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London, England, 1820-11-10 00:00:00

PARLIAMENT.

}';OUSE OF LORDS—YESTERDAY.
Part'e following is a fuller account of the latter
.1,1 of the Debate of yesterday :
ftw Eat" of LIVERPOOL felt himsell called upon to say a
14,4%,s upon the present occasion. He would pot it. to
Lew "n•dships, whether be could be fairly accused of baying
t'lcoi,d"t' as an inducement to Noble. Lords to vote. foirdtthe ,
Neet,,,,rtarling of the Bill, that the Divorce Clause %sou -
tliet," " the Committee ? Undoubtedly he had stated, upon
tYntle'tion for the second reading, that it would'be compe-
l" Part-'4le Lords to urge any objections they might have
H
1141 Icirlar parts of the Preamble in the Committee...
judwaYss however most distinctly stated that, in his ow!.
a"lci ti,";t, Prean:ble of the Bill was substantially pr,ved ;
alt,ta;."ad never held out any expectation that any material
Noble 't °l's would he proposed in the Committee. If any
Ptessio'd had voted for the second reading under the
im-
the Cu ° that some material alterations would be proposed in
Nvouidnltoittee, which alterations bad not been made, it
third rea Course, be perfectly open to hint to vote against the
gva to ding of the Bill. As to the Divorce Clause, he beg-
f.Put it to their Lordships' candour, whether lie could
tiirdirlY accused of any thing like trick or manceuvre—whe-
un' IT, the contrary, his conduct had not been most, explicit
? ais point from the very commencement of the proceed-
114 Bile had declared front the beginning, that
. the object of
4' 'trot) 'tas not the personal relief of the King upon the
to), es but the cure of a great public grievance. Undoubt:
lq opt bad stated, that if strung religious prejudices existed
to vrPositiou to the Divorce Clause, it was not his intention
4itzes:lus,:lticiinoriereisiasianf.xit. Whether he was right in the. 016-
pressed, or the vote he had glven,
itt Ulm 1,4" t pretend tn say ; hut he would say, that no man
Abativ ""nse had a right to impute his conduct to unworthy
es, t
•() say that the opinions which be had delivered
Lari urd"t peen
,most explicit and distinct.
.41,1`ABOROUGH said, that many .Noble Lords
but•are toted for the Divorce Clause for different reasons;
turd w"Peared to hills to be utterly impossible tharany Noble
Upon 1f) l+'+d voted for the omission of the Divorce Clause
third
rreligious scruples, could hesitate to vote agains‘t, thei
toms ea,iding of the Bill. It would not be sufficient
away and
biodrrle
vu.o stood in this predicament to stay.
ntissiot. "4: altogether, for they who permit'tte7thtemcorii-
ttle of a criminal act, were themselves participators in
L • il'e•
NIa;:tstt..LLTHORPE felt himself hound, in justice to his
Government, to say, that though he had often been
toe;,„ led to oppose their measures, and though he did not
14,1 1100, to stand forward as their advocate, yet he could
itrt,„t 4fteite any conduct more becoming the /slini,ter of a
‘th„ 7
i.uniry, than to pay a proper respect to public feeling,
aleit ~,Se found that feeling oppoSed to his own impressions,
ta;„,t, jotets the Noble Earl had done yesterday. He looked
{the
IsiuT Noble Earl's vote as a mark of respect to what be
ule Earl) considered the- religious prejudices of a con-

siderable portion of the most conscientious, the bait informed,
and most right-judging part of the community.
The Earl of DONOUGHMORE thought the present dis-
cussion most irregUlar.. -What-had 'been- the grand founda—;
tion of .the present discourse ? •It was this,.-Noble Lords had
thought it right to rise in their places, and to give directions
to other Noble Lords-as to the part they should take at a
stage of the Bill which had not yet arrived. lt was in fact a
recommendation from the Lay Lords id the Bishops, to tell
them that they were not bound to vote ift- a particular Way in
consequence of the moaner in which, .u.sa a former occasion,
they had thought it right to conduct themselves. He- had
now 4, few words to offer on the conduct of the Government.
He had strongly opposed the course they had taken yester-
day. He must, however, remark, that they had a perfect
right to do as they had done. On that pact of the subject, or
on any other, they had an undoubted right so to regulate their
conduct. They had given the House no pledge that the Pre-
amble, or any thing else in the Bill, should be materially al-
tered. They had stated their reasons for supporting the mea-
sure such as it was when presented to the House in each
stage, and though they had spoken of the possibility Of making
certain alterations, they had given no pledge 'on-.the subject.
—(Some interruptions having here occurred, he expressed a
hope that he should not be interrupted.)—He trusted that he
•ever conducted himself with decency while any of their Lord-
ships were speaking, and he should expect, and he would ex-
, tort, that decency from others. In order to save their Lord-
ships' time, at the close of this most important proceeding,
he thought it desirable that all unnecessary interruptions
should be avoided, and that the House should not be tuned
into a bear garden.—Having done justice to his Majesty's Mi-
nisters, so far as their conduct bad been introduced in
the present transaction, he thought himself equally called
upon to allude to a Noble Friend of his, the Noble Earl
• who sat on the same bench with himself (Earl Grey), who
had made so prominent a part of those °hies rations which
he (the Earl of Donoughmore) had already condemned as en-
tirely inapplicable and irrelevant, from the commencement of
this most important proceeding. To any Noble Laird it must
have been obvious, that his Noble Friend had entered on the
inquiry with a feeling rather directed to the suspicion of the
guilt, than otherwise, of the Royal inculpated person. He
must, however, in this respect, acknowledge that he was mis-
taken, and confess how materially that impression had been
strengthened (though that was not necessary) by every part
of his Noble Friend's conduct. It was impossible for any of
t heir Lordships to have the shadow of a doubt, that the so-
- leom conclusion to which his Noble Friend had come, was the
just dictate of an honest and enlightened mind. Not only
from his own regard, but from public principles, he bad
thought it most indispensable that the conduct of that Noble
Earl should be held up in the true point of view. For, stand-
ing as the Noble Earl did as a public man, the country had
a great interest in the character of his Noble Friend.
The LORD CHANCELLOR thought it necessary to call
their Lordships' attention to the question now before the
House. The question on which their Lordships bad to decide
was this', and no other, whether or not the word compounded
of the letters t, li, e, should stand part of the Bill. With all
the respect—the sincere respect which he felt for the Noble
Lord near hills, he must say, that he knew of no unworthy prac-
tices having been resifted to in the course of this proceedipg ;
for himself, he declared that be had supported no principle
ti-hat he did not in lois conscience approse. He had not uttered
one word in the course of :these long proceedings (and their
Lordships would feel that some allowances were to be made for
the situation in which be was placed), that he would not be
willing now to repeat. With respect to the vote which be load
yesterday given, he must state that he had felt himself hound in
honour to act thus, in order to pay that deference to those
religious scruples, which he understood to be opposed to the
Divorce Clause. It was from this feeling that be had decided
far the part he had taken, though the scruples he bad alluded
- to, seemed to him altogether without foundation. Consider-
ing the Clause now to he most clearly justified on all reli-
gious grounds, it was his opinion that if the Bill passed at
all, that clause ought to stand a part of Amendment
• was then agreed to.
The Duke of HAMILTON rose to object tn*-the words
4i adulterous intercourse" remaining in the Preamble. He
would not at present enter into any discussion of this subject,
as it world be more •eonveniently discussed on the-third read-
ing of the Bill. He merely rose to move the omission of
those wont's, that-it 'might be recorded, that the fact of an
adulterous intercourse having taken place, was not universal-
- ly recognized by that Hteuse. The objection to the enacting
'part of the Bill would follow as corollary from the objection
to the words " adulterous intercourse; but as he malt r-
stood a Noble Lord bad already given notice of a motion on
this subject, he would not occupy the time of the House
further- than 14 moving the omissions of the words " adulte-
rous intercourse." .

The Earl of LAUDERDALE suggested that the Noble
Duke had better move to omit the word " adulterous," merely
leaving the wont " intercourse" in the Bill.
The Amendment was then put and .negatived.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE moved that the words, " for
a lung period of time during her Royal Highness's ri.sidence
abroad," be omitted, as those words seemed to him to con-
vey au idea that the adulterous intercourse had been car-

tied ou fur a longer period than had been made out by the
evidence.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL did not object to the Amend-
ment, as there was some ambiguity in the phrase, though, in
his view of the subject, it stated nothing which was untrue.
The Earl of ESSEX tho.ught the precise period ei time
ought to be specified.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that in an allegation of
adulterous intercourse, it was not necessary to specify either
time or place; had it been an allegati:m -of a single act
of adultery, it would th&ts have heels necessary to specify
the time and place with that convenient certainty which the
law requires.
. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, there was one objection
to the Noble Earl's Amendment which had not immediately
occurred to bins. If the words objected to by the Noble Earl
were omitted, there would be no words in the preamble to
mark that the-adulterous into course.was committed abroad.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE proposed, that the words
" dosing some part of her Royal Highness's residence abroad"
might he substituted for those in the preamble.
After an observation Irons the Earl of HARROWBY, sug-
. .

gesting (we believe) that the clause might be liable to misin-
terpretation, if the adulterous intercourse were nut distinctly
alleged to have taken place " out of the realm,"
The Earl of LAUDERDALE withdrew the Amendment
altogether, on an understanding that a proposition of the
nature suggested by the Noble Earl (the Earl of Harrowby)
would he brought forward on the third reading of the Bill.
The Earl of CARNARVON said, that it' was impossible for
the House to forget, notwithstanding the terms in which this
Bill was couched, that previous to its introduction to their
Lordships'. notice, a negociation had been going forward, to
which not only his Majesty's Ministers, but that House, must
have been considered as parties, in which her Majesty had
been supplicated to accept certain terms, which, if they hail
been accepted, must have led to the total abandonment of
this measure. With the knowledge of this Net, he thought
they would be justified in recording it as part of the Bill. He
should therefore move as an Amendment, that after the
words alluding to her Royal Highness's residence abroad,
these words should be inserted :—" That after her Royal
Highness's return to this country, 50,0001. per annum of the
public money had been offered to her, together with the prof-
fered homage of both Houses of Parliament."
The question on this amendment was put, and negatived
Wit hind a division. . . .
Lord KING moved that the words previous to the words
" great scandal and dishonour have been brought. upon your.
Majesty's family and this kingdom," in this clause, should be
omitted, and the following words substituted-:--" And
whereas certain Commissioners were appointed to. proceed to
Milan, who, together with one Vimereati, have collected a
mass of false and infamous evidence, which appears, during
mane•days and weeks, to have been detailed at the bar of
the i-louse of Peers, whereby"—then would follow the ori-
ginal Words of the clause " great scandal and dishonour
have beets brought upon your Majesty's family and. this
kingdom"—(Laughter.)—lt appeared to him that the whole
progress of this case demanded 'such a description, and if
this amendment were acceded to, be should move this
further addition to the clause, " That the persons who act-
ed as such Comtnissiimers at Milan, shall forbear to hold,
and for ever after shall be disabled and rendered incapable of
holding, any place of profit-or emolument under the Crown."
(Laughter.)—lf this motion were carried, the Bill would still

A Flanders Mail arrived last night with Brus-
sels Pcpers to Tuesday last. The following aro
extracts :
nauisELN, Nov. 6.—His Royal niglines; the Prince of
Orange arrived last night on his return from Warsaw.
Th: last accounts received from Batavia, come down to the
ISt!' of July. The expedition against. Palembang had been
again deferred. His Majesty's ships Willie!mina and Mary,
which sailed from Helvoctsluys on the 13th February, arrived
at Batavia on.the 22d and 24th June.
According to accounts from Macassar, tranquillity con-
tinued to prevail in that Island. It does not at all appear that
the Sultan of Bonihord conceived any hostile projects against
the Government of the Netherlands in India. The Union and
Eclipse corvettes were before Saurabayen. His Majesty's
corvette Galatea has struck on a ruck near Banca; the mew
were saved and brought to Batavia.
On the 14th of June, the Goening- Ahi, or burning moun-
tain of Banca, began to throw out torrents of fire with dread-
ful velocity; the whole Island was soon covered with ashes
and stones which the volcano threw to very great distances.—
They even fell in showers on the neighbouring Islands. It is
feared that much injury has been done to the plantations of
the precious trees which produce the nutmegs.
The Chinese Government has prohibited the importation
of opium into its dominions ; it has likewise ordered Father
Atniot, the only Missionary who was still in Pekin, to quit
China. An old French Priest, of great age, who has secretly
inhabited China fur a great number of years, having been
discovered, has been inhumanly strangled at Canton.
The new osganization of the army, say accounts from the
French frontiers, while it mach diminishes the corps of infan-
try, will considerably augment their real strength ; but it
is calculated that above 60 Officers of the Staff, from the
rank of Colonel to that of Major, and near 400 Officers,
front the rank of Captain to that of Sub-Lieutenant, will be
placed on half-pay, till an opportunity shall be found to em-
ploy then).
VIENNA, OCT. 26.—We learn that Count Saurau, Chancel-
lor and Chief Minister of the Home Department (which is
(Jvided into several sections, according to the several pro-
vinces, with a Minister at the head of each section), has re-
ceived very important dispatches from Italy, and that the Mi-
nister at the head of Italian affairs has addressed to him seve-
ral reports, which have been sent to the Emperor. It is not
known what is the subject of these reports, but they are said
to be very interesting, and to relate to very important disco-
veriesmade by the activity of the Police.
BERLIN, Our. ea.—The Meeting of the Sovereigns at Trop-
pan- gives rise to various conjectures, which our politicians
receive with great avidity. Already an important mete is
spoken of, which Count Capo d'lztria is to deliver to the Anm-
bassaclors of the other powers relative to the affairs of Spain,
Naples, and Portugal. It is even affirmed that the tenor of
this note will be wholly pacific, at the same time that it will
announce that the Emperor Alexander has recognized the
new form of the Spanish Government.

At a late hour last night we received Two
llamburgh and One Dutch Mails. The follow-
ing are extracts :
I-Inmisounn, Our.3l.—We learn from an authentic quat-
ter that the accounts contained in No. 164 of this Paper, un-
der the head of IVarsaw, respecting what passed in the Po-
lish Diet on the 16th September, are entirely nufvunded,and
contrary to truth.
AveoNA, Nov. 2.—The murderer of our lamented fellow-
citizen, M. Ratligens, has been discovered and arrested.
His name •is Charles Meinrike. H 4 offered at Hambnrgh
some Danish bank-notes stolen front Mr. It., was suspected
and arrested, to be conveyed to •Altona, but on the way he
made his escape.
Since then, a man of the name of Viet)titian, formerly a
servant of Mr. B. was seized at Bolt zenburg by some Meek-
lenburgh Cens•d'armes; he hod .200 Louis d'Ors in gold. He
proved Si, he 06 same pet sun who called himself Meineike,
which was his wife's name, whom he has mmied since the
murder; she too was formerly a servant in Mr. ft.'s house.
EXCHANGE ON 1,,,N00NT-30.
Bausswi.s.—Our accounts from Ihe Fi eitcli frontiers say
that the decree fur the new organization of the French in-
fantry, has excited in general a great sensation in the army,
as a great Many. Officers will be put on half-pay. It was
supposed that the Ministry would take advantage of this op-
portunity to get rid of many persons whose Way.of thinking
dues not appear to offer a sufficient guarantee. IVe learn
from Mons that the works on the fdrtilications will soon

cease.
Fa rite EMS, Ocr. 20.--The Diet of East Fries.
land has closed for this year. The inhabitants of that Pro-
vince expect with confidence that the grievances, which are
equally injurious to• the Sovereign and the. inhabitants,
and b) which commerce and manufactures sutler, will be re-
medied.
HallovEtt, Nov. I.—His Royal Highness the Duke -of
Cambridge arrived here on the 24th ult.
- Count Munster will remain •London as Hanoverian Se-
cietary of State, and cannot,therefore, taise his place at the
opening of our Diet as I 1 e red itar y Laud-Marshal.

Mr. CANNING is now at Paris, and is e\pected
in London in the course of a few days•