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constituents ; and if they renounced it, they declared them-
selves unworthy of their trust.—(Cheers.)
An Host. GENTLEMAN, whose name we could not learn,
rose only to state that he should present a petition from the
place he represented in favour of the Catholic Claims. He
mentioned this, as it had been represented that his consti-
tuents were hostile to the Catholic Claims. The petition
he had to present was couched in terms which he perfectly
approved. It was his intention to present it on the first
opportunity.
Mr. MABERLY remarked, that if ever there was a
question which spread an agitation through the whole
country, and which therefore required no further delay for
its consideration, the present was one ; for, from almost
every part of the kingdom, petitions had been presented
against further concessions to the Catholics. What was
the use of granting time to circulate the Bill through the
country? It might give an opportunity to many of those
persons who opposed it to inflame the minds of the people
against it. He could not help suggesting to the Hon.
Member for Dublin, that when the question had been de-
termined by so large a majority, after a most extraordinary
discussion, in which he must say that there was less tsleut
in the IGO Members who then voted against it, than he
had ever witnessed before since he had belonged to that
House—not one of those Honourable Gentlemen hail of-
fered a single remedy in any respect applicable to the dis-
cussion. There was, indeed, a sort of recommendation
from the Honourable Member for Norwich, but he had
stopped short in his project. From the lion. Gentleman's
connection with the Right Hon. Secretary, he ought to
bare known, that when lie looked for the dissolution of
Parliament, it was highly probable the result would be
that he would get nothing by it, and that perhaps ninety
out of the 100 Irish Members mould be returned friendly to
those concessions which the Hon. Member opposed.
Mr. GEORGE BANKES rose to express his desire to
support, with his prayer and entreaty, the suggestion of
his Hon. Friend with respect to the propriety of granting
further time on behalf of the country. Before the next
week, an important step would be taken, on which there
should be a division.—(Loud cries of hear, hear, and
order.)—The Right Hon. Gentleman had said, in his ad-
dress to the House on Friday last, in reply, with reference
to the point of time, that as this ;natter had been known to
the public for the period of a mouth, therefore the period
of a week in addition to the former period, would be suffi-
cient to produce all the expression of the sense of the coun-
try. Now lie (Mr. G. Bankes) believed that the people
had been under a delusion with regard to the measures of
Governinent.—(Cheers and laughter.)—But so far from
gaining information by the statement of the Right Hon.
Gentleman, they had only been further deceived.—(More
laughter, and cries of hear.)—He defied any man to say
that from what hail beets stated by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man in that House before the measure was discussed, it was
likely that any body could have supposed that the Bill
would be such as it had turned out to be. The Right
Hon. Gentleman's speech had burst like a new light on the
country, and the parties who had petitioned before its de-
livery, ought to be allowed to petition again.—(Laughter
and cheers.)
General GASCOYNE rose chiefly to ask the Right
Hon. Gentleman whether it was his intention to move the
appointment of a Select Committee to carry the recom-
mendation in his Majesty's speech into effect, for a delibe-
rate inquiry into the whole state of Ireland ?—(llear.)
The Gallant General requested the Clerk to read the pas-
sage, which lie did to the following effect :—" His Ma-
jesty recommends, that when this essential object shall have
been accomplished, you should take into your deliberate
consideration the whole condition of Ireland, and that you
should review the laws which impose civil disabilities on
his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects." Now by that
recommendation he did understand that Parliament should
go into a deliberate inquiry into the whole state of Ire-
land.—(Hear, hear.)—This inquiry should be commenced
according to the Royal Speech, as soon as possible, and
immediately, he thought, after this Resolution was
reported.
Mr. Secretary PEEL, in answer to a questigin of his
Hon. Friend, must in the first instance, express his sur-
prise that his Hon. Friend should require more details con-
cerning a question which had been so fully considered.
He hail rather understood his lion. Friend to say the other
evening, that the facts he (Mr. Peel) had stated, were so
perfectly notorious, that it was even tlnneoessary to confirm
them by an official account. Surely any Hon. Friend
could never have expected that his Majesty's Ministers
should propose this question to a Select Coninaittee of all
others.—(Hear, hear.)—Besides, in 1825, the house of
Commons bad appointed a Committee for the purpose of
considering every question relating to the state of Ireland,
with a view to settle the Catholic Question ; but it was
expressly excluded from the consideration of a Select Com-
mittee; because it was felt that the investigation of a
question like this, of extreme constitutional importance,
could only be safely done by the whole House. Though
the word " consideration" was used, it was only used in
the sense of a favourable conclusion to the question. The
passage in his Majesty's Speech evidently meant, that the
same course should be pursued again as before; and, there-
fore, in the concluding sentence, his Majesty trusted that
they would enter on the consideration of this great question
with the temper and moderation which would best insure
the successful issue of their deliberations.

General GASCOYNE--Those are not the words of the
King's Speech. _ _

Mr. Secretary PEEL-51y Hon. Friend will find I am
very nearly right. Let the Clerk read the passage.
The Clerk read to the following effect :—" His Ma-
jesty recommends to you to enter on the consideration
of a subject of such paramount importance, deeply in-
teresting to the best feelings of his people, and involving
the tranquillity:of the United Kingdom, with the temper
and moderation which will beat insure the successful
issue of their deliberations."

General GASCOYNE—I meant the other passage,
recommending an inquiry into the whole state of Ireland
with deliberation.—(A laugh.)
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that no doubt, he thought;
could exist to the meaning of this passage. On three
preceding occasions, the House of Commons had pissed
Bills to etfect the object which this Bill was intended to
accomplish ; but it had never yet been proposed to Sus_
rend the proceedings in order to refer the question to a
Select Committee. The House had never thought of
transferring a matter of such immense moment to a Select
Committee. If the word " consideration" was used, it
meant that the consideration should be by the whole House,
and he had fulfilled the intentions of his Majesty in bring-
ing forward the Bill for giving effect to his Majesty's re-
commendation--(Cheers.)

Lord MILTON thought that no very good case had been
made out for any delay on the part of the Right Hon,
Gentleman. He begged to recal to the memory of the
Gallant General, that the first measure of the present Ses-
sion was to pass a Bill to put down the Catholic Associa-
tion, and very many Members, of whom. he was one,
thought it an act of great severity against that Associa-
tion. For his own part, and for a great number of other
Members—(Cheers),—he could say that they would
never have acquiesced in a passive manner, in that Act,
if they had not understood that, on theearliest opportunity,
the House would go into the consideration of the laws
imposing civil disabilities on the Roman Catholics, with
the view of relieving them.
Lord TULLAMORE (we believe) read some letters be
had received from Ireland, stating that on the :3(1 of March
the Roman Catholic Association had re-assembled, and -be
understood that at the latest period the Roman Catholic
Rent was regularly collected as usual.—(Hear, hear.) s
Mr. M. FITZGERALD objected to the proposal for
delay on the part of the three Hon. Members opposite,
which would only afford time for repeating petitions already
presented.—(Hear, hear.)—Of all the questions that ever
came before that House, that was the most extraordinary,
to ask for further deliberation after it had been the sul;-
ject of our successive debates for thirty years. It was well
for the Gallant General to call for a dissolution, whose
electioneering expenses were all magnanimously paid by his
constituents ; but the other 657 Members of the House
would not much relish it. The Gallant General he had
observed, had turned with extreme disgust from that pact
of the King's Speech which recommended that this ques-
tion should be considered with temper and moderation.
That was not the part the Gallant General admired.—
(Laughter.)—He trusted no compliance would be given
with the proposal for delay.
Mr. TRANT recollected that the Hon. MeMber for
Preston (Mr. J. Wood) last year actually compelled the
Chancellor of the Exchequer to abandon a.Bill:relative to
the building of churches,
that sufficient time might be given
to make the people acquainted with its contents..:. Why
should not the same course be followed now with regard to
a measure of vital importance to the safety of the'country ?
Notwithitanding all that had been said about tile folly and
faction of those who opposed this measure, he would assert
that the Members of that House were not sent there to re-
gister the deems of the Duke of Wellington;- but to do
their duty twards their constituents, by demanding fur
the people of the country time to present their. Petitions—
. be heard the Members on that (the Opposition) bide
calling the people "foolish," becausp theiolipoaed thia owe,/
sure, and when he found they had the faCe to iiiy; that if
they yishled to the public voice they would only be (fele,-
gateS, and not representatives, he really must declare, that
having come to that side of the House to learn a leison of
liberty, he must go back again to' the other side to forget
it,.--(Laughter.)—The UOn• Gent)ClPp conclpded by ex