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London, England, 1827-05-08 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MONDAY, MAY 7.

The Speaker took the Chair this evening at the usual
hour, and upon the door being opened, the gallery was
immediately filled.
Several new Members were then sworn at the table,
amongst others the Hon. Wm, lamb, who had vacated
his seat by accepting the office of Secretary for Ireland.

Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD withdrew his motion
on the State of Ireland, which stood for to-morrow evening.
The Marquis of CHANDOS said, that the Hon. Gen-
tleman having changed his seat since he had given notice
of the motion in question, sufficiently accounted for the
withdrawal of that motion. The Hon. Gentleman and
those who, like him, had changed their seats, did not feel it
convenient, nor were not at liberty now to express the
opinions which they held when at the Opposition side.—
(Hear, hear.)—But Le (the Marquis of Chandos) would
inform those Honourable Gentlemen, that if they failed to
express the opinions they so lately held, the country would
know to what the change of sentiment ought to he
ascribed—(Hear, hear,)—and the character of an English
Whig would no longer be an object of admiration.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD sail. he did port feel himself at
all accountable for acting according to his own discretion
in withdrawing any motion, last of all was he accountable
to those who oppo..nd every proposal for the improvement
of that country which his motion was intended to affect.—
(Hear, hear.)
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE rose to order. Ile submitted
that there was no question before the House.
The SPEAKER said, that. the Hon. Member un-
questionably was out of order, hut he wished Hon.
Members who were watching the regularity of the pro-
ceedings, would have the impartiality to interfere before
an Hon. Member had spoken on one side of the question.
—(Hear, and laughter).
Upon the presentation of a petition from Chester, by
Lord BELaRAvr, against any further concession to the
Roman Catholics, _

Sir H. HARDINGE rose to express hisaurprise at the
extraordinary manner in which Hon. Members on the Mi-
nisterial side attempted t') smother the Catholic question.
It was not a sine 'qua ;;.on, as the Hon. Member (Sir F.
Burdett) termed it, but a sine die question. He (Sir 11.
Hardinge) always had and always would vote in favour of
Emancipation ; but he could not forget that the Hon. Mem-
bers who now wished to postpone the question of Emancipa-
tion, had a short time ago asserted that the frequent dis-
cussion of that question was the only way to promote it—
(Hear, hear. ).—An Hon. Gentleman, (Mr. Brougham)
talked of the persecution and oppression of the Catholics,
and yet that Hon. and Learned Gentleman, now consented
to abandon those claims, and to support the present Ad-
ministration upon principles which God only knew. He
was justified in this observation, because the Honourable
Gentleman and his party, only agreed with the pre-
sent Prime Minister in one question, differing with bins
in all others.—(Hear, bear, hear.)—He could not
forget that the Hon. and Learned Gent. to whom he be-
fore alluded had charged the Right Hon. Gent. at the bead
of affairs, with truckling for office, and surely other Hon.
Members might now retort, for the Hon. and Learned
Gent. had taken his place at that side of the House with •
out any satisfactory reasons for such a change. In his
(Sir H. Harding's) opinion, in Consistency, honesty, and
good faith, every Member who postponed a question was
bound to state the reasons which occurred between March
and May, to induce him to take such acourse.—(Cheers.)

Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD had no hesitation in
stating that he had withdrawn his motion, because he feared
that by persevering in bringing it on, he should inflict an
injury on the Catholic cause, and his opinion on this point
was borne out by the unanimous opinion of the Catholics
themselves. He was not accountable to any person for
choosing his own side of the House, but he had no hesita-
tion in declaring that he stood at the side he now did to
advocate and support the same opinions he held when
at the opposite side of the House, and also to sup-
port an Administration which, however embarrassed
by faction, he was convinced intended well to the
Empire, and particularly to that country, the inte-
rests of which he (Mr. Fitzgerald) had most at heart.
For those reasons he stood where he now did, and he had
an additional reason, in the desire to oppose that cabal to
which the Noble Lord and the Gallant Gentleman had
leagued themselves.
A 'MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, said

it had been observed in that House that there was no dif-
ference between the Tories and the Whigs. For his part,
he thought there was a great difference between them.—
They (the Whigs) had been induced to enlist under the
banner of the Right Hon. Gentleman, who was firmly
opposed to any reform in Parliament. It does not now,
indeed, suit their convenience to take into consideration, or
grant, Catholic Emancipation. They are afraid, on their
own account, to agitate the question. He deprecated the
practice of raising the Catholics at one time to the highest
pinnacle, and at another dashing them down to the deepest
despair—not by their open opponents, but by their friends.
In this case the Catholics would be justified in going into
open rebellion.
Lord HOTIIAM said many cases had concurred to
make up his mind to give his confidence to the Right Hon.
Gentleman to whose discretion his Majesty had intrusted
the formation of an Administration. He would say, how-
ever, that he highly respected those Gentlemen who had
seceded from his Majesty's Government—and those were
wrong who arraigned them either of cabal or conspiracy ;
but although there might not be a conspiracy, there might
have been a tacit understanding between those Gentlemen
as to the course they were to pursue, in the interval be-
tween the melancholy event which deprived the country of
the services of the Earl of Liverpool, and that period when
the Right Hon. Gentleman was intrusted by his Majesty
with the formation of an Administration. Can any man
believe that during that interval no communication was
made between them ? He thought, for one, he must come
to the conclusion that there was a tacit understanding,
though not a direct one, as to the course they were to pur-
sue. He had confidence in the present Government, and
that confidence was not diminished by seeing those well-
tried friends around the Right lion. Gentleman. He
could see no incongrity, no impropriety in the part taken
by:those Gentlemen, when he saw but an ideal shade of
difference between the moderate men on one side and on
the other. He, therefore, could see nothing incongruous
or extraordinary in those men joining heart and hand in
fellowship to work together for the public good.
A MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, said