The Sun.
London, England, 1842-03-05 00:00:00

rrfere 0 gnai: , But if incursions should be made into the territory
iestha .
7.;;,...;.10:11Yt
of Spain,
army, and if money should be raised by
Ge es_s_losa vernments, to support the war against the existing
Cc ,olifferent olic shthoenli
country.—(bcCh
1 P.?, rtrnent offer: Y u '
. if r. 11,,perhaps, it might be advisable
pueerres.u)ed on the part of the
tole Eel 0
,t 1.,`-' `,ONNELL said flat if he had misunderstood the
VT • "'uteurable Baronet rst the head of the Government, he
. sure to It. .
;Io 1.0
dust
ofa c get Honourable
glionoureible Gentleman would he obliged
a•-e,
0,,t• affording him an opportunity of explanation. He
time in Aienell) had nn derstood the Right Hoourable Gen-
-6 decided approval of the general c on-
Itgli t he Pressent Government of Spain. He hoped the
tete, Honourable
1 which that baronet did not approve of the cruel perse-
-1 cle'fil i net i. Government was carrying on against the
13r he e„,„.TI Y tar the clergy belonging to the Carlist party,
aga, he
e;?,ll'iat complain of the laws being enforced, but
''seen, e,,,,t'T'gy who had remained true to their legitimate
lalirt to --;:i" -had held high situations in her service ; he
tole'? eAI orgy tithe Archbishop of Toledo, as an instance.
eve : -`a 1 had been subjected to the most cruel persecu-
Tht' 'liallwroh,been passed. for seizing the temperalites of the
iities -i,* had b'' leaving only a nominal allowance to the clergy. ; . it th eu carried into effect as regarded the ternpora-
ki;Tail lof ne alhavrances had been forgotten. He did not
%I.'" h 14;1; it was matter of internal regulation, with
Pres deei se4 had 40 right to interfere. But it appeared that it
Perel . 11\1.1nake the clergy assist in the conveyance of this
kg. its 001 '", althollgh they would not oppose the law tak •
rd, tb e.,.• ; they objected to taking any active part in assist.
mouser trillrePtnee cif the property trom the Church ; and
, it orce them to join in these conveyances, some
talie,,Piess o 11f, them had been immured, and while
wh, , tir .ea',, had been subjected to the i greatest cruel-
...,,e''', iiiejsew:hey would not actively join in that
64.1 t as still l'e
prepare„i passively to submit to. The
knits; II hero,. stronger, because, when the parties were
ices •
at fir: the Courts of Justice they were allowed a
krs4 part,;t,
.and when they were. allowed, the trial of the
lye' bi•ougit'ts
tdid not terminate until the counsel themselves
14.114 thee,„ L'efore the tribunals, and punished for being
4 It. ',c) age, tu,... tie did not wish to trespass on the time of
te, , 4 ' to prove' if )iie were to apply for a Committee he would
es, ;`ll .if the unrelenting cruelty of Espartero in that
le, (tsi e °hies! re volution were about to take place, and if it
lathe le Codi"a establish one religion in the place of another,
at ii, Prep to
should not interfere ; hut the proceedings
II" tit, 'lit- ease rather resembled the Jacobinism of France
QatYret, siste,te.deif:tbe National Assembly.—(Hear, hear, . hear.)
the Ch 1 for aelw no respect. It was not the substituting ono
ee, eit Srs h t;:°ther; but it was the giving of the property. of
1i,„.,,,tii., , the military, and the treating the clefg!: with
at, '-'e Ati "e complained of. He thought that if the Right
lee iule'se twain were aware of all the circumstanees he would
4 ie 4 f°„.,11 such proceedings; but it was vain to apply to the
,ttat,liej •or'eP.air,o, and he was sure that he would be able to
sal v hl , Iv' Committee of the House the truth of the facts
sks!Rnet
Ia( jii he hoped that the British Government would not
:, t,,, Government ef Espartero.
to , 'EI. said he did not express any opinion with re-
"eses'eti ts isoartl:ular acts of the Spanish Government. Nothing
(kt tia am or so presumptuous in him as to adopt such a
8 ,Ilt trfer,„• WQuid adhere to the course he always adopted of
tes;;lie.o-,4 with the particular acts of other Governments.—
htir' hey ,;•1 Soon alter they came into office they found a
th, :hi; bfes'eitxreet,ted against the Government of Esartero,
he i„'Fset of ,".e two Governments friendly relations existed,
to ,J tie which conspiracy was to meet in the dead of night
o') ~ attack on the palace of the Queen of Spain, and
toss 'theleher person. If that attack had succeeded, the
~,st jeo-elPri of Spain would have been placed in the
44 s `ll' ie 1)4.11Y, and the British Government felt, though not
Ist eht" aa it weear.,lfermity with the law of nations, it was their
kiss eeins. , of all Governments between which friendly re-
%,;41 ate \v.° di to do every thing in their power to diseounten-
ts 4, !lite,. sieked efforts, and that such scenes as took place in
lets t 11ei,.,'" be discouraged-_( Hear, hear)—and they felt it
*et alt!attui_tity to give every aid to the' Government of Espar-
)tee' e i, eq. Purposes; but with respect to particular acts, he
iiiet clann either approbation or disapprobation of the
4e IP; ien to
in them. —( Hear, hear.)
leop-mt tit Ii I IMICK was much relieved by the answer which
,t, leit at t01,°9• Baronet had given to the question which had
i.„': dt t "'le, because, the Right Hon. Baronet stated it to
eshilt esu7inination not to interfere directly in the affairs or
anl a object derwestie arrangements of Spain, but that it would
eatti Is 4,, and his wish to increase generally the advantages
11est,°ee 7res'S of that country which, he hoped, would always
Ist". betiL° friendly alliance with England he (Mr. Borth-
IN. trere'reti that the -whole statements made with reference
pit Issilasktion, were exageerated • it was pretty well known 1
Itts, aPe's Vitt Don Cados'had, on' his own part and on the Ilasj,'lliet th enerals disavowed all intention whatever to inter-
% s,!'eet ts aY would abstain from any measure which had for
.ti 'leen 7 upsetting of the present Government of Spain, or
111, al 4 Its stead any ether form of Government. The
Lae wealth
its
has „ of Spain was almost without limit, her moral
f teederY great, her internal wealth and internal moral
Vs N ie. d have
(i . itself developed themselves greatly for the interest
'll'llt, 'Pale) 11, greatly for the advantage of Europe if that coun-
. eh NI I. a.,u been left to settle her own affairs, according
ketewlek i 44104 lons, ago.—( Hear, hear.) What he (Mr.
tkis'tee4 Protested against was, that there should be any
:t?., °I S, '4l the Dart of England in the settlement of those
tt %aid peseAln• If -England sympathised with that country, S, at he' `u, Pathise with her as a nation. 1.1 England held
t%
~,'lhal. tlli'L ef generous friendship to Spain, it was impos-
ay.,ae e e Prophesy of the Right Hon. Baronet should not
%e h', ths-sri satisfactorily realised. He (Mr. Borthwick)
Mein eten't‘whatever influence could be legitimately used by
tit t fele rte ene°vernment would be exerted for the purpose of
lis: eget ion"' to the persecutions of the clergy of Spain, and
tkt Ital fac -1e1a.13 would be exerted without reference to any
fie,
). IN ntit'h whatever. He considered that the Spanish I W, ere 'se'n'ducted them. selves with great credit, and that
kts eel44l,4tillecl to ever protection.—( Hear. )
e/W the (3•C- had onl -Yone observation to make with re-
‘st erk. "ebservations) cf the Hon. and Learned Member
Likish`oe Branthought it was somewhat exaggerated to say
esto„eiv,:h clergy had been treated in the same manner
-.'t -.‘i tl'!:' 'r Frawce were durin the French Revolution.
aslatess._ like the HOtt• and Learnedg Gentleman to name an
tstliedl4which the blood of any clergyman, or of any other
kt‘i t trgyreae: „ailed, except in the heat of the late conflict.
Itesses - had been bayonetted or shot as in the Jacohini-
147'tatetoen?f the Freneh -Revolution. He protested against
1 titreottici
prs,:: And he
, he
if the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
i‘st ' CPCo]&4',,_na,t he had stated that he would do so.
.14 5, Cif Eeparter:tee. said he had referred to the general con-
wl•
i V kal 4 tI;
lbat f , towards the Church • it was
precisely the
spirltuaine 9- se Ja • '
the+. cobinical Government of France, namely, t. tevertirnent complete master of the Church,
ts,hs eis, te,Y aid tern
NI, a *liSen if h ?ovally. The Hon. and Gallant Mem-
- ''' 'ihe .1 he supposed there had not been a massacre
at'lel eLskys,c,,e„rgY to Alad i 1.
tit;r,,ttier that"l-4"S said, he believed he should not be wrong
tie7ri there was toed in which no less than
He
1,,,,
1.1 "1, been put ath, by being thrown over a
kit'ti,, "s'e felt great sfactioen in hearing that the principle
'•i.l.l,lerference would bo adhered to, and he trusted the
tliir';eti 4; .seho had introduced the question, would also feel
t eli!',l 'tom the fact, that there would be no more quad-
anees, and no more British Legions.—( Hear. )
tt ~:!' 11, pt, CORN BILL.
+y sue et s'-,PAL said, he had determined to move the second
"ts al 'ue Corn Bill on Wednesday next instead of Mon-
-1 ! seost convenient day.
V4O THE NAVY ESTIMATES.
ku r, %. THE then went into a Committee of Supply, and
li,tki. bIIERBERT rose to bring forward the Navy Esti-
'ti 'le th
)01ie, h ought he should best consult the convenience of
44,;11ei1,b Y not going into eeery detail of the estimates now
Ott, silt
thut he. mould merely give a general view of the diffe-
il that estineates, and an explanation of the increase and
b Nte tt au•
iold aet is taken place in them, as compared with the
olititl,),
ar4;(.3sut...yea.r ; he' should alse explain as fully as
Irm 1131,,, t tie of the alteratient that had taken place. He
it. fst. 0 etate the alteration in the number of men re-
kl
It
the
NavY . d• h • • and state
%4_ bellow_ e as ( Jrnpare with last year ,
,11to thi.
county
of the general opinion that ships ought not
isst° tlii,,'ithntry except with their full complement ; to.
It IPteted eY preserved the same number of men, it must
kit
ertleits all that
„ there must be a smaller number of ships.
)liar I,lfith, L'e had heard, from the best naval authorities, he
4svyl'ault th?-t a reduction in the number of ships, and no
ot, IN,' he number of men, would not make the
Otilt°, *fficient in maintainino• peace, than a tilt 4e 1 '-'
• regard
ki P.te r -ess efficiently manned. With
:lkir,.4t • 'ed head, there was a small diminution
lilt," tit, 4'1_,11 consequence of the increased price of provisions.
:'4lll. ae,e. elauralty-office there was a further increase ren-
-41'4,.. -office by superannuations, but the increase was very
isteildl/4',U, aid regardi to the Registers%office there was no
0111 ue en , wnen he came to that head in the estimates,he
iN AN anted ive the House some information.
i t *titheeeothad been made in the scientific department, in
41)4 silt additional surveys and printing scient:fic works.
teti7ta ex t that the House would not grudge any money that
t'estklie at liePerided for such a purose. Upon the establish-
. stt 4144111 e there had been pa
small decrease. Upon the
1,1',' 14tItal ItktSewab toad there had been an increase of 1,000. 1t
.
taept ek Ise a small decrease upon works at home, bu
4:t,t thltek.s. Zoltl works abroad to the extent of 1,900/.
„c iti,iti .e • h 1,000/• extra for artisans. In naval
1,., ptie °a of thanebeen a slight decrease not from any
.
4.ll.Nig:' ' Ni,,,quantity of stores, but from a diminution
1 ~1,,e1i the y th"" he was upon the head of stores
t ;:,er the atoms he believed there never was any year iu
t ~:ia.e,, head ' were in a better state than at present.
t eetegiielo-".
i.2f machinery there was 10,0001. extra for
entrY esia'ai }l, Ihe next item on which he had to make any
L'itle;r`le di-"at of
.New Works. On this head there was
e:_ltisheseet,, once in the estimates of last year and those
'w 1.1,, the s,L'ars At Woolwich there had been built a large
‘f,r4ltte,
„tali,
toiliv!etting
t4rtiee," ilit's•Pose... eof docking steamers to be repaired. There
ees: alsel°f Pre'" sum expended on engines, &c. for the
fires in dockyards. The Government
ta )1W la tervice a sum of 10,0001. surplus of last year
Wei, 11%, Ltdee to
c pl. h those works. Another source
I's
[Me; 101 l sev;e:itiltie laayiner downl of pipes and several tanks for
iietkll3,
kiss es or °tkyards, for the purpose of having access to
ds the absence
Nis
„etel!sent
sernergency. In some dock-
eh is,l lien,
ornY fire fora great length of time had engen-
the 410434 o ,` negligence in that respect; so much so that
hel me 14 then "a're forgotten where the water-cocks were ,
4:4 gee be-°se cocks were so covered with timber that before
du at he!nt at in cases of fire, the flames would have
qtv,--q,,,,_4, rialss. The whole expenditure on this head
al, rue'ltitte'""ui. The House would see, however, that_
1 vet- ,I. reared a large expenditure, it was economy in the
iqt y , expenses on forges for making anchors was
i:'ithe':lottelt i.r.lesable. There was also an additional slip
k tal, (1444 'lath. It was necessary to make a great outlay
at 3e'ltke r' becaus the soil and
RI, eat
~ nee t,_ se was. gradually giving way,
RI,
i ,44110,, He wharf-wall inclined out towards the seain
tif`„tlsee't oil e'ull, manner. It was well known that a ship
le(.1 ruin, - S"P lasted much loner than if she were not.
.ott, elk, 1 ollaneous estimates thereg would appear an increase
kf
22' „,4,.?r the l• belt, takenf part of the expenses of last
4411. leuty. e Ih.salf-yagy list theorre would appear an increase
tialishry the .4 the estimates for freight for the army
1. or the
„..tkoltainver_ ease was nearly 44,000/. For the
ItiN % "eat iii..,.'en there was an increase of 20.000_ _
../..•
batee„,e Ist
.6, u'a contract there would be required 240,00(u•
't r - form "!3', instead of 80 000/. as voted by the last Par-
eelllll4 °tl. Th.
‘,B:tltltttii,l:4 Iszoevoilo.tis three Months. This was in order that
a be placed on those entering into this
e-pt t. ot °colt ls concluded the estimates for the year. He
ii,t' tall there the House with any further observations, ex-
tll ,itek . w
akt
t etiii %ow, .. entum to the fact, that there were other
IN arid th u.1e,1 in those which did not properly belong to
the Illaerei at In votir, six millions, they were not voting that
Ili is at,n4t f°r the Ns g '
k'elit
pa-wee, for tiaa'pri He found that the expendituret
e, invii; was near' theory, year, Was 640,000 e, a sum
hwehair la
its °l3O/ e Present Yas
large as its revenue.—( Hear, .• )
p„, e for the estimate there wasincluded for troop-ships,
illkt illiellt, 10„r,,,_artny and ordinance 247,0001., for the home
eeoeo "e bst• 'A/. Now in conclusion, he would state,
tei . alp-, .imates had been framed with the strictest view to
t t wnteh there •
qe redore „es eoirements of the public service would per-
*hike, wag nothing oftarge amount which could possibly
4r had g' and e Apt, wo always , ! trusted that that liberality
e Ale' 114 114 been displayed towards this great national
e,,e4er the be wanting on that occasion. The Hon.
es,,,gliles"a.olnoved that 43,000 men be employed during the
p t;`l,_ 2. 000 Z•rf r the sea service, including 10,000 Royal Marines,
ofte.seitt
...t4z41.73!.--.1 jotthiedquestiori having been put that the pre-
the
tiaolly iposliEtinonrtnoset: and saij, that he did not mean to
:433 aritl'iutae,ntlemen. r
orate
ip3tpusairet,ofhtehteheosutgimhtatethsamt
iofvedthebrye
skewer' wern!nt desirable in those estimates, it was that
.11,..e.0_U1d not refrain
eel 7,te conaiderably increased in justice both to officers
from' complimenting the prc.