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London, England, 1811-02-16 00:00:00

this, at he.had tnaele infinities as to this saluect on
the last days,. of the late Session, and nothing had
then I;een done.
Lord AiiVoCaTE Of SCOTLAND moved for leave to
bring in a Bill for the renewal of the Scotch Batik..
rupt Act. ,
Mr. Rosa said, that as it was advisable that every
facility tor information should he reordtvd relative
to the. sonjed of the BullioeCommi:tee Report, he
Would move 14 a variety of ti.rpeiS :. 'ad Account
of the gold in the country boween the Ist of De
cember, 1773, and the Ist nt.December, 1798, pi-
tinguishinaas Much as. porcsible 'roves from coin :
an Aceount of Baok.of England Notes in circulation
from 9th March, 1809, to the present lime: an Ac-
ceani of the highest 'lumber or' Bank Notts in the
Excheema fr in 9th Match, 1809 to the pretent
time : all ASX0t1111: Of the. coin imported i o to this
collo; ry, exclusive of Ireland, (torn I atto to i 8 10,
no.it inclesive: Copies of any Leiters wthtell to.the
Secra,n) of the Tie:usury relative to the exportation
of coio, bet weep '7B'2 and 1783.
Mr. Ca KEVIIN said that before the House should
resalic it,; ft into a Committee of Supply, be wished '
to call their attention to what he conceived an into- '
Icrable grievance, in the manner in which the busi-
ness of Parliament was carried on, and that 'Was,
that it frequently happened that grants of money
took place at hours when the House was almost
empty.. This was in some degree intt...parable from
the. great debatiue which took place on important
questirgs°, which left little time fin- the Con-
sideration of the business of the 'louse, but it was
also in a great measure attlibutable to, the Mizister.
The, time allotted for the business of the country was
perpetually diintnishing ; every Se.sion 'was shorter
than the former; and since the Cline of the fin on
with Ireland, whew tat busier:Bs had necessarily
Increasi d, the period for conduaing it had,been % cr y
much curtailetL 'Ter Minister ciao braig forward a
grant of any sum at ill hours of the ni,io, for the
ounce of the grant is in general made under so very
atub.igunus a sate, that it is hardly possible• fOr any
Imam hula:fry to conjeonie its tenure, and thereby,
if necessar)°, step its taw (ere'. In the few observa-
, lions which he had to make on this subjed,he v
only take notice of a gi.ua made in the last Sesiioil
of Parliament, ofone. rodlion and a half to the ,EOl6l
India 0.14111)011y. This grain was delayed till it was
absolutely necessary to occopv each day with im-
portant bAsiness. No important atop of that Bill
took place before one o'clock. At one tone lie had
found seven notices in the book, the last of which
would not be made before one one o'clock ; and the
Bill was ()pea fifty Orders of the Day. He had
long endeaoured in vain to extricate this 'subjeil
from the mass of businesa in which it was buried;
till al lei:, on t,e, third reading, by an aceident
;:iris; tx.rt of , :a: uotal. course 01 proceeding, he found
the subject brouThi on at half-past four eiclock, be-
fine a Ho se, which to every person po:;sessed of
any knoe,,lcd,a.: mid experietice of Parliament, must
h:,,,,, ;,,i1.,.:1., ~.i ,Er e,ttd for the express purpose, for
it coniistt,,l,altuost entircly.ol the Directois of the
'-. t India company, and their sersalliN. This, lie
COLO elided, was art intolerable grievaoce, when a
grant of one million and a half of motley was
to be made, that the Minister -.should select his
own-supporters, and take his own time, when it
could meet with no.opposition. He then adverted
to the way in which the Minister chose to notice
I any grant in the Order-book, by classing it lirriong
the Miscellaneous notices of Supply. As an illus..
tration of the manner in which the Mietister could
make this wily of proceeding sub erViera' to his own
views, he would ad,ert to grants of 6000 i. one td
Lord Glenbervie, and another to Lard Auckland:—
Why was -that fact concealed from the Horse ?--...
Why was it conceived to' be ddietent front other
services ? In what was was it proper to form part
of
.the act of appropriation ? Sonic measures should
be adopted on this subject to, fix tire limits between
use and abuse. He would state the nature or this
kraut. The fact is, that it was a stale demand of
no lass than seven years. standing, raused by that
Adininistratioe who were best entitled to judge of
its justice, as well as by the,onceeeding Admintstra.
tat. It was aistottiahing that. business of'this ea-
ture should be put otr till the end of the Session.—
'lf grauts be made in a Committee of Sopply,.. aU
the Members may have an oppottunity of diseusiO.
ing them. There was a monstrous grievance, too,
attached to the grania of publai Money, natnZ,ly„ the
tees p id to. the Tellers of the -Exchequer, LordS
Auekland and Camden; and he could see no reason
. why these, pretended freeholds should be antlually
increased at the expeoce of Oa public. As an in-
stance of the monstrous power w tech Ministers pos-
sess by this act of appropriation, he alluded to the
caw of Mr. .Palmer, whose claim's, though Banc-
tioaed by Parliament, were annually defeated by the
manoeuvres of the Minister. He whhed that some
measures Should be adopted for the regulation of
this important subject, that some Committee should
be appointed to take it into consideration, by which
means some standing order might be adopted by
the House, in consequence whereof the business of
the House would go on at stated periods, known 'to
every Member. . . .
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUIdIt wanted to
know, whether the Honourable Gentleman was
giving notice of a variety of tnotiuns which he was
about to submit to the House; or whether be was
giving notice of a motion_ that he biota:ll (Mr. Per
ceval) was to bring forward; or whether he was
determined to redeem the neglect of which he bad
been guilty in the last Session, by giving early no-
tice of his application in the present ? lie was will.
ing enough to listen to any measures that could be
suggested hir regulating the business cis the House;
but Wliect: wits the necessity for the angry tone
Which the Honourable Gen'leman had thought pro-
per to adopt this evening, in treating of the subject ?
Ail the irregularity of which he complains, he thinks
applicable. to his Majesty's Ministers, who hive the
power, he thinks, to bring lot ward airy business,
et any' hour of r he daror night they please. ' "roe
11,,n. Guntlelioti's instance; however, affords the
best contritktion to his argument, as tie wiAnd
afterwards ex ol:tin. The truth is, dial it is 1101 111
the power of Ministela to stare id what i.okir Of toe
day any bushiest; shall be brought for WM-dr 1(11,11 the
o.4e:tice of i'st!ittb,ls taking. op 111,, lime of lie
Hunse ivith
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becomes impossible to bring on the business at the
appointed time. The House would recoiled that
the business of last Session was su.great, that it. was
the general understanding, that' on certain days
Orders should have precedence, and on other days
Notices should precede. At an early period of this
Session he would stibmit some notice to the House
on the subject. When be. noticed it las/ Session, '
the House was very much impressed with the ins
;convenience ot the existing Mode, and scented to
think that no inconvenience would: result ftem the
proposed distribution of the business of the House.
Having Said this notch on the general., point, he
would text .advett to a certain kind of complaint of
the flon—Gentleman, ot the power' of Ministers
with regard to the Supply, fiow not giving a parti;".
re:liar notice of t..*4elt wi,cellalleOUS set viceol which
means they WIC it ttr\ their power to obtain grants
for persons in suoserviency to their iiews. He in-
stanced the gram to Lord Glenbervie and Lord
Auckland, which lie Conceived to be x concealed
piece of patronage to Members ot Parliament; He
would beg leave shortly to call the ietention of the
House to thisAnbject., When
,this grant as first
proposed, from a wilt expressed by some Members
of the House, to inquire mote particularly into the
nature of it, it was agreed to be postponed. He
would ask the iliitt,•ti if m the giants ot M .ntuerial
serf-ices--if any (liisletitan say 4, give me an °poor-
tuoity to inquire into such or such a r articular, gitts.,
me an opportunity' of discessing it while aunt er
penal) may be present, it was not the usual practice
to accede 10 the r-qi:c,t, unless some very pressing
. circumstance tna.!e tt necessary to press it torward ?
IJvrli then, fme% er, it,is theprattice.to gike part
votes rprrespunding to the nature of the extency.
Hon. Gentleman can haye Iv) cause 01 cot».
theri.tote, agaipst Government, or tattier
against the House, on- this subject. He" has etY
opportunilyatiordtal him for considering ally mea-
sure which may (laim tits attention. He may hist
consider it in Life Cuuttlit,ee of SUpplY, and again;
wiJen the Report of the Committee is .brought
tore the House. There are other opportunities for
expunging and dimini•hing, and for doing every.
thing, except enlarging. Including the Report and
the third reading, there are In all live stages when
any measure may be :.,ken into consideration ; so
that it was not fair in the Hon. Gentleman to stet:,
as he did, that he had nit opportunity for considera-
tion ; and Irons his manner of speaking, persons
tinacquatmed with the riusiness of the House, would
imagine that the whole was discussed in one vote.
In the particular case 19 which he alluded, that of
a grant made to two Members of ParlFamem,
Lords Cslenbervie and Auckland—Lord Gls-Ms.:l-
- be believed, was a Member of Parliam,:nt
at the time ts hen his contra& was entered into,
but he had cc:l-ea to be Ia Parliament B:tlee
the Duke of Pottland was' called to 'the Atkin,
nistration. When Lord Glenbervie wag, in Par-
liament, the Hon. Goo tleman tnie,ln hate more
(oh) it for imputing the grant to his Vote; but he
was hardly seairanted in ...tying so now That lie was
out of Parliament. And with respen tonic, otlu r
Member, Lard Auckland, does the Hon. Gentle-
man really believe that he could act from the
inu-
lives which the.Hoo. Gentleman wishes us tO
pose ? Does he really think that that Nible Lord
would lay himself open to such a charge? Or, does
he think .that that Noble Lord, by hi, condob since,
has in any manner shewn that he was tinder on.-%ie
influence ? And this is the itistarice -which the Hon,
Gentleman thinks fit to seledof a grant to a Mem-:
her of Parlimntint. Really his a:goment si ems to
be woridettnily sepported by his ease: He says the
grant was rt,,,tittwd by pteceding Adminiiirations,
lie knew not by what Adniinistration it was"re-
teased, hut he knew by whit Administration it was
agreed to, and only prevented from being carried
into etiect by their removal
,frow power.!---Vo
flow the Oppo.iiliun.) llrt distitily stated to the
House that his iolotmation that the Admini-
stration hid) had preceded.the present had agreed
to the demand. Notwithstanding this wns stated to
him, he would' not, nevertheless, have brlitglo for-
ward the.grant had he toot himself been convinced
of it justice, but he might well be allowed to be for.
titied in his deterniination by striih a statement, He
alluded to the case of Mr. Palmer. He sad he con-
ceived that great improper, and considered that it
wart open to him to object to its impropriety, and' to
prevent its being earned into execution. He would
next week, he said, give entice at some arranger tits
which he should pres.ent to the House, for the pur-
pose of ohviatiog the inconvemencies in conducting
- the public business.

LOrd ,Fouts-roNe. said, that any Member of this
House was at liberty to paint out any inconvenience
or
_irregularity .in the way of :carrying on the
public busibe4s ; anti he thought his lion. Friend
(Mr. CteeVey) had pointed out soine of these incoe-
veniences; The Right Hun. Gentleman said, that
be WAS nut aware whether the Hon. Member who
preceded him meant his speech to be a notice of
motion, or whether he sneak that he should him-
self bring forward a motion ; and then he stated,,
that he aid recoiled that he had promised a motion
on the subieti, The Right Hon. Gentleman next
-thought lit to complain of the angry tone adopted
by his Honourable Friend ; but be submitted to the
House which might with most propriety be called
an angry tone—that of his Honontlible'Friend, or
that of the Right Hon. Gentlemmt. The Hon.
Member was well aequAnted with the.business
of
the House; and.he would ask, if the observations
he had imade were at all atorwered by the Right
Hon,. Gentleman ? He would take upon him to
titate what was well knnwn, that great inconve-
nience was !tilt from the 4,oay. in which the public
business Was Conducted ; and that it was next to
impossible for those who were not connected, with
the Minister, and who might-Wish to give an inde-
pendent vote, _to attend to any I:.itticular measure.
He had hilm,elt experienced Oil this aubjed, and he
had heaid many other MeMbers 1:-equently declare,
that Whenever they napp,.thed to b.; anxious lbuut
any particular mea,*ure, that it was sure to pass at a
UutC w hen they might happen to go out. The case
brought tor w by the kionotiraL,k Member was
a very good nvatti.e,ol this It is well known 11111
last bus.stOtt tier' iitna on tl.l
six
o'clock, aud thet p4rticu%tr boineis wss hurried
.throuzli at twit -past four., With respect to the