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'legal is Why was it not said that those petitions
tided from en unlawful assembly ? When the
ntnittee was formed in i Bug, Lord Fingal was
be Chair. Was it intended now to criminate
Nobleman I Was it intended to attack the best
telsof Ireland, and of the Empire I Men
oho
uniformly laboured for the general security anti
TineiS I Adverting to the Catholic Committee in
Win, he declared that, in tie sincerity of his
r!, he believed them to be a most eitellent and
Idispowd set of men Among them were matey
i'
eig laayers, influeeced by an honourable ,m_ tat which lie rejoiced ; and on the fruits o
'll Ireland and the Empire would, he trusted,f
''ley have cause ,if congratulation. In that Uoity
,11;41 l'e found, many itidiveluals of the warmest
I'g t end moil `P e"did I aitai men who
'ntnents :
Wit one day be qu 'lified to be come the te g •tslatotst
their country: Much better was it that the yoe -
le-
t hre of such
mind, should be alloaed to etaPni
ein harmless, though-animated tionne"ce, III"
wet to the
MI wanted by the strong arm tit Po • 1
tli,
vern or the mine, it should produce an cli :1 ' .
el to tie eoteley, jt was the privilege ett
.sou
clit te be sometimes violent—to be SOlTletlineS,
414 i i but it Wes also thrh.privilege, in ally 't,
ioteexacerbatiotis 4 bleb tended to no pubf,c evil
)be eruteell Lfrom those pettalsies to which guilt
lalle "gill io be halite. Ile hoped that there teas
sine:tits:lllou the nett, of Utak:tit Government to
lope
`'"Y measures. It there were,
'" '' use oaele le address his Royal Highness the
`u!'ec grigent, to command Ministers to foi bear.
l
'ell would it be for the Empire, it the cause of all
u; of tie !Nit Government were to
ie
.41" ''' a knee trout g Secrutgry of a Catholic
'4ll`llittee• He feurea these difficulties had .a.
.eeper seuree.....it You have disqoalilied," said Alr. :hraolina..ti," a great portion of ourl fellow subjects,
' r'Y You, taxes, and who fight your battles, aril tl'inte the high
tglatled °tames of the State. You have
appalledappalledyhor eqti,lia. It it to 110 purpose th:li you.
hitch ' the Cathelic Committee : the 51)".." Dy
that Committee is actuated will break
.out in
unto shaae less temperate aud s forbeal
erg.. Until
L
oil
rentuve Muse disqualifications by which y'jti
ve'
ill lielinid, seek a pert of the community be-
Div the level of general aocielY, nature will assert,
tti.il will endeavour, to teeoeettet rights. The Irish
0-iia°lic w,ll never be satisfied while lie is less
, Ynir'elvee. That any attempt has been made
~^eep him so, ii the greatest error of moderri
tritisit Gverements. To the Irish Catholic inr,,entlutl'iv recommend temperance and ' forbe,nr.
e,--a•
,The time wol come, it must r owe. v. wia
"),0"4 will have biro sitting A ltil you and voteig will.
u." he is no fighting
lor yuu„ ,wy ,
bylvt;.„PttiEet,, advt., thee to the observntion made
so„ nVit Hun. Gentleman oePwle, that the
denied-c"iaters to the Catholics could not be granted,
t dist there was any such bar to giving their..
iff:lttlitiotial privileges eo such a large pillion I tell't "4444'4 W*ls. Her itisisted, that in Lmon-
al 14,1 D the pene.p'es Sa hicli • raced the Pilsen:.
thclai Nile en i he-Throne, the dee!arill case o„f.
ivert)Ple and of the Parliateent, on turY, subject of d
ll° Putilic itnporetoce, 111USt be law. tee entered t,('lsa history of the origin of tite Convention Law,
! Illilllllllteti rent -it was rut Act adreeed by the.. latith Pdill'utrent ie 1 eea, tor the sole: purpose, ott,
el" ling a Wiliiiira',!y (which wa.l then steted t
1141' ° 4vrlltrow the Govermnent, and to dissolve
~ie cstieeteno between reef mid end this country.
li Tie the question, he fuethat law could be
:1:1111et,;thle to the present circumstances ?, It
,wast'
the "'town, that iri conserprenee uf the exertiot
isbo
cel'eaillulic Committees, extensive and vete
_lie) til,444His had at different times bee,' made.e Oil
its' tit his ',Majesty's i'rt'set't Ildisi‘tlisi".
(e'i'leb itshLetalh°tic Committee of Poulin had to te-
zeti;;„"cruer, in the existing state in atfaira, the
ist f-'l,l, ot the Irish Cet holies Should at that 111.°-
i/is:net. " Persevered in. Mans co!tsiderali"" In'
ten:. the Corntnittee to wish for aid in the dele.r-
ta t"titt°n of i hie question, and they naturally requit-
Ile' al aid from the different counties of Itelatid.--
en; Preeedetits• of former times jestilied then) in
teen Proceilang ; for at set oral periods it was ill
short4d to attach little. importance to the
tiraii bY the Catholic Cuitunittee,. on the
petit tons.
grout)d,
%ill .I)eY dld not proceed from the great body or,
- '"cs ill Ireland. h. 1755, it had 'lee"
Y al '
stated
of t gilt Hon, G, lutetium, that from ig counties
eilLkteleat there was no individual who signed the
leniu!lie Petiliun, and that no Catholic Clergyman
0, I'gned it ; and it was a,,eee, how, therefore,
(::: Petition Cotild he termed the Petition
.of the
rill„ Ireland cf Ireland ? Willi this expetienee, lt• was
thew that the Catholic Committee should wish to
ito`wthat they were suppot led by the greet body of
rent, So
in Ireland -a ith one common eons._ hots'
~9('' tar front coneetsing that tee Cathelivs off
e 'l4l were lieble to 'ally imputation, he was o
tiauPlilioa that 11 • - ii uil the circutn-.
,_ , . . le.lt LLD th- . . .
i_...,
_,xls.
ed, ••••• or irritatioteeo which .they lila u.x, t I
....
.11 entitled them to the 'eumitlerice of 'GovertunieT
te'ret of their Petitiotis had been rear ct'd' • the
‘vtilniltster
ee told them that tfie point for which they
less, y eL'uld net be conceded to diem. Neverthe.
privil'elnived as they thus wete of the constiokional
aveilea to which they fiat felt they had a night in
111-tini ' . I,* i • the LAI pur-
tuta with their leslow-sueivo-s, • --.• • to
the 4 a course dictated by an allocate attention .teertkiPles of duty. Was nut such a body de-
nte ".got fat better treatment than that GoVern-
altlit should lake'up an absolute Act, mid search for
rp:eatts of supplying to them its peoalties ?
ee'lleral LOPTIA, gave the Honourable Gentleman
.
tin°trioved the question now before the House, it,-
Iviiie credit for the manner and moderation with
thelvt *ll, he had done it ; and he could have wished
hid „,.." night Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Grattan)
lute "16nel himself merely 'to that question, and
opt:at made the observations he had respecting the
ttrideSsed state of the inhabitants of Ireland, as it
netted I° mislead that part of the House not eon
Iv4ied with the country. The fact was, that there
of 041% an iota of differenCe between time situation
and tite great majority of tire inhabitants of Ireland
,nripteir Protestant brethren, or between that de-,
tegin„° c't Persons and the lower class of people. in
them "``,. 'that they had the same laws to govern
tee: badtne Sinte advantages. ender those laws; that
u...7c_ , their forty 'shilling freehold", could sit
virl_". 34riC11; and, in fact, there ryas no talifer'ence
aQuaute.iver between the lower class of Pruttstanis
tu•et deectiption of Cathelics; that %Lela! were
---e5e5ee,,,,,,,,_.„,_.

about thirty-two .office* of State, %Welt the ea.,
eated Cal holic was also competent to holds—dud if
they took the same oaths the Protestants were ob-
liged to take, they might hold them ; that in fact,
the oppression., of the was wit tin their
own selves, within .the country ; lower he rents and
add to the daily labooter% w,tges, and then they
would uudersi Ans. wh.tt Cat ,aaic ,_Emancipation
really was ; :that in respect to the Con.cnttun Act,
it aas au 'act arising from the necessities ot
times, and not meant to be acted upon but in
cases of necessity ; that the discontents of lrelatut
could only be removed by her native Gentry, who
might do mute good than could be hope ! from Ca-
tho.ic Emancipation; let them lower their rents and
raise the wages of the labourer,,for the high rents
alid bad wages were the evils most complained of;
and that of Catholic Emancipation the in ,jority ot
the pe6ple knew no more than they did of whit he
was uttering at that moment. The Duke of Rich-
mond,,he aided, had shewn every possible atten-
tion and kindness to the Catholics, but that it was
his duty to interfere when the country was in
danger, or supposed to be in danger, and not to
wait until their plans were completed. limier this
impression, he should hope the Citancellur of the
Exchequer would at prtsent refuse any further in-
formation, but he trusted ere lung we simuid know
the truth.
Sir H. MONTGONIBUY said, that ever since he had
had the honour ut a • seat in tle-..t Holoie, he had
given all the support in his povi7c4 to the claims of

the Catholics ; .and it was his ambition to continue
to then" that support so long as those clai,ris were -
brought forward in a peaceable and constitutional
manlier. It was, however, ooe thing to support
their just claims to a particiihhion in the blessings
of the Constitution, and another to countenance
pretensioos.noi :Omitted to, or sought tor by' any
other cl:n of' his, ALjest'y's sobjetus—pretensions
which, it athniited- by that House, shortly
go to anoihdate the poWei of Parliament
.Toere was no difference between the right of ciatots
on the parr at the Catholics ot Ireland, 'and that
of the English Catholics. see no-reason
Why a ConkentiOn.of Eaglish•Catbuites Should not
assemble in Great Brikvi; if such .assemblie. wets:
allowed to nicet-elsewhese. Would ic, however,
he tolerated by that House, that such Pariiatuent
sliotihi be eraablislh:d How, •could the," be
satisfied that their discussiens would he eonfitt:-d
stiojeds purely relative to this own pathe•stlar
.ationi, Toe Catholitn, tilthoth not per-totted to
sit in that House, had many friends %,:thiii those
walls, rvlAny of their advocAcs wet e:t unit th •se
wo.t tlistitigusned for talents and respectability.
Thy were also suppruted• by a large pat t. of No•
bleioen and Gc:totletneo, who heret.loi-e 11.0 assisted
them in. :hauling their lb,tit:ons. With 'tli,se ad-
vantages he It.ought it quite unnecessary to adopt any
°the; mode for the attaintuent ot;:theouject of their
• wishes. He 1110130 W thC Irish Goverproent
.were
entitled to the•thanks of the House wild the CAtn-
try fur thet. conduct in the present Instance. ,11.11
the measures taken been longer deferred, all ellorts
to avert the threatened evil would iu all probabi.
Inv have proved Vint, anti a body of men might

ave' who would have givco law to

kingdom.
Sir J. NV,VPOIIT observed, that the Hohourable
Baronet who bad' just sat down li.itl said, the case
was one which admitted 01 to tlrlay, mid loat the
Government of Ireland was enthled to the thanks
of the Loontry, tur tie measures which We beiNi
punned. Ninw, it' it was a case which admitted of
no dewy, how happeord it that nothing had been
done till 'the i 2th of Februaty ? The letter has peen
published ;tell-eland at about the ond.:le of Janoary,
and much discussion had at that tittle taken place en
the iitiestion, whether .or eut it would be be si to
withdraw that loiter, aod submit the subject to the
aggregate meeting. Thai letter bad been published
its the Newspapers. How then could it be Un-
known to Irish Govertumni t Was it not known
that Lard Castieross, son to Lid Ken,uare;
.had
come nom a .istant part ot the country to sit as a
Member of that Committee ; With such intoraid-
tufty, how was it that the Government ot Leland,
ing paused front the middle oh January 'to the
11th of Febreary, should at length issaie.thiell a gir-
cular order en its own responsibility ? How Will it
that the information received by Government
could be such that it ought nut to be commie.
cated to the House, while it was oh such a iiiiture
as to warrant so extraordinary a pioceeiling as that
which` hart taken place) The Right Hueourable
Gentleman had deprecated the tone in which Irish
matters were discussed. On this subjed he would
say as he had otten said before, that those e ho' were
aggrieved had a right trecoMplain ; and when a dis-
position was manifested as at present, to oppress the
peuple of !rased by reviving obsolete laws to de-
pr;ve them of their rights, it became those who cue-
sideresi thonisslves as the guardians of those rights
to speak with %vaunt!) ; and they were the best
friends to this country who earliest c-slice attew
twit ut the House to their grievances, and pointed
out the mismanagement ot Ministers. With re-
'sprit to the Duke of Richmond, he was in some in-
stances entitled to much praise, yet had Ireland
many insults to complain of. Was not the making
of one Learned Gem. a itiglit Honourable Gentleman,
immediately atter he had peen denounciug the whole
body of the Catholics as a traitors, the passing of an
Att to curtail the means of -educating their Clergy,
the appointing an Hon. Gentleman to a high osten-
sible situation, who was particularly obnoxious to
the Catholic body, &c. Were not these galling
sults wantonly offered to the Catholics of Irelaed, ?
As to what had been said of the system of toleration
which had been aded upon, and the conciliatory spirit
evinced*by Ministers, he would say, that it seeking
to a& on such a principle, they must necessarily
insult the Cathplics,. by placing in a high situation
a person by whom they had been most insulted
and traduced, - both in his writings and in Parlia-
ment, why then had this been dune it this evinced a
spirit of-conciliation ? With reseed to what the
Gallant General had said, that there was not an iota
of difference bet ween the situation of the lower
classes of the Catholics and their Protestant bre-
thren, he woolen ask it every catholic ought not to
be able to hope as well as every . Protes,ant, htiw-
ever humbleins situation, that his son might pos-
. sibly one day become Lord High Chancellor ? Why
•- ought net every lather be enabled to entertain suet)
a hope, with as much appearance of reason as it
might once nav'e hwti indidged by the father ot the

present; end other Chancellors, who, very much to
'he'r credit, had risen from humble situations in
life? Why showd a Catholic be denied the hope
of raising himself as another Noble Lord had dune,
who origieally had been but a Wool-comber's sett ?
An Hen. Batonet had expressed him 'sell content •t hat
the Committee should remain as it was. • That,
however, was not the wish of Ministers; they de-
nounced it altogether as an unlawful, or, what, he
should wish to know, was the meaning of that patt
of the letter of Mr. Secretary Pole, where he stiles
them, " An unlawful Assembly silting in Dublin,
and calling themselves the Catholic Cemnaiitee ?"
The Hon. !Loreto here detailed the hiqury of those
proceedings which had.caused the circular letter to
be issued, which, he contended, were caused merely.
by a %vist to take the general sense of the Catholics
on the question, whether or not it would be proper
to present their petitions to Parliament in the pre-
sent Session. The iibjeCt was to colled from those
m the' landed interest, whether or not it was proper
the subject should be at present discussed ; andhe
should have thought it would have been the interest
of Government that it should be so taken into con-
sideration in surd, an assembly, rather than referred
to an " aggregive meeting." The leialt Govern,
ment had, however, thouget it best, in dader to pie-
serve the peace, to put an obsolete Ad in force—
an At never before ;Idled upon—atrAel passed by
a higotted and intoleraia Goveturreeit ; an Act piss-
ed in the time of Mr. Pitt, the result of spleen anti
of disappointment. That Act, he e ould observe,
had led to the abolishing of the Irish Porliament ;
and he warned them, kat reviving ii, they com-
pleted the ruin of, their country.
The CHANCELLon O 1 the Exciter:vett thought it
couli not appear that any thing had been done
which .•ast a primftfaie censure en the Government
of Ireland, so as to render necessary a lull investi-
gation of the circumstances which had influenced
that conduct at the time. He much regretted, that
tadiettever such discuss;ons took place, a great deal
of mater g d introduced, likely to keep tip that
spirit of dissansfittion in Ireland, which had tnrir-
ornately shewn itself in the instance which had
called for the measure resorted, to by the lush Go-
vernment. He lainented he ciinstant practice of
Gentlemen to
,give glohmy representations of :shat
they called thiedegroded state of [relate!, He la-
mented that Gentlemen should studieuely latruer to
keep that feeling of discontent alive, at a- time when
no immeiiate good could possible -be hoped trout
ii, while it might lead to land consequences. Ou
every discussion relative to the `milers of Ireland
they were constantly told to look at the distressed
state of that country, and telieve'it by granting that
for which they h id been pet it ioned, Catholic E:eau-
ciliation. That it was the duty of Gni/ern:nem to
leek to • Leland with. the utmost solicitude, he
reatfily admitted ; but • Catholic Emancipation; he
contended, could not • afford Ireland the relict it
required. always'bringing iu this subject, Gen-
tlemen • soniet imes forgot • their oe n arguments;
and e hat was advanced in one instance ape eared
tit vireince with. that which was Staled in another.
He agreed with an Honourable Gentletteni, that
the disturbances avh:ch had lately taken place haC
nothiog to do with ; yet , though this was
admitsed by Gentleman otiposlie, 'when these were
spoken of; y were • c aisemtly spoken of as
evils to be cured by Catholic Emancipation. The
intereais of Ireland should always' he attentively
consilered by the House: but it did nit tollm't. that
the Hose saould take tee same view of the subject
as those who were/sewed it to be in such a deplore-
ble state. Others might differ friani those Gautle-
men on the Catholic question, se.t, hunt being entity.
of neglect or indeterence ; and he, for one, thought
the Mettgllte rop.sed by an Hon. Gentleman would
not be likely to benefit Ireland, 'unless it went to
establish the Catholic on the. loins 01 the Protestant
IL-legion. As to the Convention which had been
about to be called, with ti,e view he took of the
subject, had it been a Protestant weeting, the ante
aneaStlreS would :hate been resorted to. It wris the
offence committed the- law, which was in.
tolerable, and which had called for the intertelence
olGovernment. The question the House Would
have to consiaer was, whether any prima facie case
had been it out agaiine the Government of
to call upon them now to institute any thing
like a Palliamemary Inquiry on the subject. The
AO alluded to, ielated to meetings called under pre-
teece of Petitioning•in bodies and conventions. The
Hon. Gentleman' who hind begun the debate, had
spoken at the Irish Government as having been
" rummaging in the darkest parts of the Sta-
tute-Book, in order to find : the meting of turn-
ing' their vengeance against the Caiholics."—
The Honourable Gentleman .had surely read the
Statute. In the paper which had caused the Irish
Government to eutorce it, there eas proof Onit it
was nut considered as ohaulete by those who drew
up, that paper. knowledge of the law was there
expressed, and an intentioe of contormiog to it. He
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) should have
thought the force of -the arguments of Gentlemen
opposite would Have failed in their endeavour, to
prove that there existed in the letter evideaee of its
being their intention to avoid olfeeding the law.—
He expected it would hate been said, it was utigev
serous to suspect them at intending to violate the
law, when so much Cate appralett to be taken to
avoid giving offence; but instead of this, the talYes
had been turned on them, and the law spoken of ay
obsOlete or unknown. New bow was it sunken of
in the letter, to' near Gentlemen out in this tiald.
tor' ut I In the letter the following visage appeared :
" The Cummilee deslre to add,i hat IV lite law as it
. now stands, maspeaies of, slelreation or tepresentas
tion can be suffered' to take platx, nor can any per-
son, without a gross violation of the law, be a tepre-
seatative, or delegate, or ad under any nature as asi:eusr
presentative. or delegate. Eneaged as - ere in a
struggle for legal and constitutiunal rights, it
duty, as well as inclination, and decided detertnina-
. tion, not to violate the spirit, nor even the letter of
the law. It is at ihe same time to be observed
that the law to which we allude does not interfere
with the subject's undoubted right to petition Par-
liament, nor of course with the only method by which
so large a body as the Ca:holies of Ireland could.cou-
cur in tiirwatahng a petition." 'Phis was the stew
they Wok ut tile ,law ;etiti after this, will) the view
they took of the subject, it was impossible to say
they were ignorant ut mite, law, or lowan( that tt
was nut to be btuken. Ile would ask tiny man to
look at the letter, lard say 11, it wet° not intended to

create it body of the description of those againat
which th, Ati was intended to guard, %%hilt a en-
deavoured to evade the letter of the law?, The tol..

lowing passage might make this more evident : " The
Comtnittet being entrusted with the petition of the.
.Catholic Body, feel it' incumbent on them to state

0 YOU, their canvidion of ti►e imperative necessity

of an increase of their number•, so that there may

be Managers of the, petition conneeled with every
part of Ireland. -It is highly desirable tha- the Come
mince should become the depository of thecollectiVe
wisdom of the Catholic Body that a should he able
to ascertain, in older to obey, the w'ishes, and clearly
understand the wantsmil dick Catholic felkw-
subjet,ts.7—Now iw steoukt be glad w kn,,w if a re•
presentative body coal be better described than in
he words of, that paragraph ? But the Right Hon.
Baronet had said, they • were to be called merely •to
Consider whether or not the petition shOuld.be dis-
cussed. Now, if that were the sole object they had

in- view, why was it necessary r•) mike a-cepbsi,ory
of the eolkEtive wisdom of tar Cath,,lie Body?"--

Why were the persons to be named a 3 " Mangers,“
to be such " whose avocatiOi►S require, or leisure

permits their perrnaneni or cccasioual .cesidekice in
Dublin ?" It they were to inert, with but one object
in view, in one solitary instance, would it have been
so necessary that its Mrmbors should be able.to re-
side in aiblin ? That woulil not love been. neces.

Nary, had they not had other vicws, •which calms
within the purvie v of the St,iiute. He now wisatd
then) to see how this Convention was to be consti.,
lute‘i, in order to ascertain, if a doubt could be twit,
as to thch being weds:4y such as it was the objtfet
of the Act to suppress. They had proecede;.l to.
,:•nforc& their former propositio:r in the !allowing

terms This is the more remisite.at:t4e pteFent.
moment, whet) there Ippear3 to he so near a pros»
Acct of complete ; and the Committee
arse &my:need that, II eii• etnaneip,,tion ctm 110 W ,be.

relartled only by criminal apathy or neglect amongst
the-Cotholics thetubelvei 'lneybeg leA,e to suggest
to you the propriety c,t appointingren Manager* of
petttion itt your county, sic now Once
so+ vivors of the persons who were Delegates in rim

year 1793 : these persoei are already Constituent
M tubers of the Committee, tied as such, Manage's
of the petition ; so that you have to ,appoint only,
seven adaitional Managers..--Now, the Coital:1)11;m,
at 1793 wilS precisely of the d.scriptioa which:the: •
Act was intended. to put down. From the rdention
made of those who reuiaiued of the Delegates it was
ebvious that it was the object of the Committee
to hive their numb, rSti:led up with persais of
lar principles and having similar objeas ,in view.
This then formed rx it-31y the' Case witielt the act
was 'weeded to meet. The question before the
was, had the act been miscoostrued, and if • .
it had not, a Nether nbt it was expedient to curly
it into effect in the present instance ? lie thought
he had proved the legality tit the Mt, and-proved-
that ibe•Catbolic Committee knew it to be a legal
measure. But it was said, if it was necessary to en- .
force it at all, :1A by hid it not been enforced at an
earlier period If the Committee were uriginaly an
as.ierribly, it ought tint to have permitted ; anJ
if nut, after having been- allowed to sit so long, it
ought not now to be disturbed. This depenec.t
cir,mns;faticcs. qimtilitnl was nut, it tbe deie- •,•
gateS Of 1793, and 18iiG,
trolls
the ,
Dublin, were to be considered as funnies a legal
;assembly ; but whether or not, when d e Catiio;ie
etnhatitiee assUmed the ,authority ui I.,A.llitg their
writs (is it had been.,well 'explessed J,y• an
G.-nt. in the course of• deb lie), 10 4-.0142;3
.I.oget her
320 ad lit tonal representatives, I,olcWlg thi. langwge,
the que•Awin was, whether, udder sues eirestiostanct
iii it asaembly, which, though illegel (if they
five it se), had been winked at, and propel ly
ed at, should not be taken some melee °, wlien they
proceeded to act in a manner different to at hat-they
acted in .before, and when their, proceedings %tee
ttkely to lead w the most mischievous Conseqssetues
When the Hon.. Gentleman said care (mot to vcs ,
taken not to damp the high spit it of tta: Irish, te,tt
perceived that hewas not unacquainted with. the
mimic of the discussions which :al token p:ace.—
They were highly ifillatumatory, and had b. en cir-
cula-ed all over the country Stith great activity.. If
the information he had on the subjesa front the Irish
Government was correct, and that it was be bid no
doubt, not only were the steps taken authorised by
the Act, but, bad they not•been taken, the. Admi-
nistration would have failed in its duty. Now, as
to the lenity which it was said should bedisplayed in
putting this asSehltly down, it might perhaps be sa-
tisfactory for Gentleman to know, that it was likely
in every respect to be so on the part of his Grace
the Duke of Richmond ;. and that such was pre•
cisely the effect of the instructions sent out to him
by the English Govettiment... The circornstance
was much lamented by all, who were' its office,
and most particularly so by the Illustrious Per-
sonages at the head of the nation. With such feel-
ings, Ministers had stilted to the Irish Goserament.
" that it WAS their confident hope- and expectation
-that every degree of mildness mai lenity Would be
&hewn in putting the law in force, conatsteot with
the public security." The legality of the proveed.
log, lie trusted, wad established to, the s.sitstit,A.ii
of eves)? one, en the docutreants now before the
House. To give snore at prtsent, would be' .to
shake the atathority of the Government of (Ireland
in a mantier which would be productive of chewy-M.-
est inconveniences. The, i-lon. iientietnao bad
stated, that the Irish Governmeot had made (.tat a
bad case, and that he wished for wore infatuation
that a' oetier might be furniahed. In answer to tine
;questions hielt had been asked, Ministers had'
'answered that they had two documents which they
:thought would be sufficient to establish the •legality
'of what had been :done; but he conceived _that
it could be thooght .14 no one ',.that in bring-
log forward these, they brought 'forth the whole,
defence of the Irish Government. The procitic
;tion of another dispatch could not alone do justice
to the motives which had induonced.their conduct.
What bad been produced, proved it tone a cont.—
plete legal act, and he thought there was a 'strong
presumption that it was a 4itie,expedient, tempo.•
eta, rod lenient tnea,ure. Ttntt which , had been
most
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awed whit muse rigour and interfered before. lie
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ormatron, it would fee se. n that necessity'
step
to betaken.
con Hrel'gtre7 tthatoed
t~e;ressitylu, manner,
that it was not intended to impair thi nwht

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