The Sun.
London, England, 1842-08-03 00:00:00

Mr. WILLIANS moved as an amendment, ',that the
Bill be re-committed.
Mr. J. lIEATHCOAT thought the Bill" aels'erved
greater consideration than it had received, slid lie Shoe .
therefore support the motion of the Hon, _Member
Coventry. He thought if the Bill were re-comaqtted iS
would save time. His first of to the Bill-was th_j''s
it introduced a principle that was never acknowledge'
by the law of the country, and to which the greate4
authorities had expressed themselves decidedly, hostile,
He alluded to the principle of secrecy. Hecosild
see how trade could be carried on under this Bill wlte
anything like fairness or advantage. The Bill sorryl
aflord great amusement to the lawyers, but very ,
amusement to those who were subjected to its operatious
He would like to know from the Right Hon. Gentlel
what the shopkeepers were to do with their goods.
this Bill passed into a law ? How was a shopkeeper 11
some remote parts of Scotland, Ireland, or Englaass
to know whether or not a particular design a.
pirated or not ? Every manufacturer by the obis
ration of this Bill would be liable to hive b"
properly confiscated. He also complained that there
was no competent tribunal established by the Bill tO tri
the patent right. The difficulty seemed to him to,ic°ll:
si-t in finding out what was to be designed.—Olet"
hear.) Then it was referred to the Magistrates to dete,l;
mine what was the nature of the design. He tbougP
that the Magistrates know very little about the deter,
and he would have less objection to the Bill if the der;
urination of the subject was left to the Magistrates wtc.re
ratser than to the Magistrates themselves.—(oe,ll;
hear, and laughter.) There was nothing defined.in
Bill, as to what constituted a new design. Ahnostieo
existing designs were mere compounds. The Bill CO,es
do flu good—it might do much evil. It would u'is
by common informers to harrass tradesmen, of
the hopes of profit, and by. the competitors ) ,
tradesmen as a means of annoyance.
He cautioned the House -against this reek
se
mania for legislation on subjects of which the lie
could know nothing.—(Cheers.) It appeared to of
that if an individual went to France, secured 'copiegar,
their designs for the spring market, brought these, ti
signs to England. and registered them under this Acre
that that individual would, by means of this Bill, seetio.
to himself a monopoly of the importation of FrenchAlaiii
nufactures. When patterns were manufacture". os
France for the next spring trade, a person nsigtg
Over, and by acting cautiously, copy the pattern,d br;
it over here and enter it under this Bill and ill
copyright in it. His advice was, not, to pass: tbi'to
this year, but to leave its consideration to ..esna
session.
Mr. E. ELLICE hoped the Right Hon. Gentlealus
would pause before he passed this Bill. lie kiieSir "10
little time the Right Honourable Gentleman had..p
to such subjects, but he thought if he had'- PPir
himself to the consideration of this Bill, and the fe;ho
tious provision referred to by the Hon. Gentlemanrst
had just sat down, he would have hesitated before.o,
had undertaken to ride the hobby of the late r,,s
Member for Belfast, whose spirit for legislation latl,:a•
ried him so far as to believe that the House could lvel-#1
late effectively on this subject. He (Mr. Ellice/arc's/0
not go over the various details of the Bill, but be of,
led to understand that the lace trade would not :01
fected by it ; but now, after the desultory proaeetbe
which had taken place, it was discovered that that St
was involved with many others affected by the Bill•ssel
thought that trade ought to have had fair notice. •L'lbt
ought to have been allowed to lay their case before to
House. It was impossible for any two Magistraterso
decide what was a new or what was an old pattern- ;is
Bill provided that the case should be decided by tos
gistrate, who was unable to tell whether theSpatatio
was new or old. He (Mr. Ellice) would not exte,rlie
discussion, but he prayed the Right Hon. Gent'e4
br
who knew how important it was that trade show this
unfettered, not to expose trade to the evils whieh
Bill was calculated to inflict upon it. With resPelsS
the place he (Mr. Ellice) represented, he did net
no
theD Bill
r. BOWLwould do either goo
od or harm. f
ING had bjection to the objects. °Jo'
Bill, but he thought the machinery of the Bill we, ;0'
gether objectionable. He thought the protection °
right was, on the whole, a desirable object ; but, ti'-oal
was not absolutely necessary to prosperity, weir:Prto'
by the fact that in Switzerland there had been great Piss
gress in invention, notwithstanding the absencepf
tection. The mode of obtaining redress 1)1000
Bill was highly objectionable. Unless they- irsci
provide some prompt means of preventing ,Pl/00::
it would be better to have no protection at
hear.) He hoped that the Right Hon. Gentleman 40
reconsider the subject, with a view to bringing for
more mature measure in another session. bslit
Mr. HUME objected to the Bill, on the grounw oaf
would add to the restrictions on commerce which striugel
existed, and which had been proved to have pre`leses
the greatest mischiefs. If the Right Hon. atri"
wished the manufactures and industry of the cone osl
extend, he must free them from their shack e'
must not throw impediments in their way. gcser till
fore hoped the Bill would be allowed to stancl-rr„
next session, and that a new Committee would the
pointed by the Government. lie would support
amendment of the Hon. Member.
Mr HENLEY hoped the Right Hon. anoo
would allow the Bill to be re-committed, and w.Pel torsin
tbe
further time for consideration. lie objectEwd'Tt°
¢nts,
w ts,
r
power of the Magistrates to give distresl
gard Eat'
and to the difference made between line°
land and Ireland. had fall
Mr. M. PHILIPS coincided with. what , Ile.
fro the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat t?
feltm much obliged to the Gentleman who had lass stl):froo
for the statements they had made_ with regard teip
legal part of the question. lie had, on Saturday fof
recommended the Government to withdraW this Bin or
the present session. He had on that occasion allude'tbo
the fact that 2,0001. had been subscribed towards so
Belfast election by certain gentlemen, among whosicii
Mr. Henry, a calico printer, and he had. tort spy
thought that many of the calico printers had err
scribed to it. He had since then received a lette?o,torilill
Mr. Henry, which, in justice to that gentleman, iteelet'
read to the House—(l he Hon. Member here readtt,ors
ter —in which Mr. Henry distinctly repudiated the
ti' ion that the money in question had. been subsfesi
on account of Mr. Emerson Tennent having .50,rret-Sie
this Bill.) Mr. Henry stated that he was the ontY, bog
printer who had subscribed to that fund which bout,
raised by gentlemen, friends of Mr. Emerson. Tea.
and admirers of his political character. In justice !roe is
Henry he read that letter, and at the same tl Ise
begged to state that in referring to Mr. Emmerson..os
neat on that occasion he had not had the remotest l'ittS
lion of throwing any imputation on the charaete,r
Emerson Tennent. The question put by the lionou tine
Member for Tiverton was well worthy of consideraa sit
What was an original design ? He held in his hallals)
of the ugliest patterns he had ever ti seen.—(A Aoef
(The Hon. Member here exhibited the patternia cst,
tion to the House, which certainly answered the 05
ratter given of it.) Now that horribly ugly pattel 1/0
claimed as an original design. The history tlf_i/eftel
this. Two manufacturers in England had gone do
Paris, and each had purchased, at the sameslagefaljtsel
the same time, the pattern in question. nea.ra
tbt
parties had arrived in England a few days lief° b
other, and had published the pattern first, altbbageer9
other party had several pieces of goods of that Phaesel
in his warehouse. Now, according to this %PSI Ølgt
party would have a copyright in this pattern, nn"
prevent his neighbour from selling his goods lerepse/
months. Now he thought they ought to pause befOratit44
ine• il° a law which would give the wealthy such an a toe
There could not, he thought, be much progresS:ll-ese;
any measure of this nature, until an internationt".44
right should be established.—(Hear,glear.) Thesced
Bill would lead only to useless litigation, and :P•gtl
urged upon the Right lion. Gentleman the prild
withdrawing it for the present session. He
_0,4010
House to consider the progress which had been IA 100
manufactures by foreign countries during the '7lO
years, and not to pass a measure which would.; g'
them increased advantages in competition. . tootetei
Mr. GLADSTONE said he wished the HoOe %,,a 4
sider whether the objection to the Bill, on the " f(lo,'
time, was, upon the whole, a fair one. The Bi "."11°,0
been introduced by the Government, but by °ape:,
Member for Belfast, on his own responsibility se";
his losing his seat, the Bill was taken up by the ti
the
meat. The Hon. Member for Coventry entreatfo Ole
house not to pass a Bill of that description, I.l<aos
representations of the trade had been heard.
believed there never was any measure before fro as
ment with respect to which such an objection 1020
appropriate. He could state with confidence „la PIN
was only a minority of the trade who objectee,sets
Bill, and he believed the great majority would be Vi
disappointed if it did not pass during the preseptlii be
Let the House consider by what authorities them.4" 6, re,
been suppoeosrfrateenacdcor.titmosnlnoftthhee firstcom mpli,,tteeee
li‘thhoasdastitcts:,l;osoioeit
maennddeddethsigne
mains in
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In the year 1840 a Bill was introduced_ on "410 ss-ji;
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corresponded
o • e
Bill be fore the House. Thatmreins pßiotitnleldeepdua sjle:iestdtliElittbrte;sll;e°ble.;,ll°of
Committee up-stairs. With respect to the ms_t_cuTsehtero
the Bill, he admitted that it was inferior' to .11311';'ed sco
existed in France, but he believed it was gratiLsted:d
concession to the opponents of the Bill, who "fey
the expense of proving the patent. The Bill,walpite
introduced in 1841, and referred to a Select id°ll34, no
te;
of which the Hon. Member for Manchester was
jet% 00
ben. The Bill would probably, have passed
during the last session if its progress ha ette.(l'
been cut short by the political crisis which interugo
Why were not the objections to the details 0411!
Committee ? The Hon. Member for Coventry,,u.4 tb
not attend on Saturday and propose alterations, D'"ofe
Hon. Member for Tiverton did not attend 'and ese°
d
word about the lace trade ; though this Bill ha t
y
before the House six weeks, not one word had Yee reds
heard of a protest; the Bill had been allowed to
a first and second time, it had passed througberet elf
mittee, and now when the time came for the redo
the Report, they heard for the first time of any P' elite
relative to the lace trade. He did not intend
effect °:
into the broad question of what would be the poi
this Bill upon the trade and commerce of this con
sop'
but he would say that it was the opinion of thec,. the
porters or this Bill, that it would tend to ineree-;ergj
wealth of this country, and give prosperity and setio,e
to its manufactures. This Bill had the s"ts iof
of repeated Committees, of repeated Governin,eaot
had the sanction of the majority of the peel .n spite
doors and of Hon. Members in that House; exa this
of all these sanctions they were asked to postporr in'
Bill for another session, for the purpose of an°
quiry, for the purpose, of re-eliciting
ns too,
. Gla
had already been ascertained. He ("sl• tours
thought it would be a cruel and unjus!_sd beet
to pursue towards those whose expectations ea,
,to ts
withdra„.%
raised on this subject, to. consents o the
this Bill. He should therefore'oppe motion
Oil
postponement.
Mr. WILLIAMS -aid it witg-