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HOUSEOF _LORDS, May 2.
The LORD CHANCELLOR 'ouli his seat upon the Woolsack
at Five o'clock.
Messengers from the Commons brought up certain Bills.
The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented several petitions
from different places in Scotland against the Maynooth Bill.
He did not concur in the pral ers of those petitions.
FRESH-WATER FISHERIES (SCO t LAND.) The NoRLE EARL, also presented a petition in favour of the
Bill for the protection of fresh-water fish in the rivers of Scot-
land. The Noble Earl gave notice that on Monday he shou'd
draw the attention of their Lordshins to the report of the Com-
mittee on the subject. .
NEW BANKRUPTCY BILL.
Lord: CANIPBELL presented a petition from Boston,
Praying for a revision of the clause in the Act of last session
which did away with imprisonment for debts under 201.
ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR.
Several petitions were presented praying for a repeal of the
Act for the union of the Dioceses of St. Asaph and Bangor.
MAYaOOTH.
The Bishop of SALISBURY presented several petitions
against the Maynooth Bill.
On
The Bishop of ST. DAVID'S had two petitions to prcsent
° th,e Inhjeet of the additional grant to Maynooth, the prayer
of wnieli differed from that of many of the petitions which had
of
beethe n pre,ented on the subject. The petitioners were in favour
grant. They were both from the borough of Carmar-
,_then, and were signed by the Mayor, Aldermen! 'tom-
u're of the Town Council, and in fact ey almost,
all the respectable inhabitants of 11,, borough. 1/0
the
that he had better read to. ';--44e
petition.
[hats' out thatthey
, The petitioners House a portion of the
'....,aied that they were all Protta-
Rtboixt but
we:e desirous of seeing justice done; and
'.,ltat the Maynooth Bill was founded on the
shr,..t?id 7-...itnia, 1+ to do unto others as we would that others
*- r..irri do unto us," they prayed the house to consent to the
tnttetw He felt bound to say that he found that in some few
,t) ces,and they were but a few, the same names were attached
a,, both petitions, but he believed that this had arisen solely
°l2l inadvertence
nvaZiThe Bishop tto of .CA SHEL presented several petitions from
Zs Places in Ireland, agaiest any additional grant toNlay-
owthdt.• %here was one of these petitions to which he wished to
e particular attention of their Lordships It Wes signed
Irony 001 y a small number of individuals—only by 18. It was
Onlytn Dingle, in the county of Kerry. Of tiles, 18 individuals
yert three had been born Protestants. The others were eon-
sett:s from the Roman Catholic faith. They said that the
aa.iti ntangekt in the collega of Maynooth were uneharitaide
11"
itio of persecution, anti that the petitioners had ruitered in
NZ ent degree from the persecutions of the Maynooth-bred
ntetp, because they had exercised the right of private juttp,-
tin,p) and had become converts to the Protestant faith. Only
the c'f the petitioners had been originally Protestants, and
7,11,,0,t1hers had been converts from the Roman Catholic faith.
few
ti.tiatrn.ber of Protestants originally in the parish had been so
vsoa,t hail not there petitioners been converted the parish
_ A,,t ';'143411. been susp filed under the Church Temporalities'
athe
zniailiyesptli:rsetelfocte°sntsaencitueetninc;re"gf 'e c°":ersions of heads of fa-
Indtheese
if!, and. the n-. ''.tn had been increased to nearly
rish had been say-al in consequence,
linps ft, 've::. needs of families had suffered great persecu-
- the ir the Roman Catholic priests on that ace.iiiat. . .
sign4l 12, arnuis of BREADA Ll 3 %NE presented 82 petitions,
from th y 10,604 Persons in different parts of Scotland, chiefly
eigainst e grew [ion of the Free Church in that comery,
hotity the grant to May nooth. He would take this oppor-
rough%hes aia°l expressing his surprise at the mode in which
'"tY's Government were pushing the grant to Maynooth
the Mtitions
he the Rouses of Parliament—this, he might call it,
tha°"!4litional made. It appeared that, however numerous
e COllntry against.
miht b d v r earnest the expression of
e, an owe e
de
erminea,
la enn it, yet the Government were I t
tl, „..to'ietl4relity of the majority' which they possessed, to carry
la.._ nuke e through both Houses of Parliament.
sa-orti'se. of WELLINGTON felt compelled to say a few
(Nis fn e,nose.quenee of what had fallen from the Noble Mar-
Not, t 0 had
just sat clown. The Government were not pre-
tlse,,
vr!Pnelf this measure in an unconstitutional manner, but
that 3,70 Prepared to take the sense of Parliament, and on
Lortigg.they were prepared to act.
lord x 'AI3UGHAM in rising to present a petition from
wntotinnity of sayinta
oppori er.isington against the West London Railway, took the
that it was a very great mistake, he
Otis hat saY a nmisrepresent'ation, but it was a very
14 the balstake to suppose that because the majority
they 1, mmtry had not petitioned in favour of Maynooth, that
011
weerre Xgainst the grant. The contrary was the ease. They Petition e,,'o favour of the grant did not think it necessary to
Isere four eut, a, a Noble Friend of his had observed, if there
404 persons in favour and one against it, the filth, he-
betie,., a was the most noisy person of the lot, got all the

Earl 13EE A AND SPIRIT HOUSES.
t .elitions f._ A' presented :ITZIVILLI M an immense number of
_
of Atiri. all parts of England and Wales against the of , luaus liquors on the Sabbath, and for the •
hitin2ues" for the sale of spirits and beer. A grrieeyaotoasilytedraistaiopn_
pot,,r. o Made in the law in 1829, whichhad g
••see those who had advocated it. He was one of i hose who,
la the 4
euse of Commons, had voted against that mtheeals)uertii,
Itirestettrsasted the House would entertain the prayer o
The N
Ai
OBLE EARL also presented seven petitionsseefsroomf
kotagoarrtahnedn, in Wales, agaiust the
.u.nionfroomf
Bolter et Bt.• Asaph ; likewiae a petition
Lot.; N• against the Maynooth Bill. . . tthheecounty of
fo
0n,.. CtRAIA. NB Y presented a petition from Deists Adi •es
aNtncero-
folk,orast the 11Iaynooth Bill • also one from
Act
cf
last
sesstoo.against the 2W. clause of' the Bankruptcy
, The Bich
tae pro °1) of LONDON presented several petitions against
The P44(1 Union of Bangor and St. A saph.
e Mar •
ed a petition in
favour ' quis of CL A N RICA RDEp v we J.,
Don. °f the 19
Irish railway from arpelsaecnet in Ireland whose
The
~ceiti not Catch.
petition from the
bean.," ke ef RICHMOND presented .
fine fr Y of Bangor against railway travelliangcroonf
Sito., °re the same place against the opening L"Y. Sunday,
salosno
kastod
1\7111.171AX presented a petition against the grant to
r, CONFESSIONS OF' CRIMINALS,
af ta *Juke of BUCKINGHAM wished to call the att:•„,tow
twuri'r Lordships to a written statement that. was:-„,,atle by the
lain
ofrZ,ewho ,
was lately eliecutiedr at,.. A v..l_e_l(,).ux,sttaot :sltoleecohtar,:e
plie.rosed
ttrt gl:ltytereroep, tt,i,e-
theevldattist,„...(t wont
their requiring
r„1111 to do so. He (Mr. ....roc) told them he had no objection
petti' roske a private a'.:..1 confidential communication to them re-
ng it, I.„„it refused altogether to make a disclosure
ta onen-C".aart. Now, he (the Duke of Buckingham) wished
° k..ow from her :Majesty's Government whether the chaplain
hf the gaol was authorised to wthhold such a statement from
the magistrates On their requiring him to deliver it Up ?
The Duke of WFLLINGTON had no authority froin the
tie,
tt,,4 ernment to make any answer to the question ; bist, con-
;47,4ins!s*red that, unless in a case where the life of the mini ter
eif vri.ss in danger or in cases of high treason, the common law
7,1.4 tie him to make any disclosures of a confession made to
The such circumstances.
clotilli . Marquis of CLANIII
pooh, -n o the Secret cARDE thought that as the
1tt1e,,441 had, as he unkistood, made the communication
of State, and the judge who ided
tato trial,toa that, it could no longer be looked upon acts pri-
lh. n,:.cation.
~,,,,,,2-14.06. of WELLINGTON said that it was no private
kett-lo:.ation, as it had been made in the presence of a third
tor" j the governor of the gaol.
lejbe*as up,‘•;ANIPIIELL said, that by the law of England there
it"t'retectioni given to the minister of any religion with re-
,a,ted- tort:ttle,h 4 confession. It was over and over again
-"re k -".
1113' were bound to disclose it. Even in a c..,e
t 114.,
lucorifession had been made to a Roman Catholic priest
•ttrhe I:lleireorestances, was compelled to disclose it.
,4113, it,°l) of EXET'EReslid that pit' was a portion of the
i1.4.e1l °of te Church of England, and the liturgy, of the
w7kRS4, thal'tg),nd was recognised as
.akporation
on
of
wham
he
ev.4:lll%;:t!eooarlicica
ttglyrboan
.sawoandseicr
compunctionsm of con-
°,.l`lti„.°Os'ottZas hi's duty toa oeuasremhe conscience of the sick man,
..
eftsl"able a4t,einifession to further the ends of public justice.
14)ocaie t tio Learned Lord was mistaken in the supposi,i .
: apish° ;r7_.hich he had referred. The case was not that
•)1,8.
warst, but of a cl-rgyman of the Church of Eng-
tatZe Wiri 3 cot tried before Justice Buller but before
. Mr.
or.
la t7t, tbs., (tist.i.; and there was another case of more
Justice
it"
at s.,
which had been decided by Mr. .
Snitable and this'
Prio,
d• to the principle which the
Whiteh. Leartled
Lord Exeter had advocated.. After that trial he
h' aunt to NI ) had communicated with the Learned
ied .. wits take ‘; erence to the decision of . Lord
..,
, that r I,,_fm the Northern Circuit, the
.y
tt:Rh had have refused the evidence on which Lord Loub i ,
on, on a subsequent occasion, staten.dithhoa!
at
ra,,„.., decided, ;2:47tivlll:l;t:in:
stating this opinion.
Yliomtrusted that the Noble and. Leari.ed
iresunsptuous in
that tit tefe.'red,
01144 ' " awns.but that of the high au horities to whic
Lot,,e Cods
fl a...°,d,.he had made those
be prevented.
in order
Issot,tl" STANiee. Justice might not . prevented.
sztte ogee
coovi
.1 said that the confessnons made by Per-
Noll Inlty
of. life,etns at the hour of death, or in the very
dwhether the : could further no ends of public justice.
c-
elrity Girth csyrnan who attended the person in these u
,ts
tio:e tbat'ttastanees had acted wisely or otherwise, i
.wus•..
etied„ The eonconfession would further no ends of public and
eerit;ee to tt,ffe_s.'ion sr.as. made to 'dear the conscience,
doh ;1' and future spiritual welfare of the ind.dual
have
-Of .. nrtheri_ 0 way act as aco
hti:c*lu Was "g the ends of justice. The publication of a
the
AY a prur. of value only with a view to this end, or to
ti'lo one wient curioiy, and L Stanley) conceived
-itle e• Th°,„u,d think that citypubl was necessary
tias.;- eonfe,, - enalilain in this case could reveal the contents
hatrio"ton or ,scion lo Such as he thought fit
ing It wa.
,es
.._ diser.:_persons
and if the vi-i !nag's-
%s. were dis.-...rt on his part ;
his The satisfied, they had the, remedy in their own
as t4l,leY) wool had the o - -f removing
to ~,.-"Ihil eeu-ri?' nture io"seary °that, under sulcnhinCircliumest(aLnocreds
th,‘.4 fer th eted with the present subject, there was no case
1 I.ith,iplajoetttinterference of the Secretary of State to force
ost l'''' 440/J4,-,lee UP possession of the document.
thstrikAen, a 'MA NI agreed with the Noble Lord who had.
to • it% s '4l
oughtthou the clergyman had exercised a sound
, late t. • It was
‘ioo r ere ; part of the duty of the Secretary of.i Mate
r.
ittier°l the tio4 such eases as that brought under the consi e a
tlptip:tsl.'het'etris:i
ethu'eiorezrbril;(ll magistrates
g as to the particular
hi Ica, whets that should be iien to points of law. T. he
th4steot
ittrteziai
undei_ a
I,(7.,cereofbsoeuenrdeetyo di-close
acroinsefeisosioLs
l'ettptkitit: 1,,9e.t. This WPas a'case and h'would not speak on
a% ro,„red to be-p.'%"ich a Confession' made, after conviction was
4iteti a rllo4l° up. In this c.Ase, he would state, they oughtre-
(1,4111 ht Zither toritsatt9 !uppose, that an after confessio,n.
The
h public
„sptiet. tett
3_,,..,,i5efs the. Public or the. jury.
, I
'4., Loa verP"n d with the verdict. I here were three
.
Vtk, e'er,
sat
~,tet, the jury the judge, and the Crown, and. if
ito t stotessi,fied
with thy,' the
of a criminal, no confession'
Shpt. bid toaer after that. But if juries were to
Ni, teial, t aPeculaie upon confessions being made
ottthttrotiki
arriosteaa 0,
, t ce.ully weighing evidence, great '
,Ilttlir Nit rose' If a jury had any doubts whatever they ,
t"attt cialy to convict. it ought to be known, that juries
rteeahltt all. il!encict upon evide- ce, and should have or,
leY ct too"eY,ritight to be told, that hey ought nut to
44w*,ere0 feasions, which were worth, o very little, that
Otitollir ,;eetn,tetotiptes resorted to by criminals in order. to
4,,e, t4te,,L41.;t1;1,,is of to ,Scare.
agreed with the Noble
1114,4 4,1‘,4'e I!reeeded him in the view of the questiot,n.
1,1,1114„toto I,l,heeel There was another point
. to whiehlesfor
ti, teoo se, I, reference, while this business was
.414; of do`a.lras ;expecting letters sent by per Fons under
au_- '
,:elil„Pk,...had th_"• he Lordships knew that the prisisn
was
that ,',_Pever of opening letters, but it never
~Icrstiqfloirto`°ey had the Power of furnishing for
.publication
s.t.tll aPp g and blasphemous letters, as two which had,
.iiith selt„ toted in the public prints, addressed by tbecceots':f
eiltst ti.'aglst t ,wo unfortunate females ; every senten d
at
thi.4 the ?..naVe been buried in oblivion. He hope
Ititk„!eo ;ceretary of flat, would, if he did no more, ,
i isorPtil „41 and advice prevent the recurrence of such
."tt 4 4 -eccedin
th, triv Nal AA. P.
allyti, a f3l . coocurred with the Noble Lord who 'had
d6tt :Le lttintlit.,isaid that after a verdict was given by a jury
tne'cased thy ti " right to doubt its integrity, but, slit Auld
tat. . s toe arise the throne of mercy was open t.o be
tt*ti Qati t 4 ho r '
120, tis., osoy , Pet the public mind would give up i a ex•
t it? etad_ i to respect to publications containing sukh nits-
that Ines those which had teen referred to. He did
a the prisoner, who was' a man of ~fal.th and