The Sun.
London, England, 1816-05-02 00:00:00

TREAsURER OF GREENWICH .IIOSPITAL.

Mt...WYNNE, alluding to the recent appoint-
meat of Treasurer to GI eenwjch huspital, ex.
passed his wish to have a Committee to I:X.1411141C
precedents ot Members retaining their seats utter
receis'ing such appointments. This,..be couteint-
ed at much length,, was illegal. He mentioned'
instances ot Members having died; and three
mouths having elapsed before any new writ was
issued, because nobody took the ttouble to make
the motion. Thus, without a proper vigilance
was exerted, such abuses as that which was the
object of his motion might be frequent,. Tido was
the first time the House had had such a Ties-
tion before it since the year 13b,
.when the'! rea-
surer of the saute place Was compelled to vacate
leis seat. He concluded with moving, " That
the Office of TAeasurer.of Greenwich hospital is
not a Commission in the krtny.or Navy."
`.'Mr..l3.4tmes was of opinion that there was no
ground for the motion, and that it ought to be
,got rid of by the previous. question. The House
had assumed to itself the tight of judging what
places, if 'accepted by Members, led to the vaca-
tion of their seats. The Odice in- question was
one to which was attached no sort of military
&Huron!. It wns certainly the first case since
173ai of a Member accepting ouch an appoint-
ment after his election. The question in his opi-
nion had no manner of relation to the privileges
of the House.,. There was no question as to the
eligibility of persons holding such u situation
having a scat in the House ; and there was no
instance, except the one pointed out, of a Mem-
ber 'buying received it while in Parliament. .
Serjeant Ot4sLow took a ditfereut view of the
questiou from that entertained by the last Speaker.
The intention of the Legislature Was, 'that tin
Officer in the Army or Navy, on accepting a new
coramission, should not vacate his sent. The
Tteasurvrship of Greenwich Hospital was not a
new CoMmissitm, but a Civil Office of emoluthent,
and required the vacation of the seat held by the
person who accepted it. He expressed his de-
termination to take the sense of the House on the
subject.

MIRRCROMBY thought, by the proposition
of the_lion. Gentleman (Mr. !Jokes), that the
Iloiuse was calked Ott to act in the teeth of the very
spirit and letter of the Act of ParlCintent respect-
log eivitapptiintments. His opinion went to in-
duce the House to adapt a new practice, in
lug ,persons who held that Office to continue their
seats, ill violation of the Act for sentliog bark to
their constituents tltose who acCepted any
,ap-
pointment under the Crown. 'A wore perfect
case could not lie made out in which tlitt goose
was called on to perform .its doty toward's its
coast knew s.

Mr. Itcwt viewed the question in the same
light as his Right Han, Friend, Mr. lienitA. The
general observations of the Right Hon. Ueutle-
min %vete not audible io the gallery.
Mr. PONsoNBY insisted that the office was purely
Civil limier the Crown, and 'not being either Na-
val or Military, It tlid not come within the excep;
00111 of tim Act. The case' had occurred on thii
very amtointhrott, which took place in .1736, and
the llouse had tfecitled that anew Writ should be
issued. Yet now the lion. Gentleman, by what
he called anulogy, wished the house to ttot in the

ier.y tath rif fOrtrtcr de•els!on, ever thPre
was a (Noe syllicit required-I lie law to be en '44 Cell,
it was:the present.. t • :o :
LoArdc:Asrt,RanAGNAliifered, ,from the
views, taken of the subject by 4h• Hors.
!him who 'supported the. motion. He ndmit.ed
tlrst.,till offices of emolument Under the Crown,
when accepted by Memberstot Parliament, were
objects bf ietalousT to tbe House; hut this well
decidedly .not one of thatj description, or one
agabort- which: any argot-tient 'could properly, ht
raised.. it, was well.kuown. that military and na.vat
officers were .by• no,,means rim •highly pa.d ; holt
there being a certain., number of offices of this
description, srhir,lt sometimea. fell vacant, it was
proper that they .should be appointed ,t 0 them
but they would cense to be +Wyatt/Jig-eons, it diet).
were Attended by the vacation of thoseats ref thostt
who accepted them, after "taring incurred great
expence in obtaining them. •He should vote for
the previous que,4tioni which he thonplit,,, ad been
properly chosen for the occasion by the t ion.
Gentleman. • .
Lord A. I,l4mlLTott said, the Noble Lorci,had
foiled in this argument, and he' had omitted , one
thing, which he (Lord A. Hamilton) lhottglit of
gre,ot kopputance, the law oil the subject, which
wy.i-directly.against hint. If there could be tt
doubt il
,l, theTresent
;here was rioty,!Jhe !louse lo‘uglit rather to ino'
cline to that -interpretation which was most - iri
conformity, with the' intention of the Act, Anil
which was therefore in favour of the scat being
vacated. •
kir. IV. VirrNi4 replied,..lie was astonished at
the ,argnnients which had been urged against lite
motitn , which. he t hong Ikt went to OVC, ( hat t t
House. had anot a right tti correct an infraction of
the law. If the Hoitse chose tei decide this ques-
tion op what had,beeti ,the practice in the east. of
the Master Of Orcenwieb Hospital, Which bad.
been referred to by the Noble Lord (Lord
reagh.), in opposition to the pro Visions of the Act
of Parliament, they Must do so ; he .could not
help it, but be should be sorry to see such an en-
try on the Journals.
.•
The House divided, When Abe numbers were':-:-
For the previous question Gh
Apiast

Nl;l9,rity ag:kinst LIS

p4t.,7K RESTAI.CTION.

Mr. Honsttst moved for a select ComMittee tok
be appointed, to.iinquire lotto, the, ilecessity of re-
newing the Bill for continuing: the Restric-
tions on the Cash Payments by the Bonk ot"
England. The Hoooneable Gentleman ob,ery-
come to in respect
ed, that the underststAirig
:to the Bank of England was, that on the restora-
tion of Peace Cash Payments slu.id immediately;
he resumed. Instead of this the Rightdlon. Getz
tleman had desired the renewal of the Bill for two
yeari, thus giving a doubt of his sincerity in re-
spect to the pledge held our previous to the.ter-
mination of the war. But if he doubted the sins
cerit y of the Government, 'shat most he thought
of the contittct of the Batik of. England; who, at
all times, had professed t heir desire to pay
in cash, when the Govertunent would permit
them ? He, therefore, as they had not resumed
their cash payments, should thiiik that the
Bank Corporation was perfectly content to enjoy'
all the vast profits whieh the measure proviilea
for them, without any intention of carrying their
pledge into effect, The Hon. Gentleman observ-
ed, that it was somewhat singular, that as snort
as it was intimated that there
.was iutentimt
on the part of .the Chancellor of the Exchequer -
to continue the Restriction on. Cash Payments,
,Bank Stock rose in the market near
.cighteen per.
cent. ; it was astonishing that such a rise slonthi ,
take place, unless the hollers of Bank Stock felt
that this measure was an adventage to them. An-
other circumstance he could not help, adverting
to, and that was, that now„ for the first time-
110W in a time of ,peace, and when thertiwaS every
probability of peace condoning, it was pronosed tti
contimie the measure for n years, He could not
help feeling that t his was a measure intended as a re.-:
ward for the advance which the Bank had flo,nlc.
But it was also said, that the continuance of the
Restrictions arose out of the agricultural disr,
tresses—why Ike agricultural distresses were
looked upon only ,as temporary---why then should
not the measure ue temporary, or for a year only,
as usual ? Why not ?—Why, because two years
was the consideration given hy, the Chancellor of
the Exchequer to the Bank, for the advance they
had made. .The Hon, Gentle.matt cootiotted to
argue that the restoration of cash payment must
prove highly advantageous to the public.. It could
not he denied that a great reduction had taken phaots
during the last year its the cirealetion of phiter.—
This had in a great measure arisen from the agd.
cultural distress, the reduedon of country hanks anti
comaey bank piper; besides which, it also appeared
from the Papers before the bloused that a reline-
dolt inulluken plaeain the circulation of Bank of
England paper. These, he contended, were dr-
cunistances favourable to a return of cash pay,.
ments. The inconvenienve which had °centred
from a continuknee of the restrictions during, it
time of war had been great ;,btit hilt would he
the effects of continuing them its titne of peace*
and destroying the standard for appreciating the
value of money ? The in knee ),vuuhl
amount to the greatest evil to the A;rieulturist
who was ruined by a fluctuation of price, tool
value, whirl) must always be the reSult of a paper
circulation. ITutter all these Ciletollstatices, dirt
not say that now was the time at which cash
ments,ought to he 'Tuned ; but-Parliament and the
people might tokooty What was the present situ—
ation of the, eoutitry,—.what were the. reasons
which, for the present operated
,againSt the re«
stoning easb payments—tool it this was not the
proper time, when it WaS the time for re-
Sliming them would arrive, and to &stain infortna
dm on these subjects, would he the object of
rflOti#o: 6014.1144 now 141100 to in it the Mint
Brice, TlKtte was no importation of corn--d 0
t changes against its And he woold therefore
ask his Right Hon. Prieto! Mot reason he had tti
assign for not bringing is Bill-,onot to propose
the immcd:ate 11.31unit:ion of cash pklyp;tots, but
tixtitns tiblbe 111111011 .*it the e°,,b‘biy might
Wok forward to thttt CirClittlitttilCe with
degree of vertaiuty... NU timt... more layout-I.lWe :or
the proposition iii his
lie did not presume 'to naive ail time at whicir

-the Bank should rtsume their cash payments t but
the Public bad a right to expect, and they did
Pxpect,, the Batik should set al►nut it. Thus the
first branch of his motion would be as to the ex-
pediency of the Bank resuming its cash payments.
The next branch world be as to the best mode of
reiun►ing these payments ; and here he would
suggest, that The Ba►►k should pay their different
tleseritvtions of notes let cash at different times.—
Say, for instance, that utter the first of Jriiittaty
next, the 'Bank should pay all notes of one pound
io cash. That six months after they should-begin
to pay their two podool.notes, and at n.period of
six months after that they should pay their five
ponnd notes in cash, and so on. He only threw,
oda this hint, it woold he for the Committee, if
his motion should he agreed to, to consider what
the periods should he. One other subject he had
to advert to, and that was the stt►te of the silver
coinage.; hut unless the standard value of the cir-
cttlating► medium was rendered stationary, it would
he in vain to issue ativ neW silver coinage. The
Bon. Gentleman observed, it woold be vain for
the House to attempt to deceive itself,—if the
Measdire now proposed wet not cart ied„- cash
payments would never be resumed. He would,
therefore, now move—

"That a Select Committee be appointed, to inquire into
the expediency of the reautoptirm of egil, payrikents by the
. :4 prim aderseit erataider the safest and most stcute
e thit. r
The Cosncel.t.ort of the &ten ecuutt could not
spree, that an exteosion of Restriction now would
be est eosin') for ever. The Finn. Gentlemau wrmhl
recolleCt, that tie Bullion Committee, in 1810,
enoressed its doubts whether, even in the event of
trace, the Bank wield he able to resume its pay-
Meets in cash in less than two years ; anti he. was
Happy to find that the lion. Gentleman himself
still continued in that opinion. With respect to
the plan suggested by the HouourableGentieman,
there was an Act already in existence, the Act of
the 37th of the King, which provided, that the
Bank .should be attuned to pay all small slims,
under 51. itl cash ; and they had continued to do
so up to the present Anne. It would also be twee's-
aary that the Bank should have time to prepare for'
the resumption,of their cash payments, and that.
they should,' previous to commencing cash pap.
intents generally, make such issues of cash as
might in some degree satiate the desire of the
Public for gold. Another precaution would also
he necessary, namely, to extend for some time pro,
tection to the Bank of England notes in the pay-
ments. of Government. With respect to the ar-
gement which had been advanced by the lion.
Gentleman, that the price of, the articles of life
hall'been raised by the increase of paper circula-
tion, in his opinion, the contrary was the- fact,
end that the rise of price had increased the ell--
ciliation. It was the decrease of price which had
decreased the circulation of Country Bank palier.
The Rt. Hon. Gent, then contended, that the price
of corn did not, as had been contended, operate to
effect the price of gold, since at one period of last.
winter,w hen commis fallingin value ,gold was via; ug
in price. With respect to extending the period
of the restriction for two years, he considered it
would be better to propose two years, with some
degree of certainty, than one year with- no cer-
tainty, especially as the Bullion Committee had
named two years after a peace, as the earliest pro.
bahle time at which such a • measure could he
safely adopted. With respect to the appointment
of a Committee, he was at is loss to understand ,
what points they would have to inquire into ;
there was but one point of inquiry left, and that
was one Which no Committee had considered- it
right to inquire into, and that Wail the aetuol.
state of the Cath Treiesnry of the,Bank of Eng.
land. Whenever the Bank should res'itile its eath
payinents, it svould nut only he called on to furs'
nisit the treasure necessio:ylor its own wants, but
also all which should he required by the. Bank of
Ireland, suit that of Scotland the extent of these
Ckill4ridli the Batik Direetotawere best qualified
tat cniniete. Miler alt the circumstances, he was,
perauaded a less. period than, two years could not
be riven to. the Bank for these put poses.
Mr. S. P. GRA:IO, was in favour of a Committee
of Inquiry. He was of opinion that the House,
ought to strew to the public that, they were not'
playing gist and loose, and to the Bank of Eng-
land, that, at' a certain period, they must resume
their cask payments.. • He. believed the- system we
were pursitire was a novel one, namely, that a
great Corporation' should be making enorriseiss
issues- of paper upon' the credit of GoverOment,
whilst Governmeet had none' of the advantages.
Ott the contrary, Government war borrowing its
own money from this same Corporation, and- pay-
ing interest for it.
, .
n
Mr. MAnMYA'r considered'' that was the
bounden duty of the li-onte to inquire, why that
pledge given to the public, of the Bank restating
iti cash payments, six months after the signing
of a Treaty of Peace, was to be abandoned. He"
denied that this proposition could
.result from a
scarcity of bullion; for it was known that the
influx of bullion into this country at this moment
was. so great, that-the merchants dial not know
what to do with it,. and aCtlttilir sent it back 'to
the place Irons whence it' ensue, at the loss of
double fteightage, tied double institance. lie de-
nied also t but die measure. of the Chancellor of
v.xeketpier was in consonance with the wishes
of the Bank Directors themselves, who, he knew,
complained that they were norpermitted to resort
to the old cash currency,- and thereby to establish
the credit of the Batik of England upon the stone
solid 'foutulat ion on which it" had !lei-v(110re been
pineed. The:fact was, that this pokey of tv
striction in CAA 1)619100s. a' Mighty engine'
•„vhici, might nut to be entritsted to' tine
dusk ; -and whit a view tOlsteventing shelf' tvsys:
tests, he should most' cOrdially'support the Coin--
mittee proposed.
Mr. F. Law's strongly' riiSistethhe
thin of the Restrictions. IftlieprOptiSed'cOntinuaa
tiara tlor two years were ailbpterl, lie diti;uto 044
eve slionid-be: any nearer resuMption aleash pays
meats than at' present. Tliesittoptinn of_ cash:
payinents must lie :nada obligattfry,.. or 1t would
never
.be effectual ; if the Bank' ‘viisleft to itself
. .
cot, payments' would never he resumed.
Gotti CASTLERZAGU"contended that, if the Le-
gislature had not stispended the cash payments Uf
the hank, instead of ti war of vigour and success,
•
we, should kora bon an unporcrisbed country.

\Viten flentlemen 11;114:0 Of a pore And OWL
Chic standard of value, lie pot it to then% if, after
soch a seer as that in which we Were lately en-
gaged, the standard even :If gold must not have
been depreciated. lie admitted that the pre-
cious metals were the proper standards of circa-
lation ; and the paper mixed with it deFutled on
public credit. In his opinion the floe se would
see, that a cortsideraide petite! ought to elapse '
before the Batik should be compelled to pay iii
cash. Ile was sure the lion. Member, who
moved for this Committee, w (odd not say, that the
precious metals were its sufficient quantity in 'this
country, to warrant calling on the Bank to return
to cash payments. It was impossible to attribute
to the Directors of the Batik, that they were ac-
Inattbd by nsty 'lnOtive so'euworthy as a wi-ih.to
fill their own pockets. ' Until he could see the
exchange becotO so favoyable .ris to make gold
tunic profitable in the shape of coin, rather than
when melted down hitt' ingots, he could not con-
sent to Call on the Batik to pay in cash. He there-
fore saw no reason to institute the imptiry sought
for.
Sir J. NeweortT contended, that the Bank Di-
tuetors were sworn to make all legal profits for
themselves anti their Constituents. For own
entrt he considered, from what the NOhle Lord
bad said, that the issue of 11,1 per was nreallt to he
at legSl comemporaneous with the Nobic Lord's
ThtkreansacWin originated front
the intimate connectionbetweeo tie 0-overtone-Ire
.and the Bank ; and which reduced us to the ne-
cessity of borrowing that from the Bank which
it was entrusted to keep for the good of the coun-
try only. it. was the duty of the House to en-
quire into Illib question .before it agreed ,to the
further suspension of Bank issues.in-Speeie.
Mr. it declared it to be the most anxious
erkh of the Bank Directors, to be enabled to re-
tern to cash payments. There WWI no such oath
as that alluded to by the Right lion Gentleman
(Sir J. Newport). Although the Bank Directors
were atisioos for the resuming of csssh paymentt,
yet they were tiientlly to this Bill, because they
coal not give any security for resuming them in
less than two years.
Mr. PoteSON/SY said, that it was the (fury of the
Batik Directors to make the greatest profits they
could for those who had/toorusted them with the
management of their affairs ; anti this they,
,had
always done, whether bound by their flatlet ur
their honour. He had no doubt but that things
would go on in the saute way, moil the House
shouldcall on the Bank to return to earl) paymeuts.
Mr. BA RI NO iinprtl the Country would be en..
railed to return, as soon as possible, to that sys-.
tem of payment lOcash, which w(it)h Alone se-
cure•the interests of the country. _ There was no-
plied; to the issue of paper-currency, but the tbs.
action of the Bank Directors,
.Lord-FoLKRVIVNIt ssi:l, that 110 provision was
matte in the 13,ink-Resvriction Bill for resuming,
cash. payments within two years; it was merely a
continue the liestrictious.
Me.:Hustossott was favourable to the resew-
tion of cash peyureuts as soon its there could be
found as 4 deaf quatitity of the precious metals
for coinage in the country. It was essential that
they shOuld declare to the Batik and Country that
we sl, mhi gradually return to cash payments"
without which there was ilo safety fur property.'
At the -same time that be thought it townie to fix
any period tor that 'resumption, he .thought
might be clone in less' than two years.
Mr. Tti6teesos hoptid that the state•of Corn-
nierc;i would so improve us; Ilott bullion would
come into this country sufficient to enable us 10
reglinle east) payment Within the
p'tfriod of two years.
Mr. Hoetsett, ill, reply, had no wish to plunge.
into the mazes of phraseology and ideas of the
Noble Lold (Castleicagh), Confine the Bill for •
testrieting the Ilenk (rout resuming Cash.Pay-
nivets to' tWo years,. and his object. would be rte-
cintiplished. lie called oh the Clouse to give dio
Teetioni to !het effect to tile Wink, for be had no
faith in any of their promises or declarations, and
could' only' say, that if Ministers persevered in
cOlitinaing the Bid for two years, they Would fa-
tally
shake public and private credit. •;,
division then took olsce—...
Aeainst the Motion..
For' it
••
"Alajerity against it
. ' • ALIENS.
sll‘ S. Ttostit.f.y rOa retarn to,the gallery,
.
was objecting, to' the preciritaney with which
• Ministers wet e disposed to press the Mien Bill
'through the illow,e.; and moved for a return at'
the number of Aliens, sent clotof the country,
ender tbe Act, at the instance of ttuy to eigh
Ui-
nister,, since 1i93.
Lord CASTioiIiKAGO said, the House had adopt-
ed a similar measure not Only in 171.13, but also in
1862, and after the Treaty of Nate in 1814 ; and
he should he able rti prove that reasons us urgent
still existed for its 'adoption.
,
Mr. Pollscitoi tihsevetl, that tne answer of the
Noble Lord did not apply to the motion, And he
therefore. begged the Noble Lord would think-of
home other.
.answer.
Mr.. H. AbomoTos st.lt(ll, that lie. had made
enquiries, end he utrilerstood that 'in no oue
stance had eity Alien been sent alit coiin-
try at the request of any Foreign Nlittister. The
therefore, woidd he " Writ." • •
Mr. Baetsto stated the eircturistance'-of' two
Dutch merchauts who were sent out of the coup-',
try at. a moment's notice. He (Mr. B.). waited',
upol4ord'Sidinotith, ntid was inforined by!that
:Bogle Lord, that instructious or'itoiturttioul had',
m been scut fro. the Office of Foreign"Secre.
taro to ; aud he had nit alto autive but to send
614 of the country.
CAST.t.littKA`Gii, Lord Mtt.Ttite, Mr. BA-.
THUItST, ittlii'Sir S. itoSitt,LY' ihatie unite obseria.
fiat's, anti the '

.Ajes • • • .
Ntiti ' • • Re
Majolity
Mr. MAZitritONIBY moved (or an Account of till moll**
pstia to the Wain Artist; Cabdva, oat di tie- tuotribtitiOna
troll) France to this'eountry,Agreed to.
The .1-fouse into Ow Cptutnittees of War'
artii Weans,. when a variety. of lidancialreisolutiuns for Ireland
were aitrer4l in.
The Local 51ilitia HathatSospension Bill was Irrouiht up,
awl mad a first time.
The other Orders of the Dt‘y were then disposed
of, sod the House iitijourot:d at HAI-vast Twu
u'Cloeit to Friday.

L.IW INTELLIGENCE.

ii-ESTAIINSTER-ITALLA Wut,%F.,snAy, NAB 1.

thC fiat day of Easter Term, tile
tord Clkaneellor, the Niaster Of the -I(tYHs, tile
Vire-Chancellor, and .Indges, came to the Hair
with tf,e usual eervinnnies, and tiftertvarth pro-
ceeded to their respective Courts.