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London, England, 1845-03-01 00:00:00

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1);;Ii""Se Ought to interpose and prevent that power from
g exercised with spite and t s ranny. —( Hear, hoar.) If itter_t' ttiloitt.maAsfteer had done rightly in interrupting the letters of
mber for Finsbury, that ought to be shown, and
hear•) eauld be no reasen for opposing the inquiry.—(Hear,
I:VtHe had heard with regret—he would not say with
.-the personal attacks made upon the Hon. Member
~,,,‘ltrtia.,.peoc_istsiwbn.,,,rer.tt..eyh.:''orrthhe, House and the public knew what. those
and be would now content himself with
motion.— ( Cheers. )
troohiQe
tth-INCOLN nut have thought it necessary to
had taken ell,'
Ilrentle ou.se, after the very temperate explanation which
P .ce in the course of the evening, if it had not beenf
' the t
ern given to the discussion by the Hon and Learned
hid bison who had jest sat down. A great deal of bad feeling
ereated out of doors by exaggerated statements in the
hoe 3.,5u }!e dep•ecated the personal character the debate was
tt Prive mln They had been told that that was no question
hod ege, but that the Hon. Member for Finsbury had a
"stet alternat! an explanation in order to 'tear his own (tha-
t!". kr:on the impetatiens which had been east upon it. •tie
Hop ill, for Cockermouth ( air. Agliontiv) and other.
dteithatrtenbers again said
that this was not a question of indivi-t
osot , aster as it ought to be one of privilege, and that
149144aquired into as such.
ThVLION BY-1 never said so
1104.'11'4'1 or LINCOLN—It had been asked of the Right
(Lord i!rtlet wilether he It id issued a warrant or nut.
ttitioelneuln) eauld not conceive of any more unfair way of
°se at a conclu,ion than that of asking the Right Hon.
Pete4thewth a question. There was a paragraph in that re-
tiolited'the secrecy of private correspondence had not been
the 11"eePtine under rrn and therefore the ease of
ester it; Member fell t'o therOund. tie would not then
ttanite e`e° !he general question of the rowers conferred by
tatsof,",,lne Svere-tarvof State • but he was justified in the
14st oi'e ease he had previeusly entertained by the argil-
thee b the Solicitor-General. He hoped that they would
eelal once decision' of the Secret Committee, and so rut an
tate), to those aerimitriou's feelines wh•ch then, unfortu-
!dr.' Lerfievlar..t too frequent on either'side of the House.
etp ained. He had not made the slightest
r Praetie_ustun .to the !tight Hon. Baronet. H. e had found
Netts) had' 'll tits office and he had acted upon it. f ku''si
or _
Right Httot had the slightest wish to wound the reline
hefton. Hamlet
.N AL said .th t though he must allow a pre-
fifietTibe,
i:rotilLtendhotio' argument tmaintainthat the officers
t_ll.e ko,h ost-ogire, must s
Tele onty of to opening and detaining; letters without
to eee the lair a warrant front the eie,..reta'ry State, had
arlieToe_ileges of ihat House. The questiodn
twee
,fltier...
ILI' the iborY discussion, and they were bound
te"4' NI %let" et the Hon. Member for Finsbury.
4att
ictrtesinlltfor Finsbury had stated that he fullyh hee couldat
14,141; retetateora of his had been opened, aned
oferethe Hon.
said eoes who 111;(1 the exclamations of so
did .`,4 he eepee !at upon the Secret Committee.m 0,,e
tt's' ltdend tai , the Hon. Member for Kesidal said), " I
*h. 1,3 not o e and another said, " I did intend that."
te-- Was 4 - those who was unwiliing to believe that.
‘llLatitied tavely
-et esse stated ; but here there had been nothing
bot, °Pelted. Qu. Friend had complaened that his letters had
14,,, At that Let them see whether they hid been openedi or
Ist,"„alad, sToMent he did not believe any admission had
sae nothing in the report to warrant the.
'4ll'cigth:h.t - that tnwhirihte
s If they had thought it
thete
h. t.milt.
irte to state their case of the Italian,, they
other ad eo(h. aye referred to the ease of the Hon. Member.
Ilherr°4llie, tug fallen from the Righ Hon Boronet or the
Qf teel," that side to lead him to beeeve that thed
arei're he
"°n. Member had been opened or not, an
Beep of- said that the Noble Lord the altenber for London s
rteeser,„‘ degradation" was quite conclusive. The Hon.
ay 'A 'eseAtedlarge constituency, and they had every
o belie a o • •
L sat' e 'e that the decision of thaSecret Committee
tat 4,actor
ee, store Yto that constituency. shy. should not the
toti'l settle aronet at once admit that it was so, that the
isitti"Olee
Hon. Member for Finsbury had been opened by
40„'"edevins and by his authority, and that that course was
ter;tlt;law • or why should he not say, " I know nothinglt
to ‘l' ,rk have issued no warrant for opening any of his e-
sitl'soe
iyuaLt would be perfectly satisfactory. He should like
is,„!tedth Qat there was in the atmosphere . that
tshuertr-
lsrY let: Seer, etary of State that should
.hinde.r
sincerely
4itaireTtsp, Y.: what it was that surrounded him,
.and
se Nth,'" him responding to that inquiry H. e nad
ftieltateedeet,QY More impoprtant things, and why not this ? H. e
rte i's or j;t`t the Right Hon. Baronet had committed anin-
ep,Werel,s duties, if he had done anything that so solemn_e
ert Les (7' alVeal would not compel him to disc ose. Th
tuiii,elither said too much or too little. It ought to have
y silent, or to have disclosed all. He asked he
tei":ettottft Whether that responsibility rested entirely on the
llsei,'ide-eethe Right Hon. Baronet, or whether they should
a`ti%rotit-: twilurn among.them ? He trusted that the Right
~141itiletitl would put an end to the discussion, by at oncet
titeePtaie ee the allegations against him were true or not.
o
St,i7. to the PRIS said that they ought to feel a debt o
tisti:4 I 1342 &I'ght Hon. Baronet, for his suppression, ofgthet
Plo when
NIL Nees thousands and tens of thousands were ou
'tote"' to, and roaming idly over the country. Th Horen:
h"Petiti F; and
had, durinc, those troubled times, 13.
te,-",", from bud' f Chlrtists and he was of opinion
NlZlOlethttetwe? he walsesmoore or less'.con.neeted with them.
rater' eeth. aught Hon. Baronet, in issuing these warrants,
sp Vitiowig more than his duty.
iipt4l4l4 st;',!Y said the Hon. isle.-nlaer who had just sat
LO, eddo, that he considered that the Right Hon. Ba-
aittle'leroe:: "thine more than his duty. He believed the
tattlilervice', was a gallant officer, and he should like to know,
4i•terb,- th Hon Member was engaged, how he
'lO k -„e,Htte, whether had done h:s duty or not, if he
iteltl't,lthallt-th- :11 what manneraman it had been done ?—( Hear. )
tee
el complained of was this. The Right Hon.h
tat;wlotesh'ilt let them know what. he had done.
.T e
'ssikeastee e Gentleman had relieved this question in a
ala:wee Larnin its personal difficulties. The Right Hon..
„,-I.‘lak—r.lllade a strung and honourable avowal that
elles 'se fott`ume to his knowledge, whether he had
t,ttNet 0 e'tainted; thouno which injured his Honourable
his our or character as a gentleman,
49Neerealet".s satif rso far as the personal question
Itttoll' the -N---satisfa ta‘ n
his Hon. Colleague—satisfa.c-
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to liousn.... ..satei‘ory to
factory to the constituency,
. and setts-
'llto'k's b,,tl'e° country B the public question—the greet
111; tliatt Personal dencriaration- seh•as int his opinion left
tie a!'t elterreniained precisely vi erei was. It was in
is!da ed In character by that admission on, the part
th Gentleman. His Hon. Colleague had in-
ehPadee;Tet in amost lucid and exceedingly able
0:44„411d Was delighted to hear the Noble Lord of the
of his Honourable
k(li Th eStS commend the spe, c
'lNi.4..tett's Wahl e Noble Lora said he was pleased with it, and
i
oftnme(111) oped. he had derived pleasure from other
e Se, hat side of the House. The reply to to, s
tee Colleague was m DRightt ohnt
Its", elfeeable ,ereiary of State for
special
bliyontthen
Verve-esti Y. As a piece of special pleading it was
V!re:naat,
.kear, hear ) He could not help
upremarkin to
ti'etati-s"e [light Hon Baronet had been brought. pto
teee's....ei"reached On extraordinary eminence in t
ha
ghlileq,:xelteraQweeehi ter.) It was an exceedingly able speec ,
earation in that speech which struck him as
skti Seleill'Y Peculiar. It was made while the Right
tli,t,Pstttlnt Th was considering what had transpired in this
*hich e Right Hon. Gentleman, when he came to
7- 4elYtkte- Occurred on the 2d, 16th, and lath of July,
1,411;;:.! the that his Hon. Colleatiet,awneheen
dheeelbarroeudghttti the
e
,11eet teat use in the
.first instance,
j th "ouse that his letters had been d—that
4,,sat CR,:ss` statement on the 16th and 18th of July.
h,, f0ilo" 41(1- "o 4 M --No • on the 2d and I ath.
tO d Then the Right Hon. Bare-
s' it tltt--4111."Lt statementninue—by saying what?—That he had
; 'et tits case had been heard before two
laltiiiiat!tll)s;l3" that before the Committee he hadt stated
0 Zit of !Ything that had transpired with respe t the
11Pilsts't4e heal'ell°n• Colleague that by the Commit .e tl
th. -Iheard. s' And,"
tv, flag .
Ziftae°ll. toiluos Committee am
I honourably acquitted."
said the Right lion.
tee had b"gue—had they acquttted His Hon.
14 nos eew put upon his trial, and why had the
tai' p ,}l.4equitted hint? Now, he considered that the
r tell the Right Hon. Gentleman hadof
tai Pipe e'Peet de
1 I stehea to had chaneed the character
ma:athye
thZ `thi".4ll(4, gjuat extent. The Right
.Hon.. Gentle ,
°he! 'lad thrown the responsibility
41thil'etse. eaally rested upon him, upon the Committeef
for
in a grea.t tneao..
el:411411 life:" observe th Hon. Gentleman the Member o
kllealiit,PerTed'''n his ,plaece in 'Parliament, that his letters
e „ette,, racedh Right Martinet stated tleidatiethoef
tliZ,lle'l'ethessuetheir inquiry with a full knowi.
44,441:114 thanceL The Riht Hon. Baronet
.sdit , I
rr • t ee C • stated without the
orarnittee and everything
Oil toel 11-`1" Thus, on the admission of the Right
that te-atonet
tostwi,,,,,e 0 s he stated all th at transpired with
tas -.tem ping of letters, and of course, in making
But the
e allegation of his Hon. Colleague.
igloo,_lt heard all—the Committee having heard of
4°41 heard everything connected with
kee the cot:lt One word of reference was madeh. in the
oske. Aitnernttee relating to the accusation of Hod,
Rol eelleateagh the bight Hon. Baronet had acquitted
e
eeeewe in the face of the country, through the
j ell the Right Hon. Gentleman had made, he
Lees Sed that h
(ltrbtrY by the Cwould stand
of
fondemned in the eyes
that House.—( Heir,
oeulleers,
e„1) CouZinmthteteeMembers of that House
fittleell L.", 0 grounds to allow an Hon. Member to re-
onQ! tt'sri'fa iOn through tbe conduct of a Secret
actedShl tretitet:a b,(l'e ? He said, then, the Committee had
~
ele!tik_ee e'use:st,t, nfairly with his Hon. Colleague, and it
aataterewer et lesson to them never to confide their privi-
lON heitte 014:1_4 secret tribunal of that House,whatever
tite eh 'tins whatever might be the ability, or wwhateovseer
~wite:eleh °teeter of the individuals who might compose
theelis) lie considered, in consequence of thetthi
at
tt i,
shoal .‘ nht
Hon. Gentleman, it was necessary
`,liiteti 41:acti transpire. The care could not by any possi-
11,S they 'there it was—( Hear, hear)—and he
st,.l)44,eed would accede to the motion of his Hon.
gad ttt,le.tetro,,Pel the parties at the Post-office to come to
!el Noi, letter "ae,. and state by whose authority they had
• &tett the fof his Hon. Colleague. If this course we.re.
seeNsalregall Woula be disregarding their own privileges,
te:ted,
Cenral o°ol ta',`"pent the own privileges they disregarded the
t to, v_ P e, because the privileges were originally
tleoe benefit of individual Members, but for the
4'611.14 ha-rl'li' community at large. If the [eight Hon.
'tat iaed had seed warrants for the opening of thesed
t'A'Ner,4 the trinected. as the Right lion. Gentleman said
to"Serh-t to tltatetion, where was the difficulty of making a
ti4siv-:41 hea'e "'else to that effect? If the Right Hon.
eta sfutitat eePeFtUett letters without warrants, he could only
ilottoele rther Hon. Gentleman would be an enemty.
itN„this ~„,r,"Dury. This ought to induce the. House t
b. ta Ass 'ter, His Hon. Colleague stood. in a different
t a:..b.efere th onoech of the Right Hen. Baronet,
st:ei .laeseo " inquiry ht to be had Although.,the
hia Ho was finished; between the Right lion..Oen-
t,tloCetipee , las Frieed, still the House, in his opinion,
tti^lee 4, teem to •
institute a public investigation. He hoped
eorr'
f.ew,?uhl net relax in his exertions until it was
'lee red,Sllea-,,`,.. and distinctly whether the law had been
Alt a )
l'fk4)l)Qr °"e partof the speech of the Noble Lied
ttoti tor the
the ..that "1 of London he had heard with peculiar
duo While uotlerstoed the Noble Lord distinetly. tho
the `tettet ehe differed with the course whic
thsheti Perfese "ad taken respectiiw the opening of letters
titiiiitll:,Nuirie "1 Promoting their interests fur other
.than
o; the (ioat the t. Yet still, in the case of M. Mazzini, he
q:4 DrrertinaentPla,!lation which had been given on thepart
ttljeril.Jeedio„, -,1e., that they formed no part whatever
(,;,eot could t
refugees, that the measures o. the.
hte'eetle"ter andu'd not leave involved the r. fugecs in
peill:thei,l7,:a4riee,relythaatetistfhaeetrrfoyre the explanation was
hoof the Noble 'it'll;
i: teeeul'ed ornegare t
formerregretted
shop; e 'al satisre planation which had been given. would
,dh: to ei aellco• No part of that discussion could
1, 4 eovbicles, 14 or his culleagues more pain than that tthere
11:kfe,(e,i s4tTPeasion on them nds of the house that they
,f `,ty Div aey other Power for the purpose of encou-
thtQates ' ad hyiee cts, the success of which was most improbable.
ht, atrot, their en Pal ty te any of the proceedings of the
If ,that' Best pot:,'?"uet would have rendered them liabl.- t.o
bsjheapectedoe displeasure. He would say further, if
e'e h4de hkd i.tlae, Proceedings were likely to take place—
"thei sifts fro in their power, by means of warning, to
0441 inFOiring danger, he thought it would h. ave
'wen and as Christians, to have given