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London, England, 1829-06-06 00:00:00

INDIA.

Mr. C. WYNN presented a petition from certain
natives of India, praying for admission to further
civil privileges than those at present extended to
them.

Mr. WHITMORE supported the petition.
Lord ASHLEY stated that Government intended
to direct its attention to the subject of this petition.
Mr. HUME had been much engaged in business
with the natives of India, and had found as much
honesty of dealing in them as in Europeans.
Mr. FERGUSSON said, that subscribed to this
petition were the names of all the natives of Cal-
cutta who were best known- for their wealth, their
respectability, and their intelligence. He recom-
, mended the appointment of a commission to inquire
into every thing connected with the administration
of justice in India.
Sir C. FORBES wished to admit the natives of
India to a participation of all civil rights belonging
to British subjects.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH concurred in the observa-
tions which had proceeded from every part of the
House on this subject, and rejoiced at the liberal
spirit which had breathed throughout the conver-
sation. He believed there never was any absolute
government so well administered as that of India,
and he took this as the best confutation of the re-
mark of a celebrated writer, that the dependencies
of free states were worse gorerned than those of
absolute monarchies. The British Government of
India had two great merits,—it afforded security to
persons and property, and toleration in matters of
religion. These were benefits of the highest class :
the defects set against them were, too enormous
taxation, and the too general and great exclusion of
natives of India from office. Of all persons con-
cerned in the government of India, Mr. Elphinstone,
at Bombay, did the most to admitnatives to as large
a share of civil privileges as possible. The Hon.
Gent. then eulogised the character and conduct of
Sir John Malcolm, than whom no man was better
calculated to carry into effect the improvement of
the natives.

Dr. PHILLIMORE supported the petition.
Mr. WARBURTON alluded to the evidence of
Sir E. Streachy, as proving that doubts were en-
tained by some as to the propriety of admitting na•
tives of India to be grand jurors.

Sir C. FORBES argued against these doubts,
and maintained that natives of India were as much
entitled to consideration and respect as our own
countrymen.

Mr. STEWART rose to bear testimony to the
great intelligence and moral worth of the natives of
India, and to state his conviction of their fitness to
discharge the important duties of grand jurors.
The petition was brought up; on the question
that it be read,
Mr. C. W. W. WYNN observed that if the
privilege sought for were uow.granted, he should not
regret that it had not been before conceded. He
thought it desirable that it should be granted as a
boon, and so considered by the natives of India.
The petition was read, and ordered to be printed.
Mr. FERGUSSON presented the petition of
the fishermen of Macduff and Banff it? Scotland,
praying for the continuance of the bounties on fish.
Laid on the table.

Mr. DAWSON presented the report of the Com•
missioners of Woods and Forests.

Mr. O'NEIL presented, in the absence of his
Hon. Friend the Member fi:r Galvvay (Mr. Lam.
bert), a petition from certain inhabitants of that
town, complaining that the money voted for the
purpose of employing the poor in that district had
been misappropriated to purposes different from
those contemplated by the Legislature.—Read and
ordered to be printed.
Mr. A. DAWSON presented a petition from the
inhabitants of Athlone, praying for a revision of the
state of the representation in most of the boroughs
of Ireland, and particularly of the boroughof Athlone.
Ordered to be printed.
Mr. 1-11JSKISSON presented the petition of the
mayor, corporation, and merchants of Liverpool,
praying that the East India trade might be opened
to the mercantile community at large.—Read and
ordered to be printed.
The East India Offices Bill was read a third time
and passed.
On the motion being made that the Charities
Inquiry Bill be read a third time,
Mr. D. W, HARVEY had examined the report
of the commissioners appointed to inquire into the
state of charitable foundations in this kingdom, and
saw enough in it to pronounce that they had lingered
in the prosecution of that inquiry over the last ten

years, so as to afford no hope that their labours w.
be concluded within another year. In fact,
had only half performed their task. The nurnbertr
charities which it had been discovered were (Vv.e
from the purposes to which the donors had aster
them, were between 3,000 and 4,000 in noill
The proceedings at law instituted for the rev;; •
of property in trust for these charities were
number : of these 50 were still undetermineu'l
for five years past no report had been made es,
Chancery on the subject of those informatiolA
Thus in ten years only 20 causes had been sew
and of those 20 the half had been settled by Oro,
ties interested out of Court. The truth veas'r
, ,
labours and value of this committee had been e$
vagantly overrated. t 10)
Mr. BROIJG HAM was not bound to defers
Commission. It was not his measure, thoug.boie
mately connected with it; but he must, in P,,te
to the Commission, correct his Hon. Friend'slioto
merit, and say the number of cases inquir,ediod
and settled at this moment were 16; those Doo
in part were 10, making a total of 26. Numej boi
this was but the half of the counties in Erighultits
of those which remained 12 were Welch Cl°. lo
where the value of institutions of this nature woe
comparatively trifling, that it did not amonn„tatt/nd,
fortieth of the value of such properties in Dfl„relp
In their report was contained one.county--1D".010
York,—which contained more wealth in Cho' ber,
foundations than all the 12 Welch counties toiectAn,
The amount, therefore, of the labours of the
.;,ht,
mittee ought not to be taken by tale but by vl,Ol
In the report, too, was contained, under ous,;
the charities of Loudon, Westminster, and tar
wark. Of the 71 cases alluded to 53 were /nl'4
tions, 18 were petitions to the Lord Chancellor',
these 16 had been decided by the Court, which,
ceeded the proportion in which cases were ut
decided in that Court, not one in four dug
last, ten years having come to a final detertnin'',,l;
with all that number of years.—(Hear.)--Th°j g
cided out of Court were 11, making a total
cases decided. On the whole, 18,000 charities;
been inquired into and examined. One good
of their application to the subject would be [oak(
the perfect registration of charitable estates.-
other result of an agreeable nature w al, bed
70,0001. of actual yearly revenue ha" 0)
Ir. Gilbert
added to these charitable estates.
taken their annual income at 250,0001., the_dt
now had developed itself, and their yearly rrw
amounted, it was pretty well ascertained, to bet it
1,500,0004 and 2,000,0001. Though expo"/
the commission was necessary, but he had b 0
,re
that expence would be defrayed without any c 12,01;
to the public out of the estates so increased, ,0011
vage was paid on property shipwrecked. The Ili
of a tribunal to deal with charitable abuser :h
uh,
establishments, adopt reform, or amend the constitution
establishments, was principally felt. Nine
ago he had introduced a Bill on the subject, iftS;
a regretted to say—and this he meant as an 3.1 r.;,
friends who accused him with abandoning titiosi
pottant object—that the jealousy of the rgl,lol,
sects in this country had opposed a too suc,te,
opposition to his Bill, and he withdrew it. cofrt
the progress of education since the inquir/ veri
menced, he was happy to say it exceeded hitte,
tations. Of unendowed schools itf En land' 010,
were 487. At the period to which tharet%oo;
held in his hand alluded, in 1818, there werelioat
in 1828, 3,200, which showed they were 'note
doubled in that short space of time interven'nfr
tween this and 1818. The steady progre%)o
growth of these unendowed schools made "'
c 0 to
confessed, pause as to the measure he had "°11h,,,,11'
zealously contemplatednamely, the Parish Si! 0
Bill. A great prospect was now opening tf.ro•
these unendowed schools, of extending the hog
of education to the mass of the communitY• ,
must
the
pdpelßiecpailitlyiownaosfrtehaed deplore.
a third
of the great charit'e
ECCLESIASTICAL
After a short conversation on the subject 0
third reading of the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill;),
which Sir Jolts Nicola., Mr. HUME, Dr. t," t
MORE, and Mr. JOHN WooD took a part, the "'"
divided on the amendment of Mr. Hume, that
Bill be read this day three months—
For the amendment.. 7 I Against it .............
AdLtimceovanadTpsa.d:
sse,;,ll
After a few remarks from Sir J. Nicitoaq=l":,f'i44l
SMITH, Mr. HUME, and Mr. WooD, the 13"' ors
passed, the clause for disqualifying deputy regi9fr
from acting as proctors being negatived.
The Silk Manufacturers' Bill was read a'•
time and passed.
ADJOURNMENT.
the
CHEQUER, it was agreed that the ,House, et.
rising, do adjourn till Friday next.
CARNATIC AND TANJORE COMMIS.-'-` 000'
Mr. FERGUSSON wished to ask an 00
Baronet, one of the Carnatic and Tanjore 100
sioners, what had been done in respect to the of
on the Rajah of Tanjore, and, if there Were
difficulties, whether any thing bad been do .„
e
move them.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said that the coultnis,li tiOS
had met with some difficulties in the itreetit7depe,
of the Tanjore claims ; first, for want of B,e;, diP'
tent Mahratta translator, and then from 170
culty of obtaining the necessary records, ,"
were in the possession of a native prince vim °OOO
not amenable to our authority, and who wag
lnig to part with the originals. Instructions it,bst`
sent to the commissioners in India, whose reP",7,00
not been received at the date of the last titioe'
which had been laid on the table of the. Riep,eo
He could assure the Hon. and Learned GePld'ele
that every thing had been done which cOu
done.

CANADA. 014
Mr. LABOUCHERE rose to move Or i,sof
dress to his Majesty for copies or extracts °d„ tbs
communications between the Colonial-office °"„ustr
Governors of Upper and Lower Canada, in reorts'
ance of the recommendation of the Caoad,_°,- lest
mittee. The Hon. Member observed tfiii"rpoo'
Session, soon after the Hon. Member for lai/eA"110
had succeeded to the Colonial-office, he f6untteti
colony of Canada in such a state, that he sal- or
the matter to the House, and a Committee
pointed. A report had been laid before the bPio
without the slightest ''notice being taken of it of s
Majesty's Government. It gave a pictuireneet
British colony, such as never had been ton id!
would be, he trusted, exhibited to the 1e7,,n,it0
There had been no denial, from the Or go'
benches, of what had been asserted of the
,1111111101.
dous state of those colonies. The Right
Gentleman who was now at the head of the ,
nial Department had, early in the present e`',Tlipo
declared his intention of making a statelirll 'OOl
the subject to the House, and of introditic't'F' 90tes"
substantial measure of remedy, Up to this the
he had not done so, and now it was out ° d to
question. He (Mr. Labouchere) was disPitiohlt
give a great measure of confidence to the boil"
Hon. Gentleman, but he thought the Hose t 0
not separate without some address or resolti".isr
mark its sense of the subject, considering
~t„nlle,oo°
portance of the colony, with a population of IV.'
souls.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH merely rose to eleroed
his entire concurrence in the sentiments eqr-
, fracasvi
by the Hon. Member. at
Mr. WILMOT HORTON obseryed,
origin of the dissensions in Canada might be de
to the law of 1778, by which a Colonial C°
re the
established there, which gave to the Legisletuip
the
right of appropriating all the duties levied acts
colony, whilst at the same time there were ettled'
the statute book which must operate until rePtio to
He admitted that it would be a wise Iceioo
to
repeal those Acts, as productive of exasPerti"
the colony. Coferrti
Mr. WORTLEY urged the necessity of mos
is
ment coming to a -speedy decision upon th
don, which had been so long pending. . D'ute"
Sir G. MURRAY said, it (seemed to be that
to him (Sir G. Murray) as matter of blenrr'coe
when the affairs of Canada were incidentally

before the House not long since, he had not entered
into a lengthened discussion on the subject ; and it
was hinted that he had shown a want of respect to
the House in not doing so. His own opinion was,
that there was no mode in which respect could be
more properly shown to the House than by Nlerif•
bets confining themselves as much as possible, at
all times, to the immediate question under discus-
sion.—(Hear, hear.)—That was his reason for riot
entering at large into the affairs of Canada upon the
presentation of a petition. It seemed also to be im-
puted to him, that he had not shown sufficient re-
spect for the labours of the Canada Committee.
That charge was equally groundless with the other.
He was quite sensible of the zeal of the Committee,
and was satisfied that his friend, the Chairman, had
used his anxious endeavours to guide their labours to
the best advantage, both for the mother-country and
the colony. It had likewise been charged against him,
that he had stated the complaints made from the
colony to be of so vague a character, that it was
difficult to ascertain the alleged grievances with suf•
ficient precision to apply a remedy to them. If it
were an offence to have made • this statement, he
'must Plead guilty to the charge, for he was of the
same opinion still. To show that his opinion was
not without foundation, he would quote some of the
complaints which had been received horn the colony.
One of the complaints was, that the legislative
council had rejected some of the most salutary
measures which bad been passed by large majorities
the House of Assembly. That might be true,
but certainly the allegation was extremely vague and
general. Another complaint was, that military men
Were allowed to hold civil offices, who, it was al-
leged,
colony."---(
were " totally unfit for civil rule in the
A laugh.)—Nothing Gould be more
vague and general than this. The Hon. mover and
seconder had stated their conviction that the two
officers who governed Upper and Lower Canada
were extremely well fitted for their situations.
There were hardly anynfficers more distinguished in
their profession than those officers. They bore the
honeurahle marks of services in the severe wounds
they had received in arduous, important, and
successful enterprises in which they , had as-
sisted. But in order to g rid of e reu-
dice against military men it et
was onlyth
necepssajry
for the complainers to look beyond their own ter-
ritority to a great republic, where the person elected
by the voice of the people to be the head of the Go-
ternment was a military man, who hail risen to dis-
tinction by his successful achievements in war, and
had been placed durin
It g peace in the highest civil
office of the State.
certainly had been his inten-
tion, as he had announced, to bring forward a motion
this Session on the affairs of Canada, but when he
came to consider the subject, he found that he was
Pot in possession of sufficient information. The
night Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to read
nearly the whole of the report of the Committee,
and stated that he agreed with the most of the sug-
gestions which it contained, but expressed an oPi-
Monthat it would be extremely difficult to carry
Most of there into effect. In conclusion, the Right
Hoe. Gentleman said that in concurring in the mo-
tion of the Hon: Member, which he cordially did,
could anticipate the pleasure which that Hon.
Member and ethers interested in the affairs of Ca-
NIL would feel at learning, as they would learn
from those documents, that every disposition existed
Ott the part of Government here to attend to the
• eOlnplaints which had been made by some of the
Polonists, and to do every thing that could be done
40 Piornote the welfare of the Colony.
After a few words from Mr. S. WORTLEY,
Which were not heard in the gallery,
Mr.. STANLEY expressed a hope that the re-
.
no lance of Government would be placed in future,
t ou the decisions of the Legislative Council, but
II" the wishes of the people, as expressed by their
—eresentatires is the House of Assembly.
G. MURRAY said the principles which he
Vtild like to see established in the colony were
"se of the British Constitution.
Mr. DENISON was inclined to place great con-
y in the-Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary
r°r the Colonies, that he would redress the griev-
a4e*s complained of.
M. HUSICISSON was glad to hear that the
Step which he took last Session, namely the appoint-
ttnheer of a Committee to inquire into the situation of
"e Colonies had met with the approbation of the
bf the
enuntry Sir R. INGLIS considered it the duty of their
il
Colo • provide for the religious worship of her
thernl.esto , by establishing her own church among

-14-• 'WARBURTON said the mother country
OP .sills
r not the only person to be consulted in the point
Vi lgion. It was not to be supposed that reli-
II Wits to be forced on among people, and the
etrine of the Hon. Member (Sir R. Inglis) acted
uo
NI; would render Canada a second Ireland.
,_After a few words from Mr. LABOUCHERE, who
ill!' amid, from what had been stated by the
!At Hon. Secretary for the Colonies, that the
8414 e Vatem of government would be pursued in
°Ur dependencies as heretofore, the motion was
/greed to.

NATIVES OF AFRICA.
ic?ii the motion of Mr. F. BUXTON a copy of the
pa
" in Council relating to natives in Africa, was
ered to be laid on the table.
SUT FEES.
i°ll the motion of Mr. F. BUXTON, certain papers
Table
to suttees, were ordered to be laid on the
o tuned .

LIST OF THE MINORITY
That ON MR. MIME'S MOTION,
quii_a clause be added to the Ecclesiastical Courts' Bill, re-
ottie/ that a table of fees of Registrars, Proctors, and all
of the Court, be hung up in the Court ; and also a
s a. that no Deputy Registrar, hereafter to 'be appointed,
141,;;;! act as a Proctor in the Courts."—June 5.
t,,rt , Wilbraham, G TELLERS.
pm,* 4. J. Wilson, Sir R. Hume, J.
4ioueY. J's . Wood, Alderman Wood, John
ey.
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°M THE GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT.

Whitehall, June 4, 1829.
e4%.ißg has been pleased to direct letters patent to
1310.`-'4.4 under the Great Seal, granting the dignity of a
144:4 of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ire-
Otflinto the Right Hon. Sir Wm. Draper Best, Knt.
heir; Jultice of the Court of Common Pleas, and the
Nire of. his body lawfully begotten, by the name,
411c1 title of Baron Wynford, of Wynford Eagle, in
enlinty of Dorset.

Whitehall, June 4.
king has been pleased to direct letters patent to be
tick Wunder the Great Seal, granting to Colonel Frede-
p,
stid illiain Trench, the office of Storekeeper of the
-"ce of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and

Lord
Whitehall, May 28.
Motet
_ord Chancellor has appointed James Abbey, of
ik_liarborough, in the county of Leicester, Gent. to
tot:44lter Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery.
etalliftsi"
vi. a the South Salopian Regiment of Yeomanry
tf ,Y, signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the County
44711"
ts Francis Harries to be Lieutenant. Dated
1829.

wDECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY.
111 Lycra, Nelson street, St. Luke's, bookbinder.
4t• ,„1 BANKRUPTCIES ENLARGED.
'10.1..1°11 Warner, Crayford, Kent, farmer, from Jane 12
W• oral eleven, at the Court of Cemmisioneis.
71% juge Cartwright, Nottingham, commission-agent,
atti, Ile 9 to July 21, at eleven, at the White Hart Inn,
Sha.
I sitilare BANKRUPTS.
Cm
Beville, Pall-mall, tailor, to surrender June
'4llll e'vren, 19, at ten, and Jy 17, at one, at the
Wil?` Commissioners Boilenh ulam, Furnival's Inn.
k4.l4;4ll.lWinterbourn, Fleet-street, tailor, June 12, 19,
teSkY 17, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners. Lake,
4 1144 t.
L et
-elve,
2uoudney, Lombard-street, tailor, June 19, at
1j Utt of 6, at eleven, and July 17, at twelve. at the
;IA hi, m issioners. Nicholson, Dowgate•bill.
klbe William Coe, Bath, Somersetshire, silk-mercer,
Nailer 19, and July 17, at ten, at the Court of Com-
iskey, Stokes and Hollingsworth, Cateaton-street.
APPleton and James Bullard Broorn6eld, Loc.

don-road, Surrey, porknien, June 19, at twelve, 26, at
ten, and July 17, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners.
Watson and Son, Bouverie-street, Fleet-street.
John Dorrington, airmingliarn, brass-founder, June 30,
July 1 and 7, at (,tIP. at the Royal Hotel, Birmingham.
Chilton and Son, Chancery-lane; Benson or Burman,
Birmingham.

Robert Bruin, Blaby, Leicestershire, baker, June 17,
at three, 18, and July 17, at eleven, at the Three Crowns
Inn, Leicester. Fleming and Baxter, Gray's-inn-place,
London; Stone, Leicester.

John Sampson, Weymouth, Dorsetshire, linen-draper,
June IS, 19, and July 17, at ten, at the office of Mr.
John Henning, solicitor, Weymouth. Alexander and
Son, Carey-street, London.
Williati Bayley, Macclesfield, silk-manufacturer, June
19, at four, 20, at nine, and July 17, at two, at the King's
Arms Inn, Macclesfield. Milne and Parry, Temple, Lon-
don ; Ainsworth, Macclesfield.
Robert Davies, Llanfurog, Denbighshire, shoemaker,
June 11, at twelve, 13, at one, and July 17, at eleven, at
the White Lion Inn, Ruthin. Lloyd, Ruthin ; Leigh,
George-street, Mansion-house, London.

As:sph Ira Browne, Jewin•crescent, money-scrivener,
June 12, 19, and July 17, at eleven, at the Court of Com-
missioners. Cadon, High-street, Marylebone.
Joseph Hall, Worcester, veterinary-surgeon, June 17,
at five, 18, at ten, and July 17, at eleven, at the George
Inn, Bewdley. Becke, Queen-square, London ; France,
Worcester.