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official persons connected with the South-Western Com-
pany were to be pre-sent, although he was gla Ito see
them there ; doubts might otherwise have existed
which would now be c!eared up. With reference to
the position of Andover, on the London, Salisbury, and
Yeovil line, he rn;ght remark that the instructions
given to the engineers were, that they should come as
near to the town of Andover as possible.—(Cheers.)
He was bound to inform the meeting of the intention of
his company to benefit the town, by bringing their line close
to it. In all probability it would run by Andover, near the
workhouse. Every one knew where that was. It had
been alleged that his company had come info a part of the
country into which they had no right to enter. This he
denied. The South-Western Company had made their
election when they framed their line. After reaching
Basingstoke they deviated from the western course, and
went south to Southamptoe. They had no right, there-
fore, to claim the country between Basingstoke and Ex-
eter as theirs. But he bad still a stronger case for the
London, Salisbury, and Yeovil Company. He could
inform the meeting that his company, the Yeovil
Company, had put forward no plan, had made no
movement, until it had been explicitly understood
that the South-Western Company did not intend to
construct a line in that direction.—(Cheers.) A
communication with the influential parties in the South-
Western Company had taken place, certainly not with an
idea of binding either, as if by written agreement, but
merely with a view to ascertain whether the
South-Western Company had any intention of
making such a line. The answer given was
distinct—that they had no such intention. It was
believed that their hands were tied. The country
was, therefore, open to an independent company.
His company had no intention, at first, of stopping at
Yeovil; but having, in the course of their formation,
ascertained that a party in Exeter were forming a company
to construct a line to Yeovil, a communication with that
party took place. The London, Salisbury, and Yeovil Com-
pany having received from them an assurance that their
intentions to proceed were sincere, desisted from pressing
the extended scheme. If, however, the Exeter
and Yeovil Company should falter, there was plenty
of time to make his company a London, Salisbury,
and Exeter Company," and that would most certainly
be done.—(Cheers.) They knew the feelings of the
inhabitants in the district and the wants of the
country, and they would not disappoint them. Their
capital was sure ; reserving, as they would do, a few
shares for those persons along the line who had not yet
applied for them. He would wish that neither the surveys
which the South-Western Company were making, nor the
attempts of the Great Western Company to monopolize
those districts, would prevent them from going on, after
the late declaration of the Right Hon. the Premier
in the House of Commons. As they had adequate means,
they would proceed in their work, and, by taking the
project in hand at this early part of the year, it would
allow them full time for accomplishing the work they
had in hand.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CROMBIE, in reply to an inquiry as to how long
it would take to reach Exeter by the proposed line
and the narrow guage, said, not longer, in proportion
to the distance, than the wide guage. They could
run quite as fast on the narrow as on the broad guage.
On the Brighton line they had been for some time
running -a fast train the whole distance, fifty-one miles
being completed in an hour and a quarter. It was quite
a mistake to suppose that the narrow gorge was not
equary as safe as the wick page for that route.
Mr. LOCKE said the South-Western Company had
never any intention of giving up this line, as they had
long since determined on constructing a line to Salisbury
vier Andover.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 31.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
Messengers from the Commissioners of Poor-law=, the
Board of Ordnance, the Commis,ioners of Bankruptcy,
the Bank of England, and other Boards and public
establishments, brought to the bar the usual returns.
RAILWAYS, &c.
A petition was presented against the Newcastle and
Berwick Railway, the petitioners praying to be heard
by counsel against the Bill.
On the motion of Mr. AIASTERMAN, the London
and South Western Railway Bill (No. 2), was read a
second time, and ordered to be committed.
A petition was presented in favour of the Caledonian
Railway Bill.
Mr. DODD presented a petition from the Directors of
the London and Cr oydon*Railway Company, praying that
the report of the Railway Committee of the Board of
Trade be referred back to the Board for reconsidera-
tion. The lion. Member gave notice that he would to-
morrow move that the petition be printed.
On the motion of Mr. BECKETT, the Midland Coun-
ties Branches Bills (Nottingham to Lincoln, Ely to
Lincoln, Swinton to Lincoln, and Systoa to Peter-
borough), were severally read a second time, and ortiered
to be committed.
On the motion of Mr. W. PATTEN, the Sheffield,
Ashton. under Lyne, and Manchester Railway Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed.
On the motion of Mr. G. DUNCAN, the Paisley Gas
Bill was read a second time.
Mr. B. BALDWIN presented seven petitions against
the South-Eastern Railway project.
On the motion of Mr. FOSTER, the Brighton, Lewes,
and Hastings Railway Bill (Keymer branch), was read a
second time, and ordered to be committed.
Mr. S. WORTLEY brought in the Sheffield and Ro-
therham, the Birmingham and Gloucester, the Birming-
ham and Worcester, and other Railway Bills, which
were read a first time.
WATERFORD AND KILKENNY RAILWAY.
Mr. V. STEWART presented a petition in favour of
the Waterford and Kilkenny Railway Bill.
IRISH WORKHOUSES.
Mr. COOTE presented petitions from places in Ire-
land, complaining of the mode of repayment of the
money expended in the erection of workhouses, and
praying that they should be relieved from the burden.
PAYMENT OF CONSTABULARY.
The HON. MEMBER also presented petitions, praying
that the constabulary should be paid out of the Consoli-
dated Fund.

exists great anxiety on the subject.—(Cries of "Order,
order.")
The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Greene)—The House is now
in a Committee of the whole House and cannot enter-
tain the motion of the Hon. Gentleman.—(Bear, hear.)
Mr. CORRY—I did not move the Committee until

Mr. WEBSTER confirmed Mr. Crombie's statements
relative to the communications which had been made with
the South-Western Company.
Mr. CHAPMAN, while he disclaimed all vexatious op-
position to an established company, expressed the deter-
mination of the company with which he was connected to
carry out the scheme which they had proposed. He was
quite certain that the line was wanted, and he pledged
himself, on the part of the company, that he would not
be daunted either by the South-Western, or that Le-
viathan, he might say, " crooked leviathan," the Great
Western.

Mr. LOCKE, in answer to a question, stated that the
South-Western Company had no intention of going to
Exeter. _ _

Mr. MORTIMER denounced the proceedings of the
South Western Company, and contended that if they
had succeeded in getting their Hookpit deviation line,
which was reported against by the Board of Trade, a
line to Andover would never have been heard of.—
(Loud cheers.) The town, he thought, had been very
unfairly dealt with by the South-We.tern Company.
Mr. FOOTNER, the town-clerk, thought the London,
Salisbury, and Yeovil Company were entitled to the
thanks of the inhabitants. Withoet pledging the meet-
ing to either party, he would move a vote of thanks to
the deputations which had attended on the part of both
companies.
Mr. THOMPSON, ex-mayor, seconded the motion,
which was carried nem. dis.
Mr. LOCKE and Mr. CHAPMAN severally returned
thanks.
The MAYOR acknowledged a similar compliment paid
to himself, and the proceedings terminated.

THE CASE OF CHILD MURDER
AT ISLE WORTH.
Yesterday the jury empanelled on the 4th of March
to inquire into the death of a newly-born female infant
child of a woman named Ann Pendry, against whom a
verdict of wilful murder was on Friday last returned, re-
assembled at the Northumberland Arms Tavern, Isle-
worth, for the purpose of signing the inquisition.
Mr. Wakley handed to police sergeant Pool, who had,
on the verdict being returned by the jury, by the order
of the Coroner, taken Ann Pendry into custody, a war-
rant for the detention of' the prisoner, and her produce
tion at the adjourned inquest on the Monday, of which
the following is a copy :
" Central Criminal Court to wit.—lnquest-room,
Northumberland Arms, Isleworth, Friday, March 28th,
1845.—T0 Mr. William Lawrence, Inspector of Police,
" You are hereby charged to detain in your custody
Arm Pendry, on an accusation of the murder of her
infant child, and you are hereby required to produce the
body of the said Aun Pendry before me and my inquest
on Monday next, the 31st of March, at this place, at ten
o'clock in the forenoon.
" THOMAS WAKLEY, Coroner."
Pool havii,g read the warrant, asked the Coroner what
he was to do with the prisoner in the meantime, as an
order had just been issued by the Commissioners of
Police forbidding the detention of a prisoner on remand
at any station-house, a copy of which he would show the
Coroner in a few minutes.
Mr. WAKLEY said he had never heard of such an
order. Ile had before directed persons to be taken into
custody by the who had detained them on his
(the Coroner's) warrant.
Pool shortly returned with the Order-book, from
which he read the following order :
" March 27.—1 n consequence of the great inconve-
nience to the police, by prisoners being remanded to the
station-house, contrary to the usual and regular practice,
prisoners under remand are not in future to be confined
at such plaN.s, And any magistrate who shall desire a
prisoner to he taken under such circumstances to a sta-
tion-house, is to be respectfully informed of this order.
(Signed) " R. MAY N E."
He then inquired! if he could not take the prisoner to
the New Prison, Clerkenwell, where other remanded pri-
soners were taken to.
The CORONER said the Middlesex Magistrates had
thought fit to direct the Governor of the New Prison'tiot
to receive prisoners on remand by the Coroner, and it
he took her there-they would, nu doubt, refuse to re
crive her.
After the departure of Mr. Wakley, Inspector Law•
ranee, to whom the warrant was directed, arrived at
Isleworth, and determined under the circumstances on
taking the prisoner in a fly before one of the local Ma-
gistrates, for the purpose of having her remanded by
them to the New Prison; but at that juncture Mr. T.
Twining, a Magistrate, residing at Twickenham, acci-
dentally passed in his carriage, to whom application was
consequently made, and who, to relieve the police from
the dilemma they were in as to the disposal of the pri-
soner, remanded her to the New Prison until yesterday
morning, whither she was immediately conveyed.
Yesterday, on the re-assembling of the jury, and the
arrival of Mr. Wakley. the prisoner was brought into
the room by Inspector Lawrence, in accordance with the
Coroner's warrant. Mr. Twining, the Magistrate, was
also prsent.
After the inquisition had been read ova., an-I signed
by the Coroner and jury,
Mr. Twining, having explined to the Coroner the
circumstances under which he had interfered in the mat-
ter, asked Mr. Wakley what he was going to do with
the prisoner?
Mr. WAKLEY replied—l shall commit her to Newgate
for trial.
Mr. Twining—But you have no power to detain her
now, seeing that she is on remand by a Magistrate.
The CORONER—Yes, Sir, I have, and so you will see.
She is now here on my remand.
Mr. Twining—l have no wish whatever to clash in
our respective duties, but I do not know how to mark
the police-sheet, on which she was charged before me,
unless I say that she has been committed for trial by the
Coroner.

Mr. WAKLEY then said he had been directed at the
Home Office to place persons he ordered into custody in
the hands of the police, and leave the responsibility on
them. Had the prisoner, therefore, not been produced
before the inquest, he should have committed the officer
to Newgate for contempt, and he would also have com-
mitted the governor of the New l'rison had he: refused
to receive her. There was no difficulty in such cases
only at the New Prison, the Magistrates denying his
right to commit there, but that he (the Coroner) had the
power he had no doubt.
Mr. Twining having marked the police-sheet with his
name, and the words " committed for trial by T. Wok-
ley, Esq., Coroner for the county of Middlesex," quitted
the inquest-room.

TOWN HALL, WINDSOR —Yesterday morning two
boys, named Henry Eden and Francis Johnson, of the re-
spective ages of twelve and fourteen years, were charged
before Thomas Clarke, Esq. (Mayor), and William Legit,
Esq., with having broken open a tin box, containing moneys
belonging to-the mother and brother of Eden, and stolen the
whole of its contents, .amounting to 1/. 18s. It appeared
from the evidence that the two boys left. Windsor as soon
as they had effected the 'robbervrand returned pennyless on
Saturday last, the day after the execution of John Tawell,
at Aylesbury. On being apprehended the boy Eden ad-
mitted he had broken 'open the box, by forcing the staple of
the padlock, and taken the money, in order to enable him
to go to Aylesbury "to see the Quaker hung." Aylesbury
is upwards of thirty miles from Windsor.
A stir is likely to be immediately made for having
a line of railway froth Kelso to somewhere in the neighbour-r
hood of St. Boswell's, which will connect the proposed' line
between Kelso and Berwick with that: between lidinhurgb,
and klawic4..-Xewcaele Journal.

opportunity of directing attention to certain statements horse-poteer to their 20,000 horse-power.—(Hear, hear.
connected with the force of the country. He did not Regarding the allusions which had been made to old and
know whether those statements were correct or net ; imperfectly construckal ships, it should be remembered
but at all events if they were not, it would be no fault that a long period had elapsed since their construe-
o!' his, for it would be recollected that some time ago he tion, but yet not one of those ships had been broken up,
made application to the Government for certain re- and only one of them was made a receiving-ship. It was
five o'clock. turns, which returns were refused, because it not at all extraordinary that changes should be made
Mr. WAKLEY rose amidst loud cries of " Order, was not thought proper by her Majesty's Government in the construction of ships, now that some of the old
order, chair, chair," from all parts of the House. that they should go forth to the public. The first re- models had, by the progress of science and experience,
The Honourable Gentleman exclaimed with con- turn which he wished to be made was a report of a survey become obsolete ; in fact, the great cause of alteration
siderable animation, I hope that it will be under- into the state of the navy, which took place shortly after was, the increase of science.—(Hear, hear.) How-
stood that this (the Opposition) side of the House the present Government came into office ; but that report ever, Hon. Members should not run away with the idea
approves of my not going on with my motion.—(Cries was refused him. Now he had been told by a gentleman that all the ships in the last war were bad ones. or of an
of " Order, order.") who had seen that report, that it was by no means satis- inferior construction ; it should be recollected that
Mr. CORIIY resumed. He was observing, before the factory. Ile had not seen the report himself, and if during the war, the Inconstant, a frigate of small
interruption took place, that he threw himself upon the this was an incorrect impression, perhaps the Right power, compelled a French man-of-war, which was clear-
indulgence of the House, which was always willingly lion. Baronet would be able to set him right. It would ing the harbour of Malta, to lower the topssils and
extended towards gentlemen circumstanced as he was. be remembered that he asked for a return, show- yards, and actually engaged with her until one of our
The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to make his state- ing the number and state of all classes of line-of-battle ships came up. Yet this French man-of-
merit of the estimates, but throughout he spoke in ships in the navy on the Ist of January, 1845, but war was considered the he plus ultra of French genius.
such a low tone as to be frequently quite inaudible. this return was refused. Now, he thought that after a The Hon. and Gallant Officer mentioned other instances
He believed that it would be only conforming with peace of thirty years, during which they had spent be- where British ships of much inferior size and force were
the wish of the Committee, if in this preliminary tween forty and fifty millions in the construction of victorious over foreign vessels. It was true enough, as
statement, he should confine himself as much as pos. ships, the Government ought not to be ashamed to observed by the Hon. Member for Montrose, that Eng-
sible, to the various cases of increase and decrease show to the whole world that the British navy land was the only nation which, at the close of the war,
under the several heads in the estimates which he had was now as perfect as it could possibly be.—(Hear.) had not a scientific Board for naval affairs. A school of
now to propose. With respect to the first, that of He did think, that after a peace which had lasted for naval architecture had been subsequently established-,
the increase of 4,000 men to the navy, it thirty or forty years, that the Board of the Admiralty which bred many excellent seamen ; but he thought the
was unnecessary for him to enter, after what had ought not to be ashamed to show the British navy to present system was as well calculated to encourage
fallen from his Right Hon. Friend at the head of the the whole world ; but he especially conceived that this genius as any other. It was an extraordinary fact,
Government in his financial statement. That increase was particularly applicable to the steam navy. that, notwithstanding all that had been done to-
had been rendered necessary by the increased demand at It was well known that this was an arm of the ser- wards unifigmity—to secure a principle which might
the three great stations on the coasts of Africa, arid vice particularly applicable to the present state of science, be generally applied to ship-building—the Admi-
China, and in the Pacific. On those stations alone 6,000 and that it was likely to come into still more powerful ralty had been unsuccessful ; and the most ex-
men were required, a force equal to the full complement use than had ever before been witnessed. He thought, cellent steam-vessels had been constructed on
of eight ships of the line, and this force was therefore, that he was fully entitled to ask for re- totally different principles. As an instance, he -might
indispensable for the protection of British interests. turns respecting the steam navy. The lion. Member quoted the Espiegle and the Flying Fish—both admire
The vote which was required for wages was 1,889,5451., for Montrose had, in 1843, asked for and obtained able vessels, but both constructed in different modes.
being an increase of 119,067/. The next vote was for returns respecting this branch of the service, and he did Several plans had been proposed, amongst others the
victualling the seamen and marines, and in this vote not understand why returns connected with this branch parabolic curve, by Lord Dundoaald, but he would not
the increase was 65,5851. In vote three, for the Admi- —he might say the very same returns—should not be anticipate the results until they all had a fair trial. The
ralty offices, there was an increase of 2,8601., which had given to him up to the year 1833. They had returns Hon. and Gallant Officer had alluded to alterations
been principally occasioned by:additional salaries to the of the several classes of the navy, apparently some of made in the construction of steam-vessels recently built.
surveyors of the navy and the director of the works. them very complete. They had returns of the frigates The Surveyor of the Navy, one of the most accomplished
The salary of the Secretary of the Admiralty was re- from 28 to 58 guns, and of line-of-battle ships from 70 sailors in the navy, had, certainly, directed some alte-
duced by the estimate from 1,500/. to 1,000/. a year— guns up to 90, and lie perceived that there were 74 rations, and he thought he should be allowed to carry
(Hear, hear)—and in the vote for the registry of merchant coasters and other small vessels, 65 sloops, 45 frigates, them out without interruption. He hoped the House
seamen there had been an increase, but that was neces- and 50 stationary ships. Now he should wish to would allow the estimates to be gone through, after the
sary from the passing of the Act during the last year. know what possible objection there could be to give him explanation he had given.
There was a slight increase in the expenditure of those a statement of the number of ships in commission last Captain BERKELEY was glad to hear the Hon. and
removed from the dock-yards to the penal settlements. year, including a return of the steam navy of the country? Gallant Officer state our superiority in point of steam-
The whole sum proposed to be voted is 1,199,1401, It appeared to him very anomalous that the Government vessels over our neighbours. He did not think the pam-
being an increase of 145,156/, as compared with the vote should be continually calling for large estimates phlet of the Prince de Joinville was written in a hos-
of last year. For No. 11 he proposed the large from the public purse, when they had already posses- tile spirit, but it kindled a.wholesome spirit of improve-
amount of 486,346/, being an increase of 184,4801. sion of the effective fleet which they represented in their ment in the British public as reearded our navy, which
as compared with the vote of last year. The returns in the course of last year. Now he believed was of the utmost importance. He thought the increase
whole of the increase was entirely for the purpose of that if these estimates were necessary they would sought for was necessary, and he should support it cora
building steam-vessels, which were now in progress in require as much as 50 sail of the line. Now, he believed dially. The best way to preserve the peace of Europe
Portsmouth and Devonport. The expense of construct- that, with all their advantages, they could not get fifty was to maintain and fortify our maritime power. The
ing such vessels was necessarily great, and he felt sail of the line on the water in less than twelve months. Prince de Joinville had suggested a steam navy as the
sure the House would not object to such an He meant with the complement of frigates, sloops, and best mode of bringing the contending Powers into a hand
expenditure. They were for the protection of corvettes. He knew that fifty sail of the line, with all these and hand conflict. If such should be the case, he be-
a long line of coast, which in time of war was most ex- necessary adjuncts, was no mean fleet to send to sea, lieved that, taking former occurrences for our guide, we
posed to invasion. They were required for the protec- and he was well aware of the power which such should be, in ninety-nine encounters out of a hundred,
tion of commerce. For the steam-vessels now in a fleet would exercise, if rightly manned by successful. Then it was in the power of the British
progress, 100,0001. would be allocated for the build- British seamen, when once fairly under weigh, Government to fit out a fleet of steam-vessels, from her
ing of steam-vessels at Portsmouth, and 80,0001. and he was anxious to support efficiently the navy ; but mercantile superiority, capable, not only of contend-
for a similar purpose at Devonport. 15,0001. was still he conceived that with the large sums which they ing with France, but with the whole world. If
proposed for the steam factories at Woolwich, were called upon to vote, they ought to be able to put they were to refer to Glasgow, to Liverpool, and the
45,0001. for first-class slips for the building of such a fleet to sea in the most efficient manner. other great ports of our commercial intercourse, and
steamers for the Channel, and 140,000/ for the With their present means he believed they could not which formed the entrepats of the navy of the kingdom,
purchase of machinery for the dockyards. In do this in less than twelve months, though with a better they would immediately see the immense power which
consequence of the recommendation of the Committee system, by which they would be able to bring the mer- the country possessed in the way of a steam navy, and
of last year considerable increase had taken place chant dockyards into play, they could with little how available they would be in the ability to form a
under this head, amounting—(as we guessed, for, to un- or no delay send twenty sail of the line, with their steam navy for the purposes of war. If the Committee
derstand the Hon. Gentleman was impossible)—to additions of frigates, sloops, and corvettes. If the would allow him to suggest, he would say that the best
4,7001. In the estimate, No. 13, there had been a very vessels were well built and properly kept in repair, way to form a navy of this kind would be to establish
large increase, of 67,0001., for the purchase ot land for dock- the Government would save a great deal of money. lie some Fewer, by which they would be enabled to form a
yards, workshops, and buildings at Portsmouth. In the would then go through the number of vessels in the steam navy by which this country would be enabled
next estimate, No. 18 (relating to half-pay), there was a docks besides the number of those in the water. It ap- to meet the power of the whole of the world. They
decrease of 16,2361. ; but he thought it right to take that peered to him that many of them were not fit bad little to do but to place pivot-guns on the decks
opportunity of informing the House that in the course for service, and if they were not intended to be sent of these steamers to render them most effective vessels of
of the session he should have to propose an estimate to sea again, they ought to be sold at once, as they war ; and they might estimate, from the return of the
in connexion with this vote to enable the Government would produce a considerable sum of money. Before mercantile navy, the number of effective vessels of war
to carry into effect a scheme for (we believe) the exten- showing the number of ships in the docks it was neces- which they could command, and by them they would
sion of the steam navy. He thought that the House would be sary to show what number of vessels were on the stocks. be enabled to calculate their prowess for effective war-
desirous to co-operate with the Government in giving The Queen was proved to be a bad vessel, having been fare. This power might, it was true, be indefinitely
encouragement to a class of men who were unem- obliged to be taken into the Sheerness Dock because extended ; and if the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secre-
ployed, although in full possession of their unimpaired she could not steer properly ; it was found necessary to tary for the Admiralty were anxious that it should be
energies.—(Cheers.) The details of the measure put a false bow in her, and also I believe she got a false extended, he for one was not anxious to restrict his
wore not yet fully prepared.—(Hear, hear.) The follow- stern, a bustle—(Laughter)--at considerable expense; powers nor those of time Government. The question, as
ing items, Nos. 15, 16, 17, and 18, did not call for any and now they did not know whether she would it appeared to him, was as to how far the Government
particular explanation. They included an increase to answer. So much for the Queen.—(Laughter.) The were entitled to this vote of credit on the strength of
the amount of 29,485/. He now came to the last vote of Boscawen having been turned into a 70 gun- their past performances. For his part, he conceived
these estimates, N 0.19, which was for the sum of 212,232 ship was pulled to pieces ; the Union, the that all that was necessary was to invest the Govern-
forthecontract for the Atlanticand other distant packets. Severn, the Porcupine of 20 guns, the Sealark ment with a power to make arrangements with the
The whole expense of the contract, which opened up a of 10 guns, the Tigris and the Isis were also proprietors of these vessels as they stood at present, and
steam communication once a month with India, and once pulled to pieces. There were three deck ships, independent at a moment send them to sea. Now he had a plan to
a fortnight with China, would be only 160,000/. ; and of that number, the Royal Albert, Victoria, and Prince of suggest, and he did so with considerable diffidence, but
of this sum 70,000/. would be borne by the East Wales. When the present surveyor of the navy came into yet, as the object was the public service, he did not con-
India Company. Before he concluded, he was office, he commenced by building at a great breadth, but ceive that any trespass that he might make on the patience
most anxious that the whole of the increase where were they to stop now ? It appeared most extra- of the House would be too great to obliterate the im-
in the naval estimates should be fully explained. ordinary. The Royal Albert was made sixteen feet portance of the public service, and he was exceedingly
The whole of the votes were estimated at broader than the Queen ;if we increase them, where desirous that if the powers which the Government pos-
-686,07e1, and of this sum 193,280/. were for are wo to get men to furl their sails ? It -was sessed were used to enlarge the effect of this mercantile
wages for the victualling and registering astonishing, to him how it could be done at all. power, there would at once be a steam navy that
of seamen-78,0541. for the expenses of dock- He thought, before the House voted more money for would be able to compete with that of all the
yards—these made a total of 271,374/., making the construction of steam-boats, they ought to have world. What he would beg to suggest would be,
a gross total in round numbers of 400,0001. an assurance that some person would be ap- that the navy should be drilled upon the custom
383,0001. were required for the purposes of steam navi- pointed to inquire into the subject. It was useless for of the marines, and what he wished was, that the navy
Ration, and this was an increase upon the estimates of Members to suppose that they did their duty in voting should be drilled according to the fashion of the marines
the preceding year of 31,000/. He trusted the House for the motion that had been proposed. It was the same and in the same divisions as the marines were classed.
would agree with him in opinion that these estimates thing with regard to those Hon. Gentlemen near him, If they did this, the navy would be able to act as
had, been framed as much for the efficiency of this who had a fellow feeling with the official gentlemen on marines, and the whole force would become one of effec-
branch of the public service as with that view to economy the other side of the House, because they had some tive artillery. His object was to convert the navy into
with which he was always ready to admit those subjects expectation of being in the same position themselves. as valuable artillery as the navy had proved themselves
should be approached. He believed, also, it would be They were, therefore, always found in the same lobby to be during the time of war.
conceded that the increased expenditure was not when it came to a vote. Now there was the Retribution, Sir GEORGE COCKBURN said, it should be recol-
large, or greater than the increased extent of a steam-vessel, of 1640 tons. She was larger than a lected that all these men were trained.
the navy demanded. The increased sum stated frigate, but did not carry a guneen her main deck, and it Captain BERKELEY said that he was aware that
as necessary for. an addition to the steam navy would was morally impossible to lire her stern guns. There the question which had been raised by the Right Hon.
be readily admitted to be not more than could be was a still larger steam-vessel, of 1830 tons, which was Baronet, one of the Lords of the Admiralty, was one of
deemed requisite for that branch of the service, in order so built that it was impossible to get her guns out. She great importance, and he was aware that many of the
that it should not be inferior to that of any other had no stera-posts, though he had heard that two had marines had been trained under the admirable system of
maritime nation.—(Hear, hear.) Ho would now con- been cut in her. He should like to see them, however. Sir John Pritchard, at Portsmouth. By that system
elude, and begged to thank the House for the kind and The Samson was in the same category exactly, and he the whole of the sailors had become gunners, but it
indulgent manner in which they had heard him, thought that the machinery in the Samson was worse should be recollected that marines were engaged during
and to move that 40,000 men be employed in the navy, placed than in any of the others. It was higher up, and a long series of years, that they were occupied during
including 10,500 men for the Marines, from and after he would defy a shot to be fired into her engine-house the whole of their engagement in a continual series
the 31st of March, 1845. without carrying away her machinery, it was so exposed. of exercises. The marines were engaged during
Upon the CHAIRMAN putting the question, With regard to the Firebrand, Captain Corrie, who a period of twenty-one years. Throughout the
Mr. WAKLEY rose and said he begged to move that went with the experimental expedition, and than whom whole of that period they had the full opportunity
the Chairman do now report progress, and ask leave to there was not a better officer, nor one who would give of rendering themselves effectual ; and he must say that,
sit again, and he did so for the purpose of reminding her a fairer report, said of her that she was perfectly useless. while he acknowledged the claims of the navy, he must
Majesty's Government of what had taken place in He would say nothing of the Vulture, because he had at the same time acknowledge that the marines were
this House before Easter in reference to a question he not been on board of her, and he would not state any- entitled to equal respect. He believed that the designs
then brought forward. He begged to remind the Right thing that he did not know. The Cyclops was intended of Sir W. Symonds had done very great good to the
Hon. Baronet, her Majesty's Secretary of ,State for the for a frigate, but it was found that she would not carry naval service ; but he must, at the same time, say that
Home Department, of what he (Mr. Wakley) had said guns on her main-deck at all ; and the Gorgon frigate it was necessary also to consider the feelings of the men
upon that occasion in reference to the 'Lost' office affair. had to be cut down to a corvette, and the sooner the who were engaged in that service, and what their claims
—(Hear, hear.) He then said that his constituents had same was done with the Cyclops the better. He now would be in the event of war. Under these circum.
forwarded him a petition, requesting him to present it to came to the steam sloops. They consisted 0f24,
the andi stances, he trusted that the Members of that House
this House, in reference to the opening of letters ; and they cost 462,104/. without the machinery, and 1 would well consider what they were about, before they
at the same time expressing the great anxiety machinery cost perhaps as much more, but they were voted those immense sums for the use of the navy.
they felt for a full explanation upon the only fit to be used as packet vessels. Their engine Captain ROUS said that he fully felt the effect of the
subject, not having yet had anything like a houses were so high that it was impossible for a shot to be observations of the Hon. Member for Ripon, and that
satisfactory explanation.—(Hen" hear.) 'When he pre. fired into them without destroying their machinery. he was alive to the great importance of those points
rented that petition lie stated that it was not his wish He had had a great deal of conversation with the best which that Hon. Gentleman had introduced. With him
to put her Majesty's Government to any inconvenience ; engineers of the country, aud they had told him that if a he was inclined to complain of the way in which these
but he felt compelled to adopt the course he had taken, his proper sum of money were paid, there would he no diffi- things had been represented to the House. Ile had
constituents having declared that they would not be cake' in reducing this machinery to a level with the complained that the Eurydice was a donkey frigate, but
satisfied until they had been assured whether or not main deck, to bring it at least as low as thecylinder, thus he must beg to dissent from this opinion fur the
fact was
any warrant had ever been issued, authorising the open- exposing nothing but the piston-rod and the connecting- that it was necessary to distinguish between these donkey
ing of certain letters already mentioned.—(Hear.) How- rod, and he even believed that it would be possible to get frigates, of which the Hon. Gentleman seemed to be so
ever, though he did forego his right in order not to in- the eccentric rod into a hollow tube so as to preserve it fond, and others of the same class which were of a much
convenience the Government, he now begged to say from the shot of the-enemy. Now the steam-pipes also more weighty order. The fact was that the Eurydice
that he was compelled to make the motion, and should in all these steam-vessels were carried along the was of 940 tons burthen, and the general class of frigates
take the sense of the House upon it, for he felt it a duty deck about the water-mark ;so were the steam to which he had alluded were not more than 600 tons,
incumbent upon him to do so, and this course he had boxes, and it was altogether a farce to call these and he thought, therefore, that the opprobrious term of
the r.
intimated to tight lion. Baronet his intention to steam-vessels vessels of war. If they took one of them " donkey frigates" might be obviated by a little altera-
adopt, before Easter. Now, he had come down to the and fired a shot 'Jong her decks without damaging her tion in the estimates.
House, to-day, for that purpose, and remained there three engines he would never open his mouth again.— Sir G. COCKBURN explained by stating that
hour, and then absented himself (Laughter.) Now ha held in his hand a list of the these " donkey" frigates had been built before the im-
quarter s of an
foriahoutte or 6 minutes; and yet, to his surprise, he found steam-packets which had been lately built, some eight in provements in naval architecture had been obtained.
rn, though it was uot then five o'clock, that all, which had cost, each of them, about 58,7521., exclu- Captain ROUS said, to a certain extent, this might be
othnellTortesellha I commenced business in Committee ; and sive of the machinery. He had the bills at that mo- true, but the fact was, the Admiralty had been reduced
that, 1 - '' he should say*, appeared to him to be rather sharp ment—(Laughter)—but he would come to the ships to the position of cutting down vessels from their real
did think the usual that had been built, and here he would speak from per- grade to that of an inferior one, in order to obtain the
practice.—(Hear, heat.) He.
arievances before goinc, sonal knowledge. lie had been on board of the Centaur, effective benefit of their qualities ; for instance, a vessel
practice was to discuss . Hshould "
Ile be the day before yesterday, and he found that she was in of 900 tons burden had been reduced to one of 600 ; line-
into Committee of Supply.
this House the same category with the others; but it was not yet of-battle ships. had been made frigates, and frigates had
sorry that any course should be adopts.. by
f.doors• too late to alter her, and to give her stern guns on the been changed into corvettes. He would adduce this one
that would be likely to create any excitemen:2ut O
but he could not help saying that it was not route fair' main-deck. He believed they were all pretty near the instance—that of the " Penelope," which, from a frigate
to have acted towards him in this way after wha: he build of each other.—(Hear, hear.) The Govern- of first-class character, had been extended into a
said in reference to this subject before Easter.—(Hear.), meritt had at last, however, appointed Mr. Pil- steamer.—(Great laughter.) Now he thought such a
build (Sir Charles
e_ tier toa
__steam-boat,
Sir ROBERT PEEL trusted that the Hon. Member 1 and he C sum as 1,273,000/. ought not to be expended without a
would not persevere in his present motion, or that he Napeeh) would call it the first steam-boat they had cp. full knowledge of the facts which required it being ex.
would not take the sense of the House upon it.—(Hear.) in't ca to the purposes of war, as upon it they could plained to the House. With
.respect to line-ofhattle
At the same time, he begged to assure the Hon. Member, point: -four guns aft and two for'ard. They could also have skips, he must say that the business was better observed,
that there was not the slightest intention on his side of two swi.,"ellitins Gentleman the
Such
from the fore deck. On the but he could not forget—and if he had forgotten, the
the House to take any unfair advantage of him. authority o.would have reminded
sucu men as Mr. Pileher, he was willing to observations of the Right Hon. Secretary
him—that no
Mr. WAKLEY—I was absent only five or six mi- undertake a Oat deal of responsibility. He would not to the Admiralty
ets vessel for the purpose of enabling less a sum than 200,000,0001. had been expended since
notes. hesitate to deeper
Sir ROBERT PEEL begged to assure the Honour- her to carry two huutire:d tons of coal additional. He the peace in the conservation of the navy. He perfectly
of iron steamers, as in the recolle tied the observations of Mr. Pitt, shortly after the
able Member that no intention whatever existed approved of the builuana eas one of the first to build peace of Amiens—that it was necessary to render this
to take the advantage of him he appeared to ap- case of the Vulture ; for he ab arst to cross the Channel country perfectly independent of all foreign powers in
prebend; but every Hon. Member should be an iron steamer, and he was the
a.
resent constructed ho the way of naval architecture and appointment, and, in
eofretthueindsolcvkaahrdhsa;danhdeenhegrdaindtnedot
to
othitnhke aware that it bad been determined on to commence the in one. But as they were at at 1806, he had moved the appointment of a Select Committee
public business at half past four o'clock.—(Hear, hear.) thought that they were dangerous.. .
Besides, he begged to say in addition, that it was membered, that if a shot passed throu- It was to be re-
tt•-ood ; and he, statesam
ahhe whole state of universal war, should be refused in the impression of her Majesty's Ministers that the iron would not be so easily plugged aLs'
.should be a Prime Minister in 1806, when the country was in a
o', iron plates. the
tohnatththee
Hon. Member did not intend to persevere with his therefore, should recommend that there
th 1845, when
motion. He also begged to assure the Honourable considerable quantity of timber along -lend the country was in a state of peace. At the present
Member, that after the notices of motion length. between wind and water.
ex eriment of passing ,a moment, we had 306 vessels, including 88 'sloops and
ha I been read to-day, five or six minutes elapsed the Gallant Officer to matoetr
the
y presult. It bad been other smeller vessels, and 21-frigates. At that time—
before his Hon. Friend the Secretary of the shot through a steamer He woeuilrer ;morn,
for a-Committee ; but after the the' time to which he referred—there was no less than
Admiralty moved that the House do go into Committee his intention tho o_
miser were some of the line, and some
of Supply.—(Hear, hear.) Again he begged to assure statement whic hmadvbeeen made in that House, he really 1,100 yessels pf one sort or other in commission. Of
gentlemen who were out of office, of the lowest class were 50 gun frigates. Now, he held
the Hon. Member that there was not the slightest wish thought itwould not hurt the dignity of the admirable these, a great /le
to take any advantage of him, and he (Sir R. Peel) row of those navy in the hihest esteem. In
hoped he did not think so.—(Hear.) if they were to orderg a commission to inquire whether the surveyor 0f ate,'
1841 to 1844, it would
be advisable to give a full
Mr. WAKLEY could only state that it was intimated the exisu ,the navy in every class of to sail,
(ICKBLTRN who s s •
rG. Co , - P,O low a tone of statement of the stale ot .
to him as he came into the House that sharp practice had St "rig system was the best.
nditure of 100,000/. would be
voice as to be scarcely audible line the gallery, said, and he believed the exp..
been adopted in his case.—(Hear, hear.) if it were necessary to
Sir CHARLES NAPIER said if his Hon. Friend had lie thought his Hon. and Gallant Friend ought to have little thought of by the conin't7
iven notice of the various subjects which he had put. the navy in, an effective.
,state ; and to render the
reason to complain, he thought he had still more so. He g
d tl con i 1 t.
d brought un er le s e era ion of service was effective
had only left the House to secure a
heatr, the House. With pt ople satisfied that their favoutitea
For these reasons,
although he ran back as fast as he could, undathe regard to the steam navy, he would state that it was in every portion of its department'. • .
gm experimental
established at a time when the 'of '
Speaker had left the chair. Nobody regretted more st stem steam invitee- he was exceedingly happy to find that
el he trusted
so we nn erstood as it was at present. squadron was about to be sent to sea ;au .
than he did the retirement of the Right Hon. Gentle- tion wasnt 11 d
tary When then present (3 overimen
man the Secretary at War from the office of Secre .. _ , t came into office, the that if three months were not sufficient that to would
to the Admiralty. He believed it was very generally principle upon which steam frigates were built was that take six to establish the respective qualitiese of th' ships
experinecental
admitted that no man had peformed the duties better of having the machinery above the level of the water. of the squadron. He ha h
find
agale of wind. and
than he did. The Right Honourable Gentlemen He believed that the Peri elope war steamer was one o squadron had not been able to _
..
di3played great zeal and ability while lie held that office, the best. and most serviceable in the service, and he could that they had sailed with
tole their canvas set, and the
and he thought he had fully earned his promotion. If not but think that the employment of such steamers must occasiorelly double reefed -sails had been
,used_,_‘t,vhheen_
anything could remove the rteret which he entertained be beneficial to all parties. In those steam-vessels, the in fact they ought to have been under royaths. Il
an losing that Right Honourable Gentleman, it was the whole of the teachinery being under water, it was as licved that large ships were thefit verLNtshoiretu:it col which
' and ho
pieeesure of seeing installed into the office the present safe as magazine stores. He could essure the Howe that coula poseibly be used by olc
new e,ecretarY to the Admiralty, who had just made a the Admiralty had not failed in giving encourageenent to was anxious that men Net,
bestsr. _be ''ed . U3s.' effective,
possible eaucation. Instead
most able and excellent statement. He did not believe projectors in the art of ehip-building, and everybody officers should,, have th .
1 f the line, he would have
the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Governmeot who suggetted an improvement in the construction of of the ten lazy'
ceuld have selected a more coznpetent or efficient, person ships to the Board of Admiralty, had a fair trial. twenty, and those lisealwoHou halohke the best possible
en led to understand
to fill that offiee.—(llear.) Ho was extremely happy He felt very much obliged to the Gallant Officer oppo- school for young officeris4;_
il
to find from the statement of that Right Hon. Gentle- site ten C. Napier) fee the suggostions—the valuable that the Admiral to wh. di t e 110 and- Gallant Me m-
, Now he
man that they were going to have an experimental suggestions—he • d had been sixty years in the nave.
on—of high
when that
squadron, and he hoped squadron went to sea he always most anxious to take . - e
had made ; and the Admiralty would tier referre . -
te expert-
it would be commanded by an officer who would look (Hear, hear ) lit thought rig
anventaee off them.— knew him to be a man of first rate educati .
it • ht to state wer, attainment in his profession, and of consum.ma
oft hat
out for a good squall or bad weather to try the cepa- that Mr. Finches dec:'
hilities of the new ships belonging to this country.— lions of the G allant Offi ' was insufficient to prove a case which
ned to carry out the rccommenda- ence; but still he thought that the experience
In respect to our steam Gallant Officer .
wareof
(Hear.) Bath%) they proceeded to vote immense navy, as compared with tcl'sil -.a hesicall ' bad. He (Captain Rous) was a , t
et- neighbours, lie esti- was intri , . e _
iti h
aline thr the 1120 0 the navy, be must take the mated them as three to "- "-. • navy had 30,000 hie Bervicee in 'the eat ..
two—our steffue ~ terrauesn, but still he mut