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Leara against the moue of pro•L'eetli by Bill► at 1
all—a point on which he thought, consistently
with the orders and fortes of the House, they
could be heard. They should consider the extra-
ordit.!ary natt►te of the case, and not let aught of
harshness appear on the' face of the proceedings.
The Foul of LtvcaPoot. apprehended the range
allowed to the Learned Counsel would be too
wide and indefinite, if they were to speak to facts
relative not only to the defence, but to any sub-
ject they chose to enter upon. The nature of the
case, and the course of prOceeding hitherto adopt-
ed, should be considered with reference to such a
question ; brit 01)00 the points of time and mode
j of proceeding, lie was not only willing, but de-
' sirous, the Counsel should be heard.
Earl Clapy shortly explained.
The Loup CHANCELLOR repeated his opinion,
that on the occa'ion of the second reading of the
Bill the Counsel should be regularly heard re-
specting the facts and circumstances connected
with the case ; but here, iu the present stage
of the proceedings, nothing of the kind would

apply.
The IVl.arquis of T4Nsncomx conceived the
Counsel Tight !,•gult4riy be heard on the ques-
tion whether the i'utfuliy should not be in some
olher mod'e than by Bill, or for abandoning the

it►easure
The Lf,tlD CHANCELLOR shortly explained.
EtifiGlieSVENoß observed, it eves intended that
suchan application as the present should be made
before the 11111 was brought in by the Noble Earl.
The Earl of LAVPERDALE thought that Counsel
could not now be ret-ilarly heard against the
mode of proceeding by Bill; but it, on they ques-
tion of the second reading, Counsel could make
out it tvas not a proper subject of legislation, that

would prove a distinct question.
.\her some toucher discnssion upon these points,
principally between the LORD CHANCELLOR, Bail
GREY, acid Lord HOLLAND,
'llt Learned Counsel were again called up to
the liar, when
The Loun CHANCELLOR Stilted, that he was
comm4nde4 by the House •to inform them, that
they were to confine themselves in what they were
about to address to the House, to the points of

the mode of proceeding', end to the time.

Mr. BROUCAIAM then proceeded to address the Houst ;
after soincgeneral remarks upon the case as it now stood, he
should, under the circumstances, have to address their Lot&

insioca Counset ball gone beyond the line 01
argument assigned to him by the order of ale
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Lord tlout.ANo, in remarking upon the inter-
ferenee of the Rev. Prelate, observed, the Spiri-
tual Lord should have gone a little further, end
shown how the Learned Counsel had gone beyond
the line prescribed.
Mr. BROUGHAM then resumed, and pressed the general
line of argument he ivAS engaged in at some length. He re-
peated the principal wish of her Majesty, in. thus recurring
to their Lordships, was to deprecate all further delay, and to
adjure them to decide upon the Bill as expeditiously as the
forms of their Lordships' House would a(l:nit ; her principal
object bring to secure to herself that which the humblest of
the King's subjects were entitled to, namely, a full; fair, and

impartial trial.
Mr. DENMAN then addressed the House. He urged the
absolute necessity under which her Majesty was placed to re-
lieve her character at the earliest moment from the severe
imputations that had' been alleged against tier. Her Ma-
jesty required nothing at their Lordships' hands hut justice.
It was his duty to separate the question of time from that of
charge; it was a Bill of Divorce and Degradation, without a
verdict of a Jury, and without sentence pronounced in the
Ecclesiastical Court, and at the same time they were told that
the charge had been know❑ for six years. He begged
not to be understood confessing guilt on the part of
the Illustrious Lady accused, but as her Counsel he used
the argument. She called for ❑o delay; she was only
anxious to see at their Lordships' bar the witnesses that
dared to accuse her. He, as one of her Majesty's advisers,
wished to have a list of the witnesses that were to support the
accusation, and he could not conceive how it could be denied.
The charge was thought by some to amount to high treason;
if it was such, a Bill must he found by a Grand Jury, who
were obliged to be sworn in open Court, and on that oath to
inquire whether there was ground for finding a bill, and if the
bill was found, a list of witnesses w-is handed to the ac-
cused party, for the purpose of inquiring into their
characters ; but in the present proceeding that advan-
tage was denied, and he did not know but it might
be considered by his Learned Friend and himself for
it to be their duty to abandon her Majesty's de-
fence for that reason, and leave it in the hands of those
who bad brought forward the accusation. There was ano-
ther circumstance—it had come to her Majesty's knowledge
vPhu the witnesses were, and if they were 100 times as many,
all she wished for was, that she .and the public should be in-
formed of the contents of the Green Bag, as she had no fear
of what it contained, for she ',new the infamous source it

ships principally upon the point of the flint. With respect
to this consideration, it was surely a measure of the greatest
importance to her Majesty to have such a procedure so
long hanging over her bead,, as it might operate seriously
to her disadvantage; and in justice to his Illustrious
Client, the question should be decided as quickly as was
practicable. Her Majesty was ready to proceed at once
against the Report of- any Secret Committee.
desirous that the proofs should be entered upon that even-
ing, if practicable, or to-morrow—as with respect to these
alleged facts which gave rise to the preamble of a Bill, as ex-
traordinary in its nature, as it was unfounded in truth. Her
Majesty was desirous of urging their Lordships' proceeding
with the investigation instantly if possible. She had to com-

She was

to
plain that any delay would now operate most injuriously
her, and it were to be wished the second reading would be
speedily brought on for the purpose of Hinging it oat. He
sroke on this point principally from his own feelings as an
individual, and he had to implore their Lordships not to
interpret any thing be might say under the pressure of
these, in his own disfavour, or that of his Illustrious Client.
'He must deprecate their Lordships laying any stress upon
any thing t.at resulted from unfounded rumour or in-
terested misrepresentation. He trusted nothing of these
binds could operate to the prejudice of his Client in that
place, from whence equal justice should emanate to the
lowest as well as to the highest individuals in the realm.—
God grant she had never risen higher than to the humblest'
of the. King's subjects ! She would then, in such a case,
have had these benefits, allowed to the meanest—she would,
with reference to trial, have been furnished with a copy of
the indictment, a list of the witnesses, and all those other
advantages which the equal laws of England extend to all
under their protection. The evidence against her would
be examined in a Court of Justice, and she would have
the benefit of the verdict of a Jury of her country. None
of those • jurors .would have been the followers of party,
or influenced by gratitude fur favours received, or in-
fluenced by the hope of favours in expectation—bat
she would be tried by twelve honest, upright, and impar-
tial Englishmen. Such would have been the lot of his il-
lustrious client, hail her fortune been among tke humblest
—but her present very exalted station tended to destitute her
of all these fair and legal advantages. Recurring then to the
subject of time, the Learned Counsel repeated her Majesty's
wish that the shortest interval possible might elapse between
that night and the second reading of the Bill, and that in
anxious hopes of its being yet got rid of. In another view,
vornething might transpire from evidence, which might coot
pal their Lordships to act as Judges in a criminal proceeding.
Nor could-they, he thought, as yet have made up their minds
that there could he no impeachment in the case. 'the Sta-
tute of Edward 111. might nut -be acted upon, yet they might
have to consider whether any circumstance might not have
happened at Malta, Gibraltar, or some other place within the
King's dominions, that might give a new turn to the charge.
The LORD CHANCELLOR remarked, that the
I-louse had already determined upon its course of
proceeding, and the Counsel was not to stafe what
be supposed the House mould do in a possible
cotitingencv which he might imagine.
11Ir. BROUGHAM made a few observations in the way of
explaining the line of argument be was proceeding with, and
observed that " the House used to be just."
The Lola) CHANCELLOR said, time Ilouse is used
to be just, and it laid down the rule in the presen
case, in order that the Counsel should not he-un
just.

sprung from. She nut only wished for a list of the witnesses,
but she considered the contents of the Green Bagto be her's and
the public's property: The Royal Parties, however high their
stations in life were, must stand or tall as man and wife. If
any thing had fallen from him or his Learned Friend n the
course of their arguments, which, in their Lordships opi-
nion, reflected improperly on any person, he had to beg that
they would bear iii their consideration that they were Counsel
for the weaker sex. He concluded by requesting that their
Lordships would not allow delay.
The Learned CoOnsel then withdrew.
The Errl a LIVERPOOL said. that instead of
pnstponing the proceeding for '24 boors, he would
have no objection to its coming on to-morrow
mottling ; but, in his opinion, some delay was
better than precipitancy, and, according to some
arrangements which were known to them all, de-
lay might be necessary. Besides, time might be
necessary to collect the witnesses, anti the often-
dance.of the Judges would be necessary for their
Lordships to have the benefit of their opinions,
and they would be soon obliged to attend their
judicial duties in the different parts of the coun-
try : ire would, however, give notice, that he
should, on Monday next, pr. pose a day for the
second reading of th; Bill ; whether that should
be in a fortnight, or a later period, he would not
now undertake 'to say, but, it delay was neces-
sary, he would state on Monday why it was so.—
He therefore moved that their Lordships should
be summoned for that day.
Lord HOLLAND said; he was compelled to say,
after the Report of the Secret Committee, and.
a Bill being brought in grounded on it, read a
first time, anti application being made by her
Majesty at the bar, by her Counsel, that delay
should not take place, that it was impossible that
their Lordships should not proceed forthwith.
He would ask, for the benefit of the public and
the laws of the country, what the Noble and
Learned Lord on the Woolsack meant, when be
spoke of Bills of this nature ? Did be mean Bills
of Divorce coming in on petition asking for re-
lief, or did he mean a Rill of Pains and Penal-
ties ? for this was the effect of the present Bill.
In Bills of Attainder delay was not usual ; if this
was of that nature, there would be no cause for
delay,* and nothing had been stated by the Noble
Earl to skew how delay was necessat y in the
present instance, except the attendanFe- of the
Judges, and that was the only ground that he
could listen to for delay. It was their duty
to grant all the protection in their power to
the Illustrious Personage accused. if his Ma-
jesty's Ministers wanted delay, let them strew
than
ilidatirret terms. \IZ
ci"to'it:iaottarnieteldwfa?isir tf\Cerar she' vipti'lliteilmnt acite"t they thought what it
contained was not sufficient to support the amt.
wanted to collect other evidence ?
slitei(c)•loi)nsBil:lseirtel:ey lit as a Bill of Pains and Penalties,
whatever other designation might be given to it ;
and although it was an Act only called for on cer-
tain great occasions, their Lottlships ought to
know, before they allowed delay, why it was ask-
ed for, particularly after the powerful appeal that
had beers made to them at their bar that it should
be immediately proceeded in. He, for one, would
not consent to delay without the cause was ex-
Mr. BROUGHAM proceeded, and repeated her Majesty's plained, and if it was, and proper grounds shown
anxious wish that no farther delay might take place. Ile cen- for it, he was certain that their Lordships and
cured the charges against her Majesty as false and unfounded, the üblic would be satisfied.p
and farther, they were false, foul, and most malignant. tie The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he acknowledged
felt confident the House could never make itself a party in that it was a Bill of Pains anti Peualties, and not
such a case. He heard they had ordered the Attorney-Ge- strictly a Bill of Divorce, for the later was
nerai to attend ; I,tillhe could not think that any thing beyond founded on n Petition for the relief of an indivi-
public justice was aimed at. He was at present arguing upon dna), but this was a Bill to relieve the State.—
the question of terms merely.. The preamble of the Bill, IVhat he meant pry naming next Monday as the
be again insisted, presented a tissue of foul and gross day to appoint a time for the second reading of
the BM was, that he did not think the present
falsehood, because if a tenth part of it was believed, it v...uld .
came forward was the proper time for enteting into the pies-
have been the duty of the Crown Advisers to
lion. When her Majesty's Counsel were last
lung .ago.
The Bishop of EXETER here rose to order, and beard at the bar, they asked for a delay of nine
, or tell. Weeks ; then her Majesty could not .cora-