The Sun.
London, England, 1842-06-29 00:00:00

TURBOT. • - .Arleitintion lIUMPHERY complained of the enactment
rfwhich related to fish, " that all fish of British take, whither
esh or cured, should be imported duty free, with the excep-
n of turbot." Why should turbot be singled out ?
(Laughter. ) They should recollect that turbot had been al-
ways free; at any rate since any gentleman in that House
could recollect. Why should turbot he made to pay a duty ?
After a short conversation the matter dropped.
ONION SEEDS.
Mr. T. BUNCOMBE
wished to draw the attention of the
tßeuse to the third class of articles in the Tariff, that of seeds.
eliad given notice of his motion, and he hoped the Right
~ °O. Gentleman was now prepared to agree to his motion.
4t wailuroposed to continue the duty on onion seed for one
Year at s guineas a cwt., whilst the duty on leek seed was only
" Now there was no difference whatever in the appearance
of leek and onion seed, arid it was the intention of the Right
1100. 'Gentleman to have postponed the duty on both
te edl till July, 1843, but as the duty on leek seed
act been agreed to, it was not possible to postpone it.
Ile o.lr. Buncombe) did say, that if they postponed the duty.,
°0 either for a year, they would be guilty of a gross and pal-
liable, injustice to the working classes. The Right lion. Gen-
'stoat' took some credit to himself for the alteration of the duty
telion seed, which he proposed. The proposed alteration
''S, first to ss. ; some seed dealers apphed to the Right Hon.
iheell„le. man and it was then raised to 20s. The dealers found
t night Hon. Gentleman so pliant, that they said they would
f) him again ; to him. they went again, and the consequence
as, that the alteration of the duty, from eight guineas to 205.,
%7a.s postponed for a year. lief(); e the Right. Hon. Gentleman
Co
rented to postpone this duty, he had boasted, arid justly so,
c'f the benefit that would be done to the working classes, espe-
telailY in the manufacturing districts. Was it fair that this al-
,lration should be postponed for one year? Numerous contracts
Itialki already been entered into to supply onion seed, on the faith
utat the duty was to be lo yered. Was it just, then, that these
, should be made to sur
tendontht e people should he made to
il.licri for the sake of eight or on merchants in Essex ?
th.e onion seed that was used for the support of the poor of
country was not grown here, but in Lisbon. He could not
tweiy tke proposed duty on onions should be postponed for
eye months, and not upon leeks carrots, and other articles
e "astqtion. Lisbon onion seed' could not be sowed in this
t-t?ttyry, and the duty ought to be removed altogether. He
"4°11...At the course pursued by the Vice-President of the Board
IntL„lA was urijust to the poor; and he should, therefore,
out, tha.t the words " with respect to onions" should be struck

het:
.GLADSTONE could
hisassure the Hon. Gentleman that
w.... 4 (yawn widely upon imagination with respect to
the' had taken place between te iarties he had alluded to and
Board
of
Trade. The communications that had taken place
teette bittatttearnandnot by word of mouth, so that it was lnl.•
le n advantage- could be given to a few over the
iell. He could assure the Hon. Gentleman it would be the
,1,01. the .Government to see that onion seed was not impro-
setid
uadtuit.!ed, but it was impossible that the Government
fes slmilate the duty on onions and leeks. according to
had
rig of the e House. On the principles on which thehouse la(
Le tt7 indulgence in other cases, it ought to grant it
of :ee Present. Indulgence had been granted in the case
the cork cutters, the Irish provision merchants, and the
itee4efril°,l's; and he could see therefore why it should not be
th - In the present case. It there was any case in which
efe,ll3: oposed changes was likely to be severe, it was in the case
°llly t..°l'°ll growers. He was sensible if the consumer was
theniau be considered, that it was desirable the proposition
Marti e,-
.immediately take effect, but they were not the only
lh, ra tO be considered. He felt bound,..therefore, to oppo
so,Position of the Hon. Member, belie.tingth. at in doing
lied Isauting with justice, and upon principles which the House
iv repeatedly recognised.
IC. Alderman H UM PH ERY supported the proposition of the
eelit„. Aelerober for Finsbury. . ,
(kir' HUME - submitted that the Right Hon. Gentleman 1
eo4,9ladstone) had made out a case for the alteration pro- 1
the Co} the the Hon. Member for Finsbury. The proposition of
their 'refitment was actually against the growers, and not in
'avour.
CiettLP• BARING said that it had been shown that the
kid pu officers could not distinguish leek seed from onion seed,
We., I the clause remained as it was, the dishonest importer
1,01.714 bring in his onion seed as leek, whilst the honest man
Ale, ,PY the full duty ; so that if the Government did not
the 3 La a
leave their tariff in a ridiculous state, they must levy
?pie duty upon the two kinds of seeds.
rele,j DUNCOMBE said that the Government had been
ollitt-' °Y the representations of a few in holders of
ill th Seed. The growers of the seed were really not interested
sir question.
diets gees were then ordered to withdraw, and the Committee
-ed. The numbers were—
For the resolution.... S3
For the amendment
on Majority in favour of the resolution
Ai the reading of the item " Cork," , .
titedr„. T• DUNCOMBE brought forward his motion that
14 -"`Y 00 corks squared or rounded should be reduced from
to 4
xi, per cent.
(14totiiqtnGetLiiAiriD. STONE was by no means prepared to accede
He was now more confirmed than ever in the
line °4l which led him to oppose the former motion of the
.....
%lie- -!entleman. '1 he Hun. Gentleman was acting upon the
tt 4"
P:44 of a few dealers in corks, whose interests were b_ y
teptratis the same as those of the journeymen, whose cause he
ft,." he was advocating.
ihsiO.gers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Committee
. "•The numbers were—
. For the resolution
Po
.• . r the amendment 74
ra , Plejority
to pass 'O,IIN RUSSELL said he could not permit this Bill
Neje...! without offering. a few remarksan upon it. He much
labs at the passing of Bill, on the principle
.Iserlri., ,by the Right Honourable Gentleman on
lilt v,"elhg the measure, and afterwards enforced by
tioe lee-President of the Board of Trade. They were prin-
k: which were certainly considered sound on this side of the
here, and on which the Government proceeded to act last
eke, But the misfortune was, that in the application of those
lurNes, there had been a very great deficiency
foiciPlAeing them to some of the most importanwtittrtrieclePse_eietf
Kppr,,duce ; and with respect to the chief articles of the
•tLthee and consumption of the people, there
Sen.7°,l an utter refusal to apply them. Various
NL-5 'had been stated for so
3051refung to apply them.
d'4i1,14T,19 and butter a duty of 25 or per cent, was maine
;4'll 1'.11.•,,11ie ground that the revenue could not afford the re-
-44theun 'coffee a high differential duty was maintained,.
t „et 1 !tof foreign coffee thereby kept up, it being admit-
tedl ahte°,l4ty 'itself was quite indefeasible. On sugar a
t's..4 ttei ;4 khibitory was maintained, upon grounds i e.lating
riat,ir ei'.e,,' There was another article which was not in the
11,41114e„7,°,i,te- -important article, to which all the argumenit,s
I,Tefierei'Lied bui to which the Government refused to eel? )
Pa* ttri,,,ee'Ples'—tliat article was corn.—( Hear, hear. ) NVitb
L7,,,nl at NI ' and otatoes, it was argued that to admit ,
ute ie„: ,IL eh a.pP rate would be for the benefit
r tlitYlue• . This - was a good argument ; then why it was
-We ' .-ed to. c 119
dtfficult to understand. While, there-
ktae': h,re.altilitte In i l
he general principles of the tariff to be sound
9e he ne could not see that this House would (obtain all the
°t b,,,0, it that had been anticipated, while so many of those
fieryki_-",f"t'C' of consumption were omitted from the tariff,. while
lthat- St? much less -importance were included. It might be
aet;;,' uY establishing those sound principles with respect to ,
,litlet.,,':es, they were thereby establishing a Weis on which to ,
4tia -- '4 future, and that the duty on other more important
Incese'ilt, (11 as sugar and corn, would be altered according to
•., , 0%4014 times of prosperity that might
tta. c lei ` "s* In h t the present year
ees e,„ -r argument to use, u .
ss-liitr-- an ordinary peliod for the interests ofh the
ettbept It; and it was most essential that they s oude
blialp stu, e Means for revivinss industry and improving thra 1.1
,1, ge'we',refore, he was glacrthat any such Bill as this s ou (
.:,410. 'ld exceedingly regret that the great power 01 the. pre-
ei.:,roae-,:!rntilent should nut have been applied, to allowing the
'gee -"col of great articles of consumption, at a moderate
1t4300,1tr duty. No man would deny that, if they had made
011 'n-a," ill conformity with their principles, it would have
eulih:. tueir ower to have carried them. Another year they
iresii,ol°..t have it in their power to do so, as the advocates of
`lt ee / Were always powerful. He regretted, therefore, that
41,,tY :4Potver of the present Government had been thrown
17 el "tid that while establishing good principles, with respect
i'htt, e eß,reetit many articles, some of them unimportant,
"Sie° ,`"e greatest and most important were left out, or st.ill
„tirelte.e° a duty of thirty or forty per cent., and some to duties
Fl.4iee, Yrollibitory. It was no use to say this will be a con-
,°l44:Pei', your system, one which could not last, and which
,wtil,i-t",lllat ely be swept: away, and he regretted that the op.-
t:* to he had not now been taken of making reductions aocotrde
ile ,e, Principles which the present Government, and h .
syltrer tt..tY:.i-that House, had affirmeol to be the only sound :
7tre,eqlclie 'plea on which to establish their commercial
:en,,lirelliesertEottg )PE.EL said he should be sorry, at the
etillie close BERT
the discussions on. the tariff, to introduce .
trews`. Partaking of the asperity of. mere party feeling.
IsPesed to acknowledge that this measur had received
Iteetro., general acquiescence, both from the friends of the Go-
-4 th-e.tit wild th pp dto it. Nor would he be tempted
TateeiP'eech of (;17eoNabolee Lord to withhold his acknowledge-
hss"l4-; vise
'Nilo t With respect to the general principles
--mbe tariff he r • d that the remark that those principles
ilid• " bon to owned
the
ptshres -rdially
4.,1,,,,,p,it let wed
from
the Noble Lord, that in 1825 he had
nieor-eepemradted with Mr. Huskiss.on in his mea-
.;Nt te°ll.intercial reform,_ and the same opinions he had ap-
th4-"etcnisideration of the present tariff. That tariff he must
tlitte "uitetr
lee to jue Y and the I ouse to judge as a whole ; he must ask
'l‘ "Nee 'ge whether any Government could have made any
Lo,he Noht, (thange in the tariff with such a general acquiescence.
1,4, wi} te Lord said they did not carry the reform. farednougtlt 0
(1-eelle eorrde: Pthe
_° ra
proposalsy were better than those of the late
fltllrekiitlilopotlesneti,
,Withrespect to sugar certainly no alte.rat.ion
considerations perfectly distinct
4,._ these
whichont it was ond
eiri;ll%
r.estedo
fio. nther articles. The objection to
° grounds, which they thought ex-
„..4lliele,,,,BlNar f
r
o
mn streeloLther principle which regulated
.the
Eft, b 1 tariff. lie did not wish. to revive the discussions
iT, eekq. unt when they came to legislate on it, they AO,. ,i eenstderations which did not appear in
were met
discus-
-42 th-ett!. With re,spect to the whole tariff, he could 'not
e..lCO'elsl-"lng that the reflective portion of the community
sesnrriz,nik thatnthestild 4,- tt, diet:re topinion from the Noble Lord, and that they
1a
exercised the influence of the Go-
entNt, 0,-"elur a wiseY purpose, and that they had effected as
/9tre;,:allge in the commercial system of the country as
~,,,,,,....,,, . :tfieecatu,,dio,:ithout violent disturbance of interests,
isr°ro their long duration could not be touched without
eseee,
In bidding adieu to the question he,
LOaltelZ tioleed that the object of her Alajesty's Government
rible, tiet•tainad, and that, doing as little individual injury as
took ibis great raoasUre would promote the commerce of
eli'ector.d. jrYollB.l!‘,l,ditguivse
sne,w opeuings t. o ii 5 i iiiluttry. - (t. beers. )
the eu° aPPeal ELL in.explanation, said that he had
ls. Pree,,,,t„, to party feelings, neither did he say_ that.te
.7te QO7 elovernment had hrroowed the principles from tt
Cep e errunent• He merely lamented that the principles had
,i-eeti More vvidely a Plied. He hoped that the Right Hon.
lf(l.o4leintitv;iitlld be fullPy juslified in his expehelation, and that
ettii3::oeritviiientilionarssell) might be mistaken on t e snb'ect. But
ii4e • V. SMll:sse4 lie did. feel baund to express subjected
were
, - , but it was without any wish to raise any dis-
i4ciii et' nifference
eeri. Whet votiktil eb.netrtehatedffthet RfightsH.non. Baronet to con-
004' i this part of the
i:ll;llpThhooutillsithtaitpidtreatconsi consisted de • lee of
passing
of manual labour,
becamein.s the House t7pause before they made
of e• OLA
ehitrade ,nriDeSomTIN.E said the farmers had come,..to the Board
tee, 0 rnss
title :t they the
(Hear.)
the shoemakers were benefited,
lore n loathe.P,.7(Bll4wutlld be injured, by the proposed re •
:Istliehallut Ho vi said the *great evil, after all, in conneetin
'4hiclk duties of that kind, was the sliding scale, in defence of
tr udt'etblii,e,.sinvrel: argument had been offered' in the coursee
&e",ti they ei.' .e 1 z,t. h !thath the day would soon trriv ,
Otero cane 014SC11, subject, with a view to effect a
,sEtnsa.id he
k m satisfactory settlement.
'
tt r• RINI
le ern klemght it was impossible that the ctotri.e-
te& t hilezetotult(i
I:titorn ,&teot..taltitained, utiles* they es ablished a free re.ds-
~lr
Z, ,It wouhld"bel could relieve the ceuntry from it di
Abe impossible, without further changes, to
tEryLii,lpea, and quiet.
was true ,
awsisiihaTbto a s le,
stated
in Right e Hon.
::gite;holher itßatas
t papers, that
iN French ordinance had raised ethe sCluty npon English ;ken
ga't.,‘ll 20 per cent
.had and alto that the Prussian League had