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London, England, 1842-03-18 00:00:00

power•••-and o
ton whichlo
taxeswe ctooutlidi
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to support the necessities of a state of war—the 111
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ledge of that would have incalculably increased,
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though. partially and to a certain degree trenched on, :''..'.
still incalculably increase the weight, the name, the tan ei., ,
and.the influence of this country in a'l negotiations
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all proceedings with other nations ; and the pow-e sit:
the influence which this country may possess, which will
vioeliit ;,' nioeit,,urr:-.,
ought to possess, and which, I trust, she ever
us.,,
possess, as long as that moderation and justice
and conciliatory and mercantile spirit in which
this this immense power is wielded, shall entitle Tess
to possess it—and not an instant longer ought '`.` .
to possess it as long as she firmly, yet tliftsei
rately, it uses that 'power and influence, the contiesur.
of -,;
of which never will be grudged to her by any p
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the world, because all nations will respect the use ri,s%
makes of it. The Noble Lord concluded by moving_.4S,
first resolution:----" That a direct tax upon incorne,eo""),..,•
never to be resorted to, unless in some great ennitos,f4
of public affairs, when an extraordinary en"' res. '
may become unavoidable for a time, or in some
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sure upon the finances of the country, -which ea'
sustained by no other means."
his ,
RIP that
The Earl of ON was not at all surprised i,
Noble and Learned Friend had felt it to be his dutY.... ,
bring under the consideration of the House; inthe n);, ..
ner in which he had done, te very inar! to
cqounessitdi oenr
osildhoicr he i
rtohoeni
irs t
aLnooredssmh might.iopeshtn oro Bare
unfavourablehe. reef , rre
their consideration than the present occasion. He 1-iii
Earl of Ripon) well recollected the course talsenllee.
Noble and Learned Friend in 1816, when he ha' t 0-
ceeded in inducing the House of Commons to oh.jec.tio,s;
the further continuing the income tax after the eessfilfs
of the war, and althowsh speaking or that transtietin%tins•
mere financial point et? view, lie (Lord Ripon) migilioale
entertain the belief that the success of h's d to
Friend's efforts on that occasion had ciintribute joi
aggravate the subsequent difficulties of our tins,'chi;
position, he (Lord Ripon) could not think din:.
the
Noble Friend had not been justified in takitl7 }tit
course he did.—(Hear, hear.) He agreed w_.iltil as
Noble Friend- in all that he had stated so
to the necessity of reserving that which lie 'heirs .
justly. called a splendid resource for the time
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pressing necessity should force them to have rec IP-r ,lii
it. He gave his Noble Friend full Credit coning
conduct in regard to this znotion, f'or °done,
boldly forward in the manner Ise hail not!,
and avowing in the face of the els s°'
the necessity for this measure, the effects of which
(is°
well appreciated, and the character of which heihs,!ttett's
powerfully described. The Noble Lord had et-'l4r
that the imposition of that tax was neeesot ii
for the interests, almost for the safety of the 03 ,"" . r;f
Nobody could deny the general truth of the secs ,1,
position ; and there were many other things e°lllottii,
in those propositions which he thought as abstract troy
were quite undeniable, as well as many of the ilssl
ments by which his Noble Friend had supportediaot
propositions. But he must confess that he ettoDis
reconcile to his mind the adoption of these res°2l'ssit
in the state in which this questien presented ;or
There were many propositions in the clear, argunl-bic)
tive, and eloquent speech of the Noble Lord, from 1000
no one could dissent. No one could deny the I'4o
self-evident proposition contained in the first reOlcisri
to the House. He could not agree with his Noble '„-5, V
in thinking that it was a convenient, or a judiei%tbi
a practicable and useful course for that House. tiP°o4
first announcement of a question being brought ter or
in the other House of Parliament, immediately t4,iC
teed fo record a deliberate set of resolutions, wilt, r
they adopted them, might turn out ultimately to ui,,sl
consistent with the Bill which the other House ll'ttle
send up to them, and place them in the €loag 1
ordinary, he was going to say, the ridi°l3lll,
predicament of either being compelled to reject th3t,iisli
because it was not founded upon the principle' j`tse,i,f
they had solemnly recorded, or else to retreat froul Pt;
own -solemnly recorded opinions, and accept theisfe
without the principle, which they had previously dtelres.
ought to belong to it. It seemed to him to be ."-t so
Bible that business of this kind between theeif
Houses could be safely transacted upon that Pr.'llsoce!
In matters of that kind, connected with tan the
his Noble Friend laid it down as a principle thated it
had the right, having claimed and never abanch?linto
to deal with tax bills by alteration as well as reie„e Oat
But was it prudent or judicious rigidly to exerciser'
right, and would they not be exercising it in the
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inconvenient manner by resolving that a Bill IV,
particular subject coming up from the other 1s is',
ought to be founded upon certain principles? l'-isir
that saying to the House of Commons, " Nowto ; le'
we do not profess an intention to alter yourl3i Ife,
claim the right—we know that you deny the right',
don't mean to have a collision upon that point, but., ear
we tell you beforehand that your' Bill must coutsl.tiao
tain propositions. and be founded on those proP°9loloi,
or we will not receive it ?" It appears w 11 1 niel,
would be en exceedingly awkward and incooctios#l
mode of discussing questions of that kind in that Italie
His Noble Friend had referred to certain cases as rii- ter
to this. The first was that of Lord Grenville, en.i.,efc'l
tainly, he agreed with his Noble Friend that titer .te
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was 'any. an who more thoroughly un 0 ;gyp
the constitutional doctrines that belonged 4,3
rights,• usages, and privileges of the the two 14'403;
Parliament; nor one more unwilling to give up wo",_t le
right and just in principle. A Bill was broi.,;e4
the other House for the purpose of regulating tb,_,A,,elo
1111-(l,llaatoif]otrhdeGlireinngrilleNdoidw,wahsistoNomboleveFfroite7 iaalcslisf
ariterortdheßll33iollu'hoadllezie
dissented. iipfrnni the other II"se,0*: 11,,5e
The Earl of RIPON said that it happened .-aiv'
Bill came up the same day. But the House rejec.T.'
proposition, and that of his Noble Friend. v:,,tts
,u,
More incovenient than Lord Grenville's, -I"lssP•itra
Friend also spoke of a Noble Lord •no w,4° V,
with respect io whose public spirit and talentieftild
disposition it was painful to seems from haring,
beient
lost him—he meant Lord Holland,, . but'. 031,1
Lord Holland was not parallel to- this:- ' '11161040,91c1
Csmmons entertained a measure Iti, Ay
paying out of the ConSOlititited*. ~`" 14
lifill
for the purpose of increasing "the 1 Vitt? .v
poorer clergy. Lord. Holland did 114 sot ,•
a resolution that this was an improper Bill'osi v
moved for a Coinmittee to inquire whetherLv-ini I,
of
perty of the -Church itself, there' 'etsnitr[tios!;i
found the means of doing that which tlie'Cnin, 1,5,
sired to do out 'o? the Conssdidet6;;l si
That did not interfere directly or indirectly !s' '` I
privileges of the Houss of Cainimms. I:ll`s'issbr;c
nothing in that. Cortniiittee which necessarily' 1. goo
this House to dissent: from that grant'ls ,1(
case then . did ' not bear a parallel Is'isiPa
present one. He (the Earl. of Ripon) felt ceos 4. ti
absolved from entering . into the
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which his Noble 'Friend had enlarged. '' t e'''''
concurred with•his Noble Friend, that Parlittnion',l,o/1;1.
not to have recourse to Such a resource as at pr:gorr,
sorted to b:, Oovepment without the greatest Intirli is
necessitY, This was one part :if the Subject () sree'r
Ids Noble Friend had laid considerabletyht
He (the Earl of Ripon) did not advert to it f0r4,140
pose of discussing the matter, but he adiePre, be
because none of his Hort. Friend's restrietiong,A;Litlit
—he meant the machinery by which the tlrs,ibod, A
levied. His Noble .`siend had .des' ;',
hardness and tikq ' severity,, and 'in'innoll's• l's
the itkinsttoe to which persons might ' l'. Ado
IkONrding to the Manner in .'.'which tin,154.0 1171.,11'
*ion would be carried on ;' y'6V. his Nt 1 3Vi,
Ird no resolution
He thought lie might not' purPoolcleed?tallt'e'anyrti'.lBetnGtlliji;l:
the inexpediency of adopting his Able. Friew7,? 01
tions, and the cause he would therol;o.lo,St)
: their , .. .
to astornships, was to adopt the ,-to 11' oil.
the previous question, which he 'meant, !era; 10'
There was one other topic to which he WOli'Ll; Wi' IP',
that was the satisfaction which he, iv, coinni`:d lfec t`,
Noble Friend felt at the announconeut„.vones"P'
jest, through tho Minister, of her'Avi"l vos IV
6404 herself to the same burdens 111/‘,,,j
subjects, for the purpose of makil to I,,Ter
deficit in the revenue, which they had tall ile"
He. would say that he felt as strongly as theid I,l°o beo;
upon that subject, although he c°!l' P sA
scribe his gratification so eloquent.
,s,000;',071
iieved that there was nut a man, .r.re cel j,es
child wlis did not they that gratification. s`:„see V");
in another observation of the Noble and -I"e ill; coPof
relating to the feeling of other nations °of 0 160 e 0
.when they viewed the power and resourceis llo,coll 03
try, when such a tax could be imposeo, tell
n., go,ii
eace; he could not help thinking thats! 11.4 on
would be calculated to establighotiS .11y
Opinion of this country among foreigt! ' %febe tij,
would make them feel that we,sottP,,, *lse ,'
to be trifled with. Altogether, lierit, d,.st. 'ru'b'e,'
last to attempt to break the s'e, to,ao:j, i',l,e
liness and confidence which Aescrlnt, be . re,
and Learned Lord had so well "-del: whe's
which he (Lord Ripon) firmly h'ell ol""ell. (111e'
disposition of the powers of Europe, :0111ellig/r
The Noble Earl concluded by moving 0.1 -`,fl'-',:fn re
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tions,
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After a fev words from Lord BRO11"„e,
the amendment of the Earl of Ripon witifi.,',,;'''':iiie ro
without a division. ' Ain , i 1.0.1 it
Et ~lulill oft
EDUCATION IN nit ,-i0n:„.,60. lor
Lord MOUNTCASHEL moved fin.iitt ' er til
regarding the Board of Education in Irf a Qntil;t
Their Lordships then adjourned, 11t '
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