The Sun.
London, England, 1818-03-05 00:00:00

MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES.

The Order of the Day having been read for go-
ing into a'Commit tee of Supply, the Mivell.meous
Estimates were ordered to he referred to it, as
also a paper relating to the Fortifications in the
Netherlands.

The House having resolved itself into the Corn-
inittee,
Mr. ARBUTHNOT moved, to defray certain ex-
pones of a civil nature, which did not ordinarily
form pArt of the charges on the Civil List, for a
grant of 500,0001.
Mr. GoRDoN wished to know why this subject
hat! not been before the Finance Committee ?

Mr. TIERNEY thought the comse pit/hoed in
this instance, by those entrusted with the ma-
nagement of public affairs, went to take away
lioin that House one of its best rights—the right
of controlling the public expenditure. Though
the sum was small, the principle which it involved

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was important.,
The CHANCELLOR of the ESCITFOMER said, in
former years eXpences had occurred %thicli bad not
been provided tor, as they could not be foresecn.
The pressure of these, on various departtnents,
had caused some inconvenience to be experienced,
and to guard against this it was judged right that
a ptevious provision Omit(' be made for such in-
cidental expellees as might arise. Ile had no
objection to thke part of the sum now moved for
On account, and refer the consideration of the,re-
maining part of the grant to the Committee of
Finance. lie moved, as an amendment, tilat the
sum of 250,000/;should he substituted for the suns
which bad been called for.

- Mr. TIERNEY thought it was taking a new
course to move for a grant of money i hat was not
known to be wanted for any specific service, on
the understanding 'that Ministers should after-
wards come to Parliament, and spew in what
manner it had been expended.
Mr.ViraaitE showed in what way part of a similar
grant called for in the last year had been'expend-
ed. The repairs of public buildings, which in
the preceding year had cost the country but
8,0001., had in the last cansed an expenditure of
41,000/, He then noticed the expence incurred
on account of captured. negroes, and t' shed for
some information as to the system acted upon with
respect to them.
Mr. ARBUTHNOr expLiined the increase of ex •
pence for repairs of public buildings in the last
year, and also the system acted upon with regard
to captured negrees.
Sir C. MoNcK understood that upwards of
4,000,0001. had been ceined in gold in the last
year. He wished to know if it had neatly all
been issued ? _

Mr. ~W. POLE was understood to say that five
millions and a half had been coined, and that of
this sum 4,200,000 had been issued Irons the Mint
to the Bank.'

The mo►ion, as amended by the CHANCELLOR of
tie EXCHEQUER, was carried.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT next moved tl►e following
grants to be applied in further execution of a+►
Act of the 43,1 of his present Majesty, cap. SO,
towards making Roads. and building Bridttes
the Highlands of 'Selitland, for the year 1518-
20,0001.

Towards defraying the exence of tie
of a Penitentiary House acAliibank, fur the year
1318--f 0,0041.

On the latter Resolution being put,

Mr. Goßnori wished the House to be aware of
the manner in which the public money was to he
expended on this establishment. He understood
that some of tl,e towers had already toilet), an,i
that the grant now made was in part called for
to rebuild them.

Mr. LOCK HAFT Sflid he Would oppose this Re-
solution. The Penitentiary Housts did not strike
at the root of the evil. :fliey mi4ht amend the
individuals confined, but it shad (seen seen they
did not prevent the increase of crime. It was I,ot
in this way large sums should he expended. They
should rather apply themselves to form a vigorous
and ,active police that might prevent the increase
of crime.

Mr. LONG thought the objection elf the Hon.
Gentleman, if at all valid, ought to have been

iirpied helme the plan for erecting Penitentiary
louses had been adopted by Parliament. To him
~;tppeared the es-tablishmeut at Milbank was
likety to answer the purpose for which it was•
wa, trite that sonic of the
•.nivr.ers biad fallen, but it, was to be remembered
•-tivat those who bud! Penityntisty had not the
choke of the spot on which it should be erected.
.The'gron,ol w'as ttich, that at first it bad been
Outfight of building it on piles, but this design had
been ahandoned. The towers which had fallen
h.() I:inited a vet v Part of the edifice, an:l
ltu:ANitto.s had been adopted to guard against a
occurrence, which appealed to he completely

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S:teeessfol.
Atter a few further remarks from Mr. Ati•
lICITIINoT, Mr. BENNRT, and Mr. WYNN-, the
veqs agree,; (o.
The €011,,e: nu; giants were then moved
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To defray the hxpence of the Establishment of the Peniten-
tiary House; front the 24th day of June 1818, to the 24th
day of June 1819 L.11,048 I 2 2
To defray the Expence of Law Charges; fir the year
1818 . .25,000
To defray the Expellee attending the confining, maintaining,
and employing Convicts at Home; for the year ISIS,
L.59,:i63 14 10
To meet the Extraordinary Expences that may be incurred
for Prosecutions, &c. relalito, to the Coin of this King-
dont ; for the year 1818 / .6,000
To defray the Charge of the Superintendence of Aliens, ac,
cording to the provisions of an Act passed itt tke 43d year
of his pre sent Majesty; for the year 1818.. L. 4,895 G 0
To defray the Expellee of the National Vaccine Establish-
ment ; for the year ist%i .3,000 .0 0
To cover the sow that May probably he wanted to defray the
charge for printing Acts of Parliament for the two Houses
of Pat-halm-tit ; for the Sheriffs. Clerks of tI, Peace, and
Chief Nlagistrat es throughout the United Kingdom, and
for the acting Justices throughout Great Britain ; also fur
Printing Bills, Reports, Evidttice and other Papers and
Accounts for the House of Lords; for the year 1818,
/,.17,000 0 0
To make good thit sum that will be wanted fur the deficiency
f the (;rant of
,1817, for printing 1,7 M) copies of the 71st
vol. of Journals of the Hun. House of Commons,

L. 427 3
For the amount of the Annuity granted to the Trustees of
- her late Royal Highness the Princess Chrirlolte Augusta
anti his Serene Highness Leopold George Frederic, Prince
of Cohourg, which would have .aecrued from the 10th day
of Oetoher 1817, to the • 6th' day of November following,
the day of her Royal Highnr;seft-death L 4,655 3 5
To make good the sum wanted for the deficiency of the Grant
of 1817, fur defraying the expence of printing bills, re-
ports, and other papers, b'y''order of the Hon. House of
Comonins, during the last Session L 1,446 15 7
To defray the Expence Printiug the Votes of tile Honour-
able House of Commons during the present Session of Par-
liament
make good the sum wanted for the deficiency of the Grant
for the year 1817, for Re-printing Journals and Reports of
the Honourable House 4.4 Commons L 6,8-24 7
Tti cover the sum that will he wanted in the present year, to
defray the Expellee incurred for Printing 1250 copies of the
General Index to Sixteen Volumes of Journals of the House
of Lords, front the Twentieth to the Thirty-fifth Volume,
both inclusive I .1,969 6 3
To defray the Expence of confining and maintaining Criminal
Lunatics ; for the year 1818 . I .2,777 0 0
For the Relief of American Loyalists; fur the year
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1818
To defray the Charge of tfie.SUpernanuation -Allowances or.
Compensations to retired Clerks and other Officers, for-
merly employed in the,(,)ffice of the Commissioners for Au-
diting tire Public Accopifts; for the year 1818 L.1.,750 0 0
To defray the Charges of fie Superannuation Allowances or
Compensations to retired Clerks and other Officers, for-
merly employed ill the Lottery Office ; for the year 1818
L. 336 10 0
To tiefewy the Charge • iff: the Soperaryination Allowances or
Compensations to Retired Officers, formerly employed hi
his Majesty's Mint for the rear 1818 1.610 0 0
To defray the Charges of the Superannuation Allowance or
Compensation to one of the late Paymasters of Exchequer
Bills; fur the year IPil .
To defray the Charges of the Civil Establishment of Sierra
Leone for the year 1818 1.15,450
Ditto for Noi.a..;&otilt`; 7
13,4,10
I)itto h,r New Soutl(tValis
Ditto fur Upper Canada lO,BOO
Ditto for. New Brunswick-
Ditto tor :N:ewtoundland • 5,485
Ditto'f,r the Isle of St. John, now called Prince Ed-
Ward's Islpo'l
1.);tto for the Itahama Islands
Ditto for Cape Breton
Ditio lei Sue Isle of Domissiea
For bills drawn in New South Wales.
Tut river the interest of Exchequer Bills issued under
all Act. of the 7th Queen Anne ...
ro the grant of 4.89.5!. being moved for the Alien Office,
s!!. M. W. RIDLEY' opposed it, and announced an intentim
of taking the sense of the Committee on it.
Mr. ARBUTHNOI consented to withdraw it for the pre
gent.
The other sums were voted'without observation.
FORTIFICATIONS IN THE NE I'HERLANDS.

:3,760
.... 2,301
2,190
600
83000

1,092

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in risinz to
more a grant nt money towards completing the fortifications
in the Netherlands, had the satisfaction to remind the House,
Char oftitiattely 1 hew might calculate the charge would not fall
on this country. He thought it a matter of great congratu-
lation tri the House, that.hitherto there had been no delay on
the part of the French Government in meeting those charges
which they were hound to bear. Atter a few further re-
marks, he concluded by moving 'for a grant of 7-25,681/. 12s.
ou account of the
.sum of 2,000,0001. to he advanced by this
country, towards completing the fortifications of the Nether-
lands, under a Treaty, signed August 13, 1914.
Mr. WAR RE was not sure whether the Chancellor of the
Exchequer had. stated France to have advanced the sum site
• was hound to contribute towards the fortifications. The Go-
vernment of the Netherlands was bound to advance 2,0011,0001.
as well as the Government of this country ; he wished to
know what proportion of this sum they had advanced?
Lord CASTLEREAGH stated this country, in consideration
of the cession of certain Ctllonies, to have engaged to advance
two millions towards the fortresses to be erected for the de-
fence of the Flemish frontier. Estimates of the intended works
had been prepared by the engineers, which had been approv-
ed by the Duke of Wellington. The contributions received
from France were appropriated to these works as they came
in, and what should remain when they were compacted would
he divided equally between the two Governments. At pre-
Sent France had not contributed all she was to pay towards
them, as-in the first instance it had been stipulated that she
should do this progresstvelyin the course of the five years.
Eugland and the Government of the Netherlands were each
boned to advance stuns not,exceeding 2,000,0001. to complete
the works.-

Mr. WARRE referred to an Article of the Treaty, from
Which he thought it appeared that England was boUnd to ad-
Val iCI any sum not exceeding 3 000 0001
Lord CASTLEREAGH asserted the whole snm the coun-
try was bound to advance was 2,000,0001,
Mr. WAItItE read the Article of the Convention, and asked,
if u der that Treaty this country might not be called upon
for a third million ?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
Article referred to was not very clear, but the object of it
was to secure an advance of 2,000,0001. from this country for
the fortifications. For the cession of Guadaloupe 10001 was
to he given under that Treaty ; aid the words alluded to by
the lion. Gentleman were merely precautionary, that this
country should in no case be called upon for snore than
5,u00,0001.
Mr. IVARRE thought, as the article stood, this country
was liable to be called upon for 4,000,0001. altogether.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, mot the slightest misunder-
standing on this subject had existed between the two Go-
vernments. It was perfectly understood that this country
was nut to advance more than 4,000,0001. on account of the
fortresses.

Mr. TIERNEY said, from. the Treaty it appeared, that if
the 2,000,0001. should he insufficient, this country might be
called upon fur any sum nut exceeding a,000,000t.
The motion was then agreed tu•
OPPRESSIVE SURCHARGES.
Lord LASCELLES presented a petition from certain shop-
keepers and retail traders of Lteds, who were persons of re-
spectability, and who were not much in the habit of complain-
ine of the taxes. It appeared that a very severe construction
had been put on the law for regulatiug the duties on win-
dow.. which pressed very hard on the Petitioners. They also
complained that where they had employed children to shut up

their ivindows, to carry gut 'parcels, or to do any thing con-
nected with their business, it had been attempted to charge
them as servants. These things led them to petition fur sonic
alteration of the law, a, at present the Commissioners to
whom they had appealed could afford them no redress. The
petition svaj. then read.

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Sir ,E•Glt A HAM supported the petition, and corroborated
the statement made by the Noble Lord.
TheI:HANCELI,OI-1. of the EXCHEQUER, stated several
represe,efathins to l.are been made to. the Treasury on the
Manner in which it. was attempted to charge travellers and
others connected with persons in business as servants, and
some measure of relief was intended. With respect to the
duties on windows, there mizlit be more difficulty, hitt the
subject would be considered.—The Petition was -ordered to.
he un the table.