The Sun.
London, England, 1842-07-28 00:00:00

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iNIPEP.iAI. PAW lAIIIENT.' ''--'-
no.USb. OF CWI3IO:NS, .lalg 27. 4 I, 1
The SPEAKER took the Chair 6110111 V before Fi.ir r,„,1
o'Clock. .
Mr. B. HUGHES presented a petition fratU..6,cs 113
narvon against the St. Asaph and Bangor Preferinel4
Bill. ,1
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD preSenteat b
petition from Samuel Gordon, of Aungierr•streel,x; i'
üblin, which states that the just and humane'prititlio
ciple, that the Irish poor are entitled to he fed 'on tlitio
soil of their birth, has been violated by the Iri:sl,b V
Poor-law Act, and diverted into schemes. 4,00
buildin,(7, prisons, called workhouses, where. -pp 40
work is to be done. That the English public 10
are deceived by the reports of the Commissioners iiioooo
the belief that the Irish poor are relieved, whilst,:rs id,
truth, the Commissioners devour to a great etoilsllo
those funds, in the support of their own establishmetithg,d{
which ought to be applied to the use of the poor; vary boi
are not relieved at all under the present system. TKO
petitioner prayed that the Commissioners should, tit
abolished, and that in their place a Board of .AudiiOtS 9 ,
should be appointed, whose duty should be limited 10.10
the auditing of the accounts of the Local Beards I.c.f.
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Guardians. -- i'
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition frotk99l
Mr. Cleave and Mr. Harris, against any grant "i:;,,iils4
favour of Mr. Hullah's system of musical educati,o4,} ps
without inquiry into that of Mr. Mainzer. ,, 141
Dr. NICHOLL presented a petition from Caro6-gi'
against the truck system.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petitionll,:_,'64rilif
Bungay, complaining of the grievances under ‘10(10
Roman Catholics laboured. flu!'%ft
COPYRIGHT OF DESIGNS BILL.; i'i li? „
The Report on the Copyright of DesignS Billn,vgelP
postponed till Friday next. ,O
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MUSIC FOR THE MILLION-- ),,,,Alll,,
Mr. ACLAND presented a petition- from ageAl:7l-,0geAI:71-,0
tleman of independent fortune, named Turner, St.#l4l
that he had anticipated the efforts now made filiirtild,',
struct the people in singing, not asking for apilf, 19''
pecuniary reward, but praying that any grant ofilalf
public money might not be applied to any partieu*,
' person or plan, but to the advancement of rnusieahj,
knowledge generally. - .• . - ..;•,'
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NOTICES OF MOTION.—PARLIAMENTAAP::
REFORM, :,,',d
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD gave notices
that, early next session, he should move for lea. Veto
bring in a Bill to extend the Parliamentary Suffrasfeect'
and to make other alterations in the Election 'Llovs,2'.;
with a view to effect a full, fair, and free representr ‘
tion of the people in the Commons' House of Par:
liament. ,
LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND):
The Hoff. MEMBER also gave notice that, ea4o;
next session, he should move for a Select Committeal
to inquire into the state of the law of landlord a11.,4
, tenant in Ireland; also, the system of letting landSlO
' the nature and duration of tenures—and the proper7.o
tion which the rent bears to the gross produce
different districts of Ireland. . :;',O
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THE CHARTIST LECTURERS. .
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE gave notice that to-morrOrg
he should move for a humble Address to her MajesVil.":
praying her to take into consideration the catie of I,',
Mason, and the six other individuals confined i. 1.1 Pti... ~"
; ford gaol, with a view to their immediate- disciist.,
He should also move for the names of all persons Fi,.
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had been appointed to offices under the Board' e•
Stamps and faxes since the Ist of September last.
BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS.
Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice that to-morrow he
should move three resolutions to the following effect :-'-'
First, that if the persons proved to have been gal
of the practices investigated by the Committee of In:
quiry into election proceedings should escape witho!,
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punishment, it would tend to bring this House illf
contempt ; secondly, that the said practices were ..P_
violation of the liberties of the people, and of tay
rules of the House ; thirdly, that it appeared freo',:
what had taken place with regard to r.,,„
elections at Nottingham, Reading, Ipswich, Harwie
Lewes, Penryn and Falmouth, that the present lail
were insufficient to protect the voter, and that there' ..
fore Mr. Speaker be instructed that no writ dp her
to fill up any vacancy in the representation of 1•110e,..11
boroughs till further legislative measures had 1).!"
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. taken on the subject. _ AP •,
LAW COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. -,%',-a.4'
Mr. LITTON gave notice of his intention too
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certain amendments on going into Committee .. :,
Bill. -, • '
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Mr. SHEIL gave notice that he should irlove '1::
clause to be inserted in the Bill.
BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS 81LL..7.i., .ii;';''
Mr. C. BULLER moved that the Order,f3 .1 i,
Day for . going into Committee on the -13.0.,...ra,• ./
Elections (No. 2) Bill he read, on which
Mr. MACKINNON rose to move.thisl-111ht.eir
re-committed that day six months. .114,-.6oiif 1)-0,t,:L,'
tamed two principles which he conceo"- ,-u ~ en P 1,:11151
to be admitted, which principles it had not Y• .-
',., • he, .ttietrai
power to contest before the Conpuuee ~
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fore, thought it right to state his.OttleatißP. .P.',.,* r5l"
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principles before the Speaker -.:leftl-t-Atie;'; t.) ;
He (Mr. Mackinnon) owed his seat in that' ftiii4 'ft
the local and personal influence he poSseised, in :,111,
neighbourhood, and the only danger he ,could 10.0 g
1 with respect to losing his seat, would"be 1)1,009
stranger coming forward and bribing the conitituencYfl•
and thereby depriving him of that influence 41.01:1'
returned him to that House. He said, for the INF.Z.I
pose of satisfying the House, that he had no inter ,S
of a personal nature in the remarks he was about3r
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make. The principles of the Bill which ,be a Wgi
tended against were those which militated; ;.11:11,,,'
against the common statute law of the; 131:*;.'
and next, against the privileges of the, I-Pt,
He objected particularly to the 15th clause, vible-
gave a right to the Committee to examine Alerabrii.
of Parliament, or other persons, on their oaths, o.#:,t;
their own criminality. The principle of that 411_7'.
was contrary to the spirit of the statute law. Ni Fin.'
in accordance with the importance of the subjectl:f;
alter the statute law by. a side-wind—by a clime.
a Bill to prevent bribery at elections, instead 0t..'1,
measure being boldly brought forward, having for .3 7.
professed object the altering of the statute 10-11i'
The next principle which it militated against, 0 ,
that which provided that a Commission should be .14);.
pointed, consisting of three Peers and four Menihe
of Parliament, to inquire into certain cases of bribel:t.
He wished seriously to call the attention of the 1-I°l7l
to the importance of that clause. This clause vi05,.11,
vast importance, as it altered the customs of Pall',
ment. The appointment of that Commission °7O
vested in the Crown, and that was placing it in tijA
Minister of the day. He did not say his Ogsf
Honourable Friend would do so, as they all ko,„er
his fairness ; but supposing they had a Mini%
who was determined by any violence to prevent Po
opponents sitting in that House. Supposing anchor
Minister found the Hon. Member for Montrose ,
the Hon. Member for Finsbury. an annoyance-A,'
(Laughter)—and supposing he wished to abate..lis
nuisance—(Laughter)—he would get up a 1146
bit of bribery in the borough of Montrose of
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borough of Finsbury, and a petition would be P.',-4
sented to the House of Commons, and the buy
of Commons being unable to investigate the )
ness, a Commission would be appointed.—(o!‘
The Commission might be a year making its reF3i
so that a Member might be kept two years froa,,, 4
seat. By this Commission they made a Boarr,,-ii
Record the judge of their privileges, and of all ISF,
held most dear. They formed it out of three V'!'",
one of whom was to be the Chairman, and four gli°
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bers of that House, all appointed by,.,i
Minister of the day. Look for a inurneiivy
the absurdity of that arrangement. They .0,
a Peer the right of voting for a Member of
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ment, they resisted his interference with their ,
leges, and yet by a singular inconsistency they OP ,tf
now to make a Commission, having a Peer f0;11.;0
President, which should decide upon their pri4i,,,
co,
and become a Board of Record. Never was any;
more monstrous, it was the most cote .0
anomaly he ever heard of. And for what (l; 1 •
was it to be formed ? What real objection,.4
they to the Committee as now formed? Thee
objection was this, that they had no systematic nIF iif
of obtaining evidence, for the evidence vvhicil;' je
Committee would receive another would reject. ;.,4,
consequence of that was, that the Reports of -/f,iiiir
A-
mittees on the same point frequently differed.. to
required then some assessor, who would be aillY,Mt
state what evidence ought, and what ought- •a
to he received. Report said—he did not, itaiel
whether it was true—that the Noble
made this Commission for the express purPf")
putting as President at its head a Noble Loill. jig
ex-Chancellor—who was very desirous of Obiail.',l!ty
such an appointment. Whether that was reallii`• ,
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case he (Mr. Mackinnon) could not say, but .. r,
had been whispered in certain circles. Ile ~i,,i.
Mackinnon) maintained that they wanted no tlii-
mission of that sort. If they wanted A ' 5.3:At
rior tribunal, with an assessor to determine ,I',.ie.fl,
evidence should be received and what zejet;eveo
in Heaven's name let Mr. Speaker appoiPtil or
Members of that House, and get a Juut&dir
a Sergeant-at-law to sit as assessor over this ,;.
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mission, and direct the Members what eakijf
and what ought not to be received as evidenef:,,,eo
any differences in the determinations of Comm ifiriolo
had occurred, they had arisen, he was sure, T)tcoili-
any corruption or partiality on the part of
d tn%live.
inittee, but simply from their inability to ;% live.
after the addresses of counsel on either sla_e,..eiect•
evidence it was their duty to receive and what. r.4.-' the
Under these circumstances he wasinaintained,,LP!"
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sotrol- u. senlesest,hbouut
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Commission which was proposed by this Bin .tno
Constitutionif they allowed any one branch
,1_ loch
thothllaytcothnetryarYw'.
gislature to interfere with the other. Ile ri'vt, ,the,
li)nroivreileag.pespre9hfe:l7eioinkc)tifstQhaotf loourd.ses,intra33rferfn
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