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the farmer au the clayey soil, on the chalk, or on tin
flint ? To the farmer with large capital, with small capital, or with
no , apital at all—for all these different contingencies were nattiral
to their system of agriculture—and he defied them to lay dovrn.ani
thing like a remunerating price secured by Act of Parliament., if
there were any meaning in the term remunerating price, that could:
only be secured to the grower of wheat in this countrf-bi'
the capacity of the rople to purchase it. It 'w4::
by promoting that capacity, by supporting their manufactures. an"'
securing them a fair vent to their produce, that they would seellre.
to the agricultural capital of the country, that return which was
the foundation of its prosperity. Let the people, by staccetarni
trade and commerce, be enabled to purchase, and all the remUlte•
rating price they provided for by act of P.'rllament would .be ,no"'
necessary. Let them not be enabled to purchase, and With.lb,#
decline would fall away all the inefficient ud ineffectual clatrietlf,
the Bill, all its rests and averages, by the connivance of
they mainly hoped to create and to maintain a price whief
Ordinary course of commerce would not allow them to maintain.
This country never coal subsist on its own resources;' theit-11,
pendence on foreign countries had never failed them in otnef-
articles, even in titre of war. At the present time, it was in the
power of the United States, if they chose to sacrifice their awn
interest, by stopping the supply of cotton for one year, to create
more disturbance, tumult, and confusion in this country, Ona
would be caused by the withholding all the supply of corn frontiller.
continent y Europe for ten years. It was on principles of aogther
nature on which they must rely; by adopting the principles of:
Noble Friend, they would adopt the principles most reeotteilekE
to sound trade. If they adopted the present Bill, though he id
milted it to be an improvement, yet they would adopt principlsW:w
far unsound that they were at variance with the ordinary: n"
ciples of commerce, and as such could not ultimately • Pr°.
satisfactory.
Tb Duke of WELLINGTON explained what he had statet.l le
the debate of last year, as to what he thought the duty of Of
Government, to interfere so as to prevent frauds in the averallen.„"
Lord FITZGERALD said that at so late an hour he a431...71
not occupy their Lordships at any length. The Noble Lord tnen
went into statements to show that a fixed duty would at some
time keep out corn necessary for the sustenance of the people'
and bring the country back to the state in which it was wheP
there was a necessity for a bounty upon the importation or CO't
With respect to the complaint made by the Americans ofthen
inability to meet their engagements with the merchants alit
country, on account of the Corn-laws, such a complaint came**
a bad grace from those who had a Corn-law of their own, rnr-,,..4/?/
purpose of excluding Canadian wheat—wheat grown in au F.l/`?"
province. As to Russia, seeing that we took a much larger PrOdf:
tints of the produce of that country than we sent of manufacturri-r
return, he doubted very much whether any increase in the ftnPli;
tation into this country of Russian wheat, !Yu
create an increase in our exports to that etl'int
There was another remark which he wished to snake reladv7a;
Russia. He had reason to believe, that if the corn trade
country were wholly unrestricted we could not calculate on rnie.
ceuving, at least for the present, any large amount of cornlte-
Russia. He found that the Briiish Consul at Riga stated,
was inclined to think, upon the whole, that a reduction in the".;
upon the importation of wheat into this country would l'lct
some, but, for years at least, no very material increase in thetlt-i;
tity of wheat grown in Russia, and available for importation
England. The Noble Marquis (the Marquis of Lansdowne) b
said that his Noble Friend (the Noble Duke) had stated, 14411,
sufficient authority, that the variations in the price of wher',.
this country, had been less than in other countries, in whieh
had been no Corn-law. Now, it appeared from a paper lag,
order upon the table of the House of Commons, that fronk!To
year 1829 to the year 1839, the prices at wheat had vatiO__.,,t'
England less than in Dantzic, and the variations in Rotterdatarr-
almost as great as in England.
..ce Peg
The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE—Was that a differen •
cent ? 1
- 01
Lord FITZGERALD said that he found it was al
He found that the return was a fallacy ; but as it had been lied 70
fore the House of Commons by the late Government, he 110Ped
would be pardoned for the respect he had paid to it.
rentri
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE asked whether the*
had not been presented on a ruction by Sir C. Lemon, and
it was not a fact that the Government had not sounded any's?'"
upon it ?
laft'
Lord FITZGERALD admitted that that might be so;
thought he had some reason to complain of the inter:7l,ra,
of his Noble Friend, to whom he was not then rePrl,e
He would keep his promise of not protracting the debate, !late
could not avoid alluding to the observations made by the or
Marquis, respecting the application of the sliding scale to the
One reason was that cattle and other articles of the tariff weed)
subject to the variations of the season, and he (Lord Fitag:Mise
should like to see bow the Noble Marquis would P7rbsd
to apply a tariff.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Marqttii, pe
commented on the absurdity of defining what shonl4:jail
a remunerating price, but th..t argument bore quite as-
,a
against theadvocates of a fixed duty as against the adfocale.
sliding scale. It was an argument against any protection w#rf
and he did not believe that the Noble Marquis would wish 5..°.•,-t
it to that extent.
Lord MONTEAGLE explained. ibe •
After a few words from the Marquis of Ctasitticatunt
Earl of HARDW ICICE,
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the KOlr',/
vided, when there appeared— • ,',l.•;'•
For Lord Melbourne's Motion
Against it ..... „.. 207
Majority against the Motion
During our absence from the gallery, the House again 41,c;0
on Lord Brougham's amendment, when there appeared--..,-
For the Amendment ..... Y "
Against it 6
• Ail'
Majority against the Amendment
On re.entering the gallery, we found Oa"
Lord BROUGHAM upon his legs, who was mayn't n,...rer
tion declaratory of the inipolicy of placing any restriction wn;soli
upon the importation of foreign corn. He said that be•jArief
rather have their votes than their eloquence, and conn4l7,
moving tile amendment, of which he had given notice. it
,i
The question was then put from the Woolsack, and at.FiVhjet
were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided. wbaa
appeared— • 1,
Of;

For the resolution ....................................
Fur the amendment .................................. 9 7.
Majority in favour of the resolution ••• •••••
The Bill then went through Committee, and the House
journed at a Quarter past Two o'clock till Thursday. to

HOUSE OF COMMONS. April.l9. iP
The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual houe-1
Me. P. PaYSE to',IC the oaths and his seat, rie'at
ber fin- the Borough of Cardigan, for which .a•
Committee had declared that he had been duly retSel
Mr. A. LEFRoy took the oaths and his see'L,4ol
Member for the county of Longford,. in the Oaf
Mr. Luke White, whom the decision of the Select'
1
mittee had unseated.
..e.i
KINGSCLERE INCLOSURE BILL,' tivev
Mr. LABOUC HERE having brought up the .
on this Bill, moved that the Report be adopted. ' tt'el r
Mr. GODSON rose to move that the Bill en
recommitted, for the purpose of having certain ?JAI
added to it. The Hun. Member complained 500:
clause of the Bill which required that cottages letle:
be di•:turbed in the possession of their cottages the
they had for more than twenty years possesneir
The Hon. Gentlemen suggested some clauses el elf!,
cottagers which, unless the promoters of the 130iege7t
sented to introduce, he would oppose the Bill, age,foo6
•
moved its re-committal to give an opportunity ee' .
introduction. '-,1'.:
Mr. BROTHERTON seconded the motion. :l
The question having been put. . • • "Abe
• ....et to hie
Sir W. HEATHCOTE said, that with regse-oetele
clauses he scarcely differed from the fl ell -
Gentleman, but he did not agree with hint- 1514,•fra
nectssity of drawing a distinction as to- .00;
when encroachments should be made. It witslleeel;t
in the law, that those encroachments should•h4die d,
and wrong doers should have no advantage, 0°1;00_ r.
the law allowed them. A great number of lehrje; et's°
tents was in favour of the Bill, as to its gene.. to
ciple ; and he should, therefore, oppose the ale'ft#
Mr. BRO MERTON said that the Illousir i
541
throw its shield over the poor people who W r
.
affected by this Bill. In the bear 1834 it w'r.' it
that these cottagers would be much ittjureda.: let
closure Bid, and in 1836 it was ahendo ;de to
could be easily shown why agents and consist,'
..opofir
employed, as they were not able' to procuttfW
oppose the Bill. He should, therefore, WWI, hill on
tin of the lion. '"' Member. , ePi,
'ittir"
Mr. LABOUCHERE said, that as he- .1' eO en-
the Committee on this Bill, he wished to saYlvetw",„re
on the subject. lie would only saw that-ho "it
elerstand Gentlemen having objection: 'NOP' .40
altogether, but he thought if the principleeSue,oo,,• ••o
at all it ought in this case.• This was -nert'teied,j"- of
densely pei:pled country, a great town.•1,11;4)4070
common composed of good land, perfectlitelPel
'
being cultivated, and he had no doubt thste,tor kedt'
of the poorer elasse•s would be consulted hei iosofr„tlf
tivating this common. This was his ground fapesn to
ing the Bill. People had been in the habit, ,°„topeotiice
encroaching on this common, and this BO' rfioastil, gh
give them a legal right to do sc.. He did not Pre();‘,.eSilled
any right from them.—(Hear.) At pees 00/
people had encroached, the Lord of the . ,' pet
power to eject them at any time. .„.;is' herteaot
Lord G. SOMERSET said if the Hon•Tbe eonir
to press it to a division, he must soy that that SP:ver
agree with his proposition. He foun,„init.loa
cumstances had been investigated by a covrthe cos3E- the
fectly competent to decide on the merits °son. • yerc
that they had come to a finite deteceft4 140°s. t the
unanimous decision of Committees of 11%0007;
to be over-ruled, he did not see how thy :;toe to
House was to be carried on. of tbathe
Mr. FIELDEN said it was the duty
_7,1
protect the weak against the strong- . -. e,
Bill should be re-committed. were" ae -,
The House divided. The numbers .. I"„ •''
For receiving the Report. .................. •L'oeti
For the amendment ......................... -----' • '
. Majority ..................... .
a• greed to, •;,*
The Report was then broughttlll„anelOS. s Cour.
BLACKBURN EL•bv- ;0;61 sseildairtit
The following Members were aPPee-rosentet'Attote
mittee to try the merits of the pett it7rrin
the return for the Borough of Blstin iviTee.C°reliPibsitiet°anii:
Mr. J. Rundell, Mr. W. CriPPIHr E. Harei'LL•
E. Brooke, Lord Worsley, no,"„SleolENr -,-- .„,,,a •
so UTHWARK INIFiw
The Southwark Impro hsei°ll
third time. c to afford
thee°loeDig,
Mr. PALMER moved a clause
0.1i..,.d by
to the lessees of certain propertyotittor
Mr. LITTON seconded these"', be brought 1113,,,,.,,i,e5'
On the motion that the clout'
~;1r thoughtetl3,.: eee to
'ollbll' j • t* h
Lord GRANVILLE S ,
ortfLTICO ,or te eat
iouel,
Lion was one of too great
ilaetily. It mieho rittriit
he called upon to decide on icth
leases, and he thhelitee
vernent Bill (No, 2) wits
the whole question of Chin-
win tett hefi're At theritbe:
least the clause ought to be j
t. He shettt“ rot&
came to a decision on the sub
that the debate be adj
• ' be
cl, of t
Noble Lord. re to
propose, in order to give time
proposed by the Nob
_,,41 he highly aPPr.°- od
Mr. AGLIONBY, ehnolle,
Noble Lord dist " Iv° 11r
Mr. R. PALMER
with the • Of the 0
clause, yet agreed
1 further consideration _
__
batter to postpone the
the House by surprise.
thDere,7l,l
I oe:t'hhiasvdeaetclatigsehli-'Ol co
--on.
attention :to -the • .!
t it
_to
ab
rjoe
ne
et
ttostti:
tp
his
st
op
aboi..
ocitoop
that he had directed his
ject, so as not to take
Church lease:,, and lie
glad to hear the Right(dlll(ll.j.i:)
the Hon. Member for 8c,M.0 to
proved of the clause o.
was calculated- to' (10470 thi
because he thought it
inflicting any hardline_
propose some measur.f: •tt
private partiee, without • ' 1
. W I'l
trusted the Governmellit2 air
public.
considering the Motioti ',....
rou:ettle the question.h• :10.,
Sir R. INGLIS, co
• i Monmenth)-1113•7,f die
Noble Friend (the
w made, because the
propositions 11C
week upon this subj4e, CI:loljtYt1 tn°,,t•conoeebtliefotsCroefilntt'