Star.
London, England, 1830-12-07 00:00:00

STATE OT THIS COUNTET.

Mr. Alderman WAITHhI AN rose and stated, that soon after
Christmas he would call thrattention of the house to a few facts re.
laung to the state of trade in the country, and other matters that
would perhaps astonish some of the oldest members in the house. He
would also take the opportunity to give notice, that it was his intention
to bring forward a motion for a bill to do away with house and window
times.

Mr. DAWSON rose and said that u the gentlemen on the opposite
benches seemed to take so much credit to themselves for their uteasum

of retrenchment, he would take the earliest opportunity that the rules
of the House allowed, to lay before it the reductions that had been made
by the 'late Government,: and also such reductions as they intended to
have made.

Sir GEORGE WARRENDER spoke in favour of retrenchment,
and said it was the only means by whichOoverment could attain the
unfidenee of the country. He hoped that they would persevere in their
measures, and that means would betaken to allay the agitation occa-
sioned out of doors by exaggerated statements. It was necessary to
have all returns distinctly defined, such as that moved for by the hon.
baronet opposite, to prevent misunderstanding in the country. He (tile
G. Warrendet) had never seen any Government in this country. in his
remembrance,eo much entitled to his support as the present Government.
Mr. DAWSON rose to explain, that he did not mean to deprecate
retrenchment, he only meant to say, that the abolition of offices hastily,
might endanger the public service if carried too far.
Mr. BAKING thought the returns moved for, ought to be submitted
to a Committee, for there might be many items that could be explained.
There had been times of great extravagance, but he could say, that the
last ministry had nut been pre.eminently so, nor had any of the minis.
try since he had had the honour to sit in the house. With regard to
the notice that had been given by the hon. Alderman regarding the state
of the country, and i:s distress, be (Mr. Baring) thought it would
set be sent to Committee, as he had already seen such measures tpro.
ductive of no good, but to have occasioned much labour. He thought
that it would be more advisable for the House to tako into con.
sideration the state of the Southern Counties, and he hoped
that some Member would shortly bring forward some measure
with a view to ascertain the state of the labouring classes in these dis-
tricts—their rate of wages.: and other matters connected with them.
He feared that it was beyond the reach of legislation to cure their dis.
tresses ; but it was the duty of the house to make this attempt, if pos-
sible, before that punishment should be inflicted on the misguided
;Auden. This would be much better than going into the general

question ; all that the country wanted was pence, quietism, good Walt,
and confidence. (A laugh.)
Colonel SIBTHORP remarked, that the savings which had been
ahead by the present Government reflected upon them the highest
I credit
Mr. ROBINSON would caution the House against the dangles
that the state of the country would ever be socatained without inquiry.
Hs reminded the House of inquiry hawing been refund last Session,
when the country was is as bade state as it is now. When the Hon.
Member for Dover hied proposed to institute an inquiry on the
state of taxation of the country, it was refead by the Hoses ; resit
( Mr. Robinson) was happy to my that the motion was supported by
severs] of the Hon. Members of the present and be hoped thee
now that they had the raiment in their own they would adept
the measure. It imla form a most important Committee, and woad
tend to equalise the tamales. He wadi advocate X tax upon real
property ; the late Ministers had at one time eateetaned an idea of
having such a an, and the late Mr. Haddam had acknowledged
its necessity. By this revision, taxation would be withdrawn
in some degree from the necessaries of life, and would be kw
oppressive on the labouring classes. Be supported the preposition Fier
a general inquiry into the state of the country.
Sir R. PEEL said, that if a committee was to be appointed foe a
general inquiry, having so mane points se take into consideration, it
would only be to involve them in endless labour, without salving at
any remedy. He was convinced the period was now arrived for a die.
minima* inquiry into the 'sericulture,' elate of the country. A
limited inquiry, by which the Mama between the present charge foe
labour and that made forty yeas ago, andsuragic: the natant of
the contrast between the Inhabitants a the and those of the
other countries should be ascertained, would be pr and beneficial.
There was another point on which many inquiries were made, the pos-
sibility of the population finding a vent in the North American cola
Mee. He would not now allude to the subject farther than to observe,
that the individual who had been rent out to make enquiries was now
returned and the result of his observations was before the committee.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought that an inquiry was indispensable.
An Hon. Member deprecated the introduction of the poor rate in the
payment of wages. as bad been the practice of a certain noble lord (Lord
Gage). In his county, in which the mesa labour was from 9s. to IS..
the custom bad been to attach a kind of stigma to the accepting of any
thing from the poor rate.
Mr. L. WELLESLEY observed, that the noble lord alluded to had
been quite ignorant of any of his labourers being paid part of their
wages from the poor rate, and that be bad, on leaning it, refunded the
whole.
Mr. O'CONNOR DON expressed his surprise at the disturbances
in England, when the people of Ireland, who were in a much worse eon.
dition, remained quiet.
After a few words from Mr. O'Brien. Mr. Cartels, Sir J. Burke, Mr.
Pelham, Mr. Rice Trevor, and another Member, the Speaker was al-
lowed to leave the chair, and the house went into a

COMMITTZZ OP SUPPLY.
On the motion of Mr. S. RICE, the following sums were voted:—
137,5001. to complete the sum necessary to defray the extraordinary
expenses of the army for 1830.
113,0001. to defray several army services for seven days, from the 25th
to the 31st of December, 1830.
03,872 L to defray the remaining expenses of the Commissariat De-
partment.

10,0001. for the remaining Civil eontinpocies.
00,0001. to defray the remaining expenses of the works executed by
a direction of the Board of Ordnance.

£25,000 for the repairs of Windsor Castle. On this item,
Colonel SIBTHORP observed, that a stop must be put to expenses
which from 150,0001. at which they had been originally calculated, had
been carried to DOO,OOOl.
Mr. 8. RICE observed that the report of the committee to which the
subject had been submitted had put a limitation to the expense. In this
as in every other estimate the greatest economy would henceforth prevail.
Sir O.WARRENDER said that the true economy was now to com.
plete the edifices begun.
Mr. ROBINSON said that the estimates should have been correctly
framed at first. _ _

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lift. Ferguson, Mr. Curtels, and Mr.Warburtoo, said a few words.