The Sun.
London, England, 1842-03-18 00:00:00

Putrid
powerrot Which we could, at any meMent, have it in our
to sui„„,erY taxes to the amount of 20 millions a year
eager 7 ‘ththe necessitie.s of a state of war—the know-
tholigb nould have incalculably increased, and
still in.cal,T.ry.ally and to a certain degree trenched on, will
Jlably increase the weight, the name, the power,
all nikence of this country in all negotiations and
the „,edings with other nations ; and the power and
o, 'fence which this country may possess, which Ole
• .to
ru'esa, and which, I trust, she ever will
ratal ,„ .ls 1011 g as that moderation and justice
'this .yeethatery and mercantile spirit in which
to posirilsesrae power is wielded, shall entitle her
to 8, tt---and not an instant longer ought . she
thaktehe.:' it as long as she firmly, teme-
'4 Aviliese, that power and influence, the continuance
woriti never will be grudged to her by any part of
rtlies because all nations will respect the use she
p,tuti; ite,re'srohrte(e Noble Lord concluded by moving his
of b That a direct tax upon income ought
to, unless in some great emergency
e affairs, when an extraordinary expenditure
re aee(ne unavoidable for a time, or in some pros-
'istainPll the finances of the country, which can be
ed by no other means."
Ziolie Earl of RIPON was not at all surprised that his
udderbrin,qand of
Friend had felt it to be his duty to
Nr
~ tile consideration of the House, in the man-
tiaestio,,• wttleh he had done, the very important
thejn%aid," 'which their Lordships might have hereafter to
;ander circumstances much more unfavourable for
`'''•
:te9eration than the present occasion. He (the.
iliPou) well recollected the course taken by his
eeMeaellid"reed Friend in 1816, when he had sue-
-I,llpe halueing the House of Commons to object. to
-• tlifliv,,Lr continuing the income tax after the cessation
tilere fin":' 411(1 although speaking of that transaction in a
Dtll_,tertab;4lc,i,_al point of view, he (Lord Ripon) might still
;fiend's- ~,,1410 belief that the success of his Noble
stgravatee"rts on that occasion had contributed to
t?.6itioti
i 1 he
subsequent difficulties of our financial
'"hle (Lord Ripon) could not think that his
eourz,l i'riend had not been justified in taking the.
did.--(llea,r, hear.) He agreed with his
nt the tae
'flend in all that he had stated as
insoy lieeessity of reserving that which he had so
raue
ssiii,d 8. splendid resource for the time when a
Re° neCessity should force them to have recourse to
boldly
g,?.ye his Noble Friend full credit for his
"uldly 4,411 regard to this motion, for coming
ablitt• I.,°r,ward in the manner he had done,
*leeelte,'";vrtitg in the face of the country
b,,Napp;s4,,Y for this measure, the effects of which he so
-eelated, and the character of which he had so
414 11111 Y described. The Noble Lord had admitted
f the
th • Imposition of that tax was necessa
auhoti lutersst
, almost for the safety of the• country
could deny the general truth of the second pro-
-11„t1th ()st- aza there were many other things conveyed
hs-ere()„ propositions which he thought as abstract truths
70sts 11,44 undeniable, as well as many of the, argu-
„mac, which 'his Noble Friend had supported those
But he must confess that he could not
thee- to his mind the adoption of these resolutions
'
ti ;,eel' Wstate in which this question presented itself ere w,
-ally propositions in the clear, aumenta-
o4ed eloquent speechiti of the Noble Lord, from which
evj dente° Id dissent. No one could deny the almost.
iso the :1 proposition contained in the first resolution
„41 tlen7,;clitae. He could not agree with his Noble Friend
llraelt-741g that it was a convenient, or a judicious, or
int andeahle and useful course for that House, upon the
44the-noUncetnent of a question being brought forward
to House of Parliament, immediately to pro-
they 10'"orees...,ord a delibera,'„,,, set of resolutions, which, if
Pyott them, might turn out ultimately to be in-
sakilstent with the Bill which the other House mighta_
v'tp, to them, and place them in the extr
redielta,„-I' he was going to say, the ridiculousßi
nteki,s-kient or either being compelled to reject that 11
NeY he it was not founded upon the principles which.
°Wil 61 solemnly recorded, or else to retreat from their
Itinin't)tertinly recorded opinions, and accept the Bill
tutliillt the principle which they had previously declared
Loth
.1
that eng to it. It seemed to him to be impos-
-1(34,0-4‘ business of this kind between the too
latters
-a could be safely transacted upon that principle.
1:z
had hi of that kind, connected with finance,
e Friend laid it down as a principle that theydeal" right' having claimed and never abandoned it,
oak; with tax bills by alteration as well as rejection.
Prudent or judicious rigidly to exercise that
neol,:ll,'t would they not be exercising it in the most
t'4llLtent manner by resolving that a Bill upon a
:11aht-74r subject coming up from the other House
aat s- bfounded upon certain principles? .Vas not
a„ 7111 g to the House of Commons, " Now, mi▪
nd,
profess an intention to alter your Bill ;
_we
qoiati..n3 right_we know that you deny the right. W'y'e
411e'ut to have a collision upon that point, but. mi▪
nd
tairl YOll beforehand that your Bill must contain cer-
'Or jercpositions. and be founded on those proposititohnss;
!oak will not receive it ?" It appears. to
an exceedingly awkward and inconvenient
his
,-,isx„°l)-,,lseussing questions of that kind in that House.
, 3thig• 'e Friend had referred to certain cases. as parallel
Nalv-*L The first was that of Lord Grenville, and, cer-
ae 'e agreed with his Noble Friend that there never
the (LttlY man who more thoroughly n
rgh,..`"nstitutional doctrines that belonged to the
usages4rl4,ol, and privileges,
.of the two Houses of
he nor one more. unwilling to give, up what was
ho
u-11'' just in principle. A Bill lsraaab rothueghhtmiinseto_
g()1(1 ben Rouse fur the purpose of regulating
the Ring. Now, his Noble Friend said, that
4'te ,d Grenville did was -to Move for a Committee
ttp,'Ate Bill had come up from the other House.
'e
BROUGHAM dissented.
Earl of RIPON said that it happened. that the
pree4ittle up the same day. But the House rejected the.
Itit)11°I. s.-tt'on, and that
_of his Noble Friend was.
'neovenient than Lord Grenville'e His Noble II
oa:itZlitlexpeakeot
to spowkheoseof a Noble Lord now no more.e I(',6stkesition it 1
Was painfitlllbtloierespciixtri,tfaronndi thaalevnlittgansodraemeeina
meant' Lord Holland ; but the case of
tly
(:04`11 nollaaid Was not parallel to this. The House of
.inions entertained a measure for the purpose of
Out
of the , Consolidated Fund loq,oo_oi.
lx,Q,,trile Purpose. of increasing the livings of the
Nao, eergy, Lord Holland did n
ta(„ that this was an improper Bill, but but he
h n • 'll ther in the pro-
1-erty e a ‘.,ommittee to inquire m e
"111 d ;41; the Church itself, there could not be
.I red means of doing that which the, Commons de-
,42llztt did do out of the Consolidated Fund.
not interfere directly or indirectly with the
eothie`!, of the House of Commons. There was
this tut that Committee which necessarily pledged
ptle'ese $° that
to dissent from that grant. That
did not bear a parallel with the
114801‘11-,,ta'ne- He (the Earl of Ripon) felt . himself
*hiebhie from entering into the topics on
ueONoble Friend had enlarged. He entirelyi
cot t° ed with his Noble Friend, that Parliament oigret-
'3orted",ave recourse to such a resource as at present
by Goverment without the greatest pressure. of
!is This was one part of the subject on which
tie (+lt'oble Friend had laid considerable stress.
tosele Earl of Ripon) did not advert to it for the pur.-
ueeau°st; discussing the
.matter, but
.he. adverted to it
Elinone of hisHon.'riend s restrictions referred to it
i:evied-eant the machinery by which the tax was to be
hard Noble Friend had. described the
the •83 and the severity, and in many cases
aceortl!ljustice to which persons might be exposed..._
ti c% ,itig to the manner in which this inquisi
111;c1 -"fluid be carried on ; yet his. Noble Friend.
th -° resolution upon the matter at all.
titilteetlisae°:tigplhdtiheneemy_i ht not proceed at any length to show
ogf adopting his Noble Friend's resoluse-
their the course he would therefore prop()
the "ei;r.., Lordships, was to adopt the motion of
:1;11eri)-,evtetts question, which he meant to make.
NT.l4t, es,l-44,cie other topic to which he would refer, and.
Friers
satisfaction which he, in common with his
''t3'le -rtend felt at the announcement of her Ma-
Nee through the Minister, of her willingness to
all'hjectt herself to the same burdens as her
4,e8 •
.0
(.'"for the purpose of making up the
„1,, the revenue, vhich they had all to regret.
;Pon that
say that he felt as strongly as the Noble Lord
subject, although he could not de-
eve,'
that
gratification so eloquent. He be-
4ialetixilhht,t):adt,tihtehefree was not a man, woman, .
or
r 4oth, tu not feel that gratification. He concurred
,r olze:ervation of the Noble and Learned Lord,
lin of other nations of the. world.
113', When -* vie` • d eh
power and resources of this. couni
-04, ), I6u"h‘ ea
taxt could be imposed in a time o
'an he could not help thinking that such a course
be
calculated to establish
.a good
i':41(1" ta"io_thi cotry among. foreign nations, and
last he them feel that we were not
lito '''ed with. -Altogether, he would be. the
‘iats saes
to break the spirit of friend-
-4114 etici
Mllo.4..earn confidence which the Noble
'l4O I ed Lord had so well described,. and
14"siti1 (Lord Ripon) firmly believed to be the
La' the powers of Europe and elsewhere,
an concluded by moving the previous ques-
thatf'-s
411°4 a
ateetai'e'v words from Lord BROUGHAM, in reply,
a rat. of the Earl of Ripon was put and carried
rrd atiI,,PITCATION IN IRELAND.
tainz -h''NTCASHEL moved for certain returns
r-14,-eeilloard of Education in Irelaud.—Granted.
after
Eight Clock. Ps then adjourned, at a Quarter

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MARcn 17 .
lONS, °'IILIV I'EAlt°FtookCOthilerC2l'hair shortly before Four
, .ertiti lsio o It returns were brought up, and ordered to be
th Alrllttiler,table.
on .Jtaadi Orders. -
-144
xr-:Q.`e,s3,l-TRngTbrougt up the Report of the Com-
-411 lilull la OF ENGLAND RAILWAY.
tclual,
,zi. lzstnEn presented a petition fromto
prevent
4tta'N'ing the interference of the House
(41: Violations of the rights of property by the North
4gr,laad Railway Company.
_P!i" an indi-
.
Th,"ol-4,ASOOW La al
INSURANCE BILL.
bfio'al,Row Life Insurance Bill was read a stim e.
~,r. (4Q"„"RGII AND GLASGOW RAILWAY. City
iL V,' ''ALD moved that the Members for the
and
-„44attri,l,_'''''', and for the counties of Dumbarton and
‘41a5k,,,,".b
.added to the Committee on the Edinburgh
%: 6D'al„,lwaY 13i11.
-4111% —c4l\•E said that an application of a similar
to , 4ferr ),P.; l'elatioa to the Severn Navigationßill, had
Hon.
44,4' last session ; and, therefore, he thought the
.e
t°,ladale.l,7 Glasgow ought to make out a strong case
1,,., alr. (j'ill.„,a liouse to accede to his motion.
0(1 ti:" WA said, the Railway went to Glasgow,
411-
‘‘'Nl I.°lll a grCat portion of the county of La.,ark.t
hitcl 44 t eluse to -the county of Dumbarton, and as i
tc)antm,,,ll 4ferred to the South East list, no Members
alittee. -,-, with those places would serve upou the Com-
• kr. E or,
SI'"1-7RT said it was true the Bill had been