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MAYNOOTH ENDOWMENT BILL.

On the motion that the order of the day fur going into Com-
mittee on this Bill being read,
Sir ROBERT INGLIS rose and said—l trust I shall be
excused for stalling the attention of the House to one or two
observations—( Cries of " Petitions" )—I am quite in order.—tl.e
question is that the order of the day be now read. I trust I may
be excused for calling the attention of the House to the clock.—
( Laughter.) I ask, whether it would be right or decorous
to commence so important a measure at the present hour.—
( Hear, hear.) The question at. issue is whether the consoli-
dited fund is to be charged in perpetuity with a considerable
amount for maintaining the College of Maynooth.—( Hear,
hear.) I certainly will resist the discussion being gone into
at the present hour, but hope I she,' not be put to the necee-
city of dividing the Howie, and that het Majesty's Ministers
wilt see the justice of what I propose.--(Cries of " Go on.")
It is now a quarter past ten o'clock, and is it, I ask again, a
proper time to go on with a Bill of so much magni-
tude, and upon which the House and the country 'feel
so deeply interested ? He hop. d the Ministry would
not, trusting to a mere numerical majority, object to the post-
ponement.—( Hear, hear. )
Sir R. PEEL rose amid loud cries of "Go on." I sin-
cerely regret that my Hon. Friend makes any objection to eur
proceeding with this stage of the Bill to-night.—( Hear, hear. )
I did not expect that,:beginning the discussion at so late an
hour, the House would come to any decision to-night. I cer-
tainly understood from the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Ward), that he would not bring forward the motion after ten
o'clock.—( Hear, hear.) I will not give my Hon. Friend the
Member for the University of Oxford ( Sir R. Inglis) any ad-
vantage over me, by saying that I hurried or attempted to press
forward this measure. At the same time 1 repeat that con-
cerning the measure now introduced, and which has received
the sanction of the House in so decided a manner, I consider
it to he one of vital importance, and that nothing shall be
wanting on my part to bring it to a successful issue.—(Cheers.)
It was a question of great importance to the public, and be
would throw no obstacle in the way of its speedy settlement.
Ile whuld, however, in the fufilment of a pledge given by h m
to a Scottish deputation, proceed upon Friday to state the
measure which the Government intended to introduce with
respect to banking in Scotland. He now regretted having
given that pledge, but he trusted that the House would agree
in reserving any discussion upon it until a later period. This
question might be taken on Wednesday, but Government, at
the same time, had not the power of compelling Gentlemen
who had notices on the paper to postpone them for another
day. If they were, however, willing to waive their right to
precedence, he should be perfectly ready to allow the subject
to be at once brought forward, but if they were unwilling to
yield that right, he would bring it forward immediately after
the statement on Friday. He was most anxious, feeling the
great importance of the measure, to bring it to a speedy
conclusion.

Mr. HINDLEY thought the Hon. Member for Sheffield
would be injering his own cause if he gave way on this
occasion. Those who opposed the Government on that ques-
tion had been charged with bigotry. He (Mr. Hindley)
thought they bad an equal right to charge the other side with
robbery.—( Hear, hear, cheers, and laughter.) He was
obliged to support his own chapel and to endow his own college
—( Hear, hear)—and he asked what right the Government
had to put their hands into the pockets of the Dissenters of this
country. He did not wish to speak disrespectfully of his Roman
Catholic fellow.subjects, and at all times, in that House, lie had
rromoted with his influence, and by his vote, the cause of the
Irish people—the cause of the Roman Catholics. He meant
their civil rights, hut he thought it extremely uncivil—
(Laughter)—when they wished in return to put their hands
into his pocket.
Sir R. PEEL hoped that no discussion would be raised upon
a question not before the House.
Lord HOWICK expressed his sorrow that the question
would not then be taken—(Hear, hear.) He would suggest
one thing to the Right Hon. Baronet. The Right Hon.
Baronet had informed the House that he meant to begin and
end upon Friday his exposition of the Scotch banking measure.
He (Lord Howick) could not help suggesting to the Right
Hon. Ba:onet that the gentlemen of Scotland would be willing ,
to relieve him of any necessity for bringing the measure for-
Hear, hear)—and if he postponed it till another ses-
sion, it would not disagreeably disappoint them.—( Hear, hear. )
He could not help thinking that the measure might, with great
benefit, be considered next session, after the House had had a
little experience of the acting of the Right Hon. Baronet's
measure in England. Such a course would, he was convinced,
facilitate the passing of the measures with respect to Scotland
and Ireland. They all knew that when Gentlemen in that
House began to speak of paper-money, it was very difficult to
limit the discussion—(Laughter)—and looking at the subject
of Maynooth, and other questions which it was absolutely ne-
cessary to have disposed of in the present session, he would
urge on the Right Hon. Baronet the adoption of his suggestion.
Mr. HUME joined with the Noble Lord in recommending
to the Right Hon. Baronet a postponement of his Scotch
banking measure till another session. The Right Hon.
Baronet should allow well to remain well. If he took till next
year to introduce his measure, he would he better able to judge
how far he might go on this question. The Scotch Members
and the commercial men of Scotland were opposed to his
system of currency, and it might save trouble if the Right
Hon. Baronet would allow his banking measure to stand over.
Sir R. PEEL hoped that Hon. Members would give no
opinion on this measure of Government until they knew what
it really was. The measure was intended not to apply to
Scotland alone, but to Ireland also. It would be advantageous
to give Government an opportunity of stating the details of the
intended measure.
Mr. WARD said that he had stated to the Right Hon.
Baronet that he was willing to bring forward his motion at
any reasonable hour, but he thought half after ten too late to
enter upon the discussion, and would. therefore, rather post-
pone it till Wedesday as suggested by the Right Hon. Baronet.
Mr. COWPER thought the question one on which it was
advisable to have the opinion of the House as soon as possible,
and he should be very happ) to give way with his motion upon
Wednesday.
Lord ASHLEY had a motion on the paper relative to calico
print-works, but he also would be glad to give way, and allow
the Maynooth question precedence.
Mr. DUNCOMBE had a notice far that day on the subject
of arrestment of wages in Scotland. If there were no epposi-
lion he would press the second reading, but, if it were opposed,
he should give way to the Hon. Member for Sheffield.
The LORD ADVOCATE said that he should feel it his
duty to oppose the measure of the Hon. Member for Finsbury.
Mr. WATSON expressed his willingness to postpone a
motion of his on the paper for that day.
The Committee of Supply on the Maynooth grant was then,
postponed till Wednesday.
Mr. WARD presented petitions praying that the sums of
money for defraying the Government grant to Maynooth be
taken out of the revenues of the Irish Church, instead of out of
the consolidated fund of the country.
Sir R. PEEL presented a petition from Belfast, signed by
the most influential inhabitants of that town, magistrates,
bankers, and merchants in favour of the grant to Maynooth.
Also similar petitions from Antrim, Hartlepool, and Dublin.
Sir R. Inglis, Mr. Hume, Mr. Law, Mr. Bankes, Mr.
Dundas, and other Hon. Members, presented petitions against
the grant.
Mr. B. ESCOTT presented a petition from Bridgwater in
favour of the Government measure. The petitioners believed
that the measure was calculated to promote the peace and
happiness of Ireland.
CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
third reading of the Customs Duties Bill, and said, that as
the principle of the Bill had been already agreed to, he hoped
there would be no dispute about the Bill.
Mr. HUTT said that he had received many representations
from merchants in Australia respecting the duties upon wool,
and he had to state that they deeply regretted that sufficient
difference was not made between home and colonial and foreign
wool.
Mr. HUNIE wished to know on what principle the Govern-
ment allowed the present remission of duty on sugar and denied
it upon staves.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said that the Government made no
difference between small interests and great, as the Hon. Mem-
-1.7.er for Montrose had supposed ; but it should be recollected
that the duty on sugar was an annual grant, while the remission
of the duty on staves was intended to be a permanent mea-
sure.
Mr. KEMBLE, in presenting petitions for the remission
of the duty on staves at present in the Qneen's bend ware-
houses, stated that the dealers in that article were not anxious
to relieve themselves from the claim which the Government had
hitherto made upon them, but they thought that in the re-
mission of the duties on sugar there was a certain rule
laid down, and that the same reasons which had induced the
remission on sugar would apply to them. The petition parti-
cularly expressed a peculiar principle which the wholesale
dealers conceived affected their interests. It was this :—They
were always obliged to keep a much larger stock on hand than
any other dealers, and as the loss to the revenue was incon-
siderab's to the Government, he trusted their case would be
taken into consideration.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the House would recollect, that when he had introduced the
measure respecting the Sugar Duties, he had stated that. he '
anticipated many persons, in different lines of business, would
make similar claims to this.
Mr. HAVES said that he should not have said a word on
the subject, but that he thought it was due to the sugar dealers
to say that the lowness of the duty upon staves in no way
affected their position, and he thought that the objection was
entirely met by the clause in the Bill
Mr. RUMP: said it had been the,
- custom to remit all duties
upon goods when any large measure was passed. He thought 1
the cnstnms' duties alarethe measure, and he trusted the Govern- 1
ment would not forsake
this. 1r character in such a measure as
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it had
been the custom never to I
demand the increase of duty when
the duty had been raised, and that It therefore unreason-
able to expect that the duties shoed
in hand when it had been reduced. e remitted on the stocks
Mr. HUME denied this statement, and said that, for forty
these
tt duties.
the
years, it had been the custom to imposeth
denied
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHI
assertion, in which he was supported by
Mr. GLADSTONE conceived that the
e Robert Peel.
:Montrose had entirely misconceived the Hon. Member for
question,
there was no analoey between the present topic and that
opt: and that to
which he referred. In the case of former
)ears,
who had obtained a remission of the duties, were theparties
individuals
who had been led to suppose that the duty would be continued.
They had consequently accumulates! stocks in bond, u
the duties were chargeable, and which impost the hwhich
Legislature
had remitted when those duties were removed.
After a few words from Mr. HAWES and Mr. lIUTT,
Sir ROBERT PEEL remarked, that if the importers of
et.
foreign commodities -taidd not accept the increased trade
which would res,l.l, from the removal of duties on particular
articles, as a compensation for any slight loss they might sus-
tain from having goods in bond, there would be great in-
lustice done to the public revenue. He hoped, therefore,
Parliament would always have a right to deai with customs
duties without being shackled with the claims of
parties who held goods in kind. True, in the case
of sugar, they allowed a drawback, but the House
must remember that the duties on that commodity were regu-
lated annually, and parties who held quantities of that article
in bond at the time of the change were entitled to the draw-
back, because the Government proposal took them by sur-
prise, inasmuch as it was submitted to Parliament some time
before the annual duties had expired. Now, the duty on
staves had been permanent, and the same right to a drawback
did not, therefore, apple to them as it did to sugar.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up
the following clause . "1
• And whereas it is expedient that cor-
rect accounts may continue to be taken of the value of the im-
ports of I
certain goods upon which duty has hitherto been
charged according to the value thereof, but upon which goods
the duties have been repealed by this Act; be it further en-
acted, that, upon the entry inwards of any such goods, the
value thereof shall be stated in the entry, and shall be affirmed

by the declaration of the importer or his known agent, written
upon the entry, and attested by his signature; and, if such de-
claration be false, the person signing the same shall forfeit the
sum of 2' 1. ; and it shall be lawful fur the landing waiter, or
other officer appointed to examine such goods, to call for the
invoice, bills of parcels, and such other documents relating
thereto, as may be deemed necessary for ascertaining the true
value of the same ;" which was read a first and second time,
and then committed.
The House having resumed, the report was brought up and
received.

The clause was added to the Bill by way of rider.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
MEDICAL REFORM.

On the reading of the order of the day for the second read
ing of the Physic and Surgery Bill,
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he had informed the Noble Lord
the Member for London that he had alterations to propose in
this Bill, and also in the Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons
Bill, of which he would give the Noble Lord notice. He was
not yet in a condition to propose those alterations to-night, but
as he was desirous to lose as little time as possible in carrying
the Bill through, he hoped the House would allow the
Bill to be read a second time on Friday, even at a
late hour. Ile would then fix a day, certainly before
Whitsuntide. for taking the Committee pro forma,
when he would state the alterations which he should propose.
The Bill as altered would then be printed; and at least a fort-
night would be allowed for the profession to consider the
measures as altered, before the details were consid:red in
Committee.
Mr. WAKLEY did not offer any objection to the present
arrangement, as it was the promise of the Hon. Baronet to
have the amended Bills printed, and to give the profession
and the House a fortnight to eonsider the amendments.
After a few words from Mr. HUME,
Colonel WOOD said the Hon. Gentlemen the Member for
Finsbury ( Mr. Wakley Iliad a motion on the paper for to- morrow
night, respecting the constitution of the College of Surgeons,
and he hoped he would postpone it. He should regret any
measure that would estrange the great body of medical prac-
titioners from the College of Surgeons.
Mr. WAKLEY said he should postpone his motion.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the Hon. Gentleman had done right
in postponing his motion, beause existing circumstances ren-
dered such a course necessary.
Mr. ACLAND said, if medical men would do their duty
they would not be aggrieved by the acts of any persons over
whom they had no control. He thought the College of Sur-
geons had done their duty, and ought not to be aggrieved by
violent and intemperate language such as the Hon. Member
for Finsbury had used tow ards that body. He hoped, when he
brought forward his motion, he would be able to prove some-
thing more substantial than the words he had uttered conveyed.
Mr. HUME thought it unfair that his Hon. Friend should
be charged with using intemperate language. If abuses existed
in the constitution of the College they could not be remedied
without inquiry.—( Hear, hear.) They wanted to arrive at the
truth, and the best way was to deal fairly with the subject.
Many persons were in the habit of charging others with using
intemperate language with regard to matters of which they
were ignorant.—( Hear, hear.) If, on inquiry, the College of
Surgeons were found to have conducted their affairs in a proper
manner, he should be the first to praise them for it.
The Ilouse then went into Committee, and the Bill was read
a second time.

Dr. BOWRING moved that Mr. Richard Yorke be sub-
stituted for Mr. P. M. Stewart on the Cummittee of Colonial
Accounts.

The motion was carried, and the House adjourned at Twelve.

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.

FRIDAY, APRIL 18.
The following Bills were referred to the Select Committee
on Standing Orders :
Frisk Great Western Railway (Dublin to Galway).
Waterford and Limerick Railway.
Gloucester and Dean Forest Railway.
London, Worcester, and South Staffordshire Railway (Ex-
tension from Dudley to Wolverhampton).
East Dereham and Norwich Railway.
London and Croydon Railway (Orpington Branch ).
London and Croydon Railway (Maidstone, Ashford, and Tun-
bridge Branch).
London and Croydon Railway Enlargement.
London and Croydon Railway (Chatham to Chilham Branc).
South- Eastern Railway (London and Greenwich Railway
Widening and Extension).
South- Eastern Railway (Tonbridge to Tonbridge Wells)
Chsrnet Valley Railway.
Cambridge and Lincoln Railway,—Petition for addi-
tional provision ; referred to the Select Committee on Peti •
tions for Private Bills.
COMMITTEES ON PETITIONS FOR PRIVATE BILLS
FOR THE ENSUING WEEK.

South Eastern Railway (Hungerford-bridge to Chilham, with
Branches).
South Eastern Railway (Lewisham to Tunbridge and Pad-
dock Wood).
Shrewsbury and Grand Junction Railway.
Diss, Beccles, and Yarmouth Railway.
Tottenham and Farringdon-street Extension Railway.
Diss and Colchester Junction Railway.
Birmingham and Gloucester Railway (Gloucester &c., Exten-
sions)
Birmingham and Gloucester Railway (Worcester Deviation).
Birmingham and Gloucester Railway (Wolverhampton Line).
Birmingham and Gloucester Railway (Worcester Branch and

Cheltenham Extension).
Midland Railways Company (Birmingham, Gloucester, and
Bristol and Gloucester Railways Purchase).
Aberdare Railway.
Guildford Junction Railway.
Londonderry and Coleraine Railway.
Londonderry and Enniskilien Railway.
North Wales Mineral Railway.
Liverpool and Manchester Railway.
Liverpool, Onnskirk, and Preston 'Railway.
Liverpool. Ormskirk, and Preston Railway (Skelmeredale
Branch).
Staines and Richmond Railway.

TUESDAY, APRIL 22.
Birmingham and Gloucester Railway Acts Amendment.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 23.
Goole and Doncaster Railway.
Bristol and Gloucester and Birmingham and Gloucester Rail-
ways.

2. Mr. T. D. Arland (West Somerset),
3. Hon. W. Cowper (Hertford),

4. Dr. Stock (Cashel),
5. Mr. Thomas Baring (Huntingdon),
to whom they have referred the Bills and pntjects comprised
in group E., viz :-
1. Northumberland Railway.
2. Newcastle and Berwick Railway,
3. Newcastle and Darlington Rail Way (Brandling Junc-
tion),
4. Neweastle•upon-Tyne and North Shields Railway
Tynemouth Extension).
The Select Committee will meet on Tuesday, April 29, at
Twelve o'clock.
A Committee of
1. The Hon. H. Liddell (North Durham)—Chairman,
2. Mr. Christopher (Lincolnshire),
3. Sir Edmund Hayes (Donegal County),
4. Mr. Entwisle (Lancashire),
.5. Mr. H. R. Yorke (York),
to whom they have referred the Bills and projects comprised
in group G. and G 2, viz.:-
1. Bristol and Exeter Branches Railway,
2. London and South We3tern Railway (Yeovil Exten-
sion),
3. London and South Western Railway (Hook Pit
Branch),
4. London and South 'Western Railway (Basingstoke,
5. Wilts, Somerset, and Weymouth Railway,
6. Southampton and Dorchester Railway.
The Select Committee will meet on Tuesday, April 29, at
Twelve o'clock.
A Committee of
1. Mr. Hawes (Lambeth)— Chairman,
2. Viscount Emlvn (Pembrokeshire),
3. Mr. Smollett (Dumbartonshire),
4. Hon. F. Charteris (East Goucester),
5. Mr. F. French (Roscommon),
to whom they have referred the Bills and projects comprised
in group 0., viz.:-
1. Trent Valley Railway,
2. Churnet Valley Railway,
3. Grand Junction Railway (Potteries Branch),
4. Tamworth and Rugby Railway,
5. Manchester and Birmingham Railway (Macclesfield
Branch Extension).
The Select Committee will meet on Tuesday, April 29, at
Twelve o'clock.
And a Committee of
1. Mr. Hayter ( Wells)—Chairman,
2. Mr. Langston (Oxford), _ .

3. Mr. Vernon IGtrcourt (Oxfordshire),
4. Mr. Sturt (Dorsetshire),
5. Mr. Plumptre (East Kent),
to whom they have referred the Bills and projects comprised
in group U., viz..—
; 1. Hull and Gainsborough Railway.
2. Great Grimsby and Sheffield Junction Railway.
The Select Committee will meet on Tuesday, April 29, at
Twelve o'clock.

THURSDAY, APRIL 24.
Glasgow Harbour Union Railway.
Bristol and Gloucester Railway (No. 2).

FRIDAY, APRIL 25.
London and Brighton Railway (Dorking Branch).
Harwich and Eastern Counties Railway (No. 2).
NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL OFFICE.

FRIDAY, APRIL 18.
Caledonian Railway,—Committee on Bill, Monday, April
28, at twelve.

Clydesdale Junction Railway,—Committee on Bill, Dion-
day, April 28, at twelve.
Scottish Central Railways,—Committee on Bill, Monday,
April 28, at twelve.

The Committee of Seleution have appointed the Select Com-
mittees on the following additional groups M. Q. and 00.
to meet in the week commencing Monday, May 5.

The following is the List froi
lected to serve on those Hai
mence their sittings in the v
Mr. Bramston
Mr. lirotherton
Mr. Collett (Athlone)
Sir Thomas Colebrooke
Mr. Evelyn Denison
Sir C. Douglas
Mr. Divett
Viscount Duncan
Sir Thomas Esmonde
Mr. B. Escott
Captain Gladstone
Mr. Charles Goring
Sir J. Hanmer
Lord Hothain
Mr. Hussey
Mr. G. W. Heneage
Viscount Ingestro
Earl Jermyn
Mr.. Hope Johnstone
Mr. Kemble

n which Members will b. -
iway Committees which aOht-
reek beginning Monday, Way 5.
Mr. Labouchere
Mr. Lockhart
Mr. Lindsay
Mr. Macaulay
Mr. Mundy
The O'Conor Don
Mr. Stafford O'Brien
Mr. Ord
Mr. Pusev
Sir J. R. held
Colonel RoHeston
Captai❑ Rous
Mr. Sheridan
Sir William Somerville
Sir George Staunton
Mr. Villiers Stuart
Mr. Shaw
Mr. James S. Wortley.
Captain Wemyss
Mr. Charles Wood.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.
Sub-Committee (No. 1.)
This Committee, consisting of Mr. Pakington, Mr. Forbes,
Mr. V. Start, and other Members, met yesterday.
ABERDARE RAILWAY.
This is to be a branch line of eight miles in length, com-
mencing at the -Navigation House station on the Taff Vale
Railway ; cost 50,000!.
Mr. Venables submitted the necessary formal proof, and
the Committee decided that the standing orders had been
complied with.
LONDONDERRY AND ENNISKILLEN RAILWAY.
The length of the line is fifty-seven miles, and the cost
450,000/. Engineer, Sir John MeNiel.
Standing orders complied with.
NORTH WALES MINERAL RAILWAY.
Standing orders complied with.
Committee (No. 2.)
WEST YOKKSHIRE.
The names of the Committee are—Mr. P. M. Stewart,
Renfrewshire, Chairman ; Mr. Moore O'Ferrall, Kildare
Mr. Redington, Dundalk ; Mr. Rice, Dover ; Mr. Trotter,
Surrey.
The Committee having remained in deliberation for some
time, admitted the parties shortly after one o'clock, when
The CHAIRMAN said that from the mass of business before
them the Committee had resolved to take the lines in the
following order :—They would first take the Heywood branch,
from Manchester to Leeds; then the line to Burnley; then
that to Manchester and Huddersfield; then the Dewsbury
and Leeds; and then the West Riding and West York-
shire Bills; and when those should have been disposed of
they would take up the Leeds and Thirsk Bill.
A Learned Consisan having stated that he appeared for
the Harrogate and Ripon line, by which all the traffic on
that line would be conveyed from Harrogate and Knares-
, borough,
The CHAIRMAN said that what had fallen from the
learned Counsel convinced the Committee that the course they
had resolved upon to adopt would be the most convenient
one, as it would have the effect of relieving the town and
the city of a great number of people. He HOW would beg to
express a hope that none of the Learned Counsel would
introduce any topic that was not distinctly relevant to
the subject, because, do what they (the Committee)
would they would be obliged to sit there for a length of time,
and at much greater inconvenience than those at the other
end of the room. He hoped also that the counsel would
give the Committee credit for being in possession of
such local knowledge of the different lines, the population,
traffic, &c., as would render it unnecessary for counsel to
enter upon what he might call the A B C matter, and thus
not substitute tongue for time.
Mr. HILL said, that as he was placed in the unenviable
position of senior counsel here, he begged to assure
the Committee that he, and those who acted with
him, would be far from doing anything from sordid
motives, and would therefore do all they could to facilitate
the business before the Committee; but he hoped the
Committee would ask the House. of Commons for the dom.
meats on which the Board of Trade had founded their report
upon this line.
The CHAIRMAN said there was an order to that effect al-
ready before the House air all proposed lines approved of
by the Board of Trade.
Mr. Hienvann then proceeded with the case for
which he appeared as counsel. He had laid before
the Committee the plan of the Manchester and Leeds
line, except the Bury and Heywood, which, if ex-
tended about four miles further than it now did, would give
a great facility of access from a number of towns to the main
line. The town of Heywood had 15,000 inhabitants and
Bury 24,000, and both towns had extensive cotton manufac-
tures, and the line had been approved of by the Board of
Trade.
Mr. Hayle, a witness, was then called, and his deposition
was to the effect that the present roads between Heywood
and Bury were very hilly and inconvenient.
Mr. Sergeant BELeasis opposed tho line, on behalf of the
Eyre and Caldon Canal Company, on the ground that the
line would injure their traffic.
The CHAIRMAN said it appeared to him that the object of
the Learned Counsel was to prove his locus standi here.
Mr. HILDYARD said;that the line did not cross the canal at
all, but ran parallel with it.
The CHAIRMAN said the opposition appeared to the Com-
mittee to be very far fetched, and was matter more for con-
sideration when the details came to be discussed, than at
present.
Captain Lawee, manager of the Manchester and Leeds line,
deposed that there was a very extensive traffic between
Heywood and Bury, and that there were very large ma-
chine and wool manufactories in each town. In cross-ex.
amination he said he had never seen an agreement by the
Manchester and Leeds Company to pay the Eyre Canal
Company 40,000/. a year.
The CHAIRMAN said that all this appeared to be irrelevant,
as the question before the Committee was the proof of the
preamble of the Bill.
It was then agreed upon to admit the preamble as proved.
The Burnley line was then taken up, and Counsel con-
tended that its necessity was so apparent that he need not
take the trouble of proving it, and, as the Bill was unopposed,
he would proceed to call his witnesses.
Mr. John Moore deposed that Burnley was divided into
two townships, one of which contained 19,000 inhabitants,
and worsted and cotton mills to the amount of from 500 to
1,000 horse-power. The proposed line would considerably
diminish the present cost of the transit of goods.
Mr. Ilepwood, cotton spinner, corroborated the last witness.
Counsel said that this was all the evidence they intended
to offer on this line, and would, therefore, proceed to the
next—namely,
LYNN AND ELY, ?AND ELY AND HUNTINGDON
LINES.
The Committee appointed to investigate the merits of these
lines met yesterday in Committee-room No. 11.
The Committee were Lord Palmerston, the Chairman, Mr.
R. Palmer, Mr. Leslie, Mr. Wyse. anti Mr. F. Berkeley.
The Lynn and Ely line was first considered. The princi-
pal petition against it was that of the Middle and South
Level.
Mr. Austin, Mr. Sergeant Wragham, Mr. M. Smith, and
Mr. Baggerly appeared for the Bill.
Mr. Talbot and Mr. Paget appeared for the petition.
Mr. AUSTIN stated the case for the promoters of the Bill.
He said that the length of the line between Lynn and Ely
was 26i miles. The population of Lynn was 18,000. There
was a branch to Wisbeach, the length of which was 106 miles.
The population of Wisbeach was 12,000. There was also a
branch line, called the Harbour Branch, of seven-eighths of
a mile ; the total length of proposed line was, therefore, 37i
miles. It was also proposed to make a line from Elv to
Huntingdon, and front thence to Bedford. The length from
Eiy to Huntingdon was 25 miles ; that made an en-
tire length of proposed line of 62i miles. It was
proposed that both lines should be placed under
an united management. The levels on the line were good,
the gradients were good, and it was a line on which no
such thing as tunnel; would be thought of: With regard to
the trade at present, it was carried on by navigation, by
means of four rivers, the Cam, the Ouse, the Lark, and
Little Ouse. Now with regard to each, and several of those,
he would show that the navigation of them was slow
uncertain, inconvenient, and expensive. If the Committee
looked at: the map and considered the position of the
northern counties of England, that the commerce with Lynn
was earned on through the town and port of Hull and
Gainsborough, and thence by sea to Lynn. In this way the
passage was made to Lynn, and in this way the
traffic in manufactured goods, as hardware, was carried
on. There was also a considerable traffic carried on between
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16,000/. from the profits on the carriage of coals, slates, &c., and
27,000/. was expected from the carriage of passengers and
traffic. The only substantial petition against the line was
that of the Middle and South
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Cambridge and Lincoln Railway,—Committee on Bill,
Monday, April 28, at twelve.
Bristol and Gloucester Railway (No. I),—Committee on
petition, adjourned till Monday. April 28.
Great Western (Ireland) Railway (Dublin to Mullingar
and Athlone),—Committee on petition, adjourned till Wed.
nesday, April 2:3.
Sheffield and Rotheram Railway,—Committee on Bill,
April 28, at twelve.
Newcastle and Darlington (Brandling Junction) Railway,
—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve.
Newcastle and Berwick Railway,—Committee on Bill,
Tuesday, April 29, at twelve.
Grand Junction Railway,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday,
April 29, at twelve.
Preston and Wyre Railway Branches,—Second reading,
Tuesday, April 22.
Exeter and Crediton Railway,—Second reading, Tuesday,
April 22.
Bristol and Gloucester Railway (No. 2)—Committee on
petition postponed from Tuesday, April 22, till Thursday,
April 24.
Eastern Union and Harwich Railway and Pier (No. 2),—
Committee on petition, postponed from Monday, April 21,
till Friday, April 25.
Bridgwater Navigation and Railway,—Report, Monday,
April 21.
Harwich and Eastern Counties Junction Railway (No. '2),
—Committee on petition, postponed from Monday, April 21,
till Friday, April 25.
Monmouth and Hereford Railway,—Second reading, Tues-
day, April 22.
Vrighton and Chichester (Portsmouth Extension) Rail.
way,—Second reading, Tuesday, April 22.
Scottish Midland Junction Railway,—Eecond reading,
Tuesday, April 22.

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY MORNING, A PREL 22, 1845.

was the substantial ground of objection, but as they were
not in a worse position than any others in this respect, and
as it is not a Parliamentary ground of objection, they further
stated that the Bill contained no provision for the protection
of their works, and for the drainage. But the Company
were ready to make any reasonable protection that might be
thought necessary with regard to the branch to Lynn ; it
crossed a bit of land belonging to the petitioners, and that
was the reason they Game there.

Mr. C. Willett, Mr. Ile), Mr. Cresswell (banker, of Lynn),
and Mr. Charles Berners Preston, were then called by Mr:
Austin. The result of their testimony was to show that the
proposed line would be of the greatest benefit to the town
and neighbourhood of Lynn.
Mr. TALBOT said it was not his intention to object that
the town of Lynn would not be benefited by a line of railway
between that place and Ely.
Mr. AUSTIN would be obliged to his Learned Friend if he
stated then what his objection was.
Mr. TALBOT said the time for that was not come, but he
would tell his Learned Friend that he had a very substantial
objection.
Several persons were called who proved that the navigation
between Ely and Lynn was liable to be stopped in winter
and summer, and caused great injury to persons engaged in
trade. Others were called ho proved that the proposed line
would be of the greatest advantage to the agricul:urists along
the line, who on an average sent up 122,000 head of sheep in
the year to London at a cost of 3d. per head, and an average
of from 170 to 200 beasts at a cost of 2s. 3d. per head.
Mr. Rastrick, engineer (examined by Mr. Sergeant
WRANGIWI) said he surveyed the line in question, and con-
sidered it the best that could be selected for a railway line.
fTehreerien‘tyheereleialostenwgiituheetrhheanks or the navigation. Theyigb difficulties. They did not inter •
had bridges, but they did not interfere in the least
with drainages. lie went over the line with Mr.
Brunel, who was employed on behalf of the Bedford Level
Commissioners, and they agreed that not the least injury
would be done to the batiks, or drainages, or navigation. He
had calculations of the expenses of making the line. The
engineering cost was about 248,826/. The cost of land was
about 51,1741. The line was made with a view to a double
set of rails, but only one set of rails would be laid down.
Mr. Sergeant WBANGHAM said that the Company would
consent to the usual clause of laying down the double set of
rails when the Board of Trade required it.

The case for the promoters of the Bill having closed,
Mr. TAI-nor said that the time was now come for him to
state his opposition to the Bill, which he would do in a very
short time. His Learned Friend might have sent him away
from the Committee, if those whom he represented made
compensation to those whom he (Mr. Talbot) represented.
He did not mean to deny that a railroad com-
munication would not be greatly beneficial to the town of
Lynn. lie did not rest his case as a competing case, for he
admitted that in that view he would not have any locus
standi before the Committee, but on the peculiar circum-
stances of the case. The objection then was that the loss
which would accrue from the means now possessed
by the parties for whom he appeared being taken
from them, they would not be able to keep up and
maintain the cuts made for the drainage of the country,
which was so necessary even for the railway itself, for that
was the point. The Commissioners of the Eaubrink
works possessed an income of 11,801/., their ]abilities were
9,0001., leaving them a balance of 2,800/. They would
loee or e-half their navigation tolls by the rail War,
and the residue would be totally inadequate to the mainte-
nance of the drain. The South Level Commissioners had a
total income of 5,050/., and their liabilities and expenditure
was 2,350/. They would lose 2s. 3d. of their navigation tells,
which would be equal to 1,9004 leaving them a balance
of 450/. The consequence would be that a large
acreage tax of probably 9s. or 10s. would be
imposed to keep the drains in a tit state. This was a pe-
culiar case, distinct from the case of a turnpike-road or a
canal, and he hoped he had laid a :uffiaient case before
the Committee to establish a claim for compensation to be
derived from the unestiinnted profit of the Railway on an
average of three years.
Adjourned to 'twelve o'clock this day.

OLDHAM.
Oldham was divided into two branches—namely, Oldham
proper and Mumps, and the question now before the Com-
mittee was, to carry on the line to Mumps.
Two witnesses were called, who deposed as to the utility
of the line, and said that the population of Oldham was
24,000, and contained several manufactories, the transit of the
produce of which would be greatly facilitated and cheapened
by the proposed line.
Mr. Sergeant BELIASIS said he held in his hand a docu-
ment which, he contended, was an agreement, signed by
Cartain Laves, entered into by the Manchester and Leeds
Company, to pay the Canal Company a certain sum. If the
Committee should be satisfied that that was a valid docu-
ment, he would propose the substitution of a clause in the
Bill remedying this crying evil.
The CHAIIIIKAN said the Committee were unanimous in de-
claring that they had not the power to insert any such clause
in the Bill.

Mr. Sergeant BELLASIS said his clients would then try
their clause at another tribunal.
All the clauses were then, with some verbal amendments,
agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN then announced that the Committee would
go no further than this Bill to-day, and to-morrow, at
twelve WClock, they would proceed with the Huddersfield
and Manchester line.
Mr. BAINES begged of the Chairman to procure the order
of the Speaker of the House of Commons to compel the at-
tendance of certain witnesses upon the West Yorkshire line,
who had refused to come.

TROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF TESTER DAY.

The Committee on the C group of railways, consisting of
Mr. Barneby, Chairman, Sir W. Clay, Sir Winston Barron,
Lord Dahneny, and Mr. Somes, sat this morning in
Committee-room 14, on the Huddersfield and Sheffield Junc-
tion Railway.
Mr. WHATELEY, who was assisted by Mr. Baines and Mr.
Yates, appeared for the Company, and after a brief opening
address, relied on the Committee allowing the preamble of
the Bill.
Mr. TEMPLE opposed it on behalf of a lady named Horse-
fall, but was not prepared to sustain his objection, in conse-
quence of his client not expecting the discussion to come on
t o- day.
This objection the Committee overruled, although
Mr. WHATELEY expressed his readiness for an adjourn-
ment. Miss Horsefall's petition was the only one against
the Bill, and the Company were ready to make her any rea-
sonable compensation for the injury she had sustained by
the line passing through her garden. The Company were
willing to give her 2,0001. for the injury done to her property,
while the loss sustained could not -be more than 3001. ;
altogether Miss Horsefall valued the property at 6,0001.
It was clearly an exaggeration, but the Company
were willing to bear an extravagant charge rather
have their prospect impeded, and if the petitioner
chose to appoint arbitrators, they were quite willing
to abide the decision. Though ready, therefore, to postpone
the consideration for the Committee, yet he thought that no
great loss could accrue from proceeding.
Mr. Thomas Smith, solicitor, was examined on the sub-
scription contract. By his statement it appeared that there
were fifty-two subscribers to the undertaking, all of whom
were locally interested. The amount of their capital was
37,850/. ; and, besides these, there were 106 other share-
holders, whose subscriptions amounted to 90,150/.
After a statement from Mr. Sutcliffe, who proved that the
line was likely to be beneficial to the town of Huddersfield,
Mr. Charles Cope was called; by his statement it appeared
that the long traffic would be 21,881/., and the local receipts
47,9531., which left a net revenue of 41,9901. That was pre-
suming that this was the only line between Huddersfield and
Preston, but if the Huddersfield and Manchester Railway was
carried out this amount would have to be altered. There
were two Bills before Parliament, of which this was one.
The other was the Manchesier and Huddersfield, which was
an extension of the present Manchester and Leeds line. By
the promotion of the proposed line a great advantage would
be obtained in the facility of intercourse with the north-west
Districts of the country, and, by that means, even were the other
line formed-a profit would accrue to the company of more than
three times the loss which they would sustain from the local
competition of the Manchester and Huddersfield line.
Mr. Locke and Mr. Gee, the engineers, were examined as
to the difficulties of construction, and from their evidence
it appeared that the works would be of a difficult and expen-
sive character, in consequence of the abruptness of the coun-
try, and though therewould be both tunnellings and viaducts,
as well as deep cuttings, yet that the estimate was up to the
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ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.— On Sunday, the 19th
inst., a gentleman, a passenger to Bristol by the twelve
o'clock down-train from the Paddington terminus of the
Great Western Railway, discovered, shortly before the
train arrived at Slough, that he had lost bis purse con-
taining Bank of England notes to the amount of 9001.,
besides 01. 10s. in gold and Bs. 6d. in silver. Immediately on
the arrival of the train at the Slough station, he proceeded
direct to the office of the electric telegraph, in a state of
very great excitement, not knowing whether he had been
robbed of his money in the railway carriage or had lost it
before he entered the train. Information of the loss was
instantaneously transmitted to the superintendent of the
telegraph at the Paddington terminus, who immediately pro.
seeded to the booking-office, where the gentleman paid for
his ticket, where the purse and its contents were found un-
touched. Within five minutes from the time of the loss being
made known at the Slough Telegraph-office, the gentleman
had the satisfaction of knowing. by means of this extraordi-
nary invention, that his property was safe, and shortly after-
wards he received it by the following train.
DREADFUL ATTEMPT AT MURDER AND ROBBERY
AT BIRMINGHAM—EarIy on Saturday morning adreadful
attempt at murder was made on an elderly woman, at
her own residence, in Cleveland-street, in the above
town. It appears that the old lady, whose name is
Askew, is a widow, who lived by herself on a small
income
derivable from mill power, which she let off to a
number of tenants. On Friday evening she left home to
visit her son, Mr. Askew, the landlord of the Leopard,
in Brierly-street. She remained there until near eleven
o'clock, when she returned home to her house and went
to bed by herself. About one o'clock some thieves
removed the shutter from the window of the back
kitchen, and having cut out a pane of
glass, th broke
off the inside fastening, and effected an entrance into the
place. They then proceeded up stairs, taking with them
,y
a large poker, and entered the bed-room of Mrs. Askew,
and struck her a violent blow on the head, and two other
severe blows on the hands. Fortunately, however, this
violence did not take the desired effect, and the poor
woman violently screamed out, upon which the robbers
made their escape out of the house, having broken open
some boxes, and ransacked the place below in search of
money, which the well known habits of Mrs. Askew
had led them to expect. A woman
who lived in the
house adjoining Mrs. Askew's, heard the screams, and
went to the old lady's assistance, and found her literally
covered with blood, in a very exhausted state. A number
of police officers were s eeilil on the spot, and tracked
the thieves out of the housey the bymarks of blood,
which they left with their hands, but they could not,
however, get any clue to their retreat. Mrs. Askew
was the n removed to the General Hospital, which is close
to her residence, and there she received every necessary
attention, and afterwards gave such information as
enabled the officers to find concealed in her house con-
siderable sums of money. Fifty sovereigns were found
secreted in her bedstead, and a few sovereigns and silver
in other parts of the house. It was no doubt the
knowledge that the old woman had the money con-
ealed, which led to the dreadful attack upon her life,
although it would appear the parties had no knowledge
of where it was concealed, or they could have obtained
it without difficulty. Mrs. Askew is still in the hospital,
and the officers are actively engaged in search of
the
offenders.

LOVE AND FOLLY.—In an action for breach of pro-
mise of marriage, Commins v. Willesford, tried at Exeter on
Saturday week, Mr. Justice Colerid.ge, in sutnming up, said
that he believed the love letters of the cleverest men never
did much credit to their heads.

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

GLOBE.—Whenever Lord John Russell shall bring on for
discussion his Resolutions touching the condition of the
Labouring Classes (which stand at present for the 1- t of
May), we hope the House of Commons will be induced to
give to the whole subject a fair and earnest discussion. In the
entire range of English politics there is no question more
vitally connected not only. with the general welfare of the
State, but with the well-being of every particular interest of
whieh it is composed—than what shall be done during the next
ten years towards elevating and improving the condition of
the great mass of our population? It may not be easy to
answer it—but it is obvious enough that it must be
answered, and that without much further delay. Taking
only the commercial aspect of the subject—con-
sidering the labouring classes only as they are sub-
servient to the support and advancement of English
commerce, their condition urgently demands, and
affords scope for, very extensive improvement. The minute
arid extensiverarliamentary inquiries instituted during the last
few years into the sanatory state of the populous districts in
which our e'lief manufactures are carried on have ieeele gene-
rally accessible a large amount of new and valuable informa-
tion concerning the merely physical causes in operation affect-
ing the health, morals, and general intelligence of the
working classes ; and we believe that among those
whose attention has been directed to the results of these
inquiries, no doubt is now entertained, that, indepen-
dently of all other measures, the condition of by far
the greater portion of the inhabitants of these districts
admits of very material improvement by the adoption
only of arrangements for the better construction, cleansing,
ana lighting of their dwellings, and supplying them more
efficiently with air and water, Serious difficulties, it will be
said, present themselves iu the application of these new ar-
rangements. This, of course, must be anticipated. There
are difficulties in the way of every great im-
provement. The first and greatest will, in this case,
probably be found even in the habits and prejudices
of the labouring. classes themselves ; and others may
arise from an occasionally necessary interference with rights
of property found to be identified with the continuance of old
arrangements. But there is nothing in these, or in any other
obstacles which can be fairly anticipated in doing what is
most clearly expedient for the improvement of our large towns
and popul us districts, which ought to stand in the way of
an immediate commencement of practical measures. Free
trade—emigration—education—have each their special op-
ponents upon grounds more or less tangible, and, for one
reason or other, perhaps, not easily dealt with ; but it is not
very likely that any influential class or party will be found
to offer any serious opposition to the better lighting,
cleansing, and ventilating of the working man's dwell-
ing. It is, we believe, only necessary for the middle and
upper classes to earnestly devote some little time and
attention to the subject in the exercise of the Legislative au-
thority, imperial and municipal, which has been placed in
their hands for the benefit of all, in order to carry into effect,
within a few years, every one of the recommendations hi.
therto offered to the Legislature by the Health of Towns
Committee. It is the more important to direct public atten-
tion to this portion of the physical aspect of the condition of
the labouring poor, as it has evidently not yet received
nearly the consideration it merits. Not only is defective
sewerage, ventilation, and cleanliness constantly marked by
the prevalence of fever among these subjected to its in-
fluence, but it is productive of indirect effects upon the
social economy of the population, which, though
less obvious, are still more important and extensive in
1 their operation. It is now established beyond doubt, that,
chiefly from this class of causes, the lives of labourers and
artisans are commonly shorter by one-fourth, or even
one-third, than those of the classes comparatively
exempted from them. And during life, besides the
suffering endured by the individuals, a large additional
burden is thrown upon charitable institutions, hospi-
ta!s, and dispensaries—whilst the early death of
parents leaves a great number of children without t
natural guide or protector, diminishes their chance of
receiving a proper training, facilitates their falling into
crime, and in some shape or other almost inevitably makes
them a burden on the public. A diminution of bodily health
and vigour tends everywhere strongly to the destruction of
habits of industry, and interferes, with overwhelming in-
fluence, to prevent the development of that intelligence,
independence, and spirit, which the friends of the working
classes of society so much lament their want of. Physical
produces mental depression, and the mind shares the dulness
and apathy forced upon the body. Thus, the lowest stage of
wretchedness is usually accompanied by the least sensibility
to it, and often by an entire absence of desire to escape from
the consequent degradation.