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or not. He said this, putting liTs own prejudices out of
sight ; for he thought, in truth, that to t:,at tax there
could be urged the most valid objections.— (Bear, bear.)
But that was not the ground on e hich it mast be con-
sidered. If it could be shown that another tax prts'ed
more heavily upon the industrious classes, fettering and
stunting y—
the commerce of the countra bad manuiae
turing tax, if he might say so—a tax which pressed upon
the raw material of manufactures ; and if, by giving up
this latter tax, they gave a spring to home manufactures,
to the materials consumed by the low and middle classes
of society, then did he say they might with propliety give
to the retention of the income-tax a favourable h. tiring.
He had listened with the utmost attention to one part of
her Majesty's speech—that part of it, he meant, which
had treated of increased academical instruction for the
country ; but as that subject would be, at a future time,
discussed by their Lordships in detail, he would n..t do
more than thus briefly notice it. With respect to the
congratulation which the Noble Marquis called for on the
improved condition oflreland as regarded its freedom Irons
agitation and from internal disturbances, he (Lord 13.)
without having any desire to remark upon this topic:
d°
because it ought by every means to be avoided, col
not et the same time avoid (in order that his Bielc.:
might not be wrongly construed) saying that o
opinion that improved state of the country was conse
(went upon the Stateprosecutions—(Hear,prosecutions—(Hear,
he would be quite ready to prove so, should the matter,f
in an after day, come on for discussion. One part 0
the speech referred to the visits paid us by foreign se"'
reigns, and he believed that those visits had given uni-
versal satisfaction. If he (Lord B.) were allowed, lie
should congratulate her Majesty and their Lordships 9rei
the last visit of a foreign monarch, and he would tf!ki
that opportunity of saying that the fsct of that vi,it.t.aus
created a friendly feeling, not col fined to the graciohu
Queen who received him, to the brilliant Court
the
which they were surrounded, but extending across hse
Channel, and into the heart of the French dominion :
Prejudices the most inveterate were by that visit over
come, and this advantage had been attained without al
sacrifice of principle, without any concession, without
loss of interest or of honour. Without any concessi"'
lie said, either on one side or the other —without_ 11_1,1Y_
alliance being entered into between themselves and the
French—without even the shadow of an alliance.
must
was the footing on which these two great POWS
.onied
continue to act in relation to each other f they s, u'd
seneaktopr peaceeserve of
peace between
w
ebe tossr•ld.
een themselves unbroken► aft
grd the
" Non ego, nec Teucris Italos parereitihe°,
Nec niihi regna peto: paribus se legibus ambse .
wouildvircetsefergetiolatensowthteernrpaairnt,frceedlaetrainuagittant."
He
policy, and here he could not help ereisl
that persons could be found to say that the
monopolies.comme
greatness of England depended upon her even
Why, commerce was absolutely inconsistent Withferrent
feeltoingouarseteoAnrceinati
the slightest monopoly. In conclusion, the moSt
__ ,iiee
prayer to which he could either there or else
Quid
utterance was that a continued good feeling Bh,u7ong, be
between the English and, French nations, tu' most be
trusted, would the present amicable. relation
s l
tween them.—(Cheers.)
Lord HARDWICKE regretted that the
the President of the Council, had not give° n the
definite answer to the Noble Dukes who sat
enrct had
cross benches (Richmond and Montrose). Th shout the
touched a chord that would reverberate thro class.•
known as agricultural labourers,
country ; and from the state of feeling o `hat`bell.. pen fie
and in I,‘„,
of the position held by the Noble Duke answer
ference to themselves, he felt sorry that the were
N'oablfeulgoli
itra,
had not been more full and decided.
Subject,
he called on to give his opinion on the .
e bould taka
he should say that a motion on the speece 3. of tho
place in reference to that question—the questleo,
~,. Os
distress alleged to exist among that numeroufs latrones..if
impression was, that the egriculturist, if le earl by the
not interfered with by legislative enactments, e_iiar doe
panderers of the press, who ministered to a Pec?_ooo to
—a class fond of agitation, for reasons best K"
„icultUria
themselves—if thus left alone, he said the i
a4etoph.---
interests of the country would eventually g bst dusts
(Hear, hear.) It should be remembered bt class would
that the depression which affected the one
mate restsl
ir
in a similar manner affect all the others, for the ..sit,y fee
were so closely connected, that they Must of nee°
a common evil. , never is
The Earl of MALMESBURY said be he° ed as is
his life seen the agricultural inter est so dere:.4 in her
was at the present moment, and he regretted. tv*_f es
Majesty's Speech there had been no expressionden, for
pathy with that interest. Was there no pee(' e
there ,
such an expression ? He apprehended that not hee"
and therefore he could not see why it bad
iein
ad
The Marquh pis of LANSDOWNE said that, I.4osea
his full assent to the address which had heeded ta haYe
to their Lordships, he had certainly not inte topic in her
addressed them upon it, but there was one few re;
Majesty's speech upon which he would offer.i_..ds bog
marks, and upon which several other Noble lat(e)100esoel
already addressed the House. He now res,e fallen froth
their Lordships in consequence of what hat' ,103) !
his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Breng',, nisce 'A
regard to the late proceedings which had take."„seuke
Ireland. His Noble and Learned Friend Italie of tii:e
itnoatthseesseiiorneumofstarnacrefiatnethantt,dounrteosf the wb°„e to t:,
deferenic:oso troth'
pending judgment of that House relating te.,h the eau, a
and having connected that observation w' as affOrtlie ,
tional observation that now an opportunitY vrroceedi:oi':.
andfoe considering the thine
whichspirit otfheytboisiteld Pbessi if
:test
ducted, he (the Marquis of Lansdowne otestb'
: of ft fair
was anxious to take the first opportunitY 1 for the g
that if the first opportunity was not take' fiosieg "hoe.
pose of instituting such an inquiry, or pirrotordsh'i,Po_
adoption of any vote on that subject in the the ePP to
House, it might not be considered to involv.ee wished
,n,
bation of those proceedings. All that fe for 0,0„i ,
claim on behalf of that forbearance, which ir, so d°.ll°
tended to exercise on the subject was, t": 1 at the tat
he might not be supposed to have apProv ode in wditl
or upon reflection, to approve now of the In itestion se
those trials were conducted. But in wha.a-e-t Wu -
he find himself ? and in what situation digt tenf,„o.s. th.au,
find itself ? That at the close of those ghatproeuiTeis!or
House had, by a solemn judgment set aside opinion 'itches
of the courts of law of Ireland. Whatever House, 0 0
that judgment had been pronounced in t,lia..t.hich th„.'e
might entertain with respect to the mode in "..ad in 114
proceedings were carried on in that count's'content'
courts of that country, he certainly, for one,:o, far hat
with that judgment, and he was _teen of !3's,
was concerned, not to revert to the consiqorn estee!,,
subject, and to avoid as much as possibl t_n:ined eitt,'T't
tin of those topies,,which could not be este a se.
in that House or 'elsewhere, without exe!“ e joi to.lis.;
which he would be sorry to see excited gs"),,ieinic, `,.;
he would say on the subject, that without Prt offer e
he
to tont
offer now what be would not have presu , _ iudg 04
neht n be
the ' sc;
the time, any opinion as to the merits of tt.i: ~ o„inio
..
which that llouse, after hearing
of Noble and Learned Lords, mu
culated than he was to judge on _as that.
ject had pronounced—all he would saYt he did 110
whatever were the merits of that judgmeinh had led t°o-
sider it to be one of the circumstances wh'e,tie more
,at
better state of feeling in Ireland among ":„ion of that
better state of feeling in Ireland ong
thc
tional persons who composed the pt.iblicnotP„„iatingo` so
country. He thought it impossible, in coh.enie t
eh tha- ,; the
care and caution and forbearance with w
iof Ireien':ieee
had endeavoured to secure to the Pe"l%lahle P„,,rittll4ll-
- perfect enjoyment of that most inv.__
with.— f. 'tee
of the British cohstitution—trial by jell
icnognsttihtuattiothneoyfhtandebueenniteidnteibntgdedotino that
abrdavvenhtielilleoh°f:c;:re;
and attention to their rights and privileges,
,suici Tile,
der no Government and no constitutTnit;:d bat at
have obtained to a greater degree. lie .b_ein in the ~ion
that moment, in that respect, he could to
__ dispost.,,e,
guage of the address, that whatever unh 3'
%Pio e'er class A
th.io.her dos
tri
might prevail among the misguided
:that Counted
better in Ireland, there prevailed among tliine
1_ he attr'.he
better tone of feeling than had existed
for a long time past, and this circumetainm:e
diligeliOet.c%o
in a great part to the operation of t ,_., that 11._auf
care, and the respect which was shown
of
peopt.re
for the feelings and constitutional rightsant 1' i
obstae'e' that
that country. He did hope, now that
interest'' hie
removed with respect to political
P Pose 11110,
the proceeding which had been Pr P bee), ''' 0,
he I, ' .ho
Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Cello woss Po
able and constitutional lawyer as d vi „t
•ect fin (.1 la-
euliarly suited to take up that sub.) t
_ropose
and
hoped would again propose what he had F
th
ve so !;teat, 6,11
year, and which was objected to merely otinnitell,esgier.°,ll 4:
of its effect on the proceedings at
Act, the effect of which would be to rearntoo, in:Iloilo),
stigma from the law of England, as that r
the endurance of a part of that sentence, I" d
a person convicted, before that convict.o::::_sticohuulnPertgl:ooo.
tted 3,1,0,1
his completionw as s of that judgmentius
ti°e , he
dw:tialsdhneeorat .
a- d 0 i
countrY' tied
the administration of the law of any ot .
_..., Leer
e„,
he could not beli...ve, that if his Nobleh :e"buject, theilit
Friend could be induced to take up t
Lordships would give a ready
of Ireland only, but in behalf of E i
tessentee to was
subjects. Before he left the subjlatletiof
was no part *if the address which . Irelallicle's with
on meatvt I take
greater cordiality than the intim,asti
oto
_au.
Ge volertnending ascatbio
assent,
in ontd tonntdheittileisrhe
now the intention of her Majesty_
up the subject at an early period, or
1 sorrow b'pfore.
timid education in that country,
extension would be a real one ; the on taken 0 - ' 0
not been d educato '
to express was, that it had .e__,,eade steal
He believed that to the absenoe of that
f a yielOUS e)ci tha
and he might add, to the existence
to°
be attribute f
that
of education in that countrY,
wereocial condition Sid not
and he trusted tic, te had
many evils which existed in the t
the address would
country. Upon those topics o.
~. _ dojo, Ileutter
think it necessary to trouble their, IsAr had beenta-nce of
only say that Hot one word
regard
the isepori
riy the
by his Noble Friend, with I"
more Partici' ha he gild
maintaining the peace of Europe,
~0 in whie oriend
and Fran; gsis Noble e el
peace between this country shoe--
that it would be lamentable indeed, , e lately
not cordially concur. He agreed if
that peacebreught
into question. But what he nia la, that frertlreiseil
be compromised for such interests...ais tnlaoms
ent was,
itililelit
wor convo k of
it was notorious to all the
causes, those interests eery, htlicussen,
thud nbeethne
and this country had been pleee".°_ reading of both
warfare. He thought that this was w
Governlnenta tee her
which ought to be studied by the he did of could," not
countries, because acquitting as
sure they /st;),tbout ,
Majesty's Government, for he was or w- and
kedr France' Id
enter into any such hostility
erntnent 0. - ha woo--
motive, acquitting also the Gov
acquitting for
5...,....th05Q
not only acquitting them, but aceo other
_t. any
not, unless he did so, be doing je , in Franc° of
who were considered their opponen'
unprovo
to war' he sn'a"
intention of plunging this country into w
what wtts foi-
call on their Lordships to consider, th_alculated _antte of
and insignificant in itself, and net.ea,
°lit for the 0 so
he
enta
lowed up by great consequences, nee
involve the 111
gradually magnified as ultimately to
explicit explanation in the first instance • 'crest