Star.
London, England, 1808-07-01 00:00:00

Earl TEMPI E saidt that his principatobjettioa to
the motion WAS that it might at the present Moment
ck, harm, and tF tit could not do good. He did not
conceive, however, that the motion of the Honourable
acronet had justly subjected him to any reproof, as it
fas notorious th..t ttar i.unishment of the lash was
mach legs frequent in foreign armies than in ours.
y*fr. LOCKHART was decidedly adverse to the
„Aanetion of such returns. They would be only giving
ro—the House the groans of the sufferers, without,
the evidence upon. which they received their
cenees. . Corporal punishment was not pat liar to
any, ittit might be inflicted by the sentence of
.judges for various offences at the common law.—
fooßier had, in addition to the Court-Martial that
Died bim, the advantage of an appeal to the Com-
▪ m Chief, who might order a General Court-
, and he had actually known a case where a
swer had obtained a new trial upon such an appeal,
ok acquitted.—Titie liouse divided—For the
#-A,paufst it 77—Majority 73.
• Tat mica.
01;tRESIITY...s4id. 'lie rose, in coasequence of
given for the purpose of aminzing
tAttdie.House the intended encroachments in Hyde
pach It woad be innaecessary for Mkt° eideavour
o, impress Upen:gie House the great advantages
which the poptlatiOn of this vast MetroPolisAarived
having.rceeis to the three Parks. It was,' there-
fee, a subject of considerable regret to him, to find
Isere was a plan in contemplation for devoting a great
out of Hyde Park to private edifices.' It was a very
'-racious thing in any Officer to recommend to his
saiesty that certain partsof it should beiranted out
fa such purposes. He would .not
dept' that the
jag had the right of doing so.; but *hen* it was con-
eked that within these few years :the public had
Auks,
ne less than 71,0001. for the improvement of the
pas, he could not help thinking that they had a
good claim to the use of them at least. It was
dat the proposed plan would extend only to.
light houses, bet if the buildings were once begun,
tle was convinced the system would go on. These
fight houses would not be the last. When on a for-
ma evening he made Use of the word favouritism,
be did not mean to employ--that any political favou-
ictian was shewn by the Crown Surveyor ; but he
cestainly did mean to say, that an improper pre-
broce was likely to be given by that persbn, and that
woe individuals nearly connected with him were to
obtain that preference. It was no excuse to say, that
persons whose political opinions did not accord with
those of that Gentleman, were also to obtain grants
of the same kind. The object of his motion was the
production of the correspondence between Mr. For-
drce and the Lords of the Treasury, for the purpose
of procuring their consent to the leases which he was
about to execute. Should the correspondence be
granted to him, it was his intention to tbllow it up
by an Address to his Masty, praying that he would
graciously pleased to leave Hyde Park in its pre-
sent state. _ _ _

Mr. TRACY seconded the motion, and expressed
his wish to have a Flx: of the ground.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
observed, that no ground had been laid for the mo.
too, and that it would ill become the House to inter-
pmbetween his Majesty and the exercise of one of his
txdonbted rights. It was to be presumed that on this
occasion be would act with the same beneficence
and conscientious regard to the interests and con-.
renience of individuals that had marked the whole
of his reign. There was no reason to suppose his
lbjesty would make any improper grants. The
plan, in fact, had not yet been submitted to him. It
ru only a few days ago that it was laid before the
"Aasury. With what propriety therefore, in this
4e of the business, could the Honourable Member
nil upon the House to interfere ? There was no in-
talon to convert the Park into a town, and for any
parposes of sordid gain to turn that which was now
:xi for recreation into streets. Such a project would

meet, and deservedly, with general disapprobation.
But he could not see upon what grounds that House
could call upon his Majesty to refrain from the mode-
rate exercise of an undoubted right. As to fa-
tontism, he would assure the Honourable Gentle-
au it was not intended to give an undue preference
to any person. The grants *ere to be the sub-
j.:a of fair and open competition ; and they who
sight succeed in obtaining them, would end, that
*occupied the most expensive houses, by far, in
the metropolis. As he had before observed, no case
hod been made out, and he must, therefore, oppose
thermion. _ .

Mr. H. TRACY, in explanation, stated, that he
dapproved of the plan entirely ; but that if it should
go ast, he would have no objection to become a com-
petitor for one of the grants.
Mr.WINDHAM spoke on the incalculable advan
Woes of the three Parks : St. James's, the Green, and
HYde Parks, as to the ornaments of them, the plea-
, they "afforded, and the salubrious air of them to
tee inhabitants of this populous metropolis. He ri-
tiled the idea of beautifying the Park with houses,
the great beauty of twkich consisted in its being rural;
for a man coming from Whitech ipel would have
pretty nearly enough of houses. The roads, too,
which it would occasion, would create an atmosphere
of dust. As to the Palace of St. James's, we did not
Pride ourselves on its being much of A Palace Royal ;
but it harthis advantage, if it dr,t7s not look like a
Palace, it certainly does not look like any thing else ;
and therefore we should not build houses about it, for
le had nothing of grandeur about the Royal Resi-
dome but the Parks.
Mr. SHERIDAN agreed entirely in what was said
by Mr. Windham. He wished to know, how Mr.
Fordyce intended to form his plan, and whether he
tad almost made up his contract with individuals.
He ins glad that Ministers were not likely to court-
tonice it. As to Hamilton Place, be thought it a
niost contemptible and trumpery plan of building.
He bad rather, if there must be any encroachments
ht Hyde Park at all, to build a street in Rotten-row,
Illat jar Gentlemen might ride up and down, and
that the Ladies might look at them. He was much
against any encroachments on the Park, and this
?keit to be met and resisted in the first instance ; and
k gave notice now, that early in the next sessions he
Ihotild bring forward a plan for the general improve-
?eat of the buildings of the City of Westminster.
But if he received an intimation from the Minister,
nothing farther would be done until next sessions
he shoidd advise his Hon. Friend to withdraw 'his
I Notion.