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at the timeof the appointment , and the names of the noblemen
and gentlemen who recommended them.—( Laughter. ) As he
;twt sons his legs, he hoped the Committee would excuse him in
vk__Ping to do justice to the merits of a very gi eat man.
tau" he (Sir C. Napier) brought forward his motion for a
. ~val man to he placed at the bead of the Admiralty, the flight
ti..),P, *rt. Baronet read a speech of Mr. Pitt's, condemnatory of
taw ii
:they.:f d St. Vincent as First Lord of the Admiralty. Now, whe-
sati,,.this vtas true or not, it was no argument against his ( Sir
to I,o!!,t,r4apier's) motion. He might as well put the case of Lord
1,1104 Lititietatt„
.1,, hi;;l•latham, who was put in and turned out by his brother, Mr.
Taßainit he (Sir C. Napier) thought that when the Right
'Willi. ". Baronet read the speech of Mr. Pitt, in justice to that
(Lord St. Vincent) he ought to have gone further.
''''' r; nerneb in speaking on the same subject, expressed his
• .. I:ll.averile t.hat the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) should
,rl,_ Rightchang in his sentiments respecting Lord St. Vincent.
z'
.. for Hon. Baronet found fault with him (Sir C. Napier)
,'- 4.reconimending a. naval officer, and said that it would in-
(Tern with the prerogative of the Crown ; but he (Sir
Rightrls ier) only followed the example of the
Hongtaughter:)uble Baronet, when he brought forward
a, motion to displace the whole of a Ministry.—( Cheers and
He (Sir C. Napier) must again express his °pi-
t. - ?Ron that a naval man ought to be at the head of the Ad-
he"irshr, and he did hope the Right Hon. Baronet would, when
had
emintin
- .:. ~,..: . an oppoltunit—y,
a naval
offieer dotojutshatict office. He (Sir C. Napier)
justice naval service byap:
poke for the good of the service and the country. Had such
,:. rubeen the ease before, the late disasters that have befallen India
ht not have takenplace; .and he hoped the Right Hen.
_iltont in future appointments would not listen to the recom-
necopy the situation.
"ndatiots or to the claims of friends, but appoint a man fit to
2Th_c vete was agreed to. • servi,:ei.s/. was voted for defraying the expences of medical
49 44, 2a
for divers miscellaneous services for the year.
r uut7sn.
• . )8., „_,was voted for military pensions.
22:.a00/. was also voted for civil pensions.
stores. for freight and ships for the transportation of
95,794/
com‘i • was voted for defraying the expenses of conveyin
. .
~!ts to New South Wales.
'1.0,54. was voted for defraying the charges of the packet-
Theservice in
, conveying the mails.
wal',RA IttmA x then reported progress, and the Report
next,
rest,t.red to be received.mi Monday and the House

in Ireland, of the repeal of the malt drawback in that. part of
the United Kingdom. •
Mr. REDINGTON expressed his surprise that the 'GO-
vernment should now move for a Committee, after they bad
already made up their minds on the subject.
After a few words from Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN, the mo-
tion was agreed to.
In reply to a question from Mr. P. BORTHWICK,
Sir I. GRAHAM said that he would state on Monday when
he would proceed with the Poor-law Bill.
The House then adjourned at a Quarter-past Eleven.

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COUNTERACTION of INFIDELITY.
By means of public advertisement bearing the ahoy? bead .
ing a meeting was convened yesterday, at the Hanover-square
Rooms, for the purpose of receiving from Mr; John Brindley,
a report of the declining state of Socialism ; and to hear a state-
ment of the present plans and future prospects of the
Socialist party in relation to their community establishment in
Hampshire. The advertisiment stated that John Hardy, Esq.,
M.P., would preside ; and by way of a nota bene, it was ad-
ded—" As this meeting is not called for discussion, no inter-
ruption will be allowed—admission by tickets only, which will
be sent free on application to Mr. Brindley, at No. 11, Exeter
Hall." The meeting was convened for 12 o'clock, and at that
hour, though the room was but very partially filled, Mr.
}Judy, M.P., accompanied by the Bishop of Chester, Mr.
Brindley, and one or two reverend gentlemen of small note,
entered on the platform, when Mr. Hardy was voted to the
chair.
Prayers having been read by the Rev. Mr. RAINFORTH,
The CHAIRMAN said, as he occupied the chair more as a
matter of form than for any duties he had to discharge, it
would be presumptuous in him to occupy their valuable time
by any observations of his own. The meeting was not called
for the purpose of discussion, but merely for the sake of re-
ceiving information from Mr. Brindley respecting the state of
Socialism.
A GENTLEMAN at the bottom of the room wished to know
from the Chairman whether he might be allowed to correct any
mis-statements which Mr. Brindley might make in the course
of his address ?—( Cheers.)
The CHAIRMAN said, if the person who had just spoken
had come in with a ticket, by which only he had a right to
come in, he would see that he had pledged himself to be go-
verned in all things by the Chairman ; and his determination
was, to hear no observation from any other party but Mr.
Brindley.—(Oh, oh 1)
The GENTLEMAN said he only wanted to know whether he
might correct Mr. Brindley, in case he should make any mis-
statements.
The CHAIRMAN—No one can be allowed to interfere in this
meeting.—( Cries of " Shame," and hisses. )
A YOKE—We came here to hear the truth.
The Rev. Mr. TAYLOR, of Chester, said he thought it
would not be right to allow one word of comment from any per-
son, on what might be said by Mr. Brindley.—(oh, oh 1 hisses,
and cheers.) He knew Mr. Brindley to be one who might be
relied on—( Confusion, and cries of " No, no")—and if there
were no minister of Christ to speak for Mr. Brindley, surely
the ability with which he had conducted his proceedings, spoke
something for him. He hoped Mr. Brindley would not be in.
terrupted, but if any one should feel annoyed at the truths
which he might bring forward, he had better wait for another
occasion to testify his disapprobation of them.
Some person in the centre of the room then rose, but he
gave way to
.11r. BRINDLEY who commenced by saying, that he thought
it right to state, in order that the ladies might not be
alarmed, that he had a number of police in attendance to re-
move any one who obstructed the business of the meet-
ing: he was not sorry, indeed he was greatly delighted to see
some of the leaders of the Socialists present. and as they had a
weekly paper of their own published regularly in London, they
could answer any mis-statements of his in that paper. He
should endeavour first to present to the meeting the history of
the rise, progress, and present condition of Socialism, under
which misnomer might it nut be said that modern infidelity
had prevailed amongst us ? He should then make one or two
quotations, which would show the intentions of the Socialist
party, and would prove their system to be one which set at
defiance God, which denounced all religion, which denounced
all marriage, which took away all responsibility, and which
threw open the flood-gates to every speeies of vice and crime
which man could invent. First, then, he would say that though
it was generally understood that Socialism was a bail thing,
but few were aware of the extensively organised
means that had been used to propagate their views,
and how gradual a progress they had made in the
world for some years. He had been acquainted with
their movements for fifteen years. When first Mr. Robert
Owen came out and received the support of many influential
people, he was professedly a Christian man, and his establish-
ment at Lanark was under the conduct of Christian ministers.—
( No, no.) But in 1828 he began to bring out his real inten-
tions; then he thought of doing away with all responsibility,
with marriage, with religion, and with the worship of God ;
and, instead of all that, we were all to be inhabitants of a
sort of parallelogram, in communities of 500, where there
should be no restraint, but where all should do as they liked,
think as they liked, and speak as they liked; because, not
being free• agents, and having no responsibility, they could
not help doing as they liked. They progressed but slowly until
1835, when they became a regularly organised body. Com-
mittees were formed, consisting of men of good business habits ;
their central board was in Birmingham, and they sought out
men for their missionaries who had the talent of speaking,
paying them good wages, and allowing them travelling ex-
penses. From that time till 1838 and 1839 the progress they
made was alarming ; their organised branches had been more
than doubled ; they had efficient tract societies at work, and
were issuing to the extent of 1,000,000 copies of tracts and
small publications per annum. At that time, when Socialism
had thus gained ground, it was forced upon him (Mr. Brind-
ley), then residing at Stourbridge, in Worcestershire, where he
was conducting a public school, by a challenge to meet him
from Mr. A. Campbell, a Socialist missionary, u
then at Sto r
Stour-
bridge. He attended that meeting, and beat Mr. Campbellon
his own ground. He afterwards went to a meeting called '
Mr. Owen, at Worcester; him he beat, and Mr. Owen left
the meeting followed by the execrations of thousands of people.
He then followed him to Birmingham, where the result was
happily the same, and the Socialist party there now was a very
insignificant ene. He continued his operations against Socialist
fallacies for three years, during which time he had travelled
more than 30,000 miles, had attended 500 public meetings, and
had written and published 100,000 tracts and books. He now
came in the second place to the quotations to which
he had referred in the opening, and the first to
which he would call their attention was from a
pamphlet called " Owen's Lecture on 111arrii,Lik!," p. 54:
.1 I resume the subject of marriage, because it is t'he source of
more demoralization, crime, and misery, than any other single
cause, with the exception of religion and private property."—
( Hear, hear, from the Socialists. A voice "Be ye not called
bastards," uproar, and cries of " Turn him out," " Order,"
and " Cheers.") " These three together are the great causes
of the crime and immorality which exist amongst mankind."—
(Cheers from the Socialists.) He saw from those cheers that
he had not mistaken their principles.—( Hear, hear.) He be-
lieved it to be a system which would cause anarchy and con-
fusion to reign throughout the country, by which the strong,
idle, wicked, lazy man, might rob the industrious of that which,
by his labour and industry he had been permitted to accumu-
late.--( Cheers.) But the system went beyond that, it was
not satisfied with making its followers wretched for time, but it
would blast their hopes for eternity. He would say then that
he could not but consider this as an awful and a devilish system.
—(Cheers.) There was one more passage which he should
quote, in proof of the positive Atheism which their principles
inculcated. It would be found in the report of a public discus-
sion between Mr. R. Owen and himself, when Mr. Owen said :
" My belief then is, that in all the religions of the world it is a
fundamental principle that man has a free will, forms his own
character, and determines his own conduct ; ths.t he has the
power of believing or disbelieving in a God, of ascertaining his
attributes and qualities, and that he shall be punished hereafter
Tt he.doea not believe in a God, and ascertain these attributes
and qualities; that he is accountable for his will, his conduct,
his feelings, and his thoughts; and if he believe according to
the dogmas of his religion, and act up to that belief, he shall be
happy after death ; but that if he does not believe in God, in
his qualities and attributes, he shall, after death, be eternally
tormented. I believe it is a fundamental principle in all reli.
gions, that prayers, and forms, and ceremonies, are necessary
to enable the individual to know God ; and it is moreover ne-
cessary that he should contribute money for all godly purposes ;
that in all these religions, whoever disbelieves is an infidel—
therefore I am an infidel, for I believe none of them."
He might have added positively " an Atheist," because he did
not believe in God. Instead of God, these unfortunate men
positively worshipped Mr. Owen, for he found that at a late
meeting all the Delegates had made a presentation to him re-
questing that he would finish some book on the New Moral
Word which he had commenced, "so that," in the words of
the presentation, " when you depart from among us, and we
see your face no more, yet we may read the perfect picture of
your mind, and may by you be taught the words of life."—
(Laughter.) Here, then, these men had given up the worship
of the living. God, and had degraded themselves to worship. a
worm like themselves—a poor foolish old man, who had
brought forward as a system to guide them the most ridiculous
piece of folly that had ever been imagined. He would now
proceed to show that Socialism having prospered so far,
had gone gradually and rapidly down. In Bristol they
had gone to nothing. Socialism there was as a thing that
had been. In Liverpool they had been obliged to shut up
their Institution, and advertise it to be let or sold. In
Chester, likewise, where they had established a book-shop,
and had taken every means to perfect their views, they had
not lately held anything ,like a meeting, and their book-shop
was closed.—(Cheers.) It appeared from their own Report,
published last Christmas, that out of eighty .five places where
Socialism formerly was progressing, there were only thirty-
nine left in which its principles were openly taught and ac-
knostledg,ed ; and of those there were certainly not five but
were deeply in debt to the executive of the Society ; and their
whole strength throughout the kingdom had dwindled down to
1,776 members, and in August last the whole of their mis-
sionary staff was disbanded. At Leeds and at Bradford he had
been made acquainted with the good which had resulted from his
labours, and at the latter place the operatives had presented
him with a signet ring. But the Socialists might perhaps say,
" Will you attempt to palm off on us that Socialism is declin-
ing, when we have just completed a beautiful building in
Hampshire at the cost of some 19,0001. ?" He would explain
how it would be. quite consistent that Socialism might be in
a thoroughly declining state, and that they had just finished a
very handsome building. The building would be no good un-
less they were able to show that they had funds enough to
support the people in that building; it would only serve as a
large monument of folly to point at them the finger of scorn.
This community establishment commenced in 1839, when they
prevailed on about 50 people to go down and constitute them-
selves an embryo social community. They were all to be ladies
and gentlemen, and were to set an example to the old worn-
out immoral world, and their's was to be a " new moral
world." And so most assuredly it would be, for their's was
to be nothing in common with the old morality—(Loud cheers
frem the Socialists, and counter cheers)—because every one was
to think as he liked and to do as he liked. Then the astonish.
ing harmony that was to be there I they were to live in a per-
feet paradise, and therefore they called it " a New Harmony.''
Harmony arising from 50 people all differently organised, think-
ing as they liked and doing as they liked I—( Cheers and
)aughter. ) They then issued a report on the Ist of October,
0339, and they dated it, "New style, year I, first day."—
(1.044 laughter.) But how long did that new style exist ?
i,"by it never fin;shed its first year, it ceased to flicker in
July, 1840.—(Laughter.) In Slay they were in a regular
state of disunion, and he told the Socialists not to go down
there, for if they did starvation must follow. Mr. Brindley
then read sev,sral letters from persons who had been in this es-
tablishment. G:ke said that the place was more like a work.
house than anything else, and theie was no glass in the win-
dows. The present establishment., which had just been opened
in Hampshire, had not been erected by the Socialists, but by a
company of speculating men, who had taken shares as a build-
ing company, in hopes that Mr. Owen would get enough in-
mates to enable him to rent the building of them. So it yet
remained to be seen whether the building was to be
a Socialist one or not. lie had been to Bristol,
to Liverpocl, and Chester, and he found that they had had
quite enough of community there. He then went to Ham p.
shire,
people there, so far from being just
ready and he
to n
enter found
intothe
commune.y,
just
in a
state of open revolt ;
and they told him that he should have ')lenty of filers, for they
had been most grossly deceived; and that I:!alcad of being a
community for working men, it was for some of the great ones,
" some of them up at the top." And there was Mr. Robert
Owen, not living in community, but in the principal inn of
the place,_ riding about in his carriage. There was one poor
family there, in particular, who would be very glad to get back

Lam COLONIAL PASSENGERS BILL.
-Illisss STANLEY moved the further consideration of the
. on this Bill.
of ts" IiAWES was understood to ask for the postponement
r the '1 for a short time.
sal:014 STANLEY said that as notice had been given on the
Ny4", asid as it was essential that the Bill should be passed
pc, as little delay as possible, he could not consent to its post -
•Z HAWt There was no objection to the Bill except one clause.
new ES said, that he would take the opportunity 54
sind.'ng that the clause be struck out, when the Bill was again
e 's •mr
sssooslueration.
is se• wAICLE Y said, that the manner in which the Orders
, -• tile is.
these -y were taken was very inconvenient. He should,
in th„,°sre, suggest, that the Orders should be put in the paper,
' I ts;ticcession in which they were to.be taken. With
.regard
-r4i 1,,,,,-- nal 'of the Noble Lord, the only objectionable clause
•'S teesda,"` to the Hill Coolies. He thought the. subject should be
1/I.l.llorbsiFt7k,r,.:.fthseepHareautesel.egislation, and not be introduced into the
tuns "'IANLEY said, that the objectionable clause gave no
.'s . sirs;vcrs vshatever.
' ',Wks, Zs PEEL said it was his wish to anticipate what had
the "iil 'the Hon. Member for Finsbury, with regard to
. t soa:".,,et'ssion in which the timers were to be brought under sitselsgo.rtion.' He thought it was generally understood that
, throe 'rdintiace and Navy Estimates should be first gone,
• Act, gi, and that these, together with the Colonial Passengers' but .Pold afford business enough for the evening. They
d _he
cisarl that the three subjects be mentioned would he suTd-
'sSit He was however agreeably disappointed, and he would The in future to provide six or seven orders.—( A laugh. )
`to ''s:.ealtlendments were then agreed to, and the Bill ordered
''''' read a third timeon Friday next.
`„ PENTONVILLE PRISON BILL.
readu'i the motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM this Bill was
eree4 third time. The Right Hon. Gentleman said that he
'ired the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath wished for
sZ s
,n't parate system of punishment, and he would have an oppor-
s.9 of stating his opinions on a future occasion.
'llr ROEBUCK expressed himself satisfied.
. sidTRE AUSTRALIAN NEW ZEALAND BILL.
4 s
THE Bill was read a third time and passed.
This EXCISE DUTIES COMPOUND BILL.
'Lois Bill was read a third time and passed.
ROASTED MALT BILL.
„„itlr.. GREENE brought up the Report on the Roasted Malt
I°lll, which was ordered to be received.
'rite INCUMBENTS' LEASING (No. 2) BILL.
On the motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM, the House re-
34Iraied itself into Committee on this bill; Mr. GREENE in the
th
niche whole of the clauses were agreed to, and the Report was
(d to be brought up on Monday. The House then
tessarned.
ECCLESIASTICAL CORPORATIONS LEASING
(No. 2) BILL.
' On the motion of Sir J. GRAHAM, the House went into
„Committee on this Bill, and after a few words from Sir J.
.GRAHAM,
H AM,
SsMis HAWES said, if he understood the provisions of this
rerty•logill they were about to give an increased value to Church
(pro-
, and they were on the eve of converting that into a fwnd
a. the benefit of the Church. They were now in a situation
licit only of largely increasing the value of Church property,
buy of making a large grant of public money for Church Ex..
44,4i:0n. The House might pass it, and the Right Hon. Baronet
Siksh,t bring in such measures based on Conservative grounds,
lit l'Ae, must say, that it would give great discontent out of
`r.s On behalf of a large class out of that House, he did say
'bat.t is e Church had enough already for all spiritual purposes,
l'ldie at tgraentin. it he was sure they were not adding to its
'Pisitual % selfsre. •In the present state of the House, he would
4stve t sto take up the time of the House, but he thought it
I,L n ur, .
slaty to express his protest against the Bill.
ktU'' J. GLIA HAM explained, but in so low a tone of voice
:,0 be inauilible.
lis"'lr, W A KLEY said he wished to know whether the incum-
t„*st derived any benefit from this law, and what was the diffe.-r ,tween corporations aggregate, and corporations sole.
at fat J. GRAHAM said--With respect to corporations ag-
-I.'"'l e, Parliament hail come to an arrangement, and fixed the
tesistia4t of. charge on each individual, limiting the amount
.to
tiosr -is",from the funds. In corporations sole, the appropna-
tole 11-sswujls be for the life of' the incumbent. The corporations
Yrars..4 ": have the power of granting lease 3 of nine,ty-nine
e' "d n -1,24 43 the individuals constituting the corporaar de-
'°rP OriZ,-`nefit from the change. -so, on the other hand, in the
I‘l sf ,s sole the incumbent would derive great benefit.
taarsr rots' WES said, he understood then that a beneficed clergy vslo,
,u,n Might held more livings than one, would havet the
t
bess 'lts livines increased, and would be benefited; b
,s ss a sul 0, r 5
"Uld rapter, suppose they leased property under this Bill,
hents r 'ece-ve verismall advantages. Why should. these
. incum.
144441'1%Y of whom had large incomes, receive this great ad-
111sli whilst the Dean and Chapter received none?
Nerlto 'C'E RUCK could not see why, in one case, property
adp.e-
'p ze rtain
4 Priatmlo., purposes, should be. sacredly and religious
stisv'ted to a "t purpose, and that in an_other case it should be
as; op._ verY different purpose. He thought that corpora-
%e jsis",,„,s gate and sole, should be placed on the same footing.
f, 44(1- 7' E S GRAHAMexplained,
'lves s';• MANNERS thought the Bill introduced by the
bs'qr,4gPsst was ftrunded en very just and right principles.
sss-fstitetS;;',.."TßEß TON thought that the Bill waS intended
s"„"etestiLuY one general'Act, which had hitherto always been
-rt,fess "3, several private bills. It would enable persons who
'st 1 ,e,,, a
,tuo4tal.„ great deal for the Church, to alienate the property
ft 'r Cre‘....tr for their own individual interests.
I't isiessk.A w said-that it was not fair for the Hon, Member.
'le* Till to refer to the Appropiation Clause, which,
. in a
' aols,sl I,!', the Nellie Lord who introduced that Bill (Lord
4lr * ' sad HAW :I"°ned•
11,' , —4,1. ~•e S denied that the clause had been voluntarily
f"s‘th is ~s Ile
se Noble - Lord who had carried the Bill
,ssi lus ` -,stia-is, ttou, having a proviso that the increased value
t _Med Vr°Perty should be carried to the credit of the Con-
t 5,,,,0nd, and be appsied to State purposes. i•s.l lisioss',ANLEY th Ight that the Bill did not go through
I St,'" rented the form which the Hon. Member for Lambeth
its:' alien ,As well as he remembered, facts were
IN 'INS os'll!'e (Lord S.) found on the disccussion on the second
Sir 41'00 th nat Bill nine years ago, that. the construe
Pro ' that it' Appropriation Clause by both sides of the HoF.se
titi klty iroWaS the first step to the alienation of ecclesiastical
, A ring th al ecclesiastical purposes, he withdrew the clause,.
,‘‘tii :,_ Setia,tishse would not be a party to any such abenaltinnh.
"In ‘.1.% gill,'LEY had been sick enough of the Irish II es, 'to BY
h would ask was the House pre-
a sil, 'et,sty :}Zitliat every ° improvement in the value of Church
i ss, l'ton t .go to benefit the incumbent only? He bad no
, kj 1 litsd'° Increase the income of those who were insuffi-
't .Q sa L.' bat when they were going to make a law that
I. 'tht °1144,11,1 •
h kt, that they increase the value of Church property, was
h°l is .ralIA s Y should give all the advantage to the incum-
lr' is‘.;tise ()is-tog to the Church or to the congregation? He
ts.:,' .5.14,11 a 'use would not allow such a Bill to be pressed
'''' ts"Slis..k)rornittee so small. He trusted, therefore, that
Z` 'ltilr °I I. Baronet would consent to the Chairman' a re-
ll,ltsil'h,JANfltlik"tran(! asking leave to sit again.
Ist- it s. Psis. i '1;111 could not conceive how any objection
fthis Bill, which was only
1141,
latia ittjd.t.. against the claurs °
NI th 444.-3
to het. let for building what could not now be so
Ise set,9 is !o. )'men held
son bringing up the e-
o.bjections to the principle of the
iis ,t'l Litt the 11131'.° their °biefl°n ld lot take any step
' .„7;t114 third reading-. He civil I
IN It t-qub ‘t f'linging uti of the Report
4 ;qill tiZine ample notice. or for the third read-
went through Committee ; the Report to be
k v 4 -
P. T 3 lity fortnight.
sll}lti;4W. OF MERCHANTS ACT.
tl s.l S -toitte°ll that -the Speaker leave the Chair, to go into
h°,- ri',QtA f())11 this Bill, -
0d 'r4 STON
not now intro-
IN of; the s L E said that this Bill was
NI 01 -2'11,,,,!'5t time; it was founded on the representa-
tN " ,14141,-", Ink merchants both of the metropolis and Li-
ssittket ",,,ih:en-it7t4r
,iintended to give effect to a series of changes
tts,'i i -k wants o.uced into mercantile practice, and to meet
'' ''' 'e it Was of their commerce. In the words of the
Ntki N l'etl go-0,4s intended to give security and validity to ad-
,,,lt , gsss": and merchandise. It was also intended
001 ,Pri,, r,i'er security to sales by agents, as
the
by thes-P's, and to remove various restrictions
`Ae t.°‘ ,)1 - Prose and
1 The present law did not allow of
I)the lit:'S ~ the g law,
. tl,s 1,41 of sro.und of pcssessinn of the goods only, but on
,gi'Zlt of tTletatnents, such as bills of lading, ent.itlingvtoe
g ds. The present law
.p. oP
r oseu to give
'iltl%l!ti.' Zessineg th°e° goods, the same facilities as the agent
not ? Vl*
taperss,Pae and documents.'
It would also assume
so tthninS I:l'ab°l4 country to that f other
ob. e ss,thst to give these additional facilNe
nations. It was
Jeer's' t t
I could at all tend to render frau and he did
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to their .old quarters.—(Loud cries of " Name, name," with
Order," " Chair," &c., which continued for some time. )
The CHAIRMAN said if order were not restored, he should
direct the police to remove the noisy parties.—(Cheers,
mingle.; with groans and hisses.)
Mr. 13aiximev then pointing to a most respectable looking
person near us, and in whom we had not observed the slightest
impropriety of conduct, said, " Mr. Jones, you are one of the
leaders, and unless you are quiet, the police shall turn you out."
Mr. joriks replied, " I shall be quiet, Sir ; I can listen to
you with patience; I know you well." .
The cry of " Name, name" still continued, when
Mr. BRINDLEY instructed Mr. Morley to call in the police.
Several policemen then entered the room, and order was
again restored.
Mr. BRINDLEY then continued—He did not know the name
at present, but he would get it, and publish it in the daily news-
papers.—(Loud cheers.) The building was not furnished, all
they had in it being a few mattrasses and beds of a most inferior
description. The people in the neighbourhood were sorry that
such a building should have been erected, because they
don't know what to do with it when the Socialists
shall abandon it. They don't want a union work-
house.—(Laughter.) It was built on one of the very worst
parts of Hampshire; there was no water there, and coals were
30s. a ton, so it was quite unfitted for manufactures. He had
been asking some gentlemen whit it would do for, and they
said they could only think of one thing that it would do for ;
and it would do for that very well,—" a lunatic asylum."
Having reduced Socialism to such a condition, and their mis-
sionaries being disbanded, he would not give them that noto-
riety which they would attain by discussing with them any more;
they were just dying, now, and he was not going to keep them
in existence by again creating a stir amongst them ; he was
now retiring for the present, and he should have the honour in
future of acting under a committee, which had been formed at
Chester, with the sanction of the diocesan, and his course would
be to visit those places, and endeavour to root out the noxious
remnants of Socialism, which yet remained. In the course of
his labours, he had incurred great pecuniary difficulties,
but he was happy to state, that he had received
from a few Christian people within these few weeks
as much as had enabled him to wipe off arrears to
the amount of about 3501. He hoped this meeting would bring
about a revival, and would tend to check the progress of So-
cialism in London, where he was glad to say it was much on
the decline--so much se, that a gentleman informed him that,
on calling a few nights age at their principal Institution in
John-street, Tottenham Court-road, on a regular lecture
night, he found it closed, and was told at their book-shop, next
door that not being able to keep up the excitement they had
closed it altogether.— (Cheers. ) In conclusion, he begged to
thnnk the meeting for the attention with which they had lis-
tened to him. To (loci alone was all the honour due, and to
God he desired to give all the praise.—( Applause.)
The Lord Bishop of CHESTER then proposed, and the Lord
Bishop of NORWICH seconded, a vote of thanks to Mr. Hardy
for his conduct in the chair.
Mr. JoivEs called for a show of hands, and a great many
were held up against the motion, but we think not so many, as
in favour of it.
The CHAIRMAN then rose and attempted to return thariltS,.
but the hisses, groans, cheers, and great contusion that pre-
vailed rendered his remarks quite inaudible.
Mr. JONES next rose, amidst loud cheers from his own party,
and appeared to be about to address the meeting, when the
police were again called in and ordered to remove him; on this a
rush was made by the Socialists to the spot were Jones was stand-
ing and he was immediately surrounded by some forty or fifty
stout men, who seemed determined that he should not be
turned out. The scene which ensued baffles description ;
every one was speaking at once, and the noise was tremendou..
At length three groans were raised against the Church, the
Bishops, and the Lecturer, three cheers for Mr. Owen and
Community, and Sir. Jones and his friends marched out of the
room, with the police at their backs, and the meeting imme-
diately afterwards dispersed.

From which there has been deducted the
amount of two dividends, since paid to
the Proprietors, viz.
Allfidsummer; 1841, of 4 per
At Ch4SMas, 1841, ditto 21,600
. .

43,200 0 0

. Leaving the Slim -or • • • £62,291 17 7
To which is to be added the amount of the
net profits for the year ending the 26th.
being the last Saturday of March, 1842,
after deducting all expenses, and pro-
viding for all bad and doubtful debts ... 51,908 8 2

Making the amount of the rest or undi-
vided profits, at 26th March, 1842 £114,200 5 9
" In this state of the Bank's affairs, the Directors, re •
cognising as on former occasions, the rights of the ex-
isting Proprietors to participate in the prosperity of the
Bank to such an extent as may consist with a due regard
to the well being of the establishment, have muclr satis-
faction in announcing their intention to pay in July
next, an extraordinary' dividend '6l- bonus of four per
cent., in addition to the usual half-yearly dividend of the
same amount, which will make the sum to be -then paid
2/. on each 100/. share, and 16s. on each share of 101., for
the half year ending at Midsummer next."—(Cheers.)
The CHAlRMAN—Gentlemen, you have heard the Re-
port, and if any observation suggests itself to the mind
of any Proprietor, or if there is any question any gentle-
man may wish to ask, it will be our pleasure, as it is our
duty, to give him an answer.—(Cheers.)
Rev. Mr. HEWSON—We must all admit that the Re-
port is most satisfactory, and does great credit to the
Directors; but before the Report is adopted, I should
like toknow what is the difference in the amount of profits
between this year and the last ?
The CHAIRMAN replied, about 5,000/.
Mr. HEWSON—May I ask what is the cause of a new
bank, called the London and Dublin Bank, being
started ? I believe the Provincial Bank. is in the con-
fidence of the public at large in Ireland, but I fear it
does not, in some instances, extend its accommodation
as other banks do. The Directors, I know, act with
great caution, which does them credit, and I think there
is no ground for disapprobation towards this Bank. I
know we had many accounts of Poor-law unions, one of
which has been taken away, and has been transferred
to the National Bank, which was in consequence of the
Manager having refused to advance money, arising
from the reply he received .to a communication made
to the Poor-law Commissioners, who said the Guardians
had no right to borrow money ; but I understand the
National Bank has lent them money. I wish to know if
they gave you any security on your lending them money?
If they can,'l think it bad policy to refuse them the loan
-OA few thousand pounds. I wish to know if the Poor-
law COnirniSSioners, in their corporate capacity, can give
security ?
The CHAIRMAN replied, certainly not.
Mr. HEwsoN—Then I am sure the Directors have
acted very wise!y, in not advancing money without
security.
The CHAIRMAN—The Provincial Bank has, with re-
spect to all the unions, acted with great liberality. There
is an extent to which we may go, with the sanction of
the Poor-law Commissioners, but without that it would
not be prudent. We asked of the Poor-law Commis-
sioners if the Guardians could give us any security, and
they said " No." I do not know why a new bank is
started, but I am sure the Provincial Bank is ready to
give every accommodation to Ireland, and to those who
have a right to it.—(Cheers.) I am sure great mischief
has taken place from the free manlier in which accom-
modation has been given ; we therefore thought we
should not countenance such a course.—(Hear, hear.) I
know no legitimate accommodation has been withheld.
Rev. Mr. HEwsoN—l am sure the Bank has been
condacted in a most admirable manner, but I will leave
it to others to move the reception of the Report.
The CHAIRMAN—Does any other gentleman wish to
ask any question ?
Mr. CoRFE—I move that the Report :be received,
printed, and circulated among the Proprietors.
Mr. W. ArrwooD—l second that motion.
The CHAIRMAN then put the resolution, which was
adopted.
•
Some conversation took place relative to the con-
tributing a sum of money for the relief of the sufferers
by the calamitous fire at Hamburgh.
The CHAIRMAN observed that however calamitous that
event had been, the Directors did not like to vote any
money on such an occasion, without the sanction of the
Proprietors.
The conversation continued for some time, the meeting
Mowing a di.sposition t 3 leave the matter in the hands of
the Board of Directors. Allusion having been made to
the Bank having given money to relieve distress in Ireland,
The CHAIRMAN said, whenever there has been any
distress in Ireland we have always contributed
liberally, feeling. rreland had a claim upon us, this
being the field -Ivhere we made our money. I will
now speak as a Proprietor, and not as the Chair-
man. I think the fire at Hamburgh is one of those
calamities which may never happen again, and I hope
it will not ;itis a case out of the common way. When
we have seen distress in Ireland. we have felt it our duty
to give immediate assistance—(Hear, hear—and that
without coming to the Proprietors. I feel, on this occa-,
sion, every Director would willingly and gladly give the
money, but we felt we could not do it without your sanc-
tion. We have many Shareholders, and the sum we
might give would not be felt among so many. It will '
not take from.us the power to give a bonus nor add to
any bonus that might be given—(Hear, hear)—neither
will it check our power of giving relief to Ireland when
it may be required. We feel assured there is no Share-
holder present who would not willingly sanction a con-
tribution towards relieving the sufferers by this sad ca-
lamity.—(Cheers.) I speak as a private individual, and
not as your Chairman, when I state that I should feel •1
mortified not to see such an establishment as this upon
the list of contributors.—(Cheers.)
Mr. W. Arrwoon—l am sure the Proprietors will' he
unanimous in such a vote. I feel this establishment
would not take its proper position in the mercantile
world if it did not contribute to the relief of those who
were suffering by so fatal a calamity.
The CHAIRMAN then put the following resolution :
" That the sum of 1051. be contributed for the relief of
the sufferers by the late fire at Hamburgh," which was
carried by acclamation..
A PROPRIETOR—May I ask what subscriptions are
annually paid by this establishment to the various
charities in Dublin, Cork, &c.
Mr. MURRAY—There are no specific annual subscrip-
tions, but should any particular case present itself, it is
submitted to the Direotors in London, who vote such
sums as they consider each particular occasion requires.
At the time the cholera was raging a considerable sum
of money was given by this establishment for the relief
of various localities in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.)
The CHAIRMAN—The Directors pay particular atten-
tion to every case that comes befoe them. To place in
their power a certain sum annually, as has been sug-
gested, to be distributed in charity, might be an act of
confidence in the Directors, butt think it would not be
prudent, as .so many applications may be made.by va-
rious parties, some of whom might be refused ; I there-
fore think it would give more offence than relief in its
distribution.l7-(Hear.)

PROVINCIAL BANK OF IRELAND

The yearly meeting of the Proprietors of this establish.
ment was held at their office in Broad-street, on Thurs-
day, the 19th instant. The gefitlemen present were—
Oliver Faner, H. Alexander, A. Thorp, J. Aleiston.
G. R. Robinson, J. P. Muspratt, J. M. Montifiore, T.
Masterman, S. E. Magan, W. Attwood, M.P., Esqrs.;
Sir R. Campbell, Bart., Sir Moses Montifiore, W.
Attwood, Esq., &c.
On the motion of Mr. ALEXANDER, Oliver Fano-,
Esq., was unanimously elected Chairman.
Mr. MARSHALL, the Secretary, having read the ad-
vertisement which convened the meeting,
The CLIAIRMAN rose and said—Gentlemen, y .1.1 have
heard the purport of the ineetine: to-day ; you are all
well aware that it is to elect four Directors in place of
those whogo out by rotation, andalso to receive theßeport
of our proceedings for the past year. Our first course is
to elect four Direetors. The gentleinen who go out by
rotation are Mr. Fletcher, Mr. G. IL Robinson, Mr.
Thomas Masterman, and Mr. Young. These four gen-
tlemen have been again proposed, and their names have
been put up in the office according to the provisions of
the deed of settlement, and no other candidates having
offered themselves, I will put those gentlemen's names
seriatim to the meeting.
The four gentlemen were unanimously re-elected.
The CHAIRMAN—We have now to proceed with the
most interesting part of our duty—it is to lay before
b-ou. the proceedings of the past year. I will not antici-
pate by a single observation the contents of our Report ;
and I think that if the Proprietors will bear in mind the
depression of trade and commerce during the past year,
the Report will not disappoint their expectations—(Hear).
Mr. MARSHALL, the secretary, then read the follow-
ing- Report :
" It is gratifying to the Directors, after the lapse of a
year of unusual depression in almost every branch of
commerce, to have it in their power to present to the
Proprietors now assembled a Report on the affairs of the
Bank so satisfactory in its results as that which is now
submitted.
"In the Report of last year it was stated, that under
the circumstances which had for some time existed, and
which were then still continuing to operate injuriously
upon the commercial relations of the empire, the Di-
rectors felt it to be their duty to proceed with the utmost
caution, and to confine the business of the Bank within
the most moderate limits, which a due regard to
those circumstances, and to the reasonable acquirements
of its customers, would admit. It ha, been, accordingly,
the'Object of the Directors to follow out the course
which they then announced it to be their intention to
pursue ; and it will be seen from the statement of ac-
counts which is about to be laid before the meeting, that
the result has not disappointed them.• It is, therefore,
their purpose, notwithstanding the superabundance of
floating capital which the money market in London has
recently exhibited, still to persevere in the system of
caution upon which they have been proceeding.
" According to the; custom generally observed by the
Directors in their yearly Reports, they will, in the first
place, briefly advert to the leading features by which the
produce and business of Ireland throughout the year
which has elapsed have been characterised.
"To begin with agricultural produce. It must be
stated with regret that the harvest of 1841 added
one more to the unfavourable seasons by which, for
three previously successive years, Ireland had been
visited. During the early part of the summer the
crops of all kinds presented, if not a luxuriant, yet a
healthy and very promising appearance ; but the cold
and wet weather which prevailed in the months of July
and AuguSt, prevented the grain from filling and ripening,
and greatly disappointed the hopes of the farmer. The
crop of wheat, however, as compared with that of the
years 1839 and 1840, was superior both in quality and
in the amount of produce relatively to the quantity
sown, but it fell greatly short of an average crop ; and
Ireland, instead of supplying her own wants and export-
ing largely of this grain to Britain, was obliged, for the
fourth year in succession, to have recourse to foreign
wheat for her domestic purposes. Of barley, very little
was sown last year ; and, for the present, this description
of grain has ceased to be regarded as of much importance
in Irish agriculture. The oat crop, at one period of the
season, promised to be most abundant. The quantity
sown exceeded that of 'former years ; and in bulk, the
produce appeared to be proportionately great ;
but from the weather having, as already observed, be-
come unfavourable, the quality of the grain turned out
to be very inferior. Potatoes, always an article of
primary importance in the agriculture of Ireland, were only
a moderate crop, and in some localities proved deficient.
But with respect to flax, which is extensively cultivated in
almost every county throughout the province of Ulster,
an exception must be made. The crop of this article, the
basis of the only manufacture peculiar to Ireland, was
superior last year, both in quality and quantity to that
of several preceding years ; and it is gratifying to have
to record that, both in the mode of culture, and in the pre-
paration of flax for the market, great improvements have
been recently introduced ; chiefly owing to the spirited
exertions of an association of gentlemen lately
thrilled at Belfast, whOse communications with
Belgium for that object, have conferred upon
their native country advantages that cannot fail to be
lasting. The flax of last year proved a remunerating
crop to the farmer ; and it-is worthy of remark, that al-
though the quantity produced was larger than usual, it
was bought up chiefly by spinners at home, whose im-
portations from abroad were in consequence considerably
diminished. Encouraging as this circumstance is, it
must be stated, on the other hand, that in the spinning
branch of the linen manufacture a reverse has recently
taken place. The mills for spinning flax which, until
the commencement of the present month, had all been
at full work, are now, with few exceptions, placed on
short time, owing to a decrease in the demand for their
yarns. It cannot, therefore, be said, that the linen trade
of Ireland is in a flourishing condition at present.
" The prices of grain, cattle, and cured provisions re-
main to be noticed. These rangedhigh from the opening
of the season in September till the month of January,
after which they fell, and for a part of February and
March were considerably depressed, owing, it is under-
stood, to the apprehensions entertained as to the probable
effects of the alteration in the Corn-laws, and to the in-
troductiOn of the new Tariff.
" The apprehensions, hoWever, appear in a great mea-
sure to have subsided, inasmuch as each of the above
articles of produce has 'again risen in value ; and with
respect to cattle in particular, the prices which they
have fetched in Ireland at the fairs held during the pre-
sent month have turned out to be very little under those
of the previous year.
With regard to banking in Ireland, the Directors
have nothing new to communicate. They observe with
satisfaction that the establishment over which they.pre•
side continues to rise in the confidence and good opinion
of the people of Ireland. This is visible, not only from
the usual signs to be gathered from banking operations,
but from the transfer of shares which the Directors are
daily called upon to witness, and which afford the most
convincing proof of the increasing disposition of the pub-
lic, on the other side of the Channel, to make investments
in the stock of the Provincial Batik. The branch at
Enniscorthy, which in the last yearly Report was an-
nounced to be in preparation, was opened on the 13th of
September last.
" Having made these observations, the Directors have
now to request the attention of the Proprietors to the fol-
lowing statement of accounts, showing the result of the
business for the past year :-
13y the account submitted to the last yearly general
meeting of Proprietors,- the amount of the rest or un-
divided profits, at 27th March, 1841, was shown
to be • £105,491 17 7

Rev. Mr. HEWSON—I rise with pleasure to move a
vote of thanks to the Directors, for the able and consci-
e.itious manner in which they have discharged their
duties, to the benefit of the Proprietors at large.
Mr. ConFE—I most cordially second it.
The motion was carried unanimously.
The CHAlRMAN—Gentlemen, it is is highly gratify-
ing to receive your thanks ; we have received them

upon every occasion when we have met you, and
when it has sometimes been with feelings of great
anxiety. We hope in conducting your affairs; that while
we show respect to the accommodation required by Ire-
land, it will be ever accompanied with a due regard fur
the security of this establishment.—(Cbeers.) I will
make one observation, which is not referred to in
the Report. We last year had a question put
to us, as our rest was upwards of 100,000/., why we did
not give the Proprietors something extra ? The answer
was, " That the affairs of the commercial world were
such that we felt it was not prudent."—(Hear, hear.)
But, from the caution and steadiness of all the officers, I
am proud to say this establishment is in as healthy u
condition as any establishment need be.—(Cheers.)
Everything has been provided for, and by the cautious
conduct of our officers, we have for the last year made
very few bad debts indeed.—(Cheers.)
Mr. W. ATTWOOD—It has been usual to give a vote
of thanks to the Local Directors and Managers in Ire-
land. I think we must all be aware of the arduous duties
they have to perform, and the attention they give to our
interest, which is a sufficient proof of their meriting our
confidence.—(Hear, hear.)
The CHAIRMAN—You will, perhaps, include the In-
spectors, also my worthy friend Mr. Marshall, the Secre-
tarmr. v
y,wl. Alith A7,w p_l will gladlyr.Tlitt:ovlinSandMr.lVl urray,—(Hear.
adopt
the sugges-
tion.
of the Chairman. I will therefore move--" That
the thanks of the meeting be given to the Local Direc-
tors and Managers in Ireland, and to the Inspectors, and
likewise to the three principal officers—Mr. Marshall,
the Secretary; Mr. Rawlins, the Accountant ; and Mr.
u
Murray, the Chief Inspector and Dublin Agent."
Mr. CoRFE—I feel great pleasure in seconding it.
The CHAIRMAN—Before putting this motion I will
only say, that no establishment has so mush cause to be
satisfied with the manner in which the duties of the three
ours
principalecretay
officersr ;
leairre.
Rawlins,pe rformeod ;
rA nacracoeulynllr. Marshall,
; and Mr.
Murray,lour Dublin Agent—there is no establishment to
be found 'which has officers who exceed them in zeal and
abilty.—(Hear, hear.) This is the feeling of the Board
of Directors, and that they richly deserve your thanks.
I will, therefore, gladly put it to the meeting,
It was carried with acclamation.
' Mr. TE.NNELL—I.think before we part we should give
a vote of thanks to our Chairman, for the ability he has
evinced on this and other occasions.—(Cheers.)
Rev. Mr. HEWSON having seconded the motion, it was
carried with applause.
The CHAIRMAN briefly returned thanks, and the
meeting separated. •

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traction to this new Novel, from the popular pen of the
Countess of Blessington. The Lottery Wheel of Life, in its
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—anddeta thileedp ia nrt
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tichuelapragteusrus
bearingintheth"i
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are
to present so many
,prizes as well as blanks to the various
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An inspection is forthwith to take place of' the
Militia Staff of the United Kingdom, in order to ascer-
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THE SUN, LONDON. SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 21, 1842

Now ready, in 2 vols. post Bvo., price 215.,
SIR HENRY DELME.
A LOVE STORY.
By a BUSHMAN.
London : Hugh Cunningham, St. Martin's-place, Trafal-
gar-square.