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GRANTHAM ELECTION,

Dr. PHILLIM0111: moved that the Resolution of
the Committee appointed to inquire into the
merits of the Petition complaining of an undue
Election for the Borough of Grantham, be read ;
which' being done, the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber observed that his object in rising war to pre-
vent. other persons from falling into the delusion
which the Gentleman (Mr. Hughes)" had dine
whose election was declared void by the statute
of William 111. prohibiting the treating Of voters
or giving them money under the pretext of in-
demnity for loss of time. In his opinion, it was
equivocal
.whether the treating of voters or giv-
ing them money under• the circumstances men-
tioned was bribery or not, according to the
,Statute in question." He certainly was not quite
satisfied on the point in question, and therefore,
with the view of giving a positive interpretation
to the Statute, he Should now move the follow-
ing Resolution :----
" Resolved, "That the practice of treating, or giving
money to voters by way.of-inde-rouity for loss of time, is highly
illegal, subversive of the freedusi of ditction, and tends to
most daozerous corruption."
Mr:ABERCROMBY thought the Resolution al-
together objectionable. It was declaratory on.a
point which, even according to the acknowledg-
ment of the Hon. and Learned Mover himself,
was doubtful. ,
Mr. WYNN said there could be no dmibt that
giving money, or treating voters, in such cases,
amounted to bribery, according to the Act.
_ Mr. WROTTESLEY was of opinion that a doubt
did exist, and the present Resolution not being
sufficiently explanatory upon the question, he
should`oppose it.
Mr. W; sitsivx differed with the Hon. Member
who had spoken last. It was because a doubt
did exist, as admitted by the Hon. Member,
that he (Mr. Smith) thought the Restilution neces-
sary. _ _ _

Mr. AnEttcrtOmny explained.,
Mr. LOCKHART said, in the course of some ob-
servation's, that even if the Resolution should
pass, it .was probable that the Judges might -Isot
agree to it ; as a mere Resolution of that House,
could not be held-binding as law.
Mr. WARREN. was firmly persuaded that no
ResolutiOn of this House ought to controul an
Act of Parliament. Besides, the words of the
Resolution were vague and indistinct. A mea-
sure of this nature required serious deliberation,
and'he should therefore suggest to the Hon. and
Learned Member the propriety of withdrawing
his Resolution.

Mr. WYNN, explanation, contended, that
every payment to voters, no matter how it was
described, was illegal.
Dr. Putm,imonu replied.—He never had
any doubt whatever, nor even a shadow of a
doubt, that giving money to voters was to all in-
tents and purposes illegal, according to the Sta-
tuteof William the Third.

The House then divided, and the numbers
were—

Ayes • •66
Noes
Majority for the Motion
Mr. BENNET presented a Petitign from an in-
dividual:whose name we could not catch, that the
Short-hand Writer who had attended the Police
Committee; might have leave to give evidence in

an action against some Middlesex Magistrates.
Leave was given accordingly.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE gave notice, that as he
foresaw great inconvenience from the Resolution
which had Just now been passed by a stria!' Ma-
jority) he should in the next Session again call
the 'attention of the How to the subject.-
(If
Mr: BROUGHAM rose in pursuance of the no-
tice he.had given, to move " that leave be grant-
ed te her Majesty's Law Officers, Members of
that House, to plead as Counsel at the Bar of the
House of Lords against the Bill now pending
against
,her Majesty, under the particular cir-
cumstances of the case, and upon an understand-
ing that the said leave be not drawn into prece-
dent in time coming for permitting Members act-
ing as Counsel generally in the House of Lords."
—With reference to the Standing Order of the
House, the Hon. and Learned gentleman said,
the House Would see the necessity of making
some salvo in granting leave on the present. occa-
sion, such as. was implied iti the litter part of the
motion. It was to be distinctly understood, that
the Members pleading in the Hause of Lords on.
this occasion, were not to vote on the Bill in the
event of its corning:lnto that House.
LOrdCASTLEfiEAGII said; that he did not mean to
object to the 'motion, as it was but fair that the
Learned Gentlemen, who were atquainted with
the case of the Queen, and the materials for her
defence, should Ire at. liberty to plead her cause
at the Bar of the House of Lords.. On this
ground then, he. thonght the House would not
hesitate to dispense with its Standing Order.
But it must. be felt that the same dispensation
should be granted in favour. Of any
.other Bar-
rister who was a Member of that House, and
whose interposition in the proceedings of the other
House might be deemed necessary with a:view to
the attainment of justice.. A similar delicacy was
indeed, in his view, so obviously just, that when
the motion .before the House was disposed of, he
should also move that his. Majesty's Attorney and •
Solicitor-Generals should be also allowed to
plead at the Bar of the Lords upon the proceed-
ings with respect to the Queen, with an under-
standing, however, that in this case, as. well as in
that oldie Queen's Attorney and Solicitor-Ge-
nerals, that if the Bill of Pains and Penalties
should be brought down from the other House,
those Learned Gentlemen should not vote' up-on-
the subject.
Mr. W. WYNN said, that from the earliest
period, it appeared to
.be the practice that no
Members of this House should appear at the bar
of the House of Lords as 'advocates, without the.
leave of this House. There were several cases
in whichsuch leave was granted, beginning in the
reign of Elizabeth', but they were always founded
on special and necessary grounds, and accom-
panied with the reserve of not voting. if that
were not the case, it would produce extreme in-
convience ; for it would be impossible that Gen-
Itlemen could come with impartiality to the dis-
cussion of a Bill here, against or in favour of
which they acted as Counsel at the bar of the
other House. This reason indeed was stated as
the ground of the Resolution of 1666, which
might be considered as declaratory of the law of
the case. In private Bills the inconvenience.
would be particularly felt ; fOr if Counsel, who
were. Members of' this House, were allowed to
appear as advocates in those Bills at the bar of
the Lords, it might happen that they would be
retained in such cases merely to procure their
assistance in this House. After the Resolution
in 1666, such indulgence was- frequently granted ;
but it was also the ground. of much dispute be-
tween the two Houses : for as it was essential to
the authority of every Court that it should have
the power of punishing its practitioners, the Lords
claimed the right of confining some. Members who
acted at their bar in that capacity. This was
another inconvenience, and it tended to restrict
the indulgence to cases of appeals. The last
leave of this kind was given, he believed, in.
1710. Under these circumstances he thought it
would be better to add to the motion the words,
" that the same should not•be•drawn into prece-
dent," and to add also, that the application was
made 46 under the special circumstances of the
Case." With these gnards•he thought, the House'
might safely grant the permisSion to her Majes;
ty's Attorney and Solicitor-General ; but - he
thought that the King's Attorney and Solicitor-
General did not stand in the same light. The
King was not a party in this case, and he did
not see why his Majesty's officers should get
a permission of this nature. As to her Majesty's
officers, he did not see any objection to the mo-
tion, if it should not he brought into a precedent.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he had no kind of ob-
jection to the introduction of the words 'proposed
by his lion. Friend, and he accordingly inserted
them in his motion.

After a few words from Mr. BANKES, the
question was then put, " That leave be given to
her Majesty's Attorney and Solicitor-General,
Members of this House, to plead at the Bar of
the House of Lords, under pie particular circum-
stances of the case, against a. 43i1l pending in that
House concerning her Majesty the Queen, and
that the same leave shall not, in time to come, be
drawn into a precedent.'-'—The motion was
agreed to. •

.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the King's At-
torney and Solicitor:TGeneral were not exclu-
sively- the Officers of the Crown—they were also
the Officers of the Public ; and as they were call-
ed upon to advise the Government in the pro-
ceeding now pending,- it was, he thought, most
fit that they should be enabled to appear at the
Bar of the Lords in support of the Bill. Also, if
the Bill should come down to this House, it would.
perhaps save much time, if there should be two,
Hon. and Learned Members on one side as well-
as the other, who, from their previous examina-
tion-. and . cross-examination of Hthe witnesses,
would be . able to make the House acquainted
with the whole merits of the case. :The Noble
Lord then moved for sianitar Leave) with the same

reservation, for his Majesty's Attorney and Soli-
, citor General.
Mr. W. WYNN saidx it certainly appeared !,ot
him that the motion.. of the Noble Lord mig"
frequently he ,drawn into- precedent, for there
might be many Bills in which the 'tate would.be
.concerned.
Mr.' OUGHAM_ could have no ago *b__J
. . _

,a(thais. nap sh9Pis
b allowed to oppOse,hinklf and his colleag!ifa
at the bar of the Lords. lit ht. could not avcd 5
concurring with his Hon. kriend, that there
.'6a,
.some difference between the grounds of this 110
tion and that which he himself had brought Pr"
ward: At the Came time he had no objectiOn
tQ
the niotiott:.
After a few words in explanation from -1,6i.c/
Castlereagh and Mr: W. Wynn, the motion was
put and zarried;
Dr. LUSIIINGToN then rose, Arid said, that be
had been honoured With the Commands of he
,ir
Majesty,
.to assist her Majesty's_ Law Officers '-
pleading against the Bill concerning her IViajes-tl7
now pending in the louse of Lords; lie there'
fore moved for leave to
_appear at the Bar of t'•:-
House of Lords, in terms similar to those used 1°
the above motions.
Lord CAStLEREAGH said, that for his part
-would feel bound to give his consent to a motioo
of this kind.' for any professional individual will
might be called on to assist in the case allude'
to. At the same time it should be understood t°
be a matter of faVoUr.:
Sir T.MAcitikTos'it 'Said, that in the pre°.t
case he thoughtthe request was a matter ofjusei
tice, not of favour, particularly when it-was ask
by a Member of so -confined a bar as that
which he belonged. '-The indulgence was o°'
asked on general grounds---the . grouuds Wers.
special, war so stated.
Mr. W:. WYNN ,Itivougtitth4t •-,there iyerz .n.
-
speciai circumstances ,iu • the. present applicatiO?
to distinguish it.froin airy OtheF case.- f
- Mr. B.A.NIC-gS apprehended: that the adoptiOo °,
the present motion would open too wide a de'°'
fOr*:the permission of Barristers Who were MO:
be of that I-louse, to.pleact hi the- other Tiou'v
upon Divorce and, otheit,Piiii' ale Bills. If sucks
t
motion Were agreed to, he ' felt indeed that
would-be i raid to provide that it should not 13
drawn into precedent.
The motion was agreed to, coupled with t"
provision that it should-not be drawn into pre
dent in any other case.
(For theltiidariWr of the Progeeitiogs ottlie House of cers"
pious,,--sec the Fourth Pagel

LONDON JOURNALS.

[DULY E.Y-TR4CTS,]

FROM THE MQRNING PAPERS OF THIS DAC'

[Morn Pos tel
THE -QtlE EN:

The most atrocious placards continue to, be
gratuitously distributed, the undisguised obie-e-,
of which is to inflame the rabble, and by intiff's;
dating witnesses from appearing, to stop at 00e
the course of impartial justice. But these 10,
and infamous arts, thoughsupported and encouoos/
ed by the unprincipled and pandering pOrtion,ir
the Daily Press, will recoil upon the heads of till
mischievous authors, and Truth and Justice 111
be more proudly triumphant .than if they -hate
not had so much of weak villainy. :grid iizfainp,
encounter in the fait march: • in -the extreiri4
of despair, we understand thit the City- RadiOst
meditate a Petition. and Remonstrance Wit's(
the Bill of Pains and-Penalties, iipo-n-the
pretence that as the ;King is interested in te,
result, his- Majesty .is not constitutionally:Go-1 0
tent to give his Assent to the Bill afterit rod
have passed both Houses of Parliament,- ape
therefore that the validity of the Divorce reai,al
disputed by the Minor branches of the
Family in the event of his Majesty giving ll'
c•
self an heir to the Grown in direct line of 5°
cession.

[Morning Chronicle.]
The Alien Bill was read a third time, and „t
sed in the House, of Cominans last night;
of the comparative - which this I,f_ti
portant measure has been, allowed to pass thr°'ii--c4
its different stages, mint, no doubt, be attriDfthe
:.tO the earnestness with which the attention of
lidos
whole country is fixed on one subject a -
exclusively. Indeed the principal discussiOnsed
the, present occasion was caused,by,the prat° fo,
provisions to remove obstacles- in the way 0%.01,
reigners giving evidence in- the-ease. of the (due
0s
WeAre afraid we must now consider this mea-51:‘,%J•
part of our permanent system. It isnot evenPre"do•
ed by Ministers that the Government of this Li°-
acll'
try has any thing to apprehend from the "1"
nations of Foreigners, or that they can renclerff
aid to the disaffected of our own subjeas•
eriv
only.Qbject of. it is. to afford .aid
,to the Gr°cteo
ments of the,Continent. It is a part of the sY
bf the Holy Alliance, to which Lord Castlere
has pledged. the Government of this Collol'ooo
the struggle 'Aich has been...going on for
t sad
time, betweenthe People ,of the Continellot
their Rulers, it is well known that the Goverli o;tot
of,this Country has uniformly taken part agatije,
the -People. Whether this is really servilli
Continental Governments themselves may vv.; tho
doubted. Whatever tends to confirm them
idea that they can brave the demands of tne,P 001
for improvements and reform, and to, lea" the
to resist all such demands, is only pfl
'' ac;
way tor their more certain' overthro‘V. l.
ies pa,
cession to their strength, from having t froT
by their subjects :that there is no' asylum
their resentment, is more imaginary Lila
This is, however, one great object of the 7 the.,
Bill. While such a Bill exists, it enable'tbeir.
Continental Governments to hold out to, thesubjects, that they are no where liefon°
reach of their power. •

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