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raises tune stooeslie lead -dime , In! r.grerd that it would it a v else e n:1
h:tiesit that could not lee purchesed at tes° high a price. But
the -moments-sloe ellen tinged inquiry—the.misment she set her
foot ant t hese-shores, sett tug up her claim to all t tit les, dignis
ties, and privileges of Queen Consort, mu alternative was left.
It Was iMpossilile her Majesty ,could sit down as Queen Consort
int his couietry wit hoot any inquiry beinginstitutedntoascertain
Ilse truth or establish the falsehood of the charg,e against her:
Respite of the clamour raised against Bills of Pains and Pe-,
oalties, they were as old as the. LAW itself, and: he saw no
reason to rescind that part of aseancienteLaw.. The Learned,
Gentleman, Mr. ltrouglsam, bad said with a sort if candour,
that- he did not thank hint, for that he would pass over the
Reign ef -Henry the Eight h; betties-tea behels be had not omit-
ted aeain to bring. it beton:ltems but he begged the Learned
liesitletuart distinctly to understand, that if he could find any •
precederete art 111.1 t Itti n, to state then) fairly and boldly, and
theywittild be met en tee part fairly oil boldly. He .was not
afraid to-meet hint opted}, bet 'ln. Misch Wishes{ that he weoht
.3l'.lstain from t hose da ek„niysiet Sous hints in which his disceurse"
nb"utt (led, awl for alliels he was so eelebreted. Bin it was also
said, that es this wasne Bill or Diessree,, it must be the husband
hatdeinantied it—it was for him t o corn plain of abreacts of con-
tract. The tact. however, tva„ that be tired net complain—it
wee sin tfieient he gave bieaseent. The-King ceuld not consistent-*
ly with Ins- high slate sine (lignite senile before !hat House •as at
cuss nt k Miss' i rig the facia, he readily assented.
as, its iniog brought before it. The spiestienr of recrimination
had-brew brought forward and discussed; not; as he I honght,.
tightly. It had. riot hung to d.o with) he present question—it
to rd .nothing to do with the principle. It might have be.,.
cunie a natter fur deliberation after the question had been
p.rored nn One. le:tether- recrimination teas to Ise al-
lowA or not. As he took it thee, the platter as it then
Stood was, that.this case deeta tided some rcnsedy. and that
%thief) *as pointed 1,01 its the Rill was the most appropriate
remedy. But thee it was weed on the other side, that ins-
peaelorentswas the proper etude of seeking a remedy, If that
inae had been it was those persons who now
to:t,,cate it",vh.s would have been the first to assail it. It
from its statute, indict fine, imprisonment, or -bodily
petnislameut ; and he decided: y • enneeted to ;impeachment,
-because. the remedy there Was both Istadequ'itte and cruel,
and most be folloWed by that sante courseof proceeding whirls
was now decried. One' of the ,ohjrctions raised to this Bib
was, that the charges in it were nut sufficiently specific. This.
be denied. In case of impeachment they Could not be none
specific. If there was an impeachment, the charges woe Id not
be more specific. His Learned Friends had run away with an
idea t bet stn impeachment 'was as specific as an indictment.
His Leerned FIiVNIS urged too than he wife of the-Prince Re-
gent, in this ceee, was not the same as the wile of the King
:a. coat ended there was notlifference of site li on, so far as
relates! to sit uaten, diameter, and pubes'. Then agent, they
attacked and vilified the language of the Bill, saying that sm.
offence woe charged by it. If taken separetely, lie would al-
leo- that the charges did not contain oily distinct offence; but
if taken collectively, t bey..contained the highest offencenhat
could he charged. The Queen went to Italy, where she tool,
into her Royal favour a -menial, towards %%hone she evinced
arts y speciee of endearment, and fenced round by his'relations.
carried oft with bins the Most disgusting intimacy, and a long
licentious and adulterous intercourse. -Would- they say this
wee 110 OffellCe? a Adulterous intercourse,' phtiely implied
the specificactof adiultery The charge of adultery-simply
implies only one 'act, whereas, the expression of adifiteroue
intercourse signified a succession of those acts, and that was
what was intended to be charged. He totally deprecated
the doctrine, that the transgressions of a man with regard to
adultery were as had.as those of 'a woman. He would.. not
go ow of Isis way to grapple with a proposition of so absurd
sa nature. The Learned Gentleman had twice attacked the
eharacter of an illustrious personaese, which he thought was a •
most cruel attack; and, nutles the circumstances of the pre-
sent moment might have been spared. He•was sensible that
his observations for the last 10 minutes had been wholly
foreign to the object of the discussion; but he had been fol-
lowing the tedious course of Isis Learned Friend stn the other
side. The only question fer their Lordships to decide uposs
was, whether the proceeding which had been instituted,
should he allowed to go on.
• .
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he was hardly able to avail hini-
self of the right of reply, but it being usual, he would do it
as shortly as possible., by confining himself to a few points.
A vague charge had been made against hint and his Learned
Friend fur haril'n, in their argument deviated from the sub-
ject matter of the Bill. He would beg to he alloWed to re-
Mind their Lordships that he and his Learned Friend set out
with savior, that it was a legislative measure, and if it passed
unto a law it wontd he a stew one—if it was brought forward
as AI impeachment, he would have beets prepared to have met
It as the lase actually swot. The question then was, whe-
ther a new law should he esineted or not ? The eulogy of
the SOlicitoi-General on a Bill of Pain; and Penalties
seas thrown sway ; he hail told them they were ancient
and sacred branches of the Constitution, which no
man belonging to the popular branch of Pa,liament
would wish to be severed from the Constitution. If by
Constitution his Learned Friend meant, that all that was
jest should net, be departed front, he would agree With him:
add as a lover of the Constitution he agreed with Lord Chan-
cellor Cowper, that in a case of greet necessity he would Pin
abject to such it Bill ; but that necessity did not stow press;
their Lordships were not to look throng!' the eyes of ass ado
eueate, who only-remembered what was necessary for his
ease, and forgot all that was in support of the other side
He and his Learned Friend said, that there was no neces-
sity for this Bill Of Pains and Penalties, and the very rea-
lest of their Los dships having read the Bill the first time
su the absence of the Illustrious Pei sonage accuses!, send
her Counsel's mouths closed, proved the necessity of his itu-
Tesessisig on their Lordei-ips that they might retract what they
had done. ills Majeety's Attornes,General had said, that
toil was the only argeoecnt which bore on the sunject ; and
like Nathan's parable, lie undertook to take it from under
bites ; he was ready to grapple with hint, end be argument
convince their Lordships that Isis Learned Friend' had •not
foot to stand on, lie contended impeachment did lie,
and he would proVe it, however his Learned Friends might
scut their eves against it, for the jurisdiction of the House
sof Lents, as Lord Coke said, was so great, that it had no
I.:lnto...they might impeach or do any thing else. He would
a•-k. why this was nut a case of impeachment? In that of a
public fuuctionary acting wrong, it was a subject-of impeach-
ment, because these was no redress at law—why then not
impeachment in this case, *lien it Was allowed the justice
o$ it could not be come at in to Court of Law ? if their
Lordships were to look into all authorities as to the
crimes of public fttoetionarieen they would find the name
of the Queen at the head, as holding the situation of a
functionary. If they looked to the reign of Edtvard 111. there
was an impeachthent against Richard Lyons for having lent
the King money at an usurious interest.—Many objections
had been made to impeachmetst. All he could say was, that
their ancestors did not draw ep their indittmente of impeach-
xuent so slovenly as they were done at thz present day toy the
way of Bills of Pains and Penalties. The Learned Counsel
then stated several cases where persons had been impeach-
ed for smuggling foreign silks into the country. He then said
the: Attorney-Greet-al had argued the question as if adultery •
bad been committed by Isis Royal Client. He mentioned this
for the purpose that it should not go out to the public that
such was the fact. The Solicitor General treated it as a Bill
of Diviner I. and the More he repeated the term, the more it
was pleasing to his (NI r. Brougham's) ears, for it went to put
an end to the preamble of the Bill ; and the Learned Gentle-
mass had asked if the King was the Only person that was uot
entitled to relief by a Bill of Divorce ? He would answer him
by saying, that befose a Divorce Bill was presented to that
Ecorse, the sentence id the Ecclesiastical Court must be ob-
tained condrutine the adultery. But then they were told
this was a Bill of Divorce without the party alleging to be
jujus ed applying for relief, and he would defy any per-
..so(l, from the commencement of the world, to show where
relief was granted without the party injured applying
lot it. If he were disposed he *might say a great deal out this
point, but where the accusing party had sent the accusation_
to their Lordship's and told thent to inquire into it, and the
he would be with any decision they might come to; if •
it bed not come its tied shape, would not the party scnding it
be liable to. be opposed by the same kind of defence as in
other-Bills of Divorce? The husband was not the accuser,
but they were told • his advisers were. and Alley knew
bet Majesty was innocent when they offered her a large
isbtniustl sum to stay abroad; for otherwise they would
riot have proffered it, for the purpose of adding{ anent s
tiunal stains! to the Crown, and even after her;arrival the
other House of Parliameet went down tin their knees to her,
the mote as thry would to Isis Majesty, to beg a favour of her.
The: favour sicked, however, was too- great, for it required
a negative assent to Improprieties that never had been com-
neitted. He bad now cense to a part of the subject which
was the only one that • made him. have any dread -for
his Royal Client—he meant the witnesses itgainst her : .the
foreign ones, hr supposed, were of equal rank in their own
country to that of her-Majesty, or of their Lords-hips, and
of not, at least of the rank of those around him-(below the
sorts, who bad in their power the means of providing a good
41inuer for themselves and families, mid that at the boor
they should appoint, not tobe called to it by the roll of
WI, or the beat of drum.. Tieceie witnesses - when they ap-
peered at the bar would come, he had no doubt, in attires pUr-
ebased by. their funds; and also, that the vigour of their
fittlates would be supported from their own purses. -How-
aver usual& be dreaded' this class of witnesses, theta was aou- I

THE QUEEN.

HOUSE OF LORDS THIS DAT.
This morning, after the usual forms had been

gone through—
Lord KING rose to bring forward the motion
of which he gave notice yesterday, to the
effect that it was not essential to the public
morality, or necessary to the public safety to
pass the Bill of Pains and Penalties. His Lord-
ship contended, that no reason existed why this
extraordinary measure should be persiSted in,
violating as it did the established forms of Jus-
tice. There NI as not the least danger to accrue to
the succession to the Throne, and it was quite
evident, from the conduct of Ministers with re-
gard to the offers made by them to the• Queen,
to induce her not to return to this Country, that
they did not think the investigation of her Ma-
jesty's conduct at all essential. There appeared
from what had been stated by the Learned

Counsel at the sar, to be consitl6rabl..;
nbether an Impeachment would not lie, and 'if
so, there could be no question that would be the
proper and legal course ; their Lordships would
then be legitimate Judges of the case, instead of
resorting" to 'the anomalbas measure now before
the 'House.

The Earl of lavEnroot, opposed the motion,
contending that the only course which was left
open to adopt, was to proceed by the present
Bill, and as to the objection of its being ex post
facto, it was clear that even supposing there could
be au Impeachment, still no sentence under
conviction upon that impeachment could extend
to the degradation of the Queen ; there must
therefore still be a Bill hronght in for that
purpose (as if the facts alleged were proved,
degradation ought undoubtedly to follow)
and such Bill would, in point of fact, be
equally` ex post
_facto with the present. No-
thing-, therefore, would be gained by re-
sorting to Impeachment, and' it did not ap-
pear from any authority whatever that Impeach-
ment would lie,; on the contrary, no Impeachment
could take place, unless for an indictable offence.
The present measure; therefore, he considered,to
be the only one that was at all applicable to the
circumstances of the case ; as to divorce, he con-
sidered that the least part of the case; the only ob-
ject' was-, that if the Queen were guilty of what
Was alleged against her, it was utterly unfit she
should remain in that high station, and her
degradation from the rank of Queen necessarily
involved divorce. Besides, it was utterly im-
possible they could allow the preamble of the Bill
to remain on the records of the House, without
going into evidence to ascertain whether the
charges contained in it were trie or false.

Joy.

The Earl GREY complimented the Noble
Earl on the candour of his speech, but was unabla
to agree in his conclusions. lie was of opinion
that Impeachment might lie, for the conduct of
the Queen (as charged) abroad, and that there-
fore this Bill was an improper course of pro-
ceeding. It was true, that supposing a ver-
dict of Guilty upon Impeachment, it would
be necessary to pass a Bill for the degrada-
tion: of the Queen, but with how much better
effect would such a Bill then come) than in
the shape of the preseNt anomalous proceeding.
his Lordship was left speaking.

A considerable number of persons assembled
this morning at an early hour, before Her MA-
JE'ST Y's house in St. James's-square, in order to
see her arrive from Brandenburgh House, and
depart for the House of Lords. Mr. Alderman
Wow), however, appeared in the Balcony, and
informed them that Her MAJESTY did not mean
to attend this day or any other day till the ex-
amination of the Witneses commenced, and then
that she should resume her station in that place.
The People assembled then gave a shout of ap-
plause, and quietly dispersed.

The length of the Report of what passed yes-
terday in the House of Lords again obliges us to
be very brief in our comments. Mr. DesmAN,
in following the reasoning advanced by M.
BROUGHAM the day before, was more pointed and
acute than his predeCessor, but the arguments of
both were fully and most ably refuted by the
ATTORNEY and SOLICITOR GENERAL. As THE
QUEEN'S Counsel do not stand on the firm basis
of Law, it was to be expected that they would
exercise their ingenuity to the utmost, and not
be sparing in insinuations, and even personalities.
The plain case, however, is this, and it ought to
be often stated, that it may not be baffled by
vague objections and technical subtleties
crimes imputed to her MAJESTY, being charged
as having been committed with a foreigner
abroad, arc not subject to the process of lit-
PEA CUMENT, and therefore are not amenable to
any other course than that which has been
adopted. If that course, according to the decla-
ration of her MAJ ESTY'S Counsel, is not tenable,
and the other cannot be legally and constitu-
tionally applied, it must be inferred that, in
the Opinion of these Gentlemen, even if guilty,
THE QUEEN ought not to be tried at all, and,
consequently, must be secure in impunity.--
But would the total suppression o•f_ all inquiry
satisfy the Nation ? Ought it • to satisfy THE
QUEEN, who avows her innocence, not to have
that innocence fully manifested in the opinion of
all mankind ?—We cannot but consider all the
elaborate reasoning of her MAJEsTy's Counsel as
little better than mere legal quibbling, if at all
different from it, and in its tendency highly inju-
rious to their Client, inasmuch as by their efforts
to avoid a trial they seem to fear that she may
be found guilty. We would ask fhe Counsel of
her MAJ ESTI', and her friends in general, whe-

'her, 6141 atioPi'l44
she could hope for a more wise, just, and ho-
nourable Tribunal, or could expect a more 101"
partial hearing or a more equitable verdict

No Paris Papers have arrived this morning',
none having been published on Wednesday.

• New York Papers to the 29th of_ July, ar—
rived this morning :

L titsT FROM VAIGPAttArsd.—A licensed Trade
has been opened with Peru, and several vessels
had sailed with Wheat and other articles, for Linia•
A plot to assassinate the Supreme Director a
Chili, and to place the family of CARVENA. at th
head of the-Government, had been discovered•
•HAvpi-NAn, JuLY 6.—The Constitution vfaii
s-,l6rn to at Mexico on the 31st May, with mucia

DEATH OF THE HON. CAMIN SPENCER.
. [FURTHER PARTICULARS.]
Extract of a Letter from Portsmouth, Aug. 11,
" I much regret to have to announce to yO
the following melancholy affair., extracted front
communications from Rio Janeiro, dated Juno
16, 182,0 :—The Hon, Captain SPENCER, of dot
Owen Glendower frigate, wishing to have his. dill'
worked, without too much severity- towards t. 114
men, gave the necessary orders to the First Lie';.
tenant. Curling on board the frigate,in the all'
sence . of Sir THOMAS HARDY, who was gone ; /
Maldonado, and having occasion to complain of
want of punctuality to Iris orders, he reprimae'l-
ed the Lieutenant, who told him tt was impos
ble to carry on the. duty unless he was' propt-.: r:
supported. On..this Captain Spencer threw
self into a violent passion, beat to quarter 3, anti
sent every body down to the main deck
leaving himself and :the First Lieutenant on Lh6
deck. Captain Spencer then drew his sword, or"
Bering the Lieutenant to defend himself—he, re'
monstrated, stating, that he was a much betfrr,
swordsman than the Captain,..haiting a deal 0t
practit:e- while confined as a prisoner of war ill.
France ; but if Captain Spencer was-determincli
to fight, he would meet him on shore. Captaio
Spencer then called him it d—d cowardly rascalf
and it is said struck his side : upon this the
tenant drew' his sword on the defensive, 'and dii;
played some coolness. Thio„coolness exasperark'
the Captain, and making a violent thrust, he ever'
shot hiinself. and ft..-11 on the Lieutenant's sword
shortly after which he died. This melancholy
affair has thrown a great gloom over the counte'
nances of all naval characters at Rio. The tip''
Lieutenant's name is JIuIES MWON ALP`, (311''''
ray's.-Ltst gives the name of Evans.) He was.
merly First of the. Creole, then Second Of th°,
Creole, from some error, and then went First 04-
the OWen ,Glendower about May last.
M‘Donald was Midshipman of the Penguin 101'4'
she was taken by the American ship Wasp. 3138'
Hon. Captain Spencer_ is son of Eirl Spencef
who has also another. son (the- Hon. F. Spencer
a Lieutenant of the Superb, Sir Thomas Ilard)4
flag ship."

TirE QuEEN.--it is said that an order 'oB‘^
issued from the Commander-in-Chief's Office'
Horse Guards, directing the Soldiers to show the
same respect to her MAJESTY on her way to rne,
house of .orris, and on her return, as is no"
towards the other Branches of the Royal Farriii.P.
Letters from Manchester state that the desiiVl
of the Radicals, projected, by HUNT, and ";
corded by his confederates in that town and 8,
Oldham, for celebrating a fast on the 1601 ft
August, under the disgusting name of 44 B 100";
gush," has entirely failed.—These attempts'werg

quite ridiculous and unworthy,of notice.
Yesterday, the Earl, of LIVERPOOL entertained•
a large party of the Peers with a grand dionct
at Fife House.
Several houses yesterday, 'near Clare-mariki'
fell with a tremendous crash, but their innuakc
fortunately had time to escape unhurt.
The celebrated Miss MARGARET 1114-A:01,7:::
whose faculty of distinguishing colours.. &c• I'7 ti;
touch, about three rears since, at Liverpool, Ira-
so much talked of, died there a few days lk°'l-
In a specimen of yarn spun from crossed 1-
rion and Southdown wool, exhibited at Colaic
ter fair, there were 100 banks of 560 yards vac
to the pound.
CAPTAIN HIGGINROTTAM'S GREAT MATO'.
Captain HIGGINBOTTAM had matched his trottin.ii
horse of the Waxy breed, to trot sixteen tniltl:t
one hour, for 100 guineas, which match he le;
and he now came forward to trot the same h°r".l,
sixteen miles and a quarter within the "ells.,
The match was done for 200 guineas a side, y 0
terday morning on the GodstOne road, and IV
won by four seconds only. • het
• EXECUTION.—On Wednesday, pursuant to tl4'
sentence, Rebecca Wu-lock, of 11/2itton, near saor.
was executed at Gloucester, for the murdells4
her husband, to whom she administered
1
in a draught of beer. She confessed her g •
„I et"
previous to her e:zecution. The principe-
dence against this wretched woman was her.
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