The Sun.
London, England, 1816-06-01 00:00:00

Mr. W. Sltyrft reM2 t', sCC Lin the mmion of •
Lb Hon. Friend, lie lntd Neer; among the tore-
most to oppose the renewal of the Income Tax.
When a motion was sithsequently.inade by a No-
ble Lord for the repeal of another tax, lie sup-
ported the motion, not from a wish to embarrass
.Ministers, but because he thought that the repeal
'lt the tax would be highly beneficial to the coun-
try. lie however must now say, the deficit ,Which
the Gentleinfin hurl shewn to exist in the
reecnue, as compared. with the expenditure of the
nation, was so great, that any inaccuracy which
!night be detected in the statements of histtli)-
, ',minable Friend could not match holly alter the
gloomy view which had been this night presented
to the House. It was of little or no impoitance'
that three or 400,0001. should be dedneted froth
the deficieney in the re'enae, or, even' three or
four millions. This- would not materially alter
the case antler their consideration. if the nation.
could not be relieved to nearly the innount of
I 5,000,000/.. he did not see that any alternative
would remain but to take that course which many
co..templated with so Much alarm, and, as he
thought, unnecessary dismay. He wished the.
liouse-to consider if there was anyway of..meet-
ing the difficulties.sliewn to exkt.short of that Jo
which he had alluded, and which, he repeated it,
did not appear to him that' which ought to be a.
subject of such extreme alarm. •
The ,CBANCELLon of the Excnectneß did. not
see any thing in the present string 9: Itesolutions
which had been submitted to the House, mate-
rially Oft:ring train those which had commonly
been brought forward at the close of a Session,
containing the most gloomy predictions, not ,aith-
standing which the country continued to
flourish from year to year, lied had at length
triumphantly terminated the contest in which she
was so; long eri,...r,aged. The difficulties now to' he
encountered did nor appear to him very. formid-
able, when compared with 'those which the coml.,
try had already surnionnteik and he confidently
truste'd means Would be' limn& without thinking
fin a mOnient tsf httvin reedorse to that extreme
nteastire.suggeStedthy the Honourable Seconder
of the motion—that of breaking faith with the
public credi•or.- '.1.6 a proposition so void of
justice,
as well as wis-Uuti, he. was satisfied
the House could hewer listen. The shock such

a step Would give to the solidity, and resources
of the country must es cessarily be such, that
be was CO.fitlent the loss that would% be. SUS-
'shied would gratly exceed any gain that' could
be (ruin it.' The'S: ockholders, in common
weir h at her :Subjects, were entithml to have their
property protected ; they bad been Most useinl
to the State, and had patiently borne their fell
share of the public burdens. ()nee for all, ha
thought it his duty to oppOse any stw:gestion like
that which had been thrown out by the Honour-,
able Gentleman ; and lie trusted it would he Ott.;
VeCeSSary, not , only now, but at any future pe-
viod, to enter into any further statement of this
Ile did rtOt think it necessary tr,:folitiw the
Hon. :And Learned *rifleman (Vls. Grant) tliron ,
the details into which he hail gone. Whet is r
service of the present year had been met by tier-
Snallent or casual Ways and Means, it had been'
met in a manner satisfactory to the ..House ;' and
be could not but congt4tulate limit on the man.
nee in, which the difficulties Ministers bad to con-
tend with had b,emmaniounted, after the 'great
change made in' the. plan which had first been
brought forward. The lion. and Learned Creutle-
man assumed, as 'the basis it all:his arguments,
that the expenditure of intone yejira would biz,
squat to, that ot the present. What ruight be the
charges to be borne in future years, neither the
Uouourahle Gentleman nor he (tire Chancellor
of the Excheyter) could say ; dud therefore he
'thought it
.by no means neee•sary that a view'
of our future expenditure, which so many cir-
cumstences,might occur to changes should now
be gone into. The smeljness ot the savings
made on the estimates aft erthey had been brought
forward, proved that the house had not been
greatly dissatisfied with the propositions 'of Mi 7.
rdsters. .The,stims voted for the service of the
Is:evy in the present year amounted to 10,104,0001:
those tor the Army to 10,567,0001. lie might
ask the liOn. Gentleman if he thought, when he
aretell that no reduet:ons of importance multi be
expected its future years, that we were to keep
up a Navy onottr Peace Establishment that would
cost .thecouptry 16,000,6001, annually. If similar
questions might 1.1,e asked with respect to the other
service. 1,4 e showed, by referring to the state-
ment which he had made on bringing forward the
Uudget, that the dela. Of the United Kingdom
%Arnold be reduced to the alumna of 3,000,00 W.
in the present year, and he would ask the lion,
tjentlernan wliat objection he could urge to the
Sinking Fund being made use of for this put-
pose Upon the whole, he contended, that a more
cheering piospect opened upon us now than what
was. before the country when Mr. Pitt commenced
his brilliant Administration after. the close ot this
American wee... He shoved, that instead sit hav-
ing fallen off, the revenue had com:Aderithiv
in-
.creasecl within the last year. He declined pledg.
lug himself as to what the future expenditure of
the country
,should be, and still less would he
consent that the House should so pledge itself by
adOpting these resolutions. Front the appearance
of things in some parts of the country, it might
have been expected that the produce of,the unties
tow in operation would have been diminished.
This had unit yet been found tO have 'taken place,
and at present it was impossible to say whether
they would fall off or increase ; should the mea-
eurefall off, the House kneW they hatl.the re-
wetly in their own hands. He conelutled by
ittoving the previous question.
Mr. PoNsoti SY thought. the House. Was obtiged
to the Hon, and Learned Nover;for the accurate
spit able statements of our financial' siteitiOn;
which he had laid before it. Their, accuracy was
roved by the silent acquiesc'ente ot the aight
.I-lon, Ggut Leman_ opposite, wholhad disputed none
of the accounts. He only disputed the condo-
sk9us which hatl_been di it it.ll front them ; and those
conclusions be (Mr.' P.) teal afraid would be
fmnal HS incontrovertible as the figures on which
theyvvere hounded. It was a fact that could not
he denied, that we could•uot meet Ole PcPeodi-
Sale of eext yeat,without a -great ,-deticiency of
Vns'.kand nitmnr. Whether that deficiency aWount-
.or only 13, or only I°l %,"5 a

no.itcr of conseiltsenrej st,lce Ithy of these'
sums-wm&Fhe allowed to he'enormous and alarm-
ing. FS? thivevil the Chancellor of the Exche-
cuter, however, had a remedy. That remedy he
did shot explain, .hut as. he had detette.d:the re-
medy of his Hon, Friend (Mr. W. Smith), so he
(Mr. could, he thonght.. divine hit,: The re-
medy otHthe Chancellor or the Exchequer was the
Property Tax. He had charged his Holt. Friend
(gr.-Stuitb) with despondency, but he would ru•
titer have 'the despondency of his Hon. Friend
than the joy of the :Right -Han. Gentleman.—(A.
laugh.)-;--He never despaired of the -state, of the
country ; but as our wedlth constituted ,one.of the
chief elumeas of our pptvbr and grandeur, if-we'
wished to maintain our position among the.na-
-tions,,We should husband our resources, and pray-
. tise economy. He thought his Hon, and Learned
Friend's Rei4oltaions should he carried, or that
he should takelhe sense of the Hattie upon them.
Mr. TIORNEY eXpresSed his satisfaction at the
able and accurate statement presented in the
speech of -his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr.
Grant), and he congratulated the Country and
the HOUSe 00 the talents and information be bad•
'displayed. The Right Hon.•Gept. (Mr.,Tierney)
entered into various statements to support the
calculations.that he hld formerly made, and those
this night brought forward, He would recom-
mend a Committee next Session to take into con-
sideration the financial situation of the country.
At present We knew nothing .but what the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer chose to cotuTunicate.
At the end of the American wdr, the Chancellor
of the Exchequer had said, -we were in a worse
situation u.,th to finance that at the end of
, this; but it should he recollected that at that
time wt' had. Mr. Pitt for Finance Minister, and
now we had the Right Hon. Gent —(A laugh.)
• Mr, COUBTENAY denied that the'revenue had
fallen off, ii we took kretrospect of tour years
instead of one.

Mr. S. P. GRANT replied shortly. Tie sAid if
the view which he took of the fi.nancial situation
'of tt!e country was melaneini'y when he entered
"the House, it was rendered still more so by what
'he had heard during the discussion.
be more alarming than to hear the Finanee Mini-
ster assert such a principle as that, " sufficient
(into the dav:are the evils the rent
tint; thety7 Resolutions to the louse, he had done
what lie conceived to be.his duty, and he Was
sorry that it :Wool!! result in nothing but-the re-
'cording them on the JOUVitoelS•ot Om House.
The question was then tut successively on Mr.
"Grant's resola.tions,• which wereuegativt.d without
divisiMi by the presiontrytestion. a' •
Mr. Baouonsm pOstponed the. Committee on
Agriculture this day sennight, when it was
tintlctstood that the subject would be entered
upon.
IRISH ELItTIONS.

Mr. D. BttnWNK moved the rendkig of, the
;Order of the Day; for the con►ntittal of the• -Irish
Election Bill; •with n view. he. said, to,postpotte
.the farther• consideration oft)le tne..astive until next
Session,, in compliance with the ►vishe of the
Irish Members.

Mr. Powsosav expressed a to have the
•meastire further' Ilisensied- this Svssion, 'although.
fioakoloption.nbight. postponed., jn , order,
.that ;ht.. Irish n,ig-ht f)e. nfforied an opportunity
of ccalsitleriug its merits.

Sir F. FLoori differed in opinion from the last
tipeaker ail did • •
Gt;tierli.l.MAtow, who moved, that the 13111 be
committed rhi, (I;'y three ino ithsi;nbaerving, that
it would h,N quite, impossible to poll the electors:
r any county in Ireland. within IN days, as this
Bill propOsied ; and that eonseqnerice of such
,an arriingement would be to place the return' of
the Irish COnnty,lteflres.enkatives in the hands of
the Sheriff:. ' •

Pot4soNl3Y thought thc dine of polling.
ought to be enlarged, for oth,r,vi.e. the Bin
should he entitled, st I3UI to ett:t'Ol, she:jiff; to rt
turn the Itenresentatives for the several Irish
entintivs. Wit still he.thornglit the mea,‘lte should
be further discussed before the Se4sioil cloit d.

Mr .41, DALY spoke f 1111
it avant o t .
Mr. C. WYNN. Io,ok, occasion to Observe upon
the recent practice of the House, in so crowdi,ig
Orders for the Day, that it was impoSsible to dis-
cuss there. In his opinion'thellouse shoal(' re-
yort to the old rule, Of ,trot moving anv `itage
11thl likely to create discossion afier itine o'clock.
liht the nialtipliCity at hUsiness was <me ahlOng
:many other rea,:rms which required that Parlia-
ment should meet before Chri,sinins. For it was
quite imposSihre, within the short period .lately
assigned to the SesSion, for the House to do its
duty, and discharge the public business with cre-
dit to itself, or folvantage to the country, haw-
ever siCtiVe it might be, or however late at night
• it might be willing to sit ,—(Hear')----The present
:Bill had, for ioht,soce, been hviore the House
'•since the comm.:wet:mew of the Session, and yet
it had beep found impossible to haye any setis.-
factory.discassion upon it, in consequenee Of the''
pressure of other business.
After some further observations from Mr. V.
Fitzgerald,• Sir J. Newport, and Mr, Browne,
theconimittal of the. Bill was fixed for Monday sett
night, General Mathew having, withdrawn his
amendment.
The .CIIANCP.LOR of the Excneautta moved
that the Housb should resolve itself foto a Com-
mittee of Slimily, for the purposes of voting the
Miscellaneous lEstimatei.
Mr. WYNi4 objected to going into,such an
im-
rtortant subject. at So late an hottr, unlessit was,
understood that such business, only should- be
brought forward as would create no debate.
The'C,HANCELLOtt of. the Ex'cumucit said, it
was not Iris, intention to bring forward any clang
calculated to excite discussion. With respect to
'the lateness of the hour he felt its inconvenience,
.and hoped sou e remedy would be. devised in the
ensiling Session hoWever, if they .had'Unt gone
into business at a late hour, no public bUsinesS at
all would have beep done.
Mi. CuawaN expressed his hope that the mo-
t ion of his Hon; Fiiend (Mr. 4artkes) would not
be brought forward.
Mr. BANKES ,said, he was certainly desirous' of
:bringing it forward, tWit would be ctinfined
to
only a few tOp?cs, mid one 'debate Would probably