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INTERESTING CORRESPONDENCE.

(From the Ctrk Constitution.)
TO THE EARL OF MOUNTCASHELL.

Palace, Ferns, Sept. 26, 1829.

shall not trouble your Lordship

with apologies for the liberty I am about to take in
addressing you upon the subject of the late meeting
at Cork, which seems to me best described as being
a Lay Synod. I should deserve to be reckoned
among the Bishops who cat, drink, and arc merry,
slid I remain inactive at such a moment as this. I
think it due to your Lordship to entreat that you
will consider very maturely the consequences of
proceedir.g in the course now begun. I shall not be
told by your Lordship that in referring to history,
lam quoting an a'd almanack. I feel coovinced
that your Lordship wig not think it inexpedient to
look back to the proceedings, now but two centu-
ries old, which took place in England with respect
to the Church, and to a repetition of which a peti-
tion to the two Houses of Parliament, as projected
at the Cork Meeting, will inevitably lead. A Com-
mittee of Religion will consequently be formed, and
a Petition of Religion, like that in which the Com-
mons, in 1628, censured Bishops, as favourers of
Popery, and as holding heretical opinions, and
complained that pious, laborious, and orthodox Mi-
nisters were discouraged, will be the next step on
the part of the Commons, who would instantly per-
ceive the open which such a state of things would
afford them to increase their power. What sort
of edifice was built in the seventeenth cen-
tury upon the foundation of the authority as-
. mimed by the Commons in matters of religion,
I need trot remind your Lordship. So far as relates
to the State your Lordship is, I doubt not, bet-
ter acquainted with them than I am. But perhaps
the consequences as to religion are not so well
known. Fur these I would refer your Lordship to
an authority not liable to be suspected of partiality
towards Bishops or Establishments, John Milton.
Your Lordship will find what he says upon the sub-
ject in vol. 4 of his prose works, published by Sym-
mons, at p. 81.. To another writer, of the same
principles with Milton, Thomas Edwards, reference
might be made to the same purpose, but as his work
Gangrccna, is in few hands, I shall take the liberty
of making an extract from it. It was published in
1646 :—" In these four years," he says, (reckon-
ing from that in which the Bishops had been re-
moved), " we have surpassed the deeds of the Pre-
lates, and justified the Prelates, in whose time never
so many nor so great errors were heard of, much
less such blasphemies and confusions; we have

worse things among us than ever were in all the
Bishops' days, more corrupt doctrines, and unheard-
of practices than !n eighty years before. The
Bishops and their chaplains (who were accounted
time-servers) opposed the errors of the times, but
the Presbyters suffered all kinds of errors and
schisms to come in when they were in place; cer-
tainly the Bishops and chaplains shall tine up in
judgment against the Ministry of their generation."
An account of Edwards is given in the Biographia
iiritannica.

That such consequences would ensue from pro-
ceedings originally intended to produce reform, was
not foreseen by these men, nor by Lord Strafford,
when he associated himself with them in the com-
mencement of their course, and as they had na
example to warn them they may plead a very plau-
sible excuse.

And now, my Lord, having said thus much on

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the general question, permit me to enter a little into
particulars. Upon such a subject I must feel strongly
and it is best that I should at once apologize for
perhaps using expressions not sufficiently circumlo-
cutory. I prefer at any hazard, and I think I do not
run much risk with your Lordship, making myself
clearly understood. And first as to the conduct of
the Crown in the appaintment of Bishops. It is
manifest that though England has been sometimes
mentioned in your Lordship's speech (the speech at-
tributed to your Lordship I should say), yet every
thing said at the meeting will be understood as re-
lating to Ireland, and as such I shall take it. Though
I might refer to England and quote the appoint-
ments to Canterbury, London, Durham, Lincoln,
and Salisbury, as not arising out of bargains between
Ministers and Borough-mongers. But I will entreat
your Lordship's attention to Ireland, and I will ask
where, in the course of the last two•and-twenty
years, is there to be found a Bishop promoted in the
manner described by your Lordship ? There is not,
I believe, an individual of those appointed during
that period who could command a single vote in the
House of Commons, except one, and he and his con-
nexions are in opposition to the Ministry, and have
been so for many years.
Let me next advert to the charge made against
the Bishops, expressly made against them generally,
a word always considered as meaning universally.
But I will not plead to it otherwise than in the pre-
cise meaning of the word, and in reply I will beg of
your Lordship to look to the preferments held by
the sons of Bishops, the Ecclesiastical Register is a
book in every one's hands, and your Lordship has
also the reports made to Parliament, and see in how
many instances unions have been formed for their
advantage. I will undertake to say that in general
(ant! I use the word in its extended sense) the unions
which they hold were made before they were barn.
I entreat your Lordship in justice to the living and to
the dead, for I will not limit my defence to the
Bishops now in being, though I justly might, but I
will go back, to their predecessors, to the beginning
of this century, and again,' I entreat your Lordship
to refer to the authorities which I have mentioned,
and see what instances can be adduced to support a
charge made with such unmitigated severity. Nor
do I think in this that I ask too much from your
Lordship when the extreme importance of the case
is considered. If your Lordship on examining the
books, should think that you nee any instance of a
union so made, I do confidently trust that you will
have the goodness to state it to me, and if my eyes
have not deceived me in the course of my examina-
tion, I rely upon being able to clear it up.
These unions of parishes are very little under-
stood. The word Parish is supposed to signify a
district sufficient in extent and population to re-
quire the attention of a Clergyman, and affording
an income adequate to his maintenance. This is by
no means the case, and there are no people who
have a better opportunity of knowing that it is not
than the people of Cork, where a brewery or a
distillery occupies the whole extent of a parish !
On looking into the Ecclesiastical Register it will
appear that the parishes united are in general vicar-
ages, entitled only to one-third of the tithes, or i►n-
prupriate curacies, and paid by a salary from the
itnpropriator, generally under ten pounds, and never
in any instance which I have known, amounting to
thirty; often alYolately without any salary at all;
nearly all of them are destitute of churches, they
having been destroyed in the civil wars, and unable
to rebuild, or if rebuilt to maintain them.
And I will ask, to what goOd end can it now tend
to complain of the abuse which Bishops may have
made of their power of uniting parishes, when your
Lordship knows that they have no longer the power
of uniting them ? But to proceed. The incomes
of the Clergy are unequally divided.- The Curate
has not sufficient to procure the decencies of life for
his family. Permit me to ask whether your Lordship
has looked into the last Act relative to Curates' sa-
laries (as it was passed.five years ago), and whether
any thing beyond that can be expected—unless, in-
deed, the principle of equalising all incomes, and
haying no Curates at all, he adopted. The evils
of such a system it would take an essay to detail.—
Just let us view it thus. The incomes allotted to
the' Clergy arc designed-to induce men to enter into
-the Church, with the hope that it will afford them j

a maintenance, and eventually a competence, or even
affluence. Seen in this light (and setting aside all
higher thotives for adopting the profession, as being
perfectly unconnected with the secular interest, now
under consideration), I will appeal to the experience
of all men, whether unequal emoluments, varying
amough very different degrees, will not be more at-
tractive than the low, uniform income which an
equal division would afford to each individual. The
fact is before us. Our supply of educated men is fully
adequate to our wants, on the present system. What
improvement could a change in that system produce ?
A vague notion of an immense iievenue which
might be thrown into the heap to be divided, I
well know, abroad. The extent of the Bishops'
lands is vety great—Granted—But it is admitted,
that at least four-fifths of the profit of those lands is
in the hands of their tenants. It would probably be
nearer the truth to say nine-tenths. But be the
proportion what it may, it would he direct robbery
to deprive them (the tenant) of possessions, which
hare been in their families through successive gene-
rations; nay, made the subject of family settlements.
'We come therefore t o the actual income of the
Bishops. Now, of the amount of that we have the
evidence of Mr. Leslie Foster, before the Commit-
tee, on the state of Ireland, and lie averaged the in-
come of the Bishops at 5,0001. Irish. That is,
4,6001. sterling. Your Lordship will not, I believe,
think that an income of that amount should be di-
minished—that it is not equally divided, is not a
subject of d.scoment among ourselves—we do not
apply for any change. We do indeed complain of
our incomes being over-rated. 1 am not satisfied at
being rated at B,oool.,when I cannot reckon: n 45,0001.
Nor am I pleased to hear the Archbishop of Dublin
rated at 14,000/., when I am convinced that he has
not 8,0001. Nor at the Bishop of Derry's being
rated at 20,000/., when I do not believe him to have
more than 15,0001.
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We come then to the parochial clergy, twelve
hundred incumbents, and six hundred cerates, and
the whole of the incomes of the incumbents, if
equally divided, would give these 1,800 nearly 250/.
each. Encrease the number till it becomes equal to
the number of parishes, and, allowing no curate at
all, the dividend would be about 187/. per annum.
Let that arrangement be proclaimed, and what
would be the effect upon the class of men of which
the clergy is at present composed ? Would they
feel a stronger wish to go into the church than they
do now ? Unquestionably not. We should be
obliged to admit uneducated men. 'With what ad-
vantage, let those who wish to know enquire in
those parts of England and Wales which are sup-
plied with such.
As to the charges made against the moral and
religions character of the clergy, I shall trouble
your Lordship with a remark, but upon one of
them. Your Lordship characterized the clergy as
being, in general, griping and covetous. Now it
does happen that the refutation of this charge is on
record. The Act for the composition of tithes has
made public the rate at which the clergy made their
demands, and it is notorious that they do not amount
to one-tenth of the Rent, so far from being one-tenth
of the Produce, to which they would have amounted
had not the clergy, with a -liberality that deserved
an eulogium instead of the censure passed upon
them, relinquished two-thirds of their lawful pro-
perty, which they might have claimed without in-
curring the censure of being griping and covetous.
Yes—There is -One charge more to which, as it
admits-of proof if well founded, I must claim your
Lordship's attention :—" In many instances, the
Clergy lead improper, immoral, and dissolute lives,
mod VARIOUS petitions hove been presented to both
Houses of Parliament representing facts revolting
to humanity, and disgraceful to the parties accused."
On the part of the Clergy of Ireland, do solemnly
deny the charge; and in their name, and on their
behalf, I claim the proof.
The instances I mean, for to that I limit myself,
of such petitions having been presented.

Did such immoral characters exist, the Ecclesia-
stical Courts would be resorted to by the aggrieved
Parishioners, and the charge must be entertained.
I will now conclude this very long leiter, with re-
peating my apology for the freedom with which I
have expressed myself. 1 thought it one to your
Lordship to make a direct communication upon the
subject—while] I write I see what may serve as a
f!ecisive confirmation of the apprehensions which I
hove expressed as to the consequences which the
proceedings at Cork are likely to prodUce. The
Popish Papers praise them. The Evening Post
says they are all that it can desire.—l have the ho-
nour to be your Lordship's most obedient humble
servant,

(Signed)

THOMAS FERNS.

TO THE LORD BISHOP OF FERNS.

IfiY Loan,--I have had the honour of receiving
your communication. In having taken the chair at
the meeting recently held in Cork, I feel I have only
performed my duty, and I am satisfied that every
well-wisher to the Established Church, will, after
mature reflection, discover much to be approved of
in the resolutions adopted on that occasion. lam
indeed unable to discover the danger you forebode
from our measures, as there was but one opinion re-
garding the doctrines of our Church. Your Lord-
ship surely will not attempt to say that imperfec-
tions have not existed, and still continue to exist, in
certain practices too long suffered in our Cliusch.
That the time has come for remedying these abuses,
I think must be conceded, for the more corruptions
we suffer to disfigure the Church of England, the
greater danger is she in. Now that Government
has left us to our own resources, and withdrawn that
protection our Church was accustomed to receive,
every zealous member is called to on do his best to
protect that, which is now more than ever likely to
be assailed by her enemies. Assuming that right which
I conceive every layman possesses as being a member
of the Church of England, we came for ward to bear
public testimony to the purity of her doctrines, and to
the zeal of those good-shepherds who with indefa-
tigable care have attended to their flocks—to check
as far as in us lay that misconduct, and those malprac-
tices which unfortunately prevail, and to point out
some of those evils which in our opinion have
greatly retarded the progress of vital Christianity.
Knowing our intentions to be good, confident the
gates of Hell shall never prevail against the true
Church of Christ, and that the false doctrines of
Popery, can acquire little strength from the candid
admission that our Clergy are not infallible, and
there exist some flaws in the temporal things, we
ventured to express those unfeigned sentiments,
which a desire for the permanent welfare of our
Church dictated—and here permit me to say, lay-
men have at least as good a right to speak upon re-
ligious subjects, as clergymen upon political ones,
allowing the clergy credit for the best intentions in
the Litter, we laymen claim a like favour in the
former. I now beg to say there was little in my
speech exclusively intended for Ireland, which
in-
deed I think your Lordship ought to have at once
perceived.—lt was also far from my intention to at-
tack the zealous and virtuous members of our Hie-
rarchy. I purposely spoke in general terms, wish-
ing to avoid every charge of personality. It was
not individuals so much as abuses that I aimed at—
abuse?" which alas! are too notorious to he con-
cealed by simple contradiction. That the practice
of appointing Bishops from political motives has
existed, cannot be denied, so long as we have living
instances of the fact ; and what has been done, it
will not be denied, may, when it pleases the Minis-
try, be done again. I shall pass over the docu-
ments your Lordship refers to, to prove the danger
of interfering with Ecclesiastical abuses. The state
of Great Britain now is sorely different from what
it was about the year 1628. We must either pro-
ceed forwards or retrogade, and now is no time-to
exclaim,

"'Tie better to hear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of;"

For my own part, I can say my trust is not so much
in the power of man as in the power of God. The
wall of partition has beet! ,;.- pulled down by the
Lords Spiritual-as well as emporal: kifi Majesty's

Ministers have nom left U 3 to shift for ourselves.
Popery and infidelity have combined to overthrow
our Church, and they may succeed, if the Lord is

not for us. And how, I would ask, can We expect

the assistance of the Most High, when vital end
practical religion is so little valued, and when the
uovernment and the people look with apathy en

abuses, which no one can deny Nay, when even
sonic amongst the clergy may even defend those
very abuses. It is with pride and satisfaction I ad-
mit that several of our most pious and worthy pre-

bites, both in England and Ireland, have for some
time made great exertions to correct what was
faulty. These not only deserved the praise, bi t the
co-operation of the laity, for without some as ;st-
ance from, I shall not say the lay members, but the
le friends of the Church, the Bishops even col-
lectively, I fear, could not effect much in a country,
where the matters complained of are wont to be re-
gulated by Act of Parliament. In proportion as
convocations are neglected, and the appointei
au-
therities in the Church are satisfied to refer to Par-
, liament, which is chiefly composed of the laity, for
the redress of ecclesiastical abuses, the more man-
' rid is it for laymen to feel they have a right to ie.-
' terfere, when the prelates suffer glaring abuses to
continue. The subject of unions of parishes has
long engaged public attention. Much has been said,
and clearly proved, of the evils arising from the
practice, and much has been admitted. I wish to
blame no one on their account. But this I say—the
true friends of the Church earnestly hope that evith
very few exceptions, unions and pluralities will soon
be abolished; because the souls of men are or some
importance, and neither a dignitary of the Church,
or beneficed clergyman, no more than any other man,
can be in two places at the same time. Your Lord-
ship asks " to what good end can it now tend to
complain of the abuse which Bishops may have
(once) made of their power of uniting parishes ?"
I answer—that the abuse may be corrected, and the
Church restored to its pristine condition ; and the
sooner this is done the better. As impropriate and
lay tithes render in your opinion the unions of
parishes necessary, I have only to say, I wish some
equitable plan may soon be proposed by your Lord-
ship, to remedy the evil. Your Lordship would
lead me to suppose, that the Act passed five years
ago regulating the salary of curates, is a sovereign
remedy for allahe hardships they labour under. My
Lord, I know too much to be thus convinced. Facts
are stub:sorts things, and without naming individual
cages, as I have no desire to bring any one into a
scrape, I assert, without fear of contradiction, that
in numerous instances, curates do riot at this mo-
ment receive from their Rectors the salary
allowed to them by law. Some Bishops may
have, through oversight omitted to enquire
whether the Act you allude to was complied
with, and the curates have felt too dependent:on
their superiors, to give vent to just feelings of dis-
satisfaction. As I am inclined to think different
gradations in the church to be quite Scriptural, and
most useful, and as talent, piety, and activity, are
not undeserving of temporal reward to a reasonable
extent, I for one have never entertained an idea of
allotting art equal income to every parish. But I
regret I must differ from your Lordship, when you
say, " the incomes allotted to the clergy are de-
signed to induce men to. enter into the church
with the hope that it will afford them a maintenance,
and eventually a competence, or even affluence."
Ate these the motives that ought to induce men to
take Holy Orders? Are these objects in harmony
with the Holy Bible, and in unison with the words
of our Ordination ? My Lord, I must follow your
example and apologise for perhaps using expressions
not sufficiently circumlocutory. But when you
ap-
peal to the experience of all men " whether un-
equal emoluments varying through very different
degrees will not be more attractive, than low uni-
form incomes," I cannot help figuring to myself,
a lottery contractor (in times past) calculating on
the advantages likely to be derived, from the
15,0004 prize down to the numerous small prizes,
which even when won, could never cover the ori-
ginal cost of the ticket.
My Lord, allow me to say on the subject of the
incomes of Bishops, that their rank in the Church,
and the independent character they ought always to
maintain, renders it desirable they should possess an
independent income. Bot, when your Lordship
admits that the Bishops' lands are worth ten times
as much as what goes into the pockets of their Lord-
ships, I cannot help wishing at least the rest of the
profit could be employed for the spiritual welfare of
thousands, who are dying" for lack of knowledge."
Your Lordship, however, considers it " to be di—
rect robbery, to deprive the tenants of possessions
which have been in their families through successive
generations." That they cannot be deprived of
these lands as bog as their lease lasts, we all well
know, but afterwards I believe private interest has
much to do in the renewal. And if your Lordship
calls the deistical of the tenure of Church lands
after the expiration of the lease, direct robbery,
what an imputation do you cast on many of your
predecessors as well as cotemporarics, who, not con-
tent with the sum offered by way of a fine, or wish
ing to provide far some relation, have been, and
still are, in the habit of running their lives, as it
is termed against the lease.
In referring to the Parochial Clergy, your Lord-
ship states them at 1,200 Incumbents, and 650
Curates (for Ireland), and your Lordship, with
much nicety, calculates the sum of money which
would fall to each, were the incomes equally divided
among them. Having on no occasion favoured this
measure, I cannot here he expected to advocate it.
But it is evident your Lordship has one grand ob-
ject before your eyes, whilst I confess my mind has
long been engaged with a very different one.—
Whilst you, my Lord, have been considering what
was most for the interest of a favoured portion of
the Clergy, I have been looking to the spiritual
wants of the people. For this they pay an annual
income; and where they have, in so many instance-,
been spurned and neglected by well-paid teachers, it
is only surprising they have laorne the imposition so
long. Let the Clergy do their duty, and they de-
serve a just remuneration, for "the labourer is
Worthy of his hire." As your Lordship has entered
into certain calculations, I am also tempted to do
the same, and looking to the wants of the people,
taking; for granted your statement of the number-of
parochial clergy to becorrect, and laying down the
population of Ireland at seven millions, none of
whom ought to be neglected, I find there is just one
Parish 'Clergyman to attend to about 3,888 indivi-
duals, that there is but one Incumbent to nearly
6,000 persons, and one hard-working Curate, sup-
posing all to be such, to nearly 12,000.
Now I leave it to your Lordship to reflect whether
this is an adequate supply (to use your own phrase)
for the maintenance of true Christianity and the sal-
vation of souls, especially when so many of our
Rectors confine their weekly labours to performing
the Church service on a Sunday, and reading a dull I
sermon. The ignorant and depraved state of too
many of the lower order of Protestants in Ireland as
well as England, ti e corruption of morals which
disgraces all classes, arid the increase of crime, I
which of late years has so much occupied public
attention, stand forward convincing proofs of the
absence of practical religion, and of the deficiency of
that medium or channel through which Christian in-
struction oue.ht to flow. As for my being accused
of calling the whole body of the Clergy griping and
covetous, I here beg leave to say, I only made this
charge against the worldly minded portion. From
what I said of the pious, and virtuous, and spiritual
clergy, I am satisfied they are convinced I had never
any intention of bringing a charge against them, of
which they are not guilty. Amongst the faults of,
I fear, too many of the former—faults which have
contributed much to alienate the affections of the
la, and
bers oefv hoi t ahe hsu,r
ch ot of o m
England
a;iy instances,
out
ofh driven e
r pale,
I enumerated covetousness ;and gigantic will be the
task of him who attempts to prove this assertion ill-
founded. Your Lordship's instance of the Tithe
Composition in no way weakens my statement. The
incumbents got as mach as they could, and I -find' no

fault with them for doing so, and if one happenedtn
I be worse off for his bargain, another made a better
thing of it. Local circumstances in certain cases
regulated the conduct of some, yet I never heard ,
one who had compounded complaining, though 1'
have known the parishioners in certain cases to had
bewailed bitterly.
The last point I am called on to notice, is yodi
Lordship's denial that some of the Clergy of the
Church of England are dissolute and immoral. Vrill
your Lordship, on cool reflection, repeat this ? Oh,
but I see you now wish to limit your denial to Pet
tions having been presented to Parliament agag*
improper Clergymen finer Ireland. I have before
said that I spoke at Cork of the Cleratgy f Ent'
land awl Ireland collective/y, and it mteros little
whether petitions be presented or not, if flagrant
cases can be proved. I certainly shall not now tell
all that I know, because truth is, rinprtunately,in •
this country declared to be a libel; but I do knoW
some serious facts, and time may disclose mall
more. Cases are from time to time "brought into the
Ecclesiastical and other Courts, which prove my 94:
sertions to be true, whilst the apathy arising from
ignorance, bribery, and corruption, often hinders
crowd of other charges from being brought to Fe.
The expense also of law proceedings, if I miettdcLe
not, besides some other reasons, serve as impedr
merits to the conviction of clerical immorality.
As most unjust insinuations have appeared in
some of the public prints against the Clergy of Cork'
as a body, I must take this opportunity of saying,
wish as much zeal and piety may be found in even
part of his Majesty's dominions. Whilst I think We
;rave more decidedly religious men amongst the
Clergy of the city of Cork than in modern times
falls to the lot of a town of its size and populatiott,
I feel no inclination to wink at the conduct of some
in this county, as well as in other parts, who 11):
Vier deserve the name of " hirelings" than of " goo°
shepherds."
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explicit.to express
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thus obliged now
to be
called to account for doing that which I considered
bli
to be a duty. lam sorry you should have been 0
fearful of being included among those who "en!'
drink, and are merry," in this world—l can 04
assure your Lordship, you, as well as several OW
virtuous and zealous Bishops, who hare long ly
bowed in the cause of truth, were far distant fool
my thoughts when I ventured to speak against tins
useless members of our Church Establishment. 1314
there are some who oppose the march of vital re/i
Rion—some who may even have the courage to se"
sect there is little or no difference between Pro'
testantism and Popery; and these require at least
gentle shake of the shoulders to awake them from
their timbering dreams.
As for what the Dublin Post, or any other Paper
may say, I care nothing. Our object is to correct
abuses and errors, and if this object can be obtained,
" the Post" may scribble away whilst the good is
doing. I have the honour to be, my Lord,
Your Lordship's most obedient servant.
(Signed) MOUNTCASHELL

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

FRENCH PAPERS.
(From the Gazette de France, Oct. 20.)

PARIS, OCT. 19.—After quoting the observations
of the Constitutionnel on the mauifesto of the for
ror of Russia, the Gazelle says—
"We were well convinced beforehand that the
Constitutionnel would not allow more moderation to
the Emperor of Russia than it is used to allow to
any other Sovereign. But the proofs which it bring
to support its opinions are so false that we cannot
dispense with refuting them.
" It is certainly false that the Turkish provinces
are to be occupied for an indefinite time. The en'
tire evacuation will take place immediately after the
payment of the indemnity.
" The war contributi ut, far from being so consi'
derable as was said at the beginning, has been et'
duced by General Diebitsch, or will be so by hie
Imperial Majesty.
" There will be no castles occupied on the Be
phorus either temporarily or indefinitely : the tresti
is formal upon this point.
" Lastly, the whole territory of Turkey is to be
evacuated, and the Ottoman empire, with the er
ception of some places in Asia, remains as it ole
before the war. The article of the Treaty layil4
down the limits, and which designates the Pruth oe
that of the two empires to the North of the pit`''
cipalities, is an irrefrogable proof.
Every one of the Liberal journals has to-day II"
article against Russia and its Sovereign. Whether,
this arises from concert or not,—whether the Coolie
Directeurs has given orders or not, it is neverthea
less true, that this unanimity of sentiments 811
views in the organs of revolution is very remarkable,
" There have been victories and conquests, afteer
two long and sanguinary campaigns. Ought tble
conteq to be without any result for Russia? po
body can think so ; least of all those who have bee°
the most violent instigators of the war."
(From the Constitutionnst)
" This important document (the manifesto of the
Emperor of Russia) puts an end to all doubts, even
those which arise from the defective date of tPi
foot of the treaty. According to the manifesto, I
was signed at Adrianople on the 2d (14th) of Sep'
tembcr. The date of the manifesto of the
peror of Russia is the 19th of September,
corresponds to the Ist of October.
" What then becomes of all the modification..
whist: our absolutists appeal to and hope for? lilled;
now talk no more about them; and even the (20,i
dienne, outwardly disguising its mortification, do if
not exhibit the text of the treaty : it contents itse,
with a mere analysis of the articles. What reblips
(ion can the Sultan obtain from a triumph he
sovereign, who tells him, in distinct terms, that '

extended his hand to procure peace ? Ago
" In order to appreciate properly the preten,
moderation of Russia, who has done no more tb
exercise the prerogatike of a victor, it is doubt
sufficient to read and understand the treaty alrel
published; but we should be better informed 501.:
if we could know the contents of the three "cry
treaties, what were the necessary, the indispensabl;

ccrd
ccop;equetice of that of Adrianople.
:c As o
state,
ingacctoordvilat the Ern
according to ou
dents, and according to the facts which have reache
us, we are forced to conclude—
"-glish German jourtcloalrs retiihpeoolii(i
sei
1.. That the first secret treaty certainly contsirl
stipulations, by virtue of which the Russians vf.,/,
retain military occupation of the Turkish provirli
now in their possession, during a period which
be equivalent to a permanent occupation.
" 2. That by virtue of the second secret Treati;
the war indemnity due to Russia is; much grestete
than is stated in the principal, and that the Plo,
would not be in a condition to pay it, even if
was allowed a hundied years to free herself. 'oe
" 3. That the third secret Treaty stipulates P 0.4,
vtively the occupation of the two castles of the .0
phorus until a petild which, in reality, will OP'
just when Russia pleases. ari
" Such conditions as these are worse than
- • ..ar,OC

actual incorporation of Turkey with Mtocrijitf
Could the linen Sovereign, who extended his ha
to obtain peace, hope for better ? •
„ An is over then : the Grand Seignor is nosh p 0
more than the vassal of the Czar : the Ott°lllle
empire has ceased to exist, and the Russian etnrillie
extends henceforward beyond the shores of
Black Sea and those of the Bosphorus.
" This is what it has cost Mahmoud for li'teaff,
to the advice and instigations of the British MO."; he
He threw himself into the arms of Etiglen" st.
confided in the promises of the Cabinet II
James's ;—he has lost both his power
throne !".

(From the Quotidienns.)
Jjpg
GIBRALTAR, OCT. I.—The best undersk---1 he
prevails between the Governor of our place ott:tri
Commander of the camp of St. R ,che. Tile do.
invited our Governor to dinner a few (W.

General Don went, and afterwards invited the
Spanish General. Ramirez Orozco7visited the for-
tress the day before yesterday, when he was saluted
by a discharge of artillery, and returned after dinner
to his camp.
The bankruptcy of the house of Michael Lopez
Ind Co., at Cadiz, has caused much sensation in
our place, because all the merchants of this town,
Who, in consequence of Cadiz being declared a free
Port, went to establish themselves there, and had
Placed their funds in that firm.
FRFNC,, FUNDS.--PARIS, OCT. 19.—Five per Cents.
108 f. 20c. ; Three per Cents., 821. 25e. Bank Actions,
118651.• ; Neapolitan Rentes, 89f. 25c. ; Royal Spanish
Loan, 76+ Rente Perp. d'Epagne, 5211. Exchange on
London, money, one month, 25f. 60c. ; three months, 25f.
45e- ; Papyr; one month, 25f. 65c. ; three months,
25f. boc,

~. PRICES OF STOCETt Tilli DAY AT ONE o'cLocx.
1 ts'
.r.lr'elc 21414 16 South Sea Stock
ap, r,_ ...............
_ sr. Red. OOl,O-414 Old Annuities — 3 Per v.ent. Cons. 9034 11i New Ditto —
3N Per Cei t
•Ili" RW.1..1.... 99 li%3i Ditto l:d. '74 '7? pm.
3 Per Cent. 17.26 .......
Ditto g)00 td. 71 73 pm.
4 Per Cent. Ann lid. '74 '75 pm.
.b. 0 ug.,„ 'O3N % % Ditto
1,1" ' '''' 104 v 51' Ditto Small 24. '74 '75 pm.
..itto ................ ,s is
, Scrip — Ditto lid. 74.75 pm.
!sank L. Ann....... 19 13-1(3 20 'Bank for Account ..........
India at
... —lndia for Account .....»..
Bonds ".-
....._
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„. . •
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txxcES OF FOREIGN FUNDS THIS DAY AT 01,E O'CLOCK.
Austrian
)1 •.' Bonds ............... —'Neapolitan —
131% 1 t
Brazilian fonds ......... 67V4.4 Peruvian liond3
ISUenos Ayres Bonds .... ' '-
Portuguese Bonds lSii 9U
Chilian B(inds .... ............ , Prussian, Old
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,olorribian Bonds ... .......
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1-WittO? 1825 19%34 French Renter, sp. C. 1081. —c.
DiMexican H0.D05... ............ . --- 3 per cent. —l, ---4.
tto, ltS25 ... 2O
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PRICES OF SHARES THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK-
Per Share.
Paid.
trazilian Imp. Min. Co. (iss. at Si. pin.) £2O
10% II
Ditto
.......
4%
.._tohimbian Mining Co. (iss. at Si. pro.) .C 35
5
L'inlean Mining C0.£35
72%
neat del Monte Mining Co.

PILICES Or Mali STOCKS, DURUM, OCT. 19.
dank Stock -
Consols 3 per cent. Gov. Stock
'NI°, Ne ' 3.2.' ir
G 4 08!‘ ;Patriotic Ditto
Per Cent ..... 102% , Hibernian Bank —
.............. ..•
O. peb. 311, per cent.... 08% Provincial Ditto —
Grand4°Ya. Canal St k — :Royal Irish Mine —
Canal Stockm
'lmperial Mine —
City Deb. 4 cent —; Mining Co. of Ireland
II allast o—eper 4 .
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MAILS.
Arrived.
Due. Arrived. Due.
0 0 America .. 2 Hamburg 3
Brazil *******
...... 0
.red....... 0 0 Holland
0 Buenos Ay..— 0 0 Havanna!) 0
1 Dublin ..
.. 0 0 Leeward Islands
1 Flanders. ............ 0 0 Lisbon 0
1 France— .................... 0 ••.•• 0 Malta 0
0 Gottenburgh 0 0 Mexico
2 GuernscyBc.lersey.. 0 , 1 Watcriord
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-.iGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW.
slt rnlng... 50 minutes after 10. I Evening ...17 minutes after 11

The THE COLOSSEUM—REGENT'S PARK.
Proprietors of this Magnificent Exhibition invite the atten-
tion of the Public to the
NEW ARRANGEMENT OF THE ADMISSIONS.
8. d.
To v.iew the Panorama Mon., l 0
°Tim the Panorama, with the original Ball, removed trnroirri St. Paul's Cathedral—the Prospect from the sum-
__ tof the Building—and the Saloon for the Reception of
~,,,Works of Art :3 0
vievr the Conversatorics, Fountain, and Swiss Cottage 2 0
Used ASCENDING ROOM being now completed, is
',ally in raising Visitors to the First Gallery.
Open from Ten till Dusk.