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disapprove of." Was this a broad and permanent ground on
which the Parliam-nt could stand and refuse th..ir consent to
this measure ? What was the nature of the opposition to this
Rill ? Some of those who opposed it objected to sny establish..
dent, whilst others entertained opinions exactly the reverse of
this. What permanence or stability of resistance could be ex-
pected from a body of men, some of whom were as wide apart
from the others as were the poles? Here was his Hon. Fs teed
the Member for the University of Oxford (Sir H. 11. Inglis),
who stood, as be himself, under different circumstances, and
in a, cill'•rent condition of the country might have stood, advo-
catinge the exclusive endowment of the Church of England—
"tit this Bill were rejected, amongst what companions would
}lt find himself ?—( Cheers.) But that was net all—for a large
:proportion of the rest of those who opposed the Bill, but who did
-not go the length of abjuring all endowments, altogether re-
fused to follow his lion. Friend in his support of the Church of
England, and laid claim to an equal endowment for all forms of
Protestants. Yes; opposition was oee thing, but the esta-
blishment of a broad, just, and p et mancnt policy was another.
--(Cheers.) It was very easy to firm a combination—he used
The word in no offensive sense—by an accidental conjunc-
tion of those who differed on almost every subject, which might
effect the immediate purpose in view; but when they came to
ask upon what principle a Government was to rule, or a people
1° be governed, what answer could they give ?—( Loud cheers.)
-In this ca,e, what answer would his Hon. Friend give to the.
Teeple of Ireland ? When that question once presented itself,.
4 new order of ideas was started, and fresh obstacles rose up to
the mind in a frightful and gigantic form.—( Cheers.) The
opponents of this measure ought to state to the Irish people
Upon what principle they proposed to proceed. Did the oppo-
eitien to this Bill support any such principle as that for which
his Honourable Fries d contended ? Del they propose to con-
sne all endowment to the Church of England ?—( Hear, hear.)
There was notoriously a violation of that principle in a new case
*very recurring year. It was not enough, he said, for them to
'Object to this ur that. They must show some intelligible plan
'of proceeding, on which they were to take th. it stand. One
'Principle was the total abrogation o. all religious endowment.
That principle was supported neither by the House nor by the
country ; and it would, consequently, be ridiculous to speak
that as the fixed principle cf their conduct. He
would dismiss that altogether. Then others said
Recognise the different forms of Protestantism, but exclude
whatever is in coma-1131°e with she Church of Biome." This
;"I.l_ % not good in a constitutional or its a religious point of view.
did noteundesstand what was meant by a thing of so untie-
ned and vague a meaning as Icon which they called Protes-
ntenitteiatu• by this he meant to vey no reproach. He was
aware that Protestantism was a something quite definite
e,,Ztue minds. He knew that in the minds o; many men it
„aa%ornething more than a mere negation—that it was a sub-
t've reality, and definite embodiment of truth. But whe-
r; 'hi% was so or not, it was clear that the Constitution did
that""
%rilse that which was called Protestantism. It was true
tam 'hue Constitution required the Sovereign to be a Protes-
Parl: "t the word there used was made definite by the Act of
a arrient ; for the Act required that the Sovereign should be
turnriatinicant of the Church of Enland. So be
dinaid that he
.x?i,e• tld ,
-6' understand, and than the Constitut ion di ot recog-
aod,._ihat which was so vague, so indefinite, that which floated
varied every day. Was it not impossible, then, for the. op-
uents of the measure to take their stand upon Protestantism?
siseted°l4,l not o en any religious discussion, but what he in-
Se. tel.,: u.blcPOn was, open any religious discussion, but what he in-
- - On the difficulty of making this. ground a clear,
atOsubstantive basis of public policy. He under-
bud the definite alliance between the Constitution and the
Zrilhircil of England, and he also was able to understand the
eZeaton be'.ween the State and the Established Church of
gio°oanil, but that appeal, lee confetsed, was weak to his eh-
thinfee'inee's which was founded upon negative terms and
g, which were left in uncertainty and vagueness. Re-
tlarkese
lett ,ete were the words of Ale. Burke, contained in the last
uriter ne had written on public affairs. These words had been
„iten in the tats r years of his life, when his mind was under
"mu impression of the reality of future things. In 1799
to iißurke had said, " It is not agreeable to piety or principle
% el." any pi ivileges to a negative religiothese privilegn. Such is Protes-
I'M without a creed, and to withhold es from
oaf who entertain clear and intelligible views of religious
, and from whom we do not greatly differ, is neither just
elerireasonable." Mr. Buike had then begun to find that the
41,;', °glen of the Roman Catholics was impolitic anti unjust,
such had been his opinion in the later years of his life.
ale was awa-e of the religious feelings of many
~
eeming bers of that House and of the country ; hut,
those 50 aware of that religious feeling, he implored
pie who rested upon that feeling to consider how it stood.
would not make any minute comparisons as to the dif-
oeirent forms of religious persuasion, but had they such reli-
-1.17t consistency as justified theta in pleading religious
,„Ples ?—( hear, hear.) To judge rightly of this question
' "ght to put themselves in the position of Roman Catho-
frs'--(Loud Opposition cheers.) '1 hey ought always to argue
ess'attrt the point of view in which they stood with whom they
e dealing. He should, indeed, be surprised if any one
honey
to obvious a principle. Did they not give votes of
elioney to other religious bodies ? Would their conduct in
,at respect bear scrutiny Had not a measure which, dur-
Pthe last sessson of Parliament, had been introduced by his
tifeat Hon. Friend (Sir R. Peel), been called the " Socinian
ndowment" Bill by licensed politicians ; hut they needed
12ot to travel so far back for a real Socinian Endowment Bill,
"Ir every Appropriations Bill which they passed at the con •
elusion of each session, contained votes of money for the en-
',lviwtnent of Socinians. He might be told that this was only
'll's from year to ys ar, and might at any time be stopped.
That seeemed to him more a technical than a substantial ob-
action. The question he put to himself was, would it be
stopped ?—( Cheers. 1 Would -any one propose its disconti-
%lance? He might lament it, but if it were not to be
altered, it was dishonest to refuse to recognise it.—(Cheers.)
Ilis Right Honourable Friend had presented a petition from
the Remonstrant Synoil of Ulster. They had the candour to
tidrnit that they received money frosts the State. The doc-
trines they supported were Arian principles, and feeling that
they were thus further removed from the religion of the State
than
it the Roman Catholics, they could not understand why, as
received a State endowment, the College of Maynooth
t,5 not entitled to receive it also. If those
.petitioners did not
--erstand the reason, he must be a sanguine man who ex-
v'ectied that the Reiman Catholics would understand it. He
coud n°te then, find its the practice of the Constitution, or in
the conviction of his opponents, arty substantial, fixed, and per-
hearent ground for opposing the present measure.—(Hear,
greater It was stated that the Rotnish Church demanded
that It
there was something peculiar to
titt‘,Church which rendered the endowment objectionable,
nine tt was manifest that in this objection the opponents of
Dr,,t,sure had descended from the main ground of their
PreeP'eiie--( Hear, hear.) They must either be able to
~,toirdund a constitutional profession of faith for which they
Reit elaim a perfect uniformity, or they must admit that the
edtitan,Catholic Church, like any other religious
erted;el to take her chance in urging such claims uponParka-Rroilda,' she best could. Being thin unable to discover any
course, which would warrant the Legislature in pursuing the
do e of
,°,f ,exclusion against the Roman Catholics by the rejec-
fers, this Bul, he would proceed to say that the. boon con-
t° the °Y the Bill was a eat boon. It was most important as
dos principle it involved. He would not refer to it if it were
it di, et but there could be no doubt that the Bill, though
C h•
eels‘4 not,decide the question s -the payment of the Roman
theurgY, did most emphatically and conclusively decide.
eueers. 'as objection to that measure.—(Loud Opposition
trotted: , Insuperable obstacles might arise upon other
thee ofhooslet them not conceal
,the fact that the mea-
t, t sonHonourable 1-riena, brought . forward in
la '°4s, decided any rel-gious objections which could be
that
his was question.—( Cheers.) In another point of view,
the a great measure. He did not attribute its greatness
the 40 thoe„
of pounds which swelled its importance, but.
iluawree:tse.srhyuld know that never had there been such an en-
th, anted on such terms. He did nut intend to im-
tiaite sue principle upon those grounds—on the contrary, he
Pelts °uPPorted
sles„Y gift, es it. Only let it not be said that this was a
'lll'ilt to ,•.e dui not know what was the amount of the en-
. attioudt .%rinity College, Dublin; but if that were larger
',resit to It was
the e granted on different terms. It was usual to
pl)''Onia„" Eitablished Church honorary privileges and
eirerespo4di'ond°wments; hut they imposed upon that_ Church
th uer servi e restrictions—they regulated the performance
attach",-- restrained the assemblies of her clergy—
q° was slow' to their g ifts various conditions.—( Hear, hear. )
jeertnanyess. 'Peaking of general rules. It was the casein
th ail these tt was the same in France. There was something
pa State, sires of giving and taking between the Church and
qtPal bull t wasi well known that in France and Austria
,no
"ere "s valid t the content of the State. he
. latent is OU
Irlitoittet(ll,,stplciiritualirned the right of assent over all Papal ordi-
and secular. Arid so, though this might be a
gift which Zwrnent, it showed a spirit of confidence and kind-
tq was ei sse trusted would be appreciated.—(. Cheers.) The
e fette
to -ndow red by no condition, and in this respect...was
4ferr 'tent more ed _ liberal than that which the State
sit rch Of a P"n the Church of this country, and upon the
t4tt ny other countries. He said, then, that this was
tritu ; street importance, and a boon of great magni-
., sted t, being thus a boon of great magnitude, he
atitt if ,t,
h e's re • "'CY had made up their minds that circum-
ttelsrt,
alduired it from them—if they did not find in their
ftlhis til':asconscierices any permanent principle of resistance
pp °lld ehe uree—he trusted that they would give it freely.—
e-ertitird 'et's.) It might be said that this would operate as a
beactepted !.° sedition. It might be to regarded. It might be
,os "I a wron, an ungracious, and ungrateful spirit-
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aticiat.they bagd no right to think. If this were of itself
uces
tt righteons 'Act—with reference to the circum-
tsvirelee the country and of the time—they should not allow
art 'eh it $, to be governed by a consideiation of the manner in
exo..uld be received. He had lately read the words of
eerribe::* Gentleman, who was well known and was a
"atter' of
that House (Mr. O'Connell), which, being
titutlid istle of his humour and oint the House '
ptettik Perhaps
„permit him to read. He said". Agitation, I
(LPeal A Conciliation-hall, lam much obliged to you ;
Iltseoat ssociation, Alaynooth, ought to pray for you."—
tiii.wiesideri and cries of " Hear, hear.") Well, the doctrine
s 4 ues "PPose was held, or might be held, in Ireland, that
hor,t,her aansPreneium to agitation, and an encouragement to
eettl this "ttation.—(Hear, hear.) But he hoped those who
mitsteti ~,,,a4Rurnent would remember that agitation was a two.
4`),a the Pcntsethat it might he used ots the one side as well
; and that, if the Irish people offered a tempting
thoti,tioosf Or awghltiathion, it was equally possib.le, from a view of the
had. that night been laid upon the table, and
tic; table, iecin! which he was satisfied would yet be laid upon
thitta eot ieBnat this subject would afford a field open for agita-
""rnPting, not less inviting, not less seductive in
e Loth Ahern resisting it.—(Hear, hear.) He deprecated
he!_erttls,:a.... one agitation and the other. He trusted that
sash °f• ihius°, ;wiser spirit weu!d prevail among the /gem-
-414, f the Cesesuse....(Hear)—and likewise over the general
toss ' slntry• He trusted that in Ireland, as in Eng-
1r would. feel convinced that they ought not to press
tk Partie_',eitner side their ideal claims and extreme opinions.
suet it
ci:tinneld. that religions was involved in this question, and
thi wax to admit. of two considerations, he would ask, if
th:,eoetir,,ie the state of things, what was to be the fate of
lirssiost, h,'„eut to be hopelessly torn by endless disputes, with
tha'tretssed
to, ared, even of that religion which parties 'hones ly
that hose Inculcate.—( Hear.) But he cherished the hope
it they °favourable anticipations. would not be realised :
\vs e vvould
Rives t° live • be a disposition to consider how impossible
_xtper_ti__.oin a. country where there were different reli-
• reeoe't"oli_lv.s, if every one was to urge his own claims to
r tilers'; tur• He trusted that men would refuse to sur-
thee that
th•ee;vews to the unchecked. dominion of these feelings,.
eataitei, ofwould acquiesce in a just consideratien of
losrsitedOthers He knew it would be said that they had
t;lLs
_ar principle of this measure, and that it would after-
,_yebeet;:sitierhleirit out extreme length. That. was an ar-
tall. ar from ,s. difficult absolutely to disprove ; but it
etkit end ese, 'iing true as applied to political matterstene-
,.4:.,,r7tt,.%P.
teluariiiywto the affairs of this country. That wasan
' a4cl air. agamst • concession at the time of the American
di-posed of in a few words, which were
3,ka".!V,Cable to their'
,e,ssio%Presi,ed present position. Mr. Burke said, when
repii of Arderi:_'_' arguments that to comply with the con-
ft'ol o',,tl—"` It i-54 would only whet their appetite for more,
a great mistake to imagine that mankind
fttirt:rtie'rit tir,):refrraectice their speculative principles, either in
f iRe %jolt .cdorat as far as their arguments or their
woedthe este lead them, We, Englishmen, stop short of
eftist• ent °f the principlea by which we support parts of
„f tution, or
ise:adts.eridotthi-aisZn.aer'Lss-phlayesiaecevatieendpra:ndle,hu:aetse.ll‘slik(o)lne. his" mThate:reia lwienrtecretshMe
thatOdr
these
is belief w( Hear, hear.) He con-
rt :a:words were applicable to all
Sttg at 14, d, besand ad A.' communities on earth, but especially to
impossible not to see that the system
eNrees, wire,rnment consiseed in a combination of oppo-
'en shaped anti modified each other, and