The Sun.
London, England, 1842-06-01 00:00:00

SIONUNIENTS IN CHURCHES.

Lord HOWDEN had listened attentively to the answer given
by the Right Rev. Prelate to the questions he had put to him.
He (Lord Howden) thought that their Lordships would agree
with him in thinking that theregulations of the colonial Bishop
were neither politic in the times in which we lived, nor in her,
mony with the mild spirit of the Church of England.
Lord BROUGHAM had listened with very great interest,
and some anxiety, to the explanations of the Right Rev. Pre-
late. The defence which the Right Rev. Prelate had made,
was no doubt as powerful as the nature of the case would per-
mit. But the defence of the Right Rev. Prelate, notwith-
standing his ability, appeared to him (Lord Brougham) to be
feeble in the extreme; and he could only explain that feeble.
ness of the defence by the badness of the cause. He rejoiced
that we had not in this country such regulations in regard to
spiritual matters as those which appeared to prevail in Canada.
He rejoiced to know that St. Paul's and Westminster Abbey
were under more just, more charitable, and more liberal super-
inteodence. He would not go into particulars ; but, of this he
was sure that, if the same regulations which prevailed in
Canada, were enforced in St. Paul's and Westminster Abbey,
many of those monuments which grace these great national
Cathedrals, would not now be found witkin their walls. And
when he (Lord Brougham's) adverted to the only precedent
which the Right Rev. Prelate had been able to cite on behalf
of his absent Brother, he must needs say that that only prece-
dent was the very one which ought to. have been selected by
the Bishop of Quebec—(Hear, hear)—in order not to fol-
low it.—( Hear, hear.)
The Bishop of LONDON said the simple statement of facts
into which he had entered should have precluded the possi-
lity of such animadversions as the Noble and Learned Lord hail
made. After what had fallen from the Noble and Learned
Lord, he confessed that he had no hesitation in saying that he
thought the Bishop of Canada was perfectly justified in the
course he had pursued. A Bishop had an undoubted right to
make any regulations he might think fit relative to the erection
of monuments in the churches of his diocese. He would go a
step farther and say, that the unquestioned facility which ex-
isted with regard to the erection of monuments in the churches
of this country was a source of great abuse; and he could not
but say that he looked upon some of the inscriptions on those
monuments with a feeling of shame. He never went into one
of those churches without taking shame to himself for the mo-
numental inscriptions which disfigured it, in commemoration of
parties who, neither in life nor in death, had shown their sense
of the privileges to which, as members of the Church, they were
entitled. In the circumstances of this country, he dared not to
enforce the prohibition of the erection of such monuments ; but
he thought that the Bishop of Quebec was perfectly justified
in the course he had taken, if he found there was no usage in his
diocese which would prevent the enforcement of his regulations.
He insisted that it was quite consistent with the principles of
the Church and true charity. The Right Rev. Prelate con-
cluded by reading a paper containing the Bishop of Quebec's
own reasons for not allowing the erection of the tablet.
Lard BROUGHAM said he had not made any attack upon
the Right Rev. Prelate, and yet the Right Rev. Prelate said
that he rose to answer an attack made upon him by him (Lord
Brougham). He did not think that the Right Rev. Prelate
had at all mended the case, he had rather made it worse.
The Bishop of LONDON explained.
Earl GALLOWAY said that, without wishing to be set
down as a bigot, he must say that he agreed with every word
that had fallen from the Right Rev. Prelate.
CONDEMNED SERMONS AT NEWGATE.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE rose to bring before their
Lordships a case relating to Newgate, which he thought was
most disgusting and profane.—( Hear, hear.) He held in
his hand an account of the matter, taken from the newspapers
of the day. He would refer to the Times of Monday, the
23d inst. (The Noble Lord then proceeded to read the account
of the condemned sermon preached to Daniel Good, and re-
ferred more particularly to the words—" and then Good was
led in by two constables, and placed in a chair, in the centre of
the congregation," and to Good's conduct during the sermon.)
He must express the indignation, disgust, and horror, which
this recital excited in his breast.—( Hear, hear.) For if they
read the account of the barbarism of the most savage nature,
they could not find exhibited a more refined, morbid feeling than
was exhibited in this case. Here was the man brought for-
ward to let them see the effect that this sermon would have upon
his physical frame, about to leave the world. This was a kind
of Sabbath pastime which took place in one of our public es-
tablishments, and to which a Minister of the Established
Church was not only a party, but a very active agent. He
thought it was quite high time that notice should be taken of a
scene of this sort, to prevent its recurrence. He did not
know whether in this instance the occurrence took place by the
desire of the criminal, but he thought that it was not according
to the spirit of the law ; he certainly had no right to have the
prison dress changed, and to be made a kind of
hero of in that way; besides, how could it be
supposed that when he was an object of such attention his
thoughts could be properly directed towards the making his
peace with the offended Deity. Whilst he disapproved of this
exhibition he-could not say one word against public executions ;
he thought it quite right that every publicity should be given
to the execution that could be according to the law ; hut the
law never meant that a place of worship should be subject to
the desecration which he had described. He begged to move
for a copy of the rules and orders regulating the conduct of
prisoners convicted of capital offences in the gaol of Newgate.
The Duke of RICHMOND was of opinion that the Noble
Lord who had just sat down deserved the thanks of the House
for having brought this matter before them. He thought, if
public feeling did not put a stop to such proceedings, a legis-
lative measure should be put in force.
THE MESSAGE.
Lord DELAWARR announced, that having waited upon her
Majesty relative to the reception of the Address, he had to
announce that her Majesty had appointed three o'clock to-
morrow to receive it.

A message was then diTatehed to inform the Commons o
the same.

CONDEMNED SERMONS (RESUMED).
Lord WHARNCLIFFE thanked the Noble Lord for having
brought this matter before the House. He was quite of opinion
with the Noble Lord that a criminal like that man should be
kept as much alone as possible—should, in fact, be kept en-
tirely to himself. He did not think that the Government
had anything to do with the matter, which rested entirely with
the City corporation.
The Marquis of NORMANBY confirmed the statement of
the Noble Lord opposite, that the Government had nothing to
do with the management of Net gate. When he was Home
Secretary, he had been much struck with the disgraceful
practice of exhibiting ..Criminals of that class during different
stages of their confinement ; and he took occasion to inform
the Sheriffs that, unless they would prevent it, he should feel
it his duty to call the attention of Parliament to it.—( Hear,
bear.) The Sheriffs of that time, he was happy to say, ex-
pressed their willingness to co-operate with him.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE also rose to tender his
his thanks to the Noble Lord for having brought this matter
before the House. He perfectly agreed with every w ord that
had fallen from every Noble Lord on the subject.
The motion was then agreed to.
SUNDAY TRAVELLING ON RAILWAYS.
Earl GALLOWAY presented a petition from the Presby-
tery of Edinburgh, praying their Lordships to pass a Bill to
put a stop to Railway travelling on Sundays. He thought the
matter deserved the attention of her Majesty's Government.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE thought, if they' put a stop to travel-
ling upon railways on Sunday, they should put a stop to travel-
ling in any other way. The question was whether the people
were to travel at all on a Sunday, whatever might be their ne-
cessities. He knew the feeling which prevailed upon the sub-
ject in Scotland, and he must say that he thought the Scotch
people went a great deal too far in their ideas upon this subject.
The Government was not prepared to bring in any measure
upon the subject.
Lord CAMPBELL was of opinion that the notions on this
subject which prevailed in Scotland, were very extravagant. It
might be perhaps desirable to prevent the carrying heavy mer-
chandize on Sundays, but to say that you might travel by turn-
pike roads, and not by railways, was excessively absurd.
BAKERS' HOURS.
The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE presented a petition from
the Bakers of Newry, praying for some law Ito be passed which
should regulate their hours of labour on Sunday.
LAWYERK' CERTIFICATES.
The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from the
Lawyers of Lancaster, praying that the law requiring them to
take out a new certificate every year should be repealed.
Their Lordships then adjourned at half-past Seven.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 31.
THE FRENCH TARIFF—DUTY ON ENGLISH
LINENS.
On the Order of the Day for resuming the adjourned
debate on the second reading of the Property-tax Bill
being read,

Mr. LABOUCHERE said he wished to ask a question
on a subject which had created the greatest excitement
among the trading classes of this country. It had been re
ported that the French Government had increased the duty
on linens and linen yarns, the produce of this country.
He wished to ask the Right lion. Gentleman if he was
able to make any statement on this subject. He could nut
put the question without expressing regret that at the mo-
ment we were pursuing measures for the adoption of a more
liberal course of commercial policy towards other nations,
a step of a nature so hostile to our interests should have
been adopted.

Sir R.-PEEL said, in answering the question of the
Right lion. Gentleman, he might be allowed to state that
within the last three or four days her Majesty's Govern-
ment had received information on the subject,to the effgct
that the Minister of France had stated that the
Government of France had power, by an ordonnance,
to raise the duties referred to, and that the
Government of France intended to exercise that power.
He (Sir R. Peel) could only assure the Right Honourable
Gentleman that they had not permitted a post to leave this
country, without making their communications on the sub-
ject to the French Government, which they thought their
duty required of them to make, namely, expressing their
regret at the intention expressed to raise those duties.
With respect to the commercial negotiations now pending be-
tween
this country and France, he could not help thinking
that there were interests in the south of France which would
regret any impediment to the conclusion of those commercial
negotiations. Government had had communications with
other countries in Europe which produced wine, and he