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London, England, 1816-03-05 00:00:00

perspective, The fetal amount of the retiuttion in
the Estimates, as_they :low stood, and thoselaf last.
yearl Was 74,000 inert' and a charge of 5,000,0001.
in that difilinttl IC:tit MIS comprised the British army.
of 30,000 men: in' Frances as it -MIS no long* at
the expence of this country. The rest consisted
W. 23,000 men of different deicriptions, and the
foreign corps to the amount of 21;000 awn, hi
the 1-lousehold there was a reduction 'Ol 1800 men
:end
,355000.1. . In the ca,vah )7' , one. of 9000 then and
:11'40001; Nine regiments of cavalry had been
transteircti to France, to he paid by that country,
and. therefore considered as among the reduced.--
In the cavalry Ikt home, the diminution was 1600
linen anif 46,0001.• There was an inprease in the
special corps of 2300 men and 100,0001. but on the
Ijscellancous charges the decrease• was 193;0001.
It was, in fact, 393,0001. hat as 20°,0001.110 been
tatien out of that branch of expenditure last year,
. liii. the nott4ifeetiie pay, that stint had been since '
tin tided, leaving only tirP,V a real saving of 193 ,000 L
The numbers of the Army in the Estimates; in.
iltidefloiliCers, dritintiwrs, 'and trumpeters, which
heilikg dedneted out of the whole'. of 'Which they
ormed'aboet one,eighth; left 99,000 rttnlt and tile.
I!.
..,,,,,,,,i...... in the service' of -the. East; India
Oinnaily, the diminution was only seven hun-
dred men, but .those regiments were riot paid
. by the cimmtry: In the embodied • Militia, there
was a reduction .of 1,466,0001. Part of that
tfilitia was already disembodied, and the rest
would be as soon as they bad reached their cantons.
'1 by diminution in the pay. of General (Meets was
8,7601.; in that, of the Staff and Garrisons,
173..0001. Thtt rednerfon in the Houle Staff eon.:
sistekr of two Majors and two Lieutenant-Gene-
ta!s, three Aides-de-Camp to the Prince Regent,
sad two to the Commander-in-Chief. On the Fo-
teignfBtalf, it Consisted of five Comthanslers of
forces, rme. General, six Lieutenants, and fifty
7slajor-denerals. Ott the Staff of Great Britain,
~ two M kjor-Generals, and two Aides-de•Camp.
In the Islands of Guernsey and Jersey two Lien
tenant;Generals would be replaced by two Major-
Generals. In Ireland,
.tha reduction would . be
* vu Lieutenant Generals and folly Major-Gene-,
x'al, ; and When'thO turiiiiit was disbanded, a fur-
ther reduction would take place in that country.
7t was•propo.ed to discontinue the Commandiu.-
in-Chief at Ceylon, and to replace him by a
I;4:tat:mint-General. The same would 'be dons
at the Cape, at are Mauritius; Jamaica, and Gib- ,
raltar. There would also be ' a farther saving of
33,0001. on the Foreign Stall. On the full pay to
3"l)erninnerary Qfiicers there was an increase of
19,001. ocectsioned .by the, provisions for the ve-
teran and- diSabled Officers who were entitled to

Oder the nstahlishment 10-4(401 At A potAtotnt
out, bo,c It appeared to him that no effort had.
been Midi to reduce-the Peace EStablishment be,
low 0,00, ne rather 1.11,000 meal whilst, on
the contrary, every argutnent had been used to
prove that such a force• Was absolutely requisite.
I',ooo men might, therefore, be considered as
the'intended regular Establishment. tie did not
see those (littigers in the situation, Or. the milltory spirit of Europe, which should alarni this,
country. In fact, her politics were too deeply
-mixed with those .of the -Continent. If the
European Powers chose madly and tonlishly,to
exhaust themselves by keeping up those large,
tstablishments, were we to tlo the same
POWer ought -to disarm first, , it Was Eng-
land that. was the most secure of all. Iler
crease of territory justified an increase in her mi-
litary force on some points, but ought to occasion
a 'decrease of it °a others. The island of St.
lucie, for iiistance,. was a menacing post in the
hands of an enemy, and required a force to watch;
bnt in ours it rewired the call for a display of
itrength 'in a gnarter where we were no: longer
threatened, The state of our Navy and Mir Com-
.mand of the sea gave our force a -kind of üb-
iquity, and enabled us to transport it without
toss of titne eta every point menaced. When no
attack could he apprehended from without,
he
.regarded the attempt" to garrison fully all
the defensive works' on. our shores, as a waste
of public money. Re appproved, however, of the
amount of the troops asked for Ireland; but in-
quiry into the state tit that country, and-the adop- •
tion of a new system towards her, must take place.
Ile 6°loll that the Noble Lord had fallen into
an error when he had stated that the reductiod of
20,000 men would occasion a s.iving Of only
600,000/. By itis.own showing, it appeared that
the reduction of 74,000 men produced a saving of
Upwards of two ,millions ; that of 20,000 must
therefore' produce one of more than (00,0001. As
long as the Duke of Wellington remained at the.
head of our army in the territory of a late meaty, •
althOugh the number of that army wete its
character was high, and who dared to attack
those who had fought with it, Or against it;? he
believed that theutmost cordiality existed bet wec'n
all the Powers,and,it wits because he thonght peace
'most secure, that he objected to the amount of the
intended establishment. lie then called upon the
House to compare the Estimates on the table, with
the Peace Establishment which Mr. Vitt had
thought fit to propose. , On the iith of February, •
1792, that great Statesman had proposed for the
last six months of the•year, in guards andigarri-
sons for Greats Britain, 1,5,700 men -; for the
,Co-

Irt'lire 011 halt-pay. 'the 'eduction in the public
tltiitadirlent's tvotild be 15,000 L acid it intuit be on-
iidered, that the bli*ineoi of reAucing the army
would be rtstr a tint? more considerable than that

jonies and Plantations, Nova Scotia, Gihrakar,
and New South Wales, 11,382 inen ; and besides,
on the Irish F.:itablislitnent 199:1 men, making to-
gether 13;383 Ilit411: This did Mr, Litt consider. a

of conilnctint: the army, once estahli'hed. \Viten- sufficient Establishment for the country, Unless
t::e.er that increase of business should:Cease, there. the necessity for, the present be demonstrated to
wouht be every diirsition posh the reductions, ris clearly as that of a large force in Ireland,
Uri her. On the Exchequer I;eees there was a di- which he admitted to its fullest extent, he should
rninutiiM of 53,0001. 'On the military allowances be obliged to oppose the other itemsoftheLithuates.
an increa,e. ,rj53,0001. On the Ustimates of chel-. After a series of observations on the unnecessary
sea and Greens'vich, one of 3,8001. The increase on amount of the Establishment for the different
the Olt-pettsioners of Chelsea and Greenwich was poSes proposed, lie declared that the. safety of
102,000 i. and tn. the Pensioos -to Orphans and the country, for which he was 'as (kepis? lute-
lows 6,4001. -The diminution in the Volunteers. rested 'as any man, might he ensured, with a far
IP,AA•te: 0,-..44 A:44.v less array, allowing the tun latitude of elarm.which
It seas inteuded to reduce the reAtments of this many Getitlemen. enterteined, to be instifiett by,
descriotioo of force to one 'halt of their.amonnt. circjiniStAllCCS. War could not COUR! Upon US
Tile saving produced by the reduction of the Fo- i like hurricane ; and the only way in which the
reigis Corps would he 435,0001. the woole of those Interest of the country could be consulted, would
Corps being intended to be reduced. he Ger- be to retrench and economise in every possible
man .litoyinn hail
.already beets litarched back to j way, lie contended, that therty was ground for
lianover for that purpose. In the Military Col- jealrinsy 'in the itiffuenee of CoOrt patronage. We
lege the redoction wtts 3771. but in the Military were ebout,to vote this night nine millions fur
Asylum there,was an augmentation of 11.0001. Army Services, which would fully absorb what-
e'tisittg front the extention of the infant part ever could be savedfrom, any other Source'. He
that establisloneot. On the retiring Chaplains, then took a review of last year's reventie and ex-
there was a diminution of '899.i. and in the inci- penditere :of Ireland, 'and contended that it •Svni
' dental expenses, one of 53,01)01. On the Cons- scarcely,possilde they would produce as winch this
tassionate List fbere was tin increase of ,0901. I yeari while the army vote for Irelaod, was more
in the COMUUSSariat.Depttrtifiellt, there was a re- i than 900,0001. being almostdouble the excess of
slnction of 100,0001. on the Irish Commissariat, last year's revenue. It was impossible to go on
and 34,0091. on the Barrack Establishment. In < without keeping down our establishment, or else,,
the War Office there was a small increase on whenever we tool to meet war, we should meet it
the allowance 'or the retired Clerk, Caetaio with eXhattsted resources. Ihit time inking Fond,.
Gardener, who had been reported by the Coiti. if properly managed' and kept up, aided by just
' toissioners ,entitled to lialf.:pay.' The charge for retrenchments, would be the permanent securitythe Officers serving its the Portuguese Army and salvation of the Country. With these impres-
svas 'lateen 'thousand pounds. But that charge simtns on his mind, he should feel it his dal to
Wits not permanent, tool the pay:wonlil be des- give his decided negative to tile' motion. •
vistitineed as soon :1'; the' Court of Brazils could be Lord -CAST.I4IIBAGH, in 'a long 'and 2tiiinatett
apprizil 'of 'tile intention, that the operation speech, took a complete view of the Estiniates, amid
might be executed it: concert with the Portuguese justified the neeeSsity_of eicty item of expendit ere..
Gove;mmeat. lit thus reaapitulatO the svhole,: He began by expressingltis extreme :Anxiety that
which formed a tednction, in men :mounting to the subject sbotild uittleroo the•follest inveitiga-
-74,00, unit in eliare in five Millions. If the ii(M, in which he hail been gratified by, the con-
present Estimates' %vett WWI
.11105 c at llaiCt of the Gentlemen opposite. Ile 'Mist, how-
the year 1814, the dimitottion would ha.fountl to ever, say, that their constitutional al,Arms had
consist of 8,1143..000i. mail if with :the last year, of been greatly 'exaggerated ; but efey h rcl 11:ad the
notaries at 'OlOll,OOOl. One million of the lore- good effect of narrowing the lue.stion to the soh-
lent tstimates wail only a temporary charge, :toil stratum as to what was the getleral amount of the
two millions more Avould remain to be. provided forces'ilott are necessary. Ile '.vas ready to go'
'for, even if nil -Arum Were kept. Altionlgh this with-,the Gentlemen on the other Side, as to the
redtiction of five millions might, not completely R,OeStiott of econoniV • , for as the people had
sitisfy.theflonour,able" Gentlemen
.opposite, yet trusted hrgitly Maid confitleutly,to i‘lioisters, and
ite trusted tile House would See its it e proof had giVett thefts the means of britigirig the weer
of the disposition of GoVesnMent to redOce the to a glorious conclusion,
,it was a double dirty.
Litiiblisimient of the country us frilly end i on their part to 'AoW a marked spirit to 'relieve
as I,lst as linssitde. lie then &retitled the them front all possible hurtheos. Ile must there 7
tibn itllich be had made, th it the reduction of j fore protest against,those false and tukjust argu-
Zi,00:1 inert ‘tonlJ not produce'a saving of snore wilts Which were employed to itsflante the mind
shim 600,0001. by shoving that the charge for the of the, people, by uniking them believe thus such
lcititish ahoy in France (which was ietrodueed 0-011411t,,e!ig as they "Pellence time
into the tstiinates) emounted'Only.to.99o,oool: preterit One would he of no advantage, and ought
for' 36,000 Men, Having Made these statements, ' to e'despisett. question for consideration
li Shottlit init' trespass any longer upon the titne ,what relief could, really be afforded, nithont
ffotoe,' but shOuld stand ready to give any bre king,down the harriers of our national safety,
further explanation i.eltich `might be.requmucth. He C which,' if once destroyed, could never be re-esta-
emicholedhv mowing his 'first resolution, that blished All that lie..elaimeil,from Memherawas,,
laud force not exceeding 170,615 risen, ineludiug t that they would not "offer his Majesty!" Ministers
-the forces in France, aud 30,480 men to .bedfsti. t*Lieitsleinoorted down by bold and .broad
banded, btu exclusive at the men emproyed tiolorthat.the,ylllV atherselrOntiecononly;Alicarl)
territories a the East India ComiLlny and the lor.he could assure the tHouse,rthat the difficulties
that- were imposed CM,Ntioisers conducting the
.'be granted tot the service of the year. .
nitely 'greater than any ti
Kas complained' that some Gentle Men, aftaits:ol peace, woe, iis
Yvto had always tile word Constitution" on their they had yet had to toidergo, while cooducting
had ituagiOed 'that the Rouse were' not able the ,war to its glorious end.-,(Hear !) . There-
to deeide On the Army Estimates, and propoSed fore, if:they could tiod.,thesmeaus of giving loge
to-
tally an Address to the Throne .to regulate -I and ,pretieal relief to the Country, ate house
m
their aount. Had they succeeded, the Crown altbeYohlientigbt be confident that it would
tvrei.etof course, have sent back the ;stone Eitiv'l be' . eeme.d. .their most garaqfPt: duty CO do
rol.oii'tis'litose:Wilieli it had originallreonceived Ministe9l4oa.periee4r Mare,- thlit if at the
4lacthe beet, The House were told.not to COO- .'IOT-tiscot, moment they skte to,istkc'any ern:3_llou!