The Sun.
London, England, 1845-04-25 00:00:00

MAYNOOTH GRANT.

Mr. EMERSON TENNENT presented petitions from
several places in Ireland against the grant to Maynooth.
Mr. HINDLEY presented twelve petitions against the
grant to Maynooth College, from the following p'aces:—
Inhabitants of Boxford, Suffolk; Wyke, York ; Havering
Atte Bower, Essex; Protestant Dissenters, Kingston,
Surrey ; Penegroes Whitechurch, Pembroke ; Ashby-
de-la-Zouch, Loughborough ; Calvinistic Methodists,
Llanywniw, Denbigh ; Talyuh, Brecon ; teachers of
Sunday Schools, Castle-lard, Holland-street, Surrey ;
and Frindsbury, Kent.
LONDON AND YORK RAILWAY.
An HoN. 11iEDIBER, v, hose name we could not hear,
presented a petition in favour of the London and York
Railway.
CLYDESDALE JUNCTION RAILWAY BILL.
Mr. HOPE JOHNSTONE presented petitions, nu-
merously signed, from Glasgow, Hamilton, Rutherglen,
Bothwell, and Blantyre, in favour of this measure.
MR. BURKE AND THE MIDLAND RAILWAYS.
The SPEAKER in reply to a question from Lord
G. Somerset, stated that since this matter had been
brought under his notice, he had taken an opportunity
of looking into the rules of the House bearing upon
the subject. He found that some years ago, Mr.
Speaker Abercromb% framed a number of rules for re-
gulating the practice of Parliamentary agents,
but the only one of any importance was
the second rule, which required that all Par-
liamentary agents before they were permitted
to practice should make a declaration whereby they
agreed to observe all the rules and standing orders of
the House. This rule, however, was not sufficiently
stringent, and he had, therefore, framed a rule making
every Parliamentary agent personally responsible to the
House for the due observance of the standing and ses-
sional orders.
Lord G. SOMERSET said, under those circumstances
he was not inclined to persist in his motion respecting
an act of negligence lately committed by a Parlia-
mentary agent.

RAILWAYS.
Lord G. SOMERSE T then moved that every Committee
on a Railway Bill shall fix the tolls, and shall determine
the maximum rates of charge for the conveyance of
pa- sengers (with a clue amount of luggage) and
of goods on such railway, and such rates of
charge shall include the tolls, and the costs
of locomotive power, and every other expense
connected with the conveyance of passengers (with a
due amount of luggage) and of goods upon such railway;
but if the Committee shall not deem it expedient to de-
termine such maximum rates of charge, a special report,
explanatory of the grounds of their omitting so to do,
shall be made to the House, which special report shall
accompany the report of the Bill.
Mr. LABOLICIIERE said the subject which the No-
ble Lord had brought under the consideration of the
House was one of great importance, and it was, in his
opinion, high time fur the House to limit the tolls and
rates of charges on railways.
Mr. BERNAL, who was almost inaudible in the
gallery, was understood to say that some uniform
practice ought to be adopted in the Railway Committees,
otherwise the greatest confusion would occur, and when
the session was about to close there would be no such
thing as remedying it.
Sir J. Y. BULLER defended the conduct of Mr.
Burke, which had been unjustly censured. If he had
been guilty of some trifling inadvertence, he at once
owned it. lie would willingly bear testimony to the
high character of Mr. Berke.
Sir W. HEATHCOTE likewise eulogised the general
conduct of Mr. Burke, which he considered was en-
titled to respect and gratitude. His exertions had been
of the greatest service in ensuring order and regularity.
The O'CONOR DON said he concurred in the ob-
servations of the Hon. Gemtleman who had just sat
down. There was a feeling amongst the Committee '
that no practitioner could discharge his duty with more
credit and satisfaction than Mr. Burke.—(Hear, hear.)
His conduct with regard to the clause alluded to ought
certainly not to be characterised by a stronger expression
than that of inadvertence. The sl►ghtest unfavourable
impression did not remain in the minds of the Committee
with regard to the conduct of Mr. Burke.
Mr. GREENE entirely concurred in the testimony
which had been given respecting Mr. Burke.
Mr. lIAWES said he wished to call the attention of
the House to the resolution of the Noble Lord (Lord G.
Somerset.) He did not think it was necessary to say a
word more respecting the uprightness of Mr. Burke.
It would be impossible for any person to say what
should be the maximum rate for passengers and
pods. The company, and the company alone, could
rurnish the necessary information on that point
fo• D had id the'

The Hon. Member for Jevon p or t had said that _is wa
a clause which should be inserted in order to remedy the

(19fects complained of ; but he (Mr. Ilitwes) di i
not think it would be possible for this House to frame
any clause by which to fix the maximum rate of
charges. The house had not the power to do so, for the
public were of necessity in the hands of the railway
companies in this respect. For instance, what might be
a fair rate of charge on a locomotive line might nut be
fair upon an atmospheric line; and was this House, then,
prepared to say that they could fix the maximum rate
of charges for each ? It would be a most arbitrary act
to do so, and he would most decidedly divide the House
upon any such clause—he deemed it so impolitic—though
he might not have the slightest chance of success.
Sir GEO. CLERK said he perfectly concurred with
'he Hon. Member that it would be a great absurdity to
- but it

attempt to fix the maximum rate of charges ; out high authority in question 3 ... ..,
would be competent for the House to fix the rate of (Cries of " No," and laughter from the same quarter.) -
charges to be made as tolls. However, he begged other volume was the " Life of M. 111‘Nevin,' who, after he le
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to assure the Honourable Member that in one of the country, recorded the facts of which he was cognizant. 1
the Bills scot before the Committee, the promoters of would be trifling with the time of the House on a greaatnqncs:
the Bill themselves had voluntarily introduced a clause tion like the pres_en, defendingwtiett!roicrl:plyht:niffeocntioles d f
theopi-
by which they proposed to fix the maximum rate of tore condition of Ireland,
charge. nions of one dso litt e weight as hirniself. He agreed in the opinion
expressedby the Hon. Member for Sheffield, that the question o
M. GISBORNE hoped the House would not place
the Irish Church, though not immediately apart of the Maynooth
any degree of confidence either in that or any other Bill Bill, was closely connected with it, and that in discussing the
that should contain such a proposition, one it would be right to refer to the other. It was remarkable
Mr. JAMES STUART WORTLEY believed that
the compensation that had been given was a real and not touching upol on the endowment ofwthhiechlreisvherCagiolic
imn;enthtiswdecrbeaitnehowtimid and delicate the members of the Govern-
a temporary one. lie considered that the course that had Chutch aasraefraid to touch, lest he should
been pursued with respect to this subj
ect
was bet' otfhetithread OlfrYhis arguments on fire. The Right lion.
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one that ought to be well considered.—(Hear.) !Gentleman' the Member for Edinburgh, it was said, proved to
Canals would be no longer able to compete with rail-
demonstration that there was no principle in the Bill; and the
ways—the shareholders in them would be ruined by
Chancellor of the Exchequer said that the question of esta-
the low rate at which the latter conveyed lugge
blishing a Roman Catholic Church in Ireland was raised from
lackiiit ehotf endowmentt argumention .
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couldfhut future." questionTeahouv fe; In this respect, he cordially agreed with the Noble
Lord, but thought the resolution ought tl,l)
bo more stringent. lie would likewise ca
lotions, must have been reading
the attention of the Noble Lord to the high rate
of tolls, as also to the high r-Ite of charge on the inter- appeared dark from excessive light, for a more perfect view
mediate stages on railroads, and to the convenience of of the future could not well have been presented than that vaitb
having additional stations. The public, by the high which the Right lion. Gentleman at thehead of the Government
rate of changes on intermediate stations were in a worse favour ed the House. There was no Roman Catholic
whoa would
condition than before railways were established. not agree that the principle they were now discussi as the
Mr. PAKINGTON said there were several railways establishing of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland. The
carrying goods at so low a rate of charge as to render it Right lion. Baronet at the head of the Government said he
impossible for it to be remunerative. Those companies had no religious objection to the endowment of the Roman
made up the loss by imposing a higher rate of charge on
a 4 whetherdaon
Treason,mseetn of men
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eimillionka re .t)o Catholick HnooefChurch
money,d il
who
or goldi•7o lino acceptu
what of
weresuch
Catholic Church.—(Hear, hear.) The only question was
passengers than they would have been otherwise called
upon to pay. This was most unjust towards the canalethne
companies, and unfair to all the public. lie thought, feelings of the Roman Catholic priests ; but if they offered to
therefore, that some regulation such as that which h
Catholic priests would put their voluntawrpyao oienrrg.yeufilunaslireol yeni
tefr:;Thkiiehi
s.tees
been proposed ought to be adopted.
agLreoerdtoGo.leSaTelnEdimlSeEntT
which hoped
had t the e
bneeonupsero"p.oouseldd, notthe and the money in the other. That was eeiturdhltdear
tened to the speech of the Right lion. Gentleman the Seas"
only effect of which would be to keep up the rate of
of passengers, and all descrip-
charge on all description tar)* of State for the Home Department with admiration fil its
ability. That Right Hon. Baronet had made great sacrifices,
tiol\nir. of goods.
supported
the amendment and he did not believe that any necessity, however pressing.
, and stated
that if the motion of the Noble Lord was acceded to, it would induce him to hide his convictions on such moment.
would tend to suppress sus questions; he believed in his sincerity, bet be very much
would be injurious, as it questioned his sagacity. He was surprised that any man of ins
petition. COM- tellect couldcontemplate the establishment of the Roman Ca-
aloptthe tholic Church in Ireland, and believe he could maintain the
Mr. MORRISON thought it would he advisable to Protestant Church there for five years, after such an establish
.plan which was adopted with regard to the ment. Besides the establishment of two State Churches.
French railways. When tt e fares were lowered there, would be a monstrous anomaly ; for instead of fulfilling the end
the companies were not permitted to raise them until
twelve months hadd ellpse . establish a
discord, immorality, and contention. If they would _
for which they ought to be designed, they would he sources of
Sir G. GREY complained
that proper notice had not English people would
Church ; for it was quite certain the
for the
been given of the motion. their pockets a large sum
Roman Catholic Church they must extinguish the Protestant
never consent to pay out of
After a few words
STANSFIELD, Protestant Churches,
65" C".
a ear.
tar Which it would. It was
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET gave notice that it one established Church
ht e,
ii that (Sir J. Grabens) to
was bill intention, Ca Monday neat, to bring forward a inconsistent in bit Righ
the Catholic, and for the endowment of the