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London, England, 1845-07-24 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIA3II724:I.

(THIS DAY.)
HOUSE OrCOAIIVIONS.

The House met at Twelve o'clock.
FULL.
On the motion of tCOAL he Earl of DITTY
LINCOLN, this Bill N'1161114
a third time.
On the motion that the Bill should pass,
Sir JAMES DUKE moved," That it be enacted, tha!*.off...ll
and after the 31st day of December next, there shall be101"e
upon the exportation from the port of London, vrestw ;..
City boundary on the river Thames at Staines, of goalstvvernty
ceeding in quantity in one barge, lighter, or other ves,el, fall
tons, which shall not have been landed, a drawback of ilia d
amount of all the rate, or duties which shall have been Pal „„..
respect of such coals, subject, however, to such rules and I:_tr.
lations as may from time to time be made by the mayaor.c.cii
men, and commons of the City of London, in Corinno !-: el.',ch
assembled, to prevent fraud in respect of such drawback.
e''
e" of
rules and regulations to be approved of by the Comm rc
her Majesty's Privy Council for managing the affairs ofi,tradci:s
and if the master of any vessel, or any coal-weigher, r.,ot
any certificate or otherwise state any circumstance whichals,:',,
true, for the purpose of enabling the owner of such co.!
0"y
his agent, to obtain any such drawback as aforesaid, or if
lighterman or other person employed to carry such coals! '_"....es
destination westward of the City boundary on the river Thames
at Staines, shall not deliver the whole quantity of such coalsevrsuc
some place to the westward of the said boundary, aen'"iffend.,
master or coal-weigher, lighterman, or other person, 5 ).,,, Dot
ing, shall for every such offence forfeit and pay any s
exceedi one inindred pounds."
theMdra.tyl-I. ngUME thought that there should be a inodifieet/W 4
the ie'
Sir G. CLERK said that he could not consent to 1 the
troduction of this clause. He was perfectly ready to acheitittlis
fact that the South Sea trade had diminished, yet he W number
same time confident that the amount of shipping and tbe „so
of seamen had increased. Since the introduction of.
buts
navigation, the coasting trade had certainly decline, eu_a; i
the business and the prosperity had increased, and thereer
poi
larger quantity of sea-borne coal introduced into th I;e0
of London than had ever before been carried. The lanrwrt-
portion of this tax, viz., eightpence in the shilling, sres,„.oo.
gaged by the Woods and Forests to pay for the terefare,
ments in the Cit and port; and he thoughtwit° ther taX•
that it was incompetent for the House to interfere e ore
Mr. FORSTER said that on the 4th of this month ther
,h,
286 tons of coals in the port, which cost 7s. 6d. a tc,!;,. the
286
freight on this cargo was 7s. 9d. ; and there were oluedues
penses, to the amonnt of 2s. ; and this, with the Per,.. and
brought the cost of coals to 1/. 3s. 6d. a ton to the btlYe. :ably
on the consumer the charge, was,. of course, proportioa
heavy. -cri ad
M. STUART WORTLEY said that his Noble read
sloenvgener,yeiatrs,haavaindg
was
sen
was proposing to continue this tax for sevent ionly
thusPre previously
yg
a worse position than any . other trade in s'ies tes
coal trade
There could be no doubt if facility were given topn" tijaa P
bring commodities into the City of London, a great por
those commodities would be brought in.—( Hear') the prig.
The Earl of LINCOLN opposed the clause upon 7,oeari
ciple of justice to the creditor who had lent money L'ocle:.
cothnetinued fog
je 0
He could not understand how it could be just, havieg,4oes ~,`.
money for a certain purpose, and under certain eon"L'ould'""
attempt to reduce the security. He thought it 7.1 oohs
much better for the Honourable Member to wilit,riu Or
clause now, and in another session to introduce a v
be
bodying te clause. . $5
Mr. Blh ASTERMAN could not agree to the clans" NO
believed the tax of Bd. a ton on coals was niortgefie i/htie
full extent, and, therefore, that the House had 0°
r'
honour or justice to interfere. ,e Oote,
Mr. WAKLEY hoped this would be a lesson tO t 55 45
how it taxed the necessaries of life. This tax had befeiens°
tened on the public, and when they would get rid of t, bogie;
only knew. There was no common-sense or justice in e.t. Price
on coals going another.—( ileac, heaary.)
one price on coals coming onew and enethee-reoef
If there 1 1 ly- tbei
common sense Alembers present, he knew well which 11'
would vote.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. R. PALMER supported the clause.
_I tie
After a few words from Mr. WA WIS i.t.„ a+ de
Mr. MUN TZ protested a ainst the inequailbei stet'
of taxing the inland gconsum 600, wbile
Ms t rr .a
nS:oPerrOst
the
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easing the continental consumer in everyPwaY• O.
and the
divided, when there appeared—
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Against it ............ . ..... 1.,
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Majority against the clause . ' --
The clause was consequently lost.idea
On our admission to the gallery we found oa 0
Mr. HUME moving to strike out the clange,,,,t it ''o,
draw, .
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tinned the penny du'y. His objection to the tax vest ,'"ibe ears'
paid by the poor, who were not so much interested isocl 11'
perty it was intended to improve as the proprietors,
therefore, they ought to pay the tax
The Earl of LINt;OLN objected to the 09 °ell
Mr. FORSTER seconded the m'otion.
.hlss.eiormSr
report
.UoorbcAtsl
observations
rfrTykta,htALl
nr.sTfrou
not the imposition of a new tx, but the continunne„„eg. ,re
one that was of little or no importance to the conso"tatua'oe
u3otion• of a 0
EfacsMAceafortt.fte,rt
, of the tax; he thought it highly improper to contiiine • 0,
dio
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but p 0
taken place when our report left.
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(THIS DAY.)
1) S
HOUSE OF LOit-, •
E 1
EEw.asa vALLEir saw uttelleo'
The Committee met at eleven this morning, Isll,.biliti°
the chair. After a short discussion as to the adrei's'
ins/JO
dence as to a line not before the Committee, nt
rse
Mr. MACAULAY suggested that the most regular eo"-..a
for Mr. Calvert to object to some-particular question, 17,1 oieect,
having been raised in this manner, it could be argUthebeDj.,eolsi,
and the Committee would then give a formal vote en .d yojoo'
The CHAIRMAN observed that Mr. Calvert bed 311 t.
that he was unwilling to take an objection. If the co
unsex
cotitseO.
raise the point, the Committee had a right to do se. .0
.:000
Mr. MacauLAv said that the point would arise JO. the i,oal
the case, and that it would then be much more conveyte
the point.
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The Committee being of the same opinion, th` -
served, and the evidence was resumed. fr. iiirce
Mr. Wm. Wilson a resident at Alfredtown, and hi 010
resident at Heanor,, were then called, and gave I°c3 ,011/VIA
favour of the line. ofiv
Mr. Jessop, engineer, was then examined, and eeli° oi'
Or
prO „4, 4
evidence of Mr. Woodhouse and Mr. Bidders. The
first laid down by Mr. Rennie, in the year 193; on
nolles had laid down a similar line in 1835, but it 11,7 the c'ld'
level than Mr. Rennie's, and was, therefore, opposed 1,00,"
owners. The witness laid down the present line ill toi-e ae
and it was the same as Mr. Rennie's, except that 6°;gtor,',llo4ll
had been made at the desire of various coal-pit Prop :00w
The witness was under cross.examinationbY Dir. DI
we went to press.
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(LEFT SITTING.)
Gia.S.SGOW, EARRHEAD, AND '''''-
172,A71rLWAY. l'erd‘
The Select Committee appointed by the House jfat .h
quire into the merits of this scheme re.assembiu- fa
hour this morning, and resumed the general evidence Dee
the line.
Mr. John Williamson, an eminent mining Ogle:100,1:f ef
engaged in surveying the route of the direct line on- ,000`. °
of the Ayreshire Company, and had found that tile le 120 OP
versed by the direct line contained almost 111011141 0141/
coal and ironstone, but the route of the branch line W
dent in this respect. w rse 'Vstt"
Mr. James Gaines, an innkeeper at Barrhead, h,.0/e didn
nibus between that place and Paisley, was called to Prool
majority of the passengers going to Paisley fite,!f:
stop at Paisley, but went on to Glasgow by the rail"`":'
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(LEFT SITTING.)
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IRISH GREAT WESTE:ECAT tg 7_,7 IC‘
,
caxavAy) itraLvinoc • ~„0,1
cb-
The Committee met at eleven o'clock in the word
co
0 e
Court, Earl Bathurst in the
chair.thatthe Committee l'3‘l
The CHAIRMAN then sai
resolution of reporting the evidence which they had eore,jell,eit'l
to the House of Lords, and that they would take the ;it, o'o total
House as to whether or no they should proceed °
t. sia°
the Bill. They would be qt ite ready to hear the o
epots
the cases hi, h had been rnade out by the petitoners•ld be toe' yee°
Mr. TALBOT said he thought the better course vOn, 13, baAsii
to the House at once. He would admit that there Wig that
negligence on the part of the Company; though evetbete°,loil3
by any means clear, but he denied emphatically that lose id
thing proved against them, except want of caution. t
tro
pt
imputation whatever upon them. tire' .0 Pe
After some further discussion, the Committee-slot al
not
not announce how soon they would meet again, "'b
or in a week.

vool°
RUNCORN AND PRESTOW •-
11.A.ILIATAY. 103S-'
IMPORTANT DECIS-L— ptto-j'),rl
the Committee to whom this line was referred Itile
half.past eleven o'clock and resumed the consideration °ttio 1):$140 5
of this railway. Present, Lord Camoys, Chairman:, the:"
Leeds, the Earl of Kinnoul, the Earl of Uxbridge, d
esse ,pof LondonderryWNDE ad° ooae po
Mr. LOS, counsel for the promoters, the' to OP. to -3
Committee on the rebutting case brought forward bystataddie
it
of the Bill. The principal ground of objection 11,35.„e to
part
tt
ofit awgasratnhde
tionnteelteio,inr
yof
whichthe lairmomoncoteprosiyofwtohueldc,:.
tcia.njeo.e;l:
our' cg
the Grand Junction Railway of the traffic of thee Ilan roc
tended that that was a gratuitous assumption, eadviii:lre tPaYsclejf
and that the real ground of opposition was the ""to the I;er
the prosperity of the port of Runcorn, and Pr°l°.° tt of
Birkenhead. After referring to the various Pool -the It ores-10
and passenger traffic which had been referred to 11.hooeClb
on behalf of petitioners, he concluded a very lei?ro 01: le!
by calling on the Committee to confirm the decit°d sot t„,t.e.til
been already come to by the House of Common..
if SUeee"al prose
a°°
their sanction to an opposition which,
....I pro
retard the prosperity of the port of Runcorn,a"
rious to the welfare the . 'on ,detail!
The room was then cleareddistrict, and on our re-a" 3:: 1-
bad to Ow
The CITAIRMAN announced that the Caalnlitth,g call°
considered the merits of the proposed line, sod
conclusion that thepreamble of the Bill was WI pro
1111 g
1111
The Committee then broke up 0 0
wa,o
SOUTH WALES RAIL, Ibrillf.-‘-
co, ,r•
11.1133 712011EFORD „rds t" Vpel
The Committee appointed by the House of 1-;1-5-, cpo.r t
these Bills met this day for the first time in the 11°0f $
oft'o, iot
present-Lord Portman (chairman), the DOT Lord l'e_2°Pit
Marquis of Westminster, the Earl of Roden, anu_74,l
The promoters of both Bills were represenfc"
Ca°
Mr. Talbot, Sir T. Phillips, and Mr. Benton. the "Dle
Mr. Wilkins and Mr. Merrewether suPPortee..
Richard Bulkeley Phillips, M.P. for HaverfordwOr" The P_,'
Mr. TALBOT opened the case for the promoter.. Iwo 0;
of the Bill set out that it was proposed to Inakeeaolatl °toot'
guard and Pembroke Docks to Chepstow, in tb to If° Olt
mouth, thence to be continued by a branch railw7roblp:
He (Mr. Talbot) need not inform their aPoost'of
more important line than this had not iTs-opefartr,ct,c,
in the course of the present session. It wag
lade 0 1.,,
to observe that the railway passed through - rY, cDI.I
a ofcountry at present unoccupied by any other, ~ co ~e
had to recommend it a commercial intercourse 01 ",is css' t",,
'on Of rfor
ratter. He believed that the best introduction
e re' at c ,te
be to read to their Lordships some portions _ ode to 014
Board of Trade on the subject. That report 006_0
derable length, and it was, perimps, as well at
an their c
that it then had reference to a larger scheme th,a_"....od to P.,ter
fleetto consider. The scheme at that period celicilo`f Glotagh ;0,00
ing the whole of South Wales with the tavist,
Chepstow. But it must be borne in mind, tat tftetiolf
of that connexion was severed at to 01°41
be enabled, in the next session of rarlialDent,