The Sun.
London, England, 1816-06-21 00:00:00

HOUSE OF CONIMONS.-*---(Continu4.)

• • QEDFCATION or TUE-Poor,.
On lyeinrz re-admitted, we found Mr. BROU GNAM
addressing the House op the Educetion of the
Children of ,the Poor, in the, Metropolis. It ep-
-,Asee,red. horn the Report of the, ,Committee which
presented,' that there. are 100,000 children of
the lower orders destitute of editemion, on go•
lug one step higher, many schools, such at
ChrWtts,nospital, Cherterhouse,
111erc1Iant-Teilors', and other establishments of
that nature were found. On examining into
Gltt ist's Church every thing was satisfactory, end,
epon the nonteminute inquiries, the abuses ap-
pemed ninth lelas titan they had been represented;
in fac:,, fewer than could have been espected to
take place. In the Charterhotise were educated
the sons of Gentlemen, Bishops, and even Noble-
men, who were not rich enough to procure the
benefits of a good education to their children:
Every thing was in the best order, and if any al-
teration could be advised, it would be only to, ad-
,snit the children of poor Clergymen witsehad no
family coneexions to-assist them, instead .of those
of Noblemen, whose relatives might procure tothe
children the education which the parents were -
ble to give teem. At Westminster, instead of being
elected through interest or pi esentation, boys were
tried by a most rigorous examination, and merit
alone wormed- them King's scholarships. St:
Paul's School contained 153 boys, and was equally
well admit) ism ; and of Merchant Tailors' School
Ile could give an equally favourable report. The
amount of funds for charitable institutions was
'very considerable, and had increased even in the
001 our national difficulties. But those
fend 4 were not always properly applied. Whereas.
one thousand two hundred boys might bs educated
fen. 12001., it often happened that 1800 or 20001.
were spent to educate 70 or 100 bOys, to clothe
and hoard them.- With the latter came jobs an
contracts, and a waste of money. Having ems-
mined. many of the charitable establishments in
the metropolis, the Committee found, that out
of 18,0001. produced' by voluntary snbecriptions
and,charitable sermons, only 300 t) children were
taught, and one half of theirs boarded, whilst, by
the lusts' p1Hn.,30,000 might he educated. He stated
that the t enstees, who were generally tradestnen sup-
plying the schools, were unwilling to nitre• the
mode in which they were carried. on. With these
schools the How could not interfere, but he
hoped that the pnblicatioe of these particular a
would attract the notice of the Subscribers, and
would induce them to watch over the conduct of
the Trustees. It appeared by the returns tinder
Mr. Gilbert's Act, that, even in 1786, the funds
for charitable institutions amounted in Loudon to
150,0001. and in the country to 70,000/. The
Committee above stairs was an excellent engine,
but it could not 'administer an oath ; and to, call
witnesses from the country to give their testimony
would be attended with an enormous expense.—
The only effective way wits for ParliaMent to send
a commission from place to place, anti to invite
Into abuses. This was what the Committee recoils.
mended, and What they conceive would prove _most
iondecive to economy. He recommended that the
commission be paid, as otherwise they would be less
:Mider.thecontrool of Parliament. It was the opinion
of the Cammittee that some steps should be taken
-to supply the deficiency in. the means 9f instrue-
tioii'm the metropolis.. If 're grant were to he
made by ParliaMent, he wished that it should not
•be annual: it might be sufficient to build school.•
Norris, arid voluntary subscriptions would com-
plete the establishments. It would also be ne-
cetesary to keep clear of , all sectarian spirit, and
to let no class of children. pass neglected on ac-'
-count their religion. But this he was assured
would be the case, by the increasing liberality of
the Establishment, and of Christians of all other'
denominations. lie concluded by moving that the
Report be allowed to lie on the. table.
Lord CASTIRRE4G/T :complimented the Hon.
Gentleman rthr -the able and unprejudiced manner
in lye'whit:6 had presented this Report, and the
clear. views which be had taken of 'the subject.—
With these be was disposed to' agree. It was evi-
dent that the Hon. Gentleman Must have devoted
a large portioniaf his valuable time to the import•
ant inquiries of which he had now brought for-
ward the result. He conceived that it was the
duty of Parliament to carry .a diligent inquiry into
the general state of the charities of the Kingdom,
and to apply the public money ia such a manner
as not to dry up the sources of private bare-
valence.
Mr. Rosa spoke in favour of the establishments, '
and joined ir.the tribute paid to the, exerti,ons of
the .earned and Hon.. Gentleman. , • •

Mr. PEat repeated the results of the inquiries
snade by the, Commissioners on this subject in
3reland, which, he was happy to say, had been
most beneficial to the rising generation in that
part of the empire.
Mr. WROTTENLEV expressed his opinion that
filene was nothing which called more loudly for
the imetposbion of Parliament, and he trusted
the Bill now pending tin this subject in another
/loose \you'd meet with a different tate from thut
'which attemied it last year.

Air, NVILIIRR FORCE thought there should be a
person officially appointed to examine into the
management of the Institutions periodically, and
report tl►eir condition to Parliatnent.

Mr. ClAwlttgo having had no knowledge of the
existence of this committee till what he had heard
this night, could ,only say, that he felt a strong
desire to,see the /Report in question acted upon
bdt be wished it to be printed, that the minds of:
the people Might be famillarisett to its contents,
nud.that they might ascertain that. there existed
in the country foundation on which a saperstrtic-
ttire might be built, that might produce ultimate
and general benefit. He expressed-his highgra-
tifieation at the advantages which' most be pro-
&teed by this system, being satisflod that the foun-
dation of good morals mnst be tail on the instruc-
ti,pn of C;c people.
ATTWINEY-02;4611.81. was 'in favour of the
publication of the, Report, which, ha erns of opt.7'
Pifinool,l be highly - bentfteial, if its content*
%,4,:1-c-clrculate',,l at, the 41yroachi,ig Assizes, Where

those who could facilitate its objects woulti have
an opportunity of peenilitg it. ; .
Atter a brielconversation between Mr. Barclay,
' MOV.:Smith; General Thornton, Mr. Bsbitig-
ton, and Mr. Brougham, the Report was ordered
to lie on the table, and to be printed.
Mr. Brtouousst then gave notice, that early
next Session he should bring, the suhjeet before
the House, by mos ipg that the Report be takes)
into consideration. . . .
RESIDENCE- OF THE 'NVINCESS CITARLarrE .AND
THE PRINCE . OF COBURG.
Mr. Hustussost said, that as he was not aware
that any difficulties would be started as to the
propriety of providing a proper country residenc&
for her Royal Highness• the Pritice4s CharlOtte
and Prince LeOpold, liesit 1!
oua. not have octaSioo
to occupy much of the lime of the house on the
present Occasion. In &inside/log the subject; two
modes of providing this residence naturally occur-
red ; hieratic was that of the libisirions Pait oc-
cupying one of the royal palac'es, and the'other
that of purchasing a 'residence tit 'for theiraceept-
ance. Now, even'on thepiinciple of economy, it
appeared More expedient to purchase this residence.
than tt fit up,one of the royal palaces with that
view: Accordingly -‘an "agreement. had been
made that GO,oool.should be paid for the purchase
of the• house and detitesn es of Clermont, a Ida
most be well known to malty GentleMerf:' The
Board of Crown Lands had, directed Otie'Serveyor
to value the lands, farm-houses, &e. he:19:1.101.g to
•this property, and another to value the Mansion
and their respective reports formed the ground-
work of the negoCiatibit: The valtiatiOn of the
farms,-farm-houses, and park, es given hi by thd
surveyor, - was 36,2001. The quantity of land
alnottuted to 350 acres. The value put upon the
building by the other surveyor was'l9,oool. And
here he might observe, that the mansion was in
the most substantial state, fit for immediate resi-
dence, and afforded every accommodation requi-
site for a family of the first rank. The 'inrveyoe
estitnatett that the expence of erecting stich a
building at the present. time would not amount to
less than 91,0001. The whole of the sotri,which the
surveyor proposed should he given for the mansion,.
was 19,0001.; and when the,. expenceattendiug the
fitting upof any of the palaces for any of thebranehes
of the !Oval Fatuity was considered, together
with the expellee of keeping them up, he thought
that the House would deem the purchase of Cler-
mont the more economical inetwore of the- two,
particularly as the nubile would be relieved from
all further expence on , this mansion while it be-
longed to the illustrious Pair, or to eitherOf them
respectively, Altogether the valuation of the
surveyors %vas 115,2001.; and upon the conclusion
of the bargain, which was conducted in the most
honourable manner by the. proprietor, the sum.
sigteed,to be given for the whole was 60,0001.--.
lie bad to add also, that .ttie furniture was
taken at 60001., so that their Royal High-
nesses were to euter upon 1 he occupation of
this property witholt any farther trouble or Outlay,.
He had now to state the mode in which it was
proposed that this'expenes of 66',0001. should he de-
frayed. By the eet.for the redemetimsof the land-
tax, the Crown was enabled to sell certain poi:
tions of the Crown lands, and out of the produce
of these sales it was proposed to take the sum of
66,0001. which was to he paid in five successive ,
instalments, at the sate of 12,0001. every year till
the wlmic was paid up: He remarked that this
appropriation won't! bring no iocouveoieuce on
the. funds destined to the redemption of the land-
tax ; other small portions of laud would be sold ;
and he added, that the'whole annual value to the ,
Crown alike Crown lands which produced thissem
of 66,0001. amounted only to about 3201. It was
proposed, that this purchase-, when no longer oc-
cupied by the illustrious Pair, should revert to the
Crown ; that, in fact, t hey' ehould only have a
lire interest in : it ; and in this view, the .es-
tate, as compared with the Crown lends, for which
it might in soutelle,,r'ree be considered as exchang-
ed, might be looked upon as no bad purchase on
an iinproving lease. The manner in which it was-
proposed to grant the estate, vas to settle it neon
the rripcess Charlotte
.end 'the' Pripet!. of S'axe•
Coburg for their respective lives ; and in the
event of the decease of the latter, and the Prin-
cess Charlotte succeeding to' the Crown, the es-
tate should revert to the general.mass of the Crown
property; but supposing her Royel Highness
shoull.asceod the Throne previous to the death of
the Prince of Saxe-Coburg, then to revert to the
Crown whenever, his decease should, take place..
He felt persuaded that, whether this sublect were
viewed strictly es aft economical meastire,,or with
a reference to , the iniprovernent of the estates of
the CrOwn,' it was desirable: to ratify the agree-
ment which had been: entered into.
.ile eonclutl7
ed with moving for leave to bring.in a Bill to ra-
Wyllie purchase of the Clermont estate, for time
residence of her Royal Highness the Princess'',
Charlotte, and his Serene Highness the Prince of
Saxe-Coburg.
Mr, BARING was. glad to hear that, an abode
had -been fixed upon imitable to the dignity twit
rank of their Royel Highnesses; and the only..
question he now wished to touch upoa was, whe-
ther. an advantageous bargaio had or, had not
been made. The piVerty was now to be por-
chased, for 60,0001. ; hut perhaps his Right Hon.
Friend was not aware, that the seine estate had
been sold to a Mr. Dawes, at Garraway's Cnlree-
house, for 10,0001. only. He was ready to ad-
mit that 'a great many years had elapsed.since that
safe lied taken place, and lie had no doubt but
that the estate had, since that period, been greatly
improved ; tint he only wished to state. it as a very
curious fact within hie. own knowledge.' 'net e
was another point to Which he, wished to allude,-
at he had understood the night Hon. Gentleman,
on a former night, had stated' that the purchase
of this estate would cast the Public nothing, be-
cause it was to be. paid °tit of the crown lands.--s-
Thie assertion naturally attracted his attention to
the subject, end it appeared to hint that 'much
Waste arose fiotn the circumstance of so Much
land. retnainipg, upon the hands of the Grown,
which :night be turned to v much better an ac-
count; and he bad been confirmed in that opinion,
whea he just, now h ..1 Id from the Right Hon.
Gentleman that the w hole rent of the crown hinds
which ti't're to be applicable to the purchase of
Iris einite of (.30,U011, villi:e, did not 'amount to
. wore than .3::0I. a-year.' He was very far f.- via

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tr.ishing to encroach -eithernpoll the dignity of
the comfort of the Crown ; but be 'realty did think
that it would he more 'advantageons, as :well as
just, it,sti much of those lands as were. useless
were disposed of, and the tnney applied to some
public sereice.
Mr. Husktssow wished to. correct a misrepre-
sentation which the Hon. Member,who had just
sat down had attributed to lont. He denied that
he had -ever said that the purchase of thiS' estate
would cost the public nothing. What be bad
stated on a former night was, that he should have
no occasion to ask fen a vote of any sum in a
Committee of Supply, as there wei7e'funds to en
.able the Crown to buy it: without any burden up=
On the public. As to the observation made by
the Hon. Member, that some of the crown lands
might be disposed of for the public benefit, he had
to state; that the crown.' surveyors had been di-
rected to make a return of all those estates whicb
Inight.appeat' to them most fitted for sale, with a
view to apply suet) monies us might be thereby
produced to'other More useful purposes. He bad
never beard that the estate in question had ever
sold for so•small a sum as 10,0001.; but of this
he was certain, that three or lour years ago the
same property had been bought in at a sale for a
sum exceeding that which it was now proposed to
give tor it.
LcaVe ,was then given to bring in. the Bill. It
Was brought in, read a first lime, and ordered to
be rvad'a second time time to-morrow.

Lord PALNIER4tON obtained leave and brought
in a Bill twatitend4he Act which passed this Ses-
sion, relative to the powshinent for mutiny, as_ fat
as
,regaided• the transportation of ollenders.—
Read a first time, and to be read a second time
to-morrow.
_The CHANCELLOR of the EKCHhQUER obtained
leave to bring in a Bill to cotitin,tte the "Clergy
Residence Indenmityßill for a time to be limited.
It was brought in, and read a first time..
The CHANCELLOR of the gxcnactuEit obtained
leave to bring its a Bill to vest the 'Eight: collectiOn
of marbles in the hands of the trustees. of.the Bri-
tish Museum, for the use of the public. It was
brought' in, read a first time, and ordered to be
read-a second time to-morrow. -
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE4UER brought
in a Bill' to defray the annual charge of any loans
mule in the present Session of Parliament.—Read
a first time ; second time to-morrow.
The Stage-coach Bill was reported : to be read
a third time to-morrow.—Adjourned at -balf-pait
Eleven o'Clock.