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London, England, 1845-07-30 00:00:00

A Y E VEN ING, JULY 30, 1845.

would assist nature, and devote a sum of money to what he had
suggested.
Sir R. PEEL thanked the Hon. Gentleman For calling their
attention t.) the subject. The report of the '1 idal Commission,
and his suggestions, should receive due attention from the
Government.
Sir. P. HOWARD wished to say a few words on the subject,
as he had attended a deputation from the Isle of Man, which
had waited on the Right Honourable Baronet with
respect to improving the unprotected harbours of that island.
The authorities of that island were ready to devote a portion of
their revenues to this object if they were supported in their
efforts by the Government. Independently of the advantages
which the construction of harbours of refuge would confer on
the shipping iu that part of the empire, they would be im-
portant elements of national defence in the event of war.
Mr. WILLIAMS said the persons who received the vote had
in many instances rendered an important service to the country.
They had received large salaries, which enabled them to save
money, by which they might support themselves when unfitted
for active service. Their support fell heavily upon the country.
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 1,8501. was proposed for defraying the expenses
of the national vaccine institutions. It was agreed to.
5,003/. was proposed for the Refuge of the De.titute.
In consequence of a suggestion made by Mr. HUME,
Sir J. GRAHAM proposed that it should be reduced to
the usual aunual amount voted, namely, 3,000/, for the same
purpose.
The vite of 3,000/. was then agreed to.
The next vote was one of 1180/. for the Polish refugees re-
sident in this country.
Mr. BO RTH WICK did not wish to increase the number of
refugees, but thought some additional grant ought to be made.
If the Right Hon. Baronet could by any remonstrance with
the French Government prevent the transmissien of refugees
from that country to this, he thought it would be highly
desirable. It was certainly a very heavy sax on
English Benevolence, and money was expended on foreigners
to which our own poor had a prior claim, but there was no
alternative for these poor foreigners but starvation, if the Par-
liament did not interpose.
Sir R. PEEL must decline making any remonstance with
the French Government on the subject, and he thought there
was some compensation for the expenditure in the reasons as-
signed for the refugees coming to this county. England
was the only country in the neighbourhood of
France to which refugees would be admitted after
being expelled from France, and its refugees themselves
preferred England to any other country, "as being able
to enjoy the greatest toleration and liberty there."—(Cheers.)
However France was at present encumbered with 11,000 of
these refugees—this country had 12,000, so that, in fact, the
number was nearly divided.
Mr. J. ABEL SMITH said, that it might not be out of
place in Lim to remark upon the intelligence—the melancholy
intelligence that hail reached this city to-day of another alarm-
ing fire in Quebec, by which 1,300 houses were burned and
thousands of poor people reduced to destitution and suffering.
He wished to know whether it was in the contemplation of the
Government to alleciate the sufferings of these poor people.
Sir R. PEEL said he had learned, with the utmost regret,
that another calamity bad befallen on a previous similar
occasion. The Government then had done all that was
possible for the sufferers, and he lelt confident that on this
occasion similar care and sympathy would be evinced. The
people of this country had exerted themselves in the most
creditable manner, and he trusted that a like benevolent
anxiety would be now evinced. He thought, however, that
Parliament should show its sympathy with their suffering
fellow-subjects, and he would propose a vote for that purpose
on a future occasion—the vote would, he thought it right to
say, be not so much for the purpose of raising a sum as to
mark the sense of the House.—( Hear, hear.)
A vote of 4,932/. was proposed to pay the pensions of minis-
ters belonging to the dissenting congregations which had been
formerly included in the civil list.
Mr. HINDLEY proposed an amendment ts the effect, that
5,688/. paid to independent Ministers be withdrawn.
Sir. CARDWELL opposed the amendment and supported
the original vote.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the origival motion 52
For the amendment 8
Majority against the amendment —44
A vote of 2,1461. was then proposed, to defray charities,
bounties, and other charges in Scotland.
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the vote.
The vote was agreed to without a division.
A vote of 1,329/. was agreed to for defraying the expenses of
the House of Industry in Dublin.
2,5001. was agreed to for the Western and Lock Hospitals.
1,500/. was voted to defray Dr. Stephens's Hospital.
5001. was voted for the expenses:of the Hospital of Incurables.
On the vote of 35,264/. being proposed for Non-conforming
and other ministers in Ireland,
Sir. SHARMAN CRA WFORD. according to notice, op-
posed the vote on account of its smallness, and proposed that no
less than 36,6001. be devoted to these clergymen.
Sir. WILLIAMS did not agree with the liberality of his
Hon. Friend, and opposed the vote on the principle that no
class of clergymen should be paid by the State.
Sir. HINDLEY objected to the vote on the same grounds,
and said that these clergymen should have very little depen-
dence on the effects of their religion on their flocks when they
looked to the State for provision.
Mr. HUME suggested that after the passing of the vote
no new recipients should be taken on the fund.
Mr. WILLIAMS said if the Hen. Gentleman would not
press the amendment to a division ; that he would do so as
his constituents objected to the State paying the ministers of
any religion.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the vote
Against it
Majority
(1.1C1,7

NATIONAL TRADES DELEGATES
CONFERENCE.-(THIS DAY.)

The Delegates assembled for the third time this morning, at the
usual hour, ten o'clock, and retrained in conference on private
business until near twelve, during which time the reporters were
not admitted. When the doors were thrown open the Delegates
proceeded with the discussion of the remaining paragraph of the
Committee's plan for a mere efficient organisation of the trades.
The first clause discussed was that under the head of " General
Secretary," which proposed that that officer " shall be elected by
the Central Committee, and shall hold his office so long as he per-
forms his duties satifactorily."
A DELEGATE suggested that the appointment should rest with
the General Conference.
Mr. FLEMING contended that the Committee were the only per.
sons with whom that appointment should rest, because, if the offi.
cers were elected by the Conference, they might elect, without in-
tending it, an inefficient person. He (Mr. F.) was also of opinion
that the secretary should be a permanent officer instead of being
elected annually.
The DELEGATE from the London Book-binders differed from the
last speaker ; he was of opinion that an annual election of the °Ri-
cer would best ensure an efficient one.
It was finally agreed upon that the appointment of the secretary
should rest with the general Conference.
It was next contended whether the office should be a permaneat
office for twelve months, or be removable at pleasure, in the event
of his inefficiency, or from some other fault.
The CHAIRMAN was of opinion that all bodies, like all individuals,
ought to have a control over their servants.:
The Conference agreed that the Secretary should hold office until
next Conference, and the Committee to have the power, in the
event of the office becoming vacant, to elect another Secretary,
who is to remain in office until next Conference.
The above was agreed to after a great deal of time had been lost
in trifiingdiscusaion, and calling upon the Chairman to read the re-
solution over and over again.
The next discussion arose upon the appointment of a Treasurer,
who, it was agreed upon, should held office upon the same terms as
the general Secretary.
" That the officers give security" was the next clause, which was
agreed to without discussion.
POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE COMMITTEE.
Under this head there were a number of provisions, one of which,
declaring that the Committee should promote " political" objects,
was objectedto.
The CHAIRMAN then read the clause, sentence by sentence, and,
after a short discussion, it was agreed to, with some trifling verbal
amendments.
The delegates adjourned at one o'clock for an hour.
The meeting resumed at two o'clock and proceeded to discuss
the next paragraph, which regulated the number who were to
form a quorum of the Central Committee. An amendment
to the proposal of the Committee was moved, to the
effect that the quorum should consist of six mem.
tiers from the country and five from London ; the
latter to manage the routine affairs of the Society in London; and
the former to express their opinions on the acts of the latter, in
writing hi certain cases, and by personal attendance in matters of
importance, and it was carried.
Mr. FLEMING said he looked upon that decision as one of the
greatest importance, and one which would more materially, and
vitally, and prejudicially affect the Conference than any decision
they had yet come to; and the moment this Conference was over,
he would retire altogether from any future participation in its
affairs, because he did conceive they had stultified themselves by
this resolution.
The CHAIRMAN (who was Mr. Evans, the representative of the
of the potters, in the absence of Mr. Duncombe, M.P.), said he
hoped there would still be left sufficient talent in the Conference to
carry on its affairs, even though Mr. Flemming should retire.
Here an irregular discussion took place, during which it was
contended that the mode of taking the votes on the amendment
was not satisfactorily understood, and that the votes should again
be taken, which was eventually done, but not before a great deal
of confusion had taken place. The result of the division proved to
be in favour of the amendment by a majority of three. After this
decision had been arrived at, the quest:on as to the number of
of those who should form a general quorum was postponed.
The clauses under the head of "Funds" were next agreed to,
after ashort discussion.
The next clause discussed was that comprehhnded under the
head of " Strikes, turn.outs, and law proceedings."
Mr. WHITE suggested an amendment of a verbal nature, and
the meeting having discussed it, they adjourned at five o'clock.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
(YESTERDAY.)
MAIVSION-HOUSE.
A man of very rude exterior and manners named
Thomas Titlell, was brought before the Lord Mayor,
charged with having so severely injured a putman at a
public-house as to endanger his life.
James Leeson stated that he was on Monday night in
Queenhithe, and he heard a great row and disturbance,
and saw the prisoner, who seemed to be the cause of the
tumult, run his head between the legs of George Prosser,
the potman of a public-house, and fling the potman over
his head, by which a most serious injury was inflicted.
The patient was taken to the hospital.
It was stated that apprehensions were entertained that
the potman could not recover.
The LORD MAYOR informed the prisoner that he would
stand in a very awkward predicament if the man who
had been so roughly assailed should die.
The prisoner, who did not seem to be influenced by
any feeling for the patient, was the❑ remanded till Mon-
day.

DUNSTABLE RAILWAY COMPANY.—A meeting of
this Company was summoned for this day, at the London and
Birmingham staticn at Euston-square, at one o'clock; but the
number necessary to constitute a meeting not having attended
up to two o'clock, the meeting was adjourned to the 29th
August.
THE LATE FATAL DRAY ACCIDENT IN BETHNAL
GREEN.—Yesterday Mr. Baker held an inquest at the London llos.
pital, on the body of David Roberts, aged forty, a labourer in the
employ of Messrs. Whitbread and Co., brewers. Particulars of this
case have already appeared. On Friday evening deceased was
riding on the shafts of a dray, which Robert Kirby, now in the
above hospital with a broken thigh, was driving along the Cam-
bridge-road, near one of the arches of the Eastern Counties Rail-
way. The noise of a down-train frightened the dray.horses, and
they started away. Deceased jumped off, and, trying to stop the
horses, got entangled in the traces, was thrown down, and one of
the wheels passed over the upper part of his body, causing injuries
of which he died in that hospital on Saturday last. Kirby was also
knocked down, and his thigh fractured by the same accident. His
recovery is uncertain. Verdict, "Accidental death."