The Sun.
London, England, 1845-07-15 00:00:00

Lail an interview with the Earl of Dalhous:e yesteray, at the
office of the Board of Traqe.
Mr. Hart Davin, Deputy-Chairman of the Excise interview with the Cha;,,,H,r or 0- hid —rn
L., • r,x,qlcquer yesttrLy, a
f,orti Whaite.trteJoH the Cduneil, left to*
`rt_Pt_t,tlirjciay 1.6 r the Is!e of Wight.
Viscount Lismore and the Hon. Miss O'Calaghan have le
Farrauee's Hotel for Shamhally Castle.
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PER!A 1; A 4-i 1,1 A Ai f:.l`j
• nousE or LoRDs, Jule 14 "
i Their Lordships mat Fhortly after Five o'clock 03,:
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Several Railway vv, -u tirou,ht up 'ram
t.,ittl a fi,-st.
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ADAIINISTRATION OF CRIMINAL JI).S
This Mill was read a s, cord time, and ordered t 0 be
mi,ted.

COLLEGES ( fREL ANT)) DILL.
On the motion of the Deice of W2.1.1.1NGT0
eras read a first time. and ordered to be printed.
IRISH POOR-LAW. c6i'°
The Marquis: of CLANRIC RDE presented two P „sotst
notllWairling of the present mode of administeringthe
in Ireland.
eseess for
The NOBLE MA RQUIS at the same thine move sr
d
the number of children under the age of fifteen at o©
ifr
in the workhouses of Ireland, distinguishine orphans 1r
other children, and that ;he report of the "Comod'so!„.,lo.
painted in 1836 to inquire into the state of the poor-la
land be reprinted.—The returns were agreed to. sr.
LIVERPOOL AND BURY RAILW boo'
Lord STANLEY presented several pstitions in
the Liverpool and Bury Railway Bill.
WASTE LANDS IN AUSTRALIA. toy
The NOBLE LORI) laid on the table a Bill for regula
sale of waste lads in the Australian col
onies. be re°
The Bill was read a first time, and ordered to
second time on Friday.
IRISH COLLEGES BILL. ding of
'The NOBLE ',tier: also appointed the second read:
Bill for Monday next.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE- , sotoe'
The Earl of DEVDN said he had conferred wit-elefi'
the ltlembsrs of the other House of Parliament withord se°
" •tr the Bills which the Government. had intended to to "for
he had come to the conclusion that it would not °oaf
public benefit to introduce the. Bill with respect to the 001°4,
ing the form and reducing the expense of leases foe
come to a similar conclu‘ion with respect to the pet of
gillating distresses arid ejectments for the nonepaYnl here'
for land, the Tenure and Leases Bill, and the Grano 00'
Pee
These Bills, from the late period of the session, could
et,
ceive that consideration to which they were entitl,eteeslJ
would be carefully considered during the recess, ao`'
then proceeded with. d irw
Lord BROUGHAM agreed with the Noble e.°
r
was necessary to postpone some of the measures
enumerated.
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enumerated. But with respect to the Bill for an? tO.e'',
laws relating to grand juries, which had been sent a° the t'
Lower House, he thought it might be passed during beer'
sent session. Surely there were enough of Irish blew
pass the Bill before the session closed.
The Marquis of CLA N RICA RDE thought the
sTr • aegse
had had sufficient time to consider the subject. "e hid `
that the customs and feeling's which lawful habitsto bole'
and strengthened should be respected. OA'
therefore, that time would be given to the people of
expresThes
Earl of their opin
WICKLOW thought
on this su jb
that both ect.
theseset
should go together, and' he was of opinion that„ his
bdsolf
Friend the Secretary for the Colonies should yr" s
Bill.
Lord CLARENDON then begged leave to ift4e,,, acs
tion, that it is reeelved that in reference, not merely t'reegsey
treaties between Great Britain and Spain, but with alsll
the commercial enterprise carried on between her
;nito :f
Government and the colonies, that the House is of oPti 004
the subjects of the King of Spain should be perthitteut
port the productions of all their territories, paying fl
duties than other colonies pay on like articles.
The resolution was ordered to lie on the table.
BREACH (F PRIVILEGE.
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The LORD CHANCELLOR then ordered JO-- s IP
to be called to the bar, and asked was he pre'el"
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Harlow—Yes, my Lord.
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The LORD CHANCELLOR—Wt ere do Ye°
John Harlow—No. 9, Leicester-square. brngt
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The LORD CHANCELLOR—Have, you io sys
action against Thomas Baker ? John Harlow—Ye', ostsilla
The LORD CHANCELLOR—For what? John P
For false and malicious language used by him before the
of Lords.
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The LORD CH ANCELLOR—For language uso di9ag!
evidence before a Committee of the House of Lord,'
Harlow—Yes, my Lord. g
The LORD CHANCELLOR—Have you anythirio,
to say on that subject? John Harlow—l will only bil":e
I have been very much injured in my business, a t''`
pointed out in the streets as being a gambler, when ail
that such is not the case.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—Are you aware 0/1/04'
plaint has been made to this House
.f your conduct,' to
ing this action? John Harlow—Yes, my Lord. leo' el
The LORD CHANCELLOR—And that a color Woo(
been made, that it is a breach of the privileges of thi`se,c;jel
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John Harlow—l was not at all aware that it was a
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privilege, when the action was commenced ho
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your Lordships will give me an opportunity of seekinc'etei°
when I have been so materially injured by the s
which were made. sre
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Lord CAMPBELL—The question which I bag scP s
put to you is, do you still mean to go on with the
John Harlow—My Lord, lam not at this moment Pr" /
say that I will.
Prep Lord CAMPBELL—Are you, at this moment, P,
say, that you will not? John Harlow—No, my Lorw
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Lord RADNOR—Are you prepared to say that Pteeio
been injured in your business in consequence of the °rad, s
which have been made ? John Harlow—Yes, my Las°. bat'
LORD CHANCELLOR—Withdraw from the bit'
not leave the ouse.
Here the witness withdrew, and Peter Hardwin aPP eP
the bar of the House.
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The LORD CHANCEreLOR—What are you?
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solicitor.
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The LORD CHANCELLOR—Are you the attesbissot
plosed by the last witness for the purpose of bringing `
against Thomas Baker?—Yea, my Lord. eofas'
The LORD CHANCELLOR—For defamatory f
For defamatory words, my Lord. ebstwel
The LORD CH ANCELLOR—Are you not aware
were spoken as evidence before a Committee of the 0 e°
Peter Hardwin—The report states that the words
before a Committee of the House. too°
The LORD CHANCELLOR—And that was the ,
tion of the action ? Witness—Yes, my Lord. sav °lt
The LORD CHANCELLOR—Do you wish t°,:, rood
thing further, as you are aware that a complaint has `l,lelf
of your conduct in that respect? Witness—l have it °
observe that instructions were laid before Counsel, a° lito,
according to his directions that this action was entered.tog or
The LORD CHANCELLOR—Is the action gel
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Witness—lt is at present pending.
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The LORD CHANCELLOR—Da you intend to 111111/
with it ? Witness—l have not had instructions to &is°, tee 0
your Lordship allow me to say that I have ever
believe believe that Baker's information, on which the action bas
founded, is false into
The LORD CHANCELLOR—That is quite itnntaitedr
the present question. Mr. Peter Hardwin, you may
from the bar, but you must not leave the House. j
The LORD CHANCELLOR then rose and nr°i-flooci:
John Harlow was guilty of a breach of the privileges of the :11e
Lord BROUGHAM said that in rising to addre:oso4o
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Lordships on the important question before them, he ebscl.
help remarking that during the four years which he .ded
the favour of his late most gracious Majesty Preesi I oc
the woolsack, no case of a similar kind lesila
curred. He thought this a matter of great gratileat
to himself, and he entertained a sense of grateful fee ling
their Lordships that during the whole of those four o's a°,
although occasions had frequently arisen for it—yet, in •II
solitary instance, was he ever called upon to interfere 11/010!'
strong hand of power to uphold the privileges of that g OA°
That he. presiding in the highest court of law— takiSeer;
station among the judges in the court of last resort, 11,as PA"
been called upon to interfere in a case similar to '-esoor
Bent, out of the ordinary course of law, was to him (O5
of the greatest gratification. This principle which he ,noisier
tended for was not a new one which he advocated when hesl;eihsej
those walls—he had occasion to assist in several cases 'B', esll
same was upheld and vindicated. In the celebrated efts` jetithe
emphatically, and justly " the Parliamentary , tt,,
lege Case,'' wherein Sir Francis Burdett raise°, pt,,
most important question concernin its limits ever Yee ail,
pounded, he had argued its merits ins very stage, and ev „( the
writ of error before their Lordships' bar, and in presence " P,
Judges of the land called in to give their adviee.
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then enjoyed and exercises! his right of pale
ing as Counsel against the exorbitant prettbe
of the other House, and he was not called to answer at ve
bit
of that House, nor menaces! with imprisonment, for do' opts;
duty to his client, as the attorney in the present case'ss ree
he was suffered by their Lordships, as their Lordships
clieri
fused to suffer Mr. Hardwin, to iiiseharee that duty to his ffec
and for half a day together to treat with scorn that ° joss,:
privilege—that assumption of power—without risk °twit re
ruption. If the House of Lords had any right to onlese
attorney for discharging his professional duty, then
was the Commons' House of Parliament, who, from t."`"ot
when Lord Holt -ailed the Sergeant-at.erms a hawk yen rig
to seize its prey, had been quite aware of and alive to 'eV,
vileges, and abundantly prof e to vindicate them, had 'h.tieo
right to have committed him ; but with all its dispri'di
every state of its existence to stretch its privilegesean
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of all to question those of the rival House of Parliament
withstanding all these propensities, he was suffered to argueest '
case fully, freely, and uniniimidwed, and yet take 3,4d0;
that House whose affected rights he was treating with "be
He would begin by admitting, whoever might deny, iat'
not there to deny the privileges of both Houses of Perlis' to
not only of one House, but of both. for whatever
the one belonged to the other. It was the privilege °f ter A,
ment. and not of either House. ; he did not vene`.o, Or"
deny the existence of these privileges; but just let PI 0711
what those privileges were, and what were they for ? of she
they were to remove all obstructions to the exercise 00
functions of Parliament—to liberate the Members of e'olf,
House respectively who might be constrained from site, of
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their Parliamentary duties ; to inquire, and for the purr -011
inquiry to call all persons before them, treating those et.ria '°',
with the same respect and courtesy that they receisenb e(as
courts of justice ; to examine those who were called
them, and if refusing to answer, or if prevariea,rhef
before them, committing such persons for contempt.
as V,
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were Rot, however, to punish for perjury, because that'c:loo
a ground upon which the summary proceedings of comtni_ e
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could not be taken, there being a punishment awarded for A
offence by the criminal and statute law of the countrY•esisv,
these privileges were absolutely necessary for the proper
_ceo,
once of Parliament. and for the due and proper perfort.f esel
its functions, and he was willing and ready to admit triTted. to
existed under the law of the land. But then he way was
concede to that House the power, and the same pe,'e fratrl
claimed by the other House of Parliament, of declaring_ tide
time to time what these privileges were—of declaring freoito •
to time, as occasion arose, what act amounted 0 de'
breach of any given privilege—to punish parties ?,eges
dared by a vote to have committed a breach of the privi•
taking with their own hands the judicial powers of, and n'a sn
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themselves the only Court of Appeal in the kingdmo,
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having done this, declaring what should be the law inas, pro'
for a breach of the law, in which they themselves were oe.-tia,
secutors and the agrieved party, and judging and adjodie' cute
without jury, upon an offender whom they themselves Oreietheto
for an offence declared by them against a law made by
oefit'
and only by them, and still made by each without the nog
of the other or the Crown, and then, last of all, condeonitheer
party for injuries done to themselves, upon a law made by
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selves arid for themselves, and taking into their own "rids
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lawless and anomalous power of putting into execution shed 00
tepee which they themselves had passed. No, they h Ahis
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right to such powers as these ; and he, therefore, enters oil
protest against them in the name of the Cr°"cn'acrea
on behalf of the people of England, whose moot wets'
rights and liberties were invaded by such P'„it.ter
They stopped an eerier' legally commenced in Westn" ea hi
half, alleged to have been brought for injuries sost'iriet an
one of their fellow subjects. Sir Francis Burdett b.ro,°,,t'o.sen
action against the Speaker for taking him into cus.ooi`sedthe
he refused to obey the laws of the Louse. That "which t
question in another form. But. here was a case in righ
civil right attached to a civil individual, in which ihst $
was vested in an individual—in which that right arose 0.%21....
wrong and grievous wrong committed against that indiV€ls cos,
in which, as they were informed. he complained that they
meter hail been falsely and foully slandered by peroarrot for
he had been greatly damaged by that slander, and
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that damage he had sought redress as
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he was entitled. What were theirsesion
called upon to do? To pronounce the bringing of the ac Tbsi
breach of privilege. They b.ail ezamined him at their Du