The Sun.
London, England, 1842-07-08 00:00:00

-:::::BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS.
'lr. REDHEAD YORKE gave notice of his inten-
frau to hove for returns of all expenses at the elections
43r, to
of Parliament in the months of June and
e11,11g4.14.• with the items of charges made to each can-
katWbvftlie.returning-ufficer, stating what had been
Nittktvelw what was payable by them.
RAJA OF SATTARAII.
dx,t:IIITME gave notice of his intention, on an early
ii,/ttalla'muve fur certain returns relative to the Raja of
rh. •

ar*La"-% SUDBURY ELECTION.
at"o••• J. O'CONNELL, in the absence of the Hon.
37,etaber forDundallt. gave notice that, to-morrow, he
analmove that no new writ -should issue for Sudbury
'il the 3d of August.
NATIONAL DEBT.
select4r• HUME then brought forward his motion for a
Committee to inquire into the he
ingsl the
thetr,ninissioners for the reduction of the Natona
linlk;caamissioners for the management of Savings' Banks,
the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury, with the
Hies es of Savings' Banks in the year 1836, and 1841,
oth _ inelusive, by which, under the Act 9, Geo. 4, cap.
ehtitled an Act to amend and consolidate the laws
.41ating to Savings' Banks, the amount of 5,395,6691.
LrQe per Cent. Stock, had been added to the National
IZut, Without the previous knowledge or sanction of
it:rilant. The object of his motion was to inquire
ehtwitibe t manner the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
fua,e'u'll, through the Savings' Banks, the means of
(`‘'Lng four millions of cash.
i'l)n the question being put,
coolie efIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
of tc, Lee no reason whatever for acc.eding. to t_he. motion
4(117 non. Member. The power of investing this money
?4,lll',_een conferred by Act of Parliament. If the Hon.
etaassuer thought the law defective, the obvious and plain
Whim! was to propose an amendment of that law,
ti e.'" would take away the power of which he complained.
°4ld assure-the Hon. Gentleman that since he had
,i °en notice of the motion which now stood for discus-
ti ~n 2 he had received several intimations of the great
t`i,etY which at present prevailed amongst the holders
ast;i'e Rinds, and he was of opinion that this inquiry
tho d.tend materially to increase that anxiety, because
se:6. Persons' who had small sums in the Funds
Wail' be induced rashly to withdraw them. He (the
would or of the Exchequer) could, see no benefit that
4,1•" a arise from this inquiry, and he should, therefore,
qii`ttbe motion.. He was ready to give the Hon.
wain••'`nan any information he might. require ;_ he was
illtq.4„ to discuss with him the propriety of making an
tb,„Von in the Act of Parliament, if the lion. Gentleman
to Shoal that an alteration was necessary; and he was ready
Do that it was desirable to adhere to the Act as it
kaii....st°,od• But to open a Committee to. the Hon. Gentle-
pewer to 'examine into every detail—
ne (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) knew from
ceiiienee he was very anxious to indulge in—was a
th, e which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
cetirt the- House would not act wisely in ac-
t°, and he, at all events, should think it his
4'4 tr do his best to prevent it being carried.
duri -`.°ll. Gentleman had told them that there had been,
of rto
ext' a Certain number of 'years, a considerable excess
Itith ,PLenditure over revenue. On that point he agreed
fact :1e Hon. Gentleman, and no one could regret the
Ility r° re than himself. But he had taken the ?pportu-
lhatsr°,l?l time ta.time of expressing his opinion upon
dial,ll°Ject, and none of the opinions he then expressed
the he desire now to depart from. Upon the subject of
4_lle 'iaavings' Banks lie also expressed his opinion.
"' ral3.-", then, that he did not think it. expedient.
thosele money without the consent of Parliament for
-a•h°a.:os ; but he stated at the same time what he
ks-„x4.130s now to state. that that proceeding of the
the over-Inent had no effect whatever upon the security of
(Ilea.°",e3" which was invested in the Savings' Banks.—
1%47' near.) Now the Hon. Gentleman said that it
11,4 t}eeessary that every body should understand
litkltd at Proceeding had taken place. Why it was men-
Who „every successive year every one in the House
Nei 'scussed the question ; was well known to every
P,a2,4,14(1 so far from it having been clandestinely ar-
oiL" or unknown to every Hon. Member, the
tuaiTrahle Member must have been aware of it, as
tse et' aPPear from the speech he made in the year 1838.
the'.'"'°'l. Gentleman's resolution had no reference to
tupirticular point of Government raising money to
dta~the deficiencies of the revenue through the me-
?twin °' Savings' Banks. It went to give power to
flitiaerie Banks to vest mone in the funded and un-
-044 debt to the amounty of twenty millions, and
!'e reference to the particular point. In
(le4eliE:t he did not move any resolution con-
caw he
did
of the practice, but five years after he
dldhe or a Committee of Inquiry upon the subject. He
tells, t see any need of inquiry, and he would, therefdre,
Ns.,:;-", motion of the Hon. Gentleman. A discretion
of 131,,.tea Commissioner in the Commissione of the Netional Debt,
'll4l,,o_ling money in the funded or unfunded • debt.
Could be more unwise than to have restrained
tioa.,,,r(an exercising that discretion. There was no inten-
thep;' Coneestlment, and it not appearing to him that
the ..was anything requiring inquiry, he should oppose
ilorit,'.B4lllNG said that he agreed with the Right
"tit'-grgbie Gentleman that an inquiry like the •pre-
ItoteLlit'3ldiarays-' attended with great public. incon-
tliseee•'L° Trite* inconvenience, however, might be
',lllittEif-Ilieliiquiry was necessary ; but he would
,tnekv,:„..:lEJA?itirtilile Gentleman that there was not
,414 s Vrt elitgree of concealment upon the subject.
littit:trri* were on the table, and if he required the
to it..o'ettirti, he (Mr. B.) would second him
Gen.,.'"titiii"'f•Or that object. If the Honourable
tho mat '4)°itiislied to follow up his proceedings,
e
faith
'pewer ought to
whi adh
eoptxisted was to
under the Act of Par
move for an amend- -
-tie*--,,c
-
th'regard to the transaction itself, and the eTlNoti'df the lien. Member, he would tell him that
",otifr.;l4tion' could not pass because the figures were
;444,-.4e compared two transactions which were of
,'ncted character. One was that by which the un-.
L'll6, Aebt was charged, not the funded debt ; but
"'bp(' ' te"eut Was created thereby. The Hon. Gentleman
-"tateTed, in his resolution, that five millions
tliel,slo: "debt was paid, but - he was mistaken
Nie"aq°lo amount was only two millions. He
E.Nrt it was rather too bad to charge the late G0tt11,,7411.
tt11,,7411. t With being secret in their acts. Every person
anything of the manner in which the Govern-
S'; 'as car-tied on,g would know that, during the ex-
erni:,',l,°f the late Government, year after year their
.I,'ne's were laid on the table of the House.
,"'aICth:TILLIAMS thought the only way of dealing
ravel. 1,!, !nutter was to bring in a Bill to remove the
ands °' dealing with these Savings' Banks from the
'144 °f those who now exercised it, consisting as they
ti'inly three persons, the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
i°pi;• 1.,,e Governor and Deputy-Governor of the Bank
tiver4t.gland. These parties had the power of
',its, 'lib all sums invested in Exchequer
1;43, , and re-investing them as they pleased.
harTaid make use of -this vast power as they liked.
rh(ar4,;'l,given notice of a Bill this session to do away this
many important matters had come before
liontl4-ase! that he saw there was no chance of carrying
rte lii-t)ugil the House during this sessien. But if the
ea7ktiber for Montrose did not bring in a Bill in
Aft,Y Part of next session, he pledged himself to do so.
k,..1,a few words from Mr. ESCOTT,
ti,'"tien, • BARING said he was anxious to state that he
that tined the practice of adding to the debt, but not
binenabling the Exchequer to pay off the deficiency.
ten ;I'll3-ME-replied. lie said he did not wish to sug-
tr;,lla4tillhing that would not receive general approbation.
the 0 wished to destroy was the power of adding
i` hint Permanent debt of the country, without the
tik) ,of the House of Commons. It was giving
IC„.ehn Power to the Ministers. He had no doubt that
itakht6 t lion Baronet had his peccadilloes.—(Roars of
er
On. It' occasioned by the manner in which the
's --"ehiber pronounced the word.) The system was
''vbs !""then why object to the remedy ? Where there
th°4l,l° tntich delicacy, all could not be right. He
thetite the sense of the House on the question.
• House then divided ; the numbers were—
For the motion
Against it
Majority • —l39
lr MINISTERS' MONEY.
t '
h-elaant MURPHY moved, " That this House
tfts'qlvroi-;,_!vednesday, the 13th day of this instant, July,
takeTtself'into a Committee of the whole House,
n,t4nlea44° consideration the Act 17 and 18, Car. 2, c. 7,
h'pra ;4n Act for provision of ministers in cities.and
tft.:11,,:4.01/.l.,'ro,'Wns and provision
the church of St Andrews in
of the city.g of Dublin presentative
th to with a view • to the repeal. of so
rttB gereof as relates to the' provision of minis
44: Zetclties and c9rporate. towns in Ireland."
f,‘ pas to which his motion referred was an
th in• 1675. It was an Act passed
e
\Vt-torrrurPose of providing payment for ministers
see rorate
gi , towns and cities in Ireland.
3. considered the period when this Act was ori-
Nf'a„,ttitrodueed as the law of Ireland, there were
circunastanCes which rendered that law then
ti7eltate4
theirl2,eonli grievance, because, according to
w__"l opulation of the than corporate towns,
Mil re (loin..
the aR tho_ r, no more by levying this tax than
sapon.le who were the predominant sect pay for
te 144-bo`',:t‘ of those whose ministry they followed.. It
Its ee°llected how completely the state of things
atntlei4„`:4l, had altered since that time. In Cork, for
4D;I, city which he had the honour to repre-
t:Natiose`"d of. the majority being Protestants, the
tija of Call,SlSted of 10,000 inhabitants, and the
eh(ii i
five (~rsatholies to Protestants was at the very least,
e of x to one. And he believed' throughout the
t.
C 4 Perm where, according to the late census,
klitbwica
tatter,
amounted to 8,000,000, the ratio of
114%v that °„4-48senters was as eight to one. They all
tit been the tithes, which were burdens upon the land,
will all Chnle away with by legislative enactment ;
ye:'' by I ne.w that Church-rates had been done away
ars egaslative enactment within the last seven
inst 1111(1 Jet it not be said that he was actuated
e _maintenance of the Protestant Church in
Vret;'st a e tad no such notion. He was of opinion
Ply
ofe
tints in Ireland had a right to the same
f conscience which he (Sergeant Murphy)
;° that ta,, et himself as a Catholic ; but he did believe
; l'ePeal which he sought for would go farther
jer 17111'ain .`tie Protestant Church in Ireland than any
th,asure wh:,711 could be adopted. He did not be-
tf-k w(ireft're, that he was violating the oath which he
C`vtirci i°4 he
y . this entered that house, by bringing
\,ll that he motion, And he was happy .to
Secretary for the Coionies,
het. (As, Par
Seated tyand disunited himself from
connexions by !email of his ad-
wits what he believed to be right; in 18341 when
ta% hi 'Feh.ratu ?notion before the House to do away with
llc,n'telf vote and when those of the same opinion
eira,°„ted for the abolition, and were tannted by
ail 4; LO d rs on the other side with breaking their
414: Stanley .said that he would not cOnsent to
re which he thought would, destroy Ale Pro-