The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-03 00:00:00

GROUP V.

The evidence of Mr. Giles (in continuation from our Afternoon
Edition of yesterday)—The viaduct into Sheffield he thought con.
structed in the best possible manner, but he could not give an opi-
nion as to the value of the property beside it. He thought
the height of the piers Were 25 feet, and he was of
opinion that they would not interfere prejudicially with the
nsarket. He believed that there would be sufficient stone taken
from the cuttings on the line to construct the stations, &c. He had
also a list of the borings, some of which he had examined, and he
was of opinion that the different strata on the line were most fa,
vourabie.

Cross.examlned by Mr. WIIATELEY—He did not anticipate any
danger from the fact that the viaduct at Sheffield would be built
over a coal formation, because he observed that near the pro-
posed line they were building churches, large houses, and manu-
factories of infinitely greater weight than a viaduct
20 feet high. lie supposed, from the existence of that very fact,
that the coal had not been exhausted. He considered the first ten
miles from Sheffield very heavy work, but he was confident there
were many lines heavier.
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Sir J. R. REID—If you were asked to lay out a line having re-
ference to these coalfields, and communicating with Chesterfield
and Sheffield, would you adopt this line ? Mr. Gibbs—l would.
Mr. flawkshaw, C.E., said, that without examining the line, the
sections and plans were sufficiently explanatory of the engineering
works upon it, and he fully agreed in the opinion already given by
Mr. Gibbs, and on a preceding day by Mr. Vignolles.
The Committee adjourned till to.morrow.

GROUP W.
DRAYTON AND GOOLE ILAILIVAIr.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday. )L
Cross-examined by Mr. WILKINS —Did not know whether :stone
could come down by railway. A considerable portion of this :stone
came from Bradford. About 30,000 tons came from tin lifax,
and the districts on the Manchester and Leeds line. Pro bably
half of the wool that goes from Goole goes to Bradford. Th, ought
that if the Wakefield, Pontefract, and I'oole line were made direct
and saved four miles in the distance, it would be a pre'.eratile
one to the Brayton and Goole line. The cost of carriage for sugar
f(01.11 London to Leeds was Bs. 4d. per ton. Of this sum. ss. was
fk-ir the sea carriage, and 3s. 4d. by canal. if the rail charged 2d.
per ton per mile, the canal would be a cheaper mode of con veyancc.
The Leeds and Selby Railway Company made an offer to take his
goods at a low rate from Selby to Leeds, but he preferred is con-
tinue sending them by the Aire and Calder canal.
By Mr. Brass—Shipped 2,000 tons of coals twice in Nov ember,
and twice in December last year at Goole, for London. IL was a_
Winning trade. It came by boats from York. He is at present
under a contract to ship 700 tons weekly from Goole. The time of
the commencesnent of the contract did not depend on the construction
of any railway. Co-jd not say of his own knomieJge where the stone
that beshipped tio GocZec4rao from. t 0,240 tono pf_ senerdl

Mr. Hamer Stansfield, examined by Mr. KNowLEs—Was Mayor
of Leeds last year. Was oxtensively engaged in trade with Ger-
many for the last eight years. Had a house in Hamburgh. Ex-
ported from 300 to 400 tons of worsted stuff goods annually.
Before the Hull and Selby line was made his goods went
to Goole for exportation. When the line from Selby to
Hull was made, he changed his shipping port for
null, but if the present Brayton and Goole line were laid down
he would go back to Goole. His reason for so doing would be the
increased facility for dock accommodation, as well as being a more
direct line (saving a distance of twenty miles), and also the
cheaper rates which the competition would necessarily
cause. The proposed line would afford greater accommodation
than the Wakefield and Goole line.

Cross.examined by Mr. WILKINs—Had shares in the York and
North-Midland Counties, and several other lines. A great part of
the goods from Bingley, Shipley, and other towns in that district,
were taken to Bradford. If the Wakefield and Goole line were
four miles shorter than the proposed one, it wuuld be preferable as
a transit from Goole to Bradford; but he considered the gradients
of the Brayton and Goole line were much better, and more than
counterbalanced the saving in distance of the Wakefield and
Goole line.

By Lord SEYMOUR—Said that the propose° line, if carried out,
would have the effect of making Goole and Hull competing ports ;
and, on the same principle, he would have no objection to have
both lines, believing that thereby a stimulus would be given to trade.
Mr. Allhewson. a merchant, resident in Newcastle upon-Tyne,
was next examined. He stated that he was engaged in the:.
facture of soda, bleaching powders, and chemical prepa:ations. H flan tie
sent 400 tons annually to Manchester, but in conse-
sufficiency of railway accommodation, he could yu nice of the in•
.-
was obliged to send it by ship to Livereo thence to Man-
.
col, and thence
send it direct, but
chester. He could send it by rail,
at
obliged to send it a distance of
'l.OO miles of a round about. The present, but he would be
route in that case would be
Darlington to York trem Newcastle to Darlington, from
thence to Manchestr ,
from York to Normanton, and
the cost by shy
.e_
..r. The cost by this mode would be enormous,
frequently 7,
via Liverpool, was 255. per ton. They were
If the •
'-wo months in getting to Manchester at present by ship.
Manchester and Leeds Company conveyed his goods at the
'anT.e rate as the other lines, about Id. per ton, the cost by rail
arm Newcastle to Manchester would be 275. 6d. per ton; but
the Manchester and Leeds Company would not do so, for the
purpose (as he thought) of sending the traffic to the port of Hull.
Cross.examined by Mr. WILKINS. There were manufactories
for soda, alkali, and soap, at Liverpool, Warrington, and Hull.
Thought he had facility to supply the Manchester trade at as cheap
a rate as any of those places, notwithstanding the increased cost
of carriage which he would have to pay from Newcastle. Supplied
three-fourths of the crystals of soap used in the kingdom. Had a
great band in the making over of the North Midland Railway to
Mr. Hudson.

Mr. James Allport, manager of the Newcastle and Darlington
line, was next examined, and gave evidence, at great length, on the
nature, extent, and cost of carriage of the traffic on the line with
which he was connected, and read portions of a long correspon-
dence, detailing the negotiations he bad been engaged in with Capt.
Lawes on the part of the Manchester and Leeds Company. On the
cross-examination of this witness, he admitted that Mr. Hudson
had the command of lines of railway to almost all the towns on the
eastern coast of England.

Mr. Arthur Maude examined by Mr. PICKERINO—was a sugar..
refiner at Goole. Supplied Leeds, Bradford, York, Liverpool, and
Manchester with sugar, but principally the three first. He sent
1,200 tons annually to these places. Consumed from twenty to
thirty tons of coal weekly in the manufacture of it. This wit.
ness pointed out the great advantage which he, in common with
others in the town of Goole, would derive from the formation of
this line by having increased facilities for the conveyance of their
manufactures, and also by being able to procure coals, kc., more
conveniently and cheaply.

As the cross.examinatirA of this witness was about to com.
mence, the Speaker was announced to be at prayers, and the Corn.
mittee adjourned till twelve o'clock tomorrow,

GROUP X,
LONDON AND YORK LINE.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday
To Mr. DENNIsON.—The station at Sheffield, on the Bantry
line, would run into the existing Sheffield station, therefore it
would not cost much, but ho had allowed 4,000/. for
that. The present station at Sheffield is quite sufficient for present
purposes. The 4,000 j. did not include land, for the station would
be on the line. Did not survey the Sheffield line, but had it done
by an accredited agent, fol whom he was responsible, but had gone
over the line himself; It was surveyed by Mr. Fairbank, engineer,
of Sheffield. Tae gradients on this line were as follows, beginning
at Bawtry in 125, lin 173, lin 120, lin 120, lin 127, lin
146, 1 in 120, 1 in 120, / in 178, 1 in 100, 1 in 120, 1 in 122, 1
in. -354, 1 in 640, t in 265, 1 in 397 ; that was to say, there were
56 yards of level on the whole distance; there were two tunnels on
the line; one was 1,980 yards, and the other 1,245 yards; the
strata was principally rock. The longest tunnel was near Sheffield,
and the strata consisted alternately of clay and soil, and very little
water. The cost he hal estimated at 601. per yard forward. Tun-
nelling was the most difficult and intricate work in engineering.
Mr. DENNisoN—And therefore required the greater care and
minuteness before making an estimate ?—I wasn't going to add
that.—(Laughter.) It required more experience than either. There
were four stations on the line.
To Mr. Picxxiinvo, on behalf of Sir William Milner—Witness
knows Sir William's estate. Does not know how near the line
will go to Manapleton Park. It was more than B.loths of a mile
from the house itself; cannot say for what distance; cannot say
whether it was at the back or front of the house; if the York and
North Midland line should be formed, the house would be Placed
in the fork of the two lines; cannot say if any of the farm-houses
were to be cut off:
The witness wag le.exartlined by Mr. Sergeant KINGLAItEg
With a view to eX
examination, in Plain some of the answers given by him in cross -
...eference to the slips of embankments, gradients,
cost of stati:.ms, &e., but none of the answers were of any impor-
tance. He said that the cost of the first 20 miles out of London
w.-4uld be about 38,0001. per mile, or a gross sum of 776,6071.,
exclusive of the cost of land on the London station.
Mr. DERBY—Supposing the owners of the present station at
Sheffield should not agree to allow you to cross It, have you ache.
(Wed land for a station for )ourself? The witness. first said he
had not, then he looked at some documents, and said he coml.
dered the 4,0001. would be sufficient, with the land to be taken in
the deviation.

Mr. DERBY—But the present station at Sheffield occupies a
great deal of room, I see by the map. Where have you scheduled
for land for a separate station, if you are not allowed to cross the
present station ? We will cross it on a level,
Mr. Betts, of Southampton, railway contractor—Has had the
contract for several railroads. Has estimated for the works on
the London and Yorkshire, and is quite satisfied that the prices he
has named would be sufficient to cover all expenses. The line
presented no engineering difficulty, and it could be executed in
three years, if the land were had.
Cross-examined by Mr. HlLDYARD—Contracted for the Vaux-
hall and We3mouth line, and a line to Southampton ; also the line
from Rugby to Leicester. Part of the- Croydon line was choked
up about two years ago by a slip of embankment, which was
made of London clay. Could not say what contractor would under-
take the whole of the London and York line. Was ready himself
to Uudertake the contract for the whole, or a portion, of the line.
Mr. Betts, jun.,—Was willing to run the same risk as his father
in contracting for the whole of this line or any part of It.
Mr. John Tuttle, land valuator—Had valued the country along
the line between Peterborough and East Redford. The acreage
was 711 acres, and 61 acres on the Stamford branch ; but valued
the whole at 122,5014, or thirty-three years' purchase.
Cross-examined—Had gone as high as SI. an acre per annum ;
25a. was the minimum, and took 50 per cent, for insurance ; did
not take into account any sum to be paid by the Company under
peculiar circumstances.

Ile-examined—Had taken some land as high as 4651. per acre.
Mr. George Smith, land and house valuer—Had valued the
houses, &c., at King's.cross. Had included 59 acres altogether.
Is of opinion that that ground could be purchased for 208,2624
To Mr. HILDYARD—Did not consider where the Small Pox
Hospital, which will be removed, is to be rebuilt. There
were a great many occupiers of houses in the 10 acres, and about
240 houses. Could not tell by what tenure they held. There
were no houses on the 49 acres. Had valued about 80 acres alto-
gether, from King's.cross to Hornsey.
Mr. Jarvis had valued the land on the line from Hornsey-
wood to Sandy, 45 miles, or 587 acres area, on the Bedford
branch; had set down their value at 97.8581.
To the Cotnmittee—Had made the valuation upon a calculation
of thirty-three years' purchase.
The Committee then adjourned,

GROUP XX.
THZ
The Committee met at a quarter-past two o'clock, Mr. Vernon
Smith in the chair.

There was only one witness examined as the Bill was unopposed,
and nothing of any public interest took place. It may be added
that the line is only three miles in length.

THEATRES.
FRENCH PLAYS, ST. JAMES'S.
Achard, the prince of vaudevillists, has arrived, and
made his debut last evening as Jerome, in La Famiilc du
Fumiste, and Guillaume in Trianon. This last
(the original of Planche's Queensbury Fête), is a
delightful comedy, and reproduces those days
in which, to use the words of Burke, sensualism
lost half its guilt by being deprived of all its grossness.
Even the English public are well acquainted with Achard
in both these characters ; it is therefore unnecessary to
say more than that be was excellent as ever. The house
was well attended, and the ate of the beim monde were
there to welcome this favourite actor.

ADELPIII.
T. P. Cooke has commenced an engagement here for
twelve nights, in his favourite character of Poor Jack.
This is at old Adelphi piece, and with an old Adelphi
favourite as the hero, of course it went elf' triumphantly.
Mrs. Edwin Yarnold took the character which was ori-
ginnlly Miss Fortescue's, and meted with great pathos
and feeling ; and Wright, as the runaway barber, learn-
ing to be a servant., was mast laughter-moving. The
house was crowded, and Vnere can be no doubt that the
engagement of T. P. Cooke will be a hit.

V AUXBALL.
Vauxhall, like a phcenix, has risen fro'in its ashes, and
comes out this summer in its pristit-te splendour. The
concerts a/ fresco have always been the principal
object of attraction at this place of favourite resort,
of greater antiquity than even those concerts which,
impertinently assumed the name of ancient. The Vaux-
hall concerts have bees immortalized by Addison and
Goldsmith. They are, classical in the strictest sense of
the word. They 'sere listened to by Sir Roger de
Coverley—wondr,red at by the Citixen of the World—and
delighted in Beau Tibbs. They are now conducted
by tAie first exchestral manager in the world—the g reat
31 usard—wiho assumed the baton of command last
tong may he wield it, fur never We 64tUn Incite worthily
disdains grimace
wielded, than by him. Ife is a true mmiian, who
the management on
understanding his businmi thoroughly,
and humbug. We congratulate
having secured the services of such conductor in the
or.diestra, on the advantages which they cannot tout de •
rive from the lessons of such a superintendent, and the
'ublic on the vast improvements 10 the musical denart..
merit of this delightful place of resort, which were iLani-
test here last evening.

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CiRDENS
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The Messrs. Harr i:;oli, whose perforniauees on the rce:k
hart-nut-Aeon prudueeci such a sewation at the Free-Trade
Bazwi are engaged at these gardens, and made their
first appearance yesterday. They performed several
favourite airs, in the course of the afternoon, and thc
rock harmonicon appeared to be a great source of
attraofction.
wea As mitflit hay-.been expected from tho fine-
early hour.
ness the ther, the gardens were crowded at an
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D:spatches Were received on Sunday at the Colonial-office
from the Governor-General of Canada, and from the Governors
of the other North American provinces.

merchandise last year from Goole to Leeds by water. Included in thi
1,014 tons of wool, or thereabouts. He got in returned cargoes
from Leeds, 300 tons of goods.
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By Mr. KNOWLES—He had received that morning a letter in re-
ference to a large contract for coals, which was made with the pros_
pect of the proposed line being laid down.