The Sun.
London, England, 1842-03-11 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

INCISE OF LORDS, March Di
tim T,
4" 1-41ANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-
. tnsiiartly. after Five o'Clock.
114 VIVIAN presented petitions from Truro and
1:41;
PraYing for the repeal of the Corn-laws.
ter4 EVERSIIAM presented petitions from se-
alti_tnuons in the county of York, praying for an
-lAtion of the Poor-laws.
on DUCHY OF CORNWALL.
°fp., the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the Duchy
rawall Bill was read a third time and passed.
mitt e: Van Dieman's Land Bill went through Com-
ora b,
ParjeC -"tIOUGHAM presented a petition from the
total of t. Martin's in-the-Fields, praying for a
N'obl„aind immediate repeal of the Corn-laws. The.
4iBte-1-4°rd also presented a petition from the
.11-
ehaZ,s, elders, and congregation of a Presbyterian
,sti-Lin Tyrone, praying that a declamatory law
Passed with respect to Presbyterian mixed
froili•
s. The. Noble Lord also presented a petition
ethitivits2elhadyoohr,, Aldermen, and Corporation of the
complaining of the present city
of
tcnYards as exceedingly dangerous to the health
Pisces inhabitants, and praying that public
thou -11 °f interment may be provided. He
the t the subject was one which deserved
rious attention of their Lordships.
fronl The Earl of KINNAIRD presented a petition
thp the trades of Dundee, praying for a repeal of
- orrio
Lord Corn-•
Pr% CAMPBELL presented a petition from a
bowiterian congregation in Dromore, county ofd
ttiarri: Praying that the Presbyterian mixe
Lord gs", rimy be declared valid. The Noble
!eeei„,,,-44, he wished to state that he had
Irelahri'', a letter from one of the Judges in
A46-.4 informing him, that at the late Carrickfergus
litnil;"8 a case had come before him which was exactly
I'ves-r, to that upon which the first decision had been
dud in reference to these marriages. 'The Learned
ill this instance, , not being perfectly satisfied
special,Niet, had directed that there should be a
'efor„krdict, in order that the question might come
efo `"Queen's Bench in Ireland, and afterwards
v re their Lordships. He (Lord Campbell) he-
by
;that the man would be in a position to be tried
Best• Ler(lghips in May next ; and he would sug-
proo n, ether it would not be better to suspend all
After ga until their decision had been given.
'4OR ta few words from the LORD CHANCEL-
Lord
aich were inaudible,
ho CAMPBELL said that the voice of this
these-would no doubt be in favour of the validity of
Aek„rtia,rriages, and if they were made valid, the
Ti„ .-44 be a declaratory one.
41eaciy LORD CHANCELLOR said that he had
see
war Pi'sh the object, which should not operate one
eOrcri ttille,i,ot_he_r, by any inference, direct or indirect.
4111esitin BROUGHAM stated that his anxiety on this
"ti Would not be at all diminished, or his exer-
a,ltlern'ohSat all relaxed, by a little delay and further con-
-"
of the question ; he prayed that their
nishi
Witte 11, Would defer this question for a Corn-
'
fe's' 01°1' the House. He had made these
Part crvations to account for his taking no
tsar the matter at present, but he believed it ne
g -
Who that some relief shoud be given to the parties-
ad suffered from this measure.
N ENGLAND AND FRANCE.
•911ese Marquis of CLINRICARDE wished to ask. a
Aft4i.°ll,„,°f the Noble Lord, the Secretary for Foreign
the table he Noble Lord the other day laid despatches on
tt% bY order of her Majesty, relative to a conversa-
Lwe-
-44 ted pen the French Ambassador. and. himself,
a"ary 28. He the(Marquis Clanricarde) had
rved •
krerlti the public papers, that, since that date,_
qamelsti 'lad been made of the subject in the French
..,er
°incial 8' He wished to ask the Noble Lord if? any
Lomecullnunication had been received by him .
IsTA-11,4,13ERDEEN—None whatever.
Th;-SIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND).
• ari arquis of LANSDOWNE wished to draw
tsioo in of their Lordships to the state of educa-
-laj'n Ireland, and to ascertain the intention of her
Illetih3:,is Government on the subject. Since the
°n the Parliament a Report had been laid
cation :a"le of the House relative to the state of edu-
f411,2,11 that country, emanating from the Board of
lu the "on there ; from that Report it appeared, thaNt
Year preceding that in which the Reportwdr
less than 400 schools had been
t4a ki..,„ead
number of those already established,
d
n°w, altogether, 2,000 schools. In those 400
t„ he 4lvere not less than 60,000 scholars. Amongcy
the ,• ,vu schools which had thus been added, durin,,
A'4l Preceding that Report, he was happy
.to
s at no less than 290 were in communion with
sl'resetill°l of Ulster, which represented the great
'ht:dta:iiiee"an body of Ireland. It appeared, also,
be Report, that far more effectual progress
'posiece made than heretofore in that which he
devised to be an indispensible element in any well.
Prot4 Scheme of education, namely, the training of
iNi.•-r1 teachers. But, notwithstanding those gratify-
hat Irewnstances, rumours had gone abroad
was the intention of her Majesty's o-
1.41 -
e be,:rq u,
to withdraw or to alter the present grant.
nil/1514RM leavo to say that to those rumours he
thatcLr attached no credit; ind he did not believe
%.v0,4113'r such intention existed on the part of the
4111101ent. But it was sufficient excuse for his
abroad' to the subject that such reports had gone
°f (1„ ' and it Was highly important that the intentions
tivorie,,v,ernment upon the subject should be thoroughly
.lierds-1°°"1- He made no apology, ther.efore, to their
`gat ips or the Noble Duke for asking him, now
Nrsti° estimates for the ensuing year must be int
Were de of Preparation, whether or not the Government
1)044
,terinined to continue the grant and the present
trtai;,,,,lle put the question from a sense of
.the irt-
ords,
• of the subject and the interest which their
44,1 itigys took in the improvement of the education
tl‘oe welfare of the Irish people.
had• e
'O4 of WELLINGTON said, that though
;-,e.en apprised of the intention of the Noble
tlrrelL-s ‘o Put a question relative to the education grant
,"nti ,441, he had not been aware of his determina-
n, ~‘° advert to the Report which had been laid
q'terr- the Rouse. If he had been aware of such ha
tho4hiation on the part of the Noble Marquis,
be
ti,vat',l have Prepared himself to make some o -
e'-rls upon the Report. In answer to
Ivi4hPestion put by the Noble Marquis, he
Prork,t° say- that the Government did intend
bitlY I„se a continuation of the grant in question.
4441-ration which might be made would not take
t4tPre4„t4.-,_ after the most mature consideration,. for
„c'as sent ne, with many others, thought those institu-
"o intimately connected with the improvement
D'a 6,l)e°Ple of Ireland generally. He had a.l-
thenot -' his own opinions on this subject—he
entirely approved of their proceedings since
althe gerT4l,encement, but he had invariably supported
teritcrlis made by Government, and opposed the
fit,.),118 proposed by other Noble Lords. At pre,-
"c would say that he was not. di..
t, t!), encourage any alterations, much
-rrea -;,,(-10 away with a system. which eon-
Ntiltr,"P°rtant advantages on the people of that
is a„ 'tarquis of LANSDOWNE was glad to hear
th,.l,wer, and therefore it would be now understood
6.Wctild ;Ileuits of the present system that no alteration
o:rt of-ah'e Place in it without full consideration on the_
i,,,rPortiit,-;er Majesty's Government, or without ample
-°lltls-f.tY being given to the public to examine t
'''r such proceedings.—(Hear.)
r,‘l ATHE NEW POOR LAW.
ftorTi --4NI-10pE said, that having understood
of s „ Noble Duke that there was no objection
Z‘ the he t once move for a return
ofiltr"er of -houseswork in England. and Wales,
Yesr :'le number of poor persons in each, in every
°„1, the -Ist of January, 1838, to the 31st
111 Pe:eat-I.'l4ller, 1841, giving the average number
each year ; also the number of deaths
Ivh,elthi
tli of ear, and their causes. He hoped this motion
August,
a better fate than that he moved on the
-11 gust, 1839, for the expenses of new expe-
L'tessm-bnnder the new Poor-law. He had not 3L-
'''rverl;;,"s impatience heretofore, because in each !n-
-litin '-fg Session there had been under discussion
(Earlol. the Amendment of the New Poor-law.f
Stanhope) would then give notice, that
'tn, the :terns were not laid on the table of the House
that 0111341'8e of a vet few days, he would move
inat • a-Y presented forthwith and as it appeared
of Bill now in progress in the House
l
for tCnraons, having for its title, " A
for thin
Improvement of the Importation
_of
ititeutr C°rn," he would state to their Lordships hi_s_
ships, uPon the reading of that Bill in their Lord. that d --Louse, to move, as an amendment, that it be read
I")rasuilY• six tnontiis. He entreated the attention of their
ti,4. its t° the petition which he was then about to
but yet -i-twas from a member of the humbler classes,
scOtune contained the language, and expressed the..
thriiisa Ms which were entertained by hundreds of
Abrahlliis of his fellow subjects ; that petition was from
ashir.e Leach, of Rochdale, in the county of Lan-
hope) • It w•ould be unnecessary for him (Earl Stan-
"Pinic,„tcs ,°ecupy their Lordships' time by stating his
elasses-% in favour of the interests of the humbler,
tut,nti of this country. He would call their Lordships
The tot lae causes of the distress which prevailed.
reetkv:iener proceeded to state, and most cor-
poseJ that Government was instituted for the pur-
t,hati eeoLiseueliuirint g to each individual
.member of
y the enjoyment of his rights. He
NN'as that
pin
the operation of machinery his labour
that emPlqed•
their L , • The prayer of the petition was
considerat. °rdships should take this into their serious
labourinc,,l", and to devise some means whereby the
vIIe he irheu n might be restored to his former position
cp: I could command the comforts of life.
11144 Star4l°Pe) was one of those who
at h ad • • • l -a down
t en_ nuied the rights of man as al
• -"awe
noeluent of the French Revolution,

wh -.Teby a man was at liberty to do what
he liked with his own. That was the princip'e
he wished to see carried into executio -1 to tl e
fullest extent. No man had a right to eo
anything which could interrupt its execution.
He (Earl Stanhope) considered the petitioner had
just reason to complain of the injury which had
been done him. He thought that the proposed
system of the Corn-laws would only increase
these growing evils, which were so severely felt by
the labouring classes. If he (Earl Stanhope) was asked
what remedy he proposed, it would be this, that
those who deprived others of employment ould
be compelled to furnish them with other employment,
or to pay them for the labour they had lost.
From information which he had received from a large
manufacturer, the person who, some years ago,
received 4s. 6d. for his labour, was now in the receipt
of only 10(1., and it frequently happened that he could
not even get that. Was it possible that in such a
such a state of things he could feel any attachment
to existing institutions, that he should not feel a spirit
of revenge which circumstances might cause to ex-
plode? In justice to these unfortunate persons, the most
industrious citizens in the country, he would
strongly urge their Lordships to take these circum-
stances into consideration. They were not to be
relieved by a free trade in corn or by a fixed
duty, or by a sliding scale. But the only relief
which could be applied to them was to oblige those
who deprived them of employment to support them
at their own expense.
The petition was then laid on the table.
Lord MONTEAGLE said that with regard
to the returns which the Noble Earl desired
should be laid on the table, the , delay, if
any such existed, was attributable, not to the public
officers, but to the Noble Earl'himsclf, who neglected
to renew his order. He could not, however, sit down
without protesting against the doctrines of the Noble
Earl, or allow such opinions to go forth to the public
without opposing them. The petition of the
Noble, Earl came from a hand-loom weaver,
and it was the most absurd doctrine to suppose that,
by taxing the commercial and manufacturing
industry of the country, the distresses of the people
could be relieved. There was scarcely any enjoy-
ment in life to which machinery did not contribute,
and yet the Noble Earl said that it was by tax-
ing machinery, and only by that that jus-
tice could be rendered to the people.—(llear.)
He protested against the doctrine of the Noble Lord,
as subversive not only of the institutions and the
greatness of this country, but of civilisation and hap.
piness throughout the world.
Earl STANHOPE had not expressed any
wish that improvements in machinery should be
prevented, but that those who benefited by them
should support those who were thereby thrown
out of the means of subsistence. When the Noble
Baron spoke of the greatness of this country, and
the civilisation of the world to those 800,000 hand-
loom weavers, they considered the greatness of the
country was no benefit to them, and that their condi-
tion would be far better, if the whole land of Britain
was
-at this day uncivilised. If they persevered in the
present course,
_they must not be surprised if the
peace of the country was not much longer preserved.
The Earl of DEVON could not agree with the
Noble Baron opposite (Monteagle) that when an ad-
dress was presented to the Crown for certain papers,
and an answer was returned, that the adjournment of
Parliament interfered with the presentation of those
papers.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved for a
return of all Ecclesiastical Benefices granted in Ire-
land since the passing of the Act of the 3d and 4th of
William IV.
LOAN SOCIETIES' BILL.

On the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE, this
Bill went through Committee.
APPRENTICES' REGULATION BILL.

The Apprentices' Regulation Bill went through
Committee. •

BAPTISTS' AFFIRMATION BILL.

Lord DENMAN said, in consequence of some-
thing that had fallen from a Noble Lord the
other evening, he begged leave to present a Bill
to enable persons of that denomination, called Baptists
and Anabaptists, to make affirmation instead of takin;
an oath. It was really a matter of infinite import-
ance to all concerned, and several petitions had been
presented to that House-from persons belonging to
that sect, expressing very strong opinions as to
the unlawfulness of the practice of taking an oath.
It was not the universal opinion of the Baptists, but
many members of that persuasion entertained the
scruple ; and to relieve them from it would be quite in
uniformity with the practice of their Lordships' House
in the case of Quakers. He thought that their Lord-
ships would see that there was no reasonable objection
to the measure, and he would therefore move that
the Bill be read a first time.
The Bill was then read a first time, and ordered to
be read a second time to-morrow.