The Sun.
London, England, 1845-07-09 00:00:00

Cbtri laittton

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock.

,AILWAY COMMITTEES

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

TEE CORNWALL RAILWAY.
tir_he Committee met this morning at eleven o'clock, the Earl of
Zilb°rough in the chair.
silNethewy and Veale were called by the promoters of the
gas. Both gentlemen are traders resident in Cornwall. They
'• evidence in favour of the line, which they thought would be
;Zlneneficial to the people of that county, more especially to the
abitants of Truro and St. Austel. The present cost of carriage
etit'pl great, and much time was consumed in it.
.The linhe
biinu,salso benefit the pilchard fishery on the coast, in which muc
s was done.
benlelfir; Drew,mayor of Lestwithiel, said the line would greatly
eiht;Les `
it le agricultural district bordering on that town, by the fa-
bit would create for the carriage of lime, &c. All the inha-
krt!!' of Lostwithiel were in favour of the Bill. The line would
„7.9 benefit the mining trade of Cornwall.
Cross
—Was a shareholder in the line.
and Mr. Fox gave evidence in favour of the Bill
Ititterwitness stated that the population of Plymouth had
'"nnbied since the war.
The
ortheremainder of the day was occupied in hearing the evidence
Fat, Earl 01St. Germans, the Earl of Morley, and the Earl of
prol;:;utn, Who severally bure testimony to the advantages of the
ihat i.eci line. They thought it was the best practicable line, and
us would confer great benefits on Cornwall.
lam e details entered into were, however, wholly uninteresting,
the
Cora engineering evidence had yet to be disposed of, when the
tolttee adjourned a. -•—• ' ,'clock.
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HAMPTON.
THE BATTLE OF' TIIE GAUGES.
The Committee met to-day at eleven o'clock. Members of Corn-
Zett!e_resen,t Lord Auckland, Chairman, Lords Saltoun, Rosalyn,
I"uiand Winchester.
The cross-examination of Mr. Mathews was then resumed in
Ith er the London and Birmingham scheme, but nothing of
rirtance was further elicited.
• r. barker
trap* iron and coal master, of South Staffordshire, was next
the district,
He ai he was connected with one of the largest firms
'district, being aestablishment that made one.fourth of all
eft.leable iron iii the district. The make of iron in the district
vik-'lllh, Staffordshire he represented to be 9,000 tons of pig iron
14,c; "mg nearly one-thirst of all the make of Great Britain.ooo
tgi°le Make of pig iron for the United Kingdom was 3 ,o
11.01eitlY. Of this 10,000 tons were made in South Wales,
they t....ntabs in South Staffordshire, 7,000 tons in Scotland, and
41. ,eet theing 3,000 tons in Derbyshire and Shropshire.
itZeh y
the l
had great difficulty in competing with
troth tht ironmesters in shipments to the Continent, arising
He-hade,igh rate of carriage and the imperfect accommodation.
llieetin;eM the evidence of Mr. Mathews, and agreed with him
°renew° the superiority of the present line over the rival line
Xrtinn Re could speak, however, definitely respecting that
tinf; 1e
Dudley to Wolverhampton, in which space the line
Watikeeasideration accommodated the greater number of iron-
',land, He had seen the machine at Paddington for transhipment
WaS perfectly satisfied with its efficacy for the purpose.
Veils ,„-„,-arnined by Mr. HOPE—He was nat able to explain the
.titad,^fttlY for the transhipment of goods proposed. That
efitiCe better done by the engineer. From what he had seen
IllrpotZeteri he was satisfied it would be found efficient for the
lit-hretihtgred. The principal markets of his firm were Liver.
Ll'elitl4:""ter, and Hull. He did not send so much to Bristol
Row He understood that the tonnage on the broad and
trinoi saaBes were to be the same, and in that case, so far as
tta th.as concerned it did not matter much which linethey used.
:4,41 oriLttstled that 'competition was bpneflcial in reducing the
talle. Before the opening of the Liverpool and Bit-
- NI nEh
-'ne, the carriage of lime was 20s. per ton to Liverpool.
it,tl taken for 10s., and he thought. it might be still less.
h`th'reli,"°rheYcroft ironmaster, of Wolverhampton, was examined
ry evi WWI respect to the merits of the two con ptting hoes.
144-hilee Was principally contirmatory of tie evidence Nivtn oy
tre,aLl's yesterday. He admitted that the new line 1.0 Lon-
necessary in order. to force the London and Birmingham
hY to
accommodatei the public better than they had hitherto
Nat "'vas•eXalitination of the witness did not elicit anything par ti-
Ileth._"474brook,
th."'lS of the of Stourbridge, deposed as to the general cor.
e evidence furnished by Mr. Matthews. He believed
•N'teitit "I of South Staftl,rdshire was in favour of the Great
tici ,r 1 Scheme. No farther back than last Saturday he sent
'o46:Petition to the House of Lords in favour of this scheme
tilthtrthres, when every master in the district of Stourbridge
kr. izt, With one exception.
44, to thisarden, alkali manufacturer, of Stoke Priors, was examined
"'taunt of the salt trade of Worcestershire. He deposed
44joi,
_With
lop -"Proved facilities for transmitting the salt, three
erstetilt-• Counties might use at least 100,000 tons yearly. At
"
*Ss b„.thelnake was 1,500 tons weekly. Twenty years ago it
kr: 300 tons weekly
stidB"th, farmer, of:Berkshire, gave evidence respecting the
*,:,!tsititl.tantage which would be conferred on Berkshire in supply
t districts by the construct ion of this line.
to„" 'l6ht
arlds between Reading and Basingstoke required salt for
rite bh-418. and if it could be had from Worcestershire at any
lewhs-Ld" a I/. it would confer a great benefit. The present line,
wiippirstladed, would accomplish this. It might be supplied at
gaqd
tif Horton at 12s. 4d. per at Farnborough at 17s. 9d.,
asingstoke at 19s.
, Con
-Mittee then adjourned till to-morrow at eleven o'clock.
ablirsrAT AND 1371X.PAST /UNCTION
IMPORTANT DECISION.
•%1, "'
e-
"ect Committee on this Bill reassembled this morning
etc eleven eleven o'clock, and proceeded with the evidence in favour
for the promoters of the Dublin and Belfast Junction
eist,, 'Ms Somerville, M. p. for Drogheda, was called to prove
Iten.s.'e Majority of the people of that town were in favour of the
Si railway.
pr,rJenna M'Neil, the eminent engineer, who had laid out the
b ther:di
:aim;
thtuheo;
happnraodo: vteaittddowthat it was one of the most important in Ire.
great stream of traffic running
ek: oi nu
t the.
The length of the line from
q"anl7ll
,sebuetretshtecuirtiv-lae" '6.14
Pz'
1 miles
r. IToir:gemiles, and from Drogheda to
Calculating from Dublin the trunk line would be
nwdalsine would be eight or ten miles
twenty-seven chains radius, and
th:lteepest gradient 1 in 100. There would be a viaduct near
th;._l4lne of about 400 yards in length. He estimated the cost of
shlll'einain line at 630,5451., and the branch at 117,027/. He set
o'4...gMetes down at 74,7571. He estimated the working ex-
at nn
4h. -w Per cent, upon the expected annual revenue.
sle"..-Cdriess was cross-examined by Mr. M. CHAMBERS. at c0n-
,444111..1e length, With a view of showing that the necessities of the
itsti,;, called for an inland instead of a coast line, and that the
This the line were of a very difficult character.
jithet%lZ4',.ett the case for the promoters of the Dublin and Belfast
kr. n 'Me.
atZh "Aleaatta then applied for an adjournment, urging that
„.been taken so much by surprise by the very sudden ap-
4ith,"‘ of the Committee that they had not had time to get their
kr:" ever from Ireland.
klttee Huiteliv resisted time application, and eventually the Corn-
Litt, rinned to grant it.
Zeit o; L;Hastiseas then proceeded to address the Committee on
litt"hal.. the promoters of the Dublin and Armagh inland line,
'es c 'ne that the coast line was commencing at the wrong end.
1,1,1,7,„ reh'stoners appointed in 1836 to ascertain the best mode If
7:1 reizb Ireland with a general system of railway communicationhouh
144 ihtetnrirriended that all main trunk ines ought to pass through
ii " the country, as had been done in England, andg
-r
time to produce branches to time main ports and exten.
the coast The Dubin and Armagh Railway was one
%%IS s -colt-14_4k trunk 'lines, but the Dundalk and Poriadown was
teithtlett tht extension, and therefore the Learned Counsel con.
thelattetat the Committee ought to prefer the former, and reject
elw •
pith
a..,-ese„4es were then called to prove that the inland line was
k:ht "e two, and the case for the opponents closed.
ta_. was therefore cleared, and trte Committee having re.
teed"'gtd "
whberation for five or six minutes, strangers were re.
hen
e,jianate announced that the preamble to the Dublin and
Unction Bi.l bad been proved.
11 C tr,'" bING ORDERS COWLIKTTTEE.
°-'n'ittee met at three o'clock. The Earl of Shaftesbury
cfha ir,
:the pol.,lo.ing Bills passed through Committee
•411, Wenon and. Wyre Railway Bill.
Gh_arnich and Bandon Railway Bill.
I,Zhej"g„ (4" Junction Railway Bill.
tip"stlerition of the Great Western Railway Bill was post.
tho to-metrow.
5e1,44 WeetyrY and Ekien Raway Bill was uner Eldora-
tettlithterte.Qur reportnn ltisft,ll but itil was expected tod pass= through

I-10U SE OF CO 3IMONS.
GROUP A.
0 'Z'Xzr
140 in, c TERDEN AND EYE LINE.
fh 4irman taking his seat this morning, the cross-exami-
A)
,h,Ltdar4y:t,.-• (Who was examined on the part of the above line
T~Pul4ti.'4 resumed by l‘lr. JOHNSON, when it appeared that
4ti,„, With oh Of Rye was about 4,000.
Was then re-examined by Mr. BELLLIIS, but stated
Itoportance.
amt Ne, 1:1•815 then put in a letter from Major Curtis, a resident
;1%444 to the Poor-law Commissioners, pointing out the danger
65,41 y, ton workhouse at a certain spot known to be very un-
lio;rs rnoch so that he himself intended to pull down some
itl4,lttetitz,p:errhiiosvnesrleivniieiagr the place, arid which lie was about to pull
in them were in danger of ague. This
)1 toy oclueed to prove that the bout), which this line will
Ito 'an watt°fn., account of which he petitioned against this line,
*nt -- lue
4tr •
to the"-is then called Mr. Salmes, a farmer and grazier, who
itth how advantages to be derived from this line. He himself
44:4 Wasiarge quantity of corn, which he would send to Londond
th, het ha railway to send it by. Has no shares in thepropeif
‘ll4 1141 1)44 a very good opinion of it, and intends get shares
I.thet 11.411,!ek Thinks Rye would support two lines of railway,
tot3_l%•eboh,ll'_is Bill were to pass, the line would certainly succeed.
Ihk,:lbjur."'s Smith, a sheeo salesman at Smithfield market, spoke
tist4•ol4,lll done to sheep by being driven long distances A
tiLf_tineen known to lose six or eight pouni in. weightby
141'14, I'd from Bye to London. Sheep often had their shoulders
ttid,"ito..-onl excessive driving. He was no relation to the for-
' Oki "0, Mr. J. Smith, but he sold sheep for him in London,
I Itt f'etitie t •• • o dealings with him.
Miller at Bennington spoke to the expense of convey-
.'4lh
"°t4
thatstation of the
'tilb 'Past
place to Staplehurst, where the
ktas; to bern line is, and where it is necessary to send it in
l'et;thot.st&ve it conveyed to London. To convey 800 sheep to
1114,,4„n1e0 fne4t 321. The same number would be conveyed to
61. 4s. The witness spoke at some length as to the
'tour which would be sent to London if there was a rail-
-4 ".elf at present ground about seven loads per week by
111,•nere4 about thirty-two loads by steam. His business would
It:rtal %bed very much if the railway were made. There were
lie, et Millers in Bennington, who were all of opinion that
1, Would
10t. a great advantage to them.
10.ther,'Kei a farmer, and also a general dealer, at Rolvington,
cirliLceealled, and spoke to the feeling in favour of the line at
tettlitle Tae
alb to the advantage to trade, &c., expected from
ne Population of the parish of Rolvington was about
.`%Otarainfl, another witness from the same neighbourhood,
hi..
Fred the former evidence.
lii flip a ettlt"aao was about to call another witness, when
inject ofi?,lll4ax said that he thought no further evidence on the
stith a
k "le feeling in favour of the lisle, and of the necessity
7,4 4 tline was necessary, and that Mr. Hildyard ought now to
p engineering evidence and the traffic-tables.
11444,411),1'n•raan said that he was not prepared to produce the
1411 t but if tha Committee would allow him to examine a
Lllllll44:Tenterden, be would be atria to produce the traffic.
crjatelY afterwards.
4m,, o,7ius. a resident at Tenterden, gave evidence in favour of
0471 it ;641h*.
Sta 11° 'p, Civil engineer, was then called and examined.
kWh
• WU engaged tb lay den a line (tom Headecan

Rye, and accordingly surveyed the country between those places
for the purpose of laying down the best possible line in the
direction pointed out. He bad also estimated the expense cf
the line, which he calculated at something under 140,0031.
The items incaided in that sum were as follows :
For fencmg, 5,5351. ; for earthwork, 35,5301. ; for masonry of all
kinds, including 14ri,:ges, &c., 15,963/. ; Inc .tati,,ns, 4,9651. and
fir contingencies, 18,7631.—being about 17 per cent. This was
a very liberal estimate for coml. gencies, the usual amount allowed
being 10 per cent. The object of the line was to make a communi-
cation between the port at It) e and the interior of the country. The
steepest gradient on the line was lin 130. There was no tunnel
on the line. There were no very important curves on the line
The length of the line was 17 miles.
Captain Moorsom was then cross-examined by Mr. HILL—
Witness had had an assistant to work the calculations, which were
founded on observations made on the spot by Mr. Thompson, who
was now present.

Captain Moorsom was then cross-examined by Mr. CLLRKSON,
on the part of Major Curtiss, a petitioner against the line—He
did not think the line would do any injury to Major Cur-
tiss's house, though it passed within a quarter of a mile of
it. The engines when passing the house could not be heard
there, as there was a hill between the house and the
line, which would be an obstacle to the sound, but they would be
heard at the house both before and after they came directly oppo.
site to it. He did not think it would injure Major Curtiss's pro-
perty, as the value of the land through which it passed was not equal
to the improvement in the value of the land in general.
Mr. MELLOR was about to cross examine Captain Moorsora, on
the part of several landowners whose property it passes through,
and who petition against it, when

Mr. littorstin said that he wished to call a witness who would
prove that the opposition of these gentlemen was in reality con-
ducted by the Brighton Company.
Mr. MELLOR objected; and after some discussion,

Mr. HILDYARD asked a question of the person he had alluded to,
without calling him as a witness ; arid being satisfied with the an.
ewer, withdrew his objection to Mr. Mellor's cross.examination.
The witness, being cross-examined by Mr. MELLOR, said that
this line passed through a field belonging to Mr. Sutton, a petitioner
against the line, and separated a piece, one acre in size, from the
rest of the field.
Mr. HILDYARD asked whether the witness was aware that the
field in question was called " Starvation Glen," from the extreme
barrennes of the soil ? (A laugh.)
The witness replied that he did not know the name of the field.
Mr. HILDYARD said that he must call another witness to prove
that fact.

()n the conclusion of Captain Moorsom's evidence, the Corn
mittee adjourned shortly before five o'clock.