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to *Cr, to it would operate to his Injury.
Forti.ivir E>a owed ..telnag to any body. It was
iii o said hisni livit he roteeded setting Mt* to
;yid meant to carry away eighty thousand
s out of I he. Wilily estates. But these were
inrameus falsehoods, and uttered by the last person
in the country that tthottki 'have uttered. them. In
the pr, sent ittsfanee, ' he assured tiwir 1.4-4dshtps„.A.r.
was 00' oted by no party motke.i. The remedy he
odw' proposed, was AS itnlrle as the (Nil was alartu•
isr.* obviate:4lj they had nothing to do but
whttr.tile. Bill propo6ed, render it iilegal
.futi "Man to piiy A I.ir y r sent than' 2 ts. for a gui-
nea. To rendor it tit, . tit for any person to receive a
less sutu in thexasera Bank Note, than the-value
thirein expressed as .payable to bearer ; these were
thelendpg provision, and thobeneficial_,tendeney,
orr.ithcr the savirti iind preserving etiais of Nett
mea4iire, . were incalculable. The farmers he rei•
erde(ras an oppressed set Of men. It was a most
itiemphoit (lnty of the legr.laturss to proted them.
The 6,114' which he-contemplated would more espe-
ciidly atrea that meritorious clam They would
bpread like a contagion. ,Their Lordships kne'= the
flame that spread in consequence of the proposition
of r oule ViscoUnt then absent (Lord Sidmouth).,
Airy thing which would so essentially aged the in-
ter.tat. of she farmers would in like manner be in-
stantly cOmmunicated from one end of the country,
to toe oiber. The adoption of the plan he tiropOsed
would obviate every pending evil. The Noble. Earl
ben presented lii, Bill, which he moved should be
read a tire titne; which was accordingly done.--
Its title corresponded with. its, leading provisions its
e.

Toe Earl of 144:uroor, gave the Noble Mover
ample credit as to the purny'and the correctness of
his motives, in conitng` forward on the present. ocCa,
sloth He agreed with him as to the great import•
once of the •übjea, wlocti was one hick merited
the serious atteffilon of the Legislature ;'and the
arguments of the Noble Eat l certainly carried great
Weibt wiih them, At the very late period of the'
Session, evrt, just on the eve of its closure, and
nutter ad the c•icionstances of the case, he tuought
i would not be advisable to proceed any ftirtiver with
the measure at present. When.the greai.extent and
tpagnitude of the subject were considered, and it the
propthed retneites were considered, he thought
their I..:irth;hips must, generally be of his opinion.
1144 wa% ivady at the sane tittle to admit the pre.
b.t!)le ellitacy of the remedies propeSed, as far as
they ti cut. As to the. immediate necessity; for their
adoption, where, it principally rested. on what was
said, as to the jetended act of a
.single indiVidual,
1;4; could unt subscribe. tp the existence of that
Linder thricircumstancett, he could not believe
that the intention would he, persevered in, or if
it Nertl, that the example would be followed by any
tither petson. For the 'evils coutemplated by the:,
Noble Eall, the proposed remedy, as far as he consi;
dined it, would be thotight lobe the most efficacious,
y it, one grt-at and Material objeetion, that which
referred to making notes a legirl tender,wasinatreat
measUre ob. iated. Generally speaking, the sub,pect. iri
question was not proper tor Legislative interference,
except in arses of positive neeesiity, of which, as'
yet, he saw oo proof. It would be preferable to
rely upon the general pi inciple.of the mutual con,ti-
detive and good inner: of the people at large. Here.
he did not toe a sufficient case Made out to induce
a departure from that principle. The period of
the Session, Whet) mem. of the Members had left
town, and w hen • such an Important proposition
could not. be adequately, di;cussed, was.atso a most
serious objeCtiem As to the particular case alluded
to by the Noble heunderstood it was not only
apt Was stated by him, brit that the aheinative. of re-
eciving the Bank paper only at a depreciated slate,
was niade a, poiltive C4miLli9uti! That the rents skotild
bepaid either in British or 'Foreign coin, or in de-
pteeiat. d 133rd raper ! But he should repeat his
firM betiet, that such an intention, even if add(' up-
on, would induce no other person so to act ; 'the
exmople U. unit! not be tollowed. lie was aware of
the itijustice of such a piucedure under the circurn•
• stance, but lie tUd flu apprehension' as to the pre-
C ;in example, and on the grounds he
bad alt catty bi AIM, no necessity exilted-no ade-
quate case was in.nie nut, to call for such an important
4.141,134 e tot= rpesition. tuft it his duty,
hhOnid th, Noble Earl move for the second reading
of the itiil,, to move Theta be read a second time
on deep thy thice month,
'rile Lail of Likura. it A cc, at some length, point.
ediy su;ported-tite artrt,titnenta and the proposiinm
of his t'Sit..Ple•Vriend (E,:rktitatihope). With reaped,
to the ease ot the Noble Lord, V. ho, it was said,
itnitSted opon plymt.ot of his present rents in specie,
li would recolleetion m$ the House, that
some mood's ~puce; he had positively stated such a
pra;:tice obtaineU in'beland and since that peried,
numerous were the'anonymons letters he had re-
ceived, intotioing him that various instances of the
kind occurred in that country. Ile was not decided
acto 'tie propritiy of pre,siog such a 13i11 at this pe-
riod of the Si: ssion. It should he piloted, and an
apportut;!4,,,,i general consideration afforded as to
the mum.: t,:e, remedy propowd, A remedy,
which the N.,ble S ,Icretary of State admitted' to be
the bon leoit (40 ntnictr the cliCninsianCcS
Wits Mare. ut. lie must opilose the fprtneipte t bet
it was prof LT:4We W eely on the discretion of- indivi-
dual's in rti e„nrttflo 01 inch vital iettportance„.thin on
a positive 14w of the land. It was DCA Ific
itie.ividuals, ;but to the protection of Partin-
,
1,,e;,1 lirepe ilite look t and it was inennn.
bon, Ott I.c..4liliti•e". to take the. itubjea alto its
An; Ctiii)::ki .ILitini at the (turbot j roon.: op.
portitnity.
A cohvetsation of some lingth ensued; principally
between •the Earls of LIMBIttcK OLANCA , RTY, and
LAuocticimii, reitpeeting the practices as above,
sisied by the latter, to obtain in a considerable de.
gme iii iteland. This position was controverted bY
toe two first mentiooed Peers. What took' 'place
was chiefly of an explanatory nature.
• Tex Earl ut LAUDE9DALP, mentioned, that as tar
99 his information went, the practices in question,
kineipally, if not entirely, were coOneti to the
ordi of Ireland.
The Earl of CLANCARTY relerredto, and explain.
e I a variety of circumstances which might bile
Et
.+en rise CO reports of the kind, but which he at.
gued,'did not obtain to the extent, or on the prinei.
hi or mode which the Eall of Lauderdale seetned
10 ctooterni for. -
Earl OitOSVENOR was of opinion, the subject, me.

rited the serious attention of the House. He
thought; however, in the proceedings on the present
o,.easion, silty should be guided by circulistances,
out come to any final decision as to the )jilt,
until they saw what course those would take.

The LORD CHANCELLOR wis not prepared to
give any opinion as to the expediency of adopting
the.. Measurt.propese4 by the 'l\l Ole earl i_het he
telt called upon to say, that in proposipg that mea-
sure, the Noble Earl could be 'a..;ttiated only by a
sepse of the.publie.good, and that therefore, under
all the circumstances of the times, he, thought the
Noble
,Earl
,entitled to the thanks of that House,
and of every well7wisher to the prosperity of the
country, ler having thus brought the subject forward
for their Lordshipe ,consideration. It was, far from
being a question to which be- could very readily
assent, to make a Bank Note
,a legal tender. The
ordinary (Nations against it had much weight in
his mind, such as—they were liable to be fictitious,
&c. &c. ; ,but in other reopeCts he did not conceive
that such a case as that adiuced by the Noble Earl
cOuldiof itself be sufficient to authorise such an in-.
terierence of the Legislature. The case, however,
in iteelt, called for very serious consideration, though
he had, in the good seise and patriotic spirit ot,the
country, a sufficient guarantee that it would not be
followed to any extent,' Beanies, as the law already
existed, he thought that the property of the tenan-
try wasSufficientty secured, and it might be unwise
to enact new laws on that head until circumstances
absolutely called for it. He was not fond cif ex-
amining into the motive, of any mates conduct, but
the conduct of the Noble individual who had been
kidded to, he could not exactly astrtbe with. a
Noble Lord (Lord Lauderdale) to pure patriotism.
If he ordered a coach from his coach-maker at tool.
and afterwards' paidr him that' tool. in Bank notes,
surely he could not consider it as fair and liberal to
requile that the same ce,ich-maker, when he had
tool. to pay him fur rent, should bring that'sum iu
gold', and net in Bank notesr: For surely it could not
,be considered as very fair in any manohcit, he should
pay his' own debts in Bank notes). but Olen, when,
others had debts to pay him, they should be paid in
a diflerent coin from Bank notes, or that he 'should
be indeninified tor the difference ihat might appear
to exist between paper and gold at the inomeno.of
payment. At beet, this was a sort of pure patriolismr
which he little undil-stookand was ltuledispOsed to
imitate:

Lord Lstrbsan.k La Complained that be had,been
grossly misrepresented by the Noble and Learned
Lord. When he said that such a, determinatien
might have been resorted to by any individual, from
motives of pure patriotism,• his meaning was, that •
,such an individual might run the risk of incurring
odium and unpopularity for having adopted such a
resolution, though he might 114% e taken it up merely •
with a view to make Ministers feel, the mitgnitude
of the evils, which, by a' fake and fatal measure,
they had inflided on the country ; which evils, there
was every reason to dread, would every day become
aggravated.' In this view of the question, whoever
acted upon such it:twines, might fairly .be said to liax'e
been influenced by' pure patriotism In taking such a
resolution, and it. in that view only of the' case, in
which conceived t hat such conduct might .have been
snggested by such motives. As to the case of the coach,
'maker, it was pretty_ well understood that trades,
men now shied with reterence,to the present circuny.
stances of flank paper, and when they gave in a bill
they would keep that circumstance in their eye; and
perhaps in the case of the coach-maker the bill would
have been t 201. instead of tool. adding 201. per cent.,
Ito bls bill, in conSequerice of the present supposed
depreciation of Bank 'Paper. Why then was not a
landlard to look on his side for an indemnity against
'any such supposed loss'?
The Lotto CHANCELLOR,- .ip explanation, sup-
posed, tWI in -1801 he nad contracted with his coach.
maker to furnish him with a coach in 181 I, for 1001.
pv..rliiii;s in 1801, gold was to be had for 31. ids. and
in lilt the price was rained to 41. Gs. The coach-
maker' would, nu dotibt, have adverted to this ch.-
Cuinsiance, and justly, had he, (the Lord Chancellor)
'guested gold in payment for rent duei the very day
after the coachtnaker had been paid his bill in Batik
notes. This he observed, to ,hew the unfairness and
injustice of requiring a debt due' to landlord to be
paid in gold coin,' while the hindkird would pay his
own debts, perhaps to the very same tradesman in
Bank notes only., •

Lord LAUDB6DALE and the Loan CHANCELLOR
again Severally explained as to the meaning attached
by them to pare patriotism, ip the manner. they had
employed the term. '
Lord STArtuore in reply,, thanked both sides of.
the House for the lair loterpretatiun which they had
put upon his motion„ and upon the mutise; which
had induced him to bring it iorward. •He could
assure them that they had done hint no more than
justice. His only wish was, to give an opporinnity
to his Majesty's Government of providing against a
feeling, th‘ evil consequences, of which he must sc'
tiously dreaded. The present alarm respecting the
depreciation of Junk: paper arose, like most alarMs,
trout false fears and unwounded prejudices. There
aright soon, perhaps, be no gold in the country ;
and be would say, so much the better. All the
rion,cliiel of the pre.eot moment arose rout talsety
wondering gold as the proper or only ciiculeting
medium., On this subject, he much admired an ob-
aervetion of Sir George Seville's, an_ observation
most just and' philosophical. 11) a CoMersation:po
the stibjed ut. a circulating medium, he recollected
that.good and wise man to hav6 obnerved, that alit
circulating medium was the measure of the relative
valee of things. Fur .eiumple, that Wt, notes
would purchase to that amonot a certain number of
guineas,. a certain number of loaves, or of Opera
tickets, or the travelliog a certain number et miles;
and, that thus the price of every necessary, or en-
joyment, might be regulated by the valueefa Bank
Note. 'lf the same rule did not exjst now, it was
from'rejudice and idle tears—and he would again
repeat; that it was to be wished there were no gold
in the country. As to the measure he bad the ho•!
near of proposing, it was simple. and intelligible,
and applicable to the Circnmstances of the moment,
and it it were not adOpted by Ministers; on them
would iie the responsibilitylor the consequences.
He would content himself with moving, That the
13iil be now received, read, and that it no printed.
Some conversation. here arose between the Noble
Mover and. Lord Liverpool, respecting the day to be
appointed for the second reading attic Bill. Lord
Liverpool wished it to be real a second time to.

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SULL.I•I (aUtS DiCtitti It li T ?

L 0 N 0 N,
rnmly, JuNv.; 23, 1811.

Tbii morning the following account .was received
at ti,oYD's, respeding the action between H. M. S.
Little Belt and the Auferican tripte Ptesident,

The following is an extra& from thi Nova Scoria
Gazette, brought to Falmouth by the Duke of Mon-
.
'rose packet :

On the icith of May the English sloop of war.
Little Felt fell in with, on the coast of,America; the:
President, American frigate', which immediately gave
Chace, and coining up fast,. the Little Belt hove:to,
and, guarding against surprise, the tuna] preparatior6
Were made for .adion; at which time the stars in
the American's pendant were perfedly cisihle, At
about eight' she Came within hail, and' was twice
asked 'from the Little llclt, what ship it was. The
answer to the first inquiry was a repetition of the
qtiestion—to the second, a broadside of rnand and
,grape shot; which was immediately returnell, and
an' anion commenud, which' continued for three~
quarters, of an' hOur„ when the American ceased.
firing, filled her saili, sheered off, and asked the
Little Belt; which just at thattime had also Ceased
firing, what.- ship,,-was told hzr, name, and then
inquired iE she had struck her colours—and 'was
answered in the negative."

• The following is the letter which we received
from our Falmouth Correspondent upon the same
subjed

` " The Duke of Montrose packer arrived this day,
(Jane 25), in .26 days froM Halifax, with Mails and
Dispatches. The Little Belt had arrived there, and
the following appears to be the correct account re-
garding the rencurtre .mith the. American frigate;
About ten o'clock in the morning, the latter Was
perceived by Captain' BINGHAM ; but: not .knowing
what she Was,, he made towards her, and on disco-
veringher to be a frigate, carrying a broad Pendant,
he-striod on, a different tack. About six o'clock in
the evening, he observed the frigate, standing to-
wards him under a heavy press of sail, and about
eight o'clock she was `tio close to' him, that the
stars in her pendant were very visible; and per-
ceiving that it was the intention of the frigate to
take him, he avoided the satne,' Und-at/ the sarite
_moment hailed to know what'ship it was. .No an.
swer being returned, he again hailed, and was:an•
swereclby a foll broadside of round and grape slim.
The aaion then commenced, - atid,contintied fbr
three quarters of at) hour, when both at .orter mo-
ment ceased siring. Captain BIINIGHAM was hailed
by Commodore Itooatts' to know if he had struck,
and informed him, at the same time, that it we's the
American frigate President; and was answered by
Captain BINGHAM In the negative.
!‘ Night coming on, each ship commenced .re-
pairing damaget, 'and on the followipg morning
• Commodore Roaans sent his Lieutenant on board
the Little Belt, stating his regret at the circumstance,
that be did not know she was a vessel Of swat in,
ferior force, and. requesting to conduct her into an
American Port to repair her datnages, which Cant.
B. declined, but no exPlanation for his cowardly con-
duet took place. Capt. BINGHAM, we regret to say,
had t t men killed and 2-2 wounded, . By a Licate-
tenant from New..l6irk, it appears that the &es/•
dent had been dispatched in search of his. Majesty's
ship Cruerriere, which had taken an English seaman
oat
,of an American coasting v,ssel, to demand him,
and in east: of refusal, to conduct the British Moe
into New-York. It is much to be 'regretted that
she did not fall in with that ship, as, Cu that case,
Commodore it., would have told a different tale."

From these accounts a appears that the American
frigate made a wanton and unprovoked attack upon
his Majesty's ship.' If Captain &atlas acted in pur.
nuance of the orders of his Government, it must
be obvious that ,Mr. MADDISON has resolved
upon a war with this Country, and fiud;ng
that the moderation of the British Government
would afford him no plausible pretext for hos-
tilities, lie dirated this wanton ad of aggression to he

committed. We trust, however; that tt.e fats i 4.
not so' and that the American Government will
lose'no time in making reparstion- for thii insult,
In BUONAPARTE'S speech it) tit: Legi%httite 1301 Y%
he says, " America is` making efforti to canse :to
freedom of her 'flag to be respected :
her."—Wirilliis attaCic upon the Britiilt shipof ua
a concerted measure between the
,French and Ame•
rica,
rican GOvernilien ts.? --It is said that Sir Jos, YORKII
!will immediately be dispatched to the Coast of Anted
—l. will second ,
with a' scinadron,-of Which the 1,7,qm., Exa•
burgh, and America, will form part.

.• ''Whether the :differences between Rtrii3 anti
1,,'
France will be .amicably arrarg,ed or not, we
not it present the means of deciding ;
all thebut it ft` 1 '
n'arP!Hl.
obvious MA( liith*Poivet3 are Gkiiig
sary steps' to prepare for a serious contest. Da
marsh of the French troops to th fro G
e ntieri of GU,
land—the recall of the illo3l able ef die Fren
gdrein*
ch •
nerals from the Peninsula—thtiLvilil
eat represcota,
ioldin
tions of SoOLT, and the other French Generals is
g
tbrcernents,. notwithstanding the ur
Spain, are all strong proofs that IitIONAPAKTE
Emperor 4RXANDEIt has shewli,
pected '? war with Russia. On the other load, lig
Opus he has taken, that he did Just think scotest,,
Unlikely :_ the last intrigue he has adopted affords I
decisive -proof that it is from France, rather Oa
from.great Britain that he expects hostiliti,. go
has withdrawn all the crews from his ships of wart
indication. of
and. sent theM to join his army in Polend.''',
S• . by the precie
, 14‘h a .atep at any time. would afford. s strong
the present • circutUstances, it speaks a roost
-approaching host:lities, bur, onjd ,
onegoivocal language. The French Minkier, LAti;
itl.sToN,called upon the RuSsian GOOlllO4 .
it) the most percinproty7Manner :to "CO°
.:
in.ig to be Topeaed iri lb
a is, in odia woo!
Great brig
to make a great naval exertion' against Great
Oin. Now it appears that the Emperor iltills;
"Ddlt, so' far from fitting out his flat /g 1,11..,
thus is not. all,
Great Britain, has completely dish
to
it; vt."
frontiers' of ' Poland, where, if they, 61'111 0
all, it must be against . the French. Slill "
L 03
not undertake to say that a war will be tue i's
To the
he has sent the crevvs to l':
of these differences. We stated a few Jays 4 ,
various' motives which must make both Portiel g:
A ft t io`e'
present rather disinclined to war, 013 u --ul the
. ,
out Readers to draw their own conclusions fofill I-
failrOefirre them.

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p°n 3triving'between the Two fleado, he w..cii tho•
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patch arrived at Lisbon previous to the tisiliog,2eooi:
oh It total anuiltilition. of' those I'ool' bulj;.fee' of
vaelirrtl°liag, at the battle of AlDuer;'''Vlivetjul, saa
i .::' this sPeciel of our force Pi becri . l'olitilii
e!eudy tibt.t.l to the waving of red tia';s 1)(;)1. el it
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the li.ingsi duty at floutolow fiArrilc"8,011011 WO
light dragoons. Th.! /511) mgt. lied ti
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