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THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 26, 1845.

theroselves.—(Hear.)
Now, his Hon. Friend had stated that
children of nine years of age were required to emigrate to the
West Indies. That was not the case. Children of nine years
of age were retained in Sierra Leone in the schools until they
were twelve years old ; and then, if they chose to emigrate—
and every one who knew the African race would know
.
hat in those three years they would be sufficiently matured
Obe allowed an opinion. And then the persons who took
hem out were bound to send them regularly to the schools,
and to have them taken to the church on Sundays. The
11 n. Gentlemen read several extracts from the proceedings
of the Church Missionary Society, of which his Hon. Friend(., R. H. Inglis) was a leading member, to show that the
education of the young negroes in Jamaica was in a most fa-
vourable state. The adults who did not choose to emigrate
°Caine." employment amongst the agriculturists at Sierra
"le ; but their condition was very inferior to
that of their free brethren in Jamaica. (Hear-
The Hon. and Learned Member then said he would call she
attention of the House to certain Government returns and
!her papers and letters issued in the year 1843, and having
"ad extracts from them, he contended that they p oved be-
yond all doubt that nothing could exceed the rapidity with
e.a
which edution had advanced in Trinidad. By the same
shapers he conceived it was quite apparent that emigration to
fie 'West Indies from Sierra Leone had gone on successfully
and Should be encouraged ; for the returns before him proved
that in Jamaica there was a very large preponderance of females
,°t'r males ; that in Dominica it was the same ; in Triniciell
the same ; and in Java, at George Town, the same facts ap-
plied to the relative numbers of the male and female
?ulatim The Henourable Member opposite had made
rnasion to the orionnance that had been issued by the Govern-
(sint upon the subject in regard to the Mauritius ; but he
e r• Hoe) believed that a copy of that ordonnance had been
'fteieed here this morning, and therefore he had no means of
teertaining whether it had been enforced or not. The Hon.
',ember concluded by saying, it was his (pinion that the
t„°,l4 of the West Indies should be educated. (The above is
G"': an Imperfect outline of what the Hon. Member said, for,
htits°,l,i_t Co his having stood, all the time he was speaking, with
rels to the gallery, and speaking in a low tone, only a
°r two he said in each sentence could be heard.)
taii‘fr. It•GLIONBY said it would be impossible for him to
.I°‘" the Hon. Member, the Under Secretary, in all the
7atettnents he had read, or to have had any of the information
ti'itehieh the Hon. Member had access ; but he was glad that
ee°,.seePapers had been produced and read, because they con-
iro infornaation important not only to the best interests of
AarmanitY, but also to the interests of the inhabitants of the
lioest Indies. He was one of those who had objected to the
ei,Z.s.e granting any loan or grant for the purpose of emar.-
-..:10g slaves, for he did not think such ought to have been
InVplarY ; and he would not have alluded to it, or to those
the--,„eat all, but for what the Under Secretary had said upon
eile,uleet. With regard to what the Hon. Member had
Voiedaurt emieration from Sierra Leone, he (Mr. Aglionby)
but - 'e• glacCto hear a fuller statement upon that subject ;
Age:fikether the Hon. Member should give it or not, he (Mr.
Shatl4lll) begged to say that there was a strong feeling abroad
4.04 the missionaries to Sierra Leone and other countries had
thateimuch mischief. As to the missionaries to New Zealand,
4ad Proved most injurious, for it had produced persecution
eall'ireit end, had materially retarded civilisation in that
etieel/ttY, and created great excitement amongst the abort-
lt° He mentioned this subject now with a view
'ke 74'ing attention to it, and to hope that some
11141,-„*.tY 'would be made into the principle upon which those
ete,jhstlarY Societies were founded. He had beard of. cir-
thei; letters being sent to Members of Parliament, having for
against to deter those gentlemen from taking any part
lee%tea. that Society's proceedings in regard to the
his
lea. He then read a copy of the circular, and said his.° -
the Thaddon so was, to show (those how misled
Y. been in reference to Church Missionary
Societies.—( Hear.)
LI said a few words in explanation.
Ito
SANDON said he conceived that the Honourable
ber opposite had introduced a matter into the question
et:e tho House, which bad no relevancy whatever to it,
elbY, the Church Missionary Society; and the Hon.
half appeared appeared so anxious to do it, that he had gone off at
last:e°ca, on a hair-trigger.—(Laughter.) He would beg to
tn4srte the Hon. Member that the Church Missionary Society
hiterflialre been misrepresented, for that body did not at all
inere the manner described with the natives of those
The Noble Lord concluded with expressing a hope
tha.t.l-11.e Motion of the Right Hon. Member for the University
pford would be acceded to by the Government. .
poiall• HUTT, having been a member of the Committee
.ap-
eeteV to inquire into the subject of negro emancipation,
acelsinot avoid the opportunity of saying a few words on that
taeuu Right
He had listened with great attention to the speech
'`ght Hon. Baronet, as well as to On.", or two state-
ade by the Under-Secretary for the Colonies, but it
ishie„-is'e" to him there had been no facts brought forward
th -Re" °ad not been reviously considered by the Noble Lord
loweareretary for the Colonies. The Government had fol-
eCt out the recommendatioos made in the report
too the Committee alluded to ; and though he did
110 usually support their views, he felt bound to
so
Kew on that occasion. The policy they were now
grettlg . was an exceeding wise one, and e only re
-
o it had not been adopted earlier. The Right H. on.
tr 4 net had stated his views with considerable moderation and
/P 44
:e and he wished some Hon. Gentleman who possessed
'filL—Tos would follow his example. It certainly appeared
toad
many f the statemeats brought forwaid by the
atfolil7 whom- het referred, and he might allude to the
'eel' Lord the Secretary himself, were wanting in the
Let, g°f moderation and temper evinced by the Right Hon.
Newd For his own part he was conscious, if the Government
eetneee4l7 Pursue the course they had already so successfully
kite ie heed, they would improve the condition of the colonies, and
the social compact of the emancipated Africans. T.hey
tett," West Indies a heavy debt, and the only means of on-
w'Cade their condition was for the Government to proceed
ets forward in their present course, and then they would
11144 • •
uhtt additional satisfaction of throwing open to the British
e tras ater an extended colonial market. If they did this
,11111 of Persuaded that the dream of Wilberforce, Clarkson,
1-;;Ni alp- Philanthropists,. would ere long be realised. By
teefitet:ti, ample opportunities for emigration to the West
• t+,."e system of slavery which had hitherto resisted
.all
[he be in the United States, Mexico and the Brazils,
"le eo entirely overthrown. He was satisfied of this, because
eriwioniZse_he recommended would afford the only means to the
Old the" underselling the Skates he had mentioned.
.Th.ey
&Ike wi:Ls put down African slavery without collision oi vio-
Oro, an other wer and all this would undoubtedly be
utili;4"edyif the Government were disposed honestly and
tepi.•'° Carry out their present course. They had increased
o
bourse of colonial sugar, and thereby given an impetus
ie'tinhile the course pursued on the other hand was only
ile h4O;,-
fed,
to encourage the exhibitions made at Exeter Hall.
Zs. rteu, ;therefore, the Government would maintain their
-41e4sep-poPelieYi and they might rely on his strenuous and cor-
Af. rt.
kkati STUART WORTLEY could see nothing in the
ite' 'Pr °,f, the Right Honourable Gentleman the Mem-
Whe'fil°e University of Oxford, to justify the rhapsody
ylt tr,°°. Gentleman who had just sat down against slavery.
ou, prentlexion there was between the speech of his Right
'see 'end and Exeter-hall, he was quite at a loss to dig-
! D.At all events, any one who bad listened to the speech
I,7rvetio,wilt. Hon. Friend,wo.uld.agree with him that no ob-
Zee hieh fell from his lips Justified the attack which had
te-Ith• ene upon that place by the Hon. Member who had last
Feeel4l the House. It appeared to him that the Hon. Gen-
iieed ad Misinterpreted the observations of his Right Hon.
esaoe'. the Member for the University of Oxford. The
able Gentleman seemed to think that the mo-
t:pen-as brought forward with the view of prr-i
rea t '
pone of the objectionable proceedings which
"dertt;;`° place in the West Indies. how, he did not
leteoat toind that his Hon. Friend made use of any such argu-
L.n. p Justify his motion. But this he understood, that his
471, lieernien. d brought it forward because he thought a change
vh_ovei introduced into the regulations relating to the r..e-
14shos-the negro population from one place to another which
e, consistent with justice. His Hon. Friend
.was, diere-
'hotl'4'etlY justified in proceeding with his motion, and he
cFaits;thina there had been any very serious objection urged
Ifihiltfti)t. It naa desired upon all hands that those regulations
I;;.faree e 4,made aa effective as possible, so long as they remained.
he (Nes 'ion as to whether they should be continued
tra' '4„--r•matt L.
-Rut if they were to give the African the
nlilt:lß'euitetrieeisie;ro.ptiOn, i.t.
sbehoved the House to see that
leott th las :were established as would secure its exercise.
Si eh • Fri,,,,e object of his Hon. Ind's motion ? Why, his
moved for papers whim.'certainly introduced
tad
if Q1%41,111_4 the regulations respecting this option; and no
do se do :sorry that he had brought his ma tio.frard • for
ve satis'fac-
k7: they,ex_ril!ests, when produced, should. not p.:l . c_
tee mtd. ee,'lnd have an opportunity of placing the
.opti...•`u""'
fr. to doer " hat Was the real stae of the case with respet-4 to
thltta 1.01.41/lents So long agoras the year 1841, a dispatch
th:eolol.in °lt Russell, who was then Secretary of State for
the' ernjgr,:t announced that the time had arrived for assisting
tetitiefere-4°° of negroes to the West Indies ; and therefore
44,0 r must
support himself, either by removing to the in-
411tkore his labour might be made available, or, taking
sliteett io,e'sf the other alternative, of emigrating to the
eike4tehi "tia colonies. It was acquired by the same
tif tiweelts the negro should pronounce his option within
tht roe Lei! ter he had obtained his freedom ; but this period
ta:e trequ.gennsidered too long it was subsequently reduced to
stl;ake u If at the expiration of this time the negro failed.
iret)oy.his mind, his allowance was discontinued. Now it
ea"seee uffile
arma houses(
fro,. suppose that a negro, immediately after his
ehelinseit• e's the slave ship, could be in. a condition to sup-
klttngrate 4_l° the colony where he obtained his freedom, or
itte kree "' any distant part of the world ; and he did think
‘,44,43. additional assistance ought to be afforded to the
NA; Its With
regard to the motion, he would say but one
eetaluf? to.
•"fect aPpeared to be to ascertain if the
and
ed o the removal of negroes was fairly properly
kr tit
'91U141 • MAN
the tti lead t?LES said the speech of the Hon. Gentleman
tie etei,4 ne to suppose that he could hardly have heard
kel' We by the Hon. Member for Gateshead. The
Rhiat to uer, instead of opposing the motion, spoke in the
tity`t,fiethe-rPeof commendation of the tone and manner. in
TheOzr 'AIM Hon. Baronet, the Member for the Univer-
tll non. Z`n had brought the subject before the House.
tot q,..ernher, moreover, had expressed his earnest wish
O ',Pr
00,1: (Nir• nment might succeed in their present policy,
144Wer f Wortley) could hardly understand how the Hon.
theye deliverol the 'West Riding could object to the spirit or
hetoiketY of the Hen. Member's speech. He thought
thatty in et_tticover the interference of the Church Missionary
elle •%oeie, fils motion. He had himself been a member of
Yyash,ad st'me years and he had found that, generally,
fere h• eh 1. touch good There were however, occasions
--ce• thought they exhibited an undue' degree of inter-
stowr T.
1). Ar,
h..rn e, `-K LAND next addressed the House. We under-
l'rnlY to defend the proceedings of the Church
althorquK society, with which he was proud to be connected.
trisee'4%li it e llte Niger expedition, he contended that,
11,4 b to 4.4,1 1 been attended with misfortune, yet it had done
trelteeo bee nee' the interests of this country in Africa than
hn... be. ore
aes'omplishedin centuries, and he believed that
the fients
e III:. Yet result from' it. Although the
..was very great, yet, in the same year of
f_eh equal mortality occurred in a regimen
ft etklehted 'the
West Indies. This country was
thatr "ir Th to the a scertions of his lamented
Zehtly °Mies Buxton, .esnm God had been pleased
trekt °use remove • and 1 thought that no man in
filet 'rash wuld need oo
co
to which that
the e'Y bet as entitled.
With respect to .
,ab,
tee_
tnore the Boos the motion imme-
-141 ,tir,"°o !ndation e, he would say thaf he concurred in
the eillained from the report on this subjcet, make. free
Meter West
the
the other side of the Atlantic. available
Wit;
, after thleg He never could understand why the
Itjthuehessi,ted e use of slave labour was denied him, *bouts{
l'os,h. Ilon In obtaining the use of free labour. He thought,
t'''heleleire' that' tlPiirie" the Member for the West Riding of
appojen, he was only a question of regulation. In
,tie ',tat-lent
.expressed_the satisfaction which he felt at. the. ,041.1isvevids
tßvilati ,iontii,Snaiertria;
(.4/1..
rbio..or three Leone, of men of colour to office, and
natives
the Bishop of London had lately or-
l'otsteh .t.le.epera.aa rves of Africa.
ied ere atismonarni.!: said he had lone. been a member of the
'elided aced 'society, and he believed that that Society
an, Aqt e2t society, .
mii-NesoPeyet t
ewlth,tand 0. gas viherever their labours had ex-
o ninbdutle*intauternfetroeftectel7 Hon. Member °pp°,
aeflrlaaborers'ortSheexehlained. He had the greate:.! respect
4ka Le, eittw
rwe!if urch Missionary Soeiety.
opts,
from Mr. HOPE in explanation, and Sir
tie •
Potuia was aimed to.

COLONY OF HONG-KONG.
Dr. BOWRING said he was about to ask for some informa-
tion from her Majesty's Government, which was well entitled
to the attention of the House—he referred to same proceedings
which bad taken place in Hong-Kong, and although he knew
it was difficult to find a person to manage their interests in
China as they were managed by Sir H. Pottinger, whose bril-
liant administration exposed his successor to the danger of a
disadvantageous contrast ; it was at the same time the universal
wi,.h that all the proceedings in that quarter should be charac-
terised by prudence and wisdom. It was of the utmost im-
portance that no impres4ion unfavourable to the British rep s-
tation should be made on the minds of the residents. A posi-
tion had been taken up by the Governor in Council, from which
he was obliged to retire. He referred torn ordinance of the 21st
Aug., 1t44, which, however, appeared not to be promulgated till
two months after date, so that the Governor in Council had time
to consider its effect. It stated that, for the purpose of secur-
ing order and tranquillity in Hong-Kong and its dependencies,
the ordinance was published, but the immediate effect of it was
to create confusion, and to lead to an outbreak. It not only
referred to Hong-Kong but to its dependencies ; but what the
dependencies of Hong-Kong were he did not know. The ordi-
nance stated that all the inhabitants, of the age cf twenty-eight
and upwards, were to appear at the registrar's office, where the
following particulars were exacted from them, which, if even
bearable by the English residents there, would be perfectly
intolerable and impossible of execution to those educated in
oriental ideas. They were required to come to the regis-
trar-general's office, t. here the age, and birth, and place of
residence of every person were to be registered. 'I hay were to
state the date of their arrival, what the circumstances of their
family were, and those of their connexion, with places of re.,i-
dence, what their e -nployment was, is he ther they were male or
female, married or single. What would be the feelings of per-
sons in England if they were subjected to such an inquisition,
and if they would be indignant at it, he asked them to con-
sider the feelii gs of persons accustomed to oriental habits.
When, some years ago, Mehemet Ali attempted to get at the
population of Cairo, he was every where met with so much
opposition, that he was obliged to give up the attempt. If
the difficulties to be met with in Egypt were so great, they
would be still greater in Hong-Kong. The consequences of
this ordinance was, that 3,000 of the inhabitants left the
colony. The Bazaar was in a state of great commotion. All
public works were suspended, and the markets of % ie-
toria Town were deserted. Every head man was re-
sponsible for every coolie he bad under him, and
arbitrary punishment might be inflicted on any person
who came to the colony and did not report himself
within twenty-four hours. Every overseer was also responsi-
ble for the inhabitants of the village in which he resided.
Any person who had a property of not less than ten dollars per
month had to pay one dollar for registration. It was no wonder
then that the appearance of such a document should have
created a great sensation in the colony. Meetings of the com-
mercial men were held en the subject, resolutions were passed,
and a remonstrance was made to the Governor in Council,
who stated, in a second answer which he made, that he was
surprised at the repetition of the statements contained in the
first letter, which had already met with the strong reprobation
of the Governor in Council, and the Governor in Council would
in future abstain from paying the smallest attention to their re-
presentations. Now he would ask whether it was right that such
a state of things should be continued ? He thought that it
ought to be rectified at once, that such a stigma might not
rest on the English character. The Hon. and Learned Member
concluded by making the motion of which he had given notice.
Mr. G. W. HOPE opposed: the motion on the ground
that the Government had not received any communication on
the subject.
Sir J. STAUNTON opposed the motion on the ground of
its being premature.
Dr. BOWRING said he did not understand that it was
intended to refuse the ultimate production of the docu-
ments for which he had moved. He would, for the present,
withdraw the motion, reserving to himself the right to rein-
troduce it when all the documents were in the hands of the
Government. _ _

The motion was then withdrawn.
MEDICAL REFORM BILL.
Colonel WOOD -.presented a petition from medical practi-
tioners at Kensington, praying for some summary mode of
convicting unlicensed practitioners; also complaining that the
appointment of a Council of Health, without including a single
representative of the general practitioners, was most unjust.
On rising to move for leave to bring in a Bill for the better
regulation of medical practice throughout the United Kingdom,
Sir J. GRAHAM said he hoped that before he sat down he
should convince his Honourable Friend, who had just
presented a petition, that that petition had no reference
to the Bill immediately under consideration. He should not
feel it his duty to make any elaborate statement with reference
to the measure; but, considering the great importance of the
subject, and the excited state of public feeling, he would at
once candidly bring under the consideration of the House and
the public, the alterations which he proposed to make in the
Bill introduced last session. The House would remember that
when he introduced the Bill towards the close of last session,
he stated that, considering the great public interests involved
in the measure which he proposed, and the manner in which it
affected both the public and one of the most useful
and learned professions, hasty legislation would be most
imprudent, and that he should act most fairly towards the pro-
fession, and best consult the interests of the public, by
laying, at the close of the session, the precise measure which
he proposed on the table of the House, for the purpose of
securing that it would undergo general discussion. The fair-
ness of that course could not, h thought, be denied even by
those who were opposed to the measure, and its usefulness was
equally evident. The measure had been amply discussed, and
he was now about to state shortly to the House what
had been the result of the discussion, as regarded
the amendment of the measure which it was his duty to pro-
pose. He would now briefly recapitulate the leading objects of
the measure—objects which would, he thought, form the basis
of arty measure which might be introduced on that subject.
The first object of the measure to which he adhered was the
establishment in thin country of a council of health, which
should exercise general superintendence and control over me-
dical and surgical education throughout the United King-
dom, to consist of a board in the metropolis, of easy, and
therefore, as he thought, of useful access to the Execu-
tive Government, on all those great questions affecting
the health of the people which must, from time to time,
necessarily arise and claim serious consideration. His object
was, that in cases of sudden epidemic, and with respect to
measures which it might be necessary to adopt on the authority
of the Executive Gorernment, with reference to the health of
large cities, and generally in all cases affecting the public
health, a council, easy ef access, should exist, which might be
consulted by the Executive Government of the country.
That was the first object. The second object which he had in
view was to secure that all medical practitioners should have
equal facilities of practice throughout the United Kingdom ;
and also, that with that equality, as'. regarded prac-
tice, there should be, on behalf of the public,
security for the possession on the part of practitioners of an
equality of attainments. The third object was, that those at-
tainments being secured by examination, and the standard
being kept uniform, there should be a registration which should
give to the public notice that the practitioners so registered,
having undergone examination, had come up to the required
standard; and that notoriety being in possession of the public,
he proposed that public medical offices, for the encouragement
of medical practitioners, should be given only to such medical
practitioners as had been duly registered, and that
by law no title to practice should be given
to those who had not undergone the examination.
This was a short recapitulation of the leading objects of the
measure. Such were the objects secured by the measure
which he had the honour of introducing at the close of last
session. To those objects he adhered, and those objects
would, he believed, be attained by the Bill which he now
asked permission to introduce. Having recapitulated the
leading objects of the measure, it now became him to state
shortly in detail the alterations which he proposed to in-
troduce into the measure. Last session he ventured to pro-
pose the entire repeal of the statute of Henry VIII., which
gave to members of the Royal College of Physicians and
surgeons the exclusive right of practising in the metropolis and
within seven miles round. On the present occasion he did
not propose the entire repeal of that statute, but he proposed
its repeal absolutely and entirely with reference to all practi-
tioners registered under the Bill. He proposed, however, to
insert a clause exempting the Universities of Oxford and
Cambridge from the operation of the Bill.—(Hear, hear, from
some Hon. Members on the Opposition benches.) He
thought the Hon. Gentlemen did not exactly understand the
effect of that exemption. The effect of it would be to exclude
the physicians obtaining their degree at Oxford or Cambridge
from the advantage of practising in the metropolis and
within seven miles round, unless they became con-
senting parties to, and came within the operation of
the Act. Oxford and Cambridge were at present somewhat
jealous of the measure; they did not, as at present advised,
consent to conic under the operation of the Act. He pro-
'od,p then, to insert a clause, the effect of which would be
those universities in the full enjoyment of the privilege
iOleave-
of granting :t egrees to medical men, and conferring on them
• in all parts of England and Wales, ex-
the right of practL"lg
cept the metro seven miles round. He hoped, how.
polis ant:
ever, that before the Bill weii! into Committee, an arrange-
ment might be made between !hose two learned bodies
and the Metropolitan College of Physicians, which would
supersede the necessity for this exempting clause. The
arrangement would, he expected, be this, that assessors should
go down fr om the body of physicians in London to Cambridge
and Oxford, and that :the same diploma which, being granted
by the university, gave the right of practice elsewhere, shoeld,
by this arrangement, also confer the right of practice else..
where. He should then propose the withdrawment of the ex-
empting clause in Committee; an arrangement being made
with respect to the uninesities of Oxford and Cambridge
similar to the arrangement with the other learsied bodies of
Scotland and Ireland. He now came to the questions more
immediately raised on the petition presented by his Hon. and
Gallant Friend, namely, the question of the repeal of the
Apothecaries' Act. Now he had come to the opinion
that it would not be expedient to propose the
total repeal of the Apothecaries' Act.—( Hear, hear. )
It was his intention to propose to the House to repeal the
Apothecaries' Act only so far as the parties registered under his
Bill were concerned. The effect of this partial repeal of the
Act would be this. Complaints were made against his Bill of
last session that he provided by it ne sufficient security against
empirical practice, and that, not satisfied with this, he in addi-
tion proposed to remove all the existing penalties against such
practice. He did not attach much value to these penalties, but
still the effect of this partial repeal of the Apothecaries Act
would be this, that it left these penalties untouched in the
entire form in which they at present existed. Ile should also
propose an additional security, one which he thought was
quite justifiable and consistent with sound principle. He should
propose that no person, not possessing the proper qualification,
and not coming up to the requisite standard, should venture to
practise medicine without subjecting himself always to the
risk of the criminal prosecution to which any one was still
liable by the general operation of the law for pretends
ing to be that which he was not. He could not see
why an attempt to carry such art enactment should be objected
to. He would here mention that this system of a registration
of medical practitioners had been attempted in the United
States, and had boen attended with very good effect. By this
Bill he 'reposed that any person who should call or declare
himself, or assume the title or designation of a physician, sur-
geon, apothecary, or doctor, or any other tide recognised by
this Bill, should be liable to prosecution. But, in reference
to this part of the measure, perhaps the best course would be
to read this clause of the bill to the House.
It was this : " Every unregistered person who
should falsely pretend to be, or take or use any
name, or title of physician, doctor, bachelor, of
the faculty of medicine, or surgeon, or licentiate of medicine,
or apothecary, or any other name or title recognised as that of
a medical or surgical practitioner, should be guilty of a mis-
demeanor, and be punishable by such fine or imprisonment,
or both, as the court before which he should be convicted
should award," He had thought it necessary to give y the
public this protection against empirical practice of the sciesic-e
of medicine. He slsoeld propose, also, to repeal a portion of
the Apothecaries' Act, seferrssiss to the office of examiners for
medical qualifications ; by the Bill of last session it
was inatf,e necessary that in England physicians should be
the examiners for the degree of licentiates in medicine. Ai,
present it was necessary that in England the examiners' Should
be members of the civic guild of the City of London. To this
guild admission could now, in point of fact, be ob4ined by
nurcbase, by inheritanea, and by election ; there was no co-
, save that the examiners must
hition attzta,,,ist to the functions
belong to this civic gu '' Now he proposed that, io fissure,
-
t„..e examiners should be apothecs.7 of
ter.
or licentiates of medicine for the same time; tie ....
that, after the lapse of ten years, they might be admitted as

examiners under another name, that of general practitioners.
He came now to another alteration, which was one to which
he attached great importance. He earnestly desired that the
first entrance to the medical profession should be by oneexami-
nation, common to all, and that, after this first examination,
the practice of the science should be open and common to all
who should havepassed this portal. But one objection had been
made to this principle, which, he must say, appeared reasonable,
and was indeed insuperable. Physicians had always strongly,
and, as it appeared to him, rightly, attached great importance
to an university education, whether that education was re-
ceived in ooe of our domestic or in a foreign university. At
present they enforced an examination before a general tri-
bunal ; that examination was an early one, and that early ex-
amination was made before ageneral tribunal, that examination
not being inconsistent with the long study and education neces-
sary to the accomplished physician. Some difficulty had been
felt as to the limitation of the ace before which such examina-
tion for physicians should be undergone; he did not
think, on the whole, thirty-six would be too late a period of
life. But with respect to surgeons, he thought the objec-
tion on this point would not apply. An university education
did not form so invariably, or by any means so frequently,
a part of the medical education even of the most accom-
plished surgeons ; this objection, therefore, did not apply to
them, and he ha i the satisfaction of saying, that, as far as
the inquiries he had made went, there would not be on this
subject any objection en the part of the College of Surgeons
to a proposal which he thought would be a great improve-
ment on the Bill of last smsion. Ile proposed that no persons
should, under this Bill, be qualified to act as surgeons, unless
they had previously been examined as a licenciate in surgery.
There was also a provision in the Bill which appeared to be
a departure from this principle of uniform examination ; the
difference, however, was more in appearance than
reality. It was in the proposal to which he attached
considerable importance that there should be an examination in
midwifery, in addition to that of medicine and surgery. lie
proposed that the council of health should be, by a provision of
the Act, empowered to examine general practitioners for all
three parts of the United Kingdom, in midwifery alto, those
practitioners to be distinguished on the registry by a mark
against their names, denoting that they had passed this
examination. Now, his Hon. Friend the Member for Middle-
sex had just presented a petition, in which a request was made
that medical practitioners should be incorporated. He had
given his most anxious consideration to this subject, and at all
events he did not wish to preclude himself by any stipulation
on the subject, from adopting that suggestion till the pro-
fession at large should have had an opportunity of considering
the measure.—(Hear, hear.) There was another important
alteration he wished to propose to the House. He had last
year proposed to repeal the Apothecaries' Act, and entirely to
obliterate it. But he bad now departed from that intention,
and would not totally repeal that enactment. A separation which
he should have deeply regretted, between the general practitioner
and the College of Surgeons, might have been, in some de-
gree at least, apprehended as a consequences of his measure of
last session. He thought he had modified his measure, in this
respect, in a very important degree. He proposed that no
person should be qualified to practice as a surgeon without pre-
viously passing an examination as a licentiate of surgery.
He would not now anticipate the discussion that would cer-
tainly arise on the question of new charters to Medical Corpo-
rations. But it had been thought necessary to introduce into
the College of Surgeons, for the first time, a peculiar order
which existed in every other medical college in Eng-
land, Scotland, and Ireland, without exception—
namely, the order of Fellows of that College.—( Hear. )
It had been thought necessary to create this order, as the con-
stituent body of the elective council of the College.—( Hear,
hear.) He was not now arguing the question—he was only
stating the difficulties that in the change would have to be
overcome, but, if they were surmounted, and the connexion
between the College of Surgeons and the general practitioners
preserved,he was convinced that this latter class would become
more noble and more useful than it had been at any ante-
cedent period. Now, reserving to himself a full right of con-
sidering the policy of advising the Crown to grant charters of
incorporation, he confessed he should be driven to give that
advice with the greatest possible reluctance, were he
not anxious to sustain the character, the standing, and
position of the general practitioners. He thought they were
the most useful body of men in the community.—( Hear. )
In large cities, where great numbers of people were congre-
gated, a division of labour was not only possible in the profes-
sion, but led to excellence, to increased skill, and greater re-
muneration. In cities, therefore, it was possible to divide the
medical profession into the physician, the surgeon, and the
general practitioner, and this division bad actually arisen from
the force of circumstances. But dealing, as it was his duty to
do, with the interest of the entire community, he could not
dissemble from himself the fact, that the great body of the
poorer population, covering the greater area of the kingdom,
must look to the general practitioner for assistance, and he
thought it was his first duty to the public to do all in his power
to uphold the character and position of the general practitioner.
He now sincerely stated that he entertained the greatest doubt
whether it would be for their advantage, and for the honour
and dignity of the profession, that they should be separated
from the College of Surgeons; and he entertained the san-
guine hope of connecting the general practitioner with the
College of Surgeons. He was most anxious that the altera-
tions which he tendered in the most conciliatory spirit, might
meet with the wishes of the general practitioners, whose opi-
nions he was most anxious to obtain. He had given the whole
subject his most serious consideration, and the changes he pro-
puled were the result of it. He considered it indispensably
necessary for the whole profession, that the body of the several
practitioners should be connected with the College of Surgeons,
a noble institution, which had produced the most eminent
surgeons in Europe, which had one of the finest museums
in the world, and which was renowned for the
progress which it had made in the science of human
physiology. It was impossible that this arrangement could
be otherwise than that of conferring honour and distinction
on the general practitioner. He could not anticipate from
any other arrangement equal benefit to the general practitioner.
He would pass en to another alteration in the Bill of last
year. Previously to qualifying as a physician, the Bill im-
posed as a necessary condition that the candidate should, for
the three years immediately preceding examination, have re-
sided in the University. Upon consideration, he found it
would be wholly impossible to carry out this provision. He
therefore proposed to substitute two years after examination,
or three years antecedent. And instead of three years' resi-
dence in a Foreign University, one year was proposed. He
now came to the question of the constitution of the Councils.
If he had filled any other station he would have Ventured to
have proposed to the House some alterations in this respect.
His own judgment led him to believe that, upon the whole, it
would be far safer to leave to the Government, acting upon its
responsibility to Parliament, the power of nomination. But
he felt it necessary, situated as he was, to depart in some re-
spects from this principle ; but, upon the whole, he would ad-
here to the plan for the formation of a Council proposed in
the Bill of last session. The matter was still open to discus-
sion. but he intended to make it a condition that the nomina-
tion of six members of the Council should be reserved to the
Crown ; and that a portion of those six, so appointed,
should be general practitioners and country practitioners, for
it was only fair that those important classes should be re-
presented at the Board. In the Bill of last year there was a
deficiency which he now proposed to remedy. It conferred
no power on the Council to remove from the registry men who
had been guilty of flagrant misconduct. By the alterations
under the Bill, it gave a power of removing from the re-
gistry any party who had been convicted before any courts of
law, or who had practised, or attempted to practice upon false
testimonials. There was one other alteration. He proposed
to give to the faculty of physicians and surgeons in Glas-
gow equal and co-ordinate powers of licensing with
the College of Physicians and Surgeons in Edinburgh. By
the Bill of last year, he had conferred on the Glasgow Col-
lege the power of licensing both in surgery and medicine ; bat
subsequent experience had convinced him that they could have
no such power. The question had been raised before the Su-
preme Court in Scotland, and it was clearly proved that the
Glasgow College had no power of licensing, and that the power
existed only in the College of Physicians and Surgeons in
Edinburgh. He was not aware of any other important change.
He had pointed out such alterations as he thought were neces-
sary, and so far from those alterations being at vari-
ance with the great objects of the measure, they were
perfectly consistent with it. He had been anxious
to avail himself of all the discussion which had taken place on
the subject, and had not been at all affected by the angry spirit
whick had been infused into those discussions. He had
endeavoured to take a calm and dispassionate view of
the subject, being perfectly disinterested, and having only one
desire, that of promoting the public welfare. He would not
consider that his labour had been thrown away in the least de-
gree, if he were fortunate enough to introduce some improve-
ments in this most useful profession. He would not now press
the measure upon the consideration of the House, but would
give time for further discussion and further consideration.
But he hoped this session would not close without some
measure beneficial to the profession receiving the sanction of
that House, and passing into law.—(Cheers.) The Right
Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving for leave to bring in a
Bill for the better regulation of medical practice throughout
the United Kingdom.
Mr. WAKLEY heard the statement of the Right Hon.
Gentleman with the greatest satisfaction; and he now believed
that the difficulties which pressed upon the subject would be
amicably arranged and Beall), settled. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had shown by the alteration which he proposed his anxiety
to meet the wishes of all departments of the profession. He
believed the Right Hon. Gentleman and the Government
had not been at all aware of the difficulties which beset this
question when they first took it in hand. There were so many
Interests involved in it, so many laws affecting the profession, so
many rights apparently opposed to one another, as well as
to common sense, that it was extremely difficult to legislate
upon it. He felt very strongly against the former Bill, and he
had so expressed himself. He thought many of its provisions
WM most objectionable ; but he now felt satisfied that the
Right Hon, Gentleman, in the alterations proposed, was
anxious to conciliate all parties, and to listen to any suggestion
which might be thrown out from guy side. He would now
only ask for the postponement of the second reading of the
Bill, so as to give time for full deliberation with reference to all
its provisions ; and the Right Hon. Baronet would receive
the gratitede of the most important bodies of men to be found
in the count ryes--( Cheers.)
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
Sir J. GRAHAM moved for leave to bring in a Bill to en-
able her Majesty to grant new charters to certain Colleges of
Physicians and Surgeons. He heard with great satisfaction
the speech of the Iron. Member for Finsbury. He would ac-
cede to the postponement of the second reading of the Bill till
after Easter. In compliance with this feeling, he was quite
ready to lay on the table of the House four charters. Those
charters were, a charter for the physicians of London, another
for the physicians of Deblits, another for the physicians of
Edinburgh, and another for the College of Surgeons in Edin-
burgh. These, he thought, would sufficiently secure the ob-
jects he had in view.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
DISMISSAL OF MAGISTRATES IN IRELAND.
Mr. BELLEW said that he rose to move for the return of
which he had given notice, of any correspondence which took
place in the years hall, 1843, and 1841, between the Lord
Chancellor of Ireland and the Earl of Lucia, relative to the
dismissal of the latter from, and subsequent restoration to, the
magistracy ; also for a copy of the Commistioe appointing the
slid Earl of Lucan Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Mayo.
In making this motion, he (Mr. Bellew) was fully aware
that the House had been engaged during the last week
in the discussion of matters of much more general
interest than the business which he had to bring before them.
But he did riot hesitate to say that none of those matters
created a deeper anxiety than that which he was about to sub-
mit to the House. It was a subject in which the public in
this country always took the most live!), interest. When last
year the misconduct of a police magistrate had been publicly
noticed, not twenty-four hours had elapeed Vfore tt.?e matter
was brought before the house ; and they had tins asenranee of
the Secretary of State for the Home Department that his at-
seotien should be directed to it. When, also, last year the
conduct of another magistrate had been brought under consi-
deration in a court OF law—he alhideal to the obeervations
which were made in the case of the Queen v. IlUmphries upon
the conduct of the Duke of Marlborough--the Duke of
Marlborough was Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Oxford—
rrisitit was neaee.sery for the Noble Duke to give suffi-
cient eVideriee'sin' his general efficiency as a Ma-
gistrate in order to prevent, his "dismissal ;roes tire
eissruniseion. Ile (Mr. BelleW) wishedathats there wLis the
same sensitiveness in her Maiesty's Government 4'; the case d
Vora' Lucas. Motion had as a particular
ebisset to ascertain on Whit 'principle the disaissais of rnagis-
t,t,4 froK4 the' commiiSion' 'Yhe " peace in
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' ceilor in that country, had taken place. He
; must say that the individuals who had thus suffered were very
' ill-used individuals, and that their dismissals were contrary
alike to policy and justice. The first case he had to bring be-
fore their notice was the case of Lord French. Her Majesty's
Government had always evinced the greatest anxiety to pre-
serve the Legislative Union of the two countries, and they had
dismissed Lord French for attending or intending to attend a
meeting. the object of which was to sever that legislation.
Colonel Butler, the Member for Kilkenny, whose case was
another which he had to submit to the House, in replying to
an invitatisn to attend a meeting of this sort, had stated his in-
ability to leave his bed, and that therefore he was unable
to be present. So that Colonel Butler was dismissed for
not doing the very thing which constituted the main offence of
Lord French.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. O'Driscoll, another
magistrate, had betrayed certain infirmities of temper, and he
was dism4.ed, not for these defects, but on account of his age.
In the course of a few years Mr. O'Driscoll was reinstated,
under the supposition, he (Mr. Bellew) conceived, that in
those years he had grown younger. This would nsver have
been known but for the investisation which had been made in
that House. This was one of the reasons why he wished to
bring these dismissals under discussion in Parliament. The
Government had upheld the conduct of Sir E. Sugden in
these cases. Of Lord Lucan he had no personal knowledge
whatever, and he (Mr. Bellew) was simply actuated by a sense
of public du• y in bringing the matter before the House, and
all the evidence he had on the subject he derived, not
from any personal connexion, but yet frem Lord
Lucan himself. It appeared that the dismissal of Lord
Lucan and Mr. H. Maltby arose from a disagree-
ment between those two gentlemen in court, in which
language had been exchanged unbecoming their characters as
magistrates. In the course of their dispute Mr. O'Malley had
called Lord Lucan a liar and a scoundrel, and Lord Lucan had
called Mr. O'Malley a miscreant. After this dispute, of which
Lord Lucan had forwarded a statement to the Lout Chancellor,
he at the same time intimated that it was impossible for him to
remain in the commission of the peace if Mr. O'Malley were
retained. With this statement Lord Lucan had forwarded
several county newspapers on each side, so that there should be
no unfairness. In the progress of the matter four or five letters
passed, and at length the Under-Secretary was directed to state
to Lord Lucan and Mr. O'Malley, that it was his painful duty
to inform them that the Lord Chancellor had deemed it neces-
sary to erase the names of both off the list. Under such cir-
cumstances how could it be possible for his Lordship and Mr.
O'Malley to retain that respect as magistrates which was so es-
sential to the due administration of justice.? Lord Lucan
sometime afterwards complained that the Irish papers had
attacked his character, and the motive he gave for this was
that they intended to " write him out" of the commission of
the peace, and to prevent his being appointed the Lord-Lieu-
tenant of the county. He stated that the Lord-Lieutenant of
Ireland, through the medium of his secretary, had expressed to
Mr. O'Malley that the measures pursued by the Lord Chan-
cellor of Ireland (Sir Edward Sugden) had received his fullest
approbation. Now he (Mr. Bellew) recollected that the
Right Hon. Baronet stated, in that House, that the conduct
of the Noble Lord ( Earl De Grey) ia the administration of
Ireland met with his entire approbation. Eat' Dc Grey re-
tired, but Lord Eliot remained in that government. When
the circumstances came under the consideration of that
Parliament, Lord Wharneliffe, as one of the members
of the Government, was disposed to put a favourable
construction on the conduct of the Noble Lord, and the
Lord Chancellor (Lord Lyndhurst) stated that he did not
feel himself justified in giving an opinion then upon the merits
of the case, but he afterwards said that the Chancellor of
Ireland was bound to remove the Noble Lord, and in so doing
his conduct met his (Lord Lyndhurst's) approbation. Let
them refer for a moment to the accumulation of evidence in
that respect. They had, in the first place, the correspond-
ence of Lord Lucan himself, there were five or six letters
from him and from Mr. O'Malley. Then they had the
opinions of Lords Elliot, Wharncliffe, and Lyndhurst—yet
after all this, would it be believed, that Lord Lucan was
appointed to preside over the magistracy of that very county
he had formerly been dismissed from. Let them look at the
effect of this procedure—this placing him at the head of that
local magistracy. It might be said by the defenders of the
Government that they had no choice, and were therefore
compelled to make that appointment. But the case was not
so. They might have appointed Lord Strangler!, who had
taken no part in politics. There were many other noblemen
who could equally have been chosen to fill that high position,
and many of them would have given more satisfaction than that
of Lord Lucan. In the late trials in Ireland, one of the charges
brought forward against Daniel O'Connell was, that he had
brought into contempt the administration of justice. But
could Government for a moment doubt that the proceeding
they were then discussing would tend, more than anything
ever done by Daniel O'Connell, to bring the magistracy into
contempt? It had been said by the Right Hon. the Secretary
for Ireland that that country was as much an integral por-
tion of the empire as Yorkshire or Wiltshire was. But
would that proceeding have been for a moment tolerated in
either of those counties ? He (Mr. Bellew) had often heard
in that House that the union with Ireland must be maintained,
the Church upheld, and the law respected.--( Hear, hear, and
laughter.) Now, considering that they heard these words,
" the law respected," at the very time that this appointment
was being made, he thought it a perfect mockery.—( Hear,
hear.) They were all aware of the great difference between
this country and Ireland as respected outrages against the law,
not because there was less crime in England, but because the
law was more justly and fairly administered. The impression
had been created that the appointment of Lord Lucan was art
unjust one, but the lower classes reasoned that
he was supported by a great many friends in
the Government, by whom his faults were overlooked.
He was of opinion that the unpaid magistracy should be above
all suspicion, and it was most important that they should con-
duct themselves in such a manner as to command the respect
of the people. This appointment of Lord Lucan had a ten-
dency to create instead of removing an impression calculated to
bring the law into contempt; and it was a matter of the very
highest importance that such an impression should not be
created at that time in the minds of the Irish people. It
from Lard Lucan'a own statement, that for two years
ap-
peared,previous to his dismissal, he had not acted as a magistrate,
and he (Mr. Bellew) thought it snore extraordinary that ho
should have acted at all. He would conclude by moving for a
return of the correspondence which took place in the years
1842, 1843, and 1844, between the Lord Chancellor of Ire-
land and the Earl of Lucan, relative to the dismissal of the
latter from and subsequent restoration to the magistracy; also
for a copy of the Commission appointing the said Earl of
Lucan Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Mayo.
Sir T. FREMANTLE said that there could be no objec-
tion to the production of the papers, for he believed that it
was perfectly well known that they had been ordered in the
other House upon the motion of the Noble Earl ( Lucan) him-
self. —( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Louth had com-
menced his address by telling the House of the jealousy with
which the delinquencies of magistrates were regarded in Eng-
land, and that, on the contrary, those delinquencies were
passed lightly over by the Government in Ireland. The Hon.
Gentleman referred, as an instance, to the case of a Noble
Duke who, upon being accused of impropriety in the discharge
of his duty as a magistrate, was obliged to set himself right
with the Government and the public by bringing an action
at law. Nov, the fact in the case of the Noble Duke
referred to was, that the Noble Lord had brought the action
of his own accord, and that the Government took no part in
the matter whatever. But, contrary to the opinion of the
lion. Member for Louth, the present' Lord Chancellor of Ire-
land had frequently marked his sense of improper conduct on
the part of magistrates, by dismissing them from the commis-
sion.—( Hear, }sear.) And such was the case in respect to
Lord Lucan himself.—( Hear, hear.) After what occurred at
Castlebar, the Lord Chancellor thought it his duty to dismiss
the Noble Earl. But after an interval, and after the infliction
of that severe punishment, the Lord Chancellor thought it not
inconsistent with his duty to replace him. All the members of
the Government in the House of Lords approved of the con-
duct of the Lord Chancellor, and thought that there could be
no objectless to placing the Noble Lord in his proper position
as Lord-Lieutenant of his county.—( Hear, hear.) Was it to
be contended that one offence, or rather an accidental error—
the use of a single word under circumstances of great
provocation having been visited with the severest
censure that could be passed by the Lord Chancellor, was to
last as a stigma for Lord I.ucan's whale life, and that he should
be considered no longer worthy to serve her Majesty, or to
take his place in the county in which he lived on an equal
footing with the other gentlemen ?—( Hear, hear.) The Hon.
Gentleman had said that he (Sir T. Fremantle ), in a recent
statement, spoke of conciliating Ireland and of maintaining the
laws impartially ; and he said that the conduct of the Lord
Chancellor and the Irish Government in the case of Lord
Lucan was a contradiction of that statement.—( Hear, hear.)
Now he (Sir T. Fremantle) insisted that the law had been
fully vindicated by the removal of Lord Lucan from the eom-
mi,sion of the peace in the first instance ; and that there was
nothing contradictory in replacing him after the lapse of a con-
siderable time, especially as his hasty conduct had been pro.
yoked by conduct studiously provoeing on the part
of the person to whom he made use of an angry expression.
Lord Brougham had said that no stigma could lie on the No-
ble Lord after the explanation he had giren ; and Lord
Campbell had also said that Sir Edward Sugden might have
fallen into an error in other matters, but no imputation could
rest upon him after the expression Lord Lucan had given of
his sorrow at what had occurred.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said he had listened with some
attention to the speech of the Hon Member for Buckingham,
and he could not help expressing his regret at hearing the Hen.
Member speak in praise of the manner in which the Govern-
ment had followed up this strange proceeding, as well as at the
Honourable Member himself attempting to justify this
very extraordinary proceeding. He would appeal to
any other Hon. Member of that House, and he
would ask them if a magistrate of their county hart been dis-
missed for a gross insult in a court of justice to another magis-
trate, what would they think of the conduct of the Govern-
ment who would not only reinstate the magistrate commiting
this outrage, but place him at the very head of those magis-
trates by making him Lord-Lieutenant of the county ?
( Hear, hear.) He would ask Hon. Members opposite which
of them would endure it ?—( Hear, hear.) He would repeat it
for the third time, and a 4 was there one amongst them who
would bear it ?—(Cries of " Hear, hear," from Lord
Ingestrie.) Oh ! the Noble Lord, the Member for Stafford.
shire, would.—(Hear, hear, and laughter,) He would ask,
was there another Member who would ? No, not one.
( Hear, hear.) It had been said that they in Ireland were
very sensitive people; but with such conduct as this before
them, and that, too, the conduct of a Government
professing conciliation to his countrymen, was it to
be wondered at that they should feel aggrieved ?
(Cries of " Hear, hear.") But he would pass by
this part of the subject ; he would not further allude to the
delinquencies of other magistrates, though he was one of those
who, after having held for eight years the commission of the
peace, had been dismissed, opt for any misconduct, but for
having given expression to Isis political opinions, and therefore
qicnatilhe4dbeen administration
sfie
joefnjtel
he slid not deem it any dishonour.—( Hear; hear.) But if
delinquencies such as habdy,beeunt abletrirbeuwtzloteodLworidth Lucan were
to be not only passed
he would ask-was it to be wondered at that the Irish peop'e
Y i ee
punishedtQ W4l;
them ? (Hear, hear,) The Right Hon. Berenet opposite
had no great conllfiodrecincl:
had said that
but that punishment put him very touch in mind of people
who took the total abstinence Pledge for Good ceemple sake,
and then broke it heceuse it was inconvenient tq keep it any
longer.--e( Hear, ThP Henourable Member op-
posite had said he assumed that tba Ifitit Lord
Chancellor was right in dleinisSing Lord Lucan, but that he
had expressed regret soon after fur the language he had used
which caused his dismissal ; but let Hon. Members opposite
remember that it wes heferP, etitf net sitleet the Noble Lord
had been dismissed, that he had expressed this regret. The
Noble Lord had not expressed any regret on the subject after-
wards, that he (Mr. O'C.) Was aware of; but he syle
aware that the Neele Lersi Leg eeisi its his piaee in the house
of Lords, that his dismissal was an act of the grossest injustice,
and that if the other magistrate who had been dismissed with
Hear, hear.) There riare
him should be restored, he would look upon that as an
forwaed, belie WOdld
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attention of the house. He
must beg, however, permission to remind Hon. Members of the
last public appearance in Leland of the Noble Lord, previous
to his restoration. It was on the occasion of his refusal to
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they were to be goaded by such a man as thin. The people
of Ireland fully understood the vacillating movements of the
Government, who took a little step at one moment to annoy
the extreme Orange party, and at another, a movement to an-
noy the Roman Catholic party.—(No.) They were not so
blind as to be unable to distinguish between their vacillating in-
decision and the impartial justice to which Ireland was en-
titled.—( Cheers. )
Mr. T. B. C. SNIIT H reminded the House that, in the course
of the session of 1843, the same transaction was brought forward
in another place, when Hon. Gentlemen opposite complained
bitterly of the Government for having removed the Earl of
Lucan from the commission of the peace.—( Hear, hear.) On
that occasion Lord Campbell said Sir Edward Sugden, the Lord
Chancellor of Ireland, had fallen into an error of judgment in
dismissing Lord Lucan from the magistracy, and now a com-
plaint was made of his restoration. In the October of the fol-
lowing year, 1843, the Noble Lord was restored, and the whole
of the last session of Parliament had been allowed to intervene
before one word was said upon the subject. When the Noble Lord
was removed from the magistracy, an Hon. Member complained
of its injustice, and now the Government were attacked for
having restored him. The fact was, the Hon. Member
did not care how they raised an imaginary Irish grievance.
Having said so much respecting the way in which Irish griev-
ances were got up, he would take the liberty of doing that
which the two Hon. Gentlemen who had spoken on the other
side of the House had not done—viz., stating to the House the
facts of this case. It appeared that the Earl of Lucan had,
two years previous to the transaction in question, removed Mr.
O'Malley, as agent of his estate. }rom that time Mr.
O'Alalley took every opportunity of trespassing on Lord
Lucan's estate. On one occasion he met Lord Lucan's game-
keeper, and commenced a volley of abuse about Lord Lucan. That
led to Mr. O'Malley being summoned before the magistrates
in petty sessions. It was true that Lord Lucan appeared in
court on the hearing of she case, but took his place amongst
the strangers in the court. This was stated in the Newry
Telegraph, a newspaper opposed in politics to Lord Lucan.
The Right Hon. Gentleman then read from the above news-
paper, a, report of the proceedings which !took place on the
hearing of the case before the magistrates, After such lan-
guage as that used by Mr. O'Malley was it to be wondered at
that Lord Lucan should be irritated? He was satisfied that
the House would be of opinion that they had acted properly
in depriving Lord Lucan of the commission of the peace, but
having for a time deprived him of the commission they thought
it right to restore him.
Mr. ROSS thought that the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Attorney-General must have taken a brief against the Lord
Chancellor'-(Hear, hear)—for he had shown that the Lord
Chancellor was wrong. But he wanted to prove, that be-
cause they were right in depriving Lord Lucan of the com-
mission, they were also right in restoring him. That appeared
to him to be a strange doctrine. The Irish Government
seemed to be proceeding on the principle of amendment by
rustication.--( Hear, hear.) But while they overlooked the
offence of which Lord Lucan had been guilty, they deprived
his Hon. Friend and others of the Commission for entertaining
certain political opinions. This seemed to him to be like the
case of Ali. O'Driscoll, to which he directed the attention of
the House last year. In that ease it was that Dineen, who
was so inhumanly treated, had the law opened to him ; but that
reminded him of what Home Tooke said, in a similar case, that
the London Tavern was open to him.
The motion was then agreed to.
ART UNIONS.

Mr. WYSE moved for the re-appointment of the Select
Committee on art unions.—Agreed to.

WINDOW DUTY.
Captain PECHELL moved for a return of the number of
appeals against charges made in respect of windows, from the
Ist day of January, 1839, to the 31st day of January, 1844, in
which the surveyors of the Crown have appeared before the
Commissioners to sustain the several assessments to the duties
thereon.

After sone observations from Mr. CARDWELL and Mr.
COLLETT, strangers were ordered to withdraw, but the motion
was negatived without a division.
Sir J. GRAHAM brought up the Medical Reform Bill,
which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second
time on the 7th of April.
The HOUbe then adjourned at One o'clock.

COURT OF ALDERMEN.

Yesterday a Court of Aldermen was held for the
diipateli of business.
The first matter of interest which came before the
Court was the. case of Mr. Knill, who, after his election
as Common Councilman for the Ward of Billingsgate,
had declined to take, when required, the oath of ab-
juration.
The TOWN CLERK. intimated to the Court that ho had
received a communication frem Mr. Kuill, declaring his
intention to attend in his place in the Court of Common
Council on Thursday next. On this intimation Mr.
Knill was excused from further attendance in the pre-
sent Court of Aldermen; but
Mr. Krum. claimed permission to address a few words
to the Court. He said he had already taken his seat in
the Court of Common Council, and had subscribed two
of the oaths which had been tendered to him on two
previous elections. It was only at the last wardmote
that the obnoxious oath of abjuration had been tendered
to him, which he had conscientiously refused to take.
He had, however, to take and subscribe the oath pre-
scribed to be taken by persons who, like himself, were of
the Roman Catholic persuasion ; but it appeared that
neither the alderman of the ward, nor the ward clerk,
knew anything about it. He (Mr. Knill) could not but
complain that he had been dragged before the public in
this matter, and been made the subject of comment in
the newspapers, as having refused to serve the office to
which he had been re-elected. _

A long discussion followed, from which it appeared
that there was no uniform practice subsisting in the
City with regard to the administration of the Roman
Catholic oath to Members elected to the Common
Council.

Mr. KNILL having withdrawn,
The L RD MAYOR announced to the Court that he
had appointed the R the Lord Bishop of Peterbo-
rough and the Rev. Dr. M'Caul to preach the Spital
sermons fur the present year.