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the limo to the 13th of March next, when tiler( e:Sw,
be an opportunity of further legislation if it shoulda'
found necessary. He was urged to disallow the cord
ment of boys, under the age of 13 years ; bet frets
that he had heard, he thought it would not be unroll;
able to forbid that they should be employed under%
years. It was desirable that some of the young
should be brought up to the employment, from an I
age, to enable them to fill, afterwards, some of thes
difficult parts of the work. These were t.;!e two pt:i •
pal clauses of the Bill. The third clauSs. re;
to the regulation of the number of hours, during' as
the' children should be employed. He found tli/o
would be very difficult to enforce such a re„ulstti„
but he - thought it very desirable that ~
under thirteen ;ears of age should have; three
I for the purpose of rseeieing instruction, and for clay`
tion. He (lid nor, hosvever, mean to press this 00
The next clause, which provisied for inspection, he:,
disposed to press, but it would b' for their-Lordski
confirm or reject it when the Bill came into Cots;
to-morrow. The next clause related to apprenticers
owghei.c h
Thehe p
clauses
sd
to sh;
hmel d 9 terminate
he
lioual
dt eight:- en fur
present, But the 9th clause was importaljnar.
„!1 rood
that no psrson under twenty-one years of as- s , ,
employed to manage an engine. He bad, hove v`" silo
informed that there were persons under that 5':4 tl'
were by use perfectly competent to take care.quitl
engine, and, therefore, he would not objectfto aie„,isis 0
into this particular. - These were the princilg"etielstiO
which he had now to direct their Lordship' i i test illi
He proposed to make the Alterations he had stated
the Committee to-morrow. The Noble Lord °'-'
over °cid
by
movinH g theH second reading.
the Maass,e
Lord ATERTON said, that after ta
,
which the Noble Earl had performed his sec)* 11, saP
task, he would not press the motion of (which,,, soill,(1,1
given notice, for a Select Committee, and wbi°llipi, Al'
have felt it his duty to require from their 141."40d as' '
the alterations now proposed by the Noble Ear' had
been made. The effect of the law, if it had : cpst,,e
the way which was at first proposed, would b°,l; Pe
stop to the raising of minerals in the counelejoitr
was not one who opposed that part of the Billwhibst be
vented the employment of women in mines ; roes
thought the clause might undergo advantageou' Yostore
alteration. For instance. cases of women 0s
e f,
age, and widows with families, who had been
ptea'
customed to the work all their lives,, might beliar,i
With respect to the employment of boys onbSe° t 0
nate days, he never could consent to that, and he ritissis
his Noble Friend did not mean to press it. Indeed °oft!
practicable it was not necessary. The ensploylne,tiloy Pe
boys when in the mines was not continuous, its lrio FOP
only to attend upon the colliers, and there was no
sibility of limiting their stay in the mines to to?loss,
a-day. As to the alternate days, they were 'oss')
ticable, but at the same time the clause was ne"t sit
nary for the purpose of promoting the ensployt! i,ie
boys every day of the week ; for it was a fact tinta!,` in:
case, in high wages or low wages, did the colnis?
r
more than three or at the utmost four dar 0861
The alterations proposed by the Noble Ear rityfi
valuable, and in the name of the Delegates he or
them for the attention with which they had •bsi 9
their representations. One suggestion he- wc:brsi;
offer, which was, that a clause should be intr iv la
prevent the payment of wages in 'public ketins!itii
was the universal practice, and was attends,' " 4,
worst consequences. he IP?
The Earl of RADNOR also approved of t--4,0
tiers, as far as they went, but he set his faced vot,
legislating on this subject. Moral duties 011, of °..0
enforced by law. To enforce them was the citit'd Ehd
clergy, and the Noble Lord who spoke last lis A
that the clergy could do much in that way, fli is,'
told the House, that by the influence of the 13," a° r;
masters in his distract had given up the verY,'„tiiss°e
tice of paying their men on Saturday night. ''''s, 'l`;,
enforcing a moral duty by the legitimate meen,o Y,f
Noble Earl then read extracts from the Reporu'ojeo
that in several mining districts, through the istl,ooo
the clergy, the employment of married sc,'SstrAr'
mines had been discontinued, so that, wit'll,o
law, the immoral practice was on tiitl•''
crease. It appeared, too, that great ineoli,o4
occasioned by the construction of the Cottages, t „se'"'
and mother and whole family, chilciseen, and gois s
boys and girls, sleeping in one room. 11°viiii
o,ss
said to be as much a source of immorality es t ier
going into the mines. Well, why did they 116' ci, ‘
against that ? Why did they not make a hoe that, tO 4
should not sleep in one room ? He begged thenrigli
sider whether, whilst intending to do good, they tbrj,,os
do great harm; as they would certainly throw .t,i 010 id
out of employment. He thought. that as the 131` se s'9:,
to come into operation until March next, the l'Peoft
do well to allow it to stand over, and, in the Mc ire
leave it to the Poor-law Commissioners to intiti- p,,,s
its probable effects. stio"',2,
The Earl of GALLOWAY supported the ra,.2'i 0,101
regretted that some unwise concessions 'had br,;.,,51ed "es
in the House of Commons, and he was stl,;*l)';.dir'sl.
her Majesty's Ministers in that House (the .I)°,l„it " 0
not able to adhere to the pledge given by -oore,'
leagues in the other House, to support the met, (bell
least in the same state in which it was sent-ell ',irscioe
The Duke of WELLINGTON felt great reed 0 11
the Commissioners, but he had before observd oli so
House, that this inquiry had not been carri:„issy
those Commissioners having the power to adt°L;poif,t,
oath, but by a number of Sub-Commissioners, e„lr roe
by the Secretary of State, not having the pfaiegiit 01
amining upon oath.—(Hear. hear.) He I",ss o)'
evidence contained in the Report was not e%,211-1;;' e i
a character as
.to carry with' it their LOP„'"siASsO,hti
deuce, and therefore it might be expelient t%'-‘,:psre `",00
little more into the character of the evidence 'gust',"ig. i
gave their sanction to the Bill. He had stated llliej
wish to vote for some measure in the present ',,ags4oo
Parliament which would get the better of the nii os
existed in the collieries. In the meantime be s',:''ece.4
for the second reading. and when the proper tris sls
m
he should give his opinion upon the aendmee yel
might be proposed by his Noble Friend or Ire f
Noble Lord. He had stated his opinion now wttaieo'
to the evidence, and he did not think he n6e l 0
further at present.—(Hear.) 0,0
• Lord HATHERTON wished to explain as °co. ci'fr
had said on a former evening respecting inacc, timisrf)
the Report. He had not attributed intentional cies tit
sentation to the highly respectable and coeVoi)
gentlemen who composed the Comtnission• rrocit`,s)
had said was, that the evidence contained some eh be°
statements respecting the districts with whie ,S 1
acquainted. ,A Or,
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY regrett.,s si
Noble Lord opposite had withdrawn his notif,e.eil '`4,
fl
Lion for a Select Committee, the effect of wi,iiageS
that they were going to pass the seccnd re,94,icl
Bill which that Noble Lord (Hatherton) had "elO,Ol
founded upon false statements.—(No, and A la t 01
Lord HATHERTON—No; I said that 5013)" iit
statements were erroneous. e ple, i`si
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY was -,)%ferf
reluctantly, at that late hour (when it was so i.ne-bie 4
to many of their Lordships) to follow the -o°l4lo-,
who moved the second reading of the Bill tbr°94oS
of his statement. In the first place, the Noble, sillier
logised the Commissioners. Now he could 0°;',0,„,!
in that eulogy. One of the persons wh„°frtep,
into Scotland, was a man of the name or dO,
hatter, who had been twice a bankrupt, °I 00
been convicted, fined, and imprisoned, lois ibe4recAs
Clerk to one of the City Companies. Witii re'ri"oke:,?
what had been said as to women working 'retrio
i mines in England and Scotland, when they 'ver,se,iiis'
I employed in the mines in Ireland, the "c.ll tool
Ireland, the women of the peasantry in the s°ll",iglite."
loud, who were almost always naked—(La is 01
were employed in harder labour than working - 4S,
, Lord CLANCARTY—What is that ? ;„,s, ro,
1 The Marquis of LONDONDERRY—PigT,,,isiersfr,
i toes.—(Great laughter.) He repeated it ISO wio 01"
I more laborious work, and worse than workiogicsis ',,d,
—(Oh, oh, and laughter.) The Noble i‘ia,,`',bosttegS°
letters from persons connected with Scotland. " col'isi'
that the evidence in the Report was l';00; ee
in an honest manner—that it contained r. c,
representations—and that if the Bill ,Fa s"s
et 1.
: working of the mines must be given up. -.,'"jaytris '',
thrown out of employment in the mines woleic., feet'
living in any other way. It was very well,, Is ititythell
rescuing the little boys. But who was to fill t",..easte), as
from eight to ten years? In conclusion, he I"oootiitl'''
the Bill be read a second time this day six 11°"es i'i I,e
'he would divide the House if he divided ale ¢'o 1
House acceded to his proposition, the measure .- the
next session referred to a Select Committee. ,slereir
Lord WHARNCLIFFE in reference to tisft";.(3":
been said by the Earl of Galloway, as to tlte.esit' $4.;
of opinion between the Members of her .3kflai tltertite;
vernment in this House and in the other s'" :give otiriL
none. They had been, throughout, resolved t°4 Ode '"
support to the principle of the Bill. But it ws'iossiliPtli'
to proceed with deliberation, even in the ireeill secs°
• a grievance. There was a great “el;sve ostir
1 details of the Bill which ou;ht to ow; if t%'
inquired into ; and in this respect r.),f ).%,elliv
of Commons had not done its duty.---(0ell 0' it s'.(tbe,
Bill had. passed' as it came up from that 11,1,siens-t (the
have done great injustice. But his Noble ii,teaec,
Earl of Devon) had managed the Bill $o °the,
..*:s ,0
was ready to give his vote for. t ,s 0 der
reading. At the same time 11.,,e 0,101 freirt
quite sure whether that part of I', ,rsee,eiire
the most desirable—the exclusion of ~"iised ',test
working in mines, would be hailed with 0"16r31 -is.
in the collieries. He feared that it would 11 lopoe ob,
much distress, by throwing many out of enl.nirig et
lic
The Bishop of GLOUCESTER was untruss b.tic 0`
trude himself upon the attention of the --,t)doe'tr,i/oLof
could not abstain from protesting against tnale tee '' tle"
a Noble Earl (Radnor), who had address° I,s 01'01
in the early part of the evening. The dOriteriere
ofte
this Christian Legislature ought not to Ite sapP
moral duties. Having made this protest/ ° the
the Bill. troePle h 9
The Duke of BUCCLEUCH would n(4 But 150(4
House for many minutes at that late hour; _ cool. 01,
had been alluded to by some Noble Lords i'_.ef thisoi 11
give a silent vote for the second readingli7h whi 'grei
No women were employed in the mines "bs bad diet'
was connected, but he must admit that of the csbter
difficulty in overcoming the prepossession u_s dasie „se,
in favour of the employment of their wives o,n'a ia
tit. ot
He believed it was perfectly- true that out
set
cases the women, having been one" mPri, averse,
doors, become attached to it,
change. He had not found that in his
cin, 'tbe,. par'
where wom n had ceased to be elnPl°Yessfeae-) friyiP
had felt any increase to their burdens.---s , IstOu
s i or
After a few words from the Bu'r- VI
CASHEL, i div" r
- ' bit "( • al
Stranc,eiN w i ito withdrl"V:,,, tin a'
, • ere or, eree ' '
took piaee, and the Bill was react as.,(':';l. . •
01 0
awl were ve
~,,,:a.libtosi.so
dered to'be Committed to-nsTrokv Ohl' oes.rs •
+to' ells,}?.
'The' ollicv Orders of 'tes D,iy were ;obeli.
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