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A other tribunal, and consent to part with that
authority which the House ofLords exe.cised. He could
conceive that the House of Lords shoul I not object to
seeing them lose that authority—(Hear, hear)=but that
the -House of CornmOns should willihgly ptiii with it he
I should eery much itret: His presumpticn was in favour
of the jut tiatnit or the Committee; but lie would say
thOte ; he would admit that the Committee was right,
he would admit that there were twenty men convicted in
Ipswich of bribery. He would give them all that, and
yet he would not consent to suspend the writ.—(lieer,
hear.) Three cases of, bribery brought home to the
agents of a Member would jus:ify the Committee in un-
seating that ::‘..iterther ,' but the question of whether a
whore , eonstituency should lose their electoral rights
because of three ..corrupt men, was .a very- different
thing. Suppose the constituency consisted of six,.
teen hundred men, thirty amongst them were guilty
of. bribery, -anti they were told that they should
suspend the rights. of these WO. poor and honest men
because of.tlo corrupt ones. He never heard such a fri-
volettS reason for suspending the electoral rights of so
many honest men. To propose the-forfeiture of a fran-
chise was no slight matter, and should be done only on
full proof of corruption. -Be was required to disfran-
chise, by an Act of Parlininent, twenty individuals. It I
was evident that they could make no progress. in it this
session, and if they insisted on going into evident e
its each particular case the expense and delay
would be interminable. He did not mean to
defend these individuals ; the present Members were
honourable men, who went down determined that these
things should not take place, and this m..de him more
strongly express his disgust at the abuses that had pre-
vailed. Had the House demanded 'in the former cast s,
that a prosecution should have been commenced by the
Attorney cieneral, lie should have had no objeetion
to it, but as the Chairman of the Committee had not
come forward to demand any disfranchisement of the
borough, lie could not cc nsent to the motion. lie believed
that' the last election was more pure than preceding ones:,
and could not think that after. such repeated warnings
there would be +Mind any men so reckless as to continue
such practices. They were much more likely to attain
their end by visiting them with strong censure, than to
disfranchise fifteen hundred electors, for tha sake of
punishing bribery in twenty individuals.
After a few words from Mr. K, P. STEWART, in
explanation,

1. Mr. TUFFNELL explained the state oF the constitu-
ency of Ipswich ; there were a large number of honest
electors on both sides, but there was also a smell body
lof exceedingly corrupt voters. In the election at which
he was returned by a majority of two, the candidates
refused to sanction any means of obtaining votes, of
which they were not fully c,.gnisant.
The House then divided, and the numbers were—
Fur the motion
For the .inendment 32
Majority fur issuing the writ
The writ wes then ordered to be issued.
COUNT).* COURTS (SALARIES AND
' - EXPENSES) BILL.
The Report on this Bill was agreed to.
The Law of Evidence Bill was read a third time ani
',asset'. . • .___ . ____ ____ _ __

THE WINE TRADE.

We sif)join a more full report of what took place in
the House of Conn-lions on Friday, on Mr. Master-
manta resolution with respect to the Wine Trade,
which we were unable to give on Saturday, in conse-
quence of the lateness of the hour at which the sub-
ject was brought forward :
Mr, MASTERMAN then rose to move the reso-
ltition of which he had given notice, "That it having
been the uniform practice, during many years past,
to allow a drawback to the wine trade for stock in
baud upon the reduction of -duties, that this House is
of opinion that a drawback should be allowed upon
the reduced duty upon Port wine, consequent upon
the tariff to be annexed to the treaty with Portugal, not-
wlthststhdinir the transfer of the collection of the whole
of the wine duties to the Customs." He considered
it hard that individuals concerned in the trade should
have stock in hand when the dutle, are reduced with-
out an alloivance for the same. He felt.it to be his
duty to bring the subject forward _ from sense of
justice, as, if this resolution were not agreed to, many
persons in the country, as well us tho•• metropolis,
would be considerable losers. A- deputation had
waited upon the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancel- •
lor of the Exchequer, but the Right lion. Gentleman
gave no direct answer to. the deputation. He (Mr.
alasterman) was anxious, therefore, to take the opi-
nion, a
of Parliament on the subject. He should sub-
mit clause to the _House, in case the resolution was
agreed to. He hoped the Ilou e would support his
motion. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by reading
the resolution. •
The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said
that the motion of his lion. Friend Was one of en un-
usual nature. His Hon. Friend, by his motion,
called upon the House to express an opinion upon the
effect of duties which were not imposed, and conse-
quently not in operation. It would have been much
better if his Hon. Friend had deferred his motion till
such time as the subject of the wine duties came be-
tore the House. 'This was one reason why he must
oppose the motion, but a much stronger one was, that
if the motion were agreed to and a drawback allowed,
other. parties would be likely to come forward and
put in elainis with regard to other articles, the duties
on which were reduced, and there would be no means
to guard against the frauds and impositions on the
revenue which would be likely to follow.—(Hear,
hear.) His lion. Friend had stated that U.llow-
ances had. been made in other instances. • It was true
that such had been the fitet, but it only proved that
what he had stated would take place. With regard to
the silk trade a drawback had been allowed on the
'reduction of the duties, but the Government in that
case had suffered a loss of 1,500,000/. Stock which
was not in hand when the reduction took place was
forced upon the Government, and the consequence
was that a considerable loss was incurred by the re-
venue. There was no guarantee that similar frauds
would nut be committed in the present instance.
With regard to the timber duties, the parties inte-
rested in them were satisfied with the notice of the
reduction, and he did not see any reason why the,
wine trade should not be also satisfied, to whom due
notice had been given. They bad received notice two
years ago of the intention to reduce the duties, and if
allowance were made, the benefit would go altogether
into the hands of the wine trade. For these reasons,
then, feeling that the motion of his lion. Friend was
one of an unusual nature—that it was brought for-
ward at an unseasonable tune—because it pledged the
House to pursue a certain course at some future pe-
riod—believing that if a drawback were allowed on
the stock of wine in hand,, when the duties might be
reduced, 'other parties would prefer similar claims
when a reduction was made on other articles, and that
if a drawback were allowed there would be no means,
of guarding against frauds and imposition on the re-
venue, he felt bound to oppose the motion of his Hon.
Friend.—(licar, hear.)
Lord SANDON felt convinced that some course
ought to be adopted that would have the effect of
settling the question. It was of great importance to
the trade that it should be done, and he thought the
resolution of the lion. Member was likely to effect it.
Mr. AGLIONBY said that hitherto the wine

trade had been paralysed, and it was necessary that
some mode should be adopted to remedy so great an
evil. He considered the subject to be one upon which
the Right Hon. i-lentleman might express an opinion,
but as he had declined doing so, he thought the House
ought to adopt some measure to set the question at
rest.

Sir It. PEEL trusted that nothing would induce
the House to sanction the present motion. The pro-
posed alteration in the tariff had exposed all par-
ties to competition, and no drawback had been
allowed. If they allowed it in one case, it should be
done in all but the Hon. Gentleman proposed that
they should enter into a pledge to allow a drawback

in case there should be a 'retluctipn of duties. Did
any- one ever -hear of such a proposition ? They
were to pledge Parliament that if at the end of
the year there should ,be a reduction of the duties on
wine, a drawback upon stock in hand was 'to be al-
lowed. This was an extraordinary proposition.
Where would be the check on adulteration and fraud?
He protested against the Principle of allowing a draw-
back upon wine, while the same principle was not
conceded to other articles imported from foreign coun-
tries, and he Was
_suprised that his Hon. Friend the
_Member for the " Port" of London, as he had been
called—(Laughter)—should bring the subject for-
ward.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that the persons who
were interested in the trade in wine were under the
impression that a treaty had been concluded between
this country and Portugal,
but it appeared, from the
statement of the Right lion. Baronet, that no such
treaty had been concluded. The principle contended
for by the gentlemen in the wine trade was that which
had been acted upon to 1825, and yet no fraud occur-
red under the system as it previously- existed. The prin-
ciple therefore sought for here was that which had been
allowed by the predecessors of the present Govern-
ment, and he thought that seeing that the holders of
wine had suffered from the imposition of five pounds
per cent. being laid on wine by the late Chancellor of
the Exchequer, they were, he conceived, entitled to
the claim which they made to have this drawback.
Upon the whole he thought there was great justice in
the application made by the members of the wine
trade.on this subject, and he should support the motion.
Mr. 11AW... hoped non. 'Friend would not
press his- motion. He admitted the justice of the
'
claims made by the wine trade in this case, still, as the
principle could not be extended to other imported ar-
ticles, he could not assent to the principle being acted
on in their particular case.
Mr. Alderman lIUMPHERY thought the Right
lion. Baronet had made out a strong case against
the motion of his lion. Friend. The application
made on the part of the wine trade, in this instance,
was one that must be acted on, if adopted at all,
in respect to the publicans of this country, for they
being holders of wine, would be as much entitled
as the wine merchants to the drawback asked
fur.

And if this were to be the case, how, he should

be glad to know, was the thing to be carried out ?
They must have agents all over the country to see
that no fraud was practised, and this would lead to
the greatest possible inconvenience. Upon the whole
lie thought it was desirable that the motion should
not be pressed.
Mr. MASTEBMAN, in reply, said he had felt it
his duty to bring the subject under the consideration
of the House, and if the Right Hon. Baronet would
promise to give the subject his consideration he (Mr.
Masterman) would withdraw his motion.
Sir R. PEEL said he could not purchase the
H con-
cessiontt ta s
eseof
of the on. Gentleman by such a promise.
He could assure the Hon. Member that no treaty had
been entered into with Portugal in reference to the
importation of wine that could have any effect in re-
spect to the present application.
Mr. REDHEAD YORK E thoughta h
seeing thet n o
n ground
had been laid to justify the proposed drawback.
Mr. BROTHERTON also felt bound, after
the
o the
motion.statenient of the Right Hon. Baronet, to Op
Mr. MASTERMAN said, that
the House ,to be against his proposition, he would
withdraw it. . _

The motion was then negatived without a division.

Sir Richard Vyvyan has addressed a- letter to the
Editor of the Hest Briton, in which he states that a
Sir James
Petition from Cornwall, signed by nearly 30,000 persons,
ibinitwitntthriels it)ernsedhai.mlt:rmatuisonft tahied'erdarittfo; hich had
Graham, to be laid before her Majesty, on the 7th Ult..;
that the Royal Assent was given on the 7th, and that
the petition was kept back until the llth, " when it was
impossible that its presentation could be of any use to
the petitioners."—Devonport. Telegraph. ,

HEARING.—In consequence ofto
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great inconvenience felt, attended withir innujturbieoiunsg
ar.d which have come
tim(josittyre3mote
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spornois:eetllye.ssui
&lemons, Opticians. &c., 39 Albemarle-street, Piccadilly, op.
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part of the globe invent d e ...pee-
miles, as correct as if the person were present ; by ibose who,
have never made use of spectacles, stating the number of inches
they can see moderate sized print from the eye, and those who
are trokieg use of spectacles, by sending them, and making the
same statement when in use. Immediately the Newly-invented
Spectacles are placed before imperfect vision, that mist and
dullness which appear before the eyes is at once removed •
every object becomes clear and distinct, so that the most aged,
imperfect sight, becomes bright and brilliant, and is brought to
its youthful, natural, and original state. Their Sound Magni-
fiers Invisible Voice Conductors, will enable persons at an ad-
vanced age, and of forty and fifty years' standing of extreme
deafness to join in general convei sation, and to catch the sound
of a distant, low speaker, at a public assembly. They are not
in the least percept►ble, nor more uncomfortable than having a
small piece of fine wool in its place.. The Sound Magnifiers,
Invisible Voice Conductors, and Spectacles, are sent daily (by
pest) to various parts of the country. 39 Albemarle-street,
Piccadilly, opposite the York Hotel, and 76 King William-
street, City.—No connexion with persons of the same name.

N.B.

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Boxy
LEIG,
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DOWN,

4th
The times of arrivin
Del

later that

8 4531
430 E
'he Dowi
n their a.

Darling.
toll.

7 UM

DOWN TRAINS.

SUNDAYS.
15 OEI 6 19E
9 4.5 M 11 15M
5 30E 7 15E
Trains arrive at
rival at York.

6 1531
9 15
12 15E
3 30

330 E

UP TRAINS.

at 2-A- and

Departure Arrival A:rival
DOWN TRAINS. . from at :.t
London. Rugby. Birmingham
ixed, to Birmingham 6 0 M 930 M 11 15 M
hird Class, ditto
ixed, ditto
rst Class, ditto

Mixed, to Birmingham .. 6 0 M 9 30M
'I bird Class, ditto .. 7 0 1 28 E
Mixed, ditto
First Class, ditto 1 845
.Mixed, to Hrgby
"'AWL, First Class ! 945 1 8
Mixed, to liirmingham !11 0 243
Ditto ditto
Ditto, to Aylesbury
Ditto, to birmingha m 5 0
4 Ditto, to Wolverton
*MAIL, Mixed
*MAIL, to York, by Rugby 9 0

838

ill 58
112 15 M

2 30
4 30
7 15

9 30111
10 30
12 45E
1 15
1 30
3 15
6 0
6 30
7 45
JO 0
9 15
11 15
5 30M
5 0

*Alined, from Wolverton.
Ditto ditto
Ditto, from Birmiugham 1
Ditto. from Aylesbury '
4-M AIL, First Class 1 830 943
Mixed, from Birmingham 10 0 11 •17
Ditto ditto 112 Noon 123 E
Ditt.o ditto ll5 E 2.35
Ditto, from Rugby
Third Class, frost }sinning. 220 413
First Class, ditto 4 0 5 17
Mixed, ditto. 6 0 7 18
*MAIL, Mixed. ditto i 12 Night 1 23M
*3lixed, from Rugby
The Sunday Trains are marked*.
In addition to those marked, there is a Mixed Train leaves
Birmingham on Sundays at 1 30 E, calling at all the Stations,
and arrivini,. in London at 7 CO E.

8 '23 M

BIRMINGHAM AND DERBY.

.
!Depar urei Arrival Departurel Arrival
TRAINS. , from Bir. at TRAINS. from at Bir-
.
Miingharn.l Derby. Derby. mingbam.
-----I—'--
(MAIL .... 12 30 Al j 2 15111 IF *Mixed... 8 20 M 110 2031
'Alize,! ... 7 0 i 8 50 Ditto... 11 45 1145 E
I
Ist & 2ci 10 30 112 15E ~ Ditto.. 1 30E :3 20
Class 125E13 15 Llst SL2d ...1 430 620
1
i
Trains 1 4 0 15 54 ,'''' MAIL ...11 0 12 45M
111ixtc1....., 615 815 ij

The Trains marked run on Sundays, in addition to which
Trains leave Birmingham and Derby at 5 30 E, and arrive at
ei her place at 7 15 E.

MIDLAND COUNTIES.
STATIONS, with their Distances from Rugby.
Rcctsv, ULLEETHORPE 73-, Broughton-Astley 11, Wig.
sten LEICESTER 20, SYSTON 243, Sileby 274, Barrow 30,
LOUGHBOROUGH 3,4, Kegworth (Nottingham Junction) 374,
Saviley 42A, Borrowash 454, DEaur 491.

_ D 0 W N. f ! UP.
_
Departure' Arrival 1 Departure Arrival
TEA INS. front at TRAINS. from at
Rugby. Derby Derby. Rugby.
-__ _-- ___-' --- --
Ist 6 45M 9 0M i Ist
thi ...... 945 jI2IOE 11 2d
3d
4th 250 530 E 4th ...... 440 7 0
sth 845 110 50 sth 730 10 0
6th Mail 12 20 M 249 M II 6th Mail 10 40 12 50M
ON'SUNDAYS.
Ist
2d
34
4th
The times of arriving at and departing frord..l!lottinglun and
Derby are nearly the same: -.-

NORTH MIDLAND.

(IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MIDLAND COUN-
TIES, BIRAHNGHAAI AND DERBY, MANCHES-
TER AND SHEFFIELD, MANCHESTER AND
LEEDS, HULL AND SELBY, AND THE GREAT
NORTH OF ENGLAND.)

Departure from ! Arrival at
Derby. IShel3eld.!,lSheftield.! Leed?. Man. York. Darling.
cheger.
3 19MI ... ...... !! 5 OE 6 1951 8 30M 6 4031 li) 20M
..... ... 7 3551i1.
615 845 11 9 POM
930 10 45 1111 45 1 15E 5 OE 2 OE 5 15E
1245 E 2 OEII 2 4:3E 4 0 635 445 7 0
345 430 11 530 7 0 845 745
4 0 530 :6 30 Blb 10 0
6 0 730 1815 945
SUNDAYS.
3 19E
7 01 8 45M1 9 45M 11 15111 1 OEII2 Noon
3 OE 4 30E 5 30E 7 15E 930 8 OE
4i,„-* The Down Trains arrive at Hull in about two hours

GENERAL RAILWAY INFORMATION.