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London, England, 1820-05-06 00:00:00

and Expeufture of the Civil List to 'be certain rather than

-euatingent.
Mr. B. BATHURST recalled the House to the real object
of the motion, which was not for mere enquiry, is was plan-
sibly.urged by a night Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney), but
•directiv as declared by the Learned Mover, to take out of the
hands of the Crown the management of these Revenues, anal
place them under the direction of Parliament-
Mr. BROUGHAM rose in reply, and observed that Minis-
ter, could not possibly display those differences of opinion al-
•leg.ed to have characterized Gentlemen on his side—only one
of theta bad spoken; so that though be might differ from
himself, he could not differ from any Miler. He went on sar-
castic:6lv to express his surprise at none of the Law Othcera
of the (ro..sal, Olin like the Drills were necessary to its
splendour, having taped up the question; and at the absence
of the King's Advocate-f;eneral, whose legal knewledge
would have been so beneficially displayed on this occasion.—
Ile noticed that a learned Judge (Sir W. Scott) had very
recently entered the Hoase, though the subject under dis-
cussion former; as it were a pint of his temporalities,—for
lie had a jurisdiction spiritual as well as temporal. That
learned person might have brought Vatteil against hint,
and he should have been well pleased to offal to his con•
sideration some new views of the matter, which he
had ant heard, in any of the vleadiags before him. His
judicial habits were so inveterate, and he was so accustomed
fiat to decide when he had not he.ar any arguments from the
other side, that the House worth.' no doubt be daorived of
.the benefit of his rote. It appeared that the Chancellor of
the Excbcapier, was the antiquated character to which his
Right Honourable Colleague had made such r epeated al-
lu,iona. It was tleis man of the olden time, who, after men-
tioning the great victory gained by Lord Nelson at Copen-
hagen, had stated that it had produced a happy change
in the Russian Government. What would have been said
had he (Mr. Brougham) used such an expression ? •
Would he not have been told that he tallied of the assassi-
nation of Monarchs as a happy change ? He hart happened to
say that any body woulrd find great ditli.ulty in answering the
spestion,' How much has your King a-year?" Whereas an
explariation respecting. the revenue of the President of the
United States, the King of France, and the Stadtholder of
Holland, could immediately he gained. Hon.
Gentleman bad seized upon the American President, as if
he alone had been brought forward in illustration. On this
he had founded his joke, witticism, or argument, he (Mr.
B.) really hncw not which, and bad produced a lung tirade
in the usual way about taking away robes and garments,
so that he (Mr. B.) had been wounded through the sides of
President Munroe.—(Laughter.)—He then expressed his
satisfaction at having been informed that a Noble Lord to
whom he had alluded in the course of his speech, had given
up the pension which he received out of the fund under con-
sideration. He contended that the present preposition wairhl
occasion an delay if acceded to, arid that tire reproach of
wishing to defer the settlement of the Civil List came very
ill front these who had postponed it for three month:, by
idissolving Parliament at a time when they had it in their
power to keep it, together for six months longer He had
been charged with a wish to tear away the outward gar-
meh: of Majesty, to eahibit a stipendiary Ring. Far
tram it. He had on the contrary recommended that the
dignity and splendour of the Crowa should be maintained.
But whilst he might not hearurlwe gra ntipg a necessary 10,001.
n year which would go to the personal comforts of a Monarch,
Ire would not bestow that SUM to he made the means of cor-
ruption iu that Monarch's Ministens, and he turned into a fund
for getting Members into Parliament. mid for keeping them
steady atter they had get in. _\n attempt had been made to
catch a few votes. by representing that as a ;Mon which in
rea:ity was none. It hail been non, musty announced tat it
would be imperative in future on his Majesty's Ministers
to lay the subject before Parliament once a year. Novo
the tact was, that by the regulation ridupted under Mr.
Perceral, those papers were to lie yearly laid before the
House. The pretended boon hart therefore' no exist-
ence. Would the House* uow sanction the erinciple that
nothing should be doae? ‘Vonld it thus leave a temptation
to had Ministers to mane a ucunsiitena with the
honour and dignity of the Nation? fie wished that
those who spoke an much about the honour and dignity of the
Crown should also attend to that of the people. Such a
couise worth! not ',jure the ( we. He trusted that the new
reign would he tong, happy, end popular ; and he was con-
aimed that the more it should be planted in the affections of
the people, the more would its populatity and prosperity be
secure.—(Hear I)
Mr. WYNNE and Mr. BROUGHAM having, mutually ex-
plained, the House divided—
For the Motion

Agdiiist it ..
Majority for Ministers -118.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned till Monday.