The Sun.
London, England, 1820-09-19 00:00:00

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as ai.- Hon. Goiltleman btO :said of hlm, that his
conduct Was disgracolui. to him us Attorney-Gene,
nil; he would sa', that it ivotild fun•,`Li een dise.rac4.,
fulito hint to,...haye shennk frt•iii-his,iditty,Wltether
he had disg-Nt',4o himself-it-AronlA be•-fszt pos ity
a lid pi4Atpil qa.Fve4.4 • d'xidtp.',sA4?,,e pre b
' ' gniticd.t be House Arbuli.l 7.g-ire-him ;Wei- io s-i-irt- . t
he should feel 'infinitely more•disgraced by the
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approbation of th•ht Icon. Genkleman than by any
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ttlingWh it h hadstiefoceurred. -- '
Mr. HumE copteikited,,that the Gallant 011icer
i,iho.was accused of draggingethe house into this
diiscussion did not merit reproof.
,It,int,tl *en
brought beTore 'the. Ilo•Je -by' those `oPpds'A•to
' the Queen. He believed the proceedings to
,ori,
ginate in a• foul conzpiraCy, lie concurred With
his lion. Friend in thinking that t.he-.Attorrici,Yl
• Gencial had degrMled• biles:Al*. Wriieit:ihe said
this, he wOuld• ask tho .Atturney,Gefiel'al one
' 'question. Why had he 'dared' to..',v2eetise • She
14ueen of carrvin, on an interceurse for six
years, and then not prove,that She had done so
for more than three ?—(A laugh.)-LeThis- 'he
• contended was a slUnder on her Majett;y;
w rich slander had 'been followed up by the'
Solieitor-C. eneral, who ltrd declared the charge
oreferred ' by tlle ..,kttorney,Genera! to, be
I proved.l (•:‘, laugh.) Though some mig-lat'
think that he had been tricked' :into adinis-•-•
sionethata4ultery..had been proved for three
years, he defended the words he had used.
as bringing the question to •one point,. .- He
thought the Solicitor-General had lowered him-
' self by statingthe chaige to have been proved.
The House Ottalit to fool: befere they de-
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Cideu at;ninst/ any thing- that might put a stop to
zhese disgitstrul midi infarnons proceedings. By-
this he believed the country wouldhinnediatelv
be tranquillized; and he declared that iflie Were
on :....Jury he Would acquit` that woman: Though
he- had been the first' to name" her in that House;.
on the demise of the CroWn, he had always bee::.
'cautious of giving an opinion on the inerits•of the'
case till the evidence to be prOduced •against her
ways made public. As a Juror in this case, he !Jo_
leinnly declared, before Cod anti his conntrv, that
he should deem is his dutyto acquit the accused. Ile•
certainly did exi-:)eet that more damning facts Would
have come ,out: But what had been-adduced.?.
Was there one respectable man in 'England.' or in
F.ifi•ope, who had been brought forward-to state
one single circumstance of weight ? Where- had
the N-oble Lord mid the Right Hen. Gentlemen
on the other side acquired' their knowledg of the
charges they bad,brotiklit against her Majesty,
and which they said were so notorious all over
the world beforethey came to their ears ? If they
beard them fromreSpe-ctable persons, why did they
not produce those persons ?•' His principal objec
tibia against the Amendment was, that it went
to take from her Majesty that opportunity which'
she now had of rebutting all the foul charges
Which had been heaped 'upon her: This, if she
Were not - prevented, there could be no doubt
She would be able to do; and ho foresaw no
olistacles that could arise to prevent be.ri but
what might spring front this Government... Who-
ever witnessed the manner in which our Ministers.
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at various Foreign Courts pos'iessed the power of'
engaging Foreign Governments to act as spies,
could not doubt their influence itt;obstrnicting the'
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progress of her Majesty!s defiinci.' 'fie had in
his hand a letter, whielistated that tier Majesty's'
Agent, Mr. Henry, admitted 'by Ministers to be
the accredited Agent ofher Majesty abroad, had
met with great impediments' froth the Officers of. •
Foreign Government's, and had reason to believe
that more would be thrown in his way. Whilst' '
passports were'granted without difficulty or hesi-'
tation to others, every impediment was thrown in
the way of thOse who wished toobtain them for
the purpose of corning to this country to give
evidence in • favour of the Queen. He was
ready to prove that four out of twenty-ToUr of
our evidences who had tendered. their services to
disprove the testimony against the Queen, bad;
by the machinations ,of Colonel. Brown, been
prevented- froin coming. He was not one of
those who thought that the House of Lords would'
find ber Majesty guilty ; and after her proofs,'
to rebut the charges against her had been heard,
he was convinced aide House would neti'er be

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i•oubled with the proceeding at all. lie Was

therefore against the amendment.. Before he
concluded what he had to say on this Subject,. he
was, anxious to km* whether GovernMent meant
to issue orders to cause to be detained all those
persons who had given testimony against the
Queen. He thought this the more necessary, as
he understood.that'Rastelli, an individual who
had been very active in.his exertions against the
Queen, was.already on his route to Italy, where,
no doubt, he was to be employed to prevent the
witnesses .for her Majesty from coining to th•s
country. 4 This man he Understood was astable-.
bey in his, own country, but became a gentle-
as others before hina had done, 'as soon
as he arrived here, when no doubt he lived'.
npon the fat of the land, and had by this time-
hiid by a- considerable sum. If the same fa-
cilities were enjoyed by "the Queen, every
charge Would be
disproved. Ile could not, how-:
ever, list this moment pass without declaring his
conviction that the whole proceeding Sin this foul
conspiracy
,\“)uld end, as- that house had said
they
.inust„" derogatory, from the dignity of, the
CroWn, and injurious to the best interests of the
country.", lle «as so firmly 'perSuadedof- this,
that, he.reconunended:his Majesty's Ministers to
look to the consequences or their O-Ivn deeds, and
to take care how they continued in the same
course much longer. What had already -gone
forward of these filthy :proceedings,. had done'
more harm to the country tban. ten such Queens
as ours was repreSented 'to be could do. POr
the Queen's actions Were so little. known, 'that
her accusers were not able to bring any evidance
with respect to her' co:iduct. for the last three
years,
.And:, yet this was called a matter of
State, necessity ! So far from upholding the
State, in his Opinion, this poi:ceding had.
done more to degrade Royalty than any thing
which had happened within his recollection.—
And the plotters and abettors of it were more
chargeable with treason -than any of those who

had Composed Certain Meetings -Within the few
latter years, which had been called seditioacix,
and, for which they had beepunksheed • wittli,
death. The 1 ws were equal to" it 'O, and.
hNitooKnoleas -4y- av* ver sholekbe'lla.Pge'r
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aaj.:t klsiN.Vl s.r to - 440-14asA.--tEatiP
'jt4ii.)-lot only in this country was this.measure
viewed as degrading to Nonarehy, and_p.roduc'
:five of, the greatest harm Lbtie‘Ve4eie-a6fun /11
the: lattgehing-stack-zrf..alle.EuroPe and 4-411e-1101r
Alliance, that t.igingle-lrornan. -should be able to
s 4 c,. 4.r 40 b.:l ce 'titta-Government,-o•tracked ,by-!t0.
wihole moans of •Milam He recommended also,
to the 1-)_,7-sons -5'116 werce at'the'head of- the pro%
ceedheos holds caste to refleliNn the'prObable
injury key Isere hdliciing..on religion. If, the/
began wite..ithing away one stone of the church#
they wet 4 'behig, destruction 'on tile'. wholg
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flu , editice they led the way to 'the-pullini
doeee all that expensive estMSiuneot, the churlli
of this country. It 'tV,a3 WenttiOV; /I thatTerigi6l
as:d mOrality might te-'meiritained withont ;all
tfieseiNenorulaus exponses,, whiehz -attended the
'Oxigting' ensttttitloes:;"i-.Hef re!i,6thinended- the
13 rshop.S. to lo ale to this-. e.,Peeilile;:—Let thou
'look at Scotland, where they had as nand'
mora-rity and. religion, with so' tv'uOb- less e"'
pence. With respect to 'the 'authors of•all:t111!
'mischief to the .cointtry,__ they . need _only wt"'
till they heard i'vbat Coloneleßrown,-the Noble
• Lord's brother, Sir -Will:am ATotirtotogetio4:
with others of our Ministers at Foreign Court';
had to say ; they need onlo- weit tilhthev loia
all their testitoony before. thein'te see whetlitr
the authors, of all, this mischief did riot deser4
iinpeachment. Before he set down, he entreated
liis Henourable Friend to . con: ithno whether 3
would be expedient for lln •to peess'his. at :fiend'
meitt, whiCh.only went to have the effect of de'i
Olivine., the Qeeett of the means of rebutting; all
the foul ealuemies apinst her ; and he repeated,
that when her defence was linoWn, even the ti:lo4
sceptical of those' who Fall,' 'an, adulterous lute'
eomese in-every motion she made, would-be coil'
viuced of their error. .
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Dr. Proti,mmonr explained. , .
Lord CA,sTeonootott- said he felt it necessary
totrouble .the „House with a few observatioto i
though indeed the present di3ctesSion-was'broiro3
forward on' ground's 'so inexplicable—the argtv
vents were so extraordinary—that one could nq
tone know well' hoW to -meet them .. but 'the ae a
Manner in which the• sentiments •of .Gentlemen
were expressed:teridered. them •the less:• dang,e'
roux; they were roptenant to every fair •toiud',
He was quite Stire that -the good sense Of ifii
Country would lead every impartial 'person
reject with_ disgust a
the monstrous tiaaner .it
treating a proeeeding now- under judicial inquir,'
in the other. House ofParliarnent. It Wios Mal
to be lamented' that , the greatest and the ine-i
important inquiry that had ever been institute'
'for the sake of letblic justice, and for the Sake ei
the character and morals. of the Couotiv,esbouf"
be thus dragged into 'ail incidental discussioo id
that House. He would not dwell on til
romantic and judicious spirit which. actuated
an Hottourable—Member. that tie,let, when he
rose, to remark on the proceedings in the
other House of Parliament, when. he bl'onol/
for Ward the charges .of partialitv-L•aboVe ail
when lie iniPeached the House of-Lords wii`'
having browbeat the Learned' and Hon°, vlr
rable Gentlemen ivho appeared at their Nl'
ps. the Counsel of her Majesty., That detds:
ration of the Honourable Gentleman was quit.'
enough to spew the temper in which those oly
'servationsweremade. lie would turn from tit/
and appeal' to the good sense of 'the HouseoVhic:
must have been shocked and disgusted to thin;
that there were persons in this country .wilj
could allow flit-1r tempers so to controul °..0
disgrace themselves. They might attack puhil-5
measures, but' the' happiness of the public 11,
beyond their reach.—(Cheers from the Opivsii
Lion.)—He• denied. that there was any ground
whatever for assuming that the Hoe had e``„
declared itself against this inquiry-thattltie'i
Lion, indeed, had never been brought than isss ;
he would. have clone so, if necessary, but it t''`'..
. . it
not necessary, because the proceeding ells-Some Je
practical shape' before 'the other- branch of tit
Legislature—for seeing that it would tay,e til',
shape, proceedings ' were stoSpended for the e-tt.
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press purpose of' permitting an inquiry in t!`a,
shre,-)0 in the House of Lord's; rather than an" 111
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quiry before the 'Reuse 'of Commons. Sq
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'however, from. the House* having declared its e
against inquiry, it had, orithe contrary, three(
tunes adjeurned, On the eXpress coritemoltioli,
the proceedings in.the other House. The. fittoo i 1
and Gallant:General hatpledged himself, that .
the , Lords- should send doWn the Bill, he vrcire,
do all in• his power to oppose . the - Legislate
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Hewould, *of' course, pursue' the line of c be
duct that he might think fit; but this iol i
(Lord -Castlereagh) would Say, that it '4Ortioo
not raise ' the' Gallant Officer in the ()pi.' be 1 ,
of that . House or of the country, if- lie `-..
should fulfil the pledge which'heehad given•
del
could- not 'refuse the Bill L—he could not de to
bart
it might
_oppose it, if 'he 'thought fit; ,015
discharge the' Bill was not' in his power. It 111
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competent for the Peers to send down that
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and the Heuse would be bound to-dispose veal
:in some .wev or other. iut-the•fate of the. or
would not .depend upon the Gallant Officer' 01'
the judicious Friends by whom,he was•surrei; De
ed. If the Bill should come down, it sh"lt tlis'
disposed of ; abut it would, he hojied, be tteJ
posed of dispassionately, and fairly decidec" co'
it Wouldnot be decided without any previousveer,
sideration at all—without 'any inquiry wha,,,7-estl
as the amendment of the Hon. Member for do
minster would dispose of 'it— They could i:
clpies
so; unless, they ran counter to all "'the pried c)
Which gelded' thern heretofore. He (Lor °site,
might refe,r, to the state of the benches oPP: 010'
and ask' us Nether the .11ouse should'at thiteistiori
relent decide, on• a' ,irave and important q" ode'
in the manner "that:' the Honourable e Ge 013
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man would_ wish to have •itedeCided?' -Ite
Queerif
be an injustice with respect to the the ad'ad'
whose legal advisers they had not ',Rye
vantage of hearing that night. Though