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with the rest of the empire, until they had laid a foundation
broad and deep on which a superstructure of conciliation arid a
union ef genuine cordial feeling should be built. A Mitoster
who would attempt that would be conscientious of the great
duty which he had performed. and would eejoy the sympathy
of all that eas wise and good, and his memory would be at-
tended with that favour which crowns the benefactor of his
country.—( Cheers )
The O'CONOR DON said, that so cordially:did he agree
with the observations which came from the Noble Lord who had
just sat down, that he brought down the pamphlet referred to
for the purpose of quoting the same latiguage. It was said by an
Hon. Member that he wishe I that this should be dealt
with as an Irish question. If it were to he considered as an
Irish question, he believed that an immense majority of the
Irish people would he found to vote in accordance with the
proposnion of the Right lion. Baronet. He was anxious to
rise to answer a question proposed by the Honourable Member
for Shrewsbury, who called upon them to repudiate the mea-
sure proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet. He (the O'Conor
Don), for one, was dispesed to accept cordially the proposition,
feeling, as he did, that it was one involving in itself the educa-
tion of a portion of the Irish people, and enhanced as it was in
value by the manner in which it was introduced by the Right
Hon. Baronet. He said that it was to be received in three
ways : it was turned by the Honourable Member for Shrewsbury
into that. ridicule aria sarcasm with which, in his opi-
nion, he was too conversant, but he did not for one
moment venture to grapple eith the arguments made use of.
He frequently -aid " this is the. euestien," but the question it-
self he totally avoided. The question was this, what was to
be done with May nooth ? Was the grant to be discontinued,
was it to be continued as it then was, or was it to be in-
creased? Could it be discontinued under present circumstances,
and the state of feeling in Ireland, where there existed so
much dissatisfaction? Where was the Government that would
not remove one more element ef dissatisfaction ?—(Cheers. )
There could no doubt exist in the mind of any one as to the
success of this measure. Was there any principle against the
grant ? If there were, in what did it consist? It appeared that
the principle was against that which would be sufficient—
namely, 25,0001., but there was no principle violated in grant-
ing 9,0001. The principle in both cases was the same, in his
opinion. In 1808, there was an increase proposed by a Pro-
testant Parliament, and yet no person accused them of yielding
one principle which involved the principles of the Protestant
Church. It was a principle recognlzed in all the colonies—in
every one of them—( Hear, hear)—and was that princi-
ple to be objected to now in a case where Trelandwas to be con-
cerned ?—( Cheers. ) The interests of Ireland were as inti-
mately connected with this country, as the interests which
,t-ere more distant. As it was already thought advisable that
that grant should be continued in Ireland, so ought sufficient
be granted for the purposes for which it was made. The
question was, whether the professors received an amount ade-
quate to their instructions, sufficient to induce them to spend
the whole of their lives in teaching for the sum of 931. a year.
There was one reason put forth for opposing it, which was the
principle of those who would object to all establishments what-
ever. How was it that their indignation was only called forth
when Iceland was brought under their consideration? When
it was proposed to give anything to Ireland, then came forth
that which would, at the other side of the water, be considered
an anti-Irish feeling—(Hear, hear)—and which he regretted
because he wished to see both countries on the best terms. He
thought that it ought not to be considered an ecclesiastical en-
dowment, but an educational endowment. It ought not to be
considered as a junction with the State. for he believed that a
great many Irish Roman Catholics would object to it, but they
would not object to a grant. to that College which would enable the
members of that College so discharge the dutiesthey had to per-
form with advantage to the country. The Member for Newcastle
objected seemingly to the grant on the ground that the profes-
sors were incompetent to teach, and that they were men of no
education. He instanced the evidence of Dr. Cullen, to the
effect that he did not know of the existence of the sixth boric of
Euclid. Euclid was not the book taught at Maynooth, but
there was a system used there of the science as it was
taught by the Abbe Dare, and which was laid down
by Fi ench mathematicians of the highest eminence.
The substance of his (the O'Conor Don's) information
was to the effect, that this man so vilified, so misrepre-
sented, so stigmatized, and branded as ignorant, was one
of the most distiuguishsd men in the literary and
scientific world in this day. He was eminent by his
researches in the phenomena of galvanism and electricity,
and his name was widely known and appreciated. The 11, n.
Memb-r for Newcastle had referred to the communications
which had passed between the Court of Rome and the Trill
Catholic ecclesiastics. He (the O'Conor Don) might be al-
lowed to make one short observation upon that subject. He
would merely say that those hulls, no matter how numerous
they were, were of no validity in temporal or civil matters ;
and he would, with the permission of the House, exemplify
this very shortly. When this country was threatened by the
Court of Spain, and the formidable Armada was ap-
proaching its shores, then, notwithstanding the bulls
promulgated by the Pope, the Roman Catholics in
this country offered to serve in the foremost ranks,
for her whom they declared to be their rightful and
beloved Queen. The subiocts of Ireland could not be loyal to
her Majesty without, at the same time, being loyal to her sub-
jecte It was said that 'eer Majesty intended to visit Ireland
this year. He hoped it might be so. Englishmen had the
advantage of her residence among them. Scotland
had been honoured by her visits ; and now he
trusted that Ireland would be similarly honoured, and
certain he was that there she would be enthusiastically
welcomed. Some Hon. Gentleman had said that they post-
poned Catholic questions until their boons were valueless, for
the grants had become a neeess:ty, and the same Hon.
Members again came forward and questioned the Right Hon.
Baronet in such a guise that it was quite impossible for him
to answer them. The questions answered themselves. He
was glad, however, to find that, on his side of the House, the
Noble Lord the Member for London (Lord John Russell),
forgetful of his pary feeling and, on the other side,
the Right Honourable Baronet, both concurring in carrying
out this measure of justice towards Ireland. He would give
his cordial support to the measure of the Right Hon. Baronet.
Mr. LEFROY would give his vote against the second read-
ing of this measure, and he was anxious to do so in a manner
the least calculated to give offence to the Right Hon. Baronet,
or to any other. Hon. Member. He was the more anxious to
explain his reasons, as on this question he should be opposing
a Ministry whose general line of policy he had supported. He
gave full credit to the Right Hon. Baronet for his desire to ad-
vance the best interests of the country, but in this case he
thought he was opposed to the generally expressed opinion
of the entire country.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")
The argument advanced by the Right Hon. Baronet seemed to
him (Mr. Lefroy) particularly strange. He argued that, be-
cause the present system worked badly in the College of May-
nooth, they should try what the mere effect of pounds, slid-
Hugs, and pence could do. He ( Mr. Lefroy) objected to
this grant on two grounds ; the first, because it interfered with
the theory and practice of their present Constitution ; and he
objected to it on a religious ground, although he did not mean
to discuss this as a religious question. He would put it to
any man whether this grant to a Roman Catholic church was
not against both the spirit and the letter of the Protestant
Constitution? Whether it was not an express violation of
the declaration signed by. the Sovereign of these realms?
The Hon. Member for Newark had spoken very plausibly in
favour of this measure. The Right Hon Gentleman had re-
corded his opinions upon the same subject, and it was but fair
that the Members of that House should compare the two opi-
nions. (The Hon. Member then quoted from Mr. Gladstone's
pamphlet, in which he strongly objected to the grant to
Maynooth.) He should oppose the second reading of this
measure.

Col. T. WOOD said that he perfectly concurred in the
propriety of the measure proposed by the Right Hon. Baro-
net, and he would state the grounds on which he intended
to vote for it. The Hon. Member who had last spoken,
had founded his opposition upon a religious principle.
But he did not agree with Hon. Members that this measure
would be an invasion of the rights of the Church of England.
Let it be recollected that, by the Emancipation Act, every
subject of the kingdom. to whatever creed belonging, was
placed on terms of equality with his fellow man, in regard to
the enjoyment of civil rights.—(Hear, hear.) It was true
that that measure made an exception in favour of the Pro-
testant religion, so far as the successi'm to the English Crown ;
but, while the English monarch would bo certain to uphold
the dignity of the English Crown, the civil rights of the
subjects should not be lost sight of. —( Hear, hear.) It wss
upon those grounds that he felt disposed to give his vote in
favor of the measure —( Cheers ) He would al-o give his
vote in favour of it, because he did think the Government of
this country were bound to provide a suitable education out
of the revenues of the S'ate for the Irish people.—( Cheers. )
Let it be recollected that the Roman Catholic priests were the
instructors of the Roman Catholic people of Ireland ; that the
peop'e were necessarily thrown upon their clergy for advice
and counsel, when they had none else to look to in a country
long known as suffering from an absentee proprietary.—
(Cheers.) In addition to this, let it be also borne in misel
that hitherto the Catholic people of Ireland not only supported
their own clergy, but were compelled by law to support the
ministers of a religion which was not the religion of the ma-
jority of the Irish people.—(Cheers.) He would contend for
it that this was a measure of justice that should of necessity
have followed a measure of last session—he meant the Catholic
Beqaests Act, and one which would tend more to promote the
peace and welfare of Ireland, than any ether measure that
could possibly be introduced.—( Hear, hear.) He would sup-
port this measure because it showed that some real attention
was devoted to the state of Ireland by the Government since
they came into office • and it should be admitted that the state
of that country for the past two years was unparalleled in the
history of civilization. He regretted that the Roman Catholic
priests should have taken part in the great political
movement to which he alluded; but he did not
mean to say it was the speeches delivered at
their meetings, so much as the whole movement
itself that made ar, impression upon the minds of the people.—
(Hear, hear.) Now he would ask the house, in what manner
would they be prepared to meet the agitation again, should it
be renewed? Were they prepared to meet it by coercion and
martial law, or by means of conciliation ?---( Hear, hear.) He
would say they should meet it by conciliation alone; for if they
tried coercion, and succeeded by that in promoting a temporary
peace, still they would find at the end that conciliation alone
would do.—( Cheers from the Opposition.) He felt pain at
being compelled to differ upon this question from many for
whom he entertained the highest esteem ; but still he would
say that if it had the effect of conciliating Ireland he would not
regret it.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) If this measure
should have the effect of invalidating the claims or stability of
the Established Church in Ireland, he would rather resign his
seat into the hands of those who had honoured him with their
confidence, than vote for it ; but he could not see how the en-
dowment by the State of the Roman Catholic Church in Ire-
land could have such an effect.—(Loud cheers.) In fact,
Ireland was the only part of the world in which it was
found that two Churches of opposite creeds could not exist in
harmony and peace with each other.—( Hear.) Might they,
then, not hope that the time was not far distant when they
should see as happy a state of things in Ireland, and was it not
the duty of the State to endeavour to achieve it 2—( Cheers
from the Opposition.) It had been said that by this measure
the Government would be only arming the Roman Catholic
priests of Ireland with new weapons against the Protestant
Church ; let them rather hope those clergymen would use their
newly-acquired power in furtherance of renewed efforts at the
suppression of crime and vice.—(Loud cheers.) The Ho-
nourable Member then sat down, whereupon, as upon every
similar occasion during the evening, at least twenty Members
rose at once, each endeavouring to catch the Speaker's eye, but
Si: C. NAPIER having succeeded, he said he would not
have presumed to have taken any part in the discussion this
evening, but that he wished to set himself right with his con-
stituents, under all the circumstances, for giving his vote in
favour of this measure.—( Hear, hear. ) He regretted that his
Hon. Friend, the Member for Sheffield, had not deemed it
expedient to persevere with his motion, and take a clear vote
of the House upon it, for he knew many Hon. Members who
-would have supported him, in opposition to what they conceived
to be an obnoxious measure. However, he had perhaps, after
all, acted a discreet part in postponing it ; and when he
did bring it forward, he (Sir C. Napier) hoped to see him do
so in a way that would not cruse the motion to be thrown out
altogether. He (Sir C. Napier) also regretted that the
forms of the House would not permit him to bring forward a
more moderate amendment than that of the Hon. Member for
Sheffield, in the event of his failure, fur, if they did, he
would move that it should be an instruction to the Committee,
that in any Protestant parish in Ireland where it should appear
that there were only four, or less than four, Protestants, that
all the income and emoluments arising from such parishes
should be applied to a fund for the maintenance of the Roman
Catholic College of Maynooth—(Hear, hear.) However,
if the Honourable Member for Sheffield . should not

succeed in carrying, his motion, then be
Charles Napier) would suppi rt the Treasure
the Governeittot.—(Cheers from the Opposition. ) He felt
that in d sing this he would he giving offence to a great numb"'
of his constituency. who felt very strongly on this questiol;
but rimy, iihstandii g that, he would ever go straightforward lo
the support of even measure that he considered just, and ftir;
and reasonable.—( Cheers. ) When he considered the pre_en
state of Ireland (though, at present, there was no need to ap;
prehend a war with America ), yet, he would ask. Ras Just
the time !o throw a firebrand into that country'?—("e"-)
Sine, this measure had first heen Lard of one that was in-
tended to be laneugle forward by the Gevetnment—tthe,tb.er
ise yor trot, was not fir him now to question—he would ,•t
that had been looked forward to with so much anxiety, Hui,
the rejection of it stow would have the effect of placing Irelatto
in a wo-se position th..n ever.—( Hear, hear.) He eta c°,"
ceiv,, that this eountry was bcurid by every tie to conciliate tut
In h people. He was not the man to encourage Continents,
Cathelie ',unifies to excite Catholic Ireland against Protestant_
England—(Hear)—but he would ask, would it not be wise 1°
to give the Irish people any excuse fix
any other counts y against this?—( Hear, hear.) He had hot.
much from the Hon. Member fir Oxford that he regre! ted t°
have heard ; but he would recommend that Hon. Member to
deliberate well upon the course he was pursuing, because jr
land, in time of peace, was not to be quieted but by kin''cestle
and conciliation, and if she were not conciliated, in time ht
war she might become dangerous.—( Hear, hear.) He
be told that it would be folly to attempt to invade Ireland;
those who said so in ht be mistaken. He had heard of the
French Government sending out enormous vessels to all 10,
4
cf the world ; and let it not he forgotten that Ireland would et
one time have been successfully invaded under Napoleon, lcsh
for the disobedience of his admirals. He saw, by the setigl
paper he had received to-day, that several enormous ships
not
been built in that country, intended for foreign stations; het
on
having answered the purpose, they were about to be converted i 17.
steam war vessels, each containing 9,009 men, and well ear
culated for the service for which they were intended.—(Heei
hear.) On those grounds, then, he would say, make Irelen_
happy and contented, and he would defy the world to rev;
duce more brave and loyal subjects.—(Cheers.) If they "'brat
treated in a contrary spirit, then it was impossible to say wst
might be the result. Nothing was more likely than tilt',
foreign Catholic nation should be roused against Enghleui
and then if the Catholic people of Ireland, or a great portieto
them should join that country, see what a position Erig.ein..
would be in by having her best subjects severed from her bLe
justice and discontent.—(Cheers ) The proposition of ~A
Government was no new question. The Legislature el;
already established the precedent for voting a portion of
public money to the education of Roman Catholic priests, arl.o
therefore, it was only carrying out that principle to inert,
the amount.__( Hear.) He was surprised to hear the °e,
Member for Oxford argue against this, for surely, if men
A
were well educated, it would be much more easy for `i,ete
to see into the true lights of the Gospel, than if the! "set
badly educated.—( Cheers.) This country had been trying
the last three hundred years to make Ireland a Protest/et
nation—(Cheers)—anti as they had not succeeded, tow • s,
them try to conciliate them by making them better Catholleo
—(Cheers.) He did think that this was the first step towier,oo
an act of justice towards the Trish people, and coming ",,w,
an opposition Government, call it what they would. Consere,
tive or Tory, he was glad to see it. It did them great cc
and he would give it his strongest and warmest support. ,rbe
Mr. S. O'BRIEN then rase to address the House• ors
question of the Endowment of the Irish Church could not the
he passed by ; it must new be stated in what manner so
Catholic clergy were to be paid, and from what fund• Acing
isolated question, he considered the present measure anr,nio
but a boon. The worst kind of education was that o,„"roas
taught its pupils that which could do them no good. resent
what had already taken place, he could only consider the Preto
as part of a great measure. There was no one more e°,o
to act straightf trward than himself. He believed that
Noltle Lord the Member for London, if he had brougLt t7O,
ward this measure, he would have been justified in doing
and would not have violated any principle he had hitherto
feseee ; but could that he said of the Right Hon. Ber°lle,i'sric
( Hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Dl'
ewes'
had stated that England and Scotland were against the %el
sure. He mieht with eq al truth have stated that the Prot es
of Ulster Was also against it —( Hear.) For his own Par tens
Inns' eonf,s, after giving the measure the best consider old
in his power, he could not give his consent to it He r roe
ask this question. suilio,ing the Noble Lord, the Membe for
London, sitting on that side of the House, had brought that
ward the measure, would it have rec. iced the sanction °f
terisi
House? and would thoae who now sit on the Mitn'esee
benches, if they had supported it, at a new election 0.)
come hack with the majority they now had ?—(Ch.,,,er fer,
H. feund in the course that the Right Hon. Mein"- mooed
Newark had pursued, a warrant for the course he felt h°,,4
to sdept ; he believed th-t the rea-ons that had been llrr,l
in favour of the Bill were extremely erroneous, and ni°o it
all caleu'aeed to carry it into effect. They might dise,glithelie
as they would, but there was an allegiance in the 'es' etelf
priests to a Foreign Power, that would tip onr-ere,
be dangerous to this country. He did not blame the 0° tee
mert for bringing forward this measure, he did not bletlk be
Right Hon. Baronet for its introduction, nor did he tinned;
was to be charged with inconsistency in bringing it fori"ei
he, however, could not give his support to a measure whißse)
considered tended to shake confidence in public inen.-4,„00 s
He believed that upon this subject there was out of on- lest
general distrust of that House, which he would be °lll
party to lend himself to increase. For these reasons he
• not support the motion.
At least twenty Members rose to address the House, buttes
Speaker called upon riot
Mr. WYNNE, who said that the Hon. Member Wool'
thampton had alluded to the names Whig and TOY, eno ears',
ing that the principles of each party had changed of /at' 3' 11
Now he was one who had never assumed the name of 11;10
he had done so, he should say that the course of events of tot,
forty or fifty years, during which he had been in Parlis bee°
had been sufficient to convince him -that that party bang the
mistaken.—( Cheers.) He had seen the Whigs me,,
ge
repeal of the Septennial Act, and the Tories resisting I"__air
had seen on the ccca'ion of the Regency Bill the Tories o' tea
taining the right of that House to provide absolutely ferbotl,
care of the Government, and the Whigs, on the other
It bad
hina
db
thattrheHe therotou
s eb}:e adoptedTach-ijts,
contending for the right of the heir apparent to do s°.
been said twhaitthththise Bill,eehr was
swehwichhich
the Tory party. Was it not consistent with the course adoPos
by the Right Hon. Gentleman
consistent with the course adopted during the whole al/
litical life by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir J. "1..0-sates
who sat near him? Was it not consistent with the Hone
adopted by the Noble Lord who had lately
left that
(Lord Stanley)? With respect to himself (Mr. WYe2.iel be
; be
was proud to say, that during the forty or fifty years 11100'
had had a seat in Parliament, he had uniformly supporte
sores of this character.—(Cheers. )
He remembered "P
in
this question was first debated in that 1100ieb,
1807 or 1603, that the grant to the College of Alaynot".
supported with the view of drawing close the tonne= teat
this country with Ireland. At that time they kne,elbe
Bounaparte had tried, by every temptation, to induce woe
tholic priests to go over to France. He offered to , stae
schools and institutions for them, but the offer vvasrefuselteet
refused most faithfully and generously. He should me. de
that he had been much surprised at hearing, through the
bate, Mr. Burke quitted as an authority against such Wool;
as this, which had been proposed by the present Gover%e
, Only two sentences had been quoted, from the 010 rd she
, Mr. Burke, in proofof Mr. Burke's opinions being egaat'(qlo
grant to Maynooth. Instead of these two sentences bem,rvt
, Wynne) wield have referred to the bulk of 1% nteti'
writings, for there it would have been found that the ateegli
tion of Maynoooth was one which had been °tr.' SS
supported by that great man —( Hear, bear.) wheo
( Air. Wynne) recollected that Lord Fitzwilliamt ores.
Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, recommended from the throodge,
endowment of Ma}nnoth ; and his successor, Lord Cafe si
dwelt, in his speech at the close of the session, on the 'Sue
his having laid the foundation of the College. He d'o4.„,t eseli
, this tact not as havinglaid the foundation stone, by `7lor
smearing the s'one over with mortar, but as showings fists
sition, on the part of the Government, to support end c estri
such an institution. The same view was taken up by 01 1:4
to which the Hon. Gentleman (Mr O'Brien) belong! •Dfr.
Mr. Pitt, by Lord Castlereagh, and by Lord coestwaill'gse'
Pitt hart sta.ed in that House, that the establishment 0' cool,
nooth would be the means of uniting the tys° e) dies
tries. in considering this question, he (Mr. grYn-eee",
no' look to what was the intern-t of the country fifty y 0
ago, but what was the interest of the country at the ne 900
time. He felt that the; Bill would confer great benet,,gl3iP
the country to which it was intended to apply. IPstetsif
would, to a vertaie extent, do away with the voluntary' Onion
and on that ground he supported it. The effect of the
sad e'
tary system was to make the priests the followers insfed bi
the leaders of the people. Where a priest was strePe tree%
the coon ibution from the parish, there would be sf
tee
temptation for him not to run counter to the wishe°,° wit's
parishioners. He remembered the case of a pries re the,
'f
having denounced from the altar certain parties who ~.-efov,
leaders of some public disturbance, was deprived of hisilisb) ,
contributions. He (Mr. Wynne) thought that his sodO.,
Hon. Friend was entitled to great credit for the Man"? '
courageous manner in which he had brought forward the`
measure, and he holed, and had the fullest confidenc\
he would carry it to a successful termination.—(Cbeetie
Mr. COWPER, who was very indistinctly heard in tor.
lery, said he was anxious to state the grounds on which 07,bicP
ported this me'asure. He thought that all the objectiene "
had been urged to it had centred in religious grounds., 00
thought that any other objection which might be urgeh",tee
hardly worth debating. and he was confirmed in this view ,j
speech of the Hon. Member for Newcastle( Mr.Colquhono/0' ber
(Mr. Cowper) agreed both with the Hon. Baronet the It'.
for Oxford and the Hon. Member for Kent, in their °Pleb
with respect to Protestantism. But, although he agreed %tee
great portion of their premises, he could not come to the
conclusion which they had done. He believed that the gr tiiett
possible blessing hail flowed on this country from Protestnnotisei
and nothing wou'd grieve him more than that Protests iysti,
should be endangered. Protestantism gave the right Of Pe sou
judgment, allowed the supremacy of individual conscience' got
toleratiEi
em for those who differed from it. Still be c' pro.
think that the present Bill would affect the principles °')feet'
testantism. Thegronnd upon which the Hon. Baronet the f to
her for Oxford resisted this Bill was that we ought %ion!
vote any money in support of religioilusearllarth./
which we be believed to be erroneous.—(
There were, indeed, Acts of Parliament to be found 100'
time of Henry VIII., Edward VI., and Elizabetbnio esso
one religion was called false and another true; and if, &SOP
stated in an Act of Parliament in the reign of Queenth esei
the present measure stated that this grant to Mayn°°,o io
given for the maintenance of teaching of truth, he !e his
that case resist it to the utmost—he would rather per" slot:
than vote for it.—( Hear, hear.) i.„ But as thi! 7eat
did not state that it was to support the truth ie
grant was to be given, and as there was ne=ws
the Bill to show that the doctrines taught at 0"i frow
were erroneous, there was no reason to prevent Woof°
voting for it. Another argument urged against the ants to
was that it was a violation of the conscience of Protest°, hi
contribute money to maintain what was considered erili tho,
them ; but it was not altogether true that Protestants Pailbeteo
money, for Roman Catholics as well as Protestants conttestote
to the consolidated fund. Besides he thought the Prnctteelo
of England owed some compensation to the Roman Liaeseel•
of Ireland for the manner in which they treated their rel'esrer
It ought not to be forgotten in those discussions that tn_heythelies'
made any setious efforts to convert the Irish Roman tia. patiee
for they never preached the Gospel to them irrtbeir tee is
e_ei
so t 1
tongue. And Dr. King, Archbishop of Dublin, Pro t
convocation against the conduct of Parliament :elle-
ground. He did not think it would be much esisting
to Pretestanism that it adopted the present mode of roseate
this grant. He thought that Protestants ought rather. `terfers
fine themselves to argument and persuasion, and not
with a measure which was calculated to do justice L'"
la
Mr.
Hear, hear.) mar
Mr. GREGORY did not think that the present odd'
had been discussed as fully as one of such importance den? lief!
He wished Hen. Gentlemen w old dismiss theoretics, e,
from their consideration, and look at the present Ineassrafeeti
in an absolute, but a relative, point of view, and to sheen pre'
which were likely to arise from it. He thought tbat
Char
sent measure, like the Dissenters' Chapels Bill and the 0100'
table Bequests Act, would have the effect of still morevis Oen°
ing the Protestant establishment in that country. ,e` esce
"W ,
hear.) He doubted whether the measure :" tn •
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