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of thts powerful army were cOmpletAy baffled, and
that, it could not be denied, was productive of con-
siderable advantage. They had preserved the capi-
tal of Portugal and a great part of its territory from
the ravages of the enemy ; and the British -troops
still held that army in a state of disgraceful ivi-
ty this was doing a great deal. With respect to what
was said of the operations in. Sicily, what had taken
place in that quarter was of soch a nature and effect as
to afford general satisfaction, and to operate favour-
ably in a prospective view, either as the naval or mi-
litary operations of the enemy were considered. He
next adverted to the operations against the colonial
possessions of France; • the result of these Was im-
pertaikt, not So much for the intrinsic value of the
acquisitions as for their effed in tending to paralyse
the power of the enemy in those parts. With respe6l
to the pending negociations between this country
and the United States, they must all earnestly con-
cur in the with of their being brought to a success-
ful issue; but as the House was possessed of no in-
formation respecting the state of these negociations,
no opinion could be correetly pronounced upon them,
they had only to express their regret that a state of
difference and dissension should so long prevail he-
tween two nations, who, according to etery prin-
ciple of sound policy, ought to be united in the
bands of harmony and friendship; at the same time
he could not avoid expressing his convidion that
these delays were not fairly attributable to the Mi-
nisters of; his Boyal Highness. Another Considera•
tion which was adverted to, would, when duly -re-
garded, be found of the most consolatory iMportance,
namely, ihe flourishing state of the finances and the
commercial relations of the finanaes of the country !
aod.the great and extensive warfare which had been
supported throughout the recent campaign, with 7
out any additional burdens on the people, skewed
the extent and energy of the national resources—
resources which the crafty and unprincipled machi-
nations tlf the enemy in Stain endeavonied to impair
in any material degree. And they had the consola-
tion to reflea, that-these resources were now beyond
the power of tie enemy. L.Ad% ening to-the
in the Royal Speech to Ireland, his Lordship took
occasion, to glance briefly at the aft irs of t hat country,
the ptowonent consideration of which, though he
entertained similar sentiments on that point with
that immort,d wan to. whom the country owed so •
much. (lke imagine the Notle Earl alluded to' the
Catholic Question,,and the, sentiments of Mr. Pitt),'
yet he must express his opinion that the preient was
not Iho proper eritneniLfiir t agile don' olt bat sub-
jefL H apologisA` for sin long detaining their
tordships,:and softened theil. coocurrence in the
Address to.his L- [loyal Highness the Prince -Re-
gent, which he Olould have the honour fo move.
His Lordship then inoved•:in Addresi to his Royal
Highness on the Occasion of the Speech' delivered by
.the Cinninissioners, and- which, lts'usual, was
an echo of the leading points L in that important do-
cument,.

Lord ELLIOTT, in,a short, but pertinent' speech,
supported the Address moved by the Noble Earl.
It was' unnecessary for him to expriate upon topics,
he observed, which bad -been so ably and eloquently
touched upon by ihe last speaker. . He com-
mented in, terms of eulogium ,on the conduct of
his Royal Highness, on the
.trying and melon.
.choly occasion, which rendered his assumption of
the Government necessary.. He. thought that_ it
was:at :present more than ever necessary tqievioce.
to the world that the. greatest harmony existed
between the Sovereign and his Tarliament, •Othr
t his necessity was increased by the, peculiar circum-
stances of the moment. He treated that the Ides-
triousTersen, to whose condua they had rOgulorry to
advert, would receive that grateful applause from
that House and the country to wilier:he was so
justly entitled, for the great sacritice he. had made of
his own personal . feelings—a sacrifice which could
not aiford greater satisfaction to his Royal-'Parent,
than it would, prove beneficial to the true interests
of ,the country._ Ile thought the Address tuovezi ,
by his Noble Friend of. such a tenor and character
as that no material objection could lie Aainst it.
One consideration with respect to the Address. was -
of essential, importance : it went. to. pledge the
House. to no specific line of condua—to engage
them in no particular system, nor to express any
particular approbation of the conduct of Mieisteis,
but merely went to those points which were called
for by the tenor of his Royal Highness's Speechr
and upon these groonds he truhtted it would have
the general concurienceof their k,ordsh;ps... It Went
not to pledge the House to adopt,any particular sys-
tem of measures, but merely gave an assurance 'of.
continuing our support to our allies, and on . this
principle there was, he trusted, no difference of
sentiment. As to the rest, ,it merely adverted
to ,the points touched upon in the Royal Speech,
aed,upon t hew hole, was of that complexion and cha-
paer, to which he could not anticipate any well.
founded objeaion. The motion of hia Noble
Friend, therefore, had his most hearty concur-
rence.

The Address being read, and the question pm,
Earl Gitosvalsoa could not avoid expressing his
decided disapprobation with respect to certain points
which appeared so him to elicit from the Speeches
of the Noble Lords who moved and seconded the
Address. They seemed to call ter the support of
.the House to the: present Ministets. Ma way as tf
their measures oi charatlers were new-to that House,
or to the country ; as it they had no experience 4)1
their measures, either domestic or belligeeent ; as
if they had forgotten, the .expedition to NiValche
rim, and to other places; as it they were not known
to have endangered the existence of the country;
as if they had not been stied and found wanting.
Pursuing this qrain, the Not)le .Earl censured the
conduti of-Ministers during the absence of a regular
head to the Government, and especially their pm-
posing to transact any .otber business, during there.
cent situation of Parliatilent, than what the naves-

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city of the occasion called-for. This, in a con-
stitutional point of view, was what they had not
a right to do, and against which, he thatiked
God ! fie had entered ~,his solemn protest.—
He disapproved of the frothing and tenor of the
Speech made by Ministers for his Royal Iliehoess.
He Should have hoped, tli t in a time so criti-
cal and momentous as the present, the first tette
his Royal Highness the Regent had to address Par-
liament, they would lipve contrived to Itirree'tice
some consolatory topic; something that Weuld gise
satisfaaion to the country at large; some assurance
that particular *measures would be adopted for the
benefit of the people; soineting of a `popular des
scription ; some hopes held oigeof the reforM of
abuses. Nothing was te be found resording the
sent alarming state of Ireland; sae-1601(1g. resPed4
in the
,commercial relations of the country, e•tkle
• cially with riled to the Nottlien Powersee. Better*
they could deride with respea to some of 11140-Vlod
important topics referred to in the Speech, :1:4„y
should be inform.-d as to the real state of otroits in
Spain and. Portugal, and inure eSpecitilty a,; t,,) else
real state of Afrrs in Ireland. He agree that the
country was bound in honour and in to.-urt
itself in favour of its Allies; but the stela:leo of the-
country itself shpuld be considered, and these exet•
dons should not proceed beyond time diaates of prn.
deuce, or palsy our oseans t,F self- defence. 'ns
probable ultimate success of • these exertions should
ba duly considered. This he spoke With refsre
ence to the critical state, and the yesourcei of Ow
country, and the degree of probability which
cx-
isteal'of the country's being in wale of those resnulos
ter purposes of selfsdefeeee. The se na:ien off relent
Was a 'particular,topic of .his aniteadsersioe, and he
insisted it called fur the me..it serious considerat ioe
it deseteed immediate 41(1114p...it should be keown,
if iewere true, as said, that many of the natives,
alarined.at prospective dangers, were ernigrat leg in-
'to different parts of England, and among the tneuti•
tains of \Valet. The degree of-these dangers, if any
do exist, ought to Ile inveStigattd. Adverting iteaie
to the affairs of the Peninsula, his Lordship itrs4;ied
on the propriety Of thoroughly Worming Parlimneee.
'on that sUbject, as to .fie. real state, and means of
defence possessed by the natives, the character of
the Nobles, and whether thee great Wises of the peo-
ple Were eat riestly inelteecho resist the prol;rt-
the enemy.. These were points ore which, he con.
tended, Parliament 'should. he informed; end the
Conduct Of Ministers, he again wets
site. ii,
especially on
.the recent trying and ardo ins
*Hs shonld divest there of the cenfi.leeee of tl•e (pees
try. The Noble 'gar! -coeclecl d with no seee tic
proposition.
,
cordial Lord GUENVILLE professed s a. cornett-
rence in the greater part of what fell from the No-
ble Earl who moved the Addresi. . Spch
had fallen from that NoiliteLetde as, in his Mind,
were most desirable to be express( d* on the present
occasion. He could not retrain front ::xpres.ing his
opinion, that he had never heard more ability, or
peculiar jodginent in the selection of topics, or more
eloquence displayed, than by that Neble Earl ties
evening. It was highly ;;rat lying foeheri to heir
the iMportant topics of America at el Ireland el,t'eeed
at, on such principles as that No ,h.! Eorl scnicd'lo
consider them; he was riot on:y an ()resilient to 1;;I
countß from his ardent love' and profee•
'edge Pt literature, but he predieted he weel,l in,ove
one of the brightest ornaments of (.111 11
shenld he ever' be called, as his talents :nil ne(iiire.
.meats fitted him, to the highoSt officei of th.. Selie,
he would come with sentiments 'on great poiets of
national policy; liberal and enlightened beyond Most
others he had ever known. Ie the
.greater part of
-what fell from the Noole Ea:l he cordially
,agreed °;
but he could not avoid expressing his astonishment
that on such an occasion as the prs sent, of such pe-
Culiar importance; effOrding such anode seoee, and
calling so .nrieqte vocally for it, that nose ft single,word
was said" in, the Address; personally 'reseect log the
adniirable conduct displayed by his R ,y,ll aightt'e
time Prince Regent on the tecessii.n; resof etitig
whit h, the 'House and the Country weie iMpressed
.-,w;th the same Sentiments. This omission Cono
not avoid' noticing. With' respect to its pokie;(l
points, he agreed with much of what wes safety
his Noble Friend who spoke last. Althou,i;h
sieved the AddresS, as worded,: did not .vies it
;my. express pledge as to measures, yet in his
Ot he thought it contained a ph. of oif,iihw,
least contrary to the s,•nttmeols be had mind,,,:!!,
held, and 'now eentinued te) hold, on the so;*,c:.
He had tiever urged any pror(itiltioit 6() atmIIFIJ
toy that England should Withhold her ee.e.e.eee
-front the inhabitants of Seain end Porini,;;lL,
engaged, as they have b..e.e, in 1!)c
myitel)r ; busta.ctllatsh.ir sotitsi ctt
three
ttlee etltertalned firs Ut,tfiic ri (t t; ~
.oppose a system whiei, wet;t to employ the tlo r
of the British military on I he..contincot of E 0
n;
talbj rastitue‘eivl (I)l4:ttil'`ai e)wrn at
t
country could afford woeld avail, beseevideeee
they `could have .on this head was t LIU infortea-
tion of those Who had heen on tile:
the 'particular circtunst locos of the Po' rttiOv,e
citinpaign, he well recollected the predictions s°o
confidently made in a 'former St,'s!'ilorl. But wit, t
was since the event ? 'Thu ii heard Inut:ti
as to the griert Straits to .which the cairnsw
were reduced for want of proiisions but Witte
respe4 to this it was well keowe„ that in a trait
of riountry, over which a ;species U 1 ictucat
made by the enemy, in • that very traiiitwo:;eevov,eubiteii.....
try,. the Welsh troops found' reseurces for boast
their own wants: Let the relative srit
Of tlJt,
zeititmdei ipigreadri
iice,ris
sbet o‘tw,
hiefti
ihe compared,
al
ialluded
feel-or not. He meant to arraign the. great poj
of tho measure of so iniployin4, ou
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wit, 11 dist 1.(1 t r/rhfitletc iii tai front ilie tnilitat y confine
of their operationi. Uoder such a systt . ho held
the till innte success to be Toey were
bow &Nen to the list tenable post in Poi toga. No
Ulan,- be thought, ciand he sanguine enough to sup-
pose, tkat if the French obtained compltte posses-
uon of Spain, tt would be pownble for Great Britain,
un issisted by ~sty other porAer, to defund Portugal
Ng 'tie t, t't if the Fierich gained entire
possession of Spain—and the
.sobjett of the assist,
ante lobe afflirilnd to Portugal, sitoulti, be thoullit,
• bet 4tft4 to dot cntitntgei,cy.
The Noble and Learacol Lord ((xretwille) nett pro-
c, co, u u Go, tsiiivr of Spain, tind-ro exa-
rnittC hero. ft' it coultL (,!rive from t ii
species of ;ihoitkitt,:e Whic;l Alt!' Were now, atfticting;
her. What„ lie *gold ask, ctosid we: ct Oval
Spain, after, the experience we IctivO Arcady fiajoi
her elFtrts t r her o in acid that at a
tithe when those could, in 41 appearance, havo beta
Most etf..,Jitally.earrti-d 1 At (146 t
si.Ay, lid intirc:4,4 into
111(4c:tit pa(lf Gerowny, while 'a Brit tittity
ployed ;+''Arce,t portion of tire Vrenill force in apottter
quarter; 3nd what did Siiyai ihtin CtlCtt ftlr herself,
eteOtnaft,r the favour of this v.trions and powerful
diversion ? And now 'when the attention Of the
princip3l Itreuch ftile is ett,,agied, awl ettiro,,Ad by
the presettc- oh a s6l.:!i..ti astel'ort,44tites.e aru;y, vi hat
advantage has +Ate *alien of ttesourable oppor-
tunity to 104;.ite 3 great and blow I—So
fount battling 060401 Ail! t,igoal Latress over the
etienty, are not the frrtttrii, it the Cotal'acy, d4,iy
gant!ille, gicoltid in the et gantry The o'4;4l4:linos, ,
Atiterefore, of Noble 1.0(..1s o hi 4; Me of the louse,
to far turns beitigthiprovixt with regard ci Slr citt, ale
fully veriikkf by Ofe. itesult.
,Ottr modeof assistiog
Sp .111, convquentiv app-as loittritnal with regard
to that country, and imparovidettt. with relp4;td, to the
.&nployment "of our °wit oat tonal reaotirecic, Thi.,
hqwever, Was a alibied tit vety cxtensive bearttigi
and Ise should tlot (NW entet into any of it
pan iciaus con setp.ienc7eS . tit t.ltr)ii;diontent hi %itself ,
in present, with ettteritig txtleititt piotr...st.a4aio‘t
that paragrapti earl 1 be Address, kShicit promised that
the assistance of a smart hec milituty Cowes huhdd, he of -
fordtii to Stain and Poritje,il. IC their Lotchtliwi
-itgrowd to brat part of the Address, 'they would en-
contact-a ontidnd which mien prove highly
'dent, and which ttlit,bt be attended with ettetts ex
tretut.l, ngerons.to the best tit tel'Onti of Elm coun-
try. in which he considered
the tetidtoCy uftttat part of the A4dyr.43, rind
deed, were it not tor ttiott snragraph, tie should red-
dily ti.ry .4iiett his .11,tt nt, to it: last yaragraph
Itt the Address via,. 4)9(...• 300,144 N-1 Thai Iliticcrsa
satisfaction rive airsttt that rfaragryli which in.
formed vicar I.,i4xisiiipt that onr differences witn,
America 'vete ill 3 iittoCiatv)ii wititil was
likely to lead., to AO 311,i.C16;e tesuir.. Notoing,
iii
his opinion, Ur' ti4i MOM tile lies intrreocs
Of (...,.otittry, ttiiit at wind underst,hl,...ing and
frteraily inierciairiie with Antetica 4 awl if now at
Litt a prosptOs o*ned of the Approach of soch 3
etierit. txlte 4I that, pro4,eet tie wouldrinost
60Ih toestitries.: There was
an otnisSirn i, the Spetuli and the Address whiets,
be could not. ti,it sKtetice lAttient, ft isu4e tact
a:L(l64ra to Opt vphil 01 't 1 le Cortini t C,
and the stztti; rtt wit
Wail a stoat 11.40143 M he sbould (46
another ooratiAto o linitiging it. iii der tJirir. 6„,d.
ships' ootts9t4-...ratinii. I:: could not well hate With
held thety# 1,3.111ie of the (1101't pfo- ,
st,ie,rtrkit topics the Address, nor upon whatit
bat he too Ltd *maid to. a ft„v.:
nett t',;l eviteringsitne at, large in td,the
carAi3nl 3)3" i*:tl
114 k 1:1 :t2A1014 *s.i.roted their Lordships
that lte,abotidd tit:tattle u.tttit t ytw
ohlervailora; i hut there Watt at fcw topio2 of the
Noble 11,ron's spcech which it .4V4N litiap,esitge
tor hitn tia ook uuttoticci. had the
Impithketii 6604 locooiot, botti•ever, with
topipi: of Isis the
fiti:l; Whore lie paid. it dile Obi:Alt, of praise to the
q wult vuWt.;lt hill Noble Ll`riend,
• c..lti. l uul, clinnitetiti:d On the sfreech
It a i 1 hire coofesfitd what was due
, and ctindUc.it .4 the 11144triclas
'ount...Lurid that spetelt wan ddiver.
t.:„,! Witit referezze to the Icefing
seitcrtt *SC r.o.naltza of that illustrious
.„6,i IL, p1.„„..&,,,t Gnicuson, it wasitriptpatibln,
the t5.,,,/.Ce,,s 5, 44 dtawn op in teints,tan
and ;i4 feelings most justty
apprecjaied tilt iherae whit stood in 'the intnation. to
'Koh:A:ha attKA but a sinnlar impression most be
Made by on -ill rued whit duly estimated what
was alrlacty 'known, and pa!tirtdarly when they
cattle to cotiteniplatelwhat might yet .he
tothi &tiers! tenor 'of the SOrech, if it did not
de/le:W.3d it more minute votic,ilats, it Was Irons a
4styld, as far AS iitiAli4lll, a difference of
opitiku it occJfiiot# like the preterit, reaped.
ing topics oleo vtli"..th diffeiceurte rtf opinion may.
have 4nte9edectly prevailed. With a view, how-
ever, the accomplislititent of -that: wish,
in treating the topics cow-lint?' ari ttkt gp9sdh
and in the 444rvig, titevcittKe is made of,
soy piLbtie prilitai)ie, hot th-y art;, as tie had already.
obF,ert,ed, totOwti.upon in, terms, and in 3 amulet
Inas( likely to create any of thu difference of opi-
Ciou which, on the pi*itent,.occttion,, every.Nohlo
Lord roust feel should be moat:earnestly deprecated
with ristiag th.e isaatrize of soy public print:44o,
anti 110Cor,,liog, Mine were here bur-int:4d. The only
paragropli fez Wili.‘h the Noble, Baton °Netted, was
that which' mewed to Portugal said Spain. ~Bat
what atter all did th.it paragtapli now hold put, to
winch Parliament hid not already been pledged:l
Parliatiteitt was not called upon for any new pledge
to the effal, or any ittCaSiir4 for attaining.
1,9144101 A were only called, upon express acs ctltittiott
SO to otir periwieNinice itt,a Ilan of contlud in which
we.; haver h4en engagnd by the advice and
'AN/rob:Won of Pat liaalettl, f t was not tail the pro.,
pr
sly of his lientititents, or of the sentiments 9f his
c,(lxagties in office, that their Lordships were now
Iv 'pronounce, bit Ott the
,SeiltirrietitS arid opinions
Letrdsiiipoi ftaci already more than tinge
3,04,10r,,,,1,,,,.t:;ed and express gvon .those wno.
&tiered toile bins ai to the particular mode of co-
%nit still agreed that assiatanc9
!,Rill should he afforded to -Spain and
'lo the affording of astiiianr:,!e, iii 101111/4.
leact, their were all
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tent. With what face then could thcir Lordships w' w
Intsitatis to give our Allies the sdvantage af knOW-.
ing-that they were *till to have encouragement and
soppr,irt Irani this-country, in theiil, arduous struitgfe
againit ),he cornindia enry ? ,-babpecific' mode, or
systern bye liiclr t et aas)stancits' shclold be Afforded,'
wesflaw prbposed rtheti Lordslitpi'were merely re-
quired to gise sortie general assurance that they were
not prepared wholly to desert our Allies ; and such
an assurance wo were surely bnon&tri • give-t hem by
every prinetple of jt.tittice, oration() and gtiod faith.
When the was t.ropowd for Portugal, what
was i ire language held by some !,..tird% to disstia le
the Ilimse trout ag.i2eing to dolt measure 1)til
;hey it,lt then say that in a ttw• trioni its the Bliiish
army would 1),1 cattpelled to come home, that the
cause in which they were ertgAvi! w,ts hopt Irss, ab-
solotely hopeless ; that to advantage Whatever
sOuld be stertvod from the employ menu of a Piirtu.
goese army ? Had these predictions been, verified
.14ve ito the Pint nguit.it troops been brought to a
yeti' high degree el', discipline We nor had
thtt tvocutiony of the Commander in' Chief, Lord
Wellington, and of General Betesford, who more
ttuturdiately cumniands the Portuguese force, that
tire Portuguese .truops are perfektly competent to
fight in the ratalpi with British soldiers ; to emulate
their discipline and.steaditiess and emuiate the ,glory
of their ettplotia ? Their con'tititt„ on all trying
casinos, has already 04tatned the apptobation and
applause ot, ekery 3ry ittan lit what instance
have the Portuguese disappointed our expectations ;
and it in notreorpoir what ground could we now de.
sett them ? As id America, there was n.thing new
in the tone and language which, was now held out
to that country—the British Govern lent had al-
ways been ready to treat tier in the most conciliating
manner, to ett press a desire to cultivate the must
perfeci amity, and enter into the fullest commercial
intercourse with the United Stales. But with re.
gard to the nature of any negociatiou, or adjuittnent
01 ditrerence,s tiOW pending between the two c:mn-
tries, it would ,surely be premature :arid improper
now to cater into any discussion. Our• II 4ulutir,n
so assert our mnritnue tight watt Bever intended
atty pa.iiicobir, nation, and if it aireelii any.,
tt is not ,aoot design, but merely
Noblek al then coos:tad:xi by tepeic,ing,
that the present A,t3ilreia clad ilea! pledge their
Lordships to any new mea.ure or plan, biumterely
stalled upon thew to acktrowledgo toe Sentiments
wit cis they had already repeatedly professed to en+
tertalo.

1,00 G acksvevou otletell a tew words in expla,
nation,

The E3O RADVoit viitirdy COlicsUffed 41,311 she
tOplCi tot tlte A4dr. 6; 4,010 L saw atay tl ii io
objqct, t') it ),Aa,. tatool W totl p,,ottly 01 praitte
tkai oo ihe tient views dltd ftvlittg%
wi!icit taw
,ct.aracteti,o, I tac Ltu)al
1110)4s tilt 1 riiio: iiitOt§ghr)Ut W110:4 a their
delicAte and perplc•xiti,; ploctvditio.
• The: (piestiuri w 44% then put iliAt f4v4,isitips
do adNit the Adtires6, aild it was agreed to withOtit
a divisiutt.

It, ivfo. num, moved, and 'tigt eed to, that their
Lord •hipi, io thetr white *owes, do wail U1,1)13
441'e P4lll<tt 1.4) leant when big Roy
04s; wilt ire: plealtati to rmoit'e tlte t%4l,lteiceß—Ad-
j(Rauttil.