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London, England, 1845-03-01 00:00:00

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Istt:oeuxseereoisueedlitwtioth
suiteirmse and prevent that power from.
and t;rannv.—(Ticar, hear.) If
:•e Postmaster had done rightly in interrupting the letters of
eereilon. humbug for Finshurv, that ought to hi. show.", and
e.,uld be no reascn for oppu-ing the inquiry.—( Hear,
'ar.) Re had heard with regret—he
kvould not say with
;gpur",,
House
personal attacks made upon the Hon. Member
"a i.nwurr• The and the public knew what those
Irauks were worth and he would now content himself with
oning the motion.— (Cheers. )
o.°J,d LINCOLN should not have thought it necessary to
ad taken
the Rouse, after the very temperate explanation which
:rettht:eel:t4arnlaCe lA. the course of the evening, if it had not bees'
given to the discu9ion by the lion and Learno I
td be__ who had just sat down. A great. deal of bad feeltnz
louse, Hated out of doors by exaggerated statements in the.
or, a' deprecated the personal character the debate was
rp Timing* They had been told that that was no question
21,r,.':"ege, but that the Hon. Member for Finsbury had a
t'ete`elrod4nlaud.an explanation in order to clear his own cha-
t,, Member m the imputation; whieh had been cast upon it.
' for Cockermouth (Mr. Aglionby) and other
04' 4l char It
tlerabers again said that this was not a. question of indivi-
acter as it ought to be one of privilege, and that it
m t° be inquired into as such.
Th AGLIONBY—I never said so.
toe.es.Earl of LINCOLN—It had been asked of the Right
L__..aaronet whether he had issued a warrant or not ? He
r 7 Lincoln) could not conceive of any more unfair way of
:'•ol'48 at a conclusion than that of asking the Right Hon.
let such question. There was a paragraph in that re- 47, that the secrecy of riv •to correspondence had not been
14404.,414.,e.Pting under aP warrant, and therefore the case of
tier ig• Member fell to the ground. He would not then
stetinto the general question of the rowers conferred by
,trr °lt the Secretary of State ; but he was justified in the
Silt
of the
ease he hid previously entertained by the argu-
')itie by h Solicitor-General. He hoped that they would
7d
at Y the decision of the Secret Committee, and so put an
itely, once to those acrimonious feelings which then, unfortu-
llir, wet
but too frequent on either side of the House.
e"t"'AVIS explained. He had riot made the slightest
';eltal allusion to the Right Hon. Baronet. He had found
vPisrailiee in his office and he had acted upon it. He (Mr.
iir,,,,"ad not had the slightest wish to wound the feelings of
Alr°l4't 11°o• Baronet.slightest wish to wound the feelings of
Raronet
NAL said, that though he must allow a pre-
ernb"'n technical argument to the Noble L trd_ the
or Loudon, he must still maintain that the opdcerst
°ee, in opening and detaining letters without
4.latea tVeq_ tvarrint from the Sea-etary of State, hat
olittne P ivileges of that. House. The question was open
ache ntarY discussion, and they were bound to en,trehre-
' I°°tion ef the Hon. Member for Fisbury. .
,Masaoer for Finsbury had stated that het fully believed
help letters of his had been opened, and here he cHooun,
~thel'ellierring to the exclamations of some of the .
iv "ao h s t Committee. Otte
Ant ad sat upon the Secret
4 not -
"ea
riletled the Hon. Member for Kendal said), "
1,;141 4
t"e and another said, " I did intend that."
•••elt 0.2° °f those who was unwilling to believe thrt
leitterfAira'!„"ly stated ; but here there had been nothing
Friend had complained that his letters had
:t; pi opened. —ll,;t Let them see whether they had been opened or
'
aim.moment he did not believe any admission had
41 and he saw nothing in the report to warrant the
trt there ws -ueh. If they had thought it
ight at'ir While tO sstate' their case of the Italians., they
'tete ilv.,e4sily have referred to the care of the Hon. Member.
slier ma' niothin fallen from the Right Hon Baronet or the
te„, -reinuers on g that side to lead him to he.icve that the
ettfoZ: ithe Hon. Member had been opened or not, an,
ue said that the Noble Lord the Member for London's
°jbPr'"f " degradation" was quite conclusive. The Hon.
Ltos ; 4Presented a large constituency, and thehad ever
,0
en, uctieve that the decision of that Secret Committee,glsitconstituency.atisfactory to that constituency. Why should not the
tert olf4t,'!• Baronet at once admit that it was so, that the
'altar a Hon. Member for Finsbury had been opened by
ittisol"tons and by his aut ,ority, and that that course 7
oat "1,lato? or why should he not say, " I know nothing
.
rth`i,,!. have issued no warrant for opening any of his lets
ken that would be perfectly satisfactor. e
atmosphereshould like
14stle7 what there vras in the . that sue.-
lair ;the Secretary of State that should binder their
of this question? He would ask him, incerely.
`lt bepadidy. what it was that surrounded him, and
s'el,;ejeuted him responding to that inquiry ? nHa,
liten-" manY rnore important things, and why no! thdis
tetioned that the Right Hon. Baronet hadcommitte an
Partrof his duties if he had done anything that so solemn
,d aPPeal 'would not compel him to disclose. T e
'en en,4,`" either said too much or too little. Jt ought to have
h
"ire„,-"rely silent, or to have disclosed all. H? tasked
thete
101114,teent whether that responsibility rested entirely
die. '„of,_ the Rigkt Hon. Baronet, or whether they shouldon
n
'en. tne odium among them ?He trusted that the Right
rkenet woad p t n end to the discussion, by at once
eeb-o.ether the allegations a ainst him were true or not.
said that theyg ought to feel a debt of gra-
°mtpl jet. Rigl t B ronet, for his suppression of the
."2, when thousands and tens of thousands were out
404°Ylent, and roaming idly over the country. The Hon.
'Nth; for Finsbury had, during those troubled times, pre-
t, siVions from bodies of Chartists, and he was of opinion
stheo't.at time, he was more or less connected with them.
totieg'lnt tike Right Hon. Baronet, in issuing these warrants,
tiv"Atiutrting more than his duty.
h ''''LEY said the lion. Ale:fiber who had just sat
'et 14 .tvsg that he considered that the Right Hon..
bl- d°l3e nothing more than his duty. He
likebelieved the
' the Zber
to ,
was a gallant officer, and he should
,c,aldd,i'me in which the Hon. Member was engaged, ho viii
he
," not tejlnine whether a man had done his duty o; not,
ear.)
' he] complained of was this. The Right Hon.
aat h Slot let them know what he had done.
.The
Gentleman had relieved this question in a
VI Ter am its personal difficulties. The Right Hon.
it „',41 Cad Made a strong and honourable avowal that
o 1 th..l come to his knowledge, whether he had
leago„ etters or not, which injured his Honourable
.I%;at oa, or tainted his honour or character as a gentleman,
4,oltieet.4l.,was satisfactory so far as the yersonal question
the -lle'i----satisfactory to his Hon. Codeague—satisfta.c.-
? t—h °use 'satisfactory to the constituency, and sa is
tuh
But the public question—the great
1-14,7 thatuopsuntroy. 1 declaration was in his opinion left
,43 -`1: It remrsainnaed reciselv where it was. It was in
0,1'4eP4(.4. altered in characterP
by that admission on therart
;4eedight Hon. Gentleman. His Hon. Colleague had
Ilanll
eth, the subject in a most lucid and exceedinglyfathe
ANis 441 he was delighted to hear the Noble. Lord of e
tli and restspo Honourable
commend the speech of his
~,(4111.tlevir. nNoble Lori said he was pleased with it, an
fse.o,,esb„, en hoped he had derived pleasure from other
ah
T.on that side of„ the. House. The reply to the
tz non. Colleague was
_made by the Right Hon.
~ue Secretary of State for the
.Home Department.
•-serehi rem v A
tiltle..-CPititi'c'art,t4 .thatrs. )aPime oofuldsPenuolatlheillpeardeimugarkiingwatos
Hon.atOs He
earuonet had been brought up to
t4ti,"t havegreached an extraordinary eminenice in
etc
§o'"ereZ_lLaughler.) It was an exceedingly ab e site h,
teoß. oateeZ a declaration in that speech which struck him as
0rk,(3e4t,„40Y peculiar. It was ma e while. tdheinßitghhist
qt,-,4ti0n"%,r40 ova" considering what had trapspire
ati„etrtt,,h. he Right Hon. Gentleman, when he came to
14`'etly,t''alch occurred on the 2d, 16th, and 18th of July,
ted that his Hon. Colleague, when he brought the
e ee 4 4 4,lte House in the first instance, declaredinthet
Sate ,;_ltat House that his letters had been opened —t ha
tie& 444 t statement on the 16th and 18th o, July.
ti: WA;,
411,SitI—No ; on the 2d and 18th
'eta°ll4Yea4lLEY continued—Then the Right Hon. Baro-
le. !Ned -p that
hisssttemery. by saying what ?—That he finl
o...qotttp.„---that case had been heard before tiro
-71,,thjo:4_ticirthat before the Committee he had stated
til'`eloti of h'isr.Hhingcthallt hade transpired
. with respect to the
, that by the Committee the
:title„,alek had beeenn.heea Colleague
And," said the Right lion.
tr'n by this CorMmittee lam honour acq.uitted."
54,1444.49111,GotIleague—had they
.acquitted him? His lion.
tl ueen put upon his trial, and. why had the
Viou -11 acquitted him? Now, he considered that the
woich the Right Hon. Gentleman had made
ie
i,,..edilli,eBPeet had changed the character of tbi
Ctla4,4); a great extent. The Right Hon. Gentleman, y
"Ih --"°n, had thrown the responsibility in a grea.t mea-
-14.1 ori • ~
441) °use, ~,g'nsoy rested upon him, upon the Committee ittee of
u3mlemmber for
Id 441 en:lOW observe, the Hou. Gentleman
Ora 4tt opine in his place in Parliament, that his letters
• lartatterrled, and the Right Hon. Baronet stated that the
*ttle4ir-cticu:s.loenced their inquiry with a full knowledge of
*ht fore lances. The Right Hon. Baronet
.said, " I
• 43e...44 r le Committee and stated everything without
zaretptriction" Thu the admission of the Right
at
tractse,httaronet
, he !situanted all that transpired with
%11°Pening of letters, and of course, in mai,,g
raittoe the allegationßutt the
of his Hon. Colleague.. dheard'th the
sffkile ' 4od having heard everything connecte
!cll,;°ltlie,ltot one word of reference was made in the
11114, `44nroittee relating to the accusation of his Hon.
444.0 a. 41thou
gh the Right Hon. Baronet had acquttted
as‘ti% *M in the face of the country, through the
h'klotki„.'elt the Right Hon. Gentleman had made, he
e0,,-,sed that he would stand condemned in the eyes
tt:ol,,l'ad 442_ by the Committee of that House.—( Hear,
IS fent 0,, "r.) Could the Alembers of that House
'itt ;LI this pUblic grounds to allow an Hon. Member to re-
'4%6 I),lsition through the conduct of a Secret Comd-
'at/11°,41k "onse ? He said, then, the Committee had acte ,
.o.o:tube lit roost unfairly with his Hon. Colleague,. and. tt,
1' kw; useful lesson to them never to confide their prtvi-
-Bht 1/1,4 the nr„ty secret tribunal of that House, whatever
L's.rx tie the-erh'it4uut, whatever might be the ability, or whatever
-rktit:tp, he racter of the individuals who might compdost....
Nrs Itg°, thetry) He considered, in consequence of the e
'oty 'h inight Hon. Gentleman, it was necessary that
remo..4utd transpire. The case could not by any poss..
the:ls where it was—(Hear, hear)—and he
wonld accede to the motion of his Hon.
rettea- th et4nliel the parties at the Post-office to come to
adek, e lette
t t H°1144, and- state by whose authority they had
itt ted r 4 f his Hon. Colleague. If this course were
ttese,:lks,.., would be disregarding their own privileges,
:4,4 their own privileges they disregarded the
~;44‘1•44 for- I)4,°Ple, because the privileges were originally
''`atle litter", tue benefit of individual Members, but for the
had 'lithe community at large. If the Right Hon.
'nut
.iiasued warrants for the opening of these
7tera. 14 the ;I" acted, as the Right Hon. Gentleman said
.-eatieUt
the'rsrlsaction where was the difficulty of making a
'.,4114itu, llousc to that effect ?If the Right Hon.
sit► 4 tlikt ,oPened letters without warrants, he could only
'tato? forth tue Right Ron• Gentleman would be an enemy
.o,i„ tie th.s er .
This ou bt to induce the House to
444°44(u'ri 4'ilt.i"te(l:l'irYll. is Hon. Colleague stood in a different
Letototie efo,e la brt)re the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet,
`Nti questio'ku inquiry ought to be had Although the
islo...as_finished, between the Right Hon. Gen-
(100. „Mum ,_ triend, still the House, in his opinion,
eriend,o institute a public investigation. H.e.hoped
alat,„,bed eo viould not relax in his exertions until it was
WeraeretikY distinctly whether the law had been
tt, s 'tear.)
itst4Thee fo7 d one part of the speech of the Noble Lard
kin'
unity of London he had heard with peculiar
he Ghat ersto•Ottr h '4 the Noble Lord distinctly to
dotl4oaerit
.c differed with the course which
estiov.4,Pos, :tact taken respecting the opening of letters
' Promoting their interests fur other
.than
Of ee (fght
ist the , yet
in the case of M. Mazzini, he
the esen, exPlanation which had been given on the part
en'ter°ceedi'eut--vis., that the f rmed no part whatever
d'aleot °Ri of the refugeest the measures ot the
,let,ifee,,larger "'fit nut, liavtt ainvolved 'the refugees in
hot r a.,,Y 444 an that
therefore, the explanation was
givtxpro,lotirelY satisfactory. He regretted greatly to
114' get °Ped sthrl (-4 the Noble- Lord en a former occasion,
thte ,5t.; eziilanation which had been given would
ti en to
No art of that discussion could
t,,;eotoh;ieft el .14' or his colleaPg e pain than that there
w',l,ltession on the minds °idle House that. they
ttk-"ey 3!l'hpr,,ic,anY other Power for the purpose of eneou-
-111, tee!,, pro'
been the success of which was most improbable
!lie "roe taeir e !,t PaitY L. any of the proceedings of the
ad et Public would would hare rendered them liable to
p.„l7ley speete, indeasure. He would say further, if
‘l's4ll'nt hut" itth9 Proceedings were likely to take place—
tholt,tu from nt their power by means of warning, to
maty, as _ ring danger, he thought it would have
"letzten and as Christians, to have given