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Lord CALTIIORPE presented a petition from surgeons
in the county of Suffolk, praying that means might be
adopted to regulate the supply of anatomical subjects. The
Noble Lord also moved that a message be sent to the
Commons, requesting a copy of the report presented to
that /louse by the select committee appointed to inquire
into the supply of subjects for anatomical purposes.
Adjourned at Half-past Six o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(LAST NIGHT.)
Lout ENCOMBE, Mr. PZIALeHE, and Mr. SADLER., took

the oaths and their swats. The two former for the borough
of Truro, and the litter for the borough of Newark.
A person brought up a report front the Commissioners
of the Savings' Banks.---Ordered to lie on the table.

M. Sheriff BOOTH brought up a petition from the
Common Councit praying that the punishment of death
might be mitigated in eases of Forgery.
Mr. Alderman WOOD supported the petition.
Mr. Aldermen WOOD moved the second reading-of the
London Bridge Opening Bill.
Mr. C. PALLMER presented a petition from the owners
of wharfs near the New London Bridge, relative to the
London Bridge Bill.-.. Referred to -a- tilkamittee.
. The Shetiffs of London presehied ii-vistitieih from the
City and Corporation in favour of thee Catholics. .
The LORD MAYOR begged to offer a few obserea..
tions On ,the subject tif the petition.: Twenty years bad
passed since the City and Corporation had expressed' their
opinions on this- subject. On that occasion they had
petitioned against 'concession. They would have
been content to have refrained from expressing any
opinion at the present time, if they had not feared that their
silence might be misconstructed into a continued opposition
to ;he Catholic Claims. The present petition was voted
by a majority of two to one in favour of concession. The
Hdt,. Member commented on its mild langnage, from which
h 7 read extracts. He felt the most sanguixe hopes as to
the beneficial effects of the great measure which had been
introduced into this It ue.. He had considered all the
bearing; of this great question, and had come: to the
conclusion that there was but one of two ways of
settling it, either that of refusing the people of Ireland
the benefit of the English Constitution, and keeping them
down by martial law, or by taking their grievances into
consideration, with a view to granting theta those privileges
to which they were entitled, and removing the griev-
ances of which they complained. The settlement of the
question will have the effect of attaching more than ever
those who are now loyal subjects to the Government, and
of turning those who were in some way indisposed to it.—
He had no doubt this great measure would raise the people
of Ireland to their proper sphere in society.—(Hear, hear.)
—At this meeting of the Common Council a Resolution of
thanks to the Duke of Wellington and the Right Hon. Se-
cretary of State for the Home Department, was unani-
mously voted, and the freedom of the city was also unani-
mously voted to Mr. Peel.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.)—
The petition had his cordial support.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said this petition was most
gratifying to his feelings, he had been a supporter ef
the great measure of Catholic Emancipation all his life, it
was therefore, unnecessary for him to occupy the tune
of Honourable Members in delivering to them his sen-
timents upon the present occasion ; he was convinced there
was a great change of late in the opinion of his (Alder-
man Wood's) constituents, not but that they always advocated
liberal princ pies, but never at any fernier period did he
think the majority so great as at the present moment.—
(Hear, hear.)—Very few of the citizens of London had
signed those petitions that were got up against the
measures proposed by his Majesty's Government; the people
began to think that the cry of ".Nti Popery" was only
a bugbear.—(Hear, hear.)—He would not take up the
time of the House further than expressing his satisfaction
of the measure.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.-(LAST NIGHT.)

The Earl of HARRINGTON and Lord WILEOL7GHBY
D'ERESBY took the oaths and their seats.

Mr. Beck, from the Nation•tl Debt Commissioners,
presented an Account of the Savings' Banks.
Lord STANLEY and others from the Commons brought
up a Road BM to go through a portion of the county of
Lancaster.

Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS also brought up another Road
Bill.

The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented petitions from
the Scots Church, Regent-street, from a congregatidn in
Glasgow, from a parish in Perthshire, from Bath and its
suburbs, and from several other places, against Catholic
Emancipation. With respect to the petition from Bath,
the Noble Lord begged to observe that it had been only ex-
posed for signature thirty hours, and was signed by up-
wards( f thirty thousand persons.
Earl GREY presented a petition from the Barristers
and Sergeants of London. The annual lists that were
printed, showed that the number of persons called to
the bar were somewhere about 900 ; 300 resided in
the country, 150 did not practise, there would there-
fore remain about 450 practising, out of whom 327 had
signed this petition.—(Hear, hear.)—The Noble Lord
was sure their Lordships would allow tbat the parti-
cular studies of the petitioners led them to make them-
selves acquainted with the Constitution; of the coun-
try ; it was therefore to be considered as a proof that by
relieving the Roman Catholics their Lordships were not
endangering that Constitution. This was the third
petition from that Hon. and Learned body, and this was
the third time they bad come forward to recommend a
measure which had been so wisely advised by the Le-
gislature. The greatest publicity lia,d been given to this
petition. It was signed by 27 persdns, who were of the
most sliatingitished character in their profession. Many
of those who had not signed it, had declined doing so, not
because they objected to the measure, but because they did
not think it right for the Bar to petition the House at all.
The Noble Lord concluded by observing that he thought
the petition was entitled to the beat attention of the House.
The Earl of ELDON did not rise to oppose the wish
of the Noble Lord, that the petition should receive the
most particular attention of the House. He had
never heard of this petition except from the Noble Lord.
He was aware that there was not a more honourable and
independent body than the English Bar,and with reference to
this question, he did not believe that body would be in-
fluenced in any way whatever, either by fear or any other
feeling. This certainly was the third petition that
had come from the Bar. To each of the two previous
petitions the most particular attention of the Nouse had
been asked, and yet he had had the good fortune to get the
House to shew that no particular attention was due to them
mere than to others. The prayer of those petitions had
not been granted, and he trusted that the late of the pre-
sent would be the same.

Lord GREY presented several petitions from different
parts of the kingdom both for and against Emancipation,
and the Sub-letting Act. The Noble Lord, in presenting
a petition from Burnley, Lancashire, said this petition was
got up in consequence of another ptition having been set
on foot against concession. The Noble Lord (Grey) did
not like to enter into controversies respecting these peti-
tions; but he Ind been informed that the petition on the
other side, presented, as he believed, by his Noble and
Learned Friend (Lord Eldon), had been got up in the
most improper manner. It had been signed by persons
under age, and of all descriptions, not knowing what they
were about.

Lord DARNLEY held in his hand a petition, which be
considered of some importance, though not so much so as
one that bad already been presented by a Noble
Friend. It proved to him that, with the exception
of the Clergy of this county, by far the greater
number of learned and enlightened individuals were in
favor of that side of the question whieh he had ever had
the happiness to advocate. The petition was from Maid-
stone, and was signed by 264 Protestant Dissenters of
various denominations, principally Unitarians. The Noble
Lord claimed the serious attention of the Runs.: to the pe-
tition.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA was instructed to state that
this by no means contained the greater number of the Protes-
tatit Dissenters' names of Maidstone. There was another
petition now in progress which it was intended shortly to
present to their Lordships' notice. The Noble Lord be-
lieved that the great body of Dissenters of that place were
against concessions.

-Lord DARNLEY presented various other petitions to
the same effect.

Lord MORLEY presented a petition from 800 inha-
bitent4 of Exeter in favour of the Catholic Claims.

Lord ROLLE believed that by far the great body of
citizens of Exeter were opposed to this question.
Lord MORLEY did not know wheth,r the petition
issued from a general meeting of the inhabitants or
not, but he knew well that it was signed by moat. re-
spectable individuals.

Lord FITZWIdIAM presented a petition from Be-
vetley, in the county of York, praying for Catholic
Emancipation ; also a petition from the town and neigh-
bourhood of Rotherham to the same effect.
Lord SELSEY presented a petition from Chichester in
favour of the Catholic Claims.

The Duke of RICHMOND said thlt q petyon of an
opposite tendency had already been zreeented filMi the
same place, by the Right Ret. Prelate of 'the diocese,
signed by a ueater nunther ofclergymen.
The En! of ELDON presented' petitions against the
Catholic Claims, from the General Church Session of
Abenlern ; from the ministers and elders of the Presbytery
of Glasgow ; from the ministers and elders of Linlithgow ;
fi om the borough of Chesterfield ; from Linwood ; from 4
meeting-house in Dean-street, Southwark ; from Wad-
hurst, from Searborolvrh, from Avlesborou4, and 'from
various other places,Lmaking in all 76: The Noble
Lord said, that he Was sorry to inform their Lordships,
that these were' not quite a quarter of the petitioni 14,R
brought down with him.
The Duke of RICHMOND presented
petition
from Petworth.

E.ll 04E-121,L presented five petitions, to the same
effect, from the county of Antrim, and one from the county
of Down.

the satne efilet, from Eton,
The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented pctitictc,
Bucks, ,y.d irofnitOlley,
Hampshire In presenting the latter peiition, the Nate
1-,

Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN expressed his entire ac-
quiescence in the prayer of the petition ; he had no doubt
the majority of London were in favour of the measure,
and only waited to know the nature of the measure
it was intended to introduce before they expressed their
opinion. The present petition was resolved upon at a
numerous meeting of the Common Council, who, it
should be recollected, were elected annually, and decided

upon by a majority of two to one:—(Hear, hear, hear.)
There certainly was a division, but that division was not on
the question itself, but on a motion for an adjournment,
until the sentiments of his Majesty's Ministers were known.
(Hear, hear.) He was always a warm supporter of the
right of petitioning, but the weight that ought to be at-
tached to petitions must depend upon the manner in which
they were got up.—(llear, hear.)—The humblest indivi-
dual had a right to petition that House, but could it be
supposed many of the petitioners in this case could by pos-
sibility understand the question, and considering the means
that were made use of to induce all sorts of persons to sign, he
must say most of them were not entitled to much weight.
—( IJear. )—ln one case that came under his own knowledge,
in fact in the parish where he had resided 30 years, a peti-
tion had been presented purporting to he the petition ofthe
ileztor, Churchwardens, and inhabitants. Now, tl.is
petition was got up privately, and a few individuals who had
obtained knowledge of it., and had intended to be present,
were told that sinless they intended to support it they had
no business there. , (Hear.) Yet with all their exertions
only 550 signatures could be obtained out of a population
of 6,500. He believed there was no real opposition to
the present petition ; it was only the time that caused a
slight opposition to it. He would only say that whatever
credit was due to the -Right Honourable Secretary up to
the present time, it would sink into nothing, when own-

that the petition be printed, which lie should have done at
the moment, but that the Speaker had called upon another
Memberbefore he had the.opportunity. He had nekstated
that the petition was signed by 15,000 persons, though ha
had said that it was signed bysevaal thous/rid personi,
Mr. P. MILDMAY said, that the Hon. 'Etakonet. bad
been very unfairly attacked by the Gallant General, 'who
complained that he had not caused the petitions to be read,
though at the same time he admitted that the House was
net paying any attention to what passed.--(Herr, hen,
and a laugh.) .
General GASCOYNE—I mean to say, Sir, that
never said any such thing._e_(Great laughter.) '
Colonel SIBTIIORPE'S petitions were then read, and
ordered to be printed.—(A stranger in the middle of the
gallery here clapped his hands, as if in a theatre.)
Sir W. A. INGILBY said, that notwithstanding all the
industry and zeal of the Gallant Colonel who repres.ented•
the city of Lincoln, in getting up these petitions, of which,
he appeared to make such a boast, the House might te,it-
assured that they were by no means to be looked upon am:
expressive of the feelings and opinions of the great body of
the population of the county of Lincoln.—(Hear.)—On-
behalf of that county, he felt bound to state, that were it.
not for the efforts of a few individuals, aided by a large
proportion of the Clergy, such a number of Anti-Catholic
petitions would never have found their way into that House.
On the contrary, he could venture to assert, that the great
mass of the property, intelligence, and independence of that
county was in favour of the measure to which his Majesty',
Ministers bad come upon this important question.—(Hear.)
Mr. HEATHCOTE assured the House, that the feel-
ings of the county (Lincoln) were favourable to the Catho-.

lie Claims, as he would take an opportunity of stating when
called upon to present a petition with which he had the
honour of being intrusted, in faveur of their claims. •
Colonel SIBTHORPE challenged the Hon. Baronet ,

who represented the county of Lincoln (Sir W. A. Ingilby)
to name a single instance in which any undue influence
had been used to obtain signatures to the petitions be had
presented. If any opposition was intended to that peti-
tion, he wondered it Lad not been got up before.
On the motion of Sir T. LETHBRIDGIL, his petitions
were read, and ordered to be printed.
General GASCOYNE was quite sure that the omis-
sion of the Hon. Baronet with respect to the petitions
was purely accidental.
Sir JOHN BRYLSGES said—Seeing the Honourable
Member whp represents the county of Waterford in -his
place, I consider this is a fit opportunity to ask him if
he has redeemed his pledge of inspecting the signatures
to a petition from the Protestants of that country, which
I had the honour, to present to this House on Thursday
last ; and, if he has done so, to require that he will either
confirm the assertion he then made, that the petitioners
were " hole anti corner men," or will allow that his ac-
cusation was unfounded, and do them an act of justice
they are entitled to, by acknowledging his error. Sir, it
there are any " hole or corner man" in the county of
Waterford, I will tell the lion. Member that this appella. .
tion is more appropriate to his supporters, issuing from
their priest-ridden cabins, than to
,those whose respectable
names are attached to this petition. I deprecate as much
as any man the waste of time occasioned to this lion,
House by altercations of this nature upon the presentation -
of petitions ; but ho'wever I lament it, I feel I should le
guilty of a dereliction of my duty towards those honours
able persons who hare confided their petition to
,me, if I
submitted without remonstrance, and did not indignently
repel the calumnious accusation the Hon. Member has
thought fit to prefer. It may be said, Sir, that it is
futile to trouble the House with these observations, but I
am of a different opinion. As the accusation is made, I
am entitled to have it substantiated or contradicted.
Honourable persons have entrusted their petition to me,
and I will see justice done to them. If the lion. Member
preserves silence, I shall consider it an admission that
the charge is unfounded.
Mr. V. STUART said he would not imitate the bail
taste of the Hon. Baronet,.in casting reflections on his
political opponents. He bad examined the signatures of
the Protestants of Waterford, at the bead of which was
that of Lord G. Beresford, and those of others with whom
he was on terms of friendship. He had no private diffe-
rences with them on that account; but be would say, that.
although the petition might contain the sentiments of Lord,
G. Beresford; certainly it did not those of the Protestants
of Waterford.
The petition was then brtught up and read. •
Mr. MOORE presented a petition from the Protestants
of the county of Cork, against further concessions to the
Catholics. He observed, that it expressed their serious
apprehensions as to the consequences of the invasion of the
Constitution of 1688, and their belief thet the present
disturbances would not be quieted by concessions to the
Catholics.
After a few observations from Mr. Jerstsost against the

petition, and from Admiral EVANS in its favour, it waa

laid upon the table.
Mr. MOORE then presented petitions from the Sere&
ing Synod of Ulster, who were nearly unanimous in their
opposition to the measure. He also presented petitions
froM the Presbytery of Armagh, and from eighteen parishes
in the county of Wicklow, to the same effect.—These wero
severally read, and ordered to be printed.
Sir 11. INGLIS said, be was about to present a number

of petitions against further concessions to the Catholics,
from various places in the neighbourhood of London. Ha
asserted, confidently, that the great majority not only of
numbers but of intelligence amongst the people was against
the measure.—(Laughter,'and loud cries of No.)—He was.
sure that that was the case in the larger moos of the.
people.—(No, no.)—He did not talk of the majority dins
telligence among a number of given individuals, fur he did
not mean to contend in that house that the utost splendid
talent had net been exhibited in its favour, but he_ '
-:,east
to say that a large proportion of the intelity,-;•.ee of tho
people of England was against the measure.—(No,
When he was told that this was disproved by t,tt hat ap-
peal to the people, made in 1826, he denieeAlt unequivo-
cally, and he said that in order to have v,,,V,•ianed a. fair test
of the opinions of the people of 11'4giam./, his Majesty
ought to have recorded in his 4-.,,eecit at the close of last
Session his intention of Tec.i.unuteudiug a measure sueh-a,s
that which he he,d recommended in- his speech ar
the eommen;lement of this Session. Ile ought to have
stated that his Ministers would propose, fur the • conside-
r,Ltion of the next Parliament, a tucasure of this kind,
and I then the people would have known that the repre-
sentatives whom thi..y elected to sit in the next Parliament
w(,uld be. timtlr to whom they must entrust the derision of
this most important question, If such a course had Wm
pursued, and the supporters of -the measure had fora eel a

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hand down his name to fowl ity us the greatest of states- Jerity of the peg le being in its favour ;
lust at
"let.sent he de.
pared with the honour of this great measure ; it would Jority, .there would have been some reason to tall: uf ",ne
ma.
men. The same might also be said of the Duke of Wel- nied thatto be the fact. A falter re,4o, - !
could not now be
,to ii in this •
, ,i,,,,. , it_t c manner ,
far greater than any of his former ones—(hear, liear),,, and if such an appeal wea _
lington, the victory that he would now obtain would be adopted than that of atipealing IQthe '- - .
oe, he hail no moral doubt
it was with the greatest cordiality LO supported the that there tyould h al,
-° ----- ".ge and overwheltnin, majority
at, ii oh t the 11,10atur.
measure.
~ •
.. o, no.)—He had Ti) doubt that if
Mr. WARD said it had been his intention neither to his Majesty Ministers,
instead of adopting the course
'aatt actually pursued, by keeping their intentions
felt called upon to state, that •;" secret up
;exbpurtesißeloll of his opinions upon this im- the.:
to the last moment, had stated what they
swPeltrlstaloniirtscisihiltleteelvatitoaiton'n to oppose the course nosy prOtnNseal to be themselres thought, and appealed to the people upon it,
adopted by his Majesty's Ministers.—( Hear, hear.)—But they would have obtained such a majority as would havo
when he said this, hey:lust add that he gave hkfiftliaelfa enabled them to retain their ground, and to have rejectedi
Ministers every credit for a conscientioul-valah to set at the measure. In justice to the House he should present ali:
rest this que,th.n. The petition heiore the Hanle was these petitions at once. The first was front Whitechapet,
•'*adopted
signed by 300 persons: hat Lis constituents consisted of and to that 1,478 signatures were attached. The petition
tlg= wi',.lo'.ot of 1,478
15,000 person., to whose feelings and opinions ho ',yea was the result of a. meeting called in a regular manner;
gite:ati,Vt,TC,3 ti0:11,,
jv.
bound to attend.l Haying expressed his opinion in °pp- and at that meeting a motion having been made. to pap.,
aition to the measure, lie was desirous to add that it was a resolutian favourable to the measure, it was repete-'; by
not his intention to offer aria resiatance to it in detail.— 170 to 21. The petition was the:l:r:
eefitnialtiSt'ached to it
(Hear, hear.)
.i-inclon to this Iletity,a,
ahfluiersianctelisbcenesnsioant,taacnbdedsi
-...., xt petition was
- vim $ ated to him that no person
Lord MILTON presented a petition from the pariah of
Ectlesfield and other places, in favour of the Catholics. from the parish of All Saints, Nor,
(11:1%:.:lei4irn
ti_f,,,,0,4,i 1):e5t,4,:‘,1,
e,rias.•‘'tsoi,cf.
:„, 1 1 with signatures to
:na',li. ittla: Hon. Members for the City of
the amount of 1181,, all 0.1 whit+.
NEV WRIT,
-wa "aii been permitted to sign. Ile
Honourable Captain Pellew, R. N., who had accepted the '.-'• 1+
because one of them had the other
ordOetn•
Stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds.
ordered for til'laoetßioonrootafglAijorf. Launceston, in ian tZewcoNonaitof‘‘t.laies
Mr. DUGDALE presented petitions against tla.e cattn?:.. night rear tinted That these petitions were unfairly got up,
lie claims, from Birmingham, and other . Oases in the and hail stign3,l,zatl those who had assisted in procuring
county of Warwick. Tip pictn,inghtn.petation contained them, ,Ti next petition was from St. Ann'a, Bloch,
36,000 signed, itigßaturea. friars, signed by 450 persona; another from Bridewell
_. . .
Ma. I.WLEY Kestented a
petition also from Birming- Chapel, with 54.4 signatures; another from the Synod of
ham, 0i.,,,a I; y-1.3 magistrates, a; ekagymen, 21 bankers, Secedera. at Glasgow, signed by 870 persons ; and three
and many thousand i"diVidual,, in favour of emanaipation. others Qgr.,ed by 1,136, by 736, and by 400 persons." He.
—sir Q. ROSE presented a petition from the inhabitants I lai:,ligood reason to believe that every one of these petiticatia
cs 6:,liristchurch against any further concessions to t.laa had, been signed since the Speeds had been made frooa*a•
Catholics;
also three similar petitions from p .'iacira, in. its Turone, stating the intentions of his Maieaty's .11/4Wstera.
neighbourhood.
I He therefore thought that these petitions daseryed the
Lard TULLAMORE presaOicil a petition against .
~ . ,
..any greatest attention. further concessions t-
::,. thi?. tf:atbolies frena the Dissenters Cif Mr. S. RICE should not have mach aaty observation. 0
Mount Lion Chapel,l%iiddlesex. ' that moment, but when he found Also presenting of k pet:,
Sir
*tE
'. 111 BRIDGE presented aevaral itatlilons from tion was mai!e the means el --laaatting forward 4 gallant
parishes in Sornersaishir • • - ' "assertion"(l .• -.* I - dwhen, alll. • d tl •
t• - •
assertions were not '•eii, founded, lie could tia.A allow them,
.
1 C''''-, -
Color.e. "4ii,i ti,onpF presented five petitions against to pass in site...lee. What he intended to Jude to was the
?.(:":1: i,l,lllec copcatioo to the Catholics limn districts. in as,ertiiaa. made by the Hon. Baronet, She Member for Ox-
tet:;te:,!..naliiee; ft.--,x,1, that the great majority 4th3. people of England were
garteral GASCOYGNE said, that the Hon. B_,:aamaat, averse to the inea,ura ases.s: under eonaideratioa. When
opposite (Sir T. Lethbridge) even though he azight have he heard that sts:aatnent he really jrpagiptat that: the Hon.
changed his own sentiments upon the a-4la;ieet of concession, Member r4;4.-.3 ao follow it up with the'eleolaratiOn of his
ought all events to perfortr,, L'.4 dote,: by those whose ade..,a',4),-,.. of the principles Of Mliii4, ankWith-Sotne plan.
petitions lie had i.-.‘;;;latatatien to Pi:esent.te the House,, :ii‘• to filter the constitution ,o'l6•that,.,lliin-se..-.. Was it fin...him:a
tti. r•il•,- signed by 1.9,000 personl iioi-, the. in the: teeth of tite Idc•ain)oia.- attitiliieltitellivilipn--41Wir,
~,,.:•ava.za stye-.
loan. Bart. might have them read....._.,1.1.ar, hear.) - h'•!ar)—Was. it .F-aa. :I;ro, aft "that;:.6.statiati,tbaOriuse,
t$ rofEn
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said he telt obliged to the Gal, and iaa. "that place, that tire Rpintow of Oe....Pri.:!aa : b,
hat General for i' '66. him the oivoittiniii of ix),,:- . ~ , a vi, 54 , . ~, ,
.pg. kl, Was against that so ea,VOEStckitilitei-,,
.14-eorsawatatives
.e•'••
• 7as . . .