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presumed their right to the
men of straw. If they o
be no protection afforded
speculator. The moment a
and he, for one, could see no
not be satisfied before any
events, if some such provi.
would be hard upon those
ments, with every hope
them in due course, to allow
of their liabilities in the
could not conceive, therefore,.
proposed to be emitted.
Mr. HENLEY denied that a call became a debt payable
immediately on being macLP. He apprehended a stood
upon the same principle as ran!, for which no distraint could
be made until the expiration of t:,ie quarter. of a call ,it
could not be legally demanded the ti me allowed for
payment had expired.
e Hon.
M 1
r. HAWES said that he agreed with
for altering
man opposite that there did appear some reastn.
the clause. But he would not take upon himself,
;: Genty-
at- 17esent,
the responsibility of introducing the amendment sugges:,ed
by the Hon. Gentleman opposite into every railway Bill.
Lord G. SOMERSET was disposed to think that the clause
might be improved, and at a future time he would be ready
to consider the amendment proposed. But as the clause was
introduced after much consideration and discussion, and as it
had been introduced into every railway Bill for the last
thirteen or fourteen years, he could not take upon himself
the responsibility °filtering it at present, or without much
consideration.
The clause was then agreed to, as were also clauses 16,
17, and 18.
On the reading of clause 19, which determines the perioni
to whom dividends are to be paid,
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET proposed the insertion
of the words—" or to any of those whose names appear in the
register."

111 r. HATTER did not see the reason why in the cases
there should be any difference between the mode of paying
dividends and that adopted at the Bank, and in all the °thin-
public companies.
Lord G. SOMERSET said the object of the clause was to
prevent fraud.

n Mr. HATTER did not see how fraud could be more readily
committed in respect to these than in respect to those of
other companies.
The clause, with the words proposed inserted, was then
agreed to.
On the reading of clause 20, respecting the payment, of
subscriptions when called for (that is by instalments),
Colonel SIBTHORP objected to allow these companies to
pay up their capital by instalments, or by " calls." He would
have the whole subscription paid at once.—(Great laughter.)
This system of calls enabled railway schemes to be taken up,
as was truly said by an Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Hayter),
by " men of straw." They got up those schemes without
a shilling in the world, and then they went over the
country under the pretence of making surveys.• He himself
could not endure to have his property entered upon and hid
trees cut down by these marauders.—(Great laughter) lit
would say that at least two-thirds of the capital ought to'be
subscribed at first.—(A laugh.) lie knew how the schemes
were got up. People who knew nothing about these things
were humbugged—(A laugh)—yes, humbugged—that was
the word—(A laugh)—by engineers and attorneys. Now
he did not want to make a sweeping charge against all en-
gineers and attorneys ; for he knew that many of them were
very respectable men in their way. If the public saw
a sum of money, such as 20,0001., paid down at once
in a new company they would have some confidence.
(A laugh.) No one could be more inclined than himself to
forward any project that would be useful to the country, but
he never would encourage or have anything to do with, these
schemes, which he believed to be delusive ;and dangerous—
The clause was then agreed to.
The other clauses up to 35 were then agreed to
On clause 35, relating to the liability of directors, being
proposed,

Mr. HENLEY wished to know whether this clause did
not clash with clause 99, so as to involve a contradiction.
Lord G. SOMERSET said his impression was that direc-
tors would not escape from their general liability as share-
holders.

Mr. HAWES said they certainly ought not to be more re-
sponsible than shareholders.
Mr. HENLEY had great deabts whether, under this clause
a director would be exempted from that liability with respect
to his own property from which shareholders were exempted.
After some further conversation, the clause was ag,eed to.
Clauses from 46 to 98 inclusive were then agreed to without
discussion.

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Clauses 99 to 110 were then agreed to.
On clause 111, empowering the company to imprison their
servants for detaining their documents, being read,
Mr. HAWES made some objections to the clause, on ac-
count of the nature of the remedy provided by it.
Mr. GLADSTONE said the clause was the usual one, and
the best defence of it was, that no complaints had ever
arisen from its operation. The case of a company requiring
its servants to deliver up books, papers, vouchers, and so on,
which were its own property, was not at all analogous to the
ordinary case of a dispute between two parties. in a court of
justice, where the presumption was equally in favour of both
antecedently to the investigation. He could conceive of no
justification for detaining the property of the company.
Mr. SPOONER said, as the party was to be imprisoned,
in the absence of bail, until he had made up his accounts.
facilities ought to be afforded to him for that purpose.
Mr. HENLEY could not see why these new compa-
nies should have any powers, as regarded their servants,
which the old companies did not possess, The Right Hon.
Gentleman said there could be no possible justification for de-
taining books and papers. Why it might be that that was
the only way in which a clerk could prove that the
Company were indebted to him. The observation of the
Hon. Member for Birmingham was a very striking one. By
this law they imprisoned a man because he did not give up
books, and then they kept him in prison because lie did not
make up his accounts, although no facilities were provided
for such a purpose.
Mr. FOX MAULE did think that the clause should be mo-
dified, and that a power should be given to ascertain whether
the offence was one for which they might take bail, as in
ordinary cases.
Lord G. SOMERSET quite concurred with the Hon.
Member, that the clause admitted of modification. But with
regard to the observations of the Hon. Member ftir Bir-
mingham, upon another part of it, it did appear to him (Lord
G. Somerset) that a public audit of the accounts would not
bo necessary. However, he would suggest that the clause
should'be passed now, and when the Bill was brought up be
would have a modified clause prepared ; but if he attempted
to do so now he might do too much or too little.—( Hear.)
Mr. H. DRUMMOND—The clause in question was the
same as that which he was aware existed for the last twenty
years on fifty different private Bills.
Mr. HAWES concurred in the course suggested 'by the
Noble Lord ; but be should object to local Bills of former
times being taken as precedents.
The clause was then agreed to.

Upon clause 112 being read,
Mr. HENLEY said he thought it would require some
alteration. It was quite right that the Company should lay
hold of any man in their employment whom they had reason
to believe was about to abscond ; but provision should-- be
made for bringing him at once before a magistrate; fur if he
were to wait for the petty sessions he should be held over
for a fortnight. or let go.
Lord G. SOMERSET concurred in the Hon. Member's
observations, and would have the clause modified. -
Clauses 113 to 122 were next read, and agreed to without
observation.

Upon clause 123 being read,
Mr. HENLEY begged to call attention to its formation,
and compare it wit h clause 144. Each gave a power to make
bye-laws, but care should be taken that those laws did not
extend indiscriminately to all her Majesty's subjects; if so, a
person charged with an offence under the bye-laws, if that
were not an offence connected in some way with the Com-
pany, the magistrate inflicting a penalty for it might be liable
oan action. There was great vagueness in the wording of
the clause.
Lord G. SOMERSET believed there could be na-lioubt
that the clause applied only to the Company, and did not in
any way interfere with the laws of the land. The object was
to prevent smoking in the carriages, or the commission of any
other nuisance or offence.

Mr. HENLEY—His only object in calling attention to it
was, that it should be made clear and plain.
Lord G. SOMERSET—Of course, care would be taken
that the clause would not admit of any doubt.
Clause 123 was agreed to.
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On clause 124, which provides that no Company shall re-
duce the capital stock, being put,
Mr. HAWES wished to be informed how they were to
detepmine what was or was not capital stock. Whet
might have been the capital stock of a, Company in 1835
might be very different to the capital stock of 1845. :The
capital stock of a Company was constantly varying.. It might
be reduced at one time, and added to at another, and he was
inclined to think it was important that they should not in-
terfere with it.

(LEFT SITTING.)

PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEES

ON RAILWAYS.-(THIS DAY.)

Sub-Committee, No. 3, assembled this morning. The Comuiittee
cosisted of Mr. Aglionby, Chairman, Mr. T. Egerton, Mr. Barnet'''.
Captain Jones, Mr. Standish, and Mr. Clive.
The Committee had the following petitions before them ; viz.—
Caledonian Railway— Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle—Monkbunt
and Kirkintilloch—Edinburgh and Glasgow—Great Grimsby and.
Sheffield—Huddersfield and Manchester—Manchester, Sou thJ unction
and Altrincliam Railway—Shrewsbury and Dirmingliani.
The Committee took the Caledonian line first. it appeared that
the length of the line was 135 miles—its cost 2,100,000 i., and that it
wag without tunnelling. The necessary forms having been proved to
have been complied with, the Committee decided that the standing
order had been complied with.
The Committee also decided in favour of the Glasgow, Dumfries,
And Carlisle Railway.

By the death of the Marquis of Westminster the twee
following horses are disqualified for the ensuing Derby, Oaks,.
and St. Leger ;—Br c Falstaff, by Touchstone, out Decor,
and b f by Touchstone, out of Lauraa, besides many valuable
two-year old horses in other great stAes.
GOLD MINEs IN RussrA.—An account has been
laid before Parliament of the produce in gold of the washings
of the mines in Siberia and Dural, carried on upon account
of the Crown and of individuals, from 1830 to 1842 inclu-
sive. In the years mentioned the total produce of mines be-
longing to the Crown was 2,053 pouds (one pond being equal
to 36 pounds avoirdupoise). The produce of mines belonging
to individuals was 4.118 ponds. the grand total shows the
produce iu gold of the washings of the mines in Russia to
have been, in the years mentioned, 6,171 ponds, or about
13,770,0001. The increase latterly has been enormous, in the
amount raised by individuals—the average annual a
having been about 250 ponds; while, in 1842, it reached 'I4O
PLATT—The members of the Homy
ponds,,Afa .o 1
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(limit held a meeting last week, at the chambers of 3i r. Sergeant
Channel, at which it was resolved that the Learned Baron should be
invited to a most magnificent entertainment,, as a mark of the high
eesetpeeteTtihnewiThnicihtahtieonis, enidd
tbh)e' thedinner
aerr.wilrl
wy evening next.
to preside as chairman,The Learned
artaokne
place at
the Albion Tavern, on Frida •
The banquet will be of Nr. Russell Gurney is
his new capacity as leader of the circuit.
the most costly description, and the tickets are
two guineas each.

THE WINDOW-TAX.—On Wednesday an adjourned
meeting of the metropolitan delegates assembled at the COurt-house,
Marylebone, for the purpose of fluffier conferring with Lord Duncan,
the Member for Bath, upon the subject of the window duties. Mr.
George Daniell, of Marylcbone, having been called to the chair, Lord
Duncan said that since he had last had the houour of meeting the
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delegates, the assurances of support he had received from Members
of the House of Commons when ho brought his motion forward for a
repeal of the window duties, wore cheering in the extreme.-- (Hear.)
Gentlemen of all shades of politics had declared their intention of
supporting him. Ho had received letters from Leicester, Brighton.
Sunderland, and other large provincial towns, stating that meetings
were about to be held and petitions presented to Parliament, praying
for a repeal of this tax. Mr. Crouch, of St. Pancras, Mr. Ewen, of
St. James's, Westminster, Mr. Talntun and Mr. Genim, of St. MarY-
lebone. and several other gentlemen, having addressed the meeting.
resolutions were passed, thanking Lord Duncan, and for calling meet-
ings, and the meeting separated.
FORBIDDING THE BAN24S.—TIIC flowin s*
literal copy of a letter received by a clergyman through g the post-
office :—" Reverent Sir, I forbids the Bands of Marriage between
Edward Blewitt and Mary Ann Howells, the Reason is he is under
age, and she Have got a husband a live, and She is wen.,,,aw ay tom
him ;heis in the Harmey, and she his with her Ho, -,11, :•'Ol4
Mat Manly them, 645, uor Pirstqc"—qtrat WW4ril 40.14 w.

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