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London, England, 1829-03-07 00:00:00

; but tie Lotal inu,t rhyubtless be aware of the
manner in which the ptition from Burnley had been got
alp. It was a petition not proposed at any public meet-
ing, but got up in a private manner, and sent round the
town and neighbowring villages for signatures. He field ih
his hand a letter to that effect, and also inkrnting him that
a counter-petit:on was about to he,rat up in the s•tmc

The petition was rend.
The Marquis of CIIANDOS rose to pre!rnt another
)),tition against the CAtholic Claims.

PAULET ST. JOHN ?.IILDMAY put it to the
Time.: whether they ought to go on receiving petitions at
that t•• or of the evening.. They laid now been sitting two
tours and a half, and as they were likely to rise almut
tlee;ve .'elock, there would be no more than six liners kit
for the tliscus:iion of the great question which all were
•rroxierus to set at rest. Tire eyes of the country were
turn them, and ihey ought to a•voiil *every unnecessary
Ylelay. The peti-ions not yet resented might be brought
op on a future evening, with equal advantage to the pit--
ties frevA whom they Arnie.—(Hear, hear.)—lle moved
th.e Order of the .7.?ay for resuming- the adjourned debate
upon the -root:ion of going into a Committee upon the
Catholic DAMN.

Mr. 71ENRY GRATTAN rose, and was about to ad-
dress the House, when

The SPEAKER askei if the Flog. Almnber rose to
seeo:ul the Amendment?

Mr. HENRY GRATTAN rose for the purpose of
aniking a motion.

The SPEA'KER said, the Hon. Mambet must he aware
th:it onlie no motion aft.-zr an amendment had
been ma-red. He then asked who secanded the amend.
sawnt is

11.1 r. HENRY GRATTAN said, he was about to move
amen.lnvut.

The St'AINIEI: told the Hon. Member that the Hontse
too dd not entertain two Amendments at the same time.
The 31trgitis of CHANDOS here obserrett, that if he
NV prevente ''com preaenting petitir:m, he would divide
the Hot Ne. Surely the people_ bad a right to be heard
within the walls of that Hmise.

Mr. Secretary Plan was quite sure that his Noble
Friend would agree with him in thinking that !Am ;twos-.
s'on upon this important question ouglq, to be conducted
with evety good feeling on both sith", and that it tvoul4 ill
(Peony.) Hon, Members to tlitfer and mike a staid upon
treltay points.—( Heat-) letr.)—Being on his legs, it
Wight, perhaps, b.:2 convenient that he should state, at th't
'stage of the preeeedings the course which he meant to purs
sue. If he should to night or any other night sot:seed in
s•intying the motion last night brought forward, he wouhl
then move a Resolution for the Repeal of all the Civil Di!"-
ohilities under which the Roman Cabo lal.ec.ed, with
sufficient security with respect to Chwtel and State, and
the safety of tire Protestant Estalfl.ishm.mt, and the rights
*NO privileges of the ProtestAtlt Clergy. If that Resolution
was agre.cd to, he would then move for leave to bring in a
jlf fnunded on that Resolution ; and also for leave to bring
in another Bill to regulate the Elective Franshitie,-4oud
cries of " Hear, hear.'')—This to could not expect to do
before Monday next, and then he should feel quite satisfied
to have the printed, and wait until the following Mon-
day, when lion. n0ni,,:41, would conic to the discussion
with a knowledge of the measures proposed by aovern-
Lnent.—(Hear, hear.)—lle knew the kind and generous
nature 01 his Noble Friend (the Marquis of Chandos) too
well, net to suppose that he would, under such circum-
stances, give way, mu( allow the petitions to be presented
at a future stage of the proceedings.—(Hear, hear.)
The Martinis of CHANDOS sail, 1;e should feel happy
himself of the suggestion of his Right Hon. Friend
opon any other occasion ; but at present lie was deter-
rnintst to act up= his own judgment, and would cent iinly
the House upon the motion before it.
Mr. P. MILDMAY said it was not his intention to
press to a division. He would leave it to the Noble Lord
to consider hoe far it was right to stop public business by
the introduction of petitions, which might be presented
with equal effect at a future period.
_ _

Mr. Sccretary PEEL said it ',vas hardly fair to interrupt
los Noble Friend in pre.enting the petitions entrusted to
Lim. (Cries of " Go on, go on.")
The petition crts thr presented, and ordered to lie on
the table..

Colonel SIBTHORPE, in rising to present a petition
against further concessions, said it was the duty of that
House to pau.e before they proceeded with this question.—
(Hear, hear.)—lt was their duty not to proceed any fur-
ther with this detestable Bill.—(Loud laughter, and cries
of hear.)—lt was a measure that would sap the best
strengh of the Constitution--(Hear, hear.)—He did say
that it was their duty to abstain from proceeding any fur-
ther with the measure.—(Cheers and laughter.) Hon.
rilernbrrs might laugh—he cared as little for their smiles as
lie did for their frowns—he should treat them both with
ereign contempt.—(Cheers and laughter.)—lf they
wet,: disposed to smile, he would say, "rise inepto res
aneptior n ulla est."—(Cheers.)—He begged to be allo wed to
bring up the petition.—lt was received, and °Meted to lie
on the table.

Loud cries of " Peel, Peel!
the midst of which—

[—debate, debate !" arose, in

Mr. PALLIER addressed the House. Me said that,
in his opinion, there was no subject snore deserving the
immediate attention of the House than the petitions of the
people. With that feeling he would divide the House
against proceeding with the discussion while a single peti-
tion remained to be presented, even though he should di-
vide it alone.

An Hon. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn,
trusted that time would be allowed to allay the angry feel-
ings at presentexisting, and to prevent the repetition of such
extraordinary speeches as that wLich had recently been
delivered.

The call for resuming the debate here became so loud
and general, that the Speaker rose to put the question;
and a division took place, when the numbers were—
For 'resuming the debate 205
fsgainst it 76
Majority —l29
Mr. C. GRANT—I should be unwilling to trespass on
the attention of the House at this moment ; but, Sir, I
must confess that I feel myself extremely desirous of ex-
pressing my opinion with respect to the subject of this de-
bate. If the House will permit me, I will, however, first
refer to one remark made by an Hon. Friend of mine (the
Member for Oxford) in the course of his speech last night.
He observed, that the ground on which this measure is at
present put forward is entirety changed from what it has
been for some years past ; for that it has been for a long
time advocated upon principles of right and justice, but
is now moved on the principles alone of expediency anal
necessity. As I have always been the humble, but sincere
and zealous advocate of such a measure, I may be per-
mitted to say, that in my present as itt my past opinion, I
retain most cordially my admiration of those great prin-
ciples. And if we do not press those principles as formerly,
it is not that we are in the slightest degree less sensible of
their importance and worth ; but because the question is
now surrounded with peculiar and additional eircumetancee;
and it is in reference to these circumstances that,the ground
of necessity is now adopted. As often as this question has
been brought forward by the great men now no more, it has
been advocated on the grounds of inviolable right and
justice, but it has also been advocated, at the same time,
on the ground of necessity.—( Hear, hear.)—That necessity
has been stated to be more or less remote ; it has 'owe
questioned by some—it has been denied by many; but
there is this peculiarity in the subject, at the present
moment, that the necessity is no longer distant or
remote, or only barely probable, but it is above us,
around us, and upon us, and presses us on every
side. I do not think I am taking an exaggerated view of the
stateof feeling created by this subject, when I express my opi -
that this country never was in a more critical situation
than at the commencement of the present Session. I
have heard it, even up to the last moment, denied that
any necessity existed to the degree stated by his Ma-
jesty's Ministers, and by other Members of this House,
but I beg to call their attention to a circumstance which
may make them doubt the correctness of that denial ;
the necessity was shown by the state of the country—a
state proved by this special fact, that when the Session
commenced the Roman Catholic people of Ireland, consist-
ing of 6,000,000 of persons, were in such a state of ir-
ritation that the word of a single man would have been
sufficient to produce a conflagration, and to spread over
the country the horrors tof a civil war. I lament ,that
this should have been the case, but so it was; and I
wonder that those gentlemen who are peculiarly connected
with Ireland, and who feel so anxiously about this
question, should not have recollected that circumstance.
Look at the petitions lying on your table from those who
oppose these claims, and see if in the state of society
which they describe there is not enough to disgrace a
Country like England, which governs a nation in such a
in inner as to produce such evil effects,' The facts put
forth on both sides prove that thestertebNikietfiVas con-
vulsed from its foundation. But-to'Preve this, it would"'
be enough to advert to thee great political phenomenon--
that new dominion which controuled and divided. ttle diet:vernment, and which protected theTerliettoerstettiat Was
.noble to protect iteelf.,-,(Chafree),,e-Thaf. was a power
which levied a revenue from the County, and it could not
be removed but by a measure like the present. Sir, lam
not here to approve of the Catholic Association—l censure
many of their actions, and more of their words; but
it would be idle to attempt to separate the Catholic As-