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reared to him to be peculiarly appropriate; or, if
they would seek another monument to Dr. Birkbeck.,
he would ask them to look around.—(Cheers.) He would ask
them to look at the Chairman, and those by whom he was sur-
rounded, and at that great meeting—(Cheers)—brought to-
gether, as it was, to do justice to a man for endeavouring to
promote the cause of education, and the welfare of the WOlking-
classes of society.—(Cheers.) To such a man, a more appro-
priate monument could not be raised than that proposed by the
'Committee. They were not able to do all they might wish for
the benefit of their fellow-countrymen, they could not prevent
poverty, and distress, and privation, but they might much mi-
tigate it by diffusing knowledge.—(Cheers.) The best mode
'of promoting the greatest happiness to the greatest number,
was to promote knowledge. When they had established the
Professorship in question, he trusted that every Professor would
endeavour to exceed Dr. Birkbeck in his usefulness.—( Cheers. )
Mr. Focco, who spoke from the body of the hall, and who
was at times inaudible, said that the Noble Lord in the chair
had not been made aware of the proceedings of a meeting which
had previously been held on this subject, with which he ought
'to have been made acquainted. At that public meeting, which
had been held on the 3d of August, at the London Mechanics'
Institution, the subject of founding the Professorship had
been debated, and he was sorry that the Committee had not
called those before them who on that occasion lheit differed from
them in opinion. Oat that occasion the propriety of founding
a lectureship on moral duties was suggested, and he felt con-
vinced that that would be a preferable plan. Dr.
Birkbeck, in allusion to a Professorship of Machinery, told
him that he did not know any one capable of filling such a
Professorship; but in founding a lectureship on moral duties he
thought they would have better success. A working man ex-
hausted by his day's toil would not go to listen to lectures on
machinery, but the working man would go to listen to a course
of lectures on moral duties as a recreation. He hoped the
Cc mmittee would allow of some modification of their
_p roposi-
lion. He disapproved of endowments altogether.He would
remind them that the great object they had in view was the
improvement of the minds of the people , and if they worked
well for 10 or 1.5 years, they would then be able to get a lecture
-eery well of themselves without the assistance of professors.
For his part he wished that some means could be devised for ex-
tending the benefits of the establishment, whatever it might be,
and which they should endow throughout the country as large.
A Yours* MAN in the body of the meeting said that he
trusted he should be pardoned if he trespassed for a moment
on their indulgence. He was himself one who had bene-
fited by these ,Slechanics' Institutions, to the establishment
of which Dr. Birkbeck had mainly contributed. It appeared
to him that the establishment of a Professorship in the Univer-
sity College would not be the best means of perpetuating the
memory of Dr. Birkbeck among the working classes. And it
should be recollected that that was the object which the meet-
ing had principally in view. In his opinion the establish-
ment of itinerant lectureships, as had been suggested by
a gentleman who had preceded him, would much more
effectually contribute to the purpose. He believed that lectures
at the London University would not be attended by the working
men generally of the Metropolis, and to the working men of
other towns they would be wholly useless. He would there-
fore propose as an amendment to the resolution—" That in
the opinion of this Meeting, the best way to perpetuate the
memery of Dr. Birkbeck among the working classes would be
the establishment of itinerant lectureships."
Lord BROUGHAM hoped he might be permitted, before
putting the question, to explain to the two gentlemen who
had just spoken, that it was a great mistake to suppose that
the appointment of a Professorship in the London Univer-
sity, implied that it was to be an endowment paid by a salary,
without depending at all on class fees, so as to enable the Pro-
fessor to go to sleep in his chair, and receive his salary
without doing his business ; they should then be founding an
abuse instead of a professorship. There would be fees,
very moderate, so as to enable tha working classes
to attend, and to enable the lectures to be better worth his at-
tendance, for that which was got for nothing, was often nothing
worth, and very little valued or rated by, by those who re-
ceived it. A reasonable amount of salary would be attached
to the Chair, but it would not be independent of his own exer-
tions. As to the observation respecting an itinerant lecture-
ship, he was far from supposing anything in the appoint-
ment of the Professor that would preclude his visiting the chief
workshops of industry, Birmingham, Leeds, and ilranchester.
It would be impossible to visit all the Mechanics' Institutions of
the country, and as they became more numerous, it would be-
come still more impossible. His Lordship then read the
amendment, proposing the foundation of an itinerant Lec-
tureship.
Me. TRACEY asked if the original resolution was capable of
all the modifications his Lordship had alluded t o ?
Lord BROUGHAM had no hesitation in saying, that in his
opinion the foundation of such a Professorship in connection
with the London University was perfectly compatible with, and
might lead to, an itinerant lectureship to the extent described.
He would go a little further, and pledge himself that it should
be Po done. He pledged himself as connnected with the Com-
mittee, with the subscription, and University, that if the means
would afford it lectures should be so given from time to time.
Mr. TRACEY—Let the amendment be embodied in the re.
solution.
The CHAIRMAN--. 11 is part of the Report, and the report has
been adopted- The Noble and Learned Lord then read from
the Report the following extract :
" It will be the duty of the Professor himself to have con-
stant intercourse with manufacturers and their workmen ; and
(observing thus the difficulties which the latter have to sur-
mount in learning the principles of the arts practised by them)
he may be inclined, as he will certainly be most fit, to suggest
means for removing those difficulties. We would indeed urge
that the terms of the Professor's appointment should direct his
attention to this matter.
" It is propable also that dining the intervals of the College
Session, the Professor will fad it his interest to lecture at Insti-
tutions in the country, where he will contribute to introduce a
branch of teaching which has not perhaps hitherto sufficiently
prevailed wiihin them ; and we feel a strong hope that of the
students who will frequent the class which we propose to found,
many will afterwards devote themselves to popular instruction."
The CWAINMAN observed that he thought it batter to add
tha amendment to the resolution. It was to the effect, " That
during the interval of the Session he be required to lecture in
the country."
The resolution, as amended, having been put and carried,
Mr. Coexes, the Secretary. read letters from Lord Lens-
doe rte and others ; also a list of subscribers on the present oc-
casion. Among the names were those of—The Noble and
Learned Chairman' Lord Brougham, 50 guineas ; Lord Lans-
downe, 501.; Lord Campbell, lot. ; Lord J. Russell, 10/. ; Mr.
Ewart, 51., &c.
Mr. Moscieroef Miexes. M.P., said he had been called upon
to address the meeting without premeditation, and certainly
would not have done so hail he not felt a wish, as a
professed Conservative Member of Parliament, to come
there to sympathise with them.—( Cheers.) He seas anxious
to show that the subject of the meeting was common ground,
on which men of all opinions might meet together ; that when
the education of the working classes was concerned, the stickler
for the old constitution, and the man who was most anxious for
an entirely new one, were united. He would merely refer to
the address of Sir Robert Wel on the openingof the Tamworth
Institute as a proof of what he said.—(Cheers.) There was
no partisanship in the diffusion of knowledge.--( Cheers.) All
could join in the good work. Although it was a mournful
occasion, yet he trusted that it would not be without
its advantages. He was not called upon to interfere
in any discussion that had been raised as to the propriety of
disposing of the funds that would be collected, but he hoped
that every gentleman would believe that the Committee, in the
determination they had come to, with perfect honesty and good
will, had the wish to carry out what they believed would
have been the wishes of Dr. Birkbeck.—( Cheers.) He was
certain that if the Committee had believed that, if any of the
other excellent propositions which had been submitted to the
Meeting, had been more feasible than the one they had pro-
posed, they would have had no hesitation in adopting it.—
(Cheers. ) The Hon. Gentleman concluded by proposing the
following resolution .
" That the thanks of the Meeting be presented to the Com-
mittee and to the Secretary for their labours hitherto; that
they be requested to continue their exertions for the attainment
of the proposed object, and that they have leave to add to their
numbers, and appoint trustees."
Mr. ROEBUCK, who was received with loud cheering, rose to
second the metion of his lion. Friend. It was needless at that
time for hire to enlarge upon the benefits likely to accrue from
the proposal which hail been made that day ; still more need-
les, was it for him to add his humble tribute of applause to the
exertions of that great man whose memory there was
no mar. but must honour.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") In
him they had suffered a great loss, and they were seeking
to alleviate that loss by the adoption of that measure which
they conceived would have been most gratifying to that great
man, had he yet lived. —( Cheers. ) They had adopted the
recommendation of the Committee, and, in doing so, they had
done that which ith Dr. Birkbeck had been the object of his
whole life—they had contributed to the diffusion of knowledge
through the country.—(Cheers.) He would not live in mar-
ble or monumental brass, but he would live in the circulation
of knowledge—and he could not die while knowledge remained.
It had been said that the Professor they were about to endow
would swallow up the memory of him they desired to comme-
morate. Not so.—(Cheers.) No man would return from
bearing those lectures, but he would call to mind who it was
who had first put in motion that engine, in the benefits derived
from which he had just participated.—(Cheers.) They were
about to erect a living monument to hiin—(Cheers)—they
were about to make it perpetual, continuous, ever active, and,
like himself, ever beneficent. The Committee had adopted a
plan which, while it would 'commemorate the memory of
Dr. Birkbeck in the manner that would have been most pleas-
ing to himself, would at the same time confer great benefit on
mankind, and excite others to follow his noble example.—
(Cheers.) In erecting a monument to the memory of such a
man, it was not so desirable to erect a marble tomb that might
be beautiful to look at, as to endeavour to promote the good of
mankind, as he had done, and to incite others to the adoption
of a similar line of virtuous conduct. For these reasons he
approved of the decision of the Committee, and he cordially
seconded the resolution of his Hon Friend.
The Noble Chairman here left the meeting, amidst the most
enthusiastic demonstrations of applause.
Lord J. RUSSELL having then taken the chair,
Mr. HILL, Queen's Counsellor, moved the thanks of the
meeting to the Noble and Learned Lord who had presided over
their proceedings on that day. He believed there was no one
to whose countenance and assistance Dr. Birkbeck was so
much indebted in the labours of his life as to the Noble
and Learned Lord. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then
moved the resolution, as follows .—" That the thanks of the
meeting be given to Lord Brougham for his attendance this
day, and for the great services which he had rendered towards
the education of the people."
Mr. E. BAINES second the resolution.
The resolutions were then put and unanimously carried.
The SECRETARY, after informing the meeting that the
public would be made acquainted, by advertisement, with time
Places where subscriptions might be paid, read a further list
of contributions which he had received during the day.
The meeting then separated.

THE BIRi
.BECK TESTIMONIAL.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.
Sl,—l beg you will allow me to state, that at the meeting
held this day, Mr. Cogatemseputit a paper into my hand, after I
had spoken, informing
Council
of the university
Co.p.t Dr. Birkheek attended the
thither for instruction. 'lege in 1841, and had sent a son
Having thus sent his contra/66,2n of my statement for
publication, I can only repeat, a;
bstated at the meeting,
that somewhere about 1830, Dr. Birk' was completely dis-
satisfied with the management of the Culioge; that he attended the Council some years afterwards is
Coates. Admitting the fact, it suppliew, rifilsti by Mr.
promote the interest o that Coll •,, .
the public should to reason why
under the pretence of doing honour to Dr. Ih_lairkh:q7L The recommendation of the Committee would
had,
more effect had it not been signed by the Secretary of the
lege, arid the meeting would have had more claims to 7,,i(bl:c-
favour had it not been presided over by one of the heads of the
College to be benefited, and had none of the resolutions been
either moved or seconded by persons having an interest in that
Institution. My ineffectual opposition to the whole Plan
was bas; d, I avow, on the opir.ion that it is much better calcu-
lated to sere' the University College than to commemorate Dr.
Birkbeck's worth, or promote the instruction of the working-
elasses.—l am your obedient servant,
April 25.
THOMAS 11 OD GSK IN
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.e General Steam Navigati6n— yUompan's English
steam-ship Soho, Captain Thomas SVhitcombe, 'arrived this
morning (Monday) from Antwerp, in nineteen hours, having
on board Lord Chichester, and the Hon. B. Bolton.

By Mr. HALL-1 do rot recollect seeing Melly Good end the
deceased together about the time the blue bonnet was made.
Nicholas Pearce examined—l ant an Inspector of the A
division ; on the evening of Saturday, the 16th of April, I
went to Gamble's lodgings, situate, 2, Tindal-buildings, Gray's
Inn lane. I knew Gamble before, and had seen the female
prisoner before on two or three occasions, 1 first saw Gamble
en Monday the 11th, coming out of the lodgings of the
female prisoner about five o'clock in the evening. I followed
him to Aldgate, and on to Green-bank, Tooley-street, and
then to Tindal-buildings. On the next day I saw the two
prisoners together in Bishopsgate-street, and near the Catholic
chapel in Moorfields, and on the same day in Flower and
Dean-street, near the George and Guy public-house, walking.
I was at the female prisoner's lodgings about one o'clock in the
morning of the 14th. 1 heard a female voice say to Molly,
" Who don't he come forward ? there's 1501. reward
for him, he is sure to be taken." The voice wint
on to say—" Why don't he put a rope round his
neck, and put a stone to it, and not disgrace his country ?"
The female prisoner replied, " He has more pluck than that.
Dan is the darling of my heart; she was a stinking whore and
a stinking bitch." On the 16th 1 went to Gamble's lodgings,
soon after nine o'clock in the evening. I saw Gamble in
Gray's Inn-lane, and asked him his name. He said, " What's
the odds to you ?" I told him to come into the square, and I
would speak to him, and that I was an officer. I asked hiM if
he knew Daniel Good, the man charged with murder? lie
said he did. but he had not seen him (I think he said) for
eight or nine years.
Prisoner—Fourteen, Sir.
Examination continued—l asked him if he knew Good's
wife, and he said he did. I asked where she resided, and he
said, Flower and Dean-street. To the best of my belief he
mentioned the number. I asked if he had seen her lately, he
said, " Once, and that was last week." I asked where he lived,
and he said, 2, Tindal's-buildings. I searched him and
found two keys in one pocket, awl a sovereign and a half
in his watch-pocket. I asked him if he had received
a parcel or anything from Good's wife lately, and he said
he had not. This was just before I searched him. I
then left him in charge of another constable, and went to No.
2, Tindal's-building., where I was informed that he did live
there. I returned to Gamble, and took him back with me ;
he showed me a box on the ground-floor, which he said was
his. I gave him the light, and we went up stairs to the second
floor front room, where there were three or four beds. I asked
him which was his, and he pointed out the one on
the left, nearest to the wall. I asked if he
occupied all the bed, and he said, "No, there was
some one slept with him," and the man was sent for and came
to the room. I asked him if he had any, property about the
bed? He said "No." Police constable Thornton then began
to search the bed, and in doing so, he found the three gowns
produced rolled up together very tight. 1 asked Gamble to
whom they belonged, and he said they were his. I asked h:m
how he came by them, and he said that they were given to
him. I asked him by whom, and he said " a friend." I said
" What friend ?" and he said " a female." I said " Who
is the female ? " and he said, " Does that make
any difference ? " I then sent him to the station-house.
I took the box which I saw down stairs to the station-house,
and with this key opened it in the male prisoner's presence.
The first thing 1 took out was this shirt. I asked him if it
was his, and he said " Yes." I asked if it was marked. He
first said "Yes," and then " Nn." It is marked in ink, "S.
Perry." I then took out another shirt, marked similarly.
This, he said, was his also. He said it was given to him by
the same person. I said " You've not told me who the per-
son was," and he said " Maly Good." Mary Good was not
present then. He said, " I had them in the bundle." I went
to the house of the female prisoner at eleven o'clock the same
night, and asked her if she knew a person of the name of
Rick or Rickard Gamble, and she said she did not ; ,she bad
never heard of such a person. I then sent her to the station-
house.
Cross-examined—l went to Mary Good's, but made no
search there.
Wm. Henry Spice examined—l live at No. 13, Duke-street,
Grosvenor-square, and am a chemist and druggist- I had an
assistant in April last, named Solomon Perry. I knew Mrs.
Jane Good, the deceased. She used to wash for me
and my assistant Perry. I have seen these shirts be-
fore, and I recognise his handwriting upon them.
I am sure they are his. The deceased washed for me
up to the day of her death. Mr. Parry is now in Cornwall.
Stephen Purdryan, D 16, re-called—l searched the female
prisoner's lodgings on Friday the Bth. I found these bundles
there; they contain a gown and two small work-boxes. I
found them in the corner of the room.
Daniel Good, jun., was re-called, and identified the two
work-boxes as having been in the possession of the deceased.
He had seen them every day up to Monday the 4th of April.
Whilst examining the contents of one of the boxes, the little
fellow discovered his knife, and immediately taking it up, he
exclaimed, " This is my knife, please, Sir, may I have it?"
Mr. Hall said it had better n t be taken away.
Mary Ann Grayson examined—l am the wife of Thomas
Grayson, and lodge in the same house with the female prisoner.
My husband is a silk dyer. I saw Good in Newgate on Satur-
day last. I saw the same man at Good's lodgings, about a
quarter past seven on Thursday morning, ith April. On
Monday the 1 I th, I saw Gamble there for the first time, about
the middle of the day ; he stayed some time and went to her
room. I do not know what became of him afterwards.
He was there again tho next day ; he called about
two o'clock and went up into her room. I saw him
shake hands with her ; he stayed some hours, and they went
out together. The last time I saw him there was on Thurs-
day morning, the 14th. He went up to her room then, and
stopped more than an hour. They then went out and re-
turned together, and he did not leave before eleven o'clock.
I live in the adjoining room to Mrs. Good's.
Cross -exarnined—l have lived at that place five years, and I
believe Molly Good lived there many years before I went there.
I never saw Daniel Good there before the time I have al-
luded to, all the while I lived there. I think I must have seen
him if he came there. I have often heard her speak about her
husband being away.
Gamble—You said on your oath that you have lived in this
house for five years. Did you ever see me there before 11th
April?
Witness—No, I did not.
Gamble—lf I had been in the habit of going there, would
you have seen me ?
Witness—Most likely, if you had been in the habit of going
there, I should have seen you.
Edward Pritchard examined—l live at 3, Essex-place,
Hoxton. I am a bedstead maker. I know the two pri-
soners. I have followed them about lately. I saw them
on Thursday, 14th inst. at the George and Guy, public-house,
Brick-lane. They drank there together. I was close to them.
I heard them converse together. Mrs. Good said, as near as
I can recollect, "Poor Dan, he's afraid he will be taken, hut
he'll keep out of the way as long as he can." Gamble said,
" Hold your tongue, leave it to me, and he'll never be taken."
They came out of the public-house, and I went out after them.
Alice Thackstcr examined— lam bar-maid at the George
and Guy public-house, Brick-lane, Spitalfields. I know the
female prisoner ; she came to our house about two o'clock on
Friday, the Bth of this month ; she asked me to take care of
two duplicates, I said I would, and she gave them to me, and
went away instantly. I saw her three or four days afterwards,
and she asked me if I knew what I had taken, and I said yes;
she said "Do not say anything about it." I have given them
to Inspector Pearce.
Mr. alaule—l must now go back, Sir, to the history of
Sarah Butcher receiving this property, which I could not carry
on before in consequence of the absence of Parry, the con-
stable.
Susan Butcher examined—On Wednesday, 6th April, Daniel
Good called at my father's house, and gave me able bonnet, a
gown, a shawl, and handkerchief, a fur tippet, a pair of gloves,
-end a pair of boots, now produced. On the following day I
delivered all of them to Sergeant Parry.
Police Sergeant Parry, BR, examined—l received the
articles enumerated by the last witness from her on Thursday,
ith April.
Mary Anne Clarke re-called—This bonnet belonged to
Mrs. Jane Good; lam sure of it, because I made it myself.
I have seen the deceased wear it very often, every Suuday. This
gown I believe to have belonged to the deceased. I have
seen her wear one of the same make, colours, and pattern.
Mr. HALL—Has any one looked into the box of Jane Jones,
alias Good, to see what clothes were there? Witness—The
wearing apparel is all taken away, I believe, Sir.
At Mr. fl.see's request Inspector Pearce was recalled, and
he stated—Last Tuesday I received two duplicates from Alice
Thackstcr ; I delivered them to Sergeant Stephens on the fol-
lowing day, and told him to redesm the property, which he did.
Police Sergeant Stephens A, 13—I received two duplicates
on the 20th inst. in the name of William Stanley, from Mr.
Pearce. I went to Mr. S iames, in Brick-lane, and redeemed
the property on the same day and left the duplicates.
Sir. Maule—That's my case, Sir.
Mr. Pelham—l wish to know how you propose to deal
with this case, Sir? If the deceased were the wife of Good,
the property would be his, and it would be no felony
on the part of the prisoner to receive it; and
the female prisoner cannot be indicted as a re-
ceiver. If she was not his wife, and he stole the
things, and gave them to the female prisoner, then she cannot
be indicted as a receiver. Then if the female prisoner be his
wife, she cannot be indicted for receiving or harbouring him
after the fact, supposing him to be guilty thereof. Those are
the difficulties, and it rests with the Court to say how far they
are guilty, and of what offence.

suck articles. He then went to the doer, and returned with
the female prisoner whom I had known before, and she said,
"It is all right, Mr. Soames, you need not be afraid; he is my
husband, and has just come home from sea." That did away
with my objection and we agreed to take them in. They then
went away, and about one hour afterwards the man came back
with a trunk upon his back, and said, " I have brought yon
the trunk." I assisted him with it from his back ;
The trunk was about 5 feet long, 2 feet wide, and 2 feet deep,
and was corded. When he put it down he left the shop, and
said he would go back and fetch the remainder. In about ten
minutes he returned, bringing the bed ; the female prisoner
was with him that time. When they brought the bed, and I
began to uncord it, Mr. Soames said, "as this is likely to be
a long job, you had better go and get your dinner, and
let these people stay till you have done; and they were
told that if they could not stop, they might take the
things elsewhere. They did stop till I finished my dinner.
Whilst I was at dinner, Good, it appears, had taken the things
out. We offered him 21.. upon them. He appeared very
anxious to get more, and said that he had just come from sea
and wanted to raise some money to go to Scotland, as he had
not got his wages yet. We eventually gave him 2/. 10s. as
the pledge upon the goods. I had occasion to go on the out-
side of the counter ; the female prisoner came to me and said,
"Don't lend htm more than 2/., for I shall have the job
of taking them out, same as I had last time." They
then went away ; and in about ten minutes afterwards,
Good returned, and brought with him some odd china in a
spare deal box, and some female wearing apparel in a bundle.
By Mr. HALL—The 21. 10s. was placed upon the counter,
and Good took it up ; and I rather think the woman took the
duplicates.
Examination continued—The wearing apparel consisted of
two mantillas, a long worsted scarf, and a black shawl
with flowers on it. These articles we purchased ;
we first offered to give him ten shillings in pledge
upon them ; but he said that he wanted to get
as much as he could for them, as he should not
want them again. He said that a female had died on his
passage home, and had given the things to him. We even-
tually gave him 12s. for them. We gave him two tickets
for the pledged things, and the things have been redeemed by
the police.
Cross-examined—The woman was in the habit of coming,
to our shop, and as far as I know was always a well-con-
ducted woman, and always to be found. I have been
eleven months with Mr. Soames, and during that time
have been in the habit of seeing her every week. The bed was
a very good feather one, but the tick was damaged.. The man-
tillas were very old ; I could not say whether they appeared as
if they had been a sea voyage. Good was dressed on this
occasion in a dark coat; I think the first turn he had a black
linen sleeve-jacket on, and that the second turn he had a
frock coat over it ; but I am not positive that his trousers were
dark.
Catherine Neil deposed--I live at No. 12, Greenbank,
Tooley-street ; I am the wife of Owen Neil, a brick-
layer's labourer. I have seen the female prisoner
once before now. I saw Daniel Good last Satur-
day at Newgate. On the evening of Thursday
April 7, Good and the female prisoner came to my house.
Good asked if a person named Neale lived there ; I said "yes."
He was not at home. Good said he had come from Jersey and
Guernsey, and had been shipwrecked on the passage, and had
lost all his clothes and boxes, and some money. He asked me
if I knew him, I said " No." He said, " I'm uncle to John
Good." John Good lives at Deptford. He did not tell
me his own name. I told him that John Good lived some-
where near the Creek, in Deptford, but I did not
know the name of the street. He said he should go
down by the steam carriage, and that he should go to labouring
work. He told the woman to send out for something to drink
I told them not to send tor it for me. She then sent for a
quartern of liquor and we drank it together. They stayed at
my house about a hour and left together. Good was dressed
in a dark frock coat, a white neckerchief, a spotted waistcoat,
and pepper and salt or dark trousers. I saw the male prisoner
at my house this day fortnight. I never saw him before. He
asked me if a person named O'Neil lived there, and I
said Yes, he was at work. He asked me if I knew him ? I
said " No." He replied that his name was " Gamble," and
asked if I knew anything of Good. He said he had two shirts
that Good's wife had given him to take to him. That is the
only time I have seen him.
Mr. HA LL—During the time that Good was telling you
about the shipwreck, did the female prisoner make any remark ?
Witness—l believe not.
Cross-examined.—On Friday night Good came back to my
house about eight o'clock, when we were at supper. My
husband asked them to have supper, but he would not ; he
said he had been to Deptford, and bought the clothes he had
on, because the clothes would not do for labouring work. He
was dressed in a short jacket and trousers of fustian. He slept
at our place that night, arid took breakfast next morning ; he
left at ten o'clock on Saturday morning. He wanted to know
very much where Gamble lived, as he had not seen him for
some years. I told him that I did not know. I did not see
him since then till I saw him at Newgate. I have a son who
lives with me.
John Good examined—l live at No. 4, Orchard-row, Creek,
Deptford, and am a blacksmith. I know Daniel Good. I
saw him on Saturday at Newgate. I know the female prisoner
at the bar. Good and she came to my house about seven
o'clock in the evening of the 7th of April. He told me that
be was a relation of mine, and had seen me twenty-two years
ago, and though he did not know me, he had heard of me. I
do not recollect that I ever saw him before. He told me in her
presence that he had come from Holland, where he had been
with some horses for some gentlemen, had been shipwrecked,
and had lost all his things, except the clothes he then wore.
They both remained at my house that night, and went away
together the next morning, after breakfast. I saw Daniel
Good next on Saturday, about twelve o'clock, when he came
alone, and remained there all the afternoon and during the
night. At nine o'clock on Sunday morning he went away.
I heard the murder publicly proclaimed in the street on Satur-
day, the 9th, when he and I and my mistress went to market.
Cross-examined—Good stopped with me all the night, after
I heard the murder proclaimed in the street. I supped with
him. When he said he knew me, and was a relation, he
did not mention any part of Ireland. I knew the woman be-
fore. I never recollect to have seen him and the woman to-
gether before.
Hannah Good—l am the wife of the last witness. I know
the female prisoner; at least I only' saw her once, and that
was when she came to my place with Daniel Good on the 7th
of April. I saw Good at Newgate on Saturday last. They
called on me on the 7th ; remained there all night, and break-
fasted with us next morning. When they went away, I went
with them to the railway station at Deptford ; she went by the
train to London, and he returned with me to my own house,
where he staved till the evening of that day. He did not stay
at home all day ; he went in and out. He bought some
clothes on that day about eleven o'clock. He showed them to
me. They consisted of a jacket and trousers of fustian, a
black cloth, waistcoat, and a pair of stockings. He changed his
clothes there, and put these on. In the evening he left our
house, and I walked part of the way with him on the road to
London. We had two pints of beer together on the way. On
Saturday he returned in the fustian dress, and a hod with him.
By Mr. HALL—The female prisoner was not present when
Good bought the clothes and changed them.
Cross-examined—At nine o'clock on Sunday morning he
left my house and took his things away with him, and I have
not seen him since till last Saturday.
Cross-examined—l heard that one Daniel Good was wanted
for a murder, but I never imagined that he was the man. On
Saturday, in the afternoon, I heard of a murder, and in the
evening I heard men calling it about the streets; Good was
with me at the time, carrying my basket. Good returned with
me, and we supped together. We did not say one word about
the murder on that night, in conversation. Mary Good left
my house about ten o'clock on Friday morning.
Re-examined—When we were in the streets, and heard
the proclamation, I said it was curious tha this name should be
Daniel Good. Good smiled, and said, " Yes, it was strange,
but there were plenty of that name."
John Neil, jun.—l am the son of John and Catherine Neil,
and live at Greenbank, Tooley-street. I know Daniel Good,
and I saw him on Saturday at Newgate. He was at my father's
house on Friday evening, the Sth of April, and I saw him
there. I went with him somewhere. He went into an alley,
and told me to knock at a door and tell Molly Good that he
wanted her. I afterwards saw the female prisoner. I knocked
at the door and asked for Mrs. Good. Good had before told
roe if a stranger came to the door, not to tell her that he was
there, but to ask for some oranges. The woman who opened
the door called Mrs. Good, and she came out; the woman at
the bar is the same person. I told her that her husband wanted
her ; she then pinched me on the wrist.
By Mr. HALL—The woman who opened the door was be-
hind us when I told her this.
Cross-examined—She then asked me where he was. I
pointed out. to her where lie was. She went to him and hit
him on the back, but did not speak to him. He ran away and
she went back to the house. He went to another street
and I followed him. He then told me to go to her
again, and say that I wanted her. I went, but there
was a crowd round the door, and I did not tell her what he
said. He called at the house again in the evening.
By Mr. HALL—It was dark when I went to Molly Good's
house,

Mr. HALL—How do you prupose, Mr. Maule, that this case
should be dealt with ?

Mr. Manle—l must submit to you, Sir, that there is abun-
dant evidence to prove that these persons are accessories after the
fact, in harbouring and comforting him after the felony. There
is no evidence that either the female prisoner or the deceased
was the wife of Daniel Geod. They very likely both of them
cohabited with him. The evidence is rather against the female
prisoner being his wife, for it was known that he never went
there tiil very lately.
Mr. HALL—You need not mind that. I wish to hear in
what way you propose to commit them.
MAITLE—It appears to me, Sir, from the evidence, that
they harboured, and assisted, and aided him, knowing him to
have committed the felony.
Mr. HALL—There is but one conversation between them
you know.
Mr. Maule—There is one witness who heard a c-mver-
cation between the female prisoner and another woman,• which
proved that she was aware of it; and the conversation
between the two prisoners at the George and Guy,
shows that Gamble knew of it ; and another witness, the
waiter at the Spotted Dog, speaks to the same effect. It is
quite clear that both the prisoners were in possession of part of
the deceased's property ; they deny having possession of them
at first; then I say the possession of the deceased's property
proves that, after the murder, Good hastened to London, and
carried off the property of the deceased ; a great part of this lie
took to the house of Mary
Good, and, through her instru-
mentality, a part of it is taken to the house of Gamble ;
there it is concealed, and there it is found. If I am
right in the conclusions I draw, I say there is ample evidence
to put these prisoners upon their trial on the charge of being
accessories after the fact of the murder ; or if not, that the fact
of their having the goods and denying the possession of them
without being able to account for it, is in my opinion quite
sufficient to warrant you in putting them upon their trial for
being accessories after the fact.
Mr. lIALL—No doubt it' the deceased were the wife of Da-
niel Good, there would he an end of the case, and if Mary Good
were his wife, she could not be an accessory either with
respect to the murder or the goods. A wife may be con-
cerned in a murder jointly with her husband ; but she would
be considered in law sub protestati tire. There is not
however, the slightest evidence of the deceased
being the wife of Daniel Good, or to show that
Mary Good is, or ever was, the wife of Daniel Good. The
case must, therefore, be treated as if neither of them
were his Kite. The case against Gamble, with re-
spect to his being found in possession of this property, is
Very strong. He is seen on the 11 th in the house of this
woman, and that is the first time we find them togethee. On
the 12th, too, arid on the 14th, he is seen to go into he.. house
and to come out; and on the 16th the pods are found
under his bed. I do not mean to say that this
implies any attempt at secrecy, because there might have
been no other place of safety wherein to deposit the property.
I cannot help thinking on the whole that I should have ,so in saying thatb he ought to be put upon his trial as a
receiver of stolen property. Under all the circumstances I
think I shall commit him on this part of the case. With
respect to Mary Good, the case against her as accessory after
the fact is much stronger than against Gamble.—
( The worthy Magistrate then recapitulated the principal
points in the evidence, and he then continued) hese are
oil very strong facts; but I think the best and safest course I
eau adopt, is to commit them both as reculers of stoles pro.

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY MORNING. APRIL 26. 1842

pefty, leavirg it to the gentlemen concerned in the prosecution
to preNr any other charge %Mien they may think proper.
Mr. Burnaby. the Chief Clerk, then] cdninkticed residing the
depositions, which occupied a conei,lerable time ; tti(l tier^
concluded by six o'clock, when the wanesses were all bound
over to prosecute, and the prisoners were fully committed to
take their trial at the next 01(1 Bailey Sessions on the charge
of reeeltitig stilled property, well knowing it to have been
stolen.

Mary Good applied to know if she might have the rticniey
which had been tound upon her, and which the police had taken
from her, for the purpose of procuring some comforts for her-
self whilst in prison.
Mr. HALL granted the application, and also made an order
that the I/. 10s. found on Gamble shoald be given up to him.
The prisoners were then removed from the bar, and were
shortly after conveyed to Newgate, in the prison van.

ATTEMPT TO CUT A CHILD'S TMROAT.—During, the in
quiry into the case of Molly Good and Gamble before Mr-
Hall, Mr. Jardine sat in a separate room to hear the other
charges, placed on the list since Saturday.
Ellett Smith, a wretched and dejected looking woman, ap-
parently about 40 years cf age, was placed at the bar, en a
charge of having attempted to cut a boy's throat with a razor,
between four and five o'clock on Saturday evening last.
Sophia Wilks, of No. 10, Parker-street, Drury-lane, the
mother of the boy, deposed that she was a married woman,
living in the next room to the prisoner. On Saturday even-
ing, between four and five o'clock, witness allowed a little boy
of her's to go and fetch some beer for the prisoner. When the
boy returned, in the course of about twenty minutes, witness
heard him scream loudly in the room of the prisoner. NI fitness
went to the door of the room, and having opened it, she found
the prisoner, with one arm round the boy's waist, and the other
arm with a razor in her hand at his throat. The blood was
flowing down his clothes. Witness interfered, and in ti ying to
push away the razor got a wound on her own hand. Witness
having rescue 4 the boy retired. The boy was cut across the
throat and across the face. A medical gentleman came and
staunched the wound, and the child was then taken to the
hospital. The boy was about twelve years old. The prisoner
was in liquor at the time.
James Strip deposed that he had also heard the screaming.
Witness met the prisoner, and after remonstrating with her,
she told him that she was determined to commit murder, and
murder she should commit. Witness had taken a razor out of
the prisoner's hand a short time since. She was a very quiet
and inoffensive woman, unless after she had been drinking,
when her conduct was generally outrageous.
It having been stated 4:o the Magistrate that the wounds
ware not dangerous, and that the boy would probably be able to
attend in the course of a week, the prisoner was remanded unt.l
Monday next.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
HOUSE OF LORDS, April 25.
The House sat to-day to hear appeals. The Peers presen
were the Lord Chancellor, Lord Brougham, Lord Campbell
Viscount Maynard, and Lord St. Germain.

CHARTER V. SIR T. TeEvELyA rf.
The further arguments in this part-heard cave were resumed
to-day, and had not concluded when the Lord Chancellor roe
to attend a Committee. The arguments appear likely to oc-
cupy several days.

VICE-CHANCELLORS' COURT, April 25.
His Honour the Vice-Chancellor of Engla td was occupied
the whole day with cause petitions of no general interest.
( Before Vice Chancellor WIGRAM).
MALLALIEU V. MILLER.
His HONOUR was engaged during the day in hearing the
further arguments in this part-heard cause.
COURT OF EXCHEQUER, April 25.
The Court was engaged this day in hearing cases on the
special paper, which possessed no general interest.