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LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 30, 1829.

STYLISH BURGLARS.

A daring burg'a.v was committed about the
beginning of last week, at Myddleton House,
Enfield, the seat of H. C. Bowles, Esq., and
property of very considerable value stolen. In-
formation was immediately given to all the po-
lice offices, and every possible endeavour used to
discover the offenders.

Watkins, the mounted patrol at Enfield, hay.
ing some suspicion of the parties concerned, was,.
of course, on the qui wive. On Monday night
last, while on his duty, he observed a very gen-
teel horse and stanhope, containing two men of
gentlemanly appearance, proceeding towards
Enfield, but to his surprise, recognized one of
them as a '' Family Man," well known to the
police. He immediately stopped them, and
without any aid beyond what a good broad
sword and a pair of loaded pistols afforded him,
insisted on searching them, which, after some
violent resistance .on their part, he effected ; and
found partly on their persons, and partly in the
vehicle, a complete set of house-breaking instru-
ments, of the newest fashion and invention, with
every convenience for packing up the)aooty,t4ley
might by these means obtain. It is not doubted
but that these are the same persons who effected
the burglary in Mr. Bowles's house ; and that,
elated by their recent succcess, they were about
to pay their unwelcome visits to some of the
neighbouring mansions, had not their progress
been so fortunately arrested.

The patrol took them, as soon as possible, to
Enfield, where a gratuitous lodging was readily
afforded them ; and it is thought the clue ob-
tained by this apprehension will enable the po-
lice to throw some light on many of the robberies
lately committed in the vicinity of the metro-
polis, as well as the above-mentioned burglary.
Much credit is due to the officer in this case.
It will be gratifying to learn, that by continued
vigilance on the part of the police in the out-
skirts of the town, they will succeed in routing
the gangs to which these stylish vagabonds and
their fraternity belong.
It is the more pleasing to observe the vigilance
of the police in the environs of the metropolis
just now, as the protection at present afforded to
the streets of London by the new police, is likely
to drive most of the bad characters out of town,
to seek their fortune among our country neigh-
bours.

ST. PETERSBURGH and DUTCH PAPERS.

ST. PETERSBURGII, OCT. 14.—An Imperial Ma-
nifesto has been published, to the effect that in con-
sequence of the honourable peace concluded with the
Ottoman Porte, his Majesty is happy to be able to
afford some relief to his faithful subjects with respect
to the furnishing recruits for the 94th levy; and
considering also the new organization that the army
will have in time of peace, he has been pleased to
order—

I. Instead of three recruits for every 500 souls,
as ordered by the manifesto of the 22d Gf August,
only two shall be furnished.

The third recruit not furnished is not to be
considered as in arrear ; but on the furnishing of
two recruits for every 500 souls, the 94th levy is to
to be considered as ended in the whole Empire.
The Tis Gazette gives an account of some fur-
ther operations of the corps of General Paskewitsoli
in Asia. Various advantages had been obtained,
and the Paella of Trebisond, who had been ap-
pointed by the Sultan to be Seraskier of Erzeroum,
assembled 30,000 men with the view of marching
against the Russians. To prevent this the Russians
made such a movement as caused the new Seraskier
to fear that he might lose Trebisond, and he accord.
ingly retired hastily to defend that city. The Rus-
sian General having obtained his object, returned to
Beihourt : the passage over the mountains was ex-
cessively difficult and dangerous.
A letter to the editor of the Tiflis Gazette, dated
the 30th of August, says—" I have to give a very
extraordinary and important piece of news. A de-
tachment of the Turkish cavalry, the Delili Baschis
and Haytis volunteers, of the province of Erzeroum,
came the day before yesterday to our camp, and
joined our standards ; they are all Turks, and the
best cavalry. They formerly had the reputation of
never surrendering. It teas interesting to see this
detachment defile before the General-in-Chief, with
two Baschis at their head. To-day they gave us
the representation of a sham fight, and excited ge-
neral admiration by their dexterity in the manage-
ment of their horses and of their swords."

Extract of a private letter from the camp before
Shumla, Sept. 22 :
" At length, my dear friend, the war is ended.
A peace, as durable as it is advantageous to Russia,
and glorious for our august Sovereign, has crowned
our efforts. This news will of course reach you in
the capital before my letter, but you will not have
htid the means of being acquainted with our last re-
lations before Shumla, with the Grand Vizier, and
the celebrated destroyer of the Janissaries, Hussein
Pacha. They appear to me so interesting, that not-
withstanding the far greater importance of political
affairs at this moment, I think them, worthy of being
communicated to you,
" From the beginning of our negociations at
Adrianople, our commander, Gen. Krassowsky, en-
deavoured to avoid a useless effusion of blood, and
to have some intercourse with the Turkish Generals
in Shumla. He had already had some interviews
with them, which led to a very good understanding,
though on both sides the cautions which prudence
required were observed. But on the Ist (13th) of
September, Hussein Pacha unexpectedly sent a flag
of truce to ask, by order of the Grand Vizier, an in-
terview with the General, who accepted the pro-
posal, and they all soon met at the place appointed
for the rendezvous.

" After some compliments, addressed to the Ge-
neral in his own name and that of the Grand Vizier,
Hussein Pacha and the Vizier's confidant, Nads-
chid Bey, who accompanied him, declared that the
object of their mission was to learn of the General,
on whose veracity the Grand Vizier had the most
perfect reliance, some particulars of the progress of
the negociations at Adrianople, RS he himself did
not receive any news of what was passing on the
other side of the Balkan. The General said he
could not give them any detailed information re-
specting the negociations, but that they were pro-
ceeding amicably with the Plenipotentiaries sent
from Constantinople by the Sultan himself,—that
in a very short time either peace would be concluded
or an army would advance towards Constantinople,
—that every thing was already prepared for this ex-
pedition,—that Enos, Visa, Lule Bourgas, and
'reborn were already occupied by our troops, whose
left wing was supported by Midia and our squadron
in the Black Sea, and the right by the squadron off
the Dardanelles and in the Archipelago. Hussein
Pacha replied, that in the present state of affairs he
fully believed those events, and did not doubt our
farther successes, and the more so, he added, as we
had vanquished the Mussulman nation and army by
our generosity still more than by our arms. He then
earnestly asked what were the. terms of peace offered

on our part, for the Grand Vizier knew nothing of
them. The General replied that he did not know
the tenour of the articles, but that the acknowledged
magnanimity of the Emperor was a sufficient pledge
that his Imperial Majesty did not desire either ti
lower the dignity or wound the honour of the Ot-
toman empire; that even in the midst of the most
active military operations tl►e Emperor had 'level
ceased to desire reconciliation and peace, and had
constantly repeated his orders to treat with the
greatest mildness the inhabitants and all individual,
►vho are concerned. Hussein Podia and Nadschid
Bey replied, that God had rewarded our ►magnani-
mity by the success of our arms, and that in our
place they should never have been capable of acting.
in the same manner. They expressed on the occa-
sion their particular gratitude for the friendly manner
in which Prince Madatoff had treated the inhabitants
in his expedition on the road to Tirnova. Hussein
then thanked the General for' the frankness and sin-
cerity which he showed in all his proceedings, and
begged him to send to the Vizier the news of the
conclusion of peace as soon as it should reach him,
The,Peneral promised this; and with respect to the
frank conduct for which Hussein had just thanked
him, said we were always obliged to act with sincerity,
-according to the principles of our august Sovereign,
all whose actions, directed by the strictest justice,
prove to the world that he does not fear publicity.
Hussein, hardly suffering the General to finish, took
his hand and said with emotion, We adore, we re-
vere your Emperor.'
" A friendly conversation, compliments, and as-
surances of particular esteem for the General fol-
lowed this discourse. Hussein Pacha complained,
smiling, that in the engagements with us he had lost
his best horses, and had no forage for the few that
remained. The General assured him that he was
ready to oblige him as far as lay in his power, and
offered to send him hay, which was gratefully ac-
cepted. Before parting the numerous suite of Hus-
sein Pacha again surrounded us; the General said he
hoped he should be able very soon to send them
word of the conclusion of peace, and this offer was
received with loud expressions of satisfaction.
" At this. interview, and at all those which have
taken place, the Turks have always shown the
greatest curiosity to see the portrait of the Emperor,
which is on the snuff-box lately given by his Impe-
rial Majesty to the General, and have always looked
at it with marks of respect.
" On the 17th of September we received the
news of the conclusion of peace. The General im-
mediately went to Shumla, to communicate it to the
Grand Vizier. It is difficult to describe the joy
which our arrival excited among the inhabitants and
the garrison : the Grand Vizier and Hussein Pacha
requesting to see the snuff-box with the Emperor's
portrait, contemplated it with the greatest veneration.
" On the 20th of September, the anniversary of
the celebrated battle in the plains of Kouilkoff, the
restoration of peace with the Porte was solemnized
by a 7'e Detain in the presence of all the troops be-
tween Shumla and our camp. After this there was
a grand parade, at which the Grand Vizier, Hussein
Pacha, and a great many Turkish officers were pre-
sent. The Grand Vizier seemed extremely sensible
to the military honours paid him; the troops having
twice defiled before him, drew up in order of battle.
The fine appearance, the perfect order, the precision
and celerity of their movements, astonished the
Turks, who confessed that such perfection exceeded
their expectations.

" The day following, the Grand Vizier and Hus-
sein Pacha having come to the camp, the General
caused the Prince of Orange's regiment of hussars,
a battalion of infantry, and a company'of horse artil-
lery, to go through the whole exercise before them.
" The truly remarkable precision of this exercise
so astonished the Turkish Generals, that they de-
clared it seemed to them like enchantment. The
Grand Vizier promised to let us see some of his
cavalry, and some battalions of his regular infantry,
but I will not delay sending my letter till that time.
" My health is perfectly good, and since the fevers
of the month of August are past, we are all, thank
God, sensibly recovering.
" It is a pleasure to see the ardour and spirit of
our troops, and the good condition of our horses. I
promise you that our corps, notwithstanding the
hardships of a two years' campaign, will not yield
in order and appearance to our comrades who have
remained in Russia."—St. Petersburgh Journals to
the 15th October.

THE HAGUE, OCT. 26.—The Minister of Fi-
nance presented to-day to the Second Chamber of
the States General six projects of law relative to
the finances. It appeared from his Excellency's
statement, that the ordinary and extraordinary ex-
penditure are estimated at 60,750,000 florins for the
ordinary, and 70,103,200 for the extraordinary ex-
penditure, or 77,853,200 in all—being 4,500,000
below former estimates.

AMSTER.DAM, OCT. I 7.—Exchange on London—One
month, 12. 20. ; two months, 12. 15.—Dutch Papers,
October 28.

BRUSSELS, OCT. 25.—The Dutch journal, pub-
lished at the Hague, says the last news from Ba-
tavia is of 30th May : information was received
there on the 24th, that M. Bezieres, Governor of
the Moluccas, had died at Macassar.

Major-General Bischeff, appointed by his Majesty
to the chief command of our army in India, was still
very indisposed, which will delay the departure of
Lieutenant-General de Kock for Europe, at least
till the arrival of the new Commissioner, General
Van den Bosch.
OcT. 27.—Prince Albert of Prussia arrived at
the Hague on Saturday evening.
_

Letters from Batavia of 20th June affirm, that
the negotiations for peace between the Colonial
Government and the natives continued, and that
there was good reason to hope they would end fa-
vourably.
CARLSRUIJE, OCT. 20.—The Duke of Bucking-
ham passed through this city a few days ago, and like-
wise Mrs. Wyse, (whose maiden name was Letitia
Buonaparte), coming from England.

The improvement lately noticed in the busi-
ness doing at our harbour st'll continues. Since last week
upwards of one hundred vessels and thirty steamers have
arrived. The greater part of these are from Ireland, and
the cargo usually consists of grain and butter. Besides
these, there are a few sloops with herrings, carrying from
100 to 400 barrels each. In the export trade two or three
vessels sre loading with manufactured goods for the Medi-
terranean, and are expected to sail in a few days.— Glas:
gow Chronicle.

THE MURDER OF HANLON.—DUBLIN,
OCT. 24.—The supposed murderers of Ilar:Loti have at
length been apprehended. Not less than twenty indi-
viduals were taken up this morning, all charged with being
concerned in the murder of THOMAS llJamon. The man-
ner in which this desirable object has been effected is, one
of the body having, contrary to the expectation of the
public, turned King's evidence.

THE RAILWAY CONTEST.—On Tuesday
last the judges appointed to report on the performances
of the locomotive carriages at Rainhill, gave in their re-
port to the Directors, and, in consequence of the opinion
expressed by them, the prize of 500/. was adjudged by the
Directors to Mr. R. STEPHENSON, of Newcastle. It has
not yet been decided whether the report of the judges shall
be published or not. We understand, however, that it ex-
presses no opinion as to the principle of Messrs. BRATII-
wArra and ERICSSON'S carriage, but merely gives a state-
ment of the respective performances of the different car-
riages.—Liverpool Times.

ESTABLISHED CHURCH IN IRELAND.

To the EDITOR of the DUBLIN EVENING MAIL.

Sir,—As my consent to the publication of the
correspondence which I have had the honour o
holding with the Earl of Mounteashel was given it
the accompanying letter, I was much surprised t:
find that it had not been sent for publication with
those which have already appeared in your paper ;
you will oblige me by inserting it now.—l am, Sir,
your obedient servant,
Palace, Ferns, Oct. 23. THOMAS FERNS.

TO THE EARL OF MOUNTCASHEL.
Palace, Ferns, Oct. 12.

My Lord,—l have to acknowledge the honour of
receiving your Lordship's letter of the Bth instant,
and shall be gratified by appearing before the public
as your Lordship's correspondent on a subject of
such importance, for the further elucidation of which
I subjoin some observations which are necessary to
its being fully understood.
Your Lordship commences by observing that; as
there was but one opinion in the mi"elitig- aelb the
doctrine of our Church, you cannot discover the
danger I forebode from its proceedings. To this I
reply, that the persons who composed the meeting
at which petitions to Parliament were framed in
1628, and the subsequent years, were perfectly a,
unity among themselves as to the doctrine, and per-
fectly confident that their doctrines were those of
the Church of England; yet their proceedings led
to the overturning of that Church Establishment,
and to all the evil consequences ►which I have stated
in my former letter.
Your Lordship .proceeds to observe that " imper-
fections have existed, and still continue to exist, in
our Church; and that the time has come for reme-
dying those abuses."
I admit that imperfections do exist, and that,
though no system administered by men will eves
be free from imperfections, yet it is nevertheless our
duty to use our best endeavours to diminish, though
we cannot hope entirely to remove them. But ►what
I contend for is, that the holding a Lay Synod is not
a proceeding likely to remedy any imperfections
which may exist, but on the contrary tends mani-
festly to reproduce all the evils which attended the
overthrow of the Church Establishment two hun-
dred years ago, and which led to all the heresies
and schisms of that fatal period, and mainly contri-
buted to the murder of the King, and to the placing
Cromwell upon the throne of England. And try
apprehensions are founded upon the perfect simi-
larity which exists between the proceedings at the
meeting in Cork, and those with which the Re-
formers in the seventeenth century, then calling
themselves friends to the Church of England, com-
menced their work.

Your Lordship claims for the Laity " the same
right of speaking upon religious subjects that Clergy-
men have on political ones."
I enter not into the question of abstract rights.
My argument is limited to this, that the mode in
which the right of speaking upon religious subjects,
to follow your Lordship's form of expression, was
exercised at the late meeting in Cork, is likely to do
much mischief, and that the statements there made
are not supported by facts.
Your Lordship proceeds to say, " that there was
little in your speech intended exclusively for Ire-
land." Permit me to observer that I did not enter
into any discussion us to the intentions of your
Lordship's speech; I only stated that, whatever
they were, the whole of the speech would be consi-
dered as limited-to Ireland, and I refer to the Eng-
lish Papers, and I might add the Irish, in proof that
my opinion was correct. The difference between
the Churches in England and in Ireland has been
strongly insisted upon, and the tone of the disaffected
Papers (I trill not abuse language by calling them
liberal, but will give them their proper name),
shows that the plan is, to found upon the proceed.
ings at Cork an attack upon the Establishment in
Ireland, in the first instance. It does not require
the skill in conducting revolutionary movements
which the parties managing those Papers possess, to
perceive that their hopes of success would be de-
stroyed by making the attack upon both Establish-
ments at once. In Ireland the declared object of
the leader of the Popish pa,ty is to put down the
Established Church. The whole strength and
subtlety of that party will be exerted to support
him in the attempt. They will endeavour to raise
up a Puritan party herein the nineteenth century, as
they did in England in the seventeenth. Your Lord-
ship is aware of the method they adopted to effect
that purpose. You are awaie that Missionaries
were sent into England, instructed to assume the
character of Puritans, who, while by exercising their
talents (gifts, as they called them in the language
of the sect in which they joined themselves) of ex-
tempore preaching and praying, they acquired influ-
ence, and artfully exercised that influence to foment
discontent against the Established Church, under
pretence of complaints against abuses, and plans of
Reform. A particular detail of their organization
is given in the letters of Bishop Brambal and of Sir
William Boswell, in "Part's Life of PrimateUssher."
Care will be taken, on the present occasion, to re-
present the case of the Establishment in Ireland as
entirely different from that in England. This re-
presentation will be supported by the Popish party
in England, by the Dissenters in that country of all
denominations, and by that too numerous class of
men who have no religion at all. What use will be
made of the proceedings at Cork is already appa-
rent. They are regarded as exclusively applicable
to Ireland. If an attempt were made to represent
them, as intended, to apply also to England, the
idea that the inhabitants of a remote part of this
country should presume to think that they were
competent to such a discussion, or of sufficient con-
sequence to make their opinions regarded, would be
scoffed at with contempt. Thus will the business
proceed till, unless PROVIDENCE opens the eyes of
those who are unconsciously co-operating with our
enemies, the Establishment of our Church in this
part of the empire shall have been broken in upon,
and then the attack in England will commence with
a prospect of success which must make the most
confident tremble.

Your Lordship next observes, that " it cannot be
denied that the practice of appointing Bishops from
political motives has existed." That Bishops have
been appointed from political motives no one denies.
But your Lordship's statement went much farther.
Your Lordship said, " that the appointment to a
Bishopric in this country was generally the result 01
political motives—of a bargain between the Mini-
ster and the person possessed of the greatest Par-
liamentary interest." In these words the practice
is represented as still continuing, and as being al-
most constant ; and against the assertion thus made
my reply was directed, and 1 am happy to find that
the statement made in that reply cannot be contro-
verted.

Your Lordship goes on to say that " the state of
Great Britain is now different from what it was
about the year 1628." Undoubtedly it is. But
the difference consists in this—that Great Britain,
and, stiil more, Ireland, is in a state infinitely more
revolutionary than in 1628. Nay, that the state of
all Europe is revolutionary. The danger, therefor!,
of attacking establishments, is much greater than it
was at that time.

I have not argued in favour of bearing evils with-
out attempting to remedy them ; but I have objected
to flying to remedies which threaten worse evils

The ;,buses which did formerly eiiioi4W(fis is
well known, under a rapid progress of correction.
The tenor of your Lordship's speech stns to prove
that they were creeping in, to use the words of ors
)( the resolutions—that is, that they are in a pro-
4:ess of inereae, and that some extraordinary mode
d'storping that progress had become necessary.
deny the prernievi and confidently assert that, ETEIt
vele it true, it should have led to a proceeding aCi
tifferent indeed from that ficlopted at Cork.
Your Lordship had it in your power to commun—
cate with the Bishops in England am; Ireland. Your
communications would have been freely and frankly
replied to. If unsatisractorily, then the liiinistet
,could not have refused to discuss the subject tetith
your Lordship. Nay, the right of demanding', ars nu.
lience of the King is amongst the privileges tvhch
your Lordship enjoys. Had no hopes appeared afta:
dl these means had been tried, then inivlit there love
been some excuse for the mode adopted by your Lords
ship—an appeal to the people ; for such, in fact, it 144
The danger attending such an appeal, apparent in its
!taxing &ready called into action the worst paasions
,f the worst classes of the commto should Orr,
vent its ever being made, except in cases of
the
most extreme necessity. And 1< cannot help Ilea
observing that mach caution appears to have been
observed by the persons. employed to give notice of
the meeting at Cork. Not a disserrOent voice %lA,
heard at it—a circumstance which fit once exeite
inspicion., I: write nit,. • however; merely npon that
suspicion. I knoiv4o, had the notice been pubi;c:,,
the resolutions .Would bastes-been oppuledf.,,a4that
with an ability against which none of your LorU,
ship's supporters would hate been able to contend.
Your Lordship observes that " the wall of parti-
tion has been pulled down by the Lords spiritual as
well as temporal." Surely your Lordship forgets
that a great majority of the Bishops in Parliament.
voted against pulling down that wall.. S'irelY Pmff
Lordship must be aware that, of the two-and-twent7
Irish Bishops, sixteen gave it all the opposition iu
their power. And surely it ought not to be for•
gotten, in a case where all the Clergy of the Esta,
blishment are concerned, that the opposition of the
Clergy both in England and Ireland • to the pelting
down that wall was little less than universal. That
topic, therefore, cannot serve your Lordship's afgo--,
ment. But, in truth, the conduct of the Bishops
and Clergy on the question alluded to ought not to
have had any influence upon proceedings such as
those of which we are treating.

With respect to unions, your Lordship olmrlf,!4
that I asked in my letter " to what good end clot
it now tend to complain of the abuse which Bishops
may have once made of their power of tinitiliz
parishes ?" And to this question, so stated,
give a very obvious answer. But allow me to
quest that your Lordship will look again at my letter,
ltul you will see that this is an imperfect statement.
of my question, the important words, " when you:.
Lordship knows that they have no longer the power
of uniting them," being omitted. To the question
,hus completed I believe that no answer can bg
g yen.
our Lordship appears to think that two piths/ice
,hould never be united, but to my observation man,*
sprivappsloirets
aacrehusrochsmnoall ra thatcle rngoyt onlyman they could ,
but
that they
did not require a separate establishment for their
spiritual aid ; of this sort are many of those it; our
unions. Witness the two parishes mentioned 1;7
the Bishop of Limerick in his speech on the lithsl
Composition Bill—both of them in the city of Cor'e,
The English Newspapers have taken up this sub,
lee, and have asserted that every parish in Ireland
is able to maintain a Clergyman, thus endeavouring
to make it be be believed that we in this country
did not suffer Church spoliation as England did.
But your Lordship cannot but be aware that the
tithes in lay hands in Ireland are equal to one-half of
the tithes which remain with the Clergy. This is
indeed. notorious. If proof were called for, we !nst-.
it in Mr. Foster's evidence before the Committee
the State of Ireland four or five years ago. Your
Lordship is also aware that the glebes of more than
one-half of "the parishes of Ireland have shared
the fate of those tithes that have become impro-
priate, and f 4.-11 into the hands of laymen
for it must be known to your Lordship that
every parish had a glebe allotted to it at its
original establishment, and the documents LO
which you have it in your power to refer
prove that not one-half of the parishes now have
them. The want of churches and of resident Clergy-
men has been met by its proper remedy; and since
the Union 500 churches have been built, 51 are new
building, and 99 have been enlarged; and within
the same period 519 glebe•hothies have been built, and
27 are nom building. Nor has it been for want of
exertion on the part of the Bishops or the Clergy
that the number has not been much greater, but
from want of funds, no grant having been made by
Parliament to the Board of First Fruits for some
years, which has so impeded the progress of those
desirable objects, that not one-tenth of the applies-
tiona which have been made within that period could
be complied with.
As to the Act relative to Curates' salaries, to
which your Lordship objects as being insufficient,
because some Hectors still do not pay full salaries to
their Curates, I beg leave to remark, that no law
can be framed that would afford a stronger sanction
or give more effectual protection to Curates than
that which makes void, as the present Act does, ell
bargains in evasion of the salaries to which it en-
titles them. The Curate brings his nomination to
the Bishop, in which his salary is stated. If he does
that, knowing the statement to be Use, what pos-
sible advantage could arise from a repeated inquiry
into its truth ?—None surely, but, on the contrary,
the evil of throwing a suspicion upon the conduct of
the whole body of the Clergy. If the individual
who, after producing such a document, submits to
receive a smaller salary than he had acknowledged
was granted to him, were asked whether iii produc•
ing that document he had deceived the Bishop, is it
to be supposed that he would hesitate at repeating
the deception ? The law provides the Curate with
complete protection. If he will not use it, where
can a remedy be found to protect him from himself?
With respect to clerical incomes, I stated that
" they were designed to induce men to enter into
the Church with the hope that it will afford them a
maintenance, and eventually a competence, or even
affluence." And your Lordship asks, " are thcsm
the motives that ought to induce men to take holy
orders ?"

I really did not think it possible that your Lord-
ship could have thus mis-stated what I said. You
have omitted an entire sentence, immediately follow•
ing the words you have quoted. It runs thus:—:
" Viewed in this light, and setting aside all higher
motives for adopting the professson, as being per-
fectly unconnected with the seCular interest now
under consideration." These wordi contain a coni
plete answer to your Lordship's question above
stated, and it might have been expected that they
would have prevented such a question—l will refrain
from giving it any epithet—from being asked. Nor
had I a doubt that, when your Lordship's attention
was turned to the subject, you would at once have
seen that secular inducements were intended to
operate upon others besides the individuals actually%
engaged in the clerical profession. That they were
Accessary to induce parents to go to the expense of
giving
qualify ify toth
etheir ch
ildren
duties
such
of an education
the
Ministry. as
If f •
such
inducements did not exist, where should we find
persons duly qualified ?
With respect to Bishops running their lives
against leases, in order to benefit their families, the
question has been fully discussed in the Bishop of
Limerick's speech already referred to; and Mr. Fos-
ter has stated, in the evidence which I have had or,
casion to quote, that the Bishop would, under the
present laws, be a loser by the attempt. That
in-
s'ancets m ty have.ocenrred formerly h do not dot.bt,

though they must have been rare, as no Bishop coul!
live upon the rents of his estate.
The project of forfeiting the reversionary interest
of the Bishops' tenants—an interest, the value of
which must be obvious, from the wtoriety of their
being allowed eight per cent. compound interest on
their fines, and those fines calculated upon modera:e
valuations—would be such an invasion of private
property as I can designate by no other mane than
that I gave it in my former letter.
Your Lordship states that " I have one grand
object before my eyes, what -vas most for the inte-
rest of a favoured portion of the Clergy, while you
were looking to the spiritual wtnts of the people."
My Lord, I call upon you to point out the part
of my letter Igloo which you found this monstrous
charge. I demnnd it. There is no pact of that let-
ter which hes any connection with the subject, ex-
cept that which relates to the incomes of the Clergy;
and on referring to my letter your Lort'ship will
find that I view those incomes only as they may he
tbe means of inducing a class of pertoos to enter
into orders who are educa'ed urn, and, as such, cal-
culated to be useful Ministers in the Cio-Th. I
argue against an equal. distiihution of those incomes
only on the groutot of its tendency to dimiohsh the
number of weik-oalified Minister.
What is there in this that can support the accu-
sation made against me of considering only the
Clergy, and disregarditor their congregations
What but the spiritual wants of the people am I
considering, when providing that the Clergy shall be
duly qualified ?

Your Lordshir States that the number of Clergy-
men is inadequate, and you form your caleul.,!ion
upon the wants of a population of 7,000,000. Let
me ask, would your Lordship think it useful at this
moment to have Clergymen in Ireland, as numerous
as will be wanted when the whole population is Pro-
testant ? Surely that would not be a,leantageou,,
even were it possible.
It seems to me cigar, that the object to be kept
in view is to inert :no the number of Clergymen and
the number er Churches, so as fu:iy to supply the
wants ef the congregations we tau collect, and to
meet tircry increase that may be added to our coa-
grefri.tions as quickly as it arises.
This course has been pursued, since the Urion,
with as much speed as our means afforded, and Pao•
VIDENCE will) I trust, ere long, enlarge our means to
what they were till the assistance of Parliament was
withbel,l. In obtaining a renewal of that assistance
we thigh t have been aided by the laity with decisive
effect; but they have thought fit, under your Lord-
ship's guidance, to pursue a different course.
A considerable number of churches is wanted, as
is evident from the number of applications for aid
wh:ch vow lie before the Board of First Fruits; and
that want shows that Clergymen also are wanted,
and, therefore, I agree with your Lordship that the
number of Clergymen is inadequate, but I diffe:•
widely indeed as to the extent of that want.
Of that inadequacy your Lordship cites the igno-
rance of the lower order of Protestants, and the in-
crease of Crime, as proofs. That crime has increased
among the Protestants in Ireland I certainly enter-
tain very strong doubts. Looking to the number of
criminals executed that are Protestants, I more than
doubt—l disbelieve.

That ignorance amongst the lower order of Pro-
testant; has diminishcd during the period to which
I have so often referred—the time elapsed since the
'Union, and that in a degree greater than could have
been expected—l am perfectly certain. I shall con-
fine myself tl one proof, as being connected with the
exertions of the Clergy. The number of schools
under the Association, which is particularly under
their Ilireetion, that for discountenancing vice, and
promoting, the knowledge and practice of the Ihris-
tian religion, has increased from three to upwards of
300; and the number of children attending cate-
chetical examinations, which, your Lordship will
please to observe, are not limited to the catechism
and its explanations, but extend to a very large pro-
portion of the Holy Scriptures, has increased from
a few hontireds to near 30,000.
reply to my observation upon your Lordship's
Living called the Clergy " griping and covetous,"
you say that you " only made the charge against
the woil(4-minded." The words to which I re-
ferred were, " that the Clergy were, in general, too
griping ai.d covetous." This was a very compre-
hensive charge. Indeed, a more .comprehensive
charge could not he made, unless it were stated that
they were so without any exception. I turlerstood
it P., a general charge, and to it, as such, I replied
by referring to the very low proportion which the
sums compounded for under the late acts bear to
the real value of the tithes.
Your Lordship argues " that the amount of the
composition is no proof of the moderation of the
Clergy, for they got as much as they could," now I
beg your Lordship to consider that the limit of what
they could get—and it is notorious that scarcely in
any :list:trice did the composition reach the limit—
waa OW amount of what they had been in the habit
of getting f. r the preceding seven years—a very
good measure of what had always been their habit,
that is, iho accepting- much less than one-half, gene-
rally tine.; bi;.(l, of ‘vhat they were legally entitled
to ; aid from that Net I argued that they were not
griping not eo‘otous.

1 our
Lordsliip has supplied me with another fact,
from Wen f tnake the t•amc inference, " that you
nem. heard them complain of the composition they
had made." That is, though they knew that they
had not got nearly the one-half of what was really
the value of their property, they yet did not com-
plain. What better proof could be had that they
were not griping and covetous ?
But your Lord-hip " has heard the parishioners
complain bitterly." Did they assert that they had
paid more than the real amount of their tithes ? If
they did nqt, as most certainly was the ca,e, how
were their complaints evidence that the Clery were
avaricious ?

With respect to there " having been various pe-
titions to both Houses of Parliament" against Cler-
gymen, for immoral conduct, your Lordship says
that you spoke of the Clergy of England and Ire-
land collectively. Certainly you did, but this col-
lective charge included Ireland, and authorised me
to ad: the question I did as to Ireland ; and your
Lordship ha ring stated that you knew of" various
petifons" to both Houses of Parliament upon the
subject, I confidently asked what instances of the
kind could be produced with respect to Irish Cler-
gymen; and I am
.happy to find that I was not too
confident, for it appears by your Lordship', letter
that there were no such instances. Had I extended
my enquiries to England, the " various petitions"
ould, I believe, have been reduced to one—the
rotorious case of an individual who has been de-
prived by the Ecclesiastical Court.
General statements of criminal conduct are easily
made, and that particular instances might be produced
in a body consisting of upwards of *12,000 (for to that
number the collective Clergy of England anti Ireland
amount), can hardly be doubted. But such are ex-
ceptions, rare exceptions, to the almost universal cor-
rectness of moral conduct among the Clergy.
My observations with respect to the Evoning
Post amounted to this—that, having viewed the Cork
Meeting as dangerous to the Establishment, I was
confirmed in that view by the satisfaction expressed
in that Paper, long the leading Journal of Popery, at
its having been held. The enemies of the Establish-
ment, both in England and Ireland, have continued
to echo the sentiments of the Evening Post, and by
so doing have confirmed my original fears—that con-
sequences far from your Lordship's inteations are but
too likely to follow from what was done at that
Meeting.
I have already apologised for the freedom of lan-
guage which I have used in this discussion, and beg
that your Lordship will excuse what. has occurred in
this letter that may be considered as going too near
the limits of justifiable iraffr,o-hcc.--I have the ho-
nour to be, your Lordship's most obedient servant,
THOMAS FERNS.

The Duke of WELLINGTON return to town
yesterday morning from Histkid, Hurts.

LONDON,
FRIDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 30, 1829.

We have heard it reported that the East
India Company have sent off despatches yester-
day by three separate messengers, who are to
take different routes, and to proceed to India
with all possible despatch. The nature of the
despatches did not of course transpire, but they
are supposed with reasonable probability to refer
to the excited temper manifested by the army in
consequence of the late obnoxious regulations.

The French Papers of Wednesday have been
received. -The hard conditions of the treaty of
peace seem to form a principal theme for their
contemplation and remark. Much is expected
from the mission of Ilium PACHA to St.
Petersburgh, but we think he will be disap•
pointed, unless the remonst-ances of the English
and French Governments induce the EMPEROR
to relax in his demandS. The idea entertained
by the PORTE, that France and England would
buy off the Russian demands, is not more ridi-
culous than it would prove impolitic. If the
indemnity were paid off by England and France,
it would only be enabling Russia to return to
the charge with renewed means of aggression,
which is just the very thing that Russia wants.
In fact, the policy of Russia throughout the
s‘ hole business has been most masterly, for what
with mock professions of moderation, military
enterprise, and official deceit, she has completely
overreached every Government.in Europe that
placed any faith in the integrity of her intentions.
At an earlier period of the war—or even before
the war was commenced—English remonstrance,
backed by English demonstration in the proper
quarter, might have averted the catastrophe
which we may now lament, but cannot undo.
That much is •to be ascribed to the barbarous
obstinacy of the Turks, cannot be denied, but
as much is at least ascribAle to the hesitation or
forbearance of more enlightened politicians.

(From the Illessager des Chambres of Wednesday.)
(SECOND EDITION.)

PERA, sEr•r. 26.

Though the peace is ratified, it is evident that the
Porte will find it difficult to pay the indemnities promised
to Russia, and a question arises whether the great powers
will advance money to the Porte, or whether the Russian
troops win occupy the provinces till all the expences of the
war are paid? In the latter case, it would be long before
the Sultan would recover his authority in those provinces,
and would besides be deprived of his best resources. In
the other case, the European powers who made the ad-.
v.lnces must dispense with all formal security, and con-
sider them rather as a free gift than as a loan, which
mould be very difficult fur the English and French Go-
vernments, on account of the responsibility of their Mini-
sters. The Reis Effendi has long since given the Eng-
lish and French Plenipotentiaries to understand that the
Porte depended upon their Governments, and on their
pecuniary assistance ; but the answers of the Plenipoten-
tiaries on this subject have never been satisfactory. Under
these circumstances it is not probable that the peace will
restore to the Porte the prosperity which some persons
hold out to it. On the contrary, its situation will be
more critical than ever, and the burthens of the country
will progressively increase.
The mission of HAI Pacha seems to hold out some
hopes of salvation, its object being to prove to the Empe-
ror of Russia that it is impossible for the Porte to pay the
contributions. Great reliance is placed on the generosity of
the Emperor, and it is hoped that he will renounce the in-
demnity of 10 millions of ducats, and that be will order the
evacuation of the Turkish territory next spring. Gen. Muf-
fling has given every body here such a high opinion of
the Emperor of Russia that nobody doubts the success of
Ilalil Pacha's mission. Among other presents which the
Sultan sends to St. Petersburgh by that Ambassador, are,
a cloak of crniire, with an agraffe of diamonds for the
Emperor, and the Turkish shawls adorned with pearls and
brilliants for the Empress.—Augsburg Gazette.
PARIS STOCK EXCHANGE, OCT. 28.—Five per Cents.,
108 f. 40c. 35c. 40c. ; Three per Cents, 82f. 70c. 65c.
70c. ; Rentes de Naples 90f. 35c. 40c. 33c. 50c. 45c. ;
Royal Spanish Loan, 77 ; Rente Perp. d'Espagne, 54
53a- ; Haytian Loan, 3171. 50c. Exchange
on London, one month, 25f. 65c. ; three months, 25f. 50c.
(From the Allgemcine Zeitung of Oct. 24.)
VIENNA, OCT. 19.--Metalliques, 1031 ; Bank Shares,
1223 1239.

An article from Berlin, in the Allgemeine
Zeitung, gives a deplorable picture of the state
of affairs in Turkey, and is evidently aggravated

in order to make the prolonged stay of the Rus-
sians more indispensable. Such scenes as are
here detailed, present themselves more or less in
all countries overrun by an invading army :

BERLIN, OCT. 16.

The present state of Turkey is represented by eye wit-
nesses as most melancholy, so as in fact to claim pity.
It has l:een confirmed, that in Ru [Lelia also the greater part
of the population consists of Christians, who call them-
selves sometimes Armenians, sometimes Bulgarians. All
these believed nothing less than that Russia was carrying
on time war for the sake of conquest, and would take. them

und,r its trotection, witich ist.be more p ationalde, as they.
were not acquainted with the Russian declaration of war
The population therefore, even of Adrianople, openly ex-
pressed their joy with tire appearance of the Russians,
whem they considered as their deliverers. The Russians
will withdraw ; the people will fall again under the domi-
nion of the Sultan, who will hardly fail to exercise the
most dreadful vengeance. It was hardly ventured to ac-
quaint the people with the melancholy necessity of the re-
treat of the Russians. Already in their fears they see scar-
f dds crected in Adrianople, and the Sultan fix his head-
quarters there. Whether these appearances will be
re :zed to their full extent, remains to be seen.
Some confidence is placed in Russia, which has come for-
ward as the kind protector of the distressed ; and it is
hoped that it will strictly enforce the stipulations in favour
of the Christian population. The ruin of the Turkish
army, we may say—the dissolution of the Turkish empire,
:s without parallel. The regular trocms threw away their
:trans in whole bodies; the generosity and humanity of the
Russian General had conquered them more than the bravery
and the perseverance of his soldiers: The irregular troops
fled with their arms (their most valuable property) as far
as they were able, and positively declared they would fight
no mere. Abdurrhaman Paelia, a native of Erzerouni,
whose wife and his whole harem in that city were taken
prisoners by the Russians, had commanded the Turkish
cavalry of the right wing ; when he reached Araba
en his retreat, he had wit]; him 500 or 600 men on
tried horses, who refused to tight against the Russians.
Near Constantinople a body of about 25,000 fugitives had
assembled,whom the Sultan did not venture to admit into the
city, only a fewhattalions of regular infantry, that had not yet
seen the enemy, found a stable point in this miss of con-
fusion. In the villages and towns, the women who are
otherwise confined in their houses, were seen running with
cries of terror about the streets, to save and secure their
children ; a consternation had seized the Turks, which
made those who witnessed shudder. The accounts from
the head-quarters of Genet& D:ebitsch (now raised to the
dignity of Field-marshal) arc more pleasing. There was
abundance of every thing supplied by the inhabitants. The
Count has had Te Dents performed in the principal
Greek church, and a thing unheard of in the annals of
Turkey, he and his Staff have trodden with their Chris-
tian fret the pavement of the celebrated great mosque.
The Turkish priests voluntari:y opened to him tke doors
of their holy temple of Murad. Much praise is bestowed
on the discipline of the Russian army, and the polished
manners cf the officers. Even the Cossacks have become
witch more civilized since the great war against France,
and there are few instances in the present campaisn of their
having committed any cruel excesses, but many anecdotes
are related of their simple honesty.

The following has been received this morning
from our Paris Correspondent :

" PARIS, OCT. 28.

" The negociation of a new loan by the Aus-
trian Government, at the moment when they find
themselves able to afford the reduction of seve-
ral important branches of the public revenue, has
given rise in Paris to a variety of speculations
on the probability of a renewal of hostilities in
Europe. As yet, however, they have not as-
sumed any very distinct or intelligible form ; but
every thing at all calculated to favour the idea is
eagerly seized on, and forced into the service.
It is said, for instance, in letters from Ancona
of the 11th instant, that there is still a very ac-
tive interchange of couriers between London
and Corfu ; and this is urged as an additional
ground of apprehension. Two such couriers
had left Ancona during the preceding week with
despatches for the Lord High Commissioner,
and on these and other grounds, perhaps not
more worthy of attention, it is generally believed
that preparations are making for some important
event, which is materially to affect the future
destinies of Greece, on which it is now believed
that England has fixed its attention. The gar-
risons of the lonian Islands arc said to be con-
stantly receiving reinforcemews, and 4,000 fresh
troops had arrived at Malta within two weeks of
the date of the letters from Ancona.
" In the meantime the Government of France
appears to have lost all its Philhellenic predilec-
tions. A loan for the Greek Republic is at
present proposed on the exchange of Paris, but
such is the urgent necessity for an immediate
supply, that a deputation of the friends of Greece,
with Mr. Eynard at its head, has lately arrived
in Paris, for the double purpose of negociating
the loan and of interceding with the French
Government for a temporary supply of a few
hundred thousand francs, until the loan itself
can be arranged on satisfactory and advantageous
terms. The support of the cause of Greece is
decidedly a favourite object with the French
people, and the refusal of this temporary accom-
modation, at a moment when the supply was so
necessary to the Greek cause, has excited a new
feeling of hostility against the present Cabinet,
which will of course be kept alive for some time
to come by the restless conductors of the Libe-
ral Press. A long letter on the subject has ap-
peared in the Journal des Debats of this morn-
ing, bearing the signature of M. Alexandre de
Laborde, one of the Deputies for the depart-
ment of the Seine, of which the following is an
abstract :

" Ist. That the Greek Government has applied
" to the French Ministry for an immediate and last
" assistance, on the footing that all the branches of
" the Government were about to be stopped for
" want of money, and that the internal and exter-
" nal enemies of Greece would avail themselves of
" the consequent disorder to compromise their happy
" deliverance.

2d. That notwithstanding the reiterated prayers
" of the deputation, the necessary funds were abso-
" lutely and definitively refused by the Council on
" Sunday or Monday last.
" 3d. That one of the deputation fearing that
" the necessary amount would not be obtained, bad
" himself proposed to the French Government to
" advance the one-half of the sum required, pro-
" vidvd the French Government would advance the
" other; but this generous proposal bad also been
" rejected, and it had been finally decided to give
" nothing.

" 4rh. That Mr. Eynard had in consequence de-
" termincd to make the whole advances now re-
" quired by Greece from his own funds, and had
" restricted himself to a request for a King's ship
" to carry it.

" The fate of this last proposal is, I believe,
not yet ascertained, but it is clear that the letter
of M. de Laborde is in the nature of au appeal
from the resolution of the Ministry to the gene-
ral feelings of the French people.
" The rumours so often repeated of changes
in the French Cabinet have lately acquired some
accession of credit, in consequence of the return
of the Count de la Ferronays from Florence to
Paris, although so lately appointed as the suc-
cessor of M. de Chateaubriand in the Embassy
to Rome. 'M. de Rayneval also, in place of pro-
ceeding immediately from Berne to Vienna, has
just returned to Paris, and has thus given greater
currency to several of the reports in circulation.
That which has obtained the most general belief,
is the accession of Count. Roy and the Count.