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London, England, 1811-04-02 00:00:00

THE WAKEFIELD RAILWAY BILL.

Mr. WILBERFORCE, moved, the second reading. of
the above Bill, which WWI opposed by Mr. Mitiws,
Mr. Cui en, and Mr.:WhAi ton, and suppotted by
Mr. S. Staiihppe.
Mr. CURWEN moved an Amendment, " That
this 13.11 be read a second time this day six months."
The House then divided—..

For Mr. curwen's Amendment .
For original Motion "
Majority -
The 13111 is of. course lost,. .
KENTISH TOWN ROAD RILL

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Mr. P. Monaz moved' the second reading of the
BiThfor making a Road throUgh Holloway to the
ehove place.
'The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objaat'd to. the Bill as.
being nothing mote than a spx.ulatint, upon a pro-
jett,',which is in furtherance for making a tunnel
throUgh Highgate archway, which tunnel he did
not know would ever be'Completed.
Mr. P. MOOR It contended, that this road would-
be a 'great public accotnmodation ; that the archway
would in all probability,be rompletediby the end of
Autumn ; that the tunnel would aflbrd occom-
na-dation to the inhabitants of the west ead of the
Nletropolis, and that it would he of material bene.
fit to the inhubtants of Kentish :Town and Hullo.
way. The Sors of the Ch-rgy, and the Colleo of,
St.% John's, Cambridge, had origin'ally given their
.oppositlon to the Bilf,)•but the former Corporation
had withdrawn their oppo.itiOn, and he trusted,'
the Noble. Lord (Palmerston) would siv,nify a.simi-
lar
intention on the part of St. John's College.
Sir OSW ALD MOsLEY sup Ported the Bill, Which
he eonskiteltd highly heneticial bith to the public
. and to individual property. •
Lord PA LMER STOW W3i instruMed by, the College
of 'S't. John's to oppme the Bill, tieing of opinion,
theie interest would be affeaed by it The Noble
Lod moved an Amendment, That the. Bid be read
a second time this day six months.'

Mr. WtLiqq., wished tha Biti to go lo a Com-
mittee.

The House divided on Mr. P. 11loonp's Motion,
Against it - 3i
tor the Amendment 28
Majori*y -- 7
The Bill was then read a a-cond limo.

The. Fli4l)way Bill went through H Committer;
wai reported, and wdered 1,. be. Orinted, and fur-
ther consit!ered thi4'day three wetki.
T e r espeeling the Pay of Officers serving
abroad was fixed for Tuesday week. •
111:CULATION BILL..

Mr, FL MAII,TIN, who observed that he under-
stood no oppootion..i.ould be! given to the Big. in
Wage, Itlm;vd iiecmiti reading. It was ac-
cordo*gly read a second time, and committed fur
Friday text:

,S pie conversation arose between Mr ConwEN,
and' the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, respeil-
ill the aistillery when it was agreed that it
should stand for discussion to-morrow.

The notice of a motion given by Mr. ABNICROM-
BIB On the absence of Mr.. Horner), founded on
the Report of the.tullion Committee, was fixed for
Friday..
The House went through a Committee on• the
Foreign Ministers' SThry Bill, which wart report-.,
cd ; and the Bill ordered to he lead a third time on
Friday:
A Petition was presented by Mr. Durous from,
the Land Owners of Edinburgh, against the Bill for
Allowing Pistillation from Sugar.

MILITIA INLISTM Lt..
On the bringing up of the Report or the above
Bill, . , •
Mr. Secretary
,livniat stated, that it was his in-
tention' to propose- a clause for allowing, the vacan-
cies in the he,filled up by inlistroent at,
the beat of drum.:. Ills objeo was to keep ep the.
nunihert, so as to,prevent them falling below the
quotp originally provided.
On the Report being brought up.
Mr...41.10t stated his objections to the Bill. He
declared that lie had nothing ,new .to add to the
~,rvatinn3 which lie hail ft-innerly made.. He thought
hut the. system fidorted io this Bill was nothing less,
tiro) a repetition of the same errors which had be-
tine attended the measures of ,Ministers, when pro-
viding for the army.---rhat it would produce the same
difficulties in attempting what they wished to Re.
complish, and that consequently it must he
peaud he should state. the same ott.aioo which he
haddune before. It was not to bp. wonde,ed at
that. he should have had stare expedeuce iu the tn.
tics4ofino,alivorsat:ies, and therefore was aware that
they Mightouge,, in answer, to his absitioiionc
W ly anouldlou who,are hostile to the,institu..,
tion-of the Militia system, be adverte to.th4t sys,
tent ; which, as we propose it, assimilates itself to
what you approve, namely, the recruiting lot the
line?" 'To these arguments he would answer, that
be never did object to tbts.Militia establishment, but
that, ott tit contrary, he was friendly to it, as
•originally-stnod.• His bo*""Yom'efosdi-reaed agaiast
the propositions which. had for their objet the an.
rnentation °fit) and -which of course produced, what

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e deprecated,totardeclinatinn oi the reolAar
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cruiting. He objected to it also, because the.crAiti,
Cry wa,i already too much, o'verloritled wilt Ali de.
rie'riptions'ellocal torCe, It iVfis,a syStem Which tad
otjuinect and the evil re alts of which ha
hail witnesied, There were nut more than three
counties it) that kingdom. that had anybilloting
for the Militia. He protested against
of recruiting, because thereby it could
,not be cried
a Militia,—it was in fad 6. Fencible force. The
Right Hon. Gentlermin then adverted. to the plank
proposed by Mr2Vitioleam, and contrasjed the two,.
giving to the plan of his fite Friend the preference,
having been so framed as to pioduCe a greatenr
ber of mtn then any plan of the Gentleman nnW
power. He contended that the present mode of re=
cruising does not cover the e
ordinary waste of th
Army—that it does not till up mute than two-thitti4
of the deaertions—t hat competition was wholly de=
struCtive of .the Recruiting Service---and •t, at the
. measure would interfere with the regular rtcruititige
He hoped the Colonels of Militia Rtgiments would
pause before they voted for it,
Col,inel Doc4ETT did not,think with the Right
Hon. Gentleman that the. measure was. open to till
ihoseohjetlions which be had stated, though he
nutted that nothing but the necessity of the case
coold justify its adoption.: '
Mr. Gam objeeled. to the Bill, on the ground
that having originally. been intended to be a tempo.
racy, it had been made a petpe4uJl tneasurei. It star
tended .to injure toe ordinary, recruiting for the
Line, which for many yegrs had never had a fin: tr:al-..:
Mr. ELLIiON suppntted The..liill, aid conthildvd
that it contained within itself a pruy agaiust per;,,
matiency. .

Mr. BANKRS said, that he would propose a Ciatle,
10 declare that the ballot- should not take I
I).nee until
1613. • . • •

Lord C4STLEaRAGii ,drew *a, comprnison. of 'his
military plans with those of Mr. Windll..mr:. Ella
maintained the expediency of induerrik
enter first into the Militia, %%ill} a, view. Its thett:
stibseqt.ently volunteering into. the Line. They thus
did at two leaps that which they would h.. sitata
to do at one. He acknowledged that .it was de;,
sirahle, if praEttcable, to postpone the ballw.
Mr. WHITBREAD defended the pi stis of his trienci
(Mr. 'Windham), whose eternal a bsvner every one
must lament.—The present Bill was; in hi opiniiiit,
a.continnation of a set of miserable eXpedients of silts
most part iii And oppressive nature. By the present
lye em, men were ohtoked from entering at once,
into the Re4ular Army, not lium.the reluctance so
take the junta. At "nee, tun in ordet that they•might.
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get more for jumptog.
Mr. WlLlattaroacit -conckernned the 'if,
that which I,riginall professed to be- a teosporay
memos e lot° a pi.rMinent one.

Mr. Secretary. RYDER dete, ded the Bill. if :he
disposaWe force of 'he country ware muck ;erne;.
th•tti it really was, .there werr plenty of objects 4.1
which, it could.be..applie.t. Tie t.tefici,fuctes,'„there.,
tole, mutt be sttp, tied by some ineans, and Its
wished the Gentlemen npliihite to s ate .4,1 oil
better titan those...now in'opo,ed. l'tte ptitwp
recommenaatiort.of the Bdi tilitt.re-elVtug (33
he trUS'eti It would always ,be tete! ved) the p it:a
ciple of ballot, it went almost to a ci:ri;iiitty
to prevent tne necessity of r'soiting to it. Henn;
object to the clause of ins .H•ni, for tot ir.3ity
deterring the ballot until Ista, let it r.bvtikt
stake') for fixing it for Alta Fprit.vt, tutti i• SI 41,3
would - induce many to watt -.who : would otherwtse
enter into the Militia, by befit p 1 Trutt: • Tnese
s.rable exper.lieut4, as the Honcittiable.Gatitlem.,ll
termed than, ltdd in the ye.irs added to tne. It •
•gtilar :limy the. Unpieceile.olo4i number of 66,00 Q
wen, •

uolonet BASTARD opposed the
Colonel WOOD supported. it; and .was of opinion'
that a seventh taken..annually from the militia.for
the regular army might be supplied by beat of druM;
tki withatit resorting tai :the ballot, Ho ho wii.
nessed many solunteerings from the militia, and he
never knew them interfere, with the discipline ut the
militia regiments.
The Amendments were then agreed to without
a division. •

Air. g3ve notice that he would propos*
hi, clauie on the third reading.
Several clauses were introduced by Mr. Scciciary
Ryder ; and after sorno luither eonversaiiiin, in
*lnch Mr. Ryder, Mr.,Gilei, Mr. Bastard, &c. par-
tccipated,
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The Bill inns ordered to be ent,Tosied, fltla to be
read a third time to-morrow.

A variety of l'Aper4 were ordered to b 2 referred
to the Committee of Soppl./ alter which thei
House ,resolved itself into the said Committee.

• .ORDNANOE Es-MUTES.
' Mr. A,. COOPER, in bringing the Orthiancti Esti.
mate, before the Comtnittee, bad to obServe, they
,Were somewhat altered in firm, in cothtetittenceme
hints given by some of his tion.' Friends, anti, sug.
gestions thrown out by certain Metobers• of that
}louse. These he briefly stated to the Commit tee ;
they related. to certain arratwernents made with' re.:
sped to the pensions at 01ticei a, and to clung, , of,
feeling the Royal Artillery ;Drivers and the
cars Company. In so& arra?gemovs,
had cutleavoured to tOilow the plan et .A my
Fst~~n ices, +.oiich had met- with such grriQrat ap•
probation, and which were easily' cOmprenended b-`
the ilimse. He thought ietieedlcss forillin to take,
up the (*tine of the Cotntnittee by compiiiin:;
estimates of the present year with thoie of :he ;aq..
Ho thought it better as once` to state to' what they
amounted. now. It wocld be seen there'waS ail
exceis of 506,00Q1. This.arosts elti,Aif on, account
ol the article of PI ims-money. There was vot),00n!.
s,:,t down for foreign services, and an increatie of
forty thousand pounds, it) conitt•rinetice-ot an tttig.,,
tnentation_whicti been nmkte of thtiteet, th,tt,
sand Ten. The Eititnates cotttaitted thte new in'
Cie, to which he wislitd particulaily tilted the.
attention (fit the Committee. This was a claint,:.,
50,0001. for powder-ruagaaines, It tiad beets ),,,utut
that powder, When, kept on hoard ships;n soo cot,
tradea a dampness which greJtly injured it. sheet .
his:Magazines wets dearer than ethers; that i„t,i
e)tpoeo t
n,(eart),erf.las o
tkr p(iatiwg:(rear,.ga:.vriin:
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ssfottid contain 10,000 barrels, syss fifteen tboil•
sand pounds. From this it would be seen that
maozines of this latter description could be pro-
sided the expellee of. 16,0001. capable of reeeiv.
ing as much powder as could be deposited in float-
ing magazines at the exnenee of 28,0001• He was
unwilling to tre•sp:u upon then time by making
an
ilinteeeps.sry lengthened statement, lie held himself
giv.e any ex, lan•stion that might be. requir-
ed on any article, but at the present b would only
move—

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•' That 21 sum not exceeding 3,401,t ii. r is. red. be grant•
ed to his Majesty for the service of the Ordinance for the laud
Service of Great Britain."

Mr. WAR!) thought it might not be impronastvto
make a few observitious, with which on a former
night he had been unwilhng.to damp the exultatiou,
and interrupt the harmony which prevailed, while
giving their thanks for an achievement which had
fulfilled the most sanguine hopes of, national par-
and added, it possible to the credit of our
army. thitortunately with that victory a 'circum-
stance was connected, which, if it had not been
spoken of, was felt at heart ; he meant the de-
plorable condu6 of oar Allies on that occasion.—
General Grattan) in his dispatch, had, as became
Int% toucned very slightly on this subject, but at
was too well known not to be contemplated by the
coonny at large, with the greatest dissatist.act
That any set ut men could stand by ~cold blooded
speaators of a battle, the mete recicital of which
warmed the hearts of all who were nut dead to ho-
!tour, must be a matter :of surprise to every 0ne...!
Had they been mercenaries, and like the Swiss sol-
diers going to war only for pay, he shottld have
thought so glorious a spedaclomust have waked in
tlvir bosoms some feeliogs of :sympathy, some de-
sire of emulation. That they had been such spec-
tators was however stated by concurring testimonies,
and if his now bringing the subject forward could
do no oilier good, he hoped it would have the etre&
of producing an authentic contradiction from the
Right Honourable Gentleman; if to give such con-
toutidion were in hti power. lie would ask it se
could hope for ultimate success without ca•opera-
lion on the part of the Spaniards ? Could 40,000
men, or even a greater nutuber, sent from this touts.
try, effect the esnancipatiou of the Peniusula, if
the Spaniards took no pait in the, struggle )—He
did not Wish to libel the Siamsh people, He
would do justice to their national chatacier; and
he could nut but believe that it would be as nn.
philosophical as unjust to suppose, the descendants
of those who had tough( under the Pizarros and the
Duke of Parma, and many of the .ncist
names in hiStory, 'could have so far, degenerated
as to 'act, of themselves, such an unweithy part
as they were charged with in the present instance.
He could not imagine their. national charader could
be so much crushed by liwe, bedi depravity he re-
garded as sanded by those who managed their affairs.
He then briefly, noticed the various Governments
which Spain bus had, and ptoceeded to si,eak ut the
Co r es.: :Than these', he ►bought it leas revettabl,
and less usehrl body of men had !metier existed.
The MO wen they had thOticht it necessary to take
on their being a "otnbiQd iwO to expel certain 01)0
words from th. it latigua‘e„ while their country was,
overrun by 3015,000 Frenchmen, of vs horn they hardly
took any notice, Tiley then proceeded to establish
the liberty of the press, while they, drove their best
General out of the country to die a' bioken•hearted
exile, It appeated iii the late transactions that Gen,
Graham had been placed u,',der the Spanish General
La Pena. Till a better system's, wall adopted by the
Spaniards for raising food Otlicers than had ut pre-
sent ebtaiited footing among them, he thought the,
lives of suet. a:General and such an army ought net
to be plav:(I at the disoosal of a Spanish 'Command.
er. He knew it was a delicate point itch those who

went to assist whets in a.* tor the comniatid ; but

in a case ot I..tialt importance. delicacy must give way
to mere important ciioNidefittiOUS. was Ot:tter to

risk otierufitig our Allies twenty tirtioi, thaii.to risk
the twill des.; tleitoo of out alloy 1 and thoogli
totious h) this itistattee, We had no tigitt iti,k,ity. to
calcoiate ott Whig woquetors outlet suchciteutti-
stances.

The CUANCELLOR of the' Exoutomen gave the
last Speaker credit for his forbearance on a former
occasion, and thought It would be hum unfair, no
*mutt t of such forbearance, to preclude' him from
the right of subsetpiently discussing the Subject.
He could not, however,.lielp saying, he thought the
Hon. Gentleman had expressed a stronger and more
determined censure on
.the Spaniards thanoould be
justified by !he evidence in their possession at pie
sent. It he had confined hoaself to expressions of
mere regret at the circumstance of the English being
left to fight the battle alone, and required some ex-
planation on the labia*, be should have thought
that such a .line of conducl on the part of the Ho-
Stour.ible Gentleman was pettedly natural and
right ; but when, unioformed of the
Whole of the circumstances 'Os he conceived be
must be, as no intormation had, been leinisbed nn
the,subjeet by General Graham),, he ventumd to de"
scribe the SpaniardS as cold-blooded spOators
the earnest; he 'thought was neither getieroOs nor
junto' those persons who were onw to be put to'
their trial in bpatn. It was not generous to the in-
dividuals, nor was it just to the cause?. It was im-
possible to think such men could consider them
selves fairly dealt with by this conotry, if *hey were
thus to be prejudged whet; their vonduel WAS yet to
undergo a legal investigation.—Did General Crtif;
barn in hitt letters furnish grounds (004 such State-
ments as had been mule, that' they Were all cold-
blooded speelatnrii, and auxiotts to withdraw them-
selves, [rote the field ? If be did riot, such a State-
trent could not be justified. Ant what it he bad
amid time reverse? He bad said so in 100 ; in no
stance had he furnished gtouuds for such a sweeping
sentence. in his dispatch he had said, v‘ The e%.,
haunted state of the ttootia nude porSuit
imps stifyle.
A position was token on the eastern side of the hill;
af,d wr Were strengthened co our right 'by the re-
torts of the tµ o Spanish battalions that had been
I,,4bed bow r to my &vision, hilt which I had left
omm .be add which had been, ,ordered to retire

These battalions (Walloon Guards and Ciudad Real)
made every eftbrt 'to come back in 'time, when it
was known that we were engagedi" Why from
this they had the authority of General Graham him-
self, that whatever Might -be the' propriety of the
order previously issued, these two battalions no
homier knew that the English and French armies
were engaged, thin they made every effort in their
power to come back, and aelually did return as soon
as they could, though net before the firing had
ceased, and she enejny hail commenced his retreat.
. When the situation of the Spanish army, •posted.'at
four miles d stance, was taken into consideration, it
required inure information than they had at present,
toping.), the passing of a censure on the ss hole of,
the Spanish army, or even on any part of it, except-
ing these two battalions. With respeel to the Go-
vernments of Spain, though they might not .answer
the expectations ot the Honourable Gentleman, weal
allowances were to be made, considering the ctw•
stances trader which they had cline ieto power.—
They could not expel so find, in persons suddenly
forced out of their ordinary habits, patternS of
Statesmen and patterns of Legislators, midi as she
Spanish Government had been—they, however in-
firm they might be, had kept their country unsub-
duet! by France, to the great disappointment of
those in that House, who now in retrospett cen-
sured Ministers for failing to do what hefine by an.
tieipation was pronounced to be impossible. Instead
of condemning all the *poniards, they ough.t rather
to dwell with admiration on their national character,
and contemplate with satiStaction the resivance they
had made to the gigantic strides of France. It was:
not necessary fir him to speak of the merits of this
or of that Government, but he: (the Chancellor at
the Exchequer) was rather sutprised to hear any
observations from that side of the House, which
' seemed to reflect on the Cortes for their early efforts
to establish the liberty of iffe press. What had not
been said on that side of the House, trout time to
time, of the itnperioos necessity et giving the pest.
ple immediately a free press, to inspire them with
courage equal to the magnitude of the struggle, and
give them something to fight for, worthy the best
exertions of patriots anal of men ! , He by no mewls
meant to say, that the Spanish Governments were
uniformly all that could be wished, he thtl not say
that they had elways acted with perfect wisdom, or
with perfe& propriety, but, he could not see That
they ought to. endeavour to loWer the chareeler of
the existing Government, unless they could'snpply
them, with those qualities in which. it might be
complained they were deficient. The Honourable
' Gentleman had 'said General Graham' ought net to
have been placed utider such an officer as General
La Pena. He knew not why this should be eon,-
plained of. If General Graham thought (without
having .received any peremptory order to that Kett.
from this country) that by ee-operating.wil h a Spa-
nish, General he might be enabled to force the enemy
to raise the siege, and that to that cod it was neees-,
sals to put himself tinder the Spailish Commander,
tie sheuld think it ddlibult to form it better judgment,
of the propriety ot doittg I ban the' officer who had
adopted such,a line of., conduct, General Graltarst
would, train past ,experience, act, With sufficient
(minion tor the time to come. Eves y proper inti-
mation would be given hem to use his discretion
with caution. Adverting again to the censures be,
stowed on the Spanish army, 'he contended s'ach
(eight not to be SQ. peremptorily passed, eot only en
the General Officer, but mi itll servieg muter
him ; more eSpeCiolly, as they had received boat
testimonies ot the intrepidity dkplayed ye-
rions , corps df the Sp41):411 army : ar least they:
ought so pause before they proceeded to give
judgment. '

Mr. WHITBREAD would have been glad to have.
joitied
‘in the exultation of a former eveniog ; happy,
to speak to the merit of General Graham, and
proud to claim him as his acquaintance, but he had
refrained from doing so (and the Right Holt. Gen,
tleman admitted he had not acted wrong) because
he could not repress those feelings of indignation
which were kindled in his meld by the conduct of
the Spaniards 00 the slay at, the battle. His' Hon.
Friend had not meant to attribute to all the Spanish'
army (bet criminal coldness of which he had corn-
planed ; his cursors had been levelled at the authors
of that disgrace. He (Mr, Whitbread) did not im-
pute to the people of Spain a dereliction from her
nour, from patriotism, our from gratitude. He ,
thought highly of them; but their Officers were the
persons of whose treachery 1w complained. ' The
Spaniards wine not wanting in courage.; and he was
sore, that if they had been placed outer Engiith
Officers, like the Pottoguebe troops, that day would
net have been distinguished: by !frit with which it
Was tiow marked—the glory of the English, and the
disgrace of the Spaniards. The Right-Honourable,
Gentleman bad recommended to theca to pause
before they painted a censure; and spoke of the mis.,
conduct of. General La Pena, as if they could have
the opportunity of examining him at their bar: Ho
had said, no grounds were furnished fur such Cen''
sure by the dispatch of General Graham. He (Mr.
W.) contended there were grounds, as, if the Spa-
niards had acted properly, be was certain General
would have been forward to praise them.—
All the private letters received concurred in saying,
that so far Item their having, been assisted by the
Spaniards, they had been misled by thernthe ad-
Vice of General Graham hod not been taLen—the
plan of operations coneeried, had,not been acted
upon by the Spaniards. Through' La Peua ;he troops
of Gee. Graham had been obliged to march for to
many hours. Through him they had not been halted
and refreshed; and through his obstinacy they had
• been forced to go to battle in a shuatioe, in which
no troops but British could have conquered. They
tied bad to face a Superior army drawl, up in' a•
veritable potirion, 'fresh and reedy fur bentei
the British cohlinua were full of unavoidable disorder.
Proceeding lb detail the occurrences of the 6tli
the Urea' Gehtleman stated General La Pane to
have been Within twenty minutes ()Welt march of
the spot where the arteiesLwere engaged; Was it
fit that British Generals and British Soldiers should
serve under each Cornmsndersl The Right Hon.
Gentleman had Said, General 'Graham, had osed Los