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necessary ; and if any party objected to the constitution of
Committee. he should take that objection when the Corrunitte,
was being formed, and not after it had been constituted.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said that his Noble Friend appeared
misapprehend the object-for which the Committee had bee'
instituted. The object of the Committee was to inquire int
ecitain alleged corrupt transactions to which Mr. Walter INL;O4
said to be a party. Mr. Walter was, therefore, a party
na
only interested but accused. It was stated that that Was nt •
the proper occasion for objecting to the manner in which
tlt
Committee had been constituted ; but Mr. Walter bad not ha .itt
an opportunity of objecting when it had been originally forme
The SPEAKER was about to put the question, when -3.0
Captain POLHILL rose, and said he was much obligedl,
the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath for the suggestintv,
which he had thrown out, but it was in the power of Mr
Walter, if he chose, to petition the House for the removal
the Chairman. In order to enable him to do so, he begited t
move, that, iristead of to-morrow, the neat day should be ap
pointed for his attendance, in order to give him time to pet,
tion the House.
The SPEAKER was again about to put the question, who
Captain POLHILL again rose, and submitted that he ha
power to move an amendment.—( Cries of ‘• Chair, chair.")
The SPEAKER said it had already been decided that
Dli
Walter should attend at eleven o'clock to-morrow.—( Hear.)
The original question was then put, and carried without •
division.

Mr. Walter having been called to the bar,
The SPEAKER (addressing him) said Mr. Walter,
have to inform you that the House has come to the followin:
resolution :—That. Mr. Walter do attend and give evident
before the Election Proceedings Committee to-morrow,
•
eleven o'clock. You may withdraw.

Mr. Walter then withdrew from the bar.
Mr. ROEBUCK then brought up a Report from the Select
Committee on Election Proceedings. stating that the Geri"
' mittee haviest proceeded to the consideration of themaattef:
referred to them, had thought it necessary to address a letter '-
Mr. Alexander Cochrane, Member for Biidport, requestel
him to attend the Committee on Wednesday next, the e
instant, at eleven o'clock, and to bring with him all pert
and documents relating to the last election for the bornAP
Bridport. To that letter the following answer had been
ceived by the Chairman :—" Sir,—l beg to acknowledge the
receipt of the letter which you have communicated to me fror
the Select Committee on Election Proceedings, requeetineilate3
to appear before them on Wednesday. the 29th instant, aa".,o
bring with me all the papers and documents in my poesestn
relative to the last election for the borough of Bruirri
Having bestowed the fullest consideration on the matter.
beg most respectfully to decline to comply with the repo'
s;
The letter was signed Alexander Cochrane. The Girtonid
had thought it necessary to refer the motion to the Howe' •
order that they might take such steps as they thought 6t'
(Laughter.)
Mr, ROEBUCK then gave notice, that in obedience yetihe
r•
request of the Committee, he would move to-morrow, that
Cochrane do atend,the Comittee the nex mornin.
Mr. G. W. t
WOOD suggemstee that het motion should should be
that the Hon. Member do appear in his place. ate
Col. SI eITHORP gave notice that when the question et—et
on for discussion, he should take the sense of the Houseset"
the said Committee be discharged.—( Hear, and laughter./ e,
Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice that to-morrow he wouldlo°,%t
as an instruction to the Committee, that has no Member of chid
House, except such as were Members of the Committee, shotl
be allowed to be present.
CUSTOMS BILL. for
On the motion of Sir R. PEEL the Order of the I)3Y
the third reading of the Customs Bill was read. - „to
Mr. T. DUNCOMBP presented a petition from thirtiejo
market gardeners, praying (as we understood) for a redtta'
of duty on foreign onion seeds.
COALS.
Mr. J. JERVIS said that he believed now was the Pr es
time for moving the insertion of a clause in the BBL !e:
clause was the same in substance as that of which he had 11 tbe
notice as a resolution to be adopted on the bringing tap ° see
Report. He trusted the House would bear with a few ebiee
vations from him upon the matter. The object of his *PP ;0,
tion was to prevent an additional tax being placed on °rot
shipping, which would go to paralyse the rapid spread ofsnia
interest, and he proposed to do that by engrafting a prep all
the Bill to authorise her Majesty's Treasury to allow locs
coal bona fide consumed in steal* vessels a doff the
commensurate with the duty paid. it would be unjust tell!!
country were to derive an advantage from contracts which e'cuee,
never have been made if such a duty was imposed ettessee
The effect of imposing a duty on coals used in steata-le'ee
would be to prevent long-voyage steam-vessels from earsili' es
out a sufficient supply, and the result of that would be tbseeeee
would ship their coals at foreign stations. Many of therene,
voyage steam-packats were at present in almost a stale of u'o,3i
ruptey. and their difficulties would be increased by the acid'. ), to
duty on coals. The Government ought to afford faeilit'ee to
such steam-vessels, or he was afraid they would put an .e,nitiou
long steam navigation altogether. The Steam Naeieeed
Company presented a memorial to the Governmert, Prsitbs
'
for a reduction of the duty on coal, but the reply was t eat b,t .
Government could not consent to it. He considered eof
was highly impolitic to fetter the steam-shipping, intereese
the country, when it was possible to relax it. His claw` tot
that it was expedient that a drawback should be allow e co(
coals exported, on proof that they a ere intended for the
vireo
steam-vessels on their homeward voyage, such proof beg the
to the satisfaction of the Lords of the Treasury, and tha'reof
Lords of the Treasury themselves should decide what that,le eo
should be. He apprehended, therefore, that there could coed
objection to the machinery of his clause. It v 414,4001
that steam-vessels would receive additional ewe' 000
through the operation of the tariff ; but that PI tbS
would not be realised, because sailing-vessels would h'/esel3.`
benefit of the increased importation, while steam-vises
be subject to the additional duty upon coals. and
Mr. WALLACE supported the proposal of the elee'esbig
Learned Gentleman. He thought it was a perfectly rweee ip
one, and that the Government should have no hesitan '
adopting it. Ile
{hav
'tpthe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sate '9,teee
had consulted the officers of the Custom-house or
of the proposal made by the Hon. and Learned
but they had shown him that, it it were adopted, it
the way to frauds against which it would be it
guard. That was one of the circumstances which
Government to reduce the duty. He trusted tie
smile concur in this opinion, that it was inexpedit
the resolution of the Hon. Member.
Mr. HUME said that steam navigation was an
greetest importance to the country. It had dt
the country ; the country had done nothing for it,
and Belgium they voted money ter steam nasegatio
did not receive any encouragement. He thougl
allowance ought to be made, because it could be
with almost perfect accuracy what amount of cog
--(Hear, hear.) He hoped the Right Hon. Ba
not tie their bands for the sake sf such a trifle as fi";
pounds; but that he wouel trust to the certificates
the owners.
Sir C. NAPIER perfectly agreed with the 11'
for Montrose, who had used all the arguments"he hail ant`
to ad ,pt. He knew how difficult it was for steam pro Iro Of,
to get their money. The only company thrivieg Score
Gener.tl Steam Navigation ; they were paying good ,':001
for their money, but lie doubted, if they calculated t''' dot:
. value of their vessels, they would deem it prudent to
ever
They had seen most laudable exertions on the part of Is At'
steam companies to extend steam navigation across eee Es
• lantic, and to distant shores, and the Chancellor of tb
oos.
chequer was doing all he could to put a stop to such J • ih
worthy exertions by placing an additional duty ee covith tbi
objected to the duty, and trusted it would not meet w ,
sanction of the House. optiol
Mr. M. ATTWOOD supported the proposal for tee
coals used in steam-vessels from the duty. D'e
i Mr. GLADSTONE' stated the main grounds eP ee tier'
the Government refused to accede to the proposal of co 11;
and Learned Gentleman. The Government had mature {we
sidered the subject, and had come to the conciusion thstileeed
could not be guarded against if the drawback were a erile
With respect to a drawback—in what way could the P coo
tors of steam-beats he prevented from purchasiokebeseros,
abroad, and obtaining the drawback upon it on their Filo tbd
on British coal which had pale the duty? The loss ,w 00:
Government would incur by this and other fralegatw
greatly ceunterbalauce any advantage to the public
small difference in the expense of steam navigation. of !.,
Mr. P. M. STUART supported the propesitioll tobe
Hon. Member for Chester. It would confer a greet ,
the struggling steam-navigation of the country.
Sir R. PEEL said, the Hon. Gentleman bad stalesteci sti°ll;
belief that the Government was disposed to grant a re
reit
If, then, they came to a decision unfavourable to the !ord.,
tion, it was the decision of a Government disposed totrb:e
favourably ; and, therefore, the presumption would be _non
were convinced of the great danger of fraud. of pet
the payment of draw backs one of the worst uses otesterei,
money. The Right Hon. Baronet here read a ‘eretrefe'e
cation from the Shipowners' Society, signed by 311.' the
re
Attwood, showing that the amount of the drawback
hen, 0,00
would be but 5,0001., even at the es. duty. What, t"ropositii?
they to think of the great losses which, it was said, the sseoeie
of this duty would inflict on the owners of steal' be"
One Hon. Genlleman had said that he could not see t
through these drawbacks— r. are
Mr. P. M. STEWART—No; I said the ucl"
could not see i:s way.—( Laughter.) bed ' vrir,
Sir R. PEEL—The Hon. Member for Montrose ,00141
posed that there should he an estimate taken of the 'lodi Pour
every vessel, and that every vessel consuming one !oilseed boar
of coals per hour should have a tight to claim as- ter re .he
she was on her passage, which would amount to 1•0;1,
day. Now, if a vessel were on her passage for Irfrore
0' would have a right to claim upwards of 3
Government.
Mr. HUME—Suppose she was to go to the mop' ibe 4:100
Sir 11. PEEL—The Hon. Gentleman's
answer toeooo
04.
he put, of a passage of 100 days, was—suppose she 11., had
moon. This was the first time the Hon. Gentlemse
reit
n
indulged in poetic fancies. se
An HON. MEMBER—it takes but fifteen days to stee
de_
the Atlantic. ertreinosee
Sir R. PEEL would take the medium between area eel°,
and the voyage to the moon, and make it one ion tbate'besis
(Laughter )—and let them look at what an e%Pen4e,0013,40
entail on the Government. He hoped the house at a I:erot
tate before it granted a drawback on coal coro•urne(
of
ch •
distance from home. The most experienced odic Cant
venue were of op:nion it would not be safe to g io
drawback.
Lord SANDON thought the Government were
....elle ese
this instance, with the nicety of the Custom-bonseeeesh.,:elii
It was not likely that the two great company`';, it
interested in this matter, would commit any frail" citotitos, et
not be worth their while.—( Hear, hear.) The
Melte of
coal the ship consumed might be easily calculateed be gtl,
the logs, and the parties who it were supposed seen' that
fraud ought to be above suspicion. o oVerf- t
Mr. JERVIe replied. He would only bee t e sees th!
the proposition of the Hon. Member for Montrotisande of
He would leave the matter entirely in the eel
Treasury. .eree4
The House then divided, when there appeared-- 42 IP'sd
Fur the clause • .................. s 4
................. 38
Against it
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On our r eA-laadj
Mr. GLADSTONE on his legs, pi opting, V,, a 9 far.eoeadje
tending the provisions of the Act of George 100';,, th
lated to making returns of the aye!
sugar the prottuce of the British West 00-,
produce of the East Indies and the elauritius..on
ef the.. out
Mr. LABOUCHERE thought the operati
toe ~,,sgbot
would interfere materially with the averafSeeeons theteseesse
produce confusion and error in any compar!,_o of fort'
hereafter be instituted between the average that
the
o: future years. tiefleturY
Mr. GLADSTONE thought it would be sa lee or
clause should be read again. b
could be
Mr. BARING was of opinion that there ntl
jectinn to the general average which the non' f
o
posed. eson toe
the re— 010 tbe
age prices
to
bags
Mr. P. M. STEWART presumed that uty fit
the average was, that they might know the eepaeose tosPto !Its!
He thought it would be better for that 11:tr A thao
_cg,
averages,
u
as
iprtticle osedbyhr
his iv
the average aggregate. Right Hon. Friona,
t Tire House
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treads:lf at
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