The Sun.
London, England, 1820-06-17 00:00:00

PENITENTIARY AT NIILLBANK.

111 r. ARBUT,IINOT then moved, that a sum not
exceeding sixty thousand pounds should be grant-
ed to his Majesty towards defraying the expences
at the building at a penitentiary-house at Mill-
bank, tar the year 1820.
Sir Josakt YORKE said, that lie doubted he-
(her it was consistent %shit sound policy to keep
iipa Venlig')linty which had already cost 'the na-
tion wure than 600,0001. Besides the expellee %lilt
Which it WeS iittelvird, it kept in the, ct.tulttly

get of person., wl,o otialit, on arcottnt of their cht•
merits, to be sent out of it. The syvem of t. in!dov-
ing tonviets in ditfereut ,;,iew fetal. y
inditsto ions artisans out ut. emPloytnel,t, duff 'hug
increased all evils under whi.h lire I.wer
were at luestrit labo.oiug. Indeed it Nippeired us
him that the Penitentiary filled the Poot • ILmie
wish inmates it* the first itivauce, and the

House the Penitentiary in the second, Ile was
for sending every man convicted of. clime out of
the country, as he thought that the'advatudge
gained by confining them in the Penitentiary was
not-snfficient lo counterbalance the expeuce of
600,0001., which such confinement had already
impnsrdupon the nation.

Mr. HoLrottn, in reply to the lion. Baronet.
had ,o state, that the Penitentiary bad not co .A
the country-600.0001. The expeuge that it had
S yet occasioned did not exceed MOAK, and it
w,is expected that 100,000!. more
evon.l t. complete
the building. He agreed .pith the Hon Baronet
that hatderied felons ought to be transporivd, and
never suffered to return ; but he tiumght onld
be extremely cruel to act :bus by all nho had com-
mitted a trifling offence, and trho might yet be
restored to society.
Mr. HUMFI had understood that it was in con•
tempiation' to have a steam engine to furnish %vs-

ter for the Prison. He had objected to this, and
thought it would he better that the convicrs
tilionla be employed In draw log up wales and
grinding flour for the Penitentiary, than that
these ahnithi br prdi•orrit by means would
F•ptre their labour. fie wiF,heti to k:,ow what had
been done in this respect •
Mr. HOLFaRD sta.ed the steam engine to have
been abandoned. Four niacl;iocs-had been 'in.
iroductd for grinding. and two 1.04 drawing
te'e, and these had [tern found very t)e't,ll, tan,) bad
tended much to improve ale discipline of the
Prison.

Mr.. LOCKHART wished to know how many pe.
nitents there were .at present.
Mr. Hot.Fouri replied, the number now in the
Penitentiary was 403. He could it:tt say how
many it might hereafter receive, but by this time
twelvemonths he hoped there would be 700 —(A
laugh )---The number of convicts was known
greatly to exceed :he number-he had mentioned,
and of them he had hoped that NO would he
placed in the Penitentiary.
.Ir, the last year 30
persons bad been sent out, the greater pat' of
whom, he had reason to believe, would never he
seen in a similar sitnittion again.
Air. LOCK H A tiT objected to keeping up a stand-
int.• army of Penitents. 1-le ha.l tin doubt that if
tie bill of fare at Wilmot; were compared with
that at Lambeth Workhouse, it would be found
that those who were reduced to a state pit pau-
perism by uw...voidable inkforune kind by the
pressure of taxation, were infinitely worse off
than those who were confined' in the Penitentiary
for the crimes they had comMit red against society,
_The latter bad a warm retreat, had a room tot bsm-
selves, had physicians for their bodies and priest:
for their souls pt ovoled for them, stort, every
kind of c,,mfort that could in r ason be desired ;
while the others of whom he had spoken were ex-
posed to all the ing•onveniences of a Work;iotibe.

Mr. Br NNE? could ill biietiCe to the
sort of ,corn whiclf bid been heaped upqn those
who ri.islied to rui;igiste the sutr rings of persons
in confinement. wished to kcow it it Were
thought that it wohld be r roper to s( ve m
If persons in the wookhonse were exposed to gledt
privations, it ought to he remembircd that their
case ryas differeot from "hat of those who were
confined in a prison. The latter were nut volun-
tarily shut up, but %vete confined by the lair
against their will. On the authority of the ceie.
brated Howard, he might state that persons in
prison, from the peculiar situation in which thtT
were placed, required more nourishment theta
others who were not so restrained. He then put
it to the House, whe•her it was not in every re•
spect proper that medical attenthoce and relictous
assistance should be afforded, and proceeded to
protest against the contumely thrown oh tLooe
who wished a system to be' acted upon, which
would produce refonn while inflicting punish-
ment.

Nit-. LOCKHART said, he had been misunder.
stood. He meant to express tto sewn for thuse
who differed front him, but he considered the
present system to be delusive, Hod wished for the
establishment of a preventive Police, to coireet
the evils vihielt the idolise now sought to ;etuctiy.

Alter a few wouh front Nir. Ricardo and the
Lord -Mayor, the Pesolntion was atoreed to.
To defray the expo:cc% of the Penitent;aryttablishmefit at

fron, June 24, 1820, to June 24, 1821.. L.:li ,000

Mr ARGUTIIN.,T how to propose a grant
on ac,f,tint of the Caledonian Canal. As more
than 300,0001 had been laid out on this under.
taking, and as it was calculated that 60,0001.
more wsitild complete the work, la hatever ditre•
ren,:e of opinion might formerly have existed, he
apprehended there would be no objection to the.
grant which he should `riow move—a grant of
25,0001.
After a convetsation, in which Lord ALTUIOiIP,,
Sir H. PAR TELL, Lord BINNING, Mr.. 11“.
and Mr. Hulls part', ;pared, the ...g,solloion was
withdrawn for the present to be brought forward
iu ano'her shape on a future day.
he following grants, vvere' hen votes!
To dvfrny the expeoce of maintaining 'Convicts at
home 1.83,67.5
_ _

I'o defray the expenCes of confining Criminal

natics
defeoy the • expences of prosecuting Forgeries of
t Colo of the Reaini •• • . 50,090
To meet the expellees of Law Charges iu 13=20
Alr:: D. IV. lIARVEY %%idled to "know the cause
'of the- increase which appeared tisit!er this bead,
the char:!eli'aving beets augmented from 20,000:.
to 40 0001.

3,204

11r, AaswinsaoT !aid, the increase was.caoscd
by the until .ally large number of S,ate prosecu-
tions institutO in the lust and resent year.
Mr. Hothouse obje, ts-d .to g,viog the Crown
additional motley to prosecute t, c people-Or this
country.' It WAS known that the Government
feed tip all the Counsel of talent on the ClFouits,
so that a defendant tre.cinently found it exceed-
ingly difficult to gain the ,assistance. of anyanvo,
car, or en:the:ice,

Mr. flusicissoN could understand the ohjrCkiii
of the !L)). h ut. it tte th.,(o)t the pr•)seitlitila•
o last year-41)04r at I i,t• ()la Bailey for High '1
tou, at -York, Lancaiter, Leicester, and MI; wi.k,

Trete .cvnliecessary. If, however, tirts-e, wbich
.the I.IIIV Officers of the trown bad thought i:
}heir Bury to recommend to pre verve tire public
peace. «ere necessary, the Government ought to
be enabled to carry them on. The prosecutions
bad in almost eve: v instance, from the strength of
.the (16E5, WWI the sense of dirty telt on the part of
the Juries, produced convictions. The Lipn.

Member was n, it he thought the sum 110,W
-called for 'would be wholly applied in teeing Conii-
'sel. He defended the cows': put sued with resprcr
to etigaoog Gentlemen at the lGr %viten State
Trials were pending ; and for the King's Courl-
-lel, as was their dory on such occasions, to de-
'fetid the Crown. The 40,0001. now called for
was partly to cover the deficiency of the grant for
'the last year, and to meet the extraordinary ex•
pences of the present year. He might remind the
Hon. Ceutleman that the Government had fre-
quently been blamed for not instituting 'note plo-
stentions. . When they called for new laws, they
had heel; told that they might to have set on foot
more prosecntion,; under the old roles.

Mr. [loft HOUSE admitted the question cattle to
this,- %vete the plosectliinits instituted necessary or
linneeessary Ile ol►posed the grant, because he
difitred front Mit,isters in toto, as to the policy of
their state prosecutions. [le ►hought the !Titre-

seutdtives of the people (if they were such) ought

- .
-not to vote additional hinds to the Crown with a
view to its instituting new ptosecutions against
the people. He did not feel himself bound by
that the Gentlemen opposed to the Government
had dime it, former Parliaments. He did not wish
to divide the House, if nobody would go out With
tiut, but be was anxious to make known his sen-
timents on this subject to his constituents.
Atter a few words from Mr. D, Brown, Mr.

Lockhart, Mr. Hobhouse, ana Mr. 11. Hervey.

.and a speech trnur Mr. Huskisson, wl►o refuted
several -statements m►►de by Mr. llobh►buse, re-
specting the course pursued in the conducting of
State Ttials on the Circuits, and after softie re-
marks front Mr. D. Ltishington, the itesolation

was carried.
The Committee then voted—
To defr,y expenses of tire National Vaccine Esta-
blishment £3,000
To detray the expellee of },rioting Acts of Parliament,
Reports, &c £19,724 17 0
For ',tinting Acts of Parliament to he furniAle- to the
Sheriffs, Clerks, and Magistrates throughout the
Count ry ,C21,000
o suety the deficiency or a grant to defray the ex-
pellee: of printing the Votes of the House in tsl9 1,425
To defray the cspenee of printing the Votes of the
House iu the present. hear 3,500
To cover the deficiency of a erant made to tit fray the
expense of printing 1750 copies of the 74th Volume
of the Journals of t lie Nouse
To defray the experiee of printing 1750 copieS of the
75th Volume of the Journals of the House 3,500
Ti' cover the deficiency of a grant to defray the ex-
pences of printing Bilk,' Reports, and other Papers,
be order of the House in ISI9 .
To defray the expense of priming Bills, Reports, and :
other Pavers, by order of:the House, in the last and
present Session .....
Tu defray the expence- of printing Journals of the •
House in 11,-:0 • 3,1(10
To.cover the expellee of relict-jug the Amelican Loyalists 9,000
To cur, r the charge far retired allowances to perstins
formerly employed -iii the public °dices for 1820 4;158
To cover the deficiency of a former grant to the Fee
Fund, &c.
To defray contingent expenses of the Delia! twents of
• the' hrectiecretaries of State, the Lords of theTrea- •
sury, and the Lord Chamberlain
To cover the amount of Bills drawn, or to be drawn
on aconite of New South Wales, for the service 'of
the year d 13,20
The House then resumed, aitd the Raport of the Committee
14-as urdered'to be received on Monday.
The Quarter Sessions Bill, and the Demise of Property Bill,
were read a second time, and committed for Monday.
The Landlords and Tenants Bill vas read a second time,
and committed for Wednesday. _ .

The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought up
anti agreed ta.
The Report of the Committee on the New South Wales
Acts was hronght up and agreed to, and a Bill ordered.
The Loan Bill went through a Committee, the Report, of
which ,wac ordered to he received to-morrow.

Mr. BROGOEN brought up the Report of the Watch and
Ward 1141, ,whiei► was recommitted, .with an instruction,
.giving the Committee power to amend tt►e Bill. A clause was
.►doled to exempt Quakers from serving in person. The Report
of the'Con►n►ittee was then received, and the Bill ordered to
lie read a -third time on Monday. •
The Unien Duties -Sill went through a Committee, the Re-
port of which w:s received, and ordered to be taken into
further consideration on Wednesday.
The Report of the Committee on- the Excise Duties was
brought up and agreed to, and a Bill ordered.
The House went into a Committee on the Sugar Bonn-
ties' Acts, the .Report of which was ordered to be received to-
worrow. ,