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Dardeent and aspiring. He did not think that, when the Roman ' Gentleman touse, when in oppposition, passions with which he
l'i,dic priesthood were better educated, they would be mote had not the slightest sympathy, and prejudices which he
ikely to give their acquiescence to the possession of half a mil- disavowed.—( Renewed cheering.) When a htharete a
thin
hy the Protestant cletgv, while they themselves got ne- salutary change—took place, his former coadjutors were
o.l_ F. He expected to hear from the Right Hon- Gentleman &sots d— ( Cheers) his supporters were disregarded
the alenaber for Newark (Mr. Gladstone) .some powerful emu- (Cheers) —and the ladder by which he had risen to power
__Fats on this subject, hut though he 'gave him credit for the was thrown down.—( Gi eat cheering.) That has been the
motives which actuated him, he confesses) he was di‘aPpointed course of tie! Right. lion. Baronet.—(Cheer,. ) I will not
at the result of his speech. Be was afraid that, if this rnea- new go ,aver the events ot eighteen years. I will not say what
sure passed, others still more alarming wenn follow ; and if so. °yew., eil in 1 .27 or 1829. —( Great cheering.) I will only
13e believed that the nolumus fp fano mtri of the Irish say that one sea change was enough for one such Minister.
ei;'Ythee.4
'lnman Catholic clergy would 1 e 'converted, by an (Cot tinned cheeerine. ) lie and those with whom he acts
, ennow
alteration, j intot•olurnos epis) copari,_( Hear, hear. ) return again to that ::curse.—( Hear, hear.) I will not now eo
aside th-eay' equal
claims
as I regret thorn, by which the
would b eti Meynnieli. an the Disoniters of the country , int, he eircam tanctes, much
neon tla it literality. They had cost Government of Lord •lettieurne w.,s overthrown. I will only
Principle, and'coudd on; refuse then no the sh Ping ' ask, was there ever a single body ot men who relied on the
aside
of expediency. Put the'- Rightr Hon. Baronet should night ince,. B,reriet whim he his not again and again bitterly
awing forward proofs that the present meaeire was expedient, , disappointed ?—( Cries of " Na, no," and cheers. ) Well, then,
B a ryonn
n 1 then he wan bound toshow that the argument, of ex- I leave the management of this question to the landed gentry.
t edieney was a justifiable one The Bila, Honourable i —(Cheers, and loud laughter.) I must refer however to this,
Meant
neottisihould also clearly define the lengthg to which he ' that the clamour which did the most injery to the G vernment
111 to go in concessions of this nature—whether the of Lord Melbourne was the cry of "No Popery."—(Cheers.)
grant was to stand alone or be accompanied Now, what is, the statement we hear to-night from the Hon.
phi other such concessions. After the manner in Gentleman the Member for Donegal, that he supports, the
ch thethe measure had been received by Mr. O'Connell, measure upon principle, but does any man believe. that. if my
it, organ of the people of Ireland, he could not wonder that Noble Friend beside me had brought in this Bib,
tis: people of England were displeased at it. That Hon. Gen • it would not he Mewed by the whole of that
talnan said it had been exto tal b eitation and as long as Honourable Gentleman's ploy ?—(Loud cheers.) Four
aieitcaeissrti?lished Church remained in aPrelaneL, there would be years ago a very different Bill was brought in, the oh-
- a ton of that agitation. 'The Protestants abstained
.from ject of which was to disfranchise the Catholics of Ireland by
Church' repeal solely because of their love of the Established tens of thousands, but the party which then supported the
"v ay over
; but if once this bulwark were overthrown, English
'Right Hon. Gentleman represented the Bill as calculated to
Roe. _lreland would be uncertain and precarieus. The do the greatest. good, and to purge the House of Commons of
reeh_aalember concluded by saying he would oppose the the minions of Popery.—( Laughter.) We asked you to wait-
-111r.5e.
to let it go to the next session. No, no time must he lost;
ae
to fold ACAULAY rose and said—Sir, I have no intention the thing must be done immediately. The change took place.
'ow the Hon. Gentleman who last sat down into the di.- You have now been four years in power—you could have passed
cussinn of
the e. an amendment which really has nothing to do with the Rill, if you pleased, and when yo.u. pleased. Where is it
anite'lluulect under the consideration of the Houses—Meer.) now ?It is flung away—it Is positivly pronounced by its
expeer mY Hon. Friend the Iliereber for Sheffield thinks it author to he so destructive to the representative system that no
tas _lent to propose to us his motion on the subject which he Government could venture to carry it on.—(Cheers. ) What
kaeaoften introduced to the notice of the House. I may per_ have you given instead? A Bill for the endowment of Maynooth.
oi:
sr. equire the indulgence of the House whilst I offer my opi- —( Great cheering.) Did any one ever see such a tour of
yet: At Present it is sufficient for me to explain my legerdemain ?—( Cheers and laughter.) You imposed on the.
I can the second reading of this Bill, and I think honest, hot-hea led Protestants; they looked on your Bill with
I ca-n-not do better that', to review as rapidly as delieht, and see what you have given in its place.—( Cheers. )
arthel'atellr
the objections which have been urged in and out of Do you wonder, then, at the clamour that deafens you ?
against them. I think these objections for the (Cheers.) Do you wonder that petitions come upon the table
the fir.tp,rt
i may be ranged under three distinct classes. In as thick as snow-storms.—( Cheers.) Is it a wonder when for
not 4.1 Ace, a large body of persons who it would seem did the very measures of concessam which you opposed when we
propc,ett' . now object to the grant to Maynooth, object to the were in office, yon now whip your unwilling followers to the
'Pectable 'Circa". There is a second class, a large and re- vote.—(Cheers and laughter.) Is it any wonder that
Fuse the ‘,Y, who object to any grant whatsoever. They op-. those ferocious spirits whom you roused to harrass us
are not' ugiers,a,nt,aa well as the increase. The • conceive that we should now torment yourselves?—(Cries of " Hear, hear. )
'lll. 1 --"" as individuals or a Government in so orting the Do you wonder that Exeter Hall sets up its bray—( Laughter )
for the Must say that my opinion is, that theyPPwho voted and that Mr. MsNeil proclaims that the priests of Baal are
he 26,(fT3ir of 9,000 L, are bound to ;tee for the higher grant feasted at the table of Jezebel?—( Great cheering and laughter.)
"in keg ' and 1 shall be surprised, though it may not If you thought that, having raised the spirit of religious ani-
for the ,ping with Parliamentary tactics, that those who vote mosity, you could lay it as speedily as you raised it, you will
nforerntehiepi9entohul. this year should vote against it next. To the be doomed —the day of reckoning mst still come, and that day
ttanoot 0 di any Public erant Ido most decidedly object, but I has now come. The Right Hon. Baronet, as a public man,
erstand on what principle they art who, while voting is arraigned before the House and the country, to show. us
sake
of ,000/., object to ay increaseof'that rant for the some real principle with respect to Irish affairs which has
andersta
ay oaereetifYing the errors- of which they complain. They guided you in office and opposition. Show us how, if you are
lug a &et to the claim of the Catholic Church, as be- honest in 1845, 3ou could have been honest in 1841. Ex-
durch teaching a system of error, but I cannot plain to us how after,. when out of . office, you goaded.
Ex-
hen how they can object to an increase of Ireland into madness, in order to ingratiate yourselves with
ikpertnt whie,
a Parliament has yearly voted for the England, you now in place turn round and throw England
Peri, t development of a principle which that same into a flame, in order to ingratiate yourselves with Ireland. Let
reeyl:_lneht has year by year allowed and advocated. You es hear some argument showing to us that, as a Minister, you
have once thit establishment as teaching errors, but if you are entitled to support which will not equally show that you
rite,
as" voted for its support, you cannot at least condemn its were the most factious and unprincipled Opposition that ever
111)1101dt_ superstitious.—( Hear, hear.) You may shrink from this country produced. 'These are my opinions respecting the
ao, yen'greMaynooth in all its ncient splendour, but if you do conduct of Ministers. But. am I, therefore, to answer the ap-
ear„ at least bound to prnvide it with the means of Ivote against
Peal of the Hon. Ifl,rr.ber for Shrewsbury, and
loon mut.hat splendour into effective exercise.—( Hear, hear. ) this Bill? Not so. I believe both the Bill and the Minister to be
that
tohaL not give to the able and effective minister of truth, in our hands. The inconsistency of the Minister has certainly
You e,."lch you would be ashamed to offer to your groom. produced mischief, but will that mischief be lessened if incon-
that who called upon to make a grant which is worse than sistency is to be displayed on this side of the House ?
which it
to hoe I" You give to the Irish common soldier. You expect that this Bill in itself—and the circumstances under
_it is
pig,
sho,r homestead calm, and yet you are anxious that the brought in by the Tories, or whatever they call themselves—
Repel touts' rejoice in their stye. If you do really desire to do will Produce many evils, but these evils would, in my opinion,
question the Catholic Church, why nco do so effectually—why be doubled, if it were to be rejected by the Whip,. and, there-
ready , the propriety of giving 26,000/- when you have al- fore, it seems tome it would turn the opinion of this House into
Port tgiven 9,0001. for the same object ? If Yon are to sup- one vast shipwreck, as well as the whole public character of
them 'Man Catholic establishment resPec'ahlY, at leant England. It has, therefore, induced me to restrain
b in. the means of obtaining that respectability without my feelings, and I have determined to give to this Bill
iratuediaret
Ge4rll dePendent en
the-matterour w ill or the capi lee of a through all its stages my most steady
.support,
ent, and if
.(si.ivernment which may
ter e and instant consideration. Do you exaect that a appear to me likely to make Great Britain and Ireland a freely
thittustt like this. is to be counted as a matter of course? D, sem united kingdom. I give such support regardless of all obloquy
think oat this is to move as a matter of course? Do you arid at the ri-k of losing my seat in Parliament. The obloquy
tl that thishigh and holy work is', he promoted as a master so ren-ed I shalt look upon as glory. My seat in Parliament I
your Yis-the cultivation of this 20,600. individuals?' You' 'have shall resige. ~ rid eon-i ter it no igimminious tender, feeling a'.
mdrailloble cathedrals and lofty windows, your stained glass cured that I could never lose it in a more hnnourab'e cause.
your affluent appliances, to make your religion honour- —( The Hon. Member resumed his seat amidst loud cheers. )
4ble jacttpresent, and useful for the future. I have no desire to
restr Mr. SHAW confessed that he did not sufficiently rid r
ore it is that. I support a
lheref the Principleof endowing established communities and from the hirer part of the observations made by the lb&
Bill which. like this, is 'most Hen. Gentlemen as to render it necessary for him to trouble
Itilek_elYeto secure the welfare of the lower classes. It is well the Howe with wit? lengthened reply to them.—(Heas, hear.)
rn•leuswt t.h a t the conduct of the universities in this country is He need not, therefore, assure the House that it Wa% his pain-
genii:4lY to excite the sense of injustice with which the ful duty to oppose those with whom he had all along co-ope-
Yoe hfs of Oxford and the sizars of Cambridge are implicated, rated. It was truly painful to him to do so, but if he were not
mend, e your Margaret of Anjou, Your Margaret of Rich. to support the amendment of the Hon. Member for Newcastle.
the
You have your founder, of colleges ; an wat a result he should be acting contrary to the dictates of hi! own con-
et the arrive at? You come to the end of the story; you arrive ac;enee. He was in Ireland when a copy of this Bill, and the
0,„
the that all your royal colleges have to be supported speech of his Right Hon. Friend the First Minister of the
t;e' principle of Dotheboys Hall. There was it is true, a con- Crown, was received, and he had no recollection of anything
'act With the Irish Parlament, but how was that contract having given more pain—such deep distress to the Protestants
avere fulfilled? By a disregard of all principle, a shirking of of Ireland—as did both the Bill and the speech. In using
obligation,
eawndhoanob.uetter contemptt for equity and truth, the term Protestants he did not mean the men to whom the
There ar som
,giyant to Maynooth, on the Right Hon. Gentleman had just alluded, and whose petitionA
Principle that it is entirely ntetedieses
tom its entire exoneration was presented the other night b the Honourable tem-
Lfrom all claims of social and civil olir these will onlyd
norber tordiulnattorough. He disapproved of their language,
ey, what is the difference betweeny• 9,0001.represent their sentiments, but he_
54°,000/ ? I must come to the point as to what doctrineseer willeri spoke of calm, dispassionate, and reasonable men, many of
eue Preached by the Church of Rome, and lam satisfied that whom had all their lives been friends to the political equality of
does
will be made upon her that she teaches error. If she their Roman Catholic brethren. Like the Hon. Member for
teach such errors it is plainly evident that those Newark, they looked upon this grant as the first religious
trtors are the result of the system which has in this country endowment of the sort since the revocation of the Roman Ca-
that" imposed upon her ; and it should further be remembered tholic establishment in connexion with the State. They re-
set; .in the inculcation of truth there is an obligation, in garded it as a clear indication thet henceforward Ireland was not
t
L.a.e instances, far above the law, and that inculcation would to be treated as an integral portion of the United Kingdom.—
ao,eervl ere, one to appreciate his position in the social circle, (Laughter.) They regarded it as the heaviest blow that had
Which ahle him to arrive at a point, if he could arrive a' all, in ever been struck either by foe or by friend to the Established
chided." doubts should be resolved and his hesitation be con- Church of Leland. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for
!elan/
, _,Yzee have heard something of Church extension, and Edinburgh first attacked the arguments of those who did not
linaits, I Zile to see that extension promulgated to its utmost object to the grant, but objected to its increase. He (Mr.
~..e same time repudiate whatever errors there may Shaw) was one of those. Hitherto be had looked upon the
b" in the
What / e__ek.:ll.urch of Rome, and acknowledge my fealty to grant with the greatest possible indifference. He thought it
of Evan ive to be the despotic Government of the Church a doubtful policy to continue it, but he also felt it was impos-
eat, / "u* Yet while acknowledging this despotic govern- sible to to take it away without bringing upon many indivi -
Whirl, cannot, at the same time, appeal against those powers duals whose support depended on it, very great pecuniary ern-
wow
render any Government the conservators of barrassment. He however agreed with the Hon. Member for
litt9brol't morals. With respect to the errors of the Church of Newark, that no compact existed upon this subject, but he
le.li.gion'evirel,ili_he_g to say that I prefer that there should be the altogether differed from those who said there was no distinc-
en 1 thie,'_",e, church of Rome rather than no religion at all, Lion between the proposed and the past grant. On the contrary,
ate
of tbat while that religion is acknowledged, it is a there was an obvious distinction. The Right lion. Gen leman
relill., tnit`eo:wheb t State to support it in its integrity., next alluded to the objections of those who opposed the grant
are
.you to do which may conduce to their on the ground of religion. Now, he would at once declare,
etliglana beneeat
‘4 of ea,,t, ' Will any man, after the last twenty years that he totally repudiated the doctrine of the Honourable and
,hi give arlence, think, that by keeping away this grant, you Learned Member for Bath, because he did not think it was just
iks
so, it zipul se 'to the Protestant religion ? It any man or right to say Parliament or the country could make no dis-
tak he ought to vote against the present mea- tinction between two religions. True, they did not make any
t'oliqnresi--oetTieoaur ) . But Ido not think so.—(Cheers.) The practical distinction, but unless they admitted the power of man
iProo,,e 5 Which I have stated satisfy me ; and, although to make some distinction latitudinarianism would usurp
a: hetterrslt error is not my wish, what I say is, that I think the place of the real and established religion.—( Hear, hear. )
ilrde sheen at Christianity with any form is better than the en- The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that he treated that
onet of religious i t '
us ruction.—( Hear, hear.) Although argument with. contempt. It might be so. They had the
aPProve of
os:.
peo,i. 'other
lit the _
,e that form, which has a strong influence highest authority for saying that it was not to the scribe or the
tlitlqt in an i'vli of Ireland, yet I think that if we disputant of this world that these things were made plain ; hut
way provide for the religious instruction of this he might say, that it was sufficiently intelligent to the
Ire et poop It le better to confer upon them this boon, even in moral sense of the community that their religious feeling was
tie: in ltliele error.—(Cheers.) I think that there is great violated. When he heard Englishmen at this time of the day
Reeerrch of argument against the State endowment of the saying that there was nu difference between truth. and religion,
tines al rule,
,line. Yet I think that if that is to he taken as a he would ask why was it part of the Constitution that the
((la aPIAY tOn
! argument in favour of the voluntary system reigning Sovereign of this realm must be a Protestant ? Why
kers.)
p I'S ease, which ought to be an exception.— was it that Protestantism was by law established in every por-
pean_Qns, e ca._°__v in that island, with a population of eight tion i f the empire ? The Hon. Member for Newark let fall an
sil —"Sea a ".ur.ch With a population of little more than 800.000, expression the other night, that he could not understand what was
°tie s tuition of revenue—the income of its archbishops indicated by the term Protestantism, and that there were
l'ale e aueedine
forts Ine, in to 70,000 T.—( Hear, hear.) You have at the many who repudiated that term. He (Mr. Shaw) would not
fikh. (Hear n.e north of Ireland, an endowment in another enter into any logical arguments with his Honourable Friend
the :Irths of'
,tear. ) But you have in the back ground, the Member for Newark, but he thanked God that the name
all tr.tateaes le 'lle population, without any assistance from of Protestantism was yet intelligible to the understanding and
is, ue origi,nnear, hear)—and theirs is the religion for which dear to the hearts of Englishmen.—( Hear, hear)—and whe-
at/1,41,e gaite4',entdowments were intended.—(Cheers.) This ther it be through the Romanism of ecclesiastics or the want
afte-urgst o,he'rnY Itself. I was astonished to hear Gentlemen of fixed principles on the part of their political leaders, used
the ell:'!4sing it,.,he Hon. Member for Shrewsbury—say that, for the purpose of alienating the affections of the people of Eng-
eadta:un of,keullemeasure, it would be impossible to resist land from the Church, and shaking their confidence in the
)oft th!nent,...._,wesleyan Methodists of England to a similar Government, they would forget the true meaning and forsake
" thet'u_k so, eshe tieohear, hear," from the Tory benches.) Well, the cause of Protestantism, then in his soul h e believed
.k,r!
~7 the 811._ r: hear ) But are the case, analogous? that the days of England
.as a nation. would
trieelareen miteionntest resemblance?—( Hear, hear.) There bo numbered, and the glories of this !wintry
'et y millions$ of people in Great Britain—are there departed for ever. though they should not, for Christianity
toe a°,n_laaee a c,, of . Wesleyan Methodists?—( Cheers. ) sake, persecute for conscience sake, on the other hand they
I, gait._ nurch In Ireland, with a revenue of a million should not encourage that which they believed to be erroneous.
ts *me Y"nt have
the ~ nt......w,
,b the Presbyterian Church, with a State He should make no objection now, if this Bill did no more than
greet nallewerau L_ e Wesleyan (Methodists have 100,000/. left. relax the statute of mortmain. And, after all, it was only a
Nol-nf 26,00n5.°! John Wesley, and you exclaim against a compact which was entered into by an Irish Parliament; and
We; Poplin,' for educating the clergy of four-fifths of the never ti:l now,. hail a national inconsistency been committed by
eee_ vse and odists and I shall know how t
(elh;"44 ll'eit'i7n.—(Cheers.c Bring me the case of. the the English thoverhrnen 7 e must say.
Government h also a national sin—of
Nat In tn°, a laugi:.. o deal with it.— endowing a Catholic seminary, for the sole exclusive purpose
) But here is a
.case which could not of teaching the Roman Catholic religion. An analogy had
teal situat gland, in France, or in Prussia, nor in any comatry been attempted, by taking the case of a Protestant landlord
wiit in ed
like Ir, 1
po 4 tile Case e
oarfeds—a (Hear, hear.) It could be and a Roman Catholic tenant. He (Mr. Shaw) was of opinion
'--wer t more
(Pt- e: enable weaker country connected that a Protestant landed proprietor should give the utmost
Powerful one, which has abused its facility to his Roman Catholic tenant, for the free exercise
orsit;, 4.) ti !he minority to triumph over the majority,of his own religion, but he was not bound to give direct en-
thersog like eskaynig placed Ireland in such a position as this— couragement to that which he believed to be contradictory.
teen ;Nat wuleh could • -
exist elsewhere—and whilst those He thought he saw the Member for Roscommon in his place ;
h'itiah anti think it in that country exist and are perpe- they both d ffered in religion and politics, taut there was no
44 0(0,3, it es impossible for •
ally a •,(:)00 n Catholics by you to meet the case of the person in who:e hands he would more readily place his ho-
t°l44d°Weei t° the grant alreacl saying,whee
you are asked to nour or
.his life. On a. question of religion,. however, he would.
conceded—" We are against not deprive him of a single right which he (Mr. Shaw) him-
oe, „settlerlt at all."—(Cheeyr ) The •
question may remain self possessed. He (the Member for Roscommon) said that
Ille 11• whatat a future stage,(Cheers.)
is this endowment to they should treat the Roman Catholics as they themselves
go into hat
tilacteilt hot funds ar therost appropriate ?—(Cheers.) would desire to be treated, but he did not think that it would
e° ._ seem. to now.—( Hear, hear.) In the first increase their friendship if one of them gave direct encourage-
ihthe'qrapie • be perfec_tly cllear, that if you have inconsistency to the religio.n of the oth.er,
his cooduct. The fir prone
itt;'_,lline t It seemshu can have none against the ciple which was violated was this, that while they were increasing
q tedie° tnairitai t° me+ in
i:?ties ideals desist ne voluntar •'
. • • - •
the next place ins- funds for the aid of the Roman Catholic religion, they were
he et all to • ) principle, unless the State diminishing the funds for the education of the Protestants, by
i, reeor_ or mai give endowments for religious pur- making a transfer of the rates to the incomes of the clergymen.
et r
adolite
.believertsoanbye
lltßious e' when efforts for the propagation of truth. While they were increasing the buildings of the College of
*ill knit andowed,"antl'e case of a country in which other Maynooth, the Ecclesiastical Commissioner, were refusing to
theroha lato,atleft without
tte religion which the majority of repair the churches for want of funds. These things were not
ta,iitsfet.e,
that, anornaly.b_es(t, and which alone they unobserved, arid could not be unfelt ; for his own part, he was
assistance, I consider the case one at a loss to kno what had been the inducement which bad led
Hears hear.) I think, her Majesty's Government so to do violence to the feelings of
this
02T from every motive, we are bound to thousands and tens of thousands who sign the petitions which
;itist.4. ) --oeession to the
h Roman Catholics of Ireland.— nightly crowded the table against the Bill. He was sorry to
theh. measure itself. the cite
hit stet '.B of objections chief observations I had to hear the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Edinburgh
But there describe them as mere paper and parchment. The strong feel-
thlP"aiirellight °I the wtch have been forced upon us. ing of England and Scotland was opposed to this measure. The
kelt nut
ti with
it debate, we were called on to resist Hon. Member the Secretary for Ireland stated that there were
kik'''. (11') 3° With peril was brought forward b men who very few petitions from Ireland. But of all the petitions
Ilet ilhrott ear, hear., enal honour or with creditpublic which did from II d I e which was in favour of
as
to ut b ghtfor,er 1 We have heard the same argument • the 13111 was that alluded to by his Hon. Friend opposite, the
t ea
1. reaeh, . ard. But I think this is a question which should Member for Perth, which came from a congregation of Die-
tinie
3,11. t Into conside ' tliZe. ta Id be weighed ration. Ido not think that the senters, as a kind of token of gratitude to the Right Hon.
e the ban ,ee, e ail OctcontY y consideration of party, with Baronet. The Hon. Gentleman then alluded to the quota-
iat t cold tof public
'lt )' he Pass
es . , have ea, good laws, and that •
men, I think it right tions made by the Right Hon. Gentleman the„ Member... for
t`erl 1 think--m PrinCiples public men should Newark from the speech of Mr. O'Connell—
ehlet rne. Shand ' ..."( Loud and continued cheer- thank you ; the ConPciliation-hall is obliged to yAoogitaßtioenpe,al
ti, 'I, es .'Ples
Bat
poihriange
of that it should not a • ear_ seem to have and Maynooth ought to pray for you." The Hon. Gentleman
the seen in oiee to be
.guidedoby those fixed said that this measure was chiefly important on a.ou.nt. of
least
itt „tnereadesirame ttand. in be
_ mtamtehnesewoChrledetrhs.2 principles which it involved. He was of the cameo
0,4`,,1 ta, tali chicuistlitatn should protruP side of the
had been very strongly asserted on the other
0_
!lek`,'ealiet.aat k isle nen._( Cheers cede., pinion. I
complete chango House, but it was very faintly shadowed forth on the par
not
ititttee with
,e needs an an counter- cheers. ) her Majesty's Ministers, who had gone too far, or no
Y argument to
(oda. ith thh
~ ote good, anti it prove that if the far enough. They had excited the fears and the
lieTteerli itsestVo°rsmiioeari may yet be viewed in con- Protestants of Ireland, which they could not easily appease,
conduct and professions of those who and they had excited the hopes of the Roman Catholics with
411:.esta Yet them in• •
of Pt he e,°ur course is Public estimation.— this Bill, which he did not believe they intended to realise.
tt the them
sand the rn„,oretear• We are to distinguish Before he sat down, there was one other point to which he
)111eNto kithorsasure for
ites.-sa( Cheers.) We ought to would wish to advert. He would wish to remind the House
sated
:Iliti-ollii:2-eceIrt:
INtirteevi fotts the we might
speak in
merits, whilst and the Government that they were" now touching on very
fin such forms of tender and dangerous ground.—( Hear.) There were very few
tt, hie Pent t atulai h censure, I feel bo or.—(Hear, hear.) thinking men connected with Ireland, whatever their political
to _ y man to speak.—( Hear.) I opinions might be, who did not labour under the impression
thiNte„ at the ohtl_,avose: ainelienv, and the
.political hostility that their country had long been treated more as a colonial des
Nil latlaagreat tteuealtlficattons of an excellent thel Right Honourable pendency than as an integral portion of the British empire.—
A tiiteteren'i hat he !i:Or finance, andeefo
pea
it best nati„ to 4 great industry g entillinister—that he ( Hear, and cheers from the Opposition.) So convinced were
fince4:°llciteyasi"
therret management of they of this fact, that they were all compelled to admit that
41)4 o....plantter fo rrY "n the Gotseor nowledge, and a "Divide et Impere" had been the maxim by which thoy had
t , t
a,
i.t. r the interest thefnmet of the country long been governed.—(Cheers.) Yes, party against party bad”
led ea ePi ter o ar. 1 o,
niiti experi , But I cannot d Crown and the been too long the only rule in that country.—(" Hear, hear,
liedee, to p,„ ence, a ~.deny that those who, in , from the Opposition.) The only rule then understood in-
>i (Great wer, nnvi eona time have trusted him and variably was, the party of the Government against its oppo-
tea at cheerio find themselvesipssaibleeetuouddetimei de-knelt thi isnents ; and its present state did not much differ, because it was
. habits of the Ri h y i as i now the Government party so divided from side to side that
g t Honourable it might be called the Government divided against itself.—