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of the petition against the return of' the Lorough of Great
Marlow Heathcote, Mr. J. W. Childers, Mr.
A. Campbell, Hon. W. Cowper, Sir John Mordaunt ;
Sir J. Y Buller, Chairman.
The following Members were sworn to try the petition
against the' return for the borough of Weymouth i
Hon. C. C. Cavendish, Mr. Thomas S. Duncombe, Sir
G. H. Smythe, Sir P.. Egerton, Mr. Archibald Hastie,
Mr. J. Baily, jun. ; Mr. P. M. Stewart, Chairman.
The following Members were sworn on the Committee,
to try the merits of the petition against the return for
the borough of Clitheroess---Sir R. H. Inglis, the Hon.
H. Berkeley, Sir C. B. Vere, Mr. W. Evans, M. C. R.
Colville, Mr. S.!Ogle; Mr. J. W. Hogg. Chairman.
MARYLEBONE PARISH BILL.
The debate on the Marylebone Parish Bill was then
resumed.
Sir B. HALL, wh6 was almost inaudible in
the gallery, in consequence of the noise which
prevailed in the House, continued by saying that
he objected to tlles clause in the Bill which made
the rates payable in advan se. He understood that
by the Bill the Vestry was to be compelled to levy a rate
for the entire year on the Ist of January, awl to that he
objected. He also objected to the Bill because there
was no provision made for the relief of the poor. The
Hon. Baronet-proceeded to complain that the- sense of
the parish had not been fairlYstakeiOn reference to the
present Bill. He believed that a large majority of them
were opposed to the Bill; and as he saw no justifiable
reason for its introduction, he should move that it be
read a second time that day six months.
The amendment having been put,
Mr. MACKINNON rose to support the original mo-
tion. He would put it to the House whether tha time
had not come for introducing some such change as- that
contemplated by the Bill. The Hon. Baronet had ex-
pressed his satisfaction with the late and the present
Vestry of Marylebone ; but was the Honourable
Baronet aware that the late Vestry had .been-
obliged to borrow a large sum ? and that the
present vestry had contracted a debt of 20,000/. Tha;
vestry was now paying an interest upon the sum
they had borrowed of 1,2001. per annum. One of
their body had been prosecuted for a libel, and the
expenses of the decently were, not paid out of that indi-
vidual's pocket, but the parish was made liable by
die vestry for the entire sum. Now nothing, in his opinion,
could be more monstrous than such a mode of proceeding.
The object of the Bill was to place the mode of election
by ballot in. the vestry on the same footing as the election
ut' members of corporations. The object -of the
Bill was,. to adopt- the principle -of the Reform Bill,
and he was satisfied that his Hon. and Gallant Friend
vas himself aware that would •be its effect
The opposition which had been offered to the Bill was
2ntirely of a political character, as its framers only con-
.ended for the principle adopted by the Reform Bill,
sf voting in a compound ratio.s---(1-1ear, hear, hear.)
Mr. WAKLEY rose amidst cries of " Divide," which
rendered his opening observations inaudible. The Hon,
lentleman who had just sat dOwn expressed his asto-
aishment that the Honourable Member for Marylebone
.vas not supplied with a great number of arguments
igainst the Bill. He (Mr. Wakley) marvelled at his
modesty ; he asked the House to allow the second read-
ing of the Bill, without stating one reason why the Bill
should be carried. Besides, this was the cast-off Bill
if another Hon. Member, the Member for Middlesex,
who, - with an honourable feeling, had abandoned
the measure.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The Hon. Gen-
tleman opposite had taken it up, and he (Mr Wakley)
hoped it might prove a source of torment to him
before he had done with it. He hoped the House would
-xpress some sentiment on the question at issue between
the petitioners to this Bill. and theVestry.—(Hear, hear.)
The petitioners to the Bill had met, in private; they had
not dared to call one public meeting. The Vestry was a
popular one elected by-ballot ; every rate -payer had a
right to vote, but a qualification for vestrymen was tic-
essary ; and so it was; that out of 120 vestrymen 60
were noblemen or gentlemen of liberal professions ; yet
the . vestry did not work well.—s(Hear, hear.) Was
the Honourable Gentleman opposite aware that the
vestry to which he belonged bequeathed a • debt of
120,000/ to the present .vestry, who had reduced
that debt to 53,0001., and had reduced the rates from 4s.
4d. to 3s. in the .1/—(Hear, hear.) The fact ivas;dibtir,;
ever, the vestry had committed two unpardonable offences
in the eyes of the supporters of the Bill—they.-had
attended to the wants of the poor, and had obeyed the
law. Those were the grave and unpardonable offences
they had committed. If the House permitted the second
reading of this Bill without one word being addressed
in favour of it, they ought to be despised and detested
by the peOple. This case really did demand the atten-
tion of Parliament, and he (Mr. Wakley) implored Hon.
Gentlemen opposite, before they gave their votes, to re-
flect well on what they were doing. They called.them-
selves Conservatives, and he (Mr. Wakley) could not
object to the term at all, because he' was as anxious as
they were that everything should be preserved that
was good, at the same time that everything should
be destroyed which was bad,— (Hear, hear.) But what
kind of conservatism was the support given to this Bill?
Hon. Gentlemen opposite conformed to the Reform Bill,
.and the Reform Bill gave. two Members to Marylebone—
the Gallant Commodore and another Hon. Gentle-
man. There I was a furious contest at. the election
for the Borough, and those two Hon. Gentlemen were
returned to that House. Did either of those two. Hons
Gentlemen. support that Bill ? No. The parish was re-
presented in that House, but both the representatives
were hostile to the Bill, and yet the Hon. Gentleman
expected his supporters to vote for it. That
was not the way to support the Reform Bill,
and if that were the nature of the support
they could all calculate what would be its fate, if
they had the opportunity of destroying it. This case
ought to impress upon Members of the House
the necessity of looking at private Bills. The present
Bill proceeded from a reckless band of parochial job-
bers. The old defective and incompetent Vestry, who
wished to get a reinstatement into power, and to defeat
the authorities of the parish who had violated no law—
had obeyed every legal enactment, and had managed the
affairs of • the parish in a frugal. and prudeait
manner. But, says the Honourable Gentleman, have
they not been exposed in- the newspapers-
-have not condemnatory paragraphs appeared against
them ? Yes, they have, and he hoped that the Hon.
Gentleman did not know the- author of them.--
(Laughter.) There were Honourable Gentlemen oppo-
site connected with literature, and they must know
how easy it was to get inflammatory paragraphs
into newspapers. There was no difficulty in that. But
where were the facts—were there any facts ? He tells
you that the mode of election ought be changed,
and he complained that there were five places fixed
where parties could poll, while the law only gavethe power
to appoint four inspectors—in fact, that there was one
limb of the system incomplete. What was the -Hon.
Gentleman's demands ? Why, to cut off the other four.
—(Laughter.) That was bad surgery—(Laughter)--
and he could tell him that, as a professional
man. He trusted the House would reflect on what
they were asked to do iu this case, and unhesitatingly
reject the. present Bill. He was in the parish of Maryle-
bone almost every day, and was in the habit of meeting
hundreds of the rate-payers, and he.could declare posi-
tively that he had not found a single individual
who supported the Bill, or-believed that there was the
slightest necessity for the introduction or adoption of
that measure. Had not the lion. Gentleman some
misgivings as to the motives of those who prompted him
to introduce the Bill ? I There had only been one small
Skirmish, and yet he says there are two parts of the Bill
which he consents to give Up. One of these was a nice
little job for giving a treasurer 1,0001., in order to
provide for some cousin or relation, or some. noodle
who could not get his living .by his own ability:;
the other was the qualification, and the present Bill pro-
posed that till qualification should be raised from 40/. to
60/., and no person could act as a guardian of the poor
who had not 601. a year. He hoped and trusted that
•the Hon. Gentleman, and those who
.prompted. him to
bring in this most flagitious and flagrant Bill would be
defeated, and that it would be rejected by the House of
Commons.—(Cheers.)
Mr. HARDY said that the Hon. Gentleman bad
'stated that no persons in Marylebone were to be found
favourable to the Bill, but he (Mr. Hardy) met with
several who supported it ; and the only. question now
was as to the details. A Bill had been passed
forty• seven years ago on the subject; • and certain
other acts hall been passed to explain that Bill.
'Then came the act called Hobhouse's Bill, and then
the Police Act, and then Mr. TaylOr's Act, all of which
affected the provisions of the original Bill ; and, in con-
sequence, 48 clauses of it. had been rendered useless. lie
was himself a recent ratepayer, and he could find nothing,
definite .on the subject,:, unless he went through_ the va-
rious Bills. With respect to Hobbouse's Bill, it required
eight inspectors, and appointed five polling places.—
(Cries of " Four, four.") The next thing was that the
auditors of the parish were in alms-houses, and he
asked if that did not require alteration. With
respect to the vestry the inhabitants .of Marylebore
had been obliged..to file a hill against it, and ttr.ry suc-
ceeded.—(Cries of " Divide, divide.")
Sir C. NAPIER said that the old vestry had left a
debt on the 'parish of 166,000/., and that the present
vestry reduced it by 53,0001. On what just grounds
then, he wanted to knows-should they seek to turn out
the Vestry which had effetted so much good.—(Criei of
" divi le.")

good hebelie'ved it would create a great deal of miFehief.
It appeared to him to he a mere caricature of legislatiol,
and.he
.hoped the House..would not consent to the sewn
reading of such a Bill.
The Howie then divided
For the motion
. ... Against it
' -Majority for the second reading

The numbers were.---
206
131

Mr. FERRAN") gave notice of his intention to move—
That any person or persons who should attempt to induce
others to give false evidence before a Committee of that
House diould receive condign-punishment; also that that
Houle would bear harmless any working man who
might give evidence ITfore a Committee of inquiry
with respect to the frauds committed by manufacturers;
and also that he would move for a Select Committee to
inquire into the existence of various practised by manu-
facturers and masters of c011i,.-ries upon persons in their
employ.

BORTHWICK gave notice that early after
Easter, lie would call the attention of the. House to the
state of the metropolitan roads, with a view to the better
lighting of the same by the respective parishes thrOugh
which they passed.
PUBLICAN'S LICENSES.
Captain ItOUS gave notice -of his intention to move
for leave to bring in a Bill to facilitate the transfer of
Publican's Licenses.

INTERMENTS IN TOWNS.
Mr. MACKINNON moved the appointment of the
Select Committee to improve the Health of Ton us by
preventing Interments within their precincts -- Mr.
Mackinnon, Mr. I)'Eyncourt, Lord AOiley, Colonel
Fox, Mr. Thomas Duncombe, Mr. Evelyn Denison, Sir
William Clay, Sir Rolurt Harry Inglis, Mr. Ainsworth,
Mr. Beckett, Viscount Mahon, Mr. Cowper, Colonel
Acton, Mr. ICemble, and Mr. Vernon..

WAKLEY said, that as the Committee bad
been directed. to pay due regard to the right:-.4 of the
clergy,, he hoped they would also pay a proper regard
to the rights of parish clerks and sextons.
The motion was then agreed to.

Mr. I,,tAllEg.saidthat there were two or three pa-
rishes in the borough which he had the honour to repre-
sent, which felt deeply interested in the Measure ; and
he trusted he would- therefore be alloWed -to say a few
words upon the subject. He:would first state his doubt
• as to the accuracy of some of the statements made by the
lion. Member for Lymington (Mr. Mackinnon).. He un
f ers tood that the facts mentioned by the Hon. Member
were not facts at all, but were mere stab meats
taken from an article in the .21forniiig .Post.—(ll. :,r,
hear.) He trusted that the House would not be led
away by accusations of that kind. They were now
called upon to repeal an Act, under .which the parish of
Alarylebone had been well governed; and a large part of
its debts paid off and they were asked to pass the
present Bill, which was: called a private Bill, but
which in reality•materially affected public interests and
great principles. The under their consideration
contained 275 clauses, 'anti it was impossible that -the
House could now be prepared for enteringinto a full con-
sideration of their merit.:. If they assented to.
the- second reading ...of the Bill, they would . subject
the parish of Marylebonc, and the parishes of St. James's.
and. St. George's. WcStniinster, to very great and need-
less expense ; because he could -assure Hon. Members,
that though. the. Bill was now -read a second time, there
would • not be. the • slightest chance of passing it
through Committee; before the • end- of , the Session,.
in consequence of the opposition it would meet with, and
the number of.; clauses it contained: It would therefore
be a mere \Atte of time, and be only' to send the Bill
• before a Conitittee: He believed the Bill had been got up
by a-few interested- partieS who-Wished to see restored
the old self-eleeting vestry system. - The measure was
not-Called fOr by the parish at large, and instead' of doing

ask.
Mr. F. T. BARING begged to state that .he had net f the
the Right Hon. Baronet. to enter .into
Bill, but for an explanation of the general YitneiPles
eNch it proposed it should. be carried iffeetir
lOtt
an RKplana'ion
.01ine4
(Mr. Baring) might be permitted to state that lac° 3,t;tet to
introduced the income tax, he thought it his duty t°
the House the nrp'.e and the'iirineit les upon whictt Lemear..ti!
have it colteeted.—(Chcees from the Opposition.l For nl"st
self he (Mr. Baring) should say that he would he the :.ut
person who would call for any inforMation to which 41e vas
entitte4.—(Hear,
PEEL hear.) jrblt
Sir ROBERT apprehended that Mr. Pitt diu
the Right Hon. Gentleman had stated in Committee-( hick
boa )—and that Mr. Pitt did not give the informationto
the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. F. 'F. Baring) p0u,4114
answer to a mere question put at that stage of the p!an
posed by her Majesty's Ministers.—(H ar, hear.)
PRISON
Lord F. EGERTONSALFOR whshD ed to ask the Right .1100(1ramit,ble
Baronet, the Secrete., y of State for the Home DeVart!;,-, 5'
whether any answer had been received respecting the l'eoC
preferred in that Home against the Protestant Chaplanl,
Salford prison.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he had received an answer &omi'
Bagshaw, the Chaplain, contradicting in the most
terms all the chares made against hi n, and stating diitioc tf„.:
that he never preached any sermons offers ire to the .feeliogs.
the Roman Catholic inmates of Salfoid gaol.
t'ORTUGUESE CLAIMS, e able
Captain LA YA RD wished to ask the Right 110"-r the
Baronet at the head of her ;Majesty's Government, whetherkehr
Commi sion appointed to inquire into these claims wme likely
to come to any decision on the claims of the unfortunate oe
had
and men who belonged. to the Portuguese auxilierr• 14,, ers
asked this question because he knew that many Galiant 0"e
and men wet e in a g state of distress.
Sir R. PEELnow said hereat sympathised with the Gallant Of ere
as to the conditi of the persons to whom he referred. d
Commission was appointed by the Noble Lord ; they igeetrs•
judi(ated in many claims, and we e now proceeding with cOl.
Ile tens-le:I their iabours wculd soon be brought to a clnse:
that it would not be long before the) had adjudicated.°
whole of the claims.

.
SALFORD GAOL. in ecav '
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE was understood to say, that td
sequence of shat he had said the other eveningrea:hought
Salford Gaol, the chaplain of that aol had, 'atitiog.
fit to di, ect a letter to the Right Hen. Baronet, c0n0t.r...10, lte
he statement he then made. Now no one '..1..„ sail'
,
more nneilling than he (eh. T. Duncombd) t0.,74,4., or
thing which would tend unjustifiably to hurt the •tt
0114 y
.':
any man, and no one would he more ready to make ell he 0,
reparation for such conduct than himself. But beforei.t he 100
that in the present instance; he must be satisfied th.,sotievi;
misrepresented the person on whose conduct he „.he" Frier('
verted, and that an-apology was due to him. An nofis.o. eat, it
ot.his had informed hinethe chaplain had cent a statc„e ofr•
answer to his remarks, to the Right Hon. Baronet. ru'o, of
Duncombe) had in consequence instituted certain leg id retaf,
his own, and Uith the permission of the House niciutoo the
the result of those inquiries. The first was a letter
Rev. 11r. M'Carthy, the Roman Catholic Chaplain ^t.l_h...ef°l.
11".
The Hon. Member then read the let er, which eapreses
olitael ,
satisfaction of the writer that the statements of the floe
her had been contradicted, as that would give an opP°,',t betor°,.
irovieg their truth, and bringing the matter more foneY4 to de'
the public. The informants of the writer were prePard he 1 •
pose on oath to the truth,eif their communications, and stated
ready to do the same fur the truth of so much mite " he (Mr•
as front his own knowledge. About a month ag°i'les °l' 114
M'Carthy) applied to the gaoler for copies of the oceint"'
prison, for the purr se of transmitting them to Mr. Due r twee
On that occasion, he asked how it happened that rot, pri"
years he had not been called upon to attend any lle
i,i'e the
Boners? The answer was, that the reason for not calllne sera
Roman Catholic priews to such prisoners was, that all tlicileose;
wanted for was to ass st the latter to prepare their
~, rats
This clergyman was told by a female prisoner, about 91
of age, that she had begged, at least 20 times, that I,',„oreati'
should he sent for, and it was on'y after his convers so flit:
the gaoler that she received a promise that she should a 0
priest before she went out to undergo her punislitn,en Vari
(Mr. 11‘Carthy) asked if it was true that ll!''•
,000,
shaw was in the habit of preat hing controversial ; ado'
to the prisoners. She replied that the beginning 81'i.e (3fr'
his sermons were controversial. —( Hear, hear.) ',oat h,113!
M'Carthy was at present attending a sick women who
0' ffeeiea
that the sermons were always controversial, and /ain't 0• ,11r•
Mr',
and irritating to the Irish prisoners. On one' c'ecas-nre'''ti
Bagshaw preached a sermon ngainst the " Real Proc.; ten
point of the Catholic faith which was looked upon gisoiter.ee
sacred: At the conclusion of the sermon, one of the 14. of lbe
an Irishman, stood up and contradicted the doctrines
soj(
preacher, whereupon he was " collared by two turn'aeYt.,/ con:
the woman heard it reported) kept for a week in sol"L'oge !"
finement, and upon bread and water. She could not "Iritol
the truth of the latter part of the statement, as she hauoa tt)
upon rumour ; but all the rest she had witnessed•e doctrine
next Sunday Mr. Bagshaw preached again against th
lama
hash;
of the Real Presence, and was interrupted by the ot o'4
man; who said to him,. " You villain, you will fin., (Ili '
Jesus Christ is present in the sacrament," The writeropro:
111‘Carthy), admitted that this language was exceedineliteatol
per; but it showed how great was the "c hear.)
and irritation of the Roman Catholics.—(llelet'ey fre
Thal sermon was the one which had been described ne tb
other prisoners not of the Catholic religion, as n'a 'f'Stil
Papists as mad as blazes." The letter concluded by :tops;
that all the evidence could be given on oath. Toe Ilfen Owl .
Gentleman then read a letter from Mr. Roberts, w"; s alit '
present master of the Salford workhouse, and ago -tisee m.,,
schoolmaster of the Salford gaol. He did not mend erft'i-
name before, because he did not wish to drag his na7 in Pa
the public unnecessarily. He (Mr. Roberts) ,tate r rs:.:-.
letter that a person named Thomas Smith, a orislea'hicp.s
quested Mr. Bagshaw to preach the sermon over agaal Ir• 13a f;
made the Catholics as mad as blazes, and that he, d ram
shaw, consented. He also stated that a erson nanietritotr
wished to see the priest, and was refused; that to°_, !hat that.,
were looked up fur refusing to attend the chapel, and th iu,,,r')
requested to be confined rather than attend the chaPeoetea` i
Roberts also kept a journal, from which he (Mr. Pua,tl fel'i,
would read a few extracts. The first extract was alea.`„oesa_4l•
1840, and stated that the Rev. Mr. Bagshaw, on a bro, fr 7,
that month, preached a sermon, taking the 147th Pea ioati,lfraa
verses Ito ti, for his text, and that he spoke of th,%4 ill
of prayer in unknown tongues, and that it was a vain 1"--,
„Ji;
On the 17th of March, 1840, S. I'atrick's dap, at"..b.aFr fl
5
o'clock in the day, a sermon was commenced, and o'''lcebt"
principally composed of attacks on the Catholic religion, ,11l
one-third of the congregation were of that ersuasteil'ot,e 'et
prisoners attempted to surround him.: Thep parson eroloss
the Jews and the Romans as idolatrous, and every Pee's',"ses 0
a right to consider them so. He spoke of several ' 'ale '.
uld IA
committing the greatest crimes, and that they .w° old 0 d
INCOME TAX. now, but they dared not. He then spoke of Luther; d sn
owle , for
was twenty-five minutes past twelve before he cAoniate)--0.0
Mr. BARING rose, pursuant to notice, to put a ques- the.po_nr prisoners dinners were' quite cold,---( . Thai oh
Lion—llly'what iimchinery, and under wha.t ar.rangements; their diluters had been waiting since twelve o Mom, the ,01
it is proposed to enforce the payin. cni of the income tax? on St. Patrick's day, and a pretty treat it was for troeil, He begged to assure Honourable Gentlemen that prisoners. He could multiply these sermons on eell'io acre,
he would not address to the House anything but what points. Now, this was the testimony of individuals 'cote
_,, il
was merely necessary for the purpose of explain- he understood, highly respectable persons ; and he 'oniai",
ing, the object of his ' question.—(Hear.) ' The Duncombe) thought, that after he had made that cotnatea ot),
House would recollect that -on Friday last, in tion to the House, in cerroboration of what he bad s'osaks'ia
the full statement which the Right Hon, Gen- former day, that the House would not expect him to thst I'd
tletnan made in Committee,' there was one point, apology to the Rev. Gentleman. The only apology he
due, was to the poor unfortunate persons
.whose cause
et
4i1,•, .
and one point only, upon which the Right Honour-
advocated. He did not think the Right Hon. l'a „A A
able Baronet- afforded to the House no informs them ample justice, in not consenting ;he ppointol-o-h" rii,
don, and that point referred to the machinery by which Committee he (Mr'. T. Duncombe) hadti taskead -for. '-'lO- ;I',-
he meant to apply the powers which he intended he would now consent to one. He (Mr. T. Deneoll'eo- .o';',6, to exercise in the collection of the tax which quite satisfied that, if a fair and impartial CommittaetP" Her Majesty's Government had thought fit to propose to appointed, they would come to the conclusion that tbe.
be laid on -the country on the present occasion. The merits were true.. .
tS 9 tb°
ore
question was put to the Right Hon. Gentleman at the close Mr. O'CONNELL corroborated these
stateroanhe a is 0
of thetlebate the other evening, but there was no wish to con- facts had come to his knowledge, and there could ne(st ,ceofte,
tinue the matter longer; and after the exertions which the Right respectable man than Mr. Al•darthy. He (Mr. e—tpr f* srof
Hon. Gentleman had undergone on the occasion, there was no meant to give notice tomorrow that, immediately a.'-atole°
desire to press him for further information. However, it was a he should move for a Committee to inqure into the Ire
sof
point on which the public hod a right to be informed. It was Catholic prisoners in gaols.
cOlee' ir
with that view that he (Mr. Baring) ventured to put the ques- Lord F. EGERTON, who spoke in a low tone of tel"e
Lion to the Right Hon. Gentleman respecting the omission in amidst niuch noise in the House, raid he did not ;bedri-it tres-11
the announcement which the Right Hon. Gentleman had made lead the House, but the Rev. Gentleman perfectly o:tlheri ,is
He did not wish to ask the Right Honourable Baronet to go statements were founded on fact, The Noble Lord ,r,l)o,`fito
through the whole of the small details and arrangements an extract from the Report of the Inspector of Pais,rta has
which he proposed. What he (Mr. Baring) wished to so low a tone of voice, that it did not reach the a'a'!Vhe '3Ol
have from him was, that which formed part of the Rev. Gentleman stated that the only knowledge ''',l_":ialisied,st
essence of the plan which was now before the, country. He obtained of these charges was derived from what '' .' Pine 0
(Mr. Baring) apprehended that in all measures respecting that House. Previously to the debates on the stitarlod 'Poe
taxation it formed an essential subject of consideration what the House, he was totally unawa e that any complaint' be rseci,
mode should be in which the tax should he levied, inasmuch as made. The Govei nor, whose duty it was to Deliet*,re
the taxes took money out of the pocket of a man without con- sent at the se vice, and who was, jar „ils itet
suiting his ct.invenience or inconvenience.—(Laughter. ) He' a Dissenter, utterly denied that the se"!,,-,-,5. °tog
(Mr. Baring) wished, then, to ascertain what was the-mode of a controversial character. The Visiting Jusll' 'sin er
in which the Right Hon. Hon. Baronet intended to Prising all shades of opinion, hail passed a resolatw",;,irl..l4
proceed, and what the powers he intended to ive the that they had made inquiry into the eubject, and froroblo, ci,e,iusi
Commissioners—if Commissioners he meant to employ? s_.nal knowledge they were satisfied that Mr. 13ag' ,eaci S.
What were the officers on the part of the revenue which he not truly be charged with a- want of charity withgroafi„ti
proposed to employ? What powers he proposed to give those controversial sermons, or making attacks urea
officers? What was the investigatiOn—for that was one of the tholic religion ; that, on the contrary, his conch'• 0 (atboef
main points—what was the investigation and inquiry to marked by a Christian and benevolent spirit to 1101°31 that., for
which the parties who would have to pay -this tax should be as well as other prisoners. The Justices also state 6,0%0r
obliged to submit? He dkl not wish to detain the House with were not aware of a single instance in which an %Pt! veal 'teed
any further observations, but he trusted that the information the attendance of a Roman Catholic priest had ii
coot_
he asked for might be given, more especially after the an- plied with. He thought it was due to the gentlema,_°o tole'
nouncement made yesterday from the Chair, that after a pro.. that this counter-statement should be laid before the Lela'
position was-once before the House, the door of the House Lord A. LENNOX wished to ask the Hon. ;‘,ervil'ept
was shut against any petition or remonstrance whicii the pub- Chippenham, whether it was the intention of the tto Pee the
lie or the country might have to make against the tax proposed to issue percussion locks to the 6 000 troops about 0°
by the Hon. Gentleman. out to.lndia , and whether it was their intenta n '
the t bad 50
tO Sir R. PEEL said the Right Hon. Gentleman had put to same kind of locks to the second battalion ? eltsies (I,
r • .
him seven questions, to which he required answers._.( Hear.) Capt. BOLDER() said it was the intention ohe f g troop" an
He had stated to the House, on bringing forward the measure, '
Government to issue percussion locks to the 6,00 u.
the general principles of the plan to which he, on the part of if necessary, also to the record battalion.
her Majesty's Government, had thought it necessary to have re- ROYAL SOCIETY OF IRELAD; acittatl,l,,stell
course, for the puipose of supplying the enormous deficiency Mr. REDDINGTON wished to ask the lob]t ha so
which, on entering office, he had found existing between the Secretary for Leland, whether the Lord Lieutenay polio., spa
revenue of the country and the expenditure. In the Bill the payment of 2,0a01. to the Royal Society
t;„ocie7tte.o -
for raising a property tax, there were too hundred and whether that would come out of the civil con e'°°
eighteen clauses, and the Right Hon. Gentleman thought it whether the Government l, ad appi oved of that a is ?
,ied 10,
would be convenient for him, in answer to the seven questions havMg tit st taken the opinion of the House on a
.!::„, aceevi „leo'
he had put, to reply to them by stating the purport of the whole Lord ELIOT said that the Royal Society 118.`,, 7;evez'et 01
of those clauses. lie felt that he could not, consistently with the recommendations of the Commissioners, '
tul I'd Pc't )
a sense of public duty, give an answer to those questions with- meant to propose the usual grant, but he co-
ie to'
nut entering into explanations that could nut properly be whit particular suns.
entered into. He therefore could not answer the question, Mr. REDDINGTON said then that he would •
or series of questions, put by the Right Hon. Gentleman. morrow for a copy of Mr. Lucas's letter. ' • . lb
efEN f• Istnr
The Home must feel the extreme difficulty that any one pro- THE FINANCIAL STATE-- i the lee'
posing a great measure must labour under; he had deemed it Mr. LAMBTON stated that a deputatiiiii f"" night , ity
of the utmost importance that the intentions of her Majesty's was about to arrive, for the purpose of giving th;iworiat;" oat
Goverment should be kept perfectly secret ; he considered Baronet at the head of the Goverment very 'easion ("', (lir
that course of the utmost importance, on a measure of finance formation, which probably he was not yet in pms t
0, th
in reference to the commercial and manufacturing interests therefore he (Mr. Lamaten) hoped hit would Pus P
t•iy to
As to the machinery of the plan, nearly all the officers employed cussion of his plan until after Easter.
or, epporlugl"e't l'ei
in the-former collection of the tax, had ceased to exist. He did Sir R. PEEL would be happy to give "—late er°, ti„" s'
not deny the importance of the question, as to the nature of the gentlemen who wished to meet him in con ,tae
. ,„ te_eon-
et
the machinery of the tx; it, was t matter requiring serious saw no necessity whatever fur pestponing to- .
Ila'a"
considelataon ; but he trusted be should. have the privilege the qusstion.. • Rif II"'
• '
accorded to all Chattedlitrs of the Exchequer of selecting the Mr.. REDDING TON— Perhaps the 11
time for explaining the details of the plan. It. would be per- would fix a day fur resuming it.
factlyapen to the Right Hon. Gentleman, in the course ol the Sir R. PEEL—Friday.—( Laughter.) ,v, BILL, ,t; if
SESSMi ° reala, °I
discussion, on Friday next, to rut any queetiou he thoughtthe first "
roper, but lie did not think it fitting to explain to the House, SPECIAL PET t Yrnoved
Mr. G. BANKES, having
iii
answer to a mere question, what was the general purport.of Bill,
provisions so comelicated as those of sueli a I- ill,
such a tax, must necessarily be. Ile must, therefore, beg leari, Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary fin• t. i
._.,... ,taneei Ist Ay
to decline answering the questions pet by the Right
Hon, or of the lion. Member for Dorsetshire (.3I '
C. I."n•lera
i lat the a ,eFo.
lief I
for lee) ing Mm'. C. BULLER said he wished to tieTitiloienia,,ttle_tnetii;_troeftrotollts°'
Gentleman.
report which had reached him (Mr. that„ si„ce t
ce,j,
~„
Lord HO NY ICKasked the Right Hon. Baronet whether, enter- sizes on the Western Circuit! It apPeare(.t,been a g," di,,•'; •
taming the objection he had stated, he would take some' mode ing of the Prisoners' Counsel Bill theieritt.ia:
_.
..„, 0rept.1a4,...,_
or other of giving this explanation, before the House was called disposition, on the part of the Judges—and :,;; J., 0r,,5,.
el 'pi l':,
on to give its assent to the plan, beettese it appeared to him
PI cr refusing the position—to avoid examining witnesshc.snaiiives,Fto takeinrtiall 'i'i.
ing that thereby they might seem
withts. that entire }tubasai 10, e
that the question of the preoriety of
tax, depeuded to no inconsiderable extent on the nature of the of peo.secutors rather than to act
niaotinery to be employed. Ile thou4iit it would be a little
hard if they were expected, after hearing for the first tine on summer the Judges first introduced the P
Celm'cl at I'l'o
to acme i • t'r'ue
Friday next what the machinery the deposit im.s, in al Cases,
the arosecutri,t ail., y Was to be, to give, in the
which once given committed the which became th it po.ition. Ile
course of a few hours, a vote, who was thus celled upo i to_ conduct
.1_
.surn
rtrat„iststrstie
House to the plan. Therefore he would wish to ask the Right
Ilion. BarOnct whether he would eel lain- by what mode he
e set in such CaSeS. But it seemed t.
that 111'1 end
had felt it as a sport grievance the _ sit
proposed to carry- out his proposition. of Doreetsbirecharged withtitheat
the I% ,
000 pia
' f rthering , h
Sir R. PEEL said the Nelda Lord and' other Gentlemen county was
.very properly
be tailed upon n
i that niannev to pay, -01* u h t theY by
I Bl' rderstood ta- eon i
of justice, and he (~tlr. ur.e_ri).
(lieu:
ractice in' .latic:l-ivase ri',
believrtadettith:t
oitailltleocbior,
would have, as a matter of course, the fulleSt oortunity during
the progress of the Bill, to obtain all the information_ hey de- taken measures to put aneid.p
d-to him de't- of Pj"•
sired, and if they thought fit to oppose it, an other course, whichseemt - . ,itr,ites , co"'
of law and justice. The atag el the.
every principle
their acceding Co the
preliminary resolntions wou'd not et allpledge them to the .de-
he eas informed introduced the eidetic .315 at , i
tails of the Bill. He shun! I . . setshire had,
. certainly decline to answer the . .
' •take rl al°
prisoners over the Assizes to,
,00
question miffing i , er• ,t .ates :heir(]', ea al ,
at present, but he would at an early period, when he adopting.
' next sessions. It appearen that the A. -
ag."' i` ' ! •trg th`
had an opportunity of entering into the queetion full state the- - ,
of ir iseentors at sessions to he c.); ~ving ~,,
the expenses . 1 .. - • sake ei s•
ited te
general principles upon which the • ' Billwould
t e machinery of the
and those wise Magistrates, for the 3
_,;ei, be carried • into effect, and the mode in which the tax would be counties, •
expense of a guinea to Counsel at the- Assizes, LW.'
collected.-(Hear.)
-