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London, England, 1811-01-24 00:00:00

REPOPT.

couvr of CUANCERV, TAN. 2j. • This being the first day of Term, the Courts did
)t sit' till a line hour in the' da y . In this Court
eir Lordships heard 'the Repot. respea
°mins; and jtistifications of bail, till nearlying foutht.e
clock.

tent the a BIANDAuus.
pplication of Air. GARROW, the argu,
lt respeaing the Mandamus le the of'
ondon,respetAing the nomination to a Lectureihip
nne of the parishes in the City of London, was
(mimed to the gill of F
notions of ebruary next. Several
course were allowed, and the Court
Use tit four o'clock.

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coutur OF COMMON PLEAS.
The Judgcs of thil. Court, took their soma with
hp usual formality, After heating b,iil
justify, the
his
,
..,ourt rote.
Since idst Term, a book case has been
made in
Curt, tinder ,he feet of the Judges. t con-
:ainS Inany nvw voluineS of the Staiutei, &e.I of ge-
-441 nit) In Tract ice.

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hUBLIN,..boI. 19.

~mow.`
1 0 the Cnntinon Council y,sterday, an Addr,t;ss
DI eondolctiee Bcto his Royal Highness the Prince,
of VistAts was proposed by Mr. CRAVEN, 011 the
pretrit einnlrrAssing slate of affrirs, thanking the
Ptioet, tor has.ing accepted the Ilciii-ocy, crippled as
it wt i
'' by toe unconstitutional restrictions imposrd
by Pailimei.
Thr motion was supported by
tfr. WILLis. Mr. SINNOT and
Mr I)itysso oppo•ed it as prematute.—Pro-
uounctd ,io ealogittio oil the virtues a our
Sovi'tiign, awl contetided that .the Council would.
gracious
act ilidtClitlY ill 1)1E14.111 art
,Address at this tin)e : •
g
he suid that I
' M .
an its,. ajesty Would rise again like the
um, to set in glory,
.
Atter a sew words from 'other gentlemen who
seemed to think the address premature, Mr. HUTTON
rose and anti bestowing a high and merited p4ne"'
gyric ou the ,bestowing
who es a shat and son was a
It,lodel, concluded by agiering that the time for ad.
arelasiug was not hie tirest:nt.
alts
ri
aths seotiorent Ali. Harty concurrol, when,
. r I"W "hhetvations . Mr. Craven consented to
withdraw his (notion. ' '

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LI:ilk:ES, JAN, 21.
?'ht* atrocious disposition which had
itself stun° lime cgo in the northern part of the Pa'
manifested
tit!) of Maresheld, on the bord,rs of Ashown Forest,
by threaknine letters, and the burning of buildingl:
and stacks, has but
about one
at OuC afresh with double' vio-
lence, and on Thursday morniog last, •
Welot:k, the Parsonage addioini„,,, mare,field Church-
)131 'where tile Coate, the Rev. Mr, Bingham I*..
Sided,. Wob built' down.
Last year Air. I.inghtubis stables were destroyed
in like near
and, al suppose'because he hat!
endearoered to check the disorderly ctrd,ua°,
"ae of his to
but, noi'withsle"dmg. the
la%ve ineattre4 of Lord's heffield,
°fitted, no diacovery has yet taken place. En'
and the rewards.
,vrtmcliments on that part of Ashdown Forest, in the
unite of. Dorset's manor, have been'.continued in an•
411'iaion% maener, supported by. the
z'rgeetas threats, each 34 those held out' in the threat,
most out-
enieg letter, for theAliseovery of the author or au-
l!evethatl of which .200
.guineas reward were ()WM('
I:l!rtheless, 'lie laying them open, and the level
,°t: Lille fences, were effeeted about a'
ago,
resistant or disorder, through the pre-
fort night
„Pbtins
'taken by Lord Sheffield, whoa PP°int"
~le ~r.
I aleiPal people, in the neighbouring Patiallet
peace fli
t•
,- 0 cers ; but it can hardly be Supposed dies
%tat W 44 done on that' occasion the
gave rise to
malice that has beet) &hewn towards Mr. Bingham'
who
had taken no aoive part ill that business. If
air. Lingham had (lot been awake, in consequence
ef 't)dikosition, he at d his wife and nine children
14°"14 undeuhtedly his%e been smothered, or burnt
jl4 their beds. lie having heard a noise, got up,
/2)Un,„e,,,n,,,_"`;*1) gall's, and ..aw a man going from the
--ge; ne attempted to co it door, 'Which he
d by by .I)art of the furnittfre raised
td
it ; lie then went round to an otitwilrd door,
IYiiieli 6 liad bolted within •,b' t l went to
just a ore le
bed
0 , and found it broken open Znd softie furze fag-
°°tl barning, which had been brought into the
,raoin, and the furoiture been
round them The
4100 Was to raNd, the house belt) the
of wood'
94 the intink.e so ittatantarieously great, that' it was
Ivph difficulty any lives Were preserved ; two of ihe
teildrell %ere obliged to be tbroWn out of the win_
'tire and two were nearly suffocated before they
'NM. be Aticated ; but no wearin apparel, furni.
or other property could beg
saved. The ex-
-4441 of he
of . Mr. bingliam's flintily ire, for the
Itteclent, itt some degree telieved by the kind recep-
-13 of !hem into diiltrent houses in tfie neighbour-
1100d.
Lord st,,,ir I, .
Art L •:* ' , eiol ROOll visited the spot, and there
t.--- ue no aot,ht th it the same pehlie‘apirit aod ac•
llvity which
f,ave been 'niiinifehted on like occa-
lift% h ' '
I that Noble Lord will be exerted on (lie
Present, . . i

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:A, most horrid murder was cominittwl on the
/rl,!Aht of •Tuesday se'nnight, near Causheen, CounlY
liar horn
on James O'Brien i the deceased; in companY
'with 1.
i(PtBb 'lll sun returning towards home, was fired iit
1)()5t1"111411°w" a's3ab4in, whn lay in concealment
~ ini, near his own di,vellitig when the untortu
-.Ate '
0 m+ Herr
teeeiVed the conients of a loaded musket,
P,llntlartlly fell; net the mitrderers not bein,. satis-
lid that lie was dispatched, and having heard him,
Itill.ler tootle senteneeN, they immeditely, approached
kiltv41,„(111,e8°11 blAulti departed for aisicaneeb and with
v —O, unnillity, I),4itne they retired, h;zd nearlY Be.
el.ed the hehi from the On Thursday an
to ad
, , , , body,'
~._
~,,r- ' via' new (.1. the b by itiONIAS 'EVERS.
'l' Coroner tor that C i rt • who returned a Ver-
Net
of
I, , , 4
U I) ,
'same ,
ere
rtiiiii Ithadvr' against puraon or p
tiaknown.

IMP KRIM, PARLIAMENI.

ROUSE OF PEERS.

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 23: '
COMMON HALL PETITION'.
Lord EINKINE presented a petition from the Lord
Mayor, Aldermen', and Livery of the Ciiy 01 Lon.
don„ in Common-hall assembled, in favour of an
Utirestritied- Regency.
The Petition being read by the Clerk, his Lordship
moved that italiould lie on the table.

This: proposition gave rise to a conversation, in
some respetta of an irregular naltire. Some of the
Noble Speakers having been' a number of 'times on
their legs. It was principally between the Lord
Chancellor, Lord Erskine, and the Earls of Lauder-
dale and„Liverpool.

It Was contended- by the Noble and Learned Lord,
and by his Noble Friend the Secretary of State, that
agreeably to the orders and u.ages of their Lord-
ships House, the Petition purporting to be What it
did, viz. from the Corporation of the City Of ,Lon-
don, and signed as it actually was by certain
viduals, with Out the Corporate Seal of the City
thereunto annexed, could not be regdarly received.
All petitions purporting to be from Corporate bodies
should have the seals of those bodies attached. It
may be received as the p'oition of the individuals
signing, but no more.

Ort the other side it was contended, by Lord 'ER..
sKINE, particularly, that the Petiti9n was so signed
at the desire of the very num,rous body who voted
it. So the Sheriffs stated, who regnes•ed he would
present the petition to, their Lordships, viz. by the
Lotd Mayor, lout Aldermen; and a number of the
Livery brlonging do the different Wards. It was
for themselveS and the rest of the Livery. He be-

leered their Lott ships would Inve.hardly patience to
hear the list read, did the 'wit, le of that great as-
srmhly subscribe their names. For his
part, he was most anxious that the motion should
.pass; star, if it did not, another meeting would take
place and the Obstacle which now presented itself
Would he done away; therefore, when this was con-
sidered, he did not think there would be any cavil
about the wording of the Petition,
The LORD CHANCELLOR, with some warmth oh-:'
served, that no Noble, Lord should style the objec-
tion he had made to the receiving any instrument,
when not warranted by the rules and usages of their
Lordships' House, " a cavil," without his contra-
diaing him. Did, he not make the objeaiiin which
he ha,l done, as Speaker, :he should deem it a deri-
liction froth his dutf, and so far Criminal in himself.
He then repeated what- the Orders of the House
prescribed in such CaSei. •

The Earl of LAIMBRCIALE did not think the.ob-
leztion'of the Noble Lord on the Wool4iick so vn-

tirely well founded as he seemed to imagine. Was
it not frequently the: practice of their Lordships to
receive petitions from persons confined for debt, on
behalf of themselves and the other &btors confined

in the same prison I He Jemembered a striking in-
stance, namely, et a petition front all the Debtors in
Scotland, when it appeared that the petition was
signed only by such es were then conked in Holy-
rood House.

The Earl of Ltvetirooe was 'clearly of opinion
that the Petiiimi, purporting to ,be what
,it
could `nor he received. The' petitioneis, r,s desig-
noted in the Petition, had no Vorporate, opacity.
The Corporation of the City of London consisted of
the Lord -Mayor, 'Wenner), and Commons, 'in
Common Council asseinbled.
The LORD CHANCELLOR-Raid, he filould feet so
strongly as to'the propriety of adhering to the Qt.,.
dent of the House in such a case, that "he should
call upon the Noble Lord who had preced Jilin on
,•
on the woolsack to interfere and 'enforce their Lord-
ships' Orders.—Petitionefram individualS,.he obser-
ved, could be received only as from those who ace
tually signed.
,Some mutual explanations took place between
the Noble and Learned Lord and his Noble, Friend'
Lord Erskine.,
The Earl of RADNoR desired to know how the
Entry would stand, were the Petition, as it thee
stood, received and ordered to lie on the table.,
The Noble Earl wits informed, it would be en-
tered, " the Petition presented."
His Lordship then said he must object to receiv-
ing the Petition, unless framed conformably to the
Orders of the House,
A similar sentiment, after some further discussion,
seetnitig to be generally entertained among their
Lordships, Lord Lemma agreed to withdraw his
motion, that the Petition do lie on the table ; and
it was ordered to be withdrawn accordingly.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY inoVecl, that
the Lord Bishop of ROCHERTER be 'requested to
preach-before the House on Wednesday, the 30th
instant, at the Collegiate Church of St. Peter, West-
minster ; which was ordered accordingly.
QUESTION OF vitoXIF,S.
T4e, Order of the Day, upon which their Lor&
ships were summoned, for the discussion of this
subj,36l, being rcad---
The Latta CHANCELLOR moved, that the Report
of the Committee npotnted to search 'for Prece-
dents respeeting Proxies, and a copy of the Circular
Letter of the Chancellor, written to desire the at-
tendance of the Lords, by command of the House,
be read--"which being dune,
His Lordship rdse for' the purpose of bringing for-
ward to the consideration and for the' adoption of
the Hoese, the propositions touching the subjeet of
Proxies, of which'he had given eotice on a former
evening. Before= he entered rapini.the discussion of
the immediate geestion regularly before the Hoese,
he made some remarks upon the cases and piece,
dents adverted to 'in the Report. He was of opi:
nion, that the proceedings and decisions of the
House as it• then stood, could riot regularly in any
degree influence the decision which their Lordship
' should make, constituted as now, Neel the general
sublet 'being brought fully before them. The 111ohIe
Lord then adverted to the proceedings which had
taken place on a former night, when some diRCHi.
sion of the sobjett 'took place while the doors. were
closed ; and observed, that he could assure their
Lordships he did not know what the then state of
the Proxtes was, or hew they might preponderate
.• on either side; but w hat palled on that tablet COD-

vinced him that it became this duty to takian early-.
and regular opportunity tea call their Lordships' at- -
tention :particularly to the subieel. .It admitted of
various points of views; but- whatever may be the
opiiiiens entertained upon it, he thought it of great •
importance that the general question ehoeld be
agitated, and regularly decided on by the House. •
What had passed ott the. occasion 'he alluded
te,' convinced. him the. more firmly of this, for
he 'held it next to itnposeible that any reason could
be given, why what had then passed should not be
regarded as a precedent. ,There was another rea-
son which rendered a deeiSion necessary : it ap-
peared to him that the Peerages ,of England:were, ,
in those poiuts of view, divided into two claws,
viz. those Lords of Parliament who were present,
and those who were note. The whole as Peers Of
the realm were vested with equal rights; he theree
fore knew of no principle that could possibly be
stated,' that the Lords present should alone vole,
while their right was withheld ,from those who,
happened to be absent. Not a little stress seethed
to be laid 'by those Noble Lords who ertertained
a contrary opinion that , the assembling of the
Houses was as a Convention, and not regu-
larly as the two Houses of Parliament This ?.p-
-reared to be agreeably to the fashion of modern
refinements, as was the idea that there was, of
right, no such thing as voting by Proxy. It ap-
peared also as popular with some to object to
doing away subsequently in a House, what was pre-
viously voted by a Committee. - But, these notions .
or allusions had no weight with him. 'rite history
and records of Parliament had long established the
righs' of Peers voting by their Proxies. Whether re-
garded as a privilege or a duty, the right was in-.
controvertible. The consideration of the Peers
being absent froin the discussions could not be ef-
feetually urged, when it was considered how very
ofteti it happened, that when debates began at five
o'elock in the:evening, Peers who contributed twthe
decisioe by their votes, did not think proper. to attend
in their, places before two or three o'cloCk in the
morning ; yet none ever thought this absence from
the discussion a ground for. depriving them of their
ParliaMentary rights. Even with respect :to the
judicial business of the House, it was never held
otherwise than that Peers lied the right- of voting,
though they never heard a word of the arguments
or the facts of the cases.' It was true that such a
privilege May be abused, but still the right exists ;
but, he repeated, whether it Was either a privilege or "
a right, nothing should be done to invalidate it, wel h-
out the most serious and deliaerate eonsideretion.—
That this was the law of their Lordships' House, he
colleed from the usage of many, many years spast.
He was aware that, Um very remote periods, such as, •
the reign of Henry some weit; of summons were
issued, which prechid:A the use of, Proxies ;" but
hey µ ere not now.tmetubled under any ;such writs,:
t hey nue under a regular- prorogation he the' will of
his Majesty ; the, 'exercise of voting by proxy W 34
4110Wtd ill all cases, even as he had observed with
respect to the judicial business of the House—bat the
particular exercise of tint right was a different qw.,-
~non. The House had in :some instances decided
that Proxies shouid not be timed, hitt thishad. also
been done by a special teservAtiop of the right—!aut
uo &Chien had ever b eu made without a prelimi-
nary. 'discussion ar previous deternnuation having '
taken place reapeBing the particular cases: 'The
occasional practice of the King's license With respeet
to this privilege hart long been discu'sscd, and no
Mentionwas tinde of it in ,writs for many ) eors past.
Upon these general grounds, it was that he had,
framed the proposition tie meant to subaiit to their
Lordships ; recurring again to what hid been said
that the Houses had not been regularly' assembled
in Parliament. Against this fallacious idea he Must
contend, that, the meeting which took place on the
St of November, was in consequeece of his Ma-
jesty's regular prorogation; that they were the Houses
of Lords and Cominons in Parliament essembled—
they were assembled by his Majesty's Royal Ant hos.
rity, because regularly prorogued to that day. What
ought to have been done in this Partiament was a Very
different question irom what the Manses were duly
authorised to do—but it was important it should be
known what they were, viz, the Lords and Commons.
in Parliament assembled under his Majesty's Reyal
,Authority. These was no possible plea for calling
such assembling a conventionall their rights sing
privileges adhered to them; of course, among the rest,
that of voting by Proxy. Were it held otherwise, no
wilts could be issued tor the elettion of Members ;
i hey could not sit. in Committees, or exercise t oeirer-
dinar,: functions. What he said this for, was to
shew that 'the same authority which gave the Lords
presenta right to vote upon question's before them,
also gave to the Lords absent a right to vote by their
proxies; he spoke of' the right—the propriety was
another question. In this view, he argued against
the justice of finally deciding in any partieular cases,
without some antecedent proceeding had taken place
against the privilege of voting by proxy ; and after
again referring to evilat had taken place on, thee6C-
casion, when the question was originally agitated,
he proceeded to move his proposition, as the suh-
jels whichwere 'couched in four Resolutions of
some length, the .substance of which appeared to be
as foliow4 :—Ttrit upon any question pet by the
Speaker of the House, Proxies may he,c illed and
counted on, unless in cases where a Standing Older
ache House determined 'otherwise.; that upon, any
motion being, made-, that ProXieestiall not be re-
ceived previoris to any question being piat, it should
be competent to any Lord to , move the previoes
qtsestion upon such motion; 'and that upon taking
such decision upon such previous question, the
absent Lords shall be entitled to tote by their
Proxies, their being no standing larder to rite con-
trary,
The qucs:ion being put on the first Resoln-
tion,
Time Eatl.of Mot-as rose, and in warm and-ani-
mated language expressed his hostility to the adop-
tiort,of the Resolutions proposed by the Noble and
Learned. Lord, He said, ,that although it seemed to
be regarded as merely a question ()folder, the ques-
tion involved was of great , magnitede and import •
once; at best, the agitation of such a question was
siyertitions—there was no necessity for such a die-
cession, as, in his (Mod, no Lord Whatever called
the right ads cried to in question, Ile was opposed

to IhFicletrthif*the i4ottse should preelette it-iejf, as
now called upon, from the,means of . adapting
Modes of deliberationtO the exipncies of the parti.
cular cases. A controul over its own powers con.
.stituted one of the'leading excellencies of such as.
sembiies as that House; powers, which tuey
'exercised for the interest of the public. Pliny
could find no record upon the. loimals of the
HouSe, on which such a proceeding as that; in
question: could be urged. It ;Went circum-
scribe their deliberative'. powers. It was objec.
tionable in other points of view NorWithstend.
ins the declarations of the -Noble and Learned ,
Lord, respecting his imputing no blathe to any Lord
•for the proceedings of a former night, those very
propositions were framed so as to cast a sneer upon
those proceedings by a side wind, He wanted to
controvert that preceediog, which he -hesitated to
do direaly in point ;, such conduct " cl.ampion'd
them to the utterance." What gave rise to that
proceeding, but the wish of Noble Lords at his sioe,
to protect the dearest righti of the people and the
country from the blow aimed 'at them by the
Noble Lords opposite ? It was unwise in' the
extreme to bring ferward 'such questions ,at
this time, a period in which, in his miiid„
jealousies seemed to be entertained.-- (Order,
order, from the Ministerial tenches), he vt:_as going
to add, that such jealousies were unfoorickci. It
was highly impolitic toagitate such questions at this.
time. Nothing could be More disadvantageous i the
Noble Lord came forward on the oceaeon, " iii
rusty and marvellous ill-filvoured armours." That
NOble Lord did not seem to b awire of the miss
'chievous tendency of such a dicussion at presenti,
he gave. him credit' that he was:not,
,He'maY lasso
• a particular object in view, and riot see the extent
of evil st hick may lie .beyondthat---the adep, ion of
such Resolutions would lead 'their Lordships to a
pledge, the extent of which they noty not be aware
of. The' Noble Lord seemed to keep back the real
state of the questioo on the occasion more that
once alluded to—that consideration would decide
the question between them. The 'whole teunda-
(ion of these proceedings was the question i.eheihrr
or not Proxies should be given in the then siate,ot
the House ? No previous determination'had liters
been made, because it could not enivr into .the mind
of man'that so gross a proposal tould have been
offered ; there were Occastons of such peculiar
portence, that much benefit would result from open
and public decisions: If this point wits carded,
much danger may arise to the best interests of the
country ; it., would lead to a traits of injurious
consequences that it was impossible to 'say w hero
it would step. God,'forbid he should say that his'
Noble Friend was .coisscions of the extent of Cite evilit
which may ensue! As to what was said of this he.
'ing a Parliament regularly assembled, he would only
ohierve, that Noble Lords opposite seemed to cop.
cider it as such, or the contrary, just as it suited
the ohjetits' they.'had,•in view. In colici.Aing, be
'lnsisted that the qUeStion now before then' Lord.
,'ships •*ali not, only unnecessary; but in,schleyous,
and that in no 'possible view Could it be beneficial.
He should therefore move thtt question of .adjuurn.
mutt upoi it, in order to give the House the means
of seceding those evils, .U,/hich.the adoption of such
Resolutiops would lead to, and the injutiOus con-
clusions that would be drawn 'Own such conduct Oa
the part of t heir Ldrdships. He concluded by mov-
ing, " That this House .do now adjourn."

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