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""s• Ailother rekolotion WiDt to prcpc'se that a
"general meeting of 'delegates sitoni.l take place
at Oldham, or iirtAi other !,htt.c t s might het e.
affer he agreed upon, to consider of best tbeans
of obtaining their ights. Another resolution
was It at a sabscript of should he entered into to
Lleflay the expellee (et prosecuting his. 'Majcsta's
.Ministers. The Resolutionsavere read seprately ;
did not know by at,hom ; but they were read by
some person on the hustings, who was not more
than.a yard from Sir Chat les Walseley. He rather
thought that Sr Charles put the Resolutions.
Many of the ciowd had stitlts--4 all sized sticks.
sometimes held them up in their hands,
brandishing then, as he took it, in approbation of
the Resolutions.: Sir Chalks Wolicley spoke to-
'wards the close of the meeting, said he was the
'determined friend of the people, and that he
Would remain sa wild, he had a drop of blood in
his heart. He remembered his political career in
France. He was one of those who mounted the
ramparts of the Bastile there, and he would not
shrink front attat.hing the Bas!iles of his Own
totintry. Sir Charles spoke with mach warmth.
Me could not hear much of Mr. soeech.
.Johnson real a very dull speech. A sailor Made
a speech, in the course of which he said they
'lllll3l huldly lay held of their own, and then they
,would soon capsize Commodore Sidinanth and
his crew. The flags bore stick insetiptions as
it Annual Parliameuts," " No Corn Laws," and
‘'Voteby Ballot." Mr. Harrison made a speech,
in which he recommended that they should op.
daoiat delegates to present their petition to the
'throne, to see who was there, tor he did not
hnow whether there was a man or a pig on it.
As Ministers had brought in a Bill to indemnity
theinselvei, he thought it wooid be proper that
th" mee'iog should enter into a subscription to
• defray the expence of defending the speakers of it,
in case any thing seditious, had been said. This
Was answered by shouts of " We do, we do."
Cross-exaanined by Mr. -PARll—Spoke to the
peAsteable continct of the inee,ing ; saw no ont-
sAe crop I eti many of them had sticks, which
be.;lloii!ti titre thought troohle9ollld tO carry, but
they alight thick other Wise. lie was scot to
'Vatcit the progress of the meeting by Mr. liar-
rot), the publisinA. of a Mancitenter newspaper,
al:ho was hi; employer. Might have refreshed
his memory hy looking at the paper which ire had
drawn up. Could not swear with I.recise ace{l•
rar,V !O what had occurred. Having tkseribed the
easily part of the .proceedings, he said he aid not
- hear Sit C.. Wolseley say he hoped that he might
depend on the assistance of every one to aid him
ih keeping the peace. He could not say that the
resolution respecting the prosecuting of ;Ministers
was not to the following effect :—" That As the
• Stewards of the Crown are amenable to the law,
tbat a subscription should be enter-
, td into throughout the nation to da:tray the ex-
Penres of making them answer for their conduct
according to the IAW." He had heard it pro-
-Posed that a general meeting should !ake place at
'ol,lhOty, or some other place, that might bg agreed
upon. J„1,11,00 made a very dull speech. It was'
ie'g.al argument to strew that the people were en.
filled I!) Anon ll •Parlliamw tits. He could not say
whether t' etc '..as mote than one nag, but he saw
, iosctii?cions. Witness took no pad in the
Re-examined by Mr. DEACON—Ditr not bold
sap '•is haml for the Resolutions, becanse'he did
not like 'heal ; did not bold tip his hand against
them, bteatese he d;d- hot think that it would he
saee to do so. Tnare was some cry orthe military
enmine, and he.tlien saw some sticks raised, as it
ellPPattd; in defiance. •
—Cross-examined by Mr. PARK—Saw soldiers.
"Witeess felt no alarm. A loud ahnnt announced
that Sir C, Wolseley.was corning., 4
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'Redmond. Shaweross,•exartnined by Mr. LLOYD
•`---Wls at the meeting. V.-hen he-got-to the field,
niAn frOrp- the .Police-Office was knocked down ;
be could' tacit say'who knocked hint down, bat he
...‘,Taa insulted by a great 'Many people. A woman
Ertl 'a'way. The people said the man was a
tpy, and they. Would do al! the rest so. • This was
before the • arriv;al of Sir C. Wolseley. Sail,. Mr.
}garrison on the litistings. as •ioOn"as Sir-C. Wolse-
• ley-had been elected,cheittom. Sir Charles then
,shill • had comtnenteed his military, or some'
, tther career, in France. lie was at the taking of
The Bastile in Tracee, and he hopei k)ett,re lor:g
to be at the tiiith* of the !I,!.it des in Kriglana.
cross-e*try,inee.,by Mr. PeaaloN--,Was `s,ni to
the clerk trf rbt, tiOlice. office at Manchester. Was
turned•Of sixteen. HiS fatter 'had taken him
• to-11,t,' Scetaiol:l;;'feel'co alarm at
• taking a loay (a4erctioned of fffteen) with him on
that occwiion: ITtC was nut positive that Sir
. 'Charles grail .used' the. Words " military career,"
but he said sotnethitag to that effect.
John St eeeelyinlrei t esti-linked by Mr. BetryoN
...-Was as a 'constable.- Went' to the meeting of
the 2Sih June as• a spectator. , Saw .Sir Charles
Wolseley and Mr.. Harrison on the hustings.—
. .'They
appeared to hue been previously acquaint-
. ed. He heard Sir C. Wolseiey say. that he had
'Commenced: his political career in France, and had
-been oee of the tits! it, assist in taking the Basile,
and ho red shortly- to do the saute in England.-
116,0 y of them.had sticks that were of to unusual
bein'griearly as large as his arm. When there
Iratra erralsat. toe atvalty, wele.ooliiiiig, be went
to a public'house, ono' pearl) those who were
Ihere, alid who hat; st.icits, express a wish that the
cavalry would_ come that day, as they were pre-
Pared for them: They spoke of Sir Wolseley'
as being their friend.
Cross-estatnitted by. Mr. Pattla—All those who
were at the public house had, sticks. ale sup..
Posed they might kito'iv him to be a constable:
'Ye.knew some. of theta very well ; one of them
be hid had in. custody. 'He did not hear Sit
Charles exhort the people to keep the
peace. Whatehe bad aeid about the hostile, he
belieyed,ocenrretrat the close of his speech, He
!law one man with a • pistol in his right band
Oteecbes pocket. lie sate roe handle of it: Ile
imagined it was not the handle of a pistol. tinder
box that he saw.

Tbonpts Cartiveight, eitatnitterl by. Mr. Serjettot
Gloss-.—lNkts a :Metter, ' in Stockport
)11. June lost. Bt,„, those „H Iw attended the
iiteeting on ,_their tv,;y ICI, it. Ave.re La, or.
most of them, Ititti.;soe-4) huge sticks ; some
the:e had great knobs, and lii.pcdrtcl to litte

been recently talten from the trees, The appear-
ance o; toe erum.,l excited in him some fear and
apt), ehension. 11, went to. Mr. Lloyd, and told
hint what •he 'met seen he afterwards saw the
persons he I-en-talked at the meeting still furnished
wit ii sticks. The body of the meeting cont-isted
ut men, out there might he some
Chilareo onside. He thou'. ht the first words that
he heard from S;r Chatles Wolseley were, "-three
his;es for the prosecntors of Baguely,
nl, and Johnson," or sumethiw4 to that
eff.ter. his4e4 were given. Witness was
afraid, that if the multitude (3buot five thougand),
should he influence.' by. speeches, I.ke .those
usually made on SUCO occasions, the consegnences
would be serious.

Cross-examined by Mr. PEARSON—Thought the
consrvences of the meeting might be serious,
twin the weapons with which they were armed.—
M any hondreds—some thousands who attended the
meeting, had sticks which seemed to have been
recently taken Itom the oak !recs. Heard the
person pointed out to him tt9 Sir C. ‘Voiseley Nay
something about hisse., and hiss himself. The
women and children on the outskirts, bad an at-
t.ack then made by the cavalry, would have been
in great danger of being destroyed.
Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant Caos4---There
was no cavalry iu sight. The women and children
at the outskirts might b-,Ve got away, .
Ralph Oldham, post-master at Stockport, (ex-
amined by Mr. AGH WORTH) proved that he hail
received a note Irom Sir C. Wolseley,,expressH.P,
a belief, that a letter from him to MI.. Harrison
bad beett.imptoperly delayed at the Post-office.
A letter, written by Mi. Harrison to BaguelY,
was put in find read. This described the proceed-
ings of Ow 2&h of June, and shoved that he had
a share in them, and approved of them.
This and the former letter were proved by two
witnesses to be in the band-tvtitiog of Sir C.
Woiseley and Mr. Harrison.
Aaron Collier, exaioined, by Mr. WILLIAMS—
Was a constable. Attended the meeting of the
28th of bine. He heard somebody say,
," there
is a Nadin's runner, and he comes-as a spy." He
was their immediately kii,p,-.ked down; the blow
took away his senses, and he was removed from
the groom!. Wher t.',2 revived he found some wo-
men attendin.!
by P.actt.7.-He had. not
searched any liet:oo on his way to the meeting
that morning. He did lint take notice of what
was said of bin 1:e bad said nothing to provoke

any one.
e tine case fr.r the prosecution closed.

Mr. Ps SNP!i in defence of Sir C.
Wok-. alone. fie I.t,n never felt more embar-
rassat than he experienced on the present oc-
casion, not :dm account or the weigh( of the evi..
deuce (for :hat. was of such a character that he
thought he might congratulate Sir C. Wolseley
on the refutation of the reports which tad long
bf-en circulated respecting him) ; but the em-
barrassment which be 'felt arose from Rome-
heosioii that they taight be unconsciously biass-
ed, in despite of themselves, by those reports
which they could not hut hare beard. The
fimst count, as they bad been told by his Ho-
uourable. Fuicnds (who, 00 this, as on every oc-
casion had conducted thesoselves with the ereate.st
candour and generosity) charged the defendants
with caliiog and attending a seditious meeting. A
conspiracy could not be proved against sir Ci
‘l7ol,eley with the other (iriendam, as it was not
shown that toe parties had ever met before, but
a few miuttii previous to the meeting. Mr. Jos-
tice Bayley had, in charging the Jury at York,
rod down the kw, "that carious individuals might
Purina- the same obik.ct, and yet not be liable raihe
tonvicted of n conspiracy, unless it were proved
that they acted un some common plan adopted
with the privity of all." A letter 1,34 been put in
from Sir C. Wolseley, hut this letter 'Baal` been
written two flays after the meeting, and referred
to one said to have been written four days before.
:--'ipposiog this letter to have been written, of
which :l.ere was no proof, still would hi: contend,
I under all the circumstances of the easeohat,there
was not the. leant skolow of evidence to prove
there defendants y of a conspiracy. Het hen
Applieft himself to the secomi count, which charged
.thern with assisting at an illegal meetiog. He
quoted the description of an illegal meeting from
Mr. Serjeant Hawkins,. and contending that this
did not app;),- to the meeting iu question, asserted,'
in the strongeto terms, the light of'the subject to
pcirinit. for the redress of grievances. The pro-
posed general meeting at Oldham appealed more
chimerical than any thing not only in real life, but
surpassing all that bad been seen. even iii comic
fiction. The scenes described by Gulliver—
the flappers, to quicken the memory of those
be describes—tlie water-mill built on a moun-
tain, and the notable scheme for extracting stin-
..beanas from a cucumbar, were all rational pro-
jects compared with the chimerical plan of as-
sembling the whole population of the people in
the village of Oldham. Those who could be
alarmed at such proceedings he could not but re-
gard as somewhat akin to those timid persons
mentioned by Swift, who could not rest at night
from aim apprehension that while they slept,
the world might be destroyed by the tail of
some passing comet. 'flint the meeting was
illegal he most positively denied, and he defied
those opposed to him to Drove that it was called
in opposition to the law of the land. Nor
was the conduct of those who attended it ille-
gal when they were assembled. The resolution
which proposed that, a subscription should be set
on foot to defray the expenses of prosecuting the
Ministers, proved that they intended to proceed
in conformity with the laws of their country.—
What was to niek~ the meeting illegal ? Not its
numbers ; for had numbers made a meeting il-
legal, where would have been the necessity of
passing those Acts which macre framed in the last
Session of Paili,iment, and which went to,regti-
late time numbers by which meetings might be at-
tendet-M ) Would such a law-baie been necessary,
if numbers could make a meet iaig illegal before
He stioogly pointed out the. awful consequeocrs
which (1)061 fo.llow it public liberty were abridged
too much, and called upon time Jury to parmie.be-
fbre they gave a verdict that would have such a'
tendency. lime assault comtnitted on the constable
took place before Sir C. \Volseley had left his
lodgings. The sticks (which had been variously

iirSeribeel) lied-teeeti according to some of
the witnessee, and so had the bet!, and both were
hired with the same reeling, and nothing of hos-
tility was connected wi!h the display of either.-
-One. avitnees had described a conversation said to
have taken place its . public house, in SOlne
persons were said. to have expressed. a wish that
the cavalry might come, as they were prepared
for them. Had this fact been true, the constable
had but ill perfortned his dray in net bringing
the parties were not unknown to hie),
in a Court of Justice. Bet the evidence of that
pfrsolt he did not think entitled to their atten•
(ion ; What could it be thought, eve;i armed
with their stick'., they were copehle of effect-
ing, or believed themselves capable of effecting
against cavalry ? One witness lied said there were
several banners displayed, • but on cross-exemiva-
tion he could not swear that there was more than
one. But at York it hail been proved, that a
number of banners had been displayed, and it had
also been shewn that a preeiaue training bad
tiekee place, and yet Mr. Hoot and his brdt her
Oefendatos were not found guilty on those counts
which charged these things as matters of offence.
But thee 4 cap of liberty had been displayed. The
Jury knew that this symbol had originally been
adopted as an ensign, front the use made of it
among the Romans on the maeurnissiou of a slave.
He shewed that it adorned our public edifices,
end wal carried before the King himself when he
went to meet his Parliament. But the Cap of
Liberty bad been abused by Fiend' Revolu-
tionists; -soilles the wield " Liberty" 'itself, but
were we on that account to expunge it from our
language because a similar word might be found
in the leuguege of France ? That the ecelronatious
or the hisses which had been mentioned did not
make the meeting every one must feel
there was in fact nothing illegal connected with
the proceedings of the meeting ; ate! he had got
out of one of the witnesses, that it any at wilt on
the cavalry had been contemplated,• in such at-
tack the wives and children of the inewthere
aff-
setnbleil must have fallen the first victims. It,
however, the Jury were of opinion that the meet-
ing was illegally called, still the evidence die! not
go. to prove that with which Sir C. IVolseley
had been charged in this, indictment. Mr.
Harrison had been said- to have used very dis-
respectful words towards the King. , Mr. Harri-
son was here to explain or to deny the words al-
luded to, and be and his eFent (sir Charles Wol-
seley) hail nothing to do with them. He then
commented on the contradictions which appeared
in the evidence, .and in particular' noticed that of
Johnson, who recollecting certain words tri.ich
he described Sir Charles Wolseley to have ut-
tered, could not remember the order in which
the speakers bad addressed the crowd. The words
which he had stated Sir Charles to have spoken
had not been sworn to by any of the other
witnesses. What Sir Chat les Wolseley bed been
described to s,ly of pulling down Bastiles in
this couarry, might be regarded as spoken hypo-
thetically. 'That Sir Charles, it similar edifices'
were raised in !hie country, :.would be disposed
to.pell theta down might be true, and for this he
wcinid not be thought 'very etilpable. But a figure
of rhetoric Otteht to be considered charitably, end
this-done, ad that could be inferred from the ex-
pression used by i,inl client was, that he was a
strong friend,to the liberty of the people, awl a
'strong enemy to illeeel land arbitrary Government.
He then proceeded- to show, trout the snow-ion of
Sir C. t'll.olseley, how extremely improbable. it
was that lie could be friendly to a reevolutioo in
this eonnt'iY. lie spewed that the Barottetie title
was not a title.ot yesterday ; he had a wife and
numerous offspring, and every thing. connected
with him, madeeit impossible that he could desire
the overthrow of the English Constitution.
HARRISONMr. spoke'nearty as follows :—Gen.
denten, stand • before you in aLyeryperticular
situation.. I was compelled by force to plead to
the iedictment, awl I pleaded not guilty. The
cause was afterwards removed to 'the Court of
King's. Bench, anti as 1 stand before' you in the
manner that I. do, I think it necessary to say a
few things, perhaps many things, even for Once
or four hours. Si) I beg of you, Gentlethen, to
exercise'the greatest patience. And first; I most.
coil .your attention to the speech of Mr. Marshall,.
one lit the Judges on the Bench, as it seems par-
ticularly addressed to my case, Iminhleindividnal
as I am. Elete the defendant read some extracts
from the Learned Judge's. speech, and in coin-
menting on that part which talked of desperate
adventurers being abroad, lie said it would be for
the Jury to •deterneine Icons- the evidence they
beard, whether be was one of those classed under
the title of desperate adventurers. It could never
have been designed for the Honourable Baronet ;
and if- it were not intended for me, it was wholly
irrelevant to the bosinest of, the Assizes, I being
the only person charged with the crimes alluded
to. If it were not for this speech, I do not know,
Gentlemen, that I would have addreseed rot ;
and not: having money to fee a Counsel,. 1 was
obliged to defend myself. Bet if I fall, the card)
shall quake us I do ; I shall not fall Without vio-
lencethat is, the violence of my prosecutors.
If in the heat of a discout se my,figures 'nay have
been too strong, what public speaker can escape ?
Did I stand before you conscious of ohne, my
conscience would feel it. Had I any intention ire
producing a sanguinSty Revolution, I would take
the Bar and plead guilty, AVlten I considered the
sham indictment—when I coosidered I was bound
hand and, foot with the Honmirable Baronet, I
looked to see Where. ,1 was to be plunged, aye,
even into hell. For the indictment, it is not
worth reading. Had I beep unjustifiable in
.my
condoct, I simuld not object to being' tried, but
am conscious of no crime. I love my country;
and if I am asked whet is, my country to. use,
say.l love it, and it is necessary for me to !indi-
cate my character to you HMI to my country,
It I ant torn 'from the partner of my bed, my
country will succour bet. ; if I ND banished
from my lovely babes, ,my country will main-
rein them, and, instead of one father they will
find ten. With• the -strength of Heaven I than
now improve the- opportunity afforded me, and
vindicate toy character. I wish not for m4'-
0-flee—l. wish not for plunder ; and however
Reform Joey be
.called " nostrum," I say
that whatever makes knaves honest., and bid men
gout!, must rave a service to the community.—

Reform would, I know, in a pleat measure, effect
there tie—slrqbfe*-Abileorsee 1:do iteirtvent the rictus
of others, itor do I think Parliameniary Refui
would make poor men rich, or rich men poor. If
I give a wrong direction to my Lord's speech, I
hope he'll rectify it. Once the Constitution is
gone, it is gone for.ever •so say I ; and "
despotism will ensuee" that is what thelle-
formers have all along dreaded. I take it for
granted, Geotlenien, that you read the. newspa.
tern.--that you feed what is diem in the House
of Commons ; yoo can jaidge 'Attie propriety
of what is said o!-. it by the Learned Judge.
teke it also for vented that you have read the
Chester Chronicle, in which his charge is' contain-
rd, and it is Oti that account I dwell so [aisle()
epon it, That the Consf itetion.ot Great Britain
is excellent none of us doubt, but not that as
established by 1. v, or else it would he a most
fluctuating Constitution. And if any laws be
added to it, it cannot remain the Constitution, but
must changie, and sometimes be better and some-
times worse. " Vagabond Orators," says the
Speech, were to effect improper things—haieh
expression in any sense, but more,so as applied
to me. I Wave endeavoured to stop the progress of
vice•epd- irreligion, which are abounding in the
prei'eaq,day. The cheering doctrines of redethp-
tiou have been my constant theme, and are still
die delight of my soul. It -it be blasphemy to
glory in the troths of the Gospel—Jo be grateful
that.our Divine Saviour came down from I-leaven,
and took un hint the nature of man', for the pur-
pose of securing us a' victory over aria, Hell. and
the (have--then : indeed have I been a " Vaga-
bond Orator"—then have. I been a blasphemer.
Petnphlets, containing improper things, have been
circulated ; but I consider it an Englishman's
right to read every work, and then think of it as
he feels proper. That cannot' be considered as a
right in any man for the exercise of which he
may be puuished.—Mark the " buts," .Gentle-
men ; we have rights, but it once they are exer-
cised, they render men liable to be punished. At
the meeting at Stockport one fourth of the inha-
bitants only were at the meeting. Surely one- is
not a match for four ; bstreindeied, it has not been
proved that any terrorein poptili was used. 1 hope
it will not be said here, as it was said in Scotland,
that Scotch law is not English law,,eand that Che-
shire law is net also English I tw. It is not trom
your prejudices, Gentlemen, that I expect or fear
for any thing. 1 hope 'you will not defile your
oaths ; and it you give a verdict contrary to the
evidence, you will do so. The leaders of Reform.
are charged with sauctioning military training.:. I
know of none who do so ; and if such practices
were now -followed, it would be against the lan :
that I know ; but then it 'is • because• of a re-
cent enactment that wakes- it illegal. But the
Reformers are charged with every thing to
bring them info disrepute.' What is said a
large meetings of the -people equally applies to
election and other county meetings.
not say the indictment was framed to murder two
iencicent individuals--no, that would' be too
strong; I dare not say sir ; but I say, the sabre
has pierced to the vitals, and was- only prevented
killing because it cndi' not reach far enough.
Then we have something on the Cato-street coo.,
spiracy, as it is called, I suppose, to connect ine
with those foolish, absurd, rash men, who en-
gaged in such an enterprise. Some. gentlemen
behind me won't let me speak. Perhaps there
are some men who WOuld accuse me of participat-
ing with the men on whom senteoce was so To-
lemaly protiouneetl this morning ; but of that I
am wholly guiltless. Why was sentence pro-
nounced on them this morning, it not in some
measure or tattoo to be; connected with me ,by
some association of ideas ? The attempt- at Birch
was an injury to tee,` en injury to the .cause of
liteform, and- it 1 saw the man lift- -the pistol
againu hint, I would have interposed and saved
hint. Birch behaved to me like a getitlernati, like
a friend; and I hate the man -who could ateemPt
to assassinate him. If we
.had base designs--if
we were such villains as are, described in' the
Learned Judge's aoeeeli, .we would deserve the
punishment that impends town us: I do not think.
it worth. while to comment on the praises Oct,
-to the Magistracy. The Chester Yeomanry " fleor
to arms,"—civil war, Gentlemen, " ffew io arias,"
not against the Spanish, not to cur down the French
or Germans ; anti should not I be very neglectful to
myself, if,' as it may be,'ybe 'are some of these
praised people, •not to notice this speech. You
are all strangers to me, but you ate Englishmen,
and every Euglishmari 1 love. But we are " pre-
tended Reformers ;" still hypocrites—that herts
'the ; we have been zealous and sincere, and we
have shewr, ourselves in earnest to obtain tares.:
for our grievances. We have grievances, and.
while we use every -zeal to procure Reform,'
cannot abide it that we should be called hypocrites.
pretended Reformers [involuntary laughter here
burst forth, from' the vociferous manner la which
'the list-passage was expressed]. You might
have hitherto heard that Juries have done their
.duty; so far good. I hope all Juries will do
their duty. So much for the, Learned Judge's
speech es tar as refers to one individual. I can't
suppose my dilating. on his speech will offend the
Learned Judge, for lie looked upon me while I was
so doing withe very pleasant countenance [loud awl
continued latighter through the. Court.] Gentle-
men of the Jury, I hold in toy hand swelter help,
unbought, unasked, unsought, end unexpected,
as it that Providence steho knew, toy condition
had given me a help whermostl needed it. That
help is " A few brief Remarks by Jeremy Ben-
tharn,--(a laugh,)--a great •lawyer, one of the
ablest in Engleud, perhaps I might say in the
world, and I • iiare say, if their . -Lordships spoke
orliim, they would say the same. _But, Gentle-
men, I have not yet read over the indictment., and
I shall proceed to read it.--(Langliter.)—He here
read it as we have given it in the catty part of
our Report, anti as he read, it excited the conti-
nued risibility of the crowds who heard him. He
now• cotton( need (a quarter to seven (Mock)
reading Bentham's Remarks, and it;he' perseveies
in going through them, the trial must be resumed
iglu) to-morrow.

Mr. Lot has contradicted the,staternent 0, the Leeds Pa-
per, that he Icft.Yor'a ssitliout ht tp.t.rh bill. Ile
lived io private ledaings in that City.