispense with the laws of the
country—after doing what was a gross and flagrant
violation of the law of nations, and of the municipal
law, were they-to understand that Ministers did not
intend to come to' Parliament for indemnity, or to
explain the motives and reasons of their conduct? He
thought that not an instant should be lost in obtain-
ingfulLinforrnation, and coming to the discussion of
theineiaure.
Lora: HAWKESBURY said, that there might
have heti, in some instances, connected with the Or-
: dere in Council, a.literal violation of law, but the
,Orders themselves, in their great objeets and views,
Were nehlitra violation 'of the law of nations, nor
tlit.tnunicipal law of the land. As to any question

of indemnity, if any
should be thought
the reasons for asking it would be stated
of proposing it. It. was, however,
Noble Lord Fto bring forward a q
subject, which would be met by his ,
nisters.
Lord AUCKLAND adverted to some
the Orders, upon which he particularly
further information. He particulari6ed
tions respecting the trade of Guernsey
those relating to the trade with
and the trade allowed to neutrals
lonies, in which a trade appeared
them, whids they had not in time
Lord BATHURST entered int
Lion of the Orders of Council,
which Government was actuated.
lished for the purpose of facilitatir
troying, the intercourse with the
that sonic difficulties arose with
posing of duties at Gibraltar at
respect 'to the trade of neutrals wi
the object was to grant the Amer,,
clulgence as possible, consistent
in view.
Lord HOLLAND thought.
(Hawkesbury) had treated very ligt
violation of the law. He repeated ,
respect to the existence of any documi
he before alluded to, observing
stood some explanation of the Ft
given to General Armstrong, au
at Paris.

No answer being given,
Lord GRENVILLE urged
and asked whether it was to be
nisters refused to give any info
point ?-
Lord HAWKESBU RY said,
munication had been received in t
by the Noble Lord.
Lord ROLLAND gave noti
bring forward a motion so frai
whether such a document raiz
agreed to by the House.
The motion was withdrawn.
Adjourned till to-morrow (this

HOME OF COM:
Mr. ROSE gave notice, that he shoul
the House do resolve itself into a (
House,to consider of the propriety of
Intercourse Act.

The following Petitions were given
tiered to be taken ir.to consideration on
to each :

Saltash—Right—on the same day as
Bridgwater
Westminster (Petitian of R. B. Sheridan,
Christchurch
Dungarvon
Newry

EALTASII PETIT!

Mr. SWAN then moved, agreeably
present fixed for taking into consideration
from the Borough of Saltash *should be
giving the priority tu thepetitions as tt
borough over the petitions complaining
Even had this been an insulated case,
been able to convince the House of the
asked ; fortified, however, as he was:
entertain. a doubt on the subject.
After a few words frum Mr. BANKES
Sir JOHN :NEWPORT, the Order for '
the Petitions complaini►ig of a double 1...
Saltash, on the ltd February, was discharged,
for Thursday, the 25th February.

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