The Sun.
London, England, 1816-10-02 00:00:00

DANIELWILLw4,s, Knight, exatniOrid.

, •
you 'are one of:,the magistrates of the White-
clotr,el eti Os in n ; .
yttp have held. :that situation since the year
1796 have. •,!
Mat other employment do-you hold indepen-
dent of that of lioliee Magistrate I—Nu other em'
pkymetit, except that of- Colonel ut the first re-
giment of the Tower Hamlets %viten ens •
bod:ed..
What is the eitent of Our jurisdiction ?..-From
vest' to -east about two. miles and a halt ; from
Ootth to south about two miles; there use five
toetplAeparishes wifhin the division; the Trini-
ey Whitechiiprl, Aldgate, Bow, and
1;1011141, patt at Spitaltirlds,, actlionl-green,.the
hamlets of Miie-end.new and 9161 town, the.ple-
cinets..of. the Tower, and, Wellelose-squarc
think .those are 41.
Is the attendance of thr! diff rent magistrates
et your, olliee.acCordity to tht t.rnis oi the act of
p i;o4nutul set.
you acquainted with any of the county ma..
giittittei ?-There are several of the county ma-
gistrates, who are resident near the spot, who
bctia.siOnallyinok In at the mice.
So that it never happens that, according to the
leiter of the act of parliament, there is not one of
the police, magistrates present believe never.
It his never occurted of. an evening, lot
in-
stance, that no police magistrate should be pre-
kott-4. believe not ; the resident magistrate al-
waYs'actends in' the evening.
'Mr. Davies, Y dank, resides in the house.?—
lie dries. •
It is Considered as part of 'his duty to attend
ek,ery evening..at the °dim 1-.--Not, quite so; Mr:
navies is a very aged infirtis. luau, seldom going
out, therefore myself and colleagite, Mr. Rogers,
take the whole of the day ,duty, and he electites
the duly ofan evening.
cakt lie should, from the state health,'
be linable to attet,tl, who does his duty I—tine or
00(4 Or us, certainly.. . . ,
Then yon wish the :Committee to undertand
tinctly, that it has Oever occurred' that' the'pelice-
ofPe slould be without a-magistrate of au even-
ing,?—NO, I btliive it has never occurred that
thejace.shonld nc without one pOilee'tthigistrate;
hilgie Mr. 1), vie.; shoolil be ilLone-of those
gisit.ates who ft equently look in an even)ng
Could give us-assistance 'at Occasion tnight'ietptire.
The committee wish to ktinw in point of fict,
whether such is not the state of health of Mr.
Davies, that those magistratE6' do not attend ot.
truer than ?—No ; he is constantly at
the office of as ‘e'vetting,:antl, though be ht bid and
infirm, yet he Is not in a state to incapacitate him
frOtti his duty.
tiow toasty clerks are there in the office ?..--Tv4Vci.
Is there Ntti extra eVerk - •

Sao these two clerks dOly attend ?—...-Tnykrigbiy,
1)0 they !lola atty`other ditilatiOtt ; are they 50)1-
citors ?—The chief clerk •is a solicitor 3 but I do
not kiln iff of ally man more correct in his attend-
once thahe is.
Does ire practise as a solicitor lu the office ?
N.) ; he is a partner %%ill) a solicitor itt the neigh.
boorhootl.

..lut neither be nnr his partner practise fit 3 SOli-
ittota ii the 01litte ?--Certainly out.
ou have eight constables I—Yel.
Du you consider .that number as sufficient for
the extent of your jutistlietion ?—lt his hitherto
been stitUient ;'-but I think it would hells:arable
if there uai a small increase.
Tice receive 3 guinea a week ?—They do.
Do yiui think that 3taliCitilt to enable you to
procure persons lit fur the purposes of police con-
‘tables ?—I do, taking into consideration the
other emoluments derived from their situation.
How niuch should you estimate those other
emoluments to be 1--tcannot Immediately taxer-
tain, but I will describe them they receive,so
much for serving a warrant ; they receive 3s.
week from the establishment, a certain number of
t :em, for perambulating the district every night ;
what occurs during that perambulation is entered

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itt El took, alit laid upon the rnales`tratu's
every morning; they have also an aiitvance fvoni
the county, of three shillings ti dky for eoch day's
attendance wfi.n they have rolAccotions -to carry
on ; and they hove a similar ullow;tuc'e at the Ohl
Bailey, when uttenaing as witnesses.; awl of re-
wardl under the several Acts of Palliailien't they
also receive a prOpor but 'that is entirely at
the discretion au►l undet the OirectiOn of the Re-
corder of London, and. is divided between the
officers, the prosecutors, and I:VitilelieS, accord.
ing to his direction. .
Should you estimate the whole at tf*receipts
tlraviin from those sources at fifty or sixty punch,
a-year should thiuk more have. not mi-
nutely inquired into it, but 1 shottl4 consider it
must be 80 or 901.

You have nut taken into the account what they
May receive, in the nature of revethd, trout the
.party prosecuting-, or front persons- seeking their
assistance at Itte face?--It is the general pr3c-'
tics:, in cases ut felony, where a pritsecutor.is an.
Xionsto apprehend an offender, to- offer a reward
upon their conviction ; and I have not taken into
thelteconnt, whim I say 801. or 901. 3 year, any
sum which they might derive front receiving such
portion of the revs
Do you, as one of the magistrates, or do the
nragistrates in general, pay great attention to that
part of the subject, under the convict it that con-
,idtrable'hhuses might arse tram their receiving
snnis of money ?-1311ti :nen would undoubtedly be
very prone to betray their trnst. I canonlysperik
as tar as regards my Own people; I coOlider thee►
to be very fair and honourable men they are
certainly exposed to very great temptation, tl►tt I
never Met with any gingp instAntze that had a
tendency to.criminate any one ()dicer itmier our
employ.
you put arty► lititit tn., or do you discourage
in any manner, t he teceipt Olt hose sums of money
on the parr of the police-officers-, from persons
attending at the otlice to request their assistance,
for which they are paid by the publie td give ?
They ate encouraged and directed to give prompt
assistance whenever it is, required ; Hutt Whenever
they receive information that a felony has been,
committed, it is their duty, finder ony Immediate
inspection, instantly to-Matte every exertion in
their power, and never to wait fur any stintulus
or reward. _ _

DO you think that, as .far as the constables of
the.Whitechapel division are concerned, die re-
ceiving or nor ve4.eivitlg the tevrocd in4ps any
dit rrence in the pains (hey take iu uppreisending
an offender should ct»tsider not ; whero is re-
ward is offered it must prunably.will. create tqldil
tionul exertion. . . _

Is it your opinion that the. present !awl, pro;.
portioning the reward far ihe apprehension and
eonNiction of offenders, is the' best mode of re-
warding poliee-Otficers; Or w'Obiti it not he better
it a discretional:), power was vested hi the hand,
of the Magistrates, enabling them to girt rewards
for specific services ?-1 am inclined to believe.
that it the law was altered, and gave that power
into the bands of the Magistrates, it would be be-
neficial to the Einblic. ~ • •
You have been a Police Magistrate 20 yens ?
I have.
flAs it rahlen within your observathan, that the
Morals of the public, in your division, arc bcf-ter ,
yr worse, or statiolidry, since that pe4nd
think that their morals (hiring titlit Otkve
1mm0:4)4 amended ; do tint thjalt thq arc:.
worse, it it be talon into Conaltittrat ion the na-
ture of the emplOyaients and' the situations
those who resale in that extensive diarict ; they
are comprised the labouring hist' and their fa-
milies, villa are poor and dislr.sssed ; when. they
receive inoiiey hit- their labotir, theyare improvi-
dent, and do not apply' it to benefit their families,
but in general indulge in' intomeatioa ; stud the
consequence of' that is,. it liietka out fi,,,firtiine.,
Into riots of some Consequence:. Another portion
of the inhabitants, and ai'very grea-t' proportion,
are the lower class of ilews,t• tirey'ure a sober set
of people in point'of drinking,. but they ate ad-
dicted Co gambling ; and hi consepte"e, of their
indulgence to titat vice, are reduced to great ne-
cessity, and the-consequence of that is roinduce
them to make depredations upon the public. I.
beg leave to observe, that there is an increase of.
,)Giniers of- the siiteenile branch, 'Which Is very
cOintiderahle,- and they arc frequently trained. tip
to inch,.pursuits by their relatives and connexions;
dttfhig the last two years, I think that class at of-
tendert has very much increased. ,

yint think, then, that within these few years
,there has been system carried on to- employ
children in the On:mission of crimes ?.;.--1 am atraid
so have no positive proof of it; but my Mind is
wede up that it is so.
The great Mess of inhabitants within your dis-
trict you describe as persons :pate of the lowest
condition at life ?—The major. part.
Are theirhishits leis dissipated and drunken than
foroierly?l think they are.
Call you stale to the Committee what propose
tiara the public-lionses and Spirit-shops in thai
district beer to the number of houses.il really
cannot ..vith any .degree of accuracy ; I could, tell
the iitaluber that ia contained within the teliwtr.,
Hamlett: there are 1000, and that comprises a
`great txteut of ground.
llnlati menu by public -Ironies, spirit-shops ?
I mean, the general Mass of both : the magistrates
have tor a'great number of years past endeavour-
'ed, as far as was within their power, to lessen the
number of what were termed gin-shops, being iu
themselves contrary to law, and the parties being
liable to penalties by the existing law.
Do you attend as one of the licensing tint-
gistrates when licenses are granted have exe-
cuted the duties of -chairman of that meeting for
the last Seventeen or eighteen years past.
What is your practice when au application is
made to you for the licensing of a, new puhlic-
housel—llie practice is, that a petit iOU for a new
publie-honSe must be presented on the day.that
the public-bathes in the parish where the nee'
house is situated are applied for ; tsit rate petitiptts
rCCeived are taken into oonsideraticiu►sheat,ie
teiltied 'the " adj.iurn6ti day ;" the applicatio us
for reneWali of licenses that have:mit heel) li-
tensed the 'year before are then decided ; the' ap-
plications tor' new houses are personally ekifed
hy. the Magistrates, who upon the spot determitic
whether it is proper that the house shoiati

ecosts.A; -.vlic!her pnbiie eonvcr.itai
(mires a new house, or whether it would be. in-
lotions to the LOttscs in the neighbourticodui treate
new One.
1)1) you ininire into the clutricter of tfi't app.
cant ?----The character of the applicant is out per,-;
',sonally inquired into by t he-Magistrates licensing ;
they are by law compelled to bring a certifiCate
from the parish where the house is situate, signett
by the Overseers and churchwardens.
Do you require t he signatii re of the minister
We do nut especially require that the minister
should sign it, we are us Oell satisfied with the'
signet ue of the chtirchwardens anti overseers,
lbecause we consider we are more likely to have
his conduct specified ; the minister genetally re-
' eeives his information from the Vet& or church-
,
wardens.
it is your opinion that, generally speaking, or
if not generally, it has sometimes happened, that
those signatures on the part of the churchwardens
are mere twitters of form I—l believe so, fre-i
qnently ; and it was upon that principle that the•
Magistrates of the Tower Hamlets sonic
.17 years.
ago thought it right personally: to view every
situation where a newlionse was applied for, that
they themselves might judge. Of its fitness.
Do you recollect whether in tile Itist year, 1815,
you licensed :akin), new..poblie-booses ?—I think
notl,ro the best of my recollection, not above
three orfonr.

Ditl you license pne that was near St. George's
in the last i.—There ,3vas One licensed in that
pavhh.
Perhaps yon may recollect that a. request for a
license was made tile preceding year,
,and was re-
f Used t—Yes, there WO.
Do you know why that license was refused the
preceding year 1-7-1 should consider upon the per-
sOnal view of the MagiStiates, and not considering
it necessary.
If the e tsed it in tie year 1814, why would
you tht 'teY granted it in the year 1813 ?
Theft , ce a 'witty of, causes k there toight
be an increase of inhabitants, or an increase of
buildings.
Dr you, in point of fact, recollect that any err-
eulustances of ;he sort you have mentioned ap-
peitrol in this instance, namely, an increAse of
Inhubitanta, nr au increase of boildings can-
not take uponmySelf.to recollect.
Is there any register,kcpt of the proceedings of
the licensing Magistrates i—Yes ; but in which
there are no reasons asligoed, merely statitsit that
such licenses were retosed, but not stating why
they were refused.
You do riot (hen recollect any particulars upon
this subject 1. do not. ••
Why the license was granttd one year, end re-
fused the preceding do not.
bid it ever come to your knowledge that the
honsehad changed its prooletur tinting that pe-
riod ?--,No, it sled not. -

Diti you know at the time the license *al gtant-
ed who MIS the proprietor I—No, it was the ret-
son whose name %vas contained in the petitioth.
which wits presented.
In point of tact do you, when you licence the
(cruses, inquire who are, the prOrrieturt of them i
Your dl) not then in (las it stance know who
wart the petson 4o.Light theitottst in the
preriedlog. year ?,74.4 shottid he +Cole to ins wet' that
more accurately it it was in:hitt:el net to me tvberc
the house was situate.
is there a house ilh tnat neighbourhood called
the Duke of York ?--`there Inc several houses of
that sign in the lower
,Hantleto.
Do you recollect whether the house in question
bore t that sign.?—No, Ido not, ,
When complaints are made against the conduct
of publicans at thelieensing day, what is therac-
lice of the Magistrates in examining into those
complaints ?-11 is the practice of the Magistrates
at the office I am in, in the entose of the year,
whenever any circumstance occurs of ill Conduct
on the part of the publican, to Make a register of
that conduct, and then to lay before the Magis-
trates, at the re-licensing time, the several emit-
plainid.against the'severalimblicanS.
Is it the practice of you,. who sit. as the Chair-
man of the licensing 41e.gistrates, to consider
those complaints taken 'upon oath hcfctr.e A Ma-
gistrate (whether he is= a Police. Mhtt;istrate or
not). unless rebutted by the defendant, as conclu-
sive evidence against the propriety of his,basing a
license ?—Those complaints arc never token upon
oath, 'and they arNe from a personal view of the
conduct of the publicans, in some case that they
have, violated the law laid down 'for their ob-
servance.

But in vise evidence was offered to you, that
came from arty Magistrate,:which 'lntl appeared
upon oath, or i‘tiy record of. conviction, .should
you not consider' such -evidence of such miscon-
duct as conclusive against the propriety of grant-
ing the license.: ?---Yes.:

go be continued.]

, PCLtCE INTELLIGESCE.

BOW-STREET:

On Nronday night William Stanfurd +9.shrottelit
to the ()thee in custody of the con,tables of Drury-
lane 'theatre, chttrged with having tlirown u
pewter*piot pot from the one shglitig gEttliry into
the pit, during the representatiOn of the play of
Othello.

liam Gibbs, one of the coOstab!es, stated,
that.,he ‘viis hi the one shilling gallery, and
stood near the prisoner; be was in `cot#ersation
with one of the fruit women, 'and tliey 'seemed
to be in dispute) he had a pint put In his
and all on a sudden he gave it a j:rk, and-thretV
completely over the two shilling gallery into' the
middle of..the pit. He immediately, triok bold or
him and, took irirn to the (Ace, and: went biek to
the pit to see who had been hurt. lie soon re
t tailed with a Mrs. ©beer .
nories ; she;
had her band tiressedi and .more a sling.
Cooper stated,' ilial Site was sitting in the,
pit, near the center, And sliddthly received an
violetit blow on die right hand with the pewter pot
produced, which then fell on the floor ; she felt
considerable pain and went out, and had It'er band
dresOil. She was confi4eot that the put fast
have been thrown tome distance, from the .violente

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with whleli it strnet aLC CIO 40A,
but it came from the gallery.
The fruit woman. who %vas to co'n7ci.4tion with
the priifiner at the time, attended, and stated, th
She lakti served the prisontr with a pint of port,,,
and he was iliipUting with her tibti;it the price,
and suddenly w the .pot over inth the pit ,
she called to the constable, and he was secured.
The prisoner beiug called upon for his deleirt';
said, that the woman %vat:R.4! Ito make him ptiy
five pence for the pint of beer, and that the poF.
MI from his band in the dispute; that he W. 4
ri
carpenter by trade, and Worked for Mr. litdlocli,
at the Mona Marble Works in Oxford-street ; that
be had it wife and family, and lodged at the:'.:;;'
of-Nails public-house, at Pimlico,
Mr. Rae attended on the part of the '1 heat;'
and stated, that it was impossible that the plc.
could have gone so far as from the one
gallery to the pit, without having been throwli
with great force, and that for the safety of the;
public, he should request the Magistrate to 100
him in 'custody for the night, especially as he tvtis
rather in liquor. lie was accordingly sent to tba
tratch-Loose, anityestetday morning he expreisol
great contrition for his misbehaviour, and in'P"
wised never, to ()fiend again, and tl;e Magiitrste
(Mr. Biatsue) with the consent of Mr. s't
him at liberty, as it turned out, on inquiry,
he, was an industrious peaceable man. Thc l'"
was bent almost double with the fall.
wortsmP-sTitEET.
• Yesterday Philip and Chas. Freud, twobrothers,
who stood charged with foiging and utterl4
untotleesr,wPeuntr arZtighetro ehxets(i'itt.ittliale Bankt'i(i.l!t %v(E) per) li
attended to prefer charges • against them, Wor
swore positively to their .persons, but in cotOe!
quence of an intimation unit mons other trades-
'men, who had receiveil nOtes from the prisoners:l
were to come forward, they were again reB"'dc
tor further examination,

GUILDHALL.
Yesterday a boy, natnetl..l3urlie, more doll
six years of age, 'was Charged with assiulting
infant child of three years old, whom he beat
sotlreadrtil a wly that the life olthe, latter 4."
endangered. The cause of this violeace arose' ,
is supposed, from some offence taken by the Y"`"g
prisoner, at which his passiOn became so 1141('.
vernable as to induce him, to commit the vitr
knee with which he was chart!ed. Was re.
mandetl.until the 'state of the child be asccetaiord.
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YtsteMay Charles hamlet, a itali of colour, tr.)
1
lived as Se; 'vatic with Charles 1-lay Cameron, FA.
of gss.ei-colitt.. Temple, was examined'
charged with feloniously stealing a 51. 13;111k 1104'1'
out ot h4x in the prosecutor's bett-i clout, whic4
it discovered be bad got changed the sail
(toy non: Mr. Hill,
,the landlord of the
,611 it' 1;
rei.,!, at Charing-crosi. 'The note was 'protlncel,s,
and identised, and the pri,oner was couunitiaa
for trial.
IX•tiur.s.rs.—.Vestertlar an inquest wtts held ti!
the Bells, lied Lion-street, St. Georges,
3. W. w E.g. on the btkly'Ot Charl•:s.ro"?....
lain, with, ti'ith other's, on ?fonts.,} wevl,
tee afternoon, was in a !")(•
tievriug.a rowing 10;A:di, ‘vi)t Cot decc,o't'd (".:`,‘;
was only vine }e7l:-. getting 1)11' 11::
of. iteligt,ter fell into ii.e ones
His irtfty f4)411:;1 reVert!ity 10040
Accident3;tv
,dro
A"tner ivtinest held by the. ,hthe Gotootr,
the sign ot. Cle Gun, Shorediteh, 01. the bog!). ()..
Jfilitt itch., %vim' fotinil drowncil if.
n
pond (tear Cambridoe )Heath. Vartlict:—.." FO"1/'
drowned." - ' C tin!
DHlVlNG.—Anotlier instance O. •
Cl 4
11'1 1(10,15 accidents by till...oils tiriyink; 0":11"tio.
yt St e r day afternoon, about three o'om
Green rfral'r°43t the t Sti
tc:c y 041);.'°1:1111,116e.:
passengers were hurt • four of bstud i'elitatisico*(lll::',sl:,4','
si tai•
that they were conveyed to Zit. Genrge'l ten
Yesterday morning as a young nolo, #ervii,!l!,tif
Mr. Phllips, Hacknqi•road, tiding a sP":;rie
horse in Old-street. by *owe moans the I' cc
startled, and he was Ottawa off with -such for
that his leg wits.brOkett.
YeAtertlay ,morning a genteel dressed V(11:4
man was lomat' (4.6„,„ed, with his
_legs aino•
in _a small reservoir in Lord Corctitty's g3rdg P
Piccadilly. •
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French fruits now ,arrive pretty reg"aari;e. o,
Covent-garden market, Packed wosig 1'
4'
uF
rn*dt of oak, ingeniously 'split into a
thin Labs.

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F.sq. Of a Ina. • 11...
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UrVtlAtrin, E3ll. tiie Ilea. E. 1. C.
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Ott thr :Seth *eptemher, at Worthing, the Lad(
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