The Sun.
London, England, 1816-03-26 00:00:00

CORONERS' INCREASE OF SALARIES RILL.

can the Report of the etwoner4% Saidriem
Mr. StIMY LEERVItI. objected to the gill as un-
necessary; the present ronutieration was stifli7
cient to inalie the office of Coroner an object
worthy of the Attentio.l of 'Tony respectable cha-
racters, as !night be teen troll) the contest_ which
had recently taLen plur.for that situation in the
county of Middlesex.

Mr. SWAN differiA from the last Speaker. The
-situation of the Coroner fO:.• Middlesex was greatly
superior to that at Coroner for 'Any other
cooteutled, the terfitmeratiuls of the Coraner,WaS
in Many ittitanees ton
,small. it Was of impurt-
ance drool tile office should. he well filled, null its
duties ably executed, • To secure` these objects,
he thought it -necessary that the proposal
crease of salary should be given, us an intlutar
meta to respectable persons to become candidates
for the situation,

Mt. Li. k'tlMSatEl contended, the office was not
sufficiently.well paid, to remunerate a►9y man of
a liberal profession, for giving it the attentiolt
scrupulous discharge of its duties demanded. 'the
Coroner might,sometimes, in waiting for Juries
and evide►►ce, be occ►►pied two or three cisys in
the investigation of one inquest, and for this, his
remuntration would be but 20s. besides his travel.
log allowance. At present, the County rate for
the Curt-ter was. ItCli more than fivelarthings
in the runt]. it doubled, it would be but. two

Mr. .
e-i. W. SmiTn wished to observe, the Petiton
before the 119 use, though
ments 'had been proposed in the Common Coun-
cil, in substance expressed the unanimous seas*,
of (hit body.
The Petition was ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. tßov.r.tt presented certain 'papers relating:
to the *Clerks of the Admiralty; and also hOlne
cOnneeted the arrangements of..(ireenuich.
Hospital, . lifter a shOrt conversation he-
tween Mt. Grolier and Mr. Wynne," were ordered.
to be printed:
Mr. TiieNEY, in the absence of a Noble Friend,
gave nOtice for 'hint, that he (the Noble Lnrd)
would, on Thursday, glove for copies of the Cot-
respondence •bet wren the Noble Lord opposite
(Lord Castlereagh.), mid the Frelleh (4overnment,•
relating to the Bank of lianttiro.
'I'nOMPSON moved fora Return of the names
and the salaries of the Cioniniissioners of Kxeiiti
in London, mot aho of the untidier of days. on
which they attended the Board in the years 1814
and 1815.--Oulerkl.'

Mr. TutaNtiic invired when the riper he had
1110Vei:fiir 011 t*Oriller day, relating to the 1.10uc.,
hold Ti cops, would be produced ?
The eIIANCCLom of the liu:nuctuen was nu..
derstood to say, the paper was expected to be
brought up that clay.
Mr. Tnorarsoti moved for a Return of the
names, salaries, and days
,of ,attendance, of the,
Commissioners of lift: citstnins Loittleni fur the
.years 1814 and 181.5.. Ordered': lie then moved
Jor the mimes u: all the Officers of the Customs its
London, pieced on the auperannillt eft lint,
the last five years, from the 5111 of January, 1811,
to the sth qt January, 1816. He wished in the
returns a description of the places they, had held,
the salaries they had received, their ages; the own-
iter of years they had been in the service, and
the -stint which was to be annually paid to them
fur life.

The CIIANCRLLOR of the EXCHE4II/ERobjeecd to
the 'notion, 'at► account of the extensite inquiry
which would be ►►ecessary tc► rionply with it. fly
the Act of JBlO, tlic persons to be placed on the, ,
superannuated rit were fully dt;;cribed, The oh.

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ject of the Iton. Gentientat he eoileeiVed, Might
tie obtained by moving' for the annual returns of
their names. •
Mr. Toomtlio‘N 'said it ;was his object 14) aiicer;.
taint how tar the Act of 1810 had been carried in,
to ',Get ; if its operation were bßueticittVi and if
the individuals, placed on the sUperannukted list
were entitled to the'rewattit they had oblititted.
The CHANCELLOR of the Exbitztiuritt wished
ilie-llon."Gentirmao to withAraw his motion for
the tuysent, and to look at the anneal accounts,
in ojAcr to see if these would "not answer his por-'
' c '
.111r.7'tlostesoN did not wish to pre“ his RIO=
wlthiltliir it fiiir the pre-
-sent, till be hirdiiiiiketlat tlie`patierS Whith
• hail hien referred."'
The thotiOrs Was then Withdrawn.
TLtE tstimATEs.
Mr. W. WYNNR moved that the 'paper before
the House, respecting. the late appointment of
Sir T. Thonsinu,
,should be printed, In order to
, bring this sitbject before the Ii use, he gave nts-
Jice that on an early day he should move for a
new writ for Rochester. Mile on his legs, he
,wished to mit the Noble LOrd opposite if fresh
i,fitruttes were to Made :on the several heath
ref expenditute, in be room those which had
:been withdrawn )•
Lord CASTLEREACHI said, the object of his No,
sble• "'view) (Lord ralmertston) in withdrawing
the estimates, 'wits to lake an opportunity' of
connection, .the amount olthe reduc-
tionkto be .made in the course ot the present year.
It, sortie of the debates which had taken-place, he
(Lord Castletragh) • thanght, he,had deprecated
!he disposition shown by soutc'of the ,Geniletnen
opposite to consister The; eginustcs am a part. if Llle
I)chtnauctit peace estahlisluneoti-or even to consid
eve esdloseoli,thenr; as,.that which was to
e.onlinue th'rottgliont the resent year. It WRS
tht trtsts cif Goversncut.:to,makeltomediattAY till
the reatiotions which could be safely effected in
'Ow 41.300014 mm as it was their hope to, heing for.
Ward tetimatceltiateriallplitlerentio 'paha of vx..;.
ptttise h (*.future year. Ilia 'in consequence:of
the ilitpositkm which had been manifested to ,ar-
Roc on the Bstimates, 4.,it :the exPenso on them
Were to continue throne) the:whole of the
teat year ''lris Noble Friend bail Wl3betl to with- ,
draw ahem, in order to slew them the various
items before the yettr expired. It was intended
to let the Dilute see (a nearly. as this. could he
clone) Sehat be-the trxpetrse of the cod of
the Year, its well:As:that of' the beArnising. To
stecomplish such a tusk' ivitlt'all (hr A-igilatiCe that
ptiSsibly be eXerted; 'it ears olsvions die
tildrytieeesSaryOutst',take sonic toutitlerablii time.'
A part of th,e reductions contcutplated, from IOC&
cirennietanee ctuthi,not be domplitett at: 'the. cam-
.j.itencement of the year. The object of hfs'Niifile.
Friend, be'. Wishtd it to be undi!rsebtal, /to
spew the 1.-lutist what changes' had been
what Were. now making, and lioliat would
in the 'course of 'the presetWkytar. The' flOase
voted he 'enabled to see ltritvlong grime of the*
eiipeitees which appeared onsthreitimates would
emit lime, It•would be seen 'whit't 'Were to teOhtitl
161' litre(' or six ht what for tit loogerpc-
liud.: its thief' resPe t. the eititnates 'to be .
vvotild go fOrttieitlfan those'whidi had been
altehdy'bcr ore the !louse.. •
Mr. WYNNE express'val satisfaction at the altered
'shape of the I?.St'iniqtes. -The'eOhtte purified afree'
thelicate of 010 or 1'783,'40ti 'data 1802';
and ltdteo- to ItrOduce'estiatiltes rot.rneAftst,
third 'of the year, in order to
sittlible tire" fleiaseliVi edge rif the redact inns which
irktqts paiYydsed tie ntakeAte could wish this had
been Amiens) the p'res,ent Occasion. lie begged
Wl* to a.sk, if any vieW would'be given In die
ilt\Veitiiii3ftSi of the nnmber of General and Stall.
Officers, and Officers of the Oednatice, 'serving
ori•foreign outdone, as had been given of thOsc
ltei.ving at home: If this' were &Me,' he should'
ttitkeeifor'Aititifar returns of the number of OtSders
terVidg Abroad in 179.2 And thiit these
nfighr be' ehwprired %,i'ith the pri4nt
bora CASTIAREAGH 11,npea the honourable
(it IQ 1(4).1 11 fwilsOnti his'ninticfn ff'h the pre.-
tem, Oil his Nol)le Friend had-brottglit forward
hit es: imates„ when lie (Lord Paluteritiin) *mild
take a'n oppoilimity oldiseribing•the reductioos,
to be made on the Foreign its the course of
the present year ; and he did 'tint foresee any. ob.
jeition tits the part of the Noble Lukd 'to the pro'-
thiet!on of the returns alluded for With respect
to. the returns Air the three lirtit quarters of the
ivhich the lion. Gentleman 'wished for, he
dirt not see' that erne be 'given, but those
about to,he brought forward, drool the arrange-
ment' he hid treseribed;''woUldr, he 'apprehended,
answer Ilk purpose.' ' •
Mr.-WiNNe postponed his motion for the pre
sent.

Mr. BENNETT moved for Itetttros of the Dates
tlf the Recorder's lteportit, distiogolAtiog the
tithe vt hieh hwt elapsed from the heverea movie-
rfOtli op to the period of their being made, since
.I,lol,:try 5, 1811 ;rod tilto n Itetoro of the Re.
1, oil made from Jrto'. 5, 1790, to Jan, 5, 1795.
1)411i-red.

tits . LtiiiiiNfrinti, seeing att Hutt. and Learned
'Oet.tletuuts itt bis piney, begged to atic hini it he
•1l noV obit'clital tU postpOtte his ;notion which'

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to irod fur to•morrow, "rrsikrtiog the Exert!! ititrof
1,.,.:,,-.,,14 grahtt..tirto the Tteasory by the 5-ith . of
Ceorge pi, tap. ,I/1, to mitigate the CustOtos
tati4 Excise 1., Iwo ) The various Pipers cwinected
‘Wit'll tli C '.llll/iCet tvilicli hr had tiOv Moved foy
%vele not yer te.oly; and some of them cutdd oat

"prodite:.(l belt re Wednesday. •
Mr. LiGithM IVHS the motion should
be furrlier delayed, More especially sts his Right
Him. Friend had given notice of motion for tlic
ellify open day in the prc,ent week'. If that mo.

tion tre.tt Shave I, hive Np objetlion to

totigq with the wilt) of the Hon. Geotletnitn

posire,
Pitr. AVR'sTP,Tt)I reminded the lion; Gent?man,
t hnt tlieCummittee on the Agricultural Distress

ef the :Country. stood_ fat l'imrsday, Tie,

1)00(11114 wouill be suffered to take pretetleoce of

iiir Order of the I) v.

littOVoll AM was sensible of the paramount
impti liner of the sio ject.jost rrielied to. If the
Ilk.n. Cit.ntleittan diii not think it, might buts well

to put off the till.Mouby; ire would
,►
.
wave his motion, •whicli lee had proposed to tlx for
Thursday. •
-"kkillitut Mr. LiitsHINGTON OfrirOd afew
words on the •sObjeett, which were not, distinctly
heard in the Gallery.. •
'• 13aOuonita,eaMplaitted of the delay in pre-
senting the Papers whichbad been ordered to be laid
-before the -flutist nrchis-motien; But at the same
limehe begged it to be understood, that he was
iinite ready to proceed. with his motion even upon
the ettpers which were already before the House.
L'uititicoTtiN observed, thst the necessary
dine hail not been uffoldad for the printing 'of the
Niters', 'as •the and 'Learned GOileman had
not moved for them all on the same day. He re-
ferred to the House to knots, whether, in Such
.eir-
•
cultist ances, it would be decent for the Hon. Ge-
ntleman to press his motion".
After some 'further conversation between these
Hon. 11eudners,..Mr. BROUGHAM finally fixed his
llotion for isuesday sennight.
On the motion of Me, FORBESi. there was or-
dered to. be laid before the 'lloosei a return of the
moues and 'number of office's of the arMy receiv:
ing pensions for the loss of limbs or for wounds,
specifying the nature of the cases, the mono!. of
their PensioUs) nod the date when they co)u-
nieneed. Also an account of their pensions, and
`the 4ate when they commenced. Also an account
of the deductions made f rain the half-pay and pen-
SionS wouuded officers. in the army. The like
aceottets were ordered, on the, motion of the 'same
Wm. Geoileinan, for the Navy and 11.larine.!.
A Petition was presented from the town of
Leiceitey against the Pr OpertyTax, which was read,
and ord'ered to lie on the table.
COMMITTEE OP WAYS ANP MEANg•
The House having resolved itself into u Com-
mittee of, Ways and Means,
vie CHANCELLOR, of the ENcuscwita rose.—
It was. not his intention 40 take up any iarge par-
thin of the time of the committee, as the propo-
sition
_which• he wished ip sebmit to it was very
110,1 and simple. , fie would them efore confine
him self to a short explanation of the nature of the
measure which he wits Ounst to propose.. The
House would recolluet how the VRViOitS ,branches
of the cnstoms, amid I?,xcise Duties had been aug-
mented and applied during the war. 'Cher would
also recollect that, during the later periods.of the
woe, in the years 1807,180, and 1811, the expenses
of the. Loans had been charged upon these W:a
Taxes. It was,, therefot e, high's; importaot
that the „Consolidated !Fund should he ren-
dered. eve! .to ; heat those changes perm's,
newly. This would be best effectel by eon-.
tinning 'faxes alprt,primed
fOr this purpose by the vote of. Parliament, lie,
therefore, now intended to propose, that the tVar
Taxes, untlt r time heads..ot Customs, should be
carried -to time Consolideted•Vontl, tO tiara), those
,
expences incurred timing the war. Considerable
additions had' beau made to the Duties on
parts, lixports, and TOnnage; but these., with
all the , other It' it Taxes, as they now stood,
would, by the existing Act, expire in.a very; few
numols. It it intention, ttt the proper time,
tr.i prou,,,e to ti! House saute modifications in
the Duties on Imports,. as he believed they were
those
which might he made permanetit• with
`the least inconvenience to the pithlie. With
respect, therefore:, to • the Winne- of the War
'faxes, under time head' at CtiStoms; be intend-
ed they Should b made 'pernrinent, • and
car tied .d. to the' •Cithsolidated ,Fund. But with
,
regtuu, to t,te -otner great, branch—the I.4iXciSe
War Duties, 'MS' iittentioit wait' to' keep then)
separate from the Consolidated Fund ; and al-
though he did nett foresee any exact period, when
they enfoldlie given up,'yet In'OpOs'e
to deiderethetw absolutely. permanent. By keep-
iug Ahem. separste: from the 'Consolidated 'Vilna,
they eould,.from tine to time, be brdaght before
the..-House, asset receive such modifieations as
might. bethought convenient. For Atte present,
therefiovi hit should ouly ploppse to continee,:the
I:4+eiseWar Duties for it period of the years. At
the saute thne, he HMV say, he Ban" no catty pros-
pect of being able to }five; ttp. thOt‘e duties.- He
had Smile measures in contemplation, for the pur-
pose of tepressi nq s inoggiittg, k.s.f inch he hoped would
have theeffect of milking this branch of the'reveauti
Considerahlyinoreprodurtive. It was not his inten-
tion' td propose any continuation of thcadditional
ditty on Nit& ; and, in conseptence of the eessa-
tion of this duty,• some regulations would be ne-
cessary tor the convenience of the trade, with.a
'skin to the repayment of the' duty of the stock
on hand when the Act would expire. There. was
another reason why it was advisable to separate
the 'excise: thitiei tom the Cotisolidated:Fund;
arising front the loss which would be occasioned
to the Public on the amount of the current' (knits,
front the way in which time taxes going tti the COrt,
solidated Fund,were paid into the'Exchetrier, The
whole estimated amount atilt War Excise Duties,
deducting the additional Mali lint y,waS 3,800,0001.
that of the Ctistoms, 2,700,0601; Although
wou;il notinoii, go into any general financial state-.
rerun[, •he ought mention. to the Howie; that' al.,
thong') they had thought proper to reject that sys-:
team of tieante which appeared, in his judgment, to
be the, best: yet lie had no intentiOn of attempt hoe
to substitute any nen, taxes to replace that of
willed) he had, been deprived, nor to.provide for
the, eXpenses, of army loan. lie should therefore
attempt to 'defray the expense of any stone Which
might .he hot:rotVell in the &nurse of.the year, it;
such is way as to peeyent Any material pressure
upoO the money market. With, thii view, iloriog
the' present year, it -WO most desirable to take •no•
thing froM•the Sinking Pita.. flaring given Such
short explanations as he thoUght were necessary„.
be Would' conclude by maving the 'ifesolotion tti
whip!) he anticipated. no objection. The'lteiolu-
lion was then rend :--

" TWO, it is the eionion of the Committee, that the Invent
Duties of Customs, directed by the Act of the last Session of

Parliament to be continned till the Stir day of July) 1811, be

blither continued and 13141.10 permanent."

Oti the question being put,
Mr. TlkitNEY said, that ail he gathered from
the statement of the Bight lion, (holt!email was,
that having been driven by a thzition - Of, the
House out of his fnvourite post, he two% intended

to'supply the deficiency by attempting to impose
suw burdens upon the public, and to deft:ly the

expe'li44 of it. loan 1110411:lir:ea:lions of t-itne or
!the existing dr.ties.
The CH A NCIII.L.Ott of the,f4XCLlOUlta said; that
he had certainly stated' that he' slid not mean
propose any Ailtat measure of takPtion, but to tie-
fray the expenee of ,such sems as rt he ne.
cessary. tit horrow, so as not to charge it upon
tha Sinking Fond, It Could be done therefore by
the modification olsome of the Criitilig 414111ei."-;--
He was sisre the Ho* Wmild think, it beit by
keep entire the 'Sinking Vont! ; and *hen the ',jun.-
tion was as to the
,pre,servadon of the Binking
they .were at least bound to dO
rb
for the •supprirt of the credk durino4 the pre-
sent distress of the 'country, as not to touch that
•Fiullslesir, hear !) • ' •
Mr. 'I lERNEL—As they were not noilr going
Antis the details of the Budget, he, did NM feel him-
sacidled upon to give any opinion, on the general
statement of the 'tight: Bon. Gentleman. He
could only say) that he was very, happy to End that
the Right Hon, Gentleman had nut carried into
effect • that terrible' revenge with Which he had
threatened the 11411se in the shape of new taxes,
in case they dared to reject the ,l. rOpertyTax.--7lt now appeared that this threat bad been a mere
fitutism fdl9ten ; and he would say 'this of it.,
that of all. the propositions that lie had, ever
heard, it would have been the most foolish---
As• to the question now before the Maui, lie saw
no objection to.making the Customs War unties
permanent. It was an arrangemeot from which,
Ile thought, no Inconvenience could result, and
it was one to which the faith of Parliament •was
pledged by its votes, as to the loans daring the
ivar. As to die other 'branch of tile: revalue, the,
EXcke, it was , for the present only Intended to
continue.the War Duties for five years, and the
annual prothice of these (in round numbers) was
estimated at four millions. Ott Object-there
Was an old battle between lsiinself Mid the Meta
Hon. Gentleman s end he still maintained that,
with regard to this part Of the satiji:ct, the Right
lion. (jenticroan did not look the situation of the
conntry'fairfy in the face. lie had no contideaCe
in any .contemplated erraogements for, the pre=
vendors of smuggling, as none of those which had
already bt;en adopted, stmt whicii; before. -they were
actually tried, had .bee.,l declared Qiitlible—nay,
the increase of. the Revenue to be thereby made
calculated upon iu the, IVays nod, Meails far the
year; after all had cods ely failed. ,F,l;:w could :my
arrangenients be good against smugglers 'who cal-.
eulated•that they coal haire good prolii'hy saving
nneelit gamic of seeen' Ile could not., therefore,
agree to allow the, Right • Hon. Gi.litlessisio •to
carry on fay five years no c.xpet'i,meot,iii, tya.rfare
with smugglers. It would he better at once to
to appoint a 'Committee to inquire into the sub..
jtfct, for' the. purpose of stipplyiug theur,elves
the House with the necessary ,issforntation. ilc
begged the Bight Hon. Gentleman to torn this'
snineet In his mind.
The CHANC'ELLOR of the EXPHEGUER.-.-lie
begged eositively to disclaim the imput atom con,
Wined in the first part,Of the speech of the Right,
}lon. (ieolleatan, as to a threat of .imposing new;
taxes in 'elmc the Property prix WAS 11,0 t cominsi-
ed.;-;.-No such threat. had, eVer:,lieen held taut, lsy
Whai he had said about Was, that die
last seasion he haul propOsed-certain additions io
the assessed, totes, pail of ;01ich had been agreed
to by Parliament.; Had as. to the rest hie had 'saitl
that they could afford no' adensiitte substitute- lot
the Property Tax ;. thertfin.e pr..,4srd.rlie'Prof
perty. TaX snore earnestly upon .the House, be-.
Mille there Was Uo tax Yvhich could, in his opi-
nion,, be substituted for it'. The war Ex-else taxes
fornueut the available brar.ch of the revenue which
waslelt, and be certainly did think, not ws'ithstand-
Inb opinion of the Itight<llML Goo lemasi (1l r.
Tierney), that' by_ vigilance mid Activity no.ch
might be done for diesrepreSsion of Snoggling,
tit eveli liopest; that by sOnie arranesoteois '‘‘'l4l.4,
were intended., in .the way ofincreasing the, power
of the revenue °Wert), .th 4 it might, ultuust be,
entirely put an end to.
Mr. PtiNSONBY to observe; that 'so . far
ache understoMl they were nisiv to proceed upon
an opinion, that exact , the . ex-
sanie
pense was to he incurred.by die country, as, had
been propirseithefOre the decision of the Hoyle
on the Property Tax. . So, far Its' he Ullitert.(iod,
the Loan•was ro.he exactly the amount at, which
those takes' Wad been estimated' which' were now
giieo Ile wished to know itlie was :seclir-ate
in thus 'understanding the-mutter; because it it
was not lutes-ids:4 to incur the same 'eineuses, in
the shape' of a loan, as in the shape of taxes; he
shOuld be very happy. B 4; UtiderS;DOil it was
not so.; that no diminution of expenditure was to
be made; that a
,loan Was to be made to the
onsontit of the taxes discontinned,. the Cherges of
which loan were not to be defrayed from • the,
Sinking Fund, but, the. modititatiOn• Of. certniii

taxes.
'the CRAMCKLIMA, of the EXCIIRIWER.—The
R ig t Gentleinatt had certainly understand
Lilo rightly. The gpestipit of expenditure Was
one which must rest can its oWn grounds. 11Go•
vernment proposed any expense which was on-

necessary, as soon as it was shcwn how it &mid
'be 'avoided, they would immediately, give it up.
It wus the duty of the I-louse to watch this ; but
he did not anticipate any greater reduction thaw
bad been alreadyThadc., It svai-etrally.the duty
of the House to watCri, and Of the tiotterndient
to eiirrect any thing in the *expenditure Whieh
Could be avoided, consistently with the safety and
interests of the century. lie did ellow that a
Loan might have the effect, :of.= enOunraging
pondittire in the Government, because it was is
Mode 'of raising money, withont any immediate
pressure upon the country ; bin he IniPed that' in
the present instance it would !mire ho such etfeet
upon the measures or Govertiment—that it would'
not prevent them front cutting otf any expenSe
which could be avoided with safety to 04 nation.
—(deer, hear, hear !),
Mr. PoNsoNuv said, that as be had rightly un-,
derstood the Right iloomitable Gentleman, the
case waS Stlortly this—that the country must still
start! under the mine estimated eapenses as those,
proposed at the commencement ofthe Session, and
ther,e watt tor he tit, diminution whatever :in the
supplies.
Mr; Hosmszot.r—it appeared to Itim.that
Right lionoura4le Gentleman who spoke last bad
evjgouittlad two, things nu less diittinct lbw, a

tninmitive of Supply 'qui a rNunisirite • or
and Meant. The .duty of the ItO4Se of Cola-
rontli was, to ivateli' the Supplies. IVllett,
tliete *ere :gi•anted, it rras thou fur the Musa
to consider of the Ways uqd 111caiii, for ra;sitte:
the Supplies.- the Right Hon. Chancellor tb%
Exchequer had entert'ained and expressed a hopc-
that the ekpeniliture-of die coiintfy mi4ltt he di,
thistished to the extent of nine millions, and he!
for one, was sorry that this littike been 041"
.A,(,)i9tFd, 1, As tomi Sue')ly•,
the .I.louse 07.14
sure wonldilitenilietitively licoulter
tfultl4 point out what reductions eokllki I),a
1114 e. When the LitiliyilE4i.ilit.l been yotedi
it wds, in his opinion,/ iniitotsiirile .Inc.!
inert
expeiteein any better,Vray than that propoied
his .tight Sion. Friend the Chaucellor of rise Lx"
chequer. Lie would ask the .13,41111
.i°n!tnliielpinraense°nPtPs°tiltiteet'ifwitlleriehe'esrtalb)'elisleZei.V:--i'e4Wt.4ll,
reductions were making as fast as Possible-wiic:
thee there was any way .for providing Ole -"In!
Eiviired fur the expenditure of the year, hear(
than that which had been proposed
? The uncle-
nary revenue was certaiuly not stArient. A km",
or liPtnething equivalent to a loan, was the unit
Wise plan.
r
Mr. PONSONBY observed, that he.niust-lotse
so malty years in the liouSe to very little potpostl
if lie out not know the tlificrence lit:
tween a lan"-
mittee to
Supply unit a enwittee of Waysand
Mean,. What be had said 'was this hat the
Antonia which the Finatiac Minister c41C:":"
latell Upon receiving front the Property ""il
T"xe'4,' be POW intended to supply bitvleif
wroth
by meattS•of a loan. Now, as far as he ontier
stood the Argument of the lti;4ht Hutt. Geolletmut
who spoke last, it went to this----that since tbs
w hols• tt4ie niillsoh , cOuld nut be PAcii, 011
were to save none. Tliete was no eptotion tll3,
the ordinary revenue would not cover the ex peas,es
ni the Tliciu mnint of the Loan was t"
question.
Mr. liustussow said that the House 1%003'
now discussing the Loatt.7---it wits not itt a c°l4.
Mittee of Supply.
Mr. liAargo.thotiglit the most important tans'
ileratina fOr the House present, was the 59E1 (.
made by • the Chaotel'or of o,e gs--
chetpter, that heanst: the House had rejected :01
odious and 'oppressive "tax, he .uroold take
that sniutthing slfould be made.
.to, ""(1
therefore lie adopted measure to press Wm iOll4ll
tripliln"l‘tilieo:l;jl:oll)iclie learsgtdlitu.sisi:leldlet bßnitgt;th.oHintie,.vit':llll::;
talked of a 1:040, Illistiii)k.thr Committee of Vi•!lrs
andNte4ns for a Committee of Supply. Now" ";?.
seas twist to be complabiell of• in the system
iNittisters, was, that the. (.141,4, wits wade itirst.to.
vole e
i3it.iric),iiseispi,vwoi:thstunictilittorsokeixti;eantdtithielreta,ello9
►
'orf't \s‘''lntv'ts4ea'tltitli ttAttleeritiClSPr.".illsltri4sri:%l•la) contrary'tlieCiat%tlvOilittitt:::ll4l:
the, mile i of,pro;jc'oc,e. ; contrary to the practice()
every private, who., if lie. had spy
(Tons •in the management of his affairs, alorrqg
lriotttel tu,hiS tnetinS: before he resolved
,to. 444
rmy expensi... How.eMildoite,flonestiO.ol4,"'illtsP.,Y.
degree -of sense at •estimates,Ontil it knew 1)"4
taltch thil,,emotfriT'CAsUld ? It W,is tio.e scea
that tite,se rsttraiwteit ,could nett lie, Volta ivitito:lll
11,qi•ng recottr,se,to an inrolerahle,tax cu the Uric
113114, or a measure to, injure the public
,or quit oil
the othey. Howe.ver, there was this result front
ba;l bge,lt stittill by the Chancellor, of the
Exchrquer, that there was Ito sJlVatioti' for the
country but pit looking at the c3timato.witil
eqn,iption.that..retrinelktnents,wete aljetAtitglyno
cosary.
Lord CASTLE ft CAC it.—. The view of thle (reStion
1:161-'11. •Lty. the [lan. Cieutlemho
‘svv?o4o s
r!po
i.stallerft,it
it?;i., for l'rrrliamriit loot,
tidtc, fur the.
mune of ascertaiitiog what was necessary ontior
the,tl present circumstances
yeilic'auxmosrti.ltiliteees'N.l7ll;t'the
xc',ousi:ll,reyt.harilta-l!:';
w Ce continued or. removed, there svactittsfr°
duty on the. House to narrow. the expenditori^Os
to!telt.as, was consistent, with safety. The ePt".'s
tious now to. be Made k-y.tbc-country,Ouglit. tR
be proportioned, as well according to its _mean*,
as. to, its' interests. at home and • altroad• • Tlit
iessei tt")ti;I:Ot:19ollyV of t
o,:ti.eisnti 11;: c
12-oriost:ttPt g9oltifrtY.elixttpt
sthe
- with • safety to the nation. fie therefore (I"
invented such Q gloomy view as that taket"br
lie, lion. Gentlentau who spoke lot, •';"Y,11.4
that_the country was reaticed to such. egtreintty,
that certain expetiSes could not be afforded. Ft'r
the question must always come back' to tlar""
what is necessary—.-teliat is. re mired for our sat_
ty—wlitit is intlispeu-ible for the preservation cir
our national exstence and independence ?-.7-1.11.4:
tlonse had already,v9ted iipplies for the,APO:*
and also for the ..eneral expenses of the NaYr.-
cultu
ssCivil branch 0f tl►a,t~
sstieiiittivratilait):iif:o:::).:.l,l,,NL:oofttio..ll),:xli:igiel4eN-I:A:ba‘re,:ulcittyiltnitelfter,clott.iintia:t
Knee on the Conciipe
occupied---from the necessity of keeping up t he.ator'
he
my at home net such a scale as was revired for th
ifcr
ihn=
nr qt. rept: (01 ite:trtsys c,Ptoeit
relic( of
tro,ops abroad: I.lt was impossible to re4.'":
tote an immediate redaction.. to a greatcr extelt'
than had bk•en mink. Beyond this they could onl/'
make arrangements -for more extensive retloctions.4
next year. These arrangements had
.been.niachw
-although Government bad thus itt view _ninny r",
auctions (lie did not
-mean reductions to be Insai'
ill consequence :of any recent decision' of
House, but such as had beets long in Corit'empor
Cori), Which
,w,initl
,be made in the course. •
year, but few them could he.tnatle immediate.
ly. And here it was that those on the apposite.
side of the House acted .unfairly, by arguiPg:"l:,
if.thoseexpenseiwere to bilutrinatient,
were' only temporary. It was certainly ti."
thaf_with. the peace_ fell the great elipenses of to!:
war. By reducing second battationsoorio,",g
.
military departments--*the militia Ada estitbii'l..l;
mem* at homeconnectedwith the arrtly.-4-all
expenses which could. immediately be avoided, b
iltl
been ant off. The duty which Nlinisters bad t.„
one )4/00'
that
It was there:ore altogether ofok.to
InPielcirecefa:tsrearnar-ia°l;tl;eti greatl';ti
10: rt:ts partsi
:1! dor. fic: ; •

1 • •
41101141,iftak,.aliP.
;_tike armtwiliguys ,ratcre ht.fra.tit the
liouse at toresent,, he tierce ed in the strungtist
Illattner it" that they were
Vogt:raid ,n.eie.tv to prevent any farther re'
!) As JO the opera.
ot these arrangements on the fitianciaNitua-
'liou-of tlietontrv, the .1.-1011;e would have the
ift• oiler Sqiiirittunhy of discussing it. What he
statce:ou subject reductions
was, that au account of the reductions made in
*le public-tit/ices tvould be laid before the Htittse
torju...g the 4iter%emt.Sgssi.:u. , this account
ttld not 'be- made so satisfactory as was to
'be wished, because .it would 0111 Y .come "P to
.011" th 'iliOtiary last ,-which• was the latest date
whichAltis accatint was by the Act required to
le made tip. Since Jilllliitiy great reductions bad
%e'en made', and against the mouth ut July they
\triiplol be matte to a much greater extent. In an
ittOmit which he proposed at a: tuturc time to
,lay before the House there woolol be o statement
hot only of the redectioos .which had beeu made,
but also of those which were intended. At Soon
',as those coMplicated ;111(11,,borions ineestigatiOns
Ittoafigaryter %lie to:tail:lg such tot account were cont.'
plet.esl, he eltarged himself with the thity. Of moving
that this document should be laid before, the,
House. Ile' challenged froth the other side of
the, lititii.,evtl•yr4...trinisition for reductiott. (Hear,
bear,. hear!) But he deprecated any such state-`
merit as thatalte comotry. WAS.ao reduced as to be
unable to make odtiquale arrotogeottents for its in-
terests and safety. -All that he wished was, that
the liotoc toned go into the examination of the
subject lvith these two great principles preising
tin their intones. Ist, That the greatest itolsible.
rt.tinction:s should he made. (Loud shouts of
hear,,lteati!)---2,1, That the great interests of the
'tallith shook, not be ptit•itt risk by mistakeu and'
ploonty*:views of our situation. Referriog to
witat.bail been said at an early period of the debate
on the subject of smuggling, he maintained that
• ettperieoce.proved, that by making More effectual
arrangentOnts for the prevention of this practice,
the reveling would he very niaterinfly increased.
In conclusion, he would exhort the. Ilouse never
to l'o'se -Sight Of the two great principles which he.
bad ,mentioned—go pulite economy in every pos•
Bible way, nod not to be deluded by any state-
ntent that the country was so to oken• down as to
be ineap4ble of. providing for its own safety:—
, .
(Hear, hear, hear !I
• .Alt-. TotaNitY ckt•ttiett .that Gentittudli' on Lis
, 'side of the Clouse took a gloomy view of the
si-
tuation of the coontry. All' they wanted wiro,
tit* ittery t ethics' on' should be•intoe, and
they vitt that the situation of the rollaty re.
Ttsilat. ecutuntly. Jile would' be gh,,;(i- to know
howtlong the ,Noble Lord bad-het:xi in his eeono-
Inked lit 1: lid, beheuedt. that Mouse owed the
change in the Noble Lord al..nost entirely, to the
Ilottoutahhe Aletti'leer for'
,Beffhlk (Mr, (L.,uch),
who with a land'aceti artune which, it it had"
cattle ,frmitt teat other side -of , the Rouse, the
Noble L;isrcl. at oittld liaVe called clamour,' halt told
Nittl,,tei.e.), that nnlcis! they. adopted measures of
at- ti!Witsly they would not have his ..support . It
.1a front that time ..theNoble. Lortlbad thiS iii,
"Oleg lie foulitiecrotiony and °thee- were two.t Wogs
'which could no longer be separated.. 'When to
.11.slublehn-bolivirleltl as lihnsttlf haul attempted. to
4tersuade tfie Nithre.tiorti.l9 take naCk the Army,
'Ngoiniareis• and ' frame thetn, on a more redneed,
stale, he .seas told very; positively that,they would'
sips he sent, lint, after ell,glte.y..hati been taken.
bitch ;, and now came the• Noble. Lord; eltalleug-
ing propottals' for ecottonty.and retrencittoeitt front-
al:lay side,.and promising-to bring,hack *titivates
tai tired House. which would delight- tisete very
heaeis„ In, ,about. half, an•hour. the. House would,
Anvil/. to cotisitler. the, Navy Estimates, mutate!)
he,wooldeltOiv, thens the Noble-Lord's economy.
These live estimates whicit• bad: not been sent
in, 'the ,very ,first item litt«would skew,
Ilsost in t he &shut-semen' s front the Treasury. there,
bad • been an increase,. of 10,0001.. Economy,
Point by point, was: what he-askeol of the lloesey
eskest.t hem not to- be,so be,otted• antl,golled
tsit,to telte.the. flourishes. and recantations of the
. Notsle bunt, bat to .watch ittost giarrowly—togl•s-
Charge their duty.to theirconstittiouts as they had'
alteady. done, and by ,doing.whielr, tiro y irad ob-
'gained a stronger-hold, upon the grffectioos of the
people; thaniterltapp any preceding Parliament.
• " SMITH spoke in favour of the strictest CCO4
numb, and noticed the several symptoms of great
sustioual distress.
-Mr, THOSPsott wished, to. know., .whether- he,
VMS right in miderstandiug the Chancellor of•the
Exchequer, to have guild, ,that the hitt:Pest of -nor
iaiv loan: %imago beitletrayed by sorne.modifieat knit
'0f-existing taxes,, that is to say, by ,some additiors,
to,theAutyon.impurtutions. He was not aware,
Pet ti,entereatit ile iuterestwoutdlastveunyobjection
toisuch, an arraneementialtilottgli they we, e at pre.
sent.,suffering .the most severe distress; perhaps as -
severe in proportion-Qs glie.AgriculttiraVluterest:•
At, all events he hopedhe understood rightly, that
the ,11(ight Hon. Gentlemen did not mean to touch
thst. Sinking Fond. IVhaterter, difference of api-
hiote there might be on.otliee subjects, arty must
tilestirce,, that to' have. Made any encroachment
'/Ots,; this Fund:, especially :at such Lt-time, would
L»yeptoducedghe worst eifects.r.wonla losers dug
Pf*ted-tlee resent, distresa by injuring the public'
crCylit.. ;Ile' hoped,Parlitinient would continne its
exertions in the way ad retrenching the pubic -ex,-
IMO:tares
The, CHANCELLOR, of the, EXtITEQUICR re-
pe.alcil,that.he thought it most important net to
enCrOaCh, tipon Sinking.; Fund this. year ; -and'
therefore he Meant to defray the charges of,' the
loan,-by modifying some existing duties.
Mr.,GIt4INPUIL. wished to know if, it was. in.
teutled. to. remit the .ditty On the stock of malt on
Iliqtl tit the time the Act:eXpistd- •
-11 he CilloccLi.oit of the Exciterruea saitl be
'tguilell to init'UtlOCe a Bill for the repayment of
the duties on the stock of. malt which individuals'
111Vglit haye ou hand at the tittle of the expiring of
the ittx on..the otli of July.
Colonel Mon hoped that some niodification
adult) be made in the tax oti hisuses, as it affect-
td little fat mers cif 11101. a year orient.
' 14r* P. Ainorta expressed sotrriie that the
el:840140f thg Exchequer. had nut toiw brought
I.l"ward jai tsneral state:lll6a of the Supplies;
11"
Wni4 -and Means fur tilt year. lie thuuirift

11:e itott.fe enht trot to tticetre oY 'lTstrzt,t(ll4ny
such rartiali statement till they had, the wtiole
',lPlart, as the -Only view with Which. Et could hitve
been.made, must be toget.ft substitine for the In.
yotiut Tax.,
. Mr. K.. FINLAY thought that the only practical
way of atiordii,g relief to the country was by a
diminution of the public expenditure,
The (ANSE .1011 was then put, and the first Reso-
lution carried without opposition. .
The second lfesolution was then moVed,:"ktliat
it iS the opinion of the Conintitte&, that the War
Ditties ot. Elicise, which by the Act of last, Ses-
sou would expiry iu Jilly, 1816,.should.be farther
continued for a time to be limited, excepting the
War Duty on Malt."
This Resolution was also carried without op-
position.
The Report of the Committee was ordered to
be received to-m,orrow.