The Sun.
London, England, 1811-01-03 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

WEDNESDAY,' JAN. 2.
, blr. LUSHINGTON presented Himself atthe.Bar of
the House with the .11cpurt of the ConnySttve on
the State of the Nation.

The SPA ER put the question " that the Report
behrought.up."-

Mr. Minus thought that a proper ,opportunity
for 'expressing his sem iments. After lite very lumi-
nous exposithin of all the,precedentit, on the tubjeNs
which had been made by an. Hon, Friend ot his
he tilt not only that he was telieitd iron) the neet.tsr •
city of going two a' detail on that head; but th o it
would be presumption in him to take up the time
of the House. lie should only observe, that Mho
tobit.:r instance h:ai restriaions-trereti imposed of the
:name of those now submitted :to their apprytmtion.
He bought it proper to notice the _statement- that
had been ,made of a suppOso Peerage having: rico
created byParhament: it such viere•really the fact,
it should appear that reoridtions of a similar. nature'
had been intpos,ed on .a former .Regent. On loeking-
clo,ely into the subjeB, it woulci be found that the
Peerage alluded to had been created in the presence
ref Parliatnent, not hy,Pirliament, but oy the autho.
rity of the Regent and lits Coencil. From the:eh',
cutustanceS of the times to which suchhetplent
reference had been made, the• precedents brought
w lerard had meth' lehs influ4iwe on the mind than
thoge of a more recent date, 'Sc uh as the Succession.
Aptpassed in the. reign ti Queen Anne, and the
Regency A6s, as made
.in the reign et (eorge. the
Second, and in that of the. pre:tent King. At. the
time a provision bv.)'s made for a Regency in the tor-
Mtn' instance, ihe:e was a probability that the Ant Ito-
rtty at the Regent would eXpire in one month—hi
one week hn short, is thrtetion Was big' to occupy
-ttte period which chleie, before the .iii .it%
arrive. kinnover ; t; C I.oWrr CrOatitig
Peers .was nut w itiiheld. In ihe.atle '<if the late
and present reign no such restrittive provi,imis
had been _thought necessary; and those. lin Qe-
dt.nts with him outweighed the precedents v 11785:
The-oistinalion made was,- that in'thwe Instances a
provision had been made for'a Council of Itoirney,
but that, he corstended, WO no bearing Ott the queo-
tion before them; what he maintained was, hat there
shoidd be.no limitation of the Royal Authority : the
mode in which it should be exercised was another
question. In the. present 'instance it was agreed,
on all hands, that the Prince of Wales shotrid be
sole Regent. It Was admitted that lie ought to
hive poWer to dissolve a Illations, House of Com-
mons, and on the 4allle constitutional principle that
gave him that power the Constitution gave hinni the
right of creating Peers to prevent undue inflaence
against his measures in the House of Lords, They
were not justified, in legislating on individualchs-
racier, that ought on bout sides totbe left entirely
out of the question. This, however, had not been
done; as while they were told they ought not to suf-
fer themselves to be influenced by any considera-
tion of the virtues of the Prince, .Ministers brought
forward personal' considerations cm their own side
of the question He could nut but think the resttic-
t ions proposed were insulting to hiir Royal „Highness,
without answering any good purpose, as t,vbile they
betrayed a suspicion that the, trust confided to
him would be abu.ed, they did not ,efleaually guard
against the abuse. He had no difficulty in givi►n his
assent to the amended resolution as it stood_; het if
it went to gibe the Council a right.
of declining
the restoration nf the :King competenee inde-
pendent, of Parliament, he should think his duty
rolled upon him to give it all the opposition in his
power.

Air. P. Moons, after dilly considering the sub-
jett, rose, authorised by Lk constituents, .who
addreoled, him .un the. sulbjea, -to protest. ilr the
strangest manner against the proceedings of Minis.
(cis. The point to-whi.:ll their attention ovgia
tea
be directed was, to the restoration of the ,teetitivo-
power without delay. He had
,voted in his lace
for two of the adjournments, and in doing so lip iiffil
Ixen,sorry to find he differed from many of l,is 80.
nourable Brie di, and in particular he regictted that
he differed fiom his Honourable Friend theiSilc,rti.
her fir lirdford, for whose strong understanding,
and accurate in(tgrbentl he had always lvlt. the
,greatest whilo his unsuliied integrity, ill
public and in pi mate life, entitled him to.admiratiutt.,
In That itutance, however, he had thought him
Wrong, but, on looking,tnore closely into the temts
of the Physitians, he bad found that he hinrstalit had.
been wrong, and that his tarn. Friend was ._right.
INlitiisterN had impo,ed on the Public, and, from t:ie
rep,rts, lie_ now ititind that advantages hid bcen
n of the in4rmities of his nijesty, and, Eliot
every one had tiers allowed/to put his'hanti UI tht
wi,:hunt cortirctult and, pike it
acec,tmt of the Royal PreroOtive. - Ttiis sys,ein had
bteti carried on so far, that a-poor mart in' IranAst,
wbo had been 1. rag tutpritoned withoUt cat,

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itovptd short when about to disclose acme such fraii•
olletiors, and told " You will not be allowed to
speak against Lord Harowicke's Administration:'
11..? wished the House to see howimany pensions had
hew) granted-10w many warrants had been issued
within the period to xhich he :alluded ; no less a
sum than .t 00,048,0001, had been so dislosed of,
and acquittances given to the paTties. This fraud had
bean committed on the public; he could prove it,
and if called upon, he would read the pfoofs (Which
ware in liii possession.) to the douse. ,The Hon,
Gentleman hp. expressed his grief, on..isecount of
the calamity which had fillen on the King, and pro
seeded to °mole, that great pains !. id been taken to
represent his Subjects as disaffected and rebellions,
Ott a time when their con,ltict Wks distinguished by
the must patient sufferance and by the sincerest af•
tection. This ton had been done-at a time when
their petitions could not reach the Monarch, when
it. was impossible for them to get beyond the desk
in the Secretary of 'State's Office. In, 1792, a
message had been sent to the House, 'which repre-
sented the country to be in a state of insurrection
since which ,period he could prove a cont,nual
system of fraud on the public mind had been
acted upon.. To this source, and to the disunion
which had unhappily prevailed in the Royal .14.
roily (but %/c ilia be rejoiced to see at an end), he
tuiceA, all the calamities which had tallest on the
nation. But fur tho,e tatal dissensions he felt con-
tideot the empire would now have been in a Much
better Mate. From t 792, we bad been at war it h
all Eutope, and twelve hundred of the pub.:
lie Money had been spent, in cotiserpience of the
adoption, of this system' of fraud. He knew no
how an act of legislation could be made in the man-
ner piOosed. There had been Various modes of
making laws. A,t one tioneTthe 1.141 g could ot
'Belt make laWs.: anpther period of our history
pets of legislation were made by the King
Lords. • Down to the ;period of Henry VII. Ow
ee.ipte ware never mentioned but •as petitioners or
sopplicants. Since that period it had been enacted,
that no law could liae 'force without the joint
aoiu-
tl mity of King, Lords, and Commons. This, in
•addiliort to the intiumers already betitre them, had
.teen esiabli,h+ect ila the case of Lord Macclesfield,
Ail they had to do in ti.e present instance was,to.ad-
idiess the ,Ptinee to take upon himself the 'authority
of Regent,' The Executive Power ought to be le-
Stored to the Consthution without delay. He again
"proicbto deoair st the proceediogi and
thought .theyltad dace utictaist nut
and treasonabli.--He Meant no otience to any litt;
man being, but such was his ,optnion, of their cue-

duet.
• Mr. PONSONBY observed) the Report had no,
yet been brought up, though the Gentli,man ho
had spoken had seemed tg.regard it as beiog un
On this suggestion, the question was put by the
Speaker, and the'Repoli oidered to be brought up.
Mr. Laishingtori brought it op accordingly, and on
tho seconn reading el the first resolution,
Lord Port CH 1,,S l'Ult I He felt, obliged to se-
pest, what had •b• en the pr,lude to almost evi,iry
speech, , that personal character ought to 'be put,
wholly our ,olconsideratioo, and there never was a
period when that 'c'oul'd so Well be tiont., there
esisted but °lie and-the same opinion of, all the
three Royal Porsonagcs who had beer mentioned,
..The present CIIW varied front all that had, been al-
luded t 0,,. as what they t,.rcl to do was to 'vest the
power of the King in an .heir apparent of full age.
In making- provisions to gnaid.against anticipated
dangers, they oft ht to cons) icr,what were the na-
ture of thOse dangers,- as' well as the probability.ol
their being to be encountered hereafter. In inflict
instances it might be apprehended. of alteribg•the
tact:elision to the Throne. ,That danger, 'howeter,
criud tot be dreaded on the pro-ent OCCHSIon, in en.
trusting the ro) power its the Heir Apparent. In:
former instances-Ali:4e were minor dangers to be
feared, of which no.!appiCheogion could 'memo-.
t ,ined at the present...-day, NVaa theft:, he *Would
ask, any more danger in giving the Heir Apparent
the power, of ,Making Peers as Regent, than there
would be in entrusting him with the same power at
they-must, when, in the course of nature, he suc-
ceeded to the I hriine of his father? Why should they
suppose he would he jealous of the. Lorda,who would
in all probability be the prop of his throne, and also
of that of his posterity ? The, Right -Honourahle
lil
Gentleman had seemed to condemn his ow n
as, no sooner had be 'proposed that the Regent
should have the 'power at creating peeragett, than he
proposed an alteration. If be were to form a jUtig-
Illt:ta of-The Right Henour.ible Gentlemen's ino-
tive for scidoing, he should regard it as emanating
from the hope of obtaining a little popularity in
the two services, and thus catching a few votes
which Might utile, wise escape , him. 'But Were
these any •gronndson which 01(1 could consistently
allow him tt e pnwer of so rewarding valour while
they restriaed himiiri other, eases 1.,--The Right
Hon. Gentleman had (*opposed on extreme case---a
hero w all the gloryof triumph dying without his
eersga. But What was 'therein this situation to it).
-Auence them as the Right Hon., Gentleman wished?
Supposing a•ntoial or military commander.ilms situ.
ated ; if he had lived' long enough to know .that.' he
had the thatik-i and the admiration of his country,
worthf it net bermatisf4etnry.to hiin to know, that
the honours and rewards dee to his valour would be
conferred on 'hose nearest and dearest to hint, though
e,,itstances rendered it impossible for them to be •
ci
given at that'petiod to him I The ground on which
it was proposed to' Withhold front
t t
hhat e
it Regent the.
pnwer'of ,granting pwes wss im
priper for the Regent • toc'do ahy thing which was
not' anthor:yged te nesaity; which the King ..atotrld.
rot hate 'it in his power to annul on Isis recovery.
Tlie King, on his recovery, might disapprove at the
hotiours so eonferred: Ile might regard them as
part of a change of System—jealousies might in cOn-
sequence arise in the two services, and thus it might
be more dangerous to allow thethan Pricetod. to create
that
peerages as eart of a system, grant
polder which might only he exercised to
au ittf;tt-
lewd cape. The dothine laying down the dangeis
that tnight, arise from allowing; lom 10 give plar,es tor
life he thought riajelltoll#, II was propoied.to give
' b to sotlicieut authority to remove the inisters of
she crown—vtliese ho called themselves,Mthe Kind's

.perional Jerench-rs, ITe might remove at pleasure
the iti-ght.Hmn ioralli- Gentleman and his v-vhohr
train of Hight ti .liournblo inures."—Not one of the
Gentlemen op. osite
.11;0 thoug,ht proper to assert
6141 w ought 'HQ.' to have that power. ft! mi?:ht
constitutionally remove the wlinle of the Adminis-
tration, ba if he pr-;sumed to make a clerk of, the
irons, or a surveyor of tie mel‘titig,— why, 'then the
person of the King was outraged, the royal authority
endangered. His Lordship here look a %ICW of what
would probably be the feelings of his Majesty on his
recovery, on finding aach powers had been exercised
by the Re4eut. The question, he observed, was
not what it mi,:,ht be proper to suspend, or to abolish,
but whether" ht.; Regent should, or should not, ex-
ercise these powers °idiom ily exercised by the I,.;:ing.-

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Ile thought it inivroper to k, eaken did government
ot the Regeni by Ili+ puoposed restrictions, and was
of opinion, that by torboariog to fill up the sinecure
places, that might fail vacant within a year, wire-,
Cher the Mmistets ot the Regent or of ihe King •
should thin be in power he !bought such an tic-

cumulation of siti.Lutes ai might Übe') be a their

di , j „
sposai; would probthly he more a' sttoett com 7
plaint than if they were disposed of as they became
vacant. The t,inectires whit!) teil vacant. might be
abolished with propriety, but if the disposal of them
was SUSOnde,), it would' but increase their Import-
.

a 'lce. He' was averse to nrtkitg the offices of the.
King's Houiehoid mom-mt. Tili4 was not a lime for

an increase of stwe, and therjore when there were an
ibuntlance of officers who could not be allowed access
to the King's. person, new officers ought not to be ap,.

)oioted for the Ileg,-ot, to add 10 thjborthens of the

'people. Brit then it %%as sold ttiOrxvence of suet).

tin estabii,luniAlt would not exceed 14 or 15,0001.

ftuat might be the amount of tl'e salaries at the

`icers, but it 'l,4as not the eNtLitt 9e ate whole al.

eirdattt eXpi;nees of the provost chest:►bAishtliem. As
.0 the precautio►►s ►aken ro guard the interest and
Jerson of ti.e King, expedient as it mig:,t be to

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guard them so as to prevent any obstacle to his re-
sumption of power at a proper time, histoty furnish,
cad them wiiji many histories of ulurpations, &c.
but where 'could they hod an instance at an Heir
Apparent code:it curing to dethrone a Monarch en-
threned in-the hearts of his potpie, by such means
as creating -a few pt:eiage„s, gi.ing away a few'places,
and changing a few "ANN at the lied-Chau her )

they told— constituents that they had placed
barriers, to secure the tights of the King front inno-
vation, they would express then approbation of their
conduct in Parliament, but if. they 'had told them
that. they had.doi e this by keeping a few sinecures
vacant, and by keeping a few. Lords of the Bed-
chatnner,Who could have 'no chaqce of gaining access
to his' Majesty, the people Would Alien Say, " We
will never again be. represeined
py such
.foolsas
you. At The'rate.they ent on it was impossible
fur them to supply the detect in less' than a month:
He wished them to consider whin was to be done

~tithinthe coot se of that month. By the ifclof Yeb-
rwry a question of, the greatest consequence was to
be deetued—the question wheti,er or not we were:
to go to- wld'r with the only thew Power with which
we were not already at war. The earliest period at
which we could: hope to see the Regent appointed,
proceeding by Uhl, was, the first of February, so that
they Vk 0014 net leave him one day to consider that
itimportant question. What inconveniences, What
embarrassments might trot letse from the absence of
the executive power ! He 'would suppose that the
Bank of England 'hada month ago declared them-
selves unable to procure bullion foi the service of
our army in Pertugal-,-w bat, under finch circum-
stances, could, have been done to save the army, and
preserve the plighted faith of the nation ? It was'
roost important that not one hour should be lost in
4upplying the executive power. Those who now took
upon themselves the responsibility had the confidence
of nobody but themselves, and were they to besuf-
fered to decide on a.questieo of piece or war' with-
out controul ? Ought this to be suflered when they
knew not -what line of coedutt time Regent would
pu:sue, and would not allow _him time for reflection,
Inc cunsequence-might be, he ,would find himself
obliged to act without due deliberation. He could
not but feetnnech for the King, but somethingought
to• ,be felt for ,the Regent, who, in times like the
present, took on himself so heavy a responsibility.
It was their duty to consider the events with wheat
the times were pregnant, and consider if acting as
was proposed they. would not endanger the interests
of the, nation, as well as the safety and-honour 'of
the Crown. The Noble Lord' concluded by moving
as an Amendmtlot, that the words" subjett 'l6 such
restrietiotut, Sim" should be left out in
theilesolution,
Sir THOMAS TURTON seconded the Amendment.
He chara6terised the precedent of 11/38 as a half.
formed embryo, the, offspring of the last of power
and thelove of place. He denied that -it was
,peisi-
ble, while' every other eye in the kingdom. was
watching with anxiety the faintest dayvninga of re-,
turning reason in our beloved Monarch, that his sea
should So divest himself of all natural affetioti, as
to beinsensible to his restoration to health. there.
was 'a 'consideration, either of 'a delicate nature,
which he,, Wished to impress on the House.—
'they were going to pr,soot there resolutions to
the Pritica of Wales. Were they .quile sure that
he would' accept the office which they, were
desirous to entrust to trim ? Might not his Royal
HighneSS consider the acceptake of that office,
so 'limited,- as inconsistent with hit duty to the ,
ConstitUtion ? Might not, the other Princes of 'the
Blood be aCtuated by similar motives ? If so,
what t, situation' would the country be plated ! Pos-
sibly the'Right Hen..GentleMan opposite would say
they could, go on withent,the govereigh authprity.
Theyltnight,Perhops follow the example set them in'
France in the reign of Charles VI. when the Chan-
cellor-stet the royal seal to the pbblic documents, and
nearly, robbed the heir to the throne of the succes-
sion. He trusted, however, that these politieA,San-
grades, who werehltediog-and reducing the Consti-
tution, would ;toff be alloWed much -longer to con-
tinue their r destrudive pradieta. He defied them
to adduce an instance in which there had been any
restriction im prised by Parlian)ent on the power of the
Monarch, so as to place a part of that power in'obey-
ance. He then adirerted to the various precedents
which had been brought forward, and alluding par-
ticularly to that, of 1788, which had been dwelt up-

on with such reepliar emphasis by the Right Hon.
Gentleman nrposite, remarked, that the fondhess.of

the Right tintioinable Grntlemln foT that prece-
de af 'reinif4ed him of a distich whieli he had,fre-
quently be.IM repeated in ht* juvenile dals, and
which, adapted to the occaaiinlii would run thus—

here stands a preceacut ; mho rat it• there ?
• A better man than you ; touch' it it you dare:"
F.-OsIMNE declared that.he telt it to be a
duty which he owed to the pri►ic+pies which had re-
commended him to his Constituents, to protest

agitiot the ori4iiini i•esolution, and against the argu-
ments -which had been advanced in its favour. He

contended that the dot:trine on which• it .was wand-

eat was in the highesktchgree I.ln,..onstitutilmal.
How could the' two 1-touses.o.f Parliament beAnd
to supply the detijency in the executive Afflao-

rity it they supplied it in such a manner, as to
leave that authority in a -diminished state ?
Let the House cou,ider the A.ffea which the pre-
sent` proceeding mig:it have: in ,future times.—
When once by asituning the power of limiting.

Ott! authority of the. Resent the arinciple had
hert established that it was coktipeteut to the two

louses of Parliatnent to make a difference be-

‘N.een that, and the Royal Awhority, who could

ell but that at some future period- tht principle

might be used for the purpose 'of conferrjug on a
Regent an 'authbrity exceeding that of the Sovereign?
He denied tint the Royal sandlot) had been given to
the untiniThed proceedings Of, the years )788 apt!
17P9. With resped to the speech, flow tine Throne,

which had beeo quoted as a proof of that sanction,
he would say that it mot be considered either
as the speech of the Sovereign,' or •as the speech
of the Ministers. If as the speech'of the Sovereign,
adieu- to 'all fie4orr, of discnssiOn in. Parliament ;
,if •as the speech of the. Minister, . adieu to, the
assumption that .it conveyed the Royal sanuion.
No Man entertained a higher resped for therivate
virtues of his Majesty.thati hiniaplf. He •woulti go
further on this •subject thari.,bad perhaps been hi•
Otero- gone ; and vs oold declare, that hr his opi7
nion, the country owed more to the private irtues and
to the moral charadiir of his Majesty thati to all
the public measures of his reign: But while be stated
this, lie could not refrain from prOtesting against, the
use which ival recentiy•been made in that House of
the 'general conviction leis .Majestys. virtues, in
order to influence the decision of ,a question, v.hiCh
ought to Cie detemitted.vothout any reference of a
personal nature.

Mr. YoRKE sincerely congratulated the county
of Cambridge on possessing a Representative who did
so moth honour to their choice as the Noble Lord.,
The. Noble Lotd had equally distinguished himself
by his talents and by his loyalty, although in his
argument he w 445 under the, necessity of ditferipg
front him. It was not his inv.-talon to occupy
much of the time of the House brethis exhaust-
ed subject ; but hp would entreat their attention
while'he stated the circumstances of' the case before
them. In the first place his Majesty had been
declared by the two Houses of Vasliament un-
happily incapable o( discharging' the functions Of
Royalty. This declaration was foUnded on the'
evidence of his Majesty's Physicians. But these
Plgsicians were unanimously of opinion, not only
that' his Majesty would recover, but that he would
recover at no very distant petiod. What the House
was therefore called upon to do was, to supply the
deficiency—but to supply it foi a very short pe,
riod. Many of the arguments, therefore, which
had been urged -by the Honourable Gentlemen op •
'visite, and which might haVe justly leterred to
the question, Ind it related to supplying the deft-
ciericy for a long pc riodiwere irrelevant to the present
question. The two 'Houses of Parliament .by not
calling on Miniaters to give in their seals and sym-
bols of office, had plainly shew n that they intended
that those officers should continue to exercise the
executive authority an their own responsibility, un-
til some controlling authority should be placed .over
them. Well, it wits now proposed to appoint his
Royal Higluiess the Prince of Walei to condut:.‘ the
Government in his Majesty's name, with such
powers as the twq liouses might think proper to..vest
in him for that purpose. He uoiocided, with what
was stated by the Nobte .rd who .-opened the
discussion, that they. ought' to lay unit .of their
consideration 41 mot Wes of a personal nature
and he would therefore express his sentiments
as freely as if his Royal Highness were to do
him the honour' to consult him on the subje4t.
His opinion was ,distinf.:lly, that' as the Regency
Was to be created but for short time, the autho
rity of the Crown 'ought not to be vested' in the
Re-
gent; norcould he nod bkany referenee toParliainen-
taey history, that for a abort period, such full Power
had ever been 'vestedin a Regent. Much stress that
been laid on the precedent ot- the ACI of Philip and
Mary; and it was said that'll), that Act the Regent
was entrusted with' the' full- powers of the CloWn
until the Infant should become entitled to the, sec-
cession.' But in that case Parliament conferred the
authority on the King, 'for- Philip' was he Kingl_
now, they were conferring it on .a- Regent, who was „,
only the Prince of Wales. • The Act of' Successioe
was adduced' as aoother. precedent in Whith.
tench had beeh appointed with the full authority- vt :
11)e, Crown ; botAe, denied this. For instance, the
Council of Regency on that, occasion were limited
as to' the power of giving the, keyal Assent to' a
Bill. ' And could any one suppose that in the in-
terval between the death of - Queen Anne and
-the coming irt of George I. thc Regency could
have: made Peers ? No' roan coal ente.ttion: such
an idea. If ht went through all the precedent's
which were irid on the 'table of the Holise of
Lords in t7BB by a Committee of that Honse,
•he should be able to sheet, that there was 'a siugte
instance of Regency without ar limi,ation. It +vas
clearly established in his mind, that the power winch
ought to he given, was only that required by n,?ces•-•
shy, and what itec, s,ity was,there that the R.,:geia
should have the power, ter a short thee, of stwkiiig
Peers?' It was necessary that that :0... sec shuoin
in the Royal Authority, but it was'not uccessary`ti_at
it should be used t vt-ey day, e ery month, ur cv, ry
year. in arguing the resolution ter, nett, g the
Household, he *mid ref, r to hi, ori;;;h1,11 p;
ilarnety, that ,be regu..ei••ll was 'or' ape Fr,-
.hably short. If tie lie:;eht ywe c l.kt ly to b.:
then it Inlet be ut3;talittry tut 0111).w ti USt the itevot

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wlth the whole power of the State, but also•to co'
skier whether
flirr ought net to be surrounded by all .-
the Rplentlour of the State. Bet he could not
bra
why it was neeeotary that the Prince Regret at th'
peewit day sheuld for a short time have a gretuvrr
controul over the heusehold than George IL wheil Y•
he. was Pi ince of Wales, possessed daring the, tit.
months absence of Grote I. in, his foreiga
nions. 4'.,.oubted u healer it was ever in the eon'
temptation of any tnan until the, present day, MI
regent for a short time should hate any
over the household at all. •He was little acatia'ilt.
ed with the nature of the household
ment, but he was petsttaded that it !be House
it view to g short Aegency undertook to. ,sePil
hat Household, and to declare whirr part of it stint'
.belong to the "King, and' what part to "14 Regent'
they would find it a task chtlicult to .perforne'
unsatisfaelory when performed.. He allowed tint
in whatever way the present situation ot the Gorrn'''
411
pent to as considered, that consideration ,A,a-s atte:
with the s usation of v nod inconveintoo
It was for the •House-to adopt that creme whiLit'
peaied to them to be, under ell toe circuinsianceS
the case; the least disavantageous.
Mr. C. WyNNE, regretted that feeling had beellt
m
allowed to interfere itt the present discussion. -16%
ought .10 ake. Covenant witti thltmselvei 11°L It.
allow their affeations to.supersede theirjtrdyt'~ll+G.
Deeply sensible as he- was of his. duty ti)
narch, he was still more -deeply sensible 01 ", •
duty to the Constitutor). In no former
had any part of the Royal. Prerogative been
',Aired. by -Parliament. It had been lodged in `t
ferent •bands,- but had alWays been allowed la 6:e
undiminished. .HC contended, that in the
of Piitlip .and. Mary, Philip was only a
tiuliii
King 'and, with respect to tilA of Cievge
when Prince of Wales,, wad.it be forgoteli I'll
George I.- was in the full possessioe of ail fits 1'11:
ties, and drat he was at no greater distance Iria
that
kingdom titan Hanover ? It had been art
thatonly
two
th
.Peerserefohraedibeemin matte
ticontiinielnieleesl,a_str.ol,Liiltdir
and
to- the Prioce ftem his beiog ed of toe
Of making a 'Peer ,for t.eeleamoort), As "7'l
might he be deprived of the pow& r of,nraking
for a "Vt'lvernOntil, because a peace it at ilia ne',o
made,fur the. last. foiir years. . But he doubte""!4
tad. Unless his men failed him, a 1:11lin.
and most excellent person, for whom he
ed the highest respect and regard, Lord 11
art
.ners, had within that period been created a r'uf
for the purpose of being. made Lord Cluteeellor_ii
Ireland. The presont propOSition,wuuld restrein
Prince of Wales in the choice of a Cnaticellari „11
Lord Eldon, Lord Ei,skine, or Lord Redesdakr
"respectablehighly individuals. But, SUPP°I gbrif
'loyal Highness should wish to make choir,
other person—suppose be were to select his 11°ed
and Learned Friend opposite, he would be restra4l,.,l
from appointing hits, unless his Hon. and Le'in.'';');
Friend would submit to the iticonvetrietree--4":ij
the grpat law7a4viser of the Crown—to bit
the House of Peers, leaving the defence of hi' lw:j
surer to his colleagues. But it seemed an es'eeloin`liii
-this restriction way to be made' in livOtirofilitv'f-ji
mietary men. ' Till new, the Peerage. had ire° `3'.
to be the rewaid of civil as well as of ii.intarY,'';
rit. A Somers and a Clareuden, and in late
a Hardwicke and a Chatham, had ,hewn
honour had not been confined to military 51.0;sty
For the first time en invidious line of distiadi4
attempted to be drawn. The Hotiouribfe G',lloo
mat, contended, that the provisions thus ovide-fiiiii
but for a short. period. He (Mr. W.) he3'efo
hoped it might be so; but it that period
exteed'only to six weeks, he should stilt tninnure
diet the Royal prerogatiVes ought to renolalot;i,
touched, and that the country, ought not in'
bc
tbated to Seeing, them abridged or diminished. i
j!,,)
. 'Mt. Secretarylivnett dectared,-that the
on which 'he was indeccd to vote on the
casion were drawn from the speech of the Ni,?-'t
lation of 'the Hon. Gentleman whO Itt"1 P%311
down, pronounced during the discussion' 1041,i";1.
and 1789, and-published soon 'after theft peci!di
speech replete -with depth of research, Ir. r'lll-1.14
of statement, and eloqueectiof orgurnetitatioa•
Honourable and Learned Friend conteededi
when Parliament on former oixasiens bat' d'ijj.,
ed any ot the royal authority they delegated
How was This proved.? ',Because Parliament 04,
delegated the royal authority to a .Rcg°lPe'ar
Compattied by-a Conned, was it !Lerch" t° bold
seated
that the Regent received the Royal aft
unabridged ? What difference' was there bet l)
re'
giving the whole aetnoriiy 102 Regent, t eOO.
venting him from using it. without Ibe concurrive
of a Council, and gising him ~a part of that alt.ecti
ty, wholly unfettered. , If' the latter were a Lie
of .the fundamental law of the Cen I°oo
tner could be no less so. . Headt:erted iwtatot
it
precedents on the subject, and etritiendu -tote
was established by them, that Parliament was its ~ttf
Ada
aimiesart tetiittlt
tentewtchei )I.,iiget, p
to limit the delegation of the 8.,,Val ialtliOrilY
th
contended,: that difference of circoros,an"%tiit
riod:
of the Regeut.at the present than at -any 'Ural` adhliT:rirt)oterthetiet-11..1 t°Btit)tr'i:llwiii:l
o
He
dangers alluded. to. - ife'felt the,l• as 8"",
w 3,
by
rte
oeinuternuislts ttritiobli,tospeodw::rdeitpi
rt;:i005):
min. But still di-ern:tined to shown wa'A„,,%1,10
or- all of the restriettons for erne (tVel‘re",,lo
.coutd,tics cripple
enfeeble the theasurei oligilt 14 tti,!ci,P'.olC
necessary frit tne safety. He ‘CPP.."ieriiii
the Execotse Goverornent'l,:p
-help considering the sUbjed to a 'tittfereld"'
f „,1
of view. 'lt v. ROI wit that the re WL'5,411,..f
,yailttig system of discrediting the general con`/,' 101
the Representatives ot the people.; a r'sio
s‘.wercd in, because those try' wliC;l3l it 01'0. P4'-.11
were hey vilify the Iterile'l(,,
lives of the people bet they cotald con:
lesigns ,eatiiht rum. e6pit gown, is :44) coal" „Idl
Wd it
that House lake but by ;,10,1!.s
t t
be per yerted; Tru it- 6 inflow onii Mo.!le 11,°„0
;:ail locne-t. °i
if 411.411:6'.rklidsjitit::.!:sit'cl,4 ll.giV°:,t(itiVt)ers t°1,'1t7,1.164:11
lilies tenting to destrueo e. lie could Out
th, it Houle ac:
tricot propo, d, they would lay '110"1.'"°10
10 grk%aiet Lei-1/44:•e..critatteua ti4ta "111

ley had hitherto incurred. Mlght it' not be said by
teir calumniators that they had sacrificed +their
üblie duty to their private • interestae and that in
ten haste to pay court to the rising sun they had
bandoned what their predecessors had ever held lost sacred ? \\teeth! not that be a spec:es of charge
(Inch weuld make a More than ordinary impression
ti their Cntlstiftleni 5 , an ti which would gain a greater
umber or proselytes to the cause of Rettem, as it
lad beet) called, bet aettleally of 11evolution, thatl
ny other eat it had been attempted to establish .
y ,
hey wee eneaged in the, discharge of no ordi-
lary true ( , but Of 'a. dirty almost as, new as here
ioriant—a duty which, could not' heve been fore-
een by their lCSoristit ()elite when they setureted t hear is their Representatit es. If ever there was ae pe-
:',4loll Which imperiously called ott e them toguided.
ty what iltsy believed to be the t oice of the people,
t was the piesent.. By the voice of the 1-ieopie he
lid not mean the clamour of leCtion, bnt the cool,
sober, ileliberate, and-dispassioiette judgment of the
i !linking ' part of the commuttit Y• He. asked the
HOuie what they knew of the public sentiment
an Ifni subjeet, For Ills ' pelt, he was convieced
that the part which Mr. Pitt, took in t7S 8 had gone.
further to raise the chancier ot, that illustrious mail,
and to endear him to his coentrymen, than any
other 'measure of his administration. He ask-
rd
, , the House e het her they hat any lesson to
believe that the seutimenis of the: country were els.
feted since that period ? or whether the general feels
leg of leyalty ;tred atfeetion to the Sovereign had not
puled eddloeual strength ? If they knew that the
earnest hope of the country was, that it might again
live wider the paternal care of his Majesty, anti that
tun this subject it sees tremblingly
la their alit e., from nee end
of it to the other, hoe would the House answer it
Coestituetits, if they deviated from the pre-.
l'etic"t *tech tire country, 'had already so decidedly:
approVtit.:
,
'N;lrGineelette considered that the Gentlemen op, pos'it' had trot fairly stated the. question. It had beeti truly stated by big ti...atued F,i,lld (Mr. Leacli).ort a,
former evening, tha „pie- Sovereign held hie. P"were
but tor the peoples et therefore the people had the.
,115,4
right of calling on rerlirtnent to give 11rose powers
which hel"tig to tile Sovereien :quite' e , ,•to there= gent. If Mittisters chose tu,coil teem Parliament to
we.lthttohl thoSe'prerbgeriveel wilieti were vested in t hell
etionareb, they r Ia- least were bowline) .sherw t tete
they could not be entrusted. to the Regent will,!
safety to, the nation.' When it wits contended that'
' the exercise of those prerOgaiives wete not necesee
sari
now, because, as ebose who: contended tor:
the restrictions alleeee sbA e
.the time was sh"''',
liew did they knotsv it way so? • They bad il"'''L.
.led'tbe period of restrietieg 'the Regent ' for onte
t Was i
7e4•' Would Fr.,,., e or..Atneiica waits one Year ,
nspessihle for the British Go'veretuent to,
Pt)stilime Ore activey of those States- for a Year, Conl
t"t'ra,llitted •S tiWYIIY) 35 the tivit yof the enemy could not be
- acthe functions of theGoVernment ought
to be unrestrained. • 'With • respect. to the preroe te
1.1:(.c)f imtkits'N' Peers, it Was mest'sertainly ebeeduty.
of tilts I I, use to place the LogiSlative Alegist tate fre
I,l,B,:th'ltiort to tioriely the deficiency. How Wai_lhat:.
itueuelettcy to he surplice? Was it by placing thei.
"; e,g,.3'5"41, or by signing papers, that the Extsteriive
(lei.eneY could be supolied ? No. It `4'a br
givisg to the lee*his
gent the proper and due exercise of
discretion awl judemente commensurate with
I.lle occasions vvhich thieht arise to fight for the
safe of isitglanti. It him been ,argeee, that it was
only nec,sary for the period of .the limitattoti,eto
reward navel and military achievements, but he:
must contend that cases might happen in which, for
awatdett, civil eerviees, the
honours of the Peerage ought t°l
thee,., But then it 'had been conternded that'.
liit! wits no necessity for making Peers ;—see to
that doctrine would extend. It Was very likely.
title the Ministers the infirm Monarch would not •
b." the of
of the -Regent, but they w"ld-
Inlet conent tine influence, or, in other words, the ~
country would have a weak Government, and an
4-)Peosition thade by Act of PatliaMent. By these,.
Peers the Regent would be made the Sovereign or
the Pt'llal laws, of vindictive '
*nest' the Chief M jnstice—the comPl(xi-
t' Justice--the
would be thereby alter" i
e.dut not tn. lie would have theeright
,to execute the lawS,
rh)g Marks •r
Of •
ittnpensate for good actions by eoitter•
1401 Jr. Instead of,being the diepens
eerr of grace and iimiability, which is' time only object
(*.love with the people, he wont(' be turned' into en
object of trust, wanting' the hand of power, Was
it meant ~ e ,
") "" insisted that the investment of any
tit,l, the. Preroisatives in the •Regeut wooed, onehe re-
ur,it of hie Alajestv to health, prevent him trom
theing forth in all theplenitude of power ? Piu
eeY °lean to ssY that etch it holt' would be. capable
....etiterine
i 6 into a conspiracy for that, porpose? Tee
I,4lll""clared the fitness of the Niece for the office,
not went on to render loin unfit by enkliug the re-
strictiblis. ' He could not agree with tetee Gentle-
amen whe- would take away the power tor one year,
_:•)nit then restore it in frill authority. With respect
1 he Household turithgeineets, by transferring the
13(4teal pnwer in that 'querter to ,pottier Regent,
. Beal wow
the 1. 'd strengthen the Opposition, not but
ralithin he ,had every. reliance en the amiable and greet •
tles cif the Queen. It was, however, easily to
. e imagined that the Council oilier Mitjesty would
have some iefluenee, -and that CaUncil of course
would
be in opposition to the Government of the
Regent. In the first place, by such regulations the
influence orthe Regent was decreased, and in the
lieu the polilioar power of the 'Opposition was in-
ci„reasede IThe- people. were taught lily it that the
rriici was not only ashati Regent, bet. would not
!bake a nod King, The operation of the Bill would_
deemeda tat effeet. The ergumentS of Getelemen, it
l) to tom,. were for the purpose ot , exciting
f,Y4I compassion. Th'e Monarch War disgraced When,
i_"t"/ talked' Of his fee'littee bi 'nig 'at:reeled, on his re-
teri.r" to
heahh, to fiod the servants of his household
onoaaged. ' Te say 1144 les' Majesty should have no
th"erit:eeillise-was an.illSOlt to the Monarch--to say
te,l I' could have no auxiety about the stale of
thteit Lcinntr'yeeabout the situation'-of his people—
whichseltileen. aroused fruit the dortn.int state into
: . ,
thin , Is nicht unfortunarely thrown, the first
f.,,,e g "e '"ould call rot was, not a list of, the tnia--
I:if t.uries of les people, but a list of the..dorre sties
Inds lien household. Mittisters, by tidu.ing the feel- °l (6 Muttottli to something little sheet of

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contemptibllity,'proee. cad to take those feelings as
the measure of legislation. Such a proceeding was
neither loyal nor Conslitutional. It wag not treating
a sick' King well, when it understood that he should
not. wish his people to provide a competent Govern.:
meat. Ministers denied him that consolation ; and
when he awoke from his trance to renovated health,

-instead of. betrig surrounded -by a catalogue of his
misfottones, he would awake to see a ca-
talogue only of his domestic servants.
TheMAsT6t of the Rou.s, in a speech of great
ability, preteeded-to take a view of the course,which,
in the present exgency of the country, was best to
be pur!,ued. In examining into that course, it would
be necessary to see whether it would be more bene-

&it Wproviile a remedy from the caedtive wisdoM
House, or to r. yr.`'`-and take
recur t t oys or

_ , •
as a guide proceedine 'similar in eff,!4 to those ni,w
snbmitted, for the adoption of the House b his Rt.
Hon.'Friend. 'the latter was a course which had

been pursueti in ail peiiods of the his►ory of the

country, not troth- a love of anticrity, most, cer-
tainly, but from a wish toadher ;o ever-, precedent
to which great objections could not be applied. That

Such a courseAqis wiser, .was evitieni, g,brn citer►'s'
WiShei, :passions; and even their jufigailent, at su,•h

..
a tpontent as the present, might send to ditlicultses.
Is seemed to be agreed by .some, that in taking she
Proposition thr their glide, 'Ministers had not done
wrong; while pn the wher hand, the contrary was
coiventso. N#ould it, he observed, have beenialg

ed right in them to
.line pursued another course ?
NVoulo it either have been wise,. justifiable, tn. ex=
pockiit, finding a precedent (ipPexac9pie avplicabie

. _ .
'to the ease, in which Pat li.anent lead gone a cer-
taitriongilt, 'to havef departed front that ritecedent,
'and bibught forward some memure of their o• n ?
it they had so think!, : then, indeed. they ,
hive attached to thetnselvesa. very heavy responsi-
:Witty, They chose,. however, to bill
ex iniple fur the guidance .ot Partiameot, which
was, in itself, as had :been argu d, Eankally
wi'Ong, although their • course' of procevtlim, •N ;is
uuexctptlonab:y right, Be the rte,x,dent
:night, -he was prepared to .i:.optenii that Aim.y were
b, 19. mike n' the cat their Inoci
lt 4z.is'anli open so the Hotx,:: r the
principlc of o. That pritkciple haul be...h fairly
re:lted by an lionour,ihie and L,4artic,l F.
(Mi. 1,- ac!k) of his,, who in his speech ita,l

ali th 11 actio•l7ess ,% :as so pei.ti.iltl)
Gib cliai,, .L•ri,lie. That Hon. and LearticA

had acknowledged that it was; tight it. siiL,Cod be:
brouht beture the House, , while ta;:ers de.
!lied it; 8110 CaSt reflections on the movers ut tt.
tar as .the..flaglit Hoti. ana'trued Geotktnan as
influenced by considerAtions of att :cnnteitt to the
.persons twhojitrit trained the'precedt-nt, he must say
that he set a high value. on it—that had the
most respect for the. talents and the vittiles cat the
leaders in that transaCtion, and was..satistied they

would not have prepared any timing ‘t hien could' be L
construed intim a desire to violate the ConStituton.
It was true that, men might be bia'ssed by their feel
iogs; but thew were soame superior to the lot of er=
fie could not think that whatever error might be,
laid to the proposers of the original measure', the
crone of wis!iing to preserve their own it:But:lice was
not to be raid to their charge. m.x.,inining this
precedent, 'which he should not- take as a finished'
transaction (putting out that wnielm on a fortner
night had been commented on by the other side),,
it. would appear that the Bill had nut undelgoime
any material alteration in the Lords, to ailed
its principle, and in recurring to what had been
said with respect to the precedent of the Revolu-
tion, he should say ,that the princiole.of- Parliament
Was thrn clearly pronounced, therefore it tt,
emergeocy had ariseo of supplying,the vacancy, he
should 'have been' relieved, t rout t he necessity of an-
swering the theoretical argumenis used Oow, by,-the,
prattle al PlustrattUn which then would have been
evident. However, theoreced nt o 1 1788 was the
only precedent now to be followed. With respect
then to the question of light, it put hint in of
what once had been said by a great man, that no
country shonld have a Cotistitutiott which cold not
shew it in writing,*,a# skew how it was to be de-
fined.' In compartrig this observation with : •
show of Constitutions `'vs riting" which this
country had seen of late years on the Continent,
most makeit gratifying that Lusland could-not en-
ter into the comparison. But as to the opinions:
now urged, they
,diverged trom each other to this
-extent, that it wits not 'i.simpLftt-itit tlie,lwolls.Muses
of Parliament to give to the Rogent'anyyter#ve,
while others maintained that Parliament were Jus-
lifted in SO doing. The:M.l.,w Person to whom
allusions itact been made, did greatly qoestion, in
bringing 'forward the. measure, the competency of
Parlorniedt on' the su)jed, and he doubted the le-
gaiity of veStiug in the Regent the whole of the
Royal Autholity. That oimittion was ulna' canvass-
ed in 1788, nod the question u'vckrivent 'Very deli.-
berate discussion in debate. - AivaS el mere fore 'tait a
Intlesurprised to hear, it. asserted. hat the Illostrioui
Person alluded to- mistook the trite principles ot.tlte
Constitution of his country. in arguing the gee.**
tion now, it has been said that time incompetency of 1
, the House lay in giving thu,power',. when in lad it I
Was asserted on the other side, that it lay in with,
holding that power. With both of those great au,
thoriiies he must differ. He could not awed with
those who were far conferring on the Regent all the
Royal prerogatives, nor With those who were of
opinion they shouLl be withheld. With time knoiv,
ledge of the Constitution which he possessed, he
coUld not discover any praetice of that ConstitutiOn
which rendered it indispensably necessary that the
powers of the Regent should be coeval with the So.
yereign authority. On the contrary, he had .vyer
unddrstood that the powersef the Regent Must in
.all cases be inferior to those of the Sovereign. The
„Tissuse. were booed to ad, in case of exigency; cer-
tainly according to the best‘of their diseietion. The
question of competency and incoMpetency,' for the
reasons he had stated, very naturally abridged the
powers of the House on the question of right.—
What was the presit proposition ? It allowzd that
the perSon.possessing the pielogatives was: emmiitlrtl
to retain them ; -conSequently the House' had do
right to deliberate upon it. The House" could not
go into time quevitiuti of expediency, and he must
cnntentl, that they were not justified in sepi,rat-

ing the prerogatives) any attempt of that kind

would operate 'to their mutilation:----The Right

Honourable and Learned Gentleman' maintiin.

ed, that the Law and Constittuion pointed out

what a King should be in respell to povvrrOqood
that the-House could not go. It did riot behr.g to
them to say what the Kingly fonaions -are. So it

was ittthe period of the ite.'volutioh, witerl

men t declared that the Prince and Princess of

Orange abouid be King and Queen ; the Rir'lament
then did not -attempt to define what the rights of

he Mt►narch should be—the Jaw had setile-& that

point. -Heinle Gentlemen could contend that it was
necesvry to vest powers in.t he ilepmt, they _should
chew that the. office was ascertoined, fixed, nr de-

fined. Unless they could, there, was 211 end of the

argument. The office of. Regent never had exist-
encein this country ; it was borrowed font France
and from Scotland. In England the abence of the
Executive Authority was supplied by Protedors.
In the infancy or one of the Monarchs (Richard
II.) the Regency was composed of a Council,- the

Protector being the
?head of the CoCtucil. It illtlsl
be clear, therefore, that the defin.tion of the ()trice
of Protet;tor, was better ascertained than that of He-

gent.

Indeed, so littie was it kilown, that in the

lid] of Henry the Sixth, Hitatphroi, Duke. of Giou.

-osier, scot to the Haase to • know kt brit 11.10

lions were The House otli,ords in athwer, replied,
that " t i!ey knew of nude," and yet he was appointed
.by Act of Parliament. The precedents which had
been adduced in support 01 the powers of the Re:
gent,' wete not founded on any rule Of law, so that
ament (.ouid interfere. They possessed Merely

a eecreeouitri. power, and clothing but the necessi-
ey id tee ease could ant horse the use of foal disere-
:ion, It ets Majesty should recover in eight days,
there eoeld be no difficulty in dropping the preeced-
tugs. Wnen the: fitst-satreeirnment was proposed
no one (ihouelo Ministers "ere wrong in making
proposeion, many thought the second adjittarte,
Men t was not improper, especially it while thefunc-
ti,insofithe:Monarch lily dot mast no material ineoti-
e ntence arose to the State. The 'House was now,
celled on to ad, to prevent the inconvenience from
evisieg by admitertg the exteutive 4'enet ions to re-
main aily longer dormant with prejudice to the pub-
lic sereice. rite Right Hon. :and Learn:et Gentle-.
tecul rin.2,- ttt tit - ereeedents before alluded
to,dlte Succession Act of Qocen Anneithe Acts of
176 i and visfie,•coniend,•4„:eat t ii 'very Acts re-
ferred lolly the Lion. CitehtlethAn Leach), proved
tleit toe Govea omeet was crippled. There was, in
eisoeineen, n analogy between the cases ; the Re-
.gene appointed 'older those'AEts had karitly any 'of
the functions to Royalty, while the Royal Person,
the object of the present measure, had the whole.--=
Tee Council of Ree*eney; under those Ants' bore no
resemblance to t,,lieCotineil of.thelith of henry the
Sixth.. Tile Acts of feel and i rris contained no
such provisions as. wete brought forward, foe it was
pitnidieethat the Regent 1113) at like a King, but
we it certain exceptions, limitations, and restrictions,
These Words were liewever quarrelled with, for it
lied been eentended that this Was a species of Meow.
gruity. There was in his olenionereore difficulty
,and, objectiou in withhohlieg, the poWer than in
eraming it. The Parliamear of t7e'e proceeded on'
teis ground, that all the tonetions were not Aso-
eecessat v, yet if the excuse was granted,
whew his Alajesty returned to health, he might be
impeded, not in the resumption of his authority, but in
the carrying it on. The danger to be apprehended
was in Coat loved. Why was it judged expedient
to repose greater confidence in the Prince of. Wale's
than in any other ? He did netimean to make.
this observation in au invidious was', for no man who
knew his Royal Highness would suspect that the
co fidenee reposed would be abused. Bet it was
a fair etomad of objection for granting unlimited
powers to a Regent, because it was inipoSsible that
Abe nation voted have that security iitem a Regent as.
they would have from a King,. the Regent being only
a temporary possesSor, and the Monarch .holding the
office:tor life. A King never could designedly make
any provision et the end of
.his Governtrient for•en-
•feebling it. What was the ease IA it h a Regent, led
him stand in ever' so near , a relation to thie
Crown, . but standing in a lnear relation, and being*:.
-identified with the interests' of the Crown? He
should theretore be inclined to impose fewer re-strie-
hens. These arguments would apply generally, end
em witle.referenee to any Prince of Wales. it was
an unetir suggestion to say ihat.these Who stipport-
ed and proposed the rest riHioie were disposed to
study and give insults to the Prince of Wales. , Was
he-to be supposed less attached to that Royal Person,
who he was ready to admit was emmently, qualified'
' for the Regency, becanse he stated his opinion that
it woulA be inexpedient -teVest too 'Much Of the
Royal ,Authotity ? So.high was the .opihion which
he_entertained of that. Royal Pr rsere that he was
convinced his Royal flightless weekd riot think the
.Worse of 'any pe:son• tot having deliveied his, seine.
ments,upon the question freely and without reserve;
and though
.his opinion might teed to proVide for a
diminutioa of his own personal priwers, nothing
personally offensive Was intended. • The Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman obsehed, that it would be con-
tended--f cow do.you recot,cile it to yourself to erect
an unrestricted Regeney at the end of telnenths,
when you compel a restricted one in the first to-
stance ? To that he would answer, that' at the ex-
pnation of that period, the danger. to be apprehend,:
ed would be gone by, and then it might beeneces-
sery.. SuPposing. that the illness of Jus Majesty
should eoteinue; that the restriciions.should be djs,
continued. it might so happen that the 'recovery,
from the long dtitation of
.the malady, eriiglif Le
doubt fel.. :Besides, it would be the interest oh' the
Regent to act as if he were the% Sofereign—he
would inlact have no interest distinct from that of
the Sovereign, and conseqeently no danger citild be
opprenentied upon the whole. The Right HMI. and
:Learned Gentleman contended he was jtiStified in
sopporting the precedent ut i 788, for the reaseni
stated, and should give his vote furthe Resolutions
.as they POW stood.'
Mr. Seteellleti' declared, that if 'legal sulitility
was that whieh was:requited in the discassion of
his question, he would not think of following the
Right Hen. Gentlemao, but ,as' he thought that
every one, might give an opillioti,on it who had a
knowledge of the Constitetioe, and sortie general

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idea of ptecedents, he hoped_ he would not
considered presomptuous. He cansid,Ael the
House as now in possession of all the la , which
the other side had to brilig forward, for after the
de- late silence and dead re/y:9e that folloWed-the
speech.of his Hon, and Learned Friend On the for-

tiler night, be aopposed that they intend( d to bring
forward the entire in the speech, of His; Right Hon.
Gentleman.' After some observations upon the
other precedents, he went at large into an' xatni•

nation of the precedent of 1788, and con.ef,ded
that the eirctunsiancei of both ca•eg were so ditre.

rent, that without any iitThelation he might say, that
tl.e great leader who proposed atm .tnetistare has
now .ahve, he covild vrve !vith.perfed coi,sisiencr -
against
..the principle of festrictidn. He did not

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Wish to say any thing Against that great mon (Mr,
Pitt), but if ever there was a precedwl , hich was
a disgrace
,to their Journals, and ~tripped 01 every
thins; (bat ought to give precedent nut nori, t , it -A ail
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that upon' which Ministers placed their .whole de-
pendence. . The precedent of 1788 A 'ils tumked 1?y
all the virulence of (dion upon b tl, ssik.4 of the
House, and it should be remembered dial the Prince

was driven at that ;inlet() take a moao decided
tical part, arid that 11,1inisters.wele tighling 1)r their

own exiFoetice. lie denied that there wise
word of truth in the_ Bill brou4ht Parlivie ,t,
and maint4rne,l, that to deny the power 1,1 imtking
l'e2r* to Regent would have the elfett of throw-

log the Whole Constitui ion ioto the Houso of. L. Os.

He also deprecated in.trout; terms that prori,toti of
the Bill which empowered tier Ni jesty in up
any vacancies that might occur to the Ctittocil.7--.
That procekleht should n 4 tt beAuoll to warn
1,10,!, ti a,;.:in,t ifrQse rocks by which the C4nitu•
ti-►t was, then ctititagered. He ridiculed t' c. argu-
ment, Ina: thOimitation,- with respecit to Peers,_
was cahulated "between the Re-
gent , and hisAdministrat%" which 'he considered
as an expedient to put the Regent on " a bed of
't95e6." The former Ministers, no doubr, consider-
ed themselves entitled to the confidence of. t e
country ; the- present Gentlituen,' wo far .from en-
tertainwg ,that confidence, despaired of it, and: very
proi,crly and modestly t,e.clinod even the en:iiavour
to-obtain it. He denied. that they .were at present
a House of Commons, and charaderised. the Mitris-
try by the appellation of a DireAury, There
was one Reub 4 at the head of the French three-
tetry, and that Reuben was a lawyer. He had no'
'doubt, that, if atany future period the Ri4lit Hon.
Gelltiettlall Were put on his lilac lte\would be much
obliged to him for the precesteut that he had thus.
-atfortied him. After a description of the: present
situation of the country, atikof the policy and cha•
ratSler of Buonaparte,. he corqiuded a ino,t eloquent.
! speech, of which we regret that;our limits will not
perniitus to give even au.outline, by exhotting the
"HouSe to gOforth to the contest with the Constioi•
tiOn, and not with a half sword an.l broken shield
to oppose the oPpressur of martliiod,,—" We fight,"
said :the Hight Hon. G ntletnan, " ithe cause
of imolai', ti,cure---we tight in the cause of •th
Creator." _ .

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Mr. CAN sl;tiG, (alXlidit ' a genefal.call.far
titan) rose; ma expressed his intentionrof not tree.
passing upon the indulgeßce of the 1-.1-4,e, for any
length tit tittle. The purpose for which he rose, was
-to expresi an opinion•O4a subject which was nearly
allied to his feelings. In expressive, that' ()pillion,
he was compelled to declare his decided disappro.
hation of the manner in which the question had oven
'discussed by an Hon. and Learned Gentlemao (Sir 3.
Romilly) on a former evening.. -.He could not sit si.
lent and listen to the language of that Right Honour.
able Gentleman, when speaking of that. Illustrious
'Statesman (Mr. Pitt),, without feeling, at the same
iime, that the memory of that great man had heoti
tacked with a 'species of unleserved severil, which
the Subject. in' aiscussion did no.t,att all warns-et...—
What good could' be derived front grounding the
question on the principles of those who presided dur-,
jog proceedings of former times ?' At present, as a
new Government was to be formed, it was certain.
ly necessary. that unanimity should: prevail 3: but 'it
appearq-tobe'the wish of some, pprsons to disturb
the aabeii of the dead, to kindle anew the finite of
contention among the living. He hoped he should not
be tonntl speaking on any 'occasion with cOntemPt
tho'Se who had taken part in the former deb nes : but
he trusted it Would riot be asserted, that the idol
worshipped by those whose political sentiments dif.
Cored from h;s, was to be raised on the sepulchre of
that Statesman he. was proud to/call his everrrever-
ed, illustrious, an't.i .honoufed Friend; he thought the
lustre of that Statesman could not be so tarnished.
• Before they entered upon the new theatre of GO.
vernment„ he :thought every unpleasant feeling
aught' to'be 'forgotten. An Hollow able and Learn.'
ed Gentleutan (Sir S. Rotnilly) hid the rued', if.
• merit it was, or opening the kind of debate he had
not reed.-- He should abstain from following the Ho,
nourableaod Leartied-Gentleman thtough,his speech,
but he west Observe, oa that part ,where he had
said, that " Mi. Pitt was not a/great man." He
'would defy the ingenuity. of that Honourahkeand
Learned Gentleniao to draw a pidure of human
grandeur which should ex,clude from its ..view.the
sight of chat great statesman. He 'should always
speak with resped of the name coupled with Mr.
Pitt, and he would tell that 'Hun. and LearhedOentle•
man, that the friends of Mr. Pitt, huwever thy
find their feelings aroused by the untiandsocue 4nd
attecks upon his memory and etaritirker,
• • would never so far forget .the tespect Out:ln-them.
selves, as .to call forth expressions of-illiberality and •
injustice..4l)4 would disdain to retaliate... He wits
at a ,ioss to Conceive why they had been cahleti forth.
A circumstance;' had occurred in. the Brim's, ,whi'efi,
when•told, might perhaps elucidate that point. A
question had cone under discussion of the Govern.
'ment ou a aeligionS'topic, in which a-Itcy, CiVrgr Mau
train the eatintiy opposed the ninisure, restart' was
one of toleration; t tie ReNeteud person Wes remiotted
dies' the-Catholic religion was tdierated in , England,
to which the Clergyman r:-plied, yen though time
false religion Was bound to tolerate the true, yet the
. tine as not bou d to tolerate the take, th. the
-same pritutlie, those whd calumniated, Mr. Pitt
judge those who differed bout them in their politi-
cr•i creed. He did nut pre.utue.to say what should
he the extent of the executive potsqi, 1)1 tic; thought
that pla.ziug the greatest powouwlueb the Constitu-
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