The Sun.
London, England, 1816-02-28 00:00:00

not patiently submit to what, has been sit other irons. that side of the tlOnse ; anti lie had no
;;ester!; 'lto hes in reserve 'taxes mach, more doubt that every possild2 attempt ,vault! he made
grievous and oppressive." But he hoped the from', that quarter, to lay obstaeles." against the
people would not be terrified.; he hoped they measure► however tweessarYt lin:Were!' wise, with
would reSPeOtfully. and steadily continue their.
•vie w to the safety and interests of the country.
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posture': to, this measure ; and lie did i,stetini the • .4r.: C. WYI4),M, toner ieing.soshe extireatiOns
langimge Tilde use Of' most h`ovel and extra i in the-Nuble-:hord's epeccli seplietrto irlat•.had
esiunteif, iiiit these was, no relarion frinn hint; rethai'ke.d. this Inate.ivelity
'sribeisting beta eel) hs and : the. people; that they upon them.? told eetered into e..-iliert
were not to differ, in opinion ;
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and that it they 1, ord Birelieseo likewise expliiacil,
;dice,We were to "pniiisli 'them hi-inflicting new- that his observation‘ refereed to the speech
;grierassees still' more. 'intolerable • titan the. pre., ; Freensantle, riot to that at the floir..Gentletoat., •
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ceding . t r
Mr. BARING Saitl.tri.tt 41,Wal cer.e,o.y:vo y true
Mr. Rose
‘explained. 1: thattheopiniou of tire Cliancellor of, the Beetle.
Mr. I.leouo trAti ,aid. if any thing could induce quer on this subject had been eressed over and
hint to persevere in the system' he had proposed, over again 1. What ,w.es wanted oil rite other side
it was the 'N ler imb of the Right Hon. Ckentlenia , te, wasthat the country might have tali ()ppm itiony
who seeing; the distress of the country, knowing of declaring its opinion. lie could not think filet
the aversion whielt was. entertained.' by all rattles the: Noble Lout (Binning) had at .all sietde out a
rieainst the • tit* 'contemplation, had had ease of misrepreeentation against hii tend
course to the desperele,expetlieot:of saying, • (Mr.- Fre.entitittle)....•lt that Establishment' which
were how you wince
,under the little finger of the was talked of was • agreed •to by •the'!..Hotsse,
Chancellor of the IF,Xeltetpter, or in a few days was clear that Taxes of some 'kind would
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you Warred the 'weight 'cit. his. whole hand." • tailed 'for to support it. It was • therefore
Mr. Rosa explained. • .
in vain to say that there • was no con-
ADeitrto.r,.osi complained, that charges iteelloie, between the.. Establislimetst , and. the
„had been brought against the Chancellor of the Property •Tax. Much as to the continuance of
Exchequer, arld'in -a Much' !Muter ttnie then that • this 'odious' Tax would `depend On whether the
adopted on the Treasury side Ofthe-Howie.; One 'louse voi ed the Oitablishment. 'l' here had. been
of these charges was, that be endeavoured to stifle : no argument 1.0 spew that it.
.would. be improper.
she voice of the people: now the [louse had beets . to give the country 011.0111)0 mi:l4y of presenting
:sitting nearly "a Month; and during that period his Petitions to the House, 'except iiitieett that the'
Right Hon. Friend had explicitly declered his in- Bill 'iVoulif.soon expire.. Bur this wns uo reason ;;
'tendons tin less titan three 6km:4,4,1031m hrst•oc..; beetittee.- if the imposition of tie' 'ax should he
elision of Isis doing so. was on the very first day of: .fotiedabsoltitely necessary, app be resolved on
the 'Session. •cobld then lie chirgell' with pre:- ;by the. House. it 'Was by 116 means necessary, in
cipitation, after a warning so.
repeatedly given totterio'the levying of the-Tax, toliave' the new
1-I,ven'ester. had. heed more astonished' thou at the 1341 pessedhefore the old one expired. The new
seggeetioti of-such a charge. Another clettge ntig,lit be made to act retrospectively, at hail
,brattglit forward had beeti that or a violation of'. fortherly been the ease ; for this' tale was *Ca-
public • faith 1 that ,a pledge had bt.en .openly'' 'lettcll wily once as year. The House was non,:
given, and that l'arlianient were hound to the uti.
,rit> doubt ry its.-.great• surprise, informed ,far the.
servatice•of the promise held net. lie, for his pi,
•:first zint.e.that had been given List Ses.
had never beard oi.Apy suiel, pledge, HII,I he as to the .continilance of the Tax OulY for
indeed eittinished at arty main wilt/pird,~Cone year, and to, SispirOre this; -it Was pr'ot'ect, that
himself in any degree for t'.e exigeneies'or eir. by'somer very *tinning device, twO little wUrds.
cittnstances of a future peiimi. There' wise "bad i•ren.,left out in the Act. Every one was sen.
(Slit (abet; charge lo which he could not. avoid Bible of the ;,theedful tlistress et the eostutry,
!titling,: The. other side of the littlisehad taken' &ilk some' of Clse fright`lion.-(hentlemen oppteSite,
lip at great avcrliott-to certain expression: which win) prOliabir had durier the lieason, travelled' no
they ,aestittled,,letuLbeen na.tlle rise of in tiik quor- farther., t mom.; ,14omloki and Brighton, ,
,ter; aiming these wv, 4. t ignorant imp:deuce 'where..e.c,totplz
.0,1, were not' very likely to see
.of fretpieetly attested to. for' Hi- -.,anf !Leiria a itistrec,—:no'sywq,ctiiii, Pik etxMouity
part, lid hit Voiver -beard that eicl)4'gfirtiti made retreiioiiiiiit int act:omit ~ioltise severity, oldie
.101 V of ; arid, what was 'remarkable, IT: a 'single ay...cunceived-it to he that; duty of .eyery.
person (us that side lit liett*lied es et, heatti 'Menttiel tfl,ilirow every posAble obstacle in: the
jt ; hut he was cerrain, at all greirt*s., that it • had way 6( fitti'ters ill hers that -the people
.never been ilia& (Ile of in the sense' which lead mils lave"tune to ex.prets their sentiments to'
~been attributed to it, He was sore the pttierside --Theliontre,..„..Thir was :ill they „ •
,of' the House would giVe then: cre„ditfor-piret4ei.;l .4Vaer,,kcis contended that th,' countiy had
testing in 'an equal degree iiifesling for othee expresiing its sentiments than by.
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tliey seeined' to Ott j. petitioning. -lie tor 'one 4.did not remember the
`ean6t4 that the Chancellor Of tfie -Exchequer fely)-4iltidge-tarnltoArave been given In the Chancellor
a tuAliaintts Celight in inflieting,on the .people ol...riee;Jilxellequerlast yeaf.
most oppressiee modes of texation ; :.he. wes, cte.l. • Sir AtegoteroSit was:seniihle 'diet there Were
tain,,frowever, dolt no man tvotild be mere ten- cases' win hich 'Vic:Ws of the people must. 'be
aibly delighted titan his Right lion. Friend; at/- a thwarted, aittiAlteir tuclinittieni opposed,„for their
ie• in his power to lessen the bUrthens. 0t.,,! 1.0 wn perthationt. -w.eitare. Batt there were some
the'peopte. i ,sohjectkon„whiclathey were perfectly capable• of
Mr. W. Fueest.karLe insisted oil the charge judging, and their petitiews statenietit of h,riv-
against Ministers, of wishing to.stille the sorer of ancei shrirtlll alwayaaneet tvi lost respectfid, and
the people, As to the titee.fiXed by the }let' fbe .ertriative, ;examination. One Right Honourable'
the expiration. ot. tax,.'oe the' enuiestioiyest in•eitiitentles.kauVij. H. Adding;Oi;) had not heard a
scram) of any particular form of .words.iii the Act,;;,,fayteg of the 'l+,:oble Lor& (Castlereagh]
'he cared not. it.waitibt to be aqui:talon of word's: been So ,aftell .quoted, though he. Wee its the
lie Mai !rained that •au absolute iilolge had been I House at the time's( sc as uttered. He bed heard
gi !en by Ministers,, thin, the tax should -not, he. sthat in bad tilliel, Gentlemen sonic( i tiles itirrene
coetinued, and lie challdiged ,any,..Nleinber.who I dered to the rbliiiisteF of the day. The Gentle-
wets present tvhen'the Bill was pasted,' to say wile; ; men opposite lied of late been, afflicted with the
tiler this was not thafact. Al to the expression, ; infirmity of being dumb I. now .r.nothe.r come
" ignorant impatience," hnputetito the,woble Lord, , upon: them, that of deafnes.s. He had bearty in.
he distinctly remembered the words to heel) st lice, of Getitleinen surrendering 'their' tinder:
tittered by hint. Would the lbon..Getttle inine;' standings; he had heard .of instaikees win...re they
who spoke last, venture to say that these. words i. even liirrendcred their eonscient.e.; Aria was
had not been used by the' Noble Lord It 'was , the first case that C94)C to4.iA ktiowlerlge, ii)
•in vain .to. deny them. It was a cool rlt iiberatte,h,frOM.eflicia -they bad •surreii-
,phrase, used as a twilit and insult to the other &red Olen* St/lieSp • '
aide of the 'House; It was, indeed; trite that lie Petition wNsilten, read, end, ortleted to,
diseession would be pretnature, when petitions.- on the taole. • ,
w\ere, presented daily, and accounts received of Ata.iquit'NEt) nE,nATE ciN THE AlltrlY
othßes in prepar4iou, in every quarter. The ar. Lord a`lr.at• Toni ni is kal the Order'of the
gument of the' Right Kon;Gentlermip ('Mr. Rose) ftir takothing• the Debate sin tare questioo •of
went to the expenditure dein:mkt, tits leering-tint, Atiny &An-OWe% to the cwatoittee of
the exent Of the Establishment:and that the Vro.. .Supply.
'perty Tax was to he fixtd for the Establishment. f;nari.a.liatl never. heavil amore its-
( Rose said, No.) He contt ode,' [hit this: yOtt.int question ti-Otteted,lts • Parliannt—lii4
was fairly theurgument of'the Right don. Gen. iteyer- eddressed theliouSe,svith.the emotion which
tlettian. Ministers proposed to, levy opoo the., he eow felt vine Alte,tiotesoi!tt was only; whether. or
during a profound peace,
,taxer. to the net the llose..e would con Sent to•make of oar. free
amount 71) was only Aix, mil- ConetitutionausilitaryUntsarehy. That pi ()position
lions less. thait what' had heels re-gloved doring the .. was Ices :than nit atteur{tt to impose:
inoet, oppressive: period of the wee...a-war unex a in- .' tat TY-Uovst.s: 'duet-4 oa alte„ coil try. For one, lie coold
pled in point. of expensiveness, , tie tininitaiiiell I not consent to clot() Its details', and Wooht hear
that it had-not been truly -Stated- thatAlr. Pitt no suite ott that point., (Ltuighter.) It was an
had said that be regretted that the Peace Esta. insult to the itinferstanding of- the, !louse. to wish
to makis them believe, ie 'estateof profound pence,
blishinitit of '1793 had been so 'small.. The,
was bound to throw every difficulty in the.wayof,: tiott en establishment of, 150,000 men Could be
Ministers, it' they peneeered in harrying an iseeeSseq nt . The Gintleen oepoSite might langh
decision of this most important question. it they pfeMed, hint they.must.,sepoose the Mena-
cis out his side of the 11otise were persOni born
Lord' Ottitstalo.--It was, so much the. practice j yesteriley„ completely ignorant at history,
on the. oilier side of the house to give the worst. they' ealied.epritialietti to think such.en es.
colouring to :evety•thifigthat wae' said by Mini- tablisliment cohsiStent with the integrity of the
stars, or by those; who supported them sort.; Coilitittititn}...H[liere the Honourable Gentleman,'
to conduct Wits so initial with these (sentleurent.t.. notwitlistending his proMise, entered iron some
was so much th'eir stuck itr.• tra—
dethat it would details,'- end.. instituted a contaritori between the
be Waite iwvain to: make at appeal to. their can—Peace Establislinient now 'proposed and those of
dour, or to expect anY thing like fairness froffi ' farmer eras)..Upon every viewot the subject, it wait
them. He only rose in consequence of the chide 'inipossibleto make DLit the necessity forsueli a Peace
Jiinge ofahe Hon. Gent. '(l‘fr. Freemantle) to those. EbtahliNli went, unless we were to believe that the
,which tool raised' its to otir preSent tiles Membirs;:who: had' been ptitent when the 'Pro-
perty `Past • bill avas.passed,.to state whether a titan' of pOwer and glory, had. suddenly tailed us.
pledge had not been , given by Ministers that the It'lldcl been that the army would ra-
Tax was:only to be contiifiied for a year.- He min Limits the coptroul of Parliament, 'because
had been-present, and had heard ,no•such pledge,.. :the Estimetes were only voted for a • year,-
lie knew not how there could he airy such pledge. and 'at any future period might he either cur-
Another' charge was preferred against. Ministers, tailed- in their extent or withholder altogether,.
on.sthe store of stifling the public, voice or; this -if thc /louse• should think tit. But be wished
subject.. Ile•wialiett to be informed how this was to 'know whether there was any thing new to
to be done ? same sbibg was said of every ieeOniMend chit as au additionel - security ?,
tax t'iroposed by the Government—the same acen- Wereluit 'the Army Estimates always !tined for
ration was kept alive, -forsooth, . the voice 'one yea: only l As to the controul of Parliament,
'of the pUblic could be stifled.' The Chancellor they were nut to invest the Crown with powers
tvit. the Eichequer; on the very first day of the i which theYcOnsidered inconsistent with the seed..
'essiort, which • waa'now a mortal Ago, gave no- rity of the.Coustitatinn, in 'the hope •titat., they
Lite that he intentlisl to propose the -e01164111.111Ce 1 might afterwards reduce them. For they might
oe
'of the t. Was, it. then to be said • that time 'then find theinselves fulfilling all the fOrms and
people to present' -poi. ittuctitn"
:was not alloivel for the of ti,free Constitution, when that fres.
's'tioat -.l,3tit.this as just any_ ,oilolll :was at an goer.
,i thiou tilt ;these.. grounds tst
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