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bf an attempt to adjust the question on sate lea satis-
factory grounds. in how ditlicelt a situation was
the Government placed. _ Last night the House was told
that the -conditioni if the King's Speech were not ob-
served. because unqualified emancipation was offered to
the Catholics ; and now the Noble Lord said that
Government had not kept its engagemetits, becative they
did not grant emancipation without conditiOns.s( Hear.)
From two different pesters he was Met by distinct ohjec-
tions—first, that the conteseietts were of too unqualified a
nature, and text, that they were so qualified as to be etc-
less. Notwithstanding, he asked the consent of those who
reeve opposed to this measure, because ht believed it to be
essential, to the carrying of the other, in the propriety of
which they were agreed. Under these circumstances, he
asked them to Wave their objections to this Bill) in etele
to secure the enecess of that for removing civil dinnalifita-
tions from the Roman Cetholice. He hinted it *maid no't
be veal eieed that he pit the matter forward in a meitacin
mintier ; he could assure the House that he had not
brought forward the question with that view. His object
was not to 'find specious objettions to the Catholic question,
and then abandon it *tense the country was against him ;
his object from the first had been to carry it. It might be
said that in 1'82.5 securities were offered, and it Might ifsdemanded why propose emancipation new Without them ?
This was supposing that the preseht Bill had not been in-
troduced. It was also said that this measure differed to-
tally from that of 1625, and that it did tot certain extent
could not in denied. The Bill of 11;25 was very skilfully
drawn iste but it was a complete disfranchisement of the
existing freeholdere..-the existing freeholders were posi-
tively disfranchised it they omitted to register theft claims.
He took the evidence of the Roman Catholics of high fe-
apectability, who were deeply interested in the prosperity
end tranquillity of the conneryse.d persons interested, as
in Cie case of Mr. Blake) ira securing a moderate and rea-
sonable ascendancy to the Protestant Establishment:
Blake was asked whether he did not latoee; that the priests
had a great advantage over the landlords in contested elec-
tions, and he answered that in many cases they were enabled
to take away the freeholders from the proprietors, and carry
every thing as ttey pleased. He was also asked his opinion
as to whether raising the qualification would naturally di-
minish the influence of the priests, and he replied) hr
thotrght it would, anti that in every view of ate case such a
measure was essential to the peace of treland. Why should
we disregard unsuspected testittony like this—the testimony
of a Roman Catholic lawyer, of high respectability and in-
telligence, and his opinion with respect to the best means
of securing the peace of Ireland ? Mr. Blake Wit tasked
Ott what rate he would fix the qualificetioa for lotting, and
Mee said be should propose to carry it as high as 201.
.lifter this, what would have been said if he (Mr. Peel)
had not takes as the qualification, but left it as lie
fe.ari.l it? What said Mr. O'Connell en the subject?
He adtnetted that the system of forty- shilling Ilcoholds
Irelltud was essentially different from that of England,
and that freeholds held by a derieative interest afforded an
immense encouragement to perjury. On being atteil aid
he think there would be any objection to raising the free-
hold qualification to 201. ? He taid yes, awl he thought
we might avoid the evil of perjury by raising it to la,
at least that there would not be any thing like the Same
temptation to perjury then as now. Mr. O'Connell said
many independent voters would be disqualified, if the
frasieshise were raised to '2ol.,—none, if it were only raised
to 10/. This he (Mr. Peel) contended would be a serious
Objection- to the proposed measure of emancipation, if it
weese to be conceded without an adequate security against
tore truffle exercise of the Roman Catholic interest directed
by the priests. It was only fair to the parties to state, that
no Roman Catholic party or individual was consulted in
this matter; indeed, he thought it much more becoming
that the aet should be the independent legislation of the
IGovernment. He could not consent to place the present
measure on the ground of a penalty directed against the
Doman Catholics. Jt was not an exclusive penalty ; the
fact was, if it were a penalty towards any, it was
an serial penalty towards all. It would affect Protestant
anal Catholic alike. But, on the subject of penalty,
if we took the case of any one Roman Catholic 40s.
freeholder who had registered his privilege in cempliance
with the directions of his landlord,—of one of these marks-
men, who could not write his name,—if we looked at the
individual loss that would be sustained, we should find that
it could not be very great. This was sufficiently clear if
we looked at the evidence of Mr. O'Connell, who said he
had seen many contests arising between the landlords and
the priests—contests which he hoped never again to see,
For they were productive of ruin to the object of them, the
forty-shilling, freeholders. He might allude to the Clare
election while upon this subject. Major Warburton had
narrated to him some of the events connected with it,
and he should never forget the peculiar case of an in-
dividual whom that gentleman had seen, the circutn-
stances it't whose story he narrated, and whom he could
not advert to (and it was a credit to his humanity)
without tears. At the commencement of the Clare
election; a landlord of the cosnty had promised what
was called his interest to his Right Honourable Friend
(Mr. V. Fitzgerald) ; the landlord had a voter on his
estate, who was tinder great pe-sonal obligations to him,
and previous to the commencement of the contest, he said
tot this voter, " I shall vote for Mr. Fitigerald, I suppose
you mean to do the same." The man was only astonished
at the implied doubt which his landlord's mode of ex-
pression appeared to convey, and declared his determi-
nation to imitate the example of his patron at
the approaching election. Well, as the struggle grew
nearer, a degree of excitement was produced, to which it
was only necessary to allude: the freeholder did not
escape its effects—he came to his landlord with 601. in his
hands, and addressed him thus: —" I have saved this stun
while your tenant, and upon your property. I cannot
redeem the promise which I gave you, there—take the 60/.,
make use of it to promote the interests of Mr. Fitzgerald,
hat my vote I must give to O'Connell." Could any thing
be so painful as the situation of him who was obliged to
perform such a part—to observe such a double contract
between his religion and his conscience ? He admitted he
did not think he should have been able to have sustained
the measure upon such strong grounds, except in so far as
he believed it calculated when carried into effect, to raise up
a real, substantial independent yeomanry in Ireland, and
rescue the 40s. freeholders from the consequences of such
a conflict as he had just described. (The Right Hon.
Gent., who was repeatedly and loudly cheered in the course of
his address, sat down amidst general cries of Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. Huserssost and Mr. TKANT,
strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House di-
vided, when the numbers appeared,
For the second reading ...223 Against it ...17
Majority, 206
The Bill was accordingly read a second time, and
ordered to be committed to-morrow. •
On the motion of Mr. Dawson, the Annual Indemnity
801 l was read a first time.—Adjourned ata quarter-past one.

LIST
IiGAINST THE SECOND

r OF THE MINOR'
READING Or THE RO?
BlLL.—siAttat 18.
Estcourt, T. G.
Estcourt, T. H. S. B.
Encombe, Lord
Evans, Admiral

,rry
)MAN CATHOLIC RELIEF

Antrobus, G.
Arc:Mall, M.
Arkwright, R.
Ashurst, W.
Astley, Sir J D.
Atkins, Alderman
Attwood, M.
Baker, E.
Bankes, H.
Rune., M.
Bastard, E. P.
Bastard, Captain
Batley, C. H.
Beckett, Right Hon

Peach, N.
Peachy, General
Pearse, John
Peel, J.
Pelham, J. C.
Pennant, G. D.
Petit, L H.
Philips, Sir R. B.
Pigot, G. F.
Pitt, Joseph
Powell, Alexander
Powell, W.
Price, R.
Rickford, W.
Rochford, G.
Rose, Rt. Hn. Sir G.
Rose, G.
Ryder, lit. Hon. R.
Scott, Hon. W.
Scott, Hon. W. H.
Shirley, J. E.
Sadler, M. T.
Sibthorpe, C. D.
Smith, S.
Smith, Abel
Smyth, Sir G.
Sotheron, Admiral
St. l'aul, Sir H.l
Strutt, J. H.
Tape, G. W.
Taylor, G. Watson
Thompson, G. L.
Trant, W. H.
Trevor, Hon. G.
Tudway, J. P.
. Tullamore, Lord
Uxbridge, Earl of
Vyvyan, Sir R.
Walrond, B.
Ward, W.
Wells, J.
Wemyss, James
Wetherell, Sir C.
Whitmore, Thomas
Wigram, W.
Williams, Robert
Willoughby, H.
Wilson, R. F.
Wilson, Colonel
Wyndham, W.
Wynne, 0.
Wood, Colonel
TELLgItS.

Far, Auhar, J
FeHowes, W. H.
Fetherston, Sir G.
Foley, E. T.
Eyler, T. B.
Gascoyne, Gen.
Gooch, Sir T.
Grant, Sir A.
Greene, T. G.
Gye, F.
Handcock, Richard
Harvey, Sir E.
Hastings, Sir C.
Heathcote, Sir W.
Hill, Sir IL
Hodson, J.
Hope, Sir W.
Hope, Sir A.
Hotham, Lord
Houldsworth, A. H
Houldsworth, T.
Inglis, Sir R. H.
Keck, G. A. Legh
Kerrison, Sir E.
King, Sir J. D.
King, Hon. H.
Knatchbull, Sir E.
Legge, Hon. A.
Lenox, Lord G.
Lott, H. B.
Lowther, Viscount
Lowther, Hon. IL C.
Lowther, Sir John
Lowther; J. H.
Lucy, G.
Lushington, CoL
Luttrell, J. F.
M'Leod, J. R.
Macqueen, T. P.
Malcolm, N.
Mandeville, Visc.
Manners, Lord R.
Maxwell, H.
Meynell, H.
Moore, G.
Miles, P. J.
M.Kinnon, C.
Morgan, Sir C.
Morgan, G.
Mundy, F.
Mundy, G.
Newborough, Lord
Nichol!, Right Hon

Sir J
Belfast, Earl of
Bell, M.
Blackburn, J.
Blandford, Marquis
Borradaile, R.
Bradshaw, J.
Bright, H.
Brydges, Sir J.
Buck, L. W.
Burrell, Sir C.
Burrell, W.
Buxton, John
Capcl, John
Carmarthon,Marquisl
Cawthorne, J.
Cecil, Lord T.
Chaplin, C.
Chaplin, Thee.
Chichester, A.
Cole, Hon. Arthur
Cooper, R. B.
Cooper, E. S.
Corry, Lord
Corry, Hon. H.
Cotterell, Sir J
Cripps, J.
Curteis, E. J.
Curzon, Hon. R.
Cust, Hon. Captain
Cu,t, Hon. F.
Dalrymple, A.
Davenport, D.
Davis, R. H.
Dawkins, H.
Dick, Quintin
Dick, Hugh
Dickinson, W.
Domville, Sir C.
Dottin, A. It.
Dowdeswell, J. E.
Downie, R.
Drake, 'l'. 'l'.
Drake, W T.
Dugdale, 1). S.
Duacombe, Hon.W,
Dundas, R.
Egerton, W.

Bankes, G.
Chandos, Marquis of
PAIRED OFF.
Forester, Hon. Cecil
Lygon, Hon. H.
Townshend, Lord J.
West, F.
Kemp, T. R.
iFcdey, J.

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Sir John
Noel, Sir G.
O'Neil, Hon. J.
Palk, Sir L.
Palimer, C. N.

We are glad to hear that the last accounts re-
lative to Liae Marquis of Cleveland give some hopes of his
Lordship's recovery.