The Sun.
London, England, 1820-08-11 00:00:00

TENIBIM DUTIES.

MINUTES of EVIDENCE relative to the TIMBER. TRADE,
taken before the SELECT COSINIITTEE of the HOUSE
of LORDS, appointed to inquire into the Mcans of extend•
, ing and securing the FOREIGN TRADE of Atli COUN-
TRY, and to-Report to the House.
(Continued from our Paper of Friday last.)
100 fund,. 1820.
JOHN, IlAmwrox, Esq. is then called in, and
examined as follows :
You'are a proprietor of land in Canada am.
'Have yOu been' much resident in that Country ?—I hare
beeii resident. in Canada for about two years.

Do y u mea'n_for two years at it time ?—About two years at
different periods.: .
Ilaye you exporfed Timber from Canada to this •country
upon your own account, or do you dispose of it in that-country
to merchants ?—ln both ways. •

\V hat description of Timber do you principally export, or
which are you an-fly acquainted with in Canada ?-oak Tim-
ber and Pine Timber principally.
Pine'of what description, red or yellow?—Both red and
yellow; the yellow Timber is converted into deals principally.
State the snu:rtion of the part of Canada you arc-connected,
with ?—ls it en tire Great or Ottawa ItirJr, at the back of the
Island of Montreal. .
l'l Is the demand for Canada Timber increased considerably
during 'your acquaintance with the trade ;'—Very much indeed.,
To what circumstance•do you attribute that increased de-
mand ?—To the duties imposed upon Foreign Timber. '
Of what quality is the red- Pinegrown in Canada, as cons-.
pared with the red Pine, the produce of th'e United States, or
is there any difference ?—I have generally understood thar-the
best ted Pine Tiniber comes from the United States• _

Can you state what quantity of red Pine,:the produce of
the United States, passes into Canada ?—I cannot.
• Has the value of property upon which Timber is grown in-
creased considerably in Canada, in consequence of the in-
creased eiemand for that description of Timber in this' c0m1..,
try am unable to speak' to that, as far as regards rid
Pine Timber; but as it regards other Timber I think it' has.
Can von state the value of land by the acre upon which any
particular description of Timbers are grown in Canadal—
I should think that from a dollar' to two dollars an acre is the
general price of Wood Lands, which are not particularly cal-
culated tor settlement, but merely with reference to.the Tim-
ber upon them. '
'When von state that as the price of wood lands, do you
refer to wi•oiod lands near the coasts or rivers, or in favourable
situations for export.; or do you mean to state that as the
average value of lap& generally of that description?—its the
average value of wood lands near I he.banlts of rivers.
What description of persons are employed in Canada in
clearing wooded lands, and felling Timber ?—Chiel.y United
States' Americans, as axe-men.

•
Have Emigrants from this Country been particularly em
ployed in that species of labotir ?—Very ruuch,. except, in the
act of cutting the tree down. In the parts of the labour of
hauling the tree out and converting it into Deals, and every
thing, except the operation of cutting the tree down, they
have teen very much troployed.•

Can you state to the Committee the 'extent of Colonial de-
mand for Timber in Canada, independently of that which is
felled for exportation to this country ?—I conceive the Colo.:
nial demand fur Timber to be trifling ; it is merely fur the
consumption of the Towns, and the building of houses. In
Lower Canada' there is a number of small Saw Mills which
the inhabitants employ for the purpose of preparing their
own Timber for their own use. The Expmt Merchants have
nothing to do with the supply'of the Country. At the back
of a Settlement, wherever-there is a Mountain Stream there
is a small Saw Mill, which is sufficient, fur the consumption
of the Village; but if large Timber be not required, the. in-
habitants are enabled to go to the fields at a Oran distance,
and.get that which is employed for household or domestic
purposes.
Do you consider the population of Canada as having con-
siderably increasedl—The population of Upper Canada con 7
siderably the population of Lower Canada not so much.

But 51-111 it has increas.:o ?—lt has incriascd, but not so
much as that of Upper Canada.
. .

has not the Colo.:1W demand for Timber increased with
the grbv.th of the population?—Certainly.

I-f:ts the demand for British MannfaCtures in Canada in-
creased of late years ?—During the Embargo and Non-inter-
course Acts of the United States, it was much greater than it
is now; but 1 consider that the natural Trade of ttre Country
has increased cowideratily.
Cats you state what description of Ma.infactnres are im-
ported into-Canada from the United States, when the Trade
is free with those parts of the Continent, and what descrip,
tion from Great Britain ?—I can. All kinds of provisiOns ;
butter, floor in large quantities, leather, a species of'4iirits
called peach. .brandy, candles, soap, and tea, sniti;gled in
small quantities, are brought in front the United States. The
commodities taken front this Country are, woollens, flannels,
manufactured cottons, West India prodUce., runs, sugar, teas,
and: East India cotton goods; These are some of the princi-
pal articles exported from Weal Britain to that country.
What dOei Canasta export to the United States ?—1 hare
generally unijerstood that there hasbeen a considerable quan-
tity of our Manufactures smuggled over the British Lints, by
the Americans, into the United States. I do not think, ex-
cept Funs, that there is any article of direct export from Ca-
nada to the Uniti-d States.

Does the consumption of British Manufacturel in Canada
depend, in .our opinion, upon the extent of demand fur
Canada Timber in this Country ?—I am decidedly of Opinion
it does.

Has Canada any other means of making returns to this
Country but •the :limber which it grows?—Canada exports a
certain quantity of Ashes, and, under particular circum-
stances, Wheat, when the average is above €Bs. ; but the
value of the Ashes is trilling, in comparison, nod for many
years successively I base known of little or no Wheat import-
ed front Canada. There are also Furs imported from the
North-west Country; and theft are the,ouly articles she pos-
sesses; independently of Tinther. • •
Has the demand which has taken place for Canada Timber
in this Country, 'already cleared those parts of the Country,
in any considerable 'degree, front which can tnost.conve-
niently be. intim ted, so as to compel the Merchant-to have
recourse to more remote parts of the Country, ut do yon still
'consider the supply to be unexhausted in the situations describ-
ed by t he Committee ?—I still consider the supply on the banks
of rivers to be considerable, pirtiorarly on those .rivers
where the late Settlements Of the Duke of Richmond have
been funned, •

Wiwye aie those Settle'rnents to which yon allude?--Those
are Settlements canaila, on the banks of the Otta-
vsa and other rivers, behind the Island of Montreal.

Can you state in what proportion the Red Pine is drown,
to the White Pine, throughout the Country generally ?
There are large quantities of Red Pine which grow in Upper
Canada ; I base not been in the United States myself, but I
believe the largest proportion of Red Pine Timber flourishes
more to the South of 45 degrees of Latitude, which is in the
United States.

In what proportion does it grow on your own property?—
It is very much scarcer than t be Yellow Pine, and pow* at a
considerable distance from the borders of the rivers; it is
more in the intetior.

Can you state where the- description of Fir which is em-
ployed fur masts is principally grown ?=-In the Countries to
the North of Lake Ontario in Upper Canada.
19 any portion of the Timbet, the produce of 'Canada, ex-
ported in ships of Canada build ?—Occasionally. Tbose ships
become British that are built in ( anada.
The Committee mean ships of Canada,'as contra-distin-
guished from ships of Great Britaiw?—The ship-budging to
my knowledge, has been cart led on to a considerable extent
in Canada, but now it is not so, from being a rery (nip odt-
able trade.

What circumstances have rendered that Trade latterly un-
profitable ?—The great depression of shipping, and the diffi-
culty of procuring freights fOr ships when built.
Do you experience much inconvenience from interlopers
g your timber, and coinmitting depredations
cutting down your timber-, and coin wittin dcpredaliuiis
upon-it ?—down r-
No , We ourselves have never experienced it; hut
1 understand a considerable portion of Timber was seized at
Quebec, the propertyof tire Crown, having been cut down
without permission.
•You hare not heard of that-species of depredation upon the
lands of individuals ?--No, nor upon Inc own !midi; nor
should 1 think it a matter of consequence, as I really do not
consider Timber standing in the forest of much value.
You would rather have the space than the Timber ?--Yes;
in some situations.

Is the larger part. of the woodland in the hands of large in-
dividual possessors, or the proprietors of small lots?—Large
grants of land have been 'made to different individuals in
.Canada, portions of which are reserved for Schools, for the
lands are laid in.Coneessions. Giants are made to those who
declare an intention of
,settline,and who apply to• the Go-
vernment fur that purpose, anil a certain proportion is grant-
ed to them, with a Reservation for Schools; but I think
the lettlementt arc seldom formed on those liuids by. the
parties.
klare you not said, that as a proprietor of Woodland; you

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should not conceive that taking awaY the Timber by another j
ncrson, liut the proprietor, would beery injurious-to you?—
I should consider that he had no right to -do.it, but I should
not thiak it a matter of much importance. .
It is Your idea that the Timber itself is of little `value to •
the'Pr6prictor ?—Yes, as it -stands 'in the Forest, •without the
iahour of getting it out.
Under that feeling, of svbat benefityou conceive the
Export of Timber to be to the Proprietor ?—The Proprietor
of Timber becomes the person at whose expenee it is got. out,
and lie naturally looks to the profit on it.
Then it k notfor• the value of the Tithber when exported,
hut.for the clearing of the land that the Proprietor cuts down
the Tirabcr ?—ils a landed Proprietor possessing land, if a
Timber Cutter said to me, " I will bity a certain number of
Trees. from -vim,'' the value that :I should fix upon: those Trees
standing in the Forest, would. be of trilling.amount ; but by
the time the Tree arrives at Quebec.,--from the expence of
hauling it out—from the expence of bringing it doWn on
rafts—lions. the provision consumed on those rafts by the.
persons engaged in bringing it ; all that value is vested in
the Timber at the time it arrives at the place of Exporta-•
tion.

Then if the Timber is not valuable to the Proprietor him-
self, it becomes valuable from all the labour that is bestowed
upon it ?—Yes.
Would any great reduction of the Export ofTi tuber create any,
material injury to the Exporters ; would they have any other
mode of extending their Means, or employing their bands ?—.
-I conceive they would have no, other means of cmplvying•
themselves. This is the only employment to which the Emi-
grants could have recourse during the Wiritc\r, when all ope-
rations of agriculture are, from the nature -of the climate,
suspended. • -

Has the number of Emigrants materially increased since'
tt.409 ?—Very Materially indeed ; I conceive the great propor-,
tion !of Emigration to have taken place within the last three.
years.- .The Emigration front the United States into Upper
Canada was very great previous to that, but the great Emi-
gration-from this Country has been in the course of the last
three years.
Were they chiefly Axe-men that emigrated from the United-
States ?—A considerable number of them were; but there
Were a good many Farmers and Agriculturists. • .
When you make . a purchase of _Land in Canada it is not
for the value Of the Wood, but 'foe the purpose of cuitivation?'
—lt must depend upqn the situation of • the country. If I
make a. put chase at the back of, my own mills, I should be.
sure of a large quantity of TiMber, and shOUld be able to turn
it to account ; and it would be for the purpose of the Timber.
business I should. purchase it. But if I were to purchase it
near Quebec, or near Montreal, or near any Town, it would
be for the purpose of agriculture.
What is the average value of an acre of land covered-with
Wood in. the must favourable situation for conveyance to
a Market shoUldsay frciut one to two dollars an acre.
The dollar is 4s. 6iL=Yes.-

The Witness is directed to withdraw.
(I'o be continued.)

MUSICAL ROBBERY.

[From a Nero York Paper.]—One of the Poets
has informed us that—
" Music hat Ii powers to soothe the savage breast,
To soften rocks, and bend the knotted oak!"
but we were not before aware, that it had the ad-
ditional power of unbarring locks, and lulling to
sleep the watchfulness of a money-holding tra-
veller. But from the following particulars
which we have gathered at the Police-office, we
find this to be the fact. A robbery was curiously
executed, aided by the powers of music, a few
days since, at a boarding house, No. 4, Front-
street, kept
.by a respectable man, Mr. Decker.
One of his boarders, a German, possessed 1560
dollars in gold,—which, locked 'in a trunk, was
given in charge to the landlord, and kept in his
bedroom, a front room in the second story—hay=
jug a door opening into the entry, and another
which was not used, opening into a back room,
with a bed standing against the door—the one
locked, the other bolted within. A boarder,
William Cook, having learnt the situation of the
money, conceived the design of making it his
own. He employed a ,fellow boarder (Alter)
and two men from without, for the plot, which
was handsomely executed, as follows.
To draw away the bed, and break through the
bolted door, would make a noise, and required that
sounds of some kind should be devised to cover
that operation. For this purpose Mr. Cook ob-
tained a bagrpiper from a North river sloop, who
arrived late in-the evening. It was also neces-
sary to keep the landlord and the woman of the
house so occupied as not to interrupt the passage
of the outside men through the lower entry, up
to the bed room aforesaid, through which the
trunk was to be conveyed into an upper room
where the lodgers slept.. Mr. Cook's post 16s
in the bar room, "to superintend the piper, who
commenced his unremitting blast about 10 o'clock
—and to keep the landlord occupied in the bar
making slings and punch—as soon as one glass
was made he called for another, and thus pre-
vented his debouehment from the bar. His.fel-
low boarder, Ager, (a Dutchman from Albany)
during this time occupied the attention of the
women in the back room.—The- two outside men
(Smyth and Holden,) fulfilled their part—rifled
the trunk, which they left in the third story, and
departed with the money. The German, who had
been enjoying Cook's hilarity, at last went, with
Ager, to retire to rest. On his entering the room
where his trunk was open and empty, he made
many inexpressible German cries and exclama-
tions. The watch was called, and the two hoar-
ders, with one other, (who was innocent,) were
confined, and arraigned before the police magis-
trate, at day-light. There were hardly circum-
stances sufficient tojustify the commitment of .the
two, per's part, by Mr. Cook's ma-
nagement, the door was broken in, gave the
A s butte
thet e bag -piper's
-P
impression of the whole plot,
i.astrong i
and committed those two. Another Justice
of the Police, during Sunday, dispatched officers
to search for the gold at Smyth's house in Ban-
ker-street, where he lived with his woman, a
Mrs. Kirk. Messrs. Hays and Duzenberry,
having first entered the house, found a few gold
pieces in a box of saw-dust and by threatening
Airs. Kirk with a commitment, she indicated to,
them that a shovel had been taken into the cellar,
where, after much digging and pains, they found,
adroitly covered by the side of the foundation.
wall, the whole amount required. Unfortunate-
ly, they have not yet been able to apprehend
Smyth and Holden.

MAD. DOGS.—As this present time of the year
is usually teeming with this malady, it behoves
every person to keep their dogs tied up, and to
caution the younger part of their families from
approaching any strange' dogs which they may
meet.

Salmon IS now as'plentiful in London as it was
at the same period six years ago, and is now cried
about the streets in•great quantities at
the pound. ixpence

POLICE INTELLIGENCE,'

DUFFING EXTRAORDINARY:

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MANsiox-HousE.David Sintmonds Ncas
chargedby Mr. Mills, of Bristol, and of Wig:
cheSterStreet; •Pentonville, with having -robbed
him of 7/.at about one O'cloCk in the day, in
BarthOlomew4ane, under the following •singul'"
circumstances :
Mr. *Mills stated, that on Thursday three
•th
weeks, as lie was walking along the Sreand, Nvl..
a Prench. foraging cap upon his head, The Fri,'
sorer. came up to him in the dress of a sailor, at'u
said,'" Noble Captain this man," painting to alt
old-clothes man " wants to giVe me 51. for this
watch I gave 14/. for it, and I have. lost vie
prize-money. My father lies dead, and "I an'
obliged to go down to Liverpool to-night." Wit,"
ness readily believed, notwithstanding-alFhe
heard and read of imposition, that the fellow w...a'
really an honest man. He told him to take the
watch to a respectable watch-maker, and he
would get the value of it. Witness had at the
time a check in his hand for 471. -and walked
into the city to get the amount. The prisoner
folloived him, notwithstanding 'his -repeated as'.
surances that he could not give- any assistance'
When he arrived .at the banking-house of. S';
Peter Pole, and got. the 471. the prisoner slipped'
the watch into his (witness's) waistcoat-pocket/
hand,
and snatched the 71. which he held in his h,
and ran off with it. Witness followed him,
.but, he
escaped at that time. Afterwards witness. Wet
him in the street and secured.him ;upon communi'
eating the circumstances to a Bow-street patrolef
he was.told by that person that if he would let
the man go, he should have his money, and gas'
him a- memorandum to that effect. Witness then
did as the patrole wished, and put the watch int°
his hands. Soon afterwards the patrole gave 011
31. of the money, but not having,Teceived the re'
mainder, and believing that it was a plan between,
the patrole :and the prisoner to deprive him 91
the 41. he thought proper to submit the case to
the Lord Mayor.
The
•LORD MAYOR immediately,questioned the
Bow-street patrole, who said Mr. Mills told
the prisoner had defrauded, not robbed
transaction about a watch, and that he (w'
Mills) would be content if he received his money
back. Witness added, that Mr. Mills had, aft
he had gOt back the 31. said the. priSoner
robbed him. ,
Mr. Isaacs, an attorney, • cross-examined• M.'',
Mills, for the purpose of chewingg-that the'ease.
was' one of mere duffing.
The LORD MAYOR said, the manner in which
things were conducted by the-Bow-street polite
was not extraordinary, and he should • not he's`
tate to say, that if a City officer had acted in
such a manner, an immediate discharge of ese.,
officer should be the consequence.. ;This system
gave the greatest encouragement to depredation;
of all kinds: If the City officers had proceede°,
on such a system the plunder of the City won't.'
be much greater than it was, but poundage W
prohibited by the City Magistrates.
The • prisoner said he had duffed the gentle'
man, but not robbed him, and that the trick he
had practised was the old one so well known t_e
the Police. -

The LORD MAYOR regretted that Mr. IVf ill!
had not, in the first instance, applied to the Cit/
Police, as the ruffian now at the bar would, in
all probability, be, sent off for life, if the accool;
modation 'had not been-listened to ; " as it IS,
said his Lordship, " I must discharge him."
Mr. Mills said he should prosecute the PP'
soner and the patiole for a conspiracy.
The LORD MAYOR—" That 'is certainly tbe.
plan I should recommend."
. GUILDHALL.—Soon 'after the general business
of the day had been gone through, WaddingtotiP,
the Radical, presented himself before the Magi.s'
trate, and said, that he came there at the reetl°
rnendation of the LORD MAYOR, to lay before
the Magistrate a case which the Chief Magistrate
had stated to be out of his jurisdiction. Sir J-4-,s.
StrAw informed him that he could not interfere
with any deciion Which had been made
,by the
Lc:ui MAYOR. Waddington afterwards left the
Office.
MARLBOROUGII-STREET.—G. Payne, a soldier
in the Northamptonshire Militia, was prosecute t
by the Admiralty Solicitor, under a specific ""
of Parliament, for defrauding a recruiting PartY'
belonging, to the Woolwich division of Marrne;
of a bounty of 31., he being at that time a privatsit,
in the militia. Patrick Fitzgerald proved 1111,0
ing enlisted the' prisoner, and that he passed the
surgeon, and was. regularly sworn in. After eft
pending .the bounty, he confessed to Serjeah,
Derby that he was a deserter from the Nc'rt
amptonshire Militia, which declaration proved' t°
the
be the fact. The prisoner was committed to,,iff
House of Correction for three months, agreeav
to the statute.

Last week, a mouse-trap being acciuA ent3,
left in a garden near. Irvine, a blackbird w 35 olli
warily caught in the snare ; a servant seejog
bird so entangled, was running to take it an
when, lo! a lay„ge hank darted down, and in.e,
instant carried off both the blackbird and
trap.

On the 9th inst.. in Cadogaßn-plaHce, the Lady of Lieutenant'
Colonel Warre, of a daughter.

MARRIED.
ariel
Yrsterday; at St. Nicholas Church, Deptford, MI r• Ch
rip
Cooper,:of ,Breadi street, Cheapside, to Mrs. AnnStetsr
the former piece.

DIED

xf.,.
On Wednesday last, at his house in Exeter, ,--'for 1-6
Tiller, aged 69. superintendant of wail-coaches
Western District. cster'
On the ith inst., at hit seat, Newark-house,
shire, the Rev. Lewis Cluttertruck, A.M. Rector o t
worth, in that county, deeply regretted and lazuenVci
Yesterday, at Pentonville, in his 85th year,
Crawford, formerly of Church-Court,
West
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