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London, England, 1845-03-07 00:00:00

CHURCH EXTENSION.

Mr. CHILDERS wished to know from the Right
Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government whether it
was the intention of the Government to grant a Queen's
letter this year. He was desirous of knowing this be-
cause the Church Building Society stated that they
would not make any grant to churches which had been
in the gift of trustees. That resolution being in contra-
vention of an Act of Parliament, and also he believed in
opposition to the wishes of the Right Hon. Gentleman.
Sir R. PEEL said that the usual practice had been to
issue a Queen's letter in favour of a particular society
triennially. That letter was not usually issued till the
month of August, and he did not suppose the usual
course would be departed from. The subject, he be-
lieved, was now under the consideration of the Eccle-
siastical Commissioners.
FIRE INSURANCES.

Col. SIBTHORP gave notice of his intention to
move certain returns connected with fire insurances on
Monday next.

COLLEGE OF SURGEONS.

Col. THOMAS WOOD wished to know; from the
Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he
intended to propose any remedy for the grievances under
which the College of Surgeons laboured ?
Sir JAMES GRAHAM was at a loss to understand
to what grievances the Honourable and Gallant
Member alluded. He was himself not prepared to ad-
vise any alteration.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.

On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX.
CHEQUER, it was ordered that the House, at its rising,
should adjourn to Monday.
PROPERTY-TAX.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR cf the EX-
CHEQUER, the report on the Property Tax Bill was
postponed to Monday.

WAYS AND MEANS.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX-
CHEQUER that the House resolve Itself into a Com-
mittee of Ways and Means,
Mr. WILLIAMS trusted the House would give him
an opportunity of stating the reasons for his being ab-
sent last night, when the motion, of which he had given
notice, was called on. He hoped he should be able to allay
the feelings of the Noble Lord at the head of the Woods
and Forests in doing so. He came down to the House
last night to make the motion ; and thinking that the
questions that were before the House would occupy a
greater length of time than they did, he was too late to
bring in his motion. He deeply regretted that cir-
cumstance from what had taken place. He could
assure the Noble Lord, that in making that motion
he could not for one instant imagine that in the
slightest degree it could have been conceived that he had
any intention of applying anything personal to the
Noble Lord or his noble father ; and if the Noble Lord
would compare his (Mr. Williams's) motion with the
notice he had given, he would find that there was not
the slightest difference, either in the wording or the
meaning, between that and the entry which appeared in
the Noble Lord's own books. He would read the Noble
Lord's own statement, which was laid before the House.
The statement to which be referred was the Twenty-first
Report of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests, and
signed by the Noble Lord. The schedule to which he
referred was the Appendix, No. 2 (B), which
contained the manors, buildings, lands, and other heri-
ditaments belonging to the Crown, which had been sold
by private contract by the Commissioners of her Ma-
jesty's Woods and Forests. It was respecting these
that he desired to have some explanation. In the state-
ment to which he referred it appeared that certain
lands, containing 7,438 acres and 36 roods, had
been sold to his Grace the Duke of Newcastle.
for 1,0491. 15s. 9d. Now, the notice which he (Mr.
Williams) had given was for copies of all surveys and
valuations of 7,438 acres and 36 roods of land, belonging
to the Crown, adjoining the Duke of Newcastle's
Haford estate in Cardiganshire, which had been
sold by private contract for 1,0491. 15s. 9d.
If the Noble Lord or any other man—he did not care
who---could point out the slightest shadow of a shade of
meaning in these words, he would submit that the ob-
servations of the Noble Lord last night were justifiable.
—(Cries of " Order, order.") He begged pardon for
alluding to what had occurred on a previous night during
his absence. He would wish to go into those statements
of the Noble Lord ; but, as it was contrary to the rules
of the House, he would not further allude to it.
He made the motion on public grounds, and submitted
to the House that when they saw such a transaction,
without any sort of explanation—a sale of property be-
longing to the Crown, the fee simple of it for 2s. 10d. an
acre—they had a right to demand an explanation. He
wanted to know what the situation of this property
was, and accordingly moved for the returns. He now
regretted having entrusted the motion to another Hon.
Member, which he thought a bad practice, and attended
with great inconvenience.—(Laughter, and cries of
Hear.) In 1839 he made a similar motion, and on the
same grounds—he moved for conveyances and all other
documents connected with the sale of this manor.
What was the consequence of that ? A party had pur-
chased that property of the Crown, at a low rate, in con-
sequence of various encroachments which had been
made upon the property, through the neglect and
supineness of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests.
Poor persons had encroached upon the property, had
expended their labour upon it, and had brought it into
eulvation.l This had been done because the property had
not been properly looked after by the Crown. The pur-
chaser of the property had endeavoured to force
those persons to return their holdings to him. A gen-
tleman of great public spirit took the matter up,
on behalf of these poor persons. The cause was tried
three times, and was at last moved into the Court of
Queen's Bench. The purchaser still endeavouring to
force those poor persons to return the property to him. A
representation having been made to him (Mr.W.Williams)
on the subject, he represented it to Lord Duncannon.
With that kindness of heart which was so charac-
teristic of the Noble Lord, he immediately in-
stituted a most carefnl investigation into the whole
case, compelled the purchaser to withdraw his
claim, and the whole affair was amicably adjusted.
He thought that after such an occurrence the Noble
Lord could not be surprised at his asking for an expla-
nation of the nature of the transaction attending the sale
of the Hafod Estate. It appeared that the property had
been sold at an excessively low rate. He had made
no charge against the Noble Lord either that be
had sold, or that his father had purchased the property
improperly. All that he wanted was, an explanation of
the facts attending the sale, and if he had been in the
House last night—(Hear, hear, and laughter)—he would
have moved, as an addition to the motion, that a sche-
dule should be laid before the. House of the encroach-
ments. It was necessary to have such a schedule, in
order to show how the encroachments had been purchased.
He was sorry that he had no opportunity of replying to
the Noble Lord, or he should have shown that he had no
ground either in justice or anything else for the obser-
vations he had made. He could assure the Noble Lord,
if the purchase had been made by any one else, if it had
been made by two of the most intimate friends he
had, he should have moved for the return precisely the
same as he had now. He had no motives whatever
except to satisfy himself more particularly as to
the means that had bet n taken to ascertain the value of
the estate. The sales of Crown property by private
contract were a fair subject of inquiry ; be thought all
rates of Crown property ought to be public and not pri-
vate. The Crown received a sum of 385,000/. annually
in return for these lands, and the Crown estates cer-
tainly produced a large sum ' • but not more than 145,0001.
of it went to the public Treasury ? He contended
the department over which the Noble Lord presided re-
quired looking after as much as any other department
of the Government. At present, most of the revenue de-
rived from Crown lands was spent for all sorts of purposes.
With regard to the charge brought against him by the
Noble Lord, he had only to say that he would never
shrink from the performance of a public duty, however
disagreeable that might be—(Cries of " Oh, oh," from
the Ministerial benches)—and he repeated his regret
that he was not in the House last night to bring forward
the motion of which he had given notice.
The. Earl of LINCOLN said that the Hon. Member
for Coventry had deemed it necessary to enter into a
long explanation, for the purpose, as it appeared to him,
of justifying the motion of which he had given no-
tice. He (Lord Lincoln) begged distinctly to repeat
what he had stated on the last night, that this motion
was a gross imputation on himself, as far as his public
character was concerned. He did not blame the Hon.
Gentleman for bringing forward this subject. If he sus-
pected a public servant, he was quite right in bringing it
forward. What he (Lord Lincoln) did say, and what
he conceived he had a right to say, was, that when the
Hon. Member had placed the notice on the books of
the House—a notice, the plain intent and meaning of
which was, to charge corruption to a public
servant in the discharge of his official duties.
when such notice had once appeared upon the books of
the House, it was an injustice to him (Lord Lincoln)
and towards the public, who were as much interested
in the character of their servant, as he
himself was—(Hear, hear)—not to bring that
subject forward at the very earliest opportunity, in
order to give that public servant an opportunity of clear-
ing his character. The Hon. Member for Coventry has
not yet even acknowledged the injustice of the imputa-
tion in the motion which he brought forward. He (Lord
Lincoln) agreed with the Hon. Member that the
Member giving notice of a motion should bring it for-
ward himself. But why, he asked, did the Hon. Member
for Coventry not act on his own principles, and bring
SUS Motion forward himself ? Why did ho bye it to

the lion. Member for Montrose to do so in his absence ?
That was one cause of complaint he had against the
lion. Member for Coventry. Another was, that he bad
put a notice on the books which bore on the face of it a
most unfair representation of the facts. The Hon.
Gentlemen, with a perversion of vision, had read the
motion on Vie books, and then the extract from the
report of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests, in a
manner which was intended to convey to the House a
mast unfair representation of the case, and he would not
be wroi g i i supposing, with an evident intention to mis-
lead the Muse of Commons, and to lead the public to a
different interpretation than the facts of the case war-
ranted. What was the extract which the Hon. Gentle.
man had quoted ? It would be found in the 29th page
of the report issued by the Commissioners of Woods
and Forests in August last—" To sale of certain parts
or portions of land adjoining to the Haford estate."
What was the motion of the lion. Member ? It was
for a return of all surveys and valuations of 7,438 acres
of land sold for 1,049/. 15s. 9d. The Hon. Member has
shown by his statement—though he was absent from the
House last night, that he had read his (Lord Lin-
coln's) observations upon this subject, in this morning's
papers, and therefore he had made himself master
of them, and of the explanation he (Lord Lincoln) had
given of this affair; and yet the Hon. Gentleman now
professed to say that that which he had just read was a
full and fair representation of the transaction through-
ont. He Lord Lincoln) would.not now enter upon any
further explanation on this sulject.—(Hear, hear.)
[LEFT SPEAKING.]

THE MURDER AT HAMPSTEAD.
(FURTHER PARTICULARS.)
It has been mentioned that the deceased Delarne was
known to be in the habit of wearing two rings, and
although the most valuable one was discovered by-
the unfortunate father of Thomas Hecker, amongst
some of the cuttings of the shoe materials at
his house, still up to the period of the pri-
soner's examination on Tuesday, at the Police-court,
no trace of the second ring had been found. It appears,
however, on the return of Mr. Hocker, son., to his resi-
dence, in Charles-street, that his wife had also, during
his absence, found the second ring to kind of gold keeper)
amongst some rubbish. Mr. Rocker, sen., lost no time in
placing this further evidence of the gill lt of his wretched
son in the hands of the police. It is still believed, as was
the case in the first instance, that there was more than
one person concerned in the murder, and this suppo-
sition is strengthened by facts which, subsequently to
the holding of the coroner's inquest, have transpired. In
the North-road, and but a very short distance from the
Swiss Cottage, a penknife is stated to have been found,
having the handle covered with blood, and it cannot be
identified as having ever been seen in the possession
either of the accused, Thomas Henry Hocker, or of the
murdered man, Mr. Delarur. The facts which have
transpired in evidence also tend to show in some measure
that more than one was coneeined. In the first place,
Delarue was, as compared with the accused, a
much more powerful man, and therefore, single
handed, would have been likely to have had
the best of locker. Again, the cries of murder
from deceased were heard for two or three minutes,
therefore that fact does away with the impression that
Hocker must have pounced on the murdered man una-
wares, and stunned him. The police aro actively en-
gaged in tracing out, if possible, the owner of the pen-
knife alluded to.

During the inquest, it will be remembered that when
the coat of Thomas Henry Hocker was produced,
there was evidence of a bloody hand having been thrust into
one of the pockets. Shortly after the verdict of " Wilful
Murder" was recorded, Mr. Wakley directed the summon-
ing officer of Hampstead, in whose custody the clothes of
the deceased are placed, to examine the pockets minutely,
in order to ascertain if, when they were rifled by the
murderer, he had blood on his hands. On Hunt's return
he stated that there was not the slightest spot of blood
on any of the pockets, and.the only blood observable on
the trousers at all was a long streak passing down the
front in the direction of the left thigh.
The extraordinary manner in which the police have
got up the evidence in this case has been the subject of
general remark, and the anxiety manifested by them all,
as it were, to have " a finger in the pie" is still more sin-
gular. Fur instance, in the first place, Inspector Par.
tridge holds the watch and ring, identified as
having belonged to the murdered man. Secondly,
Inspector Shackel holds tho mackintosh, trousers,
&c., covered with blood, belonging to the accused.
Thirdly, Inspector Haynes holds the gambroon trou-
sers, drawers, coat, waistcoat, stockings, and shirt of
Hocker, as also the button found on the mantel-
piece. Fourthly, Inspector Gray holds the letter
signed " Caroline," and other documents. Fifthly,
Sergeant Scotney holds some letters found at the
accused's lodgings, addressed by him to a Miss Batty.
Sixthly, police•constable Thomas holds the button found
on the spot where the murder took place. Seventhly,
Inspector Tedman holds some obscene books and prints
belonging to the accused. Inspector Furlong holds some-
thing else ; and lastly, Hunt, the constable, holds the
deceased's clothes.

It has now been ascertained beyond a doubt that had
not locker been taken into eustody on the night he was,
that most, if not all, the above-mentioned evidences of
his guilt would have been removed or destroyed. It
appears that on the following morning after the capture
of the accused, the copper at his lodgings was found
filled with water, the fire laid, and everything prepared
for washing, and all this was done entirely without the
knowledge of the landlady of the house. The letters in
the custody of the police are said to deeply criminate
the murdered man as well as 'fucker.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
ROUSE OF COMMONS, March 6.
SOUTH WALES RAILWAY.

Mr. PHILPOTTS presented a petition complaining
that the standing orders in the case of the South Wales
Railway had not been complied with. The petition was
referred to the Select Committee.
TRENT VALLEY EXTENSION.

Mr. MARK PHILIPS brought up the Trent Valley
Extension Bill, which was read a first time and ordered
to be read a second time.

BLACKBURN, ACCRINGTON, AND COLNE

RAILWAY.

General LYGON presented petitions complaining that
the standing orders on the Blackburn, Accrington, and
Colne Railway had not been complied with.—Referred
to the Select Committee.