The Sun.
London, England, 1842-02-25 00:00:00

hi niereY, we entreat you to live and let live."—( Hear, hear. )
VVOY refuse them such a fair request ? They would
.et them five happily and securely—they would scorn to rob
!hens of anything which belonged to them ; and it was unjust,
it was cruel, it was unmanly, nay, more, it was dishonourable and
beneath the character of Englishmen, that t the House of Commons
should be found advocating a measure which would rob and plunder
•,,ate People.— (Loud cheers.) The Honourable Member for Man.
theater,ea the night before last, had given his advice to the farmers
, 1
„,, , i arid. VS hy, if they looked to his political conduct they
.England not see match to admire.—(A laugh.) The farmers of
liroorogteclantido,nsaid the Hon. Member in conclusion, "look to the
wa of their country for protection, and when they lose that
you may depend upon it that if they fall you fall
Mr, Hon. Gent resumed hi: seat amidst great cheering.)
si 'r• BROTHERTON rose amidst cries of " Order, order,i '
, ar. hart" and much confusion. He said that any one who
anew h-
beberlM—(Hear, hear, and much laughter)—was aware—(Hear,
. and some interruption.) What he wished the House do
'eve was, that he would not use any expression which he would aetlecehire to hear a sense different horn that which he meant to
at,,,, t° it•—(Hear, hear.) When he (Mr. Brotherton)
t't -'" that he believed the Honourable Member
aoproyStoticikeport (Mr. Cobden) never had a mill in his life—he did
word mill in its common acceptation, and he did not
lltiPPose.for an instant (Mi..iaterial cries of " Oh, oh'')—that a
iven444 different from what he applied to the word would be
HPr'it. He (Mr. 13rotherton) had read in the newspapers of the.
bac; Resober h ;
's
--ar.Rg possessed a mill, and of his having sold it
uhd 4se it was not a profitable concern. It was perfectly
je; "'toed when they spoke of mills, that they meant cotton, woo. I.
ben'esOr silk Mills. —(Cries of " Oh, oh," from the Ministerial
1,,,„.ri.) The lion. Gentleman himself (Mr. Ferrand) knew the
w.i.ctozienrgtotiof) theilad word mill in that respect—(Ministerial cries of
xr_u. oll,a and counter. cries of " Hear, hear.") If he ( Mr.
made use of an expression calculated to give a
tracetg •idea of his meaning, he would immediately re.
lt*--( Hear, hear.) If the Honourable Member
°PPOsite we, '
It iitoo, ,_ to read the name of his correspondent,
that . s. be found that the letter which he had read to the House
appoov.etLing proceeded from one of his (Mr. Brotherton's) political
seek, .as: However, he would not return evil for evil. -He had.
N. *wo letters respecting the Hon. Member opposite, expressive
."
the v
but alue (as we understood) which was put upon his assertions;
it he
t (Mr. Brotherton) would not deign—[Here the . Hon.
• Know)eer W, as again interrupted by the noise that prevailed in the
,h. When be again became audible, he was stating that—
_, Would not deceive the House in any one way. With that de_
'4ll.Tilan he Would sit down: •
,7. COnrs
....EN said lie might as well state, once for all, that he
.4alßeeo:aidered that it was not the disposition of that House to in.
assitte 4„gniss Personalities.—(Loud Opposition cheers.) H. e could
fate nt"°o• Gentlemen who might ingeniously devise partizan
.wa.r-
teriailthat character—(Cries of " Spoke, spoke," from the 3f,tuis-
the , Oenclies, responded to by Opposition cries of "Hear, he.ar )
houisneo should never be drawn into personal altercations in thatt
that tic, It was disrespectful to the country that sent them o
14 aih.„-use---(Hear, from the Opposition Benches)—and he might
...4,11-"ed to add, he trembled for the dignity of the House—(Hear)
esi,,le4 be found language such as they had been listening to that
i
i, tmile. received with complacency.—(Cries of " Spok.e,
Illell,n," " Hear, hear," and " Order.") He did consider
tl4agile-"gdY of that House in some danger, when he found la. tr.
the 1 and demeanour such as they had heard and witnessed during last hale hour, received with so much complacency by RHigo
tlet,b4ehtleMen on the Treasury benches, and cheered
Omer !ta behind them.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," `l')YOreloer.,
. k i amidst which the Hon. Gentleman resumed his sea,it.)
ii
'ltart..l,lll\l)LEY rose amidst much noise, and cries of Order,
Met ith and
raid that in addressing the House
had jiipetaPieY speech—(Hear, hear, and much laughter)--w idi.,
advant • been delivered he had to contend with considerable 1,..
heyagek He Must confess he had formed a very erroneous ospai-s
,
14hadie assemblage which he now addressed, if such attack
Yl2, latetY witnessed could be generally mad.s. in that House.
ouse-;.(7,flied a very erroneous opinion of what it became the
'eking . "ininOnS to do, if such speeches as they had just heard
'neat „ed to privileges of Parliament. He would not for. a mo.
it ence the assertions Of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. larrand),
int hi_Wetlld declare this, that if he entered that house,iiprodfieess.).
Wolila'hr4.ll the friend of the woi king classes, he (Mr.
Qat% he his appearance in it, but on the part of the. Hindley)
ill the. "e would entreat the Hon. Member to show more judgment
4,osell.b.,ehalf, else he (Mr. Hindley) feared he would betray their
Nadi_ With respeet to the question before the House wasMt
his int`Y)
.did not intend to make it a party puestion. It. `not
:altisheltl44 to attack the agriculturists as if
.they were moreld
._"Nel t,,a,n any other portion of the community. He would
,sotishn,,, "" terms of opprobrium and reproach, feeling
Jiitio,"'etl that
• het mts to ft, instead of being useful, they would be rather in.
.. oe „,, ".e cause which he advocated. [Here the Hon.
of the
goliellai"'e quite inaudible Its the gallery, in cons
1/44,0 at prevailed in the body of the House, when consequence
weu ewnecree la again
,aa teed.cateh his 'voice.] He was contending that the Corn-
hi,
otiegiol4B to raise the price of corn, had considerable influenceclaws
IN, tht abont the present distress. His objection to the Tt-
aad e at; theY were based on unjust principles. The Legislature
at'd tir,lit to Pass laws contrary, in their principles, to the laws o
'it', Ir; Oature. That was the opinion held by a high legal autho-
414mthr4 Chief Justice Holt. That Learned Judge had stated that
,4Petie,,°,,se °undations, namely, the laws of nature and revelation
'eere. ".all human laws, and uo human laws should contradict
°lt, .kaihe opinion of Horne Tooke was, that the laws
4 5ha...... should confirm the laws of God and of nature.
if he Cm not have alluded to this view of the subject so strongly,
ktitiu'„d 11°t Perceived that it had been the ground of many of the
kit ..
Presented to the House on the subject. Tkat was the
.enlbdatakeh by the ministers of religion in their opposition to the
ha ; their petitions against the Corn laws prayed
e
%Nat, e'r, tonnediate repeal, because those laws s
1/4 that 1° the laws of God and of Nature. They
41 1-'" th • ible because they prevented
t) ft ose laws were indefens , .
,klatulet, changing the products of their industry for food. iinoatlhlye
'14141,„ "tell they preferred, thus adding to the curse originally
1,444 "eed
b e, - °Don man, "In the sweat of
0141-Land they did add to that curse in enacting laws by
"tetaii74 Were not allowed to change the products of their ls,
th444se .'„ '4. It was acting contrary to right, contrary to common.
,44—",coutrary to justice to edact such laws. It was weakening
.ciejtj 'e of the Constitution, and subverting the foundations of
t'Phn Viear, hear.) If they were to pass a law
that all per_
i:431,.4„-!" John should pay a tax, althought it might be afixed
:**-litatt" that all persons named Robert should pay a tax, although
410140* a sliding scale, he thought the Johns and the Roberts
'it „le arople cause to complain of the injustice of such an enact •
1Plaill; 1/4 that the whole House would admit thejustiteof their com-
0, .• l•Itd tlnanimousiy vote for the immediate repeal of such a
talk-",see Corn-law was just such a law, it inflicted a tax up'.n.
of
•other classes.—(Loud cries
, lxv. aeit for the benefit of certain
.„' b''h„4le,'') The upholding of such a law must have a tendency
':;,:1),PI hi laws into disrepute. Dr. Chalmers in his treatise
T..' 4 51
economy, bad said that, for the sake of the moral
b: a: ocietythe was no achievinent more worthy than the
'V44
IP"' a free there
t in corn, because there was no law
sAt 4t-ese.'4.4. all feelingraWaes more asily
of " Divide, di.
excited than against the
I,7s"s, ."Og a free trade in corn.—(Loud cries .
}:tolt.• 'Ltd • great confusion, which continued during the
t'w
;40,,.'"gie the Honourable Member was addressing
.'441/4 h„--e.) Ile would say that on that account. itf
;,-lie,d• "' Well to rid tt Statute.book of such a law.—(Cries o
is itie-:.0;) fob was contrarye to the law of God, and entancul
h:44k tl Unjustly to man. The operation of that law w s
ithe-4 set, 7f Lent harvest more profitable to the agriculturist
entrful harvest, while it pressed in such seasons upon
etill,ec-!nalerclai classes ' with double severity, not only by
a4tatitN the prrceof food, but by the derangement of
pay for every grain
to roh°l'ePiirlticed b our having to
cornY purchased under such circumstances,
silLtilt 40)',..an, not in manufa,ctures. . He felt surprised that the
1,7, 0414," uentleman the \ ice President of the Board of Trade,
,;.7.ittt the'd allusion to the argument that the corn purchased at,road
tiul 1414 °Peration of the sliding scale was paid for in
%buwialisotno,
'ere hOfectured ' The operation of the Corn.law.
ti. eat am . goods' • ' on the agricultural
11-mes. toi . eMnt harvests inflicting any injury
g, th. 41‘t they made a deficient harvest inflict a severe injury
ttas, eenuatercial classes. They had heard a gleat deal rle.
.-4, 'lithe operation of the Corn-laws on wages. Hon. Genktineg-
;asel:elid.eavoured to impress upon the minds of the working
age's a" °Pinion that if the Corn-laws were altered the rate of
._•libuid°4ld come down. He took a different view of the subject.
Zits atae-'4ot deny that in all over-peopled countries the price of
Itivitlbesi i -flldfett. nPon the price of corn. But was this country over.
1'44, ,114 the it Were so, it was in consequence of their own fault
1i th1444,f.",eY not allow themselves to hale the use of the
,I:ityitc,mtler!ca, and the Americans to have the use of British
litoettle / Petrnitting a free interchange of commodities ? If that
es.. ~
ti 04, --,tney would find that the country was not over.peopled.
gai4l..Yos,;;P2P.ulation of which they complained so much was en.
th 'cliet 11.1 to the operation of the Corn-laws. T.herßyigashot
one of
,ettilia:u alluded to the great increase in machin.edie
olattins-. °I. the existing distress. Now his (Mr. Hin y's).gre.atl
teN5.,4,41-"i toto the Corn.laws was, that they gave. an artificial
ea;014e,.),:i the use of machinery. Every improvement in
t • lalseurwas Made with a view of superseding the employment of
t pthir p °is and it Was the operation of the Corn-laws that forced
rit.lelatao,bysa• The machine did not eat bread, and the manufac_
thr esso,k
.employint machinery was enabled'to..make one maa
„...etpatto_or four, saved the tax upon bread which was paid by
471114 wiT'poTo‘leleY had forced the phootrhehfaotirde-ilgonomiaboweavers to
labourer, who
,4041otb,at"t°,,zed
eor.rloo.ornlst, awnadsavlasionwtoit,ay
that the price of labour
4(14' tit): aitePt °P by the good-will of the masters ; they could
the entod oever they might
il'
s'esiMus
a be to assist their labourers,
albs rites att'et •Pay them a greater
.amount of wages than
hi, thek to viltich the goods were sold in the market would
aqelf Imd, PaY• In 1835 the Hon. Member for Oldham and
4; ttien,- mrawn the attention of the Right Hon. Bar?nseot,hiweehro.
he. t 0 l$ h°W, at the head of the Government, to thisosome
... a, tean.....te cornMuuications had taken place betwceeomin_ss.on!
till •kitiluoteturers in Lancashire and the Poor.ladwo.
labourl t
~, Commission-
that: ietilatuareW of distributingthethesurt
manufacturers. With
4th4aLhitled% '4,, kr. daitstitgrigcetsridgaemohnagd gone clown to Manchester,
x. 48e peso rPearea
%Id a,kille there every market damyanoyn
fatmhethesEx-
as ,s__ Waht every manufacturer. how
-1, 44th fromLis-
k ..'""°,11 Y, and disposing ofthe agricultural labourers
iikuestetr,„ erpool disposed of. their cottons, or as the
th, mit xi -"ttfaeturers themselves disposed of their cotton goods.
besit4tOuf "'her for Oldham moved that the correspondence of
Iv .asie 1441114 es,
~. with the Poor-law Commissioners should be laid
sir,b....4l,Posed i'ael and he (Mr. IL) seconded the motion; but it
the.:l44t, ':1)e Right Hon. Baronet, though he did not speak
1,,,,_' WeSe,, 4 Was lost by 123 to 3; and now, after five years
gle
oat `.14 that whatever the state of the country there would be
:4'le:lot 0; ,rl.,eoTrlplaint, and some individuals would be distressed.
rag "e
(kr i ts—i'ilde.") The Hon. Memoer for Ste disport had said,
thc'at... '') agreed with him, that if they took the quality
spngitth lalboeles into consideration- they would receive from the
IP44lite 4rer More than from any other. Hon. Gentlemen
d1a,,,,_ reUtt
ret. ,uuch remember that if they had no machinery and no
ek e-QM 1,43 raills were derided—there would be no necessity
kr, -t theis. "w•---(1-1ear.) Why, they might, if they pleased, ex.
1.'414 he- e°rn but if they had'no mills they would not get the
;%4441 t: n°W obtained for it, and which he (Mr. HindleY)
;allued er would continue to receive.—(" Divide, divide.") Heo
to thata Petition the other day from a hand-loom weaver wh
2°11%41y .._ he eoOld nut now obtain by six day,' labour what he
Prot 3d, f4', eived for one, and that he could not even now obtain
14:ch.,114i0n. othre.rnPloyrnent he had formerly.
.T.tiat was the de-
i11:744414G `"e Poor rnan's prcperty, and it the
extent,
ago. 4 theA entlenaen opposite was depreciated to the same
~
property of
ti4oleldestadthrlZ !w.tlY 5,000/. a year from the property which 14 year
would make the
tia, eor c,,____ "13,0001. a-year, how score they
working
i‘ ;set to,,,_e,imons legislate on the subject for them. The
.cch 4 rt,". ' cl to th
-oern for justice, and hoped they would not maked
'atilt wi7teciation of their prep'erty. He did not wish to fin
oiittioltialtv, iiit Meaooferereyd,
tahned he thought, when properly re-
ws,kt now suppose that a
he
he
sucls a case he wo:lasel
and th . SUPPIY England greates.t benefit on society. He
machine wash, invaeonyted
quantity,whieh
and ia` such invention with corn
theaansknouncedidontheßilgst of August last ;
ht Hon. Baronet
1Z
the°:r ':1, man
Months for deliberation ewliboeuration as was granted to him
Theo all un iiii:en, manufacturers ; arid would not
,his own sup.
otztletgislate on the subject. at once .—, D
Zlitie:rhe%h.Z`t mot t
ease
ftoo such a machine,. and yet there was no
for
of. machinery producing goods
!otinti. thetalight exchange or foreign coin to be brought to this
incitiv,,,;.X. ewOuld sa
gott ie,,ulturists
__t_ it is said that Y
Ilut 'th a principle that
lc depended the welfare or misery of 8,000,000
, therefore, that the Corn-laws inter_
was sound in itself.—(Dlvide,. di s ide.)
there were peculiar burdens affecting t.he
.
whichmr
Thenered protection necessary. (cites
, Oh ,
-Nile ' "i'') eyed
t Hm. Baronet might, perhaps,
aseti et that crudest
he ii,Y °I, the 't
Hindley) volunteered a declaration for-
rs.vhtich gave off:nee to his constituents ;
bt4.4-"en thought
,ingeetcubeteunrisat
htande
Sea eh'. but he
affected by peculiare
tate, 7t,c2nfessed he could not tell. He knew°Bt
sskedwewrehatth ehabturtdheenspwooerra,.. ppoved". Land-tax were mentioned, but he never heard it
°ther tt.
-istdatia
proved
of the conanunit
h Portia:la the
is were affected more than
Y. He asked now to have these_
Yeti t wa.P.r ed. He did not believe they could be proved, and
s in considetation of such burdens that the Noble Lord the
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