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London, England, 1842-05-21 00:00:00

COLONIAL PASSENGERS BILL

Lord STANLEY moved the farther consideration of the
Report on this Bill.
Mr. HAWS was understood to ask for the postponement
of the Bill for a short time.

Lord STANLEY said that as notice had been given on the
subject, and as it was essential that the Bill should be passed
with as little delay as possible, he could not consent to its post -
ponement. There was no objection to the Bill except one clause.
Mr. HAWES said, that he would take the opportunity of
moving that the clause be s• ruck out, when the Bill was again
under consideration.
Mr. WAKI.EY said, that the manner in which the Orders
of the Day were taken was very inconvenient. He should,
therefore, suggest, that the Orders shoul.‘ be put in the paper,
in the suceession in which they were to be taken. With regard
to the Bill of the Noble Lord, the only ohjectionable clause
related to the Hill Coolies He thought the subject should he
made one of separate legislation, and not be introduced into the
Bill before the House. _ .

Lord STANLEY said, th?t the objectionable clause gave no
new powers whatever.
Sir R. PEEL said it was his wish to anticipate what had
fallen from the Hon. Member for Finsbury, with regard tf)
the succession in which the orders were to be brought under
consideration. He thought it was generally understood that.
the Ordnance and Navy Estimates should be gist gone
through, and that these, •ogeti,er with the l'o!onial Passenge. s'
Act., would afford business enough for the evening. Thil
not usually make such progress as they did tl-night, and he
thought that the three subjects he m••ntioned would he suffi-
cient. He was however agreeably disappointed, and he would
take care in future to provide six or seven orders.—( A laugh. )
The amendments were then agreed to, and the Bill ordered
to be read a third timeon Friday next.
PENTONVILLE PRISON BILL.
On the motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM this Bill was
read a third time. The Right Hon. Gentleman said that he
perceived the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath wished for
a separate system of punishment. and he would have an oppor-
tunity of stating his opinions on a future occasion.
Mr. ROEBUCK expressed himself satisfied.
THE AUSTRALIAN NEW ZEALAND BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
THE EXCISE DUTIES COMPOUND BILL.
This Bill wai read a third time and passed.
ROASTED MALT BILL.

Mr. GREENE brought up the Report on the Roasted ➢lalt
Bill, which was ordered to be received.
THE INC UMBENTS'.. LEA SING (No. 2) BILL.

On the motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM, the House re-
solved itself into Committee on this bill; Mr. GREEN& in the
chair. _ _

The whole of the clauses were agreed to, and the Report was
ordered to be brought up on Monday. The House then
resumed.

ECCLESIASTICAL CORPORATIONS LEASING

(No. 2) BILL.
On the motion of Sir J. GRAHAM, the House went into
Committee on this Bill, and after a few words from Sir J.
GRAHAM,
Mr. HAWES said, if he understood the provisions of this
Bill they were about to give an increased value to Church pro-
perty, and they were on the eve of converting that intaa fund
for the benefit of the Church. They were now in a situation
not only of largely increasing the value of Church property.
but of making a large grant of pubic money for Church Ex
tension. The House might past it, and the Right Hon. Baronet
might bring in such measures based on Conservative grounds,
but he must say, that it would give great discontent out of
doors. On behalf of a large class out of that !louse, he did say
that the Church had enough already for all-spiritual purposes,
and in as gmenting it he wag, sure they were not adding to its
.spiritual welfare. In the presont state of the House, he would
tot vetinfre'to' take up the timed the House, but he thought it
his duty to express-his protest against the Bill.
-Sir. GRAHAM explained, but in so low a tone of voice.
as to be inaudibly.

sad he wished to know whether the ineum-.
Vela' derived any benefit from this law, and what was the differ
fence betwerneorporations aggregate, and corporations sole.
Sir J. GRAHAM said—With respect to corporations ag--
gregate, Parliament had come to an arrangement, and fixed the
amount of charge on each individual, limiting the amount to
be drawn trom the funds.' In ,corporations sole, the apptopria=
Lion should be for the life of the inculibent The corporatidrl•
sole should hats 'the ptivree. of grading leases of ninely-nine
years. And as the individuals emstituting the corpora, ion de-
rived no benefit from the charge, so, on the other hand, in the
corporationi sole, the incumbent would derive great bmefit.
Mr. HA WES said, he understood then that a be nefieed clergy-
man; who might hold more livings than one. would have the
value of his livings increased, and would t,e benefited ; but the
Dean and Chapter, suppose they leased property under this Bill,
would receive very small advantages. Why should tir•se incum-
bents, many of whom had large incomes, receive this great ad-
vantage, VI hilst the Dean anti Chapter received none?
Mr. ROEBUCK could not see why, in one ease, property de-
voted to certain purposes, should be sacredly anti religious ap-
propriated to that elapse, and that in another case it should he
devoted to a very different purpose. He thought that corpora-
tions, aggregate and sole, should be placed on the same footing.
SirJ AMES GRA HAM explained,
Lord J. MANNERS thought the Bill introduced tty the
Government was founded en very just and right principles.
Mr. BROTH ERTON thought that the Bill was intended
to do that by one general Aci, whigh had hitherto always been
effected by several private tolls. It would enable persons who
professed a great deal for the Church, to alienate the property
of the Church for their own individual intere,ts.

Mr. SHAW said that. it was not-fair for the Hon. Member
for Lambeth to refer to the Appropittion Clause, which, in a
former Bill, the Noble Lord who introduced that Bill (Lord
Stanley) had abandoned.
Mr. HAWES denied that the clause had been voluntarily
abandoned by the Noble Lord who had carried the Bill
through this House, having a proviso that the increased value
of Church property should be carried to the credit of the Con •
solidated Fund, and be applied to State purposes.
Lord STANLEY thought that the Bill did not go through
this House in the form which the Hon. Member for Lambeth
represented. As well as he remembered, the facts were
these: when he ( Lord S.) found on the disccussion in the second
reading of th-t, Bill nine years ago, that the construction
put upon the Appropriation Muse by both sides of the House
was, that it was the first step to the alienation of ecclesiastical
property from ecclesiastical purposes, he withdrew the elau.,e,
declaring that he would not be a party to any such alienation.
Mr. WAKLEY had been sick enough of the Irish
Church Bills. But he would ask was the House pre-
pared to say that every improvement in the value of Church
property shall go to benefit the incumbent only? He had no
objection to increase the income of those who were insuffi-
ciently paid ; but when they were going to make a law that
would enornously increase the value of Church property, was
it right that they should give all the advantage to the incum-
bent, and nothing to the Church or to the congregation? He
hoped the House would not allow such a Bill to be pressed
through a Committee so small. He trusted, therefore, that
the Right Hon. Baronet would consent to the Chairman's re-
porting progress and asking leave to sit again.
Sir J. GRAHAM could not conceive how any objection
could be raised against the clauses of this Bill, which was only
to enable land to be let for building what could not now be so
let. If Hon. Gentlemen held objections to the principle of the
Bill, they might make their objections on bringing up the. Re •
port, or at the third reading. He would not take any step
either for the bringing up of the Report or for the third, read-
ing, without giving ample notice.
The Bill then went through Committee ; the Report to be
brought up this day fortnight.

LAW OF MERCHANTS ACT.
On the motion that the Speaker leave the Chair, to go into
a Committee on this Bill,
Mr. GLADSTONE said that this BM was not now intro-
duced for the first time ; it was founded on the representa.
tions of the leading merchants both of the metropolis and Li-
verpool, and it was intended to give effect to a series of changes
that had been introduced into mercantile practice, and to meet
the growing wants ot their commerce. In the words of the
preamble it was intended to give security and validity to a,4-
vances on goods and merchandi,e. It was also intended
to give greater security to sate' by agents, as
against principals, and to remove various restrictions
imposed by the present law. The present law ttid not allow of
advances on the ground of possession of the goods only, but en
the possession of documents, such as bills of lading, entitling to
the property of the goods. The present law prof to give
the agent possessing the goods, the same facilities as the agent
possessing the papers and documents. It would afro assimi-
late the law
highly desirable to give these additional facilities, and he did
of thfs country to that of other nations. It was
not think that it could at all tend to render frauds more easy
on the part of the agent. Hethelieved that there would be no
objection made to the Bill, considering the support it had re-
ceived out of doors.
The House then went into Committee on the Bill, and the
two first clauses were agreed to.
Mr. W. ELLIS asked whether the words " bona fide ad-
vance" applied to a money payment?
Mr. GLADSTONE did not think the Bill would tend to in-
troduce any doubt or uncertainty.
Mr. ROEBUCK thenght this was so strictly a legal Bill,
that it would be of great advantage if the Lavi Officers of the
Crown would give their Opinion on it.
The Bill went through Committee—Report on Monday neat.

BRIBERY PREVENTION BILL.
Mr. ROEBUCK, in moving the first reading of the Bill,
said that it had come from the Lords ; and, although he did
not abandon the Bill which he had himself propo:ed to in-
troduce, he believed that the present measure, with the addi-
tion of a few amendments, would answer his object.
The Bill was then read a first time, and was ordered to be
read a second time on Monday next.
Sir .1. GRAHAM obtained leave to bring in a Bill to amend
the Acts ler the Commutation of Tithes.in England, do eon-
tinue the ofEeers appointed under the said Acts for a time.
The Right Hon. Baronet said that the alterations he proposed
to introduce related espe'cially to the jurisdiction of the Tithe
Commissioners, and certain conflicts respecting costs. He
would adopt the remedy suggested in the Report of the Com-
missioners.
The CHANCELLOR' of the EXCHEQUER moved for
a C tee to inquire into the effect upon the trade in spirits