The Sun.
London, England, 1829-03-10 00:00:00

Silt he would not controvert the fact stated by the Hon.
.-7.ltientber as to the numbers who had signed the petitions
',resented by him ; and perhapS his reasoning as to th 4
numbers against the measure might apply, if they were
taken per capita, in some parts of the country. But even
if that were the, fact, he would ask how it was produced?
Was it from the good sense of the people, or was it not
fetetteAeetppointed feeling, devoid of sense and grace, but
stetter marked with bigotry ?—(Cheers.) He trusted
that some of those who cheered him in a manner he could
not mistake, would attend to what he said, and he wee
sure they would ft-el the same indignation that he die.
What would the House think of petitions got up in etipu-
-lous and excited plares, be means such as the circulation of
hand-bills like the following :
" Since Catholic emancipation first began, not less than
fifty millions of unotFending and innocent pertons have be-
come the victims of Papal vengeance. All the tortures
that the fiend, of hell could invent have peen practised—
burning, broiling, thumb-screw, rack, pulley," &c.—(He
could assure the House be was reading the wool* of the
placard. He rejoiced to see the spirit in which they lis-
tened to its contents, but he wished them to listen a little
more, and they would have ample reason for laughter.)—
" Infants quartered, and their limbs strewed in the higl -
way, their brains dashed out; young girls impaled alive
and naked ; women and girls have had their breasts cut
off, their bowels blown out with gunpowder ; the arm",
legs, noses, and ears of men have been cut off, and their
heads cleft ;minder ; bodies have been fastened to trees,
and their insides torn out; the skins of men stripped off
while alive, and nailed to window-framee, &c. Will you
then tamely yield to such a priesthood as this ? If you
have any bowels of compassion for your tender offspring—
if you have one spark of veneration fer your religion or
country—rouse from your slumbers, for the fee is at hand!
The man who votes for Catholic emancipation strengthens
the strong holds of Popery, is an enemy to God and his
country, and little better than a traitor to his King !"
Such was the document circulated in the West of Eng-
land, until it was stopped by the Magistrates, and it pur-
ported to have been printed at Bath, Was he wrong,
then, when he said that arts were resorted to, which Hon.
Members who resisted the measure now pending would
themselves stigmatize and disavow? But this was not all
—in a book late:y published on the present state of Italy,
and dedicated, by a singular coincidence, to the Hon. Ba-
ronet, the Member for the University of Oxford, the
author, some exclusive Protestant, had stated that he found
in one of the towns through which he passed the follow-
ing inscription :—" In honorem beats' deiparse Virginis,"
which be hail thus ignorantly translated, " In honour of
the blessed Virgin co-equal with God," terming it a shock
ing piece of blasphemy, and asking how a Prosestant could
travel in a country in which his eyes were censtantly in-
sulted by such disgusting inscriptions ?
Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL was sorry that the
Hon. Member had not saved himself the trouble of reading,
and the House the trouble of hearing, the placard he had
exhibited, because at an earlier hour of the evening
the contents of it had been fully detailed by others.
—(Hear, hear.)—He could not believe that it had been
wetted on the walls of Bath by the enemies of Emancipa-
tion ; he thought it much more likely that it proceeded
from the friends of that measure, in order to cast au un-
merited stigma upon those who resisted the invasion of
the Constitution now contemplated.—(Hear, hear.)—The
Hon. Member had spoken of the "glorious majority" of
Friday night. It seemed to him (Sir E. Knatchbull) that
the minority was at least very respectable, and certainly
he was very fir from wishing to partake in any of the
glory of their opponents. Thus much he would say, that
the minority would have been the majority, if those who
formerly resisted concession had remained true to their
principles.—(Much cheering.)
Mr. DENISON.—The Hon. Member for Oxford had
alluded to the election of 1826, when, as he said, the
people were deluded by many of their Representatives.
He could only say, that when he stood for Surrey, in
1896, he had stated distinctly at the poll that he should
vote for the Catholic Claims, anti on that principle he had
been retnrned by a large majority.—(Hear, hear.)—As
the Hon. Bart. had talked of an appeal to the intelli-
gence of the Country—on this point he (Mr. Denison)
begged to call the attention of the House to a sin-
gular document he held in his hand.—(No, no, no, from
one sitle—hear, hear, hear, from the other.)—After
i.!:e debate of Friday, he had had occasion to go into
country, and he found that Surrey, by a County Meet-
;"4B, was about to set an example to others, and thus to
ettempe to intimidate the Duke of Wellington and the
Home Sepeatary.—(Hear, and laughter.)—ln the neigh-
bourhood of ehe town where the meeting was to be held,
a number of most inflammatory hand-bills were in distri-
bution. What would the House think of the placard in
his possession ? Would they eonsider that an appeal to
the good sense and justice of the people ? He was sure
that many of the most respectable individuals who bad
signed the requisition in Surrey would treat such a publi-
cation with contempt, but it was intended not for them,
but for the lower orders, and it was entitled " Queen
Mary's Days," and it was ornamented with nine prints,
exhibiting the tortures and burnings in Smithfield and
elsewhere in her reign. The most important ciscumstance
was, the source from whence it emanated. His friends
round hint, and the Right Hon. supporters of the measure
opposite, could have no notion from whence it came ; per-
haps the enemies of concession and the Hon. Bart., the
Member for Oxford, might have some faint idea upon the
subject, but they would doubtless exclaim, non tali auxilio.
At the bottom of the placard were the following words
Price two-pence. Printed for the Religious Tract So-
ciety, in Paternoster-row."—(Vehement cheering, and
continued laughter.)—So that this publication came from
an Association whose peculiar motto ought to be, " Do
unto others as you would they should do unto you." It
must, indeed, be a bad cause that required such 'defenders,
solo appealed, not to the intelligence of the country, but to
the ,vciet passions of the multitude.—(Hear.)
Mr. C. PALLMER would not have risen but for the
cart of personal appeal made to him. His Hon. Colleague
Aid him only common justice when he acquitted him of
any knowledge of snob publications. The Hon. Member
had said that they were issued to influence a public meet-
ing ; but be (Mr. Pelletier) thought that the Hon. Gentle-
le,en would have done better to have waited until that
meeting took place, and there to have offered sods consi-
derations as lie thought might have weight with the people.
It was not to lie denied that the people were excited ; they
were jestly excited, because they saw what they considered
4 shameful surrender of the Constitution, aggravated and
embittered, if it were possible to aggravate and embitter,
by what the Right Hon. Home Secretary had gravely
called securities.
Mr. DENISON added, that earlier in the evening he
trod informed his Hen. Colleague of what he should have
occasion to state.
Lord ALTHORP agreed that his Hon. Friend (Mr.
Denison), at the election in 1826, hail openly and fairly
stated to his constituents the vote he intended to give upon
rho Catlukc Question. He wished to know whether the
other Hon. Member for Surrey (Mr. pallmer) had pur-
sued an equally straightforward and manly course?—
(Cheering from all sides.)
Mr. C. PALLMER hardly felt justified in occupying
ea much of the time of the House on a matter merely per-
eorial ; but the question put to him required an answer.—
At the election in 1826 he had not made up his mind upon
the subject, and he had therefore disdained to give a pledge,
although if lie had chosen to do so—it was well known to
many Hon. Members who heard him—he might have ob-
tained double the number of votes.
Dr. LUSHINGTON congratulated the Hon. Member
on his recent discovery, that at a contested election he
ought to claim the confidence of his proposed constituents
by conceding his sentiments upon great public questions :
he was to disguise his opinions, that they might not be
construed into unconstitutional pledges. His object, per-
haps, was to leave the voters in doubt, that he might
thereafter take any course that best suited his conve-
nience.—(No, no.)—Upon what had the Hun. Gentleman
refused to give his pledge? Upon any new question?
Upon any topic that required fresh and long investigation ?
Upon any question demanding ail the learning and all the
talents of the Hon. Member for Surrey? On the con-
trary, had not the Catholic Claims been agitated for the
last thirty years, and so fully discussed in speechee, pain.
phlets, and newspapers, that even the Hon. Member must
despair of throwing any new light upon the subject?
One word in answer to the Hon. Member fur Oxfiael ; he '
might, and no doubt would make an admirable Represen-
tative for-the University; but he had assumed to himself
an office for which he was not equally well qualified—that
of a confidential adviser of the Clown ; his advice was
that Parliament should be dissolved, and that the Catholic
Question should be made a matter of discussion and contest
at a general election. Did the Hon. Bart. recollect 1807,
when the "No Popery" cry was raised, and the most
violeut outrages committed? He (Dr. Lashington) should
never forget what had then occurred, and with good rea-
eon ; he was at that time a candidate for CreatYarmouth, and
he was seized by the anti• Catholic mob, which attempted
to throw him into the river. Scenes like that should
never occur again.—(Hear, and laughter.)—For one he
would say, that if Ministers were guilty of the imprudence
of taking the advice of the lion. Bart., they would de-
serve impeachment. hie wished also, in answer to what
had been stated about the intelligence of the country, to
mention, as he was authorized to do by a most respectable
and influential member of the Society of Friends—that