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London, England, 1845-05-03 00:00:00

TUE SUN, LONDON, SATURDIZ Y MORNING, MAY 3 1845.

future state of the money market, this line will be congructed ;
for if any line can be made to pay, this can.
This closed the evidence against the Bill.
The Committee then adjourned till Monday.

Group E.
NEWCASTLE AND BERWICK LINM

The Committee continued this m;r7iingit; hear fu.►ther evidence
in favour of this line.

Mr. Robert Stephenson (in examination continued from yes.
terday)— Expense of haulage on the main line he calsu!ated to be
5001. a mile per annum, and 300/. a mile on the branch line.
He considered that the expense of locomotive power would be
much more than that of the Newcastle and Berwick line.
The number of trains on the Newcastle and Carlisle
line running daily he could net tell exactly, but he did
think that the passenger trains were very numerous. The ex-
pense of locomotive power was greater in consequence of so many
unfavourable gradients, whereas the gradients on the Newcastle
and Berwick line were favourable. The annual expense of the
proposed line he considered would be about 50,0e0/. per annum.
The expense of locomotive power did not vary in consequence of
an additional power. There was hardly one expense which was
governed by the mileages, not even that of coke, though it came
very near it. He did not know the expense and number of
watchmen required on the line. There ought to be two watch.
men at each crossing of a public road, who would perhaps receive
eighteen shillings a week wages. He contemplated working en-
gines at half the expense of those worked on the London and Bir-
mingham line, being able to procure coke at a much less expense
than they were able to procure it on the Birmingham line. A com-
bination of management on the Newcastle and Darlington and
Newcastle and Berwick lines was intended, which would be in his
opinion productive of benefit to the public in the/eduction of the
conveyance of goods.

CHAIRMAN—How could it benefit the public?
Witness—The original conveyance was very imperfect, but now
the gocds would pass through without any inconvenience; it would
not only produce economy, but also dispatch.
Mr. Dodson was then examined—ls an engineer. Was of opi-
nion that the character of the buildings •eer which the projected
line would pass i❑ Newcastle were of an inferior. lind. It passed
but small houses and small manufactories. lite contemplated
erecting a bridge on the Newcastle and Carlisle brae, which would
cost 75,000/.

Cross-examined by Mr. ALEXANDER —The bridge would be
about 100 feet longer than that projected by Bir. Stephenson.
The passing of the viaduct would not be of great inconvenience
to the inhabitants of Newcastle, inasmuch as it vrould ;not pass
any of the streets in which the principal traffic of the town
was carried on. He projected the bridge for the Newcastle
and Carlisle Railway two years ago, about two hundred yards
above Mr. Stephenson's bridge. _ _

To the CHAIRMAN—The bridge proposed by Nx. Stephenson
was the one most acceptable to the people of Newcastle.
Mr. Robert Wallace examined—ls town-surveyor of New.
castle. He was of opinion that the passing of the
projected line through the town was unobjectionable. It would
pass only one street of any importance. The inhabitants preferred
one bridge for the railway and traffic purposes to two bridges—one
for each purpose.
Cross-examined by Mr. ALEXANDER—His reason for thinking
so was, that the town council were unanimously of that opmion.
The CHAIRMAN said that they had beard enough to enable them
to make up their minds as to the benefits which would be derived by
Newcastle.
Mr. AUSTIN—WeII, my Lord, it is our intention not to eall any
more witnesses on that matter.
Mr. ALEXANDER said he had not heard a word as to the value
of the land that was to be crossed.
Mr. AUSTIN—If you do not admit the value proved we will
call witnesses, and you will be forcing them on the Committee.
Mr. ALEXANDER—We dispute, then, the estimates of the value
of the land. .

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Mr. Brown, a surgeon at Newcastle, was then examined as to the
value of land on the line. The valuation of land on the main line
from Newcastle to Berwick, including the value of lands and houses,
and tenants' damages, was 87,2021. The Alnwick branch was
valued at 5,6241., the Kelso branch, 36,5751., the Blyth branch,
5,2001., making a gross aggregate of 134,601/.
Cross. examined by Mr. ALEXANDER—That valuation did not in-
clude any of the house value in Newcastle. The number of acres
that would be required for the main line would amount to 800,
779 acres for the line, and 21 for stations, which was valued at
87,2021.
Mr. Nicholson, on his examination, stated that he valued the
house property at Newcastle through which the projected line
would pass at 102,6371. 65., and believed it to be a very reasonable
valuation.
Cross examined—The average width of the line through the
town was 32 feet. The number of houses to be destroyed or injured
by deterioration were 120 in Newcastle, and 12 in Gateshead.
He would not separate the value of deterioration from the value of
those houses that were destroyed.
Mr. AUSTIN said that, with reference to the traffic tables, he
supposed they might be put in when the Committee came to con.
sider the answer they would give to the resolutions.
Mr. ALEXANDER opposed this plan, and said that he wished to
understand the method on which the traffic tables on the other side
had been prepared.
A discussion then took place, and the Committee said it was their
desire to have the tables.
Mr. AUSTIN wished to know in what way they would have them

put in.
Mr. ALEXANDER said that he had no right to call :on the Corn.
mittee to express any opinion with respect to that,
The Noble CHAIRMAN said that it was his impression that the
local traffic tables only need be gone into, as it had been agreed
that there was sufficient through traffic to justify the formation of
come railway
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discussion
district.tthe
roo m was cleared, for the first e
since this question came before them, and on our return
The Noble CHAIRMAN stated that they had come to the conclu-
sion that the traffic-tables should be laid before them by the pro-
moters of the Newcastle and Berwick line before counsel closed
the case in support of the preamble.
Mr. TEMPLE wished to bring the attention of the Committee to
the Newcastle and North Shields Railway.
The Noble CHAIRMAN said that the Committee considered that
in taking the Newcastle and North Shields line they should take
the whole of the line ; and as far as the Northumberland Railway
Company is concerned, their cross-examination would be only
allowed on that part which had connexion with it.
Mr. Nicolson was then examined with respect to the Newcastle
and North Shields Railway. His estimate as to the expense of the
branch to the quay at Newcastle was 13,7411., and with respect
to the extension to Tynemouth his estimate was 35,3501
Mr. ALEXANDER rose to cross-examine the witness, but was in.
terrupted by
Mr. TEMPLE, who objected to his Learned Friend cross.examin.
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ing the witness, as he had not a petition against this line.
The Committee were of opinion that as far as the quay at New.
castle was concerned, the Northumberland line, foe which Mr. Alex-
ander appeared, was a competing line, and he could cross-examine
respecting that.
Mr. ALEXANDER argued that he could cross-examine the witness
with respect to the whole line.
The room was then cleared, and on our re-admission,
The CHAIRMAN said that it was the opinion of the Committee
that the cross-examination might be proceeded with throughout the
whole line.

Mr. TEMPLE was desirous, in that case, that the Group E Com-
mittee should postpone it till Monday, as it was not contemplated
by his instructors that the line to North Shields would be op-
posed.
He wished also to be allowed to amend his tables, if ne-
cessary, before that day, and not to be bound by the tables of the
last witness.—The Committee consented.
Mr. ALEXANDER proceeded to cross.examine the witness as to
the tables which the witness had handed in, reserving to himself
the right of cross-examining also as to the amended tables, and
shortly afterwards the Committee adjourned.

Group X.
The Committee to whom this group was referred assembled again
at twelve o'clock. Present—Lord Courtenay, Chairman; Mr.
Darby, Mr. P. Scrope, Mr. M'Geachy, and Mr. B. Wall.
T
LONDON AND YORK RAILWAY.
Rev. J. Faithful, of
Hatfield, was called, and examined by
Mr. Sergeant KINGLAKE—He stated that the
poor in the neigh.
bourhood suffered severely in consequence of the dearness and
scarcity of coal. This had an unfavourable effect on the morals of
the people, inasmuch as it prevented them from remaining at
home. A railway between Hatfield and London would be of great
advantage.
This witness was cross-examined, but nothing material was
elicited.
Mr. Anson, a miller at Hitchin, stated that he had for many
years ceased sending flour to London. This was in consequence •f
the expense of conveyance. If a railway was made he would send
flour to London again. In that case he would produce more flour,
as he believed would the other millers. In his neighbourhood
they had a considerable quantity of water power, which was at
present useless. Witness had no connexion with the London and
York Railway.
Mr. TisLaor—You are a man of sense, Sir.—(Laughter.) He
would prefer the London and York line to the Hertford and Ware
line. The one would be eight miles shorter than the other.
The witness was subjected to a long cross-examination, in the
course of which he admitted that the millers of Hitchin were
opposed to a line to Hertford and Ware inasmuch as at these two
places there were several millers.
The Committee were occupied the whole of the afternoon in
hearing evidence of a similar nature to that which was taken this
morning.
At four o'clock the Committee adjourned to Monday.
The case of the London and York scheme is likely to last a
fortnight longer.

Sub. Committee No. IL
This Committee assembled this morning, present Mr. Aglienby
(Chairman), Mr. T. Egerton, Mr. E. Buller, Mr. Thornely, Captain
Jones, and Mr. Aldam.
The Committee commenced their proceedings by calling on the
adjourned case of
THE EASTERN UNION AND HARWICH RAILWAY