The Sun.
London, England, 1842-06-08 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON. WEDNESDAIL EVENING, JUNE 8, 1842.

Mr. ' \TER apiroved of theproposed measure, but denied
4 :at in 1! boys of a tender age were employed in degrad-
ingo; and sieVkii work.
Mr. ST G. \ 10. l' 6i," I.II'LEY cordially assented to the pro-
position of his NubL 1...,-:eod, and promised him his steady co-
operation.
Mr. WARD congratulated the Noble Lord upon having
done the most useful thing that had been effected in the pre-
sent session.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had accom-
plished what he had been striving for, through 28 years, and
had released his countrymen from worse than Egyptian
bondage—( Hear, hear)—and he assured the Noble Lord that
he had not in the House one more cordially disposed to co-
operate with him than he was.
Mr. BELL concurred in all the eulogy that had been passed
upon the Noble Lord, and could bear testimony to the truth
of the statement, that in Cumberland and Durham females
were not employed in the mines.
Mr. BROTHERTON thought that the country owed a
great debt of gratitude to the Noble Lot(' for having. in the
first place. obtained an inquiry into the practices of the coal
miners, and then proposing a measure that would put an end
to those evils.—(Hear.) It was astonishing that they should
have been allowed to exit in this country.—(Hear, hear.)
Seeing that great cruelties had been practised, it was desir
able that they should be put an end to. What had been said
of Durham and Northumberland had convinced him that it was
quite unnecessary to employ females in mines. Considering
the wealth the mines yielded to the owners, he thought they
ought to pay more attention to the education of the persons
they employed. He had heard that in Lancashire not fewer
than 3,000 females were employed, and that there was a very
low standard of morality amongst them. This sort of work was
unsuited to the female character ; it unsuited them for domestic
duties, and had a demoralizing effect on them and on their chil-
dren. He should, therefore, give his hearty assent to the mo-
tion of the Noble Lord to bring in this Bill.
Mr. PAKINGTON could not allow that discussion to
close without addressing a few words to the House upon the
most interesting subject then under discussion. He did not
mean to detain the House by making any allusions to those
details which the able speech of his Noble Friend the Member
for Dorsetshire had so faithfully described. He felt it neces-
sary to advert to those details, because he was delighted to find
the impression made on the House, and the unanimous feeling
which those details had occasioned in that House, that it was
absolutely necessary that some legislative measure should be
taken to put an end to the evils described by the Noble Lord.
His (Mr. Pakingt- n's) object in rising was to express the
warmth of his feelings, and the deep admiration of the course
his Noble Friend had taken on this subject. He (Mr.
Pakington) had no hesitation in saying that the
whole course taken on this subject was one which did the
Noble Lord infinite honour, as a friend to suffering
humanity, and a benefactor to these suff ,rino people. He
thought the House would feel that the Noble Lord had secured
to himself a name and reputation more poweiful than rank and
wealth could give.—(Cheers.) He (Mr. Pakington) had also
heard with great pleasure and satisfaction the speech of the
Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary for the Home Depart-
ment. He must say that after the satisfaction he felt at the
Noble Lord the Member for Dorset, he did not know any thing
that had given him more satisfaction, and the House and the
country must be grateful to the Right Hon. Gentleman and her
Majesty's Government in giving this measure their support ;
and he did hope, under these circumstances, even at that late
period of the Session, and with still important business before
the House, that the Noble Lord would be enabled to carry this
measure during the present session.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. GIBSON rose for the purpose of correcting a misappre-
hension that might arise from a statement in the speech of the
Noble Lord, of some statistics relating to prostitution in the
manufacturing districts. He thought the account was exagge-
rated, for, he believed, that they would find as much demorali-
sation in this town as in the manufacturing districts. Much of
the demoralised state of the manufacturing districts arose from
the depressed state of trade.
Mr. PROTHEROE begged to assure the Noble Lord that
his efforts were watched with great anxiety by the district
which he represented. He would take that opportunity of ex-
pressing his gratitude to the Noble Lord for having sent a Com-
mission to inquire into the part with swhich he was connected.
The people in the Forest of Dean had reason to bless the Noble
Lord fur his exertions.
Lord ASHLEY said it was almost unnecessary for him to
reply to what had been said. He must express the sincere
gratitude he felt to the House for having so taken up the ques-
tion. He felt that the House would obtain great honour with
the country, as they had no sooner discovered the enormous
evils which existed than they attempted to remove them.;
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
WITNESSES INDEMNITY BILL.
Mr. ROEBUCK wished to ask a question of the Government
with respect to a Bill he had introduced. The writ for Notting-
ham had been suspended until this Bill was passed, and he only
wanted to know when the further discussion upon this Bill
would be taken. He had been in that House night after night
till a late hour, expecting this Bill to come on.
Lord STANLEY, who spoke with his back to the gallery,
and in so low a tone of voice as to be scarcely audible, said that
the subject was one of great importance ; although his Right
Hon. Friend, the First Lord of the Treasury, was unavoidably
absent, he thought he might undertake to say, on the part of
his Right Hon. Friend, that they would go on with the discus.
sion at five o'clock on Friday (as we understood).
Mr. ATTWOOD wished 'o know if the duty on timber
would be reduced, imported into the Isle of Man?
Mr. GLADSTONE said this was a question which did not
come under the consideration of the tariff; but no change uas
contemplated with respect to the Isle of Man—that would be a
separate considerati,n.

ten, ded to introduce into the Bill, he trusted that
it House would feel as indignant with respect to
he did ; lie to the case of apprentices
• to colliers. Thrt system was carried era in Serail De-
- vlii onshire, Yorkshire, Lancsshire, and the west of Scotland.
those place; many of the colliers took three or four hay;
from the parish, and they supported themselves and their. fa-
• taffies by their labour, doing no work themselves. These poet•
tads were often doomed to 12 or 14 years of such slavery, and
the treatment they received was awful to contemplate. Now,
s!as such a systern necessary ? What was there to learn that
tequired so long an apprenticeship? Absolutely nothing but
that might be learnt in 10 or l 2 days. Then, again, look at
. • the treatment they received. The men would send these boys
. • !l'here they would not go themselves ; the consequence was that
Ilene, had their limbs broken, and others lost their lives. One
•• y
Irons Was brought before a surgeon to be examined ; he had
• Lis 24 to 2d wounds; his back and loins were beaten to jell ;
Vs arm wasbroken beosv the elbow, and seemed to have been so
for some time. When brought before a Magistrate he was unable
.• to sit nr stand. His arm had never been set, and he was obliged
lora for several weeks in that state. It was admitted by the
aa s Master that he was in the habit of beating the boy with a
t Piece of woocl, having a nail driven into it, and which pro-
.lected about half an inch. This it was which produced the
• 1,1.0°414 mentioned. But was that enough. ? No. . The
• then had been starved for want of food. He was
• Ira sent home in a cart with his mother, a poor widow
24 at Rochdale. Well might the people of Staffordshire
,-1.7 that slavery was preferable to this—( Hear, hear)— for
negroes at leaet worked in open day, and had some one to
to_ °ln they could communicate their sufferings. Now he asked
lautether it was right that any man, or body of men, or legis-
efhtes should inflict such evils as these? These people had corn-
lerlttea no
crime whatever, or if they had he hardly knew of any
e„cae that ought to be so punished.—( Cheers. ) He had been
-se:. the
new prisn at Pentonville that day, and what did he
this esete ? He nevoer saw such preparations as were made for
•4 who were doomed to imprisonment--such care of the
• tfi)4hents—the ventilation looked to and every care taken for
e,?!'e who had broken the laws of the land. Yet these poor
these
s wuose only crime was poverty, were sent to work in
• falliLintines•—(Hear, hear)—there to be subjected to an in-
•he ot' course of ignorance and vice—for ignorant they must
the as" they were not allowed one hour for improvement. If'
•
.1t 1,721" e was xious thee the New Poor-law—whethe •
etire
7 unvrise oanr not would not say—surely it was wise to
lea some relaxation to those who were employed in the
shealter he bad described. He should therefore propose not
;:13' at apprenticeship should be abolished, but that every
,01,aoture in existence should be cance/led—( Loud cheers)-
-i: let the oppressedo free.—( Loud cheers.) He would not
• lotVetain the House; he felt he had asreatly trespassed too
in °,--",.(Gheers);—but the House knew how he had laboured
atecia cauae.—(Continued cheering ) He would not
taaw needless and erroneous it was to employ women in
betaSearal manner. But the occupation itself might still
_peel:antlered more happy and comfortable. The course he had
...••ssuen
, egrets -as part of a plan conceived some time since for the
.liosti citation of the working classes. There were other re-
ireessat.tat would succeed, that would exhibit deeper and more
lir,tf„Pg views of this system. He had endeavoured on be-
: iiisse;„: the children to avert the mischief that was attendant
stelae's, Ile had no intention to interfere between master and
tr
4,t WAS easy to ascertain territorial statistics, but it was
Ile Ce 7 difficult to obtain the moral eta' istics of the people.
el
rt of the police in Maiichester made up to the
they
cou °fetile Y
lid ear 1841, and drawn up at, grew lsngth, by which
eof the children of the working opulation.
Pte
kleNoble Lord p
then readthe statement.) In the year ending
bir,4ltMers 1840, there were ersofined in the county gaol of
•-•hr '.134 40 prisoners, of Whom 60 were imprisoned for
assne
' 9 some small item of the law. /int he thought
ssofnursossible to infer from this what was the state
lee_ collieries in that district. That would be much better
lee from the casual evidence of the mistress of an infant
re,„ 91_1, Who stated that oaths were exceedingly common in the
saZtos of girls of five and six years old, and that if she IKe-
liar4B, to scold them they called her the mot opprobiious
ie th'c and that their parents frequently abused her fur punish-
g
)e •
.He had been too long conversant with the work] es
• I, eees
the y.of this country to apprehend any violence
.from them a
but if such an evil were allowed to remain unchecked,
tity fay might arrive when there would be some special neces-
▪ er the exercise of national virtue, and it would then be
tint th p
at at the strenth ofe emire was frustrated becuse
. ,47fatal disorder would then have reached its} height. Hea be-
.l7l.lred that the people of this country were the most easily go-
of th dof any nation on the face of the earth. If the Minister
theireheeuntry.-would only win their confidence by appealing to
be 04 !arts, he would have no difficulty in ruling them. That
• • 41,,if?aght was abundantly shown by the patient conduct they
•es toested snider their present distress.—( Hear.) His object
bites noble the poor colliers to avail themselves of opportu•
oete. of virtue and morality. It was barbarism such as he had
etor",,iled that he wished to reclaim. He would conclude in the
tea'
of Holy Writ—" Let us break off our sins by righteous-
•tee'eand our iniquities by showing mercy to the poor, that it
• huts a lightening for our tranquillity."
the 'tIAULE seconded the motion. The benevolence of
'Noe ND
Lord was highly commendable, and he trusted that,
it.
hands, • measure would prosper in
his aid of the House, the
The
—el SPEAKER having put the question,
oeir• LA MBTON could not but express his gratitude to the
set,2•He Lord, for proposing legislation on this subject. It was
spithe many proofs which the Noble Lori had given of his
enety to benefit the poor. He belicved, in the counties of
tlenberland and Durham, the ages were nine and tea
ee,t
; they commenced work, and the exception was seven or
t• le whole root of the evil was to be found in the . Ndity 'I
the parent, and his blind ignorance. That wascu-
an
'4:11, Portant truth, and he found a remarkable illustration of it in
lee county he had the honour to represent. In the Lambton
series there were three large schools, where an able master
*as employed, and one of which he looked over himself. But
e'aillat could be done, when the parent took away the child at a
qtyy early
.age If they passed a law to prevent children from
ilyorking so young, they would do much to benefit the colliery
itopulition of the country. Education was thegrand means by
lith„ ich they could reach the root of the present system,
'sai t they must take care how they legislated on such a subject.
ge bodies of men would be affected by their legislation, and
?,:aey ought therefore to proceed cautiously and prudently.
ZeTere was some slight exaggeration with regard to the species
work with which children commenced in the collieries of
Zilarn and Northumberland. ' The nature of the work they
}need with was of a very easy character; and the Noble
ie.oseightly exaggerated in the statement he made witwithh regarre-
d
4:t collieries. There had been an exaggeration
iste,• to the effects on the health of the pitmen, and the bring-
of premature old age; and, as a proof of that, he had
lins-eltnent from Mr. Hardcastle, who said that he considered
bean
to be a healthy race; and with respect to prema-
eleirl ate taking place at forty, he had the statement of the
'oesl ,alkalat of a large proprietor: of mines, who said that they
larsteZteral men in their mines who ranged from sixty so
ItittiB:tjears of age. Thanking the House for the patience
e'e'etah, they had heard him, he would conclude by hoping
I,•aelinliCe'ltjesty's Government would take care, in this Bill,
e.e.'hianitig the age, that, while they attended to the feelings of
Cells •reYs they would also bear in mind that they were dealing
nkd'arnense interests and, with respect to the labourer, he
L'atty, ;.,"el would recAlect that his labour was his own pro-
th o that they ought to be careful how they interfered
etord-
aNid IePe'ese,GERTON would be sorry to say any thing that
ethse_so'llen the present debate, but he could not refrain
Ore.--"un, log his best thanks to his Noble Friend for the
1,1 t,:e.ue had introduced, as he felt convinced that it would
74aesk, etlllllf,r,o_v_Fmoral.,,socialean.d ious condition of the
441;?:af.4etegeistuluswtiarn it applied. lie consnigered the assistance of
•twt.
_alure.in such a matter most valuable and essential.
Important parts of the Noble Lord's Hill were
01 the children employed, and the employment of
t tii In a moral point of view, he considered it a most
Oje„ii ng fer females to work in mines. His Noble Friend
op call for the interference of the Legislature; and on
.thoseinterested in the question, he returned his
snee na
int nd his most grateful thanks.—(Cneers. ) There
koh,Po_ , however, on which he did not quite agree with
-tnei ;_,Priencl, and that was, as to the age at which children
I,2tate: Permitted to go into the mines. A benevolent
tCsmt of "1 with whom he (Lord F. Egerton) had been in the
sse'tta, e°nsulting on this subject; had given it as his opinion
1;7 for tee
bend in the back and hands which was neces.
ue Miners to carry on the labour of the pit, could not
is „red if the initiative of it had been delayed beyond 12
!lat4ge• There was but one year difference between
1.. that question might be easily arranged hereafter.
•.,7„ad htl,• AIE had seldom listened to a statement which had
‘,lB •fli at the same
ar, greater pain and greater satisfaction.
eles7lstiee ear.) The House as far as he could psrceive, was
se;7t oerhi,ll the desire to co-operate with the Noble Lord to
his „I! benevolent designs. It was painful to reflect.
lit' tee,'n'tigs should not have been brought to light until
aratalll;" while thousands, and tens of thousands, were ex-
?eviating distress abroad, there should be so mueh
tsZathiee""oes unheeded and uncared for. There must be
tee!Pe ^Ytrong in the nature of our Government, which could
etioPthintted such scenes to go on so long. It was a great
47ty for °ll those who received yearly such large sums of
asetleeeo ;usPerintending the moral and religious instruction
Vartit'a. He did not think the Neble Lord had at all
li eseleetleof. exaggeration; on the contrary, the Noble. Lord
2Sselaopee,_ ',eh's cases with great judgment and discrimination.
ilte,""a lese.•tfie, Government would give its best assistance to the
tae tesjeet "n order to enable him to accomplish his benevo-
k_a es • Ile approved of the proposal of the Noble Lord,
L11Ne"o) hits entirely free from the objections which he (Mr.
1.1-was4e4efialt te certain other proposals of the Noble Lord,
s ,nterference between the master and the work-
ty,taet hotgather from what had fallen from the Noble
xtz.set
of
,rit was
any part of his plan to compel the adopting a
kitett% of the He thought that such ought to iorm a
prey!!tan. It was as much a duty of the Govern-
e for time
education of the people as for then
Neeettreal • uch an important point ought not to be le!r.
tk-"l',bBii and chance attention of individuals. No foreigner
- -Tle that suchscenes could exist in a civilized
laf-'`%h .• '"e Noble Lord was entitled to great cre&+ for the
41,1'. HZ which he had brought forward the subject, and he
.4.:4;7) Would be happy to afford him every assistance in
t%?l'e.j' ato ORA ir
AII was delighted but not surprised at the
titl h,,,"tr feeling with which the statement of his Noble
I,4tdd, ••••14,4°e_en• received by the House. Those feelings must
laate" twee that reason perverted, which were not touched
1 the argument, the singleness of purpose,. the
▪ ei,""ed fe, ul
•3‘„s, and above all by the tenderness of nature,
aett"arer i'nesPeech of his Noble Friend.—(Cheers.) He
L, .6 istened to any statement in that House which had
-`a Nnßlit
het Perfect, forward in a clearer manner.—( Cheers. ) It
tisaWhieh Yhtatisfied him of that which he had known before,
tor4'ller of had never before felt so forcibly, the amiable
Item Work Pis Noble Friend He was sure that the Noble
4134 jor theleel the general assent of the House to be a re.:
Nee "at with airy sacrifices which he had made. He was
Nei he t!. respect to the objects of his Noble Friend there
itlltesai7 difference of opinion.—( Hear.) He thought it
ki„e,h,,wet neees'arY that the practice which prevailed
the stem,
.o::lto;:sether excluding females faom working in •teelianheraet:rb carted into general effect. It was degrading to
4oeit of the of the country, and derogatory to the manly
Nr'al
.kiee. P7?,n,le, that females should be employed in work
lote'slared fleers• Upon this all were agreed. He
'Ss atid the HIS Noble Friend, and he congratulated the
(5(4
et),f 01injoanountryz that on such a point there was no differ-
isorrp, .(Cheers. ) he next provision of the
re Sten , Bill referred to the employment of boys. In
ska,,ei Jo.le sees not to employ
kii.•°Yeel '‘uble Friend , boys wider twelve years
e at, a under thirt • proensed that they should not be
k aith thirteens years of age. That was a disputed
lee %gist t ?nth he ( Sir .1. Graham) thought that great
1;44 0102 hue taken not to interfere with the parental con-
eght"tr,atlls. still he agreed with his Noble Friend, that
,441;d1itnoits to tare years of age at which children
tr Ocular. kinds of work, end he give
'el assent
1,1'1,1144;k Hear, hear.) eA ptrinciple of the
.measure in this
o the third provision, the sups:r-
set Noble °f the naachinery, he also concurred entirely with
‘,4
which
a_ tne em
Friend.
erene te e agreed st oh him also in the fourth
ployment of pauper apprentices, and in
Itillie4ll.oettlsmit"eenae ha ad had the honour to lay before the House he
,!!rqte to
in,
.o.proyrs,on to restrict Unions from binding
iNneeiesioial trades.--( Hear, hear.) The Reports of
!isle% the
porters had shown that it was necessary to t
a grew Period of . , .
..ary pu
el:anial.oh, it was necessary to put a limit to the exist-
•B) 0 . apprenticesnip, and, in his (Sir James titlesPljtatiti
sanqduitt.ef
tshu,recotuttrythaet
te, al ap iPs.—( Hear. )
s wo 1 robation of all around him, Low
ke."- h uld reward his Noble Friend for ti's exerti
as e ear.) Th
011 S—
. e. measure could not be in better hands,
•-' have his cordial support.—( Hear, hear.)

THE TARIFF.
The House then resolved itself into Committee on the Cus-
toms Act.
On the clause regulating the duty on boots and shoes being
proposed,
151 r. PALMER said that as he had presented many
petitions on this subject he wished to say a few words.
He believed that every person engaged in the manufacture of
boots and shoes was in very indigent circumstances, and if Hon.
Gentlemen in that House would be as energetic in upholding
the cause of their poorer brethren as they were in protecting
their own interest, he believed that he should in this case have
as good a majority against her Majesty's Government as there
was the other night against the motion of Hoe Right Hun.
Member for Bath. He must say that he did not think her
Majesty's Government had done enough for the people, not-
withstanding what the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the
Ministry had said about his desire to give employment to the
poorer classes.--( Hear, hear.) He was afraid the Bight Hon.
Gentleman the s ice-President of the Board of Trade would
not assist him. Might he hope that anything would be done
towards giving increased protection to the manufacturers of
boots and shoes by lion. Members in that House ? He begged
to move that the duty on ladies' boots and shoes, which was
formerly U. 10s. per dozen, now 125., should be increased
to 1/.
Mr. WARD would support the tariff in this point, because
he believed it would extend trade and open new channels for
commerce.
Mr. LAWSON said that there were upwards of 30,000
working shoemakers in London alone; and if foreign boots
and shoes were to be admitted at a reduced rate of duty, those
men would be thrown out of employment ; and he should like
to know what advantage would arise to the public which
might compensate those men for the loss they sustained? He
thought the case of the working shoemakers deserved the atten-
tion of the House, and he hoped this part of the tariff would
be reconsidered.
Mr. B. WOOD believed that there were but few parties in
this country who were so poorly off as the makers of boots and
shoes. He did not mean the shopkeeper, but the actual
manufacturer.--( Hear, hear.) The tax about to be imposed
was Is. per pair, instead of 2s. 6d. Now he believed that the
whole of that difference would be taken from the pocket of
the labouring man ; and he must say that he thought the
Right Hon. Gentleman had dealt more hardly with this class
of men than with any other. He could assure the Right Hon.
Gentleman that there was no class of persons in greater distre,s
than they were; and he did hope the Right Hon. Gent. would
consider the proposition of the Hon. Member for Essex.
Mr. GLADSTONE thought that no grounds had been
made out to sanction any departure from the proposed altera-
tion of the duty on this article. It should be remembered that
we were at present great exporters of boots and shoots, we
could already make them at as cheap a rate as any ether
country in the world, and by lowering the duty upon the ma-
nufactured article, he conceived that he was conferring a great
boon upon the trade, inasmuch as greater facilities would be
afforded to exportation.
Mr. COBDEN thought the House should have commenced
the application of the principles of free trade with the great
article of corn.
Mr. S. WORTLEY said that the protection to home-
grown corn had been diminished, as well as the protection to
other articles.
Mr. COBDEN said that the Right Hon. Baronet at the head
of the Government admitted that corn and sugar were two
articles practically excluded from the operation of the prin-
ciples of free trade.
Mr. WILLIAMS was decidedly of opinion that the House
should have begun by diminishing the duties upon corn and
sugar.
Captain PECHELL supported the amendment.
Mr. B. WOOD complained that many of the reductions in
the tariff would fall with peculiar severity upon the poor
labourer.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he
believed the proposed alteration would be favourable to the
tradesman in this country. The present duty upon foreign
hoots and leather was so high, that it was evaded to a great
extent and became practically inoperative. He deprecated the
discussion of other articles than the one under discussion.
Mr. COBDEN said that it was not the fault of free traders
on this side of the House that the Government had commenced
by making an exception with regard to earn, but as long as they
did make these exceptions with regard to different articles they
must expect to hear of them ; and, is far as corn was concerned,
he hoped the Ministry would continue to hear of it till the mo •
mint of their political death.—( Hear, hear. )
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
wirtri he was addressing the Committee lie merely confined
himself to the question before it.—( Hear, hear. )
The Committee then divided, and the numbers were—
For Mr. Palmer's amendment
Against it
Majority against the amendment -112
The item was then agreed to, as were the remaining items of
the tariff, as far as the articles of cotton mannfacture. On this
item,
Mr. MILNER GIBSON wished to know or, what principle
the Government proposed to levy a duty of 10 per cent., on ar-
ticles of cotton manufacture ? The cotton manufacturers did not
ask for protection, but only to be allowed to exchange their
produce freely with the corn and other commodities of other
countries.
Mr. GLADSTONE said he had never supposed that the
cotton manufacture had been raised to its present state by
means of protection. It was similar to the case of the iron
trade. The iron trade had no more been raised to its present
state by protective duties than the cotton trade ; but there were
certain branches of the iron trade to which a moderate protec-
tive duty was of some importance. There was no trade which
had less reason to tear foreign competition than the cotton
trade; vet there were certain cases in which protection was
thought necessary as a security against the effects of foreign
competition, and he hoped the Committee would not refuse
that protection in this case, in order to prevent certain agri-
cultural gentlemen from using it as an argument against re-
pealire, the Corn-laws.
Dr.ehOWRING supported the Government proposition.
Mr. M. GIBSON said lie hoped if they retained the duty
on cotton, it would not be made a pretext for retaining the du-
ties on agricultural produce.
Mr. COBDEN said that the whole question was whether the
cotton manufacturers were or were not benefited by this nomi-
nal protection. If it could be shown that they had no protec-
tion, he trusted that Hon. Members opposite would be willing
to withdraw their claim to protection for articles of agricultural
produce.—k Hear, hear.) He contended that the cotton ma-
nufacturers had, in fact, no protection whatever ; on the con-
trary, that they were placed under the gieatest disadvantages in
competing with the foreign manufacturers.
Lord SANDON said he could not admit that the state-
ment of the Hon. Member was correct; if all cottons were of the
same quality, it would be perfectly true.
Dr. BOWRING said that at the first meeting of the Anti-
Corn-law delegates a resolution had been passed to the effect
that, while they required free trade in corn and provisions. they
were willing to give up protection on every articie contained
in the tariff.
Mr. M. ATT WOOD, in support of the Government pro-
position, quoted the words of Mr. Huskissan, who in 1825 stated
that the then duties on manufactured e.tton imported were Si.

per cent-. on certain descriptions, 671. 10s. per cent. on others,
and 591. per cent, upon a third description. That was the ex-
tent of the protection on cotton up to the year 1825, whin ice
(Mr. Huelesson) proposed that, instead of that graduated but
mons!rous scale, all fie-eign manufactured coiton sould be ad-
rei!if'd at 10 per cent.
Mr. BROCKLEHURST was very much astonished at the
Noble Lord opposite (Lord Sandon) calling him a free-trader.
lie deprecated the present system adopted with respect to the
tariff, and he hoped the time was not far distant when the
Legislature would return to the sound principles of protection.
Viscount SANDON excused himself fur considering
the Hon. Gentleman a free trader. lie was glad, however,
that his obsrvations had called forth from the Hon. Gentleman
an avowal before the House of his opinions.
• Mr. MANGLES said he did not think it right that the ex-
ports from India should be subject to a duty more than five
per cent., while the exports from England were liable to only a
duty of two and a half per cent. The exports from India had
decreased 1,300,000/. between the years 1814 and 1E37, and
appealed to the Government whether it was fair, after destroying
the manufactures of India by their competition with them, to
charge a double amount of duty on the few manufactures which
remained. He shculd therefore propose that the duties should
Le made equal.
- After a few words from Mr. G. PALMER which were in-
audible in consequence of loud cries of " Divide,"
Mr. COBDEN said, if they had an importation it was
chiefly of printed calicos and mousseline-de-laines, the very
articles in which his manufacturers were employed. He did
not send any abroad, but his dependence was on the home
market, and he was notwithstanding an advocate for the itn-
portation of French goods, duty free—( Hear)—because the)
were a model for imitation. '1 hey were not to be put on short
allowance because peoltle abroad did not like the silks of the
Hon. Member for Macclesfield. Let the silks be improved,
and they would then be bought.—(Laughter.) But it seemed
the people of Macclesfield were not agreed themselves, because
they sent two gentlemen of different opinions to that House.
Mr. GRIMSDITCH said that the people of Macclesfield
were quite agreed as to the injurious effects of free trade,
which would ruin the country if carried into operation to their
full extent. He hoped the Government would not be led
away by such erroneous principles.—(Hear and laughter.)
Mr. FEHRAND must protest against the Hon. Member
for Belton being considered an authority upon the question of
free trade, for he had been informed by two Swiss gentlemen,
that when the Hon. Gentleman was in that country, he would
net receive the evidence of those who were opposed to his
principles.—(" Hear, hear, and considerable confusion.) He
must also protest against it being supposed that the Corn-law
League were the representatives of the manufacturers of the
country.—("Hear, hear," and increased confusion.)
Dr. BO WRING rose, with some warmth, to refute the
statement that had been made by the Hon. Member for
Knaresborough. He had asserted that he (Dr. Bowring) had
either stii,pressed, or refused to receive, certain evidence ; he
therefore called upon him to state the authority upon which
lie asserted that he had suppressed what was true, or intro-
duced what was false.—(Cries of " Hear," end confusion )
Mr. FERRAND would not name his authority He had
never stated that thellon. Member had suppressed tee evidence,
and what he stated was, that the Hon. Member had refused
to receive evidence except it coincided with his views.—( Great
confusion )
Mr. M ANGLES then moved that the duty of 5 per cent.
on Indian manufactures should be reduced to 3fr per cent.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but nu division took
place, and on our re-admission to the gallery we found the
House in considerable confusion, and cries of " Name, name,"
resounding from the Opposition side.
Mr. FERR AND, with considerable warmth, said he would
not name. He was prepared to stand by his assertion, and
would not retract a word of what he had states. He hart
brought no charge against the character of the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.") He had heard
it from the Mayer of a Swedish town, at whose table the Hon.
Member for Bolton had sat, that he was more inclined to take
the evidence of manufacturers in favour of his views than those
opposed to him.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord HO WICK could not help expressing his astonishment
at the statement of the Hon. Member, that he had brought no
charge against the Hon. Member for Bolton. Why the fact
was, that he had told the House that the Hon. Member,
being in a responsible situation, and charged to collect evidence,
had suppressed deliberately some parts of that evidence.
Mr. FE RRAN D—l did not say so.
Lord HO WICK would give the Hon. Member the benefit
of the mistake ; but in doing so he would ask what distinction
there was between refusing to receive evidence and suppressing
it ? He would ask the House whether, from what had passed,
the Hon. Member had not made a charge against the Hon.
Member for Bolton of having refused to take evidence ?
Mr. FERRAN D—l did not say so.
Lord HOWICK—Tho House had heard what had passed,
and he would appeal to the recollection of the House as to
what had taken place in the debate on that night.—(Cheers.)
The Hon. Member, it appeared, thought that in making a
statement of the kind, he was not making a personal charge
against the Hon, Member for Bolton. He (Lord Howick) had
a different opinion as to what was the duty of a perstm sent out
for the purpose of collecting evidence. The lion. Member
might think that the conduct which he had imputed to the
Hon. Member for Bolton was perfectly allowable, and conveyed
no perso at imputation. If that was the opinion of the Hon.
Member for Knaresborough as to what was allowable to persons
advocating particulat opinions there, when that Hon. Member
wished his (Mr. Ferrand's) statement to he taken, he must
furnish most minute particulars, in order to test their accuracy.
—( Loud cheers.) That Honourable Member considered that
it was no charge against the Honourable Member for Bolton
that he had refused to take evidence against himself. If that
was the Hon. Member's notion of what was the fair way of
taking evidence, when he told the House the result of his in-
quiries they should recollect the principle upon which it was
fair to take evidence.—(Loud cheers.) The lion. Member
had chosen to allude to him ( Lord H.) as one of the M mbers
who had called upon him to name the authority upon which he
had made such a grave charge against the Hon. Member for
Bolton. He certainly had called out " Name," and he would now
say, if the Hon. Member were pleased to make charges of that
kind in that House. it was his duty to give up the mem of his
informant.—(Loud cheers.) Hon. Members ought either
to abstain from making charges of this sort, or be
prepared to substantiate their statements.—(Loud cheers. )
No man, when called upon to substantiate a statement of that
sort, had any right to turn round and sly—Will you believe
me? He was bound to believe that every gentleman stated
that which he believed to be true ; but he would tell the lion

Gentleman (Mr. Ferrand) that he had not that confidence in
his ju,!gment to rely implicitly upon its accuracy.—(Loud
cheers. ) All he desired was, to see justice done to the
Hon. Member for Bolton ; and that could not be done unless
the party, on whose authority the statement was made, was
mentioned, and also the time and place where the circumstanues
were alleged to have occurred, so as to give. the Honour-
able Member for Bolton a means of contradicting it.
Vague assertions of that sort ought not be re-
cei-ed, unless means were given to test the accuracy
of the statement.—( Cheers.) He felt this necessity the more
strongly, because this was not the first time that the Hon.
Member had made vague charges, which he had afterwards

shrunk from substantiating.—(lmmense cheers from the Op-
position, and cries of " Name, name," from Mr. Ferrand. )
The Hon. Member was perfectly aware of the circumstance to
which he alluded, which had occurred a few evenings since,

when the Honourable Member had thought proper to make
vague charges, which he had never put in such a shape
as to enable the parties to repel them. (Cries of
'• Name, name," anti " Order, order.'') The Hon. Member
might think it very witty to call " Name. name ;" but the
complaint was, that the Hon. Member's charge was so vague
and applied to so large a class, that it was impossible to name
the persons to whom they did allude.—(Cries of " Name,"
from Mr. Ferrand.) He named the Hon. Member himself as
the person bringing those vague and unsubstantiated charges,
and he would give the charges brought against the Anti-Corn-
law League as an instance: Every charge brought orward in
that House ought to be brought forward in such a manner a.,
to enable the parties charged to repel it. This practice of
bringing forward vague charges ought not to he encouraged by
the Hose—(Loud cheers)—and he would never be deterred
by any notice the Hon. Gentleman might think fit to take of
him, of expressing his opinion of the extreme and gross im-
propriety of Hon. Members- bringing forward charges which
could neither be properly substantiated nor repelled.

. _
Lord STANLEY trusted that the House would feel with
him that this discussion was at once profitless and painful.—
( Hear, hear.) It had originated iR an expression casually
dropped by the Hon. Member for Knaresborough. (Cries of
No, no.") The Honourable Member for Knaresborough
had stated that he begged that it might not
be supposed that the Honourable Gentleman opposite
could be taken as an authority on certain opinions, because he
had heard casually during his traveh in Switzerland, that the
Hon. .Member for Bolton had listened to evidence on one side

Mr. HUME thought it would be better to adjourn the debate
on account of the very personal discussion that had taken place,
and which was likely to last that night, and that the admission
of Indian produce into England in the same manner as English
productions were admitted into India, ought to be further con-
sidered.

After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER and 111 r. MANGLES, strangers were ordered to withdraw,
but no divisiontook pace, and on the gallery being again opened,
we found

more readily than on the other.—(Opirsition cries of " Re-
fwed to take evidence.") He would admit this, that the
statement of the Hon. Member did convey against the Hon.
k;entleman opposite a charge in his public capacity which the
Hon. Gentleman was certainly called upon to meet.—( Loud
cheers.) But the Honourable Member for Knaresborough
did not bring forward the charge upon his own knowledge,
he stated that he had heard so in Switzerland ; and the Hon.

Mr. COBDEN speaking. He said that the forms of the
House, as he understood them, put it in the power of the
minority to protect themselves and the public against such
interruptions. He hoped what he stated might go forth
to the public, that the country might be made aware
of the system pursued. From his own experience, as a
young Member of that House, he found that, from half-past
four o'clock till half-past five, Hon. Members were dropping
into the House, when personal questions, relating to personal
matters, might be going on, and from that time till half-past
seven there were shouts for divisions, and interruptions of any
discussions till eight. Then Hon. Members began to disappear
from the House, and they were left with only forty or fifty
Members to discuss the most important questions till ten or
eleven at which hours Hon. Members came pouring in, in
their white cravats and white waistcoats, and, anxious to return
to their concerts and parties, and from that time till a late
hour there were the same shouts and interruptions going on.
blicltadvantage.
Now, if these interruptions continued, he was determined, if
six Members on this side would act with him, he would avail
4.f
the tariff.
himself of all the forms of the House, so as to ensure an ad.
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Mr. COBDEN said the remarks
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their duties.
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ob-
struction had not arisen on the previous night from the Hon.
anti Gallant Member for Liverpool, who had occupied the
House with a long speech (to which the House was very inat-
tentive), and concluded without proposing any motion.—
( Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Lord SANDON said, that when the question discussed in-
volved the great interests of their colonies, it was very wrong
in Hon. Members to adopt so light a tone.
Mr. BARING concurred with the Noble Lord as to the
importance of the question then discussed, and as on a
former occasion they had occupied tour or five nights on the
timber duties, he thought it was not too much to devote half a
night to the same question.—( Hear.)
Mr. COBDEN thought after what had passed, the House
was sot in a temper to discuss anything; he should, therefore,
press the motion for adjournment.
After a few words from Lord INGESTRIE,
who thought
that the Hon. Member for Stockport had withdrawn his
motion,
The Committee divided, when there appeared-...
For the adjournment... ............................. 36
Against it .......................................... 156
Majority against the adjournment......... 120
On our return to the gallery, we found
Mr. HUME moving that the Chairman dq leave the Chairs
Lord STANLEY hoped that the Committee would see
the necessity of now disposing of the question under dia-
cussion.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He was aware that it was
in the power of the Honourable Member for Montrose
(Mr. Hu ne), and of half a doaen gentlemen who thought
with him, to interrupt the business of the House and compel
an adjournment. If the Hon. Gentleman persisted in moving
an arrurnment, he (Lord Stanley would not
.waste the time
of the Committe by dividing it, but he
wished it to go forth to
the public that it was not to the House. of Commons but to a
very small portion of its Members it was owing that they
were unable, after so long a discussion, to make so little pro-
gress in the tariff. The motion of the Hon. Member for
Montrose was, that the Chairman do now leave the chir,
which, if carried, would put an end to the all'clgeer
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Member for Bolton, having in his place in Parliament utterly
denied the charge, of course, from that moment, the charge
fell to the ground.—( Loud cheers.) The Hon. Member for

KnaresbororUgh, however, had not made the charge on his own
authority—he had stated that he heard so and so in Switzer-
land; and if, whenever an Hon. Member made a statement of

that. sort, he was to be immediately taken up and asked %rho
told him that, and when did he hear it uttered—(Cries of

" Oh, oh," and laughter, from the Opposition, met by cheers
from :he Ministerial benches)—there would be no end to these

scenes of profitless discuvioit, which would lead to a painful
waste of the time of the House. The very moment the Hon.
Gentleman opposite disclaimed the charge, resting, as it did,
upon anonymous authority, he was entitled to the full
benefit of that denial, and ought to be considered
as cleared by the House and the country.—(Loud cheers.)
The Hou. fslmber did not vouch for the statement himself.
The Hon. Gentleman on the other side, in his place in Parlia-
ment, denied it; aiAl he hoped the Committee would permit
the matter to drop, and permit the consideration of the tariff to
be resumed. Every one was agreed as to the necessity of get-
ting through the tariff as speedily as possible, and yet every
particle in it had le:l to a long discus-ion, not of the articl
itself, but on every other question.---( Hear, hear.) Let them
consider that there were 750 articles in the tariff, that they had

still 21 pages to get through before even the Bill could be
brought in, and if night after night discussions of this sort were
to be raised, it was impossible to say when they would get
through one page ; and he would earnestly request the Com-
mittee not to engage any more in these discussions, which
must be at once so painful and so exasperating to the feelings
of all parties.
Mr. F. T. BARING must say one word as to the unjust and
unfair charge which had been made against the Hon. Member
for Bolton. It would not be consistent with fairness, if he sat

down without expressing his opinion that the charge, what-
ever might have been the words used, conveyed the idea that the
lion. Member for Bolton had acted disgracefully. Without
dwelling upon the particular words that had been used by the
Hon. Member for Knaresborough, who had made three speehes
each differing from the other—(Loud cheers)—yet, taking
any one of them, the charge conveyed was, that the Hon. Gen-
tleman, in the confidential performance of a public duty, had
been guilty of gross misconduct.—( Hear, hear.) Now, when
a charge of that nature was made, it was right that a distinct
specification should be given, in order to enable the accused
person to sift the charge. What he complained of in the Hon.
Member for Knaresborough was, that he had brought forward
a charge against a public servant of misconduct in his official
capacity, and when asked from whence the charge came, tie
Hon. Gentleman said he would not answer the question.
If he had made a charge against any person, and had been
called upon to give that person an opportnity to reply, and
he had said he would give them no opportunity of meeting
those charges, what would have been said, not only on the
other side, but his ewn side of the House ?—(Cheers,) The
common courtesy of the House, when a statement was made,
was that credence ‘l,-.llltl be given to it. The Hon. Gentle-
man opposite had made the charge three times.—( Hear,
hear.) He made the charge first and it was denied.
Again the charge was made, and again denied ;
and a third time tt e charge was made and denied. He had
no right to defend public servants, but when a charge was
made without the possibility of meeting it, he considered it was
dealing unfairly, be it on which side it might. He agreed with
the Noble Lord that these diseessions wasted the time of the

Howe, but he must say that because they sat pm this side of the
House, and happened to hold opinions contrary to gentlemen

-
opposite, that that was no reason why they should be dealt with . man's motion be negatived, whether with or without a division.
unfair.v. if afterwards the Hon. Gentleman persisted in his motion of
Mr. FERR ANPeeose to explain. ' The Right lion. Gen- adjournment, he (Lord Stanley) would not give the House the
tleman who had just -addreaied the House said that he rose as trouble of dividing ; but he wished the country to see on what
a Member of the late Government, who appointed the Hon. grounds the House was obliged to give over the further pro-
and Learned Member for Balms, to go abroad to get up evi. gress of the measure.
deuce. He (Mr. Ferrand) asked the House, and he asked . Mr. S. O'BRIEN said that the country should know whe-
the country, whether it was net at that time notorious that the ther the interruption had not arisen from a most unwarranted
Hon. and Learned Member for Bolton was a violent advocate and unfounded attack made by an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fer-
of the principle of free trade ? He (Mr. Ferranti) asked the rand) on an Hon. Member (Dr. Bowring) who had held a
Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat d .wn whether it was Government situation..—(Cries of " Question," " Chair.")
not notorious throughout the country that the Hon. Gentleman He had voted in the minority on the last division because he
was sent abroad by the Government for the purpose of getting participeted in the opinions of the Hon. Member for Stock-
rid of him?—( Loud cries of " Order, order. and confusion.) port (Mr. Cobden).---( Cries of " Question.")
It was notorious throughout the country that the Government j Mr. FOS PER wished to mark his sense of these personal
sent the Hon. and Learned Gent:eman abroad for the purpose I attacks made by Hon. Gentlemen. It was a practice that
of ge•ting rid of his advocacy of that principle which he (Mr. , ought to be put an end to. If it continued it could not fail to
Ferrand) had no hesitation in saying that he supported in a bring that House into discredit with the country.
straightforward and honourable manner.—( Cries or " Divide," : Mr. HUME said he was asked if he would persevere in his
" Adjourn," " Order.") But had he (Mr. Feirand) not a motion. He replied yes. The Noble Lord said that this was
right to canvass his conduct abroad in the service of the public, ! a motion which would put an end to the tariff. It would so,
and was he to be told in the House of Commons that he had no if it were carried ; but the Noble Lord knew that he (Mr.
reeht to make a remark upon it, or form an opinion as to the liume);had no other mode of putting his motion. It was not
manner in which that evidence had been got up ? He his intention to divide the House on that motion, but he should
was there to say himself that he was dissatisfied with take the sense of the House on the question of reporting pro.
the conduct of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman abroad. gre...s. He (Mr. Hume) was desirous of seeing the measure
He thought in the evidence which he did get he was not anxi- progress. (Cries of " Oh, oh," and ironical cries of " Hear.") ous to prepare a fair report on both sides of the question, but that No person had been more attentive to the tariff than he had
it was based, as naturally it would be, upon a strict free trade been. Each night that it was discussed he was not a moment
principle. It was utterly impossible that he should come back absent from the House. But if the Nobly Lord and his col-
with a satisfactory report to the people of this country.-- j leagues countenanced such proceedings ae had just occurred on
( Order, order.) But he (Mr. Ferrand) begged leave to tell the I the other side of the House, it was to them that any delay of
Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, that he had not the measure was to be attributed. The whole was owing to
three times repeated his assertion with regard to the Hon. and what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Knaresborough,
Learned Member for Bolton. He had repeated what he heard, 1 and if there was any fault at all, he thought it was owing to
that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was most anxious for the Chairman, who ought to have stopped so personal an
evidence in favour of a free trade principle.—(Cries of Order, affair.—( Order, order.) The whole of that side of the House
order, and considerable confusion.) This was what he had said. I countenanced the proceedings of the Hon. Member—( Hear,
(No, no.) One word with regard to what had fallen from hear)—and no Member of the Government rose to interfere,
the Noble Lord the Member for Sunderland. The Noble Lord who ought, as managers of the House, to keep their supporters
had made use of the expression that language so grossly im- in order.—( Oh, oh.)
proper ought not to be tolerated in that House. If he (Mr. Lord STANLEY did not think any person would be justi-
Ferrand) had used language grossly improper in that House, he fled in interferinsr'as long as any Hon. Member did not violate
had no doubt whatever that the Speaker would have called him the rules of the House, and did not think the Hon. Member
to order.—(lronical cheers.) At any rate he thought the Noble was unparliamentary. And if the Hon. Member for Montrose
Lord was the last person to make such a charge. thought so, it was his duty to call the Hon. Member to order.—
Mr. BROTHERTON rose to move that the Chairman re- (Loud cheers.) But neither he, nor any Member of the Go-
port progress. vernment was responsible for the expressions of any Hon.
On the question being put, Member. But when the Hon. Member for Bolton denied the
Mr. WALLACE said, in the whole course of his experience, charge, he (Lord Stanley) gave him full credit for it. And he
and he had sat in four Parliaments, he never witnessed such a endeavoured to recal the House to the business before them.
scene in the House of Commons. He was very much asto- Mr. AGLIONBY did not think the first speech made by the
Dished to see that so many Hon. Members of great experience Noble Lord at all calculated to calm the feelings of the House.
on the other side of the House could not assist the Noble Lord, He said he wished to show the country who those Members
the Member for North Lancashire, in an attempt to put an were who voted for the Honourable Member for Mon-
end to the scene. He (Mr. Wallace) had never in his life at- trose. Now, he begged to say that he would vote for
tempted to stop the proceedings of the House. He had always the motion, and he would always do so when
voted against the adjournment of the House at twelve o'clock, the course pursued that night was adopted; but not because
or any other hour, for he thought no man ought to come there an individual Member made unwarrantable charges upon the
who was not possessed of firmness of mind, and texture of con- public conduct of an-Hon. Member who held a responsible soua-
stitution sufficient to go on with the duties imposed on him up Lion, but becau,:e he was cheered by Members on the other side,
to any hour of the morning. He held that if a man were notpos- and he thought that on those grounds there was sufficient
sensed of these requisites, he was unfit to have a seat in the torsion for saving that an important subject could not be fairly
House. Yes, lie said it was effeminate, and he would debited.—(Hear, hear.) The party en the other side were
look down on it. He would on that occasion those eho seemed anxious to obstruct the public business.
second the proposal of adjournment, but did so with Lord STANLEY said he did not think the Hon. Member
great reluctance, and it was on the ground of the absence of the had heard much of the debate—( Hear, hear, hear)—as he had
Hight Hon. Baronet, who was the leader of the House, and one of those suspicious symptoms which would induce one to
the accredited organ of the Crown, as he saw no one there believe that he had come rather late iute the House.—
who seemed to have that authority on the Ministerial side of (Laughter and cheers.) But if he had been there from seven
the House which the Right Hon. Gentleman possessed. o'clock he thought he would be less anxious for an adjourn-
There was another matter to which"- he would shortly ment.—(Loud cheers.)
advert, and he begged particularly to address himself to the Mr. AGLIONBY wished that all personal charges were
Noble Lord. When the Noble Lord introduced the Com-- made in such good humour as that made by the Noble Lord—
cion Bill—
(Hear, hear) —but though he had a white waistcoat—( A
Lord STANLEY—I did not introduce it. laugh)—he could assure the Noble Lord he heard every word
Mr. WALLACE—No; the Noble Lord did not introduce of the debate.
it, but still it ought to be called the Noble Lord's Bill.—(Cries Mr. Hume's motion was then put and negatived without a
of " Questior.") He was speaking to the queStiOn,' for. the
question was the adjournment of the -House ; and if less Cheer' • Dr. IfdiVßll(7-6-the4alitilied that the Chairman should re-
ing, and more decorous conduct was evinced by Members next port progress and ask leave to sit again.
the bar.—( Loud cries of " Order, order.") Well. The question having been put and carried,
then—( Repeated cries of " Order")—would Hon. Gentlemen Mr. GREENE said that perhaps he might take that oppor-
wish hen to name a man, and he would do it?—(" Chair," tunity of saying, in reference to what had fallen from the Hon.
"order," and "question.") Well, then, he wouldname a per- %feather for Montrose, that he did not think the Hon. Member
son ; and say, that the foremost in the noisey cheering was for Knaresborough had said any thing which was out of order.
one of the nearest relations of the Right Hon. Baronet, who If he had, he should have felt it his duty to do so at once.
was absent.—(Cries of " Order.") He said so again; he was The Chairman reported progress, and the House resumed.
not to be bullied by him, or by any one else.—(Confusion, The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
and cries of " Chair, chair.") the House adjourned at Half- past One o'Clock.
Lord STANLEY now rose to order, and said he was sure
that the Hon. Gentleman was anxious to maintain order; but
he must perceive that he himself was not setting a very good
example, as, by applying the word " bullying "to any Hon.
Member, he would at once. , that he was exceeding the
rules of the House, and he( Lr • Stanley) would advise him
immediately to return to thesis) vet: before the House.
Mr. WALLACE said he was obliged to the Noble Lord,
for he was not aware of what had fallen from him, but he
would at once acknowledge that the word " bullying " ex-
ceeded the rules of Parliament. With respect to the proposal
before the House, he thought they should at once accede to it ;
but he was go.ng to say, that the Noble Lord had
during the Coercion Bill, often read private letters, and re.
ferred to them, and refused to name the authors, but always
refined to give the names of parties on public grounds.
Now he (Mr. Wallace) said that when Hon. Gentlemen made a
personal attack on private information they ought to give the
narnes of the parties. He should never think of bringing an
accusation against any one without giving his authority. He
could not believe that such a course was manly, and he hoped
they would get rid of the habit of speaking in such persona
manner in the House. He begged pardon of the House for
having spoken in the strong terms in which he did, but asked
pardon of no individual ; it wasief the House alone he asked it.
Colonel PEEL said the Hon. Gentleman Has unders'oed as
retracting the words made use of as far as the House was con-
cerned, but that he would make no apology to individuals.
Mr. WALL ACE—I have retracted the word bullying only.
Colonel PEEL—I em only say that there is no gentleman
whose opinion I would less wish to have than the Honourable
Gentleman's —( Laughter. )
Mr. C. BULLER said he was not at all sorry that the
discussion was of a personal character, as he thought it was
high time that the House ought to know what was to be to-
lerated in that Howe. The Noble Lord had kindly endea-
voured to draw the matter to a conclusion in order to restore
the character of the House. What he (Mr. Buller) com-
plained of was the specific character of the charge, and then
the Hon. Member's unwillingness to prove it.
Mr. FERRAND—No.
Mr. C. BULLER hoped the Hon.-Gentleman would not
contradict him until. t e heard what he had to say. What he
complained of was that on that occasion the Hon. Gentleman
had come forward, not contenting himself with making mere
vague charges, but came forward with specific charges, and
sai.i he would name the individuals, and when called upon to
name them he refused to do so altogether.—( Hear.)
Now he said, that if the Hon. Gentleman made charges, he
ought to give the names of the parties. It appeared that the
Hon. Gentleman never made charges but what he discredited
hi:nseif—( Laughter)—therefore the Hon. Gentlemen on that
(the Opposition) side of the House always consider ed, that the
more specific he made the charges, the less able was he to sup-
port them.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) He was not im-
pugning the Hon. Gentleman's veracity; he meant him no
offence; he did not intend to do se. He simply imputed to
him a want of caution and care in making assertions,
which left them in a very awkward
predicament, and
produced scenes in that House which ought not to occur.
His Hon. Friend complained of the parties opposite. But
when the cat was away the mice would play.--(Laughter.)
He must say that the sports of that night had been rather up-
roarious.—( Laughter.) They had been indulged in freely on
the other side the House. But they had been carried on with
boldness, as though they felt relieved from a restraint, and they
therefore indulged in tirades against the Right Hon. Baronet
—(Loud laughter)—which would shock the Right Hon. Baro-
net to hear.—( Continued laughter.) With regard to the motion
for adjournment, on the ground of the absence of the Right
Hon. Baronet, or a motion that the Chairman report progress
and ask leave to sit again, when the Right Hon. Baronet was
back in his place, they were very reasonable motions. —(Loud
Isughter.) But it. was rather unusual. —( Renewed laughter.)
With respect to the subject of Indian muslins he said that those
parts of India which had been ruined by our duties had a right
to ask that their raw produce should be admitted into the
market in the same way ae our manufactures were admitted
there.

LA W IN TE L LIUENCE.

APPEAL COURT, Doctors'-Commons,June 7.
WOOD AND OTHERS V. GOODLAKE, HELPS, AND OTHERS.
The last stage in the long-pending contest for the money of
the rich Gloucester banker was reached to-day, and the
struggle, now the main point is decided, was carried on with
the same vigour and animosity which has characterised every
step of the proceedings. The bill of costs was offered for sig-
nature to this Court (in which the formal business of the Pre-
rogative Court is generally transacted) by the proctors for the
several parties who have claimed either as heirs, or legatees, or
executors from James Wood. It will be recollected that the
Judicial Committee of the Privy Council pronounced in favour
of the validity of the payer presented by Sir M. Wood and the
other executors named therein, but directed the costs of all the
parties to be paid out of the estate.
Mr. BLICKTON, the proctor for Mr. Hitchens, who was ad-
mit!ed a next of kin of the deceased, but who has since died,
presentesl his taxed bills of costs. The principal bill for the
main cause amounted to 1,3111. 13s. I Id., and there were
three other bills, the first of which was 466/. I Is. Sd., the
second 2,6761. 12s. 3d., and the third 1711. 4s. Bd.
Mr. LONGDEN, proctor for the executors, was directed to
oppose the bills, as taxed by the ilegistrar, and prayed to be
heard on his petition against them.
Mr. BUCKTON denounced this proceeding as unheard-of.
The executors of the late Mr Wood, who had unexpectedly
come into possession of all his wealth, were desirous, by a
quirk and quibble of ;.he law, of preventing him from obtaining
his fair costs. He asked to be sworn as to the truth and accu-
racy of the bills, as in case of his death no one could recover
them, and the executors would then escape altogether.
The COURT granted its permission, and Mr. Buckton took
the customary oath as to the correctness of the items in the
bills of costs.

Mr. LONG DEN—But the Court will net at once sign the bills?
Dr. DA ußENv—Certainly not.
Mr. TOKER, the proctor for Mrs. Goodlake (another of the
parties opposing the validity of the papers propounded by Sir
M. Wood, and claiming as next of kin), then pre..ented his
taxed bills of costs. 'he firsrwas for 1,474/. 2s. 9d., the
second for 396/. 12s. 3d., the third for 2,6281., and the fourth
for 284/. is. A similar conversation took place in this as in
the former case, with the addition of Dr. Phillimore expressing
his opinion that the proceedings were disgraceful to the prac-
tice of the Court. It ended by the Court expressing its deter-
mination to refer the whole case to the Privy Council when the
petition against the bills had been brought in. The bills of Mr.
Pulley, proctor for Mr. Helps, was also given in, but in con-
sequence of his absence from illness, the consideration of them
was postponed. They amounted, severally, to the sums of
3.'274/. 13s. 1(1., 6921. 19s. 9d., and 4,1381. 12s. 11d., making
altogether 8,106/. ss. 9d.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE,
MARLBOROUGH-STREET.
Frederick Pridham, a gentlemanly-dressed young man,
who stated that he is a medical student, residing at No. 8,
Harpur-street, Red Lion-square, appeared on his bail from
Monday, being charged with so violently assaulting Lieutenant-
Colonel Baron Osten, of the 9th Lancers, that his life was en-
daneered.
From the evidence of James Sudbury, footman to the Baron,
it appeared, that about two o'clock on Monday afternoon the
defendant came to his master's residence, ?so. 12, Dover-
street, Piccadilly, and inquired whether the Baron was at
home. He replied in the affirmative, and having ushered him
into the Baron's presence, left the room. A few minutes
afterwards his master's hell was rang violently, and on going
into his room he saw his master and the defendant struggling
together. He was desired to assist in removing the defendant
from the room, and as ke was advancing to do so, the defendant
struck the Baron a most violent blow on the head
with an ebony thick walking-slick he had in his
hand. The blow was given with such force, that the stick
was snapped asunder, the Baron's head cut in two places very
deeply, and a glazed case of stuffed birds was also broken by
one of the pieces of stick striking it. The defendant was then
with great difficulty ejected from the room. The Baron suf-
fered extremely from loss of blood, and the excited state of
mind he was put in, and was now unable to leave his bed.
Mr. Sherrard, of No. 8, New Bond-street, surgeon, stated
that he was called in to attend the Baron, whom he found suf.
fering from two contused wounds and a bruise on the head,
The wounds appeared to have been inflicted with a blunt in-
strumeut, and the head was cut through to the skull. Ho
dressed the wounds, and, although he did not apprehend any
great danger from them, yet owing to the Baron's advanced
age, 65, and the excitement under which he was labouring,
fatal consequences might ensue.
The defendant alleged that he called upon the Baron to de.
mand whether he had written to his father, Dr. Pridham,
about him, or whether he had ever said any thing regarding
his family to Lord Tenterden or Mr. Twiselton Fines, On the
Baron refusing to answer him, he merely laid his band on his
collar, demanding an answer—yes or no—on which the Baron
pushed him away, and ran to a safe, and seized two swords--
one a Turkish cymeter—and then fearing some mischief might
ensue, he closed with the Baron, to endeavour to wrest the
weapons from him, and then certainly did strike him with his
walking cane on the head, The door of the room was at the
instanropened, and a number of persons, both male and female,
rushed in and dragged him out, and in the scuffle he was nearly
strangled.
In answer to Mr. Maltby, Mr. Sherrard stated that in all
probability the Baron would be able to attend in a few days.
Mr. MALTuv said that the ease should stand over until
Monday next, and he should call on the defendant to find bail,
himself in 2001., and two sureties in 1001. each. It was, how-
ever, afterwards arranged that the defendant's recognizance,
and that of his father, Dr. Pridham, who gave his address at
the Reform Club-house, conjointly, to the amount of 4001,,
should be taken fur the defendant's appearance on Monday next.
Mr. Pridham stated, outside the office, that the question he
asked the Baron was, whether he had or had not spread a re-
port that he (the Baron) was his father, and not Dr. Pridham.
WORSHIP-STREET.
The driver of the hackney cabriolet, No. 136, was sum-
moned before Mr. Bingham, by Mr. Thomas Perkins, a whole-
sale tobacconist, iu Cheapside, to answer the charge of hav-
ing exacted a larger amount of fare than he was legally en-
titled to.
Prior to the evidence being gone into, the defendant ad-
dressed the Bench, and said that he had become sensible of the
error he had committed, and was ready to return the amount o f
overcharge he had received.
The complainant said that the mere overcharge was a matter
of minor consequence ; his reason for proceeding against the
defendant, was on account of the audacious and violent manner
in which he had conducted himself.
The MAGISTRATE said he should require the defendant to pay
the sum of 155., which would include the costs and overcharge,
The defendant paid the amount, and was discharged.

A new novel is advertised as immediately forth-
coming, from the pen of the authoress of " The History of a
Flirt," This announcement will, doubtless, be received with
considerable delight by every reader of fiction, for of all the
novels of its season, " 'I he Flirt" was universally acknowledged
to be at once the most piquant, as well as praiseworthy ; and it
is naturally to be expected that in this new work the maturer
powers of this delightful writer will afford a still greater amount
of amusement and instruction to her numerous readers. The
title of the expected novel, " The Manceuvring Mother," is a
very promising one; and if it should meet with as great a de-
gree of popularity as " The Flirt" so soon attained, it is to be
hoped the authoress will be induced to declare herself, and re,
(wive, in her proper person, the honours she has so well army•
mously won.
THEI WEATHER.—Dwing this past week the
weather has heel) remarkably tine for the farmers, and the
grqwing crops. Abundance of genial sunshine, with occasional
bowers, offer a capital prospect for the harvest.—Kendal
Mercury.

The present duties of the Corn Inspectors A.W
volve upon the officers of Excise on the '.l.4tU of this month.
The Inspectors have been recetyk'szikiries, amounting to 301.
and a at*... The. Iti'spector who furnishes returns of the
L'op(ikiii'tiwles has 30. N. a year. The latter is the only per-
-‘,60. will be allowed a compensation for the loss of his office
through the new arrangements.