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avoided any allusion to the merits of the case, but he could
not help censuring the practice, followed by every Lord
Lieutenant, of sending a letter round on every eletttifm,
stating that a certain Peer, who, it wits understood, had
the Government interest, was a candidate to fill-the va-
cancy. This was nothing less than a breach of their
Lordships' privi'eges, and he would treat it as stich if ever
it were again practised. He concluded by moving that
the Pe'tition be referred to the Committee of Privileges to-

.'2,0 years, could on no aceount be considered as conA't tted
of any thing but ectual madmen.
The E-al of WINCHELSEA, as le meant to address the
House to-morrow night, when he presented the petition to
their Lordships of which he had given notice, would
onin make a few observations now. If the sentiments
contained in the letter to which the Noble Earl alluded,
were the ravings of a disturbed mind, he knew well that
they were the sentiments ef a vast number of the sub-
jecte of this country. Those sentiments did not apply to
the Noble Lord who hid just sat down, whose prin-
ciples hod been uniformly consistent. He wished he could
say so of the party with whom he had long acted, but with
whom he would act no longer. If one single argument
had been advanced by that party, who hail hitherto re-
sisted Catholic! Emancipaticen on the ground that it
could not be granted without endaneerie s the Protestant
The SrEA KER. took his seat at Four o'clock.
inhabitants of that country, to show that they had pro-
perly changed their opinions, then the argument might Sir J. NICHOLL presented a petition against any fer-
have enlightened him and heheted him to have peen them ther eencession to the Catholics from the Clergy of the
his eepport ; but when it was stated, as it hid been County Palatine of Durham.
by some of them at lease, that they still retained Mr. I.ITTLETON presented a petition from the inlia-
their former principles, but now way to circum-
helm! ts of the parish of Witham, Staffordshire, against Ca-
stances, it appeared to hint that they had yielded to a
eely ef men who hail openly and dip ingly opposed them- tholic Emailepation.
seleee to the establiebed laws of this country, and Mr. GREEN presented a similar petition from the pa-
it W•l4 ro tlisee the sentiments in his letter were vie!, of Ulverstone, Lancashire.
area-nit to apply, and not to those' to hose conduct he Sir G HILL presented a petition from Sir Harcourt
should admire to tl e latest hour ef his he.
Lees, for the suppression of the Catholic Atesociation.
The Bishopo•SAlNT DAVID'S preseeted a petition '
Mr. BELL presented a petition against Catholic Etnan.
egeitast the. Catholics, but we could not learn from whit
place. ciliation, from the Clergy of the diocese of Durham, am
A N,-tale Lord, whose name we could not learn, presented (led eel that he was not yet a convert, and should oppose
einoilar priirione from Bangor, and other places iu Wales. Catholic Emancipation.
L: r• 1 KING presented a petition front Granard, in Ire- Sir J. BERESEORD presented a similar petition from
lariat, in favour of the Catholics. Nerthallerten.
Lord LORTON presented a petition from the Nobility, Sir T. GOOCH presented a similar petition from the
Gentry, Freeholders, amid other Pretestant. Inhabitants of perish of Wham, and other places in the county of
the county of Dublin, praying that their Lordships would Suffolk.
not grant any further political power to the Catholics; Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented similar petitions
that they would ;eke measures to put down the Catholic from North Widden, and other parishes of North Wilt-
Association, and to eisfranchise the forty-shilling free- shire and Sornersetshire.
holders. The petition was worthy of their Lordships' at- Mr. O'BRIEN presented a petition from the Catholic
tention, as it represented the opinion of the Protestants of inhabitants of Gilcrist, in the county of Clare, far Catholic
Ireland, who owned 9-10tH of the property of the coon- Emancipation.
try. Ifis Lordship contended that granting further power Mr. CARTWRIGHT load always been adverse to
to the Catholics, and allowing the Catholic Association to the granting of the Catholic claims, but since he found
exist, thwarted all the efforts of these landlords for the be- the Ministers bad received time confidence they had, and
hefit of Ireland. He was glad to learn that it was the in- that the necessity of settling the question was acknow-
tendon of his Majesty's Ministers to put down the Catholic ledged on all hands, he thought at least they ought to
Association, end he relied on their carrying their plan for hear what they had to propose.—(Hear, hear.)
this purpose into effect. The Forty-shilling Freeholders Mr. WM. YATES• PEEL- confessed he could not look
were all in a state of abject bandage to the Roman Catho- with unmingled feelings of satisfaction at time Bill which
lic Priests. They were hereditary bondsmen. There was was before time House, but when lie saw those who had
a gored amplification of this in the famous election of Clare, been opposed to emancipation, now advocating the ne-
wlwn Mr. O'Connell prostrated himself in the mud, in the cessity of its being granted, he came to the conclusion, that
open street, before a Catholic Bishop. such a statement his Majesty's Government had but a choice of dif-
had been made, and never denied. This was very nearly ferent facilities, and they had to clause the best.
allied to idolatry. It coal not be allowed that persons so The two evils were, Catholic concessions and a civil war.
abject should elect the Members of Pareiament who are to If the latter event were to take place, no one could look
make the laws for this Protestant empire. if Catholic Eman- xithout horror at the scenes of bloodshed which must
cipetion egranted, and the Forty-shilling freeholders were follow.—(dear, hear, hear.)—ln seeking what was to
nut disfranchised, the sun of Britain's glory would set for lie done, three courses presented themselves—first, that
ever. The people were placed between two parties—the of chanting unqualified Catholic Emancipation : secondly,
priests and the landlord; ; and by the former they were that of refusing all concessions; and thirdly, that of grant-
threatened with eternal damnation, if they dial those sering concessions with sufficient securitica. To the first he
el-,es for the latter they had a right to claim out of grati- would be no party, for such a course would be little less
tuale. With reference to the state of the Jesuits in Ire- than undoes'. To the second course he was certain the
lend, which wee a matter of some importance, he begged majority of that House could not be brought:to accede. The.
leave to call their Lordships' attention to a pamphlet, only course which was open to them was that of concession.
which was an exposure of the Jesuits. His Lordship then Sir J. ASTLEY presented a petition against Catholic
read a brief extract from a pamphlet of this description. Emancipation, from the Archdeacon and Clergy of the
If it was intended to preserve the Protestant Establish- county of Wilt..
merits of these realms, not one single Jesuitical seminary Colonel ROCHFORT wee determined to oppose to the
should he suffered to remain. They should be got rid of utmost of his power the measure which Ministers intended
one after another, or there never could be peace or tran- to introduce. It was true that his (Colonel Rochfort's)
quillity, particularly on the other side of the Channel. party had lost their leader—they were now like an orange
He bad also another petition to the, amuse effect from the without the rind.—(A laugh.)
Protestants of time barony of Ossery, very numerously Sir G. ROBINSON presented a similar petition from
signed. They prayed also for the repeal of the Act of the the Unitarian Chapel of Northampton.
:33dGeo. 111., by:which the Forty-shilling Freeholders were Mr. MAXWELL took this opportunity of stating that
created, anti for the effectual suppression of the Roman he weuld support the great measure which was so (shortly
Catholic Association. to come before them, for the suppression of the Catholic
Viscount CLIFDEN presented a petition from the Re- Association ; but he would rather that it had been after
man Catholics of the county of Dublin, praying for relief than before time granting of emancipation : he considered
from their civil disabilities; and also that part ot the money that the existence of the Catholic Association was incorn-
granted for education in Ireland might be given to the patible with the existence of the Government.
Catholic pieces of education. The petitioners complained Mr. SUGDEN considered the measure brought forward,
that efforts were made in the schools where the Protestants by Ministers as striking at the root of the Constitution,
had the chief authority, to make proselyte* of the Catho- and, unless he could support the whole measure, he was
lie children. This was a practice which could not be too not inclined to say that emancipation should be partially
much censured. He could conceive nothing more con- granted. But, whatever doubts they might have as to
teary to every goon principle, or to the principles of the propriety of making concessions to the Catholics, he
the Christian Religi, n, that an attempt to make pro- was satisfied all would agree that the Catholic Association
eelytre of children in their tender years. The reason was an unconstitutional body, and would act in concert
was obvious ; and he would put it to every person who with Government in the determination to put it down.
heard him, how would they like to have their chit- He was aware that it was the opinion of many Honourable
dreg priaselytheed to another faith ? It was contrary Members that, when Catholic Emancipation was granted,
to the doctrines of the most divine of all the portions of the Catholic Association would die a natural death. . 'Phis
the Scripture—time Selman on the Mount ; for there might possibly be so, but the very recollection that an
they were expressly told, "Do by others as you would have Association was in existence which was dangetous to the
them do by you ;" anal therefore, by converse, they were interests of the country ought to engage the feelings
not to do by others what they would not have others do by warmly in putting it down, as a preliminary step tat those
them. It was true, he brlieveal, that the Catholics had measures which his Majesty's Ministers were about to ad-
taken away their children from Protestant Schools, where dress to the attention of the House, If it appeared to
the parents were tinder the apprehension that they would those who were at the head of his Majesty's Councils that
be made proselytes,. He knew an instance in which this prospective measures were desirable, they ought to be pre,
had happened at Watertind ; but when the Catholics found ceded by the fall of this Association. One of the provi-
there was no such intention, all the children returned ; stuns of the BR for the suppression of this Association
and therefore it was proved to demonstration, that where would, he hoped, render illegal the collecting of anything
they hail removed the children, it was because efforts had in the shape of a Rent; that strong power ought only to
been made to debauch them from the faith of their fathers; be vested in the Government of a country. The next ob-
he called it debauching them, because they were drawn jean should be to prevent those simultaneous; meetings
from the Nth of their fathers, not by their own convic- which took place in almost every part of Ireland, and
thin, but by the undue influence exercised over them. , which threatened the very existence of the Government
Time Petition was from the Parish of St. Margaret, itself; and then to bring down those meetings in
chapels, which not only desecrated those holy places,
The Earl of LONGFORD did not believe that any ef- but lost fur them all that respect and veneration
forts were made to proselytise the Catholics. The teachers which ought to belong to those places. Instead of being
were not only cautioned against not making proselytes as a confined to religious purposes, they became the resort of
part of their business, but every means were taken in the fanatics, who divided the sentiments of the nation, and
power of the governors to inculcate on those who superin- brought the safety of the people in danger. His opinion
tended time schools that no such system WAS to be pursued. was still against Catholic Emancipation; but if the pres-
If the Noble Viscount wished to ascertain the tact, and sure of circumstances induced him to support the recom-
would allow him (Lord Longford) to send him a copy of mendation contained in the King's Speech, it was because
the last Report of the proceedings of the Society, he had he chose the lesser evil of the two that were presented to
no douet time Nettle Viscount woulal be satisfied. his view, and on the adoption of which the safety of the
Viscount CLIFDEN still thought in some instances State in a great measure depended. He could not believe
there were grounds for these accusations. The Catholics that the Roman Catholics would be benefitted by the Ines- '
reciveal assistance gratefully from those who iwested on sure. The more proper course, in his opinion, would
mouthing against their religion. He than presented another have been to try first to improve the moral and inteilecttee
petition from the Inhale:eras of St Margaret's parish, condition of the great holy of the people in Ireland ; and,
Dublin ; but desserts against time Sub-letting Act, in which when that was accomplished, but mut till then, it might
he was not quite prepared to go the full length of true be proper to introduce sonic such measure as that propo'ed.
prayer of the petitioners. They echoed for the repeal of Me MAXWELL presented petitions arson the Protestant
this Act ; and tee believed it required itmendepent as to inhabitant. of ttath,lown, and several other parishes in the
!caws m towns and elsewhere. The Noble Viecouut also county of Wicklow against any further concessions to the
pseeentee a petition trout the Catholics of Killerney, for Roman Catholics. The petitioners likewise prayed that the
tee r; pc lof tee New Vestry Act As om this petition House would pace some ineaeure for regulating the manlier
aim>, he was not prepared to en its uII length ; but he in wimice the Elective Franchise wes exercised in lremend.
thoug• t that Act rose iequ.red amendineut. Lord 13ECTIVE ',aid lie had the crest haniour to pre-
-13 of which came from one single c'munty
Time Marquis of LANSDOWNE load ~)flit petitions to sent 40 eetition-,
present praying ear chat was commonly, but Improperly, in Ireland. in favour of Emancipation. (Loud cries of
called Roman Ceti-min: Emancipation. Nothing- could be hear.) He lisped the time was near at hand when it
further Conn his Intentems than, on presentiug these pets- weuld be ainneceesary to present such petitions as these.
tions• to trouble their Leralehme with any general argu- The country could not sufficiently express its gratitude to
metes on time question ; but he could not tallow it to be Government for the manner it which they had taken up
stated, coining as it did, too, on the respectable authority the CALM! Of our stiffering Roman Catholic brethren—it was
of the Noble Lord who had lately spoken on the other side a measure at which he rejoiced, although it was only
of the Hamm', that nine-tenths of the Protestant landed granting them that justice which had long been _delayed-.
interetie of Ireland were adverse to what was called Roman (Hear.) He entirely concurred in the sentiments of the
Catholic Emancipation. petitioners. A great deal had been said about putting
Viscount LORTON begged the Noble Marquis's pare down the Association, but nothing had been said about the
don for interrupting him ; but he had not said what the necessity of suppressing other Associations. If the Catho-
Noble Marquis imputed to him. lie had said that the lie Association were dangerous, the Brunswick 'flubs were
Protestants were in possession of nine-tenting of the landed doubly so. It was a notorious fact, that in Dublinlan
property of Ireland. Orange flag was waving over the door of the Brunswick
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in return, begged par Club-house. Such proceedings were calculated to create
don ef the Noble Viscount, whom he had certainly misap- discord and
prehended. He admitted that nine-tenths of time landed Mr. G. MOORE said, before the petitions were brought
property were in the nomieal possession of the Protestents; up, he felt it his duty to say a few words on what had fallen
that they held by freehiald to that extent, he could easily from the Noble Lent ; he could not concur in the genera!
believe ; but the Noble Lord knew that the Roman Catho- statements of the petitioners, although he certainly wished
lies held an immense mass of property under the Protest- not only the Catholic Association to be put down, but like-
ants. Besides what had appeared in evidence before the wise every other intolerant Association ;he would put down
Committees of their Lordships' House, it had since come all orders of Liberators. The Noble Lord was mistaken
to their knowledge that annually, he might say daily, there , in the view that Ile entertained respecting the Brunswick
was an increase of the property held by the Roman Catho- Clubs. They were not characterised by any acts of in-
lice, which entitled them the more to their Lordships' at- tolerance, (Hear) which every person might be convinced
tention, as the possession of time land always-gave that at- of if they would take the trouble to read the last Report
tachtnent to the country which was always found to pre- of the General Committee. It was well known the danger
rail far beyond any religious influence, except when the to which Ireland had been reduced by means of the
unhappy operation of exclusive laws deeply affected a. nu- Catholic Association, made it necessary for the friends of
merous class of the people. Ile was glad tat find that the Protestantism to unite, and show to the world at large
Catholics of Ireland were every day committed more the motives by which they were actuated. The Bruns-
strongly to the interests and fortune 01 the State. The wit k Clubs were certainly calculated to do much good.—
Noble Marquis presented five petitions; one front the It was known to the Protestants of the whole Empire,
county of Westmeath, and the others from Swords and thet time Catholic. Association had used every exertion to
ehdahede, in the county of Dublin, and from St. Jumbo's - throw impediments in the way of the expression of Pro-
Parish, Limerick, and Charleville, in the county of Cork. testantlopioion,by every species of intimidation. On the other
He also presented a petition against the Sub-letting Act, had, the ordyconfederation which the Brunswickere had eves
from sonic part of Ireland. community of feeling anti community of principle. With
IRISH REPRESENTATIVE PEER. -respect to the fact to which the Noble Lnrd had referred, as
Lord FARNHAM then, pursuant to notice, moved that i to the display ef an Orange flag at the door of the Brunswick
the petition of Lord Viscount Castlemaine against the re- ' Club-house, he believed that the Noble Lord was misinformed,
turn of Lord Dunally, ass Representative Peer of Ireland, and be trusted that on further inquiry the Noble Lord
be referred to the Committee of Privileges. He did so, would find that he was greatly deceived. It Was quite
because this was the first case of a disputed election of a t notorious, that at the meeting of the Brunswick Club in
Representative Peer since the Union, and it was desirable, i Dublin no such thing was tolerated.
therefore, to proceed with circumspection. Ile wholly Lord BECTIVE said, that the flag alluded to had been

morrolv.

The LORD CiIANCELLOR perfectly concurred in the
propriety of the coarse suggested by the Noble I.ord.
The Motion was agreed to, and the Committee ordered
to meet to-morrow morning.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(LAST :NIGHT.)