The Sun.
London, England, 1827-03-27 00:00:00

STATE PAPERS.

Mr. Secretary CANNING appeared with certain papers
in his hand. The Right,Hon. Gentleman looked delicate,
and the few observations which he made in laying the do-
cuments on the table, were delivered in a low tone of
voice. The first of the papers which he held was, he said,
a Treaty concluded between his Majesty and the Emperor
of Brazil, whereby the final Abolition of the Brazilian
Slave Trade was stipulated for, and was to take effect in
three years from the interchange of the Art-idea ; and in
the interim the traffic was to be subject to all the imposi-
tions and restrictions which affected the Portuguese Slave
Trade. The second paper was a Convention between this
country and the United States of America, settling a point
which had long been a matter of controversy—indeed,
ever since the termination of the war—with respect to
the slaves taken from their owners and proprietors in the
course of the war. The House would recollect that this
matter had been made the subject of an arbitration—it
had been referred to the Emperor of Russia, and the
award of his Imperial Majesty was unfavourable to our
Government. There had since been a discussion as to the
amount of compensation to he paid to the United States,
who had demanded two millions of dollars, and it would
be in the recollection of the House, that he (Mr. Canning)
had about three years back obtained 200,000/. from the
House on account. A sort of compromise had been effect-
ed, and the claim of the United States had been bated
down to 1,200,000 dollars. He would accordngly be
under the necessity of calling upon the House for the small
fund which would be requisite to pay off the balance of
that sum. The remaining paper which he held was the
completion of a Correspondence which had been carried
on with the American Legislature, on the subject of the
United States and the British West India Colonies. Three
letters, forming part of this Correspondence had been al-
ready published, and as the world was thus in possession
of a portion of the Correspondence, there was no occasion
for snaking any secret of the remainder. These various
papers were printed according to the usage.
The papers were ordered to lie on the table.

Mr. HIJME begged leave to ask the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman whether the Correspondence which he had pro-
duced was final and conclusive on the subject to which it
had reference.

Mr. CANNING.—I hare reason to consider it final, as
I have had the last word.—(A laugh.)
Mr. J. GRATTAN presented a petition from the Ro-
man Catholic freeholders of the county of Westmeath in
Ireland, praying for Catholic Emancipation. The Hon.
Gentleman observed, that unless the Right Hon. the Se-
cretary for Foreign Affairs would turn his attention to the
settlement of this question, it would be impossible for any
gentleman to remain in Ireland, and to do his duty to the
country.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
On the motion that the House do resolve itself into a
Committee of Supply,
Mr. MABERLY urged the necessity of the House
coming to some determination at the beginning of the Ses-
sion, as to the incidental amount of supply for the year, and
having the ways and means laid upon the table, so as not
to be called upon to vote large sums of money, without
knowing where the funds wet e to come from. The Right
Hon. Gntleman had stated last year the necessity of di-
minishing the unfunded debt of the country ; and he had
proposed raising a loan of eight millions for that purpose.
Now it would be right for the House to see bow that fund
had been disposed of, before it suffered another large sum
of the public money to be voted away. The Right Hon.
Gentleman Lad, as he (Mr. Moberly) believed, received
Mrs.. million. Ave 'hundred thousand pounds of the eight
millions in Exchequer Bills, and the remaining four mil-
lions five hundred thousand pounds in cash. The loan was
raised for the purpose of paying off six millions out of the
eleven millions dae to the Bank, three millions ware to be
paid by the Commissioners of the Sinking Fund. The
Right Hon. Gentleman, however, had taken four millions
five hundred thousand pounds of the money obtained by a
vote of the House fur a distinct and specific purpose, and he
had converted it to the Ways and Means for the year, and the
Sinking Fund. The House then ought to look narrowly to
the appropriation of former grants. Notwithstanding the
distribution of large sums, scarcely any reduction of
the debt had taken place. He would ask whether it was
expedient for the House to persevere in such a course, and
suffer so large a sum as 4,500,0001., voted for a specific
purpose, to be diverted to another object. The Right Hon.
Gentleman was now, as appeared by the papers laid on the
table of the House, appropriating 1,200,000/. to the reduc-
tion of the Sinking Fund for this quarter. He (Mr. Ma-
berly) was desirous to know from what source this sum
was to be derived. The Right Hon. Gentleman must
borrow from the Bank, or he must have some mode of rais-
ing money of which that House had no idea. Where could
he get such a sum to buy up the unfunded debt ; for it ap-
peared that this 1,200,0001. was to be issued between the
sth of January and the sth of April. It was high time for
the House to look into these matters. In 1525, when the
finances were comparatively prosperous, the Hon. Gentle-
man had thought it expedient to set the Budget before the
House, in April ; and in 1826, from the same cause, ee
brought it forward in March ; but now, when the revenue
was depressed and deranged, he thought proper to post-
pone the exposition. He repeated that it was the duty of
the Right Hon. Gentleman to bring forward the Ways and
Means before he called upon the House to vote twenty mil-
lions. The country had a large army abroad, and he was
sorry to observe, from the papers recently laid on the table
by the Right Hon. the Secretary for the Home Depart-
went, that although Portugal was eventually to defray the
expences of that army, yet we were, in the first instance,
to advance the means. He did not mean to affirm that we
should not hereafter be reimbursed. Indeed, in the case
of the Austrian Loan, we had had what might be called a
God-genii ; but we were seldom so fortunate e-eto be in-
demnified for our advances. He must again preset the ex-
pediency of the estimates for the Supplies of the Ways and
Means being brought forward at the same time.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER must
protest against being drawn into premature and partial
expositions which could tend to no good purpose. He
would now beg to make one or two observations with
reference to himself, as implicated by the animadversions of
the Hon. Gentleman. The Hon. Gentleman complained,
that because the revenue of the past year had unfortunately
been somewhat defective, and because the Hon. Gentleman
anticipated a similar catastrophe in the present year, he
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) kept back the statement
of the finances, seeing that he had not a flourishing account
to give of them. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) did
no such thing. He had stated at the . beginning of the
Session, the reasons which would render it impossible that
the House should he put in possession of the early informa-
tion which the Hon. Gentleman considered ought to be
communicated. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
had found, that in the course of last year, events had oc-
curred affecting our foreign relations in such a manner as
to render it necessary for this country to fit out an arma-
ment for the support of our ancient ally. This armament
could not, of course, be sent out to the place of its destina-
tion without an expense, the amount of which it
was utterly impossible to foresee. Until a judgment
could be formed as to what effect the transmission
of the troops might produce—what length of time
it might be necessary for them to remain, and what
might be the course of operations in which they would be
engaged—it would have been fruitless to attempt to inform
the House to what extent the finances would be influenced
in consequence of that act. It would be recollected that
when his Majesty sent down his message communicating
to the House what had occurred—the House did—although
not unanimously, yet, by a very
large majority—declare its
determination to support his Ilajesty in the line of policy
which was considered necessary for the honour and the
interest of the country, and the House having thus pledged
itself for the advancement of an object, the propriety and
wisdom of which the Hon. Member had himself avowed,
by voting in its favour—would it not be the highest pos-
sible degree of inconsistency not to have given to the
Crown the means of carryin-
g so important an object into
effect 2 It had been impossible, then, owing to these cir-
cumstances, and without reference to himself, or to con-
siderations personal to him (the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer), and which he had no right to obtrude upon
the House, to bring forward the general statement of the
finances as desired by the Hon. Gentleman. But what
was the course which he (the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer) had hitherto pursued, and which he was confident
--0,1,1 teed tlie Hem, normit him of imy deairo CO arm-

prom, or unneceigarily to postpone tile financial statement
In 1823, sometime in the month of January, ho was ap-
pointed to the office which he had now the honour to bold.
The department was-then quite new to him, of course he hail
his lesson to learn. Yet in that year, he brought forward
the general statement of the finances of the country so early
as the 21st of February. On the following year he brought
it forward on the 13th February. It was his principle,
and on that principle he would always endeavour to act, to
submit the financial statement as early as possible to Par-
liament. The next year he brought it forward on the 28th
February. Last year he introduced the financial statement
on the 14th of March. The time had been earlier fixed,
but was postponed from day to day, in consequence of the
earlier part of the Session being occupied on the subject of
currency. lie assured the House he' had 110 desire to pass
off the consideration of this annual statement ; but at the
same time he would remind the House that he bad not
pledged himself, under all circumstances, whatever might
arise in every year, to bring forward that statement at any
particular time, or on any particular day. He would de-
clare candidly to the House, that if the statement was now
brought under a partial discussion, it would not be either
satisfactory or intelligible to the House. It was necessary
indeed to call upon the House to vote the Army and Navy
Estimates, in order to keep up the operations of the
country. Whatever the Hon. Gentleman may think, it
would be impossible for him to answer the question of the
Hon. Gentleman without fully entering into the discussion.
Mr. MABERLY said that all he wanted was to have
laid on the table the Estimates of the Ways and Means.
Sir J. WROTTESLEY said there was a considerable
diminution in the revenue. It was not of much consequence
whether it was 16 or 20,000,000/. ; but if be (the Chan=
cellor of the Exchequer) would come forward to ask the
country for more taxes, he (Sir J. W.) would meet that
demand with some proposition for reforming some part of
the expenditure. The Right Hon. Gentleman should take
into consideration the number of Exchequer bills now out,
to the amount of 25,000,000/. The Bank of England had
21,000,0001. in circulation. .The country at this time cer-
tainly was not called on to pay these bills ; but if any cir-
cumstance should arise unfavourable in our foreign policy,
in which the Right Hon. Gentleman would be called on to
pay this 25,000,000/. without 6d. in the Treasury, he
would ask the House what state would the finances of the
country be placed in? What was the situation of the
country a year ago, when an attempt was made to rid the
market of Exchequer bills, when the Si- per Cents were
purchased out of the Sinking Fund at 95 and 96 ? If any
thing adverse should happen, these Exchequer bills would
not be at a premium, het would be at a considerable dis-
count. He cautioned the Right Hon. Gentleman to pause
before he increased the number of Exchequer bills, for it
was the opinion of many that circumstances might arise,
out of the operations in which we were now engaged, to
depress the country. He would recommend the House to
get rid of the Sinking Fund, and take the Exchequer bills
out of the market altogether, and in case any unfavour-
able circumstances should arise, the market would be
free. jThe Government would then be enabled to defend
either the rights of the country, or assist the merchants in
distress.

Mr. C. PELHAM said a few words, the purport of
which did not reach us in the gallery.
Mr. HUME said that the Hon. Member for Abingdon
merely wished to know the state of the affairs of the country
from the responsible persons, inasmuch as the appearances
from abroad were not very favourable. He regretted there
was not laid before the House, a statement of the unap-
propriated balances from year to year, which he understood
might have been furnished in forty-eight hours.
The House then went into a Committee.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER here ob-
served that the statement of the unappropriated balances
was laid upon the table of the House, and might have been
seen by the Hon. Member.

Mr. HUME continued—The Right Hon. Gentleman
had not assigned one satisfactory reason for not giving a
statement of the finaaces of the country, save thie extra-
ordinary one—that he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
could not calculate what the expences of the armament to
Portugal would amount to. He cautioned the House not
to vote away the public money, unless they should see
the means of obtaining it. The Right Hon. Gentleman
said the House had granted him certain *urns for the sup-
port of the military establishment. He (Mr. Hume)
would wish to know, when in Committee, the means by
which these sums can he obtained.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped he
Aid not excite in the House any great diatrutst--(hear,)
as he was not called upon to redeem any positive pledge.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the sum not exceeding 200,0001. be granted to his
Majesty for Civil Contingencies.
Mr. HUME would object to this vote as a great abuse
of the public money. He would call the attention of the
Right Hon. the Secretary for Foreign Affairs to one or two
items. There were many Members in this new Parliament
not aware of the enormous expences to which diplomacy
subjected this country. A sum of 226,000/. was voted
yearly for the Civil List ; and under the head of Civil Con-
tingencies and other things, there was an addition of
100,0001. to that sum, besides a no less sum than 58,000/.
for Extraurdinarice. The Minister at the Court of France
had a most splendid establishment as the representative of
Majesty. Last year a cum of 11,0001. was added in ad-
dition, for a suitable palace for the Ambassador, making
in all between 17,000/. and 18,000/.—This year there
is no less a sum than 12,586/.. making together twenty
three or 24,0001. for the individual representing this
country at the Court of France. There was also a sam of
3,6431. for plate, 100,000/. paid fur missions to the States
of South America. Upwards of half a million the diplo-
matic service cost the country—the whole expense amount-
ing in nine years to 3,000,0001. for diplomatic service.
He put it to the Right lion. Gentleman and his Col-
leagues, in defiance of every statement of distress, whether
they could give a satisfactory reason to the House for main-
taming a few individuals in such splendour in foreign cowl-
tries. The people of this country are in rags, and were
not able to bear such burdens. It was a fact that any one
employed in the Government of the United States was only
allowed 2,0001. a year ; and it was well known that
20,0001. a year did not with us command more efficiency.
Any amount, therefore, over 2,0007. was a great wa.te of
the public money. He would now point out a few of the
items as they are disposed of. The Right Hon. Gentleman
mentioned a sum of 150,000/., which is twice as much as
it was in 1795. There are one or two items which re-
quired attention of the House. There was, he understood,
an addition to the expenses by the tnission of the Marquis
of Hertford to the Court of Russia, to pay the compli-
ments of this country to the Emperor. This monarch may
be a very powerful one, and by such proceedings this
country gave him (the Emperor of Russia) reason to be-
lieve that he was all.powerful ; but at the same time,
by sending these missions, regardless of the expense, we
humbled ourselves. To defray the expences of the Duke
of Wellington, on the occasion of the Coronation of the
Emperor Nicholas, 6,5301. This might have been useful
in Order to prevent other greater expences, as we seem
anxious to meddle in affairs on the Continent which do not
concern us. There were 10,000/. to the Duke of Devon-
shire, to defray the expellees of attending the Imperial Co-
ronation, while the country was made to believe that this
Nobleman was to defray all the expences attending the
mission. He could not conceive how all these expences
could be Incurred, since Nicholas wash particular friend
of the Duke of Devonshire. These ceremonies cost the
country 16,000/., in addition to the allowances of the Am-
bassadors at those Courts. Such were the expences Con-
nected) with Royalty. It would he more to the honour
of the country to apportion the expenditure according to
the distresses of the country, and not plunge the country
deeper into difficulties. There will be at least an expence
of 10,000/. for this latter mission. The Old World era/1
not the only theatre of these missions, for the New World
was also the object of this extravagance. I here was
12,000/. to Sir Charles Stuart to defray the ex-
pences of the Mission to the Brazils, in order to support
the same pageantries. They were running the same
course with respect to the Republics of South America. A
sum of 13,000/.
was given to Lord M. Hill, acting Seers_
tary to Sir C. Stuart. In all a sum of 28,932/. for Mis-
sions to South America, exclusive of other expenses.—
There was no less a sum than 25,0001. for snuff-boxes, as
presents. The servants of the India Company carry on
these presents on the system of reciprocity, and are obliged
to give a strict account of them. He would read a few of
the items :—His Majesty gate to the Chancellor of Franco
1,000/. on the ratification of the Treaty. To the Chevalier
de log Rios, on the termination of his mission, 4001. Thus
it appears that when Ministers come to this Court, and
when they depart from it, presents are made to them. He
understood that Rundell and Rridge received 23,000/, one
item of which was a sum of 10,000/. for a sword to the
Duke of Northumberland. A sum of 788/. to Count Oza-
roosky. To the Swedish Minister, on the ratification of a
treaty signed at Stockholm, 3,333/. To the Colombian
Nlinister, on the ratification of the treaty signed at Bogota.
1,9631. This was sufficient to corrupt the honour of the
Republic,were not cut short there would be the same account nest
year.
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nthaeset everycr touch gold flows. If these expenses
()uncle he thought the grant ought not
to stand.

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Mr. CANNING observed, that the Hon. Member had
talked of an assurance being given by Ministers, that the
emhae.ien of the Doke. of Northumberland and Devonshire

Wert, not to be remunerated. No such agsuranea had ever
been given; so far from it, he had stated, in respect to the
Duke of Northumberland, that he did not think remunera-
tion could be made in any other shape:than it bad. Where
the Hon. Member heard of the assurance be (Mr. C.) did
not know. He gave his word of honour be never heard of
it. The Hon. Member had mentioned the name of another
Noble Lord. Though it was entirely against his wish, he
would gratify the Hon. Gent. by assuring him that in the
case of Lord Hertford, he (Mr. C.) had been obliged to givo
way, and to allow that Noble Lord to undertake the mission
without any remuneration whatever.

Mr. HU- 31E asked whether the same sum was to be
charged every year for the repairs of the Ambassador's Pa-
lace at Paris.

Mr. CANNING said the Palace had been purchased in
1816. Surveyors had been sent over from London, and
after a most accurate survey, it was thought better, as a
matter of economy, to repair the Palace. He was as guilt-
less of the expense as the Hon. Gent. The Hon. Gent.
also charged the expense of this Palace to Lord Granville.
Surely if a man built a house which cost 30,0001., it was
not fair to say that that 30,000/. added to 10,0001., which
he received as a salary, made his income 40,0001. Lord
Granville had no decision on thin subject; it was decided
by the surveyors. He (Mr. C.) had found the bargain ten
years old, and the only question he had to decide was, whe-
ther it was proper to continue it.
In answer to a question from Mr. 11. Martin.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
as to the expense of the repairs of the Custom-House, he
certainly consid red that that department was to pay, out
of its own receipts, a charge of that kind. He could have
no objection to furnish the House with the fullest informa-
tion as to the amount of the expense.

Mr. HUME adverted to two other items of 9,7901., and
2,660/. for plate, pictures, &c., for embassies; after which
the vote passed.
Mr. BANKES moved that a sum of 3,0001. be granted
to his Majesty on account of the estimates of expenditure
for the British Museum, and that that sum be paid without
any fee or reduction whatever.
Mr. WARBURTON observed that there were divisions
among the Trustees of the Museum, as to how much should
be appropriated to one department, and how much to ano-
ther. It was extremely difficult to confine their attention
to any one department. Many gentlemen who took an
interest in matters of science were desirous that this over-
grown establishment should be divided into separate de-
partments ; that there should be the library department,
the department of science, and the department of art; and
that each department should be put under different Trus-
tees. At some future period, he would call the attention of
the House more particularly to this subject.
Mr. BANKES said, that if the Hon. Member would look
at the estimates, he would find that they applied as much
to one department as another. It was a little extraordinary
the Hon. Member should make these observations.
Mr. WARBURTON said, the differences he alluded to
took place before the application to Parliament. In former
times, among the Elective Trustees, men were selected for
their science, not their rank ; at present, be understood,
there was a disposition shown to elect persons high in rank,
rather than those well versed in science and art. He
did not wish to specify names. He thought a mixture of
the two would be most advantageous.
Mr. BANKES said there had been no departure from
the usual mode of election. _

Mr. HUME observed that he had understood that it was
not intended to finish the building of the Museum at once,
whereby great ex2ence might be saved, but that it was to
be completed by dribblets. He wished some contradiction
to be given to the rumour.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in order
to be economical, had felt it right to propose to Parliament
a less sum this year than the last. He had thought of
" cutting his coat according to his cloth ;" and that it would
have been a matter of admiration rather than animadver-
sion, that he had proposed 12,000/. instead of 45,000/.
Mr. HUME—The Right Hon. Gentleman throws away
much more money than he need; and this is his mode of
" cutting his coat according to his cloth." I protest
against it. We are worse off for public buildings and mo-
numents than any country in the world. We throw away
large sums of money to keep up appearances abroad, like
some persona' who go about with good coats on their backs,
while all is starvation at home. Let the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman recollect his speech about three years ago, when he
said he regretted our want of public buildings. For the
last twenty years the expence of this establishment has
gone on increasing, when it might have been put en eud
to at once.

The Resolution was agreed to.
Mr. 111/ME begged to know whether his Majesty's Mi-
nisters did receive any presents in return fur those they
presented?
Mr. CANNING answered, that it was customary for
those who signed treaties to give and receive snuff-boxes
in return.

'I he House then resumed—the Report to be received to-
morrow.

CORN TRADE.

On the motion of Mr. C. GRANT, the House resolved
itself into a Committee on the Corn Trade Acts.
Mr. C. GRANT stated, that in compliance with the
desire of several Gentlemen, a change bad been made to
the Imperial, instead of the Winchester measure ; and he
had now to submit the Resolutions as altered according to
the Imperial scale. Without entering into minute calcu-
lations which had produced the result he was about to
state, it would be sufficient to say what had been the re-
sult. The result was, within a fraction of hi., much the
same 'as that before the House, and the House would not
be scrupulous on those minute points. If the price of
wheat, according to the Winchester measure, was taken at
605., the corresponding price, according to the imperial
measure, ought to be 61e. lOid. He had taken the price
at 625. ; the corresponding duty would be 203. lid. He
had taken that at 20s. Sd. The scale would then pro-
ceed by 2e. as before, When barley was at 3:35. the duty
would be 12s. 4d. With respect to oats, the duty would
be Os. 3d. on the 255. price.
Mr. WHITMORE asked what duty would be payable
at 72k—whether Bd. or le. Sd. ?

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Mr. C. GRANT said the duty would be Sd. As to
wheat, meal, and flour, in the place of five bushels he had
88 gallons of wheat, and it would stand, "fur
every barrel, being 196 lbs. a duty eqied in amount to the
duty payable on 38 gallons of wheat." As to oatmeal,
it was one of the most difficult things to apportion the pro_
i- i
.
duce of oatmeal to the oats. At first• a great error had
been committed by inserting 252 lbs. He had then re-
curred to the Act of 1791 as the standard. The Resolu-
tion would then stand, according to the Imperial measure,
" Oatmeal—For every quantity of 181 f lbs. a duty equal
in amount to the ditty payable on a quarter of oats."
Mr. C. PELHAM made some observations, which did
not reach us in the gallery--
Lord ALTHORP suggested the propriety of extending
the time for taking the averages from one to six weeks.
Mr. IRVING concurred in the resolutions as arranged
by his Majesty's Alinisters.
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Mr. C. SMITH thought it safer to extend the period
for taking the averages to six weeks.
Col. WOOD said that if the average was to be taken by
the single week, it would give a great opportunity for the
of combination,p e fer
six
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instead ofco corn
practice of fictitious sales. He remembered an occasion,
had been raised, in the coo-se of a very short tinae, to
one.
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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER should
certainly persevere in pressing the resolution as it stood.
Mr- BARING should therefore suggest four weeks, as
answering the object of security better.
Mr. LITTLETON concurred in this opinion.
Mr. W. WHITMORE came to the conclusion that a
weekly average was the moat convenient and safe course.
Sir J. NEWPORT should support the suggestion for
taking the averages every four weeks.
Mr. C. GRANT said, that there was suffieiuntreason
in the diversity of opinicn which seemed to exist in the
Committee to justify the House in not hastily adopting any
of the proposed alterations. Hs thought, however, for his
own part, that were he a capitalist, and disposed to com-
bine for a fraudulentgeirleevahtiinoln ofofrthlaeypinrigceodl,ol Ivienwhoigulpdlapnreafenia.,
fwouitrh,ttheaeltcsobljireocutlidn view, the time and opportunity which
taking his measures. But he did not know but that a
mode of still further security might be introduced into the
Bill. He did not know that the receiver might not be
properly armed with a power to reject any thing that might
be presented to him of unusual magnitude. He did not
know, also, that someimprovement might not take place in
the mode of combining the country with the London aver-
age; at present the London average waited upon that of
the country ; but he doubted if it would not be more de-
sirable that both averages should be united.
Mr. BARING contended again, that to take the average
by the period of every four weeks would be the most de-
sirable mode.
Mr. CURIE'S was favourable to the suggestion for
extending the period to three or four
Sir J. WROTTESLEY supported the opinion in favour
of the smaller. period.
Mr. IRVING said that the assertions so often repeated
respecting the practicability of fictitious sales were alto-
gether exaggerated. However, lest there might be any
fnlindation fur sneh apprehension., he begged to soma

thiat it was in the power of the Committee to make pens'
the practices to which their attention had been so much
directed.
Mr. WARBURTON was not sure that the dispositions
to commit fraud was altogether on the side of the dealers»,
and that the allegation might not fairly extend to the fanner..
It should be remembered that in the country the sales toad
place by samples, and bargains in that way were not bind-.
ing; whereas in London the sale by ticket was binding in.
case the purchaser chose to enforce the sale. The former
mode was undoubtedly open to many fraudulent practices.
Sir E. KNATCIIBUIL warmly defended the farmers
from the imputation cast on them by the Hoe. Member
who had just sat down.
Mr. N. CALVERT said that if the farmer were die,-
posed to cheat (which he certainly was not), it was totally
out of his power to do so.
Mr. C. BAR.CLAY said that the best security against
the commission of fraud in the market, after all, was the
fact that there existed no inducement to lead to it.
After a few words from Lord Althorp, Mr. Curteis, and
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the House resumed, the.
Report was brought up, and ordered to be taken into con-
sideration to-morrow.
The House then, upon the motion of the CHANCEL-
LOR of the EXCHEQUER, resolved itself into a Ciunr
rnittee of Ways and Means.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought
up an Account of the Debt due from the East India Com-
pany to the country, which lie moved should be referred
to the Committee. The Right Hon. Gent also moved
That the sum of 60,0001. paid by the East India Com-
pany for expences incurred in the support of troops, ships,
&c. in India, pursuant to the 4 Geo. IV., be paid into
the Exchequer.
That a sum of 1,155,0001. paid over by the Trustees of
Naval and Military Pensions, and of Civil Superannua-
tions, be also paid into the Exchequer.—Ordered.
' This sum, the Right Hon. Gentleman explained, ayeied
to the last year, and a quarter over.
The House resumed.—Report to-morrow.
Sir ALEXANDER GRANT brought up the Report ots
the Annual Duties Bill.—Laid on the table.—Bill to be
read a third time to-morrow.

On the question of postponing the Committee on the
Postage Duties Bill,
Mr. HUME complained of the undtr• preference show',
by the letter-carriers in deliiering letters to those who were
able to pay the grist money (a guinea a-year), so early as to)
or half-past ten in the morning, whilst those who were not
able or disposed to give in to that arrangement, did not re-
eeive their letters till 12 or half-past 12 o'clock. This woo
an abuse of the office, which ought to be remedied.
Mr. HERRIES was unwilling now to enter into aol
explanations, but in the Committee would answer all quee-
tic:am—Postponed to Monday nest.