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ree,oing, or to place rine obStacle or impediment
neent in the way of the Catholic petition. No ef-
fete' had been tivele to prevent.'es eoinioe,*oete de
r. costs Object, and it reielo yet ''
'r• presented as if
nothing extraordinary had happened. He perfectly
aei'eed with.an. Hon. Gent. that it would indeed be
a erievatice if a. legal applicstion to Parliament were
attempted to be prevented on any subiect whatever.
They guarded the right of petitioning when they
kept the Petitioners within proper bowels, and it was
only when that was neglected that the right be-
Came endangered.' The Right Honourable Gentle-
man 'concluded by saying, that the law must be
•obeyed and carried into execution, but that every
i degree of lenity would be ,shewn, • consistent with
tee init rests of tlte.State. a.
Mr. We ITARRAD said, that every time the claims
of the Cellulite were brought before the House, a
sometheig was gained in their cause. The , Right
Hun; Gentleman had now conceded one imporlatie
point, by admitting that those heretofore spoken of
as being bad subjects, were a loyal body.. He coo+
gramlated the. House, the Country, and even the
Rieht HEat. Gentleman h'inself, on, the Occasion.
Alter all that bad been said, could such speeches as,
his, and thateef the gallant General who spoke bee
fore him,. prove that the Catholics of Ireland had no
reason to be dissatisfied ? Was the gallant Gene!
nil proud of his rank as a General in the British,.
army 'Dist he might feel was an honour and an.
advautage denied to the Catholic ; and would he are
rueate to himself more undaunted valour, .led more
prefiemil skill, than could be found in any one of his,
'Majesty's Catholic suejeas ? Would be then still
say, while his words were•coettedicfed by what he,
weeding, (hate heCatholic suffered not lung which.
he could repine ? His Hon. Friend, speakttee of the
Conveation'Atte bed, well said the darkest part of
the Salute Book had been ronunaeed for ti:e purpose
of brinehig forward em •obsolete Act agairist the Ca-
tholics; . If that could be obsolete which had never
heeneesed, such w•as the Act in question,
.and it
was as itopolitte as it was obsolete .and dark. 'As to
whet had been 8,0 mildly the Duke of Rich-
mond would tarry it noir ex.cution, he would ask,
what •wootsl he carry so mildly tutu eeevetion ? Tilt;
Ittw ? Thee alitaoy tri en carried into text:talon.
Persone eireadv beer ordered to be apprele-ei-
edv tied was it the civility and, knuleess wee wince;
they were to be ci...coutiiti,d, to prison that was to
constitute this boasted leeey ? The fact he be-
lieved to be, it had been foie...; necessary to stop the
D.•ke Richmond and Mr. Secretary Pole. Hi•
beleeed it had been 'wood nectsory tee put a cop
to their prole ediegs, ir, creitequence of the interest
tt Isiah • the 11444IciOUi Pl/4-:UNOttage, UOW beldill4 the
EX,CtititO. purer,took 'in the tate of the people t.l
Leland; e hive pottered it. impossinte arty longer to
pro me the Royal sanction to such arb.: vary Inca-
ailes.. lie had a queslien to put Witte itight Hoe.
G,ettlerean, kieh he ChillieellOr rat (ht;, Exche-
q,ir), dexterous in his' ',dente as in his eloqiieoce,
tact not touched upon he would all:, had he not
seentheeircelee letter of the Catholic COOltilittec!,
in any of the Neespapeis previOter to art! departure
of Mr. Secreeity Pole for irelaeol
The Citetsceeteet of the EIWiIF.Q,UIM replied in.
the negetive.
Mr. Wlltrio4 iArt resemetle--The I.l;ght. Hon,.
Goals man said " tits."—He 'believed. him. Ho,
Ball tin doubt but that what lie had spoken was' ti ne,
but at the Hanle• time it was a strange and aiugular
tea, tient known to every one .else,
should not be known in Ministers, and yet the in-
emit lvlr, 'ecretery Pole. grrt to Ireland, he had
proceeded to adopt so extreordiutity a measure. A
Right Gentleman had mid them, that the
u bole Of his I4l3jesty's reign had beet) a reign of
conediatiou towards the Catumolics. There' was one
period of it. at Which some indulgence had been
talny,ll to them,. but eubaNueotly. it. had been ,at,
tempted to deeythat to the English Catholics w heed
11,id,been *ranted' to tee'Catholicsof Ireland. 'But
the Right Hon. Gent letuau had said no pima focie
case could be made out eeamst the Governimot of
Ireland, arid the law w no 11,cir 1.410. Thu Con—
vention Att had not passed with a view to the sap.
pressloo of such a coriventiote That aet of:the
elost) GjVel 011 t, which had been SO enrich ape
plauded, lie seould ,unt have expelled at the time
it had t.i4. ri place,' Ho should tint have • expeeeed
that in the day df conciliatiort it would have been
'impeted to Me. flay that .he. 61o:tided to violate the
law..fle sheleld have been of opinion that it was
.his wish •to . rake the seews at the Cat kiln s without
otrendieg a law', front the w bele of the 'ciretert-
statices. The Right Hon: Gentleman . seemed
alarmed at the speeeties.whieh had been made and
diffused dame.* !wheel, Why, surely, it 'did not
require the sekee tenee rat litts wolf Hon. Frietid, to
prove, that if tlit ir tenision 4'34 noteruffered thus. to
evaporate,' 115 eieeas 'Acis:l,4l be the more to be
dreaded:. It . they tie bid them to debate, they would,
drive them to CORSpil She- ly this' muse be known
but known, it was not of service ; for the Right
pore Gentlemeri had Risen a bond, lied sealed
with his honour, pever to concede any thing to the
Celiac body. Wes, there a -law ill England to'
prohibit persons fonn expresSing their sentheents
Lot l<olic P4eesticipation ? .No why: Then was such
e law to tie introdeced• into Ireland ? Itle wished
for all the ieforination they could have, that they
might see whit tire 'wetted Of Guvernment had
been, and by what that coedu6l was sanetioped, that
the whole might be followed up by some ulterior
motion. -

The cuANCEi.LOR of the, Elicntountt wished to
be allowed to altSWOr' one point in the speech ot the
Ef Geptlettro. He :bad stated Inn to nave
xiven a bond, sealed with his honour,' that he would
never concede any thir to the Cotholicti of Ireland.
He bad never entered into any htind but by the sett-
mums v.ihie.th lie bad delivered in that. House, which
he hint repeatedly stated to be, 'that in the present
rate of liviand, Catholic Emancipation could not
be granted. If the sentiments so expressed, were
the hold of which Jim Hnnourable::Gentlemati had
spoken, he was COOttlit to it said he had given
such a bond. He was ignorant of having given any
other. t
Mr. WitiTintgAn said, he !tact certainty' meant
nothing but what had fdilen from the Right Hon;
Gentleman in drat House.. He had spoken with a
setelynee to tide manner in which be had come into
preclocesuirs went nut of. Office, he-
e,tuse %lacy vould nut giv•-e pledge:never:to lay
!he cLiima,of the ,C4tholieq atoin before' his Ma.
jesty. Thu men who .itucceeded wete, or-course,

understood to give that pledo, or the. Motnrch was
deceived;

'.be CH A '.Ol the EX.I-11-:Citliiit 1)3(1 gIVC4I-
- pledge ~n taking p.o.v,r. The 1-tolionrable
denial) might 4.1 y, it.. he.'plea.sed, the t fleet. of hi.r
Coming in under NOCII CirVulroilancei was.tinitaruount
to pit ing a pledge, brat he denied barbing given any
inct 'pledge.
• Mr. WittTaKEAD rose again to speak, which oe-
ca,lotted eonvtasation on the point of order, in
which Mr. Yorke, the Speaker,. Mr. ,Whithfead,
Mr. A..b,:rcrornhy, eiti(4 Mr, Ponsonby participated.
ft was at length settleo .by. another explanation Croat
Mr. Whitbread, „

Mr. Fut.emt oppos;.d the motion.
Mr. HtercierNsoN, rpie.ted the Hon, Gentle-
Man Was: so ignorant of theleal, ,state pt. Ireland ;
and he believed that..igeOrante was pit, confined
to that Hon. Gentlemap, but was, too, general
ananng those who dill .taut belong, co that part of
the United-K:ngdoin. wisinAl to know flow
Mittisters, witkther, they tne.ant to state that this ,
at .01 the Irish Goxernnumt had their sAtiction,
and ,whether that lett,r oh the Chief Seereary4ur
Irelond had-beeo approved ot by the Plince Re-
gent ?LB.: strongly oujeOed.to the law UrPti
that .measure was,,,kanded., mitt it' he Alieught ,it
ought not to exist, hp.mtimatO his.inteottoe, On
an early day, to movee its. repeal altogether.. Nor
did she t hio Covet tielert 'jestitied io•givieg ether to
; aud-couttiuded try supputtutg.tott.woi ion.
Mr. kut,Lua. •
Mr. l'oN;oeny-was, not a little.shrprisvd at. the
lion, (.3entlemau's (t\fl,r.`/Fullel) 12,,euing "P to in-
stold, the House on the Tulin: of order; he was
stAL.ksi surprise() at_ tbe :Him. Gentletteati:s igno-
rance upon, the stiejeet (if, Ireland, acid he should
have confined ten-melt ultfiely to he question, before
the ii4ll.Se., but ter the observations Of th Rt. 1,-Lei,
Gentleman :then to Ins eye, who said it was nolor-
Innate whenever the haijeet of. irel Ind was agitated,
it was tient:- in a Woe -ot ho it and lutempereoce
which waft highly ,pre judiefol,,atid that!, the speeches
in that House %Sete the cause of much of that
dissatisfaction aid irtnattOn in Ow rot ,of the
'kingdom. Thi.k ynest positively denied, _and;
nothing but the gi:ossest ignorance .of thn,re.d
of that country coeld give rise to such a. (.rite
elusion. Could the .13.11,;ht Hon. Gentl.enail
the: people ot ,were so Stflphl and
dull to then own injuries, as only to be Ofecied
,th4l speect's dek,led In that House? At the
eiceoe ot, the hi4ti. 5e,31,414 the Cominissioners in their
-Speech told them, that notwithstanding the lines-
s,ey Of the tunes, their taxes, were so judiciously
they would not lint:ll:err with the growing
pro,,perity,of Ireland---where this growing r.tospe-
rhy, was to he found he 'coold eot say,--was it ,that
rce.enue.of that country fell short dial' a trillion
of its funded debt, independent of its other ripen_
clitures—aud yet it was to the spre,:lies in that
Hoiiso they were to attribute those evils. The Mu-
Oc of:lre:laud know, without being told, their g+ I,:v •
:meet, ; they felt them and would resent thew, and
lie recommendedehe Hon. Clentlemen to be *.care..
ful: how they.peshed them too tar., With J'esped
to the questiou •before the ,House, he..centended
that, the G m overoont waa.bound show :tile neees-
shy, for the measures- adopted; by Mri.,,,Secretary
Pole, and urged the expceliency of giving every in-
formation to Parliaioeot upon this important sub-
ject. . , , •
Thb 'loot: 1,,(1. • • , 0

"' ,;).pr Mr. Vl'ai(i's,i4lotion • 4R
Ai.atti,,t- U, . . 8;
,‘Lij-nty . . . • • 2,7

Mr. W. WYtINg moved for leave in bring in- a
for the hotter discovery of bribery ;incl
ton in the etectio'h of 'Meinhers to here its '1).4
House.. given.
Tho Bill was then brought hp,; read a etr,it, and
ordered to be read a st:!:;olid- time on \Veduesday
next..
The Hon. Gentleman then moved that there
Sliotaid be loid before thti Elouse-copieft of Vvar-
rants' under the. Sign Manual tot: th..lS+uu of money,
since the 03tober.—Ordered.

The lionse adjourned ai Lialf-pa,t Nine'tig to.
inthriw (this day).

OLD; BAILEY.

CI49IItGE OF MURDER.

Ballad 11.00dthtirpe. WAS indit,ted for
.the
inurderot 3,4htia,Czickttt., on-the ei,reilig of the
9(11 ot Febrorrincallt, (&%://llielt,wound fir OW.

Mr. POOI..EY opened the case on the part of the.
prosecution. , This, hes:ate:l, tube a inn'tt intric.ite
and mysterious ,transaelion ; and as it . depended'
much upta the evidence of cireunivatices, he
begged. the particular attention al the Jury to
it. Much upon the evidence of the de-
ceased tlif)TiVIG WAS such sort of evidence as
WAS ailty 111111.1iSSib1e in certain citit:.4, ari'd
:would be
for his Lordship tonrcide whether it was athnissible
in the pci.ent: case: ...He. would: third:toe only state
his ease, as as its it was borne out by the evidence
independent of the oral testimony of the deceased,
which he refrained from detailing at present', as it it
were not to be admitted, he did not wish the detail
to have the unfavottrabletimpression on the minds of
the Juryi 'whicp it undoubtedly would.. :The
ceased (the' Learned Counsel, stated) was vfery old
and infirm, being 83 years of age, and the prisoner
at the bar was his niece; she had livuet with ,the de-
ceased for about three years past, in one of (WI silk
weavers' alms-houses, Shoreditch. The deceased
tsaa found with his throat .cut on the morning of
Sunday the inth instant, and the Jury would deter-
mine whether that was the act of the prisoner. He
Would not press the circumstances further than the
Court thought they might fairly and naturally go.
The Learned Counsel then went into the evidence
that .wculd be produced. •
Mr. Justice HKATti said, that the evidence of the
:dead enan'must certainly be heard, and it would be
. for the court to determine, front the other cifeum-
stanZeit olthe case, what importance should be at-
Aaelied to it bythe Jury.
William Holloway was the first. witness examined.
He vvas.a silk-weaver, and (het seer of the Parish of
INible4ind New Town, he was in the habit of
taking rnoley to the deceased weekly, and when.
hecalled as usual. at the ahns-house on Saturday
..evening the 9th at February, the prsooer took the
money. There was more reluctance than usualitt
-
admitting. him, and. whenshe was in the, room, the
prisoner itneucti as it Wishing to cOncoal sottmthing;

he then told her, if it was unpleasant that he stook)
bring her the money, she might henceforth call on
him tbr it herself. On Sinaday he received a letter
fitnir the prisoner, of which the following is the
suhstance : •
Mr. flottow Alt
" S I k --all{ sore dkor"ssed —1 gave my uncle his picce of
cake and wine the last thing before 1 went to bed, anlleft
the knife oat be stool by the bedside. In my first sleep he
irach.:Aibc,knite and Cut his throat. About half past two I
v, as waked by a strong antell, and upon turning round 1 found
in} self sit covered with blood; I will thank you To Came
to MU, s,.d advise me what to do. I ant, in great distress,
your's, &C. " RACIIA EL WOODTROK.PE."
Upon the receipt of this, the witness
,went,to the
liouw of the deceased with an othi'er, and inamedi, .
ately accused thr prisonero? the murder. Hethen
turned to the deceased, who was very itifirm,;tintl
had been bed7ridden for nearly six monihs. The
wounds, of the prisoner were at that time dressed ;
witness asked the deceased if he cut lit throat him-
self; to, Which, after some difficulty in articulating,
he aus*ered "6 No." fie tiles asked, if, h:s,stice
did it,, and the deceased, with much labour, replied
Yes." tle repeated the abuye quesiions seeral
times before. the ciecea,ed's dealli, and received the
same answers. Witness 160 4luiWn the deceased
from his infancy—he was ajittle ih,atre.seventeen
years ago,. but nev, r perceiNed, even a w'ildutiss or
huiry in his appunianc`c.siti, e. OnAns cross7eNn-
mination, file Wilne!o.4 stated, that,tt,e i:eceased lead
t woseplate allowances which ceasvd.„with his life,
and on which he and the prisoner svcte alone de-
pendent for a tivelihood. Tht prisoner was formil-
ly a tuantua-maker, but
her tune was since en irely
!Act) up by attending. to her infirm uncle, infirncle, 'ono in
con'iciinenc,- of his inihtnitics, alt: evert slept in the
canto bed uith hint.
• This was the pi tor ipal witness on lhe part of .the
, •
pro,ocution. Seaeral others wet e examined to con.,
firm hi, tcs imuyiy, and proved that the deceased had
made t;ie, same ani%V.4rs as are recorded in the above
ertaininaiions, to questions put to hint bydiflerent
persons and times, respecting hbw he
came by his death.
,
Sarah Satmders, who lives next door to tneyrt-
Soiwr,stiikki that the prisoner rtddressed her in great
distr,si on the Stinday morning,. and told her that
the deceased had in the night cut his throat, which
'touch tri.,,htened, her. The prisoner told her that
she did hut g,,t assistance .earlier, became, as her
tin(4lo was not dead, she (lid not wish to disturb tiny
body

te mare, "Beadle: to the Weaver's, Corn.
panYi confirmed the principal pact of the above tes-
timony, especially that .part of it, which staled the
deceased, before his death, to have lard the murder
to the charge of the prisoner. 'He likewise allowed
that the:deLeased had been mad thirty years ago, and
had heard, that in a fit of insanity he once hinu,ed,
hithsell, but was cut down before it tiliedeu his life.
Mr. Fos, a Surgeon, of Eishopsgat,t:-streeti was
sent for or Sunday morning to attend the deceased.
The wound in his throat was abpnt three inches in
length. He asked,hint if he did ii himself, and the
reply was distinctly " No;!': but when Ire asked if it
was the act of hi niece, the, deceased made no reply.
Witness ha,l, attended, the, deceased in his profes-
sion d capacity fur the fruit months ;he had never
seen hit, out of his bed. The dece,ised appeared
to hid . to'be, father Wghtylatelnand 116 amught he
could trace et 14(16
,variapcAin,his senses', The prj.
soner, in Isis opinion, had always behaved with the
greatest hemaitily lowards.her uncle, and took great
Care of !inn, keeping him :neat and cleanly. 1,0, re!.
ply to a question put, to him by the Court, if he
thought the ,deceased, in his ititifin state, was al.):e
to inflict the wound himself, the witive,s said lie, did
hot think lie possessed sufficient strength to do it ;
but allowed thin, if he were in a fit of insanity, he
%v9tllcl derive such an addition to his' strength, that
he might be enauled tv itlfliCt, the wound with
0411

Joseph Moser, the Magistrate of Worship-street,
watt swot 0, •and acknow,edged his signature to an
examination of the deceased, tatr.en just Letore his
death. "L'oiti tahen at the al i.s-lionse
in which the unfoitunate ,:hut lay. In reply to the
usual questitin, '' Ditl he intlia the wqund
Ilim-
seli i" Jae distin'oly articulated " No;" but when
he wa• asked it' hi, niece did it ? he twice answered,
" No," until he was apin interrogated on the. sub-
jeet,,whep he at length said "Xe 4.
Iloilo. ay was again examine 4. ,
stated, that tot Saturday, the
,Oth January, the pri-
soner asked hitu.to apply to , Mr. Holloway, the
Banker„from whom the weekly POLIMY was received,
for 01. as she wanted Ingo lint the country. 'Diego!.
was refused toper. Sh tli ii tool the witness she knew
not what to do., lie recommended her to go into the
country to go into the country it she wished, and he.
woult! ,ce that the dece;eied was taken care of. 1 re-.
tnovin`g him to St.pride's Workhouse, he might he
very coodortable with his Ili's. a oeek.
prisoner seethed much pleasild with this propgidl.
\\fitness, how ever, told the prisoner that she would
net, have the furniture of i‘er was all
he poosessed, as that hnd been willed away some
'tine to. Mr. Holloway, olHamptort-court, and
Mr. Holloway, the hanker.. The prisoner then
said, that as she could get neither the furniture nor
the 2(1. she conld nor go into the country..
l'he Prisoner in her' defence silt', that her uncle
could not hoar to see the witness Holloway,. and '
had directed her always to keep him rain of his
sight. The, prosence of I- had always struck
both the dece,ised and the prisonLr with terror, ever
since he had t hr,atened to scud the, deceased to St.
Bride's

Justic.e. made ft very perspicuous
to tlitt Jury, who, after an absence of three
(01. h tors 01 an hour, declared the prisoner—Nut
GO/iy.