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share list. The Committee did not permit an examination of
the share IM, bemuse the parties did not call upon them to do
so. He thoesht it tight to state this, as it might be inferred,
from *bat isodi siiirrently taken place, that the Committee
bad notamid flak ineetien to their duties which they ought to
hate done.
The CH ANNELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
what imd fallen tom the Hon. Gentleman opposite will, I
truss, have the effect of allaying that feeling of irritation which

the exfpressions he made use of on a former evening appears
to have occasioned. lam sure lam the last person in the
world who would wish to pursue this subject, as such a course
cannot Pail to be painful to all parties. Perhaps the
Honousable Gentleman will allow me to avail my-

self of the opportunity now afforded of suggesting
to Hon. Members who sometimes violate what are the fixed
rules of this House, which we are bound to obey, not to call
into question the acts and conduct of Members of the other
House of Parliament, who may have acted in their legislative
capacity. lam sure the only mode of securing a proper feel-
ing of respect, and a proper observance of our own feelings, is
to show that we are not desirous of violating them. I think
we may do this, by abstaining from alluding to statements
which have been uttered in another place. I have thought it
nay duty to avail myself of this opportunity of making these
observations to the House.
Mr. ESCOTT said he had been in the House the whole of
the time the lion. Member (Mr. F. French) was speaking,
and never heard one single sentence of the speech.—( A laugh,
and cries of " Hear, hear.")
Mr. DARBY said a few words, but not with reference to

the speech referred to.
Sir J. Y. BULLER said that he objected to the expenses
of this Bill being put on the County Rates Bill.
Mr. M. GIBSON also objected that the clause was unne-
cessary to carry out the provisions of the Bill.
Af'er a kw words from Mr. DARBY and Sir J. Y. BULLER,

The House divided, when there appeared, on the division
for the I Ith clause, that for the addition of the terms instead
of the full and fair value of the property, the words " at the
mate at which the property was valued to the poor,"
Fort the addition

Against it
Majority for the addition —32
The other clauses, up to clause 31, were then agreed to.
Mr. M. GIBSON thought this was the proper time for
moving the amendment of which he had given notice, and he
should therefore move the following clause :—And whereas by
an Act passed in the session of Parliament holden in the fifth
and sixth years of the reign of his late Majesty, intituled, " An
Aet to provide for the regulation of Municipal Corporations in
England and Wales," it is enacted, that after the grant of a
separate Court of Quarter Sessions of the Peace to any borough,
it shall not be lawful to assess any messuages, lands, tene-

ments, or heredltaments, within such borough, to any county
rate thereafter to be made, but every part of such borough
Shall thenceforward be wholly free and discharged from con-
tributing otherwise than as thereinafter provided, to any rate
or assessment of any kind, of and for the county in which any
part of such borough is situated ; be it therefore enacted,
that nothing in this Act contained shall extend to render any
such borough, or any property situated therein, liable to be
assessed, or to contribute to county rate, save as in the said
recited Act is mentioned and contained.
The amendment was agreed to.
The other classes were then gone through, and on the
preamble being submitted,
Mr. HAWES wished to know if the evidence had justified
the cone6)l3km at which they had arrived.
Mr. E. DENISON said that it was certainly very desirable
to know whether the lands appropriated to public bodies was
to be considered as amenable to this Bill.
Lord G. SOMERSET said that he could not be answer-

able for the Goveraraent, but so far as his conceptions went,
those lands which were not subject to the property-tax would
not be subject to the provisions of this Bill.
Mr. DARBY said, that the investigation ought to be made
by those who had to ascertain the rack-rent, and not according
to their figures, but according to the real value of the land.
Mr. G. PALMER thought that the country ought to be
altogether re-valued. The difference of value had led to
such serious differences in the country that he thought for the
sake of justice the country ought to be re-valued.
Sirl. Y. BULLER said that the machinery of the Bill
was perfectly easy.
The Bill then passed through Committee, and the report was
arcleie.d to be received to-morrow.
The House having resumed, went into Committee on the
Death by Accident Compensation Bill.
After a few verbal amendments,
Clause 1 was agreed to, as were also clauses 2,3, 4, and 5.
Some a rendments to same of the clauses being withdrawn,
the Hill passed through Committee, and the report was ordered
to be received on Friday.
The Deodands Abolition Bill then passed through Com-
mittee, and the report was ordered to be received on Friday.
SLAVE TRADE.

Sir R. PEEL took the opportunity to present some eorre-
sp.ontience with respect to the slave trsde which, on a former
occasion, he aid not think it his outy to produce.
NEW ZEALAND—ADJOURNED DEBATE.
_ _

Capt.—Roi3S resumed the debate. He said that he wished
to knew in what capacity the New Zealand Company came
before the House? He wished to know whether they came there
as supplicants, or as patriots- demanding redress, or whether
they wanted a loan of a sum of money? The answer that he
reoeived from the Member for Ceckermouth the other night
was, Reit if he earn* to the New Zealand house he would show
him the aceounts. He did not think that it was a proper busi-
ness far them to borrow money from the country when their
capital was -said to he 300,0001., and they had not paid up
100,0001. He thought that they had forfeited all their char-
ters. The Honourable Gentleman then commented on
the conduct of the missionaries of New Zealand, and
said that he was bound to sa3 that though many
of them were very exemplary characters, )et there were
some who looked ton much to the gain of worldly treasures.
He could not mention the merits or demerits of the New
Zealand Company, but he would say, that the natives would
not pay two-pence an acre for land, and they would not pay
custom-house duties ; and if they sent out 10,000 men to the
colonies they could not enforce them to do so. If the matters
in New Zealand became worse, it would be necessary to keep
AP a na:ive army and a large navy in New Zealand. Jealousy
would thereby be created amongst the natives, and the most evil
consequences would result. There were only two motives by
which to keep the natives in awe, and those were fear and re-
spect. There could not be a better man in the world than
the Bishop of New Zealand, but there was a set of low-minded
men in New Zealand, who termed themselves missionaries,
and those men had done all they could to poison the minds of
the natives. They had, in the Mahore language, designated
the English settlers as devils. What he (Captain Rens) would
advise would be to send out a Brigadier-General with 1,000
men in two ships of war, and he would deprive the New Zea-
lard COmpany of their charter, but would give them a fair
remuneration for what they hail done. He would guarantee
'Their land to the settlers, and give them remuneration for their
labour hitherto performed, and he would abolih the protectors
of the natives, and would appoint more protectors of Europeans.
Mr. WARD explained that the 40,000/. to which the Hon.
and Gallant Meer had alluded, bad been divided into 1,600
shares, and the title deeds had been deposited in the
hands of the Honourable Member for Essex (Mr. H.
Palmer.) He would remind the Honourable Member
for Westminster. that when the New Zealand Company sold
their land to the settlers 15s. in the pound of the produce of
the land was paid to furnish labour for the land so sold. He
was very, much disposed to agree with the Hon. and Gallant
Member that it was not necessary to have a representative
Government in New Zealand, and he was much pained to hear
his lion. Friend the Member for Liskeard dwell se much upon
that ;mild. If he had had the conduct of this question in the
last debate aeon it, he would not have divided the House upon
it. Re wcu'd hay.e rested upon the immense admission of the
tnt Right Honourable Baronets opposite. This was a national
guest on. Ten thousand men and women had left their
native cc entry, and had given up the advantages of civilised
life, anal it was painful to see their prospects blighted by these
squalsblcs.—(Ceeess from the Ministerial benches, followed by
come er-cheers trim the Opposition.) He need not say that
ha dial not like that cheer. He could wish to see these squab-
bles at an end. The first duty of a Government, taking all
the circumstances into consideration, was to take steps to put
an end to the present evil system, and they could only do that
upon clear and definite principles. What had been the,
conduct of all the officials in New Zealand? Why
it had been to treat all the settlers as enemies.
He thought it a most unfortunate circumstance that the Go.-
vernmeitt e.l this eeuntry should have been entrusted to such
hanils as .C3,,itaio Hobson and Captain Fitzroy, the former pa•
ralysed by disease,- and the latter with a mind harassed, if not
deranged, by the circumstances which he could not controul.
He did not make any distinction between the two Governors ;
one was nearly as ba4, or at least as incompetent as the other.
It had been said that if the Northern Star steam packet had
no' arrived with '220 soldiers the colony might have been lost,
end this was answered by quoting an opinion of the Noble Lord's
near him, the Member for the City of London, that one
neeifred soldiers were sufficient to preserve the peace of
the island. —( Hear, hear.) That might at fist sight ap-
pear a very plausible argument, but the Noble Lord
assertion had been made in reference to a country not divided
with fearful virulence against itself, net when the people were
cutting each other's throats, not Yams native and colonist
wore inspired with animosity and engaged l'in downright ware
far* bat of a country at peace both among themselves and
among the foreign settlers.—( Hear, hear.) But how had the
alarming state of the colony been treated by the Government ?
Why, all regard for the property of the natives had been for-
gotten : the disputes were alone between the Government and
the Company, disputes as disreputable to the one as the other.
The Government did trot care for the practical matters of the
case Involving the interests and safety of 10,000 English settlers,
and a vast amount of native population.—(pear, hear.) This
pettifoggieg condact was more especially unworthy of Lord
Stanley, and he was sorry to see the two Right Hon. Baronets
opposite adopting and defending that conduct. If allowed to
carry out their own liberal views, for he was willing to admit
the good and laudable intentions of the Right Hon. Gentleman
at the head of her Majesty's Government, and the Secretary of
the liome Department. But they were shackled by their
colleague the Secretary for the Colonies, who impeded their
measeres and frustrated their best endeavours. Why did they
not manfully resist such baneful influence, and boldly carry out
their wishes.
Lord J. RUSSELL—" Nec sine te possum, nee eheu vivere
teenin !"—(Loud laughter. )
Mr. WARD—The Noble Lerd near him had suggested a
quotation, " Nee sine te possum, nec eheu vivere
very apposite he • dthe
teenm." That was indeed too true, but conjure Right
Hem. Baronets to protest against and repudiate the conduct of
their colleagues, to deal promptly with the danger now in-
creasing rapidly in the colony, and, by an 'act of worthy
liberality, protect alike the settler and the native.
Mr. G. PALMER hoped, considering the situation of four-
teen thousand British subjects, that sufficient protection would
be afforded. They had not even been allowed to protect them-
selves ; and ,from necessity they had formed themselves into
militia bodieS, to resist the aggressions of the natives. He was
quite certain that neither Lord Stanley nor the New Zealand
Company would, with to promote any difficulty or disagree-
ments. If there were any complaints to be made let them be
referred to the Government, and he was quite certain they
would do all in their power to promote the proper interests of
the colony.
Sir C. NAPIER observed that the island of New Zealand
was a most fertile spot, and susceptible of the highest improve-
meat, and he thought that the Government had not extended
sufficient protection to its colonists. Several murders
had been committed in the vicinity
of the Bay
lekwds, and the murderers, with one exception, s- had
escaped unpunished. Wile only protection that was afforded
of
was derived from a Fr each frigate which happened to, be in the
b 4 et the time. Independent of those murders, several out.
rages had taken place at Falkland, which also went unpunished.
Jt didappear to him that the colonists, seeing the Government
so supine in assisting them, had considered that they were left
to defend themselves from the aggressions of the natives in the
best manner they could. He had no doubt that the disastrous
proceeding at Wairau, which went unpunished. constituted
the primary instigations to further excesses. Having stated
his opinion of the great neglect of the Colonial Department in
preventing the massacre at Waken, he would allude to the last
catastrophe that had taken place. The first dispatch of
Governer Fitzroy stated that the natives seemed to
entertain a general dislike to the British Government.
The natives cut down the flag-staff at Auckland
four times, nor was it to be wondered at, when a
half-civilized people saw that they could cut down a tag-
staff with impunity, they would cut it down a second, a third,
and a tourth time. He would allude now to the Gallant Go-
vernor's dispatch, which was a most extraordinary document.
Although he had said Auckland was in danger, nothing for its