The Sun.
London, England, 1820-10-14 00:00:00

PRIVATE AND AUTHENTIC CORRESPONDENCE.

PARIS, OCT. 9.-The Parisian readers of THE
SUN have expressed their sorprize that your Correspondent has
not noticed M. CLAUSLI. de CAUSSEROU es' attack an the Duke
DEc.szcs, in which he makes the Minister the author of all.
the massacres and assassinations committed during his Mi-
nistry, including that of the Duke de Bartni.—l answer that
the known infamy of the Accuer is such, and the falsehood
of every one of his assertions so well known,, that I did not

think it worth while to rectal the existence of the obscure. Li-
beller, who was solemnly declared, by a Vote of the Chamber
Qf Deputies, to be a false' and infamous Libeller, against
which decision he has nut dared to appeal.
A new attack on the Ex-Minister has been made by Gene.
yal DoNsamE.tt, already known to your Readers as the HcrQ
of the sceneslof Grenoble.—M. de ST. ALI Laa x has. defendra
his Son-in-law in an able and well-written Pamphlet ; but
this was unnecessary; lie need only have published a few ex-
tracts from the Official Document, to prove how " General
Dorats:Ant EU saved France."

" Vice le Roil—MoNsEtwvEult. The dead bodies of his
enemies cover all the roads fur a league round Grenoble; I
have (oily time to state to your Excellency that t he Troops of
his Majesty have Covered themselves with glory. The number
of Brigands who attacked the town,a;.e estimated at four
thousand.

" DONNADIEU."

After so Onions an exploit, which " saved France," the
dead were counted who covered all the roads -fot a league
round Grenoble; they amounted to Six only ! !! as appears
from the 011icial Certificate of the Commissary of Police, and
the " Four Thousand Enemies" appear, from the Minister,.
of War's Letter. to DoNNADIEv, to hare been only GOO:
unarmed Peasants, and it has been since proved that the
number did not..amount to 300, acid it was against these poor
Unarmed Peasants that abont. 1400 armed Troops covered
thernsels es with glory, killing St], and making 60
soners! !! It must he confessed that it was a must glorious
feat, and M. DoNNAutuu owes his title of Viscount to his
own account of it.• Not the least surprizing part of this is
thava Barrister (a briefiess one it is.true) could be found se
riously to defend the Noble Viscount, and cite M. DxcAzcs
orders, which he knows were-merely issued. on
.his belief of
DONNAIDI rm's statement.

The Elections occupy the public mind here almost entirely.
The ChainlOr will present a strange atioromy, a, at least
2-sths of the whole cumber would be ineligible under the
new Law. The bast way to get rid of the difficulty would be
to dissolve the ebainber.

Private Letters have,ssrrieed this morning from 'Piedmont.
It appears that that little State means to follow the example
of Spain and Naples; but the Austrians are at hand, amd will,
it is expected, march, uninvited, to prevent it.

P 1103V.CTID MARRIAC:II IN Elicit is
rumoured that a matrimonial- alliance is at Tre-
seat in contemplation between. Master 81E.1.Y
AI3STIN attll the daughter of " Absolute Wis-
Leeds Intelligencer.)
doze.".-(

v,ONDON JOUIt,N LS.

Y TR..4C.7'S.]

FROM THE MOIINiNG PAPERS.

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[llf-vrting Post.]
~
Trii: Qu..reti?..-a-TrherProceedings were jegter-
day putinued, but very little-progress wasAriade.
it was the object of the Ainsel -for the,fralkeett
to contradict a part of the
,egdence of Rastelli,
and to spew that he had loeeff' e (wtive. agent of
the Mllan
,Commission -to pi cure witnesses.
Nothing more vas proVed than that Rastelli had
told the, witness that he had, reCommen dell certain
iedividitals to gb to Mimi, who had had their ex-
'pences paid, and feceived a moderate remunera-
tionfottheit time:Sciveral discussions took place on
particular plestions being put, and if was thought
desirable to, recta Riseelli. It ' then appered
tint he had beep sent as, a trourier to Milan,
on the reconn.tendation of Mr. Powell, to,satisfy
the friends of those )4 ho :had been ill-treated 'at
Dover, that , the witnesses had sustained no in-
jury. It appears certain that this persOn was
allowed to go from• the humane feelings already
described, and that severe illness alone has pre-
' vented his return. He has, however, been sent
•for repeatedly, and may be expected very shortly.
There is no doubt that every effort will be made
to bring him back without loss of time, and with
that humane consideration which has marked the
whole of the present proceeding, their Lordships
will feel it their duty to take especial care that
•her Majesty's case shall be in no wise injnriously,
affected by this untoward accident. indeed the
Lord Chancellor and other • Nobles Lords very
creditably observed, that it would be the study
of the House that her sMajesty's cause should
derive advantage rather than sustain injury from
the circumstance. We, need not remind our
Readers, that it was not expected that Rastelli
would be,called again, as the cross-examinations
were closed ; and this consideration will form
some excuse for what has so unintentionally oc-
curred, and which, we must remark, was so far
from being the act of Government, that it was (as
will be seen by our Report), in direct opposition
to the positive orders of Ministers.
... . .

As to the immediate business before their Lordships, thongh
little or no progress was made in it yesterday, it must be con-
sidered as going on with great regularity. There is nut, we
think, an omit ejudiced man in the country who must not have
remarked this singular cftcuntstance, that the sett'. day the
Queen's witnesses had arrived at what may justly be consi-
dered the real matters of charge. prevarications, contradi:-
liens, faintings, and confessions began. We need only in
refer to the evidence of Lieutenants Flinn and Hownam, for
the proofs, the positive proofs, of some of the strongest iteell
satious contained in- the Hill of Pains and Penalties. The
fact, for example—that single, hut all-sufficient tact of
having slept under.the same lent with her Ito)al High-
ness on the voyage front .lafia to Syracuse, is thus confirmed.
Nat long can-be noire, ridiculous than the attempt* wade to
White a circumstance, which, being satisfactorily proved.
would of itself be sufficient to obtain a verdict trout any jury
in the country its u case of erhil

[Britisit Press.]
The absence of Rastelli, by interrupting the
defence of the Queen in the order.proposed by
her Majesty's Counsel, cannot fail to operate to
her disadvantage. It is not probable that Ras-
telli will ever• return to England, for he no
doubt has ere this learned that the English laws
denounce severe penalties against persons convict-
ed of subornation of perjury. The Lord Chan-
cellor admitted that an injury was done to her
Majesty by the abstraction of Rastelli, and it
was on this account that Lord Carnarvon moved
that 44 the House do adjourn till this day six
months." It was suggested that her Majesty might
sustain a deeper injury if her Counsel were
now interrupted in the midst of their defence ;
but in this we find it impossible to concur. We
see no stain remaining upon her Majesty's cha-
racter which requires any further exertions to
remove; every circumstance contained in the
.charge of the Attorney General that could raise
a suspicion of 'criminality has been most satisfac-,
torily refuted or explained. Shovld the present
proceedings therefore be further continued, the
object proposed cannot be exclusively the vindi-
cation of her Majesty's fame.

[Morning Chronicle],

The tender consideration of Mr. Powell •for
the families of the Milan Witnesses, seethed to
be oddly enough appreciated
,by most of the
strangers who had' the pleasure of hearing him.
A significant smile was to be seem on every noun,.
tenance, which we think we could easily inter-
pret if we chose. It does certainly seem y very
singular, that with all the means and resources
of this Government, no person could be sent
over. -with this .consolatory message but Rat-
telli—of all others, a witness against whom it
was evident, from the questions put to him by
her Majesty's Counsel, that a charge of agency 'for
the MilanCommissiox was, if possible, to be proved.
Befort! Mr. Powell's name was mentioned to the
House, Lord Al-tiley said, if it turned out
that the .person through whom Rastplli was en-
abled to quit the country was connected with
the Milan Commission, he should not be easily
convinced that it was merely an error of judg-
ment. We merely notice the circumstances,
leaving our Readers to form their own judgment
respecting them. We cannot hielp, however,
stating our apprehension, that in consequence of
Rastelli's fever, and the blood-letting to which,
according to Mr. Powell, he has been subjected,
we shall be deprived of the satisfaction of seeing
him again in this .country. It is said in au
Evening Paper of yesterday, that " it is now
assumed that the act of adultery has been

[PRICE SEVENPENCE.

proved by the belief that Bergami slept under•tha.
ut on the, deck of the polacca,,and that all evi-
euce to other circumstances, that ,has been qr
"may he brought_ forward, will be of no avail,"
and that " the proor,edlings will soon assume au
aspect which every friend of the Tqona'rchy and
reigning dynasty will deplore." This however,is, •
we think, going too far. it is true that the per.,
severing after ,the•deterrnination to abandon the•
proceedings ha. rather an ominous aspect. • Vvr,-
-have already alfuded.:to this determination, a.nd.
We now'state the following,- particulars re pectin.;

it, on which we believe. our. ieaders may conti--
dently rely :

,y;

On Sunday last the Eartinf Liverpool, Lord Cattlereagli.
and other Ministers, %tut to the King, ;at his. cottage in•

Windsor Park, and they set:re accompanied by several chs-
tinOished 'Peers of:great 4rifluence and Borough patronage,
to represent. to his :`,lajesty-the impits'sion which theevideuce
adduced inoppuSition ti) the Bill of Pains aid Penalties had

made on their minds', so. as to stake it impossible for 11;ein to
support it through the HOuse. The NobletUen 11,4 d an au-
dience of his Ma.iesq, to. state 'opiaion; tliot it ought
to be withdrawn.—We littow- not with what complacencY
this declaration was received; but it is understood that
on Monday evening Ministers scere dispbsed tb give up the
Bill, if thtreridencc of Lieutenant Flynn should the next day
overthrow the testimony of the Master and Mate of the po-
lacca; that of Majoeci and Dumont being considered by theta
as totally discredited. The contradictions of Lient. Flynn, on
Tuesday, however, induced them to persevere.—M rich, will,
no doubt, depend on the manner in which the sending Rasta
out of the way will be viewed by their Lordships.

BANKS OF THE DANUBE, Our. 3.

His Imperial and Apostolic Majesty of, Austria
has at length remitted to the Sovereigns of the
lily Alliance, a long Note, hi which he laments

the rapid progress of the iiinovating spirit of the
titnes,and which his Alajesty attributes to the bane,
ful influence of secret societies, and, the pernicious
works of a few sceptical writers of the age, whose
aim, says the Monarch, is the entire snbversioa
of all constituted authorities, as well as a
moral and social order,. The EmperOr 'then,
proceeds to recommend to his August Allies,
the immediate extirpation in their several States
of all secret Societies, especially " Freirnazt- •
rt.-7s, "Illuminati," 4 Fregeistery," and" 3listicis
nuts." His Majesti, then states to the several
Sovereigns, at greldlength, the occurrences that;
have taken 'place at Naples, the whole of, which
he attaches to the cabals carried on in thaodges,
of the Freemasons, under the name 'of
bonari,7 and dwells very euphati,eall, upon
the imminent danger:that Ssvereigns- risk by:

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toleratimg in their dominions, societies, that are
capable of overturning the regal power of the
hest consolidated Governments. The limpe-
r° r then proceeds to inform the Members of thia
holy League, afte'r a long and elaborate " avant-
]) topos," the motives that induce: him to assemble
so large, a military force in Italy. He declares,.
that to suffer the Revolutionists in Naples, is
incomPatible with the. dignity of his Crown, and
with the tranquillity anal welfare of his people

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that he is hound by the double ties of con-
sanguinity and State . polity, to re-establiSh or-
der in the whole of the Italian Peninsula, and to
protect the head of, the Christian Church against
the machinations of _revolutionary demagogues,
-that surround him. The Emperor concludes with.
complimenting his high Allies on the good spirit.
which evinces. itself through all the' Northern-
States of :Europe, utid declares his •detertninatiott
to restore. immediately the ancient order of things
in Italy.

PETERSFIELD, Ocs. 1.2.---Last night; Messrs.
El.:AN:0;01A yEtt, and FITiWILLIAM gave their
Vocal C wert, in the new tall-room of .the Red.
Lion Inn, in this town. The room was filled .at au
early hour with a numerous and highly respectable
audience, and the performances, were received
with the warmest applause. The introductory
Glee of 44 Music the langUage of the bleat
above," was given in a very chaste and impres-
sive style, as well as Chard's beautiful of
" The. Greenland :linnter." Mr. COLL t'Ett
,2*-4-14;
".Sweet warbling
,Philornel," and ‘‘ Bring rue
the wine," with great taste. The latter song
was encoi.cd. We never heard Mr. EvANs in
better voice. His " Faithless Emma," and
" The Maid of Marlivt• le" were sung most beau-
tifully, and excited the most enthusiastic ap-
probation. Mr. FlTzwuziAiipt was emu-red in
almost every song. He sung Shield's mock Ita-
lian song of " Meastre he vos a great Opera
singer," with great judgthent and effect. The
comic powers of this gentleman are well known.
His Luird of mbiedik(4, in The Iltart of MeV
Lothian,. has established his celebrity as an actor,
b a he. is also an excellent singer. His voice
is a very, pretty light base, and he display-
ed considerable science in the parts which
he took in the Glees. This was the first attempt
to establish a concert in the town, nand it was
most successful. e trust that the same success
may follow Mr. EVANS and his friends through
their Musical Tour round the west of England,
and induce them to rev bdt us next year.

It is with regret that we have to mention the
unfortunate circumstance of a man beiug rode
over by the coaches of the Christ Church Ad-
dress, in lilackfriar's-road. He was immediately
conveyed to the nearest surgeon, but expired
shortly after he was carried into the house.

PARLIAMENT,

HOUSE OF LORDS-IYESTERDAY.

THE QUEEN'S DEFENCE.

[Continuation of Yesterday's .Proceedings.]

The Earl of CARNARVON thought they ought
not to proceed one step further with this foul and
infamous Bill until they had probe& this matter
completely to the bottom. If after the progress
they had already made—if after :the evidence
they had already heard, their Lordships were
told. they Must still go le6 I could not-conceive
how they • coultf'proceed unless this businesS
were to be. thoroughly sifted.
.If this fact
,of agency ''were proved, he believed there did
not exist among their 'Lordships once who
would not say, that these prpcee'Llings should be
terminated without waiting another day, or' for
another hour risking. ti-;e- safety of the country,
.by persisting in a course the most pernicious
tgat had ever been attempted: If this fact wept
proved, and thy were still to persevere, he con-
tiJently asserted, that they .would knowingly,.
and with their eyes open, be compromising every
thing upon which the prosperity of England must
depend. This was not a dry question of techni-
cality-according to law. . They had by the pro-
ceeding itself, thrown all law aside. Theyhad,
contrary to all precedent, and to all restrictions
impoted by law; in point of time---.--after a lapse of
three.years, entered upon an investigation, which
in-any other tribunal would not have been per,
rnitted. He entreated their Lordships foAtlie sake.
of thosewho were interested in this Bill., (and that
there were some persons actively alive tp its suc-
cess, the diligence which had been manifested,
sufficiently evinced,) to pause before they went
further. He called ,upon,thein 'to save that House
from disgrace, and not to hold thbmselves up to
the odium of the country, to the contempt of,that
popular feeling connected, with every sentiment
of national prosperity.. They had now come to
such a stage in this'Bill, that if the witness at the
bar had spoken the-truth, the details which he
had given must more or leSs - destroy the, whole
Of. the testimony which had been 'given in its sup-
port. If, as had been stated, under an active
agency, subornation of witnesses had been re-
sorted to, it was their duty not to stop till they
had sifted. it to the bottom. '

• Lord DONOtffigAtollE expressed his surprise at
the speech or rather declarations in which his
Noble Friend had indulged. Upon a simple
question as to the admission of a particular point
of testimony, upon which the Noble and Learned
,Lord on the Woolsack had, given so clear and'
judicious an opinion, hiS NOble Friend had in-
terposed with such a speech as he was sure had
never been heard upon sucli occasion.. Ile
bad risen as if something ha4kiticcurred in debate
to provoke such seAtiments,aind to call up all the
angry feelings of which he was susceptible. He
had made a general speech upon the principle of
this Bill, which he- (Lord Donoughinore) _appre-
hended, had long since been fully investigated.
Was ever such an opportunity takert for making
such an appeal to the House ? In the middle of
a decent and solemn investigation,, his Noble
friend had started up,and talked of. the danger
which existed, if the House were to proceed fur-
ther with this Bill, and by a• short. question,
,wished Co put an end to the Bill altogether. It •
was not necessary thathe should meet this propo-
sition by argument, He would simply throw
out the idea to the House, and leave it to their
Lordships' consideration. . •
Earl CAERNARVON; in explanation, denied that
he had proposed,-by a short question, to put an
end to the proceedings before the House. He
certainly did not disguise his feelings.; but whatli
he did call upon their Lordships to do Was; after
a charge. of bribery had been brought against the
Milan C?narnission; not -to stop till that charge
were fully and completely investigated. •
1 The Loan CHANCELLOR.--Is it yoty Lord-
ships' pleasure that the witness be again called ?.
'The short-hand writer was desired to read the
last questiom..
•" Q. Had you any further conversation with
Itastelli about what Rasteili was doing with the
witnesses ?—A. The first time that I ha:; any con_
Yersation with him, I was coming from the States
of the Pope, and I had a conversation with him in
an inn, and afterwards I had a conversation with
him in other places, but we talked a little, • and
then we tallied on thiS subject, and thn we turn-
ed to other dis'coures. One day we were com-
ing out olthe Custorn7house, and I was going out
of the bulwarks of Milan; and we were then
talking about. the witnesses, he told me that he
had gone into 'my country about witnesses, and
that when he was in my country, he went to 'ask
for witnesses, and those witneases wen*
.to ask
others, and then they all
_met 'together; and he..
had a-Sked whe'Ther they wished to depose against
her, Royal Highness, and that then he-asked of
them, "will you go
,to Milan with me ?"
Lord ELUNBOROUGH inquired whether the.
-Witness had said' wished' or '.would."
The MarChese; Spinetto ,said, that the Italian
sword meant wished' or willing.'
Earl Gacy--7The words 'used by the witness
Were t. are you willing to 'depose.' •
. The answer was corrected accordingly.
Q. Well ?—A... Then,they kreakfasted.at Cat-
oimi, and from there they went to where they.
dined; when'they -arrived at Milan, they went
altogether,to :the inn of .Saint •Clemene; when
they 'were,at:thq innl Rastelli told_the innkeeper
••
to give them every thing.. they wanted for their
victuals ; -and-that then, .one after another, they
were ta.k.•en before the Advocate:Vtlmacarti and
the 'English Gentlemen with, him.
Ask if on any of those occasions he further
skid that. hef,had paid money to, any of.those
witnesses ? • .
. SOLICTTOII-Cr ENEE.AL objected to the
questlonteing. put-in that leading form. .
LORDICHANc.ka.LOkt asked whetfier Ras-
eiti said. any thing .ahOut
,paying money ? • •
The question was put as amended.---A. He

told them that he kept them seven days at
.an •
inn, and paid them forty francs.
Was any thing said about expenses. beside ?
He told me he had given the people that came
from Piny country-.40-.francs, to Pablo Ragaoom
he said he gave 50 francs, and to Bruza. There
were others to whom he Mentionedlegave.mo-
- but he mentioned their imme3altogether.
Did he say .any thing about their expellees at
the inn said he had paid the innkeeper,
and that, they were -to have 40 francs clear.
C
ross,,examine d !vibe SoLteiTon-GENERAL.
Q. W9ere did you conic from to Milan From Raga-
zoni, toy .countrv.
How many miles did yoU travel altogether ?—About 28 or
CO MHO.,
Do von mean 28 or 30 miles to go to Milan do.
Does Raggazoni come from your country?—He comes from
four miles oil, at CatZonni. .
Four miles further from Milan, or four miles nearer?—
Four miles nearer.
Did the witness go to. Catzonni, in' order that they might
all travel together to -Milan ?—Yes.
'n en tl-d the witness go to Catzonni in order that they
might all go from there- ;:ogether ?—They went to the inn,'
slept there, am! Set out the next morning.
Did Bruzar-live at Catzonni ?
The witness replied " No," without waiting for the putting,
of the question, through the medium of the Interpreter, on
.which the Solicitor-General quickly asked :
flare-von learned English since 'yesterday ?
The witness's reply to which was--.
I home witat lie said,-.1' Nearer."
You have "said Bruza does not live at Catzonni ?—Bruza
was sent to bring Raggazoni.
How long were you in going from Catzonni to Milan
Tio-er days:
With respect to the grotto of which you made mention
yesterday, what extent was it, was it forty or fifty feet ?—1
do not remember.
Was it forty or fifty bracchi ?—I do not know correctly ;
have never measured it.
What were you paid fur curving here ?7--Pay I have not re-'
ceived ; I have made a calculation of the injury to my busi—
ness, and time lost- with and another gentleman.
General Pino sent to have it :made in writing, because my
family and children would not let toe go. At thiS time of
the year, the people of Milan change houses, and I was com-
pelled to put another man instead of myself to superintend
the work I had undertaken. My son could not go because he
bad business to attend to at Como. and there was touch busi-
ness Icould not undertake because I did not know what time
I should be absent,. I was told it would last three months,
and I shall be without business during the whole remainder
'of the year. The suns I am to receive is 2,100 franca 871 10s.
Sterling.

Are your expences paid ?—They are.
what is the nime'of the advocate with whom you made this
agreement ?-1-Ie has been with Rastelli.
What is the n,;;sic of the Advocate never asked his
name.
Is it Potaizi ?—No; this writing has been looked over by
the tiolicitor-General. _

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Wak Vassali present at the time ?—No.
Have you met Vassa4i on this business at Milan ?—Yes-;
after the writing had been made.
Did you see Vassali before•the writing was made ?—I never
remember it.
Where did you meet General Ptno ?—At his house, when I
-s.'rred hint as head mason.
Did you see General Pino on the subject of this business ?
have,not seers General Pino ever before or after. I met
Ratti coming down the stairs of General Pino, and he told
me that if I was willing to g.), that he would take care to
make nie indemnification for my loss.
• Did Getitsr.tl Pitt° then undertake to ray?-1 have never
seen General Pino.' . -
Who then is to pay the money ?—Vassali.
When you made this agreement, were others there snaking
agreements ?—No, Vassali was nut present, he has nut the
slightest thing to do with it.
Who then is to pay the money ?-5/assali. -
You told us of a bill due to you from the Princess of Wales;
has that bill been paid ?—Yes,lhe has paid me that bill.
When was it paid was paid part in -January,•part in
March, and the remainder in April, 1319.
Was the money paid to you after you bad the interview
with Ita,telli ?—When I spoke to Rastetli, I was not paid the
whole, I had received the part in January-only.
Flow Ira; is it since the last payment was made• by her
Rural Highness?—The end of April or the beginning of
Alay:
In the present year ?—No: in 1849.
Will• you swear; that besides that agreement for 2,100
francs, that you have entered into no engagements with other
persons to -receive other sums 'of money ?—I was to receive
another sum of five otr six francs a day .fpr my family, but I
made tut writing for this.
Am I to understand that besides what you speak of, you
are to ger not ping else ?
Here the Queen's interpreter made some observation, on
which the Marquess Spitietto remarked. •
BSOUGHAm-1 most beg you willamt interfere, you are
there as an interpreter, and it requires no justification.

Some confusion arose in consequence.
The Marquess of Spinetto pi oceeded to defend himself.—
(Order.)
My Lords, I am charged--,(Order.) •
Mr. BbouottAst.--=Nly Lords, the Marquess Spinetto wants,
to he Counsel for my interpreter, against mvself.—(A laugh.)
'Tite'l,oll,D C HAN CELLOB..—M at guess. :Spinet to you must
allow me to be your Counsel, and 1 beg you will confine your-
self to 'a faithful interpi•etation.
The SoIkICITOR-GENERAL resumed.—Q. Will yott swear
that no promise, or other payment or expectation has been
made to yourself or family ?—1 mean to say that soy time is
to hr considered while I remain here. •
What do you expect to be paid fur the loss of your time?
As they told me I am (o remain here a mouth. and a half,
demanded one gold Napoleon per day. -
Though•they might not 'vier promised it, do you expect it ?
If they give it to me, 1 will not retuie it.
Although .you have not been promised this Napoleon a day,
do you not expect to receive it they give it to me 1 shall
not refuse it ; hut 1 have not claimed it.
Have they not behaved towards you in such a manner as to
make you confident that you will' receive it?
This question seas withdrawn. •
Besides what you . hare received, hare any promises been
made to yoo, or to any of your family ?---None.
have spoken of a'per,ion of the name of Racchi ?---Yes;
he assisted my family, and he is to teach my son the business
in my absence.
What recomperrecis he to get have made no arrange-
ment. He is not a connimil kind of man that would require
a proles.
Is he not architect to General Pino and the Princess ?
He is. •
Does he not know that Racchi. has been employed to take
plans of the Villa d'Este for the purpose of this proceed-
ing ?---Yes; one day we went together to take plans of the
old and new house.
Does he know of any other plans by, Baceltilor,these pro-
-ce'ediugs but the plan oft he Vilia d'Esfs —There was only a
part, not the whole of the Villa d'Este; taken by Racchi.
,Are ecru to receive any other benefits than those you have
mentioned for .coming here?--The advantage of sending me
track again ?--2(A laugh.)
In the room where the 'statiees vvere; were there not two
doors ?—Yes..
what seas the size of that • room across ?—From the out-
side or the bar before nie to the third .bench, more or less ;
never nfeasnred

Mr. WILLIAMS, in Re-examination.
Q. How many men had you in your employ Thirty
bricklayers, and, thirty-four or thirty-tire helpers; now, per-
haps, I have none.
What was the name of the English geotlentan you talked
with about coming over dormt know ;I do nut recollect
him ; he was a tall man.
• Was his.namelleiiry ?---Yes. ' . •
When ytiu talked about coming here, was any mention
made about Your expellees ?—Nothing. I had been speaking
with the architect ilium this affair, 'not with him.
IVhat did the architect fix as a-sum When you spoke to him
on this subject ?—1 asked him his opinion, and I told him all
me didicolties, because the Englishman wished to know ex-
actly, bring a:loan of conscience.
Did you tell- the Englishman the gum the architect had
fixed ?—}'es.
Who told you that Vassali was to pay you ?---The architect
Racchi.
Was there any cornice•in the room where there were the
stators, 'to which any work was ever done?—While I was
with her Royal Highness I never sent any body to Work in
that place:. - •
The .S,,uctroa-GsNgam,asked the Interpcter if the.wprd
,pilastre in Italian meant the as in English ?—The
terpretersaidi
any surtorsopport a'kiailding was a
pilastre.

Lord ELLENBOROUGH.—Do you recollect any pilaster
near the statues?—There are some steps, a pillar, a column,
the pillars are one after the other.
%Vas the pillar of which you have spoken near the door, at
which you entered the garden, or near the other rooms ?•-•1
was at. the.entrance as you go on ,to tind the other room with
the pilastre,
Then ieavas by the eeqrance from tivest of the grotto?—
No': 11 (po`iiitinb to •
klre,pla4),.is the entrance-to tile grotto.
from the hill, or foact—tbe passage is divided by twb round
piiast res.
3Vlien did you hold any conversation with Rastelli respect-
ing the sum you were to have froth the Princess ?—ln June, '
Jnly, or August; he was always corning, and we went out
together.
In what year 1319.
You say the last payment was made in March, 1819 ?—Yes,
for when that conversation took place there was still some-
thing
due to me.
Then the last payment was not made in the month of April
or May, 1819 ?—Yes.
Was it or was it not ?—lt was.
When you bad this conversation in June, of what sum did
you speak ?—Then I advanced a little, but they were talking
of something else.
Then does the witness mean to say that between April and
May, 1819, and June following, any new debt was incurred
with him by her Royal Highness ?—No.
At the time of this conversationwith Rastelli, did the Prin-
cess of %Vales owe you any thing ?—Before, ae 1 have already
said, she was; but when I had this conversation as to what I
was to do, and not then.
wish to know when you had this Conversation with Ras-
telli about the 145,500 francs ?—I have spoken with him when
I came to Milan in March or February.
What year ?—The last, 1819.
Then am Ito understand that the last payment of the debt
of 45,500 francs was made shortly after the conversation with
haste e ?—Before the conversation with Rastelli ; we had
always met, and before it was paid. •
How long before ?—When they had paid me, and I bad
a conversation with him, then I told him I had been paid in
part.
How long before the conversation respecting this sum,
were you paid ?—I told yon, and I repeat it again—the Sth of
March.
Then am Ito understand that the conversation with Res-
•telti; and the paynient, took place in March ?—The payment.
was in May, hut my conversation in March.
What period in March ?-1 do not know the day—it was
when I came to Milan.
What period in May was that payment made ?—About the
beginning.
. Did, the witness, after the conversation with Rastelli, Make
an immediate application for payment ?—Not to her, but I
came back 'from Milan, and then went to Pesaro.
I-L;w soon after this conversation with Rastelli did you
make any application ?—I have said that I saw Rastelli at
Milan, where I was four days; then when I returned house,
went to the Princess at Pesaro, and a- bed for iny,money,'and
she paid me, and then I returned to Milan.
Did you ever mention to any one this circumstance?—Nu,
because 1 went away directly.
When did you first mention this to any one?—When I have
been-asked at my examination.
Did you, or did you not, mention it when you-went to Pe-
saro • to ask for payment ? Did you - ever mention it to the
Princess, or any one in her suite ?—After I got my money,
I could never speak to any body in the Court.
Question repeated—No, because, as I told you, I went to
get my money at Pesaro, and then I returned to Milan.
Did you, before you got the money, 'mention the conversa-
tion wita Rastelli td anyone at Pesaro?—lt was nut business
to be told to every one—l have not mentioned it. •
Lord GROSVENOR.—Do you think that from any part
adjaCent to the grotto, the statues you have been speaking of
could he seen have not made such accurate observation,
but I should think no person could see them.
Have you seen any plans of the Villa d'Este since you came
to this country ?—No ; I bad it in my mind.
I wish to ask if the passage, at the grotto, was .winding or
straight ?—lle says if you gu straight forward, you break
your neck.
-I ask whether it is a winding or a straight passage?—it is
not winding, the walls are undulatory, but the passage is a
straight one.
Lord DE DUNSTANVILLE.—You have said certain wit-
nesses were paid 50 francs each, and they were seven days at
Milan; had they 50 francs daily, or for all the time ?—Once
only. •
-
Lord LAUDERDALE.—What was ,the .last payment von
received from her Royal Highness the Princess of Wales"?—
The half of the 45,000 francs which she owed me,.with
interest.
When did you receive-the-ether hale we. received
me by Mr. Long, the beginning of February.
What was the hugest sum her Royal... Highness ever bwed
yon francs, but with the 'interest it was 45,900 frS.
Did you not once say (hat her Royal Highness owed you
145'500 francs?—Yes; for my account which- had been:in-
,
speo ed by an architect, made me creditor 145,500 francs; but
100,000 francs I had received.
When you received the 100,000 .francs, was any objection
stated to your receiving thi: remaining 45,500 francs ?—What
was the reason the 45,000 francs was not paid you ?—I was in
the habit of receiving my money every mouth and six weeks,
' aot altogether.
Lord LAUDERDALE requested the short-hand writer to
, read the evidence respecting the conversation the witness had
with Rastelli, where Rastelli said the English at Milan would
pay him what her Royal Highness owed to him.
What did Rastelli do ?—Rastelli said' to the innkeeper,
send for such a man.; and after that man had come, who was
Braga, he. told him to go for others.
By Lord LAUDERDALE.—Has the witness often been at
the Villa d'Este ?—Before I was always at the Villa d'Este,
because it belonged to General Pino, and when the Princess
had it I ivent.
Are there any paintings in the rooms as (be house stands at
present?—Her Royal Highness ordered some ceilings to be
wade, and one was ordered to be painted.
Kill you Mate what the painting was ?—lt was divided into
pannels, and in the middle were flowers and medallions: •
Do you recollect the bath-room in the Villa d'Estc ?
Mr. 13eouuttam objected to this question ; in the Attor-
ney-General's opening no mention had been made of the
bath ; if any evidence was given against her Royal Highness
about the bath, it might be necessary tor her Counsel to ask
a delay of five or six weeks to bring over witnesses tO disprove
that:evidence, and to meet both a new case and a new public
prosecutor.
• The LORD CHANCELLOR said that a previous examina-
tion did not limit a Peer in the questions which he might
think proper to put.
Lord LAUDERDALE thought a Noble Lord Might put
such questions wit hoot being called a public prosecutor.
EarIDARNLEY stated that he had been interrupted by
the Noble Lord himself in a question which he wished to put,
and which he considered most proper. This House stood in
the capacity of Judges, JurY, and Legislate'', and he had al-
ways 'understood, that it was the-duty of Judges and Jurymen
,to lean to ithe side of the accused. But he could not help
taking this opportunity 'of expressing his astonishment that
some of their Lordships; instead cif acting as impartial Judges,
should appear more like.—(Cries of order.)
Lord DUNSTANVILLE rose to order,and said a few words
which were inaudible below the bar.
Lori/ DARNLEY disclaimed the-application of what he had
said to any particular persons. But he bad observed a dis-
position in that House very contrary to what he himself felt.
lie confessed that in the execution of his duty,he had thought
it right to lean to the side. of mercy, but he had seen another
disposition in scenic Noble Lords.
Lord REDESDALE begged leave to say, that be had as
strong a sense of duty as the Noble Earl, and was quite as
impartial. He was sorry if any one had given occasion for
the obser6tion which had been made, but he was sure that
it did not apply to one side of the House more than the other-
. Lord HOLLAND remarked, that not satisfied with the
scandst of hearing partiality imputed to one side of the House
the Nbble Lord must add that both sides' were partial.—(A
laugh.)—He admitted the right of any Noble Lard to put any
question'to a witness respecting the conduct of her Majesty,
could not he doubted. But throughout the proceedings, they
had 'restricted the manner of their questions to the forms of
law; and his Noble Friend had been more anxious than any
man in the House to take exceptions' and those exceptions
had (Alen been of great service to their Lordships. If any
new facts could be brought forward, it was fit, for the sake of
common candour and justice, that they should be first sub-
. Milted lo the House, and if it thought fit his Majesty's At-
tufney-Generalvand Solicitor-General, should be ordered to.
intitme a solemn inquiry into them, otherwise fresh matter,
of charge would he introduced without allowing the accused.
the Irene& of a cross-examination; therefore, in candonrand
justice to the House, such questions ought to be abstained
from. Undoebtedly the right existed, but it ought not to be
pressed: iVitli regard to the expression,
.public prosecutor,
be .weeld say that he knew of no public prosecutor but that
'llthige, anti that their sitting there as Judges, Juturs, and
Prnsecuteirs *as the hideous feature of the anomalous pro-
geediogs. •-
The Earl of LAUDERDALE explained.
The Earl of DARNLI7.I also explained. He could not ogree
with hiS Noble Friend (Lord Holland) that the House were

• '
tflOdiS
the only-Prosecutors in this case. Therewas anotber. wool
not appear, and it was a certain species of over zeal IP,. sceG
of tbat invisible Prosecutor, that he regretted to ha
maritesteLOßD dby certain Members of thal House. r M
se'
The CHANCELLoR inquire-d- whetter 1',,,, • Al
ty's Counsel had any more questions to pn‘ to rtif wi'"4-ssAr''
Mi. WILLIAMS wished to Kit a few questtions on re .
ovation totthe wit 4.5. \ ~.
tte ,
°
1 AO'
Were Mil+ pliasiN r on tire titletpf the grotto the IP
rd, or on 4 to-oiiposi side''—On. the opposite side• Lice,
When you spoke of persons employed by you, did Iy'°,berc
fine your answer to persons employed at Milan or el!e
—Sonic were in Milan, and at other places. ,"
How many men bad you at work at the Villa dEs" be' ,ie
fore the long journey there were 85 or 40 briclilaye'tloe orb`
helpers, and after 1 made the contract to do
building,.l had,under me .00 or 300 workmen. 6'
,Mr,ariuGuisi wishrd'to ask whether he could hart ~,v,
13
to Rastelli. He wished his Learned Friend the „Attorto,
neral to say whether be was in this country or nut.
No having been returned, oil'
Mr,answer BROUGHAM stated, that he wished to call Raster
ask him some questions. ,_:. Legr,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL observed. that if his
- to+
Friend wished to call Rastelli, he should take the usual
for pocurin his attendance. Are
111 y r,
11It011g 0311A51 was ready to take them, if leis.

ren
.Friend would say that Rastelli was in this country.
- The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that his Learneaiii
ought to have taken those means at an earlier pell°,castO
wanted the attendance of the individual in question. ."'"7
had been sent as a courier with dispatches to Milan- itaste.
Mr.-BatatioriAm.—ln the midst of •his examinatlai!
has been sent out to pursue bit_ avocations as a coupe% or
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL had understood from his oft.
Friend, that be should not again cross-examine 5910 r
witnesses for the Bill, and Rastelli was sent, not of
knowledge, with dispatches to Milan. • After be !welt,
telli havntg. left the' country, supposing his Learnt fen ti
might wish to examine Rastelli, he had a courier OW' We
fetch him hack again. His Learned Friend ought t°loo,'
told him that be should have wanted Rastelli to 4g... 001
amine him. His Learned Friend might now procure
Lordship? order for Rastellt's attendance. for
Mr. BROtiollAst knew nothing of any pressing
Rastelli's evidence until the cross-examination of the Pia fill
ness, and therefore could give no previous notic!itbeit
Learned Friends, or to those active agents why stipPll! peel
with their information. His Learned Friends ought I°o4ll
to have seen,' that in the cross-examination be had oil'
foundation to contradict the evidence of that witness' „OD'
was their duty to keep I,itu in this country till the deco, be,
proceedings. ~ If there was any thing which those aPoss!,,
they who they might, ought not to have done, it ough.t
been not to send Rastelli out of the country to Gonna'
operations of this Milan Commission..
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL explained, that Rastelli
h to
the courier who had conducted several Italian wity',lo
this country, and the friends of those witnesses at 1‘!,'",0,,e;
tenanting serious apprehensions for their safety, 11%.01,1,
(pence of the ill treatment which they had encoante
had been thought necessary that Rastelli himself sll°
to Milan with letters flout them to quiet their frientls. _4Ol,
telli would 'soon return, and he hoped their Lordsl4o.l4o
not find fault with his having been sent on tbis lad
Meantime his Learned Friend ust take the ordinal.). le
•

to procure his attendance. •
Mr.-13aano WA st-There is now an end to the secorttf.,ol
we have had, that if witnesses perjured themselves W Y; Of
be liable to he' punished. Under these circurnstanc"
Lords, am I obliged to go on with the case ? .01
Tte counsel having been ordered to with 0,,
Lord HOLLAND said, that under every
ciple of honesty and justice, the fact which
cef,
now come out was monstrous.—Alt would Oro,
lect that at the commencement of this 01°0,
nate proceeding, a Noble Lord had sugge't
that iti.a case which rested on the eviderttiottf
persons from a foreign land, of whose pre*,olo
conduct and character, the Counsel and thi fir
must be ignorant, it was possible, nay it 140 POP
bable sonic perjury should be offered at the
Ito
The House then asked what security there
that the same rule would be kept over tbose_fty
nesSes as prevailed in Courts of Justice, anti/
Noble Earl over the way, with a great $137.40,
ance of justice and moderation, said, that tbirjot
it would be extremely difficult, accordivg '4%y?
Constitution, to take any compulsory steps't°,l:o4
tain witnesses in this country, yet that eVeriiieef
that could be done, he would certainly do to. 'JO
them and prevent the ends of justice from l'ettcb
defeated. 'rite Noble,Lord had reeeiVed °toff
commendation for this, candid and satisfac eE
assurance. But 'it now appeared that oltoreitlt
those men charged by the Learned Counsel to
being bribed, and having formed a conspire the
suborn others, a man who when produced otto,
Bar of that House, had given the most disperu:diat
and revolting evidence—it now appeared tnetil
man bad not withdrawn himself, but had hee°
away. out of. the country: He appealed °e sr
Noble Earl, he appealed to their Lordships/ irff
pealed to the whole feeling of the whole couit";,J
whether such, proceedings could be tolerate 3td
There was Rastelli, the Witness who had 4030
the most disgusting facts at 'the Bar °1
House, a Courier by profession, sent as sly' to
the middle of this momentous investigati°4lo
au allied- country by- the agents of the
Commission! The House had -been told bolf ottf
Majesty's Government, you may be stare:osti'
sincere endeavours, as far as the limited c° ear
tution'of the country places the power 'tad at
hands„. in case perjury should be committell be
your Bar, to provide that no person 51)%eti
withdrawn, from justice., And yet in the xcli
course of the examination.
,the man on wbera;fic'
suspicions- rested,.did not retire of his ovvpiority
cord, but was sent away by that very aut.:,ss€s'
which had pledged itself to detain all svitn-ceeti'
If this were allowed, the whole .of the pro lc
ings of the . House were a mockery, and ' .1101(3,
lesque ; its character was stained, and the vets
state of their Lordships' institutions was P
in jeopardy. He implored their LordsbLiPesi
they valued themselvesas 'they valued tl'toor,
cient institutions of the country—the b°sooo
nay, the safety
,of . that country, to take
oliver
effectual means of restoring it to its ficiiiM
presentation, and of wiping off the disgrace
these proseedings had brought. At cl3` •
The Earl of LITER:POOL said, . t; ~ot),
their 'Lordships'indulgeuce for a f4iebbsersio
on the attack made by the Noble' tOrd;
whether that attack- was justified =by anY co,
t
stance proving a departure on .his part.„rr ibet,r
assurance he -hadgisp;oo.-the-Thllo.tl,itf 01°4,
ever was an as:vsrance. given,-by,;;kur.
Lordships, it viefflsitteti with a 7itibere (te"fi Olt
tion to see'Ll'i":'44'.rt'e`4.lrito -.W.Et:.• 6 de Pl'
,
:I%) 00
person,nlqiid.the .Noble 14,1 r. to state
,al/11)31e
of 'Offfelal life, in %chi .
heed out eq;eoloXi; which I did not tree;ealize,: The *Rock of the Noble Lordt.ot
Self I .4119kitanally. regard
whatevombe the. result of this transacti°"sidertej
evermigehief may arise from what 1 e°ll otter t
most violont and inflammatory speechaeloeveroll:slll.r
L
in ,these. walls that his Majesty's ord 1'
are release'dfromany.odiem the Noble (”, to to
affix on. thern,—(Heft.i., hear aio real in t d
ot
was4he duty 'of-- those
rneo
conce._
„.0
transaction to take care the WitnesSeS. Olv