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*AST GROUP K.
4JEREHAIVE AND NORWICH RAIL-
WAY.
It, PORTANT AN UNCEMEN T.
ANhax ws resumed the business of the Committee this
triLr'2 by summing up hir case on behalf of the circuitous line
%%11-'4 Dereham and Norwich via Wyndham. The Learned
4trupt'l
by ad made a few preliminary observations, when be was in-
'loses, who begged permission, before other business was
t4t.47eti with, to state that he had been instructed by the pro-
°f the Bill to announce
WITHDRAWAL or THE DISS,
14%
A , CCLES, AND YARMOUTH LINE.
thr retir
ouo ,lon had been presented against the diversion of the line
6th ob. qetheringham. The promoters had at first anticipated nu
kit, jection but as it had been emphatically urged, and the in-
-411e2 Yarmouth had unquestionably a right to insist on their
Atip-i", the petition was deemed worthy of eff.ct, and theretore
taken calculated to meet the wishes of the petitioners.
Ths'''Arttsfsx expressed his approval of the course adopted by
a411'6-,,°ters of the scheme, as being a fragmentary line and open
iti objections • the Committee had entertained strong doubts
Ilqit;aibilitY end Merits.
brzavv-AL or THE mAsrErtiv UNION

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kr, j EXTENSION* PROJECTS.
'"las wished also to state, that as the Eastern Union Rail-
44hsons Bill had not yet passed, and as, from its present
t,ler,iT,l immature state, it could not possibly pass the Standing
P,St°Mtnittee this session, those extensions, which had refe-
:itsl— (he district before that
Committee, would be immediately
IA.h:PW •
preamble Of the above Bills were, accordingly, formally ne.
Ohl, JA
itt XES inquired when the case of the Thetford and Norwich
114,
s rte , CS between Thetford and Bury, would be preceded
the witnesses of the Eastern Union Extension Company
.7404 in toivn at consiskrable expense, ann a doubt was enter-
,,'"ether the promoters of the former Bill had made out any
Th‘
tpv,
~ttt c,„
'4lalsN could not intima,e any feeling of the Committee
tor
rnY line as yet In abeyance, but he.would name Monday
'3'1,41.'1_ earth'? the case of the Eastern Union Company against
1,41 t, 4:il and Bury line.
Ziek,„t'atwa, Q.C., after these important changes had been
sh,7Minued his address, urging that all the traffic which had
ett by his opponents as goil,g on the direct line
hste till(cessarily in preference adopt the non-circuitous
ts),, kei.l."-gh Wyndham At the same time other and
ti,:ti
tetee important trade would fall upon the latter, and be
Mete
Iver the vast consuming districts through which it would
the promot of the other line regarded time and dis.
to,
imabie as between Norwich and Dereham,
how
much
the
Otlf I.', and as respects such accommodation, the so.called
tOonine travelled over 128 miles between Norwich and
s*bss; while the line through Wyndham, between the same
etlsi,:(ll.lired a distance of no n ore than 111 miles, thus etfectmg
le
nNeti°t. 17 miles, and a consequent decrease of time. Thu
'ttl
tt st C`luMel cincluded by calling on the Committee
flype the preamble of the Bill he represented satistac-
N, throy2ed, to give the inhabitants of the district the
theit,selves pref. rred, and not to keep districts
neeiiing railway accommodation divested of such ad-
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ire,u'ing the promoged perked which the opposing project
1 I,t
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.„."iatt:°°4l was then cleared, and on the re-admission of
`ll -)
e
,t4st (4illnittee announced their decision that the preamble of
Ittt,l%orti;r'ugh Wyndham to Dcreharn was proved, but that the
tisi,°"gh and Diss, and the Dies, Beccles, and Yarmouth pro.
withdrawn, the communication south of Norwich and
Icher4.° London should be left entirely for the discussion of
i'si°n• They therefore negatived the Bill for the Direct
el N% 6,44 throughout.
throu hoot
decision
„ was received with the most intense ex
'IN,III appeared to take all parties by surprise.
Q'Clock the Committee adjourned till 12 on Monday.

404 GROUP L.
1)11,14 crItSAIOUTEL ATIVICOSPIMIZIC
ttcli adil'Qtnittee resumed this morning, present Mr. E. B. De-
-1 ‘' Oswald, Lord Clive, Mr. M. Milnes, and Mr. Vivian,
hoLst-e 'e was cross examined by Mr. ALEXANDRE, and stated
Vta,te.,o7i said that -the atmospheric line was unfavourable for
h-ve line, in consequence of its gradients; but the
'1,17 line. of which he was the engineer, had also
4(,tt'e're'•r'4. The steepest would be lin 75, over a plane
4, t,s4 es
,; 1. on a line eighty miles in length. He had ad.
tft4tikty.4l.,;`nele line of rails from Lancaster to Carlisle, a distance
'lttlemed"e rinks by Shapp, and it was on the recommendation
flit
I•hi-,"ian Company that they altered that line to a double
11 •4 line for - wall not the only instance In which he had advocated a
1."
et, Moderate traffic.
St, n-'Wato and Lord Crave., Mr. Locke replied that the
N.Nttir, tunnelling and that it passed over the Shapp over ha
I'•C -g• Theearthworks were originally prepared for a
f but • the bridges and other brickwork had been pre.
k.nnble line. This alteration had been partly occasioned
lt,"eti:Jable increase of traffic for Scotland, hut chiefly by the
tki.t4etitveq railway speculation on the minds of the Directors.
T° Vie wri that a single line, if properly managed, was perfectly
I4,4tt'N a,' now working a single line from Woking to Guildford.
N et"' e Mr. Locke replied that when land was taken,
1;44 1:' "works were made for a double line, and only a single
t 44,14 'vote it was put down on one side, and one line might be
t Pa while while the other line was being made. Such was the
it an " the Newcastle and Carlisle Railway.
et'lll)4'iottertist° ALEXANDER, Mr. Locke stated that it was
s, fled tc, -"at the circumstance of the atmospheric trains being
fir44tl ioct?", at high velocities between the stations would
ruln:,ase the danger. The express trains on the London
thNGto6narn line passed each other at Rugby, and twice on the
:1,4,144,4 line at the Guildford Junction and at Bishopstrike,
' Ma .
ean
weeper however, tne train stopped. At these er,,s...ing
4" was the same, but on the atmospheric line it was
ih rd ''eVer 108 to the number of crossing places. His objec-
t tt only held as to the rate of speed, and he thought that
an hour would not he tow much. He knew nething of
iht4:e" on the. Great Western line or on the Blackwall
it 114411 or e't that the atmospheric princzple had attained its
•'Peed-tarlY forty miles an hour, for he found that was the
4ttained in Mr. Steplieeson's experiments at Dalkey,
t7%iti,4 the e the impediments were the last and the motnen-
ajlta4k t 4 thig:tategt• It was immaterial to him whether the op.
N' to fn "Peee arose from the friction in the tube or from
th4VitUhttac-',: there was the effect, and that was *sill:Helen' corn.
1111 t t •
ttle INES,
Mr. Locke rcid:ed that, on the whole, he
vrt'longation of the tube was likely to diminish the
fro 14, to'r•
se
C.tgalANnek, Mr. Locke said that he had never stated
lcth saai giirnreittee, for he merely looked at the matter as a
Nti t,ll)easee"ti°n—so much power lost, so much coal used, so
4 btatbg'neurred. The increased length increased the
increasing the power of the engine—by increettng

HOUSE OF CtO,I3IOINS.
ROUT A.
SOITTH-EASTrAtIV
On the re-assembling of the Committee this morning,
kr. Norton, partner to Me. lloggart, the celeirated auctioneer,
t;s4 called and examined as to tke value of property through which
eesproposed line passed.
'41.• Aural; on the part of the London and Croydon line, r.
e'v to a proposition made last eve: log by the Chairman, to the
et that the ease on the part of the South-E:.stern li.ie, and
aort,ainit the London and Croydon line, shreed for the present he
L nstP°hed until the conclusion of that against the north Kent
-,te; Mr. Austin spoke at some length in favour of this course.
th**".• Cocesuare, on the part of the Suuth-Eastern line, said that
emproposed course would be highly inconvenient to him.
0.„ Wilna-re thought that the proposed course would game
re
loss ef time, and that it would be very inconsistentto suspend
Part et the case now that it had been partly heard.
!mfr. la 11.
••.ANGHAM spoke in favour of the propo,ed course.
r* y=EittEwETHER said that he was not prepared to go on with
il -e•rwitnesses but those against the Croydon line the other wit
it,srna.a being out of town, and :hat he could not carry on his case
es course were decided on.
ba 'Qom, was then cleared, in order that the Committee might
r,l oPportunity of consulting.
zai.'"otteeour
,return to the Committee room we learned that the Corn-
!' had decided that the case against the London and Croydon
Must be postponed until that against the North Kent line had
'ltn Concluded,
tia :.MErcanwErrilies requested that the Committee should adjourn
atonday, in order to give him an opportunity of collecting the
witnesses. He lnicl at present no witness to examiee but
iiiioCaffin, who was some time ago examined concerning Mr.
q,„ Powder-mills, and of whom he wished only to ask two or
kijta questions. The loss of time would be very little, as the Corn-
tti wou.d not be likely to Ct to-morrow, even if he were pre-
se;l t° go on with the case.
4r.. Sergeant WRANOILAM said that the Committee had almost
I.:el to Meet tomorrow.
innate some further discussion, Mr. MEUREIVETHEII agreed to
.4',Tl examine
. Calfin whose evidence entirely referred to the probable dan-
"r from '
the North Kent line passing through the powder district
raversham;
,rl-1 rrline ti Sergin WRANGITANI then spoke very strongly against the
1 to Monday.
trior, e CaareataN said that the Committee would not meet to.
proc-'w but that on Monday they would expect Mr. Wilmore to
sNeeed With the case of the Croydon line, and that at present no
„nCe against that line, on the part of the South-Eastern, should
!Zolittee.
104 ir;MERREWETIIER agreed to omit the evidence against the Croy.
geisehe, and added that he intended only to call four other wit.
Mt. ll.stoee expressed his readiness to proceed with his caw.
r,' W
Sergeant WRANGIIAM then addressed the Committee as to
lahaertissibility of a report of the Board of Trade as evidence.
qTre Cwaters•N said that he had communicated with the Board
lei,,iade, from whom he expected to receive information on the
4,ice°n Which Mr. Sergeant Wrangham wished to produce evi.
41 b. sergeant WRANGRAM then requested to he allowed to call
tltirederick Smith, late Surveyur_General Railwas, in answer
tiei 'Hrs. Hall's petition. He contended that he had a right Oil
evidence in answer to any petition against the Bill
UERILEWETHER objected, and nrged that if Mr. Sergeant
lisiaineharn were allowed to produce evidence to answer to Messrs.
lt,h! wou have the samei. right with regard to the evidence on
ee I,7rt of the ld
Croydon Comany.
c
nateNlAri desired that the room be again cleared.
44". attr re-admission the Committee refused to admit. the evi-
°l. Sir Frederick Smith.
TeeC°runaittee then adjourned to Monday at twelve o'clock.

GROUP GG.
SCOTCH RAILWAYS.
44t...__XtirEAD BRANCH or THE GLASI-OW,
-.'44151.4.R.N0CK, AN.D 1:. xisivivAy.
, TbCo
mmittee met this morning in the Court House, West-
titer, and proceeded to hear the evidence of
C.E.—Thetiller witness said that the branch to Barrhead
the la 4
"ri contemplated by the promoter: of the Ayr Railway at
1'4132 down of the trunk line, and they had prepared plans and
the in 1839, but the project was abandoned in consequence of
14"Pl'osition of the Earl or Glasgow, then Lord Kelburne, whose
ktiori.:"Y was interfered with. That objection was now removed,
(fir. Miller) was of opinion that the line was the most un.
tvebsklnatile that could be adopted. The dist.mce in ail was ab,,ut
4,lll;;iiir,i: and the worst gradient was lin 132. The Nitahill
tao,will end in a mineral district. '1 he total eost of construe-
the branch line, would be 90,000/. The project
ptyl"e trunk line would connect Barrhead with Glasgow,
k' Y, Greenock. Ayr. arid the other towns on the west coast
kti)re.,Sergeant BELLssts and Mr. MAXWELL cross- examined the
Ntzs. on the part of certain landlords on the line, and also far the
sivrting line
(the Glasgow, Neilston, and Barrhead Direct line).
kr. llorne valued the land required at 10,797/.
• furray, Provost of Paisley, spoke to the general feeling
oh e
Oh. ,slisted in the town in its favour.
'ht.; 'roWne, Chamberlain, corroborated the Provost's evidence.
knitC„Was a considerable traffic between Nilshill and Paisley in the
Th-a ef building, stone, and engine coal.
44(4 tables were put In and proved by Mr. Anderson and
Th.
Naresult showed a traffic per annum of 10,3141. 19s. 3d.
The closed the case for the promoters.
committee adjourned till IVl“nday.