Star.
London, England, 1830-02-12 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

The CH ANCE 14 LOR of the EXCHEQUER
of the day, for the house resolving itself into • Committee of Supply.
Mr. R. GORDON, adverting to the promise contained in the
speech from the throne as to the system of economy which it was
intended in future to pursue, said he had a question in reference to
that subject, to put to the right hon. gent. the Chancellor of the
Exchequer. Such hon. members as happened to be magistrates must,
have been in the habit of signing affidavits made by half-pay officers'
on receiving their pay,in which affidavits they swear that they are
not in the possession or receipt of the emoluments of any civil em.
ployment whatever under the Crown. He wished to know from the
right honourable gentleman, whether in fact the servants of his Ma-
jesty, who at present held military rank as officers in the army, and'
who were in the receipt of the emoluments attached to their civil
employments were also in the receipt of their military pay, or whe-
thee the regulation in question extended only to half-pay officers,
and did not affcct officers on full pay. Ile believed the impression
was, that the regulation also affected officers on lull pay, who would
be therefore liable to have their pay withheld while holding civil ai.
tuations under the Crown; and he understood that the unattached
general officers, amounting, he believed, to 130, were likewise con.
sidered as upon fall pay. He conceived that, in times like these,
the members of his majesty's government, who were in receipt of
their full pay while holding office under the crown, would do a be.
coming act in giving it up. lie should also extend his inquiry to
officers in the navy, and to general officers holding regiments. In
point of fact, general officers holding regiments received under that
head alone, 0001. and 700/. and frequently SUOL a year, in addition
to whatever emoluments they derived from civil employments. lie
wished to know whether it was a fact that particular members of the
administration, and public servants of the crown, who were in the
receipt of their civil allowances, continued to receive, at the same
time, their naval or military pay ?
The CHANCELLOK of the EXCHEQUER said the hon.
member would have better obtained the information be desired by•
moving for a return of the numberof officers in the receipt of civil al-
lowancea. As far as it was in his power, he (the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer) would give to the lion. gent. all the information that he pos-
sessed on the subject. It was a fact that general officers holding regi-
ments did not forfeit their military allowance on obtaining civil
employments, as the former had been given to them as re-
wards for military services, of which it would be hard to de-
prive them upon their acceptance of civil situations. Such, he be.
lieved, had been the uniform practice from the earliest period. He
was not aware that any half-pay general officers were in the civil
service. With re-pect to the navy, he believed that the only officers
receiving naval half pay while holding civil offices, were the two
naval Lords of the Admiralty, and it had always been the custom to
consider them as persons employed in their professional capacity,
and who therefore did not forfeit their half.nay by holding such
situations.

Mr. Alderman IVAITH MAN would oppose the going into a
cominium of supply at this late hour, and without having the no.
cessars documents before them, illustrative of the state of the coon.
try. lie should therefore move as an amendment that the house dO
new adjourn.
Mr. HU.IE was not inclined to move the adjournment of the
House ' • but lie would suggest to the right honourable gentleman
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) the propriety of postponing at
this late hour (past twelve o'clock) such an important motion. He
recollected some few years ago the House adopted a very good as.
solution, that of not voting a single shilling of money after 12 o'clook;
and it was his (Ma. Hume's) intention, and that of other merrilieso;
to enforce that salutary practise this session. He had been fame
1 o'clock that day in attendance in the house; lie should shortly he
in attendance probably from I t o'clock till 12 at night, and ha
really-thought that the public business should be brought on at se
earlier hour in the evening.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained that
this was a mere tonnal wote,--namely, that a supply should be
granted, and until the house agreed to it, they could riot enter upon
a discussion of the supply itself, nor could the public estimates be
laid before them. He agreed as to the propriety of the practice of
not voting money after 12 o'clock, but this was merely a formal vote,
and he trusted the amendment would not be pressed.
Mr. Alderman WA ITH 11A PI bad an objection to voting any
supply until the dieseeerof the country was taken into eonakkratten.
They should know what minister, intended to do before they granted
any supply; he was not desirous to press his amendinetit, bat he
trusted the motion would be postponed.
Mr. PHEI. said it had been already observed, that an impression
had gone abroad that they talked a greet deal in that house and did
little, and the amendment was calculated to prevent them
from doing any thing, for the estimates could not be laid before
them, until they agreed that a supply should be granted. The
motion, which was only pro ferwre, would have been made earlier
but fur the discussion which had occupied the house.
Lord ALT H ORP, though convinced of the necessity for eametny,
and for the greatest possible reduction of taxation, at ad
much as any honourable member, wired not oppose this deem!
vote, which would enable the house to have the attn... WI be.
fore it (ilear).
Mr. Aid. WAi'IIIMAN said, he should net rest his mei&
mot under such circumstances (hear, bear).
The Alluvia of BLANDFORD—To the question you haW
now put, Sir, I must age& say decidedly no. 1 will not consent to
vote one shilling of the piddle money until the alarming state of the
country be taken into censidiredien—.untilthb sufferings of tberopti
be relieved...—until the 'slimiest they complain of be rearmed: It
little concerns voe whether for ors acting I 'shall ha stigmatised matt.
tious, or branded as a vettadelhe mpueens, . interrupting PrOeMdi!.
which, without a nerliordwo adhra In Ibis house, I 'cannot Middy,
avert. But my determididen is Ishii.: and as lam convinced that
hie Majesty has been gromiy hermit upon and deceived as to the
amnia the dimmers- of his !people, I Conceive that the belt mode
of avrahlisting the royal mind ton follsemie of the es ister.ei of such
;distress Dew presents itself in the constitutional form of *Withholding
Ishetneiplies about io be asked at our hands. I therefore move that
thisthernte do now adjourn.
The gallery was accordingly cleated, and the house divided, when
there appeared,
roe the autendrnent

... ...
Against it ... ... ... 1111
. Majority against the amendment ... 141.
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urging upon ministers die propriiity4Fbpiegteg fortrint the p
modaerof. man, catty tom nod& vorning4 tied peeing'arireifan keg
tabs hemmed, the emiii.till nor Ifweitiat et L
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owl .his colleague, w beig gimp!!;-the ptitdo busimm nreitirlind
with thV.dreeloiry arthe' tintless .reitit le .the:treoilig; but if'dm
rionsibera 4444 Gorsitimest win to ittifit upon irtry usemiutr *pelf
their right to mite preettlenco of 'edicts with . Mo. pubilli"
many Win. gut mirt.to suaki be prevented from bringing *mei pal.

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Tate bills, or pilitlami 3-miont of great public interest and utility.
There was no divaiiiom lie could assure the hon. member, oath::
part of the Gorernmert, to force on the publk Indines., or to take
tho house at all unawares.
Mr. BUME suggested thstwaroedays should be fixed when th:
Public businese. should take! precedence °teem-thing eke.
Mr. PEEL said it was already understood that upon Fridaysand
~Mondays the treasury business took precedence of all other matters.
and he would repeat, that there was every disposition on the part of
the government to bring forward money. votes at the earliest possible
hour in the.evening.
Mr. HUM E would understand, then, that no money votes woul.l
'be moved fur after twelve o'clock. lie was determined to adhere to
I die good old practice of the late enemies for Coventry. who alw..y.
kept Ws eye on the clock when it approached twelve, and after it
had struck opposed the doing daisy further public business. By
adhering to such a practice, hon. members would be able to get Sii
their beds early, and tie public would be beneatted by having their
business properly done.
The original motion was then put, and agreed to, and the hewer
resolved its'M into a cottunittee of supply, Sir A. Cirant in ti:,
chair. The chsirman havirg read that part of his Majesty's speeett
relating to the supplies, the following resolution was proposed by
the Chancellor a the klehequer, and agreed to That it is th •
opinion of this committee that a supply should b: granted to his
Majesty.''
The house having resumed, the ruolution was reported to th-
house, a•id the report was ordered to be brought np to-morrow (this
day.)
BOROUGH OF CART ISE rIrOND.
Mr. N. CALVERT presented a bill fee the prevention of bribery
and corruption in the election of burgesses to sere.: in padiamei•t for
the borough of East Retronl.
Read a first time, ordered to be read n second time, and to be
printed.

11,111VGIII LER*. FAMILIES.
Lord OLORGE LENNOX presented a hill foe the relief of ps.
fishes tram the expanre of supporting the families of latiugglrts,
aho had been anal to serve on board his majesty's navy.--Itead ti.e
first date, and ordered to be read the second time on Monday next.
Mr. til oiE expressed his opinion, that a little more time ought
to he given fur the consideration of this uieasuse. The Cbancellee
of the f.xeliequer ought to allow every tacitly for esamining a
measure which. was at all connected with the expenditure of the
public money.
Lord GEOKIII-E LENNOX add, if the hon. member had been
present when he moved for leave to bring in the Lill, he would hat',
seen that it had nothing to do with the public money. The.intent
of the Lill was tp pmvide for the support of the wives and families
of smugglers who were matt to melee in his majesty's navy t and tier
that purpose it vas proposed that two.thirds ot their salaries, should
be set apart.
The bin was then ordered to be printed.
Adjourned at a Quarter to One o'clock.

RESOLUTIONS PROPOSED 24Y LOND HOWICE, RESPECTINti
BRIBERY AT ELLCTIOKS.
That bribery has been repeatedly and habitually employed to it.-
(thence the election of ineinhers of Parliament.
That this fact has been often established, never denied, and was
especially proved at the bar of this house, in the first session of the
present Parliament, in the casts of Penryn and Hest Relined.
That it is notorious that a similar 'nutlet Is openly resorted to
in many of the cities and boroughs of the United Kingdom.
That the recent disfranchisement of Grampound does not app:as
to have in any degree diminished the prevalence of this evil.
That the house, therefore, finding that the passing of specific bills
directed againt particular casts, has neither had the effect of remov.
ing the existence or arresting the progress of corruption, is of opi.
nion that its character may best be vindicated by abandoning these
useless and expensive preetedings, in order to adopt some general
and comprehensive measure, the only means of effectually checking
so sethaalous an abuse.

HOUSE OF LORDS—Tina DAY.
—.so_
Lord Holland—To bring forward a motion on the subject M
Greece.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—This DAN.

ODDER OVTHS DAY.
Supply—The Chancellor of the Exchequer, to moat " Tliat a
Supply be granted.”

:roller: OF MOTION.
Sir J-mes GraltaM—To move that it be an instruction to the
Committee of Supply to nuke a reduction of pay and salaries to the
standard of 1796.