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14, ,35 been sfrrounded by ii:flicultics, and he did not. see
alii,Zirion to rinse ti fili•uilies in any i f the i 1 epositioiis
lihith tilia',l ever been male to Parliament. The priac4iie
Nallii,ht? wl re now ariplyihg had been used ever since the
limn ti;. slit of the reformed religion in this country It was
ii,,,at:ertyaatilit,h.dattetlie univ,rsi"eQ colleges, and schools of the
er, founded, and' if it were ci asigeil they would
Ntitr alter the whole .tyi.ti-n of ecciesia-i:cal polity in im.
toer4,l'.atid interfere with every sect of seta:jou% stiiinicia in the
lihipdrYt Accurding to the o;i-ion of his Noble Friend
Ate ob. 'in the ceurse was perfectl clear, but he thought that
he which his Noble Friend wished to serve would nor
re en They might go ten years back, or a hundred
IVlid he feared that his Friend's- position would not be
red.
I,j Earl of WICKLOW' had thrown all that overboard.
iei 4rbuie of WELLINGTON was glad to hear that he
litelt tilwit all that overboard, for he feared that if he went
ro„id,7l.lir 200 years, or as far as 300 years, or as far as he
kaki It Position would be the worse the further be went
0 Was rasher 1. 41 a curious assertion that the estab is -
14ppettit this institution was inconsist- nt with the Oath. of
ita, ty. ae,,,Ts Now he himself had taken the Oath of Supre-
'4 14 'Do State had imposed that test, ant he asked
be it 0)le Lord to c,riFult the Acts of Parliament, and
)op, rid find man • which,'while they stated that the
,tkltiethadisnot,. and oughtl not o have. any power or jurisdic-
7s,t; realm, never stated anything which made it n-
-414,4%;a them to give a
grant tor the purposes of the Catholic
Whet% ,How, he would ask, could it be a breach of oath,
544 t,,,,,, cow he
themselves knew, that there were many
tsfite, the oath of allegiance, who never took the oath of
N. Y at all ? tie thought, if the Noble Lord had
tes into the . .
ieet t, original statutes of the year 1795. he would
t'ae he studeuts and all who were employed in the college,
'ltrer the necessity of complying with the provisions of
~,and 14th George 111., to testify their allegiance.
114°Ittd41721p these
this measure, for he considered that it Wtiites
"tltte,tr with the most beneficial results as regarded I
hillllite Earporidition of the people of Ireland.o
t,
,tebe' 1 WICKLOW explained reference to the
„Nei,
,taken for the endowment o the Catholic Church
p,.. ''''. li,'"Luiett he had referred in his speech a few months
'404, - `4°tteht that if a measure of that kind were not
ittki i(faie infinitely more dangerous would be favourable;rijttel ~thel did net take advantage of the present
044,1' a demand would be made in a succeediog
N'o, -0 and from a source not at present antics-
isb!tuith would sap the foundation of the Protestant
tklittt la Ireland. He was perfectly aware that unless some
Lilittateelat're were ado ted —unless other measures of a con-
;, tendency succeeded the one at present before the
'44y:4.1'1,011e would not add to the improvement and tran-
iv that country.
IN 4fee words from Lord CAMPBELL,
011aL arauis of BREADALBANE said that he opposed
Opp",tie was desirous to redress every grievance which
tie
in Ireland, but he considered that every
• le 7redress brought before their Lordships should always
‘h, le°, those great landmarks and fundamental prim-
NI -c° existed in their own Constitution.—( Hear,
' lie thought' that the enactment of the Maynooth grant
a , "ateeded at first out of a spirit of toleration, as no
k
14,41011ege could at that time be founded according to
tie cat he thought it never was contemplated to perpe-
Lkse.grant, or to throw its support for all future time upon
ri,r of this country. One of the best bulwarks of the
strsttdeirii.g.hts of the country was the establishment of the
4 th eton, and if they sacrificed its interests they en-
at safety of the constitution. The Noble Locd
1td44114141,. td A number of documents to show that t. e
47 let:et-4 Parliament of 1673-1679 was summoned
k,,ttly pk)ned by the Prince of Orange and the people, upon
',.ekt Ipuestant principles, and proceeded to say that the
Oltft,„'ll Was contrary to the spirit, if not contrary to the
1,.' es,i; of the documents he had read. By the corona-
qt,t, chile, Majesty had declared the principles of the,t
tkLord,Preh to be superstitious and idolatrous; an:! :ee
lit'' ttlial'ixt called upon the Queen to give her sanction to
Oki .." P'oposed to endow the very same error. It there
eyekszl.tensistency in this, he did not know what consis-
Zttt . These facts ought not to be got over by an anehi-
V4of tritY, contrary to the declared sentiments
.of t. e
04 he ?gland, and it the safegu trds of the Constitution
01,4 Violated in this most daring manner, he did not
eh Government
would 'recome of the rights and privileces of the
Qliff:Trernment should dissolve the Parliament before
4'try ~-e4 this measure to pass, for the cons'ituencies of the
Zitsath""eld never have returned the present Parliament had
kti, Sikh remotest idea of the course they intended io pure
IN b a course was wholly opposed to the principles
114, ij the present Government when they came into
kittitttilp4: Wholly opposed to the opinions of
.his
te_ ~,. riends around him. It was a course digs
N:44 4 by nearly every European State in
41,.1114and he believed there was not a free and independent
tteip 40ristendom that did not renounce the monstrous and
few le eines to be found in many of the test and class-books
%11,0,15 an Catholic establishments. Having very imper-
,ni,..their Lordships in possession of the grounds of his.
11714tio',.t°the present measure, he would merely remark in
1,11114, that if these was any denomination in the country
a:144441°re right to complain than another of this measure,
fi;Stetio who dissented from the Established Church upon
4 %la' Principles. They had not only their own reit-
fkbtrllt "shments to maintain, but they had to contribute
IL to the Established Church, and now they were call, d
117 eate,.,Pay for the promulgation of doctrines to which
hei_lll4i,,-"tned strong conscientious objections.—( Hear.)
Is_Natir said that the measure which they were about
Vtedoas.wholly inconsistent with religious feeling. They
q. the ing a religion on which, as on the religion of Scot-
, ‘,14 beleat ncised no conditions—( Hear, hear) —and they
il dl'ebt ,L,se they would not destroy the grace and power of
ikiswi. would they tell the Presbyterians af Seotland that,
liil did ak their religion, they made certain conditions which
it, Th't call upon the Catholics of Ireland to subscribe
*®sassesoble Lord concluded by stating that he considered
►t'lls at variance with sound policy, wisdom, and. justice.
hilt 471 of CHICHESTER wished to say a few words
Vi4t7•l. tie give glee his support to the third reading of the
Lett should not enter into the constitutional question
4t7
ellti4 - been involved in the measure raised by the Noble
t.ie4, aatt, • v other Noble Lords. He could not see any
Is;Leßti ;,4etw%n the measure of 179), with respect to the
llaynooth, and the one before the House, which
but carrying out the liberal intentions on which
reedsso,,n, Was founded. Objections, he knew, were felt by
felt 1,": at ttd respectable body of their fellow-countrymen,
treasure tatiel'elt he wished to address himself. It was
eV Ofi th there were grave objections to the
fttieestahlill
tiliitiz
grounds. He differed with those who
No 4ie to th :,opinion as it should not be disc.ussed_with rhe-
lstQ's4eri see,ldgious question involved. But it must not e
,titei,-e *ht,- ,because he gave his support to this measure,
tlaro-tlts ofh`et:rous of injuring either the spiritual or temportal
t.'l4hse eat. his-Arend, subjects. Although h.e, in common wi h
hvok,'t c 'nerch efered with the doctrines of the. Roman
.411 - 4 hlireht 3 la siould not act as a Christian if he
.;,FlistlediZrnethtZet dneootenteZwn
he s: as anti-Christian.—( Hear, hear.)
had discnseed this measure were
.)tsle Int: go that length. He held that it was fallacious to
~, • %sett, to a religion which might be less
(killtriettes ez the one which we professed, but whose
p;) in -ere held by a great body of the people.
is -s or either teach the Roman Catholics by their own
Om tl, else they must be left altogether untaught. He
~.tlrtblere"e6,in'ioeastlre to be founded •n justice, and trusted that
Ne !ests' wed up by a corresponding policy on the part of
Ntie- 41 lif s, Government, that Ireland would be found Ca-
th7.lll:44aYing the blessings of civil and religions liberty to
tik_ty Were s entitled. He confidently believer! that if such
Nrilipr adopted that that country would be no longer a
Nit° ht"lera in British legislation, but an aid and a sup-
hrs. be - e°4otry. The time had gone by when Ireland
4ti'lled hgoverned by a hostile policy—when she could be
44,,,tt1b5il a military force, or be scourged into a tempo-
kll,7 it e°4• He should vote for the measure, as he con-
tat?. to Ireland.
ttii 41 ve °f ROSSE said he had resided in Ireland all his
tti',444(l as deeply interested in all that concerned that coun-
t t, h;.e4evine that the measure would be productive of
t.:.stile't•sh°lllll'give his vote in favour of the third reading.
'' ye vitne it was first tiro nsed he was of opinion that it
loft
th
much improvethePeduca'tion of the Roman Catholic
lot 114 Was, therefore, surprised when he heard it said
ybjet,t contained no clause for the purpose of effecting
Itbeai. They had a guarantee that the best education
NtaithWert to the students which it was in the power of
nth Cat -8 to impart. Those who had seen the educated
‘t, a kiholic priest,' and the priest sent from Maynooth
k,hp,L hernia, stuntd education, could bear testimony to
N,41 si'li,,etal effects of education' on the Catholic priests.
14," ~' that education would give power, and that that
he asi,i'ald be used aeainst the Protestant Church.
el,e4!t: a that that aratiment was welt founded, it would.
ilk ts to the most earnest consideration; but, in his
r,,„.ltett). sujit .an argument was totally unfounded. He
tVeil ~4 Nob', 'surds whether they had observed, in the
tille,ti'tkli...°;`n.,a° Cacho priest, priest, or in the priest sent from
1,14 aht ""in a stunted eel."catlon, anything hostile to the
irlti "itiltitstet:tqs'ion. 'Fherefore, i:okin to this quegion, in
titltt,,Olilf,e view, he should say, gs
did not think the opi-
4.
(~ tontroverted, that the Roman Us.
and 1-I`. .holic priesthood
kllt ?Otk,"°4l'l not be expected to oppose this 53 ste'.^l of educe-
c‘ll,4 theme Noble Lords had said that this measure would
kkill'ore
.eovs of the Roman Catholic clergyrne.tt:
Zalitth,,,;;;anting that this would be the ca e, he should wisl
itV4oot. ~,the revenues of both churches stood at the pre-
Jetsly the rev
thestihlated revenues of the Roman Catholics had been
lone time, and at other times
Opt
livl",osam thatataciciredoto attlae Established' Church. Ilhe
kkki the that the revenue of the Roman Catholic church
lit Ntay th revenue of the Established Church. But .
k, tsiNatin tin this measure there was not the most distant
tttlesikl n4l to an endowment of the Roman Catho-
tslreitY°ti, If indeed they gave the Roman Catho.
Itiee,, etsame ower that they gave the Established
iirlopskn
a_tin. en there might be some ground for oppose.
e,,,,ole,ripation had long existedlreland, and it had
Ztl.a *lithe been termed a religisins in Ireland,
This Inca-
But he was per-
-4s e
,„iltely to quell that. agitation.
Ny of ex:vare that this measure was regarded. by some
Old L'Ore shears
sectarian opinions as an evil, but he was
tiltte.:e en'nth.at by the general classes of the country. it
Itiakt tlt sidered a great boon. Now, he did think it
.trili sss(aulter the Roman Catholics h ld be
lot, tiqtit; "ear, hear) They would find it the onloyummeaannys
11:4,,lashigehtbsconeent and anarchy. There e.
144 ',Alit ,khe should wish to direct the attenv'tiroen ofl theso
tON4ittell4dolih",is, stage of the discussion he should not r o
.)e.
),, ,t -‘4 th t• however that eve man in Ireland must
rfo.
Iticiit;tld tinttnis measure, brought forward by the Gove
IS, i ft,Nlild by. the other I-louse, would conduce to the
Op tnkt i, appineas of that country. They is ere:
tI01‘; th." the ass this measure they might
sett 44,a1 thewinereyaseP ofd sec.tarianism, but is his
k 71iii tile ~ L, the very opposite would be the effect pro-
ksril ~,tnd erseeN°4s who guided the peasantry. of Ireland were
'itltlitkill 3....4 tireet men, who would look with Ivirror upon
Iti Itself ; "ears ) They knew that Ireland whild not
Is N'h 444 an independent nation, and that in connexu.n
ti:l4e, 4 Of n: country than this, could the public possess
antic! `,l,i'il and reli than
lolls liberty. The Noble Lord con-
Vtd '-'4d cheersgby giving his cordial support to the
tqN,,,et/sazs.,
4e,'tsr4th, 'ARTY defended the speech which he had
VS Oh 4,,, 'econd reading, and again referred at length to
'We rth turn,
fah Inel e pur nts from which he had quoted on that o. cca-
lON • whiesPose of exposing the pernicious and unchristian
Iti.Sy It to t'4
his alleged were taught at Ma)nootti. He
P0:4ola -Is euty to reject this Bill, and he trusted that
ta,'ls-1,4f it, t=ote when his countrymen would appreciate the
41',114-tierio, Reformation arid he able to enjoy them.
IV til, 1i10ri1,',,(4 LANSDoWNE did nut intend to take up
itiOre.ant. -,," of the time of the House at so late an hour
Lo43' he wtltt before he gave his vote in support of the
I,;sl4tah)4lvbh.ll,'"ed to make some observations as to the
`let, hot' to tot, he was convinced that this vote
.would be
tourlcl,,',,M e Peace of Ireland and to the security of the
Nts4ht4 'hY h h• He entirel 'concurred with what had
1:1,,l, 4:4,. of ehNa"hle Lord opposite (Lord Rosse) as to theili
lks'or gY, ,
_nog an educated instead of an uneo -
~lli,lllee,(4lvatic-:11 as to the other benefits which the
s,e'rit7,hiehl'ele `snood
Roman Catholic priests would have
trip", R 'ad I,'' coUntry. Whiqi respect to the distinc-
t:i ", Cot rnt is,,"'en attempted to be raises! between a tem-
''„44:ll,l ado,,", a Permanent endowment he must say that he
`l';',ele „rtti,-1., that the distinction was supported by the
14:4`i4Ae `44 -%,, had been so oaten referred to. if upon
MI d had
e/esposed to a grant, the difference of
t ofthe°tLaffect that principle. Nor could they shut
"'ring fact that there were seven millions of