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London, England, 1845-04-14 00:00:00

PAROCHIAL SETTLEMENT.

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Sir J. GRAHAM, in answer to a question from an
Hon. Member, said he would postpone the introduction
of this Bill till Wednesday next.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD gave notice that he
would upon that day move that the Parochial Settlement
Bill be read that day six months.
PORT NATAL.
Mr. HINDLEY asked if the Government had yet
appointed, or if they intended to appoint, a Governor
over Port Natal ?
Mr. HOPE was understood to say that a Governor
was about being appointed over Port Natal.
MEDICAL REFORM. _ _

Mr.' MACAULAY asked when it was intended
to bring forward the second reading of the Bill on
Medicarßeform?
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he hoped he would be
permitted to forward the Bill a stage that evening, and
let the discussion be taken upon another occasion, as
there was no objection to the principle of the Bill.
Colonel T. WOOD hoped that the Bill would not he
read a second tune without discussion, as there were a
great number of professional persons who were deeply
interested in the Bill.
Mr. HUME also hoped that the Bill would not be read
a second time without discussion, as there was no other
means by which the public and the profession could be
made so well acquainted with the Bill.
Mr. HAWES was understood to say that no prejudice
would arise by allowing the Bill to be read a second
time that night, and discussing it at a future stage.
Mr. F. FRENCH said that as there did not appear
to be any objection to the principle of the Bill, he did not
see why they should not consent to the second reading.
Mr. SHAW hoped the Bill would not be read a
second time.
The second reading was therefore postponed.
GRANT TO MAYNOOTH.
Mr. MASTERMAN presented petitions against the
Maynooth grant.
Mr. SPOONER presented thirty-eight petitions from
Wesleyan congregations against the grant.
Mr. LAMBTON presented a petition against the Bill.
Mr. CHRISTIE presented a petition to the same effect.
Mr. CHU 1E presented a petition to the same effect.
' Mr. ROEBUCK presented a petition to the same effect.
Mr. COLE presented petitions to the same effect.
Petitions against the Bill were presented by Col. T.
Wood ; Mr. Bright (53) from various parts of the
country ; Sir James Duke, from Boston ; Mr. T. Egerton,
from Warwickshire ; Admiral Dundas, Mr. Kemble,
from various parts of Surrey ; Mr. M'Kenzie, from
Peebles ; Mr. Cobden, Mr. Mangles, from Guildford ;
Mr. S. Wortley, from Yorkshire ; Mr. Labouchere, from
Taunton ; Colonel Wood, Sir John Easthope, from
Leicester ; Mr. W. 0. Stanley, from Anglesey ; Mr.
Lockhart, from Edinburgh; Mr. Ricardo (10) ; Lord A.
Lennox, from Chichester ; and Mr. Crawford (30),
from different places in England, Scotland, and :Jersey.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN presented petitions from congrega-
tions of Dissenters in various parts of Northumberland,
against the grant to Maynooth.
Dr. BOY') presented a petition from Coleraine also
against the grant.
Sir-W. CLAY presented a similar petition from Dis-
senters in the Tower Hamlets.
Mr. HAWES presented a similar petition from
Clapham.
Sir C. BURRELL presented numerous petitions to
the same effect from places in Sussex.
Mr. HINDLEY presented one hundred and thirteen
petitions, signed by all classes of Dissenters in all parts
of the kingdom, against any endowment to the Roman
Catholic College of Maynooth.
Mr. PATTISON presented petitions to the same effect,
from several congregations of Protestant Dissenters in
London ; and a similar petition from the managers of
the Sunday school on Fish-street-hill.
Mr. G. BANKS presented sixteen petitions to the
same effect, from places in the county of Durham.
Lord J. RUSSELL presented a petition from a con-
gregation in Hertford against the grant, and also a peti-
tion in favour of the grant from another body of Dis-
senters.
Mr. HUME presented petitions from Montrose and
other places against the grant.
Sir R, INGLIS presented petitions from Halifax,
Bristol, and several places in the Counties of Gloucester
and York, against the grant of Maynooth, and also a pe-
tition from the Presbyterian congregation of Carlow, in
Ireland, against any connexion between the College of
Maynooth and the State.
Mr. GROGAN presented petitions from the parish of
St. Nicholas Within, Dublin, and from the Protestant
Operative Association against the proposed grant to
Maynooth.
Mr. FELLOWES presented petitions from four
parishes in Huntingdonshire to the same effect.
Captain FITZMAURICE presented four petitions
from the Wesleyan congregations in Buckisghamrhire
against the grant to Maynooth.
Sir R. PEEL presented a petition from the Presby•
terian congregation of Newington, in favour of the grant
to Mayncoth.
Mr. PUSEY presented four petitions from Berkshire;
and Mr. GIBSON presented four petitions from Man-
chester, against the proposed grant to Maynooth.
MAY N 00TH—ADJ OURN ED DEBATE.
Mr. HAWES rose to move that the adjourned debate
on the increased grant to Maynooth be resumed. He
said that the increasing number of petitions presented
against this Bill, and the deep interest taken in the
question out of doors, would warrant him in
coming to the conclusion that this Bill was
a measure which was looked upon by the
public at large as one of great vital importance, and
Set if it should be only looked at attentively, and re-
garded as a mere measure of educational improvement,
he did think it would be found not to furnish grounds
sufficient to warrant the strong opposition that had
been offered to it on the one hand, or the manner
in which the proposition had been introduced
or received on the other. Now, let him ask, what.,
in reality, was this Bill ? It was simply
one providing for the better education of the Roman
Catholics of Ireland, and the better Government of
the College of Maynooth. Now, he did not think
that because the Bill had been so introduced, it should
necessarily be looked upon as a measure exclusively
confining itself to ecclesiastical education.—(Hear,
hear.) His own opinion was, that it extended to
lay as well as clerical education, for so
far as the Bill itself was codcerned. it ap-
peared to him to be one for the purpose of extend-
ing Irish education.--(Hear, bear.) And, sorely if
those who belonged to the Roman Catholic Church in
Ireland had not been permitted to share in all those
advantages of education so liberally extended to
the people of England, the latter could scarcely find a
just ground for objection cn that score alone. That the
state of the College and system of education of May-
nooth were such as were not creditable to the Irish
Roman Catholic body were scarcely to be wondered at
when it was remembered that that state and system were
ascribable to the fact that the Roman Catholics of Ire-
land not haring the means of devoting to their Colleges
that attent on which their grievous position demanded.
—(Hear.) It was true that in this country there were
several colleges not supported by public grants, but yet
were in a condition very different from that of Maynooth;
but that fact was owing to circumstances into which he
need not here further enter.—(Hear, hear.) Now, he
conceived that the measure now before the House should
be considered as one intended f ,r promoting and ex-
tending education generally in Ireland, and not for the
promotion of ecclesiastical education exclusively. It
might be, indeed, that this measure was the means of
introducing the discussion of great and exciting topics on
this subject ; but in this point of view he begged to say
that he by no weans joined in the " ne Popery" cry
that bad been raised by those who appeared willing to
oppose every measure for the advancement of education

that did not concur in their views.—(Cheers.)
He said then with regard to this Bill, considered by
spoken in fa► our el it before the Louse, and he
fully and entirely concurred in the Bill pro-
posed by her Majesty's Government. But still
he c( uld not help thinking that the subject had been en-
tirely altered by the speech of the Hen. Member for
Newark (Mr. Gladstone). That speech had changed
entirely the aspect of this question and called upon him
for some remarks, remarks wholly unnecessary hid
not this speech been made. The Hon. Gentleman
had belonged to a Government, and he yet belonged to
a party, which all along had opposed any modification
cf the revenues of the Irish Church. Was he to under-
stand now that that Right Hon. Gentleman, so lately a
member of a Cabinet opposed to all modification, and
now belonging to a party advocating the same views—
was he (Mr. Hawes) to understand, from his statement,
that this Bill settled the religious question as re-
garded the endowment of the Roman Catholic Col-
lege of Maynooth. If the religious question were
settled, then the political question might be con
sidered settled also. Now he (Mr. Hawes) could
not consent to any endowment of the Roman Catholic
Church out of British funds, until, at least, the whole
question of the Irish Church were brought fairly be-
fore the House. He was of opinion that some
means might be adopted to render the efficiency of
that Church more in accordance with the spirit and
object for which it was supported. It could not
be pretended that, as at present constituted, the Church
instructed the people ; and the usual argument that the
alliance of the Church was valuable, as a medium
of communication between the State and its sub- '
jects was, in this case, completely disposed of. He
thought, therefore, that if auy grant were determined
on, it should be taken out of the Irish Church property.
He considered the question as having been materially
altered. Taking into consideration the written speech
made last year by the Right Hon. Baronet, he could not
help feeling that this was only the precursor of a much
more important and extensive measure.—(Hear, hear.)
And, under these circumstances, he thought it right
to state that he could not consent to the ultimate mea-
sures, unless they were to look at the property
of the Established Church as the source (with due re-
spect, of course, to existing interests) whence provision
should be made fur the Catholic Church. He would
frankly state the course which he meant to take with
reference to this Bill. He would not vote against the
second reading. He would vote fur going into Com-
mittee. There he would support the motion of his Hon.
Friend the Member for Sheffield should take the liberty
of making two propositions, of which he would give
notice. He thought the grant ought to be annual and
subject to the controul of Parliament and ought net tc,.
be accompanied by any provision for the mockery of
visitation which at present existed.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the mode of instruction proposed
in the Bill was different from that which at present
existed.

Mr. HAWES proceeded to say thNt he objected to
the provision for Maynooth in its present condition.
For forty-five years it had been subject to annual
discussion, and he thought the public mind had
been rather benefited than injured by these dis-
cussions. Suppose, for a moment, that that
the proposition of the Hon. Member for Sheffield should
be negatived, and that he should fail in making it an
annual vote, he would consider himself at liberty to
take any course he might think proper.
If he gave his vote on this measure as it stood, he fe,red
he should be sanctioning the future policy which the
present Government might think fit to adopt with re-
gard to the Roman Catholic religion in Ireland. It
would, in fact, be considered neither more nor less
than a vote of confidence in her Majesty's Govern-
ment. With respect to their future government of
Ireland, and that policy was so darkly and suspiciously
shadowed forth that he confessed he was not disposed
to confide in them. He did not oppose the policy of
the Government, because it was calculated to encourage
the Roman Catholic religion, because he, with a large
number of Protestant Dissenters, whom he knew were
disposed to concur in the resolution which had been
come to by the Scotch Protestant Dissenters in Edin-
burgh on this puint.
[LEFT SPEAKING.]

NEW MARKET RACES.
(THIS DAY-BY EXPRESS.)

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Handicap. T.Y.C.

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Dr. Hill 2
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Lady Wildair
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Captain Phebus 3
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