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London, England, 1829-05-28 00:00:00

ANATOMY.

The Earl ofMALMESßUßY'presenteda petition
from an individual in Northampton, against the Bill
for regulating Dissection) and particularly against
that clause of the Bill which provided that the
bodies of all persons dying in workhouses might be
liven for dissection, if they were not chimed. The
Noble Earl stated, that he was sorry that the Bill
was brought up this year; and if it were not
amended, he should find it necessary to oppoe it.
He objected particularly to the clause he had already
referred to, and to that clause authorising the keepers
rof prisons to dispose of the bodies of debtors who
die in gaols, unless they are claimed by their friends.
lie hoped the Bill would yet be postponed ; and if
some measure not containing the objectionable
clauses he had mentioned should hereafter be brought
forward, it should have the support of leA Vote.
Several Private Bills were fomr.rded one stage.

The Exchequer Bills' and the Na!ional Debi
Bill, went through a Oattnittee, and were reporter'
without Zinend:rents.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-..(LAST NIGHT.)

Mr. BURRELL presented a petition from the
2ork ma3ters and v%-001 growers of certain Hun-
bireds in Sussex, praying for protection cn British
wool,

:Mr. PORTMAN regretted that the Chancellor
et the Exchequer or the President of the Board of

Trade was not present, in order to state what was
ere intention of the Government with regard to this
subject. He did ►►ot a►.ticipate that there would

be any duty imposed on foreign wool; but as
there were some people who vet expected such a
measure, it would be as well fur all parties, but
especially for the wool-growers, to let them know
at once that all attempts to impose a duty on foreign
Nrim)l would be resisted by the Government.
Mr. HERRIES was sorry that his colleagues
Isere not at that moment in the lioNse, but he felt
himself authorised to say that he believed the lion.
_ .

Member had, taken a very correct vier of the sul

ject when *e suggested that he had understood that
the C'rvernment were indisposed to adopt any
7:ew ineasu-fe on this subject ; and that intention
ltein;fl(l'.ipted, it certainly was proper that it should
he frtnown.

Lord MILTON was gratified at hearinn. this
statement of the intention from the Rigit lion.
Gentleman, but he should have been better satisfied
with the answer if it had been more decisively given.
He hoped the President of the Board of Trade would
distinctly state that, under no circumstances, would
any alteration be made.
Sir J. SHELLEY presented petitions from two
places in Sussex, on the same subject.
Mr. MOORE presented a petition from the
Chamber of Commerce, in- the city of Dublin, on
the subject of the opening the Trade to the East
Indies and China.

Mr. W. PEEL presented a petition from the
Emigration Society of Glasgow, praying for a Grant
of Land in Canada for thirty families.
The LORD ADVOCATE brought up the Re-
port on the Scotch Gaol Enlargement Bill, and
übs‘",...ed that in consequence of the opposition made
this Bill, ha should withdraw it for this Session;
but he pledged himself to bring it forward next Ses-
sion, with those alterations which a further conside-
rittion might suggest. It was absolutely necessary
to have better gaols than at preset.t existed, with a
view not only to the accommodation of the pd-
sorters, but to their correction also.
Mr. MAXWELL had great objections to this
Bill, anti he knew that great objections existed to it
in Scotland. He 0-listed that some measure would,
next Session, be introduced respect;ng the Law of
Arrest for Small Debts.

Mr. C. FERGUS-4)N also of to the Bill.

Mr: 1-lUME said that the Burgh= he represented
objected to some parts of the Bill, but concurred
with its object. They feared that they should be
coilled on to maintain both their own and the county
gaol, and this they did not like.
Mr. KENNEDY's objection to the Bill was that
it-did not go far enough. The Bill certainly Iva*
necessary, although perhaps its object might be
better obtained by some amendments.
Mr. R. GRANT approved of the course which
fie Hon, and Learned Gentleman had pursued hi
withdrawing the bill, and hoped that some effectual
tmeasotre would be brought forward next session, not
on the responsibility of any individual Minister, but
that it would receive the support of the whole of
Ili.; Majesty's Government.
Mr. PELL thought it was a capital blot on Scot-
land not to have gaols lit for the accommodation or
the due correction of the prisoners convicted in her
Courts. The Royal Burghs were formerly liable to
the maintenance of .the gaols; but the country had
now outgrown that old custom, and it became neees•
sarv, by compulsory measures, to determine the
Ileums and liabilities of the respective counties. He
trusted, that when the question shoukt be brought
on next Session, the Scotch Members would con-
sider the Bil! on general principles, and not on the
particular circumstances of the burghs or the coun-
ties they might represent, and would adopt a mea-
sure tvhich experience proved to be necessary.
- The Load Revenue Bill, the Charing-cross Im-
provements' Bill, and the Customs Duties' Bill,
were all appointed for to-morrow.
SUB-LETTING ACT. .

Mr. S. RICE presented petitions against the Sub-
letting Act, from Butlers town, and several other
places in Ireland.
COURTS OF MADRAS.

Mr. S. RICE brought in a Bill fur the Relief of
Suitors in the Courts of Madras, and relating to the
property of persons dying intestate.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH wished to know en what
slay it would be convenient to take the only dis-
elusion this Bill was likely to receive this Session
. Mr. PEEL named Monday.
The Bill was then read a first time, and the
second reading fixed for Alonday.
PORTUGAL.

-Mr. PEEL requested the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman opposite (Sir. J. Mackintosh) to postpone
his motion, which stood for to-morrow, until a future
day. He apprehended that it might be fixed for
Monday or Tuesday without inconvenience.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH replied that loth as he
was to defer again a matter already so often post-
poned, yet ho was aware that there might be rea-
sons which would render it improper for him to re-
sist the application of the Right Hon. Gentleman.
He wished that the discussion should take place on
Monday, as on Tuesday it would be rather incon-
venient for him to attend.
Mr. PEEL remarked that Monday was an Order
Tiny, and that there were many Bills which must be
forwarded in their stages ; he believed, however,
that the business might all be disposed of before
eight o'clock, and then the motion of the Right
Hon. Gentleman might be brought on.
"SirJ.MACKINTOSH added that he should con-
sent to take Monday, if his motion were nut post-
poned later than seven o'clock.
This suggestion was assented to by Mr. PEEL,
and the motion was entered accordingly.
SCOTCH TAILZIES.

Mr. C. GRANT presented a petition from Inver-
TIM, in favour of the alteration in the Scotch law of
Entail. Also a petition from a place in Ross-shire,
for continuing the bounty on herrings.
Mr. W. SMITH protested against a needless ad-
herence to the system of bounty.
Sir T. DUNCOMBE presented a peti 'on frcm
ilertford, for the Repeal of the Corn Laws.
SCOTCH GAOLS.

Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Cot

poration of Brechin, against the Scotch Gaols' Bill.
The Hon. Member said that he was not disposed to

resist the modified measure of the Lord Advocafe:

Mr. P. GRANT presented petition with the
same prayer from the Burgh 'of Forres:
PIZINTEb CALICO.
Mr. HUME miovedi diet tie e be laid before the
Rouse en Account of the Total Amount of Printed.
Calico unmufactured in England in the yeass 1826,
1827, and 1828; of the duty paid upon it ; of the
Number of Yards e:tnorted; of the Net Amoi.int cf
nuiy paid into the Exchequer; and of the
Charges of Collection of that Duty.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
consented to the producticn of the documents,
and recommended that all argument en the sub-
ject should lre postponed until the information were

before the Housc,
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN wished that the
official value of the printed calico should be added
to the accounts. He objected to nibbling at parti-
cular taxes, and wished the whole taxation of the
country to be examined and reduced. He trusted

that ltis Majesty's Ministers would, (hiring the inter-
val between this and t! :t. next Session, apply them-
eives to thr: consideration of the distreised state
of tte country, and come prepared with some plate
of relief.

The motion was agreed to.
CONDUCT OF MR. N.l 11.
Colonel DAVP3S said, that as he felt that he
perferreed a disagreeable duty on a recent occa-
sion, when he went at some length into the charges
which he had brought against Mr. Nash, he would
that evening confine himself simply to. move, " That
a. Select Committee be appointed to inquire into
the conduct of Mr. Nast, so far as regarded the
granting of leases, or the sale of Crown Lands in
Suffolk-street, Pall Mail East, in Regent-street,
and adjoining the Regent's Canal."
Mr. HUME suggested, that the Committee
shouldgo into the whole subject. An extensive
inquiry was desirable, especially into the arrange-
ments respecting the site of Carbon House.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY was glad that a Committee
was to he appointed ; and he trusted there would
be the closest and strictest investigation. At the
same time, be must say, that his Hon. Friend (Col.
Davies) had lent the sanction of his name to reports
against Mr. Nash, without previous inquiry into them.
(Hear.)—Ile believed, for his own part, there was
not the slightest foundation for any suspicion of
fraud or collusion between Mr. Nash and the gentle-
man to whom allusion had been made. He would
have _re .t pleasure in seeing justice done to that
gentleman's character, and also the character of the
individual which had been thrown under an imputa-
tion the most unjust and the most undeserved.—
lie (Sir M. W. Ridley) bad a petition in hie pos-
session from Mr. Nash, preying that there might be
a fall investigation of his conduct ; but as he knew
it was not right or in unison with the rules of the
House that it should be presented, he felt it his
duty to state, that it was Mr. Nee wish that the
charge; against him should be investigated tho-
roughly, and in every article as to which charges
were brought against him. He (Sir M. W. Ridiev)
saw no reason why the power cf the Committee
should not go to a gt eater extent, and he would make
a motion that it should not be limited to certain ar-
ticles merely, if it were not that the period of
the Session were not so short that now there was
not time sufficient to hear evidence, anel make a
Report that would clear Mr. Nash's character in
the eyes of the public. Ile should, therefore, sup-
port the motion of his Hon. Friend, which confined
the inquiry to certain charges.
Mr. JONES begged the House to remember
that there was another individual connected with
this transaction ; and be would state that, in his opi-
nion, Mr. Edwards had a right also to have his con-
duct investigated. Mr. Edwards had once had the
honour of a seat in that House as the representative
of a county—one of the wealthiest in minerals, Gla.
morganshire ; and as there had been in that House
an attack on his character, which had gone forth
through the public press, and covered him with a
great deal of obloquy, he thought Mr. Edwards should
have an opportunity of setting himself right. The
Hon. Member for Worcester must regret that he had
not referred to Mr. Edwards before he made the
attack upon him the other night; for if the Hon.
Member had given that gentleman notice, the reply
would have been stated at the same time that the
charge was made, and both would have gone before
the public together. As it was, the charge was
made, comments upon it published, and as yet there
was no opportunity for the individual attacked to be
heard. He could not account for the Hon. Member's
conduct by supposing it to have arisen through in-
advertence. His own friends had admitted that no-
tice should have been given ; and the Hon. Member
for Preston (Mr. J. Wood) had stated his belief that
notice had been given ehen he seconded the motion
of the Hon. .Member for Worcester. As far as re-
garded his friend, Mr. Edwards, he would ask that
Hon. Gent. in what sense be intended the phrase of
" man of straw," as applied to him, to be under-
stood ? Was it only with reference to that trtmnsac-
thin, meaning that Mr. Edwards was not a bona fide
holder of the lease ? or did he explain it in the sense
cf his individual capacity ?
Colonel DAVIES said, across the table, certainly
not ; I spoke only with refers nee to the transaction.
Mr. JONES continued—The Hon. Gentleman
had denied that he applied that phrase to Mr.
Edwards in 11;e individual capacity, and he must
suppose that the Hon. Gentleman did not mean it
so. But the lion. Gentleman should recollect that
the words had gone forth to the public, who would
understand that they meant that that Gentleman
was not a man of substance. The Hon. Gentle-
man had said, that he brought forward his charge on
authority not to be doubted ; but he added, that be
would not reveal the name of the party. Then it
was the duty of the Hon. Gentleman to see the
more closely into it, and to sift it to the bottom.
Ile should have seen both Mr. Nash and Mr.
Edwards, and if he found that the person from
wham lie received his information would not give
his name, the more caution was necessary in bring-
ing forward the charges. He (Mr. Jones) rejoiced
that the Committee was appointed to investigate
the conduct of both these Gentlemen. He could
tell the Hon. Member for Wotcester, that he him-
self, as well as the Hot). Member for Newcastle,
knees something-or the 'tranSaCtion, and that Mr.
Nash's character stood fully as high as that of the
Hon. Member for Worcester himself, and Mr.
Edwards's also. Ile would not have brought the
charges furs: and in the absence of that Hon. Gentle-
man, or without giving him due notice and ample
opportunity to defend himself.—(hear.)
Mr. Secretary PEEL felt himself bound to sug-
gest, that as his Right Hon. Friend had not offered
any objection to the motion whether it was expe-
dient, by continuing the debate, to run the risk or
appearance of prejudging the inquiry. This was due
to Mr. Nash-s--that it should be borne in mind that
he had pursued the only course which a person con-
scious of his innocence and integrity could follow ;
he had challenged the fullest inquiry into his conduct. 1
Whatever might be the fate of the Committee, if
the lateness of the Session should not enable them
to make such an inquiry us would be satisfactory to
time vindication of his character, Mr. Nash would
still be in the situation of a man of clear integrity,
because he had taken the part which a man of pure
and honourable motives would have pursued. If
the close of the Session should prevent the inquiry
from being completed, let it be remembered that Mr.
Nash was entitled to the good opinion of the House
from the course he had taken. The only objection
Mr. Nash felt was that the inquiry would not be full
enough ; he wished to have an inquiry into every
' transaction in which he had been concerned. Under
these circumstances he would not say one word to
prejudge the inquiry; but it %vas only right to say,
that' Mr. Nash was entitled to the full presumption
of being innocent.
Mr. HUSKISSON had only one word to say
with reference to what had fallen from the Hon.
(;eetleman who had spoken last but one. The Hon.
Member for Worcester had observed on a former

night that he had his information on undoubted
htitherity, but that he was not at liberty to name his
informant. If the ComMittee were granted, all. he
(Mr. Huskisson) ihotild Pray Was, that the infOr:
at• *ell as the party, might be brought both
fairly before the House, and that there would be no
attempt to evade the detection of the informant by
the charm .bf secrecy, while the other party was
dragged before the COmMittee to bceiainined.
.He
would tell
,the Hon. Membir fpr Woretater, that
when the Committee was named, that anonyinous
informant should appear.—(Hear.)
Sir CHARLES BURRELL approved of the in-
quiry through the medium of a Committee. He
hoped, too, that the inquiry would be carried into all
those points to which allusion had been made in the
debates on this subject. He world not narrow it to
the fell' points stated in the motion. They-ought
to inquire generally whether Mr. Nash was to blame
or not: This was thtir duty in a transaction like
this, at a time when there %vas such a pressure et dis:,
tress on all classes Of the people. It was right that
a Palace should be built, fitted for the King to re-
side in, and not one of scandalous taste ; but it was
equally incumbent on the House of Commons to see
that economy was practised in all departments of the
public expenditure. When be said " scandalous
taste," he meant to apply it to the new Palace at
Pimlico? which was Cull of the greatest mistakes and
blunders that any architect had ever committed. Did
not every body who saw it exclaim, " God bless
me, how ugly it looks :—(Laughter.)—He did think
the power of inquiry should extend to the per centa,e.
(Hear.)—Mr. Nash had admitted that he made the
great blunder as to the de gee by his own omission.
(Cries of no, no.)—Mr. Nash said—" I was quite
surprised to see it look so cteeedingly ill."—
(Cheers.)—So that Mr. Nash made an error, as he
himself admitted ; and he (Sir C. Burrell) contended
that Mr. Nash ought not to benefit by his own er-
rors. That he considered was only asking for an act
of justice to the public ; and he hoped, in appointing
the Committee, that their powers would not be so
limited as to render them useless. They ought to
satisfy themselves that Mr. Nash was paid not only
justly, hut that his works were executed with good
sense and propriety.—( Hear.)
Mr. WARBURTON did not think the public
services of Mr. Nash could form a proper ground- of

inquiry for this Committee.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
understood that the object of the Hon. Member for
Worcester wan a Committee to inquire into certain
mal-practices with which Mr. Nash was charged, in
having grossly violated his duty, and acted most
improperly, if not corruptly. If this were a question
of taste, the lion. Baronet (Sir C. Burrell) might
be right in referring the questions he proposed to it;
but this was to be a Committee to inquire into his
character ; and he was sure the Hon. Baronet did
not wish to see the character of Mr. Nash affected
by the prejudices prevailing against his architectural
Aility. He would state that Mr. Nash had waited
upon hint since he had known that this inquiry was
to be proposed there, and he hail expressed his wish
that the inquiry should be as full as it possibly could
be. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had
asked him whether be would appoint any indivi-
dual as a Member of the Committee, who was
likely to elucidate the case ? Mr. Nash replied,
that he did not care who composed the Committee;
that he would suggest no individual, and that he was
quite ready to trust his character to any Committee
of that House.
Mr. CHARLES BURRELL remarked that he
had only suggested the extension of the inquiry ;
he should not press it.
Mr. MABERLY asked whether the House
could allow Mr. Nash to be a party concerned in the
expenditure, and yet to give his advice as to the
amount. That was a question much more import-
ant to the country than any relating to his charac-
ter. He was glad to find that the Government did
not attempt to defend Mr. Nash in taking leases
for himself—a principle so wrong, that it seemed to
be abandoned as utterly indefensible.
Colonel DAVIES said, that after what had taken
place he felt it necessary to satisfy his Hon. Friend
(the Member far Newcastle) who had addressed ob-
servations somewhat crimieatory to himself. He
assured his Hon. Friend that he had not made these
charges against Mr. Nash without endeavouring to
obtain the most accurate information respecting
them ; and, he believed, that the individual from
whom he had it was as respectable as any Member
of that House. He was moving in the sphere of
gentlemen; he was well informed, and a man of
education, Ile (Colonel Davies) knew that he
must have bad communication with all the parties
connected with this transaction. As to not giving
Mr. Nash any opportunity of meeting the charges,
he declared he was incapable of treating Mr. Nash
so unjustly. He had told the Noble Lord (Low-
ther) at the head of the department of Woods and
Forests, that he had some serious charges'to prefer
against Mr. Nash. It was not true, therefore, that
he had not given notice. With respect to what the
Honourable Member for Carmarthen (Mr. Jones)
had said concerning Mr. Edwards, he begged to say
he had brought no accusation whatever against
that Gentleman. His accusation was, that Mr.
Nash had given in a request, in the 'tame of
Mr. Edwards, but in his °all hand-writing,
and with the name mis-spelt, and that he re-
presented Mr. Edwards as a man of straw in this
instance, though he was really a man of aubstance,
because Mr. Nash had stated to the Board of
Woods and Forests that Mr. Edwards had not ca
pital to erect suitable buildings on the spot. That
was the plea of Mr. Nash, by which be obtained the
grant in his own name, He could assure the Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Iluskisson) that be had not
the slightest intention to take any part against him.
It was easy fur the Right lion. Gentleman to say,
" Name your informant ;" but if he did so he should
hold himself guilty of a gross breach of trust. If the
facts were established, what did it matter what was
the name of his informant ? If he was the most des-
reputable of mankind, the evidence would be just
as good. If, indeed, he thought his informant
actuated by any base or malicious motive to blacken
Mr. Nash's character, that should not shield him. I
would, continued the Honourable Gentleman, hold
him up to the scorn of every honourable man ; but
as lone' as I believe his motives to be honest, I feel
bound to believe his statements, supported as they
are. Even if it should turn out that she is mistakert,
I should feel bound, as a man of honour, to conceal
his name, in order to protect him against the conse-
quences he would otherwise incur. It -is a matter
of notoriety, that when Members of this House
bring forward motions cf importance, they often re-
ceive
a great 11111S4 of evidence from individuals who •
do not wish, or will not allow, their names to be
used. This informant of mine might be some indi-
vidual whom Mr. Nash might have it in his power
to ruin. It is not so, lam happy to say, but the
principle is the same. I shall be truly rejoiced to
find, that at the end of this inquiry, Mr. Nash's
character remains unitnpeaehed. I feel this to be a
most painful duty, which I have thought it necessary
to undertake ; it is a most invidious and most thank-
less charge; and it is directed against a very influ-
ential person, for so I acknowledge he is; and I
know that 1 am sure at least of making one enemy,
if not a great many, by prosecuting this inquiry.
No personal motive can actuate me; I um actuated
only by the sense of duty I owe to my country, and
with the view of putting an end to a system of
waste and extravagance which ought riot to be en-
dured in the present state of the country.
Mr. HUSKISSON— I only rise to remind the
Hon. Gent. that he has told us that his informant is
a man of the highest possible respectability.—(Hear.)
The motion was then agreed to.
Colonel DAVIES then moved a list of names to
constitute the Committee.
Mr. HUSKISSO:S and Mr. F. LEWIS begged
to be excused from serving on it ; the former as being
a party implicated, and the latter an intimate friend
of Mr. Nash.
Ihe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
advised his Right Hon. Friends not to withdraw, ae
he was quite satisfied that the result of the inquiry