The Sun.
London, England, 1845-05-29 00:00:00

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corn to this country. They
y never even had referredto the
tte." ural pro duce of America. If they only allowed corn_
.0_
c conefrom A ustralia without coming under the Canadian du
upon both countries. They should exchange
they would, indirectly, by that reception bestow a great bother
might
countries,by which their food and the wants of the people .
be furnished. He would call the Right Hon. Baronet oppge
site as a witness of the advantaee of low prices, f"!"
___.
had lately told them what the Ministry had done for tuPyia
He had told them that as food had gone down in prices, and
ist
wages had increased, that crime had diminished and educatio
• ht Hon'
had extended itself. That was the account of the Right .
Baronet opposite, who stated that the supply of food
with tn
and the price of food was low. These advantageseW d
dependent only on the barometer; but they should not dodPli
alone on the tenor of the weather, but also upon the go r_
).
of the nation and the continuance of industry. By the eV
tion of those principles vindicated in his Noble Friend's r
bo-
on t e
lutions, not only would great advantages be conferred
d to
labouring elasses, but those advantages would be carriess
.‘
was greeaviee
their greatest height. The present state of the law,.
e,_,l!
affected prices of agticultural produce, could not be upeb Jan:
for if it were, it would be impossible that there could be _ 1!•1
continued demand for labour. The more he persevered
todorfeu
following this subject into its minute details,
the stronger he found his argument fortified, namely,thtbat_ctebiet
lower the prices of food, the greater the abundance, asot, „
as the advantages to be derived to the country from sweuiel;
state of things. It was quite clear that a state of the law e und
would enable the poor to supply themselves with a cheep
more abundant supply of food and clothing
do, the better would it be for all classes of the conlirlunithY; tee-
cause it would cause an increased demand, not only tor .
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nutactures of this e. untry, but also for imported vile , in
free trade
Hear, hear.) If the Government permitted a
corn, that led necessarily to cause a further increase in thouk!,
venue of the manufacturers, and then again
that'
ultural
in its turn, lead to a greater consumption of aerie
clear
produce.—( Hear, hear, hear.) It was quite
to e
the
that there could be no greater blessing on the
country than abundance and cheapness, while' i thee
other hand, nothing could be more deplorable
ken'
scarcity and high prices.—t Hear, hear.) Theo lieethe agri-
what they had heard in that House that evening, tbsadvantagee
of a good harvest.—( Hear, hear. )—Ands until
cultural classes had not hitherto participated
in
the
a rices of
than they now. reoahueld..
the P level,
agricultural produce should be reduced to their proPeeret their
the farmers of this country would find it difficult to rat state of
engagements.—(Hear, hear.) W hat did the presenaot cow
things augur but this, that the present supply vvas,,e Govern-
mensurate to the demand.—( Hear.) Whereas, ifs" could be
silent did but increase the facilities of produce, tbre.tiereesed•
no doubt that the prosperity of the farmer would be Deere sod,
These were the views he entertained on this sallow of his
holding them, he could not but support the res°l;ll -twat, as
Noble Friend, for he regarded them, farmer, a lid the 1.
tending towards the prosperity of the aes eoontri.
motion of the happiness of the working classess of totried to
egl
—( Hear, hear.) But he should confess he felt Meh_cogois
even further than his Noble Friends in the assertion 1* if they
n the principles he laid down ; but such as they w_e_ree'tit be
should not be carried out to the fullest e'`,,,- 'sheet
feared that this House would see, in a febeteefiai,a,
years, perhaps a few months, the whole of their_ bor. )
schemes tumbled to the ground. —(Cries of " Heraliestionte
question." Hon. Gentlemen might cry Here the Noble Lord was interrupted by cries of. 'but b
tbeee,
thought they were bound to listen to the argumente_ated most
who were of opinion that the present system opf the tits:
epressively on the working classes. In his oPini been per
for compromise had gene by. Compromise would have was °kr-0
feetly practicable a few years ago, but now the time our' d
when the corn-lawn and every other protective duty
ril.o and
once to be repealed. He would deal with the es°t oneet
every other protective duty. He would abolish he pares
immediately every duty not levied bona fide for t woe of
of revenue. Whatever was intended for Pro him s'ef
would at once repeal. The difference between t tootle do
the Right Hon. Baronet was as to the bee isbod to_
arriving at free trade. The Rht Hon. Baronet,wteode of ;-,
so gradually—he (Lord Howick) thought the hen the eieltiste
questtomof
riving at it was the shortest, the most directs ,ieolttn,he
This, too, , would be for the interest of the q'ty for 11-0,
themselves, because what they wanted was eeirtry roar ar
future. This was his great objection to a fiae" ne- filen of
there would be no certainty in a fixed duty. Eh Rot le „
to ts- A gra
monstratingly_proved that the wisest course waseore Lie&
protection. The system of protection was a deln%fest °_„o,dd
dual relaxation of that system would be liable teit'bich "nne
tion. It would keep trade in a perpetual fevehrefeestioranied
cause great loss and injury. But this was not t questi,e°,b, la•
mediately raised by the first resolution. Tli,e:eion 01: „vise,
by the first resolution was, whether the con"'" If etue"„e its
bouring classes was satisfactory or otherwise
old itaPr°hetra•
could Parliament improve it; and if they oto applY
was it not their duty at once, and without delay,
tective
selves to the remedy.—( Cheers.) of Pr° oaS'
e I (elpOrg
Sir J. HANNIER argued that a reduction
°woe,.
duties would not benefit the consumer in thisch the i-tiele
much as experience had taught them that WI that ar_, iiis
duty on any article was abolished the price 0
ollectea or
abroad was immediately raised. It should he r_eeeived Pa of
one-eighth of the whole population last year was r
WaS deSir°llsple
chial relief. There was one thing to which b, of the pow,
calling the attention of the House—the education ,
elector it . _
an el bit
of the people in the fine arts. Some years ago,
d stripped f.
telling him at the hustings that poverty.
he
that be (Sir.:l,
of his franchise, expressed an earnest wish „ for the roe
Hanmer) would in Parliament support reeasvur lie ha" ' the
cation of the people in works of science andoatat. to forwardldren
done so, and would be always most anxit
give his Oat ,
views of the poor man whose 0 .
bject was o g
,_efore .
d, In 18:3b, ° eel'
the means of obtainino- a decent livehhooo,
true_
h valuable „
Committee of that Himse on the
r finetahre Alint, Mr. Cockere.;
deuce was
given.
And
the
e"-averofevidence to the effect that s.C.,
an architect, and others, gave
tific knowledge woultt.ert
neral diffuF,ion of artistical and scientific
In fact he thottitelli
most advantageous to the country.
t of much usefot;‘,
would open a channel for the employmen
' ought to be 'isod
ingenious labour. He thought everything -
„f the itb
which could be done to improve the cultivation ._ oar w
and place this country in this respect on the Sarlrfs;aret',.,
other countries, as it was in point of skill and mane tgr;...
Sir ROBERT PEEL had beard with surprise lore
sion of the Hon. Member for Sunderland, that "ellea be -of
vaded the majority of the House on the question teodilion if
it, and had charged disregard of the welfare aildelitrlP gee
the people upon his side of the House more partifoddeat
he (the Right Hon. Baronet) thought that reel, class' •
was felt on the condition not only of the labouritle phi
or
of the entire community, he should agree with ft of the,„leotri.
so emphatically advanced, that such was a proo a the cw- lisi.
petency of that House to legislate for the welfare
t,
_t the. le
—( Hear, hear,) But it was in no such feeling_
,11.aer atopitilid
lessness of the House was to be sought. It was_r_arie Lords, the
able to the predominant conviction, that theol:l,% spirit :we'
not brought forward his resolutions either i the 'or two'
method calculated to ensure success in Parliameon, 00P:del
tage to thecountry. He had alluded to the absen_o,°_`ton! the
her for Dorsetshire in rather unfair and certai 1.1,et, for,,,e,a
terms. No man could have evinced a greater
saateiJaciorpte
welfare of the people, nor have devised more hear.) itietsbe:
sures for their benefit and prosperity.—( Heari'Ard the oure-
had taken a different course from the Noble
a_tieat me lest
for the city of London. He had suggested pr che wee 70001,
person neral and indefinite propositions, a,, obseoeee rig,
pon whom an invidious expression on hiose, to tOr,bey
be passed. The Noble Lord might have tutir Oani 111 re pot
and left on his own side of the House and see
__ittioo we, the
who would support him in his present mote"
;tea hi° eel °fel
to be found in the number of those who suPllske Wool
early part of the evening. He would n"t would .ittb
opposites
re or-- el be
mention what, perhaps, otheas were not aware been
_tit t,_.l
early part of the evening an attempt
coo
0.. osetwt,
to get rid of the question by
seeoe I.:l3•ltri soy.o Olt:
House.—(Laughter.) He could not a tehangealg note
purpose could be answered by undertaking of bringlopire et
policy of the law. And as to the expediene,eY__„,,iog,,h 002
ward a series of propositions, each of them d ',7,'„,,asfai;,l
discussion, and requiring some considerable '11"
th test ilidapt
as was worthy of the importance of the subject--boe bad
~,ude ,
found in the course adopted by his followers•
i,ptit, incte.!;, rid
to the poor-law, another to the suffrage. :lions, Ittiorro boa
of the number and incongruity of the Pi:Vet laws,
to
possible to follow or adopt them. No abstr.ao wig, „ten to
or ought to be adopted as to a change in tli sad" heenLeet
effected —th r.-, ter
mode whereby the change was to be effe eei of to
hear.) more ob
gated, or at least suggested.—( Hear, -- wain s too itlie
colonisation, there never had been a time
_wont ile 'or
sive scale was proposed and open to a Gov,eionies• teuntle,
the Noble Lord was Secretary for the C'etort by °pest,
Right Honourable Baronet) would not Lc Lord pertoie
reproach, but he would remind the Noble that stele If
that, with all the facilities offered of sibe fille's
he was unable to suggest a Plt,ortanleocL/
colonisation. That the subject was of I:fledged. Aetss7,-,,e
and unequivocally admitted, but before hoal'..re ertd:e one
any system he should like to know its
iti_`Lee to"01:e" itideist
( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had done j.50‘01 of this
b or
pursued by his opponents in the prosecitt„od be ~filta toir
The absence of asperity had been marked, 7.:1 00k Go•
such calm and dispassionate discussion '
wo
iumperntobti the
peo,
tense the consideration of a subject 5°
_dopted the vote
mentous. But what had been the course
,i,. of , $ we'
vernment with respect to the ednee'lrelanut eu,oo
ple ? They had lately proposed for
nation; thei,,
of 184 so e4l
of 75,000/. for the purposes in
to ,
thin. In 1841 the vote was 50,0001- laud, W „Jot 001-
proposed for educational purposes, in Eng the a• 0- f 55; 04
in 1844, 40,0001., and for the present year tone. ogee, bi:
had been no less than 75,000/., being an ,3aat be n' l'pl t
on the present over the preceding grant. P theor4O,Viocir
had done nothing which ought to dishearten frooloete odes.,
increased the grant for educational put*P"se pr°, ill Vbe at
70,0001. He considered it a great c,bject.Letioe of or
tion, when it carried with it the approbs__„bt, "_, the the
The resolutions of the Noble Lord, he theonie, bte"obieb oct
little value, when compared with the stv'tto eid,r atonement
vernment intended to promote, anne by thele still'l'epcli-
Government would call upon those wit,
_ro withthe eet pro-
time were capable to co-operate with
libels;there ,1„, Wittio &re
of the object. But let us not be too
e_„aduto J_,o at r
cou-
ture of the public money. Let us proee leg:, of th°l;i3betc. do
dent generosity, to insure the co-oPertnew of ryoe, tb ly to
willing and competent to assist us. Fie ti oiler 0101007 the,'
necting link between the lower and tbelt.:rward e
thatisbon we
desire of those who were able, and came ; is
1 to v7-°snded toer
contribute to the comfort of individeaLaord dont teosiveto tbe
were so much indebted. The Nobb. _at and
c eady h,tberel
should give our support to a rather ltdr",, have al del oil 'tote
sure for the promotion of education•
Haar.) It
founeao to
leap;
authority of a fatal experience olt ii.,9ea by a,Poniral,
and comprehensive principles.—( bnd ourse"nv vial 'hberP
the toproposition—t is more easy
ben bet we in Ilill 00 csratOlate
but let us pause nd consider b__,,
_36031
Son to e°_°'"degreee;
ourselves. We thought that the r-, ''''
had O— view, ttn Yd
and comprehensive measure, but we nin a rest tr: coal
ourselves that nopledges had been..gLve Nobleoeg whim, he obi
He ohjeetett to the resolutions 01 theircurnstan ion, alegislatai
amalgarerated together too many, e_....ie disnuesssheold
avechiosa
be mue:n better disposed of by mg
that we and to Pt,•ecti 3
jetted to the Noble Lord's requestotio opal 0 loose
***education, to col° was
wf.h respect to
on w" eee-had ° ee hn
'settlements. This, in his resolutions t"-- et the Lied P d
against the receptioia of the
ht
fion• paroonsed hyjie La
by the Noble Lord. The Right
surprised een PrGP .. the l''.° , to votea
to read the resolutions which
that, intentilord heel
Russell, and said that he was
e pressed hi Noble co 80
' had ex the a bet
the member for Sunderland
3, becauSe e Bible
ial 'Cop
I,
in favour of those resolutions, to purest'
ooefie‘._..ol boo_
previously indicated some 14
s° might be!! T'i aid not
1"e",01„tio
deliberate arrangemetitse asir
( Robert , "mit, those aogeolie
Majesty's subjects.
1-b
it ble Lord, or
those arr•ects• et
he could differ from the 0 •
„ied by . ~ obi tej th
ttecomp majesty coo . &IV
into consideration unless
beneficial to her , , have pr .attic , ,
which would be more ford wow. .ny pa_A pe
ht that the Noble tte
_elves to
soot ""t pre
really thought
not pledged tt r''','_, " these ow 005 lief
course as they hat
stein.utted DY
believed w° t• •t
course, except it were '
which were ~.9 ,übjec Shither.•
liberated arrangements,' w
classes of ber Ilaiestgad breethe 14°1ilee
mote the interests of all
he
policy tha oosible ,of .
considering the nature of t .
ow t i
i was
_s_. it, faeout d tite,
pursued, he could not conceivevld
should vt,i;irie Noble then old
Lord the Member for SundeN
ble Lord. ~, tion onter, h
dby the o ted agl'ea tb mate, p 0;
resolutions pr? s
Preideerland had underra
uce' uetione o'
Member f0r4.0
l Lord who had intro.,,_e resol
led dutYbig
jecf. The eob e .
the event ot "1 end a P,ed by if
also declared, that in
he
reel:mitt"' or. e.. ;
he slit'a well st'Pr „le oe.„„„bto
posed being carried, If he was prop. e Ps'
either 55., 65., or 7s. he would 4a. 0
friends and the House
prOP"
otherwise, then be would •