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CAMBRIDGE AND LINCOLN RAILWAY BILL,

Motion made, and Question put, ':That the Cambridge and Lincoln
Railway Bill be re-committed to the same Committee (Group X.),
and that it be an Instruction to the Committee, that they have power
to take into consideration whether the Section deposited in the Pri-
vate Bill 01lice may not be amended, without injury to public or to
private Interests ; and that it be a further Instruction to the said
Committee, that they have power to amend the said Section, if on
inquiry they shall deem fit so to do." The House divided :
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MINORITY—AYES, 77.
Allis,s nAnson, Ainsworth,
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} stone, IL Martin, T. B.
Maule, Fox
Archbold, Robert Evans, William Meynell, Captain
Ellice,''
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Baillie, H. J. Fielder, John Miles, P. W. S.
Baird, William Fellowes, Edward Murphy, F. S.]
Barnard, E. G. Fitz william, G. W. Neville, Ralph
Barron, Sir H. W. Forster, Matthew Newdegete, C. N.
Bateson, Thomas Gardner, John Dunn O'Connell, M. J.
Beresford, Major Goulburn, H. O'Ferrall, It. M.
Blake, Sir V. Grimsditch, T. Ogle, S. C.
Bodkin, Win. Henry Ilastie, Archibald Phlllpotts, John
Bulkelcy, Sir it. Hatton, Captain Plumridge, Captain
Buller, Sir J. Y. Heathcote, G. J. Itashlergh, W.,
Busfeild, W. Hope, Alexander Roebuck, J. A.
Carew, R. S. Hume, Joseph Ross, 1). It.
Carnegie, Captain James, William Round, C. G.
Clayton, R. R. I ermyn, Earl Rutherfurd, A.
Clifton, J. T. Johnson, General Stanley, Edward
Colebrook°, Sir T. Kelly, Fitzroy Tancred, II.:W.
Colborne, W. H. Law, C. E Trelawny, .1. S.
Collins, William Lennox, Lord A. Ward, 11. G.
Coote, Sir C. H. Leslie, Charles P. Yorke, E. T.
Copeland, Alderman Lowther, Sir J. H.
Currie, Itaikes .Lowther, Colonel - TELLERS.
Dickinson, F. H. Mangles, R. D. Sutton, H. M.
Dundas, Frederick Manners, Lord C. S. Trollope, Sir J.

MAJORITY—NOES, 118.
Alford, Viscount Fuller, A. E. l'raed, W. T.
Arkwright, George Gladstone, W. E. Price, Richard
Arundel, Earl Gladstone, Captain Pringle, Alexander
Astell, William Godson, Richard Rawdon, Colonel
Baltic, Walter Hamilton, C. J. Richards, Richard
Baldwin, Barry Hamner, Sir J. Ito Heston, Colonel
Balfour, J. M. Hayter, W. G. Russell, Charles
Barclay, David Hodgson, F. Russell, J. D. W.
Baring, F. T. Holland, Robert Sandon, Viscount;
Baring, Thomas Hornby, John Seymour, Lord
Baring, W. B. Ilouldsworth, T. Sheridan, R. B. -
Barrington, Viscount Hughes, W. B. Smith, A.
Beckett, William Humphery, Alderman Smith, J. A.
Bell, Matthew Inglis, Sir lt, H. Somerset, Lord G.
Bentinck, Lord G. Irton, Samuel Somes, Joseph
Berkeley, Captain James, Sir W. C. Stanfield, W. R. C.
Berkeley, Grantley Kemble, Henry Stuart, Lord J.
Blackburne, J. I. Lambton, H. Stuart, W. Y.
Boyd. John Lascelles, W. S. Stuart, Henry
Broadwood, 11. Lawson, Andrew Strickland, Sir G.
Brotherton, J. Legh, G. C. Strutt, Edward
Brownrigg, J. S. Lemon, Sir C. Thompson, Alderman
Campbell, J. 11. Lincoln, Earl of Thornhill, George
Cartwright, W. R. Lockhart, William Tower, Christopher
Christopher, R. A. Lygon, General Trotter, John
Clerk, Sir George Mackenzie, W. F. Turner, Edmund
Clive, Viscount M`Geachy, F. A. Vernon, G. 11.
Collett, John M`Taggart, Sir J. Villiers, Viscount
Deedes, W. Maher, N. Waddington, Li. S.
Denison, W. J. Manners, Lord J. Wawn, J. T.
Denison, E. B. Milues, R. M. Welby, G. E,
Dodd, George Mitcalfe, henry Williams, William
Douglas, Sir 11. Morgan, 0. Winnington, Sir T.
Dugda:e, W. S. Morris, David Wood, Charles
Duke, Sir J. Neeld, John Wortley, John S.
Duncombe, T. Norreys, Sir D. J. Wrightson, W. B.
Duncombe, 0. Patten, J. W.
Duncombe, A. Peel, Jonathan
Egerton, Sir P. Pendarves, E. W.
Feilden, W. Philips, G. It.
Forman, T. S. Polhill, Frederick

TELLERS.
Estcourt, T. G.
Greene, Thomas

BANKING (IRELAND) BILL
Read a third time. Mr. Smith O'Brien's Clause brought up, and read
a first time ; Motion made, and Question put, " That the said Clause
1)a now read a second time." The House divided :

MINORITY-AYES, 24.
Archbold, Robert Gregory, W. 11. Ross, David R.
Bellew, It. M. Hume, Joseph Somers, J. P.
Blewitt, R. J. Ilumphery, Alderman Trelawny, J. 5,
Bowring, Dr. Norreys, Sir D. Tulle, 11. M.
Brockleburst, J. O'Brien, J. Wawn, John T.
Browne, It. D. O'Connell, D. Williams, W.
Crawford, W. S. O'Connell, J. TELLERS.
Dawson, T. V. Rawdon, Col. O'Brien, W. S.
Duncan, George Roche, E. B. Somerville, Sir W.

MAJORITY-NOES, 77.
Acton, Colonel Denison, E. B.; Lincoln, Earl
Allis, J. P. Dick, (phalli Lowther, Sir J.
Arbuthnott, H.Lygon, General
Mahon, Viscount
Arkwright, George
Baird, William Ent wisle, William Miles, William
Baring, F. T. Escott, Bickham Mitchell, T. A.
Baring, W. B. Forman, T. S. Nichol', John
Baskervllle, T. B. M. Fremantle, Sir T. Peel, Sir R.
Benbow, John Dickinson,Dourg Douglas,
Sir F. H.
11.
.
Gladstone, Captain Peel, Jonathan
Bernard, Viscount Godson, Richard Polhill, F.
Blakemore, Richard Gore, Montague Round, C. G.
Borthwick, Peter Goulburn, Henry Smith, T. B. C.
Boyd, Joint Graham, Sir J. Somerset, Lord G.
Brisco, 111. Greene, T. Somes, Joseph
Broadley, H. Grimsditch, T. Sutton, Henry
Brotherton, J. Hampden, Henn Thesiger, Sir F.
Browne, W. Hatton, Captain Thornhill, G.
Busfeild, William Holthouse, Sir J. Tower, Christopher
Cardwell, Edward Hope, Charles Trench, Sir F. W.
Chelsea, Viscount Hope, A. Vernon, G. H.
Clerk, Sir G. !lope, G. W. Vivian, J. Ennis
Clive, R. 11. Hughes, W. B. Wellesley, Lord C.
Cockburn, Sir G. Hutt, William Wortley-, James S.
Connolly, Colonel Irton, Samuel
Coote, Sir:C. 11. James, Sir Walter TILLERS.
Corry, Henry Jcrmyn, Earl Young, John
Darby, George Lefroy, Anthony Baring, Henry

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.
MONDAY, JUNE 16.
The Eastern Counties Railway (Cambridge and Bury St.
Edmund's Extension) Bill was read a second time, and coin.
mitted, and referred to the Committee of Selection.

The following Bills were read a third time, and passed :
Blackburn and Preston Railway.
Newcastle and Darlington (Brandling Junction) Railway.
Monkland and Kirkintilloch Railway.
Sheffield and Rotherham Railway.
Taw Vale Railway and Dock.
Waterford and Kilkenny Railway.

DOVER, JUNE IG.—Their Royal Highnesses the
Duke and Duchess de Nemours arrived about half-past two this
afternoon, by special train of the South. Eastern Railway, and went
to the Ship Hotel. About five o'clock they embarked in the Prin.
cess Nary steamer, and proceeded to Ostend, where they will ar-
rive about ten o'clock. They were received with a guard of honour,
and royal salutes fired from the western heights at their arrival and
departure. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent is expected
this evening at the York Hotel, to proceed in the morning by the
Princess Alice, Captain Smithett, to Calais.
FORTUNATE ESCAPE.—On the evening of Sunday
an occurrence of a most serious character took place on board the
Eclipse, Richmond steamer. It appears that the Eclipse left Rich-
mond-bridge at its usual time, with 200 passengers. She proceeded
down the river until nearly opposite Hammersmith when it was dis-
covered that the boiler had become red hot, and that if an explosion
did not take place the vessel would take fire. The crew imme-
diately poured water into the engine.room, and the constcrna.
amongst
tthe passengers was so great that the steamer was
nearest shore, on the Barnes side, where the whole were
disembarked,
several jumping into the water and wading ashore.
Srtiuelvn'etroaa mltohofenthe females were nearly in a fainting state from fright,
and were conveyed to the Boileau Arms public.house, in the
Hammersmith Suspension Bridge-road ; and eventually the whole
body crossed the bridge to Hammersmith Broadway, where the
Hammersmith Conveyance Company provided omnibuses for their
conveyance to town.

IMPERIAL PARLIAM EN T.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 16.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
DUNDEE WATERWORKS.
The Dundee Waterworks Bill was read a third time and
passed.

GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY (IRELAND).
The report on the Great Western Railway (Ireland) Bill
(Dublin to Mullingar and Athlone) was brought up.
WEST LONDON RAILWAY.
The report on the West London Railway Extension and
Lease Bill was brought up.
LIVERPOOL AND BURY RAILWAY.
The report on the Liverpool and Bury (Bolton, Wigan,
Liverpool, and Bury Extension) Railway Bill was brought up.
ST. HELEN'S IMPROVEMENT BILL.
The report on the St. Helen's Improvement Bill was brought
up, and the amendments were agreed to.
REVERSIONARY INTEREST SOCIETY BILL.
The Reversionary Interest Society Bill was read a third time
and passed.
HARWELL AND STRENTLY ROAD BILL.
The Harwell and Strently Road Bill was read a third time
and passed.
BLACKBURN AND PRESTON RAILWAY.
The Blaekburn and Preston Railway Bill was read a third
time and passed.
NORTH WOOLWICH RAILWAY.
The report of the North Woolwich Railway Bill was
brought up.
EASTERN COUNTIES (CAMBRIDGE AND BURY

ST. EDMUND'S) RAILWAY.
On the order of the day for the second reading of the East-
ern Counties (Cambridge and Bury St. Edmund's) Rails% ay
Bill being read,
Mr. A LLIX rose to oppose the motion. The greater number
of the landowners on the line were opposed to the Bill, and
he should, therefore, move that it be read a second time that day
six months.
Mr. WARD said that the principal landowner on the line,
who had heretofore opposed the Bill, and through whose pro-
perty the railway would pass for more than four miles, had on
Saturday withdrawn his opposition to the Bill. As there would,
moreover, be ample time and opportunity afforded for consider-
ing in Committee any opposition that might be urged against
the measure, he should support the second reading.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading
Against it
Majority in favour of the Bill —ls
NEWCASTLE AND DARLINGTON RAILWAY.
The Newcastle and Darlington (Brandling Junction) Rail-
way Bill was read a third time and passed.
WHITTLE DEAN WATERWORKS.
The Lords' amendments to the Whittle Dean Waterworks
Bill were agreed to.
SHEFFIELD AND ROTHERAM RAILWAY.
The Sheffield and Rotheram Railway Bill was read a third
time and passed.
TAW VALE RAILWAY AND DOCK.
The Taw Vale Railway and Dock Bill was read a third time,
and passed.
NEWRY AND ENNISKILLEN RAILWAY.
The report on the Newry and Enniskillen Railway Bill was
brought up.
EASTERN UNION AND BURY ST. EDMUND'S
RAILWAY.
The report en the Eastern Union and Bury St. Edmund's
Railway was brought up and the amendments were agreed to.
CAMBRIDGE AND LINCOLN RAILWAY.
Mr. MANNERS SUTTON rose to move that the Cam-
bridge and Lincoln Railway Bill be re-committed to the same
Committee (Group X.), and that it be an instruction to the
Committee, that they have power to take into consideration
whether the section deposited in the Private Bill Office may
not be amended, without injury to public or to private inte-
rests ; and that it be a further instruction to the said Conn •
mittee, that they have power to amend the said section, if on
inquiry they shall deem fit so to do. In bringing forward this
motion he did not mean to impugn, either di-
rectly or indirectly, the decision to which the
Committee had come, nor did he ask the House
to impugn that decision, or to withdraw its support, without
which it would be impossible for Committees to perform their
functions.—( Hear, hear.) He would confine himself to sim-
ply stating the facts of the case. No doubt he should be told
that there was no precedent for the application he was making,
but in reply to that he would observe that the circumstances of
the case were likewise unprecedented. The petition for the
Bill had been presented in February, and had been referred
to the Sub-Committee of Standing Orders, and it had not
been opposed. The parties who promoted the Bill informed the
Standing Orders Committee of every thing they were aware in
which the standing orders had not been complied with. The Sub-
Committee reported that the orders had not been complied with.
The petition was then referred to the Standing Orders Com-
mitteee. It was then also unopposed, and the promoters of the
Bill brought forward before the Committee all the errors of
which they were aware. The Standing Orders Committee
permitted the promoters of the Bill to alter two lines, and
reported to the House that they ought to be allowed to proceed
The Bill was then referred to the Committee on Group X.
It was ascertained in that Committee that an error had been
introduced into the Bill as to the construction of one of the
sections of the line, as compared with the datum line. He
would not enter into discussion as to the character of that
error—as to whether or not it affected the real merits of the
line—nor would he ask the House to interfere with the
functions of the Committee. He would not ask the House to
express the slightest opinion as to the merits of the case, all he
asked them was to give to the Committee on the Bill
the power to inquire into those circumstances. When the
error was discovered in the Committee, the Committee
considered that the best course to pursue was, to decide
that the preamble do not pass, and to report the matter to the
House, accompanied with the reasons upon which the decision
was founded, so as to give an opportunity of bringing
the subject before the House at the earliest possible time.
The hardship of this case was that the adverse decision of the
Committee did not arise from any demerits in the measure
itself, but from the fact of a clerical error—an error that had
escaped the notice of the original promoters of the
Bill and also the Standing Orders Committee, and
which was not detected till the Bill was brought
under the consideration of the present Committee
of Inquiry. The Committee, though they did not consider
the error as fatal to the merits of the measure, were nevertheless
bound to take notice of it, and report in the manner they had
done. This was a case of special and peculiar character, and
called for the interference of the House. He did not
call upon the House in dealing with the case to
reverse the decision of the Committee, but to
grant further powers of inquiry to the Committee. As regarded
the power he proposed to vest in the Committee, he did not be-
lieve it would be exercised prejudicially either towards the par-
ties interested in the measure. or the public. The powers he
proposed they should exercise were those which had been
exercised on several occasions by the Standing Orders Com-
mittee. He could state a few cases in which that Committee
had allowed the sections and the datum line to be corrected.
There was a case during last session in which an error similar
to the one in the present Bill was allowed to be corrected in a
branch of the Sheffield and Huddersfield Railway. In the
present year there had been eight easesin which corrections had
been made. Of these he might instance theWakefield,Pontefract,
and Goole, the Cornwall, the North Wales, and the Brighton
and Chichester Railway Bills. He saw no reason why a
power which had been exercised in these several instances
might not with perfect safety be extended to the present Com-
mittee. The merits of the competing lines was not the ques-
tion at present, but it was, whether it would not be judicious
and proper to extend, in this special and important case, the e
powers of reconsideration which had been exercised by the
Committee on Standing Orders. Were this done, he was sure
the power would not be abused.
Viscount COURTEN AY said he was anxious to state a few
words before the House gave its decision. He might state
that the facts set forth in the petition were correctly
stated. It was true that an error was discovered in the Com.
mittee in investigating the engineering evidence, but he was
forced to say it was merely a clerical error, and did not at all
affect the main features of the Bill. The interests of the land-
lords on the line were not prejudicially affected by the error to
which he had referred.
Mr. ESTCOURT said that it had been decided that cer-
tain notices should be given to that House and sections of
lines lodged preparatory to the investigations of the Standing
Orders' Committee. It was also required that the
datum line should be marked. This had been
departed from in the present instance. If the
error was a clerical error, they had had plenty of time to
correct it, and he did not think there should be any depar-
tore from the rules of the House in the present instance.
Other parties had been called upon to comply
with the standing orders, and had been successfully
paying proper attention to the getting up of their sections and
their specifications, and if any mistake had occurred, they were
themselves to blame for it, as it had been occasioned by their
own neglect.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. said he
thought it was a case it, which the House ought to interfere.
Statements had been made which showed that the error was
merely a clerical error, and did not affect the merits
of 'the Bill. As a great measure was involved
he did not think an error of this kind ought to interfere with
its progress. He should support the motion of his Hon.
Friend.
Lord G. SOMERSET was opposed to the motion. If
any re-investigation was to be made, the Bill should be
referred again to the Standing Orders' Committee.
Mr. W. PATTEN thought that if it was consistent with
the rules of the House it would be better to refer the matter to
the Standing Orders' Committee. He would rather support an
amendment of that sort than the motion of his Hon. Friend.
He would, however, wish to have the opinion of the Right
Hen. Gentleman in m chair on the subject
The SPEAKER said he did not think it would be con-
sistent with the standing orders for the House to adopt the
suggestion of the Hon. Member for Cheshire.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion 77
Against it

Majority against the motion -41
RUNCORN AND PRESTON RAILWAY.
The second reading of the Runcorn and Preston Brook Rail-
way Bill was agreed to, upon the motion of an Hon. Member,
whose name we could not learn.
LONDONDERRY AND COLERAINE RAILWAY.
Lord SANDON moved the second reading of the London
and Coleraine Railway Bill, which was agreed to.
BROAD AND NARROW GAUGE.
Sir GEORGE GREY said that, as there was a great deal
of anxiety felt by the public abroad, as to the time when this
House would take up the consideration of the very important
question of the broad and narrow gauge, he would wish to know
whether it was the intention of the House to take it up to-
morrow ?
Mr. BRAMSTON said it was a question of great con-
sequence, and therefore he would propose that it be taken up
on Thursday.
After a few words from Hon. Members on both sides of the
House, it was agreed upon to take up the subject on Friday.
The Agricultural and Commercial Bank of Ireland Bill was
read a third time.

SCOTCH BANKING BILL.
Mr. HUME presented several petitions on the subject of
the Scotch Banking Bill, but amidst the confusion which pre-
vailed we could not collect the import.
A great number of petitions, relating to railway and other
private Bills, were also presented in a state of the House which
rendered it impossible to distinguish them.
BRIDGE OVER THE SEVERN.
Mr. ROEBUCK here rose and was on the point of ad-
dressing the House, amid the most intense silence, when
Captain BERKELEY said he wished to ask his Hon.
Friend opposite, the Secretary to the Admiralty, if the bridgp
over the Severn, which had already been objected to by the
Board of Admiralty, as calculated to obstruct' the naviga-
tion of that river, would be allowed to be erected ?
Mr. CORRIE (who, from the excessive noise in the House,
was almost wholly inaudible) was understood to say that mea-
sures would be taken to prevent any interference with the in-
terests of the public by the contemplated construction.
Mr. HUME observed, that by a rule of that House, no
Bill which was objected to by the Admiralty, could pass with-
out the sanction of that Board. He believed, however, that
when the Bill in question was opposed by the Admiralty,
their objection was contravened in consequence of
their not appearing in person or by counsel before the Com-
mittee; he wished to inquire whether the letter from the Ad-
miralty prohibiting its erection, was not sufficient to prevent the
passing of the Bit, j,
Mr. Bge7l:4lT was understood to say, as Chairman of the

Committee before whom the Bill was heard, that no appear-
avec, being made, the preamble of the Bill was declared proved.
Mr. HUME said he hoped the question would not rest there
because it was a matter of very great importance. The clause
had been introduced to remedy great inconvenience, and if the
subject were properly understood the Bill would not be allowed
to pass.
fir ROBERT INGLIS wished to ask a question of the
Under Secretary for the Colonies, viz., whether the represen-
tatives of her Majesty's Government in Ceylon had paid
honours, or in any way countenanced idolatrous worship in the
island of Ceylon.
Mr. HOPE in a few words replied that no such countenance
had been given to such worship. The Government offi-
cers had given directions to discountenance the idolatrous cere-
monies reerred to.

Sir ROBERT INGLIS was satisfied with the explanation.
An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, put a
question to the Secretary for the Colonies, whether he had
seen an edict issued at Hong-Kong, fcr the suppression of
Secret Societies there, awarding a sentence of three
years' imprisonment and hard labour, and branding on
the right cheek, after the manner of deserters.
The following remarkable words concluded the edict, that if
any member of that society should be slain by the people in any
disturbance, no inquiries should take place as to the manner in
which the death of the individual had been occasioned.
Mr. HOPE was aware *at such a society, existed as that
mentioned by the Hon. Member. IS►was a society consisting
of a considerable number of persons, who were all bound so-
lemnly by oath to obey the directions, whatever they might
be, of one person, whom they regarded as the head of their
establishment. The society was a band of robbers and assassins,
and was a terror to all well-disposed Chinese, upon whom the
confederacy were in the habit of levying a species of black mail,
for the preservation and protection of their lives and property.
It was also true, that the members of this society possessed
power to brand on the cheeks any persons who withdrew from
their association, but it was not correct to say that the punish-
ment of deserters in the royal army consisted of a visible brand
on the cheek--it was only a secret mark, by which they might
be identified on inspection. In all the jurisdiction of the
Tr}ad Society over the Chinese subjects their powers were re-
ported to have been supreme, and no notice would at present be
taken with respect to the power they posses-ed.
CHALLENGE TO MR. ROEBUCK.

Mr. ROEBUCK rose and said he had a very important
matter to bring forward with regard to a question of the privi-
leges of that House. He would wish to call the attention of
the House to a letter which be had received on Saturday last.
A carriage drove up to his door, and a person having knocked
at the door, the letter which he held in his hand was
left at his house. The letter was addressed to him
personally, and was dated from the Reform Club. The letter
was to this effect, that the writer wished to know if he ( Mr.
Roebuck) had used these words as reported in the Morning
Chronicle, or words to that effect. Here the Hon. Member
read the passage as enclosed by the writer of the letter, the
substance of which was, that he (Mr. Roebuck) had said that
the parties to whom he had alluded, under' the peculiar cir-
cumstances, deserved very little respect for their position or
their intellect. The writer then went on to say that if he
(Mr. Roebuck) used those words, the insult to him, the writer,
was plain. His second question, then, was, was he (Mr. Roe-
buck) prepared to justify them? He (the writer) presumed
that he (Mr. Roebuck) was too well read in the history of
chivalry to misinterpret the meaning of this word, which the
writer had underlined three times.—( Lond laughter. )
Sir V. BLAKE rose to order. He was ready to admit that
the Hon. Member (Mr. Roebuck) had an undoubted right to
express his opinions in the House, upon any measure brought
before it, but he had not a right to catechise or to lecture any
Hon. Member who—(Loud cries of " Order, order.")
The SPEAKER said that the interruption of the Ilon.
Baronet was most irregular.—(Loud cries of '• Hear, hear. )
Mr. ROEBUCK then proceeded to read the conclusion of
the letter, which was that the writer enclosed the Morning
Chronicle, and had marked the passage. In answer to that
letter he had written what he would now read, and which he
delivered himself. The Hon. Member then read his answer,
which was to the effect that he would answer the Hon. Mem-
ber's letter in his place in the House of Commons : that the
House should not be coerced in his person—(Cheers)—and
that he would take the proper means of punishing such threats.
(Cheers.) He concluded by expressing a hope that the writer
of the challenge was sufficiently read in the law of his country,
not to misinterpret this.—( Great laughter and cheers.) Sir,
I am now about first to move that the letter be read by the
clerk at the table.—(Cheers, and laughter. )
The SPEAKER asked whether this Hon. Member for
Sligo was in his place ?
Mr. SOMERS rose in his place, and bowed to the Speaker,
The Clerk at the table then read the letter at length.
The following is Mr. Somers' letter, with Mr. Roebuck's
reply:—

" Reform Club, June 14, 1845, 6 p.m.
" Sir—Unfortunately I was not in the House of Commons
last night when you spoke in committee on the Irish Colleges
Bill. If I had been present the necessity of addressing to you
a letter like this, which is one of inquiry, would not have
existed. But having been absent, lam compelled to rest on
the newspaper reports, and I wish to ask you if the following
words were spoken by you, or words to that effect :—' Those
who follow such a leader deserve little respect either for their
position or their intellect.' [So we understoed the Honourable
and Learned Member's reading of the letter, but he spoke in
so low a tone, and as rapidly, that we followed him with some
difficulty.] If you did use these words the insult you convey to
me as a repealer is plain. Sly second question is, are you pre
pared to justify these words. (These words are underlined. )
The meaning of the words I have underlined I am sure you
are too well read in the old histories of chivalry to misinter-
pret.—(Loud laughter).—l have the honour, &c.,
" J. A. Ptoebuck, Esq. "J. P. SOMERS."
" Sir—You shall receive the answer your letter requires in
the House of Commons on Monday.—(Loud cries of " Hear,
hear")—and I now give you the following warning for your
guidance in the meantime. lam determined that the free
expression of opinion shall not in my person be coerced or
checked.—(Loud cheers from the Ministerial benches.) I
shall, therefore, use the most stringent and effectual means to
punish your present menace, and to put down all future violence.
I trust you are sufficiently well read in the laws of your country
to understand this.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear," and cheers
from the Ministerial benches. )—I am, &c.,
"J. P. Somers, Esq. " J. A. ROEBUCK."
Mr. ROEBUCK said, 'ir, I am exceedingly sorry to
be obliged to adopt the course which I feel it my duty to pur-
sue. 1 feel it, however, a paramount duty—not as regards
myself, but as regards the privileges of this House—to make
the following motion, " That J. P. Somers, Esq., having
sent a challenge to a Member, for words spoken in this
House, is guilty of a contempt and breach of privilege." My
reasons for taking this course I shall state as calmly and
shortly as I can. If it were a question that regarded only
myself, the law would have afforded me instant protection,
and I would be quite prepared to throw myself, in such a case,
on the law's authority. But this is not a matter in which I
am concerned. It is the House that is concerned—and the
privileges of the Members—and the most valuable
of those privileges is the free expres.ion of their opinions as to
the conduct of public men. Under these circumstances I
claim the right of availing myself of the privileges of the House,
certain as I am that I myself have committed no breach of its
privileges. I thought proper to refer to the superiority in intel•
lect of some of the Hon. Members in this House, and 1 have
received in consequence a letter suggesting that an Hon. Mem-
ber should be allowed to shoot at me.—( Laughter and cheers.
I do not think that that shows any superiority or that it proves
any superiority of the intellect. I throw aside all other consi-
derations. I feel as a Member of this House that lam acting
in a proper manner when I pursue this course, and, therefore,
assuming that Hon. Members will not deny my right to do so,
I shall move the motion which has already been received by
the House,
Lord ASHLEY said, I rise with great satisfaction to second
this motion with the most heartfelt thanks, not only for my-
self, but also for, lam convinced, a great majority of the
Members in this House, and of right-minded persons through-
out the country—the thanks of those persons who look with
alarm at any breach of the privileges of this House. The
motion will go far to establish not only a social, but a very
great constitutional privilege. I can foresee, Sir, the time
when, if this system which the Hon. and Learned Member for
Bath has called our attention to, was introduced into this House,
and into a deliberative assembly—l can see the time when
liberty of speech would be at an end, and when we should
meet here as our ancestors met here, not for the exhibition of
reason, but for violence and for the sword. —(Cheors). In
seconding this motion, "therefore, Sir, I tender to the Honour-
, able and Learned Member for Bath, in my own name and in
the name of many gentlemen of England, and as I said be-
fore, in t"be name of thousands of his fellow subjects, I do
tender to him my most sincere thanks for the manly, the cou-
rageous, and the constitutional course which he has taken.—

(Loud cheers).
Mr. SOMERS then rose and said—Sir, seeing the feeling
of the House, I have no hesitation whatever in withdrawing
that letter which he has read. It was merely a letter of in-
quiry.—( Great laughter). The Honourable and Learned
Member for Bath did not condescend to answer these in-
quiries. Ido not call in question his motives for not doing
so. I am here, Sir, in the hands of the House, and I bow
with unaffected deference to the decision of the House. I
am little inclined to play with the authority of the Hou►e.
The sense of the Speaker is paramount on all occasions, and
the sense of the Howe I conceive is on all occasions para-
mount. I certainly do deeply regret this matter.—( Loud
cheers). I do deeply regret that any matter so personal to
myself should ha^e occupied the attention of fhe House for
one moment.—(Cheers). If the Honourable and Learned
Member for Bath is satisfied with this explanation I trust the
House will be satisfied. I think I can add nothing to what
I have said. I trust, however, that the House will bear with
me for one moment, while I call the attention of the Honour-
able and Learned Member for Bath to the observations which he

frequently makes, and the gross imputations which he occasionally
casts upon certain Members of this House. I will take the
liberty of saying that the Hon. Gentleman's observations do not
always correspond with—(Here the Hon. Gentleman hesi-
tated for a moment)—l must take the liberty of saying it—do
not always correspond with the truth so as to entitle him to
permanent respect. I beg to apologise to the House generally
for intruding on its attention, and for being the cause of en-
croaching so considerably on its time.—(Loud cheers.)
Sir. G. GREY assured the House that he felt deeply for
the Hon. Member who had last addressed the House.—
(Cheers.) He understood him to say, at the commencement
of his explanation, that he retracted the letter which had been
the origin of the present discussion; a more satisfactory line
of conduct could not have been pursued, still he confessed he
should not be doing his duty did he not deprecate the practice
too often adopted of resenting supposed injuries. He thought
the course adopted by the Hon. Member for Bath was the
only one consistent with his duty to the House and to himself
which he could have pursued; and he at the same time hoped
that this, the second example presented to and by that Hon.
Member,it
livareed
himselfwoul would teach
be omtheerresretgoavradlfueel
of
thesim ifleaelinrcogusresce,etrtehrisle.
—( Loud cheers.) He agreed with all that had been said
by
him against the immoral and unchreinsteiasnenptriamceuncte,
aonfdduweilasin
nget;
but his approval was limited to that
night.extended
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HounwarrantableGentlemen cn oaudres e he i
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of
conscience
se Friday
nee
not to give or accept a hostile measure, instead of yielding to
stahm feelings
e eniaatriloyn
sedulousor resentment, s
etrhveiyh
gsh theou d
language at t e
of gentlemen.—( Reiterated cheers.) He did not wish to give
e time be of
pianr indignation
offence to the lion. Member for Bath, but he only felt he was
doing his duty in reminding him that there was a tone and
a gesture calculated to give offence.—(Prolonged cheer-
ing.) He heard his speech on Friday last with that
attention which the addresses of the Learned Gentleman inva-
riably demanded, but he felt at the time that it was calculated
to produce needless irritation. Truth might be spoken with
plainness and with honesty without wounding feelings or pro-
ducing offence. Such, however, was not the tune usually
adopted by the Member for Bath ; it was net the tone adopted
on Friday last ; and while he deprecated it he could scarcely
wonder at the emotion of feeling on the part of the Hon. Mem-
ber for Sligo. —( Cheers. )
Sir R. PEEL observed that the Hen. Member for Bath
had taken a course consistent with true courage, at the same
time he:willingly admitted that the Hon. Member for Sligo had
made every reparation in his power.—(Cheers.) He had
retracted the letter which had given cause to the present un-
fortunate discussion, he had regretted the hasty courso he had
adopted, and had apologised to the House. A more complete
reparation could not possibly have been made by any man.—
(Loud cheers.) At the same time he thought, as the lion.
Member had made the fullest reparation in his power, that the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman should be satisfied with the ex-
planation which had been made.
Mr, 13. ROCHE did not rise for the purpose of Prolong"

ing this unpleasant discussion. They had entered into it with
unwillingness. He thought kis Hon. Friend (Mr. Somers).
had given all the reparation in his power. He could not, how-
ever, sit down without remarking that it would be very
well if the Hon. and Learned Member did not use such severe
language, and if the House would, by a strong intimation, show
that it was determined to discountenance all such attacks.—

(Hear, hear,) It caused irritation and excitement not only
in that House but out of doors, and the repetition of such lan—
guage was by' no means calculated to raise the character
of that House in te opinion of the public. A pledge had
been given to the HouStA of withdrawing the offensive words,
but he considered the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath
would not be justified in withdrawing his motion.
Lord HOWICK agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet that
the matter should not be withdrawn, in consequence of the full
and ample apology tendered by the Hon. Member for Sligo. If
the matter were withdrawn it would appear on their minutes that
a Member of Parliament was justified in sending a hostile mes-
sage to another Member for expressions emplo)ed in that
House on public business. He was not prepared to consent to
the withdrawal of the motion. He considered that the motion
having been confirmed, the next course would be to form a
second resolution, to the effect, that after the full and ample
apology of the Hon. Member for Sligo, the House would not
take any further notice of the matter.
Lord PALMERSTON submitted that, in his opinion, a
resolution pointing out a single individual would necessarily
imply some opinion on the part of the House that blame and
censure had been incurred by that particular person named in
that resolution. It appeared to him that the apology which
had been made to the House by the Hon. Member for Sligo
was a sufficient amendment on his part to restrain the House
from any further proceedings. It further appeared to him
that the objections of his Noble Friend might be fully answered
by permitting the proposed resolution to be withdrawn, and to
have, as a substitute, a general resolution, to the effect
that it was a breach of the Parliamentary privileges of the
House, for any Member to take notice by a hostile message of
what had passed from any Member in that House. He quite
agreed with other Hon. Members that the Hon. Member for
Bath deserved their thanks for the course he had pursued in
bringing the matter before the House. The effect of such

challenges was to strike a blow at the constitutional functions
of Parliament. There were many Hon. Members who if similarly,
treated, might have been, driven to the destruction of them-
selves and to the injury of their families. He thought that the
House ought not to try the Hon. Member (Mr, Roebuck) with
respect to his speech the other night. He (Lord Palmerston)
wished to show the title courage of his Hon. Friend in coming-
forward in the way in which he did. There was many an
Hon. Member in that House whose courage had not been tried,
who had not been put in a situation like his Hon. Friend, and
who could not come forward and throw himself on the House

to vindicate nut himself alone, but the privileges of the House.
He thought the remarks of the Hon. Baronet misplaced,
and truly inapplicable on this occasion. He wished to know
whether this was a breach of privilege, and if it
were, what should be the way of dealing with it. The Hon.
Member, in the commencement of his address, made every re-
paration it was possible for man to do. It was not a question
in which his Hon. Friend (Mr. Roebuck) was alone con-
cerned, it .-as a question of the privilege of the House. If his
Hon. Friend was sorry he ought to have been set right on
Friday, and they then ought to have tried him for his impru-
dence, and for the manner in which he expressed his opinion
on that subject. Had he not been held up in a way in which
the characters of others had not been ; and was the Hon.
Baronet to lay down a rule as to how he was to express his
feelings in that House. If they were to conduct themselves
peaceably and quietly they should above all have freedom of
opinion, and every man should be allowed to express his feeling
of the injury he received, and if he acted wrong he (Lord Pal-
merston) hoped that they would call him to order. They were
not now to try the Hen. Member for Bath, when the question
was as to the conduct of another Hon. Gentleman. He thought
that his Hon. Friend deserved the thanks of every gentleman
in the House.
Sir R. INGLIS thanked his Hon. Friend for the Christian
manner in which he seconded the motion. He observed a
strong and concurrent opinion on both sides of the House, that,
if it should be the pleasure of this House that the motion be
'withdrawn, the Honourable Member on the other side of the
House should express his regret. lie hoped he would not be
misunderstood—namely, that he should apologise to the House,
and to the Hon. and Learned:Member for Bath, and express his
regret that the letter in question had been sent. Less than that
would not satisfy the House, or secure to any Member of the
House, as well as to the Hon. Member for Bath that privilege,
which he (Sir R. Inglis) regarded the most essential of all their
privileges—namely, the free expression of opinion in that
House.—( Hear.) He entreated of the House to attend to the
observation of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Member for
Devenport, and he hoped that if Hon. Members could not be
held responsible for language used in the debates of that
House, neither should they use those irritating and offensive
epithets—( Hear, hear)—which gave unnecessary pain. With-
out taking upon himself the task of acquitting the Ho-
nourable and Learned Member, he thought that the Ho-
nourable and Learned Gentleman would, on reflection, feel
that observations were made by him, not only on Friday night,
but in other debates and on other occasions, upon the conduct of
Irish Members, which the necessity of the case did not
demand or justify. He did not mean to say that the conduct
of the Irish Members was justifiable, on the contrary he was
disposed to agree in the general view that they were not acting
properly in absenting themselves from Parliament. He did
hope that whilst on the one hand the House would interfere
effectually to prevent such pernicious conduct, Hon. Members
would feel the propriety of acting in a manner so as not to give
unnecessary offence, and with a view to maintain the character
of that House in the opinion of the public.—( Hear. hear.)
The SPEAKER then read the minute which had been
made on the books of the House containing the offensive ex-
pressions before stated, and the apology of the Hon. Member
for Sligo already mentioned.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE expressed a hope that, after the full
and ample apology which had been made by his Honourable
Friend, the House would% permit him to pass without further
censure. During the time that he ( Sir W. Somerville) had
been in the House he had never known his Hon. Friend to
have been guily of a single offensive or unparliamentary expres-
sion.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK said, he had set out with stating that it
was not upon his own account he brought this matter for-
ward, but in order to vindicate the privileges of that House
—(Hear, hear)—and therefore, when the House declared that
its privileges had been satisfied, it was far from his wish to
interfere, or throw any impediment in the way of the matter
being brought to a close. But he should be doing an injustice
to himself if he had admitted in any degree that charge which
had been made against him by the Right Hon. Gentleman,
the Member for Devonport. He had expressed an opinion,
that the conduct of certain Irish Members was most mis-
chievous to the interests of the country—he then used that
language, shish accurately described his own feelings and
opinions. He had done no more—he had a right to do
that—he repeated it—what he said was accurately true. His
language had been gentle and guarded—( Laughter)—yes,
gentle and guarded as compared with the language of others
who spoke of that House and its Members individually else-
where.—( Hear, hear.) As, however, the privileges of the
House had been vindicated, he would say no more on the
matter. That was all he asked.
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN said the Hon. Member for Bath
had used insulting language to him, and treated him with
" The
contempt."—( Order, order. )
SPEAKER said the Hon. Member for Limerick could
not refer to language used in former debates at which he was not
present.
Mr. ROEBUCK said he had been accused of using lan-
guage unfit to be heard in the House, and he thought the Hon.
Gentleman ought to be called upon to retract those expres-
sions.—(Cries of " No, no," and " Hear, hear," and great
confusion, in the midst of which),
Mr. TURNER rose, but not one word the Hon. Member
said reached us.

Lord J. MANNERS was understood to express a hope that
the House would not call upon the Hon. Member for
Limerick to retract the language he had used.
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN rose, evidently labouring under
great excitement, and said that which had been conceded to
the Hon and Learned Member for Bath had been denied to
him. He had used most offensive language towards him, and
had nut retracted a single offensive expression which he had
used towards him in the debate on Friday night. Was that
so or not ?

The Hon. Member sat down, expecting an answer from the
Hon. and Learned Member for Bath, but the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman. assuming a particularly derisive look, turned his
back to the Hon. Member, and did not stand up. There-
upon
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN said the position in which I stand
before the country is this, that I have been insulted, and the
Hon. and Learned Member for Bath, whose offensive ex-
pressions still remain unretracted and unexplained—( Order) .
The SPEAKER—If the Hon. and Learned Member for
Bath had made use of language of an unparliamentary cha-
racter, it would have been my duty to call him to order.—
( Hear, hear.) It did not appear to me that the language
used by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman in the debate on
Friday night was unparliamentary, and therefore I did not call
him to order. No Hon. Member, on that occasion, called the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman to order, or in any w ay signified
that he was using language of an unparliamentary character.—.
(Hear, hear.) I cannot, therefore, admit that either then, or
on the present occasion, the Hon. Member for Bath used un-
parliamentary language.—( Hear, hear.)
Sir H. W. BARRON—When language, said to be of an
offensive character to Hon. Members of this Reuse, was used
by the Hon. Member for Cork (Mr. O'Connell)—
Just at this moment Mr. O'Connell himself entered the
House, amid loud cheering and waving of hats from Hon.
Members on the Opposition side of the House, and derisive
laughter from the Ministerial benches. Mr. Brotberton, Al..
derman Humphryes, Mr. Hawes, Mr. Roche, and others came
over and shook hands with the Hon. and Learned Gentleman,
as soon as he took his seat. There was great excitement for a
moment, or rather the excitement which previously existed
was increased. The Hon. and Learned Member seemed in
excellent health and spirits, and laughed heartily, apparently
at the coincidence of his name being mentioned Just as he en.
at
b e when
s of that A ir OH':
Cuo
tered. Soon after Mr. S. O'Brien went over to the Hon.
Member, who shook his hand warmly.
House,
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tsoayAltmh
Hon. Gentlemen opposite took a very different course from
that which they now pursued. The Hon. Member for the
University of Oxford told the Hon. and Learned Member for
Cork, on that occasion, that he should be cautious of using lan-
guage of an offensive character towards Members of that
House ; but the Hon. Gentleman had not given that caution to
the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath, which would be quite
as well placed; for it was notorious that the Right Hon. and
Learned Gentleman was in the constant habit of using offen-
siveill'iceh meant no personal
and dictatorial language towards Hon. Members.—( Order.)
SirT H
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offence. What he meant to say was, that an Hon. Member
who used such language as the Hon. and Learned Member for
Bath, ought not to be so choice about the language u.,ed by
others, and that one who sheltered himself on every occasion
under the privileges of that House should not use language
calculated to wound the feelings of Hon. Members.—( Hear. )
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Sir R. PEEL again interposed. He thought thq.,prives
The Right lion Baronet in si4mrtiobnle.
.instanced the case of Mr. T. Hope,
now the Lord Justice Clerk, who had acted in a similar manner
as the lion. Member for Sligo, and whose apology was accepts
by the House.
After a few words from Lord SANDON and Sir V. BLA ax

e Bath,
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for Sligo, and also the amendment expressive of the satisfaction
of the House at the apology of the Hon. Member for Sligo,
were put and carried.
The subject then dropped.
Mr. OSBORNE asked whether the Right Hon. Baronet th
Secretary of State for the Home Department would bring o
the Academical Eddcation question, in case the hour a
which the Irish Banking question concluded was late.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he would not pledge himself to the
House, buto would not certainly bring up the report on the
Academical Education question at a very late hour.
• '-ANNUITY TO SIR H. POTTINGER.
Sir R." PEEL said that he believed that the unanimous
feeling of the p, the appreciation of the conduct, character,
and public services of Sir Henry Pottinger were such, that
independent of the personal. question of merits which were
universally acknowledged, his claims upon the gratitude of
his country were equally well appreciated. He proposed that
the great services which Sir Henry Pottinger had rendered tq

..---.—....„,
his country should be remunerated with a pension of 1,5001. , advanced against this clause were sufficient to influence the de-
er annum, commencing from the date on which Sir Henry cision of the House.
Pottinger was to resign his full pay as her Majesty's Plenipo- Sir R. PEEL contended that undue importance was attached
tenliary. He proposed that that pension should continue ab- to paper currency. Let the House look to the manner in
solutely for life. He proposed to grant this pension as a mark which the enormous transactions at Liverpool an I Manchester
of public acknowledgment for past services, and though future were conducted. There the only bank notes in circulation were
events should again render it necessary to employ Sir Henry those of the Bank of England and the Bank of England only.
Pottinger again in public affairs, he trusted that the feeling of Those notes represented sovereigns, and if such notes were to
the country would be that he had sufficiently merited the gra- be abolished to-morrow, sovereigns would be used in their
titude of his country. stead without very much inconvenience being felt. The value
Mr. WILLIAMS had no wish to undervalue the services of of paper issue was regulated by the celerity with winch it could
Sir Henry Pottinger, but he must say, that when he looked to be converted into cash and by that only.
tips extent of those services, which were brought to a conclu- Mr. WILLIAMS supported the clause.
sion creditable to himself hnd beneficial to his country—when Sir W. SOMERVILLE supported the clause, though he
he looked to the nature of these services, he was willing to go as believed his endeavours would meet with but little success.
far as any Hon. Alember in that House, but he did not think On the question being put,
that he alone should be remembered, while the services of Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN expressed his determination to divide
others were nearly forgotten. He believed that the naval and upon the proposition, although despairing of success ;he would
scientific services of Sir William Parker could not well be ex- gladly effect a compromise and withdraw his clause, if the Right
seeded, and vekthat Gallant Admiral had only received a pen- Hon. Baronet would modify his measure.
sion of 300/..per annum ; and this, be it remembered, not for The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could see
a particular service, but for the greater portion of fifty years, nothing so objectionable in the Bill introduced, as it was in the
the most part of which time he had been at sea. Sir Hugh same spirit as had characterised similar measures for England
Gough, also, the Commander-in-Chief of the army, had not and Scotland.
been pensioned in an equal degree for his public services ; and Mr. O'CONNELL denied the analogy between the con-
it might be established as a dangerous precedent, if every stitution of the Irish and the Scotch banks. In the latter
public servant was to come down en the House, and for the there was a monopoly and an exclusive circulation of capital
services lir might have rendered in two years receive a pension wholly foreign to the Irish establishments.
like the illsesent.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and on there re-
Sir G. STAUNTON, while giving all credit to the services admission, the numbers appeared--
of the army and navy, thought that the very important nego- For the clause
tiation which had been effected by Sir Henry Pottinger Against it
o4ht not to be overlooked, and he certainly did not think Majority against the clause
that the degree of gratitude which the Government was dis- ACADEMICAL INSTITUTIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
posed to show was disproportioned to his services. He con- On the motion for the Order of the Day being read to
sidered, also, that the appointment of his successor was a bring up the Report on the Irish Colleges Bill,
most valuable one, and he, as one Member of that House, Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN presented a petition from the Loyal
would most willingly support the motion of the Right Hon. National Repeal Association against the 10th clause of that Bill.
Baronet,
Mr. OSBORNE postponed his motion until the Right
Sir R. PEEL said that the present pension to Sir Henry Hon. Member the Recorder of Dublin was in his place to
Pottinger was not to be looked at as a mere mark of the coun- answer any statements he might make respecting the Univer-
try's gratitude for services rendered in China. That gentleman sity of Dublin.
had left the service of the East India Company, and the special Sir JAMES GRAHAM, not seeing the Hon. Member for
and peculiar services he had rendered to his country were not London in his place, postponed entering into detail upon the
only to be looked to—they had also to look to the loss he had sus- Irish Colleges Bill till Thursday next.
tained by. being taken out of the East India Company's service. Mr. O'CONNELL would not oppose the delay, if conve-
The Government did not forget the services of the army and navy, nient to the Government, but he hoped it would be under-
but these were peculiar services, and should be equitably stood that he was no party to the arrangement.
rewarded.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said there was a very great differ-
Lord PALMERSTON did not recommend that this vote ence of opinion out of the House, among Catholics, respecting
should not be a precedent in any similar cases. He should be this measure. The Irish Prelates were to meet in a few days
tidlighted if it were to be considered one, and that it would to discuss the question, and their opinion could not reach the
lead them to reward in an equally liberal manner services of Members in that House who might be influenced by it, till
similar importance. It had been said by an Hon. Member Thursday next. He hoped, therefore, it would be postponed
that the services of the army and navy had led to the negotia- till Thursday week, to await the result of that conference.
tion which resulted in China. He (Lord Palmerston) did not Mr. DILLON BROWN concurred in pressing for a further
deny the services of the army and navy, but this did not in the delay.
smallest degree injure the character of those services which Sir Mr. HUME thought the reasons advanced for the postpone-
fienry Pottinger had rendered to his country. He entirely ment the very strongest that could be used for proceeding with-
agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet as to the principles which out delay.—( Laughter.) He could not understand what the
should regulate the choice of persons for responsible situa- Irish Catholics had to do with this measure. Let them confine
tions. He knew that it was impossible Ministers could be in- themselves to their own element, and as the present was a mea-
Ilueneed by party or personal considerations. It ;must be the sure to give secular education to all classes of Irishmen, irre-
tebject of official men to appoint to confidential employments spective of religiousdistinctions, he thought neither a Protestant
the most able and the fittest persons, without regarding what nor Catholic hierachy should be consulted upon it. He considered
might please any individual.--( Hear, hear.) And the Minis- it would be very improper, as the measure was intended for the
tars had done themselves great credit by the appointment ofSir general good of all classes, for either the Roman Catholic
Henry Pottinger. —( Hear, bear.) He would say again that bishops or the Protestants to interfere in the matter.
he felt the greatest pleasure in supporting this grant which Mr. SHEIL said, his Hon. Friend the late Member for
would carry out the decided wish of the House of Commons Kilkenny had declared that the present scheme was entirely a
who shared the responsibility in this case with the Govern- system of secular education, and therefore it met with his appro.
ment.--( Hear, hear.)
bation. Religio nti nultus sit should be the motto of the Hon.
Mr. HUME said the grant would have the concurrence, not Gentleman. The Government on the other hand had de-
only of the House of Commons, but of the whole country.— dared that the measure was not exclusively a system of
{Hear, hear.) He believed, from all that he had heard, that secular education. He (Mr. Shell) thought it was
such was the heeling of all the leading men in manufacturing a signal error in not having, in the first instance, consulted
and commercial concerns—( Hear, hear)—with the single ex- the opinions of the Irish Bishops. A synod of the Bishops had
cepticia of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Williams), who said that the been held, in which they had expressed their condemnation of
pension might have been avoided. No man had ever been the Bill in certain particulars; but at the same time they had
more adverse than he (Mr. Hume) to unnecessary pensions.— given the Government every credit for the goodness of their
(Hear, hear.) But he had never expressed any other opinion intentions. The Bishops, in the memorial which had been
than this, that although he was anxious to take from the Crown transmitted to the Lord-Lieutenant, had pointed out objections
the power of granting prodigal and unmerited pensions, yet he to the measure which were insuperable. The Government
had always said that whenever it was iiroposed to give a pension were called upon to state how far they acquiesced in the views
to a man who deserved it, he would support .such a grant— entertained by the Catholic Bishops. The Government under-
( Hear, hear)—and such was the present case.—( Hear, hear.) took to give them every due consideration, with a view to
His Hon. Friend said that Sir Henry Pottinger had done no their alteration. The Noble Lord the Member for London
more than his duty, and had received his salary for that duty. had said he approved of the Bill, but not with the proposed
Now he (Mr. Hume) would say diet if the negociations had alterations. The Right Hon. Baronet had been asked several
been frustrated, and the salary had been paid for ten or a questions respecting the matter, one of which was, would he
dozen years, the argument would have sonic force. But the consent to the appointment of a chaplain to the colleges profess-
greatest merit of Sir H. Pottinger was that, with such a ing either the Roman Catholic or the Protestant faith ; and
people, and under such circumstances, he had brought matters secondly, whether he would acquiesce in the appointment of a
to a satisfactory and beneficial conclusion so soon.—(Hear, Rpman Catholic Bihp by the Crown ? N definite answers
hear.) He admitted the claim of the naval and military ser- had yet been given s
too these questions, which had been delayed
vices to the highest credit, but he did not think the great till the present time ; and he had come down with the full
merits of Sir H. Pottinger, who directed all the movements, conviction that, on the present occasion, the Right
were disparaned by that admission.—( Hear, hear.) And at Honourable Gentleman would inform the House on these
the mine time he would express his opinion that the pension two important particulars whether any change was contem-
ought to date from the day when the treaty was concluded. plated by the Government. He advised the policy of com-
After a few words from Mr. WILLIAMS, in explanation, municating fully with the Catholic Bishops before any further
The question that 1,5001. per annum be granted to her Ma- steps be taken.
jesty, for the purpose of bestowing a pension upon Sir Henry Mr. GOLQUHOUN considered that in any system of edu-
Pottinggr, was agreed to.
cation that was proposed to be adopted by the House, it would
The liouse then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be be most unconstitutional and hostile to the feelings of Eng•
brought up on Thursday next, land, if, before the House had decided on the matter, any
IRISH BANKING BILL. hierarchy, be they who they may, were called in to assist at
On the order of the day for the third reading of this Bill, their councils.—( Hear.) Still more objectionable would it be
Sir R. PEEL said (as we understood, for the Right Hon. to call to their councils a class of men who had assisted more
Baronet spoke the few words in an exceedingly low and indis- strenuously and uniformly in the agitation promoted by the
einct tone)—that the two amendments which had been intro. Hon. and Learned Member opposite for the dismemberment of
duced into the Bill would, he believed, prove satisfactory. the empire.
One of these related to the averages, and the other to the Mr. O'CONNELL—No, no.—No, no.
issues. Mr. COLQUHOUN hoped the Hon. Member would allow
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN rose to move the amendment of him to proceed, for he was not now on the floor of Conciliation
which he had given notice. He had already stated his opi- Hall, but in the British House of Commons, which was usually
pions of the measure, and he would not now occupy the House understood to be an assembly of gentlemen. He would say
unnecessarily. He thought that if the Government had 00n- it would be prudent for the House not to consult the Irish
fined itself to annulling the monopoly of the Bane of Ireland, Bishops, but their own temperate and unbiassed judgment. Was
and to requiring security of the Banks, the measure would it fitting or proper that the House of Commons should be tam-
have been useful, bat in the circumstances of Ireland to pored with, and kept hesitating and delaying from day to day,
restrict the circulation would be pernicious. He would not until the consent and approval of the Roman Catholic Bishops
detain the House by the discussion of the general principles, had been obtained to the measure. ( Hear, hear.) He
but would proceed to move—
should never hear such a course hinted at without expressing
" That it shall be lawful for any bank now existing in Ireland, against it his most resolute protest. He would ask the
and which was not a bank of issue ota the 6th day of May, 1844, Hon. and Learned Member opposite what support he
to invest in the Government Three-and-a-Quarter per Cent, had received from the Roman Catholic priesthood in influenc.
Stock, any sum whatsoever, and transfer the same to the Corn- ing the people in the agitation of repeal. It was known that a
missioners for the Reduction of the National Debt, or such Catholic bishop, by the discipline of the Church, had autho-
other persons as the Lords of her Majesty's Treasury by war- rity to dispossess any priest of the revenues of his benefice, and
rant under their hanOs and seals, sleall direct, to accept of such this power was used as an instrument for compelling the priests
transfer; and thereupon the said Commissioners for the Re- to re-echo and confirm the sentiments of the bishop on any
duction of the National Debt, or such other persons, shall question that might arise, and it had been used for promoting
issue a certificate to such bank of the amount of stock so the spread of repeal.
transferred, and thereupon it shall and may be lawful for such Mr. O'CONNELL said he would not now enter into the
bank to issue their own promissory notes payable to bearer on subject of repeal. He thought the Hon. Gentleman would be
demand, to the amount of such stock so transferred : Provided an exceedingly bad member of Conciliation Hall. No Catholic
always, that there shall not be a sum less than fifty thousand bishop could deprive any priest of his benefice who had been
pounds of such stock so transferred at any one time. And be it regularly inducted into it. The Irish clergy never attempted
enacted, that in the event ofthe said bank stopping payment, or be- to interfere or meddle with the education of the Protestants,
coining bankrupt, that such stock shall be held in trust for the and he would claim for the education of the Catholics the same
persons creditors of the said bank, who shall be holders of the immunity. Although he could not precisely agree with the
said promissory notes of the said bank, at the time of such Right Hon. Baronet who stigmatised the present scheme as a
stoppage of payment or failure: provided always, that the godless system of education, he had come over to insist on the
said bank shall be entitled to receive the half yearly dividends absolute necessity of making religion the basis of their educe-
payable on the said stock, until stoppage of payment or bank- tion, and the total failure that would ensue if it were not
ruptcy : provided also, that the said bank shall make returns made the basis. It would be no harm to treat the Roman
of their issues of notes as the several banks of issue in Ireland Catholic bishops in a conciliatory manner. He would wish the
shall be bound to make such returns under this Act, and that present discussion to be carried on in a spirit of amity.
in case the issue of such bank shall exceed, at any one time, the Sir JAMES G RAHAM said he most cordially joined in the
amount of such stock so transferred, that such bank shall be sentiment last uttered by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, and
liable to the same penalties as the several banks of issue, he hoped that no great difference of opinion would exist among
shall be liable to for their excess of issue under the provisions them. The proposed scheme of education must be deeply in.
of this Act : provided also, that in case of their withdrawal of teresting to the Roman Catholics, and although he was not
their notes to an amount of fifty thousand pounds, or upwards, prepared to say that the Government would consent to summon
from circulation, then on proving the same to the satisfaction of the Roman Catholic bishops to their counsels on this subject,
the said Commissioners or the said persons so to be appointed, yet their opinion ought to be received with respect. In answer
an equal amount of such stock shall be re-transferred to the said to the question of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for
bank."
Dungarvon, he did say that the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland had
Mr. O'CONNELL, in seconding the motion that the reeeiveda deputation and memorial from the bishops. Some
clause be brought up, thought that he might as well state at of their objections had been resolved by an explanation at the
that opportunity what he had to say on this all. He was time. Since then no further communication had been
afraid the Right Hon. Baronet was mistaken in supposing that made between the Lord-Lieutenant and the bishops. The
his two amendments would give satisfaction. There were present plan did not provide for relieieus in
thirty or forty branch banks, in which it would be necessary the walls of the college, but no obstaclewouldnstruction be put forthwithi to
to keep specie, and at which no notes would be issued. This prevent religious education being conducted without the walls.
placed the Irish barks in a situation much worse than that of He would go further into the subject when he made the motion
the Scotch banks, for the latter would be required to have no for going into Committee on the Bill. He would take the pre-
more than one sovereign for any note they issued, whereas sent opportunity of stating that a reasonable time would be
the Irish banks would be required to have four sovereigns for afforded the people of Ireland for the full consideration of the
every note they issued. Let them look to the Report of Lord measure, before the third reading, and any alteration that might
Devon's Commission, and they would see that there were oe considered advisable would be attended to. He should
4,50,000 persons in Ireland in a state of deep destitution— postpone the motion for the Committee till Thursday next.
without employment, without clothes, without dwellings Sir WALTER JAMES said he was greatly surprised at
impervious to the rain—sleeping without blankets—feeding the observations of the Hon. Gentleman who had stated that
upon a scanty supply of potatoes, and having no drink but the hierarchy of Ireland had taken an active part in promoting
water. That was not his statement, but the statement of the the repeal agitation in Ireland. This was not the time for
Earl of Devon. He believed the Government did not wish going into the conduct of the Roman Catholic bishops, though
that state of things to continue. He believed they wished to he might observe that they had his sincere and hearty respect.
alter it. But they would not alter it by restricting the circu- To a certain respect he sympathised with them, in their
lation and the means of employment. Nobody paid money opposition to this measure. He could understand their
to Ireland, but one-fourth of the property of Ireland was ex- opposition to education of a scientific character, to teach-
pended to pay the demands upon her. ow, by limiting the ing of a purely material and physical nature, and why
circulation, the difficulty of payment would be increased. they should conceive such an education calculated to take away
They ought, therefore, to expand instead of restricting the cir- attention from heavenly things. It was reasonable that such a
oulation.—( Hear, hear.) In his opinion, and in the opinion plan should call forth such an opinion as that which had been
of those who were connected with banking in Ireland, that the made against the measure. It was his opinion that much of the
only thing wanted was to put down the monopoly of the bank of opposition which had been brought to bear against the measure
Ireland. It was too late for him now to discuss the would have been saved if the principle of the Bill had been
Bill, and he had to apologise to the House for applied under another name. It was said to be collegiate,
speaking upon the subject at that hour; which instead of which it was more universitarian than collegiate in its
be did only for the purpose of putting his opinion on character. He deeply regretted to live in days when every
record. The restriction of the currency upon a former occa- theologian was a politician, and every politician a theologian ;
sion had caused as much misery in Ireland almost as the revo- yet every measure of such a character as that before the House
lution caused in France ; mid he apprehended much similar was sure to be considered from such a point of view.
suffering from this new restriction. The abolition of the Mr. JEPHSON considered that nothing could be more
thirty-shilling notes would he severely felt, and would lower reasonable than the memorial of the Roman Catholic Bishops.
the price of every article. He concluded by seconding the nib- Unless they were satisfied with the measure, it was perfectly
tion, and thanking the House for its indulgence. useless for the Right Hon. Baronet to go forward with the
Sir R. PEEL then made a few observations which, from the question.
extremely low tone of his voice, were almost perfectly inaudible Mr. ROCHE only rose to state his great pleasure at the
in the gallery. He was understood to say that he took a totally speech delivered by the Hoe. Baronet ( Sir Walter James).
distinct view from the Hon. Gentleman of the principles on lie considered the best course was to allow the measure, after
which this measure was founded. The stability of credit and the discussion which had taken place on it, to go into Ireland,
the solvency of banks were, in his opinion, things which would there to be discussed previous to its final settlement. He was
tend to the prosperity of Ireland. He had seen Ireland when delighted at this course, as he was sure it would lead to a good
there was no restriction whatever to paper currency ; and he understanding regarding the general principle of the Bill.
recollected that the same amount of poverty existed. He had After a few words from Mr. J. W. HOPE,
seen cases of issuing where the reaction led to the failure of The Report of the resolution of the Committee was put
almost every bank. He had seen almost every bank in the west and and agreed to.
south of Ireland reduced to a state which rendered them unable
to discharge their obligations. They ought to secure them-
selves against temporary excess. As to the security which no-
minal convertibility gave against the excessive issue of paper,
he would not be betrayed into an argurneW on that matter. He
desired that the banks would issue notes, governed in amount
by the amount of specie which they held, and if such a rule
were established they would have quite sufficient to prevent
any embarrassment arising. The construction of railways in
Ireland, and the facility of communication would of course in-
crease the transfer of specie. His belief was, that if the
banks in Ireland were perfectly solvent, that there would exist
in that country, as in Scotland, no desire-to have gold in ex-
change for paper, provided the stability of that paper was se-
cured by perfect confidencen the solvency of the banks. The
Hon. Gentleman opposite (It, r. O'Connell) thought that the
issue of paper ought rather to
dependi on the commercial ede-
mand than on its own vain That was a difference of prin-
ciple. If his principle prevailed,T of course the measure would
not pass—they had a right to take every security that paper
H
could be turned into gold.
wished, as far as possible, to
defer to the wishes of the Irish Members, and he thought that
the institution of four offices insteaci of one, and the extension
of thirteen months, wgpld secure to the House the general ap_
probation of the measure.
Mr. TRELAWNEY opposed the Bill of the Right Hon.
Baronet, as a system of restriction and interference with per_
feet free trade in banking.
Mr. ROSS did not think it satisfactory that there should be
conr places having credit for the amount of gold in the coffers,
and that only two of them should be in the provinces.
Mr. HA W' ES said that he thought that one object of the
Right Hon. Baronet was to maintain paper in equal value with
gold. Upon that ground he quite coneureed with him. Another
object was to restrict the number of joint-stock banks in be-
im!. If they drew an inference from Scotland it would be
the *rest of Ireland to have local joint-stock banks increased.
He did' not think that the measure was one calculated to benefit
Ireland, though that was evidently the intention of the Right
Hon. Baronet.

USUY L AWS.
The CHANCELLOR ofR the EXCHEQUER asked leave
bring in a Bill to extend the present Usury Law, relative
.0 Bills of short date.---Agreed tr

._ .0.
TlAlBEgr_fl SHIPS' BILL.
The Timber Ships' Bill was read a second time and
agreed to.

SUPPLY.

The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought up,
and received.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at half-past ten o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, June 16.
Their Lordship met at Five o'clock.
RAILWAYS.

Messengers from the Commons brought up a number of
railway Bills, which were severally read a first time.
Earl FITZWILLIAM laid upon the table of the House
the report of the Select Committee lately appointed to
ascertain the best mode of satisfactorily adjusting disputes be-
tween landholders and railway companies relative to the pur-
chase of landed property Mr the purposes of railways.
MAYNOOTH.
The Bishop of London, the Bishop of Winchester, Lord
Winchilsca, and the Earl of Breadalbane, presented a large
number of petitions against the third reading of the Maynooth
Bill.

MESSAGE FROM HER MAJESTY—SIR HENRY
POTTINGER.
The Earl of ABERDEEN
moved the order of the day for
taking into consideration her Majesty's message recommending
their Lordships to concur with her in granting a pension of
1,5001. a year to Sir Henry Pottinger, K. C. 8., for the period
of his natural life.
The Noble Lords having uncovered,
•
The LORD CHANCELLOR read her Majesty's message.
The Earl of ABERDEEN then said, he rose
to move an
humble address to her Majesty, in answer to the message which
she had sent to their Lordships, and in doing so, it would
only be necessary to detain them for a very few
minutes, for he had already had opportunities in that
House of bearing testimony to the great merits
of the distinguished person who, on the present occasion, was

The CHANCHILLOR of the EXCHEQUER opposed the
&awe. Solvency would be better secured by not establishing
the we which were contained in the clause.
11% HUME did not think that the reasons which had been

the object of her Majesty's gracious consideration. He had
not been sparing In those expressions of admiration and praise
of that conduct which was considered by her Majesty
to be so justly done. Those sentiments had
found an echo throughout the whole country. In every
part of the kingdom, whether in England, Scotland, or Ire-
land, Sir H Pottinger had been welcomed with enthusiasm,
and every effort had been made to do him honour.
But it was clear that the vast majority of those
persons who had so united in expressing such opinions,
had very little means of duly estimating the real merits
of Sir Henry Pottinger. They looked upon the bound-
less field which he had opened to British enterprise,
and to that inexhaustible source of commercial wealth
and prosperity, which, by his means, had been
rendered accessible to their fellow-countrymen. But he felt it
his duty to say that the real merits of Sir H. Pottinger would
have deserved their Lordships' approbation and the ap-
probation of the Sovereign equally as much if his
exertions in China had not been attended by such
magnificent results--for through his whole conduct in China it
was his (the Earl of Aberdeen's) good fortune in the relation
which he stood towards him to bear testimony to the conduct
which he pursued. Sir Henry Pottinger in being called
to service in China was removed from a service and from a
school to which he (the Earl of Aberdeen) might be permitted
to say the State had been greatly indebted. He knew not how
it was, but whether from long habits of self reliance or
from taking part in great affairs, the fact was
that the service of the East India Company had produced men
who, by the energy of their characters and the statesmanlike
views which they entertained, were peculiarly qualified to con-
tend successfully with the greatest difficulties, and to confer
most signal advantages on their country. When Sir H. Pot-
tinger went to China, he found the negotiation in a state of
complete confusion, and the utmost difficulty was placed in his
way to bring the matter to a right adjustment He had been
engaged in the direction of both the naval and military forces
—he might say, of the largest force that had ever left this
country—and had, under a variety of circumstances, suc-
ceeded in giving peace to the empire. He had united, in the
most wonderful manner, those qualities which had enabled him
to consolidate the efforts of both the services, and had so suc-
ceeded in executing the duties of his office, as to convert hatred
and suspicion into confidence and friendship. It was the exer-
cise of those strong faculties with which he was so extraordi-
narily gifted, and it was under the most difficult circumstances,
that he had, after having exhibited his high qualities in the
sphere of India, followed it up in China with the same energy
and success. During the whole of the time in which he had
been employed in China, though it !fad been a great effort with
the Government to furnish him with as precise instruc-
tions as they could possibly give, yet much had,
of necessity, been left to his own discretion ; and
there was not, throughout the whole of his pro-
ceedings, a single act which had not met with the approba-
tion of her Majesty's Government. He would not enter into
details, but he would give the results of the negotiations in
which Sir H. Pottinger had been engaged, and which were
highly satisfactory to the country. By the returns which had
been given of the British imports into Canton in 1844, there
had been 3,451,0001., and 3,383,000/. of exports. Such was
the result in one of the ports of China, and their Lordships
would be able to judge of the effect which would be wrought on
British commerce with the whole of China. The northern
ports showed equal returns, and with Shanghai and Amoy
especially the commerce was largely increasing. By the re-
port of the intelligent gentleman who acted as Consul at Can-
ton the whole of the trade with China was conducted in the
most orderly and satisfactory manner, and ever since the en-
gagements had been formed the treaty had been fulfilled in
every respect by the Chinese Government to the letter. But
however great this success, and however great the trade which
had been opened by it, it was necessary to preserve it with both
moderation and justice towards those with whom we had to
deal. Without more words he would read the message of her
Majesty, and move a resolution, " that their Lordships would
cheerfully concur in giving effect to her Majesty's gracious
consideration of the services of Sir H. Pottinger."
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the Noble Earl
had truly stated that other opportunities had arisen for noticing
the celebrated individual who had now been brought under
their consideration by her Majesty's message. It was a singu-
lar fact, that while Sir Henry Pottinger had received instruc-
tions from one Government, and had other instrucitons from
another, he had succeeded in enjoying the confidence of both
Governments. He was glad to learn that a reward was pro-
posed for services which had conferred such a high benefit on
the country. If her Majesty's Government had gone further,
and conferred the highest reward which had been given for
diplomatic services, he believed that their Lordships would
have been quite ready to justify it; hut he knew how much the
Government were bound by precedents, and therefore he
thought that on this account they were not to be blamed.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that upon the subject of
the merits of Sir Henry Pottinger he would say nothing, con-
curring as he did in the meed of praise now awarded to him,
but in common justice to Sir Hugh Gough, Sir W. Parker, and
the other officers who had served with so much zeal, energy,
and ability under them, and who had carried into effect the
instructions of Sir Henry Pottinger, he could not allow that
vote to pass without recording his appreciation of those great
services. It was well known that the Chinese were not
reasoned into a a peace but were beaten into it by arms, and
there appeared to be a strange misconception entertained with
respect to the naval and military operations that were then
carried on. These were not under the directions of Sir Henry
Pottinger, nay more, they were against his directions. He
had every wish to give his tribute of praise to Sir Henry Pot-
tinger's civil services, but he thought that the army
and navy were not to be overlooked on such an
occasion. The House of Commons bad expressed
their approbation of those services, and Sir Hugh
Gough had obtained a reward of the greatest emolument in
consideration of them, but where, he would ask, was the re-
ward of Sir Wm. Parker? If he had only defeated a few ves-
sels in a single engagement, he might have expected at least a
little notice, but his services were .carried over a period of seve-
ral months, in shallow water of difficult navigation, and over
' no less than seventy vessels, with the most consummate suc-
cess. He thought, in conclusion, that he was bound, from a
sense of public duty, as well as in justice to the individuals con-
cerned, and with whom he 'sad co-operated in carrying out these
splendid results, to record his appreciation of their deserts on
the present occasion.
The Earl of HADDINGTON said that if his Noble Friend
had been aware of the discussions which had taken place in
that and the other House of Parliament, he would have known
that the thanks of Parliament were conveyed to both those
Gallant Officers for their exertions on the occasions referred to.
He was certain that no one who was present could forget the
language which the Noble Duke on his right hand had used on
that occasion. He did not, however, confine his remarks to
Sir H. Gough. The order of the Grand Cross of the Bath
had been conferred on the Illustrious Admiral, Sir William
Parker, and shortly after his return home a baronetcy had been
conferred on him. Since that the most important command at
the disposal of her Majesty's Government had been given to
him. He had been appointed to the command of the Medi-
terranean fleet. He would not enter into a comparison of the
naval and military operations that were then carried on, be-
lieving as he did that the successful results which Sir H. Pot-
linger had achieved were partly attributable to both; and
Parliament was desirous to record their appreciation of those
services.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH was well aware ef the ap-
pointment which had been conferred on Sir W. Parker, but his
Noble Friend had not touched upon the point of honour. Another
officer, perhaps, could not be got so well qualified to take the
command in the Mediterranean.
The Earl of HA DDINGTON said that there were officers
equally well qualified to take that command.
The Earl of ELLEN BOROUGH said that, with the excep-
tion of Sir George Cockburn, there was not an officer in the
service so well qualified.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE hoped that nothing which
fell from him could be construed into any disparagement of the
services of Sir Wm. Parker. So far from saying anything to
his disparagement, he would be sorry to omit anything he knew
that would tend to the praise of that great admiral—for he
would call him a great admiral—but he thought that after the
greatest command in the habitable globe had been conferred
upon hie, any eulogium from him as to his merits was per.
fcctly unnecessary.
After a few words in explanation from the Earl of GLEN-
GAL, the address was agreed to.
MAYNOOTH.
Lord R ODEN presented a number of petitions from various
parts of Ireland against the grant to Maynooth.
TRAVELLING ON RAILWAYS ON SUNDAYS.
A Right Rev. PRELATE presented a petition from Sussex
against any unnecessary traffic on railways on Sundays.
MAYNOOTH.
On the order of the day for the third reading of the College
of Maynooth Bill being read,
Lord CAMPBELL said, as he presumed it was not the
intention of the Noble Earl (the Earl of Winchilsea‘,
to bring forward the notice which he had on the books v:acii
the Bill had been read a third time, it being in the nat.„r„f
a clause to be added to the Bill, he would shortly state the
grounds on which he should support the measure. No doubt
the Bill would be carried by an overwhelming enejority ; but
r the results to be expected from it very much depended on the
IsepdirtitheinGwehviecrhnmitenwtouteld
pbreeppeassesedit,. andHeonwethe whicheanrxeiaeseoenste
state
that he did not support the measure from any apprehension of
agitation, or from any dread of a k,reign war. If these were
the reasons on which he and others supported it, they would
have the effect of placing
Mr. (J'Connell on a higher pinnacle
than that he had occupied, sin'.*his trial. Neither did he sup-
port the Bill because the Ciovernment had gained a triumph
over education, because t/.re Government was now strong, and
could afford to be geneilous, and might therefore bestow a boon
which it might otherwise withhold,—but he could not
help stating that 'their measures towards Ireland had hitherto
been unfortunate,., A Noble Friend (the Marquis of Clanricarde)
on Friday gavC, a true statement of the public mind in Ireland.
He (Lord Campbell) did not support the measure, merely on
thd
notn,:t that it was to supply a defect in former grants—be
di proceed merely upon the dilapidated state of the build-
ing, or on the wretched condition of the students, for he
thought it was a sufficient answer to the arguments that
had been brought forward against this measure oh religious
',rounds, that it was only a continuation of former grants;
but if it were merely to be considered as an isolated measure
and nothing mere were to be done, he doubted whether evil
instead of good might not be expected. He could not sup-
port the measure as a step to the endowment of Roman Ca-
tholic Churches in Ireland, out of the public revenue, while the
Protestant Church of Ireland retained its present monstrous
dimensions.—( Hear, hear.) He was fully convinced
that they never could expect peace in that country
until there was complete equality between Protestants and
Roman Catholics, on civil and religious grounds. He
supported the measure, because he considered •it a Parlia-
mentary recognition that hereafter in Ireland Protestants and
Roman Catholics were to be dealt with alike. He would
venture with confidence to point out a plan by which Ireland
could be governed, and by which Ireland might be rendered
peaceful, prosperous, and contented. Let them place the Ro-
man Catnolics and the Protestants of Ireland on exactly the
same footing. With so much and no less would the Roman
Catholics be contented. He did not complain of the exist.
ence of the Episcopal Protestant Church in Ireland, because
he could not place any faith in the voluntary principle. It was
he thought the duty of the State to provide religious
instruction for all classes of the people ; but it was a lament-
able fact that, hitherto, those who had been most in need of
religious instruction had been left entirely destitute of it. It
seemed to him, however, very important for the character of
the clergy themselves, that they should not depend for aub-
sistence entirely upon their flocks, but that they should be
rendered independent, and thus remove their apprehensions
of becoming unpopular, and prevent their resorting to un-
worthy acts for the purpose of obtaining a decent living. There
were from 7,000 to 8,000 persons in Ireland of the Episcopalian
persuasion, and it was highly becoming that their re',igious
wants should be amply provided for. Far be it, therefore, from
him to sanction any measure which should have the I east ten-
dency to take the whole of their rights and privileges from them ;
but he could not forget that there were 7,000,000 of Roman
Catholics in Ireland who were required to obey the law, who
were required to contribute to the public revenue, who were re-
quired to defend the State by their personal services, and yet
they were refused the same facilities for obtaining religious in-
struction.—(Hear, hear.) While there was no prospect of
Roman Catholics being converted to the faith of the Estab-
lished Church, their clergymen, who were to instruct them,
ought to be well educated. There were errors in the Roman
Catholic religion, and no one could dislike them more than he
did ; but the question was not whether there were errors, but
whether these who were attached to it should receive instruction
in the tenets they professed trom ignorant or educated men—
whether they should live entirely upon the subscriptions of

cipate its effects. A new generation vas springioffui
witnessing the good intentions and practical g00d,..c0
riel
vernment, would yield all the gratitude and obea;s, i
such good deserved. He would conclude by re; 0 '
extract from Burke, in whose policy this Bill b3"1,,b,
—4' I spoke on the supposition that there Will be '
to take things as you find them, whether it be i th 4
Catholic, or consist of both. Hitherto the P 1110 I
vernment was to sacrifice the prosperity tivil
try to ideas of religious improvemet; %to
WI" olis
ple in power at length came to ,4600 a
-,
ideas, and consider good order, decorum, l'"04
rality, and legislate accordingly, they would do 10 Ode
by all the polemical discussions which had oeourj lisdou
beginning of the world.' The Noble 3lar4
Ms_ pre*
saying he would give his hearty sanction to the
for
of the Bill.
The House then divided, when there sPeel'-'
third reading—
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On our entering the Pouse, 0011"11
The Earl of WINCHILSEA was speaking 01 ste
the passing of the Bill, and contended that the lif
Proper course was to dissolve the Commons 110°40
merit. This wan a e
g b
reat constitutional q ;z4
uestion
next election the people of England would retro
.70
and give by their vote a sufficient assurance ts}
l of Pig.
sure was contrary to the sense of the peeP f feeliw,k
was aware that he spoke with such wartoth °, to gr--
he was induced to fear that he was not a peic%det
—( Hear, hear, and " No.") The Govern mot uotog
they lived was a hereditary monarchy, though in
it was uncontrolled. They had proposed a rehietilla
if it had been proposed by the Noble Lord P.
_,.it
one individual opposite would have voted in its Del b/..
thought that if it was passed it ought to be pas?! . #
whose principles assimilated with it. He woultctle giro /4
liberty to all, but he could not think how 0., I).e sea
Lords who had that evening addressed the Howes it
was a member of the Catholic religion; ;;000 t
that e
h was prepared to submit the
5, goose,
were read at Maynooth College to their Lordship ,ere it
was The ht
lei e cal ause
passed.
lieving as he must do, 'that the doctrines taugubitd,wthere
anti-social, disloyal, and intolerant Ile lof three lie
move as an amendment that, after the expiratiosc
of this A
no
Afterf ur t h ear
fseuvrin
wordssh oul should
from beg
Lordrante diloßro thes.r.rr:
and
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membered Madame Anna Thillon,
was negatived without a division,
be not inappropriately assumed as 3 °IC" g O"
parture draws ni
Drury every evening, but alas! fade, ,
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The brightest still the Dee
We are soon doomed lo lose The En.--A 0 the terra
titled Nat/,alie followed,
last w of her
. eek but one of her enga ement, an. gen} t° wat
g f ttrac:ion nd pew
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Last night the theatre crovrded to
, , ore eharlet e.AT''
Thillon in better voice —never did sbe sine more
Dew - dee"
never did she act with greater fascinatin. .
_re Weiss ~..,,,,i,
spirit that we could almost fancy
Belle Louise
, ipg fief 50 Made° „
Gitana ' withtaste and e''''' len." dancer 0-
selles Louise and Silvain reat _ 130
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gave us tn. . b Dation sign
with the
herself
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the stage. She is so thoroughly trin.,,, Sens te ii 0'
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