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London, England, 1818-05-15 00:00:00

CHIMNEY-SWEEPERS' REGULATION BILL.

Lord AUCKLAND accompanied his motion,
" hat this Bill be read, a third time that day six
mouths," with -a variety of observations. The
Noble Lord stated his -opinion, that all that had
appeared in evidence and on inquiry, dernonstrat7
ed the necessity of some-legislative regulation to-
wards the relief of those unhappy objects whom
the measure principally respected. But though be
was convinced that effectual remedial substitutes
may be produced, almost without any inconve-
ni,ence, and at a very trifling expence,yet, from
the nature of the opposition experienced by the
measure, and the very late period of the Sest•ion,
be despaired of being able to bring for Ward shy,
modified 'measure which could go at all to the ge-
neral and salutary regulation its supporters 1104 in
view. Prospectively, however, particularly from
the, resu't of those numerous experiments made at
time instance ut the Surveyor-General, he was led
to augur more favourably of the success of a ge-
neral and efficient Bill on a 'mute day. No less
number than sixty experiments bad been tried
upon the moo difficult chiMneys, and not one
failed. Upon the-whole, therefore, be was in-
duced, however dissonant to his feelings, to move
for a postponement of the measure, pledging him-
self to bring forward its considerwion early in
the next Session of Parliament. -.Tile Noble Lard
conclUded by fortmdli moving as above, which
was ordered accordingly.

INTENDED MARRIAGE OF THE DUKE OF KENT.

The Order of the Day for taking the Prince
Regent's Mesiage of yesterday into consideta:iott
being read,

The Earl of LIVERPOOL . rose to move a car..'
responding Address to his Royal Highness on the
occasion. He did not feel it -necesssary in the
present ;instance to take np their Lordships' time,.
but begged leave to call to the recollection of the
House what, he had stated nit a former occasion,-
on a topic nearly similar. Their -Lordships were
also aware of what had then occurred in another
place. He had, however, no difficulty in stating,
that at present it was proposed, under the circum-
stances of the case, regartl being bad to the ex-
pressed opioitin of Pat liament, that the same ar-
-rangement should be adop.ed with regard to the
Illustri ,us Personage who w-as the imuvediate sub-
ject of the present proceeding as had been adopt-
ed' and sanctioned by Parliament in the case of
his Royal highness the Duke of Cambriege. The
Noble Earl then moved a corresponding. Address
to the Prince Regent, assuring him of the cor-
dial concurrence of the house in measures to
citable his Royal Highness to make a proper and
suitable provision for the important'* occasion
communicated in his gracious Message.
• The Marquis of L%-mrpowtae rose to express his
cordial assent to the motion ; and, at the same
.time, to advert briefly to some considerations
which he thought not unconnected with the Par-
ticular case before- them. The 'lllustrious Per-
sonage in question, he observed, bad long been
placed in a state of some embarrassment ; and
which was chiefly to be attributed to the circurn-
statiee of the Parliamentary provision having been
made!for him considerably later in point of time
than most of the other Illustrious Personages so
nearly allied to him ; the incur ring of some
amount of debt was an nnavoidable consequence,
and the arrangements made by the Illustrious
~ • ,
Personage with respect to the liqiquation tnereof
was a consideration highly to his honour. lie did
nut suggest these circumstances with any view to
an alteration_ with respect- to the proposed ar•
rangetnent in the case Of the Illusttious Personage
in question ; but he thought, in candour, that the
came which led to hisembatrassedsitoation should
be made known. •

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The Adthess was then unanimously voted by
their Lordships.

CORRESPONDENCE Wlll-I RESPECT TO ALIENS.

LOrd'HOLLAND rose toinake his promised *llO-
- MI this subject, which lie prefaced with a
speech of some length. The Noble Lord con-
tended that the documents he was about to move
for were necessary to a due understanding of -the
subject on the. part of their Lordships, and chiefly
for the purpose of their knowing upon whom, and
in what way, the Alien Act, and the system, con-
nected with it, operated. The Noble Earl oppo
site, on a former night, stated that the IlienSW e
proposed'solely on British grounds and for
British interests. But lie could not avoid think-
ing that the pending measure had a most impor-
tant reference to the internal state of France, and

. ,
the views .of the French Government, is Well as
those of 'Certain other Powers in Europe. He
Must deptetate any depatture from the -ancient
principles -of British treetlom and the Constitu-
, iu favour of any torei4n objects, whatever ;
and he was averse to withholding in Britain the
iights of
_national hospitality or protection fruit'',
the unhappy persecuted victims of the French g 0..,
vernment, or of any arbitrary Power on the Con-
tinent. A very different spirit actuated the United
Provinces in the best days of their independence
and freedom.. Their territory was Otien for the
retreat of all such persons ; a principle approved.
by that great political writer,
,Sir William Tem-
ple ; and the practice he extolled was most point-7
edly exemplified in their reception of the great.
Lord Shafte)tury, notwithstanding his reiterated
phillipics Aghinst Holland, which he generally
concluded she pointed quota' Delendo
• est Carthago!" The information he required was
essentially necessary to skew the general nature
of tile subject on which they were about to legis-
it) a' re-enactment of the Alien Bill, and.the
real grounds and objects of his Majesty's Govern-
ment in thus bringing it forward. The Noble
Lord conchided by moving " For EXtraCts or
Copies of all Cot respondence since the.2oth Nu
ember, 1815, between any of his Majesty's Prin-
cipal Secretaries of State and the British Minis-
ters abroad, and the Ministers of forei'tt States,
relative to Aliens ; and also for the same taking
place.between his Majesty's• Principal Secretary
of State for Foreign Affairs, and the British
nister in the Netherlands, relarive' to passports
vaiited or refused 'to iucticitluals respectivdy, not
bring natives of the United Kiagdum, or of the
Netherlands." •

The Earl of LlYEaroOt, rose, and observed that
the measure to: which the Noble Lord refe; red,
prticeeded, as he had already stated,flokly on Bri-
tish grounds, and for British objects, and which,
when the subject should come regularly before
their Lordships, he could satisfactorily demon-
smite. The number of French individuals sent
out of the country since the last passing of the
Alien Act not :exceed three, and .that did
not take place in consequence of an appli-
cation from any foreign Government what-
ever, which so far • precluded an . inference that
the Act was .passed in consequence of coma
munications.with any Foreign Powers. tie had,:
Ito difficulty in saying, that in the present state
of the world, it was esst ntially necessary the Ex-
ecutive Government of this country should be em-
powered to expel from its bosom any obnoxious
or dangerous individuals-who might harbour there.
It should be_a principle of the internal policy of
this country. And it was not from any thing that
ever yet took plaCe that honest of unotientling in-
dividuals'woidd be deteriorated ,or_ outraged by it •
---,it was solely against murderers, villains, ortrli-
torous agitators, .that such a.salutary and &living
;power would be dirccted. Such a procedure could
not be regarded as a falling off from national hos-
pitality, or inconsistent with the principles of ge-
ntiine Biitish. freedom. -.After'ably discussing and
successfully rxfoting the various topics and argil-,
mews used by the Noble Baron, and again con-
tending for the necessity, under the circumstances,
of vesting the power about to be required in the
Executive Government of this country, the Noble
Earl said he felt it his duty to offer a negative to
the motion.

Tl►e L-►►l of CAB A RYON made a few observa—
tions in suhl►uri of it, and Lord HOLLAND snortly
explained n hen the question being put, the, mo-
tion was negatived witlioutp
The Bills upon the table were then severally
read, and the House adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

WATER COMPANIEs.

Sir J. CR:OAM presented a Petition from cer-
tain inhabitants of the parish of Marylebone,
against the Bill for creating a New Water Com-
pany for that parish. He strongly objected to
the.measure,.and hoped the Bill would be with-
drawn.

Mr. PormitAN said, that he had reAson to be-
lieve that the Bill would be withttrawn during the
present Session.
Mr. P. MOORE also objected to the measure, as
a parochial job..
General THORNT-ON thought that some measure
was necessary to protect the public against the
rapacity of Water Companies, who; now required
7 percent. more than before, and sometimes com-
pelled new tenants to pay the arrears due to them
by the old ones, before they would supply them
with water.

.After a fe(v words from Mr. HARVEY, the Peti-
tion was read and laid on the table.,

Sir J. GRAHAM then presented two Petitions
front the Company of Proprietots of the %Vest
Middlesex and ChelSea.Water-works, to the same
effe'et.—Laid on the table. .

Mr. Mutinay presented a Petition from the
Cotton-manufacturers of Derby, praying against
any additional duty on the importation of CottOn
Wool.—Laid on the table.

Mr. PEEL presented an Estimate of the Ex-
penees of building Glebe-houses in Ireland.—
Laid on the table, and ordered to be Printed.

Mr. MILNR presented a Petition from the Sena-
tes Academicns of the College of Aherdeen,vay-.
in that no alteration way he !pane in the'Copy-
right Act.—Laid on the table.

WILLIAM COI3BETT'S PETITION.
Lord COCHRANB said, that he had a petition to
present relative to t w o Individuals lately exiled to
America, in consequence of the acts of spies in
this country.: It was attended with affidavits
sworn before. the Mayor of Philadelphia, and
signed, the one William Stevens, and the other
Charles Kendal. Theie documents stated such
facts relative to Oliver and Iris. machinations, that
he (Lord C.') trusted his Majesty's Ministers would
not object to his moving for the appointment of a
Committee of Ingnity. The. petition was front a
Pablic Writer, who had left England under the
late. SaspensiOn of the Habeas Corpus Act, and
with a conviction that Government intended to
institute a kind of Censorshp over the Press. He
then moved that the petition he brought up.
The SPPAKER stated, that. the House could re-
ceive the petition, but not the affidavits which
were aunexed-to.it.'

'The petition was then.brought up : it was, .
b a t of William Cobbett, of Bottley, in England, and now

ginerally Vesidirg MA: I ' sland in *Crigit
•America. It expressed the gr6teSt respect and
ioit
fOr the House, whiet fipproached with unfeigned inb",ie
as the sanctuary of the laws.'
,It then referred to the ea,yl,
merit of spies, and't he syStem of cOrrUptiln and Periliti.,
it occasioned, and stated that he. had i-net at Philadelpll.o,ol,
two British Subjects, Wilttrltu Stevens and
who bad imparted to him Mani facts respecting the c°„'..A
of Oliver; that those facts and the 'documents on, go
IN were founded, had been sworn to before the 3'3'04
the place, and laid before the British Consul, mid that do
were contained in the annexed affidavits It then 'ate
b4rles
the trial of Brandreth and his acconiplie.es—cast a" risisPa
lion on their legal defender, and declared that the Pe- 1554-A
of an intended revolution was attempted to be selea-,,-'
the view to create a supervision of the Press. It the" rerrio"'
that the House would take all those matters iota its ,
be
consideiation.
Lord COCHRANS moved that . the Vctit'°°
laid on the table. :„„ ill
Mr. BATHURST objected to thil mot,••
• h co
Petition; being grounded on affidavits attic
not be received, rested on nothing withnul t ins
It also cast a most unjust libel on en cosine°
sod
dividnal (Mr. Cross, Brandreth's Contiel) red
the whole Administration of this contstrYt„ils dad
of stating any grievances affecting the in°";'lleii.e
who bad made the affidavits. Either the sable
vits most be put in such a shape as woni" ‘lO-111'
the House to teceive them, or the Nobler et
if he persisted its his present motion, must
that it should be resisted. t cfr
Lote RANE consented to witbdraW
-IC •
titiow, on the ground of informality. fare
Mr.:WYNNE asked whether it would be e"
on the Journals of the House ) tat.
The Srec,Ken said that a short notice°, 1,011
•be taken, as it must be entered on the 41°,,iit
that it had been withdrawn with •the 011— ,
the whole [louse. -ntiti4;
Mr. WtNNe would have objected in
at large a petition containing such charges ‘''',lio;
individuals who had no opportunity of dete:o.
themselVes.—"the petition was then witbilje
tub 0
illti-riSH MUSEUM.
Mr. BAsittes presented a yetition-111),„111 4 t
Trustees of the British :Nltiseuni, comply at
the inadequacy of their fimds to the s"PP-
the Estahlishmenr.—Laid on the table.
Mr. BANKRS then moved for an Accottgoe",,
Income and EXpenditure of the British-70Y.
in 1817,. of the charges for 1818, and of td-nter
necessary to cover them, and of the noniher„.
tal
sons who bad visited that establishment for
last seven years. lie took this opPurtilliscisit
stating that the number of visitors during t'-„
t n,''elve months was 50,000, ,s‘ lieu w3s
crease of 10,000 over the preceding Yeurs
motion was then agreed to, - )
SCOTCH COMMISSIONERS. woe.
Lord A. HAMILTON, prursuant to notice, „lII'
that an humbleAddiess should be preseWe:lit'
Royal Highness the Prince Reuent, tltc
he would be pleased to order to he lain he'l-,ice
!louse a.copy of any letter, or the aubs":!rb:
any communication, that tnight have been cy-11,0if:
the Commissioners for inquiring into
and ensployt»euts of the Offices and Ci`'r
Courts in Scotland, or by any one of "ter9ebsse"
,
the Secretary of State for the Home Vtl''''•,,Jeol
relative to tlie inexpediency of filliog
ie 001
office ; and also copies of letters, or
stance of similar cotonsonications, front any 60'"
-
tnissary, or. Commissary's Clerk, ll7
ril
Courts. so
Mr. B. BATHURST said, there were
Papers as the Noble- Lord required ; and 'I- ("It
that was a syfficient answer to his notti"Ti
all the grounds that he had‘stateti,
the motion Could not be agreed to. j s
After some conversation between Ss'r-- • t t•-
port; Mr. W. Dutidas, and Mr. J. I. Gill"
motion was negatived without.a diriSioll.

fir
Sir '
MACINTOSH rose to move for 11'‘
F
pointment of 'a Committee, to inquire ilor,ro:rier,
o
most effectual means for preventinL, the
of the Bank of England Notes; It WO
,ii°t
this moment that held( persuaded, not n"l';'-it
ing all he had heard to the contrary, dint I`,T)-.51101;
tion.would be resisted ; hut he wa's 0"t s-if
hopes that the just and respectable P„r rasPer-0
House would consent to his motion. „vess
to the subject, he had no wish (0 engr"
much of their time ; but on a questi"
ire
the lives and liberties of the people of ty:::
,he was sure he should not meet anY °"),troacti
Ihe question was one of the greatest ittehc rt",
it had excited the greatest attention on (*.o'er
aof the Public, and required very serious ,catiToll,
tiuh. The Ilon. Gentleman obierved,l%i sil
course of 12 years previous to the 5"91),,;i0;
of Cash Payments, only one instance °I
sOri
tp
punishment occurred, whilst in the laSt Se
only, no less a number. than 101 bad sotrer,c` r
,;, ee(
for this offence ; and in London and 1‘11`lit%);
alone 44 had suffered the dreadful
the law for this offence within that •SP3Ce.c3.l•Cel
crime of forgery, which formerly n'"s
heard of, now stood first on the list , and 3111:;„Li
to a number nearly equal to all other OPI,'-0111
fenceshorror
put together...- Now this WaS lit)b* fp°
seemed to accumulate around "Sri:
last returns laid on the table of the I',.°oll6°' ei
appeared that last year was .the most P':l,l
forgeries that ever was knci"wri; but tberi tlO/
also a tenon fOr the fit st three months %set°
year, and flout that it appeared that the Pro die
year was likely to be much worse thLin e:eothefi
-yst, which was the worst ever known. nece P
•ircurnstance he must allude to the Or "th•
prosecutions last year wss no less a
thirty thousand pounds ; this appeared en°lllloo*,'
but what would the House think,, when Ova
100,,'
ing to the accounts on the table, they f°;,lllhe
the expences of the first three mouths ot `",
epee ;
sent . year was near 90,0001. The e.rf,-el ;
Bank prosecutions was, indeed, stirprisli.'utie
appeared, that on the average each 1".,1);:iecY31,/
cost the Bank 2651. This Was tat rain'rtrt td's
deed, and, in some cases, it appertrets
prosecution. of one cost as mtich as the F.
tion• of six. 'these were encowtances • of
called lrndly for inquiry, especially since data
peare(l that the '
offence was increasi":lf,.et
a nil- had ceased to be confined as turtillirOg
small notes ; it now extended to those °` etc
v4lue. The Hon. Gewieman iben 0110(lep ‘l,l
what bed been said by the Lord Chief 14't,re'65eg
Lancasster ; where that Leained Judge
his opinion that the clime of forging bat
and notes was now becotneso pi evalent ct
plain the fear of capital punishment nol°"

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twhilac atea prevent the commission of the crime
this the frequency of capital punislament for
lorerfenee rendered our law odious in the eyes of
thajl'eri• That Learned Judge thentoe Le
declaredgisla .
tare "NI% but the interference of
""hl, he was persuaded, put a stop to thin
the att-atid crying evil. The next topic to which
tivel,loll Membera' alluded wai. the Petition from
which the Petitioners earnestly urged
tiee,"o"se to t Ike the subject into its consn era-
-4a'4." W ittall these calls upon it, he was per-
-14444 the ithmsewoold not any longer
.delay e.n-
of the inciease
Y. Another melancholy proof
'lrancrinle was to be found in a summary lately
p"P by the Home Office, by which it ap-
141r, that from the
.ye..ar 1805 to 1811, the
fro, of capital convictions were 3%; whilst
int 1811 to LBlB, they :involuted to 5,
.thrli!'e of crime did not, he believed, arise front
1)44, 'usual or increased immorality of the people,
44; trae,ti
ther arose out of the economical system.
t the continual variance in the price of
11,1' o
17 necessaries of lite, and the frequent. rtisematoid
ttrie;:f wages; but above all, out of the syse
oft ti"ertible paper money. He would nut dwell
11/4,si' loss of individuals by these. tes ; but he
04'4 n'etuion one instance to spew how nittcli a
18„14•Persons, least able to hear loss, (lid lose
414,,f-irgett notes, many hundreds of which never
Itts{ red the Bank'. A tradesman having received
t'"te, hich turned nut a forgery, he recol-
t"dap„. w
hay. 1
believed, taken it of the
"g, as IC
neighbourhood.
Ilt"ter of a tradesmln in the net,
tliiii`T.P!ied to this tradesman to have die bad note
biet;ig." for a good one ; the lat ter tra.d.esmaisistele:
s;o1, I'"''ing had the bad note in his po
14.4; t)t that his daughter had paid it the cotu-
'r
The complainant brought his action
141 Marshalsea Court ; the Jury gave aitn
i:dict for 51. and the poor man was obliged
4i,v4Y that sum, and also 231. for costs.E
etilt)iateri;,vtittitielriei;()%tvilg
was discovered that the man w
woman with giving hire this bad
liraiitas mistaken. The mistake arose from the
14441esemblance she bare to Emma Connor, who
i
1,4,,L)"41 puttini, off. bad notes in that neighbou
1)(it all putting
satisfaction the poor mao got
}riving 231• costs, for resisting payment of 51.
liehiy never ought to have p p aid. This, ro-
‘el'
z was only one case out of many hundreds.
;;tirel"lC of England was bound, in justice to
'titi. 4el'" characters, to investigate this subject
1:11' and also to call for the investigation
lie trusted he should not again
tars of the aff.iirs of the Bank tvete the af-
tof Private • l• 'I" and not to be hives-
tvate Ivo urt
iltaa -al. It might as well be said that the Mint
-,; I,lEivateP.establishment. In the situation
as the Batik and the Public stood, it
cNet'le duly of the Bank to exert every
t" protect the In America the
,Per
circulation anv)iiiited to 30,000,000. For.
Vt'aS 40( a Capital (,Ifence) yet forgery was very
as and why ? the Bank of America
1141'44 proteettd by the gibbet, and therefore
ete tautop themselves, by reti-
e.,
`- • t •
•getv oituctot ; wnost this great coon-
"at ‘Ol-4ard in Arts, he was told that any boy,
14r4'4,(11 been months with an engraveronight
-..te Notes of die Biok Etiglawl, not in-
art as to deceive. the Bank, but so as to deceive •
144 Y 0„lilie• to cast no reflections on
"tit )rev' he'liad endeavoured to avoid doing so.;
mild not sit down ‘vithout again express-
c44chlisurPrise at this motion being opposed. Ile
~..uttli,.etl by moving for the appointment of a
'Nit "Ie to enquire into the best mode of pre-
ihtit 14
Eorgeries, and to report 'to the House
e
thereon.
(1111, CuaNcELcon of the EXCHEttLfER did not
etilltet motiou because he considered the
fish
the Hon. Gentleman sought to cure
4 h'it because lie considered the mode pro-
Y the Hon. Gentleman as not tieing 'the
tltit whit,t might be adopted. The subject W 33
to INF 'he!i
..might require long and laborious in-
tovesti,,atioll and would not be fitted
44' 'ls'igition'by a dommittee; he would
to the Horse the propriety of ap-
t.t44 leisg Commission, instead of a Committee;
this,,,rftbiect would he to Move an amendment asts s"ect• He had seen many specimens of
wake , net first sight, he considered would
st,eiti,._.(rY Purpose ; hut all of theta, on close
eelekl",l4l, appeared inadequate. Ile was per-
-111 lilac considerable • might be
I 't • improvement
th tt
ie
,notes. of the Bank of England ; but
11,:i tor_ s)augaine enough to anticipatde alriate-
ki
telt l'etrilathe
.n in a shhorti►
is speech la( pgieen .rather
ttilitiedrrated picture of the present state of the
1111.1)cari forgerY• From his statement it would
leas d as
tearcel I) re%10139 to this century, forgery
Atev that Y been known ; whereas, the fact
50 alttl i" the last century forgery was more
t
a 4111 hall at present. In the years 1749,
lest r,
Alithr,l* the number of forgeries in London.
fleediddles the
were nineteen ; whereas in the
t)tt e Year 18. The Right
sh • s they were only
fe,!, thriattlentan entered into a detail, tending to
tiNfety we at latter periods the convictions) for
ttt ftirthi not so frequent as at former periods
Ivi.,te
of r, that for the last seven years the in-
-14'4 the inthis crime had lint borne a proportion
As4criNe e.rease of other crimes, and especially
tee,44ole°l, "ining,. • He concluded by moving,
cio pr .'"Ment, an Address to the Prince Re-
lit:illy prig his Royal Highness would be g-ra-
-4esiteased to appoint a commission to make
LotinAn NT was in favour of the original
411),Iters.11e was persuaded the country would he
f,tatlier4.tished with a Parliamentary inquirythan
eta ut he knew of no subject to which
Itour
tuee could better devote its time and
ht an to this important one.
til:t.trahleNta,T, after the able speech of his
t4t. itito
ri "tend, did not consider it necessary
torn' tivela't "ail on this subject. He must, how-
-111;:t
ettie,
siliittkiil,jore that he preferred a Committee to
re
ItiNt 111" It , must also remark on the
Right Honourable Gentleman
mf-it, ;tit 40 of forgery was on the decline :
4+lll„:itt h Offvnce to the Right Hon. Gentle-
ktoettittil Irerte ertt most say that such was not the fact,
i'll(4d made it appear so by a garbled ,
p:tlg;
s'in.stead ofdeclioing, the crime was in-
''eut ce d"ring the three first months of
;ear Ito
less a number than 112 had

been indicted for this crime. The Right Hon.
Gentleman bad also drawn comparisons between
the present and times gone by ; but the Right
Hon. Gentleman forgot that now persons were
allowed to plead guilty to the smaller offence of
having notes in their possession, and thus escape
capital punishment ; formerly all persons guilty
of this offence suffered. The Solicitor to the
Bank had not then the power of selecting who
shOold be executed and who should be saved—a
power which no individual ought to be possessed
of. The present Solicitor was, he believed,
a most respectable man, but who could say
what a future Solicitor to the Bank might
he, and that the privilege of pleading to the
less offence would not hereafter be made a source
of profit Indeed this /Vas a practice which he
wished to have enquired into ; this practice took
away the equality of the law, as i,ad been seen
lately in the case of -an unhappy female, who,
notwithstanding all the interest which had been
made for her, both with the Crown and the Bank,
had been executed. He wished to know why this
unfortunate female was thus selected for severity
and punishment—he could not say justice ? He
wished to know why Thompson, %vim was an old
offender, a wcll-knowit issuer and manufacturer of
lot ged notes, was allowed to plead to a lesser of-
fence, whilst a poor boy, of eighteen, was tried
and convicted for the capital offence, was now
lying in the condemned cell ; and unless he met
with more mercy, or rather more justice, than the
unhappy female did, would, no dobbt, pay the
forfeit of his life ? He concluded .by giving its.,
warmest support to the original motion.

Mi. S. THORNTON .was in favour of the Amend-
ment. He defended the Governors of the Bank.
Tl:e Hon. Gentleman did not pretend to enter into
a detail of the case of the unhappy woman who
had been alluded to, hot, as far, as his own opi-
nion went, he considered her's as a case in which
the law ought to have been allowed to take its
course.

Mr. HusxtssoN considered the speech of the
Hon. Member for Shrewsbury (Mr. Bennet) as
one strongly in favour of the Amendment ; since
that Honourable Gentleman had stated what
were the subjects which he widied to delegate
to the Comtnittee, namely, to enquire into
the Criminal Law on this subject ; to arraign the
character and conduct of the Judges in the exe-
cution of that law; to censure the Crown, the
fountain of mercy, for the Wanner in which it
had exercised that branch of its prerogative ; and
to rejudge cases now placed beyond all human
indgment. The Hon. Gentleman's speech bad
been a siring of charges against the Crown and
individuals, whilst the Hon. Gentleman, who had
brought forward the motion had carefully and
studiously abstained front such a course. He was
au opponent to the motion, because he consi-
dered the object of the Hon_ Gentleman could not
be obtained by the appointment of a Committee,
whilst the labours of a Commission might effect
it.

• Sir S. Romm.v was in favour of the original
motion. '!'l►e Hon. Member also complained of
the misrepresentation which had been made by
the last Spiker of the speech of his Honour ibis
Friend (Mr. Bennet). His Hon. Friend I►acl not
brought a charge against the Jud-4es, or against
the Crown—all his Hon. Friend haul done was,
to allude to, and condemn a system which ren-
dered a selection of cases necessary ; which selec-
tion could not fail to be productive of great dis-
content. -

General GASCOYNE was im favour of the origi-
nal nootinn.

Mr. MANN' \G opposed the motion, and defend-
ed the amendment. He wished now to state, that
be should be happy to give his aid in any emptily
which miglit be instituted by the House. The Go-
vernors ot the Bank were not anxious tor them-
selves, but they were most anxious for the Public;
and their only wish was to discover something to
.protect the Public from imposition ; and to do so
-they would spare no expellee. Formerly it was
the custom with the Bank to permit the indivi-
duals teudering forged notes to take the note
away to trace it, atter it had been stamped with
the voids " Forged Note." - But it had been
found, on several occasions, that these words
were, by a chemical process, removed, and the
notes again put in circulation.
Sir A. PIOOOTT defended the conduct of the
Governors ot the Bank, who had always been
most anxious to discover some mode for prevent-
ing forgeries and defending the Public.
Mr. W. SMITH thought the Batik had not
adopted all the precautions which they ought to
have done when their notes became the circulating
medium of the country. They ought to have
placed some ntaik on the face of their notes by
which the receiver of Banknotes might distin•
guish the forged note from the true as well as the
Bank could.

Mr. CANNING thought it was impossible to look
for any practical conclusion from a Committee of
the House at this late period of the Session;
whereas, from a Commission, appointed by the
Crown, continuing
,its 'sittings, he could expect
some good result, though not to the extent ex-
pected. He was yet to learn how it would be
a security to the Public to make known any ciite-
riot) by which the Bank can detect forgeries.; be-
cause it was supposing that in this country three
not was skill enough and industry enough to imi-
tate what may have been executed. He did not
think this particular crime of forgery bad increased
in a degree so disproportionate to other crimes as
to warrant the opinion that the increase was ow-
ing to the continuance of the Bank ReStriction.
He read the returns of committals for different
crimes, to show that they had all materially in-
creased in the last few years ; and most of them
in a Much greater proportion than forgery on the
Bank. As to the selection for
.punishment by
the Bank, he slid it was done with the samocan-
dour as any individual would make his selection
nut of a number of persons %ell,' had committed
offences against hint. With regard to the selec-
tion by the Crown, it was not one for punish-
ment, but rather a blessed selection from punish-
ment.

Sir J. 711ACINTOS replied.—He now saw, with
great satist‘iction, that the Bank Directors, and
both sides of the House, agreed that investigation
was necessary ; and the only question was, what
sort of investigation was most proper to be adopt-

ed. He had been accused of having drawn an
ekaggerated picture of the increase of Bank for-
geries ; but he woull ret►eat, that in the 21 years
before the Bank Restrktion, six l►rnsecw ions took
place for forgeries ; and for the '2l years follow-
ing that restriction they amounted to 860. It
had been said that it was necessary, for the sake
of secrecy, that thiS investigation should be made
by a Royal Commission. But would the House
say that 21 of its own Members were unworthy
to be entrusted with any secret that any other
Committee might be entrusted with. What would
be expected by the Ptiblic from a Commission Of
the Crown, but subserviency and inert ton, instead
of active anti zealous exertion and enquiry.
The House tl►en divided—
For the Amendment
Fur the Motion 62
Majority - 44

When strangers were re-adrnitt to the gc.• Ilery,
the CHANCELLOR of the Exc.mEctutEa Was tound
oti his legs, moving an Addres—s Nit. a Royal Com-
mission. Some difficulty apparently had arisen
upon certain words, extending the inquiry to the
notes of Country Bankers, -and other engraved
negociahle securities.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
he wi,bed the investigation to be general, and not
directed merely against the notes of the Bank of
Ent:land.
Mr. Jon N SMI 141 was in favour of the Commis-
sion, hut he Saw no pretence for empowering the
Commissioners to enter into the houses of Bankers
in the country, upon whom no forgeries had been
committed.

Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that no such power
would be communicated ; the only point to which
the labours of the Commissioners would refer
was tl►e mode in which notes ought to be con:.
structed for the purpose of avoiding forgery.
Mr. TIERNEY observed, that it was not difficult
to guess the reason why the words, ‘g and other
engraved negociable securities," were introtinced.
The Chancellor of the Exche►luer was always ex-
tremely anxious not to give the slightest offence
to the Bank of England. As the motion now
stood, the Directors might- a little complain that
their oid friend had deserted them, or, to use a
vulgar phrase, had thrown them over the bridge,
by appointing even a Commission to inquire into
their private concerns. The Commission, in his
opinion, would do more harm than good. The
Right Hon. Gentleman might as well give it up
at once, and have recourse to his old expedient,
and say it was a mistake.
Mr. LYTTELTON said there were extreme eases
in which it was somtimes advisable to move an
adjournment of the House, and in order that fur-
ther consideration might be given to so important
a subject, he should make a motion to that effect.
'f he e Hon. Gentleman then moved that the House
should adjourn.

The SPEAKER was about to put the question,
wl►en

Mr. LYTTELTON expressed his intention of
.withdrawing his motion, till the House expressed
its opinion on the amendment. The motion of
adjournment was accordingly withdrawn.

After a few winds from Mr. Protheroe,
Gipps, t!,e Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Mr.
W. Smith, the House divided, when there were,
F,,r the Amendment 75
For the Chancellor of the Exchequer's motion S7
Majority for the motion —l2
Mr. LYTTELTON :Appearing determined to press
the 'notion of adjournment,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCREQUER expressed
his willingness to withdraw his motion.

The SPEAKER said, that the House had already
agreed to the motion, and, therefore, the only way
of getting rid of the difficulty would be, to nega-
tive the entire question, and to propose a new one.
After a few• words from Mr. W. WYNNE, the
Address was negatived, and a new one proposed,
the object of which was the same as the former,
except that it did not extend to the Country
Banks, but was limited to the Bank of England
alone.

Mr. TIERNEY said he had no objection to the
new Address, if the majority had no objection.—
What surprised him, however, was, that the Bank
Directors were placed in a most aukward predica-
ment. According. to the doctrine of the Noble
i.,ord, they Were to he considered as suspicious
persons, against whom precautions were to be
taken.

Atter some observations from Lord CASTLE-
REAGH and i\'lr. W. SMITH, the Address was
agreed to. _ _

EAST INDIA SHIPPING.

Mr. CANNING obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to consolidate and amend the Laws relative to
East India Shipping.

Mr. Joriti PETER GRANT having risen to make
the motion of Which he had given no►ice,

Lord CASTLEREAGH wished the lion. and
Learned Gentleman to allow the consideration of
the Message relative to the marriage of his Royal
Highness the Duke of Kent to come on first...—.
Thi. was refused,
COUNT LAS CASAS.

Sir J. P. GRANT moved for certain papers re-
specting Las Casas, the companion of linonaparte
in his captivity attSt. Helena; who was sent, as
he understood, by the Governor, from St. Helena
to the Cape of Good Hope, and sent op the coun-
try, where he was detained among savages several
months against his will. It had been asserted,
that he was in some way concerned in sending
papers and letters clandestinely from St. Helena.
From the Cape he was brought in a ship scarcely
sea-worthy to the mouth of the Thames ; Offi-
cers were then sent on board under the Alien Act,
and his papers were taken from him : he was con-
veyed on board another vessel at Ostend', and
from thence delivered over to the Prussians, and
ultimately placed under the giartillance of the Po-
lice at Frankfort. It was against the abuse of
the power given by the Alien Act that lie now
complained, because he had moved a clause in the
Act which prevented the delivery over of Aliens
into the hands of their enemies. The clause was
rejected at the time, and he was then told such a •
case could never happen. It had, however, hap-
pened in the person of Count Las Casas, if the
information was correct. The necessity of
amending the Act was therefore apparent. He
concluded with moving an Address for the Corre-
spondence, Orders, &c. in respect to the removal
of this person.
Lord CASTLEREAGti observed, that the Hon.

Gentleman cast an odium upon the Government
at the Cape, which was undeAerved, for instead
of Las Casas being sent among savages, wrs,
it► tact, lodged among the servants iu the Gover-
nor's country-Loose. With respect to sending
Lim to Ostend, he wade no objection, and he was
only sent to the borders of the Rhine as being
safer than on the confines of France, for it was
clear that his object was to carry 0:1 an improper
correspondence. His papers were all delivered to
him at Frankfort sealed himself admitting they
were all perfectly correct.
. _

Mr. GouLuortN confit rued the statement of the
Noble Lotd, and informed the House, that Ma-
dan►e Las Caias was consulted as to the place
where she would like to meet her husband. She
preferred London; bot -that not being deemed a
proper meeting-place, she expressed a wish to
nicer
,hint at the nearest out-port.—Ostend was
therefore selected.

After some further observations from Mr..TIER•
Mr. DOUGLAS, and Mr. GRANT, the MO..
lion was "negativtql.

ROYAL MESSAGE.

Lord CASTLEREAGH postponed the Order of the
Day for the consideration of the Royal Message
1.0 this day, on an understanding that it would
take the precedence of all the other Orders.
The-other Orders of the Day were then dkpos-
ed of, and the House adjonrA:l at Half-past One
o'Clock. .

LAW INTELLIGENCE.

COURT OF KING's BENCH, WESTMINSTER, MAY 14.

COMMON JURIES.

PALMER versus SOLOMONS.

This was an action brought by the son of the
late Mr. Palmer, the Comedian, against the de-
fendant, for an assault and false imprisonment.—
The plaintiff was a Midshipman in the Navy, and
bad employed tl►edefendant as an agent to negotiate
the payment of some prize-money, which led to
the injury now complained of.—Before the plain..
tiff's witnesses were called, it was agreed, at the
suggestion of the Learned Judge, to refer all the
miltters in difference between the parties to arbi-
trat ion.