The Sun.
London, England, 1820-10-16 00:00:00

110U3T OF LORDS-THIS DAY.

THE QUEEN.

The Counsel were called in at 20 minutes pas

ten.

Earl GREY immediately rose, and referrity,t,.to
William Carrington's evidence, moved that Sir
John Beresford be called in.
Both the Earl of, LIVERPOOL and the ATTOR►
NEY-GENERAL had no objection to the motion of
the Noble Earl, and Sir J oHN BERESPORD was
immediately sworn.

Examined by Earl GREY.—Q. Are you an 'Ad-
miral in his Majesty's service ?—A. lam a Rear-
Admiral.
Did you command his Majesty's ship Poictiers ?
I did.
Do you remember a person of the name of
William Carrington on board that ship ?—I do.
In what capacity was he ?—He was quarter-
master.
'Was he never required to act in any other
No.
Did he leave the Poictiers ?—Yes he quitted
that ship at the request of Sir William Gell, who
wanted to engage him. I procured -him his dis-
charge, and he was discharged as a midshipman
by Captain Jones.
At I to understand you to say, that Capttiu
Jones rated him as a midshipman, when he was
discharged ?—He was rated as a midshipman in
order to proezre his discharge.
Was this done at Sir Wm. 4l's request ?-7-f
At his repeated request. • •
Did you give him a certificate of his conduct
while on board ?—I did, for he was a very good.
man while I commanded the ship.
Was there. any irregularity in his discharge ?
While I was on board the ship, there never was

a man who behaved better; and as to any irregu.
larity in his discharge, it was my fault and not
his, there was no fault in William Carrington
whatever.

By 1177:5:0unt MEtvILL.E.—Are we to under-
stand, from what Sir John Beresford has said,
that William Carrington, in point of fact, was
never rated as, a Midshipman while you coin--
manded the Poictiers ?—Never.

Do you recollect, any conversation with Carring-
ton, at any time about rating him as a midshipman,
or saying that he was to be brought?—No.
Do you recollect his complaining to you, that
he disliked the sea service; and wished, to be
discharged on that account ?—I wish you would
let me tell what did happen, my Lord. After
Sir William Gell had asked me the favour to
sanction this man's discharge; I called to see him,
and asked him if he wished to leave the service.
He said that he had been pressed into the service,
and did not like it.

• Do you recollect of your having any correspon-
dence with the Admiralty on the subject of Wil-
liam Carrington's- discharge ?—I never had any
such correspondence, nor did I know of any.
If I had, I certainly should not have given him
his discharge ; because it was an improper thing
in Captain Jones, in discharging Carrington at
my request. If there was any blame in this, I
hope it will attach to me.

aiky the Earl of LAUDERDALE.—WaS it under-
stood that William Carrington was rated as 'a
Midshipman when he came on board your ship ?
No ; he was drafted, from another ship, on board
•
the Poictiers.

Was there any engagement or understanding as
to his being a Midshipman there, or did any such
engagement come to your knowledge from the
acting Captain ?—I do not know of any.
Mr. BROUGHAM here objected to the question.
Did it ever come to your knowledge, as Com-
mander of the ship, that any kind of engagement
on that subject had been made by the acting
Captain ?
The LORD CalscELLoß.—Did William Car-
rington leave his Majesty's service in 1811 ?
Yes.

Had he never been a midshipman before he
left the service ?--No, never to my knowledge.
Do you know whether or not Carrington re-
ceived a midshipman's pay during the last
twelve months I—f don't exactly know, but the
ship's-books will best tell that. •

The LORD CHANcELLon.---Certainly, the
ship's-books should be produced, as the best an-
swer to that question.
Did you not have any conversation with Car-
rington respecting the Thisbe, and at the same
time ask him for his papeTs ?-11 don't. remember
that, but I got him put oa the Thisbe's„books, in
order to get him his pay, and therefore I think
it probable.
At what period was it that Carrington was put
on the .Thisbe's books ?-11e was discharged from
the Poictiers to the Thisbe in. June or JUly,
1811, in order to get his pay.

•
Are you quite certain that you never gave
`►irrn Carrington hories of his promotion as a Mid-
shipman, while he was in the situational Quarte'•-
Master. ?-No.

Did.Carrington ever state to you any difficulty'
he was under, as to dressing and maintaining .him-
self ?—No ; for if
,he,. had done so, I should have
maintained him as I have done others, till he could
repay the..
Mr. Bitou6nikx here referred; to Wm.. Car-
rington's Opt' evidence,
..who himself had stated
that he Iva! not certain as to ,whether he was
rated as a Midshipman or not.
Ay the Earl of LIVERPOOL.—COUM•WiIIiaM
Carrington have understood that he was a Mid-
shipman previons to his leaving the ship?----/
should think: not.

• Did Sir John Beresford so act towards William
Carria
gton, or William Carrington towards Sir
John, as. for Carrington to understand that he
was a Midshipman ?
Mr. BaouonAN objected to the question being
sout
Sr jonN. BERE3FOR D.-My Lords, I should
like William Carrington. to be called in, when-
ever it shall be your pleasure' to answer the Earl
of Liverpool's last question. . •
The 134 RD CHANCELLO 4.—lt appears in evi-
dence, Sir John Beresford, that .Carrington has
twice sworn ppiitively, that •he was a Midshipf

man. It is an error, to .RS the least, into which,
I own, even an honest man might be led.. But it
is necessary for their Lordships to know what
was really the fact.
Did Wm. Carrington at any time act as a Mid-
shipman ?—He never did.
Was he ever led to expect to be promoted to
that rank ?—lie was never led to expect that
from me. lam going to give only an opinion,
which I think cannot be taken down as evidence
from me.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL here objected to the
giving an opinion by the witness at the Bar.
Mr. BROUGHAM, on the other side, observed,
that the question was whether Carrington bad
been given to understand by any one that he was
likely to become a Midshipman. In answer to
this, Sir John Beresford said, Carrington was
never given to understand so from him, and then
the witness was proceeding to offer an opinion,
which, perhaps, if heard, might clear up the
points.
Earl GREY hoped that their Lordships would
hear what Sir J. Beresford had to say.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then observed, that if
what the witness was going to say was not evi-
dence, it could never be permitted to remain on
the minutes of the House. But although not evi-
dence, it might certainly be heard. Sir John
Beresford had sat on Court Martials, and if he
thought that what be was going to advance might
further the ends of truth, he left it at his discre-
tion to speak or not.

Sir JOHN BERESFORD.—My Lord, I was going
to say that the first Lieutenant had so good au
opinion of Wm. Carrington that it is impossible
for me to know what expectations he might have
held out to him, while I, was absent. but I never
held out any, nor do I personally know that the
Lieutenant ever did.

Examination resumed by the Earl of LAUDER-
DALE.—Did you ever tell Win. Carrington that
he was to be on the quarter-deck, when he re-
plied that he had neither friends nor money to
support him there ?—He never told me any such
thing ; when he told me that he was going to be
Sir W. Gell's servant,-it was very unlikely that
I should propose' to him to be an Officer in his
Majesty's service.

This never past, then, before he went to Sir
William Gell ?--?ever.

Was Carrington ever on the quarter-deck ?
He never was on the quarter-deck in any other
capacity than as quarter-master.
Did he ever apply to you after he left the ser-
vice P—Yes, he met me about 3 or 4 years ado in
the street, and told me that he never could get
his wages ; when I replied that I would get it for
him, or I would furnish him with the Means of its
being procured.

• Did you go to Somerset-House in consequence
of this, or .write a letter for him ?--I do not re=
collect now, whether I went to Somerset House,
cr whether I wrote a letter for him, but I was
the means of getting his pay.
Did you never at any time reproach him with
quitting the service previous to his discharge from
the Poictiers ?—I remember once having in some
way reproached him, and expressed my astonish-
ment at his quitting his ship. He replied that he
had been pressed into the service, had never liked
the sea, and was anxious to quit.
By Earl GREY.—Was there any thing pact at any time,
between you and Carrington, with regard to his expences at
sea ?—Never.

Viscount EXMOUTH here wished to know whether Car•
rington knew tormfile what he wag.
Mr. BROUGHAM here remit; ked, that the answer would
not amount to evidence unless the %sinless were asked as to
the fact being to his own knowledge.
The LORD CHANCELLOR.—I apprehend that the Noble
Viscount's question should stand thus;—" Does Sir J. Beres_
ford know whether Carrington did or did not know how be
was rated on board the Poictiers ?"

By the PEENS.—Does Sir J. Beresford, from any fact or
circumstance, know whether Carrington knew how he wag
rated on hoard the latter strip?—Every man and officer knew
respectively how they were rated. But nut of 00 men, and
at a distance of ten years, it is impossible for we to recollect
the rating of them..

Is Sir J. B. certain that Carrington did nut know' that he
was rated as a quarter master ?—I should. think he knew it,
as he alwi.rs did the duty of a quarter master.
By the I)uke of CLARENCE.—Did Carrington ever mess
with the Midshipmen ?—He never did.
During your stay on board the Puictiers, was Carrington
particularly recommended to your notice by the first Lieute-
nant ?--Not that I know of ; but he was a great favourite wth
hint because lie was a good man, and he was very loth to part
with hint.

Where was the Poictiers during her first 12 months ?—The
first port wns Brest, we then went to Lisbon, and afterwards
to the North Seas.
Did Carrington come on hoard orißinally with a draft of
men, or when the ship was first commissioned?—ile waQ
'drafted to the Poictiers from the Majestic.
Was the Poictiers, while Carrington was on board of tier,
in the course of payment ?-1 think she was.

Will the ship's 'books spew that fact ?—Of course, your
Royal Highness is aware of that.
Where is the first Lieutenant of pile Poictiers now?-4 un-
derstand he iv at, or near Carmarthen.
Here the Duke of CLARENCE moved, that the books of
the Puictiers should he produced, as they were easy to he got;
;• hut Viscount NI ELVILLE thought that a certificate from the
Navy Office would answer the object their Lordships had in
view, and this opinion was coincided in by Lord GREY.
Witness did not know where Captain Jones lived at present.
Sir Jons; 13s.aesvoito was then directed to withdraw, but
leave was given lino to attend front day to day.
Mt. Rat lUGHANI said, that before Filippo Poole was
caljed in, he wished to ohser,e, If their I..oidships Were not
already wearied with questions as to bribery, that it
wag his intention to submit a few more queries to the
cutiseiCntious consideration of ii witness Riganti, ant he
most devotedly hoped, Ow the iityewacriot distant, Wen her
Majesty's Defend, rs WOOH beinfornied who the adverse party
was, because as the quern) at present stood, it would other-
-wise br quite impossible for him to proceed as he wished.
Viscount CA LI'HOI'PE said, that as the matter had been
mooted by the Learned Counsel at the liar, lie wished it to
lie now stated to their Lordships who the prosecuting party
- was to the present case. he considered the Crown, as the
Head of tie State, in a constitutional and legal point of
View, to he the prosecuting party. In saying this,
he •wished to pay due achkowlertg,ment to the 'lite
rality shewn by the' Noble Hail opposite (Liverpool),
which had deservedly drawn forth, even in this instance, the
approval of his political opponents; and flirt efore he hoped
:bat that Nothe Earl would avow who the prusrcnlor
yvas• He was induced to hope this, because the Nolde
Eat! had exemplified in his own eundoct, the great distihe-
tint+ to • be drawn between a Minister of the Crown, as
Head of the State, and a Minister of the King as an indiri.
dual. At the same time lie begged leave to observe, that no
party had so little reason to complftin of their want of infor-
mation on this subject as,the Learned Counsel for the Queen;
for %Odle- representing the prosecution as an invisible amf
undefinable tbirnr, they took all advantages of exposing the
artifices of aSecret Commi.tsion, and thus workino, on the psih-
lic mind. The subject was 1111 W Su fairly brought b, fare the
House, :hat he hoped fur some explanation from the Noble 1
Earl.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL said that he certainly felt called
upon- for some explanation in consequence of what had billun
from the Noble Lord ; but be was surprized that the sohject
had not been started at firi.t. He bad no difficulty in
stating how the matter stood with regard to the }Lute, thui

be ]ililLutt to Ttndnce tltt antiLly fr();-„tfP
Courts; Lot he would iippeal to their Lorihthips,
lrctrd the beginning of this eventful cause. It WB'' tbt
licved, on the 7th of June. that lie laid certain pal'e',l„‘.o
table of the House by his Majesty's command, re'3,o
the conduct of the (inert), while Ptincess of Widest:, tit
reign parts. The very first question then was, scdtl
papers were to he dealt with ?—He himself then pr 0.0,,
rater them to a Secret Corn/Mitre for their considerati,b
report, which many Noble Lords objected to, and thought
hr himself shot:rid have introduced a bill, on his ow" rnir
sibility, to originate the cause. After some time these 'coo
were referred to a Secret Committee, who made their ITePi upo.
them and the very day after he laid a certain nsib
he tah!e, for which he considered he was rese,b
still. Hight or wrong, inquiry was institute
do
r`
as to the prepriety of introducing the Bill, etit asked from what quarter it came. On the introd°
of that Bill the Attorney-Goneral was, as in such case'c,o,!
tiered .by t ite I imse t o proceed. This their Lordshir
testily was the course that had been taken, ;1 si
was conformable to practice in other cases. For that 131,;,,,
doubt caly he had no objection to the most trying l°4sditi
It was his fair belief at the time, that its preamble 111,1
proved, and whether it seas proved, was eyertna'i'd,e,
qwestiori for their Lordships to consider. He trust"thi
was uo mystery Ist all this, and at present he had n'
more to add.

We left the Marquess of LANSDOWN on his legs.

Two ,Cto,ood,—TWocl,oon,—AND VARIOUS
CAPITALS—ALL SIERLING MONEY.—ALL
HOURS,—ALL ON WEDNESDAY NEXT.

'Wznitle RETRosrecr, To-morrow.

ERRATUM.—III the Article respecting Mr. CooRE• Jiro-
SuN of Saturday last, instead of 4/antlered worth,
s/,,Adered.

PRICE OF STOCKS
THIS DAY AT ONE O.CLOCK. 101
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..i dyer Crut.Cutas 674i 1 India Bonds ....if;'• -lii
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THE

StILEM QVIS DICERE FALSUM .iuDir..4i •

LONDON,
MOSDAY, OCTOBEJZ 16, 1S0•

We have often expressed our censure of
conduct of the Public Prints in commenting tigabe
the Trial of THE QUEEN. and particularly °f
Opposition Journals, in their imputation of,
Conspiracy on those who were absolutel y obllget;
by the demand of the QUEEN, to bring her t"
open Trial. However these writers may attellfri
to cover this accusation, it can only be directe
against the Government, even including his
J ESTI% Nothing can be more foul, unjust, or
probable than such an accusation. Never 0114
forgotten, that if the QUEEN had remained a ill
or had, when she fevisited this country, rein's°
quiet, no Trial, most probably, would haVe 41. fk
'e;
place, rather than the State should be exposed te
party zeal and commotion. But it was impoisb`f
to resist the demand of a public investigatiO
her conduct, which we -aro willing to hope 4cll
prompted by the consciouness of her inuoc'°:
and we earnestly hopethat it will so appear 03 tl's
final result. But when we find that certain L9rot
echo the charge of Conspiracy, and that it 15
resolutely repelitA, and indignantly spurnei
,i?t
Ministers, though we are fully persuaded tlit
the charge is utterly false, yet we cannot
feel great surprise that they should submit to
with silent indifference, for they may be as:
cured that such indifference will not be Pte.:
preted into the proud contempt of collS''

innocence.
Boston Papers of the 14th Sept. arrive-

morning.

Captain HUNT is arrived from Sivanilla•
reports, that Admiral BRION'S squadron vo's,.s:,
ting for an attack o:1 the Spanish City °'l„:e
Martha ; that a Correspondence had taken 2, :1;:e
between the Spanish General MoalLco
Governor of St. Martha, also General Tor' v 6
Governor of Carthagena, and General
LTMA, of the New Granadian army, with ifi,ft,e
ral MENTILLO, of the Independent army'•
nature of the Correspondence had not tranPiretu
A flag of trace has been sent from St. Mart°,
General BOLIVAR at Barauguilia.

t 0
An honest Hibernian, hearing that /30"; r
slept under HEit MAJESTY'S tent; to prevt-'':‘ iE
from rolling, inquired with great simplicitY
he were Master of the Rots BO'
.Sorliebody asking " with what intent
GAMI was first hired Ocli! botherati°o,lll
said PAT, " dont you hear that he was ig

upon HER ALOESTY'S 'Preservation ?" r DiV
A wag, hearing of 1-3z-tuAim's ladder .0(0
rn
motion, asked "if it. was an accoowlri
ladder ?"
001
A Noble Lord asked if the QUEEN bad 3 Cr
OP
pardon to the hatchway--when a plain watte.o-0'
t
fact-man said that perhaps she thought ouP
pardon under the tent sAincicral if of
_Cous-Excu-ANGE; OCT. 16.—The
Wheat was rather larce this morning from Ess"
et the best , ft, ,dy sale, I 10f

.„e nest runs .r,u these Counties met ready • f
iilvanee of trolly Is. to :).s. quartrr on the prig°.
Nloutlay, hut the omit, wag de.iter than un Flid3";,;l1
ie
Purley is fill! per tpartur ;:ttti the inferiorgealitie6, tf
per quarter cheal,r, the supply' being much larger "301 re
demawl; Oats 3111.! 5. per otiaiter {liner, and sale: 3rter
Itea,y at that abatement ; New Beaus are also Is• Pc' 1,,0,
cheaper ;in Pea,. :tml her Sti icles I bete is Nio alterat' orr
MAP.K.v.:::" OCT. 16.--This 11).
• 7 ion
Marliet was e),c,•euini...ly ccell supplied with• a':
rjpl
Cattle.,.ttmonest 'vete a great number 01r J
scriptimis ; prime Beal, inaisitaiii last weeh'S.3rolortt°
The I-I ay-Nlarket remains as per list weeles prices
00
(Amer Ce
His MAJESTY left Carlton-house Pa.a,
Friday night, for his Cottage at Windsor.
is expected shortly at Brighton, and
protract his stay, it is said, for some w*el's°

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