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the sliding scale. For, these reasons, .he _could ;lot give
his assent to the proposal of the Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. HASTIE said it was quite evident from the man-
ner in manner in which the Right Vein: BarOnet had
explained his views of what he (Mr. • Hastie). had said
that the Right Hon. Baronet did not precisely under-
stand what he meant as to there being at any one parti-
cular period two million quarters of 'corn inn:toiled. Nis
such thing could arise. For instance, the whole quan-
tity imported this year did not exceed 700,0.00 quarters.
Sir R. PEEL would beg leave to ask-for an exp/ana-
don from the Hon. Gentleman. Suppose there was no
corn in bond, and that the 31st of December had ar-
rived without any quantity being imported, according to
the Hon: Gentlenien's proposition the two million quar-
ters should then he imported free of duty. Surely that
they turned to the state of the Corn-laws, in 1839,
countries over the more distant-an advantage of which
would be giving an immense advantage. to the nearer
when the price was 665., there were 2,700,000 quarters the more remote countries must be altogether deprived.
smported. In 1840, when the price was 61s. 7d,, Mr. HASTIE, after a few observations, said he would
2,287,000 quarters were imported. In 1841, when the not press his motion on the House.
price ranged from 61s. to 735., the importations were The motion was then withdrawn.
upwards of 3,000,000 of quarters. They, therefore, bad The Report was received and a Bill ordered to be
no reason to expect that the proposed scale would be
any relaxation of the law.. He feared that he wearied brought in-.
the House-(Hear, hear)-abut it was impossible. to VAN DIEMEN'S LAND BILL.
bring forward such statements as these without wear
reading of this Bill,
were never listened to with patience
ing the House. He knew that statements of figury7es The Order of the Day having been read for the third
Mr. MURPHY complained that this measure was
by the
House, and his address had been . almost en-
likely in its present form to operate injuriously to a
He tirely composed of figures.-(Hear, hear.) client of hisof the mune of Hackett, a distiller in Van
hoped he had' strictly confined ' himself to the sub- .
Diemen's Land, He hoped that the Act \Amid not be
ject; and, however inefficiently he might have introduced made retropective so-as to deprive his client of any corn-
the subject, he felt it to be his duty tocall the attention pensation to which he might be entitled.
of the House. to it. - The Hon. Gentleman concluded b Lord STANLEY said that what had been stated by
moving the following scale, as an amendment to that
3' the Hon. Gentleman formed no ground for objecting to
proposed by the Government :-
. ; the passing of the Bill. The Hon. Gentleman had not
Under
in all probability had so much correspondence on the
51s. and under
- ' sls.
52s
, -.
- -525. - 19s. be happy to show it him in the records of the Colonial-
,- • - 535. -18 s. ' office. Ile could assure him that these boxes (striking
. . 535.. - 545. -17 s.
545. - the bok on the table) could not contain the letters that
• • , 555. -16 s. had passed on . the subject. The peculiafr claims of
555. - • 565. -15 s. Mr. Hackett arose. from Sir John Franklyn (not Sir G.
565. '- ' 575. -14 s. Arthur) having a short time ago prohibited distilling in
575. - . 58s. -13 s. •in Van Diemen's Land.. Mr. Hackett claimed and 0b-
.585: -
595. - 595. -12 s. tamed compensation for a distillery he had set up; he
• - - COs.. - lls. was dissatisfied With the amount of that compensation,
'6os., --61 s. • - 10s. and it was upon that lass, not upon the question- which
61s. 625.
- 9s• was the subject of this Bill, that Mr. Hackett had en-
~ . ..- .
625. -.
,635. - Bs. tered into his voluminous correspondence with the Colo-
'63s. - 645. - 7s- • ' nial-office. Previsess to 1829, all public duties were levied .
645. and upwards - 6s. by proclamation from the Governors, and levied correctl
Mr. HUTT, as we understood, after some time, seconded y.
;he motion.ln 1829, an Act was passed for levying these duties, by
Sir order of the Government in Council ; but from 1829 to
R. PEEL said that, . although the Hon. Gentleman 1834,
' had said that his (Sir R. Peel's) scale pleased nobody,
clam the
ation from duties were from error still levied by pro-
the Governor in the usual way. In
his own could not be very satisfactory, as he had found 1834 this error was discovered, and an Act was passed
suet; difficulty in obtaining a person to second it. -(A for giving legality to those irregular orders from 1829
laugh.) .He hoped the .Right Hon. Gentleman or the to 1884. A.'doubt had been started whether the Conn-
" Louse would not attribute it to any disrespect if, after cif of Van Diemen's Land had the power-to- remedy
the lengthened discussions which had already taken . this error by their own act, and the object of the' present
place, he declined to enter upon the subject anew.--e Bill waste prevent parties from bringing vexatious ac-
(Hear, hear.) It was for the public advantage that dons for the recovery of the amount of duties paid by
these 'discussions should cease-(Hear, hear)-and it them from 18;29 to 1834, under lfie'idea that they had
they delayed successive nights upon the question ~ the , paid them 'legally,- The object of this Bill was to cor-
only result would be, that they would have to travel over recta . technical - irregularity, which it was supposed had
the- same - ground to be followede been corrected before by the -Same effect.- • ore 1534, but as to which some doubt
(Hear, hear.) The' Hun: Gentleman proposed that the had since arisen as to whether it had been properly
duty should be 2Qs.. whenthe price was under 215., and corrected by the Colonial Legislature.
tlitit the duty should be 6s. when the price was 645.
his (Sir- R. Peel's) scale the duty to be 65., when the
•BY Mr, WAKLEY objected to the insertion of the
clause. It was stated in this clause, that after -the Act
price was GCs., but theHOn.Gentleman would have his duty eseee, '
of 6s. a fixed; one, without any reference to the price of had p all proceedings should be stayed, conse-
quently the injured party would not only be deprived of
corn, and his duty under certain circumstances would
be,' :therefore, higher than his (Sir R. Peel's). the opportunity of obtaining redress 'at law, but would
Ht ' be required to pay his own costs. It might 'turn out
thooghtdhat the' sense of the House had been already
too, that in levying the duty they might have seized
takes' upon the Subject of a - fixed duty, and if the Noble :
Lard; the MeMber. for London, were present, he m ;ore than they were justified 'in taling. He thought it
better under all the circumstances, that no such clause
could not acquiesce in the views of the Honourable• should be inserted in the Bill.
_Gentlemen; becauie,when he re posed a duty of Bs., he also
proposed to provide for the cessation of the duty in cer- •,
• -Lord STANLEY said the Bill applied only to irre-
gularity previous to 1834.-Bill read a third time.
tain'circumstances. When- the Bill was in Committee On the Motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM, the
Hon. Gentlemen would then have an opportunity of die- geeen's Prison Bill went through Committee.s
euesinss the question with him, but at present he felt . _ ,
that ieWienld-- be much for the public 'advantage that a. 'COLONIAL PASSENGERS BILL. -
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be
liniit'slitaild lie put upon the discussions ; and though committed'on Friday. - -- - hita R (SirePeepecould not place any limit to the extent - •', - . . AUPPLY.
_of their discussions, he felt he could not be a party to ,
The Cominittee on Supply was postponed till Friday.
thorn. They had already nine nights' debate, and in MARRIAGES (IRELAND) BILL.
• eStlsry 'Stage of the Bill there would be ample opportu-, ,
nitres of objecting to hia'scale ; and, under these circum- On the Notion that this Bill-he read a third time,.
Mr. Al LT RPH V eskest -if , a clause respeting second
stances, lie mustsbe .excused for not now entering on the: snlieriages•Waf3 intro:l:l,l_4:er whether (as we 'understood)
discussion. -. . s annpensation woukU be 'given to .tisZ Wife 6f a man' who
' Mr. BULLER 'addressed some further observations a, hail been forsaken. by him, he inariwing alibi her 'woman,
the HOnge,' 'which Were: almost inaudible amid loud cries when lie 'heard the decision of the Judges against the 'CI:-
of " Spoke, spoke." 'He was understood to say, that h. I iditv of his lliAner marriage by a' PreSbyterian minister.
had _understood if any reasonable plan were proposed by Ain-Sergeant JACKSON'- dad this was a very hard
Way of compromise, it would hare been accepted by her case, bit:-they had determined-that they ought not to le-
Majesty's Government.- (Order, and Spoke.) gislate upon it, nor had the Government. introduced . any
• Sir R. PEEL said lie was really surprised to hear that cla.i:e respecting marriages entered into by persons al- -
he had ever been understood to have said a word to the ready, married before the decision..,
effect that if any scheme should be proposed in the way Mrs SHARMAN CRAWFORIS was desirous of call-
of a, compromise, it would be cheerfully accepted.- ing the attention of the House to the injudicious limita-
(Hear, hear.) Having gone over the scale, and sue- tion of the first clause. Relief, it appeared, was only in-
'eeeded in retaining every figure of it, he could only sty, tended to be given in cases in which marriages
that if.the Hon. Gentle Man really meant to propose his had'been celebrated by Presbyterian ministers between
alteration as one likely to be accepted by him, the Hon. members of their ow n congregations, and of the Established
Gentlenianmust be more credulous than,, from his Par- Church. Now it had been under-stood in Ireland for years
liamentary experience, he could have supposed him to be. that all marriages celebrated by Presbyterian ministers
• Mr. WARD -saide if' the motion was proposed as a were legal, and Jamie instances bad occurred in which
' compromiSe, it. would, perhaps be quite as acceptable to
two members of the Established Church had been mar many gentlemen on his side of the House, as the. men- ried by a Presbyterian minister. - -Now it was very hard
sure of the Right Hon. Gentleman. He could not sup- that persons socircumstaneed should be precluded from
port the inotiote as it proposed a sliding scale at one el:4 relief. It was cruel to illegitimatise families, merely in
of the scheme, and a fixed ditty at the other. consequence of. such a mistake on the part of their
- The motion was then withdrawn.
parents. Relief be sueh a Bill as this ought not to be
Mr. HASTIE rose to propose the motion of which le stinted, but it sl:eild be extended to all cases in Which
• hed given notice, viz. :-" That as it appears from the parties had inarriA under a misapprehension of the law.
returns laid upon - the table of this House by her Ma- lie had understood that there were many eases in Ireland
jesty's Government, that at an average of years with of. Marriages celebrated by Presbyterian ministers be-
avera7e crops a sufficient quantity of corn is not pro- tween members of their own congregation and members
ditced'hi this country for the food of the population, the .of the other sects; be wished to• know from the Learned
deficiency, amounting to about one million quarters ot • Gentleman opposite, in what situation those parties were
wheat, two hundred and fifty thousand quarters of bar- placed by the decision of the Irish Judges, and whether
ley, mind two hundred and fifty' thousand , quarters of such marriages were valid in law ? He thought that all
oats ; that in each year, and before the scale of duties marriages solemnised by a yresbyterian clergyman
shall be admitted • for home consum tion at a duty
all the words in the first clause, between the word
of one ' shilling the quarter ; viz., 1,000,000 quar-
' reader," in the 11 th line, and the word " shall,"
ters of wheat,
.250,000 quarters of barley, and 250,000 in the 23d, be omitted.
quarters of oats." He said he did not anticipate Mr. FOX MAULE said he • was sure that her Ma-
that her Majesty's Government would oppose his motion. jesty's Government would be disposed to give the sug-
-(0h, oh.) If they'did not oppose it, he should not oestion of the Hon. Member every consideration, but
detain the House with any long remarks, but if they did, ?
he would not think it right to press it upon their atten-
he must detain the House while he explained how he tion at the present moment. While he was on the sub-
proposed that time duty of is. a quarter should be levied. jeet he could not sit down without entering his protest
'He augurdd from the - silence of her Majesty's Govern- against rendering the second marriage lawful instead
ment, that they did-not intend to accede to the proposi- of the first.-(Hear, hear.) But. he did not see why
tion. He Must remind the House and the -Government they could not take such measures as would, at till events
of the injurious effects of any scale which had in it a pro- provide for the interests of the children of both marriages,
hibitory limit. One of the consequences of a prohibitory 11fie SHAW protested against the doctrine laid down
'duty was, that in case of a sudden demand arising from by the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. S. Crawford),
:a-deficiency in the harvest, there would be an immense Hon. Gentlemen seemed not to know, that the parties
, quantity of bills circulated upon the Continent, and the were aware that they were running seine risk when they
exchanges thrown against the country. The farmer was entered into such marriages. With regard to what had
not benefited by the present system of prohibition, for fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. F. Maule),
foreign corn was admitted and kept in store against him he (Mr. Shaw) (lid not intend that the second marriage
to answer the objects of the speculator. This often
should be invalidated.
caused derangement of commerce and loss of capital to Sir R. PEEL trusted that the Hon. Gentleman who
merchants and manufacturers, and loss of employment to '
had brought forward his amendment, would not run the
workmen. His motion would cure the evils consequent risk of taking the sense of the House upon it ;by that
upon the jerks of the present, or of the new scale, and he meant, that he would not run the risk' of having it
the quantities of which it would enaure the importation negatived. It was impossible for any person:. to look at
Would regulate the exchange of commodities between us the law relating to marriage, without feeling that it was
and other ocuntriese and as when wheat was below 50s. altogether defective. In his opinion, the General Mar-
none but the very best foreign wheat would be intro- riage Act ought to be touched with very great caution.
duced, that would be mixed with the second class or For his own part, he thought nothing ought to be
English, and greatly improve it in price and quality..
done without inquiry. It was the intention of' the
If such times should arise as had arisen in 1835, when -
Government to apply themselves to the subject ;
the average price of wheat was 455., the agricultural in- and, in his opinion, the House of Lords was the
terest might say that the introdUction of such a quantity
must have a tendency to lower the price, but such would best tribunal to undertake the subject, because
that House had the great advantage of high legal
not be the case, for wheat would, under those circum• authority. When the subject was introduced there, he
e
stances, be at so low a price, that we could afford to ex- hoped that they
would not make any alteration inth
port it, and supply the Brazils with wheat, and in that law of' marriages, in regard to Ireland, without consider-
manner
we should get rid of our surplus quantity, and able inquiry.
give employment to our shipping, while, by supplying Mr. WAKLEY would advise his Hon. Friend. not to
Our ships with food at a cheaper rate, we should be risk having his
_proporsin;oian negatived, lie was quite sure
enabling our shipowners to compete with the shipowners
of the scale
!of foreign nations. If the proposers
.. sliding
his Hon. Friend
.(M ._ S. rm_tia, Crawford) would now
had endeavoured to devise a scheme, which, while it held his motion to a division.; probably it would be
would
more
oat a large nominal protection to the farmer, should af-
convenient to the House that the Hon. Gentleman \w
ford him no real protection whatever, and should at the consent to an adjournment of the question till to-morrow
same time derange the currency and ruin commerce and night, or the night after.-(Murmurs of dissent front the
manufactures, they could not have succeeded more effec- Opposition benches.) The question was One ,of Very
tually. He would not trouble the House further, but he considerable importance, and was entitled to considers-
could not sit down without -expressing, a hope that the tion. The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Recorder: for the
Government would accede to his proposition.
Sir ROBERT PEEL hoped he had not said an thin • city of Dublin, had not addressed to the House one single
that would lead the Hon. Gentleman -to think that he
remark upon the subject of the - motion. He (Mr.
(Sir R. Peel) would accede to the scheme now proposed Wakley) was very glad that his Hon. Friend (Mr. S.
-by the Hon. Gentleman. He (Sir R. Peel) trusted that Crawford) had brought the question under the notice 'mf
the Hon. Gentleman was not labouring under the same the House ; but it appeared to him that it would be
much - better that it should be adjourned till to-morrow
delusion which the Hon. Member who had spo ken be- Fore him seemed to be.. Of all the proposals ever made,
Hnight.
Lord ELIOT hoped the House would not accede to
that of the on. Gentleman seemed to him(Sir R. Peel) the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Wakley).
the most extravagant. That proposal was that every The greatest anxiety prevailed in Ireland upon the sub-
year a certain fixed quantity of wheat, oats, and ject, and all unnecessary delay should be deprecated
barley should be admitted into this country at a duty of The table of that House had been covered with petitions
Is. per quarter, no matter what were the necessities of from all parts of Ireland, and none of them, so far as he
the country, no matter was the price of corn. Exactly (Lord Eliot) could.. Gentleman (Mr. CrawfOrd,), g
see, adverted to the case..broiiht
the same quantity was to be admitted free of duty each forward by the Hon
year, without reference to circumstances-1,000,000 • Sir 'B. PEEL said there might be a greist dal of
euarters of wheat, 250,000 quarters of barley, and danger in going beyond the case .affeeted -by the late de-
')so,ooo quarters of oats. And this was to be once in cision of the Judges in Ireland. - .The Ibuse sheuld pro-
each year. Of course it would be necessary to define ceed to legislate upon the subject with the greatest ,pos-
the year. They must state from the Ist of January in
Mr. LITTON said that he did not find that the case'
- Bible caution.
one year to the Ist of January in the next. Supposing
there were 2,000,000 quarters of wheat in bond, the alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. S.
holder of 1,000,000 would be entitled to the immense
advantage of having his wheat admitted free of dut,Crawford) had been referred to' in any of the petitions
Who was to determine which of the two holders should a presented to that House, or at any of the meetings held
be entitled to the advantage ? Was it to be deter- upon the subject by the Presbyterians of Irehinde and '
mined by lot or how ?
tliey.did not seek for any remedy for the evil alludedto.
Mr. HASTIE said lie meant to give precedence to The motion was then withdrawn, and the Bill, was
that corn which had been first entered in bond for read a thifd time, and passed.
consumption. BUILDINGS REGULATION AND BOROUGHS
IMPROVEMENT BILL.
Sir R. PEEL-Let them suppose what effect the On the motion of Mr. FOX -MAULE the following
introduction of the corn free of duty would have on the lion, Gentlemen were appointed a Select Committer?, et('
holder of the other million quarters. Supposing corn which to refer the . Buildings Regulation and
Boroughs
to be at 565. it quarter, the remainder of the bonded Improvement Bill :-Mr. Fox Maule, Mr. George Wil-
wheat would be entitled to be introduced at 16s, duty. liam Wood, Mr. Manners Sutton, Mr. Hawest;M r.
Suddenly they would thus pour into the market one mil- Beckett, Mr. Tanen, Lord Ashley, _Sir Matthew-
riWood.e,
lion quar.ers of Corn in January, when there might be Viscount &union, Mr. Brotherone. Mr.
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-Celli!! des
no great demand, and the consequence would be that Mr. Duncan, Mr. Hogg, Mr. Muntz, and Colonel
they would immediately depress the price of wheat; WoOd (Middlesex).
It would probably depress the price to 505.,, and raise . -lit o'clock.
•-• •• •
Elfillett, .the Ititthor
the duty to 20s. ; and how the lion. Gentleman could . The House then adjourer:t.
is „ow performing at this theatre with
11,,IN';„bodv's at Horne,". &C., has produced
propose the measure he had done as a mitigation of the QUEEN
sliding scale he could not understand.. What would be of " Woinaris's Ufl'hnin%7''
footinan Robert
the position of ' the United States under 'such a proposi. a new vauaeville, whichs er).,,,,,d
me Timprous
Genneman...
The
tion'? ' The Hon. Member said he wished to give facili-- very exceillenvetris,u,rc. "''
Royer), whose
display the nervcus irritability of an elderly per.
ties to trade with-the United States ; his proposal would tncideenotsf
have. the opposite effect to that, becruie the nearer portsfesairrfaulsleyeinneTreraosnedoubry(hatisr,
under it would have-the advantage of the more distant. 10h. Renaud), and ft Captaint Bellatn (MT: Beevee, with with intent to.
The proposition of the Hon. Member that there must be
faciliwe the obijrctookfet;te aittte.r for Giving:with Sir .ispenTiiiece-„
a necessity for the introduction 'of a certain quantity of ; areiners (eras _ • lid's
very attractive little piece, to
corn free of duty was vicious in the extreme. He nonage
nervousnesscte old school,is
could 1 bids fair to stand on the stock.hSt of theatrical interludea, 1

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