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aid of the erp ce of erecting Churches in the West disfranchisement of the forty-shilling freeholders, and eisa
Tudies. . a petition from the inhabitants of Westminster and Stu,
Mr'. HUME remonstrated against this scattering of the toy, praying for a revision of the Poor Laws.
public money. Here the cries became very loud and general for the
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER repre- et& rof the day. Silence being obtained,
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vented the-necessity ofprovidinfptaces of religious instruc- Lord KENYON rose to speak to the subject of order. He
tion for the lower classes in the Colonies. • end he should be ashamed of being a Member of that
The Resolution was then agreed to, as were also, after House, were their Lordships to refuse the bearing of
. a slight discussion, the Grants for Holyhead and Howth parties on this important question. It was a question
Roads and Harbours, the Caledonian Canal, the Salaries which affected the religion of the people, and the religion
of the Officers of the Houses of Lords and Commons, and! of the King upon the throne, and it was consistent
the Experices of the Houses of Lords and Commons. i with the rules of the House, that all peti-
On the Resolution being read for granting 87,3651. to tions should be heard previous to going 'ea
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with the regular Orders of the Day. Their make good the deficiencies in the Fee Flied of the Offices
Lord-
of Secretaries of State, &c. i ships were now called upon to proceed whilst so many
Mr. HUME complained of the existing system, and • petitions remained nnpresented, and petitions peculiarly
strongly recommended a new arrangement of it. 1 deserving the attention of the House, and they
Mr. HERRIES stated, that the fees went, not to the , ought to be presented before the Bill was taken into
benefit of the Officers, but to defray the charges of the' consideration. He must characterize the proceedings ter

office. •
After a few words from Mr.. MABERLY, the Roo-
lution was agreed to.
On the Resolution being read for granting 6,500/. to
compensate the COmmissioners of Inquiry into the Collec-
tion of the Revenue in_ Leland, and into certain Depart-
ments of the Revenue in Ireland, for their assiduity and

being most indreent,,kt was with the greatest surprise the
public heard of the Wilf! Duke bringing forward theinea-
sure at all, and now•tO hurry it through without receiving
the petitions would oni add to the disgust it had treated.
The Duke of RUTI,4ICD presented a petition from the
Mayor and Corporatio. Leicester, and' nother kind
Cambridge, against the
Earl BEAUCHA3IP, b;

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in
aniwer to '.a que'stion from Mr. Hume, stated that the
Commissioners would make a Report early in the next

Session of Parliament.
The Resolution was then, agreed to; as were also the
Resolutions for Grants in the shape of Salaries to certain
Officers in the Court of Exchequer, and to certain Profes-
sors at Oxford and Cambridge for reading courses' of

lectures.
On the Resolution being reed for granting the sum of
11,524/. for Salaries to the Commissioners of the Insolvent
Debtors' Court, the Clerks of the Court, and the expenecs
of the Circuit,
Mr. HUME strongly recommended to the Right Hon.
Gentleman opposite to look into the whole of the ar-
rangement respecting this subject, which, in his opinion,
would admit of much amelioration, especially as respected
the Fees of the Court, which were very heavy.
The Resolution was then agreed to, as was also the
Resolution fur a Grant for the Salaries and contingent
Expellers for the Office of the Superintendent of Aliens.
On the Resolution for granting 24,0001. for the Peni-
tentiary at Millbank being read,
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Right Hon.
Gentleman was prepared, after due consideration, to
maintain this Establishment at its present great rate of
expenditure?
Mr. Secretary PEEL replied, that if he were asked
whether he would now commence such an establishment,
his answer might, perhaps, be in the negative - but as it
had been erected at a large expence, he thought the ad-
vantages which it held out ought not to be sacrificed.
Mr. Mammy and Sir T. BARlNG:condemned the enor-
mous expence attending the Establishment.
.Mr. HUME added, that in Philadelphia the whole ex-
pence was
.paid by the labour of the convicts.
On the Vote for Retired Allowances,
Mr. HUME asked how it happened that the' vote con-
tained retired allowances for the members of the abolished
Linen Board of Ireland? He also wished to know how the
Surveyors and Inspectors of the Scotch Linen Board were
paid, as he found 0n1y2751. charged for the Stamp-masters?
Mr. DAWSON replied, that the Superannuation Allow-
ances to the members of the Irish Linen Board were war-
ranted by the nave of Parliament; and that all the officers
of the Scotch Linen Board Were'paid out of private funds,
excepting the Stamp-masters
Mr. R. GORDON denied that tke practice of the House
warranted the payMent of these allowances to persons whose
services were no longer required.
- Mr. MABERLY also denied the claim of the members
of the Linen Board.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
:said that
the Board had existed for above a century, under the au-
thority of an Act of Parliament: it followed as a matter
of triune, on the abolition of the Botird, that those wbo
were then in office should obtain some allowance, which
in this case had been calculated with the strictest regard to
economy..
Mr. R.GORDON moved, that the Resolution should be
deferred until MOnday, that time for enquiry might be
allowed.
Mr. HUME contended that before these allowances
were made, the authority of Parliament for them should
have been required.
Mr, - DAWSON adverted to the length of service of
some of the MeMbers of the Linen Board ; one had held
the situation for 55 years, another for 38 years, a third
for 30 years, and a fourth for 25 years. .This length of
service' alone would entitle the parties, on -their dismissal,
'to some consideration. • He agreed that the Linen Board
had been very properly abolished.
Mr. R. GORDON persevered in his motion of post-
ponement, denying that the Act abolishing the Linen
Board contained any clause of compensation.
Mr. MABERLY could not understand bow uny claim
could be made out, by the parties removed, and whose
services at the Linen.. Board had been rather injurious
titan beneficial to the Linen Trade, which they had aided
in driving to Scotland. Had the places been Govern-
ment offices, there 'might have been some reason for grant-
ing the allowances.
The question was then put and the gallery ordered to be
cleared for a division, but Mr. IL Gordon did not press his
motion ; and after a few words from Mr. Hume; the Chan-
cellor Of the Exchequer consented to defer the further con-
sideration of the Resolution until Monday.
COMMISSIONERS OF PUBLIC RECORDS.
On the reading ofthe Resolution for a Grant for print-
ing performed for the Commissioners of Public Records,
Mr. HUME' took occasion to suggest that the Commis-
sioners should now turn their attention to the publication
of the Charters of the 'different Corporations in the
country. Such a measure would prevent a vast deal of
doubt and litigation.
After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, the Resolution was agreed to.
On the Resolution 'that 97,2.70/. 'should be granted for
providing Stationery, Printing, and Binding for the several
Public Depirtments of Government for 1829,
Mr. HUME thought that this was a most enormous
sum- for Stationery ; and on looking over the items of the
account, he did not see that so large a consumption was
at all justified.
. Mr.' G. DAWSON said, that there were many calls for
'stationery in the Penitentiary, and he believed that on
examination it would he found that the strictest economy
was exercised in that department.
The Resolution was then agreed to:
On the Resolution that 120,0001. be granted to defray
the Bills drawn from New South Wales and Van Diernan's
Land, on account of expenditure incurred for convicts in
thole settlement,
-Mr. HUME objected to this Resolution, because it
made but a single line in the Estimates; without the
slightest information being afforded 'al to Particulars.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the
,objvrt.of the Government in 'those Colonies was to
make the convicts, by their labour, defray their own ex-
penees, as far as possible; and when it was considered how.
great the number of convicts sent there was; he thought
that the expence chirged on this country was proportion=
ably* Retiolution was then agreed to.
The Motion, to agree to the next Resolution for grant-
ing 3,040/.• for the Civil Establishment of the Bahama
tilands, was objected to by Mr. HUME and Mr. Ma-
.nsittv, and supported by Sir GEORGE MURRAY. After
a short conversation, the Resolution was agreed to.
The' Resolutions for granting 10,4451. for the Civil
Establishment of Nova Scotia, for granting 3,6001. for
the Civil Establishment of New Brunswick, for granting
4,000/. for defraying the Civil Establishment at the Her-
motile, for granting 2,820/. for defraying the Civil Esta-
blishMent of Prince Edward's Island, for granting 17,7281
for the Civil E.stabliabment of Newfoundland, for granting
10,4781. for the Civil Establishment of Sierra Leone, and
for granting 4,000/: for the Forts of Cape Coast Castle,
were severally agreed to.
Some other Resolutions were Agreed to; and some, with
' the further 'Consideration of the Report, were. postponed,
at the request of Mr. Llurre.,.till-lkforiday next. • .
The other Orders of the Day were then daposed of, and
the House odjourned at Half-past Eleven O'clock.