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SEVEN ACRES

of Rich Arable, Pasture, Meadow, and Wood I,:intl, Tithe•
tyi,T eninput, and a Turnpike-road through the
ESthIC, 'lli A beautiful p.art et the County of Warwick, and
iy►thecct►treQt'tit. rux I lunt, t wel 'tom Banbury,
am ;ion; Warwick, et vcn trom Smith:tin, nine train Strat.
ford on Avon, and eight tram Shipston, all Market l'nwns ;
with the l'erpctual Advowarni 01 the Vicarage of Great

Tile great and small Tithes of rather more than Two
Hundred and Twenty•seven Acres of Land g a Substantial
ivith suitlble s,t Nctial and detached Ottices, and
that-buildings, and the Shell uf a spaciou., Nem-built Stone
inied with !mid:. 'slated and leaded, ereCted. in a
superior style. •tinder the direition of Mr. Cockerill.
About Seventy. tour Acres of the kiwi surrounding the
Mansion, are in hand ; the rem.siuder of the Estate is prin-
cipally into hrce Forms, only one or which is let
Ledue, which will expire at Lally-U-1, 18111; the others
ate let at w.ll, or in liAnd,

The Farm Houses and Buildings are most of them newly
'and sulataotially built. The Plantations aie of ornamental
grtmth; there',
,a running Stream through the Estate and
a sheet of Water might be trade at a tittling expelled. ,
Kinetun iloiy post, and +a situated uu UM Turnpike.
road to London through Banbury.
P.m of the iitirchise money may lay on Mortgageiof the
Esi.ne, art:W.lll'rd.
be Viewed by application at, the Estate; and Particu-
lars had at Meisri. and liauriistvr, Solitators, Ship.
sin;i-olt..Stottr; at the W.ir,s Lk mins ; nn, Warwick, Whiw
Strattortt.on.Aivon ; l(ed Linn, Hatitntiy ; of Wllfiam
W.l inn, hag, (;intleri' 14411, loinghill-attect ; ai the
vl.r ; and of &least*. ilvgurt awl „Phillip'', Va. 44, (kJ
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HOUSE OF coMmO Ns;
wIit,NaRDAY, JULY 17.
CASE OF TILE VISOUARD. . . .
Lord COCiIRANE ‘tiSIICCI to knew if he was at lip
beriy. ti, moie. for :the Papers; of which .he had
given, notice.en a .foriner,day. It he was permitted
to proceed, he w:is Rerstiaded that rite house would
be iuhuCeu to investigate. Some of the caLiaes, to
which he should call their attention; a step which
contribute to relieve the expenditure of il;ei
couotrY; aiin benefit the landholders, its, well as
every other dais of the Community,- in an essen4
OM degree. .
•.,
,
Mi. 1 bakE on,ervess, t hat as the notice stood yesterday, and was nowainung-.the number of.
tli`r dropped orders, the proper course would be to
renew it for aeother. day..
Atter a,le.v words from Mr. STRPI!EN, the No.-
bleLo«I was,,permitted, to proceed.
Lard (.:OCHRANg eaid, that the system at present.
a !Opted in the Courts Of Admiralty, and-upheld, by'
the Government, was most injurious to the irate
rests of the country. ft rendered it necessary that
,:in.encernious Naval establishment should be Main.
tained, fur the purpose •of executing a duty ex..
tremely ill, which a smallerpOrtion, . under a diffe.
rent kegulatien, would be capable of executing with
effect. In what lie had, to sty upon the present
oc;:a,ion, he. should refer, to the siatenient of the
Right Hon. Gentlenian himself. (Mr. Ruse).' . It
would be theta found that the Hight Hon. Gentle-
man had asserted that the interests of the Navy
wore bast conducted by being' in the King's Pioc-
tor's care ; this appeared to him (Lord Cochrane)
extraordinary, when he considered that the con.
cerns of the whole navy were committed to ono
man, when lie considered the striL and careful in•
sestigafion which was necessary in order to detect
frauds, and the impossibility of a single, petson at.
tending to. 60 or 60 causes in the course of .a day
in the Conn of Admitahy, and when he considered
further, 'that there were at this moment 1000 yes,
sets in litigation in the Court of Appeals. He had
taken the trouble to sum them up, and he found
that the whole Navy of England had but ge causes
ie progress, while only 12 privateers were prosecut-
ing LlO ; the inference from this Was, either that
the Officers of the Navy had negleaed their duty,
or that they wanted confidence, in his Maje,ty's
Procurator General, in whom they must have con.
tided if they would litigate. Another observation
male by the Right Hon. Gentleman gas, that he
had not found occasion to disapprove. of the charges
made by the Crown Officers ; he was sorry to hear
that, and wished to know whether he approved or
not of the regulation by which his Majesty's At,
torney-Gt-neral received 22 guineas for every cruse
heard in the Court of Appeals, whether lie attended
there or not. If a neutral cause was to be tried, his
did Out see wht the Officers of the
_Navy should
not have a choice of their own. counsel, like any
other member of the community. It was impossi.
ble that the war could ever finish while.things.went
on in this way. The damage to France from in-
tercepting,ihe commerce of the coast, would not be
less than the damage to this country, if the mouth
of the Thames Was blocked up. He was not afraid
to assert (giving the Officers of the Navy .all the
merit of zeal for the service) that many.of them
were deterred from taking neutrals by the, conduct
of the Court of 'Admiralty. For that very reason,
he hod never taken a neutral in the whole-course of
his life, and never should. The Right Hon. Gen•
tleman had stated, that sever:il causes had been de+
cided in which the fees of the King's Proctor did
not amount to more than eight guineas ; bat this
was not the usual charge, as appeared in the in.,
stances of the Two Sisters, where his bill amounted
to the sum of sbtil. After enumerating other cases
of overcharge, he maintained, that taking Doctors'
Commons in the aggregate, it did more misChref to
the ~..ountry than all the sinecures put together.
The experience of twenty years' service enabled
him to state, that a saving might be ;made on this
bead of not less than 5,000,0001.; by re6lifyi*ng
these abuses, one half of the Navy would do mere
than the whole of it at present. He approved of
many acts of the Right Hon. Mr. Yorke since he
came into office, and
.pattLehrly of the reappoirit-
meat of Sir Robert Calder ; hut he cou'd not help
!'regretting that his attention was not directed to sub.
Jetts of this sort. It was a notorious lad, that all
cases in the King's Proctor's office were condiatied
by bribes, as he would isoilcrtake to prove. The
docurmot to which he hadditected his observations
Was not only not aatistivetory, but unfounded. It
might be said, that the Proctor's bills %ere liable,
to be taxed, but the exponce was enormous, tied
he knew of a case in which it amounted 10 601.
The investigation of those eases which he had pro-
duced. to the House, would do more good Waif any
Resolutions on the 'subject of depreciated curt enty,
depreciated on that account. In the crae of the
Lapwing, 4251. had been given as a bribe to the
clerks of the 'Pro&or's Office. The remedy for this
was simple : the old !attest were good' enough ; let
them stand, but 'enforce them. Th&re was a law
directing that the Table of tees alintild he hung up
in the Court of Admiralty, at Malta, but this was
.nut complied with instead of which, it. was placed
.behind the door of a rootri; %Otero they eat slid
drank, and pin on their gowni and wigs. When
he appealed to this document -found a table, of
fees which there was no tunlers,,andlng. and on
the suspicion of haring removed it, he was pat int()
gaol; where he would have been confined till-now,
if he had not jinneed tiOt of a window. Having
expies,ed his determination to bring forward a
iu the course of tiext Ses.ian, to amend the. 45th
of the King; for the 'purpose of remedying those
abtasesi his Loidship cottehOed a nit moving for
Jove to I papers ratting to the pit,* taken by the
Itaotird.

441
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Mr. RO3ll Raid, be sbould not follow ibe Noble
lige. through ill the deviltory matter he had intro-
duced into It's speech, or through all the cases he
had thought proper to introouce, without any re-
fe;ctice to th-. questton, and without any previous
er,tiets; Pot, as-tits case of the Fisguard bad attract..
ed touch attentihn honi the public, he felt it his
duty t tome tor papers in order to answer the
1-10 ~•ait surprised to hear the Noble Lord,
accuse Aritii of iniS:Staietiteitt. with • re.pett to the
'Proefor ; his assertion was, that the affairs
of a' Navy wete better situated in the hands of one
man rat great responsibility ; and to that 'opinion be
adhered. The Nobl. 1 ord had said that fewer
cacses were litigx-d by the, Navy than by priva.
seers; by Mar in his judgment arose trom.the pru-
dence of the King" Procter, who investigated
and advised against rash preceeditto; he was
a'sharned to dwell upon all the ca.es broaght for.
ward by the Noble Linsl, but thought it necessary
to explain wly.the case of the Fisguard was, that
thellOuse might decide upon its merits. Captain
&Leon, an (dicer of .great respeslability and Charac-
ter, had written to him, ,Stating some inconv,oi.
time' and inju,tice, which he supposed to have been
committed in respect to those vessels : to this letter
he'iqtd replied on 'the 2ist day of ,January. After
1)110: g duty inVcstigated the bets, w hich turned out
to, honour of the King's Tiodor, the Noble
Lo,d had said, that it. was she clerks. who did . the
business, but however :that might be, the. King's
Proctor was responsible. . The Noble Lord had
found fault with an Ad of Parliament ; he was not
responsible for tlqu.. Having entered into the par-
ticulars of some Lharges by the' King's Proctor, to
proVe their moderation, he thought it would be the
best way to react the answer oft Csptain Mason to
his letter, that thelfouse. might see lioW the mat=
ter stood in the mind of the person most deeply in-
terested, (liere the Hon. Member ptoceetied• to
read some extracts in which the thanks of the gal-
lant Otlicer were warmly expressed, for the prompt
imestigailon,ol the case, am! a tribute of applause
prunuunceu upott the general condua of the Trea-
Surer 01 the Navy, and the Judge of the Admiralty
Court.) This was the testimony ,ot the Person most
concerned t.' the caw, agaiiist that of the Noble
Lord who had tatten it up, withoutineuiry. As to
the. case of the' Lapwing, w lip was said to hare
501 A as alnihe to the King's Prottor's Office,
wrouid explain it 3 nature. In going through the
ac6puv is of the. prize it did not appear to him. that
that bum had ben accounted for, and therefore he
Wrote, to the ,Agt:mts, who returned at! answer iti
explanation, ,seating that it was a' case in which a
parocuiar tesponsindity was attached l'oCaiti. Steel,
rand.ie►clo a:letter from him, which deClared that
lie had ptLd tie sum With .the consent of the c
fors. th) investigation. it appeared, that Lie sum
was .paid tor totormatirio,„ and that without which
the coudeiwiatioe could not be effected, and that
not uric sixpence of it 'had beep paid to the Kitig`a
Proctor er ;,is ()dicer,. How could ,he 'Noble
Laud tee nc ilc buck charges to himself ? Could
there now arty doubt Upon this case it was so
doehttut, that the King's Proctor had' advised against
it, and it, would never have been brought to a fa.
ivo.;rahle 14StiO but f‘ir the evidence procured by the
boot. The Noble Lord had ‘itid, that he never had
at:i4ed a neutral, and never would: Tite Noble
Lold wits the Ucst jodge of his own conduct, but to
anowiedge some' of the best Officers did so, and
lie was sure"would continue to do so still. He did
not to WOW any .charge against the Navy
Agects,' Who were a respedable class of 'men, but
he most repeat, that the intelesis of the Navy were
bcttei sectard is hen,under the'dirt-ction of olio-per.:
son.' It was Unnecessary•tor burn to detain the
}-louse a!,y longer, ha hortd he had shewn to
their hatiStatliOtt that the charge of the 'Noble Lord
was unfounded.

Air. STErtIENI wished to exp,ress -his indignation
at !he cruet manner adopted by the Noble Lord of
treating public tnett.----The Noble Lord had biota&
charge, against the King's Pro Liar, which, it true,
must render bun uniVortitYlo hold any sitnatifm in
thi's minify. Yet what course did the Noble Lord
plane ? Did he impeachhun No ; but 'h mu% ed
tor certain papers, which had no more relation to
the ca3e.tban to any other case which 1.41 us net, yet in
contemplation., \V by did not the Noble bird adopt
ano, her course. Why did he not go to the
Lord of. the Admiraly, whose conducl he was
obliged to compliment i—rie hat KIRI that he had
proofs r., why he not go to tie...! Cwrt of King's
Bench,. and produce them f lint no, he was - satis-
fied with merely moving for some .'accetrotia which
he consiiered a consistent conclusion to a charge of
brpery. 'rids was not the way -to treat public men:
Snpoosing that a charge had been made against the
Noble Lord himself at that late period of the Ses-
*ion, accusing him at pecula ion, Or some 'other
crime, and that 'ail this was followed up by a rno.
than for the produMion of hie accounts, would he
clot_ eottiplAtt of being moat itopropeq 'treated, and
say ever) ~ jia tice and litunchilty had tivea
tiolattal with respnt to hint ? But it appeared after
all 'that the King's Prnzior hart not received the
bribe. lie begged leave to remind the Noble Lord
of a forrier occasion, upon which be had accused
tint King's Prottor, and compelled the Government
to lay open to the world the agency of a Gentleman,
who, it ever he tell into the hands of the French,
might surltq trona the driclosare: The Member
for Bedford had declared upon that occasion, that
the explanation of the Governount was' most sa-
iistttiory, yet the x' total had OWN 'brOkiglit for-
writ a new charge Which ha ta d .tau sail:atilt:l66ly an-
awased also. As to the asseriion that 'ha King's
Prodor dermuned immoderate 'tee3,, lie believed
them to be leis than those of (illicit, rind cited some
itwances in which the Noble Lord hiMselt was don-
ccrwd, proof of the Moderation of his charges.
interest of the Navy itself required that (aic
diponstle person should be employed, and tie in-
dkidutit accased appeared entitled to the 'thanks of
tie countiy. H ho. ed when the Noble Lord heard
buch Timis in future, that be WOuidsex.stnine them
t first, 4.,:rid go to the Admiralty where Infer-
privatety
matron was never refused. At all eients, he hoped
that he would Deter stint) the end of a
Eton to attack the charaCter of any individual in a
measure which was out warranted by the circum-
litant es of t lie case.
Mr. FialiCaUlinit said, that as to the charge of sixty
tiirlehs alluded to by the Noble Lord, he would
take upon himself to say the Court was twenty

!Tomo to decide whettrer was an nniasonable
demand.

Lord CoOtteaste, in reply, declared, that he had
*received no answer to any olio if his cages. He ex-
pected from the Bight Hen. csentleitiau soate.-
plattation of he reason_for wit:l4l94l)g the answer
of Cooke and•HaVerd, which was never 'printed.
He thought he could state that the aviswer [teetered
the sum inquired tor, ,nut to he the Arettaries
In Imagine forward a garbled tiaper., he hail done
what no Member of that House ought-to,do. He
renewed the charge of bribery, and denies: titer the
small number of .Navy eauses.was,oveing to the vi-
gilance of 'the 'Procurator' General : the cases to
which he had allotted were 'in the. Court of-,Appeal,
and the result haTconfirmcd die opinion et those
who brought them forward. If the papitelvet-e
granted, it was his wish that they .h.oerld be-Yelterred
to a Committee. He would repeat; thatlenurtable
should be made 'wit, by which the *Navy might
kootie whether they were wtom;ed or teat. He
agreed that the Law_Oilicera.ooght to he liberally
rewarded, but the Itntg's Precurator,Geeeral had the
greater half of all the erizesttigated ie that Couit.
There ought to be half a dozen King's Proctors, at
least, and the Attorncy.-qeneral ought not lo be
paid for staying away, ancl the Honunrable Gentle-
Man for coming. He read 'smut; extrilas 'rpm a
Memorial of ,Sir Alexander Cochrane, complaining
Of the practice of confining the whole Navy bust-
ne,s to the King's Proator; and repteseMea the ne-
ceSsity of cutting off the creh,;ll trade on the coast
of Italy.
Mr. Rosa, in explanation, said, that the
.No-
ble Lord was, he behaved, the only Naval (A-
ter who would Suspeat hen of throwing a .shield
over the Navy Agents. As tie Noble Lord had
returned to the charge of bribery,' Le ihought.it
necessary to repeat what lie had ahead), said, that
the five hundred pounds was given to obtain iu-
fortnatiom
Lord COCHRANE said, he had not accused the
Hon. Gentleman 'of partiality to tue Agents, .but
only that he ought to have made tnere,..ieebiry,,and
give further information.
Mr. STEPHEN. said, that thoggh the Attorney
General eoirld not always attend in Court, the
Crown and the Captors had the advawage• of his
a,, v i tie . , .
The kinCORNEY-GENERAI, said, it was trunthat
the Law Officers of his Maje,ry had not been pre-
sent at all the causes in, the Cow t of 'Admiralty; but
this 'he could say, that all the little assistance.he
could render always had been tendered. The cases
were telly diScubs,:d in consultations, and he had
never Idled to attend the Privy Council. It it was
imputed, to him as a great onatssion that he did not
constantly attend in Court, he ce.nid say it was tt).
possible. He trusted that those who knew him
and his preetice wOuld not suwe6t that tie desetied
what had been rather harshly imputed to litmeh his
absence. He bad always made his private business
yield to his public duty.
Lund CtiC 11 RAN E said he had not charged him
wit II any wilful negleal ; all he contended for was,
that if he could nut. attend, he ought. not to be
paid.
Mr. Percu Moyne conceived that the House
ought to grant the motion, in order to give the Noble
Lord art opportunity at making goad tMt-charges.
Woen a. prison standing forward in the light tit 'a
public accuser brought on charges which were 'an-
swered, and notwithstanding that answer,eepeated
the charges, it watt in common justice due to that
person, to :Ilford him the means of grounding a mo-
tion (or a Committee to' inquire into the truth of
what he had stated.
The CHANCELLOR of the Excneo.use-had never
heard 'a more preposterous doctrine than that ad-
vanced by the Hon. Getitlenian who spOke last.
What, because the ground upon which the charges
of the NooleLord were built was taken from that,
theretere the; House was botnid 'to grant the mo-
tion. It was a proceeding that could not be tole-
rated. The King's proattir bad been charged' vvith-
out due notice
,given to him Oldie charges; for all
that was known on the subject previous to bringing
it forwardi was a notice on the book of thetatile,
`c For Papers relating to Ships taken_ by the. is-
guard." .In this notice was there any' titue of evi-
dence or charge of Bribery rignicw the King's Praetor,
so tha tit could be met ? Was there Mee,' any miscon-
duct imputed to "hat officer ? Yet in the statement
of the Noble Lord he very broadly charged corlup-
tri eyerylestatice in the'Otfica of the King's
Proaor, and promised, if a Committee was granted,
that be would prove charges. The answer
which had beeti given by his Right Hoti..l.;'iiend to
the charge relative to Captain i,keene, would con-
demn tlta Motile Lord in the first instance, andin any
charges which lie might-make in the first Session.
Was. it to be endured, that 'because the Noble Lord
chose to invest hiMsell with the delightful Office of
public accuser, and to desire that he might be allow-
ed to keep charges hanging overthe heads of eneri-
unions and honourable public Otlicera all the vata-
titan, that' he should. have his desire ?—Did
House think, that next Session, judging from past
eitperience of the Noble Lord's motions,. that .tie
would be prepared to make good his charges ? Was
it possible,' on-such a statement as that he hid now
made, the House could grant an inquiry ? He bad
talked of bringing lot ward a Bill to awend the
That • he might do, and •it' any thing was found
wrong in the present laws on the subject, to 'be-
pie the Noble Lord's sogg,estion, whielt he was
justified in making, from his known experience,
would be attended to ; but he cored not sutler this
House, merely at the request of the Noble. Lord, to
be turned into a channel tor libel and slander, to aim
their course against any individual, the House he
thought would do welt to' reject such Motions,
which, brought forward ah they were at the end of
the Sessiona, prefaced with infla minatory speeches,
could be productive of no public benefit.
Lord Coen a vett was about to address the: House
agaio, but the Speaker reminded the Nails Lord
that he had already been heard several times, and
therefore must comititte hitrisOf to explanation, The
Noble Lord of course sat dowe.

Capt. BERESPORD, in justice to the King's Proc-
tor, stated, that in the prosecution of all Cases from
abroad,, of which he (Capt. IL) had many sent to
him, found that Otecr hottou,able a man as yver
existed,

fir J; NrcifoLL, cater the honourable acquitial
;n ittriottit.nt nt dim lanMca . h.

nottnced wo4l not have troubled theft with any
ohtertartons, but for the pertinaciousness of the
Noble Lerd, still maintained that , he, Could
wove his cl.arges. The Noble Lord bad no right
to s4y, that if the papers were predated, they would
prove his charges to be correct. When he slated
that the Otficeis of the Navy had been defrauded of
30 per dent. he inculpated all the Officers of the
Court of Admiralty, not even 4nittipg the Learued
.The Noble had moved far papers on,
tht.subject -last Session. Wishing to throw every'
lcgiit he could, he (Sir. Julio) had, secoudedLthat
oration, and from -time lo time futnised additional
;eieets. • All of these went to prove, that there was
Ott the btightest grobnd for .the accusation of the
Inceed the House had, una vace, al-
most acquitted rhe Law Otlicers of the Crewe, for
the Nettle Lord could Only find six Members on the
diviSien oa 'his tit iginal motine, and when the Re-
solution fur acquitting' the I.4aW Officers was pro-.
posed, the only s'itie against it was the Noble Lord's
Under thesectrcumstances, then, the 'Right Hun.
and,Leareed Gentleman trusted rite. Hot he would
agioe web Bien, that there. were just grounds for
complaining of the conduct of the Noble LortLand
tur thinking-that the Olfiders of the Admiralty Court
had been treated
,with much injustice. He had to
assure the Noble Lord that his charges' could not
affect him, for he did not riow liold the situation' of
Advdcate—had nothing to do with Govern.;
went business—all his practice being confined to the
Ecclesiastical Court ; was consequently under the-
jutisdiction of the Archbishup at Canterbury, hold-
ing his etfice during pleasure, and having no public
rebponsibilty,
Mr; W. SIvUTLI thought the House would not ob.,
jed to grant the nonce. With respect to the rest,
he:hoped, the Noble Lord would, withdraw them.
At the same time he felt himself inclined, should
the Noble Lord next Session bring forward arty
motiott respecting abUses in the Admiralty Court,
to support He conceived that the ir.terests of
the 'while might have guttered from the very,high
character which the °dicers, in that Court held; he
meant the -Learned Judge and Advocate. .kle knew
that abuses, not withstanding their respectable cha-
racters, tea* did exist. Cases had been mention-,
ed to him of aboSes, and to get at the. truth or'
falsehood of those oases, he bad Itequently coe-
sulted Proetors, who cotifirined lacts, but de-
sired their 'names, might be concealed. reeling
bound in honour not tediselosetheir names, as "the
facts 'were' imparted under veil of secrecy,' he
shOuld abstain, bet it was sufficient that they were
in existence to warrant
Sir.W.-Scorr, from the allusion which theition;
Gentleman bad made 10, him; was called upon to
say a few words. If the Hon. Gentleman -bad
stated to him (Sir William), in the way he had now
described those-tatis he had mentioned:lie Should
have inquiredtinto therm He begged to remind the
Hon. Gentleman That would have been the pope!.
Mode of proceeding... , It .must be 04.00u5, that, the
only course was to bring cases of abuse under the
, cognizauce of the ragUlar authority appointed to in-
quire•into and correct them. If he (Sir W.) had
declined fci institute that inquiry, then the next
Course for the Hen. Gentlenian to have pti'sued,
was to bring them before the notice of the House,
and the- accusation would. be against him for, re-
fusing to exercise the authority vested in him. Not
havieg done so, the Hen. Gentlermin must excuse
him -if he complained of injtistice; because the state=
Meat appeared to .charge him with 'haying refused
the aid of his powers. He hoped that for the fu-
ture the House would not have to inquire into every
c9rflphint, tintess it was proved that the Courts of
Justice had failed in the due execution of their
authority:: '•
Mr. W. SMITH declared, that be had not the
slightest intention of making an accusation
_against
the Right Hon. and Leittned.Gentleman. wps
not aware of any abuses winch fell within hi's cot--
rettion, which had not been attended to. But this
he knew., that there were many cases of strong in-
justice in the Admiralty Court. •
Str W. Scorr knew 01 no aktilieS unless they
Were committed in the Peon, and therefore the
Hoeourabie Gentleman's Observations were not
correct.

The first motion was then put and agreed to.
The second motion was then proposed by the
Noble Lord, but not being seconded by any Hon.
Member, tell to the goend. The Noble Lord then
-.wed his intention of making this the subje& of
discussion the next Session. •

Mr. Wit.nsayoncs gave notice of hie intention
to-morrow to move for Papers respelling the con-
demnation of certain property belonging to indi-
viduals in the West 11,clies-.

Mr. BROUGYIANI' gave notice that he should to-
morrow-renew hi notioe a-tiation which stood
for this day, and on Priday submit a series of Re-
solutions respkaing the Curiency of, the country.
Mr. CALCRAFT moved for an 'Account of the
amount of Notes of the Bank of England, in cir-
ctilatiOn on Saturday, the 6th instant, and the same
Account up to 'Saturday, the i3th instant, -distin-
guishing Bank Post Bills float the other Notes.—
Ordered.

Mr: Becrelary RYDER moved for leave to bring
in a Bill to expllin the Act relating to the Exchange
of the Militias of Great Britain and Ireland.--
Leave given.

The Right Hon. Secretary afterwards brought in
the B►tl, 'which was re.id'a tirit and second time,
and connnitted for to.rnOriow.

BANK PROPRI ETORS.

Mr. CIIERVEY rose, for the purpose of submit.
ding to the House a resolution kir disallowing the
votes of certain Members (whom he deemed inter-
ested in, the Bulk note Bill) in the further •stages
01 that BM. Previous to which, he deSired the
Clerk might read the extratt from the Journals re,
speating the Loyalty Lean of 1797. [The Clerk
accordingly read the extract, which consisted of a
motion for disallowing the votes nf George !lose and
William finskisson, Esqrs. on the Loyalty Loan
Bill, as being interested as subscribers. Those Gen-
tlemen halving been heard, and stated that. they
declined any interest, withdrew, and the
House re-
jTeted the motion 3 The Honourable GGentleman
observed, that he aid mat object to any thing done
on that occasion, bec4u4e the two Members 'Were
allowed to vote ;odic teal state of the case was, that
Asir. Pitt had peen them bonuses on the Loan of
that day, and they, upon the objet ion tn their VOtes
Milner .I_. I, thialriet.

..... --„.„....., . --.., .._.•.. .__,
.; ..._ •
fere`A. MIA ther4fore the iloifse rilo,.!rd tliritiet
vote on the Bill.' The rase Willi (Hafer!, with A"
other Honourable Member, be did not lino, o.e.
tiler hr was now a Ivlember of' the ,liuse et not;
but his name Viii 4 I‘Liiiiiirig: Oti (lig 6":c4"11:111 Mr'
Matandr! ‘4 lAi ed hoar he was situated, that he hdd
Fitytie or itce.l,oan, and talk the advice of the t"
Speaker (Lei(' Sittimouill) Ito* he was to 01. The
I)eilk''l. d,eideri, that it he Possessed any 'altered
iti the Loans, that was 3 diSpillifiCation its voting,
find me. m,kiwing Ace, a (tingly withdrew, and did
not vote. i'lle other ease waallpt of a 13ill for in-
corporating a Bread Coini,any, consisting ut fiffY:
01104 shares, Soule of tht• 'Members were4)3ll °'
that counity, and die Sptentiteal.er ileeidedote that they,
aim
bearing atinterest, were no led to v. TllO6
curs,
ie thilieutliiiiit,it::(l,ititc).l,l,:ivve; in point with the ire'
Sent. He held in his band a list of Bulk, rtolaie:
itl'ile'll'irePs6,•,4nsel iß'iistlilg ll:Orlitttgl:ll;isli':'vtigl::3;thaieilltst.l:l:l:l:oirlitu'itugfl:lliiscil:ti,l'ic:i
motes, weiie Consequently di-qualified, and olill:ot
to vote. In In (Idyl. to she 4 the rotetcSl ftese merit
five persons had, it was Only net'esim'Y tor bil" l';
refer to the 461 of t 797, restricting the issue ut,gola
by the Bank of England. ' By this Art the Ger
patty •wcwe restrained by law Iron) paying then Ir.
gm! creditors in cash; in consequence of wird-1,11+;
ing, before the periiid of passing the Al is'''
notes to the amonnt of eleven millions, and sae
log that sun) .to be for their capital, did, after the
passing of lite Act; increase their issues to twvcio•
one Millions.. The eft.ct of the Act wasillii.l°
iiillic.rrte, tasicecdrued to then) a grgat increase of illiere4-:
th:t in the way of bonus, in ihe fourteen yv,slivl.
sequent to 1797, they divided among theruselg, ,
ot mous sum of six niilliOns steiling; that OK) l'!'"
cent. and ithletairt •dtirtielle rilsse iii°lintlstee.'ptilie'' teinlb,s,,,
stock was 01(13°4 unparaileled,,it being at 0.1111;
only. one hunAred and eighteen, and ii3O' ‘e'j
230 percent, All these benehis had beet' Itrndu‘o
bY 'the Bill of t 797, and he would a k, wii,t 4t'f'tri
interest could they have than in their beii; lave`,,,r
witlithe:power of coining. Could the case bewte,''l
ulliaded to be put ill ,COillitlti‘oll With 065. Prig
Wnlad it be contended by any. one Ito' it 01" 'iot,
for-the House to permit them to doiae 111erie
tones ? With •respea to the inieNst wlll;11", so
prattous.might have in ,the •B ill, if he .wcre I', 0;5
• • i ik.! pit
that these notes are depreciated, he rnet 1 Go„
t°- the same observation which' a Bight Sao,,,rd'.cinio
tlernan had applied to his Noble Frio,' (Le' „or
and
purpose, without staling, Such, Opillioll4o 0$(1
in demanding
be called 'a' Jew. I r 5%%-lli leite sufficient lef 0 ,
licing• tlid tnitOrttillate Cdiel of Mr. 0"1 , tint
Yoligelproseented for selling guinea'', "1' 5180'''' id
\ruble rile i
Illose'i:e4s, 'and the 'condiv,-t of his 1, 1 •liil
Bill; making ,Bgauniknenostestl)ra 11)eigsalrJ'.'1;1:•("),,a'illiec(°(;PcI41;
i 1-00 '
tion of the 511 a toitea •g_tlf . Vila f
' 1 vv,,,.5, ~ 0 . t•--
~,, ~,t
a—
lt to Set theist, as ill 179'7, 3 COill1116:31c ri'a 6 ilO
might, when the Bill passed, writ 11511.rer').aiLd
Mgr; give them a nominal value, 11'1',„3e wit-10
.14epoliolle, and na one ti rt•luse to l'''',o/ it,,,
coin, and then comes a further ,iocreast, epp,,
dends ,ancl, bonuses,at,tl a (fit: !'"i111t1 I i/rl.°
,
ef cot ually be .sold for i wo-pencc% w,b.r:lll!_s:',Fil.'i,
fur 1 w•enty be
Linder thcse dr`111;i0 1
itose-11,161rilir parrig' the lit l'c • ifilo
n V.
hand, should not be :illowett in °le',,,,,fi, 941.
Local, without' trientioning their nanres, Y.ooliliv
Diiectots ; others \vele Proprictois ql1:. oilli 1"6,
g'eb:iiseit'ittiftlisirirsttclie)tr:s.islsiiiii°t4l(fi%ditvlitecely.llc;bice)lo:uiradikl4;oeyvkd,kgPigjiteri'
eie: 'etirl°lpeerYlve:ibnrill°:tit:lTlf,l):l:
" ''111:e siel
111-11 their brother Directors in I,o`ler/ 'At t'''°‘
. he 011, ~..,
Ile was aware that in' naming toet.it ,i„ i; 031';',''
der hifll" It open to be mailed youth tild 1..47:
g,,,t,p;,:::1:1,1,t;eii
tii),),rrio,ici;r:lrteytiini:eLnl
saigicaiirivsatrPa:illi°:::i„.cont itilLf:
tors, and they in return furnished 11°,:o /hell
wen: India ChKrniinrabgialyAiii;aiejacini3dtaolillbkiecly
j°,lciWri.Eoltitni:l,°ll,:f-:l3)(Ge'lpif':inriellialti:ol4,l.'ol„,:t:
well if the .Ministers, as in the IF,..iiit "..", od , vl;
were to change with )Iwo Bank
by rotation ; : for the night 1-lonotlya.'"I',,i, sparc,.„,"
(Mr. Perceval), admirable as he viiiti "wl",10) the tPlo
would, if bo were rte change seats ...,1,.„4 'OA
• love tier parr' it,a,
tlemen under the gallerY, • ,we le. biit
much admired as his speeches ,c,v`...,11 Oleo
been said on 'a fornier Ilii,hti LV,,:t be coold4l
Friond of his, a Ilan Diredor) 114.1'11. be. pooe,‘‘,l
Only 311 y influence or i9telest,
.rapycorol:pii
Only 20001. stuck, but he oe'tfee,o4,rated at th, 01
man who could tint get aceoratte, if wante,,l,4oo
to the extent, as in .linela I'd ~.":04, 'Alt 5'1,1; cpt
200,0001.. He should !° xing) orgollto
figure his Noble Friend ( laved
for accovunioLo 01
were he to go there and Is
_, tho hat!) flo
The Hon, Gentleman adorsitchatio vestiori.e of
saying had noibirig to 614) '''''
li on opritble Gen tleato
and °laser ve that he
I F"l'nt ltI011rabh) °l..lgleic} CO
wliich was the I(ig4t • -..' ale ftport 00.1'_,,0, if
Ardo. No'w, Ipnl‘jogo',,e4. iot„ ilecure lath,, 0
mime appointed 10 ( lig 111 li. otfico Of a I'PV,I, ~,), al
found that Lord A. lielJ 11,1 1 , court of Pril v ~,
or t)6 '' 00° ' i
Bed Chamber, ftegi`oerr 1,4; oort of
~ o,oo'
and .Ilrgister rat the I:3,ll4,,olu,nitiee, rin.li_tbie ifir
When called before the,, •'-'„ 1-,,,,,5,, the Pli.voii.,t)
t beitai t)
saying to !i' 00,
ed ns to the amouut
it
101 l /lot until ii,,,,,104,1i,1iii
refiased•to ansWer t• all _ ~.:J,
.that py. ". 1.115, la!
Mr. Jenner, %.As ex."ll,)l::*,e,ired 01'0'11004 1
cotild be gained. It cited "sewed aln. r tlielit'
n trio coina6 • „ ,
I,
in bi,
lo
ten years, the public
11, bo ilie merageoci
ciiiied lb
iivil:tiL,-thoi t. li')er
0'11'41'111.0;i..
_ion.:lney. 1
0i:0;0(11,1:Eye: ;;;1:1,0i
amounted to Poo,,ol''':., , Ge„,011:11,1 ,iew.;,, ad)
'be Bight .tionottraol‘e
~,ner,
.4 _ . sii 1 1
.031:1:,
Noble Friend aid. °II! '-.6`11; bo li.tblo
oui-ot in t, ,y
110 t the Bline l'iPlitiill )t ',lilaid ierf)r,Y,
o ir I tit' fit Uhler, OP 411,1ez
Lord Alden, to ,611. „„„,„, ,„y,,,,
- • f,A :.---0-,.'' . dollito i," ,,5,;.'
snick the 0)0,00 . i
)urato (ael) ,00 boil 'oi,,t,„,
,IA hen the Ili4bt Mei►%pi 001 y alak:!ri,ht oft! O,,J
of Lord KAI,. whavvtioch il•d had t'i'oe 'of Jet; ,eil
his own proPertY, ';',,ri with 'the /lot 1,0t61' 0,41 r./
ne Wati COIIIOIOO/ L'.. __,.,,,05e, I),
counot:-- ' _ " :Otis {i I r. 17,100, ip
4:i ,
, wawl:ii t i t tiir.a.e,hiii:E:siotto,t, .b:ce1:1,0113,(::11,': I:llc..:ttgeoi:::cr'l,e,joilniti.l,lti',;:illi,L4.,kito.',',virta:::',.!,:::::::
gs my.1„0,r,..
~, i.vi ~ itiott, eyoll, ow pi , r
by Abe term 4,7. :iiirly 5:0,,,,,`,.'40iiin,i,e,,,,w,,,r1'),
be round in the
_Pl_lber.,,,,ol _ 00 fit
Lord of ll)e. 13,40'u,l,'".11,inerit to big
had as -arm po a‘o.
~..
....

ITV

Iy

Lor(

A

• ,
-1-'llg. The Hon. Genilernin tten tttovea
his Roitilution in substance__
" That it appear., from..the passing of the Aa
a 1797, for restr ding the Batik .of England from.
paying their n..ies in cash, the property of that Cor-
P°Tall°ll had increased to an enormous amount ; that.
they had divided ,among themselves six millions
sterling; that the price of Bank sto, k hid increas,
.'td item 118 to 236 per cent. Thit "oiler. such
. cirzunisiances, a 13111 had been brought into Parlia-
atfur giving a forced legal value
to their ~tes.;
Ileal ennsequei,ce, it is likely their profit mayi
te further increased, Thai various Members of Par-:
nent 4e Isrle7T bers of the ,Bank . Corporation,]
Ind may have a direa interest in the Bill ; and that,
iheretore their vote 4 ought in consequence to be'dis-
11linved."
Il Hon. Gentlernan observed, that' he should l'el Put each name individually, ( hosing rather to:
..Pll ate them geleially, hoe ti the former course was!
ursipli i„ 17,7.
. •
On the eliestion fur agreeing to the Resolution
te'llo, put,
. .
14. ATANNIUG being here particularly' allUded to
Y the l'lniL Gentleman, hoped he should be e'6'
hied in treubling the frOUSC. The Hon. Genii -
man had hy name referred to lii:., as tile Member
f.'s hu '" 1797 appl:ed iu,the Speaker for advice. The
141 was so, and he had no intention of correcting
11:i There was Hot, however, the least it iinilitude ..
at the
the two eases. In 1797, on Ill" proposal
:11)the then Chancel or of the Exchequer (Mr. Pitt), 0 '":" was grintel to the subscrioers to the Loy-
i'Y '''44ll- Feeling !hat, if he .wad given his vote
t`tri'llw Bill, he hhoold liae been voting 10001.
erc3Psiloo ins own pocket, he was' anxious, before
• !dtl'e to Iht.' vole to satiity his mind, and to do
itibllkt ag '
'
'►
ini ,a Member of Rirliatneot, and upon the
i‘Vti" llealg &yen by the Speaker, did nos vote.
tna ' rdix,i In the pre•ent bill, the Hon. Gentle-
to iti)l'.`id rlot 7.taleil any eround of distinct' interest
the '),(!u'i'llY bin) tram voting, and he mos, deny
, rel' 4'ence 'el'her iii Bank arector or Bank Pro-
efr.
,They would nut be beuefited by the pass-
iCa, °i,,'"" Bill ',tie halt-Crown. It had bail 'said
file the 'le llink I) re. tots had brought in titeSill ;
tiZYL,l,l,._l,d n.(4 had any communication Fith the No-
4.,,ir:tin uh- brought it in.—tia,, neither soliened,
1-10us,,"(,)'' s'IPPoi tett it. Ho Could put it to the
' alty 1-,l'ai;Vileih.l. Ibii Bill, as in the .case of the Loy-
did f - ' I'll'ect a''Y Pecuniary interest. it it
suestilbeesalrii,rildb,eats.,:nceeniv, withdraw ; but having DO to be, i
ll'i that no Pt aprietor ought
-1
etclutit'd irnin Voting On The division on
the last has.'
theref,rt ii, 'I.
idle warmers wero •113 to 35.
for 'lt tlit wii„7"4 loin
left out, still there°I
1143
8 ficlt hing by his motion ;
auk 1)4.k-tors were to be
l'"rli.literii se„,,i..°eld be above 100 Mi.Mbels of
clelineidie iud “ mg.. to g:ve their tree, cited, .and.
Such i5ni,,'„418.,/sltv°l en it: , On these Members no swot 0t,j,.,"'" a$ interest would 'rest ; as well
• Certain Membl°ll' have bevn taken to the votes. of
the. Ilou,,
Itir"'Pan the Distillery, Bill now before
challenged --ft., Hon. Gehtle,nan ought to have
or the tybinb.. 'mes of the Nlembers for Norfolk,
all the Agric:l( 10", ettiobtlAlid. and, in •short, of
pliantly
,iiit,reituria intervst, for f hey w. re certainly
l'°Noveri,;ec :( in that question. It was not,
All the ,i'es, "s4V so follow i he Hon. Gentleman in
ll_ 1 .0011 S Whiefl he hid so II reirVantly intro-
llice4k"-II`"r" was 'tu evidence ' e. that the
~ },ad di„.,
._. .
‘ellee to pro.
__ ,_,
411 bila i •""u log millions, oar was fir (14..
tiiy
,1 tO Bay WIWI [PI the profits of the Com- -
II 6'.l'''... n in, . ':
'.l4e . 're or let, • but he would ask the
• I. , iv1i,..11)-r- , ' '
"11 Gli„,,, • —1 Company, holding a Charter
p,,.;, •,rtiniciit ,Coalman}',
r ite, were 1 , which /1,1 pair' a large
1110,, 1 (? nit
atilt, with ileir hands behind
cre4:,..' .:14:' urthk'' other Compar.ie9, neglect ton).
, , iiitu pr,h,,, •
I,o,lll>nit,
si
.- 1.4111 Y and honestly Other
the II
.„i1,‘,.•.; ocis nal increased in value; for instance,
Quo o,', 2,,,R,Hlcenaage Assitranee from 77 to near!)
tli;i, i41,,,,`:,._.c.:. The (hand Junction, .Canal vitas ano-
Ci,,,lirt,i;:'lll t. It Wall not exattly fair in tile Roo. .
forv„a,d
~i 1 to lravel into another place, and bring .
the 1,0 4° name elf a Noble Lord, whom he had
anur to call I •
Public hitilt, 3 friend, and state that he had
te.ied in
ti,esain 11,6 1131111 S whtch he might have in- l't.Peciing ii„. iy: ',.1(,. la tie.,king those observations
11° the tnolit .11r Friend.,...observ.iions so foreign
Ptirstieg b 11" he It. -adopied the line of conduct
nett by Ott; N
Ice ~, madvoidably. 441111 Lord •.(Cochiane); he had
t 44 tibout
1( 1 is surprise was so great, tha.t
"'Ned i f.,, illa" Lftilin to' order, but the House
Lpiel„4. „--", the impropriety, and expressed their
Arde`, it :In. ill the edlte at Lord King and Lord
l'eillier - u• -ail "Pr°Per to mention their nal-tient, as
berg ,I.`l'iali_lt.i.....answer lor himself riot, being Melp7
143 40d ii,11.,10,05e. He should objet. in the 4'6•
n_ ettt, uot„ 'icinng on the ilill exercise his.oWn judg-
Ivtlat ii„ing"l've WAS reminded by the House that he
tr„i!t.,,at:lll(.4 (1,,,„,,,,Tinn1h. ell!): interest would not be in-
the passing or rejeaion of,
r,it„Tttla(iLwi. Y'lloOl continue to pursue that lino
ula ' aot ,i,ittleit his entnicience told him was cor-
iiiietirceuld ,;ltrred by any thing the lion. Gentle-
r 1.41„' but exelcisitig his abilities:for the,
r ,t). .a co
in II ' 411‘ d• entry,
iiii iti ifutlite id not think there was a Gentleman
ft)tlid giv; "c"id he influenced in the vote he
ilmy of lug /4" there were any such, it was the
i„l,,i'glii iiii,-iil3)' Fliend to point them our: He
ohiadb,,bileitgst
tiiiti4l4llZik4 rtiire7herdPAOrrptioegne
labur'sle!le.B lit
nnshteeaadd
01,4'1' might liiiiiiht Of my Lord Arden, his• Hon.
ii„dre lit e.„ui I:l4ve taken the first on the list, and
th,,, the Nut(ll'aYe found the name of the Speaker
i.,iiii:• ' Frieiiii ::. Lord was introduced because his
(4' k NrCeval,4Vare that the Right Hon. Gent.
b” luig, i ) "-Id too much of dignity, too much'
selithouoit 4111(1:18y...i.e! the observatia, and therefore
prv, free. \\,., tit stenre, and that he should go'
istitiuts et NI n'tlenre6t to the statement of the
ltttilie4 a Bank,, that lie did not think correct,
'naafi4 History of the Bank front 'their first
Wqi k 1."11 ifs t, ,
th -pt• : ),'-r. '0 ShOW that they . had al-
AK up a clo,
hi, , se connettion with the Govern.
th " 14etIG w.
le, i10e5it..,4:0,,,ds satisfied that every Gentleman in
,1,"4. Gem] ' ke Quit Motive which induced the
4.4.11ieri.....it W3g7lt,:indiot°, side
the mune of,- Lord Ar..
ell sfiter lift hate uii .61rodur:eil--(Alt. Creeiley
. lilt* , s° SiiirOdlit:ed it.) The manner,
41% I . atha. the ,
Ito-44, torh,i,t,es t)etrvations, were. too glaring,
Ci--- the linuse of the motives of ;the
Persurii'utieloan. NVit
, rnitht , wert tot
ti h rtlpe6t-to the glegtion,'if
' I,iit
ciaVe ii '
profit4illl:ll.eit tO %Ow
.beA;a4fl:. they
t
.t4tit'e would e ailbjectunder discussion,
go to the length of intrinfiing

on tbe liberties of the House. rt tie, right tit wit,
lug was to be refused lo Bank Direaars., there V/BS
not an indivicltial in the House who might not be
said to be interested,• for there was was not a holder
of Bank,niitvs who Was not eventually, [An hap,, to
brnrfited.

'Mr. W. SMITH jeetified the purity of Lard King's'
creelua. He was not satisfied that the Proprietors
of Bank Stock were not interested, at least it it
had not been proved that they .had not a direct in.e
ferest, it might be preseenedthey had. The Hon.
Gentleman had some calculations •to-shew that the
-die idends had increased on an average about t 0 2-eds,
being about 50 per cent. and this would prove that
in the 14 years a Proprietor had just doubled his ca-
pital. If the presumption of interest was to be al-
lowed, that appeared to be a reason 'for refusing the
votes of MeMbers being Proprititote. The House
would in twat case proceed on the usual principle on
s hich ell bodied rated, not because the honesty of
the individual was snspeded, but because others
might make use of that. interest to carry any
measure. That clause of the Bill which prohibited
the exchange of 'Bank notes for guineas, *AS the
greatest stab to the credit of the Brink that could be
given. Some of the Directors, be thought, would
do weft to move its being left out. The conduct
of - Lord King, he thought; was not entitled to
praise k he wished it had not been. pot in execte..
Lion. He was however free to say, that the .worst
part of he Neble Lord's conduct, was ,in
birth to this Bill.
Mr. BANKES denied, that in 1797 the 'Proprie.
tors ..f Bank Stock oughkoot to ha-ye-voted on the
liesbiaion Bill. Tbat measure had not been btoitgbt
forward for their benefit (although it had eventually
turned out to be advateageous. to them). it was a
question of eenerelenterest ; and as such, the Pro--
prietors of Bank Stock wereas fully entuletleci vote
upon it as any other INlembers of Perhemeet., His
optnions were ttie same on the present
On the principle maietained by the IloileMoeer,
thepoioessor cif land"d property ought not to be per..
Mittel to give his vote oe the pr. sent Bill, for such
an individual was much more deeply interested in the
cues! ion than the most extensive Proprietor of Bank
Stock in exiteence,
ABliECßobail R supported the motion; and
contended that his Hon, Friend *as as niece en-
titled to 'irtrodtice. the name of Lord Arden into
the d!scuision, as the Gentlemen opposite had been
to introduce that of Lord King.,
The CHANCELLOR .01 the EXCHOMER contend-
ed, that there was not the propriety in the intro-
duction of the name of 'Lord Arden into the dis-
cussion, as there had been. in the. introduction of
that olLord King. He did not see that the
,cire
cumstance of Lord .Arden's name happening to
stand at the head of the list of Proprietors of Bank
Stock justified the. Hon. Gentleman in referring,
on an occasion like the present., to that Noble
Lord'scearninetiOn before a Committee, on a sub-
ject of a very diffeient nature. As to Lord King,
tee eubjed could not be discussed withoUt mention-
ing The very subject of the debate veAs the
conduct of that Noble teed, and the very °bled. of
the Bilt before the House was to pretent that con.
t:uct (rum becoming general. The Hon. Mover It :d
treted this' seeject, as he bad frequently treated
other subjects, with a sort of irony of a elniractet
so •cl,,uhtful as to leave his true meaning completely -•
uncertain. Fortunately that did not much signify.
To, spew theerior of aneotionieg tee name of Lord
King, ho mentioned the name of Lord Arden.;
and then said that he (the Chandellor of the Exche-
quer) had been as unjust in: the °he ease, as, he
(Mr. Creevey) was in the other. Toe injustice of
the Hon. Mover wakunquesi iotrable very apparent;
and so far he was certainly extremely Wow in -the
instance which he had afforded. tie (the Chan.
cellar of the Exchequer) denied that he had ever
called Lord King a Jew or a F,'edlar. What he had
said W3S' that the Noble Lord was the first itulivi7.
dual of his description, who bad acted in -the way
in which JeWs and Pedlars Were aecnstotneil to
act. As to the question .itselfe the 'argtiment. of
his 'Hon. Friend near thin was conclusive upon
Mr. HUMERI' opposed theinotton, as leading to
to the most Scribes incotivenieuces. 'Adverting to
the conduct of the Bank, tie said teat he 'hoped he
should not be suspected of
,undue yes in de-
claring, that, having beeu for thirty years a mer-
chant in tbe City, he had never heard the conduct
ef,that Body arraigned, although they frequently
declintela*rdiee teeaseieranee• which commercial
,men requested:of them estimfeing eheecharace
ter of, Lord King, the House ought, in judg-
mem,. not to "forget what -had loog been the te-
corded opinions of that Noble Lord.' on the' sub-
ject of the currency of the-.couniry, and to, ellow
for the coeseqeetice of his adherence to his own
principles.
Mr. CERCVEY :made a short reply. He intro-
duced the name of Lord Ardeo, because in a Com-
mittee of that House-, the Noble Lord had been as
vigilant a defender of his tees' as Lord Kip g was of
his fended interest.; In this point, therelore, in
the defence of their mutual property, the two No-
ble Louie might fairly be compared to each other.
As to what had been. said of his irony, he con-
fessed that he could have no chance, in a . Compe-
tition of jokes with the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer. •

'rho S?RAKER observed, that the question was
a mixed one of law and fact. To the fornier, alone,
he might be allowed to speak. V' the Journalpi
were opened, it Would be found laid down in
them, two hundred years ago, and then stated as
an ancient rule, that interest disqualified from voting.
Tf the cases were considered, it would be, how-
ever, clearly perceived, that this interest must
be• direct and pecuniary ; ilhit it must he an in-
terest separately belonging to the individuals
whose votes were questioite,l, and that the rule
never applied' to bodies of his 'Majesty's subs
jests, or to the questioni of 'Strut;
It was evident that the Howie would not allow
persons whci,had put 'down their names for sums in
support of canals or other, undertakings of a similar
nature, to vote upon questions conuetted with those
undertakings. On the subject of the Loyalty Loan,
the House had, therefore, in his opinion, . rightly
decided. But he thought it equally clear that. the
House had done well in not disqualifying any
vidual from voting on a questi:ar of internal taxa-
tion or of colonial t'egitlation, whatever the interest
which such an individual mit,ht possess in that que,a.
Lion.

. .
e Resobtion tildr. put and h'egatiieh wirn4
but a division.

, • •
_CIRCULATING MEDIUM BILE..
'The CIIANCELLOiI at .'The ExCfteduktt 1111vingi
"moved the Order of the bay for the House to rte,
.solve itself into a Committee on the Circulating-Mel
dium Bill, . •
Mr.' BANKEs Made a Variety of observations 13n
the. three shilling Bank I'ukens, 'norso much' With
respect to their value, as the execution of thiil,
which lie termed most wretched and mean; and
very disgraceful to the chat-at...ler of those Arts vvhich,
in his'opinion, were intimately,Conneded with the
hotfoot-and prosperity of every ,civiliv,d country.;
It would seem that becaue the material was b4Sey
It was intended to allOvv the .vorkthanship upon it to
be base .also. 'Exeent the Sardinian, he had'itfevr;
seen a [modern coin so contemptible, and the seple-1
riority of the French coins in particular, even ilewn;
to their kipper curreney, Was:great.
..
'Mr. DetslT 'declared, that' the 'citify motiVe'Whichi
could'induee him to agree io ihe. Speaker's leaving]
the Chair, was; that the Bill was to be only tempo-i
rary. Adverting to. the agreement of a number of.
merchant4,'Sce; in 1745, to take Bank notes at their :
accitstomed value, hL expresSed his opinion that a
similar agreement on the present'occasion
have sufficiently met the apprekendA evil.
Mr. MA NNIIstO thu the Bank•Corpoia—
Lion had no-interest in the Measure.

Mr. G. JOHNSON: said a, :few werds, • the precise'
tendency of which we could not coil-et..
Mr. 131t6IJOHANt entertained 'such aninsuperable
objeetion tcethe principle at the Bill, that he Was
persuaded no :modification Of that principle .in
Committee would render riepn expedient, or-even
harmless measure. He would avail itims-A1 of
the present 'opportunity tb 'ask seeme -few -queStien's
respelling the non-descript 'currency .that had re-
eeetly been; issued -by the Bank. He Understood
that it had been coined at the national mint. Was •
that the ?' If so, by Whbei 'was the expense
defrayed ? The nominal Lvalue of these tokenfravas
three shillings. What was 'heir real value I Cer-
tainly they were not worth three shillings. How
were they debaSed ? Was it by the introdtAion of
silky, or by the diminution of weight.? Why not
affix twcrshillings and sixpence to ahem as the
initial price, and then procure an Ad of P trliament
to make theM pass for three shillings) „-f h s would
be to put them on a footing with the notes. W3S
well known that there had been a
~great want of
change all over the kini;;;dom, and where mere
than in the metropolis. Bankers had' been 'obliged
to go into the market fur' it. The uudepreciated
Bank note of. one.pound.could not, it steered, be
exchanged for t:o even of the base ,and deprecisteil
shillings 'ciallent. 'One hudarell Bilk four Pf I.
notes :tad been frequently given for 100 IS ounrA
worth of silver. Had. this circumstance been ad-
verted to in the-Iste Bank issue) -if not,, it -the.Lto-:
keteS had been made too large, they. also would scion. ,
be sold -at a 'p'retYliern. —kite b'efor'e th'e
House: was defective
,in every vetedt.. It Wetsip
constructed, notwithstanding fill the attention to it
of the Crown *lawyers, that it would Make the
nishment of the crime which it enacted, different in
England mid 'Scotland. in Eh?lll*nii-
misdemeanor subjecting the offentiet• to fine and ttri-
prlsonoieflt: in Scotland 'it velSold bez miedeinetiftor,
which the .10ge might punish at,liis own dist:retire)
with finc, imprisoriment, or ti.anSporeition.
chew that this was ti discretion Vehieb ongliffee to
be trusted to the Scotch Courts, he instanced the
case of a flirri4ter of the must reStiectsblo character
and anon eminent talents, e Ito, leaving been con-
eicied ii, Scotland of the misdemeanour of lending
Paineta flights 'of Man to a friend, was ',enteric:ea
by the judge to fourteen years treusportat ion to New
South
Mr. M'Aeopeo, in reply .to some of the q !estions
Of the 0017. Gentleman, stated that the thiee shil-
ling Bank token weighed eight pennyweights and
eleven grains; and that at the present, price of silver it
waskworth two shillin .s, and teine-peure halfpenny.
These toketia,had been issued 'by the Batik,'- solely
for the cow enience of the public. It had.been sa
in another place, and by a high authority, that the
Bank had made great sums by their issues of coin.
What was' the face? Fonr ttlilliotis of dollars `had
beets issued since 'twee. When the Bank aaitred
their .tionainal valueto
,five .and
there might he these' millions in circulation (one
tildlion. haying- probably been Melted), - in whitill
there would therefore bel'•'lolK Of '7[1.,0001.- 'The
ptiteyt:sityer of 0114 Y.eitra,ftd,beett that• it
wasa,tnpaseble to coin the currency of the realm,
and the Bank had stepped forward to lessen the cons
sequent inconvenience. Thellcad'already liberally
supplied the:Bankers in-the'tnetroptiliS with their
tokens; and it was their intention,' as soon as pos.;
sable, to send down large quantities to the- vartorel
commercial towns in the country; in' one week,
they issued 35,0001. worth, which was' half' as
much as the; whole silvel coinage of the present
reign.
Mr. Ross thonght it but justice to the Batik' to
state,lharthey had lent themselves to the public
sell ice with considerable loss and inconvenience to
themselres.. Every body t.sisnware that the Silver
coinage of the country had nearly disappeared:—
Under the present eircum;iandes a new coinage was
impradtithible. It Goyerinnent Were; et the preSeet
liiment, to coin a number of shillings and sixpences,
they would not be current -a week. How would
the HoteGentletrian correct thisevil ? He had heard
Gentlemen talk very flippantly of obtaining hellion
as easily as claret. But with what would they pur-
chase?' ft was, impracticable to procine it, elf(' in this
slate what was to be done ? Would they have reduced
the intrinsic value of the coin of the realin ?.Thepro.:.
priety of doi g this had been discussed a century
ago. It had been advocated' by:Mr. Lowtidea„ and'
resisted by Mr. Locke- and otheis. The latter tri-
umphed ; a. silver coinage of .fullyalue, which oc-
castoried.to the.country a loss of two Millions and a
half, was. issned, and it instantly disspireered.--e-
With respect to the execution of the Bank tokens
lately issued, it could not have been bettee, hut I,y
a delay that must have been injurious; The Com-
mittee of Jhe PriVk Council on Coins:had called 30
or 40. Merchants and bankers together, and 'had
asked them whether it would be advisable to pre-
vail on the Bank to lame. these tokens ?. They an-
, SiVete4 unanimously in the *affirmative. Applica-
tion was in consequence made to the Bank, arta they
instantly complied.
Mr. P. Moot could not. allow that any

t'e'otv
,it -wins -required try
VAN,:TTART, advertingto 111? dot it
-getting
nourable and Learned-Gentienvin; shid that hti
had Weil •eveti 'il'hArd 'guinea !giveti for tWeoty
tiglf...ited the expediene)- f
P
•
-tivaibik the Ifiti Into two Bills.

ThaiigitttEn. oh;eirved, that the proper time rot
Such a h"rolforrttsWWßUlTE(Tifti-itlit'ilispoil if ;hi
Treseht (1i PStir~tl.
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The Huuse then divided, *hen the nugnbil