The Sun.
London, England, 1820-08-26 00:00:00

Captain PECUEL called.

The next witness was SAmurr. GEORGE PE.,
CHEL, Esq.—Examined by the ATTORNEY-GE-,

NERAL.

. .
Q, . What were you, and where were you, Sir,'
in March, 1815 I was in -March, .1815, a
Post Captain in his Majesty's Navy, and had the
command of his Majesty's frigate Clorinde.
Where were you at that time ?—At Civita.
Vecchia.
- Did you there receive the Princess of Wales,
on board your ship.---J did.
Do you recollect who accompanied the Prin-
cess ?.--I ,do recollect many. of the persons in her.
Royal Highness's suite.
Who came on board ?—The - Princess, 'Lady,
Charlotte Lindsay,-the'Hon.Mr. North, Madame!
Falconet, the wife of a banker at Naples and her•
two daughters, Dr. Holland, and various servants.
Was there a person of the name of Bergami,
amongst them ?—There was.
In what capacity was he-?---A. menial Servant.'
Did he act as such on board ?.-L--11edid.
Were you,'Captairi, in tlidligiit o,f dining at
thesame•table with the Princess, while her Royal
.Highness remained on hoard on the occasion to
which you allude as ; the - Princess sat and
dined at my table. •• '
Did Bergarni .on those occasions, at dinner,
wait at table among the other attendant menial.
servants ?—He did.

Wher6 did you, in March 1815, convey her
Royal Highness' from Civita Vecchia :-1 con-
veyed her in the Clorinde to Genoa.- -••• •
Did you,on the vov age touch atleghorn ?—Yes-
Did any of the Princess's suite quit her Royal
Highness 'while' you touched' at-Leghorn ?—Yesl
Lady Charlotte Lindsay, and Mr. North.
: Was there 'a boy named William Austin
on
board ?—Yes. "
• Where did yOu sail froni Leghorn ?—To Genoa.
Did.you land the Princess there ?—Yes, with
her suite.
How long bad she been then on board
About seven or eight days.'
In the course•of the autumn of 1815, were you
Again at Genoa ?-1 was, in the month of August.
Did the Princess at that time embark onboard
the LeViathan at GenOti. ?—•l` -do*. not think that
her Royal highness embarked on board the Le-
viathan until the November following.
• • Were you•tbere then?-,---I'was...' •
Did you, .see the Princess, or confer-vith-bet.
between the months of March and November ?

I •had see:.her Royal Highoess in March; but
not betwen that time and November.'
Did . pi happen to see'ilir Royal Highness
when shewas about to embark on bOird the Le.
Niathan a Genoa ?—I did.
yakee her ernbarken board hat ship ?
I did.
How Adlitlik,Nme,4.4.4`Aie,aititm.yolo4;
ameirt-carriage, I recollect.-
Whcwa-s-in,that carriage ?—The Princess, the
Countess of Oick'Bergami; an infant, said to be
his chld,and I thinic:.goinebody else, but. I—do
not recollect the per Son.
Wlere did you go 'afterwards with the Clo-
rinde?—l sailed With the Clorinde ..frorn Genoa
to scily..• •
A what time dice yonarriVe in -si.ciri?-!•thave
menprandaof the dates ; may I be permittect,to
refe to therh ?
"IVr. DENMAN had no objection that the Captain
shoild refer to his memoranda; but though he
didnot object in the'caSe, of this Gentle Man, he
beamed his acquiescence not to be, taken as a ge-
ner.l admission.
taptain Pechell on rece.rring to his notes, said
tha he.arrived in,Sicily.ou the 7th Sept. 1815.
you.receive her• M-djesty aguin on board
the Clorinde at Sicily' ?—.Yes ; received the
Process on board at Messina.
.3reviously to that second reception of the
Process, had you any conversation with her
Itcyal Highness, or any
.conference with her ?
I Ifed.
Sate what that was ?—I- received a letter from
Mr. Ilannam, one of the Princess's suite, that her
Rotil Highness intended to embark on board the
Chrinde for Genoa."
t e AvroaN EY -G ENER.II,-I speak of the
Pr ncess's embarkation at Messina
e xpressed to, Captain Briggs,, the morning
after I arrived at Messina, the uneasiness I felt,
"at keeping a'table for the Princess' and suite on
boaril,in consequence of,q4e.change air Bergami's
situation. AntIJI sent hint to her Royal High-
netis, to say, that I-was ready to do every thing
in My power to' make her situation Comfortable,.
w on hoard the Clorinde, provided she made
ore sacrifice, Which, as;,a 11146.flie0;:: T. was
bound. to exacts namely, that a person
,named
Bervatni, who had, Nvlwn her Royal Highness
was last on hoard, attended the table as a 'menial,
I could not now think of receiving hint as an
equal at table Captain Brio-Lpid he would
see her Royal Highness. Hie accordingly, in the
course of the same day, -informed me that he had
seen the Princess, and had had a .conference with
her, and.that from her conversation, he thought
there would be no ditfitultY in • adjusting
whole ntalter.,, He added', that the ,'Prin•cess de-
sired to see me on the following day. I accord-
ingly Waited upon her on the following mornin;,
to know her determination.., !the 'Princess de-
clined seeing me, and desired Mr. Hannam to say
that my request would not be acceded to, and that
she in consequence would provide her own table.
HOw',,sp9p nfter did she embark on: board theClorinde ?L-.--Oti the ,6th,„January, or about
month after Captain Briggs'. communication.
Who accompanied heron bowed your 'ship ?---
The..Connt44s of Oldi, :I,,lergami, Win. Austin,
Sehavini, a child, said to be Bergami's, and va-
rious servants.
Where did the Princess dine her own
cabin. .
She *as three or four days on board:—ToO did
not of y course dine at the table of Bergand ?
Certainly not.
Lord (Ixroan from the gallery. _Supposing a
boy who had attended on me or any other person,
should become a Midship Man, and afterwards a
Lieutenant, would the witness deem it his duty
to refuse to sit at • table with • such person ?
'(Soine buz,, add cries of No, no.)
Loi.a Ltvintroor, submitted whether such a
question ought to be pressed ? He thought not.—
Hear, hear 1) . -

Captain TuomAs BRIGGS sworn.

Examined b,y the ATTORNEY-GENERAL.
Q. I believe you area Captain in his Majesty's
Navy ?—A. I am.
Did you, in 1815, command a ship of war, the
Leviathan ?—Yes.
Were you at Genoa in that year ?—I was. The
ship was sent to Genoa, to convey her -Royal
Highness to Sicily. -
Did .you take her Royal Highness and suite
on board at Genoa ?—I did..
By whom was she accompanied.when she came
fto.embark ?—ller
Of whom did that suite. consist 2:—ller Royal
Highness, Bergarni, Kent, Heitman, Schavini,
and several servants Whose• names I
,do not re-
collect.'
' J3O you remember her Royal Highness coming
to embark do.
Whq•carne with her ?—The Countess 'of Oldi.
Bergami, a child, and I believe
.four.others'..:
Did her Royal Highness.dine at your table?—
Always. , •
Did Bergami dine with her
.
\% larrang-ements were made for her accom-
modatiou ?-4 made such arrangements for the
accommodatiomof• her Royal,llighwiss anti suite,
as I.cousidered necessary.
With respect to the sleeping apartments
Where was the cabin of the,Pri,mss of Wales ?
—The after part of - the Leviathan was ,divided
into two 'Parts, one was' intended for a sleeping
room for her .Royal Highness, the other was a
drawing-room. .Besides those rooms there were
two other cabins in a line which I intended for
the suite, the Countess Oldi and females. The
, men I intended to put below any where.
• Was that disposition, altered by, her Majesty
—lt was. (Here the witness was about to speak
from a plan, but on the same being, objected to
by Mr. •Denman, it was put aside.).
Did the cabin of the Countess Oldi adjoin that
of her Royallliglines.s. ?—lt .
You saw the arrangement• was altered by her
Royal llighne-“
How_ fort.he ,COuntess Oldi an
alteration was made in.the.door, and 13drgami ova;
put in that cabin.

• . i
What alteration Was made hi tile door r---The
two small cabins had a communication with eacit
other and when the Princess came on board the
/
communiCation was closed up. Tlie door was
filled in between these two cabin and opened et •
another part close to the' cabin o her •II:oYal
~p.
14,611-ake t..,...V.
Ito rla io n , tin c,or app is
t°
`C".. T, -at
Bergami's cabin was uNtrzitiktirtobtiliac .r....tv -
Highness 2----4 t was. '
You have stated that Bergami: dined at table
with her Royal Highness ; hay.e you observed he
Royal highness walking with Bergami ?.----1 have
seen her Royal highness walk with Bergami• -
, •
"tiow•did the v • walk ?=----Arm .in arm. • 1 sa
them walking at Messina and Palermo.
- Did, you, .in consequence of a request froal
Captain Pechel of: the Clorinde, wait upon lit't
Loyal Highness ?--I.did. het
''.l.Relate-what passed _s--I. was to speak to f
,114iyal, 'tight-less about the embarkation, on board
the Clorinde. - He, told me .that. Bergami havig
been a servant, on board his. ship,..he could Or
think. of permitting him to sit achis ta,ble and .!"r
would be pleasing to him if I could mention it t?
her Royal Highness.. .1 asked her Royal High'
Hess's permission.
~to speak on the subject, and 4F
allowed me to mention it. . I made known Cal";
Pecliel's objeCtion. Her Royal Highness sa'i•
. n . ,
she did not regard the objection.. I had sat doso
to dinner with Bergami and Capt. Peellel iniil't
do so too.- . '• '- .- . .
Did you, .wlten•lier local Highness said ~°`'.,.
had
.dined with Bergami, make any observation`'
,
• • i
I said Bergami never had been a servant'on boar`{
my ship, if he had, it would halo been imposil)l4 k'
for me to admit him to my table.
.
Did you-communicate what pissed to Capta.;
°
Peeliel ?—I did. . 1
You left Messina ?—I did. '' - . '''' •
•
' In what month ?—The 1 I ...h of Decembs,r.
. Cross.exaniined by Mr. DEsmAs. 44
R. In the cetirse of cans ersatiun with Captain Nebel,
0,
you observe there had tleitit unite dispute about a torniier v,4
age t—A. Captain Peelle' told we as a senior OfF,eer, the it
ut 'conduct he Meant to adopt, • 1,1
Did yon not bear there-had been some mistake about tot,
luggage ?••=.ou her Royal- Highness's, part. it wii.s.said!l'
was mint sufficient accominodalion. -10
• Duet' it °cent to 'your IstioWledge whether the cabio 4
which the•Cmuitess'Oldi slept on, hoard the Leviathan 1";„„'
canon ti pication with the room of her Royal 11i4 hoes!:
10 -had.- - • : - ..- •
And both opened into the dining-rooto,?—liuth 010'7el
into the diming room.'
'•The cabin you prorided for the Maids of Hatioor. `'''.'j,
occupied by thein,and opened into the dining-roniu l--I'll'
Re-examined by the ArrottNyZvt-EttAL.
pi,
The civrincte.,wo a frigate, and the Leviathan, a litie%,
battle ship, consennentiv, you had inure room for acc,,,i,'''.
d ation than the Clor4ll—When Captain Briggs Was iii his c'.ii
at night, could any person.,pass to the cabin of her 1-L4'.:'
Hightless without being seen or 10,iird by Ilia, F—lt was 1,,•,
Bible, lint not probable, that any communication Conid tl:di,
passed at night withou. my bearing. ,I might
-have,,d•il
asleep, but I do'net think it likely I ~itoultl not have 11,•.tii‘
.any such communication. I had the constant care o' ,
&lisp-au-Me.'let
Pill any improper conduct take place on the. part of
Royal, flightless while she was on I.uhird ?--:I siutioac• id
liar! Grey—The otlicer of the watch bad constant acc,ll
yotir person ?d•-•'l tie °nicer of the watch hail. - -,,,, ...
And Captain Briggs was liable, to be called tip'at an)
anent ?—I was. ' •'. • ifit
- Was any light burnt in your Cabin ?—No.;the soldics
diningthe. rL.ie::(l:1:: I:),Eie:l:,(tl—' I;A:t:::l:lo:ll,l.;,,:l)e'uar:!ificae,:ii.i.rgis, ii"hildN toot ptish:issutuigri,,wf!': st,.l;t4
int"
it
• Cntiiyl t'ci lallei—i " N‘Nl:liiso iisiii..a. ipit 'a
111:-:lake (11iielieC:r11)::",,f h, r l':'';,il'l
High:l,as ?-IVilliani :\ustin was one—Licutenant itti'''''
slept below. ,it"
Had her Royal Highness the means of couilutihica'll4`
her ladies?-Yes, she had. ty4
The •Earl of ,Derby—,,Was thealterat ion made in the 4'
by the desire of the Princess of Waies lier•c it ?
The question was objected to, and not rstiswered. .1 i'( •
~ • Mr.,.oclintan then. risked,whet her .Captitio'Pee lie! 'l'l4'
complain of tile manner in Which her (lova! Highocol till(
gage was stowed on her list voyage",?-1 have heard 09,, '
Peelle! say the ship was lumbered with a great (inapt.' ,
baggage.. , . J i
. •
Lord Exmouth objected to inrririnie as to what ptloeeJ
tweenCaptaiti Briggs and Captain Pechel, in conso"°}. •
which Mr. Denman withdrew for that time his questioo”
. • Pietro Puchi SW7I 07.
ESalllilied 1)21 the So Li crro it-G ENte..-4.11. ,
Q. Dues the witness come fruni Tries! e.—:t. Yes. t$
What are you ?—I am the agent of the Grande Arlbc'''
'Trieste. tiP',,f
Does he know an inn called the Black Eagle.—Yo?
~t
What is the name of the inn at which you At: agi. ;
waiter?—The Great Inn of the ToWn. . 01)
Do you remember the Princess of Wales coming v'
„t"
inn 1-4 do. . lit,'
In What sort of a carriage did she come ?..--,A. 5103,
11
carriage with twit horses. 0'
Who came with her?-Signor Bcrgami was 'witlt her' '‘
ou any al her.person. ' 041
flow long is it since the affair happened ?—,‘“, °LI ,'',
years ago, ' te
H ,rtio-
o* lung did her Royal Highness remain at ,J
.
Six days.
Did you linow in what apartment her Royal IlisV'ti
slept ?-1 did. - i sits'
Did you also know the apartment in which Berg' ail,
,il,
'.--I did. . , . ~ . . e.
" i3g I
...\ .1. te r the Princess and,Bergatni came in one c7."-r. 'a I'
the suite come in' another P—They arrived in about 4 j
' :0'
after the arrival of the Princess. '
d-' cc"
' lido what apartMent did the berooms of the PEI'', ~,
rii ,
'Bergiuni Cpen ? Lei' ,J.'
" Air. Brougham objected to theonestion: 'File ~iii
Gentlematt had no right to assume that both tur l''''' to!,
open intrillie same apartment.- lic 0
101, ~tl'
...tiplicitor Civiteral to witness—lnto what place t ‘,,,i110
moist of her Ruyat.Hightiess open ? clic door was '
room of the Dante tr. flonnenr. t„W
-..' What was between them ?—The dining room. 'I, int"
Did the dour of the bed room of the lb incess oPe l'ill
dining room?—Yes, it did. ?/ N
-Didßergami's door open into that dining. t.1,)(117:g j'i° ,
room where Bei gaiiii slept opened into the room 0'
01,,
d'llonacur his sister, the Coolnesshe o'
'''' of
rivsides l'he bed rooms of tire Pi titres% and of ~,i,4 •
Oldi, was there ally oh her. dour that it d into the d" r, ,
100 e,
Vet, the door
('anit it It'd not. er ",tit
1 hat was the on!), (1,,,,e I—Yes, th..re Wne'fin -• I,_, ill
('" vote wheth'er that Alum-wit. fastened ~`
notF ?—it ws fastened.
rum the inside or without
Was it always closed at i?ii—llird."°iittil4.'"'i'l'iv., 5..1-"'Iti11311ii'll.
Princess rennin, d at 'Trieste ?—Always slifft 111) 1;001
ii
HOW tunny hefts wererthere in the room oh her I. d
~ 1)e
ness ?—The{e were two beds 11.1 e each other.
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Whatituinber of beds in 8e11,....;31111'5, rotten' of 00,
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Did you ever, in the morning., see Ber,!aini co e out
ti,
room into the dining town ?-1 have seen iii'm curl, ,c(
st
Princess's room. , .1131 f-e dt
At what time in the morning?—At. awn!t oily
o'clock, aid T,,i.P
' 1.-111 w often, during the stay of the Prioc;):10-0' v
Bergami conic out. of the Princess's room •
ffl
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.. 11es,ides that rolie what else had he on • --- ~,t,,0 •3•11 ,
Any sto.cliitigs ?—Sibietinics ' stockings. 'l_ e ',no '`
~,,
loans which had stockings also. I could oniPe . ill; ti''
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‘V.lien you.saw this, Was the 'outer door 0.
the ll'Y'
open or closed ?—lt was still closed.
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Solicitor. tiiitetAl.- Where did witness relimiri in the morn.
iu !—ln my own could •

room Where W4S your room *as bet Ween the corridor and
the dining room.
Whit were yOu doing at the door at that time ?---1' was
with my friend, my fellow-servant, to see that the breakfast
was kat ready.
Did you go into the room ?—Yes, abets they called for
breakfast.
Did you remain with the breakfast service in your own
room ?___yes.
And afterwards took it to the Princess's room?—Yes, I took
it into the room of her .Royal Highness when itwas called fur..
How did they Walk togethet, the Princess and Bergami,
In what way?—They wet e walking together, (or sitting); in
the hall of the Salle a Manger, or in the room of the Dame
erlionneur.
Did they walk together separately, or in what other man-
!ler ?—Sometimes alone, and sometimes the one spoke on one
Ilidep sometimes on the other. • •• • - •
Did they ',ass each other ?—They did not touch each other
as far as I have seen ; but they were arm Itt arht.—(A laugh.)
Did he ever see the Princess walk arm in arm with any
ether person than Bergatui ?--,-When the Vice-Governor came.
to conduct her Royal Highness, she gave het right baud to
bin], and her left hand to Berganti.
Did the witness make any observation on the two beds in
the apartment of the Princess, if both were slept iu, or uoly
"e
-?—They were both tumbled (or unmade).
Ask the witness whether he made ans* observation ott the
bed in the room assigned to Berganti I—Yes, he has.
• Had that bed been slept in I—Never..
After Berganti went away, did lie make any observation on
the sheets of the bed assigned to Bergami ?—The sheets Were
Put on clean, and taken away clean,
Hots nowt chamber utensils were there in the bed-room of
her Royal Eiighne,s I—Two.
Did he observe if both were made use of ?—I say so—Yes.
Were either of the.twu empty ?—They were very full.
Was there more than one basin fur Washing in ?,--,Tilere
were Levu.
bid both appear to have been used or only one do not
remember; hut many .*
Was witness present when her Royal Highness went away.
I was.
How did she go away ?—The same way as she arrived.
Lid Bergami go watt her ?--Yes;.in the same .open carriage.

Cross-examined kij Mr. WILLIAMS.
• When did thesuite follow about a quarter of an hour,
ur oat quite so much.
Has the witness any doubt about her Royal Highness re-
rottining five or six days at Trieste ?—Six days.
And no more ?—No mute.
As you remember the number of days, do you remember
.4e days of the week ?—kie does not.
Ur the tray she cause, or the day she .went ?---',Nfts, I do tint ;
If somebody had told me I might hare remembered.
. As 114,, is ~„•„„ time 1,40, possibly his memory is not full.
S'-'hciittr-General—Dud his room, of which he has spoken,
"Pin l• ' •• otoa he dining room, yes orato ?—lt was a secret door,
th'it could not he koown tool)), body in the dining room.
• no you remember how your dour was in
.the room ?-y es,
TcrY•s;ell.. •
. .
Wns that part covered with tapestry, or haw—let him ex-
plats it ?--It was covered with painted •cativas-----
eWhich covered the whole of it, so that a person in the
.„."ling•ttron could not tell that- t was odour all?----No, they
s'Llidd not.
It was quite impossible for a person in the dining-room to
'cover try any sentptom it was a.door ? • -
}i,,tilljected. to, and the form altered to ‘! Was it. quite
int-
&e.r—lt was impossible, except to one of the
lilousehold.
as not the reason of its being, impossible, because the
`lcor was entirely covered With canvas?—Yes.. •
I•4en i I meant IM surprise), if I understand hint rii..Tht, no
c.`"ligur could fluid a door therein,: liet,•sittsts it Was entirely
'vel ed with canvas ?..—Yes. entirely. covered.
tLjr you still' agent,:or-whateeee- you tre called, at te
Ili Hotel at Trieste am after taking the Inn which
hs railed the Black Eagle. If Ldo'not gain my trial or law-
tilt shalt remain Where I ton, in the Grand Hotel.
is •
he still ;went aye or tor, at the Grand Hotel am not.
aln't.-to..atts-. • • •
e the Inn -is exposed to• auction every nine years.
llhr lease is expired, attd des not know if toy principal will
brit the lease or not., which belongs to the corporation.
As tht agent. of the Grand Hotel, was it his. business to
%%sit tin the guestS ineveieilied.' Tant alwayS head Waiter.
Was ow his chief business to attend-on guests?—Both one
and other.
POth What •?—,As I ant the oldest servant in the house, I
"ow the roles of the house better than any other person
iu
tb" family,
toad you any other servants under you had two mien,
"ate, andßemento EuStache under my orders.
• 'Then youhad the inanag‘ement, the superintendance, and
assisted 4 ;AS a waiter besides ?—All the affairs of the family I
• ;;I'detl t to.
~.site,there any female •--
attendants' in the room ?One, she
Is called Maria Mora.
him if he means that the dour No. 4, was tint astend
servants at night ?—No, they had nothing to do e with it.
qu,:" the door fastened by any body belonging to the
ti •4 't the Princess Or Berganti ?—This Ido
tiut y e.o
know
tp14,A;:.14 what he
,means. 'Was No. 4 fastened by the
110 "Is or by 'himself ?--•It was' shut by themselves, but
not know whether 'hy thrill or by the suite.
exai;`long after the Prioeess was. at Trieste was he first
foreird on this subject ?—I think about three years be-
vas" examined, two years and a half or three years.
%.,iu.o "lave said that a ~,,rent number of guests came ,to the
tot It •
ot el. es.
tint chief inn for travellers in that place ?—lt is the
tat inn,
A,71 the end of two and a balf.or. three years, who was it
vitae I,liiircl:.to you to, tell what you had seen ?—Some one
ladint•at the inn, who aiked use, how did the Princess
uh''Ucl- ben L.ll. 1 Answered, I I cannot comphitt, she has
.
Ehayed
.; •1 re
y6ll been at Milan ?—Yes.
~
?—kive or six times.. •
t multi yman is he?—(lnaudible.)
atthi,%h,e nt Milan to speak as to what be knows on this
—Yes, about eighteen' months ago. •
•tvl°•-was there ?—Colonet Brown. ~•
lawyer was there ?—He is here, I do not know his
anie.
Is it ,
• Politic, or Powell ?"--No.
I'ls Counsellor Cooke there ?—There was one there that
• • I,!lPosed to be a 'Milanese.
%i.ct.e. you examined at Milan ?—Yes. •
• for,
-"nd Yotir evidencee taken in writing ?—Yes, what I said, be-
I Fay her.
•ar, •
• 10,rriv )ou been examined by the English Lawyer since you
td in England ?—No. • •
4„11.49 ha
ysou, examndined you ?--"By the samelawyer, in the pre-
' i‘tenif a t.tvo other gentlemen. ,
-was that?—Oa the second or third day after my
413" kit r lung •
- flare you been . here ?—I don't know. I think
• • - • • '
r -
~.41,1 a
obrought 'you here ?—Signior Capper. '
•Liok„ being you alone, ur with others ?—I went as far as
the :tine with a certain Aurtuize, who has been three time.i at
ten to fetch me.
ave" You had any money .'—l • '-1 did not wish for any, but..
•
e me some. •
.tt .t•
tave mid not wisht
for any P—Pfe told me to take this, and
• Ahn,,le eiht gold Napoleons-
. ItiTtwee his—You did not wish' for any money ?-No.
its writ fact, that your evidence given at Milan was taken
kngs, and that you have since ;fern examined here ?-
1, nave
•11':qrts t• •' •
It,a4ll' is not true that the door of Bergami opened into,
1:4,1.1)g-room, but into the room of the Count, :s of Oldi ?
t9itati.'ulieitor-General.—That is an assertion, lot an inter-'
Mr".
Cro Will'
ss,o, tarns,--I have heard questions Si, put 500 times in
The 'altiit-o ion. •
'
Lard'Pllcitor-tieneral still ohjected to the question.
ita t-ivEttetion- put it to their Lordships it it was fair do
'l'l e tu.inner what a winless had morel said.
able CuaNcraa.ou.decided that assertion was Lllow-
Nr,lit,tc...s-exisittinat ion, while interrogation on:y could be
tru,u, exanno,tion in chief; but the assertion Must
&lir% he what the witness had said.
Sht 112,1°1.1.3ms explained his object in pressing the question,
uf 4 4,7_licitor-tieneral observed, that the whole arose out
(it,nstleke of his in putting a question which led the Learn-
the .11.5,1 faneythat there was a difference het weeti
fact, P sltlon of the witness and his evidence, which had, in
existence
putt4t4l,liatus abandoned his irregular arguments ; and after
,•."41(19estions, the result was that Berg: snit's door
~outtressroom, but into the room of the
to their Lordships, what was the last
it is IjlKho :,r, iced belore the Princess of Wales at your inn?
flaw; '"ute for Ille tu remember. remember one per-
c:4l,,ilp,',...rrot, inanntacturer of watches al Neufchatel.
st'Al, the. party that came to the lost after the.
"cte a ,•_(:.4•1.5 cannot remember. If I were at home
in which all is put dowu.

Was the Princess tit Wales at yolir inn during A Stiltday
du nut remember.. .. •
You do nut know it/hr was theie on a Sunday, the day she
arrited; or the day she left 1-1 do nut remember ; the whale

is put down in a book which h at Triest.e.
Did the Princesslro to the Operu at Waste ?—Yes.
Has the Princess been at the inn more than once?--\'o,
only once.
Did you ewer see her at Trieste more than once ?—She
passed through Trieste, and atterwalFs un order came she was

coining no wore.

• Re-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENERALi
Witness has mentioned a servant. named Maria Mora ;
where is she now?--It is reported she gone to Jerusalem
ste came to beg something to go to Jerusalem.
How long ago is that ?—Last spring, to the best of my re-
collection. .

Have yott ever seen her since p—No.
There was a servant in the house named Cesar; wheke is
he?-1 don't know; I sent hint to Arititze.
When did you see bins ?—About three years ago.

Was not that the person who exaniineit you in this Coun-
try?. (pointing to Mr. Maule, the Solicitor to the Treasury•)

Was it taken in writing ?—I think so. I do not remember.
What party came to the Grand Hotel at Trieste before the
Princess with a large suite ?—I-le remembers none.
How long has witness been absent from Trieste ?-1-le left
Trieste on the'2Bth June.
Ask witness whether, by his absence froM his business, he
sustains any foss ?—Cunsiderable loss.
Is that loss mere than 8 Napoleons and I I francs ?-1 would
derite more profit in my own house.
Witness said the door was covered with canvas, how did he
see into the'dining room ?—He said he could see through the
kev-hole. •
Question from-a, Peer.—Did the Countess of Oldi's bed ap-
pear to tie slept 'in -every night ?—Nobody'could sleep in
that bed, because it was too small.
Where did the Countess of Oldi sleep ?—She slept in No. 3.
DUI the bi! iit No. 3, appear to have beta slept in every
night.-It did.
The Marquis Of Buckingham—Did the bed in No. 1, ap-
pear to be•slept 4...v6y night?-Yes, because there was a
boy mid a girl.
Then was Bergami's lied the only one that was not slept in
during the residence of the Princess at Trieste ?—No other,
because the sheets were taken away in the same situation ess

they were put in:
Wasihere uy appearance in Berganii's roo►n, either from
the * *, or any other circumstance,, of any one's having
slept there ?—That is possible, I believe something, for it is
possible.that when he went to make his toilette he put some-

thing in the * *
Lord Liverpool—The witness 11114' Stated that the secret
door he has spoken of was all covered over with canvas, and
yet that there was a key hole. Will he state how there could
be a key hole; whether it was cut through the canvas as well
as the door.
per Majesty's Counsel objected to the manner of pdtting
this question, and his Lordship immediately vari:d it as fol-
lows
pid the canvass which covered the dour cover the key hole
arsn'?—ln smite :little- manner as it a knife had passed
through it.
There, was then a small bole through the canvass ?—Yes.
COuld it be easily seen from the dining- ru'om ?—Yes ; very
well.
Wocild'it have appeared like a key hole, or only a hole in
the canvass, seen from the dining-room ?—Smaller than a
key hole, about one half.
Was the dartr shut, or locked ?----Locked. •
How long were you waiter at the Grand Hotel at Venice ?
—Froin the moment it was' open—nint'YearS on the lith of
October.' •••
A Peer front the gallery. There is a key, shew that key.
Interpreter—He-bas put into my hand this key, and says the
key at the secret -dobr isa little narroWer than '
' Was there7sitiVdtme under the canvass ?—Yes! -• '
Was there a key hole the canvass ?—Tlis2re was a hole
Omagh the canvass from one side to the other, which could
With difficulty ini-distovered 'front the salle d manger' by a
stranger.
Earl Grey—Lwish to know whether the canvass over the
(loin was louse Or:fixed to it ?—lt' Was fixed by' nails. - -
Was there not then another separation ?—There Was.'
Could it' riot be'Rein by person frown, the dining room ?—.
It cannot be known.
The MarCitiess-of LaNsnovra—l wish the witness to be
asked whether he' Made use of the secret door for. the pur-
poses of passing and repassing in ordinary cases,
.or whether
he used it only on particular occasions ?—Sometimes he used
it : according as it might snit him.
Does he know if he ever used' it during the six days that
the Princess remained at the Inn ?—He had no need—he
never did.
Earl GenivENrirt.—Was the test of the room covered over
with the same sOrt'of canvass as the door ?—No— only my
door.
What does he suppose to he the thickness of the door ?
About the thickness of his•thumb.
Does it open inwards or old Wards ?—lt opened sometimes
into my room, and sometimes into the salle a manger.
The I.tan ettaXcet.t.oaTlte, witness has said that his tak-
ing the Inn:, the Blabk 'aeltended.opon bis.gaining this
trial; or this law-suit. I wish the witness to
.say what he
means, and if ' he alludes to the issue of this trial or some
other.
Witness in answer--I sent in a memorial to get the
inn for some protection, •4iia I Wait till it is known if I or
some other inn-ketiper‘get the inn.
What do you mean by protection ?—To get the inn, as an-
other wished to get it, and I paid 290 pounds.
• Earl llosEaealtv—Witnels has said that he did not wish to
receive money for coming here, and he'also has said that he
'suffered' loss. I wish to know why be' did not wish to receive
the money ?—Because I have money of my own.
Witness has said that I3ergaini did not sleep in his own heel,
do you know what bed he slept in ?—I suspect in No. 2, the
Pt incess's room.—(Order.)
Do' you know whieli'bed Bergami slept in ?—Question with-
drawn.
Lord ELLENBOuonGit—When yon went out 'of the secret
tooth did you draw it after you, or did you push it tO?—When
I come out of the room, I push the door to the dining room,
and when 150 hack, I poll it towards me, as Igo in. -
How highs was the' secret door ?---About six feet (witness
described.)
Was the, room painted all over the sante colour.?—Yes.
'At the saute time ?-Llres.
A PEettl-le has said the canvas 'was nailed on—was it
nailed along-the 'top and bottom of the room ?—No, it was
nailed round the door.
L'orit'LoxGroitn=SOnie official perion ordered rooms to' be'
prepared for the Princess 'befia'e,her arrival, was it usual for
this person to order apartments to be prepared?—Only when
letters were sent.
Did this person give orders for any person, either a short
time before or since the arkival of departure of the,Princess ?
-LI believe not,.
The CVansel. witnesses, &c. were then ordered tOwithdraw.
Loret Viscount MELVI'LLE: rose to ask leave sif the House,
the Learned Counsel on both sides coosenting, for Captain
Pechel captain Ilrigp to absent themselves from- a strict,
ainanfaure-on t Thursday'- next. Agreed to.
[A female dressed in black, rather corpulent, and nPPa-
rentlyalatat 30 years of age, was,now brought in. She wove
no cap, but had her hair dressed touch in the sante style, as it
is at present worn here. She bad.a lace frill routed her neck,
and air elegant black shawl throws t over her shoulders. She
appeared to be greatly embarrassed by the nove:ty of her si-•
I tition. The moment she was put to the Ilar,the'Queen en-
tered the House, and was received'in the .usual respectful
darted a 0 tertnin al • dintimidating
e an
;nor
at
hell,,rirtiNwlsa;i3ty
Gaa'rge W. Gilterman, a G('ifnati, was•sworn to truly inter-
-I,ret, the evidence given by the witness. -
BarbaraCrantz,wife of Pe terCrantz,---Examined
bJ
ocral.—lnterpreter,
the ATTORNEY-GENIIIIAL.
itsk the witness where
dues 'f-hsehAt.titic,:ren;H.7y
It Carlsruhe. -
Of what religion are you ?—A Lutheran.
How long are you married'—'!'brier years.
Before that time, did you live at the Post-inn, at Carlsrnhe?
—Yrs.
How long did you live there?----One year and three viarters.
Did you leave it in consequence of your marriage ?—Yes,
I did.
Dv you remember the Princess of Wales coming there ?
Yes, I do.
Di, you remember Bergami coaling there?—Yes, I do.
About how lung is that since ?—Perhaps about 3 years.
Do you remember in what Count the Princess slept while at
the inn es, 1-du.
What was the number of the room ?—No. 10.
What room adjOined No. 10 ?—No. 11.
How was No. 11 used? for sleeping or eating ?—lt was a
dining-room.. •
ll'llat room adjoined No. 1), the dining-room ?—No. 12.
What room was 'No. 12 ?—A bed-room.
Who had it ?—Berganki.
Was there a door going front No. In to No. 11 ?—There was.
Was there also a dour froUt NO. 11 to No. 1.2 ?—Yes ;

du ibte cine.=4The ititness explaintd that she meant folding

doors.) ~ .. ~
What sort of bed was placed in No. 12 ?—A broad bed.
' Was it there before? or was it placed there-.iii conS4guence'
of the arrival of the Princess ?—There was another bed there
'before, butt was ordered to put a Woad one before the Prin-
cess arrived.
Hid the Princess arrived before the other bed was removed ?
—The courier had arrived to prepare, fur the Princess, and
then I was' ordered to put this bed into the room.
~
Was it your duty to attend the inn as chambermaid ?—Yes,
it was.
, .
How long did. the Princess remain at the inn ?—I cannot
say exactly the tinisi; hut I think about a week or 8 days.
Do you rcnientber;to any evening during the Princess's
stay, to go to No. ti, and carry sotaC water there ?—Yes,

dO"..
About what time in the eftoing ?—Perhaps between 7 and
S o'clock.
Mr.. linotuntoot here rernarke4 that a gentleman near bins
who understood the German language, had very pr(!perly ob-
served, that the interpreter did nut translate the words lite-
rally; for instance, that the witness said, " I can't tell" be-
fore she said " perhaps between 7 and 9 o'clock."
The Loan COANCELLott then desired the interpreter to
repeat all the words used by the witness.
The witness then gave her answer.—l can't tell exactly, but
to the best of my memory it was between 7 and S o'clock in

the evening.
Do you recollect where the Princess and Bergami had dined
that day ?—I can't recollect. •
On carrying the water to No. t 4, who was.in the room ?7---
The Princ►ss and Bergami.
Where was Bergami when you went in ?--Bergatui was
in bed.
Where was the Princess?—She. was sitting on the bed next
bins.
Could you see whetherßergami's chrthes were on or off ?
I could not see ; but the moment I entered Bergami's arm

was wide. • .-
•
Where did you see his arm ?—When I entered Bergami had
hip arm round the neck of the Princess, and when I entered

he let •
Can you describe his dress ?—I cannot tell that. -
What did the Princess do on your entering the room ?—The
Princess had jumped up, and was mulch frightened.
What did the Princess do when she saw you enter ?—She
had then jumped up.

Do you mean to say that the had jiimpe.4 up, or that she did
jump up on your entering the room ?'
The witness repeated her former answer, the. literal transla-
tion of which, the interpreter said, was she got up, or
she rose." . - .

Mr. BROUGHAM -saidi that a gentleman- near
him, and no more connected with this case than
any of their Lordships, had complained of the
interpretation of the answers. But when asked
td come forward and, correct the interpreter, he
replied' he would not intermeddle in such tvbusi-
ness.
The doubt in thiS manner cast upon the inter.=
preter's -qnswers- 'led to some conversation', be-
tween' the Counsel on both-sides and: their-Lord-
ships, respecting:the propriety. of having another
person 'Who Understood-- the 'German language
preSent tO'clieek-the interpreter, as was the case
with the Italian interpreter. - , •,, -
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he would object to
any but' a'sivorn interpreter ; the Attorney-pe-
tieral had -put his 'qUestion: twice over to-the in--
terpreter upon 'not. getting from ,him the answer
that suited-him. .
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL appealed to their
Lordships against the Insinuation which had'heen
More' than once --levelled- against hitn. The'
Learned
.counsel aid .that the interpreter-had
given an answer which did hot suit: him (the
Attorney'LC-en'eFal):` What' did 'he mean by the
? had here a duty east upon. him
by their Lordships, and he- wished to conduct
the duty intrusted to him fairly, and. honourably,
and justly. If the interpreter should mistake
any words, let the mistake be explained, or let
a more fit person to interpret be procured ; but
do-'not suffer the' Learned Counsel to ascribe
motives to himiyhich he had- not ; or to say-that
any answer would not -suit him; his only:object
Was to getat'theiruth.' • • - •
Mr. BnatithrAst-diiclahned any intention of
casting any aspersion or ascribing any'motive to
any one. If he did ascribe a motive, he should ;
be prepared, when the proper' time. that suited:
him came, to justify the imputation of that' mo 7,
tive. But here he had cast no aspersion. The'
whole of the interruption that had taken place
was of the Attorney-General's, own seeking. -It
was, said Mr. Brougham, " he, not I, who caused
that interruption."
The ATTO R N EY-GENERAL fmy Learned
Friend did not mean to impute a motive to me,
why have said the answer did not suit me ?
Mr. BROUGHAM—I repeat, that saying the an-
swer did not suit you was not imputing any ob-
jectionable ;motive.
The Marquis ,of liucKlNGhAm here rose and
said, that the presence of their Lordships ought
to restrain any Connsel, from presuming to impute
improper motives to another Counsel employed
in the ease,-and ordered to prOceed in it by their
Lordships.—(lf ear; 'hear !)—IIe -hoped, there-
fore, that the. Learned Counsel -`would be now
instructed. by their Lordships:net to .presume to
assert that other Counsel were not actuated by
as pure motives as he was hiniself.--7--(ileari)
Earl GREY was sorry that any thing had oc-
curred which looked like a bickering
.among the
Counsel at the Bar, and still more that it had
excited the attention of their- Lordships, 49,
'should, however, object:to. the instruction
gested by the Noble . Marquis; because !he
thought no such instruction was necessary, and
that. it could not be given by their Lordships'
without implying an iMputationhpdu the Counsel
receiving. it, which in this case being-- undeserved,
.would be unfair. He did. not understand the
Learned Counsel to. impute improper motives to
the Counsel at the other side. lie 'certainly un-
derstood him to say, that the answer given by
the witness did not suit, but he did not under-
stand the expression to be intended, improperly.
Ile, however, hoped that tic Counsel at both
sides would, in the perforManee of-their respec2
tive duties, preserve a becoming sense of temper,:
and carefully abstain from Any expressions which
were calculated to interrupt that coolness and
decorum which he trusted it was' the. anxious de-
sire of all parties should characterise the whole
of -their proceedings in this case.---(Cries of hear,
,hear!)
The Loun CnAscELLon then ordercf: that the
sworn interpreter should be desired to repeat the
answer given by the Witness, first in German, and
next in English.

The questions were again put to the witness in
the following manner
you came into tine roam where was the • Prinettss ?
Sitting on the bed.
What did her Royal liighnes do on your going into the
room ?—The Princess was frightened.

[Some difficulty litre egaio occurred tespecting the unlit-
ing•intcud. d to he conveycd I.sy the witness j
Did the Plincess grt up; or junkp qv, in the. presence of
the witness ?—Wlirti tentered; tliel'rineess had got, ufl..

[Here again some objection .I‘t•as taken .to the-interpteta-,,
tion put by the interpreter upon the answera of the witness.l,
The Interpreter expressed an anxitiiii desire to explain th:e
answers as tbe.witnesses intended to Clotivey them: The wards,
he said,. used by the witness, and iti whjcli 7stated that tine,
Princess was, in the act of rising wherksbtite,eerekt room.
were, in dcr hehe, which literally means; in a state of beim;
high." . .
_ _ _

The Bishop of PETEprPOROUGH said, he hoped:
their Lordships woultrexcu.se him for interrupt-
ing
their proceedings, anckstating, that in his opi-
nion the interpreter didinot give the. translation-
of the German . words...in the English •language
with the faithful meaning .which the idiom :.of
both languages required, • The German words
were certainly not rendered suitably in the Eng-
lish words used by the interpreter. His transla,
tion was not as faithful as ;it might be. .
Lord HOIiDAND Said ;that). under the circum-
stances in which they wer, placed, they ought
to have a sworn. interpreter,' to interpret the
words of a witness with the, utmost precision.
The LORD CI,LANCELPOR: desired that the Coun-
sel at the opposite side.should, furnish a German
interpreter, to check the.-other- interpreter, as
in the case of the Italian one who had recently-
acted.

Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he must object. to
the sense of any words of a witness being taken,,.
through .the medium of any other person than a
sworn interpreter. He was not at this. moment
prepared With such a person ; he hoped, there-
fore, their Lordships would delay the examina-
tion of this witness until he could procure a suit-
able interpreter to correct and check th.per....441 -
provided by the Counsel at the oppoSite side.,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL. said,• that he had,
another interpreter< ready,. if their
,Lordships.slid
not deem the present person competent.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he was_ not ready
with one to check this:new interpreter, and he
hoped that, until he was prepared, their
.Lord-
ships would not proceed•with the examination of
this witness..- • . . • -; •-
The 'Earl of LivErtroor. said., that if a_ sword
interpreter, when produced, did not give proper
satisfaction in the discharge of his duty, the op-
posite party ought to be callod upon;:or at least
such he thought)fa's the 4ourse of proceeding, N.)
furnish another. He still thought that the pro-
duclion:ortyneWlnterpreter Must- .be grounded
on some objectiOn.taken.tO the preceding- one. • N J
man -was Tnore- tompetent 7than' the. Right R eve,
rend. Prelate ato judga'Of the fitness pf,
preter tO perform hi§ duty.;'-and he thought that,
without going-.further,-enough had occurred t.)
justify` their Lordships'. in calling' upon the oppo—
site:Counsel-for another,interpreter:

Lord GRENVILLE observed, that a word ma-
have two meanings, .and in
:such. a case it was
clesiraklez4hat the interpreter should state
to enahle_their, Lordships to ascertain from a wit-
iiegs ,which-of the, two he meant to deliver. If
-the interpreter had,' hOwever. made a mistake ia.
translating words which any, tCoble Lord was of
opinion-had 'olie meaning, then hesthought
that the persii&disCoveriug-, the error was Kight,
was indeed bound to apprize their Lordships.oT
the circumstance. lie felt therefore obliged 'f",i
the Right Rev. Prelate for cautioning them against
the.errors into- _which- they. might be led,hy,_tha
present interpreter.
The Lotto; CRAlieti.ir.oa called uppn the
Counsel for the Queen to produce-anotiniF Inter-
,prefer. , 17C
Mr. BROUGHAM said it :was: no fault 0414 that
she was not prepartdAt the moment with.a
Grz-
man 4410 ifike tCr
.11e; had this-day expected none
but Italian witnesses, and had accordingly pre-
pared 'himself with only an Italian interpreter.
The difficulty in which. he wai_now placed, ant
which had caused an interruption in _their'. Lord -
ships proceedings,. was-the consequeuce _of the
decision:of their Lordships, the Wisdom-pf Which
he did not now presume , to question,.lv, whip h
he Wag" refused a list mot, only orthemankea, but
even of the, places to which thechar,ges,Applied.
It was the ignorance in which he was thgs kept
that left him unpreparedWithra
~..errow inter-

.prete r :at this .fflinne 11 t. first wit nctiff SIAK.e re
Italian, the next was a ,German, and .perhaps
after • that witness was done with,, (Mr.'
Brougham) would, on. the spur of
:the momettt
.upon-; for , a T nitiSlary a TnrkiSh, a.
Greek, or an. Egyptian inteyproi!•Ori.if9o9 all
these: countries the Queen,Jtad been :
.wa,s al
Tunis, Athens,' Egypt, and tlte Holy Land; and
:from all these.- places ,he ,proAutpe4"to
conjecture that interpreters would Aigilyegyiretl.
This was.. the difficulty iMposed.upuit 'her Ma-
jesty's Counsel by, the ',refusal. of their LOrdsltlo3
to furnish a list of. the places to w hich, .chattet
referred.. : • . .
The ATTORNEY-GcNBRAL replied,, that his
Learned. Friend could not, with juAVce;Voiniilaiu.
'of being taken• unawares•respecting tllß.neCessit
of a German interpreter, for,he had,- .hiss open-
ing speech, distinctly, alluded to -a cicckunstance
co'ccurrin;9; at Carlsruhe. _
Mr. BROUGHAM hoped. his •Learned.lriend
would save the trouble of any future- inistali— by-
stating .to what country. his next witne.ss.she,-'
longed. • . . • .
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL made nO'repl:Y:
.• The Earl of MonLEy: said, lira' thettietti.r,
way at present would be to call,zon.the,lnt4ppro.
ter for a further explanation of the words u.se.ki
by the witness, and repeaffhe German; to !Jaye.
it heard by such of, their Lordships..-as under--
stood_that. language.
The Duke of lIAmILT-ox said,„that ao-tiao.
Counsel for her Majesty were, unprepared .at:
'this niOnient;with a German Interpreter, and a.s
no' blame whatever attached to then], under die
circumstances, for not provided with such tt
person,, he thought their. Lordships had better
postpone the further examination untilto-1nor:
row.
The Earl of LivEnpool. saidi he saw no, ob-
jection to a reasonable delay,' if. required by .the
Counsel.
' • Earl Gary concurred . with his Noble Friend
(Lord Grenville), that it was quite impossilileTdr
any Noble Lord to' hear a mistake committed:by

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