The Sun.
London, England, 1842-06-04 00:00:00

nto Committee

3rn the S4e. tse2
further reduction

petition from thil
ha same effect.
g_TER %al he °sir
iion for the stn,,
Sugar Duties.
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.',lrrtid,.,,,the Right Hon. Gentleman, there is the inter-colonial the seiner duties with a view to their alteriatios, Ile "A.l L
- - ~rh "''Ple to support, which being interpreted into or Mary boaeher,•) recollected that when he Was in Liverpool, three
e' _ -bilaegY, meant that the people of this country were to tay stems ago, a very respectable deputation wetted upon Lim, with
ego Te,test Luria. proprietors two millions per annum. Was Lord Sedenham's sp••tech in doer hands, And with an eepreesion
Ip7o ei nese of Commons prepared to tax the people of England of great alarm, they sail that they hoped that lie Wks not going
0 7"o" per annum Orr the tenefit of the West India to adopt the plena of his predeeestor. ile was nut able to give
. l., let,,rs? Oh !it was not for the benefit. of the proprietors,but them any satisfactory assuranee of thin, and the gentlemen lef
'of the slay
thie , es, of the inhabitants of the West Indies. Ile denied him anghing but emotion'. He recollected that when the
entire:together ; it did not at all benefit the slaves ; it went Right Hen. Winkelman the Member for Portsmouth brought
; .. ae 1Y into the packets of the proprietors. And now he" torw"rd hIS prep eition with respect to the sugar duties, that
. • ,i'el to that shadow of an argument which was pressed into tee Cha,ceiler of the Exclempler said, tha" they were taking the
z_wrirke of gentlemen oeposite for the purpose et bolstering 'interacts concerned by surprise, and he could hot, therefore, help
making th,s statement to the House of Commons. He then
.-7 q sinister interest. He always observed that when swine
thought it necessary to give the West Indian interest breathing
albissel•er interest was to be supported, a plausible kind
time, after the great cap riment ef neg,i•c• , mancipation; brit
9:. argument was generally resorted to. Thus when
the time was. now come whin, in justice to the people of this
• trowAes.esanted to keep up the price of bad timber, they were
count, ee•-on ju-t!ce even to tho•e protected interests them-
aht`m their navy and their mercantile marine, and to keep up
s
' - Is,/,.....19" sugar, they were told of encouraging the slave trade, salves—it tea. right and fittieg that the Parliament should,
he would say broanily from the statement of those most
censider the subject with a view to its alteration. It was in
v:rsant with the subject, and who had taken a
met part accordance oith this opinion that the Government, of which
Oe'n
in the Opposition
l he had had the honour of being a Member, brought forward
. attee, to the slave trade, that all their qu•xotic
• their proposition last year. hat wh:ch, unfortunately, did not
~,--"pt, on this subject had been attended with mischief and
meet wilts 'the support of the. Legislature. He thought the
iterwith
good. He would state 011 the authority of Sir Fowell
reeetos which existed last year for this step, existed with the
• 1,, -on, that the importa•ien of slaves into South America,
• 'same force now. It must be recollected that this was a qui t-
ireen not increased, but that. there was a large, exportatien
; lion distinguished from the other interests in the country.
gint:eu Africa ; that they bad not preventee the mischief of the
They had had lately alterations made in the commercial
portetiee -
system fur the general betrelit of the community ; but still
• - •• When the French people thought they had got a
mere 'id in they . could not hide from themselvee the fact, that
• meth ea their revo,ution, they tried their propaganda;
Raieto was then a great outcry raised asetinst it; it was certain protected interests had been deprived ot the protection
• ele„,neV had no right to force their notions on other come- they had hitherto elijeyed. He held filet 'every interest they
• .. Anti arid to become the Quistmes of the earth. had so effected, had a right to complain, unless they dealt in the
lee" " a matter of argument what was the dif- same mann". with the sugar producing interest. It was on
• ceege.e between political' relations and. social ones ? this ground the the complained of the course pursued on the sub.
imse'r 'persons formed the op nion that the slave trade seas ject of the Corn-laws which applied to the prohibiting
soe, le''Ont• He agreed with them in that, opinion. He duty on sugar. But they were told that the present state of
the sugar Lade, and the present prices of sugar were satisfac-
„CZ with them that it was immoral, and ought to be put
vitt, ' 'But there was another opinion he sleeted in common tory, arch that they might rest perfectly content to leave things
fles the propaganda of France—that it was no part of the ha.. •as they were the preceding year ; that no great practical cvii
• her,e,e)::_f 'me nation to propagate any opinion, as a nation, on , could pessillis• recurs by delaying tha alteraticn of the sugar
dukes. et least fur the present year. He must say, that when
es a '•• The reason he said this was, that if it was once admitted
he looked to the figures, he did not find that those figures bore
toseePtiaeiPle, there was no line to be drawn where they were
-- • theirs out the statement of eentlemen opposite on this subject. He
row 1; If to-day they put a stop the slave trade, toonor.•
began with prices. The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Chaneel-
eY Might put a stop to slavery itself. The sea was not
lor of the Exchequer, told them that sugar was at a low price,
.. alid.te and to assert supremacy thereon was as wild as if they
He (Mr. Labouchere) thought the fight Hon. Gentleman
. tie lc the Americans that they should put down slavery there.
must have spoken rather in his capacity as We:t India pro-
thseuteieeee that by stating those opinion's lee was subjecting
than as Chancellor of the Exchequer when he said this;
'OW Ito much imputation. but he seat too accustomed to that Prieter, , etnindit Out it certainly was not at all satisfactory to the people of Eng-
little-ea - "W. After a speeeh delivered by an Hon. Gentleman
land.. He (Mr. Labouchere) supposed from the statement of
neeiggard to the mode of proceeding by the Government on
• WoOlect of the Corn-law, he, did not think he was unchari- the Right HMI. Gentleman, that there had been a great and
prices. He (Mr. L.) found that from the Gazette
yet an believing that this cry was laid hold of as a con-
sudden fall in
t`
of the 25th of May, the last week, in the last month, that the
egeties one for the purpose ef exciting, the people of this country
'ruble athe late Government, and taking advantage of a very price of West India Muscavado sugar in hoed, eas 395. 51-d.; at
the pe"m benevolent feeling which pervaded their bosoms for the same period of last year, it was 385.e11d., being rather more
' heifer
ertose of furtherireg a particular party.—(Hear.) He than is. pier t-wt. differ, nee in the corresponding period. He
would takes wider range. He found that in January, the ave.
bee that if those' ditties were maintained it would not be
rage price was ttis. 10 id., February 375., March 395. 2id., he
' bogieeee the Government did not believe them mischievous—
April 38s. Hod., and in May, the first week, 415. 10. ; so
• tad e.oe'„r!ee they were not mischievous—in everything cruel
pateie7o:ll -
Ile to the poor--but because they were bound as a that it would appear that the whole of this year's prices had'
ranged high, and that they were not satisfactory at the present
"tee, !he Phrposes of party, and for saving, apparently, their
moment. There was also antiV,er point. He held this to be
• • Cane
.iatistency, to maintain them.•—(Hea,, hear.) He now
the result of the plan on which the sugar market was supplied.
40, . -04,:ekto his original position, and he ached the Committee
There was now continued violent alteration in price, but extend
:.:* it Right Honourable Baronet to point out to him
the market and the effect. would be steadiness of price. But
epee} wls that the benefit in prospective which he
what lie considered as the more important part of Slits question
to induce the Governments of South
was, the actual price of sugar in this country as compared with
''entearniea'to namely, IYeviith him in putting down the slave trade,
the sugar in other countries. By that would be shown what
for. t Y. justilitation to them or to the poor of this country
were the burdens on the people of this country by meaes
The 111.,1 Right them to the amount of '2.000,000/. per annum ?
of the sugar lag s, and the great disadvantages they were
. IN 0e.g,4 Hoe. Gentleman said that it could not he the inte-
under compared to their foreign rivals. He believed that
i stained ru'is country to admit foreign sugar, till they had ob-
Porto Rico sugar might reasonably come into fair
lii, the guarantee for the suppression of the slave trade,
competition with British Indian Muscovado sugar. Now
•Ng countries from which we were to derive that sugar. He
the price of Porto Rico sugar he believed at this
rv,ith.te (*beck) believed that if we were to consent to trade
moment to be about 19s. or 205., being as nearly as possible
there these People, we would have a more cogent influence on
one half the price of West India sugar of the same quality. Of
• the Right n Ise could otherwise have. It was remarkable that
course the difference between 195. mia ,IDs. w s taken by the
the
'kercee dbtage to be derived f withholding commercial in- Prohibitory syst, to nee the supply Mid consumption of sugar.
•le 'eurses with from
The next point to which the Chancellor of the Exchequer
• °acn, n those people. Those who argued in favour of
dare ', on the ground that it prevented the horrors of the adverted was the probable supply of sugar for Ism present year.
• • 'leate_lee e, only showed that misplaced benevolence . was as He told them he was quite certain of an ample pply of sugar,
"Yree-Yebs as malevolence in its effects. He would conclude and that there was no fear but that the people would be abun-
evt -,veleg that all dutydantly supplied. He (Mr. Labouchere) had not the saint,
'. 'He dut on foreign sugar be reduced to 245. vet
means of information as the Chancellor of the Eechequer had ;
- ' ;The eg •Y eta colonial sugar.
:Ate. Getesitoe.aer having put the question, but he had, however, attempted, by theta means as he had access
; relative ~"-IF-tON said that he would not go into the question to, to corns to some conclusion tin the question, and from these
Chance: the slave trade, or to the policy laid down by the he was not disposed to form any sanguine expectations. of the
supply of sugar. He held in his hand what he believed to be a
fir, ely t".. of the Exchequer, but would confine himself en- supply
statement of the importations of late. years, and he'
earupciJ.he two propositions put forward by his Hon. and
fount" that from the West:ll-macs there came in the- film first
Land eetth,vll^hd, relative to their going to the cheapest market,
mouths of 1e,41, viz. from the sth of Jannary to bile. May,
'boar •-•-Would be the effect of the resent measure en free
'title,
I._tn the West Indies. He did not think that the propo- 814,000 cwt. of sugar; and iii 1642, 240,000 cwt.
was
came.
He found that, of Aitemetrus sugar, in 1841, was imported
gibe+ "Add be the means of reducing the ,ices, as the sugar-
te,R.: ag countries would impose a duty upo the export of 303,00'd curt. ; and, in 1642, 244,000 cwt. Of British Indian
;pis; untnediatelv the sugar theee was a still more remarkable falling off, for, in the fest
t‘'S respect' present
.competition was abolished.
four months of 1841, the imeortation was 4843,001 seeel. ; and,
co_ to the West India slave asantry, our abolishing
in 1842, 296 000 cot. during the came period. If they com-
• ti umetition must necessarily reduce - ,es
ntee.• GLADSTONE said .t
h
o
u
htheiri %N arzal
pared the quantity ot sugar in bond Which paid duty, and was
"tee eMtnittee was to go into the ugestti q tonleugpe(nme the motion ofof
• feeling
introduced for consumption its the first four months of 1641,
with the same pelted of 1842, they would find a small increase
dio.esight- Hon. Gentleman opposite Thie was not out of
in the presissit ever. In 1841, the amount was I,loe te 2,b00
. oree Peet to the Hon. aid Learned Gentleman, but his motion one 0
cwt. ; and, in 184') the amount was 1,146 alai , so that it
of a peculiar nature, length, which
• thaps, few going a great
re ro Members of the Committee would follow. •he was quite clear that there had been 1 large drawing on the
the po,htlernan said the onus was laid upon the Chancellor of stock,' and it was obvi•.ue that that stock must have been dimi-
:zit -see•cnequer to show why the re,ention of the sear
a nrshed, by 320,000 cwt., since the last year ; and that what-
_ • oueht to be supported against 'he rules. -of ever would be coneurned this year of course, would make the
e)logeee - What were the rules of trade ? When stock so much less than it was' les,t, year. He also found that
•11 ''`v- was a. producing •
vi.,_ _ interest at home, it was affected 'his was confirmed by a document which was ehtilled to consi-
luedety on a competing •
country. In France Germany, deration. It was the circular of Mmes. Truman and Cooke,
47,7 America, the duty had been considerably increased. who we ee • 1 ed hi • -I, ' • information.
He . • g nera .y eupeo. to into.. accurate
-"ot think the Honand Learned Gentleman-•
Zle!leg, _
fwdthese imaginary rules to exist to which he had re- overland despatch to their correspondent in India, and doted the
sr-Trert. A Strong Protective•
bird - Gentleman' d t sleet
up, • e on. thee? tee t
kith
it would be most, inconsistent in that
House suddenly to extract from the Circular, from which it opetaged that the
withdraw_ that protection, '
as proposed by the Hon. Gentleman. stock since the same time last year had decreased to the amount
,lie did not Think the
' rs.:. of that C •
Hon. Gr neleman could find a dozen Mem-
Committee who would be moment12,000 .
of 12,000 tons.) Therefore it • dthat 'stock at that
appeare the
in extent. He was prepared to go to such was less than thecorre• cl•period of the year
spun ing . .
sure the desire of some protection in the before. He (Mr, Labouchere) could not help remarking the
of sugar Was as great as the desire for protection in any altered state of the
abet article. He could not think that the House was prepared site and those used last
used by Hon. Gentleman ep.ii,ao••
I_llt.tite any exception to all other general rules, so sudden as seemed to have is _
__ year.—( Hear, hear.). T.h y ,I .d.
prgsed all the arguniehl-s they could into then
4,J.f. n. Gentleman proposed, in favour of sugar. service. Fur inst•ince, One ale last -
i }ear was that they
"e't COll '
(the Oppositio ) ' Ltltnet't inhabitants
t . DEN said that ene of the main objections to the ii were eareful of the interests of the
q 4asal of his Hen. Friend
,__ (the Hon. _Member for Bath) was, on the banks of the Amazon, but they forgot the interests of the
. , •
.ek. they should not, by abolishing the duty upon hundreds of millions ' laniou sugar, afford ns of their fellow-countrymen, who lived on
aels,_ ragement to slavery. But the opponents of the the banks watered b th G es That was the ar ument
propo- . ,
last . _ y e ang . g
1%1,nd-tot carry nut their own principle,f '
or, under the system u.ed 3.ear, but it would not do new. They had heard tha t
ev4fa notv existed, and which they were advocating, we trafficked w,.hielh would be entirely incontinent with this argument fronts
t;‘,lthe Brazils and otherriro__.cummodities. iiticgurintrtia,ssvixhose produceh we exchanged emeenrtcoameropposite its the course of the discussion on cern-
eahr sa
dwpaidieh classed,,hoaodoo o ; goodifolr subjects,titcse because these monopolies were not even
?feetoeindsl to 1840 inclusive, During
country 'who were said to be benefited by them.
lottiate% auger than it would have paid if we lad been enabled' He was told that interests had risen up under those pro-
Pareek, beat in foreign markets. Now that was as nearly as testing duties, but those interests would soon find that
r the a their foundation
• ,b. °goo mount of the goods sold during the period in
oo___lttliteth:Jhe inhabitants of the West Indies ; and they other reason why he thought these sugar duties should
r7liteg--`aliere conclude that they would have lost nothing b„ not continue. He referred to the Bill introduced by the Right
li‘-'Nese A,. . . time• J Hon. the ViceePresident of the Board of Trade, which would
,Les t.fade in sugar, and at the same making our
make a very material alteration in the West Indies
regard
beiTonghnct, ent of all the goods they had purchased from us,
--'cril -he ill csed b his Hon Friend the Alem- to the cultivation of sugar—he meant the Colonial Palsengers et/ki„ atho c auge prop ,y_ . .
Bill, It bore a close resemblance to a measure he (Sir. La-
-1 of justice. It
,bsoeikcitibot ws:ldfordedhupon
lei every iiitraidnciapce
peculiar
elaim houchere) had had the honour to introduce, and he felt that
.1111.4eeeentether cotunattryt, feorctreymederived many benefits benefits from when this Bill passed it would be highly injurious to maintain
the.restrictive system in the We.s.t Indies, and, at the same time, tie!? s, a'irlifut with U. There was another vote for the
subject there to foreign competition with regard to the staple
Itir-re; eh cr which was to be paid nut of the taxes on the
.te•seito_ ere -,,..
ve another tax for the iie-bt-houses, and also article of the country ; therefore, both. on that account and on
,eeliter f • It. might be all very well for those out of trade not geec'ral principles,. and the
his
of justice to the West
Indies, he had felt it to be his duty- to introduce that measure,
eZeikarrb this, but tradesmen wished to know how all this
which he rejoiced to see had been adopted and brought forward
tie /' Theed' There was no plea whatever for a differential
cit.
• But, in doing this, were giving
i,e w_intan e
,„ u•acturers were ready to give up all protection, by gentlemen opposite.
an important boon to the West Indies. He found this
tne-7,oeei7 " undertake to bring the whole manufacturing in-
subject treated with especial attention by a Committee
fly la th,, e enuntry toogre to such aproposition, and they
,eek 1 hem _ . .
in . wh 1 sat u the West Indian colonies in 1831. He found
it . upon
4.% for it. He would, conclusion, only say, t, ste h0I,ed the„ would
a passage in the Report of that Committee relating to those re-
., toeh a shoe, .1 not persevere too long.
strictions. (The Right Hon. Gentlemanehen read an extract
•tee_ title " conversation the Committee divided upon Mr.
proposition•mared to reduce the duty to 245., when
there from the Peport of this Committee, from which it appeared that
''Por e, ;the annual charge upon the colonies was 1,392,0001. ) This was
.
4-eit Lon Roebult's motion
"st it
quently, every article- was a great price. Thfs was
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the t•tok 'I anainst the motion BO 41 not natural, for Jamaica,w-as not far distant from the Mississippi,
,toto:otioe of tiCHERE said he was not able to concur in and the Chesapeake. He trusted Si on, to see Jamaica, instead
Nsot hstree Hon. and Learned Member for Bath. He of being the dearest place in the world, one of the cheapest to
iv it t himself,after • live in. He then came to what believed the main objec-
t; tte7_ aetedii . 0 a system of protection. he . .
tion gentlemen opposite advanced to the proposition he Lad
tah,470.014, POn in this country for a great length of time,
:le eve.4,elite, Protection suddenly and at once. But the brought forward. He meant the encouragement it would give
otelOch_th-"anitsd truly stated that that was the principle
to slavery. Now he hoped he was not insensible to that argu-
tlottela,?he Ai always acted. He could not believe that any ment. If he really believed *hat it was substantial, however
tlepoolf he -heinotry had an interest in doing injustice to another much importance he attached to the question of these duties
;41110et'etehoe , the hat ...hat to be true with regard to the
mother being discontinued, he would rep:•fiee it. But he could not be-
_evealig 4" less d, would he apply it to the colonies. His lieve that the country was called upon to submit to this impost
-Nltl -"wYa
'i,!: le.ollo, ctions
h•een raido away with those monopolies fe?r the purpose ef using the ihfluenee-the
.influence
world,whch
h tno good .to any class.
ffiu
1%tte:1,%14 e al W4s to keep fori'n theg lan
ultimate 1 ;lien': a I,7lXUnsf tshiartitdhettelis%cbileunatnrd'esodoifoutshetr•
_wt,tr biles4l:lle,
as
an
artpt, uptih:ntprterant ttdhuctiedscton
(sittugiii.crrend
the slave trade. Ile could not. believe that they were traffic—
FM
Sst Itintit! 2041 e
per to 30s. 'per cwt., and yon colonial upon to make that sacrifice with this object.—( Hear, hear.)
r ~. se, a 41,,_ Per cwt. They had had an avowal from the He supposed when gentlemen talked of making treaties with a
,Itle.' 17ieteenf the Crown, that it was highly important the foreign country to relax the sugar duty, the Brazils was the
tarlitltlf ' hot bsenf consumption should be reduced. This prin. Place they meant. Now, what was their position with respect
thlfftoptetoo p 1 fully carried' out in their measures. He to the Brazils ? We had now a very advantageous treaty with
it? 4 that;l.tt.wita. nothing had been done to this end in the Brazils ;it was a treaty imposed on them when they were
tV;ol4!_lit oole!'ail been effected had been lamentably small. strugelii g for independence, and was almost too advantageous
col tet give in des would rather be by the indirect increase to this country Our commercial treaty With them was this: they
ttl/4411 ul* aro rnluoYment, than from any actual reduction in bound themselves not to impose a duty on any article of British
. ore !les et
t
produce, of more- t han 15 percent. ad valorem, and there was no
eira c i
as , _consumption. With the exception of
corresponding stipulation for- the admission of Brazilian arti-
ttele,ertO° .4to •no article on which, by substituting a
Ilse q t VA:the" the r could so materially add to the des into this country ; we only engaged to place their produce
flo fit's CosentO43„..oecPles • The price of corn would probably be on the mot. favourable footing we could. This treaty raised
Oetp,tettelifte'r" the charge of the law, but there was great irritation, in the Brazils; it interfered with all their com-
Vit.4ireet V.;nec between the price of sugar here aid on mercial concerns, and stood very much in their way. 'This
.147 othe ee '4less tome clear and solid rt•ason could be treaty expires, according to us, id 1643 ; according to them,
il. :w.,,,i--to,!=try, it Was the dutyof the- House to"make 'in 1642. It was undoubtedly of the greatest consequence that,
tsge ege "heir,,t to the engar duties, as would SPCille- to the before' it expired, some commercial arrangement of a fair ria-
le;qltVeeret a. 'Pate supply of an -article so, necessary to their ture should be entered into with that country. He appre-
hended the danger we had to fear was, that they would refuse
koltetYniehPof'derate rate; Before proceeding further, he
to have any commercial treaty with us, but would instead place
ekaltleeYeare "vett .the the history a the sugar trade for the
Ant • o*- II on a discriminating duty, which would be favourable to other
let - -eteeen ,P• to that period; although our own colonies
countries, but unfavourable to us. That they had threatened
ibioee'ot Yet 0o; the monopoly of the supply of sugar to this
to do, and he was afraid they would. He believed it would be
hy'mtht• hf Ihe,"-etgeally, the British consumer had not felt
very uneesirable to-put off negotiating with them till the
t;eoeToottieti7:. rnehnpoly, because the supply from the
ast mement ; and Honourable Gentlemen opposite said that
wttrii"Nuttie ''""ing- much greater than could be absorbed l
te, t•etr_atid I.,narkets the surplus was exported to foreign this was a reason for delaying the alteration in the sugar
47 ei:111..-by.i.i., be price in the British market was cense e tl, duties. He would meet that objection, by saying that they
it (setleP, hhe Price in the • • •• ` clu " 'would be in • favourable for negotiatingwith
, a more condition .
4_ .„ , ~,..._ foreign market. Within the last
t_tc.ekteZeite of the . supply from onr own colonies had the Brazils on es mmercial matters, alter we had made this
efhtie iith i.....n lid. , and the sugar cultivationof f • countries alteration in the sugar duties. Government would then be
ee4 'ill Our markets oreign „
lO3th al! . the Price than "ere scantily supplied. We paid free to act as they pleased, nothing could prevent them coining
41eGill 'ared evil' had foreign nations, and practically ex;'e- to the House of Commons, and proposing to make a distinction
'Ate, -It ' -uties e monopoly. In 1829, the question of duty with regard to count ies where slavery prevailed, and
me e oeleg
,th been brought before the House by where it did not. He did not say that that was a proper
k ',oft, -,tor,„_. , en Alt- been
t*t 1 n,.ltion .rant. and Alg Huskisson, me, policy, still it-would be open to the Government to adopt it if
• i essast I
spa; that the they pleased ; and he would say that if they wanted to make
te miti4" eel 01 tithe a . duty on foreign sugar should be
,tti,e ~o„ at the
Only difference which Mr. Grant and Mr. commercial prosperity, they would be in as auvantageous a situ-
N.,
4t teas-the ;r2 Make between foreign and British colo- tion to do so after an alteration, as they were now. If Ire
el. It I deed _ merence between 28and 90 the were right in the view which he took on thatof
s.
IN)
..,e7Cornpanied
ilte a „ph 4arat ion that proposal by a •most re-the arguments used on the other side relative to slave-grown
,i,
f. o. •'i:'2
ad of
nalnel, that Mr. Huskisson and sugar would fail to the ground. With regard to the West
Ptik alt 44 -go_ . the Cabinet of the Duke of Wel- Indies, they were told that they must delay this measure •; in
~,tt , , , the
that answer to that, he would beg to place the opinion of one who
%to tl °Met, and . proposal to their collea,eues
AO „b. ei twit . no objection had
whateverbeen was often before Committees of that House on questions of
c Pod top.,leet tmple which had
the W Italian policy, and•
)vest
see it), (,4544 been . been fully admitted, that '
lel tt.tri. kerlt a4jection inc of revenue, and that, on the ardent, the most able, and the most indefatigable opponent of
It': i h bat 'th --Ir. Gr Grant
proposition had been postponed negro slavery—he meant Mr Joseph Bevan, who said that an
4, .
tte•lt. e the, e, a had expressed his great disappoint- alteration in the duties would tend, so far from checking the
i he
___ nancellor of tl progress of the Colonies, to render them quite successful
•ot eloWdm'anie eefiee,, had le Exchequer, who at pre-
Although the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the
,_
tittoe
_ociels The
,„ not proposed some alteration in
tStyp (41se
el es,,, th'e not
Hon. Gentleman had opposed Exchequer rested his opposition to an alteration of the duties
44„ ‘l'utild °Mended fo groundb of revenue--he had admitted mainly on the point of the encouragement which he said would
timeyeh ehorrnit, that s• y Mr. Grant. He (Mr. Labou- be given to slavery; he also looked at it as a point of revenue.
11% ef rested I !sired, but tince that period colonial slavery. He (Mr. Labouchere) was not prepared to deny
yeti• the dg os npno.,.. he Chancellor of the Exchequer that some loss of revenue for a year or two
IN the duty''' wourd'ul°n now on theground that d must be expected, Oil] he believed ' that there were
Niettad e'''an d enc"rage the slave' aTe . tics
he ely e` 'arei "1' a digits t•
V I.4.trust rrelY that ob. c ion between slavery and the non, with a greater certainty that the . revenue would speedily
e.riee 4 1831 hire Cat, jection could have been urged as recover from that reduction, as they could on sugar. There
tilliti'eand • the ra proposition as against the ,resent was none of more extensive consumption, none of which the
't ee et seas giro, et measure of lio,teeiz., ir„„,Lgeneraily felt negro emancipation was • consumption had been more obviously checked by high prices
kr"' the eotettigi s'ately after that there ought to be an un- • than sugar, and there was none, therefore, with which an expe-
itt,\,
aiclist en
of
our
West a change had been made in riment might be made with greater safety. He thought the
tp '4 ikt' 11011 e Orb the workv• t India colonies, to do anything Right Hon. Gentleman was quite right in not laying great stress
f tite 11 id arl the mg of the new '
't lie ti ea 01 sugar duties system. On that on the loss of revenue. The motion he made now di&
en the at thremained undisturbed not feted from the motion of the Government last year in this. The
telne ow; sieve . e alteration
i•le 44f b *rade h of those duties would dut whi •h he roposed now on foreign sugar 305.,1
.. en- y . L .
.. was and on
11 ireg haat , reatein ~, ut from the n •
eke •ne a be i g tube to the • _ e.ceseity which existed colonial 20s. ; last year it was 3bs. on foreign and 245. on colo-
ski;ale -PPrebe epoch, on colonies, after such a great nit!. He need hardly explain the reason for that. . Last year
ikese. teguteetioe,Ved, wae th them by the mother country.. their object was to secure an increase of revenue ; their budget
'le 'kin '' gee -"g interf e solo and suffleient
. egv 144 -Uncl, two ere with the sit -•- • reason why was based on this, that they must receive a certain revenue
ft 'e *, Sr hte Years
ago, that he glee, duttes. It was from sugar, and they did not think themselves justified, under
tit lit'' etto.,• si:rn, Hon ion the Memb ‘f• r.
1.,,) resisted a such circumstances, in trying a bolder experiment than they
4,41_ toe, grog
~ • time, that he reetecnl.,,z Wigan, stating, did. .. But now they should consider the sugar duties under
'Nth " eeeo ". tor•hgre
• eye
.„ gel , , -,.,. bete ,e!,:tv ,
~
at ,
1., 0,
,17:: siti 7, . not , altered cireurrestances ; they lead got an Income-tax, and if they
1,4•• , tee, the le
wet? to have th,; tV•IS 01 au Income-tax, at least let them have
Ites ge,_
,e,,yeitra*--ouela that his A °hie .I• fiend °Yr'''.
"tmblota if ag distinctly stated to the Co Li"
toe oceeels ai i. ; ;got Moo I.,,,aiaet. -..a.y tiii.lt lie. liesil:-,,,1. the..t
Wollki be .bi , untr tax would be much more roductiVe to the revenue thahtine
- utery necescar .
y -0 COD d y R. 1 P
at er ig It Hon., Gentleman had calculated upon ;he thought,