The Sun.
London, England, 1818-04-16 00:00:00

( OTTON MANUFACTORIES.

Lord STANLEY presented a Petition from certain Indivi-
duals connected,with Cotton Manufactories in the county of
Lancaster, against "the Cotton Manufactory Regulation Rill.
After- a desUitury!'conversatiou, in wlkich Sir It: I'EEL,
.Mr.
FINE.Ar, and other Hon. Members pa)tiCipated,
Lord STANLEY, in reply, contended those opposed to the

. . .
Bill ought to have an opportunity afforded them of proving
the imputations which bad been thrown on their chatActets
were unfoninled.
Mr. Puti,Ltrs rose to speak on the question, but the _dis-
cussion was terminated by Mr. PEEL, who remarked that the
siillri,4
proper time tor ent riin.,,. upon .this subject would arrive nn
Friday, when'tbe It Would-rfiime -before the House as an
Order of the Day.-1 Petition was:ordered to belirinted.
Mr. GREINfFELLsprXe, but from tire-tioise which irre.ridried
in the House, coutajOrt
J2e.heori iv the gallery.l4le-ws
nntlerstood to rise for the purpose ol postpeniik a motion,
that the import:63i litusiness to come before thelfouje might
be proceeded in withoi,t delay. . .. ,

PROVISION }:9IR THE ROYAL DUKES.
On-the motion crie-LordCastlereagh the House
resolved itself into—er 'Committee
,on the Prince.
Regent's Message. The Message having been
read,
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, under any circum-
stances to call the attention of the House to a
Message like that now about to come under their
consideration, than which one of more import•
ante to the best interests of the country never
came §,efore Parliament,
,was a task which he
could (t;o1 rise to perform without feeling. all it.
difficulty. But the House must be aware, after
the ten4er which had been manifested in (he pre-
vious debates which had taken place on this subject,
that it became peculiarly his duty to offer the
fullest explanation of the grounds on which Mi-
nisters had deliberately recommended that course
which had been pursued on't his occasion. Among
all the paint-id and difficult 'duties which devolved
upon the NlMisters of the Crown in that House,
there was no class mote. painful to ps.r.forin than
that which required 'them to call upon Parliament
to make arrangements that affected the Civil List,
or to grant a special provision for particular mem-
bers of the Royal Family,. However gieat the
attachment of that ,House to ,the family on the
throne,' and however they might feel that they
themselves were interested in up! olding the
digniq-of the Crown, there was no principle more !
closely interwoven with the working of a free'
Constitution, like that under which we had the
happiness• to live, than that vigilant jealousY,of
Ministers which never tailed Jo &splay itself on
all that regarded the "IThrone. That in modern
times the 'House had, been so frequently
upon to consider of questions connected with the
Civil -List, 'arose in a great measure out of that
arrangement which had been called for by the
House, for the benefit of the people, in the twiner,
part of the present reign, and which had he n
cordially acceded to by the Crown. By this a great
change had heen'made in the Constitution os. the
country: All the great sources of independence
which formerly belonged to the Crown had been
surrendered to that House, to be administered fur
the public benefit, and this had made it necessary
to come to Parliament 'to make a' specific provi-
sion for those exigenciei which might arise. The,
House must therefore feel, that if in former times
such questions were not so often brought before
Parliament as they had been latterly, it was be-
cause on Sikh. occasions the charges necessary.
.to be' borne could be.met by the revenues of the
Sovereign,"arising out of the independent .pro-
perty of the Crown,- without the intervention of
the Legislature. For these, till that arrangement
•was made to which he had already:alluded, the
Crown had the means of prOviding, without com-
ing to Parliament. He did not state thiS with a
view of turning the House from the path of duty
(nor would he do so even if -he could think such
an attempt would succeed), to provide that which
ought not•to be provided. His only object-Was
to shew, that if the applications of the rei4ning
Family to Parliament had been more frequent than
those who had gone before them, it was not be-
cause they had been more improvident than their
predecessors, but in consequence of the reve-
nues, which formerly belonged to the Crown,
having been given to that House, on its binding
itself to provide foe the wants of the Royal Fas.
mily, as circumstances might require, from time
• to time. On the present occasion, remembering
these things, be was confident the House, with-
out
deserting-the interests of their Constituents,
would discharge their duty to the CrowtE. The
present was a question in Which the people had
the deepest interest, and while the House were.,
careful not to do more than was necessary, he was
satisfied they would not be deterred, by-any popu li
-
lar clamour that might have been raised, from 471
ing that which they should feel was necessary to
support the splendour of the Throne. The House
would forgive him, if, after what had.pasied, he
should trespass longer on their time while ex-
plaining what Ministers had thought it their duty
to propose to Parliament, than would have been
necessary under other circus's-stances. To him this !
appeared necessary, for he would not suppose any
Member stood pledgetrto the decision be would
ultimately come to, or any particular line of.con-
dhet, whatever the reasons urged to justify their
adopting a contrary course might be. He would
not suppose suet) a determination had been form-
ed, though he would agr.ee, that in the present
posture of the country, it was their duty, by every
means in their power, to give it that added
strength and security which could alone result
from a good adminiitration of its finances. Though
he 'might differ from the Gentlemen opposite in
the application of the principle, he went along
with them in thinking that it was the duty of the
House in the present instance to look not only;at
the object of the application now made to Parlia-
ment, but also at the actual situation of the coun-
try. While this principle was admitted, he was
confident the .Committee would concur with hiM
in thinking that some further provision aught to
he made for those Illustrious Princes who- had
been bred in the country, in the event! of their
marrying, as it would be felt how desirable it was
that the succession should be continued by a line
of British Princes, WO no•becessity should arise
for placing any .foreign Family on the. Throne.
This, had been most strongly felt at the time Par-
liament met, and all minds were eagerly seeking for
the means of repairing, as far as might be possible,
the loss-which the country had sustained. This had
been the most anxious wish of every goOd sub-
ject. Bad they not been pledged to do so by a
paragraph in the Address, he was sure those who
now heard him, in their loyalty to (he House of
Brunswick, would have been very surry that the
House should separate without having- their at-
tention directed to-this important question. It was
the duty of Ministers to bring it forward, and how
pressingly important was the occasion, from' the
state in which the succession had been .placed' by-the

melancholyevent of the death of the Princess Char- 1
lotte. At the present moment certainly there were ,
moy,illustrious individuals near the Throne, who, I
horri and bred in this country, were. well acquaint;
`ed.with its constitution, its customs, and its laws:
But here tliNcene closed. Of the twelve suey
I lying children of his Majesty, of s o tons ant
five eNtit
daughters,4tO one of them prese d aksuc,-,
eesstir to the Throne. friOte,h thellh pes f'l.se.7l'
curing a regular succession were not closed, all
the members of the Royal Family were so far ad-
vanced in life, that be was sure neither the Legis-
lature nor the country would wish any unnecessary
delay to take place in' the adoption of nreastoes
calculated to secure so de3irahle an object. The
Duke of Cambridge, the youngest son, was now
45 years of age, and none of the Princesses were
under 40. To excite some of the members of the
Royal Ptimily to marriage, was now all object of
much importance to the country ; and those il-
lustrious persoAages owed it, to themselves, to The
Crown, and to the country, if they did not feel
that from some circumsraoces marriage would -be
~perfectly incompatible with their own comfort, to
look forward to a suitable union, that the succes-
sion might not be endangered. A single marriage
%could by no means satisfy the country.' The
Prince Regent, feeling this, had wished his britthers
to, marry. He had slimed 'no preference to any
particular member of the Royal Family, hut had
marked his sense generally that the Crown-and the
country had one common interest in the adoption
of measures to preserve the line of succession
from being interrupted. While attentive to eco-
nomy, the House would not forget what it was
their duty to do, to provide for the comfort of
theSe illustrious individuals in the'marriage state;
and it would 'not be supposed that the allowancei
which they enjoyed at present could be , sufficient
for persons of their exalted reek, when the change
of sitoationcontemplated had taken place. li re-
mained for him to state the considerations which
had influenced 'Ministers when they took upon
themselves to advise the adoption of those propo-
sitions which it had been' intended to lay before
Parliament, and doing this he should state, with•
out the slightest disguise, what had been in con-
templation ; and he should also state what, 'in
deference to the opinion expresse'd in that House,
they now thought themselves justified in pro-
posing. The first propositions had been 'modified
as tar as was thought practicable, consistent with
the plan which had been formed for carrying the
marriages into effect, without degrading the indi-
viduals or involving them - in embarrassments at
the. outset. That which they had first suggested
could not be established on precedent, but the
precedents which had received the sanction of the
House had hail .moch influence on Ministers,
while considerine this matter. ;They had looked
back to what had been done on the occasion:of
' Royal Marriages for a number of years.. But
that which might have been a :suitable provision
20 years, ago, would he found - so inadequate to
meet the expences of a Royal Establishment now,
that-such a comparison was-likely rather to mis-
lead than properly to guide the ylgment'of the
House. When -a provision was'.l-nade -for her
Royal Highness the Princess Charlotte; though
site was not the immediate heir to the Crown, yet
it bad so long been the hope and'the- expectation
of the country that she would one day ascend the
Throne,,that she was adopted as the heir apparent
. by the people, and -Parliament, to give her confi-
dence in their attachment, liad made a provision
for het, on the occasion of her marriage, which
I was not only extremely liberal in itself, but which
at the same time seemed to recognize her as the
successor to the Crown. When the Duke of
York married the PrincesS of Prussia in 1792, the
circumstances under which - that provision was
made for him, which then received the sanction
of Parliament, were certainly: materially different
from those under which it was now proposed that
-a provision for a Royal Establishment shoOld be
made The illustrious individual in whose favour
that provision was made, was then distinguished by
the situation in which be stood with respect
to the Throne: Yet on no principle of reason-
ing could it be maintained that he was then as
near the Crown as the Duke of Clarence must' be
Considered to be at present. The King had not
then reached an advanced 'age, and the Prince of
Wales was a young man, and Unmarried. Yet for the
Duke of York it had been thought right to grant
a provision which, including 3;0001.. arising front
military emoluments, amounted to 40,000 - per
annum. lie was thus recognized by Parliament
as standing very near to the Throne'. Now the
Duke of York having no descendants, and the
Prince Regent having lost the only child with
which Providence had blessed him, the Duke
of Clarence must be considered as standing nearer
to the succession than -the Duke of-York did in
1792. He trusted the House, taking this into
consideration, - would see that -MinisterS, in pro-
posing that the Duke of Clarence under such cir-
cumstances should receive what Parlianient had
given to the Duke of York twenty-six years ago,
when the value of money was much greater than
at present, had treated the question as one purely
British, and had been actuated by no motive that
they could hesitate to avow. With respect to the
juirior branches of the Royal Family, Ministers
had no preciie guide' to go hYoss they bad in the
case of the Duke of Clarence.• They, however,
had wished to keep the expense within the nar-
rowest limits. - He had been unable to give the
House the particulars of What was intended to be
proposed, till an opportunity arrived for explain-
ing the considerations which ' had regulated the
conduct of Ministers in deciding on the amount of
the provision which they had taken upon them-
selves to recommend. They had thought it would
be right to 6(1(1'12;0001: to the existing income
of their Royal Highnesses, which would thus be
raised from 18,0001. 'to 30,0001. per annum. The
House, in looking at the position in which these
Illustrious Personages stood, would see that there
was a marked distinction between their situation;
liying unmarried, and the siitiation in which they
would be placed after marriage, exposed as they
would be to all the contingent expellees of a fa-
mily. Out of the 12,0301. proposed to be granted,
it should be remembered,-that, as in the case of
the Duchess.of York, 4,0001.-was to be dedticted.
He would then appeal to the House, if an addi-
tion 'of 8;0001. or 9;0001. to the income' of the
Royal--Dukes were not necessary, on their mar-

riage, to enable them to live in a manner corre'
sponding with that exalted rank to which it had .
been the will of Providence that they should be
born. Such au augmentation.appeared to hi"'
to be intlispensible, 'to gnitd against that calm
c;
„unity wl 7ch would
„ otherwise occtin ty they
4'nevitab eNuvolved in debt, l-k. would Put
Itmhs,
Ni questic Co the Hoselatint';st? the con!"
vs notwifbatatudkag he itaitation which had
been excited, and' which it was attempted t°
instil into the public mind, and lie felt colt
dent the reaspn,ibleness of the propositioocO(ll`,l`
not ,be dented.--(Bear, hezir, hear !)—lt Coal'
not but_be kuown that there was-a disposition ta ,
inflame the public mind on this subject ; hot
would ask if Ministers were guilty of an improc`
die
dew act in proposing an addition of 8000/.10
incomes of the Royal Dukes on their marriage(
and if, without such an atigmentation, Ow"
wholly exempted from-taxation, their means would
•be sufficient, to carry them and their families 01;
' without 'incurring the reproach of being in de!'t
The 12,0001 proposed was not. a larger sum 08"
appeared to be necessary, when it was retnembe.,,r-. ~
ed that 4000/.• was to be deducted as an all°l ,
1 mice for their illustrious consorts. The case et,
the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester every °I/.6
seemed disposed to look to as furnishing a cerlele
criterion, by which the judgment of the Fits
Might be guided, but no question had been ";
cided in the abstract by that House which eat,
exactly home to the case of these illustrious llyi
viduals. The Duke of Gloucester marryl4o
Princess already endowed by Parliament, At el,or
not thought necessary ,to come to Parliament °t .
any timber provision, as altogether the iticolu 4
his Royal Highness and his Illustrious Cons%
amounted to 28,0001., independent of the miliosir
emoluments enjoyed by his Royal .Highness• be
had not appeared to Ministers that it wouldow
consistent with the dignity of the Throne, de`i,ate.
rately to place the sons of the Sovereign in a9:of •
of subordination and inferiority to the nellbe; it
the Grown 'and his Illustrious Consort. Wb, %It- il
was remembered, that no less than 50,00°,•;bac
been granted to the Princess Charlotte, and of
the Duke of Gloucester enjoyed an iocon-ual
28,0001., he thought it-would be felt they.e°ioa
not deliberately have proposed to give theinioat
branches of the Royal Family any thing 1,14
what they had intended to move for. I-A° et,
then at the situation of the Duke of Giouce-poa
they had thought it but decorohs to reconiTrig
that the income of the younger sons of the P- or.
should be augmented to 30,0001. on their Ilices
rage. had certainly flattered thea'se die
that this proposition would be adopter' bYeca.
House in its largest extent, as it would have v 00
provialed for without throwing. new burtheilLeo*
-the country. Though a determination had,nta,e,'
formerly come to in the case of one Royal ' - ots.
it was intended on this occasion to prorsedot
augmentatirm. In-' the first instance, when, I at,
proposition came before the Home, it wots 'bat
remembered it had received their sanction, lea
was subsequently lost %viten it came 10 be efitit
bodied in a Bill. He thou ht to accede tod(fo;
proposition now would be to do that individw heir
more than justice. When the Bill'was lost,-
'
'feelings exeitedagainst it were peculiar to tlbe a'(l/0
Imeet, which he apprehended et ere no longrog
1 existence. The measure was viewed witb,aiect
1 same vigilant jealousy then which Iliad heel' c at
torth on the present occasion. The marriage 4.
the Duke of Cumberland was. at that time 0 l'i-er
dered rather a p 0
'"' rivate than a public ooe• o:the
circumstances, and the present conditi" blie
Royal Family, made that marriage more -1"01 iatl
than it had appeared before, and Ministers dta
have failed in their duty had they not.re-4)1vee,....
bring' the subject. again before the 'lt'll :vita,
They could, indeed, take no other course erre
out resolving to act on the principle °I P 5,001,1
tual exclusion. He thought the Woe iota
be, unwilling to force that Illustrious Pei's': the
exile. .To him 0a
it appeared but just '6 5 for
same prOvision should he made for him ej'bil
the. junior, branches of the' Royal Family; 501";
whole expence of the proposed arrangeole°'s; tilt'
posing the -Duke of Kent should marry,
ell to
amount annually to 55,5001. It was ortesten 10
give the Duke of Clarence 19,5001. to tualtegle;' are,
income to 40,0001. and to give the Dukes (rtiaasi
berland, Kent, and Cambridge an ad`',,,,,j es !.,,°‘
12,0001: per annum, to bring up their ineai-loaak
30,0001. An outfit to a corresponding 6", ear'
was also to be proposed.. No part of tPO ,eth
rangement of 1792 had been- more dissiV,l. 1;0'
and no part of that of 1815 more iptar-ove"' iv lai
that which related to the outfit, as it wes or:; of;
means of a. liberal outfit that any chance '',,ai.
forded to the Royal Pair of being enabled t°3nre'
getting in debt. The charge created.in tber'fas'
sent year would have been 110,000/. 'The ir'efioge,A
vent annual charge 55,5001. By thigivilL-cvn 0°
ment no new, burden would have heerrlaa-aen e‘eit •
the country, as the- expence would have. lied -141-,
vered by funds which had been estau),,id P-
other purpOses. On this however lie, -it vves,
stress. Either way it would be as brooilis by IP
long, whether the money was advarieeb,aying,
public, or whether they intercepted those ,",,t5."" =
which would otherwise go into their poe-ciod
This did not affect the wisdom or the eo%t tlti'
of the measure. It hoWever did appear "-- .00
expence could he met by-the falling ill "aft cll4'll'.
on the Consolidated Ftind, which either 1',4 itli4
ready ceased, or which would he terminated 'Pe 0
in a very limited period. In the first iust'l"cci'or',
the-death -of her Royal Highness Princess Toe
lotte, there' was, a-, falling in' of 10,00L ~e et-
fund set.oppn from the iacome. of the PrIP) die
Wales for the liquidation of his debts, he 10
satisfaction to state, would in the course oft!I be.
years be liberated,- and thus b 6,0001: %In) (biell
annually• alicable to other purposes, -",' "cte
50,0001.-with the other 10,0001. would have Ar
vered. the whole expence of the intended arraeoialog
ment. Bowing with all deference to the fe 'OO
which bad been manifested . by the House " 0,0
subject, Ministers were still of opinion it vied
their duty in the first instance toact as they
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done, seeing the arrangement contemplated ",e o;
neither have thrown any new hoiden on thel.ooo
pie, nor impoverished the Consolidated xO5
more than it bad been impoverished before-oiclt,.
had,,now to state the outline of the plans. ''otiou
under all the circumstances,- it was the idled to
of Ministers to submit to the House, ow
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:;vde:ol7ilignity lie might meet with from the other
th, . the tiouse, for proposing a smaller sum
heallt " was in the first instance meant to call_for,
be ! "'lll'i never feel the course he was taking to
ahinici`!"istent with the discharge—the hononr-1
thier :',''charge of his duty. -Though ha agree(
he ;44-)e mail who gave tip any public principle to
.w.;t aim
kstrnment of a measure which he . could
verove
duty, ii , abdicates both his charaCier and his
tiro w e w°4ltl cout-end that the present qaes-
10s:.ti '4l one which, from the course taken .by.
prin:l,rs, involved no abandonment of public
Which -11'`e,---(1-lear !)—ln making an arrangement
Fdirl.4 "It'e'ed the junior branches of the Royal
bail there Wqs a marked distinction, as
.be
as „n 'lure contended,- between their_ situation
lie
_lllaried Men, and as being in a married state.
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,tligivit()llceived in the arrangement made, nothing
their '111,4
its, be detliteled from the regular incomesan;
eal,4,llYal Highnesses in consideration_ of
..
s.
liOl,iirientS which they might receive rote
clept,. 'Y. To adopt such a principle, would be to
litedlyte the public of all benefit. that might be de-
-144, ; 'l°4l their talents; and how cruel the sittia-
erl,,,ive'll Which they would be placed, the common
totlls
gilled o hfe taken away from them, and they
Pin?, to feel that nothing they might accom-
tl44- c°4l(l place them in a more eminent sia-
l'tre ,alll°"gh born to an exalted station, they,
tlisr, -reltaY subjected to some cruel privations,
14114blietintis„0(1 exemptions, which fell on
etef's"l'tr class of uthjects. Others, from the ex-
%My ef (4 their talents, might realize fortunes not
It tl, ''t themselves, but for their descendants.—
Itova%lhe Pectiliar lot of the Members of the.
of
,' ramily to be exempted from opportunities
lele-‘l4llllsbilig indepeudvnt fortunes for them'
kik - °' their posterity. It might be wise to
1)1, e "let dependent on the regard of the people,
trtl:e"glit this principle to be pushed to the e.xr:
esr,,al:4gth of forbidding them, under any ci
IN knit'ees, to endeavour to improve their lot,
kt4.4l at, addition to that income wkich veas
b,liltt:(1,11 Parliament ? Tlie whole of the. Royal
ait;h- 1""Y ought to be careful .to - treat only as
'a (I"r.,' "f the
,Royal Family. They ought no
tf th-''' from the personal character of any one
zt4t-iem 0,-, the question submitted tO their coitsi
:Ittlitt°,4' a$ this world on the door to endless
Persle' equally unpleasant and improper, on the
LA 'llmet ifs of intduals.false impression
°f ifg:'li,e broad .011. the subject of the emu
ientist
itlialatia\itZ:relt off Cambridge, at Haub wer,. an' a 'lleit'''etuber had wished some information as to
to be laid before the House. This
11(1,114tit WiliCh could not regularly be given. His
e-
lealat.`lieltiess was exposed to much .roisreptriat
there ,',l' 14 this particular; but he could Itate,•t • .
', n'as nothing in the charac;er of his situa,
'44 L.'"•"tielit to deter the House from spewing
:Isite,,ltetion and their duty, by making the pro•
ne u, 'IN' hial that would be proposed, and which,
ti(ttigii4;l:l4 ',,y, eon., on justice to the individual
--'oetee, them to ngrant. He could assure the
Sal
Sti-,,tnat thiS ilitistrious Duke_ had no iutentiorft
t'sitli'',''''thle himself front this country, or o
411 s, g 1-41''nanently abroad ; nor had he ever-
Lii,ln•ltell intention, for the, whole of his estthae
:4'1444.11'" this country remained during,
the
-41/le foot' lie lie liatt been- abroad, .exactly '"'
hisl
kt,,„,'''l.•i(Lf,'lt'R in which it had been during
.1.
"t'lttite; 1" this country. It
v! e w_._ 0 ttas. ,
t't4 tile Irlr
the tiouse to keep this wialla very
10'
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'''ke aillir ("int of the emolument o. this 11. t
whole
:hull' - Funs material *0 :State, that mah;:aid 0.. f ,
1e • 4„t, his Royal Highness's'l"Y'
)e•tirlr.';`: 41 Hanover, was only about 5300 .aat.
tt.,l -eYond this, all the other enioluntei
24kii,"°` that situation
Ved
Itataie :,' 'lle total amount of his income derii .
did uot exceet n7iosol ,
vet, i;lin,uatiati at the head of the'army in . a
• i t --, 'atm 60001. ear. At the same time
%41-(1,1..4 c°llteilvde that aa tyemporary employmenti
,rltsß,4'in; ;telt as that now held hy-his Royal Hig t-
,,
'"e - '''ght not to weigh with the I-louse in mak-
Itkliti""ttsinii of the kind now prono,_e.d, and
)I.4tisil" t° Preclude the House from making that
feat, 1)," such as was doe to the son of a Ki"gt.—he
,111.1)ai Illear !)---As to the income derived trout
‘"toill 11" e 'lls of antithet of the Royal Dukes
de
te, tii, the returns of it had not yet been
he,
I'''tria lit't still, su far as it could be ascertained, .
ter " state it, That Royal Duke had the go 7
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:'';o',;111. °f Gibraltar antlya, regiment of infantry.
'try the latter,
regiment
of infantry was 'no
Cr. prot , a
to Royal Duke
'tif able to any mart ; but a Hie-
h "1Y Ili
..
h Vtri Itelt less so than any other person.. r
(~d
-41pr11411t .and his regiment both toget he li
'l4,ii -tice him above 60001. a year. And here
4 , 4 I,
1111 e °lust remark, that this was an income
li• t'l: f
and therefore
l4le
t° rum casual circumstances, a
ane the same observation which he bad before
'he
.6
t_flut its stating the emoluments derived by
te'*st'lke °f Rent from these appointments, it was
111i.tit;Y tc)-recolleCt that his Royal Highness liatt
'ale,„.°4leen years in service abroad in various
Ilily ,i,", which was three years longer than
44taa taer member of the Royal family had served
14e :'' and six years later than some. Jr there-
%kti it4111(1 not he thought much, if, after such a.
:ti.c)( ')1 service, lie had the -emoluments of the
l'll4,ll'llle4t of Gibraltar and ot. a regiment of
illgs nrcy It wntild surely be foreign to the feel:
'"1.1).,,' the House to suppose, that. to a proposal_
theltrvidulg a suitable income for a member of
it c, °Yal family on the occasion of his marriage,
be 4'111(1 be answered that the proposal would not
tile eectled to, because that personage for whom
e4s'
'1 17,°vision was asked had already such and such
fell sources of revenue. On these grounds he
tv,,,,el.°4liileitt that the House, in deciding on what
tresses
he a proper provision for their Royal High-,
bet tsitite Dukes of Kent and Cambridge, would
ti()4''Ke into consideration the temporary addl..
(Cti,el" their. revenue which they at present re-
}krr,t;'l from situations now held by them, as a
in
'all f(ir making that provision less than the.
Ittli:::e "'mild otherwise think suitable. After the
the tp, which had already disclosed themselves in
telv'°"se
do the general question, his Majesty's
of 'lts Itatlfelt it their ditty, in fixing the amount
tt,
,I''e proyision which they tneant I o propose,
"et) 4, su oil the closest possible calculation,
Nsii..°ll the very love-est scale consistent with
this ''e to their Royal Highnesses. In making
theirestimate Ministers had -not merely acted on
hrsn_
l wit judgmenth, they took'
the advice of
NvL'u had tat degree
.of experience in

such,tnatters which could alone give weight to
their opinions, and allthoiity tO—tireirinfornration.
In taking this advice-Ministers felt they were do-
ing that which was an indispensible duty ;, for it
must be allowed that it was one thing-to admini-
ster the affairs of a private family, and a Very dif•
ferent thing to administer the affairs of a Royal
Duke. They had gone into the subject with a
determination to form their judgment on a most
minute view of the case. Having formed an esti-
mate on these princ:ples, and on such advice, the
result was, that an annual provision for the Duke
of Clarence, iu- addition to what was already
granted, of 12,0001., or at the very lowest
10,0001. With less they were persuaded that a
proper establishment for his Royal Highness could
not be supported without involving him in debt,
which was the very evil, above all others, Which
the House would desire to provide against. Look-
ing at the present situation of his Royal High-
ness, they felt that lesS than 10,0001. would be
absolutely insufficient for
_the purpose. There-
fore, in calling upon the Houseto vote such a sum
he felt their decision upon it would be equivalent'
to' deciding whether or not any sum at all ought to
be voted. For the Duke of Cambridge, the Duke'
of Cumberland; and (in case, he should marry)
the Duke of Kent, the very, lowest sum which
could be proposed was 60001. In the case of
marriage, the provision for the wife, in the shape
of jointure and pin-money, was to be considered.
As to pin-moneyithst was of course to be allow-
ed by the husband from his own means; and such
of course was the case with-any of the Royal
Dukes. The pin-money alloWed to the Duchess
of York was. 40001. a year,; :in the case of the
Dike of Clarence it
.was tha•ight it could not
possibly be made less than 30001. When this was
considered, it would be found that in fact the pro-
posed allowance to the Duke of Clarence, when
pin-money was deducted,would amount to no more
than 70001. a year. .He would submit to. the
House -whether any smaller surd could be pro-
posed ; and he could assure them,- that- his, Ma-
jesty's Ministers had gone into the subject with
a painful desire of meeting the wishes of the
House in such .a nay as would prevent them
from deranging the whole economy of the Royal
Family;'--(Hear, hear, hear !)-11. the House felt
interested in a proper provision with a view to the
succession to the Crown, then he was sure it
must be allowed that this provision could not pro-
perly he fixed
,at a loWer rate. The succession to
the Throne was a, subject in which the House and
the COuntry certainly took a very warm interest ;
and he was sure that, in making' this proviiion,
the House would. have in view the succession to
the Throne, and would desire to prevent the
country from being exposed to the additional risk
of. the succession devolving on any of the Houses
on the Continent connected with our Royal. Fa-.
mily. He bad now opened to the Home (and lie
hoped he had done it fairly) all that his Majesty's
Government originally intended-,---what they now,
proposed, and the views and princip)es on which
they had acted. He trusted that the House would
give theni credit for an anxious desire to place
the King's sons in that situation which the feel-
ings of the country, the rank of the personages,
and the interests of the nation required. In
now proposing the additional sum. of 6,0001. for'
the younger sons, he only asked for time same
provision which Parliament had made from the
year 1767 611'1795 or 1796, for his Royal High-
ness the late Dake of Gloucester, whose revenue
during that time was 24,0001., The present Duke
Of Gloucester had 28,0001. He would therefore
put it to the House, whether, 'if any provision at
all was to be made, it could be- lower than that
proposed, which would make time total amount of
the revenue of these Royal Dukes 24,0001. a-year.
He must avow to the House, that he felt very
great pain,-not merely personally, but in his pub-
lic capacity, in proposing a provision on this scale;
for lie felt that he was running a risk that he was
providing an income too low; It was certainly
pushed to the very lowest point; 11e had omit-
ted to state with respect to jointure, that at first
it was proposed that the same jointure should be
11 provided for the Duchess of:Clarence as for the
IDuchess of York, viz. 80.00/. It was now pro-
posed to' make it 70001. for the Duchess of Cla-
rence, and 60001. for the consorts of the other
Royal Dukes. The proposal was, that now the
amount of the proposed provision, added to the
present income of the Duke of Clarence, should
make his revenue in the whole 28,0001. instead of
40,0001. as first proposed, and the other Royal
Dukes, 24,0001.. a-year, ius,ead of 30,0001. He
did not reeolleet that there was any thing else
which it was necessary for him to offer to the
House on this occasion. With theSe observations
he would. submit the proposal to the House once
More, requesting them to consider whether by
agreeing to it they would not take the best niesins
of providing for the succession to the Crown.—
(Hear, hear,' hear I)—He concluded by moving
the following resolution :
" That his Majesty be enabled to grant an additional an-
nual sum, not exceeding 10,0001. out of the Consolidated
Fund of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and frelaud,
as a suitable provision' for his Royal Highness the Thuke, o;
Clarence, on the occasion of the Marriage of his Royal
Highness."

Mr. BARCLAY begged the Home to recollect
that the state of the country at present was such
that steps were taking for the purpose of raising
neat {y 10,000,0001. to provide for the services of
the year; that the Prince Regent had thought . it
necessary to give up 80001. a year of his income, to
assist in alleviating the distresses of the people,
and that most of the Members of the Administra-
tion had made a proportionable sacrifice of their
income. Under such circumstances it was that
this proposal was brought before the House. • He
could not by any means admit that the case of the
Duke of York was in any degree a fit precedent
for the present occasion. In 1792, the situation
of the country was widely different from what it
now is. Besides, in the marriage of the Duke of
Clarence he could only see the marriage of one
of the younger Members of the Royal Family. In
the case of the Duke of Cumberland, be did not
understand that the establishment of that Royal
Duke had exposed him to any additional expence
since his marriage, and therefore he should op-
pose the provision for him. But the question
now
.before the House was on the provision for

theibuke of. Clarence ; and therefore, on%flie prin.
ciple that. his Royal (Highness, in.fuch case
Should be placed exactly on the same footing
-with the other. younger sons of his Majesty,
he should decidedly, oppose the Resolution now
moved. At the same time, as .he admitted , drat
some provision was proper, on such an occasion,
lie would not meet it with a negative, but would
move an amendment for the purpose of post-
poning the consideration of this question. He
should therefore move, that the consideration of
this question be postponed to this day week.
The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Brogden) said, the
Amendment 'of the lion. Gentleman would' not he
regular. His object would probably be 'obtained
by moving as an Amendmeat, that he should now
leave the Chair.

Mr. BARCLAY then moved, as a Amendment,
" That the Chairman du now report progress,
and ask leave to sit again."
.Mr. BEN,NET then rose, but spoke in-so low a
tone that he was for the most part quite inaudible
in the gallery. lie begged the [louse to consider
that the illustrious Personages, for whom the
House was now called upon to make a provisi►►n
were cut Off froM many sources of emolument
which were open to persons, in a different situa-
tion in society. He was decidedly in favour of
the original m9tion. if the Royal Personages in
question c:!-)ntract-ed marriages with illustrious fa-
milies, it was he' conceived incumbent on:. the
House to make such provision for them as, the na-
tional dignity 'required ; and if 50,..,be did not think
that any proposal for such Provision could be-more
moderate and unobjectionable than that before
the House.

PROTFIEROE congratulated:the House on.
the effect which the manifestation of the feel-
ings of the House- bad produced on the. ori-
ginal proposition of the -N.hle Lord. But he
could not help observing, that-.the Noble Lord
seemed still to vindicate his original proposition,
and even at one time expressed a .doubt whether
the House would be disposed to come. down to.
agree to so low a proposition 'as
,that which. he
had .now made. He trusted that the martiages
in contemplation of the illustriohs Personages
in question were founded on feelings which
-would render their cOnnobial. felicity quite in-
dependent of the addition of any pecuniary pro-
-vision from .that House. He would ask whe-
ther his Majesty's' Ministers had in this .instance
acted -with honest sincerity towards their Was-
.trions Master, if they represented the acced-
ing to any proposition of this kind as a test
Of the loyalty of the people of England ? Cer-
tainly. not.. And yet it did appear as if it were
principally, on the giound that it was a test of.
loyalty on the. part of the Parliament that time
Noble Lord called upon the House to vote for his
resolution. He would consider the best sort of
Joyalty that which consisted in addressing the So-
vereign in the language of truth. The House
had already- given the most satisfactory disap-
proval of that old calumny, that it was unduly
influenced by the,Crown, and he hoped that; by
its conduct. in the present ,case, it would give a
still more satisfactory refutation of it. He could
not but observe on the unfair allusion which, had
been-made to time vote of the House on the sub-.
ject of the additional allowance to the Duke of
Cumberland. He called it unfair; because. he be-
lieved that if. ever there was a vote which spoke.
the voice of the people, it' was thAt which.'refused
sag additional, allowance to that loyal Mike.- On
the whole, therefore, he could not bring himself
to vote in fayour of the resolution, which he'
trusted the House would decidedly reject.-
Mr. GURNEY traced the policy of contracting
marriages, on the part of the younger branches of
the Royal Family, through precedent stages '-of
our history, up to the time of the contention . of
the Houses of York and Lancaster, during which,
he contended, it bad been the policy of the younger
branches to match with Foreign Princesses, hav-
ing considerable dowries, or to marry subjects
who were heiresses, -and thus -provide, tor their
maintenance in a manner corresponding with their
rank. Thus the country was betefited by the in-,
trodnrtion of wealth by each
,marriage in the
reigning family. He regretted the circumstance
of the application to the House under these cir—
cumstances, and should vote against the grant.
Mr: H. StIgNER said, in a.discitssion of such
importance he was, huppy the Country Gentlemen:
had taken that.part which because their situation
in the mind of the people of the country. Not-
withstanding time slur of the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman,who had coustated, it wou,ldappear, the
slang dictionary for a term to stigrusitize the Meet-
ing at L'ord Liverpool's, he would:reply by a phrase
from the sAme learned wort., that, notwithstanding
that Learned- Gentleman might boast of having a
great deal of the gift of the gab (Laughter), still
there was at that 'meeting men of sis much honour',
and integrityas ever sat Upon time sideo.f Opposition
or Administration.—(Elear, hear 1.)-7--,Having pre-
.mised thus much, he would observe,,tha.t; the. first
grant proposed, applied to a Prince not being in
the situation of heir presumptive to the Crown„.irt
which staticu the Duke of York, in fact, at l
present nom], although he had no childreti.---
The Dnke of YOrk ought not therefore to be
considered in any other light titan the late much
lamented Princess Charlotte, wi ho had received
an ample all.olvance as heir-apparent. He, for
his part, would not vote a larger allowance
to the Duke''of Clarence than 'to the Mite of
VOrk ; nor was' lie dispOsed to grant less than
6,0001.• a-year to each of the Royal Dukes upon
their respective marriages; but then it would be
upon the country's being secured-that the sum. so.
granted should be_ appropriated to the •purpose
solely of maintaining their state and dignity after
. marriage, and' not to pay off their debts. The
Duke of Clarence already possessed an income of
18,00,0/. a-year on the Consolidated Fund, an,ad--
ditional 2,5001. per annum on another charge, and
1,100/, per ann. as his half-pay as Admiral of the
-Fleet. He had alSo his. appointment of Ranger,
with a handsome residence and 3,0001. a,year sa-
lary, as be had been assured. Altogether, this
was a princely allowance :for the Duke, 'whether
in a married itate or not. But it had been ru-
moured, the sums required Were. not. so much-
wanting to support a suitable state and equi-
page as to pay off his debts ; that 4,0001. a-
year was pledged to ' pay incumbrances and
mortgages Co the amount of
_7O or 80,0001.

It was vain to think of extricating him
thus. As to the Duke of Kent, he had ap-
plied the best antidote to debt, by retrench-
ing and retiring into another country—yie!d-
ing, like other classes, to the pressure tit tl,e
times.—Of the Duke of Cambridge, it had been
said by his Royal Father, in the phrase usual at
Don, that he had not vet committed . his first
fault. These all had their claims. The case of
the Duke of Cumberland had been long since de-
cided on progressively, by majorities of from 37
to 11, until.the Members. were seen flocking from
all parts of the conntry, and finally threw out the.
proposition for increasing- his income.. On.other
occasions, Royal Messages were seu.t for the pur-.
pose of asking advice, and informing the House
that 'a marriage was pending; but here the marriage
had Jong since been completed, and the manner in
which the Royal -Duke's claims had heen hooked
in amongst- the rest Was, in his Mind, exCe's-
sively reprehensible. tie aid not profess to
*now what would be .the proper course to pur-
sue in the Committee, or whether an Amen,!-
ment could be
,moved on, an Amendment ;. but he
woeld-propore,, if the question were not carried
now before the House, that' there sh-ohld be laid
before The House an Account of the present Net
Income of the Royal Dukes.
Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that he wished to ,
correct what he conceived to be a misapprehen-
sion on the part of several Honourable Members.
He-begged it to be understood, • that it was not
,because his Royal Highness the Duke of Clarence
was in debt that time proposed suns was required.
It was necessary that Iris Royal Highness should
be enabled to support the dignity of the state into
which he was about to enter ; on this -ground,
and on -this only, it was that the increased
ance was proposed.
Mr. COKE observed, that he could not, in the
present state of the country; .give bit vote in sup-
port of the proposed measures. He thought that
instead of voting increased grants, the rubs( rigid
economy ought •to lae observed, and on that ground
lie should oppoie the measure.
Sir Wm. Cuturrs said, he had opposed the first
proposal fora provision for the Royal Dukes, on
the ground that the scale on which it was then- •
proposed was beyolid- that which the country
could at present afford ;- but the proposition. now.
made had his cordial support.
Mr. ELLISON stated, that Ire rose with regret
on the present occasion ; he had been in the ha.
•bit of supporting Ministers since he had been able
'to-think or able to act, but he felt it his duty to
oppose them on the question before the
.11quse.-
On other occasions, however, lie Would itipport -
them to the last drop of his blood. On the (pies.
tiou before•the House, he. should repeat, that he
differed•from theta in toto cod°. He loved liberty
and the people as much as any man, yet he had
no wish Tto humbug them.(A laugh.)—He
thought-the demand tnadei as it was said, in fa-'.
your of the Piinces, was not only an insult to the '
nation, btir an injury to the Royal Family, as it
was well known that the country could. 90t at -
preSent afford' the Money demanded, and that it
%;:otild be considered in a point Of view prejudicial
to the GoVerriment who proposed it, as well as to
the Royal PerSonages to whom it was• to be
granted. He would most freely vote for the ad-•_
ditiimal 'allowance to his Royal Highness the
Dike of Clarence, though lie could not support ,
'the general • proposition, which he hoped would
be re-considered by its proposers, as it''n7as a
measure not at- all calculated-to meet the wishes
of the country-in the present limited•state of its
re.sonrces. '

Lord F. OSBORNE Said, he was compelled by the
duty-which he owed to his constituents to vote
against the amount of the proiision mentioned in
the resolution before the CointOtee.

Sir T. AcLom--The question before the' House
was,. in its simplest form, what was the allow=
ance the country should make the Princes of the
Royal Family, in case- .of marriage, independent
of the question of Individual charaater, or (lid
emoluments each derived from his 'place or ap-
pointments here or abroad. It was rather difficult
to appropriate the exact numbee of thousand
pounds which might be considered equivalents,
which consideration had operated on an Hon.Mem-
her (Mr. Barclay), so as to induce him to wish to
postpone the question for a week. But this he
thought would not be a delicate way of treating
the affairs 9f the Royal Dukes, into whose affairs
he did' not wish to - pry. He felt no objection to
the grant to his Royal. HighnesS the ,bake of
Cambridge, but be could not see,the propriety, of
placing the-Duke ofClarence on a different footing
from that of the remaining branches of the Royal
Family. An the case of the Duke of Cumberland,
the House had wisely exercised a most deliberate
cOnsiderati9n of the subject on a former occasion.
He could not, under the circumstances, therefore,
give a general assent .to the proposition.
Mr. J. MARTIN said, he felt it would inconsist-
ent with .his duty to vol,e_for the general proposi-
tion.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL was desirous that every,
grant which was necessary to the dignity of the
Royal Family should be agreed to, yet he thought
that some attention should be paid to the means
which the country had .of making good 't Lase
grants.
. Lord LASCELLES thOUghtelt was not necessary
that .any delay should take place on the question
before them, nor was it at all necessary that they
should inquire into the affairs of the Royal Family.
It was never his intention to refuse altogether ar
increase of allowance to the, Royal Princes, though
he thopglit that the sums proposed to be granted
were more than the nation could afford. He was
desiroas that every necessary measure should be
taken for thosupport,of the different branches of
the Royal Family according to the dignity of the
nation, at the same time that he would not wish
to be forgetful of what the nation was able to
bear.

Mr. FORBES did not think that any distinction
should he made between the Duke of Clarence,
and the rest of the Royal-Family,- and therefore
should vote for reducing the grant proposed r
6,000/.
Lord COMPTON was understood to defend the
propriety of making a difference in favour of the
Duke of Clarence. Though there were two mem..

heis of the Royal Family between- hint an( sire
'Throne, yetthry were older and hml no children.
Mr. SAMUEL ThIORNyoN, after alluding to the
liberal conduct of the Duke of Gloucester, which
had gailitgl the esteem of the country, expreised
Iris inttntiOn of voting .for-the reduced sum.
Lord GOwea stared, that 'd tr 'IL.► the three
years' residence which her !loyal nigh.ess the
DucheSs of CYnnber!-Intl had twide in tit's cooli-
try, she had acquired its respect, and that the
more she should be known the more would-she be
found thy of esteem.
Mr. BARCLAY here signified his readiness to
withdraw his amendment ; but there being some
cries in the negative, the-chairman,(Mr. Brogden)
decided that a divi<ion Mu% t.l ake place.
The question was.then loudly for, and strangers
were-mitered to wili,draw. Tht House,however,
did not divide. airing the S.rangers' absenc,e
from he gallery, which lasted neatly three-guar-
tet:s of an hour, it was understood that the House
proreedert as follows
MrTtERNEv requested Mr. ;BARCLAY t with-
draiv amendment,,in Which proposal the Hon.
Member acep.iesced..
Lord Gowelt spokein favour of the vote of 'et
grant to his Royal Highness the Duke of Cum;
berland, and expatiated on the exemplary conduct
of the Duchess during her residence in this coun-
try. The Noble Lord stated, that her expenses
were deftayed by the King of Prussia, in conse-
quence of P?rliament having refused to vote her
an establishment.
Sir CnirttLF.S MORDAUNT spoke in Tavour of-the
smaller sum proposed.
Mr, Lmuirros complained of the dilemma in
which he was-placed. He observed, that he was
agains• any gr,ant ; and that if .he voted against
the 60001., he
_might occasion a majority in favour
of. the 10,0001„ to which he was still more
adverse. -

Sit GI LBERT lEATHCOTE thought that 114 e pre-

sent incomes of the jnoior brand►es of the Royal
Fa►nily were ample enough. lie, as an individual,
was obliged to attend to his doMestie concerns,,
and he thought they ought to do-the same.—(Some
disapprobation was here' expressed.)-lle would
bow to the opinion of the House, and was sorry
to. give them umbrage, as lie never intended to

- . .
give offence to any individual.—(Hclar, hear !)
Mr. CA.VPRT OhferVed, that rhe,..difficulty arose
from the embarrass-cc, circumstances of the coun-
try. He that the utmost economy ought
to' he observed in the intended grants.
• Mr. liROUGFIAM adv,rted •to-the difficulty com-
plained of by Alt. Lamblon, and recommended
}irn to vote in the. tiro instance for the smaller
sum, which merely pledged the Committee to a
grant not. exceeding 60601., atter which lie might,
in- a sobs,q-ent state, vote for reducing that suip
to an amount merely no-flirt +1 -
Mr. TIPRNEY - understood that the Noble Lord-

meant /0 propose s,,m'ething by w•ay of doweiT, to
whirl, be bad no objection, and therefore would
Pin concur in any vote that ul:ght break up the

Committee.

Mr. CANNING Colltericted, that csith respect to

bis Royal Pighness-the Duke of Clarence, it would
never have titered into his contemplation !c) engage
in the proposed alliance, if it had not been pressed
upon hint as an act of public duty.— (Hear,. hear,
and laughter !)—When be bad been desired to
state on Atik at conditions he would conCraet:the

mafriage, he had wished then; to belitnited to !hp
provision of std; means as wo,:id prevent hint
ft on; incurring debts, and becoming in that udions
manner a bindle!) to the conntry. With respect
to his ancient debts, he bad himself madea pro-
vision for the payment of their interest and the
oltimate liquidation of the. capital. It was not,
therefore; an embarrassed man who applied for
assistance ; he would not have wanted aid had-he
tint been about to marry; and he did not 7onteaer
thil 'alliance for his private desire and gratifiCation
--(l0nd latighter)—but because it was pressed
upon him to secure the succession to the throne.
If there was any thing ridiculous in this, let the
House thank the state of its laws ; let it thank
that prohibition which Clad precluded the Princes
Of 'the Royal Family from contraeting marriages
of liking, and insisted, on their looking abroad
for .wivis. But when, .in obedience to those
laws, and to advice, they engaged in marria,ges,
not of liking—(Hear, hear, and laughter)—for
bow cont'd there • be any liking-between persons
who had never seen each other, but founded on.
public grounds alone, was it fair for the House_
to turn round upon then; ? The 'interval which
bad _occurred between the bringing down of the.
Message and the-present discussion had been em-
ployed in investigations Which Enabled him to
state; that with 1.0,0001. additiona! a year; it was-
the opinion, not Of the Duke of Clarence himself,
brit of the persons most conversant in the domestic
concerns of the Royal household, that his Royal
Flighneis could not take upon himself the state
and dignity-of a married Prince without incurring
the danger of contra( Ong fresh debts.- This opi-
nion was given by those who had been &tiled
to ascertain how low the proposition could be'
brought. Front the infornration since collected
by Alluisters,,they had felt it their duty, in obe-
dience to the tint to be mistaken sense of the
nouse, to reduce the grants which they had in-
tended to propose.—(Hear, hear, bear !)—But
they thought that less than 10,0001. additional
would neither gratify his Royal Highness
nor the country,lf it wished to enable him to sup-
port his establishment • without the disgrace of
btirthensome debts. If the House voted only
60001. which might afterwards be redueed still
lower, it would, in fat*, vote to nullify the con-
tract of. marriage of his Royal Highness. In
voting 10;0001. it would only vote one half
what Ministers intended to have proposed--
(Hear, hear l)—and what, though it might have
been maintained by fair argument, they had sur-
rendered to the sense of the house.—(Hear,
bear ! and laughter.)—He therefore trusted the
House would come to a decided vote in favour
of a provision, less than which would be wittily
insufficient.

Mr. WoDEHowts expressed his decided deter-
mination to
_s-upport the amendnient...ptopused by
the,liotr. :11entber for Surrey.
:sir. W....SMITH thought that any grants which
might be thought necessary might be taken from
Other sources than those-proposed.. Ali,. Windsor
:Establishment was on such a footing that it could

yida a stilt equal to the -end in vie*, tvitbnnt in-
piry to any Burson, or to the interests of the State.
On a tormer occasion, in which a liberal provi-
sion bad been n►ide, the hearts ot,the House -and
the Country bad been interested; independently of
all political feelings whatever.
Sit: IV. GUISR was 'understood to object to any
difference between the amount of the provisions.

Lord CAsi-LEREAGH wished to correct a loose
an'd general notion that' a large .reduction might
take place in the Windsor Establishment. If the
Committee had an opportunity of looking into it,
they would find that it WdS cenducted oti the prin-
ciple of the strictest econoniy. The only branch
in which some reduction might take place was
that of the Officers of State of his Majesty, which
amounted to 33,0001. i but even should the Groom
rot the Stole and the Equerries be reduced, the
saving would not-exceed 6,0001: a-year.

Mr. TiniisrY should read the items of the
AVindsor Establishment, that the .Flouse might
judge whether sore reduction might not be made
in it,. There was his :.Ilajesty'SlYrivy Purse, which
amuunted to 60,0001. a year, out-of.which 18,0001,
might be paid to the Physicians": 'The .Duchy. of
Lancaster yielded 10,0001., and both these sums
united-Made a fluid of 70,0001., which, with the
-
exception of the Physicians' pay, remained to ac-
cumulate for sonic •one,- Pis Majesty's Establish-
went I.vis. 100,0001:3. that of the Queen 58,0001.,
and with 10,0001. allowed, he knew not how; for
travelling expences, 68,0001. To these•were to
be added, 13.0001. for each, or 20,000 E fur the
two*Princesses; making, -on-the whole, 20-1,0001.
for the Establishment at Windsor. Yet could it
be said, that the Queen and her two Daughters,
and his Alajesty in• his present unfortu-
nate state, could not be maintained out of that
fund, and some saving be effected ?

Lord CASTLEREAGH contended that it AVP.3 not
fair to include his Majesty's, privy purse within
the Windior Establishment. He. also stated
that her Alajesty was entitledio 100,0001.: a year
as her jointure-, if deducted .from - the
amount' of the. Hon. Gentleman's calculation,
would leave an Establishment of only 164,0001.,

Mr. H. SUMNEti explained. r
Mt. LAMBTON thought that he shonicl,,be -want-
ing in.his duty to his constituents and his country,
if.,he did not' support the reigning Family and
the line of Succession to the Throne ; but in
the present burthened state of the country,
and when so many measures were required for
the relief of the poor, he could not •consent to
vote a single shilling. It was not sufficient
to say that the wants --proposed might be
taken out of the Windsor Establishment, for
if there was any excess iii that', Establishment
let it be done away with- at once, instead of
being applied to any puri.ose like the present.—
rime quesiion !tether the House would
not erthseot to 'vote, 6,9001. a year' to . enable
his. Royal Highness ,the Doke of Clarence to
marry - But had not that lloyal
.Duke dissipated
the 20,0001. which bad been already ;granted to
hint And was the House to repair the conse-
quences of his misconduct ? This was not what
'lts constituents had a tight -to expect, and the
(louse would not do its duty it it did iim-resist the
proposition in-its very beginning. - •
Mr. tVYNSP... -was understood to say that lie
should vote in favOur of- the reduction of the
grant of 64401. for the Dukejof Clarence. if he
should afterwards- -become heir apparent, the
House might exercise its- judgment, and grant 'him
a -further increase. lie contended that the case
of the Duke of York was not one, in point: He
,also thought that the Windsor Establishment was
a subject worthy the attention of Pkirliament,
though the present moment was not proper for
taking it into consideration..
• Here the Gallery was once more cleared, and
the House divided on Mr. Hohne Stunners' amend-
ment, that time Grant be reduced front 10,0001.
to 6,0001.-

Ayes
Nces

193
134
Majority agAinst

Some conversation took place before strangers
were again admitted, which ended in the Chair-
main teportitig progress, and asking leave to sit

again.

The. other Orders of the Day were then for-
warded ; and several accounts rehitive to the
Batiks of England and Ireland were moved for and
ordered.—Attjourned ;at Hall-past Eleven.'

ENDOWED SCIIOOLS.

FOIL THE SUN.

MR. EDITOR,—The Public are indebted to you for your
vigilance and attention to TUC BILL now before Parliament.
to appoint Commissioners to inquire into -the ENDOWEO
SCHOOLS of England and Wales. Since reading your obser-
rations of this evening, I have perused the Bill, and I cordially
concur with your sentiments upon it. It has escaped your
observation that the Bill will include ALL THE SCHOOLS
which are under the immediate confront and superinteadance
of the COLLEGES in Oxford and Cambridge, though, OH 'a
hasty consideration of the Bill, it might appear‘otherwise.—
I have endeavoured to trace the 'origin of this'measnre, and I
think you are correct in your view of it. Everything proceed-
ing from THE PARTY., which you have so truly characterised,
mustbe received with suspicion and distrust. The friends of the
Establishment must watch every measure of this nature, and
guard with peculiar care all the avenues to it.

It has been said, that a Bill of this -sort was passed to in-
quire into the Schools in Ireland; but there is no analogy—
the generality of Schools in that country being maintained
bit Parliament, whilst those in this Country baxe been
founded by PRIV:VIC INDIVIDUALS.
_ LUTHER.

Richardson's Hotel, Wednesday Evening.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

'NEWMARKET CRAVEN MEETING, 1818.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15.
Sweepstakes of 200 gs each, h. ft. for the produce of mares co-;
vered in 1814 ; colts, Bst. 71h. fillies, Bst:3lb.
Ld Jersey's f: by Sooth Sayer, out of Web . • 1
Mr. Lake's c. by Seymour or Election, out of Lady of the
Lake •
Ld G. ('avendish's f. by Mi,ddletborpe, odt of a sister
to WhAfelione
One pd. ft.—Even betting on Mr. Lake's c. -
Mr. Vartsittart's b. f. by Juniper, out, of ,Selima-, heat Mr.
ThOrnhill's h. f. by Scud, out of Goosander, Bst. 51b. each.
T.Y.C. 100 gs, h. ft.-5 to 4on Juniper f.
Subscription Plate of 301. for two-yr'-iilds,.7st. three,.Bst. 71b.
four, 9st. T.Y.C.
Mr: Lake's b. c. by Seymour or Election, out of- Lady of
the Lake, 2- yrs
Sir C. Bunbury's hr. c. by Sorcerer, 2 yt
Fifteen started--Two dr.—The Judge placed but two
, High odds agat Mr. Lake's c.

'We received this tuornia, the Paris Paperi of
Monday last. They are neatly des, itute of news.
The 'following;` are the only articles worth ex-