The Sun.
London, England, 1820-10-24 00:00:00

11011 SE OF LORDS-THIS DAY.

THE QUEEN.

'The Loan CHANCELLOR entered the House
this morning at the usual hour, and prayers be-
ing finished, the customary call took place, when
apologies were made for the absence of three
. Noble Lords.

Earl GREY immediately rose, and called the
attention of their Lordships to a motion vv hick he
intended to make at some subsequent stage. His
object was, as far as we could collect, to enable
the House to get possession of the depositions
made originally by the Witnesses for the Bill, as
taken at Milan before the Secret Commission. lie
considered this motion of great importance, with
reference? to the testimony given at their Lord-
.ships' Bar, which appeared not to correspond
with their depositions in foreign parts. No Judge
would venture to decide in any case, knowing
that such depositions did exist, if they were not
banded to hint ; and he contended that, in this
instance, the defendant was justified in calling
for them. Ile was aware that the examinations
he referred to had not been regularly taken, but
he trusted it would not be considered unfit to
obtain the nature of them before their Lordships
should come to a ,decision in this most important
cause. I had considered it but candid and
fair to give this notice of the motion he intended
to make, as it was necessary for their Lordships
to have those depositions in proper time.
The Lora) CHANCELLOR now left the Wool-
sack, in order to address the House. He began
by observing, that their Lordships had given him
an opportunity since yesterday, of considering
the question then proposed, as to continuing the
preceedings in the present case, and from the
view he had taken of it, he had actually read
over the whole of the evidence in relation to the
conduct of Col. Brown.—lt was certainly right in
his Majesty's Attorney-General to have made the
application he did, and it was also right in
the Counsel for the Defence to resist it.—
Looking to that application as bearing
on the justice of the case, his individual
opinion was, and by this opinion, as an
individual he should be guided, that consi-
derations of justice did not require that their
_ Lordships should delay the proceeding. With
respect to the testimony, in reference to Colonel
Brown, he did not think the matter of that testi-
mony could require delay. It was fitting that
Colonel Brown should be called to their Lord-
. ship's Bar, at an eligible time, but.-Bvithout
a -delay in the proceeding now. He had also
thought it proper to look carefully at what
had been stated at their Lordships' tar, as many
things were so stated, which hereafter might
not bear strictly on the case ; and the result
of this investigation was; that he could find only
two persons, whose evidence, if that evidence
should deserve to be credited, applied to the
conduct of Col. Brown at All. If, therefore,
their Lordships should consider his individual
opinion of any weight, he could only say, that in
his humble judgment, as a Peer of that House,
it would not be doing justice to her Majesty to
delay the Proceedings.—(Hear, hear, hear ! from
both sides of the House.)—He trusted he had not
formed this opinion on incorrect grounds, nor
came hastily to it ; • and therefore if their Lord-
ships should now agree with him, he had only to
propose that the Counsel be called in, and in-
formed of their Lordships' pleasure that Coun-
sel do now proceed. He should only add, that if
any proposal of a contrary kind was made from
either side of the House, he must feel it his duty,
as an individual Peer, to say not content to that
proposal.
'F he Earl of DARNLEY rose amidst cries of
" Go on, go on ! !" and observed, that if their
proceedings were to go on at all, they ought to
. be conducted with decency and propriety—(Con=
tinned coughing.)—He declared he should not
have addressed their Lordships, had he not con-
ceived, that though an humble individual in that
House, he had a right to do his duty to his con-
science. If, indeed, this proceeding was to go
oniat all, the proposal of the Noble and Learned
Lord on the Woolsack was certainly the most
proper course. But he was surprised, and this
was the only surprise he felt, that some
Noble Lord or other, more competent than
himself, had not submitted the propriety of
stopping where they were, and not going on
at all. For himself he must take this opportu-
nity of entering. his protest, if he could do no
more, against their going on, as he conceived there
were three distinct grounds why their. Lordships
should immediately put an extinguisher on the
whole. He would shortly state those grounds.—
(Here the confusion increased in the House.)—
The first ground for their desisting was, in his
opinion, the difficulty of pursuing the clue to that
. Conspiracy, as alleged by the Learned Counsel
for the 'Queen. Another ground was the sub-
traction of that most important witness, Rastelli.
The third ground was, the impossibility of procur-
ing the evidence of Baron d'Eude. If any one of
these grounds were good, certainly the whole
three put together were irresistible, and their
Lordships ought to immediately stop ; he, as an
individual, would at any rate enter his solemn
protest against going on.
. Marquess of CAMDEN, in giving his opinion,
that it might be proper for their Lordships to
pause, had reference, as we understood him,
chiefly to the situation of Colonel Brown. From
' the pleasure he had received in his acquaintance
with Colonel Brown, he had attentively read
whatever had been stated with respect to him,
.and he considered it very hard that he should
not shortly be permitted to appear there before
all their Lordships, to state his own defence.
He had understood, all along, that his Noble
Friend (Liverpool) had no objection to an
inquiry being.made-into the conduct of the Milan
• Commissioners. - Colonel Brown had been 14
years a Subaltern itt• his. Majesty's service, and
was seven times wounded. lie trusted it was not
iu the character of their Lordships to think hardly

of such a man, as being soon likely to dishonour
his previous fame; and from all he himself knew
of that Officer, he wished him an opportunity of
justifyi►►g his conduct at once.
Lord HOLLAND was of opinion that it would be
most improper to call for Col. Brown at the present
stage of the proceeding. He wished that he had
not been mentioned as he was ; but when any
Lord thought proper to rise, with the evidence
before the House, and pronounce a panegyric on
Colonel Brown, he must judging from their
evidence, that Colonel Brown's friends would
do better at present to refrain from saying such
things.
The Loan CHANCELLOR here asked, if it was
their Lordships' pleasure that Counsel should
now be called in ?
The question was put, and being agreed to,
the Counsel were called in.
The Loan CHANCELLOR.--I am directed by
their Lordships to inform the Learned Counsel
at the Bar, that it is the pleasure of this House
that there should be no further delay in these
Proceedings.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL now requested, that
Captain Tuomas BRAGGii be called in, who was
accordingly then called and sworn.
Examined by the A TTORNEY-G ENERAL.
Q. Captain Briggs you have stated that you
commanded his Majesty's ship the Leviathan, at
the time her It. H. the Princess of Wales was on
board?—A. 1 did.
Do you remember the circumstance of Lieut.
Hownam's being on board that ship at the same
time do.
You stated that Bergami was also on board

that ship ?—I did.
Do you now recollect your having had any con-
versation with Lieut. Hownam at that time re-
specting Bergami, and what passed then ?
Here Mr. BROUGHAM objected to the question
at first, but soon waived the objection he had
made.
The question was repeated in the original terms,
when it was answered in the affirmative by Cap-
tain Briggs.
Was the conversation you had about Bergami's
being allowed a seat at her Royal Highness's
table ?—lt was.
State what Lieut. Hownam said to you ?

observed to him that Captain Pechelf told me
that Bergami stood behind her Royal Highness's
chair at table when she was on board the Clo-
rinde ; and I asked him how it happened that
Bergami was admitted to her table; his reply
was, he was very sorry it was so, he was sorry the
Princess had admitted him ; and that he had en-
treated her on his knees, and with tears in his
eyes, not to permit him to sit at table with her,
but it was all to no purpose.
Did Lieutenant Hownam state to you when
this happened ?—He, did not state the precise

time.
To the best of your recollection, -what did
Lieutenant Hownam say ?—Why, speaking to the
best of my recollection, he told me it happened
the day the situation of Bergami was changed,
or the very first day that Bergami dined at her
Royal Highness's table, when Bergami's situa-
tion was changed.

Cross-examined by Mr. BROUGHAM.
Q. When did this conversation happen with
Lieutenant Hownam ?—A. In our voyage be-
tween Porto Fanaro and Palermo.
I mean in what year, or what part of the
year ?—ln the month of November.
Who were present at the time ?—I do not re-
collect if any one was.
Pray try to recollect ?—We were in conversa-
tion together walking on the deck.
You do not mean to represent that this was the
only conversation you had with Lieut. How-
nam ?—No.
Have you ever seen Lieut. Hownam since you
quitted that ship ?—Yes, I have.
State when and where that was 2—He came to
me one morning from Brandenburgh House, and
wanted to know what kind of evidence I meant to
give here, but I would hold no conversation with
him on, that subject.
Mr. BROUGHAM.—YOU did• very right in that.
At what time in the morning was this ?—I
think about seven o'clock.
Did he ask you any thing else ?--He wished
me to tell him if any alterations had been made in
the cabin of the Leviathan when her Royal High-
ness came on board, as he himself could re-
collect none; I expressed to him my surprise
at this, and at length brought to his recollection
those alterations, by reminding him that the al-
terations were made in his own presence.
The Examination was going on when our
Reporter left the House.

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THE SUN.

110 LEM OUtS DICERE FdLSUM AiIDgJIT

LONDON,
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 24, 1820.

It is some consolation to the outraged feelings
of the People to find that the Counsel for THE
QUEEN have a length closed their Defence, and
it ought not to be imputed to her MAJESTY, if
they have resorted to legal subtleties, and all
the artifices which a resolute Advocate can adopt
to serve the cause of his Client, even, as Mr.
BROUGHAM said, if he were to risk the destruc-
tion of the Country. It is not her fault, that iu
the concluding proceedings Mr. BROUGHAM re-