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post:.! tin: grievances of the seamen 00 foreign
itatious, and hoped the lionse•would attend to
them. Ile had himself witnessed them' in India
Lit upwards of twenty years, and kneeLthAt the
complaints respecting pay .sfere Made equally by
the Officers as the men. lion. Gentlemen might .us
well attetupt to . tell bin that black is white, as
that the .naval service is 'satisfied. In respect to
pensions for wounds, Or to widows,, one service
was as far as 'poSsible different from the Other.,
.11. e could not but 'feel that the observatioos lie
Lin! frelnently made would 'do sonic good ; in
t, so..mer or later, the [louse must remedy
these strik;ng .The giving of seamen
thc:r pay every .three months,
,so tar from causing
d.'se.t-timt, would prevent it, -and save the men
tt i];ti enormous losses. Ile ceiuld assure tile llotte,
fr,oll his own knowletice: that n ny °ill."'" had
st filrcel a lust 61 20; 25, and 30 per Cent. optin
t.l.Lirb
Captain WALnEcitt.tvE congratulated the Hon.
Cltntleinan On the lac:S he had stated, mid holm'
the lineiseu H
would alm' to them. e re:tinned
'to
Ent; la-MI in 1795, with a man win) had 2001.
tO,Ving 1.'41 Itilu, lie put it to the Utilise nhether-
i h is ought to be.
Mr,.lloSr. stated the arrangement which h
'h ad-
ero made some singe by the late Lord
allow the Officers to'draW their bills,
Avi.kh it was found absolutely impracticable to
,extend to tic seamen. Such a Plan would re-
vnre eitahli,htnent at 'every station abroad.
Captnin, \r said, it was the bounden duty
Llh• Lords of the ..Vitniealtv, now they had to
hittk to do, to turn their.uttehtion to these griev-
'ciuecs ; and if they did not, be wonld bring fur-
-4ar.l the zoihject 011 every occasion.
Admiral IIAttE.IIAM thought it very. desirable
'that tie scallli:11 should have sonic part of tl,s it
p y given to them abroad. IF., trusted the Gen-
tlenitni opposite would give the subject full consi-
theilitiOn. Lie contrasted the m h manner in whic
the tilEd'ers of the Anny received their pay, with-
out loss by the course of. exchange, with that of
the Navy, inwhich the loses btate,lby the Gal-
lant Captain were not exaggerated.
111 r. Ctiotztt Said, if the measure now proposed
'were adopted, it would.eause posiAe loss to
NaSal Officers on foreign stations. The ge-
neral coutheol exchange find been always favour-
able to Naval °dicers, and. at thin moment it was
„so nearly evefyWhere.
Ail'. J. SMITH declared, that lie heard this last .
st4tement of the llon. Secretary with surprise, anti
*veil disbelief. Ile should be'glad to know upon
what authority it was founded.
Mr..etzoKEtt said, it was on a return from the
'Navy Offiee,w.h;ch s:towed, that in the year 1810
the exchange tr.IS favourable at the Leeward
islands, the Cape it Gorlni Hope, and Madras ;
lbw. it was at pa its the Mediterranean, and bdow
par only. at flalitax anti Antigua.
Mr. Bittis:c; wass,atistied that there must be
sotneertor this statemetit, or the 011icers of the
Naty (limit hate had means of drawing bills at a
.rate at which no inerehants could draW
The depreciation in. the year ISIO could Out he
less th•tit fruit 20 to 25 per cent. -
FOPIIES stated, that at .Bombay the loss on
:Leary wa ; from 7 to 10 per tent.
Mr. WYNNE wished to know why such a large
sum as 1,7041- was elcarged for inessengtwi,watch-
men,. and porters at the Navy Office
,1 Some of
'Nese messengers, he csnderstootl, met:iv:a salaries
fts big4i as -2501. contrary to the it:commendation
of the Commistdoners, .who -advised that no such
-persons should receive more than 1201. to 14W.
year.

lto was sure there was no messenger in
his'iirrice %%Aro ha►l more than 1201.

Mr, CliOK E a the head Messengers of the
►alty.hn►l a great deal of •respoßsibility, and
it c►iuld out be considered that they were too
I►iihly raid.

wished fur seine farther expja-
tatiPu ti4oo titt Hight lion. Secretary; respect,
In): tile, rate of Fix change. It• wits !bowl iuos dial
ISI.O• it Willi 14441111 it this eottiktry all over thc
world, anti lie Called On. to show, how it

indd by ally posaihility be in.fivotir of the Navy.
the-Right.tion. Sepretary Meill) to pledge his
cciin,ry no chit;. SliitClllCtlt, niul did. be wish t 9
be tried by this•criterion ?

Mr. 11Amgk:ast..Er was in the 111editerrunean in
1810, anal: he could theloss was from 13
(0 23 'per cent.' Toe Naval Oilieeis gcnwally
xooylatned of it.'

Mr. Caor.r.tt thought he bad stated distinctly,
that at nalta and Gibraltar the loss was great.
The paper he had referred to had not. been pre.
pared for this evening's debate, hot when the
suhjeet, Web 'before the „11011,e in 1811.
--There was a note at the end of a, which
*tined tvhict he bad asserted, 04 the course of
3,,xchange wits nearly tit nAr in moo phices awl
only ogstiel4t the Oliiem sof Gibtaltar,,ilalifax,uud
Anitigna.
S. y4)11.1401 defended the observations of
Mr. C.:it:Ll, win), he observed, had tamed no-
thing • tram lis own knowledge. In 1810 there
was it very large licet, nut less than thirty ships
'}it the line, anti though the state of affairs was not
lallourible, the rate 'of excha6ge did nut amount
40 ft cirawiwk.
Ira etisircilt)
.D r. flaring, Mr. COOKER said;
thc persont..who drew paid at the rate of about' 68
pence for she doilar.
Mr.,14a14,Q. _bah! ,the tlollKr nt thr4 time cost
abmit,s4.pencc,, so that the difference was be-
tween 54 mid .G 7, or about 2;iper cent agaiust the

uthcer
The c..IIAkCIiLLOII of the ExciicQuziivislied to
call lbc.'attelition of the Committee to the lulu-
cliele of prying hi thii Noy. Nagy trakfront.
'bre :noirciuuriAl.receiveil their pay tit
17!J:i Ihe ofijeerg;l,vere.allOyVed to draw their pay
0,1 ti4(ign stutions, by which they were subject to
41 "
11'. 3'111)eil the e3diapge, %VAS in our tavour,t
avid) I,,:;oici 1,, iiie:Aritiy, the public derived 'the
411.v941.41gv,.atid.11ikt Abe otlieets. lle would HOE
kiiter ictito the .question, wilvtlier,it would be de-
aiti4l46 to 4 089i0iilate.the llifierenet .between the
t 3 ""tlicevir ~ACitte) that n 4 prefe.
1, t-uce was giVell 10 one over the other, beyond
‘
YLtvt. was heecz4ar3/41-. -
Tlic' •
cPuNcrgation continuedfor sortie time, in
11,L, •
„:,.coiirse, of which Mr, CuoKsa said, to afford
4e '1'1°44.4 bittifaCli44l, I,C would /11011 e ,for 11C'

oy the Ofßeers tit* the Navy for a .erieS of year'i.•
Mr. LYrrt.rroN bore ttatimony to the lost of
the officers in the Mediterranean beittg 25 per
cent : he was glad to hear of the Iti•,,tht
Secretary's intention, as the returns would enable
the subject to he fairly discussed.
Mr. J. P. dRANT was of the same opinion.
Mr. Ilmutast knew the exchaugn wit's greatly
Against this country at Afalta in 1810 : be knew
that the Officers' bills were at a considerable.tits-
,
count.

Sir
,J. P. ligaizsrottp said, this country lotod
p'aid a great deal Ey disconut. Formerly, but
not of late years, he had had his I3iCIY all favour-
ably received---(A laugh) ; and he ,had no doubt
the time would come agaio, though it might be
long first---(Loud laughing.) lie never remem-
bered a seaman to have expressed a swish to be
.paid abroad; they were satisfied with the temit-
tanctli being sent-to their relations, their mothers,
sist.l's, wives, or whatever they had--(Laughter.).
To 'be paid abroad would make thent dissatisfied ;
they dirt. not call for it. He deprecated .the rea-
diness young Qtlteers showed to get up in that
House, and make statements about the Navy,
creating dissentiOns, wit bout ha6tig consulted
With those of more experience 011 stichstihjeet3.
Captain PuLt.r.w, as the allusion to young
officers, and creating dissensions, were evidently-
.
levelled at him, deemed it his duly to revel them.
—(Hear, hoar, hear !)—He hail trotiiing iii 'view
but to benetiL the service ;. so far from nut having_
consulted with olii ers of more experience than
himself, he lead taken tile opinions of malty, with
the exception of the gallant Admiral, to %Omni he
had out spoken before.
Sir J. N. liatimizotto thought the gallant Cap—
t ilia • had forgot! en himself. Ile had s pokeo to
him on the subject, when he (Sir J,) asked him
whom he bad consulted, and he answered, " Upon
-thy honour, nobody." He (SirJ,) then told him
that he was proposibi4 to brio;; a thing hit° the
House, which \vould receive the eetistrre of it
flout one end to the other. The advice he had
given him was, that the best way to benefit the
service, would be to go quietly to the Admiralty,
and argue the case wt,tb thew.--(Loud bursts of
laughter) r ,

Carditi PELLPAr must totally disci•iitu wally
parts of the conversation alluded to—(Ltughtce,
und hear, hear !)—lt was not the ease thin he had
Said no, when naked if he lied taken the opinion
of other thlicers.

Admiral.MAnKnAst censured the. opinion that
young (Veers ought not to bring these things
forward ; though he was not inclined to eater as
warmly as the willant Captain had done into the
subject of pay.. lie was not, a yo►►ng Officer him-
self, having been 42 years in the service ; but he
did consider the remark of young Ogieers to be
sometimes very unwise---[•l'he Italrant 'Atli:14111
proceeding when loud eriei of order arose, alld
appeals were made to.the Chair.]
• After some brief observation.: from Messrs.
Stuart Wortley, Forlles, General Ferguson, Lit-
tleton, Finlay, and Lord Castlereagh,: (who
stated the difference between the Army and
itlavy•to be, that the arn►y never acted abroad
withont a, Paymaster at his head, while neither
ships nor fleets ever had a Pavmasier), the Oittei7
tiou was ;nit on the Original Rtiolutioni for the
sun► of 43,864/. I2s. 6th for defraying the sala-
ries and contingencies-of-the Navy Pay OftLe, fol.
l Sl6.

MAtertwlinped the CO7IIIIIMOC would n 1).
stain from voting the whole of this loon, till the
papers Ypecifying..the.eOntingenci. s were laid bt!.
tort the Pot:se. should tilvrefore move as att
amendment, that the grant be 70001: lesis
the sum btatC4l, being ihe amonut of the
iencies. ()it this the Committee divided, when
there were— .

F.,r the Amenihnint
Against it . ' 153
. , . Ithjorit y -96

. On u grant of 49,195/.38.4d. being moved for,
the salaries of the Officers, end the -expenses of
the Victualling Office,
• A convertatitm of 'some length arose on the
soiled of the office of the Regiwar of Millie Se-
curities, in which Mr, Baring, Sir G. WarrCnikr,
Mr. Rost, and Air. Crolter participated. The
three gentlemen last nientioned, contended the
individual with‘vhom it 'rested to look into the
public securities, had a great deal of businessita
his Bands, and Was not Over-paid for his dot y.
It was not uncommon for him to ..laVe to ;vnquil e
into the Validity of the si:currtlei of 400 or 0
persons. _ _ .

Mr.l3,vntxo-replied, it wonlit be found on look-
ing more into thecsse, that. itiAtea 1 i,t 4{lO, he
had rug 40 securities upon the. 4tvcrogc to hives-
NeWPORT hoped the:scenritics were fillets
better care ut nu‘i, th.iii they were fOrtnerly in the
case of the Receiver tienc:•al. 'lt had some !sears
ago come ourfthat several Niembeei 'of i hat I-louse
were improperly toocertied iri the contracts which
were wished to know it the Luc Con-
tracts had been made in conformity. with the Act
which had passed concerning them. •„
Mr. CROKER hoped, with the Right 11011. 114".
Toilet, that thelecurities were, tnhen -better care
91 than they had beeit in the instance to which
he luttl referred. With respect to the contracts,
he did not know whether:they litl.euntained the
clause enjoined by the Act or not,• Its this did not
come within his department, He would endea-!
vene to inform himself on the subject, and let the
Right Hon. Baronet know. the ,result of his in-
quiry.
. The Resolution was then agreed to.

()it the- sum of. 3f1,86.91; 'being moved, for the
Salaries of rite Offieers,,Stc. of his Majesty's yards
of Deptford and Woolwich,
Mr; TIEM:EY objected to the offices of Com-
missioner to those Yolk being kept un. tic Con-
sidered him to cost the. country not less than
30001. per annum, .but supposing thii to be out
of the question, he would ask if there now- be any
occasion to keep up a Commissioner at even an
cspence of 200,0 t. a Yc.4r.
6ir G. Watittgiintsit' stateda Commissioner *to
these Yards to have been, first appniiited in 1806.
Stich an olfwer was found to cause a great saving
to the public, and he believed there wits 'little
ditircuce of qinioti tuuct4 naval t eu .uu the

b)tireq -of {itch %wire xi vie tivrirOsit ell,

A ter 4 ivw rvhiarAs tru•►i Miffing. 'LtIC-stAH
Mid Nit. CaoKL::, the shiotiou %v 43 te,teed to.

The folitokil% gr.ugs were then mover! and
rtl..fred to .

Fur On; Salaries of Oaken of Chatham D..cli-yard ,C 35,000
Ditto of Sheerness
Ditto of Portinimith
Ditto of Plymouth
42;:013002
Ditto of the Out-Ports
Ditto of the Foreign Yards

Un the. Note heing proposed of-1;112;960.1. 73. 6d.
for victualling the Officers and Alen cniployud on
Ilarbu(ir y,

Mr. BAttiNG called the attention of the Com-
mittee particularly to this item, ull ,t hick a de.
crease of ATI ; 0001 . rather titan an increase to that
amount, might Wive been exttected. This grant
with for victualling. the officers and men ivho'had
the charge of the ships laid tip in ordinary: The
men thus omplilcd, were maintained in 1813,
181-1, and 1815, at no expenee of one shitlinfr•
per dims, When .things (rad become su mucrt
cheaper, why was the country to be called upon
to pay at the rate of Is. Gd, per matt ?. The charge
waS stow 132,9001. 7s. ‘6d. it totQa to have been
not iiiurc titan 90,0501. Why was the COurity' to
pay the dtErenee between a shilling and eighteen
pence over what it had paid in the last three
'years .1:le knew it might easily be said, thatl
the Estimates of those years had tallen short ;
but it this argument were ninde use of, whlt
s:midd they think of those who had framed those
esti:woes, and nit sooner discovered their
cm dry ? 7he some manlier, the ohowatoee for
tlic ins.n in the service of the Covonts h:o1 heeo
by an order dated'Augobt 13,h, 1813, froto
one shilling and tivepeuee to one anti teupenee.—
This increased Simi had been paid to the Contrac-
tor for these oleo who was also their Cootooioder,
lie thought the Cootractor aod Alit! COMMander
ought never to be the same person, and he hoped
the 110,15 e wt,ald not give its Spielioll. to slick .1111
arrmogetoeilt, as it gave the Cummancle-r an inte-
rest in the absence of his men, and tended to make
him wily studious how to get them to take leave of ,
absence.

Mr. CaottErt raid the Estimates ball fallen short
ever since Idwi, (MCI the lion. tientleantu migta;.
therefore, be able to learn how this error had
first-occurred., •by consulting his Right !You.
Friend. From 1739 to 1798, the sum paid for
victualling the men had been the saute. lire the
last mullioned year, Mr. Pitt raised it from Sd. to
Is. per diem for each seaman, and to one
shilling each in.oi employed in harbour. In 'I i 306
the sum allov.c.l For the sea-going men wati found
insufficient, Anil it was raised to two and'
three halfpence . per man. The .allo•aiiitee "for
victualling the harbour men - Was nOt tin in...
creme. This was doubtless au oversight, and
it ‘‘•as not one that could be at tome detected,
as the sictualling of 3000 'harhntsr-men, thin;
imperfectly pi ovisled for, was not an item
that allowed much notice while the, war wits go-
ing Oa, and the number of skips laid. up in ordi-
nary was so small. Now that the number_ of the
ordinary men bad greatly increased, and ,that of
the sea- goolg men were diminished in proportion,
the mistake could no longer- escape observation.
The- Atithir*lty liudiAhcrefore, sate thi, occasion,
corrected the Listidoor`i, And bad. now Only -done
that which ought to have Lice,, done in 1806.
Mr. FtdREJMANTLR said the explanation of the'
Honourabte secretary wits perfectly still-slat:tory,
hut lie thought it would helve. been better had it •
been giVeti before.
Mr. CaoKe2 reminded the lion. Member, that,
on it former 'occasion, when the surest lots es at
brought forward, the Speaker Was rte tl.e chair;
he (Mr. C.) had spoken once, and he then ass (1,
if they would allow the Estimates to -go into tut':
Committee he should be Trvpared to afford every
explanation.
Mr. lisaisto said, he: Was willing .to admit that
the explotition of the Ilononrahle. Sceretary was
a satiSfactory one ; but still he thought the man-
ner. in' which the matter was. managed .waS. a
slovenly one.
Aft ei tome furtherobservationS front Mr. Croker,
Mr. Baring. Sir G. liope,Sir J. Newport, and Sir
J.' Yo.rke, the irestion was carried.
Untm the item, that 1,170.8,111: rs.' 6d. be
'panted to hilts najestv fur llalf-pay, Superannna-
tions, Allowances, Pensions; &c. is cimveriatiyu
ints--ited between Admiral Mai ktnim Mr. Croker,
and Sr G.: respe'cting the diffet ekes' of die
two services, Admiral Mat kit nit contending that
the Navy was' an oppressed service -compared to
ihe•Artny, with respect- to the systent of half-ply;
allavrahres, &e.

TIER N Y earnestly hored.the -AdmiTalty
would makt: sOnie rxertinns to place tile Navy
on the same respeetahlc tontine as the Army.
Mr, FoitaLs, was of opinilin that aliidavits should
be abolished as improper and liiiiiCcessary,
Sir U. WA RgENIMit ,teprt.TMOrt lit AC11141) of as.
g• two classes so totally (WI-crew front
each other as the aritiy and navy wetc, mid he
stated that last year I,i 26 midshipmen had been
promoted ley Lord! Melville tt the rank of Lieu-
tenants .without any interelt being made for
them.

Mr. 3. P. GliaolT wished to know bow 71 per
Ceiit; Wti9l'tanned ow oI tlie pensions nt I:Naent
Officers for the Ci..il
Mr. Can Kan rildied, "the Lords of the Atinti.
ralty doubting the propriety of so
Ow nutter to the. consideration of the,
Crown Liw Officers, whose report should he soon'
laid before the Muse.

It long conversation took . place between Air.,
Croket, Mr. 131aclitoi'd. and Mr. Votbei, the last
of whom chariv.ed the Lorili of the Aihntralty,-anil
eren•the 4scrctary, ,with refusing access to naval
offices, who 'niht ',What to see them. 'DIN Was
positively tleiliett.by the 3,c:retail, by Mr. BLit:ll.-
16rd, Sir 0. IVarrentler, anti other Alettibers, wha
tlepricatett the anxiety Mr. Foibes sliewed to•
trouble the }louse wit bevery imaginary grievance,
which be heard, anti whick was principally founded.
on noonyntons letters.

Tile Item) tion %vos then egiee(l to; as were
the Iteinktions telative to the Sttiterttiontottiolls,'
the Iroiltititg •Iteitaiting Ships-of SVar,, tha:
Trtiusport Otlicc, the '.'ratty; arc Service, the Sick,

• • 1-113(mot
11, 01 War, nn,
Cie C terks 'of the Tritnslotrt
The ilottye tikell rt-Nst:nef.l, tv)ti.itic-.lteport was
ordered to be brot.mitt tip this clay.
Mr...llaoooPti- brought ~p the Report of the
Committee of Supply of Friday last, the &Li:solu-
tions of which were agreed to.
l'he other Orders of the Day were then. dit
posed of, and at II:Of-past Two o'Clueis this
Morning the House od.Fintned..

I

FRENCH PAPERS.

ERECHIVED LAST NIGHT .3

CtIANIBEa OF DEPUTIES, hr.►rcii

The ►iiscussions on the details of ti►e Budget
were resumed. Sc+•eral Members spoke. Some
of the articles is proposed were agreed to, and
others anirendle►!, but nu final decision took place.
And the chrther consi►leration of the subjcLt was
adjourned till to-morrow.

Rum MAtten, 29.—The King still remains in

his •apartments.

The proceedings beforp the Council of War of
the first military Division, are preparing against
Almeshal de Camp Wpm!, accused ot baying
carried on a correspondence with the Isle ot 1411 hi.

Lady Wil,ou arrived at t'arislesterclay morn-
ing. A Journal was ill informed :in announcing
that Messrs. IVilson,, Bruce and
.llntehinson had
been trati4erred to the Coneiergerie. They are
still at La Force. Their trial will conic on iu thu
last fortnight in April.
• The following are the names of the individuals
comprised in the act of Accusation relltive to the
escape of Lavalette
Jean 134ptiste, Roquette de lierguisec Keeper of the Mai-
sou de Justice, Jaques Eberle, Turnkey, Benoit Bonneville
Thenrstie of Matt:tune LavaWtte, and Joseph Marengas, one of
'the Chairmen of the chair in which Lavalettc 'went ord of this
Court., of t he Conciergerie.

The seßtenee 'of depth on General Trai-nt is

commuted t) SO years imprisonment.

The Projet respecting the marriage estabiibhs
meat of the Duke de I*.ot.rry, with the amend-
ments of the Chamber of Deputies, wits ttgreed
to yesterday unanimously by the Chamber of
Peers.

:The commemoration of the assassination ,of the
Duke of Eughietti awakening till, recollections.,
there is a pleasure in recalling to mind the, anec-
dote of the spaniel which followed hint from
.Ltteinheim, and whiA.:exery day, after the death
of tai: master, went and lay down on his grave::
the Governor of liars!, it is said, ordered him to
be chained : he at last. to his barber,
after having. refused biro ton respectable mother of
a family, who,wished to attach thiS faithful friend
of the Prince.

They write, from Saint-Pol, that the Officer
commanding the English troops in that town bat
put under arrest two soldiers of that nation, acs
cuscd of having attacked in the roAci an inhabit
taut of the Commune of Ilernicourt.

FRENCH FUNPS.

6 per (.nits..

5,f. 40..

~kR~BINBtI Tull MCIitNING,)

RlS,MAlto}l29.—Tlie Princess Muria Caroline,
wholi to:be united to the Dike of lierry, is 60
issue of the first marriage of his Royal Highness
the hereditin'y Prince of Naples with Maria CU.'
mein ine,4aughter of the Emperor Leopold.
The Doke of ,klavre will receive at the frontiers
the Prin,..ess Marie Caroline. - •

The Lx-Gencral Mouton Duvernet, arrised,4
Lyons the 23d., and %vas conducted to. the prison
of Rouine. The horse gindir of Lyons went to
ii nnthri~oti to ivbitth pl Y
,cc,he hint
been some days dejained4at the Prefecture.
ha the Court of Assizes ut Paris, Ltickon and
Gogitet were condemned to death, for the murder
of!Hubert ()inky. The young wontau implicated;
of the name of May, was acquitted. It'appeared
on the trial that the pees Ons sCuteneed to deck
i.ormed part at' a band of robbers, some ot,wnotit
were sieented last SCS8:0113.

The French Acalleply held its first sitting' yes.
terdiiy. Its first business was the forniation of
the Bureau. The Doke of Richileti has beet, no-
Mitiated Presittent, and M. de Vontaines Vice.
President, The.Getieral Asseilibly of the Itt.ti.
tute Will be on the•24th of April.
The trial for nullity.of Marriage between Count
de Vainly and his Wife Will comtnence next `Fri-
day. The pleadings in this case will bring to
light some curious details.

Today at two o'clock, the wain-boat entered
Patis. The quays and barges were covered wilt;
people. It passed tinder one of the arthesof the
Bridge of 'Louis XVI. without any obstacle,
crossed the basin at the Garden of.. the Toileries,
and passed the Castle amid shouts of " %Nye le'
Rid ! About balf an hour after its 'arrival the
Duke of Angouleme went on 'boa, d.

A man named Eemonds, connuit:ed frrint Queen-
square Office, about three week 4 1,14e1,4, tor rk
cApital offence, cut his throat in Tothilfields
licidewell, yesterday triorniug, with the rai.Qt he
toed in s4aviag

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'o`,;" kGRA'CIif VIIIAL DISTRESSES.
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cONTINuATIos OF sEsEx's LETTER.

From nearly 50 years' observation„ it appears
to me that the rent of lands for agricultural pur-
poses has in most instances risen treble the value,
and in not a few cases tpladruple, effect on
the expenditure of the Farmer needs no 'explana-
tion, n.ar th.l re-action it has occasioned on all '
agricul t oral produce.
The iMprovements in agriculture, and the high
prices of Corn, hare caused farming to be, during
the last 25 years in particular, the best calling in
the natio:... Many farmers arc become rich, and
the great influx of mime), has introduced an ex-
. 'lraVagatit and eXpensire mode of living .among

.that class, to many of"which their great inconics
have prover Their. haul! : the most vNpensive of

wines and the choicest of viands are found at their
chtertalitmotts,:' ttittl t ht. der,ominat ion of labour-
lag farmers ii •' nearly become obsolete—tliat Of
,Gentleintti farmers occupies- the place. The kw-
metrie Inantities.of confinon land put into culti-
vation during the last mentioned 'years, and na-
tions at war returning to their former habits, tin
,limger requiring supplies,: along with proiperous
arvests, causes the supply to exceed theCott-
!sumption, and tenants corn be-
cause they cannot stflmist with their wonted siden-
ntnnr-; 'farms 'are forsaken, and cannot obtain te-
ltants, became the pro4tice- obtain tole trill -ifot
afford paying rent and grant a living. The un-
commonness of this state 'of'things causes it to be
c 035 idered as a ha rd far which all the re-
!in urecs of the nation are to.be. attacked to produce
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it instead of farms emocenpied, we take houses
and dwellings empty for want of tenants, it 'may
ira well to consider how the latter do proceed to
obtain relief.' 'DJ they go to Parliament and pe-
tition, though perhaps equally dktressed with the
tigrieultural landlords ? No ; he lottiers his !Tuts
till he obtains tenants, his tenant thereby in

Taxi enabiel to moderate hia profits 410' increase '
the sale of his'Commodities.- Cheapness increases

-consumption. •
What then intitles the agrietslitwil landlord, or
(h:s.tentint, either,, that he he upheld in a
:state.pf affluence bOrtleiing' on luxury, when all
(other daises of the nation feci the pressure of the
.sodden ellangeta.Cwell as Alley d,:
Suppose the owners of landed pioperty acted as
the ownets.of helms, do : suppose they consented
.to what was called in former times a self-denying
.orelintince, and I:thine:cif all. their Tent one quarter
from what thvy.noly are, for a term of years. Thit
-woald give it,Moile just awl liberal-relietto their
4cipott and.oonsku)trts ;it large, (at whose expeuce
they have raised these. rents fur a•quarter of a Ceit.
tury and upwards arid do more than the natlon,
tinder the general depressed,state of things, can
poAibly afford.

Not long ago it was mentioned in T.ng Stn.:,
that ii large farm had fallen out of lease at 60001.
);er ann. and nosy only 4080/. would be obtained
for it ;. a great defalcation, no doubt : !Inform.-
stately for the argument, the paragraph went -on
to state,. that this farm had .4cit originally raised
front one thousand ponntlll9 six thonsentel ! !
Bad harvests arercrierallv ebnipensated by high
rives. I recoileet in 1801, a Nobleman in the
Ilouse of Peers campassionating the humeri on
the bad crops. The Earl of VV%--7, stated, that be
knew afl instance Where a tenant of his, paying
hrie guinea per acre rent, having Sold the prance
of a field at 331. per acre. I cannot avoid suendB-
- that the calculations of four rents for the
tiucepro-
it of a farm isvery vague mode of judging.
In the agricultural coutarrepOrts no question is
more vagneityjinsivered than 'that relating: to
.tartness' pre) us. ,
dceition Of Parliament having clone away
the Proyerty Tax, the Landed uti' Agricultural
Interest still obtain thereby relief of four mil-
li(in4 and 1 11P.11 of taxel front what they paid last
.year The CU4NCELLOR of the Ekcnto.yEtt lia.v7
ing a!so relinquished the War Malt Duty, thus
nelrly seven millions, in ail, is. granted in aid of
agric:l,6l9 t) dioresses. It these legislative Occi-
sioas. dld not 'depend on men of hi:feted property,
kansegifently in a degree self-imerested
uttliri-
tl,t,,l,, the intim:nee cif the inrreased rents would
Lot hive bcen slur.aal over in Jr.:. IVESTEfiN'S
speech," %she), from tfnntef lec!ings lot himself and
brethren, and the high rank of .his ''auditory,-did
d,mht deem it 'both impolite and impolitic to
loneti ott each a tender thing. ht. ifif to be hoped
hit the relimplishMent of the Property and ‘Var
li,ittlaaltstill -stittice, and prevent farther calls on'
11,eotlit.r distressed (lasses, of the nation, who
get no relict', and arc yet to cOntribiste,. It is also
to he hoped that- the ametultnent of, prices will
ate left to its natural coarce, without being
lo forcible WWI'S caused to ri,C:O,l the consurner
to. what!) thosg ,hl9py days when .whaat id
_l2os. to 160 s. per quarter, are days of grievous
iecollection:
The probitocy Acts recominended by Mr. Wes-
TENN may and trill rouse other nations to retri,
burin), Act)), and such have already been in Mall
ii.,ati4ins adopted against our mannfacturel,'lmt
May. K. the means to farce some of -our tinotufac:-
turers to go nod eat bread not made of English
itrain, and thus ctwomers be lost. which cannot

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btu reeovered.
ascri bey the decrease of the use of barley to
leicrctoed use of WitlB and spiritB, Rimou ge_
bczrat Auloviot thc.•illperivr O 1 fitroiert,whe