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SUPPLY.

The House then resolved itself into a Committee of
Supply, for the purpose of considering the Miscellaneous
Estimates.

Mr. HERRIES moved that the sum of 17,250/. be
granted to his Majesty to defray the Retired Allowances
and Superannuation Pensions for Public Officers.

Mr. HUME objected to these grants of pensions to pub-
lic officers after certain years of service; one of them, a
pension to a person only 27 years of age, for seven years'
service, was highly extravagant. No matter how small such
sums might be, they were founded on a bad system, and he
was convinced they would be obliged to repeal the Bill for
granting pensions, which had been passed five years ago,
and put public servants in the same situation as they were
before. Such Bills as these had given occasion for the
continuance of the five millions dead weight which pressed
too heavily upon the public. He expected the Right Hon.
Gentleman would now redeem some of the pledges given
by:the Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretay of the
Admiralty, in 1822, and adopt some means by which
every person discharged from one department of Govern-
ment may be called upon to serve in another as soon as a

♦acancy occurs, instead of being pensioned off as at present,
according to the date of his service. After some observa-
tions upon the great expence of pensioning off those persons
who had been employed in the Auditors' and Examiners'
Offiees, the Hon. Gentleman concluded by recommending
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to allow the Committee
on the State of the Finances a power of calling before them
every person who had received a pension, in order to ascer-
tain how far their services can be rendered available in the
different branches of the public service.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
Upon the next Resolution of 14,9701. to the use of
those Milanese and Corsican Emigrauta Who have per-

formed services or sustained lodes in the rause of this
country,
Mr. HUME asked if any new names had been added to
the list since last year ?
Mr. HERRIES replied in the negative. 'f he grant was
1514. less.
The Resolution was agreed to.
Upon the Vote of 3,0001. to the National Vaccine Esta-
blishment,
Sir JOSEPH YORKE said, that the Institution might
be one of three things—good, bad, br indilerent. This
institution he considered so very indifferent, that although
the inventor had received 20,000/. as a reward, he thought
that so far from doing any good, he had left the disease ite
bad as ever. He stated the other night, that his own eon
and daughter had both taken the small-pox severely, after
being inoculate I according to the new system and he had
stated at the same time, as one of the ivort of the evils,
that persons, after being inoculated in tha manner, were
not prepared to receive the contagion of thesmall-pox, and
therefore riot treated with the degree of sconce necessary
to their recovery. He wished to bring up ome of the ad-
mirers of the art, in order to have an expination of these
matters ; for his part, he thought it was allmere humbug ;
for even when the skin was stripped off, die beauty was
not preserved.-:--(A laugh.)
tOlOnel WOOD was sorry to hear a dscovery, which
'•ad been productive of so much benefit tc mankind, cha-
ractei;sed as a failure. Some failures thee might have
been, but were there not as many in the mall-pox itself ?
He was aware of the strength of prejudice ,trkig the lower
orders, and he therefore regretted the Hsi. Member's ob-
servations; for if they were to ge forth a the world, the
poorer classes might see reason to be diinclined to avail
themselves of what he considered a greatnational benefit.
When it was considered, that the small-pa, upon calcula-
tion, infected at least one person, beside to person diseas-
ed, in every case, he thought they could not estimate too
highly the advantages of the discovery.
Mr. PEEL was sorry that the Gallant Admiral hail ap-
plied his powers of ridicule and sarcasn to this subject.
It might he, that there were some cases of failure ; but
he was convinced, that, if they were iivestigated, they
would be foun-d of no importance whttever. It was
probable, as perhaps it had keppenecl in the case of the
Gallant Admiral, that some of these fatares arose from
the ignorance of practitioners in the country, who did
net know how to perform the operation. It was of
the utmost importance that nothing vhich passed i❑
.that House should countenance the preudice which still
existed in some parts of the country aginst vaccination ;
and that it should be steadily and perseveringly circulated,
that if vaccination did not absolutely prevent the occur-
rence of small-pox, it very considerablyabated the viru-
lence of small-pox whenever it did occur.
Sir C. BURRELL expressed his firm ..onvii:eion, that
if all medical men had acted upon principle on this sub-
ject, the small-pox would have been entirely eradicated
long ago. Unfortunately, however, there were in the
medical, as or other professions, sordid men, who, for
their own purposes, maintained that whet' they knew to
he erroneous.
Mr. HUM observed, that the occasional failure of vac-
cination in securing the object for which it was practised
was inevitable, and could by no means la considered as a
reasonable objection to the practice. Hoy many instances
were there of persons who, having been inoculated with
small-pox, 'afterwards took that disorder in the natural
way ? Much depended on the peculiar construction of in-
dividuals. It was not above seven weeks since he had
been requested by a party of gentlemen, who had well con-
sidered the subject, to introduce a Bill into the House to
prevent inoculation with small-pox altogether, unless the
children on whom it was to be performed, were removed
to some pest-house, whence the infection could not be com-
municated. He really wished that his Majesty's Govern-
ment would take this exceedingly important subject into
their consideration. It was but recently that a person re-
siding in a court in the Strand, having a prepossession
against vaccination, insisted on having her child inoculated
with the small-pox. The consequence was, that fourteen
children in the same court took the disorder naturally, and
died.—(Hear, hear. )—The Quarantine Laws were passed
to protect the country from the infection of the plague;
but why not have laws to protect the country from a dis-
order which was fully as mischievous and infectious ? No
person should be aflowed to inoculate a child with email-
pox, unless that child were previously removed from all
communication with other human beings. He trusted the
subject would meet with the most serious consideration of
his Majesty's Government.
Sir J. YORKE said, he understood that vaccination was
a security for six or seven years, but not longer; and ad-
verted to persons who, having been vaccinated when one or
two years old, took the small-pox when twenty yeara of age.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
On the Resolution being moved by Mr. HERRIES, to
grant a sum not exceeding 40001. in aid of the Refuge for
the Destitute,
Mr. HUME said, that he considered that the object for
which this Institution had been established had failed ; and
principally in consequence of the public grants which had
been made to it, the consequence of which always was to
deaden private bounty and exertion.
Dr. LUSHINGTON maintained the utility of the Institu-
tion, and lamented that it could not be rendered more exten-
sively beneficial. In consequence of the public grant, the re-
commendations of the Judges, of Magistrates, &c. were at-
tended to ; which, of course, narrowed the power of the
Institution in other channels. Every Wednesday, which
was the day fixed for• admission, nineteen out of twenty of
the applicants were unavoidably rejected ; and yet, at least
ten out of the nineteen came completely within the rules
and regulations of the Institution. But although the
power of the Institution was much too limited, it did
great good as far as it went. It was well known that
crime had recently greatly increased in the Metropolis ;
the eastern parts of which especially were in a deplora-
ble condition, and stood in the greatest need of correc-
tion and amendment. He was perfectly satisfied that
such Institutions as that the grant to which was now under
consideration would be highly beneficial to the country.
Mr. PEEL admitted the benefits resulting from this In-
stitution; but approved of the reduction which had been
made in the estimate from five to four• thousand pounds.
He thought some reduction might be very advantageously
made in the expence of the Institution ; especially as it re-
spected the masters, &c. The object of the Institution was
unquestionably laudable, and its establishment had con-
ferred great benefit on society. Whether or• not similar In-
stitutions might be advantageously established by his Ma-
jesty's Government for the temporary reception of those
who, having suffered imprisonment in consequence of the
sentence of the law, were unable to obtain employment, it
was for his Right Hon. Friend who had succeeded him in
his official situation to consider. He must certainly concur
with the Hon. Member for Aberdeen in saying that the ef-
fect of voting public money in aid of any Institution was
inevitably to check private contributions to it. Some time
ago he had been requested to propose a public grant in aid
of a Penitentiary in the county of Surrey. But he had
declined doing so, because he knew it would then be said
by those who would otherwise have contributed to the In-
stitution, that there was a long purse to draw upon ; and
that their private exertions were no longer necessary.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said he did not mean to
deny that the object of this institution was a good one, but
then the expence of it was extravagantly great, and it was
at his motion that the grant of money was reduced.—
He thought that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Dr.
Lushington) was mistaken with respect to this institution,
and that the observations which he had made might tend
to Mislead the House. He denied that the objects of the
charity were well chosen ; and as to the attending to the
recommendations of magistrates, he could assure the House
that while be was Chief Magistrate he had had an oppor-
tunity of making several suggestions as to persons whom
he knew to be proper objects, and that those suggestions
had not been attended to. But the expence was the prin-
cipal thing of which ho had to complain. The expenses
of the institution amounted to more than 10,000/. per an-
nu►n, or, in other words, to between 601. and 701. a bead.
Would it not be better• for the Government to have an in-
stitution of their own, which could be carried on at far less
expense, and accommodate far mere persons ? He bad
moved for the accounts of the society, and would call the
attention of the House to one or• two items in them. In
the year 1820 there was no less than 7901. charged for
repairs, and more than 500/. for the different masters. In
1821 the repairs and alterations amounted to 9431. In
1822, the repairs amounted to 1,024/. In 1822, the
repairs amounted to 1,164/. In 1824, the repairs again
amounted to 1,2071. ; and in 1825 they amounted to
1,8351. The charges for the masters were as extrava-
gant as those for repairs ; and lie must contend, that no
accounts could ever exhibit a more flagrant waste of public
money than these did. During the whole of the time that
he filled the office of chief magistrate he could only succeed
in getting one individual into the institution, and it was
under these circumstances young men came before
him, who declared that they were tired, and that they re-
pented of the vicious course which they had been pursuing.
One of them, who was ill, he sent to the hospital, and en-
deavoured to get the other into the Refuge for the Desti-
tute ; but the answer given was—that he was not quali-
fied. The consequence was, that this young man re-
lapsed into his former courses, and being detected, he (Mr.
Alderman Waithman) received a letter from him begging
him to intercede for him with the committee of the Refuge
for the Destitute, 13 be was now, unhappily, qttahAed for

admittance. He also sent a girl to them on one occasion,
and they requested that he would write a letter to them
recommending her. He saw very well what the drift
of this proceeding was : it was for the purpose of making a
display at their annual dinner by petting down "one, two,
or three, received on the recommendation of the Lord
Mayor. This girl they kept for a few nights, and then
turned her out again ; and when he remonstrated,
_he was
told, first, that she was not so bad as the others, and that
they had no means of making a distinction in the places in
which they Mee kept. This objection got over, they
raised another, which was, that she was "not penitent
enough: so that, in point of fact, she was too good for
them, and yet not good enough. He begged to be distinctly
understood as meaning to throw no imputation on the ho-
nourablp characters connected with the institution : he be-
lieved that the business was principally transacted by secre-
taries, and that they knew nothing about the matter.
He should not press the matter now; but his impression
was, that the grant ought to be cut down to half its pre-
sent amount.
Mr. HUME said, that it was not only to the amount
that he objected, but to the principle of voting public
money in such cases. For the future lie should oppose the
grant.

Mr. BERNAL said, that although this was a private
charity, it ought to be recollected that it had a great
public object in view, and had, therefore, superior claims
to the attention of the House.
Mr. WARBURTON said, that the principle upon which
all institutions of this nature ought to be founded, was the
probability of permanent employment afterwards. This
was not the case in this institution ; and on that ground,
therefore, rather than on account of the expense, he should
oppose the grant for the future. He hoped that Govern-
ment would pause before they took the fatal step of holding
out temptation to crime, by affording a certain place of re-
fuge to characters of the very worst description.
Mr. PALLIER (Surrey) objected to the mode of har-
bouring criminals in the Refuge for the Destitute, who
were afterwards discharged without character, or a single
resource, and generally returned to their former habits of
vice and crime, until at last they were sent out of the coun-
try altogether, at an enormous expense.
After a few words from Mr. CHRISTOPHER SMITH, the
vote was carried.
The suns of 5,2001. was then proposed and agreed to for
the relief of American loyalists for the year 1827.
The vote of 3,4221. was also agreed to, to defray the ex-
pense of confining and maintaining criminal lunatics for the
year 1827.
On the vote of 5,912/. for paying the usual allowances
to Protestant Dissenting Ministers in England, poor French
Protestant refugee clergy, poor French Protestant refugee
laity, and sundry small and other allowances to the poor of
St. Martin's-in-the-Fields,
Mr. HUME objected to the vote, because he considered
it unnecessary to continue the allowance to the French
clergy and laity, who might now return without hindrance
to their own country, and had no right to remain a burden
on this.
Mr. /TERRIES defended the grant, and said, that the
fund was under the immediate control of nine persons of
different religious persuasions, who were totally uninflu-
enced by personal motives in its distribution. The Hon.
Gentleman then read the names of the nine persons by
whom the grant was applied, and concluded by assuring
the Hon. Member (Mr. Hume), that every care should
be taken that the persons on the list for relief should
die as speedily as possible.—(A laugh.)—The Hon.
Member should recollect that the present vote was 2001.
less than last year.
Sir C. FORBES said a few words in support of the 11
grant.

Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS spoke in favour of the Scotch
Dissenters : after which the vote was agreed to.
On the next resolution, that the sum of 53,0001., clear
of fees anti deductions, be voted for his Majesty's foreign
and other secret services for the year 1827,
Mr. HUME objected to the continuance of this vote,
now that we had no connexion with the Holy Alliance,
and were in fact at peace with Europe. He appealed to
the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Canning) to put
an end to such war.ton and unnecessary expenditure of the
public money.
Mr. CANNING denied that the sum now proposed was
disposed of in the way to which the Hon. Member had re-
ferred. 10,0001. of the sum mentioned went to his Ma-
jesty's Treasury ; and he assured the Hon. Gentleman
that no one was more anxious than he was to reduce, as
far as reduction was advisable, every vote which was pro-
posed. The Hon. Gentleman would see, ,by comparing
the present with the vote of last year, that a reduction of
5,0001. had been made.—(Hear.)
The resolution was then, agreed to, as was also the vote
of 80,000/., to, defray the expence of printing Acts of Par-
liament, bills, reports, and other papers for the two
Houses of Parliament for the year 1827.
On the resolution that the sum of 7,5001. he granted to
defray the expence for printing under the direction of the
Commissioners of Public Records, for the year 1827,
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the public records,
for the publication of which a commission bad been issued
some years since, were in a state of forwardness ?
Mr. WYNN was not aware whether the Hon. Gentle-
man directed his inquiry to the English histories, the re-
cords of which were in progress, or to the other records,
which were also in a state of forwardness. According to
the last report from that very able and efficient person, Mr.
Lemon, of the State Paper Office, five folio volumes of the
English histories would very shortly be ready for the
press. The Hon. Member should take into consideration
the very great difficulty that attended compilations of this
description—The Resolution was then agreed to.
The sum of 95,9901. were then voted as the probable
expense of providing stationery, printing, and binding, for
the several public departments of Government for the year
1827, including the Stationery office.
On the resolution being proposed, to grant the sum of
50,0001. to defray the extras rdinary expenses of the Mint
in the gold coinage for 1927,
Mr. HUME wished to know why this vote was so much
larger than last year ?
Mr. HERRIES said, that last year the sum proposed for
this estimate was only 31,000/. and the actual expense was
42,000/. It was necessary to make good the deficiency, by
carrying it over to the proposed sum.
The resolution was then agreed to.
The sum of 20,3431. was then proposed on account of
the loss and expences in the recoinage of the Irish silver to-
kens, and the Irish copper coin, for the year 1827.
Mr. HUME wished to know if the Irish bank tokens
were as yet called in ?
Mr. HERRIES replied in the affirmative ; and the re-
solution was agreed to.
The vote of 5,0001. to defray the extraordinary expences
that may be incurred for prosecutions, &0., relating to the
coin of this kingdom, for the year 1827, was also agreed to.
The sum of 19,628/. was then proposed, and agreed to,
to defray the extraordinary expenses in the department of
the Lord Chamberlain of his Majesty's househobl, for fittings
and furniture to the two Houses of Parliament; and also,
the sum of 12,0001., to defray the expense of law charges
for 1827.
On resolution that the sum of 112,7461. he granted
to defray
'ytathreexpenee attending the confining, maintaining,
and employing convicts at home and at Bermuda, for the
year 1827,

Air. I-11.1-AIE wished to know the number of convicts at
home, and also the number at Bermuda.
Mr. HERMES said that the convicts amounted to
3,400, and the number of prisoners confined at home was
8,500. The latter were supported at the rate of 6d. per
diem, excepting 100, who cost the country about la. each.

Mr. Secretary BOURNE said, that the convicts were
sent to their destination at the charge of about 5/. per head.
The resolution was agreed to.

The sum of 30,0001.vwas then proposed, to pay bills
drawn from abroad by his Majesty's governors and others
for the expenses incurred for the abolition of the slave trade,
and in conformity to the orders in council of the 16th of
March, 1808, and the 11th of July, 1817, for the support,
&c., of captured negroes, free American settlers, &c., for
the year 1827.

Mr. BERNAL, in allusion to the colony of Sierra Leone,
said, that the most gross mismanagement and want of
common sense had been displayed in the conducting the
affairs of that colony. He conceived that the Hoc 3 was
bonnd not to agree to this vote as long as the report respect-
ing the affairs of Sierra Leone was delayed to be acted
upon. A great many valuable suggestions were, he was
assured, contained in that report, and much valuable infor-
mation on the affairs of the colony might he gathered from
a variety of pamphlets that were published on the subject.
It was disgraceful to see the wanton and extravagant waste
of money in supporting a colony, the climate of which was
so destructive to Europeans. When he looked hack a few
years, and saw what a dreadful havoc death had maths in
that colony, he was really astonished to think that Govern-
ment should call year after year for enormous sums of money
to maintain it. So destructive was the climate, that it
was actually an act of suicide for any man voluntarily to
proceed to Sierra Leone. Was it not a fact that the offi-
cers were daily falling victims to that pernicious plan,
dropping off like branches of a tree ? A gallant officer
(General Turner) had lately fallen a victim to the climate,
and a portion of his family was also affected by it. The
African corps stationed there were all dying of disease, in
consequence of the pernicious habit of drinking new rum,
aided by the dreadful clipate, The liou, Gentleman cvu•

eluded by observing, that the House and the Country should
no longer be humbugged, he begged pardon for using such
a vulgar word,—but he hoped the House would pause before
it passed the vote which was now before it.
Mr. WILMOT HORTON deprecated the mode by which
the Hon. Gentleman had thought fit to oppose the pre-
sent resolution. The House must be aware, and the Hon.
Gent. himself should know, that the present vote must
be passed, otherwise the affairs of the colony of Sierra
Leone could not go on. That there might be difficulties
in the management of that colony, he did not mean to
deny, but he conceived that a discussion such as the Hon.
Gentleman had commenced was not the most effectual way
to end them. With respect to the Gallant Officer who was
now no more, no man could regret his loss more than he
(Mr. Horton); at the same time it could not be de-
nied that the Gallant Individual himself had often spoken
of the colony in favourable terms. It was not altogether
fair to forestall a discussion relative to the affairs of

this colony, and he hoped the Honourable Gentle-
man would see the propriety of waiting until the sub-
ject should come fairly before the House, when the report
of the state of the colony should be laid upon the table,
which he hoped would he at no very distant period.
Mr. HUME hoped that the House would not wait for
the report, which had already been too long delayed. It
was no time, he conceived, to talk of delay, while such a
lamentable loss of life was daily occurring.
Mr. CANNING could assure the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Hume), that, whatever might be the result of the inquiry
which Government had instituted with respect to this
colony, no means should be left untried to better its con-
dition, and to act upon whatever hints for improvement
the report might suggest.
On the resolution that the sum of 18,0001. be voted to
pay the salaries and incidental expenses of the Commis-
missioners appointed on the part of his Majesty, under the
treaties with Spain, Portugal, and the Netherlands, for
preventing the illegal traffic in slaves,
Mr. HUME objected to this grant, and said it was time

that it should be discontinued. - The Right Hon. Gentle-
man had ample opportunity of putting a timely check to
votes of this description; and the country expected that he
would do so.
Mr. CANNING could assure the Hon. Gentleman that

no man could wish for retrenchment more than himself.—
The Hon. Gentleman must, however, be aware that this
vote was sanctioned by an Act of Parliament, and the Go-
vernment had no other opinion than to ask the House for
the amount of the estimate.
After a few words from Mr. HUME, the motion was
agreed to.
On the next resolution, that a sum not exceeding
50,0001. be granted for the expenses of missions and spe-
cial commissions to the New States of America, in the
year 1627,
Mr. HUME paid, that this was a very enormous sum;
the whole of the expense of our diplomatic missions this
year (including the proposed grant) would amount to
491,0001., which was too much in the present state of
the country. Some reduction he thought ought to he made.
Mr. CANNING said, that the vote before the Com-

mittee was 10,000/. less than the sum voted last year.—
Hon. Members might think the sums granted for missions
to South America very great, hut he could assure them,
that in most cases the sums paid fell considerably sl_tort of
the actual and unavoidable expence of the individuals en-
gaged in this service. He held in his hand extracts from
representations made, not by one but by not less than a
dozen of those so employed, and they all agreed in com-
plaining that the_ sums allowed were much too sinall for
the expenses incident to their station. One gentleman re-
quested that he might be allowed to lay down his office
before he was ruined by the expenses which it entailed on
hint ever and above the salary allowed. Another said
that it was a mistake to suppose that the necessaries of life
were cheap in South America, and described them as much
dearer than in London. A third complained that he was
obliged to pay 500/. a-year for a house, that he was obliged
to have eight servants, whereas three would be sufficient
for a similar establishment in London, and that he was
obliged to pay three times as much to a servant there as he
should have to pay here. _Others complained of extrava-
gant charges in other respects, much beyond what they
could have expected in Europe. Now, if a representation
of this kind was made by only one individual, he might
have thought it was exaggerated ; but it was made by so
many, that the idea of exaggeration was wholly out of the
question. He had felt it his duty to make enquiries on
the subject, and the" result confirmed him in the opinion
that no exaggeration had been made. He could refer to
the papers in his hand, and show several other instances
in which complaints had been made sireilar to those to

which he had already adverted. One gentleman complain-
ed that his salary was not sufficient to support, decently,
a clerk in his office. Another complained that his income
was so scanty that he should be much in debt at the end of
the year, unless it was increased, and begged to be allow-
ed to retire before he became too much involved. Now,
it could not be desired that gentlemen who filled those im-

portant situations should be obliged to return to their
native country ruined in constitution and in fortune. It
was, therefore, necessary that such an allowance should
be given as would prevent them from loss.
Mr. BERNAL observed, that when it was first proposed
to send out missions to the new American States, he had
suggested that the Consuls should not be allowed to engage
in mercantile pursuits, as such a course would not become
the dignity of their stations. It was, lie would therefore
admit, necessary that such a liberal allowance should be made
to them as would prevent the necessity of resorting to com-
mercial transactions. No man, he knew, would willingly
embark for that distant country in those situations without
some prospect of advantage; and though 1,500/. or 1,000/.
a-year might appear large sums, they were not too great
for the extra expenses to which persons in such situations
were liable. At the same time he would suggest, that
such appointments might be filled with a description of
persons who were well qualified for the office, but who
would not expect on their arrival abroad to be put into pos-
session of rich principalities, with splendid mansions, and
the means of giving rich entertainments.
Mr. HUME again objected to the whole amount of those
charges, as being too great for the present state of the
country. If some men did not choose to fill those situa-

tions at 2,0001. a-year, others he knew might be found
who would do the business equally well for 1,0001. a-year.
In this instance, we might take example from the Un►ted
States of North America, whose consuls and diplomatic
agents performed the business of their country at an expense
extremely small compared with what was paid by this
country. He did not wish to point out particular redue_
tions, but he thought that in the present state of the
Country the whole might be reduced to one half.
The motion was then agreed to.
The next resolution was, that a sum not exceeding
100,8701 be granted for salaries and retired allowances to
Consuls in the present year.
Mr. HUME perceived that some gentlemen had received
retired allowances after a few years' service. He thought
that no man ought to be put on the superannuated list who
was still able to hold his office. _ _

Mr. CANNING said, the case to which the Hon. Mem-
ber adverted were those of individuals whose offices had
either been abolished or reduced. Where the office was
abolished, a regular provision was made by Act of Parlia-
ment. In one case to which he had adverted, the indivi-
dual had the offer of the retired allowance, or of continuing
to do the business at half the former salary.
The motion was then agreed to.
The next motion was, that a, sum not exceeding 120,0001.
be granted to meet bills drawn or to be drawn this year from
New South Wales.
Mr. HUME did not see why so large a sum should be
voted until the particular object to-which it was to be ap-
plied was known. He had heard that there was a great
demand for the labour of convicts the moment they were
sent out, and he did not see how so large a sum could be
necessary for Government.
Mr. W. HORTON admitted that many of the convicts
were taken by the settlers, but that it had been found ne-
cessary to have penal settlements for the reformation of a
particular class of convicts. The expence of this would be
considerable for the present, but as the colony continued to
prosper it would be gradually reduced. He should have
no objection to lay on the table the particulars to which
this sum was to be devoted as soon as they could he ob-
tained. He begged leave to state that this sum was
for the expence of convicts alone, and not for the civil go-
vernment. _ _

After a few words from Mr. Hurts, the motion was
agreed to.
The next resolution was for 20,480/. for the expenses of
emigration front the United Kingdom to Canada during
this year.
Mr. HUME thought that the awn already laid oat had
gone much beyond what was intended. He did not see
the necessity of the expense of 10,0001. for surveying the
country.
Mr. W. HORTON said, that the Hon. Member had al-
ways been opposed to emigration, and to every thing that
had been done connected with it. He differed from him,
however, on the subject, and the country would hereafter
find the advantage of the course which was now being pur-
sued. The increase of expense had not arisen from an un-
der estimate in the beg'nning, but from the circumstance
of a greater number of persons being sent wit than was at
first contemplated. He could state, that the persons who
had gone out were going on in a most prosperous manner,
which would appear from the accounts which, in the

course of some time, be would lay on the table. The eV.
pense of the survey was absolutely necessary.
After a few words from Mr. Hums, Mr. CAESSET Pelf
HAM, and Mr. W. Homo N, the motion was agreed to•
The next resolution was, that a sum not exceeding
50,0001. be granted to indemnify the proprietors of slave.
in the United States of America, under a convention re'
=Cy agreed to between the two countries.
Mr. CANNING said, that Hon. Members were aloft
of the nature of the claim made by the American airier 67
ment on this country for the value of slaves taken by 115
during the war. The subject had been left to the arbitra-
tion of the Emperor of Russia. Two millions of dolls°
had been at first demanded ; that was thought too Iliteb''
and it had been reduced two-fifths, so that 1,200,000 ,
•
,lars were taken for the whole. It was considered better
that this sum should be given than to continue the expel°
of the commission of adjustment between the two Stateo.l,
Two hundred thousand dollars had been already voted, and
this was the last vote.
Mr, HUME wished to know whether the Right Hon.
Gentleman could lay upon the table the names of the Peril
claiming indemnity, and the number and class of the slave•
for which they claimed it.
Mr. CANNING thought that after the whole matter
had been settled, the publication of such a list could aessver
no good purpose.
Mr. HUAIE repeated his request. He thought it jai'
portant that the particular amount of each claim shoe
be known.
Mr. CANNING said, that as a compromise had been
made between the two States, by-which each party bad
given up something, it would be difficult to get at the

particular value of the slaves.
Mr. HUSKISSON said, that the question was now be°
tween the individual claimants and their own Government'
to whom the sum had been paid in full satisfaction for all
the claims.

The motion was then agreed to.
The next resolution was, that a sum not exceeding
3,040/. be granted for defraying the civil establishmentsw,
the Bahama Islands.—Agreed to.
The next resolution was, that 10,6451. be granted for
the civil establishments of Nova Scotia.
11r. HUME objected to this country being called upe
to pay the civil establishments of those Colonies.
thought they ought to defray these expeuces themselves.
Mr. W. HORTON said, it was not so easy a matter to
get the colonists to consent to that.
Mr. HUME (across the table).—Then stop the supPY'
Mr. W. MORTON said, it was a very easy matter for '
Hon. Members to get up in that House and say, stop th.l
supplies, but if the whole salaries of the officers of the eivl
establishment were stopped, the business of the colony
could not go on. They must consider their colonies,
they were worth keeping at all, as being worthy 01:rthet
support and . protection of the mother country. !Vex
year an opportunity would be afforded for considering the-
subjects more its detail. It would then be proper that 41
House should be made acquainted with the revenue exT
resources of Nova Scotia, &c., and the manner in which
they had been applied. This, he conceived, would be $
much better mode of proceeding, than that of melting
sweeping reductions without proper inquiry. He ad"
mitted, that if the thing were practicable, the expense
should fall on the colonies ; but the question ought to bie
maturely considered before such a step was taken; I"
therefore, he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would suffer the
present motion to pass.
Colonel DAVIES observed, that the expense incurred
on account of the colonies involved a question of the 1111
important nature. He had, some years ago, stated, that
when the Cape of Good Hope was in the hands of the
Dutch, General Daendels Made that colony support itself •
He maintained a garrison of 3,000 men, and had besides
money in the treasury. He should be glad to know whir
the same thing could not be done now. The fact 'wet
that there appeared to be a sort of fatality connected with
the government of the British colonies. They were alwaY"
a burden to the mother country.
Mr. W. HORTON denied that the statement of the
Gallant Officer was correct. He admitted that the Bios-
tion of the colonial establishments ought to be properly in-
vestigated ; the functions' of the persons in power there
ought to be considered ; and, in proportion to the inspert.
ance of these functions, their remuneration ought to be sPci
portioned. With that view it was that commissioners ba
been sent out to the Cape. If gentlemen did not wait for
the labours of those commissioners, they could not arrive at
any satisfactory conclusion.
Mr. HUME said, it was the duty of Government, at the
present moment, to save every single-shilling that *el
practicable; and therefore Ministers ought to state to ea
colony their decided determination to expend no more 10-
ney for such purposes as these after the present year...
After a few words froro Sir C. Foams, the motion was
agreed to.
The sum of 5,100/. was voted for defraying the charge.
of the civil and military establishments at New Brunswick,
for the current year; 4,0001. for the civil and indite*:
establishments of Bermuda; and 2,820/. for the civil On
military establishments of Prince Edward's Island.
jog the
A vote of 12,461/. was next proposed for defray
civil and military establishments of Newfoundland.
Mr. HUME wished to know, whether, since an altera-
tion had been made in the situation of this colony, any
the
get
count had been rendered of the produce arising from
tsale'of land, and of its application ? f
Mr. W. HORTON answered, that under the Act
Parliament, such produce was carried over to the Cense'''.
dated Fund.
Mr. HUME said, the proper course would be, to have
.&
debtor and creditor account, and if, after the expenses of
Government were paid, there happened to be any surPle_Ae'
such surplus should be laid out on the colony, and not add!'
to the Consolidated Fund.
The motion was agreed to.
The sum of 13,874/. 2s. Bd. was voted to defray °lf
Civil and Military Establishments at Sierra Leone ; 310
lie. Bd. for the Civil and Military Establiehments'
on the
Gold Cost; and 2,4421. 10s. to defray certain colonial elc-
pensee formerly charged on the Army Extraordinsries. •
The next vote was the 16,1821. to defray the expense
the Propagation of the Gospel in certain colonies.
Mr. HUME objected to this item on the ground that,
in some instances, that of Canada for instance, the 101:
reserved ought to produce sufficient to meet the clergrnee -
charge.
Mr. W. HORTON stated, that the land reserved vise
insufficient for the purpose. It was not all of the most cte:
!Liable quality, and the want of population prevented t"; .
progress of cultivation. If it were desirable to keep 0P
church establishment in the country that had been allude
to, then he was sure that, if gentlemen would look to the
details, they would find that the object could not be effect-
ed for lees than the sum proposed. to
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said, with reference d
the Canada Company, that lands had been sold, and offered
for sale, at 361. per share. He should like to know re„_ue
the Company paid to the Government. Either the Li
vernment had made money by this transaction, or gro;
delusion had been practised on the public, to wheal t
land had been represented as of the best description.
lien
Mr. W. HORTON said, that the shares in queStri.e
were connected with the very best class of land ; but
;d
mere quality of the soil was not the only thing to be le
to. In a country where there was even an indefinite (110
tity of fertile land, but no population, the value
land could not be great.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said, it was strange that
at one moment this land should be described as worth 0-
thing, and the next, that it should be extolled for its fer;..,:,
tin t), with this addition, that it was useless, on accourit..!.
the want of population. Now, if there were no poplt
tion, what necessity did there exist for a clerical establish'
ment ?—(Hear.)—He thought it would be better if GO'
vernment itself took into its hands those plans of emigre;
tion, instead of intrusting them to companies. Questfief,i
could then be asked in that House, and information Ing"
be obtained, which, as the system was now carried ee?
could not be arrived at.
Mr. HUME observed, that the Hon. Member for Taunt'
ton had on a former occasion stated, that in the eeleejoi
assembly of Upper Canada, there were only two person.
the Protestant persuasion, and yet a stnn of 3,7001. `lt
peered to be charged for the support of that chureln
was monstrous to call for such grants to support the C 174
of England in a place where that church did not, in,
exist. In the whole United States of Americas, the old
vernment did not pay 100/,' for a church establishment,i.,o
yet he believed there was as much religion there as e

in Upper or Lower Canada.
Lord BINNING was anxious that due instruction ob°"nitir
be provided for Canada by England ; because, in default -
such, he understood that teachers were in the habit 01 re:
sorting to that country from the United States ; and WL'it
ever might be the nature of the religious doctrine Welt
those persons imparted to their pupils, it was not very
that politically they would point out to them the usceesill
of any particular allegiance to their lawful Goverolnen
(Near, bear.)
Mr. WILMOT HORTON denied that Milliliter!) e
Wr.be
provided for any tract of country, the population of Wh'
waA
on
s not such as to demand their assistanee. weer'
cversation then took place at some length bet
r
,
11Ir. H. Drummond, Sir C. Forbes, Mr. Warburton, 0.._
Estcourt, Lord Sandon Mr. Hume,
Mr. W. Horton, e
Scrope Morland, Lord Milton, and Sir C. Wetherell, itt
which the vote was carried. Atte
On the next vote of 56,0001. for Inproving the IV

communication between Montreal and Lower Canada, being
moved,
Mr. VINE said, that the le of Englan had no more to do with improving
thepeo copmmunicationd between
Montreal and Lower Canada than they had with the build-
ing the wall of China.
Mr. W. HORTON defended the grant, which he said
was not for the Wellan or Niagara Canals. The money
granted in aid of the Wellan Canal had been given upon
condition that the parties who were undertaking that work
for commercial purposes, should carry it through upon a
scale more extended, which should render it available also
for military operations. For that canal no vote would be
taken in the present year; and the present vote was for the
Purpose peculiarly of establishing means of military com-
munication between the Canadas, the want of which had
occasioned great expense and inconvenience in the course of
the last war. The vote was founded upon the report of
the military commission which had been sent out to Canada,
and the work was sanctioned by the opinion of the first
authorities in this country.
Mr. HUME thought it was throwing away money to
1a Mr.
out large suins in military works in the Canadas, when
those Colonies must, in the nature of things, in a very
short tine be independent, or at least cease to be under the
controul of this country.
Mr. W. WHITMORE reminded the House of the great
difficulty which the country had at the present moment
in meeting its own expences, without paying away large
",1115 of money to improve the defences of distant Colo-
es, which we had little ground to believe would ever be
of any material advantage to us. He hoped that the Com-
mittee which vras to be appointed next year, would put a
Stop to these Canada grants altogether.
Mr. HUSKISSON said, unless the House was prepared
to grant the vote now called for, and several farther votes
for the same purpose, it would be better that the country
Should know what it was about, and give up the Canadas
altogether. Now this was a course which seemed very ex-
pedient to the Honourable Member opposite (Mr. Hume) ;
but he must not suppose that he carried the country at all
with him in his feeling; and surely, in any case, if such
a course was to be discussed, it would be right and ne-
cessary to discuss it directly and specifically, and not upon
a question kep as to voting the annual supplies. While we
t the Canadas, at least, we ought to remember, that
rained a million of British subjects, who were
not to con
be cast off suddenly, and were entitled to our pro-
tection; and unless we meant to surrender the colonies in
cage "any attack, or to defend them to an immense disad-
vantage, we ought to put them in a proper state of strength
anti eans, before any such attack was made. The object of
the present vote was to remedy a difficulty which had ex-
r, us M danger and expenxe in the last war with the
d ntedStates, and would be likely, unless provided against, to
,hO-1° again- The moment any quarrel broke out between
eountryand the United States, the latter had the power
of taking
euectuagy
such a position u on the river St. Lawrence, as
nada,. ,to cut off our emnpmunicat'ion between the two CA-
c, 2 tne present grant was for part of the expellee of a
Supply
which (independent of the St. Lawrence) was to
cPPIy that communication. The plan had been proposed
"Y the military commission sent out to Canada, and, was
attirOVed by the Duke of Wellington ; and it was ce
itat to encounter a single campaign without its assistance,
p-ie°tuilocin!ut the country to more expence than its entire corn-
th C. PELHAM said a few words, which did not reach
gallery.
I Mr.
111J.ME decidedly still objected to the grant ; at
jreast, utile% an estimate of the whole expence of the work
°P°leti Were laid' upon the table. The Duke of Port-
bealld had once put the country to 7,000,000/. fared f
rILI about Dover, which were afterwards declared to
2113 Utterly useless. It was too much to be granting large
/ for the support of Canada, when the legislature of
that
pubii:42,ny refused to furnish a single shilling towards the
W. mince.
not HORTON said, that the whole estimate could
ti- be produced at that moment ; but the work was sane-
°tied t buic Yhe first engineers, and by the opinions of. the
v,,,nie,,0 Wellington; and certainly while we did retain the
"aa• which he apprehended the Hon. Gentleman did
he rneao at once to abandon, it was right we should take
ZPraPer precaution for their defence.
gun ' 4Alderman WAITHMAN thought that the reports
be (le'lll'veYs should be frrnished, and that the vote should
the
11,..aotesed. for some time till the estimates were before
Sir R
0f bra °BERT WILSON observed, that in the opinion
114 t;e4itie al men qualified to form a judgment (nil. the.
°Petjee' canal was absolutely necessary for mi Italy
se.e.atTua, especially since America had adopted the mea-
the 44e had. The canal, when completed, would reduce
ikrnount of force required in Canada several thousands.
of the III/ME said that the estimate of the whole expence
Air, ea,"l was what the House wanted.
"USKISSON admitted that if the estimate of the
teppv°holZPense had not been laid before the House, as he
ttalty i dit hail, it ought to be done. There was no diffi-
"eta "c'mg it. With respect to the plan itself, it had
rilingfe °,l),.ted after other"plans had been examined, as af-
doeul.„l"e best and most economical defence. As to the
he NT,' required by the Hon. Alderman (Waithman),
Nuitiat see the inconvenience of furnishing them, as they
Aii'lll/3°l'v the weakness of our frontier.
4, L., ":1141E gave notice, that when the Report came
kr- 17;431dd take the sense of the House on this vote.
:Zed. beset'4l4l3UßTON observed, that the canal consti-
unly of the plan, the whole expense of which
old laid before the House.:
Sir Ety,,,
for its de"-'f iv ARD OWEN remarked, that Canada looked
• ltl. t etice to this country.
W. HARVEY said, that the House ought to be
non of the full outside expense of the undertaking,
and till th
klbject. bat was done, no opinion could be given upon the
44.
Pass;
~`-'BIUSSON asked only that the vote should. now
oliaitiaben"le fore the report was agreed to, the estimates
'om upon the table.
pro,ii:viiilrieeszotlZegn was then agreed to.
Was 49,000/. for defraying the e
New
South j stores for the Engineer Department h
barges of
4infgzi for"tablese
eci)it `for
Dieman's Land ; bedding and clot -
clothing and tools for the liberated
ishiecaush wat Sierra Leone; and Indian presents for Canada;
rues agreed to.
202 7r," 'PALMERSTON then moved, that the sum of
eh ;...46/.._ he granted to his Majesty, for defraying the
144 6eB of the disembodied militia of Great Britain and
aricl4l4;. aferitfew words from Colonel DAvIEs
The Ctr.Mr, was agreed to.
.44 nrderedainnan then reported progress, and the report
he received to-morrow.
130 the COVENTRY ELECTION.
ceede4 t motion of Sir J. WROTTESLIY, the House pro-
tettio the consideration of the report of
14,..nve:tralittee. the Coventry
Poring e NES (we believe) declared his intention of op-
kt, n'easure contemplated by the Hon. Baronet.
cousid
'ootdd be erable hesitation as to whether the report
considered or postponed,
'e thetio;-'t
.observed, that at that late hour (II o'clock)
eaPecia important a question should not be discussed,
it would many Members had left the House, supposing
had bettef°at have, been brought forward. • The discussion
The ' be postponed, and take place at an earlier hour.
e subject was at length fixed for Tuesday, 22d of May.
S kis? consideration of the Lords' Amendments of the
siurgi.lt!,ll‘ Bill was postponed till Thursday.
° f Supply;":e
brought up the Report of the Committee
The House Ltilh:vnaa read and agreed to.
cilia' Settlements (seeWzrito a Committee en the Pero-
The Bill passed thro ) Bill.
ri.i‘rought up, and orderengd tot: Committee, the report was
Friday next. taken into consideration on
The Salmon Fisheries tin w
rseoniruittee up staire. Re
petitio
as re-committed to a Select
h • h as
of various
hefore the House, to be referred to
the n 8
ua Committees on
and returns laid
.The Fraudulent Debtors' Bill "me Committee.
aturd time, and passed. (Scotlatid) 'wee read a
otl; • •
Ro_ et Orders of
the Day were dispoaed or and
"ae adjourned at a Quarter before One o'Clock' the
TIIL MAR

KETS.—(THIS DAY.)
rue.%
= MARKETS (Load of 36 T
.)
2vp. JAsl.lr£ S.
4. a. £. 8.
. a. 42. ..
krland Mead.liay 3 15 to 4 15 Clover Hay ......... . 4 15 to 7 01
Ryas Ditto ...... 415 6 0 Oat Straw ........... 118 2
3414.44. Hay .. . 415 6 0 Wheat Ditto .... . 2 2 2
emo- 8.? per Toad lower than laat quoted; prictilitoil.4*
,k.:nticli
trad% , and clover Hay Stationary. Supply rather 11
_ ,q. the whole, dull.
3MITHFIELD.
16Mand 4' s• X• g• X. a.
11111,104 tead.llay3 15 to 4 15 Cloy. Hay generally 4 15 to 6 !9
Ryel_
i, jao Ha y 4 15 510 Oat extra fine. ..... 9
_9 !_l_,
Newtl4f74crowYii.;; 3 1 B'B ?,listl•atTi.z: . ,-:,-; 113 ; 1
-uppiy good, trade dull, and Prises aa on ..........
~ MA. CANNING AND THE Xs.
" I'Ll Wager," cries Eldon, " the worth of the seals
:c ‘c That his Grace is not saleable, dear though he fe;ls."
„P'e cautious," cries Canning, "do'nt be such a ninny,
i 4 Carl go to the Strand, and get two for a Guine"
,„.": The beet WELLINGTON'S that can be made are note
tell at ON% GUINEA the Pair, by SALE and Co., 33i,
krinlind.
i

LONDON,
TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 15, 1827.

The Paris Papers of Saturday with the Etoilc
dated Sunday morning reached us last night, but
they do not contain one word of political intelli-
gence which can be relied on. The Etoile
copies from the Echo du Midi a 'contradiction
of the reports of a new aggression by Spain on
Portugal, and asserts that tranquillity still exists.
Changes in the position of the troops in Gallicia
are said to have given rise to the reports in cir-
culation.

Extracts of these papers will be found in
another column, and we subjoin the price of the
Funds on Saturday evening :•••
FRENCH FUNDS...--PA Rig,
MAY 12.-... Five per Cents.
loot 45e. 40c. 85c. 40c. ; Three per Cents. 70f. 40c.
30c. 25c. ; Bank Stock, 2,025 f. ; Rentes de Naples
78f. 77f. 95c. 70c. ; Royal Spanish Loan, 56k j. Ex-
change on London—One month, 25f. 40c. ; Tbree months,
25f. 25c.

By the Sir Edward Banks steam packet,
which arrived yesterday from Hamburgh in 52
hours, we received Hamburgh Papers to the 12th
inst. They do not furnish us, however, with
any intelligence of importance. The statement
which is made in them that LORD COCHRANE
and his family had arrived at Hamburgh is evi-
dently a confusion of names.

EXCHINGES ON LONDON.-Hamburgh, May 11, 36
11 ; two months, 36 84—Stockholm, May 4, 75 days,
12 46—Christiania, May 3, three months S., 6 14—Leip-
big, May 7, three months, 6 16I—Berlin, May 8, three
months, 6 27i.

Mr. CANNING gave in the House of Com-
mons, last night, an unqualified contradiction to
the rumours which have been in circulation for
some days, of the intention to have a large crea-
tion of Peers. We sincerely rejoice that there
is no foundation for such reports, because, al-
though we deprecate the interference which Mr.
HUME would wish to make with the power of
the Crown to confer the Peerages—a power
which Mr. CANNING very properly described as
" the most splendid prerogative of the Sovereign,
and the most splendid reward to which a subject
could aspire,"—still we are of opinion that no-
thing tends to bring this Prerogative into disre-
pute, nor to lessen the estimation of the value
of the honour, in the minds of the people, so
much as the wholesale disposal of titles for
political or rather IVlinisterial purposes. Our
objection, therefore, to making what is commonly
called a Batch of Peers is not founded on the
view which Mr. HUME took of the subject,
namely, the want of sufficient fortune in posses-
sion of the persons sail to be about to be en-
nobled, but against the principle of conferring,
as the price of political subserviency, that which,
generally speaking, ought to be reserved for emi-
nent service done to the Sovereign or the State.
If, however, a departure from this principle
would be ever justifiable, the present factious
opposition which is made to Mr. CANNING'S

Government, in the House of Peers, might afford
sufficient ground for it.
It appears likewise to us to be far from de-
sirable that all the wealthiest individuals in the
Kingdom should be Peers. The security of the
State lies in that happy distribution. of property
in each class of Society, which prevents any one
being the envy of the rest.

We alluded in our Paper of Saturday to a
Parliamentary Return which had been- printed
relative to the Unredeemed Funded Debt, by
which it appeared that the total amount thereof
had increased between sth January, 1819, and sth
January, 1826, to the extent of 61,646,8361.
This, however, is altogether a fallacy, and
chews how completely facts may be perverted or
misrepresented, by the terms in which informa-
tion/ is called for. The wordS of the precept
under which the statement in question was pre-
pared, were considered to render it imperative to
include in the total amount of the Unredeemed
Funded Debt, the computed value of the whole
annuity of 2,800,0001. assigned to the Commis-
sioners of Naval and Military Pensions, whereas
of that 2,800,090/. of annuity, 585,0001. per ann.
only has actually been disposed of, the value of
which consequently alone ought• to be reckoned
as unredeemed debt. The remainder of that
annuity, viz. 2,215,000/. probably never will be
sold : at all events, as it has not been yet sold,
its value can no more be considered as debt than
the sum which it may fetch can be, reckoned as
money in the Exchequer. If, therefore, the
value of this remaining unsold part of the total
annuity of 2,800,000/. (which we contend now,
as we did some months ago, ought never to have
been considered as debt,) be abated from the
total present amount of unfunded debt, we
shall find that the increase of the latter since
1819, has only been 3,607,552/. instead of
61,646,836/. This will be evident by reference
to the Returns, which shew that the total esti-
mated value of the whole annuity of 2,800,000/.
is 74,632,0511. The value of that part which
has been sold is 15,592,767/. ; leaving the
value of that part of it which has not been sold
58,039,284/., which, as before said, having been
improperly, though, perhaps, necessarily accord-
ing to the words of the precept, included in the
Return of Unredeemed Funded Debt, ought to be
abated from the amount thereof, which will shew
the increase to have been 3,607,5521. only.
The amount of Unfunded Debt ought also to
have been included in the same return, to give a
fair view of the subject. During the same pe-
riod a great diminution of that part of the debt
was made, its amount being, on sth January,
1819, 43,655,4001., and, on sth January,
1826, 24,565,850/.

The Nuremburgh Correspondent of the 7th
inst., and the Allgenaeine Zeitung of the Bth,
have been received this morning. The King of
PRUSSIA has issued his commands against any
further emigration into Poland from Stettin, and
other parts, where a spirit of emigration had ma-
nifested itself to go to Poland, from a represen-
tation that more comforts were to be enjoyed
there than at home. His MAJESTY has assured
them that such was not the case :

MAYENCY, MAY 3.

His Highness Prince Schwartsenberg passed through
this city yesterday, on his way from London, with des-
patches for Vienna, whither he is gone with the news of the
formation of the new English Ministry. •

VIENNA, MAY 90 7-16; Bank
Shares, 1096.

By a vessel arrived from Rio de Janeiro at
Guernsey, that sailed on 12th March, it is cbn-
fidently stated that in consequence of the :capture
of an American vessel, under aggravating circum-
stances, the Minister from the United States
at Brazil, had demanded his passports.--
From the same source we learn that a report
of a battle on the Rio Grande frontier had
taken place between the Buenos Ayreans and
the Imperial forces, in which the latter were de-
feated with the loss of 1,500 men, and had re-
treated. Admiral BROWN, it is also said, has
captured eighteen brigs and gun-boats belonging
to the Brazilian naval force.

In our Paper of yesterday, by some accident,
the words Morning Paper were not affixed to a
paragraph which makes some comments on the
Marquis of CHANDOS' being a Candidate for
admission to the Pitt Club. Our contemporary
says—" We thought this folly had been at an
end." Now, if this is intended to offer anything
like disrespect to the memory of Mr. PITT, we
solemnly protest against subscribing to such a sen-
timent. We cherish the memory of that great states-
man with a respect little short of veneration ; and
when we compare our condition as a nation,
with that of the rest of Europe, on which the
hurricane of the French Revolution has left its in-
delible traces, we feel no
ordinary glow of affection
towards the illustrious individual who was instru-
mental in fulfilling that decree of Providence by
which we were exempted from a demoralization,
frightful in the extreme, and to which our na-
tional debt, and our taxes, are not once to be
compared.

With the present principles of the Pitt Club
we have nothing to do. They have turned into
an Orange Club, that which was established in
compliment to the memory of one who gave un-
deniable proofs of his sincere attachment to the
cause of Catholic Emancipation ; and therefore
we shall never scruple to censure the conduct of
his pretended admirers, when advocating prin-
ciples so diametrically opposed to Mr. PITT'S.

The private letters from Jamaica, by the packet, come
up to the 9th of April. They contain miserable accounts
of the crop of that island, which is considered as only
about two-thirds of an -average one. At Demerara not
so much complaint is made, but at St. Vincent's, out of
80,000 hogsheads of sugar, usually made, not more than
2,000 was expected to be exported. The same accounts
apply to the other West India Islands, and the vessels
would have great difficulty to find freight, and would be
extremely late this season.
Charleston Papers to the 14th ult. have been received at
the North and South American Coffee House, but their
contents are chiefly of a local nature, and do not supply
any political intelligence.
Private letters received this morning from Paris, state
that some severe fighting has taken place in the neighbour••
hood of Athens, in which the Greeks had the advantage.
Lord Cochrane has declared, that if the dissensions between
the Greek Chiefs do not subside he will leave them to their
fate. Mialus has joined his Lordship.

Senhor Ribero, Doctor of Laws, who married
the niece of Bolivar, arrived in London yesterday morning•
It is not known whether this visit is connected with any
political immure.

THE FUNDS-(THIS DAY).

CITY, Twelve o' Clock.

The English Funds remained all the morning without
any life or spirit, and from the commencement of business
to the present hour scarcely any transaction or variation
has taken place, the first price of Consols being 83 j, both
for money and account, and 83,3, i for July account, which
is the same rate at which they are now quoted. India
Bonds are 75 7 ; Exchequer Bills have improved to 48 9
pm. This being settling day in the Foreign Funds the
chief employment of the Brokers and speculators has been
in squaring accounts ; Colombian Bonds are, however,
heavy, being 314- ; Mexican seem to sympathise with the
former, and are dull at 681 9 ; Brazilian are also out of
demand and flat, being 60 ; Peruvian, notwithstanding
the news received yesterday, maintain their price, and are
quoted at 30 1. Shares remain as usual, very dull, and
no transactions have taken place worth mentioning, in the
mean time prices are still on the decline.
FonEtoy.—Brazilian, 60 1 ; Buenos Ayres, 57 8 ;
Mien, 31 3 ; Colombian, 311 2 ; Danish, 611 1;
Greek, 16 I; Mexican, Five per Cent., 561 71 ; Ditto 6 per
Cent., 68/. 9; Peruvian, 30 1 ; Portuguese, 771 8;
Russian, 901 1 ; *Spanish; 121 3.
MINES.-Anglo Mexican, 4440 dis. ; Brazilian, 21 11
dis. ; Colombian, 10 12 per Share ; Real del Monte, 40
60 pm. ; Tlalpuxahua, 5 dis., par. ; United Mexican,
131 121 dis. ; Bolanos, SO 60 dis. _ _

Two o' Clock.

Consols have been 83 sellers, for Money, and 83/ for
Account ; they are now for both at the latter rate. Exchequer
Bills have touched 50 premium. Colombian Bonds fell to
31, but are now 31i 2. Mexican have been 68, but have
improved, being now 68i- ; the settlement appears to be
going off smoothly in the Foreign Funds.

Consols, 83 A-.

THREE OCL 0 CK.

FOUR o'CLOCK—CLOSING PRICES.
Consols 83 Danish Bonds
Do. for Ac. 83 - Greek Do. 1825, 1.5 i.
Brazilian Bonds 5911 Mexican Do. 1825 68i
Buenos Ayres Do. Peruvian Do.

Chilian Do.
Columbian, 1824, 31i

Russian Do. 904
Spanish Do. 12i

LIES OF THE DAY.

It is said that a well-known gentleman of fashion in
saluting a lady at the late masquerade in the Argyle Rooms,
saluted his own wife by mistake. He has been a sincere
"penitent ever since.
The Reverend Mr. Dillon, the historian of the " Lord
Mayor's Voyage to Oxford," has been appointed Professor
of Modern History to the London University.
MARCH OF MIND.—It is reported that the first Mathe-
matical Class at the London University have got nearly as
far as the fifth Proposition of Euclid already.
We understand that the Bench of Bishops were so shock-
ed last night by the Marquis of Londonderry's appeal to
them on the subject of " disgusting concubinage," that
three of their Lordships were carried home from the House
in a fainting fit. The morals of Lord Eldon, it is added,
have received a similar shock.

Sir Thomas Lawrence, 3ve hear, is busily engaged in
painting a Portrait of the Earl of W--d as Adonis.
It is reported that only one pocket was picked at the
Radical Meeting, held yesterday, by Messieurs Hunt and
Cobbett, near Waterloo-bridge.
It is whispered in the fashionable circles, that Lord Lon-
donderry's speeches in the House of Lords are only Grand
Rehearsals of the part of "Bombastes Furioso," which his
Lordship intends to perform at Mrs. Coutts's nex private
theatricals.

NEWFOUNDLAND SCHOOL SOCIETY.
(THIS DAY.)

At twelve o'clock, the Fourth Annual General Meeting
of the Friends and Supporters of this Institution, was held
at the Freemason's Hall, Great Queen-street, Lincoln's
Inn-fields,
The Right Hon. Lord BEXLEY in the Chair :

The Noble CHAIRMAN congratulated the assembly on
having the satisfaction 'to meet them on this occasion,
it being their Fourth Annual Meeting. From the state
of public affairs, the support that might have been ex-
pected had not been received; but when he stated that one
thousand two hundred poor children were at present
educated from the funds of the Society, he hoped that
British liberality would enable them to extend their exer-
tions to the hundreds of poor children, anxious to derive
the benefits of education ; but at present the intersected
and scattered state of the country, was such as to render
so desirable an object unattainable, unless each 4istrict
possessed a separate school establishment, which in the pre-
sent state of the funds of thi' Society ova i impossible. The
majority of the settlers were poor Trial emigrants, who
had a very strong claim on the feelings and commiseration of
the British public; and he trusted that exertions would be
made to promote the private funds, which had been in-
tended and subscribed as a reserve against any sudden or
extraordinary expence of the Institution.
A very voluminous Report for the past year urso then
read by the Secretary. It spoke favourably of the pro-
ceedings of the Society generally, and stated that consider-
able additions had been made to its funds, by the sale of
certain useful and ornamental works, under the direction
and superintendance of the Ladies' Committee. Two thou-
sand persons in the adult and juvenile schools, were now
deriving the blessings of instruction. Upwards of 2,5001.
had been received in contributions during the late year, but
that sum fell considerably short of the expenditure.
Viscount MANDEVILLE then rose, and after some pre-
fatory observations, moved the adoption of the Report just
read.

The Rev. EDWARD BICKERITAFF seconded the motion,
and entered into an account of the reasons which induced
him to connect himself with that excellent Institution,
which had faith for its ground-work, under the blessing of
Divine Providence, and which had for its object, the diffu-
sion of Christian knowledge and mental instruc-
tion, in an island containing a population of ninety
thousand souls. No existing Society could have taken
such grounds as this, for it established itself when
all other Societies then existing were calling aloud
for funds and workmen to labour in the vineyard. Under
the Divine blessing funds sufficient would be raised, and
the necessary schools required would be shortly established,
and men of God sent out to assist in the great work. The
Reverend Gentleman concluded by seconding the motion
which was put from the chair, and unanimously agreed to.
General ORDE moved the next resolution, which was to
the effect that the Meeting, deeply interested in the educa-
tion and religious instruction of the poor of Newfoundland,
acknowledge, with devout gratitude to God, the many
encouragements graciously vouchsafed to the Society, and
relying upon the Divine Blessing alone for success, they had
earnestly implored the Members of the Institution-and the
numerous friends of scriptural education throughout the
empire, to contribute the necessary means for accomplish-
ing the good work so happily began in Newfoundland.
The Rev. Mr. Bunn, in seconding the Resolution,
alluded to that part of the report which stated, that a
female, now in the service of one of the Masten
of the Society, had become " discreet and cleanly.".—
This description would not be entitled to much notice, if ap-
plied to a female of this country, but he assured the Meet-
ing that it was a most important fact, when applied to a
female inhabitant of Newfoundland, where the women
were in the lowest state of moral degradation.
Mr. PATRICK MORRIS said, as he was a resident in New-
foundland, and was married to a native of that Island, he
could not refrain from assuring the meeting that the females of
Newfoundland had been most grossly and unjustly libelled
by the Rev. Gentleman. Indeed, the state of the criminal
calendar at the Assizes proved most I incontestablythat
the people altogether were as moral as those of any other
country.

The Rev. Mr. BUDD, in explanation, said, that he had
meant only to allude to the lowest class of females.
After some further discussion,
_ _ _ _

Mr. Aloaais said, that dulling twenty years' residence
in Newfoundland, he had never seen a native female
of that country drunk. Those who were in the habit
of indulging in intoxication were imported. And he
regretted to say that the majority of these belonged to his
unfortunate country Ireland.—(Laughter.)
Thanks were then voted to the several officers and
friends of the Institution, and the meeting separated.

BOW-STREET.—HUNT AND His MAN.—The mob
orator, attended by his servant, Charles Wright, entered
this office, and stated to Sir R. BIRNIE, that understanding a
charge was to be preferred against a gentleman named Pitt,
for interrupting a surveyor of paviors in the execution of his
duty, he was determined to make his servant bring a charge
of assault against the said surveyor, for having struck
him while standing at his horse's head.—He (Mr. Hunt)
knew nothing of Mr. Pitt before that day, but he saw the
Surveyor (Stevens) knock a ladder, which had been at-
tached to the hustings erected in front of St. Paul's, Co-
vent-garden, from under that gentleman's feet, with a sledge
hammer. Upon the whole, he considered the conduct of
Mr. Stevens as extremely improper.
Sir R. litarrix considered the charge a very trifling one,
aid was really of opinion that Mr. Stevens was acting in
the performance of his duty.-'-The cave was dismissed.

LAW INTELLIGENCE-(THIS DAY.)

COURT OF CHANCERY.
BANKRUPTCY.

Mr. MoNTAcsu stated, that he appeared for a creditor
under a bankruptcy to the amount of 71,000/. ; that cre-
ditor held a post obit bond for 3,0001., and as the assig-
nees were to be chosen to-day, tae application was for
leave to prove for the difference between the amount of the
debt and the value of the bond, w'aich, without the per-
mission of the Court he could not do until he was able
to state the exact amount of his debt.
Mr. ROEE opposed the application.
His LORDSHIP thought where the debt was so large and
the security so trifling, it was but reasonable to allow his
application, and therefore he made the order upon the usual
terms of the applicant's paying costs.
DEARLE V. BROWN, AND WILLIS V. BLACK.

These appeals were ordered to stand over, in consequence
of Mr. Heald's illness.

COURT OF KING'S BENCH.

GARNETT V. FARRAND.

This was an action of trespass brought by the plaintiff,
who is a reporter to the newspapers, against the defendant,
who was Coroner of the County Palatine of Lancaster, for
excluding -the plaintiff from the Coroner's Court, while
there to take notes of the proceedings of an inquest on the
death of Benjamin Gas.
The cause was brought this day under the consideration
of the Court, on a demurrer to the plaintiff's replication.
The replication stated, that on the above occasion the
plaintiff entered the Court, while the defendant, and a
Jury were on the inquest ; that there was sufficient room
for all parties present ; that he behaved himself peaceably
and quietly, till the trespass complained of was committed.
To which it was pleaded by the defendant,.-Ist, That the
plaintiff, in contempt of decency and good order, intruded
himself into the Court without having any business
there, being neither a witness or juror ;—Rdly, That
he violently broke into' the Court-room, and would
have wrongfully and illegally taken notes, had he been
allowed to remain, to the great hindrance and in-
terruption of public justice; and lastly, that no person
who is not interested, has any right to be present at a Co-
roner's inquest.
Mr. FOLLETT appeared in support of the demurrer, and
contended at great length, that no person without being in-
terested, ha, a right to be present at a Coroner's inquest. He
could see no difference in point of principle between the pro-
ceedings of a Coroner's Inquest and a Grand Jury, they were
both preparatory investigations previous to a regular trial,and
it was well known that no person but witnesses were ad-
mitted in the room where a Grand Jury exercise their
duty; they were besides sworn not to disclose any of the
proceedings before them, and so strict were the
Courts anciently on this point, that in a case
where a person on a Grand Jury disclosed some of
the facts proved before them, the Court found that he
was accessory to the crime, and was punished accordingly;
and though if such a case occurred at present, the Court
would not be so severe, yet such an offence would be con-
sidered a very high misdemeanour. He maintained that
justice could not be at all administered, if Judges had
not power to exclude those persons who had no
right to be present. He acknowledged that the Courts
of Justice ought to be open to the public, but not
to individuals. If individuals could claim a right to
be present in Court, then he might claim to sit in any part
—in the Jury box, in the clients' box, or any other place
allotted by the Court for a special purpose, or even on
the Bench itself. The only decisions in favour of the
plaintiff's case were the dicta of Lords Mansfield and Ken-
yon, in two cases, where they said that Coroners' Inquests
were appointed to be open to the public by a special statute ;
but, with all deference to these great authorities, the learned
Counsel denied that such a statute ever existed, and thought
that these Judges had mistaken the statute of 34 Edward
111. cap. 13., and other subsequent statutes, for admitting
the public to the proceedings of Eschsaters and Commis-
sioners of the public revenue.
Mr. PARR appeared for the plaintiff, and replied at con-
siderable length.
Lord TENTERDEN then said, that the case had been well
argued on both sides, and as it was a matter of great im-
portance the Court would consider before giving judgment.
The Court was occupied all the morning in hearing the
arguments in the above cause.

COURT OF COMMON PLEAS.
SITTINGS IN BANCO.
GIBBON V. RULE.
This was an action to recover a sum of money, which
the plaintiff claimed for chartering the ship Circassian, as
commission, at 21 per cent. The defendant was the owner
of the ship. The case was tried at Guildhall, before the
Lord Chief Justice, last Thursday, and a verdict found for
the defendant.
Mr. Sergeant TAnDY now moved for a rule to show
cause why the verdict should not be set aside, and a new
trial granted.
The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE grauted\a rule Nisi.

HIGH COURT OF ADMIRALTY.
THE YORKSHIREMAN.

Lord SrowEL was assisted in the hearing of this case
by two of the Masters of the Trinity House.
It appeared from the statement of Dr. JENNER that it
was a case of collision. The steamer Yorkshireman,
bound from Hull to London, having run foul of the smack
Speculator, on the night of the 2d June, the smack being
on her voyage from London to Norway, where she was to
take in a cargo of live lobsters. The Speculator was con-
siderably damaged by the collision, and her owner now
applied for compensation for that damage, alleging that
the injury had arisen from the misconduct of the crew of
the steamer.

Dr. LusnlNorox appeared for the owners of the York-
shirernan, and urged that her crew were free from all
blame, having done all in their power to prevent the acci-
dent which occurred. Under these circumstances, he sub-
mitted that the owner of the smack was not entitled to any
compensation—the injury having been sustained through
the negligence of his own crew.
The affidavits on both sides were read, and were ex-
tremely contradictory.
Lord Srowsr, said, tpat in his opinion the crew of the
steamer might have prevented the damage which had oc-
curred, and therefore that her owners were bound to bear
the burthen of the damage: The Brethren of the Trinity-
house having concurred in this opinion, the Court pro-
nounced for the application.