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by the Board of Trade and by a Committee of the other House. He,
therefore, held that the line had no kegs standi, and that the stand.
ing orders of their Lordships' House offered an insuperable objec-
tion to their appearing before them.
Mr. CALVERT, on the contrary, contended that they had a locus
standi, that they had been treated as a competing line, and had,
therefore, a right to appear against the scheme.
The room was cleared, and the Chairman, after the admission
of the parties, stated that they were of opinion that the opponents,
not having complied Hills the standing orders, had no locus standi
before them.
The Committee also decided against hearing Mr. Calvert on be-
half of the Rev. Charles Wolleston and Mrs. Markham, who had
peti.ioned against the line. Each time the room was cleared.
The room was then cleared a fourth time, that the Committee
might consider whethe Mr. Coppock should be heard on behalf of
the Corporation and inhabitants of Norwich, who had also peti-
tioned against the line.
The Committee came to the determination that Mr. Coppock
should be heard.
Mr. Coppock then applied to be heard by counsel. He had a
brief which he intended to have given to Mr. Sergeant Wrangharn,
when he arrived; but he had been engaged all the morning in the
Oxford and Worcester Committee. . . .

The CHAIRMAN said Mr. Coppock had not intimated at the com-
mencement of the proceedings that he wished to be heard by

counsel,
Mr. Coppock said he had informed the short-hand writer that
Mr. Sergeant Wrangliain would appear for him when the proper
time arrived.
The short.hand writer intimated that Mr. Coppock had so in.
formed him, but that he had not taken a note of it.
Mr. CALVERT said an agent had a right to appear by counsel if he
wished to do so. _ _ .

Mr. Coppock said it was a question of fees; besides, the Com-
mitteewould gain more advantage by hearing counsel instead of him.
The room was again cleared. When the parties were admitted,
The CHAIRMAN said, Mr. Coppock, we are ready to hear you.
Mr. COPPOCR said he should first cross.examine the witness, and
then address the Committee on behalf of the petitioners.
Mr. Sidney, Mr. Reeve, and Mr. Wright, of Derhan, and Mr.
Chamberlayne, of Hayle ; Mr. Neave, Mr. T. Croker, of Ships on;
and Mr. Herring, of Barsham, gave evidence as to the advantages
which would accrue to themselves and to the public from the adop-
tion of the proposed line.
Mr. Bidder was then examined' at considerable length on engi.
fleeting details
The traffic tables and the assents and dissents were then handed
in, and the Committee adjourned until 11 o'clock to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP X.

DIE.EZT NOR.THERN AND PARRINGDON-

STREZT EXTENSION.

This Committee resumed to-day at 12 o'clock, Viscount Court-
nay in the chair.
Michael Borthwick, C.E., was the first witness examined, and
in reply to Mr. Webster deposed to having assisted Mr. Rendel in
surveying the Farringdon-street Extension Line, the plans and
sections of which are correct. The worst gradient is 1 in 121,
and the sharpest curve 22 feet 6 in.

Cross examined by Mr. Sergeant KINGLAKR—Is responsible for
the accuracy of the plans and sections, and personally surveyed
the entire line with the exception of the deviation at Newington.
Mr. Robert Stephenson, C.E , examined by Mr. HILDYARD, Q C.
—ls engineer of the line in question, in conjunction with Mr.
Rendel. The route selected for that line was unexceptionable, and
the cost would be, comparatively speaking, low. The excavations
had been estimated rt 2s, a cubic yard, sewers at 2s. 3d. ;
the brick-work for the former at 111. a yard ; for the
latter IU. 10s., and for tunnels 131. The cast iron was 101. 10s.
a ton, and the permanent way computed at 5,500/., the whole
capital required for the project being 600,0001.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant KINGLAKE—The estimate of
600,0001. was amply sufficient for the construction of the line.
No material alteration, if any, had been made in the plans and
sections since deposited. If properly conducted, the system of
running short trains was not attended with difficulty, and he did
not regard its introduction on this line in the slightest degree ob-
jectionable. _

After some further evidence had been gone into, the Committee,
at half-past five, adjourned till to morrow.

CAMBRIDGE ELECTION. I
(FROM A CORRESPONDENT.)

The polling commenced this morning at the usual hour,
at the Town-hall, and the utmost anxiety was exhibited on

the part of the friends of both the Ministerial and Oppo-
sition candidates—Mr. Fitzroy Kelly, the newly appointed
Solicitor-General, and Mr. Alexander Shafto Adair—to
place their respective candidates at the head of the
poll. Every exertion was made by the committees
of both gentlemen to attain that end by bringing
up voters from all parts as early as possible, but not-
withstanding the exertions made on the part of the corn-
mittee of Mr. Kelly, they could not place him in a large
majority; and although he was, at eleven o'clock, in a ma-
jority of 30, his opponent is confident of success. The num•
bers were, at eleven o'clock—

For Mr. Fitzroy Kelly...
For Mr. Alexander Shaft() Adair 275
Majority for Mr. Kelly -30

THE LONDON GAZETTE.

(THIS EVENING.)

[The follovring article is substituted for that which appeared
in last' Friday's Gazette.]
WHITEHALL, JULY 9, 1045.
The Queen has been pleased to direct letters patent to be
passed under the Great Seal, granting the dignity of a Baronet
of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland unto
John Francis Davis, Esq., her Alajesty's Plenipotentiary and
Chief Superintendent of British Trade in China, and Governor
and Commander.in-Chiel in and over the colony of Hong-
Kong, and to the heirs male of his body lawfully begotten.
DOWNING-STREET, JULY 15. _

The Queen has been pleased to appoint George Grey, Esq.,
to be Lieutenant-Governor of the colony of New Zealand.
Her Majesty has also been pleased to appoint Frederick Holt
Robe, Esq., Major in the Army, to be Lieutenant-Governor of
the province of south Australia.
Her Majesty has further been pleased to appoint George
Lilly, E,q., to be Assistant• Judge of the Supreme Court of
the island of Newfoundland. _ _

common Fish Oils have been purchased sparingly by t hom
trade, and there are few shipping orders; previous rates have
been with difficulty supported.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

Their Lordships met shortly after Five o'clock.
The High Constables Bill passed through Committee, and
was ordered to be read a third time on Thursday.
The Constables Works (Ireland) Bill also went through
Committee, and was ordered to be read a third time on
Thursday.
LANDLORD AND TENANTS BILL.
Lord MONTEAGLE wished to ask what were the inten-
tions of the Government in respect to the Landlord and Tenants
(Ireland) Bill, now before a Select Committee of their Lord-
ships' House?

Lord STANLEY replied that, in pursuance of a reccm-
mendation vk hich would be made by the Select Committee, it
was the intention of Government to introduce several amend-
ments into the Bill, and he hoped to lay the Bill so amended on
the tab'e of the House, but, he did not intend to press it
through its stage in the present session.
_ _ _

lehad bean terbsed the amateur eomnsistion did not do their
duty, the Government would have the rower of removing them.
Sir IL INGLIS advocated the appointment of the Commis-
sion, and opposed the amendment.
Mr. WAKLEY thought the Commission would be ineffec-
tive. They would have, if it were appointed, the same results
as those which had emanated from the Commission on the Fine
Arts, which i.vas an amateur Commission.

Lord SEYMOUR believed that the plan of the Noble Lord
would have the effect of preventing cruelties which had been
practised in lunatic aci3lums.
Lord ASHLEY said there were 34 board-days last year, and
he had attended every one.
Sir C. NAPIER would be glad to have the attendance of
the other members of the Board.

The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against it
Major it y against the amendment
On our return to the gallery we found
Mr. T. DUNCOM BE complaining that Dr. Turner had
been placed on the Commission, he being at the time between
70 and 8 : years of ago, and coascquently would soon b 2 entitled
to be placed on the petition list.
Lord ASHLEY said that Dr. Turner was a most efficiert
officer, and was well calculated for the duties which he had to
perform. The Lord Chancellor fully approved of tie ap-
pointment.
S:r C. NAPIER understood that when the Commissioners
under this Bill should become unfit. for work they should retire
on a salary ; but he thought a little provision ought to be
made for those who had been all their lives act:ng as Commis-
sioners in the same way, and that they should not be turned
Ldrift in their old a;e.
Mr. WAKLEY was opposed to such a proposition upon
principle, for if such a principle were to be recognised by this
Act he would like to know where it would stop ? Certain per-
sons accepted situations for a certain amount of remuneration,
and it was evident they were contented with it, for they per-
formed the duties, but the public and the labouring classes
should not be made to pay large sums as retiring pen-
sions. Ho would ask the House, what it did last night?

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It came to a resolution to refuse relief to a man
who might not be able to get employment, yet a monstrous
allowance of the description now proposed was asked to be made
for men in their old age who had received a large salary for the
discharge of their duties.
Mr. ARBUTHNOTT would wish to know if this clause
should be discussed now, or at any other time?
Sir J. GRAHAM said he hoped it would be discussed now,
as it was desirable to make some progress with the Bill.
Mr. DUNCOMBE did not approve of the Bill being passed
through the House at this railroad pace, for he was anxious that
the public should see how matters of this sort were disposed of
here, and how the public money was applied. Now, the Bill
provided that these Commissioners should have a retiring
pension after fourteen years service ; but, how did the
House know but that many of these Commissioners had already
served 13% years ? He had asked the Noble Lord opposite
to state ovhat the age of Dr. Turner was, but he could get no
information at all on the subject. Ile could not ascertain
whether he was a young man or an old man, or likely to remain
long or short in his situation. He fully concurred with the
Hon. Member Dear him, that though the Noble Lori opposite
was a very humane man, it was an extraordinary thing that this

House should refuse relief to an able-bodied man who could not
get employment, but let him starve, and then in twenty-four
hours after come down and ask for a provision of this sort, in
the shape of a retiring pension.
Lord ASHLEY said he had no objection whatever to ans ser
the question, but he could not really say what the age of Dr.
Turner was ; but this he knew, that he believed him to be per-
fectly equal to the discharge of the most delicate and arduous
duties.

Mr. WAKLEY said he did not object to the individual, but
to the principle of connecting past duties with future; and he
would again repeat, that the public money should not be dis-
p)sed of in pensions, when that money was taken from the
poor man in the shape of taxes upon every article he consumed,
and to whom relief from the public money was refused, because
he was able-bodied, though he might be starving.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the Committee was now only dis-
cussing the names of those who had been recommended for the
officers, and he would not shrink from the responsibility of
having recommended them. But the subject of the amount of
salary was a matter for future discussion.
Mr. DUNCOM RE said it was putting the cart before the
horse, to first nominate persons and then tell them that they
were to have certain salaries and retiring pensions, if the Go-
vernment did not intend that such should be the case.

Lord ASHLEY said there would be no breach of faith
towards those parties if this clause should be left out.
Mr. DIM COAIBE said he had no objection to give the
medical man 1,5001. a year, but he did think it too much for
the lawyer. The police magistrates, who were obliged to be
barristers of ten years standing, had only 1,0001. a year, from
which 5 per cent. was deducted, which went to a fund for a
retiring pension. The prison inspectors also had but 70C/. a
year, with no allowance for travelling expenses. On these
grounds he did think 1,500/. a year would be too much for
these Commissioners. He conceived 1,0001. a year would be
abundant, and he would undertake to get barristers of ten
years standing who would be very glad to get it, and who
would discharge the duties most ably.
Mr. HINDLEY did not see why the doctors should be
favoured beyond the lawyers.
Lord ASHLEY contended that the proposed salaries were
not so high as those paid to other public officers in the same
position, and he was quite sure that less than 1,5001. would
not secure the services of men whom it would be desirable to
employ.
Mr. WAKLEY never heard of anything so easily done as
finding excuses for giving men large salaries.
Air. CHRISTIE believed that a salary of 1,0001. a year
would command the services of many most intelligent and clever
men.

Sir C. NAPIER did not see why the proposed Commis-
sioners should not be satisfied with 1,0001. a year, when the
Lords of the Treasury and Admiralty only received that sum.
Mr. BOUVERIE did not think 1,5001. a year a large salary
when the duties required to be performed were taken into con-
sideration.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought, after the valuable sug.
gestions that had been thrown out, it would be better
that the Chairman should retort progress, in order to
enable the Noble Lord to improve the Bill by adopt-
ing some of those suggestions. The Honourable Alember
then withdrew his amendment as to the word six.

At the suggestion of Mr. WAKLEY the words barrister of
ten }ears' standing were stiuck out, and the word, barrister of
five years' st,nding inserted.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE then moved as an amendment that
the salary of the six paid Commissioners should be 1,0001., in-
stead of I,noo/. a year.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
F, r the original motion
Fur the amendment
Majority against the amendment 24
The amendment was consequently lost, and the words,
1,5001. were ordered to stand part of the clause.
On the question that the clause stand part of the Bill,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE again divided the Committee, when
there appeared,

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nit. the clause
Against it lO
Majority in favour of the clause ..
The clause was then agreed to, as was also clause 4.
The Chaieman then obtained leave to report progress, and
left the chair at half-pist four oclock, and the business of the
House was suspended till five o'clock.

The House resumed at five o'clock, when the SPEAKER
,cok the chair.

The reports on the Epping
,Railway, the Rye and Tente•-
den Railway, the Launcestcn and South Devon Railway, the
South Devon (Tavistock Branch) Railway, the Dublin Pipe
Water, the Gravesend and Rochester Railway Bills were re-
ceived and agreed to.
The Darby Court Bill was read a second time.
MANCHESTER AND LIVERPOOL RAILWAY.

Mr. BROTHERTON moved that the Lords amendments
on this Bill 132 agreed to.

Sir G. CLERK objected to the reception of the Bill, on
the ground that certain clauses were oppose,' to the report of
the Board of Trade, and to the standing orders of the House.
Mr. M. GIBSON proposed that the consideration of the
amendment be deferred for a week, in order to give time for
the alteration of clatbes.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment 2
Against it
Majority... —4t
GREAT SOUTHERN AND WESTERN (IRELAND)

BILL.

The Lords' amendments to this Bill were read, and agreed to,

RICHMOND (SURREY) RAILWAY BILL.
The Lords' amendments to this Bill were read, and agreed to.
Air. HUME moved for certain returns respecting the
sewers, of which the House had never received any account.—
Ordered. .

(LEFT SITTING.).

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.
MONDAY, JULY 14.

The following Bills were read a third time and passed:—
Monmouth and Hereford Railway.
South Eastern Railway (Tunbridge to Tunbridge Wells).
South Wales Railway.

Great North of England (Clarence and Hartlepool Junc-
tion) Railway Bill,—Lords' amendments agreed to.
Committee of Selection,—lnstruction to the Committee to
fix the Committee on the Manchester and Leeds Railway
(No. 2) Bill, for Thursday next.

NOTICE GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL OFFICE.
London and Croydon Railway Enlargement,—Committee
on re-committed Bill, Wednesday, July 16, at twelve.

IRELAND.
THE AFFRAY AT BALLINGHASSIG.

The case for the prosecution closed on Thursday evening. Two
magistrates, Mr. Moloney and Mr. Meade, came forward before
the defence was entered into, and voluntarily tendered the follow-
ing evidence :

Mr. John Moloney, J.P., of Ballinaboy, being sworn, was exa-
mined by the CORONER—I am a magistrate of the county, and re-
collect the last fair night of Ballinhassig. I was at the fair that
day, and left it between three and four o'clock, to the beat of my
knowledge. I was not in the fair between that and the time the
people lost their lives. There were no other magistrates with me
leaving the fair. I did not attend it as a magistrate. About nine
o'clock in the evening I returned to the fair. About that hour
Mr. Cornelius Keller came to my house in great haste, nearly out
of breath, and on my going to the door, in consequence of what
he told me, I came back to the fair with Mr. Meade, and
Mr. Biggs followed us in the rear, and the Rev. Mr. Meade
came as far as the bridge. When I came outside my own gate
I saw a man leaning against the ditch wounded in the left
arm, and we seeing him so requested the people to get him
a doctor, and Mr. W. Meade, the magistrate, and I pro-
ceeded to the fair. Having found that a number of people were
dead and wounded, we called out to get a doctor. Mr. Meade
finding the people unwilling to go, as they said they were afraid,
faced up the hill, and said he would go himself, calling on Mr. Biggs
to aczompany him, and for me to remain with the people and ap-
pease them as well as I could. I remained with the people, and
expostulated with some of them to go home; they did so generally
white I remained, which was about until eleven o'clock.

To Mr. Walsh—l did not attend the fair as a magistrate, but
merely as a country gentleman, and bought and sold cattle; before
leaving the fair I did not see any occurrence or appearance that
would require the influence or presence of a magistrate. You have
re ided for many years at Ballinaboy, near Ballinhassig ?—Yes, for
about fourteen years, but I have been connected with it for about
twenty four years. Can you state what has been the character of
the people in the district during that period ?--According to my
knowledge during that period a more peaceable or well.conducted
people I never knew.
Mr. W. R. Meade, justice of the peace, Ballymartle—l am a
magistrate of the county, and dined with Mr. Moloney on the day
of the fair, at Ballinahoy, which is about a quarter of a mile from
Ballinhassig. In consequence of a representation which was made
to us Mr. Moloney and I left his house rather befpre nine o'clock,
and Mr. Biggs joined us, for the purpose of going to the fair. On
going outside the gate we saw the wounded man, as described by
Mr. Moloney, and we then went to the fair, and I asked several
persons where the doctor was, and requested come persons about
me to go to his house for him. They all seemed unwilling to go,
and I then said I would go myself, and Mr. Biggs said he would
accompany me, and we arranged with Mr. Moloney to remain at
the fair and endeavour to get the people home. Mr. Biggs and 1
proceeded to the police barracks, as the doctor resided next door to

it, On as r way up I laakal at try waoi at t 1.014140 ,
Lombard's, and found it to be ten minutes past nlnt. &dock. When
we arrived at the barracks we found the doctor was not at home,
and I then went into the police barracks to make arrange-
ments about sending for an additional force. I went into the
Dispensary three times that evening; the first time I went there
was no light, but there was the second; there were several marks
of violence about It, and the windows broken, and the roof broken
at the back, but not so much as at present. There were several
large stones lying in it, in the outside room next the door,
and I don't recollect seeing any in the other. I could form no
opinion as to whether the stones camethrough the door or wins:ow.
The only other mark of violence I remarked that evening was the
wooden partition, a small part of which opposite the door was
broken. I did not examine the outside of the house that night,
and I therefore cannot say if there was any mark of violence on it.
To Mr. Scannell—You saw the state of the Dispensary. If
twenty persons were in that room, and the roof, windows and doors
broken, and stones in it, as you have described, do you consider they
would be in imminent danger ?—I do.

To Mr. Hallanan— Was it from any conduct you raw in the
village regarding the people's conduct, you sent for the additional
force ?—No ; there were various circumstances which induced me
to seed fir an additional force. I heard very strong expressions
in respect to the police and their past conduct from the people, but
I heard no threats. After such an occurrence I should have sent
for en additional force under any circumstances.
Mr. James Donegan, a juror, was the last witness examined. He
deposed to the peaceable demeanour of the people, lint admitted
having heard that a breach of the peace was apprehended six weeks
previous to the holding of the fair, and also that the stone throw-
ing commenced before the first firing.

The case for the friends of the deceased here closed ; and it
being then half-past six o'clock,
The Court adjourned to half-past nine o'clock next morning,
when Mr. Scannell will speak as to evidence.