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Those by whom the Noble Lord was supported and surrounded,
were in the habit of saying that the agricultural interest
was predominant, and agriculturists had even been accused that
night—" God knows how fruitlessly," exclaimed the Hon.
Member—with havinv great interest with the R.ght Hon. Ba-
ronet.—( Great laughter.) A few years ago the Noble Lord
hiraself said that he thought it right to give the agricultural
interest a predominance. The Noble Lord shook his head ;
but, after a diligent search (Loud laughter) —he
could assure • the Noble Lord, though his me-
mory might be imperfect, there Were several Ho-
nourable Gentlemen on both sides of the House who

had heard the decimation, although having made so many on
the subject it was not surprising that his memory should fail
him.—(Laughter.) On bringing up the report on the address,
in the year 1837, the Noble Lord said :—" Sir, at the time
when the Reform Bill passed, I stated my belief that it must
necessarily give a predominance to the landed interest ; and al-
though it may be deemed that such predominance has been
somewhat unduly given, I still think that a predominance in
favour of that interest tends to the stability of the general insti-
tutions of the country." The Noble Lord had shown by his
language this session that the agricultural interest had nothing
to expect at his hands.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Ba-
ronet (Sir R. Peel) had stated that he was touched with the
representations made to him by the deputation from the agri-
culturists. As there was no effect, it must have been a
very light touch ; yet be had no doubt that when a
dissolution took place, that great and important interest would
re-appear in the shape of advertisements and addresses to con-
stituents.—(Laughter.) An Hon. Member helot him (Mr.
Miles) had signified his intention of testing the sincerity of
those who professed sympathy with the agricultural interest, by
bringing forward a motion on behalf of that great expiring in-
terest.—(Laughter.) It would then be seen whether the agri-
culturists were to have no share in the taxation of the country.
He could only say, that if no other Hon. Member should do so,
he intended to give notice of a metiou to extend the operation
of the property-tax to Ireland. He thought at any rate that
he would have the support of the Chancellor of the Exchequer
in such a motion. In fact that Right Hon. Gentleman had
himself some years ago advocated a similar proposition. The
Hon. Gentleman here quoted an extract from a speech of Mr.
Goalburn, in which that Right Hon. Gentleman advocated the
policy of extending the income-tax to Ireland as well as Eng-
land. He (Sir John Tyrrell) thought it behoved that
House to extend the tax to Ireland. The Ripe,
Honourable Gentleman the Member for Dungarvon
might say that there was no machinery by which to collect the
tax. This might be true with reference to the year 1816 ; but
now they had got the machinery of the poor-laws in Ireland,
and there could be no difficulty. He thought it was unjust
that such a man as Lord Hertford should be allowed to extract
30,0001. or -10,0091. a year to spend in Paris or Naples, with-
out paying any tax whatever.
The Marquis of GRANBY, who spoke from beneath one of
the side-galleries, and who was very indistinctly heard, was
understood to express a hope that the Right Hon. Baronet at
the head of the Government would realise the anticipations
which he had formed. He admitted, as had been often stated,
that the agricultural and manufacturing interests were blended
—and that when one was benefited and alleviated, the other
was also benefited and alleviated. Three years ago there was
great distress in the manufacturing districts, and if the Go-
vernment held out to them this language, " We know you
are in great distress, bat that is not owing to the Govern-
meet, it is owing to disturbances in the affairs of America,
and accidental causes. We therefore cannot relieve you, but
we purpose to take the duty off malt, and though
we do not directly benefit you, you will be benefited
indirectly."—lf the Government held out such language
to the manufacturers he thought the manufacturers would be
justified in shying yeu do net use us well.—(Cheers.) The
agriculturists were now in the condition the manufacturers
were in then, and yet they were only relieved indirectly by re-
moving the taxes that pressed upon industry.—( Hear, hear. )
He did net agree with the Hon. Member for Northampton, or,
as some had said, the Right Hon. Gentlemen would give them
up. He believed that the Right Hon. Gentleman thought that
agricultural distress was owing to temporary causes, and that Rite
thought it was owing to any serious evil, he would be ready to
apply a legislative remedy to relieve it.
Mr. COLLETT could not support the Right Hon. Gentle-
man the Member for Bath. It was too much the case with
the Legislature heretofore, to make the poor man still poorer,
and the rich man richer, but the measure of the Right Hon.
Baronet went in an opposite direction. He highly approved of
the remission of the taxes made by the Right Hon. Baronet.
Mr. ROEBUCK replied. He said, that every person who
spoke on his side of the House condemned the property and
income-tax, with the exception of the Hon. Member for Ken-
dal, who condemned it however for three years, and wished it
to be permanent. But every person declared that the
tax would be permanent, and every person said he was opposed
to a permanent property-tax, thereby he condemned the whole
tax, and yet each and every one said he would vote for it.
Mr. C. BULLER rose amidst load cries of " Divide,
divide." lie said he would not occupy the House long. He
was aware of the odd position in which they were placed who
voted for the tax as pointed out by the Hon. Member for
Bath. It seemed the universal opinion on his side of the
House, with the exception of the Hon. Member for Kendal,
who thought they would get rid of an injustice by making it
perpetual—( Hear, hear)—but, with that exception, it seemed
to him that every person was of opinion that the income-
tax would be unbearable if it was to be con-
tinued as a permanent tax. Nothing could induce him to
vote for the continuance of that tax, though he ad-
mitted it might be submitted to for a temporary purpose.
After the debate to-night it would be an insult to tell any one
that this tax was to be regarded as anything but a permanent
tax. He had never heard the temporary nature of the tax put
forward in more faint terms than it had been by the Govern-
ment,--( Hear, hear.) He asked the House not to attend
to the assurances of the Right Honourable Baronet, but
to say that the Budget was such that it was impossible
to suppose that at the end of three years the tax would be
taken off. The Right Hon. Baronet had gone so headlong
into the subject this evening that it was to be supposed that
they would have a most glorious revenue if they had no taxa-
tion at all.—(Cheers and laughter.) What was it that had
caused the present favourable state of the country ? Why,
two good harvests and a continuance of the American
trade. He called upon the Chancellor of the Exchequer to
stand up and insure two more good harvests and
a continuance of the American trade,—(Cheers.) If such an
event was to take place, the country would still be prosperous.
If they were for a permanent tax, they must support the pre-
sent measure, for they might depend upon it it would be so,
and then it became them only to modify it, and make it as
bearable as they could. He trusted that they would not be called
upon to express their opinions by a division on the policy of an
income-tax that night. After the debate of that night, he should
nut consider himself concluded, but at perfect liberty to pursue
any course he thought proper. He should support the amend-
ment of the Hon. limber for Beth.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Commit-
tee divided, when there appeared—
Fur the amendment 55
Against it ..
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Ala ~
Mr. ROEBUCK said he would move that the provisions
of the income-tax be extended to Ireland.
Mr. SHELL said he congratulated the Hon, and Learned
Gentleman on his abruptness, and he was glad that the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman had an opportunity of reading Ed-
mund Burke's spee,h on the conciliation of America.—( A
laugh. )
Lord HOWICK could not think the Hen. and Learned
Gentleman was serious in this matter.
Mr. ROEBUCK was quite serious.
Mr. CUR TEIS said he thought the Chairman ought to re-
port progress and ask leave to sit again.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER suggested
the propriety of at once coming to a decision on the matter.
Air. ROEBUCK did not think the House should be hurried
on so important a matter.
Mter feW words from Mr. WlLLsams and Mr. SMYTHE,
Sir ROBERT PEEL expressed his decided opposition to
the imposition of an income-tax on Ireland—the stamp duty
had been increased on the faith that the income-tax should
not be imgesed.
Lore.v liN RUSSELL quite agreed in the observations of
the Right Hon.' (..leetleman, and thought it was better to post-
pone the consideration of the matter to Wednesday next. He
wished to know whoa the question of the sugar duties would be
introduced.
Sir R. PEEL was understood to Fly All Friday next.
The House then resumed, and the Chairman reported pro-
gress and asked leave to sit again on Wednesday.
DARTMOU TH ELECTION.
The SPEAKER announced that the securities for prose.
cuting the petition against the return of Mr. Somes, for the
borough of Dartmouth, had been completed.
The House then adjourned at Twenty Minutes past One.

ON

THE COURT AT BRIGHT
BRIGHTON, MONDAY, FEB. 17.—Her Majesty and the
Princess Royal, attended by Dowager Lady Lyttelton and
Colonel Buckley, the Equerry, took a carriage airing this
morning along the Cliffs,
Her Majesty and Prince Albert drove Out this afternoon
in a pony chaise along the Cliffs, attonded by Col- 1340iley
and Colonel Wylde.
Prince Albert, attended by Mr. G. E. Anson, walked out
this morning along
Sir Robert Peel left the Palace for London this morning.
The Venerable Archdeacon Wilberforce took his departure
at three o'clock this afternoon.
The dinner party this evening, besides the royal suite,
comprised the Countess Granville, Major the Honourable
henry Craton (Inniskilling Dragoons), and Mr. and Mrs.
Ormsby Gore,

RAILWAY MEETINGS.--CAUTION.--The Comnii-
sloners of Stamps and Taxes have issued the tbllowing fictive respect-
ing proxies used at railway meetings:-" Stamps and 'faxes, Feb,
10, 1845.--The Commissioners of Stamps and Taxes, finding that
proxies to citable persons to vote at meetings of railway and other
companies are written, in some instances, on unstamped paper, think
it right to give public notice of the law with regard to such instru-
ments. By the Act 7 Vic., c. 21, the duty on an instrument for ap-
pointing or nominating a proxy is reduced from 30s. to 2s. Gd. By
the 6th section of that Act it is provided, that any such instrument
shall authorise the proxy to vote upon any matter at any one
meeting of the Proprietors or Shareholders of or in any
eon-Many or society, the time of bolding whereof shall be specified
in such instrument, or at any adjonrlittleitt of such meeting,
and that no such instrument shall be further or o.iierwiso available,
anything in such instrument, or in any Act of Parliament, to the
contrary notwitstanding. By the 7th section it is enacted, that It
shall not he lawful for the Commissioners of Stamps and Taxes, or
any of their officers, under any pretence whatever, to stamp or
mark, after the signing thereof by any person, any paper on which
A proxy shall be written or printed ; and that if any person shall
make or sign any such instrument under uly stamped, or shall vote or
attempt to vote, or act as proxy the authority, or pretended
authority of such instrument not duly stamped, every such person
shall tbrfeit or pay the sum of 501. ; and every vote made or given,
or other act done in pursuance of, or under the authority or pre-
tended authority of, such instrument, shall be absolutely null and
void to all intents and purposes..-By order of the Board,',
THE LATE ROBBERY AT MESSRS.
ROG ERS'
formation is said to have been received in London, from France, an-
nouncing that two men are in the custody of the French police, in
whose possession Were found four notes for a thousand pounds each,
that had been stolen from MesSrd• ltogers's bank.
LEWES ELECTIC.N.-LEA Es, MON Ph.Y.-The with-
drawal of Mr. G. B. Kemp front the field on Saturday evening, dis-
possessed this election of all interest. The consequence war, the
re-election of the lion. B. Fitzroy (a Lord of the Admiralty) without
opposition.
ANNOYANCE JURIES (WESTMINSTER).-On th? mo-
tion of Captain dolts, a return has been bald before the house
of Commons, of the amounts of the amereiamenta levied
by
by
each annoyance jury of the city of Westminster, duri
the years 1541, 1842, 1843, and 1844, &c. The annoyance
juries are sworn in in April and October in each year, and
each jury acts for Nig months ; therefore the return shows the
amounts of the amerciaments impeded by the first jury for only four
months. The juries have nothing to do with the levying the amer-
ciaments. From January to April, 1841, the ainerclatnenta hOposed
amounted to 44/. 10s. ; one amerciament of 1/. was mitigated to 10s,
From May to October the amerciaments were 621. 17s. 6d. ; four
autereienienhi to 41. were mitigated to It 2s. 641. From November
to April, 1842, the amerciaments were 561. Is. Gd; one amerciament
of 10s. was mitigated as. prom May to October, 811. 2s. 6.1.;
three amerciaments to 21. 15s. were riaAtted. From October to
Aprll, 1843, G 2/. Pas.; four amerciaments to li. lyere remitted,
and one to IN. remitted to ss. From April to October, S 6/. Ss• Pvh
amerciaments to 4/.
Mitigated to 2/. ; and from October to April,
1844,, 177/. 11s. Gd.; three
Westminster were tined i , amerciaments to 41. mitigated to 11. 155.,
and one to 10s. remitted reanit shows that the Inhabitants of
weights and measures.n the years mentioned 5411. Is. for short

aBE FOUNTAINS IN TRAFALOAII-SQUARE.—Yes-
terday a vast number of spectators were attracted to Trafalgar-
g pare, to witness the erection of the concluding Portion of the beauti-
ful red granite pedestal, which is to support the massive circular re-
ceiver, portion of the north fountain. The materials for the
so
are on the grotuid, stud both will, It is expected, •
completed a upper
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