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Were compensation given to every man that might be inter-
fered with by the making of a railway, there would be no end
to the claims of this kind that would be preferred.
The clause was then put and agreed to without a division.
Several Bills were then advanced a stage, and their Lord-
ships immediately afternards adjourned till Thursday next.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 21

The House met st Twelve.

The reports on the Darby Court (Westminster) Bill, Mi-
litia Pay Bill, and the Stamp Duties EN were brought up, and
ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
THIRD READINGS.

The Highways Bill and the Railway Leasing Bill were read a
third time, and passed.
The Municipal Districts Bill passed through Committee, and
The Hvuie went into Committee en the
SMALL DEBTS BILL.

Mr. WA KLEY complained that there were several new
clauses, and there were several new schedules which had not
been submitted to the House, and more time was therefore
requisite before the Bill should be passed.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that there had been abundance of
time for the consideration of the Bill.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that this Bill would, in the end,
deprive the workmen of every inducement to exertion.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that the Hon. Mem-
ber for Finsbury was mistaken in supposing that there was any
power in this Bill to attach wages or salary in the hands of the
master. There was no such power; but in the event of a debtor
who received more than was necessary for his support, refusing
to apply part of his wages to the payment of his debts, he was
liable to 40 days' imprisonment. He had communicated both
with creditors and debtors, and had accepted no suggestion
which, in his conscience, was not for the benefit of both parties.
In reply to a question, the SOLICITOR-GENERAL
stated that a debtor could be imprisoned twice for the same
zl7l t; if there were a double fraud.
After a converga!ion, in which Mr. Hume, Wakley, and
Mr. Escott took part, the object of which was that ri.:lre time
should be given to the consideration of the Bill,

Sir JAMES GRAHAM stated that as the Government only
desired to serve the public, he would suggest that the Chairman
should report progress and ask leave to sit again to-morrow.
In reply to a question from Lord J. RUSSELL,
The SOLICITOR- GENERAL said that it was intended
only to apply the superfluous wages or salary to the payment
of the debtors' liabilities. Ile was in the first instance to take
sufficient for his stipport. It was only after disobedience of
the order of the judge that imprisonment was to be inflicted,
and in the event of a man being out of work and unable to
comply wi h the order he had only to apply to the judge, and
the order would be set aside.
After a long conversation as to the effect of the 2d clause,
interfering between master and man, the Committee was ad-
journed till to.morrow.

LUNATIC ASYLUMS BILL.
On the motion hr the third reading of this Bill,
Mr. T. DIMCOMBE said that he hoped a provision
would be introduced for securing the daily and
constant attendance of the Commissioners. The Honour-
able Member concluded by moving the following clause,
of which he had previcu4y given notice :—And be it enacted,
that this Act and the several matters and thiegs therein con-
tained shall commence and take effect from and after the pass-
ing of this Act, and shall continue in force tor the term of
three years, and from thence to the end of the then next ses-
sion of Parliament.

Mr. HUME and Mr. WILLIAMS supported the clause.
Lord ASHLEY opposed the clause, and put it to the House
to consider in what a position the legal and medical men would
be placed, if, having given up all their previonq professional en-
gagements, they were at the expiration of three years to be ren-
dered liable to lose their appointments by the discontinuance of
the Commission.
After some observations from:Mr. Sergeant MURPHY, the
House divided, when there appeared—
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F the obtuse
Against it
Majority against the clause
The clause was consequently lost.
Sir CHARLES NAPIER then moved that the following
clause should he added to the Bill :—" And be it enacted,
that in any parish in which the population shall exceed one
hundred thousand persons, and which shall be assessed to the
poor-rate on a rental exceeding five hundred thousand pounds,
it shall be lawful for the members of the vestry of such
parish to erect or provide an asylum for the sole use of the pauper
lunatics of such parish, and for such purpose to borrow any sum of
money, not exceeding the sum of twenty-five thousand pounds,
to be secured by transferable bonds under the hands and seals of
not less than five of the members of the vestry of such parish
for any sum not less than one hundred pounds each, to be
respectively paid in the order and subject to the priority
which shall be agreed upon between the said vestry and the
persons so lending such money, and which moneys shall be
secured upon and re paid out of the rates of such parish in
the same manner and within the same time as is by this Act
provided for the repayment of any moneys to be borrowed
for the erecting or providing of an asylum for any county
or borough ; and in any case in which the, members of
the vestry of any such parish shall agree to erect an asylum
for such parish, the clerk of the vestry of such parish shall
give notice in some newspaper commonly circulated within such
parish of the intention of such vestry to elect a committee
of justices, being members of such vestry, to superintend the
erecting and providing an asylum for such parish, and the mem-
bers of the vestry of such parish shall, within one month of
such notice, elect not less than seven justices members of the
vestry of such parish who are justices of the county in which
such parish is situate to be the committee of visiting
justices to superinted the erecting, providing, and
managing of the asylum to be erected and pro-
vided for such parish, who shall continue such. visiting
justices until the next election of visiting justices of such
asylum shall take place, and the members of the vostry of such
parish shall thereafter, within twenty days after the twentieth
day of December in every year, elect seven justices, members
of the vestry of such parish, to be a committee of visiting
justices of the asylum for the year ensuing such election
on behalf of such parish ; and the committee of visiting
justices'which shall be elected for every such parish shall have
like powers, as near as the difference of circumstances will ad-
mit, of purchasing lands and buildings, and of building, erect-
ing, altering, improving, restoring, furnishing, completing, and
repairing an asylum or asylums for the pauper
lunatics of such parish as are by this Act vested
in the committs e of visitors of any county or borough,
except thet the estimate for the same shall be sub-
ject to the arprobe, ion of the vestry and of her Majesty's Se-
cretary of State for the Home Department, and all contracts,
sites, and plans fur the same, shall be subject only to the
approbation of the Commissioners in Lunacy; and the com-
mittee of visitors of such asylum, and the members
therof, shall have the like powers, as near as the dif-
ference of circumstances will admit, for the regulation,
management, sod government of such asylum, and the
appointment, removal, and payment of officers and servants, and
the superintendence and care of lunatics to be confined in such
asylum, as are by this Act conferred on a committee of visitors
of any asylum ter any county or borough, or the members
thereof, and any two of the members of the committe of visitors
of such asylum shall have power, by an order under their hands
and seals, to direct any lunatic who is chargeable to such parish
wherever such lunatic may be, to be removed to such asylum,
and such lunatic shall be removed accordingly, and all the
justices of the county in which such parish is situate, who
shall be members of the vestry of such parish, shall
have and exercise all the powers and authorities in refe-
rence to the asylum for such parish, and the lunatics to
be confined therein, as are by this Act conferred upon
the justices of any county or borough in reference to the asylum
for such county or borough, and the lunatics to be confined
therein ; and every such asylum to be erected for any such
parish shall be deemed to be an asylum within the pro-
visions of this Act; and every such parish, and the asylum
for the same, shall be subject to the regulations and pro-
visions herein contained, as if the same were a borough
in the meaning of this Act within any county,
and an asylum for such borough so far as the same can be
applicable thereto ; and all moneys which shall be neces-
sary for the purposes of erecting, providing, and maintain-
ing any asylum to be erected for any such parish shall
be raised by the vestry of such parish, in the same manner
as the rates for the support of the poor of such parish are
raised by the vestry of such parish ; and the several lunatics
chargeable to such parish shall b 3 confined and maintained in
such asylum at the cost and charges of such parish; and every
parish which shall so erect an asylum and shall be situate in
any county in which a county lunatic asylum shall have been
already established shall, so soon as such parish shall have
agreed to erect an asylum for its own use, be and become
exempt from contributing to any rates which shall become
payable in such county for any additional asylum
or buildings, to be thereafter erected for the pauper
lunatics of such country ; and also all rates in re-
spect of aay asylum already erected, except any rates
for the ordinary repairs thereof, and except any rates for
the repayment of any sums which may have been already
borrowed or expended for or on account of such asylum; but
every such pat ish shall be entitled to send its proportions of
pauper lunatics to such county asylum already erected in
like manner as the other parishes of the county ; and
so long as any of the pauper lunatics of such parish shall be
placed in such county asylum, every such parish shall pay for
such paupers the same weekly rate of payment which is charged
to the other parishes of the county for the pauper lunatics
thereof : provided always, and be it enacted, that it shall be
lawful for the visiting justices of the asylum for the county in
which such parish is situate to agree with the visiting
justices of such parish for the withdrawal by such parish of
the whole of the pauper lunatics of such parish from the
lunatic asylum of the county, and for the surrender of all
future right to send any lunatics thereto, and the visiting jus-
tice of such county asylums shall have power to raise and pay
to the visiting justices of such parish out of the rates of the
county other than the rates of such parish such a
sum by way of compensation for the right of such
parish to send lunatics to such asylum, and the visit-
ing justices of such parish may accept such compensa-
tion to surrender such right accordingly, and any such com-
pensation may be made by the release of such parish from its
proportion of the rates which such parish may be liable
to contribute towards any sums which have been already
borrowed or expended for such county asylum : provided
also, that it shall be lawful for the visiting jus-
tices of such parish at any time to give notice to the
visiting justices of the county asylum of the intention of the
justices of such parish, that such parish shall no longer contri-
bute to the ordinary repairs of the county asylum, and there-
upon such parish shall cease to be liable to any rates to be
raised for such asylum, and to be entitled to send any pauper
lunatics thereto."

Sir J. GRAHAM said the clause was so long that it was
almost a new Bill. He must therefore oppose it. He was of
opinion that it was not desirable to increase Hanwell, so as
to make it capable of holding 2,000 patients, instead
of 1,000. He was of opinion that, instead of enlarging Hanwell,
it would be much more expedient in a county so populous as
Middlesex to increase the number of asylums. He should take
the sense of the House upon the question that the clause should
be added to the Bill.
Mr. HUME was not prepared to press the clause, but thought
it would be well if the four large metropolitan parishes were
t.,.." meet together, in order to consider whether they should
not pi,,ceed by private Bill, in order to obtain an asylum for
themselves.
Mr. WILLIAZ
would save the parish us. ,
' Nlarylebone 2,0001. a year.
S supported the clause, which, if carried,
Colonel Thomas WOOD or. •., that there was an indispo-
M was sorry
r, WAKLEYnosed the clause.
to as.,, •-, do justice to Han-
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Sir J. GRAHAM said the question was a parish one, and
he could not interfere.
Lord ASHLEY talil a few words in explanation.
Mr. T. DUN COM BE supported the clause. He thought
it might be inserted without clashing with any tS the
provi-
sions of the Bill, He could not see any objection to enlarging
Hanwell; it was a credit to the county, and to Dr. Conoliy,
who had the manarrement of it.

After some ob.ervations from Sir C. NA PIER,
Stranger= v,'ere ordered to withdraw, but no division took
place, thee' clause being negatived without one.
The Bill having been read a third time, on the question that
it do paws being i.ut.

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Mr. DUN CO \1 BE protested against the Commission being
permanent, and denounced the whole measure as a job. The
Hon. Memler concluded by moving that the salaris of the
Commissioners should be 1,2001. iastead of 1,5001. a year.