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that case was, whether Lord Corehouse should apply
for leave of absence, which must, from his state of health at
the time, have terminated in his resignation, or whether he
should have immediately retired from office.—(Hear, hear. )
The question which then weighed upon Lord Corehouse's
mind was, that there was a Bill then under the consideration
of Parliament for the purpose of regulating the retiring sala-
ries of Judges. If Lord Corehouse retired, then he could not
partake of the benefits' proposed to be conferred on retiring
Judges ; but if he took advantage of, or obtained leave of ab-
sence, he was likely to come within the provisions of that Bill.
The question was not whether the appeintment was in danger
of lapsing from the Government, but whether, if a vacancy was
then caused by the retirement from office of Lord Corehouse,
and his place left to be filled up on the Bench by a more effi-
cient servant, a clause should be introduced ie the bill which
would give him the benefit of a retiring salary to which other
Judges of his class would have been entitled. He ( Mr. F. Mauls)
was a party to the introduction of the clause in the Bill, and
he had not the least hesitation to say so then before the puclic.
He thought it was an act of justice. He was struck with
compassion for that learned and venerable person, who was
at an advanced period of his life, struck, by the visitation of
Providence, with an afflicting complaint, and rendered incapa-
ble of performing the duties of his office.—( Hear, hear.) For
the purpose of making the Court more efficient, he (Mr.
Mauls) consented to the introduction into the Bill of the clause
to which he alluded, and the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir. James
Graham) had thought it worth his while to give a party
cheer—( Hear, hear )—over his Noble Friend (Lord J. Russell)
by adverting to the matter as he had ' • at the same time, he
(Sir J. Graham) must have forgotten how much obloquy must
have attached to himself, for if that was looked upon as an in-
terference on the part of the late Government, or if it had
the effect of rendering impure the channels of justice, why did
not the Right Hon. Baronet bring forward this question in his
place in Parliament some few years ago?—(Loud cheers.)
The Right Hon. Baronet shook his head, but. he (Mr.. Alaule)
would leave the public to decide between the charge that had
been made and the answer which was given to it.--:(Loud
cheers.) With respect to the President of the Court of Ses-
sion in Scotland, he (Mr. Mauls) observed that the judgments
of that Court were latterly so different as to give deep and se-
rious disgust.—( Hear, hear.) He would allude to one of those
judgments, which was perhaps the most important that ever
was pronounced by a judicial tribunal in Scotland, and one in
which that venerable Judge who had latterly presided, was
called upon to give his opinion as Lord President—the question
was as to the rights of the General Assembly of the Church of
Scotland in the Strathbogie case.—( Hear, hear.) So far did
the Lord President allow his temper to get the better of his dis-
cretion, and he (Mr. Mettle) gave it the most charitable con-
struction, in stating that—that instead of delivering his judg-
ment with that calmness which would give it effect, and that
deliberation which would give it weight, and entitle it to the re-
spect of the parties concerned in it, he compared the General As-
sembly, or at least the majority of them, with persons of as very
inferior grade.—(Hear.) He used, with reference to theGe-
rieral Assembly of the Church of Scotland, a simile, for which
lie (Mr. Maude) supposed he was indebted to the Right Hon.
Baronet opposite—(Laughter and loud cheers)—he called the
General Assembly a set of thimble-riggers---(Loud laughter)
—and, in his judgment, that Learned Judge stated 'that the
General Assembly of the Church of Scotland were not only
like, but put him in mind of a set of thimble-riggers, or a set
of men who tossed in a race course, Heads iwin—(Laughter)—
and Harp you loose.—(Loud laughter.) He certainly had
used those terms in pronouncing his judgment in that
grave and important ease. There were certain gentlemen
from Scotland then in the House, and he (Mr. Mule) defied
asty of them to deny that those expressions were used by the
President of the Court of Session in delivering that judgment.
Would any gentleman, who walked Westminster-hall, hear
such language as that proceed from any of the Judges there ?
Would any gentleman tell him, that if any such language as
that fell from Lord Denman, it would not in that House be
made the subject of great disapprobation, at the least? He
wished not to hut t the feelings of any party ; but he must say
that there was so much of temper mixed up with the judgment,
that it had excited in Scotland a feeling of indignation, and
had done more to widen the breach between the Civil and the
Church Courts than anything he had ever recollected.—
( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet opposite, the Member
for Tamworth, could set at rest any suspicion with respect to
the Lord President that was entertained in Scotland. He had
been told that the Lord President tendered his resignation in
1834, during the Right Hon. Baronet's former Administration.
He (Mr. F. Mamie) could scarcely credit that ; but, for the
sake of the Learned Judge's character, it ought to be stated
• whether he did so or not.—( Hear, hear.) He had no reason
to believe the Executive Government had any thing to do with
the resignation of the Lord President; he entirely absolved
them from all charge upon that head. What could they
do but, having the resignation, appoint as successor
-the party they should best think calculated to fill the office?
This matter had excited much conversation and a great deal of
suspicion in Scotland, and though he was ready to absolve the
Government from hand, act, or part in that resignation, he
was not sure that the Right Hon. Baronet's defence of the. Lord
President would allay that suspicion.-- ( Hear, hear.)
Sir W. RAE never doubted that the motion of the Noble
Lord had been made upon public grounds, for it was impossible
to suppose that he would be a party to an attack upon an aged
person, who had long and well served his country.—(Hear,
hear.) But the object of the motion was aggravated in an ex-
traordinary manner by the speech of the Right Hon. Gentle-
man who had just sat down • and he (Sir W. Rae) could only
express his surprise that he should have thus heaped coals of fire
on the head of a venerable old man, who had not an opportunity
of defending himself. This was the more ungenerous, as the
charge was unfounded. Mr. Hope, the late Lord President :was as
sound in his mind now as he had been any time these ten years.
Mr. F. MAULE—I never said he was of unsound mind.—
( Oh, oh ! and Order.)
Sir W. RAE—You said the state of his mind affected his
judgment.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. MAULE—I never said so.—(Order.)
Sir W. RAE—The Lord President was perfectly able to
perform his duties down to the hour of his resignation. With
respect to the Jury Court, the Lord President had invariably
attended the first division of it, which was the department be-
longing to his position. But it was a fact that his Lordship
had been so lame in his lower limbs, that it was with greatdiffi-
culty he could enter a carriage or ascend to his seat on the bench.
That individual was now seventy-eight years of age—(Hear,
hear, from the Opposition)—and he had officiated in his
Court for the last thirty-eight years. The Hon. Gentleman
had alluded to the Church question. It might, perhaps, be a
popular subject in Scotland, but he (the Lord Advocate) did
not wish to indulge in its discussion at that moment. He
should say, however, that he had never heard, until that
evening, the words which had been attributed to the Lord
President ; and, if he had used them, that had not come to
his knowledge. If ever there was address which gave proof
of high intellect, it was that of the Lord President to those
parties who had been brought up for censure before him.
There never was a more dignified, able, and elegant address,
than that which had thus been delivered six months ago.—
( Hear, hear.) But he did not wish that the character of that
learned personage should rest solely on his testimony. The
Faculty of Advocates, at a very numerous meeting of
their body, had unanimously agreed to a most cor-
dial and affectionate address to the Lord President on his re-
tiring from his office. In that address they stated then'
sense of the distinguished ability and integrity with which he
had discharged the duties of his situation. They bore their
testimony to the learning, eloquence, and impartiality 'by
which he had commanled ,uch universal confidence and respect,
by expressing a hope that he might enjoy in private life that re-
pose and happiness which would be the fitting reward of his long
labours and eminent virtues.—( Hear, hear.) At this stage of
his life were they to assail the character of so distinguisned a
man—a man who had passed thirty-right years of his lite in
the service of his country? During the whole of that time he
had filled his situation with honour to himself, and without
any consideration
for his own interest. He had won the
respect and admiration of the whole bar of Scotland. He had
held office under the Government of 1830 to the satisfaction of
all parties, having filled the office of Solicitor-General, and
ample opportunities were then offered for his consulting his
own interest. He (the Lord Advocate) felt strongly on this
subject, and he felt that a more unjust accusation was never
I made, or a more ungenerous one.—(Cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL said that he did not think that the mo-
tion of the Noble Lord was brought forward in the manner
most calculated to insure success.—( Hear.) The Right
Hon. Baronet appealed to him for his testimony in favour of
Chief Justice Isushe, which he insinuated would be the more
valuable as he differed from him in politics. Now, he, (Mr.
O'Connell thought that aTsheay
hCandienf
oJtudsitfficeerehde
inshpooullidtiehsatvile
DO politics.—. •
he (°thlietic•L3o—rd(CChhieeefrJs.u)stice Bushe) got a seat upon the bench.
7 hen began his career by voting against the Union. He stood
in many respects superior to the Grattans, and the Currans,
and the Ponsonbys of his day--(Cheers)—and inferior to them
and many other. He had the happiest voice that ever human
being was blessed with. He was an excellent lawyer, and an
accomplished gentleman, but the Charles Bushe of that day
was not the Charles Bushe who retired when the present Go-
vernment came into office--( Hear, hear.) Atter he had
ceased to,be of use upon the Bench, he adhered to his seat
with the most unhappy constancy, and with the most desperate
tenacity. —( Hear.) He spoke of him with regret, he spoke
with regret of his memory, or rather of his recollectien, to his
memory was not to be spoken of at all.—(Hear, hear, and
laughter.) For four or five years he had not presided in:the
Nisi Prius Court, the duties of which he devolved upon one of
the junior Judges. It was unhappily the case in Ireland that a
Judge's salary was retrenched if he did not go a circuit, but it
was known that Chief Justice Bushe spent two clays at the
.Maryborough Assizes, in deciding a few cases of registry ap-
peals. llis memory and his faculties had forsaken hien, and
his incompetency was apparent to all his best friends who wished
and urged him not to continue in office. It was melancholy
that such a state of things should exist, and it required she
greatest constitutional jealousy.—( Cheers. ) The addresses of
the bar had been spoken of by the Right Hen. Baronet, but it
was not difficult to see of what little value they were
for the purposes for which he used them. Perhaps the Right
Hon. Baronet would not give him credit for it, but he could
assure him it was with considerable pain he was thus forced to
speak of the late I.ord Chief Just ice.—( Hear, hear.) There
was another instance in Ireland of the same kind, which
Would be brought before the House at another tinie.--( Hear,
hear.) He thought the Noble Lord was perfectly right in
bringing forward a question of that constitution and nature in
order to terrify Judges from continuing in office until the mo-
ment when a political party came into power.—(Cheers.)
Mr. SHAW said he rose for the purpose of contradicting
the Hon and Learned Gentleman, not with respect to his
merited eulogium on the late Lord Chief Justice, but with re-
spect to matters of fact. He (Mr. Shaw) always understood
that Chief Justice Bustle attended his Court very regularly
,until the last term, and that he then intimated to his friends,
without reference to those who occupied the Treasury Benches,
his intention of resigning. He was astonished at the boldness of
the Noble Lord in bringing forward the present motion
after the case of the late Lord Chancellor.—(Hear, hear.)
He believed, and he had every rea on to know, that terms were
offered to Mr. Justice Johnson, and that one of his family had
been offered a civil appointment, and another, preferment in the
Church.—(Loud cheers.) The Noble Lord provoked every-
thing there had been said, and yet there neverwassatipGeonvdti•rarriy-
ment which made so complete a clearance in the public offices
as the late Administration, in the Police, the
Magistracy, and other Departments, for the .purpose of
promoting and advancing their own supporters.—(('heers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL said he did not know whether the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman opposite meant to convey that he (Mr.
O'Connell) had spoken of the last summer circuit. He had,
however, not done so. He referred to the last March Circuit.
Mr. WAK LEY said, it could not be denied that this mo-
tion had given rise to a most edifying discussion ; and it was
a most useful thing to the public that some people should fall
out and disagree, because, by such means they let the people a
little into their secrets, and informed them of what was going
on in certain political parties. He (Mr. Wakley) was in the
habit of making certain marks opposite the various notices on
the paper which seemed to intimate the importance or unim-
portance of the different topics. Some he marked as useless;
some he marked as nonsense ; but, strange to say, he had
marked the notice of the Noble Lord as " Suicide"—(Loud
laughter)—and he thought he might perhaps be called upon
to act on it in his official capacity.--( Renewed laughter. ) He
knew nothing of the present case, but he would say that even
if all the allegations made against those Judges were true,
that they were not so culpable as those men who had been in
the habit for a long series of years of appointing people to the
judicial bench, solely on accouut of the politics they enter-
tained. Was it fit that the judgment seat should be a political
institution?—(Hear, hear.) Was it ry a scandal to the
Legislature—a disgrace to the intelligen& of the nation—and
a reflection on the good sense of the people of thit country, that
the judicial appointments should always depend on the politics

of the party ?—(Hear.) He did not say that the pr!see_t:t/1;
ministration was more reprehensible than other adennl.'„ieb
tions, but he hoped that this would be a useful lessotn;
that
is
might guide them right in making future appe:ntine: t"
titularm i ;ht notvie views,
saidbut thatbee
because
ea man
his was selected
qualifications
such as eminently to fit him for the office.—( Hear.)
iele?re_iif toaiu°,
to Sitinroßy.tiPmEt
tEhLe ;aid, the
Gthoevelrnlonm.enGtehnatlaembeaennoipripn:
its judicial appointments by the politics of the parties
he (Sir 11. Peel) would convince him that her Majesty s,
vernment was not open to the imputations which tr. 1.,,en07;
were apt to throw on it.—( Hear.) The name of L
at )11.'
house reminded him that it was by him (Sir R. Peel) I
Cranstoun had been placed on the bench.—( Hear, hears2otlsoe
had selected that gentleman for the judicial bench in r, he
solely on account of his professional fitness.—(flea bad the
He had disregarded all political claims. and he had seneft
proud pleasure of conferring on the public a great utior.)
by securing the labours of Mr. Cranstoun.—( Hear, d been
now. With respect to the three judicial offices which ha
in the appointment of the Government since it cameo telent of
The Hon. Gentleman said with respect to the appteissd he
ght'll ;7°l
Mr. Cresswell, he had not a word to say ; 'he thou
thought justly, that the appointment of Mr. Cresswea. ims,
most proper one, and a just reward for his professionhle7i4.
and with respect to his political opinions, they had t'. oot•
vided assent of the public as to the fitness of the apeote:s.,,,tity
But then there were two other appointments in the '',l(l so
Courts, created by the Bill of the last Session, sold
high an opinion did the present Government t their
of the judicial services of Lord Cottenham tha 00 of
first act after the passing of the Bill was to tender to 110,0 sp•
those judgeships. Lord Cottenham declined to accept tna the
pointment, and he (Sir R. Peel) could well undersno
motives that had induced him to do sn ; it was searcel?teet4;
expected, in consequence of his position, thathewouldaL
but the Government were determined not to forego the effect.
tunity of offering it to Lord Cottenham, and therehYof high
ing a saving to the country, and also showing to mefl ercl
professional reputation that the Government were det%stioa
not to pass them by. He would now give also an eirt'res to
of all he knew as to the retirement of the Judges reitesera'
by the Noble Lord. The Noble Lord acquitted the
ment of any blame. His motion was directed agai:, bar
Judges themselves ; and, he must say, when he heard ""e.isleat
of each of the Courts in which those Learned Judges Fr t thoee
I offering the. expres?ion of their unanimous opinion Woe te•
Judges might repose in uninterrupted happiness
for
mainder of their days, it was painful to think that such repose
debate'
should be interrupted, and that happiness prevented, by Ile
e„
in that House, intended to convey reflections upon th, pet
was not prepared for the resignation of his valuable frienordost
Chief Justice Bushe. He (Sir R. Peel) had not hits the/
his powers were undermined, but it was intimated to P'bsting
his Lordship wished to resign, being now 75 years of age' hariags,
been Attorney-General from 1805 to 1815, an'Zish 1";
served the Administration of the party to
Noble Lord belonged with equal fidelity to thterefore,
which he served his own. He (Sir R. Peel) ,teusitee
thought, that a recollection of the lustre which lne.isistry
abilities of Plunkett and of Bushe reflected on the Admit° es"
tion of Ireland, ought to have induced the Noble Lordoos)
empt the late Lord Chief Justice from that attack.--
The Lord Chief Justice signified his wish to resign sole 4e,
account of the infirmities attending seventy-five year! be (Sir
There was no stipulation as to a successor, and
if
Robert Peel) interfered at all, it would be to throw es 010,'
tions in the way of the retirement of so distinguished bit
His character might be estimated from the address ',sir It.
been presented to him by the Bar of Ireland; and he t‘) Ire
Peel) could not but think that the advocate for justice fessiOes
land was the first man to throw imputations on the Pretichta/
to which he belonged--(Chters from the Ministerial Widget
—describing it as a Bar whose addresses to retiriogii, pale
were mere waste paper, for when a leader made a ca' ,t
had the meanness to comply, and others , had (,or,
courage to refuse.—( Hear, and cheers.) °dot b'
President signified his des:re to retire also, stating wste
was seventy-eight years of age, and weighed down bY t 34
It was supposed that some inducement had been hc It a
the Lord President to influence him t 3 resign his ofilee"is
not indeed, expressly stated that the appointment ofo innate
was connected with his retirement; but it had beenils sir It
that some such nature operated on his mind. flee
sfq
Peel) altogether disclaimed the imputation. Therspod,'
kind of connection between the two - events ; and the aid bee'
ment of the son had been made out and his salary has phd
fixed before her Majesty's Government had consider7usea:
arrangement might be made with respect to the aPl'et of the
of a successor to the Lord President. The appoint 100
retire'
son was not in the slightest degree connected with the coae
ment of the father. The son had been appointed ins rlit;
'Aimee with that rule which the Hon. Gentleman "7,f
posed to apply so rigidly—be was appointed Dean of
Faculty, because he had been elected by the universal voice
be
the Bar of Scotland to that most honourable position,,,liotiss,l'
cause he (Sir R. Peel) believed that the Bar of oil 100
admitted that no more distinguished advocate Wel 011111
been selected :han Mr. John Hope--( Hear, hear) .--t,')„Ler
o'fice. The Hon. Gentleman bad asked whether t'!„" te,Y„'
President had not signified a wish to retire in 1834 071,7 to l": 1
He (Sir R. Peel) declared, singular as it might aPPes. he hi
fon. Gentleman, that, as far as his memory went, 3tooef,"
not the slightest recollection of such a cireen't sit'fv
that charge with the other?—( Hear, hear.)
But supposing it had been made, how utterly intone': evol
tenure of office was somewhat precarious in 1835 ; aessit
His (sir Palio
lieved that after the vote upon the Speakership, he et es shea's
pretty well foreseen what would have been his fate. io
have thought, too, that the Hon. Gentleman's confidencheees
own Administration in 1840 must have been somewhat cd
after he had found in 1839 that the Ministry had ft!, Ott
cessary to resign because they did not possess the_ytnlietiwit
dente.—(Hear, hear.) But what was it the kWh., Pee
now asked? Why, simply this—whether he (Sir no. Geer
had the viriue in 1835 to resist the proposal ? Thes°.°4,
tlernan admitted that he had deserved some cre0".,051,1,i
having a plausible ground for accepting the offer of rea;re
he had still not availed himself of the opportunity. , subJ
that if the Hon. Gentleman spoke again upon such aiu oec
he would recollect that he must have a hope of age' hear',
pying a seat on the Treasury Benches.—(llo,r;esdee
He asked him upon what those disclosures were 1,,-sien',.
(Loud cheers)—and if the Hon. Gentleman's c°,l-i5O the-
would decide that they were altogether on one side s°;bacr:
favour he (Sir R. Peel) would desire him to 05-5- case' is
(Laughter and cheers.) But, supposing this was the bsetiL
(Sir H. Peel) could not take the credit of having dee...,
accept it. But if this offer were made, it a
Robert Peel) that he would be perfectly justified in 'arfssea!,
the Lord President, " You mistake your infirmities, the) -yet v;
ferent from what you suppose them to be, there lies, ti
intellects which you can apply to public service; InY %ter.) ,
friend, is that you should remain."—(Cheers and la lig us rob
he took that course, it would be reconcileable with asa9s"e,
firmed by the debate in 1839.—( Hear, hear.) 111 ifteals
ppeared to liortig,!!,
(Sir R. Peel) had advised the Lord President to remalehe rehp
aid devote the remainder, or a portion, of his years I°,lemasstot
service he should have beep met by the Hon. Gen the Piss
Under Secretary of State, by stating that that wo,i, 30'7,1
time he had heard that that distinguished and venerate
was afflicted with mental indisposition, although his sPs,
powers might have been impaired by the labour of Yeais tol;
Under Secretary of State would then have been rea, ;
serer for the full application of all his mental nosi.sie
Right Hon. Baronet concluded by saying it was Ins
tention to oppose the motion. bpi Prtict
Lord J. RUSSELL said the question which he noceooc
posed was a very simple one indeed, and the only an
had received to it was from the Secretary of State for "ssie
Department. 'That Right Hon. Gentleman had giv,'"-be
thiig like an answer, but as to a defence, not one ,t (I';''sl
tlemen opposite attempted to make any such thieb.s'
cheers.) His (Lord J. Russell's) statement was t"1:,; caice
there were grounds to suspect that two Judges, sbieeled °o'
high on the judicial bench—(Hear, hear)—had re`a"-hosil's;r
at a time when they were infirm, either in mind or 11i0i00
stead of giving in their resignation, until another
came into office, and he (the Noble Lord) said that llob eat to
admitted to have been done—if Judges holding those tb,7lo4lllit
Lions were to look at the state of the Houses of rar-aso los
see whether one party had a majority over the others,l (er
60)
ther they ought to postpone their resignation uo"ii gass;o;
Ministerial changes would have taken place—he (Lord licesekiiir'
said that was conduct which must have the effect °ire hio
the character of those Judges in the estimation of tl2oo° he
—(Hear, hear, and cheers. ) He had heard much '-sarolioe,
own side of the House in corroboration of the statesestite't
hat, made, and very little was said on the other Le 'ssiderit be
of them.—(Cheers.) The I.earned Lord, the rris thad
the Court of Session in Scotland, had stated him° he stbit
was incapable of performing the duties of his Office;;ps be
that he hail great difficulty even in walking up the 9—sthi:jos.
court; that he was latterly afflicted with deafnesss,ses,
held his office.-~( Hear, hear.) Were those charitihe et:,14.1
afflictions so sudden as to occur immediately before
s 4 elise. the,
nation of that Learned Judge ?—( Hear, hear, ft".. di"„teo
Had they all come on in 1841—(Loud cheers)-4' frivl4
Learned Lord, although he was come titneta
in that way, postpone his resignation °,l„' rooft
was a change in the Ministry.—(" Hear, °,-the
cheers.) As to the case of the Lord Chief Justice e'ssell) the
of Queen's Bench in Ireland, he (Lord John 11°:06011,,,iti
heard nothing except what had tended fully to et,' elipl'lo'
statements he had made. A Night Hon. Gentlro"."-tie's"( Or,
(the Recorder for the City of Dublin) sated ti-a‘,•esses'soi
firniities of body bad come on the Lord Chief. .11,1;1r,Rr
Court of Queen's Bench in Ireland only lately.--( ""f the Fa'
If that statement was made within the knowledge
cot der of Dublin, undoubtedly it would have great wedirgithiEst
that Right. Hon. Gent. did not state that the tarts werjujiliegi
knowledge; and if the retirementof the Lord (hiefner--( 0.5
caused in that way,. undoubtedly it was very frostier`` cre°,os,,,
hear)--but as those facts were not stated by the 'seen) h`'esr';
State for the Home Departmeat, he (Lord J. 11,u,_sicar,,',0`;
not take them as answers to his statement.—a et te ssiv
Was it to be admitted or asserted by the Members ~35 tor
vernment, that it was proper for a Judge—that it,
(00t5
•ing his character, to use means, or watch the move";
litical parties, in order to wait until certain Challge:,;ire tbi
nistrations had taken place, that they then might • ono
officeloud cheers.) With respect
'nor,se
Judges in question, it was not denied that he was I,t''
from discharging his duties. With respect to the ot,- ettritt Phis
were not refuted. Therefore he (Lord J. Ros'el'Liect
severe in calling for the letters which were the se thei the
motion. At all events, there was this singular f3etlY
change of the Ministry had taken place coneuleas.)
tied ter'
resignation of both those Learned Judges.--(, etircs,hi;
respect to Lord Corehouse, he (Lord J. Ruaseh)his I,eridir
Hon. Friend then Under. Secretary, to write to., ,sand st,ioss,
stating that his resignation must be unconditional, 'this ilesseo
stipulation of any kind ; and that having received The oifre
tion, he might resign or retain his office as he close'forthesesl
Lord Plunkett was one of an entirely different u%rest g:
of Lord Chancellor being held during pleasure, %hie vete.;
from those that were held for life, He (the „kett's rk
would not now enter into the reasons of Lord Piers serearst apes
ment—(Laughter and cheers)—but would WI", til leg" eha
his successor, Lord Compile% of whose politica 4,owisg albe
lities the House had often had the benefit, net
_taccePl,e,
might be the effect of a dissolution—( Laughter)
reiirinV not
office, with the stipulation that he should haver' arty coled3clas
shins This was an act for which the opßosite sugaen.aotoa
show a precedent; nor did lie blame Sir &cart. of contping
appointed, perhaps not with a greater trosne?'s tsere
in his office, for . not making a similar stirs),
milt
pe°,l be
mentioned these cases, he (Lord John Russell). won'
,stis
in asking for the letters, for he feared, othertsds(4, sroro_. ar
difficult to convince the country that Judges ch. •sjut age aft sOis
tical motives, delay the resignation of offices w°sls'i csoslo`tord
firmity had unfitted them to hold, and that sr: use the
intended to be held nut, not as a warning, but, t° (cheers '
cf the Right Hon. Bart. a precedent for othersys.--ere---.
The House then divided, when the numbers s 5
For the motion ...........143
'J3
...
Against the motiqn ................. .•••••
Majority... ........... ........ g.
The Loan Societies Bill was read a secon th ,
Sir H. HA RDINGE brought up the Army 73104 OW
The other Orders of the Day were then di'aeysr
House adjourned at a Quarter to Nino Is'Clock• ..tice'
the jtif' f
The Lord Mayor yestr:rday stated itY•i:oici"
to the °°l7l;
room, at the Mansion nouse, that he had rebce
poor creatures who are brought in such nurncers, heittr,cie
room in a starving and almost naked condi ;01_1 Tiiiusel;
scription made amonost the Members of th
retised at"
Club, St, James's-square. His Lotelship cap
ous,isice„e JO'
grateful for the contribution, and said clubsassteuessed lsssi•
they
w°u
trees which he daily endeavoured toalleviates
it the members of hundreds of other wi Icl r-
follow the example,

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