The Sun.
London, England, 1816-06-12 00:00:00

WEST INDIES.

Lord :CASTLBReAGII wished to direct the at-
tetitinn of two Hon. Members to the notices
which they bad given of !notions on subjects mi.!
sleeted with our West India Colonies. One of these
.'Stnottfor to-night, antllhe other for Thursday.
They
.would both embrace nearly the sansei line of
argument, and of course the smfourtunate event
which bad taken place at Barbadoes. Ildt ought
Ministers to be put in the situation of giving ex-
planations before they were in possession of offi-
Ishii information The .vessel which brought the
dispatches wag now in the Channel ; they would
therefore be received in.a very short time. He
had now to request the Hon. Gentlemen oho had
given those notices to consent. to their postpone-
ment to the corresponding clays next week. , He
did not mean by this to avoid inquirles ; on the
contrifry, he thought that it was most important
-that a sidijeet of that nature should undergo the
• deepest-investigation-. Lie only untreated the Holt.'
Metnhers to..:wait. till the-offiCiat. dibparehes had
been received. Ministers would by that time beaW
to express their Sentiment: more decisively,
and theiiisc-,,:sion would be greatly facilitated.—
' Ile shotilil also -kenture to recommend, that in
postponing their notii7.., they should not suffer
themselves .to be dragged into any incidental tie-
bate. Such a course at this moment would, he.
.conceiv4.ll, he more advantageous th all WtivS.
Mr. W 1 Leitat'oace bad no objection to post-
pone his motion ; but as the Noble Lord had said
the dispatches were in the Channel, and would
Ate received' AmOst immediately, be should prefer
friday next instead of a day next week.
Lord CASMIIIIEAGtI • obset red. trout the Hon.
Geritlentun must 'be aware that even atter the tbs.
patches ihould have beedreceiVed, it would re-
quire swat .llttle time fur Ministers to consider
their conteors, Would Wednesday and Thursday
Ile" week at/Utile Finn. Gentlesiten better than
the days' which he bad mentioned ?
M'. Is4ltitso [toper( that thediscussion of a sub.
jest in erhieb the safety of our West. India Colo-
jel Was inifiNttl) ‘ointild not be put off unless
better reastins were adduced. Hu did not con-
veive it neceisary to wait the arrival of the official
'dispatches. The facts were evident, and the
pinches could not change their nature so f.r as to
emtPer a present discussion premature. 11 re
°We Lord conicl not certainly doubt the indium-
Ileity of the Governor's Proclamation.
14ortl'CAVrtnataGit contended, That if rile sub.
Scret, was acknowledged to 'be of loch magnitude
sts to affect the safety of otw west India Colonies,

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1 it was eacturire ,importsn4itliat Miul,tk:rs
no! enter into into It without,gliicia! int.c,rinfi
11tr.,IN.t.u.sa,said, that painfid was' to hits;
tri postriote n discussion., io which be,coniderefl
that their.e)ings, and th,e interests,. ;mil the safety
of a consitferable portion of the 1441.iire were su.
deeply interasted, yet IT felt himselt,compellecl to
yield to a necessity which he lamented, and to
accede to the wishes Of his. Majesty's Minister.—
Ile agreed with his Ikon. Friend that a great de,
lesion prevailed upon, the subject alluded to ; atvil
as the best remedy for Mission was information,
lie could not but consent to, wait for that which
was expected.
After a levy words front ;‘lr. W, Smith, ;Or,
Barham (who earnestly conjured MiAtisters not to
lose a moment, as the safety of the Colonies might
be considered to he hanging by iiready, Mi.
Marryatt, Mr. A. Brown, Mr. Pannier. and Mr.
Broagliam, it was agreed that Mr, Wilberforce's
Motion should come on on the Wednesday; and
Mr. rallmer's on Thursday se'nnight.

CASE OP M. PERROT.
Sir SAMUEL, liostleLY said be rose to move for
information relative to the Charges against M.
Perrot, who had teen accused of having taken
the lead in an insuriection at the Isle of France,
anti who, it bad appeared, bad received such
treatment as was a gross violation of justice.—
Since his petition had been presented, be had
seen this 'misfortunate person, and he positively
denied that .there was any foundation for the
charges against him. He asselied that the dis-
position to insurrection was excites! by anonymous
letters that lad been distributed about the island,
but that no such Meeting took place, though the
troops were called out in apprehension of it. On
Bth September. the soldiers.ceine to his house and
carried away him'self,, his wife, and all his chil-
dren, some of them of a very early age, as pri-
soners, to a distance of four mites from his plan-
tation ; and the next, morning he was taken from
. them and carried thirty miles farther. After being
detained till time 19(1), he was sent ,on board a
ship, and transported to this country, without
having had are opportunity of communicating
with his family, taking with him' money,
clothes, or any necessaries whatever, He inskt-
ed, notwithstanding what had been said to the Con-
trary, that' he bad been as a close prisoner on
board the ship. -In this situation his only conso-
lation!was, that being a British subject, he was
about to be transported to a Coniitty where a re-
spect was shewn to the laws, and where every
man was thought innocent till he was proved Its
be guilty. As soon as he lauded be presented a
memorial to time Secretary of State, and a cor-
respondence took place, to the effect that had been
related in the Petition that had been, presented.
[The Right' Honourable and Learned Gentleman
here read copies of the correspondence. One of
the Letters from' Lord Batburat stated, that as
the circumstances which caused him to be sent
from the Colony had now ceased, he was at li
betty to return there, and was directed to 'repair
on board the Alexander transport at a certain
Mine. - till which period .a moderate allowance
would be accorded him.) The Right Hon. and
Learned Gentle Man then proceeded to argue at
much length, that this was a ease of great cruelty
mid oppression throughout for if' there was any
_ground for putting bins on his trial, he
~ought
either to have been tried there, or kept this
country till the nature of the charges against him
were ascertained, and not he told that he might
go beck again and be tried, after having
.sutfered
the inconveniences of a voyage of.threensonths
as a prisoner. Adveiting to the it moderate al7
lowance," as .it was termed, for his sinseort,
which was five shillings a day, he commented
in strong terms tyou its inadequacy, as hieing in-
solliciencto preserve the unfortunate matt, who
could not speak ,a word of English, from a state
of beggary, and a degradation to him, considering
his rank in life. Übe hail been guilty of a crime
of such enormity as an insurrection against the
Government, how was the Governor instified in
scathing him to dais country, without the charges
against him, and then leaving him at large, to be
disposed of just at.* Ministers should think pro.
per ? Irwas, in short, a violent. act of a. Gover-
nor, taking upon hifuself to punish a men who
had given him offence, and was in every point of
view totally nninstigable. The Right Hon. and
Learned Gentleman, after repeating all his previ-
ous arguments to this effect, concluded with woe.'
lag 'an Address to the Prince Regent, praying for
copies of, or extracts from, the dispatches received
front the Governor of the Muuritius, relative to
the oast of P. G. Perrot:
Mr. Got/Levan opposed the moths's. He re-
peated all that he had said tin the presentment of
the Petition from this person, respectingthe in»
Sni'Vectiiiii having arisen On certain attempts hay-
ing been made to enforce a strict registration Of
Slaves, unit that it was converted by an Alien who
had just arrived from Fronde into a project
Isar overturning the clovernment. He repeated,
that the dispatch from the Governor related to
other points, and only incidentally mentioned time
case of M. Perrot; but as soon at: his, memorial
bail been received, a letter hail been written to
the Governor, requiring him to furnish
iufurma-
tion of all the cherges against this person. Since
that time some persons in this country, who had
lately ,ctinte from the isle of lit anee, had
called on' hint, and said, that Perrot and others
had been regularly proceeded against in the
Island. It therefore only remained to learn
the Governor's reasons tar sending Perrot to
England, and he could not think that the
Government would have acted wisely or pro-
`perly towards 4uist Governor, if they. bad
complied with the-prayer of an individual (which
wati,.stated in one of his letters, that the Right
I-lon. and.Leatised Gentleman, had not, thought
proper to notice) -by recalling the Governor as
well as the .garage of time Colony, that he might
bring his action against them. The only'proper
line for Ministers to adopt was to require ail the
information that cueld be-afforded on the bah,eu: ;
and ibis was the course they bed taken, which
would enable them to decide whether the cons
duct of the public 4ficer* lied been wrong or
right. There were circumstances in theists-was
skis of Ministers which showed the extreme clan-
ger of time Colony at tint period in queation,
its coast-Talley of the Nepgul war, {soups had

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;teen seraGfr Intl! anti ikere were
2DO men in the garrison,, uteri pfi hem !.vere
..ilk in the Itospitel;,,enkln! laterk Ato.,o,yeht .such
causes %email he shown for titeee”eveyeer'sinnt,ers
ference es would notlustify
.in running
)leadlong into any proceedinjeaeageCilist Irito.,;„The
heo
flouonrahle Gentleman t proceeded to tiereud
the -casspluct at Government :towel:11s. M. Per-
rot.; and, advert jog to the pertinacity of thiePer-
son, in iesistiug that he had been kept unit treat-
e4 arse prisoner on board the ship, 1n obeerve4l,
that the assertions of an Officer (Captain Mackay)
of such rank in the service, and so distinguished,
deserved every consideration ; and he would take
upoe himself to say, that his replies either gave
fie:test contradiction in point of fact, to %Oust
Perrot Int& stated, or proved that he had been
guilty of the grossest exaggerations. So tar
from his being distressed when he CRUM on board,
he had with hint a considerable sum of money,
but being considered•Ra a dangetoes person, likely
to tamper n ith the men, it was deemed proper to
take it away from him ; but he was allowed to
purchase neoessarirs at the Cape of Good Hope,'
and he had, on board, the full, allowance of the
ship, during the whole of thesvoyage. No com-
plaint ever made by ;rim -during the pas-
sage, and the Only restrict ou imposed on
was, that he ahOuld not bring spirits 'into the
ship. The remainder of his money was
_O4l
over -to him on his lauding, in the presence
of two witnesses. lu answer to a question of
Sir Samuel, why this person was not removed
to the Isle of Bourbon, instead of being sent all the
way to England, the Hon: Gentleman observed,
that he Inel beer! in Bourbon, and had been sent
by the Governor. of that Island back to the Isle Of
France es a prisoner, on account of his turbulent
and troublesome conduct there ; but at the letter
island he was suffered to retrain in a state of li-
berty till be committed the outrages that caused
him to be apetehended. The Hon. Gentleman
concluded with justifying the conduct of Govern-
!tient in inquiring into the circumatancea of
the case, that they might not take rip chargts
against their erten officers, upon mere ex, parse
evidence ; arch in the.coarse of his observations
he remarked, that the Petitioner had at least had
an advantage which he could not have obtained
in any other.country—he bed bad a defence made
for him in that House.
Mr. WATSON TAYLOR hoped and believed that
the Governor of the Isle of Fr4llee remits' be able
fully to justify hini4l( against all the charges al-
leged. He (Mr. T.) bad the authority of two
olficers ie his alajesty's 'service for asserting, that
the conduct of Perrot at tire Isle of Bunt bon hail
been so improper that the Governor had deemed
it necessary to seize bite and hurry him off the
Island.
Mr. BARING was of opinion that no ground
whatever had been offered why these papers
shootd be refused. The Hon. Secretary hiosseif
did : not deny that this Gentlemen' had serious
groweds of complaint. The taking H titan away
front his family, and sending him to this country,
was not e subject for that levity with which Geo-
tlerueu opposite seemed to treat it. If' he tares
taken in a direct overt act of treason, what (lilt,
culie Was there in putting him 'on his trial there,
instead of -sending Wei here, where it wet (pike
.itupossible for him to be tried ; and he it now or-.
aleretf back again for the .perpose of being tried.
This was the ground of which he hapset!' cont.
plained: The Hon. Gentleman opposite bad said,
It hat Wit OClt' Very tilVoltrable to his case, by star.
Ingahat proceedings were instituted against this
before he lett the Colony. This ought tti
Make the House extremely jealous of the cohdrict
of the Governor, who had certainly acted in a
manner. For himself-
very arbitrary he felt pecu-
liarly jealous, ou account of all persons residing
iu oer,colunies, who were sebjected to the et le-
trary ciitultict of Governors in their little brief
anthority," a cputhret which made it high time
for the House to interfere. ,
Mr.,Baatio, Its a friend of the Governor, felt
most peculiarly anxious that no information should
he withheld; as, from his knowledge of that
Gentletilan, lie felt convinced that he must have
had strong grounds for the part he had Acted, It
was with astonishment and regret he found that
full information had nut yet been obtained on the
case. He had been assured that the conduct of
this Petitioner had amounted. to actual overt-acts
of treason. He could not however but observe,
that he had heard nothing which could induce the
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. (ioulburn) to oppose the
motion for papers; ; and he hoped the subject
would be thoroughly examined in the next Session
of Parlianseut ; when he - trusted, that if there
should be proved to have beet' the least shadow
of oppression, that the individual would receive
ample justice.
Lord CAATLROBAGII.-If his majesty's Govern-
ment were in possession of real information, it
might be incumbent on the Horse to look into it
but this not being the case, it would answer no
purpose to lay before the House such pipers us
would be inadequate to found any proceeding
upon. On these grounds, at least for the pre-
sent, he should oppose the !notion.
Mr. BftooottaSs.—There can be no harm in let-
tong the_ltouse have whatever information there
is; es it luot.been to•oight admitted, that there
was an incident's' passage in the last dis`patch
from Governor' Farquhar, relating to this
indi-
Witat'harm could tlwre be in teeing this
passage before us, 'svhethee long or thou The
Hon. Gentletnau continued to wee on the ales
stodity of supposing that Buonaparte had nothing
else i 9 thiek of, ditto to send immediately on his
return hum Elba; a special mission to the ohsture
colony of the Isle of 'France, andino where else,'
though there were so many other color-lies of
greeter importance. He thetecourended, that the
part of Governor Farquhar's conduct which
're-
quired 111081 instifieat ion, was his Mitten of an.
tinnily, iu sending this man a prisoner to Lug:
land, and the strongest conduct on time part of our
Otiverwount was, to suffer hian'immediately to go
at large. Therm two points demanded the fullest
investiptitse,
Mr. P. Money Suppnved the !notion- The l"-
structions received' by ?be Captain of the ship
wilco he receives' the persons on board, could and
ought to be protinCett. If the Captain bad no
such insteuctions, the Pet

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hil.ofiscrvittioti.otilyon the CaSe al stated i)y the
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the S,veretitty of State.
The litit'ise Oren ttivided-
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Atujority.igninst the motion •

8N1A1.1., 'ARMS MANUFACTURE.
Colonell',lLMr:itrose, to move tor aConnmittee
nilO the subjeet.of the, of small Arno
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by the Ordnance bewartmettt. He observed, that:
before 1804 the small arios of ibis department
were manufactured in Birmingham and London'.
Sioce that time the Board or Orduattee had este-.
Wished manufactories of their own. Thiistep be
should beable to prove hail occasioned great ad-
ditional expence to tire public', and had been in-
jurious. to a large class of manufacturers ; and he
hoped the Hoose would tliink these sufficient
ground's for an inquiry on thissobject. The first;establishment of this kind, set , on, foot b,y the
Oldnance Board; was in Adam-Street, near the
Tower ; bUt it was found to be so expensive end:
inadequate to it's objects, that it Was abandoned.
Another was then established at Lewisham, in.
KeOt, in the year iSOB. In 1811, the ComtniS-
sinners of Military Impliry reported that this este...
blishment had produced art eXpriice of 90,0001.---
Since that time a largeadditional 4:x pence hail 4(.04
incur refit.
,'l'lirsc boninisidoibers had given it as t heir
opinion, that it would not answer for the Ortioance
to snatitilactore artil4 of their own, and re-.
cOmmended that the establishment shOuld he aban-
doned, notwithstanding the expellee which halt
been incurred. The Board, who were unite-
quainted with the busincss,l»l been led into thin
eXpence by persons nearly as ignorant, but more
interested. Since 1811, the establishment had 'lot
been abandoned, and auto her had been established.
one more expensive settle,
,since the first occupa-
tion of Paris by the Allies. He. wished to ,know
whether the sum of 70,000 L which had been voted
included all the proposed expellee ? r For the
building itself he saW no necessity, when be kncw
it was confined to the making of gun-barrels, of
which there were 400;00 it; the Tower, which hail
never been used. •He,ticsides, coas;Jeredahe grant
of 100„.0001. for, thenitoMfacture small alms;
to be equally minecessary, as there were iii the
Timer and other depots through the country,
above FOO,OOO arms is /licit had lievtr been °sect.
The iii, tot facture of short cavalry carabincs wos not
called for, as that specks of turns had been eon-
deumed by r.rsolllb who were well acquainted
wrill the bubject, onitectnitit of the shortness Of
the barrels and the insuilicieney of the !twits. A
proof of their r being totall'!.inadepiate for the
purpobes inten.lcd, wits tiutlae tiOle 8140 SC6II in the
tentht'egi Foch t of ear,kybeitig supplied with
other arm,
manufacturen. Mr. 13,14er
.or
Whiteclntpel. That regiment found it impottaiblet
to tlischar:.:c litetr ditty witl;thek. carahines,
_end.
they. were conseqnently 9plieit with the others
by means' ot hid. qnyal 1-In.4)iness.the Pr -,ince Ite
gent. lie, ohjeete4l also to the competency of
this Brined to adt, from the Inalpier.Of proving'
iiiu
barrels at the ToWer, Which was.coudto-teth by it
person totally ignorant of tl e subject': from. tofs
little powder in Ibis proof being used (only It;
drams, whereas the Act of Charles I, retptirel
22), he believed many accidents had happened.
He was-Wormed by an Officer whir went over dm
fkiti or Waterloo willr a patiole on the morning
after the memorable battle there, that it was as-
tonishing to see thctoonner of barrels that bad
burst .and• were lying on the field. Besides,
there was not one straight liorrel in the service,
for as they were burnished Only on one side, tiot •
friction threw them a minter of an inch out of ar
straight line. He thought also, that the practice
of putting brown on the h.t:rcis was a means of
producing rust, at all everts it hid the deficien-
Thecheapness of the mannfactore was an
aygument which.hekoew would be adduced in
w et
support ; this, however, he prepared to this-
prove
by the most satisfactory evidt•nce. • The
quality must be inferior'to those at Iliintinglr.tra„
for it WaS ii4vions the anxiety of the board to
prove the economy of their t,ystein woura lead.
theta toless vigilance in the tuautifacture. The
raw materials, he could prove, cost more hero
than the barrels did,when finished at Birmingham.
He deprecated or, ail! these grout-ids the- inipohicy
and in; ast ice of GoVernmeot in attempting to over-
thinks' the tabu ors of, those individuals Mtn haul
contributed so largely to,the support of the war,
'and as a OiCattire which would oltioritely compel,
the disatfceteil mcehanic to seel*piotection ill some
more hospitable cutiotry. Ile Rinsed for a Com-
mittee to inquire into the itiatiagement anti t'
pence of the Stoull-Arius Munutactory beloagiog•
to tiovertunent.

AVAfiD at some length Opposed the motions
and statedthe.varioursters Government had ralien
to conciliate the manufacturers, who, he assured
the House, were now perfectly satisfied with what
lra*d.,been 'done. He argued that the supply of
arms manufactured by Government had borne no
*proportion whatever to thot.e made at Biriniag.
halo, an that henceforth the small arms manu-
factory won't) solely be applied for the purpose
of reintirin old arms.—( Rear !),--1-le did not
know, how; our army did, if their arms were stl.
crooked, unless, indeed, theyslon round a•corner.
(A laugh.)

`Alv. llt..,dnei.e (we believr) agreed to the esta-
-Idishment of the (40vertinte`ut manufactory, itS a
proper check over the manufacturers of Birming-
ham, but thought they wete undoubtedly tole
preferred as the best wort:turn.
Mr. VV. St4ITH th6ilglit liis Honourable Friend's
OtoHo)] ',kilt do to *eh good, as it would discover
most accurately the. Ativontagts to bye expected
11.(4tn•ttlis establishinent,; of 'which, how«
ever, he had no great opinion, -conuidering it
uterery, us affording tin opportunity for granting
new fohlries.

Mr., LYTTLitTON and Mr. \Vann explainrcl.
Colonel rAt.unut in reply, consented to with-
draw hi. motion on the asteurnace given by the
Honourable Gcntletuun, t bii ne%o Intlittifmettil y
being solely appropriated to the repair of n

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