The Sun.
London, England, 1845-07-12 00:00:00

GROUP X.

The Committee met this morning at twelve o'clock, Lord
Courtenay in the chair, when, in accordance with the resolution
come to yesterday, Mr. Webster handed in a series of objections
to the sections of the London and York line, especially that at the
Hadley-lane Wood, and several others.
Mr AUSTIN stated that he had the same objections to tender, but
that he did not think it necessary to make a separate amendment.
Mr. WEBSTER, on behalf of the Direct Northern, conceived that
this ivrice was all that was required to invalidate the London
and York line.
An animated discussion then arose as to the reception of the ob-

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solutions, which were afterwards annulled, the'y ulthriately agfeed
that no evidence should be received, except that which related to
the datum at the Greenwood-lane-road, and at the Robery Wood
point, and that notice should be given to the other side.
Mr. WYNN claimcd his right to adduce re butting evidence to
overturn the traffic testimony of the Direct Northern.
Mr. Charles Barthilomew, engineer and surveyor of the River
Don Company, which position he had held for the last twelve
years, stated that the number of vessels which pa,sed on the Don
navigation was twenty-five. Without any reference to the pro-
ceedings of the Direct Northern Company, arrangements had been
made last year to widen and deepen the canal up to Doncaster,
from sft. 9in. to Bft. 6in., in order to make the canal navigable
for large vessels. Negotiations had been entered into with Mr.
Wrightson and Sir William Cook, as well as other landowners, for
the purchase of land to the amount of 20,000.1.. and upwards. But
if a fixed bridge were thrown over the canal at or near Stainforth,
it would entirely destroy the advantages of this improvement.
The heaviest vessels which could now pass were about 80 tons,

'MARKET IN TELLIGEN CE.
COAT. ZARKEIC.
Prices per ton at the close of the market :—Buddlc's West
Hartley, Iss ; Davison's West Hartley, 153 6d; Hasting's
Hartley, 14s 6d ; Nelson's West Hurtles', 15s; Old Pontop,
13s 6,1 ; Ord's Hedheugh, 13s; Tas lor's West Hartley, 14s Gd ;
Tantield Moor, 16s; West Wylam, 14s 9d; Wall's-end Rid-
dell's Iss ; Braddyll's Jietton, 17s; East lletton, 15s 3d;
Haswell., 17s 3d ; Het' on, 17s ; Lambton, 17s ; Russell's
Hetton, 16s 6d ; Shotton, 16s 9d ; Stewart's, 17s 3d ; Bar-
rington Tees, 14s 3d; Hartley, 14s 61/41 ; Sidney's Hartley,
15s 6d.—Ships arrived, 25.:

(Fr the London 11'm Price Current of July 11.)
SUGAR.—To-day there was more activity in the home con-
sumption Sugar market, and pricos have assumed a firmer ap-
pearance for all kinds. British Plantation was in good request
for the scale and pan, the quantity sold amountin!! to 700 hhds
and fres, and the rates paid were a shade above those previously
quoted. _ _

REFINED.—To-day brown grocery lumps were sold at 69s
to 7044 and Standard lumps at 71s per cwt, but there was more
desire shown by the home trade to purchase. 'I he market is
firm for bonded Crushed, it is wanted, but few sellers are to be
met with.

MAURITIUS.—This afternoon 11,711 bags of Mauritius
Sugar were submitted -to public competition, and the whole
sold at an advance on former rates of 6d to ls per cwt.
FOREIGN.—The Dutch Company's public sale of Java Sugar
having gone off with much animation, and at an advance on
last auction of 2s to 3s per cwt, has produced increased activity
in the market here for every description of Foreign Sugar, and
an advance in prices has occurred for all kinds. The deliveries
are still going on largely, far exceeding the arrivals, and some
merchants have no Sugar undisposed of.
EAST lenia.—This afternoon Madras Sugar met with
more attention, and 1,710 bags at auction were all sold at the
former worth, low damp bright yellow fetched 39s 6d to 40s,
middling 40s 6d, mideliog brown 37s 6d to 335, and washed
37s per cwt.
COFFEE. —There has been a falling off in the demand for all
descriptions of West India Coffee this week, but any decline in
prices has been prevented by merchants supplying the market
sparingly ; the falling off in the arrivals this season, together
with the great deficiency in the stock, causing them to be firm.
By private treaty few purchases have been made and of 105
casks offered at public sale a part only found purchasers.
TEA.—There has generally been less activity in the market
since our last. Black of every descripti-in is held with firmness,
but for several sorts of Green prices have assumed a
downward tendency—the supply being on the increase.
Holders of Congou have refused to take lower rates.
In Pouchong a good business has been transacted at
firm rates. Suuchong has been selling at former rates.
Twankay is hel-i with firmness Hyson has been less sought
after, and prices are not so firm fer common, but in the value
of the better kinds there is little variation. In Hyson skin
rather more business has been transacted, and fine has fetched
stiffer rates. Gunpowder and Imperial have presented a quiet
appearance, and lower prices have been taken for fine. Flowery
Pekoe has declined in value, but Scented Orange Pekoe is still
much in request.
Sricas.—To-day Black Pepper was in request, and 595
bags Sumatra, at public sale, were sold at the former value—
half-heavy sifted fetched 21-d to 2id, good light clean 2id,
ordinary 2id, and sea damaged 21d to
SPIRITS The demand has been very extensive for every
description of Jamaica Rum this week ; prices have advanced
2d to 3d per gallon, and the business transacted has been much
larger than for a long period. In Leeward Island a large
business has been transacted, ar.d prices are still on the ad-
vance. Demerara has been in good request, and stiffer
rates are again paid. Calcutta has been purchased with
increased freedom, and a further improvement in
prices has taken place. Brandy has been purchased
with caution, and prices continue on the decline. Ge-
neva has been selling at Is 8d to Is 9d for common for expor-
tation, and fine fit for home consumption at 2s 2d to 2s 9d.
English Corn Spirits lOs 2d per gallon nett cash.
lenico.—To-day during the progress of the sale 233 chests
were withdrawn, and 907 chests have passed the sale. The
biddings were more animated, and although no improvement in
the prices to notice, buyers for export and home consumption
came forward more freely than at the beginning. Proprietors
bought in 37 chests. Of the quantity which has passed the
hammer, 5,387 chests, about 3,000 are actually sold, which is a
large proportion considering all circumstances.
Oies.—The market has at length assumed a firmer appear-
ance for Olive Oil, a good demand has been experienced from
the home trade, and several parcels have been taken for
exportation ; the rates paid are above those previously
quoted. In Palm a good business has been trans-
acted, and the advanced rates were fully supported.
Cocoa Nut is wanted, fine Ceylon fetch 28s to 295, and Syd.
ney 25s to 275. Linseed Oil has been purchased sparingly by
the home trade ; prices continue on the decline. Rape Seed
Oil has been purchased with caution, and there are sellers
of Pale at 365 6d to 375, and brown at 35s 6d to 36s
per cwt. The stock is still increasing of Seal Oil,
and there are sellers upon rather lower terms.
Cod is held for 311 to 31155, but the demand has been limited.
An increased deli e has been shown to purchase Sperm Oil,
and the supply having fallen off, an advance in prices has taken
place.
TALLOW.—On the spot Russian is not to be bought upon
lower terms, but the purchases made by soapmakers and
chandlers have been limited ; for delivery prices remain fires
and for the last three months he year contracts have been
entered into at 40s Gd to 4t). 9.1 per cwt, indeed some partie-
refuse to sell thereat. Other kinds are in t much wanted at
present, but the supply not being large no general decline in
prices has taken place.

IRELAND.
INQUEST AT BALLINIIASSIG.

The inquest was resumed on Monday morning. The at-
tendance of magistrates and gentry wa3 not so large as on the
previous da3s. A peron named William Regan, who wit-
nessed the affray, was examined. Hi statement was similar to
that of the preceding •xitnesses. He declared that he saw ni,
stones thrown befote the commencement of the filing by the
police.
The proceedings were suddenly brought to a conclusion by
the indisposition of one of the jurors (Mr. Gillman ).
The CORO N ER then said they should adj-nirn, and suggested
that it should be until after to-morrow.

Mr. Scannell objected to such a lengthened adjournment.
CORONXR—Let the Doctor be sworn as to hi, illness.

Dr. Tresilian, having been sworn, said he examined Mr.
Gillman, and found him very nervous and faintish, and much
in dread of his head, fearing apoplexy. He would not be in a
fit state to sit out the day.
CORONER—CouId he attend to-morrow ?—There might be a
possibility : but as he will have to take medicine to-night, it
might be very dangerous for him to attend to-morrow.

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The Court then"adjourned until Wednesday at half-past nine
o'clock.

A party of the city constabulary, under the command of Mr.
Inspector Walker, with constables Crowley and Burchill, are
still quartered in the district.
DUBLIN, WEDNESDAY.—The inquiry was resumed this
day, at ten o'clock, but no new facts were elicited.
THE IRISH PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.

DUBLIN, JULY B.—The General Assembly again met on
Monday in the Scotch Church, Capel-street, when a discussion
arose upon a memorial from Belfast, which prayed for tie
abandonment of the Regium Donum, on account of the pass-
ing of the Maynooth Bill. The memorial thus concluded :
" That your memorialists, as members of the Presbyterian
Church in Ireland, most earnestly, but most affectionately and
respectfully, pray your reverend body to consider the propriety
of taking immediate steps to render the ministers of your
.com-
munion independent of all state endowment, ,our memorialists
hereby declaring their determination to contribute, as in duty
bound, according to the ability wherewith God may bless them,
towards a fund for supplementing to all such ministers au ade-
quate support."
JAMES GIBSON, Esq., as a Commissioner on the part of the
memorialists, supported the prayer.
The Rev. Dr. CAItLILE, having left the chair, proceeded to
address the meeting. He said that in taking his stand there
no person could accuse him of showing favour towards Popery,
for no one could be more impressed than he was with the
withering and soul-destroying character of that heresy. Should
they throw away 35,0001. a ear because the Roman Catholics
gained 30,0001.? Sir Robert Peel would say :—" Gentlemen,
here is the money we require to endow Maynooth." There
was another point too—if it was their duty as Christians to re-
sign the grant because Government had endowed Popery, they
would be bound to call upon the Established Church to do the
same.. What would the Roman Catholics like better? How
they would be delighted to take possession of what the Presby-
terians had so magnanimously relinquished ; and, besides,
what was the alternative? He objected to the voluntary sys-
tem. He would not object to be supported by Christians, but
to receive support from those who might be enemies to Christ,
was more withering and blasting than to receive any payment
from the hands of Government.

'Die Rev. Dr. STEWA RT opposed the memorial, and con-
cluded by proposing resolutions in favour of the annual grant
to Irish Presbyterians.
After some discussion, the resolutions pronoFed by Dr.
Stewart in favour of the continuance of the Regium I)onum
were adopted.
PROCLAIMING THE DISTURBED DISTRICTS.

It is stated in Saunders' News Letter that the Lord Lieu-
tenant is prepared to proclaim the disturbed parts of the coun-
ties of Leitrim, Roscommon, and Cavan, on receiving a requi-
sition to that effect from the Lieutenants of the respective
counties.
The troops encamped have had every means taken to secure
their comfort ; the tents have been supplied with timber floor-
ing, raised sia inches or more from the ground.
Several I,g-houses, lined with sheet iron, have been con-
structed under the superintendence of an engineer officer, to
house the police wh.Te accommodation cannot be procured far
them. Each log-house is capable of containing ten men. They
have iron bedsteads, which fold up into the smallest possible
compass during the day.
The Newry Telegraph, an Orange journal, makes the fol-
lowing announcement :—All the addresses of Lords Roden,
Enniskillen, and the other Orange leaders have been unavail-
ing, and processions are to be general on the 12th of July.
DUBLIN STOCK EXCHANGE—TUESDAY.

Government Funds.—Bank Stock, 210—Three per Cent. Con.
cols, 99 991—Three-and.a.Quarter per Cent. Stock, JOUR—Six
per Cent., reduced to 4/. sterling per annum, 68 681—Four per
Cent. City Debentures, New, 94.
Railways.—Belfast and Ballymena, 6; I—Belfast and County
Down, 31—Cork and Bandon, 61 7—Cork and Youghal, 3/—
Cork, Blackrock, and Passage, 21,4 —Dublin and Belfast June.
tion, 81 i—Dublin and Drogheda. 115—Dundalk and Enniskillen,
31—Enniskillen and Sligo, 21 eat Southern and Western,
o—Gr
22k—Great Southern Extension, 101 1 li—The Midland Great
Western Railway and Royal Canal Company, 4 41—Ditto,
Extension to Sligo, 2 % —lrish Great Western (Dublin to Gal-
way), 4—Kingstown and Bray, 5 —Limerick , Ennis, and
Killaloe Junction, 51—Londonderry and Enniskillen, 31 3
Waterford and Limerick, 7—Waterford and Kilkenny, 23—.W ex.
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2i—Waterford, Wexford, and Dublin, la 1.
ford and Carlow,

WOODEN WALLS. —A railing is being
ENGLAND'S
put up round the Wellington statue opposite the Royal Exchange.
The shabby boarding, however, still continues round the Nelson
column. We think, after the handsome present of the Emperor of
Russia, they might have bound this work of art in somethingbetter
than plain boards. A column does not improve, any more than
good wine, by being kept too long "in the wood." We certainly
take a pride in giving the column this railing, because we feel that,
if it is left to the public, it will never get one. The committee,
too, %re think, requires blowing up just as much as the boards.—
Punch.

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WHITEHALL, JULY 9, 1845. \1 .„
The Queen has been pleased to diteet letters patkit os
passed under the Great Seal, granting the dignity of alraftne4 it u-y
of the United Kingdom of Gteat Witain ar.d (1 L•
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John Francis Davi., Go,ernor of (lona-K..tig, ai.d the -
heirs male of his b d, I.t‘tolly begott(n.
CROWN•OI'FICE, JULY 10.

MEMBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PaESENT
PARLIAMENI.

City of Exeter— Sir John I horn. s huller Duckworth, Bart.,
in the room of Sir William Webb Follett, deceased.

Borough of Abingdon—Sir Frederic Thesiger, of Bryanston-
square, in the county of Middlesex, Knt., her 111..jest)'s At-
torney-General.
WAR-OFFICE, JULY

2d Regiment of Life Guards—S:r M. R. S. M. Stewart,
Bart., to be Cornet and Sub-Lieutenant, by purchase, vice
Clayton, who retires, July 11.
sth Regiment of Dragoon Guards—Lieut. J. C. Yorke to
be Captain, by purchase, vice Meade, who retires; Cornet
R. 11. P. Crawfurd to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice
Yorke; J. J. Thomas, Gent., to be Cornet, by purchase, vice
Crawfurd, July 11.
13th Regiment of Light Dragoons—Captain W. Knox to be
Major, by purchase, vice Hateilton, who retires; Lieut. C.
Deacon to be Captain, by purchase, vice Knox ; Cornet C.
C. W. Domville to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Deacon;
Ensign T. H. Goad, from the 51st Foot, to be arnet, by
purchase, vice Domville, July 11.
11th Regiment of Foot—Capt. W. 11. Thornton, from the
89th Foot, to be Captain, vice Stanley, who exchanges,
July I I.
15th Foot—F. IL Mylius, Gent., to be Ensign, without
purchase, vice Braybrooke, appointed to the Ceylon Rifle Re-
giment, July 11.
46th Foot— Ensign R. W. Piper to be Lieutenant, by pur-
chase, vice Nooth, who retires; E. L. Pretyman, Gent., to
be Ensign, by purchase, vice Pipe-r, July 11.
51st Foot-11. B. We'stropp, Gent., to be Ensign, by pur-
chase, vice Rowley, appointed to the Ist or Grenadier Regi-
ment of Foot Guards, July 11.

54th Foot—F. 11. Baxter, M.D., to be Assistant-Surgeon,
vice M'Culloch, appointed to the 2d Regiment of Life Guards,
July I L__

5-9th Foot—Lieut. H. W. Gordon to he Captain, by pur-
chase, vice Weir, who retires; Ensign P. Lloyd to be Lieu-
tenant, by purchae, vice J. J. Coghill, Gent., to be
Ensign, by purchase, vice Lloyd, Gordon;uly 11.
66th Foot—Ensign H. U. Coates to be Lieutenant, by pm,
chase, vice Kebbel, who retires; R. Gniner, Gent., to be
Ensign by purchase, vice Coates, July II ; M. W. Bell, Gent.,
to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Davis, who retires, July 12.
67th Foot—Captain W. Lyon, from half-pay of the 6th West
India Regiment, to be Captain, vice the Hun. A. G. Stuart,
who exchanges ; Lieut. T. P. Onslow to be Captain, by pur-
chase, vice Lyon, who retires ; Ensign D. S. Miller to be
Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Onslow ; D. Thompson, Gent.,
to be Ensign, by purchase, vice MAler, July I I.
,9th Foot—Captain J. T. Stanley. from the 1 lth Fo,t, to
be Captain, vice Thornton, who exchanges, July 1 ; Ensign
J. Shiner, to be Lieutenata, without purchase, vice Saunders,
deceased, July 2; 'F. J. G. Thompson, Gent., to be Ensi4n,
vice Shuter, July
Ist West India R..giment—Sergeant-Major G. Junes, from
London Recruiting District, to be Ensign, without purchase,
vice Wood, deceased.

3d West India Regiment—J. Halahan, Gent., to be Ensign,
without purchase, vice Burke, dismissed the service, Jo:), H.
Ceylon Rifle Regiment—Lieutenant F. B. Bayly to be Cap.
tain, without purchase, vice Burleigh, deceased, May 2 ; Li.n..
tenant G. B. Tattersall to be Captain, without purchase,
vice Bayly, whose promotion. June 20, has been cancelled,
June 20; Second Lieutenant P. O'Gorman, to be First Lieu-
tenant, without purchase, vice Dryly, May 2; Second
Lieutenant H Sweit.-nhain to be First Lieutenant, !.iy pur-
chase, vice O'Gorman, whose proinotion by purchase, has
been cancelled ; Ensign W. L. 13raybrooke, from the 15th
Foo►, to he Second Lieutenant, without purchase, vice Swat-
tenham, July 11.
Royal Canadian Rifle Regiment—W. Kinir, Gent., to be
Ensign, by purchase, vice English, whJse appointment hat
been canceiled, July

BREVET.—Captain William Lyon, of the 67th, to be Major
in the Army, Nor. 23, 1841.

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UNATTACHED.—To b 2 Caiitain, without purchase.—Lieut.
J. M. Isaac, from the 59th Foot, July 11.
HOSPITAL STAFF—Staff Surzeon of the Second Class A.
Foulis to be Staff Surgeon of the First Class, vice W. Fergus-
son, appointed Governor of Sierra Leone, July 11.
111EmoKANnum—The date of the commission of Ensign
and Lieut. Rowley, of the Ist or Grenadier Regiment of Foot
Guards, is 7th July, 1845, and not 4th July, 1845, as pre-
viously Ftated.
Erratum in the Gazette of the 20th June, 1845.

Ceylon Rifle Regiment—For Second Lieutenant C. C.
Durnford to be First Lieutenant, vice Bayly, promoted, read
vice Tattersall, promoted.
Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Suffolk.
F. Bennet, the younger, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant ; C.
Tyrrell the younger, Esq., to be ditto ; C. Lillingstone, Esq., to
be ditto, June 27.

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LAW OF LIBEL ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
The Law of .ibel Act Amendment Bill was read a second

PRIVILEGE,

The L' RD CH lislCElloßlaitifin the table the report
of the Coannittee which had been yes'erday appointed to
search for prettedent3 r.,lating to the petition of Thomas Baker.
The Duke oi H.‘IOND rntvi•ii that. T-.one Bak••r be
called to the bar of their Lordships' Hour.: !he ,•eicdo-e of
tleitverivy in the declaration in the anion whatti his petition

13.1.2 piaiUnff, Tbamas Baker, then appea, et t t e bar, and
l answer ti, '.013 from the Lord Chancellor and
1. t. ts 8r0u..;.,a a:te Campbell, state? that he had been
I. io t.h.: month of April, 1844, to appear
anti give evidence before a Committee of their Lordships'
House oil the subject of the laws relating to gaming. Since that
period he hart been served with a declaration in an action
for libel, which had been brought against him by a person
named Harlow, for evidence given before that Committee. He
had been served with a copy of the declaration in the action,
which had been brought in the Court of Q„feen's Bench, which
declaration had been read to him by the clerk to Mr. Baines,
his attorney, and a portion of the statement contained in the
declaration consisted of a portion of the evidence given by him
before their Lordships. He had not made that statement
elsewhere.
The witness was then ordered to withdraw.
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved that the plaintiff and
his attorney he ordered to attend at the bar of their Lordships'
House on Nliinday. By that time the report would have been
printed, and their Lordships would be in a condition to con-
sider the .übject.
Lord BROUGHAM would not object to the course pro-
posed to be taken, but he begged to guard himself against
being considered as pledged to support ulterior proceedings
against the parties by not opposing this motion.
The LORD CHANCELLOR also reserved to himself the
entire right of determining what course it might be advisable
to pursue when they should have had the plaintiff and his at-
torney before them.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE was rejoiced to find
that the House was prepared to assent to this motion. He was
glad to find them now prepared to adopt a course so opposed
to that which they had pursued yesterday. They were now
acting in a manner entirely conformable with the protest which
he had made against their proceedings yesterday. They had
actually no more information before them, and yet they were
now about to do that which they had refused to do yesterday—
namely, to summon the plaintiff and his attorney before them.
Ailter a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, and an explana-
+jot) from the Marquis of CLANRICARDE,
Lord CAMPBELL said that he should be prepared, at the
Iwopf, time, when the parties should have appeared at the
bt-, to Iveirnit a m aion on the subject of the course to be
t'ipted towards them, which would be in perfect accordance
with the practice adopted in similar cases by both Houses of
Parliament and by the courts of law.
Lord STANLEY reminded the House that they had only
agreed to summon the parties to the bar, without pledging
themselves as to the adoption of any particular course when
they had them there.
Lord CAMPBELL said that they now did not know more
of the subject than they had known last evening, and yet they
were prepared to summon the parties to the bar, which they
had refused to do last evening.
Lord BROUGHAM said that they had appointed the Com-
mittee last evening, not only for the purpose of searching for
precedents, but to give the twenty-four hours for reflection on
the matter before they decided.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said they were in a different
position now to that in which they had been placed last even-
ing. Last evening they had only heard the allegations of the
petition. To-night they had had the evidence of the petitioner
delivered on oath at the bar, stating that the action bad been
brought against him for evidence given before their Lord-
ships.—The motion was then agreed to.
ALLEGED RAILWAY FRAUDS.

The Earl of CLANCAR'I'Y presented a petition from the
Chairman and Directors of the Irish Great Western Railway
Company, denying the allegations of a petition presented last
evening, charging them with fraud in attaching certain signa-
tures to the share list without proper authority. The peti-
tioners stated that they had no reason to believe that any such
fraud had Iseen committed, and that they had exercised the
greatest care and vigilance for the purpose of ascertaining that
all the signatures attached to the share list were genuine.
Petitions were presented in favour of the Wakefield, Ponte-
fract, and Goole Railway, and the Lynn and East Dereham
Railway.
RAILWAY DEPARTMENT OF THE BOARD OF
TRADE.

The Earl of DALHOUSIE, in laying a minute of the Railway
Department of the Board of Trade upon the table of the House,
said he thought it right to state totheir Lordship the altera-
tions which Government were prepared to make in the Board
of Trade, and the ground upon which they proposed to make
the change. After tracing the history of the Railway Depart-
ment of the Board of Trade, and reminding their Lordships that
the House of Commons had departed from their former system
of appointing local Committees, and referring only one pro-
ject or Bi,l to a single Committee, proceeded to remark that
the alteration had been found to operate most successfully, and
before the close of the present seson it was fully anticipated that
the greater part, if not all the mass of railway business which
had come before the other House would be disposed of, The
Noble Lord, after explaining the alterations which had been
made, proceeded to state what had been the result of the labour
of Committees with regard to the Railway Bills which had
come before them. On 247 railway schemes, comprising
a distance of 8,000 miles, 58 of those schemes were withdrawn,
and 19 were rejected for non-compliance with the standing
orders. One hundred and sixty of these Bills were read a se-
cond time, and nine of them were still under consideration ; so
that, in point of fact, there were 151 railway schemes which
had been reported and decided upon by the House of Commons.
Now, of these, there were six cases where a different decision
had been come to from that of the Railway Department of the
Board of Trade. The gauges case, the Portsmouth, the Run-
corn, the Eastern Counties line, and two other cases. There
were eight or nine other cases in which there was also a dif-
ferent decision come to, but in them there were some compro-
mises or change of circumstances which accounted for that. Of
the whole 151 schemes only 15 were rejected, and 123 were ab-
solutely confirmed. Now, in future, the Government would not
interfere with any railway scheme, but would leave its merit to
be decided in the way which had been found to work so admi-
rably. The minute which he would lay upon the table would
embody the merits of that arrangement which it was proposed
to introduce.
Lord BROUGHAM approved of the fair and candid state-
men s made by the Noble Lord with respect to the decent in-
terment of the Board of Trade. The Noble Lord then com-
mented on the immense power of delay which was exercised by
Mr. Hudson to protract the passing of railway bills for the pur-
pose of enabling him to take advantage of their standing orders.
If he only got a bill protracted for so many days more, no re-
port would be made, and the same sum of money would be ex-
pended again next session. His advice to the Committee would
be to make a report at all events, for it was perfectly necessary
for their protection against Mr. Hudson, the Minister of Delay.
—( Laughter.) He was working for delay with a twelve
counsel power, each of them being capable of expending as
much time as he was capable of expending money, agreeably to
themselves and disagreeably to everybody else. He, Mr. Hud-
son, would be just as well pleased to hear a speech from a coun-
sel opposed to him of six hours in length as a speech of the
same length from his own counsel. He was quite surprised at
the eulogiums passed on the Board of Trade by the Noble
Lord in announcing its end. Why should they put an end
to a body that was gifted with all the good qualities which he
( Lord Dalhousie) had attributed to them? They must have
come to their end unfairly, either by murder or suicide.
After a few words from Lord FEVERSHA 31 and Lord
B ILOUG HA or, the matter dropped.
COSTS ON RAILWAY COMMITTEES.

Lord BROUGHAM then moved that his railway resolution
be adopted as a new standing order. The object of the resolu-
tion was to make the promoters of a new railway pay the costs
of an opposing landholder.
The Duke of RICHMOND suggested that a proviso should
be introduced providing that costs should not be recoverable in
ca.ies where the opposition was proved to be of a frivolous
nature.

Lnrd BROUGHAM' consented to make the alteration.
The Earl of WICKLOW objected to the resolution, because
there was no precedent on record that could justify their Lord-

snips in adopting it.
Lord BROUGHANI argued that the resolution their Lord-
ships had come to relating to costs in.their judicial proceedings
was a sufficient precedent to justify their Lordships in adopting
this resolution.
After a few words from Lord MONTEACLE and the Duke
of RICHMOND,

The Earl of WICKLOW thought that there ought to be
some communication between the two Houses before that
resolution was carried. He thought there was one material
objection to it, which was that it prevented parties from pe-
titioning the House upon the subject of railways. He thought
that as the Noble Lord himself had changed his mind so often
upon the subject, it would be well to defer the consideration of
the matter.
Lord BROUGHAM said that it was impossible for a man to
make a frivolous opposition on a matter connected with his own
property. Should it be said that a man's resistance of an inva-
sion of that kind should be considered frivolous and vexatious?

If they did not pass the resolution, they would be continuing to
take a man' sproperty, and subjecting him during all next session
to the expenses consequent on his resistance. He thought, in
conclusion, that proceeding by resolution was a much better
mode of proceeding than by Bill. _ .

Lord WHARNCLIFFE said that no alteration which the
Noble Lord could make in the resolution would make it accept-
aWe to him.

Lord BR )UGH ANI said that if no change that be could
make would please the Noble Lord—if the Government set their
face against the resolution in every shape, he would wash his
bands of the matter.

Lord WHARNCLIFFE said that he did not speak as a
member of the Government. He spoke as a member of
the House of Lords.

Lord PORTMAN was very glad of the course taken by the
Noble and Learned Lord (Lord Wharncliffe. ) He was inclined
to think that all these things should be regulated by Act of
Parliament. He thought the most proper course to follow
would be to proceed by Bill. One Noble Lord:stated that the
costs of these schemes should be taxed Now if the costs on
other proceedings could not be taxed unless by Act of Parlia.
went, he did not see how they could give costs on railway
legislative proceedings.
Lord BROUGHA said that he never had occasion to hear
so many mistakes in all his life as the Noble Lord made who
had just sat down. The resolution which he purposed to add
to the standing orders of the House was based upon the report
of the Committee to which the Noble Lord referred.
Lord PORTMAN intimated his assent, but said that he did
not mean to state that there had been a discrepancy.
Lord BROUGHAM asked if there was any Noble Lord
present who did not believe that the Noble Lord wished to
convey the ides that there was a discrepancy between the reso-
lution and the report of the Committee ?
The Earl of DEVON thought it would be most discredit-
able to the House if they would not hear any parties who
might petition the House.
The LORD CHANCELLOR wished to know what the
position of the question before the House was? He understood
that the Noble Lord (Brougham) wished to withdraw his re-
solution, and bring it forward, in an amended form, on Mon-
day night, and, if that were so, he thought it was only waste
of time to continue the discussion.
Lord LANF.DOWNE then moved for leave for the Noble
Lord to withdraw his resolution, and to submit it again on
;Monday.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE then withdrew his opposition.'
Lord BROUGHAM was sorry that his Noble Friend had
done so, for he wished to have had the pleasure of a triumph
over him.
After a few words from the Earl of Devon, Lord Brougham,
and Lord Redesdale,
The resolutions were then postponed till Monday.
The Documentary Evidence Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Earl of CLANCARTY gave notice that early next
session he should move for a Committee to inquire into the
working of the Irish poor-law.
Several Bills were then advanced a stage, and their Lord-
ships adjourned.

SOUSE OF COMMONS, July 11.
LUNATICS BILL.

(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Lord A -;,HLEY denied that the Bill was any job, and de-
feuded the cour,e pursued by the Commissioners. The Noble
Lord then explained what the state of the law had been up to
1634, and the appointment of the Commission. The
Act then existing was renewed every three years
up to 1542, when a Bill was brought in by his
Noble Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancas-
ter. He then proceeded to explain the nature of that Bill.
He then went on to say that the Commission was then ap-
pointed at that time ; that they reported there were
17 county asylums in England, 11 of which were

of a mixed character, and were supported by subscription
and voluntary contributions; there were 99 houses which were
licensed by ju.tices, 59 of which received private patients, and
40 received pauper and other patients. In the metropolitan dis-
tricts there were 37 houses licensed by magistrates, 33 of which
received private patients, and the remaining four pauper and
other patients. These were visited four times a year. There
were altogether 166 houses of this description, which were
visited once, twice, and a few of them four times a year. The
report on this Commission was presented to that House at the
close of the last session ; and as he had taken such a prominent
part in the investigations, and having been chairman of
the Commission, he had been solicited to bring for-
ward some measures to remedy the evils which
existed, and the result had been the two Bills which were at
present under consideration. The Noble Lord then explained
the details of his Bills, and said that, if the House
had carefully read the report of the Commission, they would
have little difficulty in giving their support to them. He also
proved that the expense of visitation would be considerably
diminished, though the labours of the Commission
would be very materially increased.—( Hear.) He then
dwelt upon the utility of unexpected and frequent
visitation, which would be provided for by these Bills. There
was no one better acquainted with the enormous evils which
existed under the law as it now stood than he
was, and he trusted that the Honourable Member
for Finsbury (Mr. Duncombe) would not throw any obstruc-
tion in the way of those advantages which would un-
doubtedly result to those unfortunate creatures if

these Provisions were carried into effect. Ihe
Noble Lord then detailed several instances of the most
shocking cruelty which the Commission had reported on,
and which had been permitted under the existing law,
and he hoped that the House would no loner tolerate the
existence of those evils which were a disgrace to the age in
which they lived, and more especially to this enlightened country.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE moved the amendment of which he
had given notice—" That the Bill should be postponed till
next session, there not being sufficient time this session to give
that consideration to the subject which it required." He
objected to the construction of the Commission. It should sit
perpetually, as the Poor-law Commission did. He did not like
these amateur Commissioners ; if they must have Commissioners
let them be properly paid, properly responsible, and placed
under the supervision of the Home-office. At the present
advanced period of the session this measure ought not to be
pressed forward with such haste. It would be better to
postpone the measure until next session, and then to insti-

fate a searching inquiry. This measure would not
correct any of the abuses he had complained of.
Persons might still be incarcerated by interested
parties, upon the production of a certificate signed by
two medical men. An inquiry ought to be made,
to ascertain if this was such a measure as these unfor-
tunate people required for their protection, and such a measure
as the nation had a right to expect from that House. The Noble
Lord had made no allusion to the petitions which he (Mr. D. )
had presented. Let them look at the petitions of Mr.
Perceval and of Mr. Lewis Phillips. Did the Noble Lord
mean to say that Mr. Phillips was insane? He (Mr. T.
Duncotnbe) would inform the Noble Lord that Mr. Phillips
was as sane as any man in that House. How was it that the
allegations of that petition had not been inquired into? He
had made inquiries on the subject, and he believed every alle-
gation of the petition could be made out. (The Ho-
nourable Gentleman then read the petition of Mr. L.
Phillips, which has already been published.) Mr.
Phillips brought an action against Dr. Warburton,
which, however, Mr. Chitty said could not be sustained, be-
cause he had been incarcerated with a proper certificate, but
he indicted Dr. Warburton and all the parties for a
conspiracy, and Dr. Warburton paid 1701. rather than let the
matter come into court. Mr. Prockter, one of the Commissioners,
who had known Phillips, saw him in the asylum, and said he
could not release him until he had had their visit. A poor
woman in the next cell to Phillips had complained to the Com-
missioners, and had been brutally ill-treated by the keeper
in consequence. These things required that a searching in-
quiry should be made into the operation of the present law.
There were good things in this Bill ; for instance, the
power of visiting asylums for single patients. But he
objected to rendering this Commission permanent until inquiry
had been made into the working of the existing Commission.
This measure had been so smuggled through the House, that
the public were not aware that such an important measure
was under consideration. The Hon. Gentleman then referred
to the petitions of Mr. W. Bailey and Captain Digby,
both of whom he believed to be sane. He contended that
Captain Digby had been confined from interested motives,
and that he was not a fit person to be shut up. It
was horrible to contemplate the probability of a sane
man being committed to one of these dreadful asylums
on a certificate signed by two interested apothecaries,
without being taken before a magistrate, and without the
intervention of a jury. Captain Digby was not released
until he threatened an action against the persons
who had incarcerated him, and as a proof that Dr. Stillwell
did not consider him very insane he would state that Dr.
Stillwell made him sign a cheque for his keep before he
was released. He complained that where parties came
before the Commissioners to prove the sanity of their friends
they were treated with haughtiness and arrogance. Capt.
Digby's relations, and some of them ladies too had been
thus treated by the Commissioners, and if they
would grant him an inquiry he would prove it.
Captain Digby, if he were examined, would state the cruelties
which he had witnessed, and he did himself honour by the way
in which he had come forward. He knew it might be said that
Capt. Digby was insane. But he would direct their attention to
cases which had come before the police magistrates, and about
which there had been no doubt. ( The Hon. Gentleman then
alluded to the case of Mrs. Finn, who, having been confined as a
lunatic, was released through the intervention of Mr. Broughton.
magistrate, who had stated from the bench his opinion that the
law required alteration.) Now this measure made no alteration
whatever in the law in this respect. He also objected to
the great allowances, and to the large retiring pensions,
awarded to the Commissioners and their officers. It savoured
of an attempt at a job, and that alone ought to throw out
the Bill.

On the amendment being put from the Chair,
Mr. S. Crawford and Mr. Smith rose together, and, neither
being inclined to give way,
Mr. DUNCOMBE rose to order, and insisted on the
priority of Mr. S. Crawford's claim.
The SPEAKER having called on that Hon. Member to
proceed,
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said that, considering the late period
of the session, he thought the proposition of postponement not
only reasonable, but absolutely necessary, and he, therefore,
should second the amendment of his Hon. Friend the Member
for Finsbur.
Mr. V. SMITH regretted that the Honourable Member
who had chosen to introduce this amendment had not thought
it consistent with his duty to consult the convenience
of the Speaker, and reserve discussion till the Bill went into
Committee.—( ffear, hear.) But the very objects of the
Member for Finsbury himself—viz , to obviate or remove the
evils existing under the present Commission—would be much
better promoted by allowing the measure to proceed without
delay. The comparison instituted between the two Com-
missions, the existing and the proposed, was strangely un-
tenable. The peculiar feature of the Noble Lord's (Ashley's)
Bill was, that it sought to dispense with the present Commis-
sion, and create another without the anomalies or evils com-
plained of now, and its virtual effect would be to postpone the
powers of the very Commission which was so frequently
and unjustly impugned. He said unjustly. As to
the anecdote told by the Honourable Gentleman respecting
Captain Digby, who was alleged to have signed a cheque when
in confinement, and on his liberation immediately going to his
banker and stopping payment, the case, if true, certainly attached
blame to the officer, but none whatever to the commis-
sioners.—( Hear, hear.) It fell wholly without their juris-
diction, and like that of Mr. Phillips and Mr. Per-
cival was irrelevant to the conduct of that body. He,
therefore, trusted the House would refuse the proposition for
delay, and adopt a measure of such vast benefits and importance
to the public.
Lord DUNCAN moved the adjournment of the debate.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM surgested that the Hon. Member
for Bath should withdraw his motion of adjournment, on
an understanding that the details of the Bill should not be dis-
cussed till Monday next, and that meanwhile the sense of the
House should be taken on the Hon. Member for Finsbury's
amendment.

Mr. DUNCOMBE stated that the appointment of Monday
would be personally inconvenient to bim, but if Tuesday at
twelve o'clock were named, he would promise not to oppose
the Speaker's leaving the chair on that day.
This arrangement being acceded to, strangers were ordered
to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared—

For Mr. Duncombe's amendment. I
For the original motion 66
Majority for the original motion —6s
The House then adjourned to Five o'clock.

The SPEAKER took the chair again at Five o'cloek.
PRIVILEGE.

Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition from Mr. Phillips,
who stated that he had suffered much in practice as a surgeon,
and had been kept out of several lucrative situations in conse-
quence of the evidence of Mr. Jasper Parrott given before a Com-
mittee of that House. The petitioner prayed the House to take
his case into their most anxious consideration, and grant him the
means of meeting the evidence of the said Joseph Parrott, and
if such evidence should be proved to be false, to enable the peti-
tioner to recover damages. The Hon. Baronet moved that
the petition be printed, and gave notice that he should submit
a motion on the subject on Monday next.
Mr. DIVETT said he had a petition on the same subject
from Mr. Parrott, who stated, that in giving the evidence
complained of, he had been actuated by no malicious
or vindictive feeling, and that such evidence was given
under a sense of duty which he owed to that Hon. House.
The petitioner prayed for an opportunity to substantiate the
truth of his statements, and alleged that Mr. Phillips had not
been deprived of any office in consequence of the evidence of
the petitioner.
Mr. BALFOUR presented a petition against the Scotch
Poor Law.

Messengers from the Lords then brought in several Bills
from the Upper House.
THE DANISH CLAIMS.

Mr. HAWES postponed his motion on the Danish claims
till Tuesday week.
CRIMINAL JURISDICTION.
Mr. ESCOTT said he would on Tuesday next move
for leave to bring in a Bill for the abolition of
certain unjust fees in courts of criminal jurisdiction.
POOR-LAW AMENDMENT (SCOTLAND) BILL.
Sir JAMES GRAHANI moved the order of the day for
going into committee on the Poor.law Amendment (Scotland)

Mr. HUME said that while he was most anxious that her
Majesty's Government should ameliorate the condition of the poor
in Scotland, he was yet anxious, as the Billbefore the House was
a long one, containing many provisions, that it should be post-
poned till next session. so as to give the people of Scotland an
opportunity of testing the Bill, and of postponing such amend-
ments as would render further legislation unnecessary. He
trusted, that they would, therefore, postpone the Bill.
Mr. EWA RT quite agreed in the opinion of his Hon.
Friend ( Mr. Hume) that the measure should be left over till
next session. He thought an opportunity ought to be ac.„
oorded every Member of the House, but especially those re-
presenting Scotch communities, to consult their constituencies
on the measure. He for one wished for such an opportunity,
as he should be in a better position next session to give a de-
cided vote upon the Bill.
Mr. P. M. STEWART said he would go further than either
of the Hon. Members who had preceded him, in urging the
postponement of the measure. He asked the Government to
apply to Scotland their own principle—that principle which
had guided them in their conduct of other propositions intended
for the benefit of other parts of the kingdom. He asked them
to look at the feeling of Scotland upon this measure, to consult
the opinion of the people of that country, and then act upon
the expressed --ad7l9, time most competent to Ova it. Now:

though this Bill had been more than two f nonths before
the public, not one petition had been -resented in
its favour—( Hear, hear)-while, on the other hand,
numerous had been the petitions laid on the table
of the House in its condemnation. It was a measure which
while bringing no good to any one, but masking the erase of the
poor man infinitely worse, would, as his Hon. Friend the Mem-
ber for Montrose had said, encumber thel statute-book, already
overloaded with amended laws, with another altered .or re-
scinded enactment next session. The present was purely
national question. He was willing to assist the Goveresment
on the subject of national legislation. The proposed me.ssure
did no good to the poor man. No sufficient equivalent was
substituted for the pains and distresses which he suffered. 1" be
Hon. Member for Peebles might shake his head, but that fur-
nished no argument. There was the evidence of the parish of
St. Cuthbert, a little world in itself, resisting the Bill. The
Bill was not passed yet, and the parish of St. Cuthbert, which
contained a population of 70.000 individuals, objected to the
measure, because it would amalgamate them with the city tof
Edinburgh. They provided for their own poor, had their own
workhouses, and were perfectly independent of the city, and yet
it was intended by the present measure to assimilate them with
the city where the poor-rates were Is. Gel. in the pound. The
Bill would force them to join with the city. That was a sample
of the entire measure. The centralisation system was founded
on a false principle, and would occasion universal discontent if the
Bill were proceeded with any further, as it now stood. Why
not consult the feelings of the people of Scotland? He would
say, let the Bill for the present stand as it did, but do not let
it be passed through the statute-book until this next session, in
order that sufficient time may be afforded to make the neces-
sary inquiries for proper alterations. He would say that they
ought to apply the same principle to Scotland that they applied
to other questions. Hardly had one petition been received in
favour of the measure, while great numbers had been forwarded
against the measure from the people of Scotland. All admitted
that legislation was necessary, that a poor-law was wanted for
the people of Scotland, but they considered that the present
measure, instead of effecting an improvement, would render
matters far worse than they now were.--( Hear. )
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that as a direct appeal had
been made to him, he would briefly address himself to the ques-
tion. If ever there was a question which was divested of all
party character it was the present. It was said that the present
Bill was a crude measure, and that time had not been given for
the due consideration of the question. That was not the case.
There had been ample inquiry made before the present Bill was
framed. Evidence had been taken before a commission, and
whatever difference of opinion might prevail as to many points
of that evidence, it was generally admitted that it abundantly
proved the necessity of legislation. That evidence had been
before Honourable Members for twelve months. He was sorry
that any man should think that the Bill was a crude and im-
perfect measure, yet in supporting that opinion it could not be
said that it had been hurried through the House. The Bill was
introduced at the beginning of the session, it had been amply
discussed, and a large majority of the House had decided in its
favour. It had also been once postponed, in order to allow the
people of Scotland an opportunity of discussing its provisions.
His Right Hon. and Learned Friend (the Lord Advocate) and
himself had given the measure their best consideration and
most anxious attention, and it was their deliberate opinion
that it was as good a measure as could, under the circum-
stances, be introduced. When he remembered how much
the matter had been canvassed, and what a length of time
the people of Scotland had had for deliberation, he could not see
that there was any necessity for further postponement. The
Hon. Gentleman said there were no petitions in favour of
the measure, whilst a great number were against it. He
(Sir James Graham) must say that he had never known, in
all his Parliamentary experience, a measure of this kind to be
petitioned for. He thought, when the measure came into full
operation, the people of Scotland would be well satisfied with
it. The House had already, by a large majority, twice
affirmed the principle of the Bill, and if, after passing through
Committee, there remained anything obnoxious in it, the
Hon. Member could move the amendment on the third read-
ing of the Bill.
Mr. LOCKHART thought, with some modifications, the
Bill might be made acceptable to the people of Scotland. He
further thought that it would prove a remedial measure. The
only clause he objected to was the 16th clause; with that ex-
ception he approved of the Bill.
Mr. GIBSON CRAIG was understood to say that he
entirely approved of the Bill, and thought it would be received
with approbation by the people of Scotland.
Mr. HASTIE hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would post-
pone the Bill, at least for the present. That some remedial
measure for the condition of the poor of Scotland was neces-
sary, he did not mean to deny; but in consequence of the
manner in which the press had described their sufferings, much
had been done to ameliorate their condition, and they were
now in a better state than they had been for some time. He
must repeat his desire that the Government would postpone
the Bill.
Lord DUNCAN did not agree with the Hon. Member in
thinking the condition of the poor of Scotland at all improved.
Mr. E. ELLICE said he held in his hand a statement, from
which it appeared that since the discovery of the actual state
of the law, the poor had been in a much better condition, and
were better cared for than they were before. He differed very
much from the opinion of his Hon. Friend the Member for
Edinburgh. He knew that the almost unanimous opinion of
the people was against this Bill being passed in its present
shape. He had met with but one opinion with respect to this
Bill if it were passed in its present shape, and that was, that it
would be most mischievous in its effects. At a meeting lately
held in Scotland, this Bill was declared to be a fraudulent at-
tempt to take away the rights of the poor. He entreated the
Right Hon. Baronet to pause before he pressed this measure.
Sir J. AP TAGGART could bear testimony to the accuracy
of what had fallen from his Hon. Friend the Member for
Paisley.
Sir J. HOPE, and Mr. P. BORTHWICK supported the Bill.
Mr. G. DUNCAN said he had received a great many
letters upon this subject from various parts of Scotland very
recently, and some of them even that day, all of which ex-
pressed their dissent to this Bill, in many of its clauses. Now,
with regard to the definition of the sum at which parties were
to be rated, he understood it was intended to be fixed at 40/. ;
but if it was, he would ask, why not state it in the Bill ?
( Hear.) But if the Bill were to be passed into a law in its
present state, so far from its being of any benefit, it would be
an unfailing source of litigation, and of heart-burning and ill-
will.

Mr. ROSS said he represented a portion of the country
where the people were deeply interested in this Bill, and there
were some clauses in it that were deemed so unjust and so
monstrous, that if the Right Hon. Baronet opposite did not
consent to abandon them altogether, he would give the Bill all
the opposition in his power. What he now wished more par-
ticularly to advert to was this : it would appear by this Bill
that neither an Irishman nor an Englishman could acquire a
right to relief in Scotland. Now, let him ask, was it because
that men happened to be natives of either England or Ireland
that no period of residence in Scotland would give them a right
to relief ? Was it possible that an Irishman, who might have
spent his youth, and his blood, and his sinew in enabling a
Scotch manufacturer to convert the man's strength into goods,
that at the end of his power of labour he was to be turned adrift,
sent back to Ireland, and, finding that none there lived belong-
ing to him, he was to find no asylum in Scotland if he should
return to it, but be treated as a vagabond. Such treatment
would be enough to make a man's blood boil. But let him asc
what argument could he, as an anti-repealer, use against such
a law ? If. then, the Right Hoe. Baronet did not abandon
those clauses he (Mr. Ross) would move that the Bill be read
a third time that day three months.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that though he was not con-
nected with Scotland, yet he had received several petitions from
different parts of that country against the measure. He had
received petitions from Aberdeen, from Dundee, from Edin-
burgh, from Paisley, and from Glasgow, and the parties sign-
ing them all complained that the Bill contained no provision for
the relief of able-bodied paupers out of employment. The
question was whether the Bill would not place the poor in a worse
position than before ? He considered it would. The measure,
in his opinion, was hurried through the House in order to put
an end to certain rights of appeal that have lately been dis-
covered as belonging to the people. It was found that the poor
had an appeal to the Court of Session, which the present Bill
now sought to quash. He hoped, from the feeling displayed by
the people of Scotland in their petitions, that the Right Hon.
Gentleman would consent to the postponement of the Bill to
another session.
Colonel RA WDON supported the postponement of the Bill.
Nearly all the Scotch Members in the House had either
spoken or voted against the measure, and great numbers of
petitions had been presented to the House from the people of
Scotland against it. On these grounds he hoped that the fur-
ther consideration of the Bill would be put off till the next
session. There was one clause which had his most decided op-
position. It was a most inhuman and cruel clause. It pro-
vided that persons under the necessity of applying a second
time for relief should be acted towards as a criminal, and under
certain circumstances be treated as a felon. Such a clause
was so harsh, so inhuman, and so unconstitutional, that he
could not consent to going into Committee on such a Bill. He
concluded by moving that the Bill be read that day three
months.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the objections of the
Gallant Colonel were matters of detail, and could be better
discussed in Committee than now. He denied that the clause
was of the penal character described. It only provided that in
case of parties living on the parish funds, under circumstances
where they might be able to work, and had reasonable pros-
pect of employment, should be treated as rogues and vaga-
bonds. The same principle was recognised in England, as well
as in Scotland. It was, therefore, nothing new, and was ne-
cessary as a protection against fraud.
After a few words from Colonel RAWDON,
Mr. HAMILTON said he should be sorry to defeat the
measure, as the objectionable clauses were stated to be an open
question. He hoped the Gallant Colonel would withdraw his
motion, and allow the House to go into Committee. Unless
the clauses then were much modiffed, he should certainly give
the Bill his most decided opposition.
Sir J. GRAHAM explained, and hoped that Hon. Mem-
bers would go into Committee on the Bill, when a full oppor-
tunity would be allowed of discussing the clauses.
Lord C. HAMILTON condemned the clauses of the Bill
relating to Irishmen, and hoped that, on going into Committee,
they would be altered so as to give the natives of that country
an industrial settlement.
Mr. HENLEY said that unless the clauses were much al-
tered, he should give the Bill every opposition in his power.—
( Loud cries of " Divide.")
The Gallery was then cleared for a division, when there
appeared—
Far the amendment
Against it 9O
Majority against the amendment ... —s2
Mr. HUME said, that he himself did not give trouble to
the Government with respect to this Bill, but he only for-
warded to the Lord Advocate all the requests of the working
classes in Scotland that it should be postponed. He had been
assured that the goin„. into Committee would not be pressed
against the wishes of the people of Scotland, whom this Bill
would affect. He wished to see the Bill postponed and cor-
rected. He thought it was the Bill of the rich man, against
the poor man.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, that he was perfectly con-
vineed that his Hon. Friend had not expressed his own
opinions, but those of others, for he well remembered that
when his L,.arned Friend (the Lord Advocate) first introduced
the Bill, the Hon. Member (Mr. Hume) expressed his de-

,
tided approbation of it.
Lord JAMES STUART begged to say, that he and
many Members at his side of the House, whom he could

answer for, had voted in accordance with their views, as to
their public duty. He would not sit in that House to sup-
port landlords' measures, nor to give his vote in favour of any
measure which would be oppressive to the poor of Scotland.
It was said that there were no petitions presented from Scot-
land but which were hostile to this Bill. He himself had pre-

s,,nted a petition from his own constituents, and he could not
say that there was any desire expressed in it for the postpone-
ment of the Bill. He could not perceive that it was a landlords'
Bill, as was stated. He was, therefore, in favour of their going
into Committee once more on it.

Mr. P. M. STisiART approved of the introduction of
the poor-law into Scotland, but yet he was of opinion that the
measure should be postponed till next session, in order to give
themselves the opportunity of obtaining information on the
subject from practical men, and framing the Bill so as to be
satisfactory to all parties.
Lord DUNCAN said that it was difficult to discover what
they were at. If they wished to discuss the principles of the
Bill, would it not be better to do so on the third reading, and
if they wished to discuss the details, why not go into Committee
on the clauses?
The House then went into Committee.
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