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understood that they bad every improvement in Russia as soon ax
county clerk had jurisdiction in
e; established by- Napoleo.n.--(Hear, hear.) According
as here. He met the oilier day a friend newly returned from ito our present law,
St. Petersburgli, and that hiend told )Tint that he was sent by I
-
the Russian Government to go over all the manufactories iii i. cases of debt up to -40 s. . Considering the change in
England, and observe everything that was going, on in the 1 To , I,',l!ltee of. taioney, he would ruing no change ill
simpe of imro7ed reachineky. Ibete were Fie 'persons ere- `-',IC la'', 1";.'- l'al:ang
plsyed in the t;/.IEZ., Wily by the 10.1,A1i Government. In eix rite azacur.t !o 51. 1j .1: Ile e110..-aceiht.
1 toet ctseee of debt. up to 201. r:Tc.lterte.:l, in tee kilts: -a.
.I_l_ .
te,eeh, he would Ito ha.ck and report te result of his obeerva. eunlete aces of the, couatry, s. more speedy adjuslictiti7
ti,ro, whilst Lis pin.; would be taken ha this -Country by than the essizas afforded ; and ha •enald provide for th, t
another.- 'I hey (the Conference) had seen that other countries , by the appointment of men well qualified and experien.e!
considered manufactures as of some importance.—(Hear, in Westminster Hall, who should make six or
0011
hear.). Nor was it coy wonder, for in manufactures consisted circuits in the year, taking care that they should not
the greatness of Engiaed. If it had not been for manufactures, . have their jurisdiction in the parts of the country with •
how would it have been possible to spend 800,000,000/. it
which they were
expensive wars to prevent reform at lime.—(Hear, hear.) . connected by birth or other
ties. Ile had burrowed part of this Bill hat°
But unless trade were set free, -it was certain
that the manufactures of other countries would continue his Noble. and Learned Friend (Lord Cottenhato),
front whom he was never ashamed to beg or borrow. ,
to increase and ours to decrease. Our best artisans, as
well as our capitalists, were emigratine- to America; the (Ile"rs hour, and it lettgb.) His Noble Friend proPpsc`ll
strengthen, as well as add to the wealth a other Governments. CO appoint tiff teen barristers as Judges of those .140(".;
—( Hear, Lear.) The aristocracy would find, too late, that Courts. 13;tt he (the Lord Chanceller) had not stoma?,
they had Oaken away the only tiring on which their strength de- to digest such a number.—(Hear, :dirt a laugh.) ,Litt,
petided.—( Hear hear.) In the year 1633 he (Mr. Dick) Noble and Learned Lord emu:haled by moving the
funned one of a 'Deputation who waited on Mr. Hume and second reading of the Bankruptcy Bill.
urged bins to let the Whigs be turned out, as they were 'doing Lord COTTEN HAM was hoppy to find that the
do good, and it was desirable that the Tories should have au up- principle of the Bankruptcy Bill now before the 11°11'e
portunity of churning tee people hue little could be expectetl
from th,..m. It was his (+mien that agitatioc should be east ied was the san.i,e res. that of the Bill t,vhich‘,ll.e.
,Itad,!,t)ittdettittoe
litmantr or raying ypose,ite tank.. vs An i!. 1
to
,he
on in such a way as to crush the or.anie institutions of tile
country, and tu make the House of Commons what it ought to County Courts, their juriediction was not foreign
be, the reeresentative of the people. Constitution, but inherent in it. but in principle and flat",
Mr. \Vereemt, Delegate trout Linlithgow, then addressed Lice. \ Vitat lie and ilia Noble Friend on the Wooleac!
the meeting. He said, after the many cases of distress that chielly differed -about,'
.was the machinery by which that.,
have been already before the Conference, I conceive' it 'ante views were to be eel-tie-a into effect. lie differed fro!...
unnecessary almost to say more on that subject. Yet merely his Noble mid ',Partied Friend on the Woolsack 1;
for the sake of showing how very general the depies,ion of thinking that the Commissioners of Insolvency timl t it,
trade is its every quarter of the country, 1 may simply I ll'A over merelta;its of 'London were rig•he in skit. jueiglnula
a few facts. le the town of Linlithgow, whose staple to is when t hey prae-ed fur the abolition of arrest ill eNet''
the manufacturing of statics, business has of late fallen off most
t. • Jr e • found that,t I' three thousand nine lay
lamentably. It has been rapidly dechniug for the last Mee -1"1" w''''' . nut of
moutes, )et the master elreemakers, partly in ssonpathy for tired and five yeses - this persons incarcerated for the n:)911;
their workmen, and partly in the hope of a revival of trade, if payment of their debts. dividends were paid only in 'te
out in the spring, at least in the beginning uf summer, have cases ; and out of one thousand persons imprisoned, !),Ilelliii.
continued to employ their hands as long as they could possibly 154 were remanded fur the improper. disposal el., " tie
afford to do so. But LOW, being completely disappointed of all property. Ofnvhat use was. their imprisonment •
e`;‘,
(Impend for those goods, and their stock' -having accumulated had the authority of the credttors themselves, as 0
double the amount ever held on hand before, they have been pressed in the memorial addressed to Isis Noble apt
'reluctantly driven to the dire reeessity of discharging a great
number of their vi-otkruen ; 'so 'that besides many in short :Lean led .Friend on the Woolsack, that the imprisotialter.
Was ruhuSits to the debtor, mid ofno profit to the oval °To
employ, there has been, for the last two weeks, no less than
seventy ,eorionen • goiest abaut perfectly idle, there bent" no He had ilitr ottinced. iris
of
and Local eit'll.a.,
masters in the present crigis of trade in a condition to give Bills at an early perm(' the sessien, but lie had ;Isla
them employment. Bathgale, a place in the neighbourhood, served the discussion fur a more eel:, t ilieut Uwe:, roc
and prinnina,lly•.vccupica: by
obis
in a most ; .deplorable . state far want of , employ- . and -his only objection to th 3 measures of his %vb.
raent. It is only the best hands WhO are in employ.' (and Friend was, that they did not go far enough. an.,,,a
it may be a. - tom
~.with family), • and - earning would. feel it to.be his duty to take the sense of 1°,41
from three - to - four .. shillings per, week, so.' 'mach Lordibipi Upon his own Bills. He was ',convinced dint
are wages -.now 'TedOced. - Whitbarn, . a small irillage,,Seitit-:
a hundredweavers, is also at the lowest ebb. ii!re
_mphyp_
7t.tifithe-iiitiiiiiiitela,l64,3'olallne country into six di t? eps inel
ja
to
Would not be sufficient ; alt.' •cso
mgr t.. for: the. 'present is not- to be had at all. Blackl?ynsi. - • 1 distri •
i agother village, }tad lately two mills going, hilt row cnie-,la la, --t
not' ssion
tom,.. Crlrintric ''' ers in the five provincia is
emore, and the other at- a *tend still for a tiros, • tails'nrsi
,would be able to dise'narge the buil
toy
greatly augments the number of unemployed. Indeed, so bud 'an Adequate manner. With respect to the end
' are prospects in
.these districts,. that property in shops arid sure proposed by his Noble and Ler-I:nod
a.'scise
other buildings have- fallen one-half in _value. Bones's, for the amendment of the law relating lo I' °toe
Wirtlestan, South Queensbury, and every other village in the he was convinced- that two -Commissioners would
.ae of
county cif Linlithgow are invelved in the general distress and 'sufficient. even taking into account all the facibu ,the
depressinn of business that at present longs so heavily on th s - t t°
country. Isis really grietous to contemplate the amount of : travelling which railroads offered. With respec , Ol
County Courts Bill, ho - differed from hitelCob'tiol
want and commercial distress that. at present exists throughout- Learned Friend in thinking that there wag it, .w be t 0
the land ; and it is even more grievous -to contemplate that,suejee,eir
although there has been a clear mode of allevaition pointed out _and resident local jurisdictions, and upon this
ress t,,
—the abolition of the Coin-laws—yet we cannot preval on the well as the others, it tvas 111 S intention. to ..p
ill
Legislature to see it. They cannot see it, or they will not see Lordships to a division.
ie To to sure, none are so blind as those that won't ace. If Lord BROUGHAM expressed his- coecurrer,,cerod
I remember rightly, I think it was Mr. Windham, who, roost of what had fallen from hi: Noble -and1,1,,401 .
1 many years ago, exclaimed (in the lire of his imagination) Friend who had addressed the House. The
l':rpre
one night in the House of Commens—" Perish commerce ; Courts Bill, as far as it went, met with his entire • Ibisi'
let the Constitution live." Could anything be more sublime batiun. As to the Bankruptcy Bill, he did tot, Eyed
and ridiculous ? The idea of commerce perishing and the that the extension ef the Metropolitan jurisdictiooltio
Constitution pretending to live, notwithstanding, is most sublime ,
10 miles to 100, was greater than the improved fo.i tio
and ridiculous, indeed. Yet, the majority of our present
oso
,House of Commons seem to carry the sublime and ridiculous
eien to a still higher degree, for they would not only perish , . travelling wairranted. The proposed alteratioa in la
commerce, but their motto appears to be—'' Perish commerce, was glad to
lave relating to lunacy, was a great improveineilta.t fit
hear the I ord Chancellor say, ','',.;„,101
aborois
Perish Constitution, perish everything; let the landed interest though his mind Was not made up to the
live." Well. let it live, let the gentlemen of the landed interest arrest in execution, he was disposed to give,
at
v_aticole,
live, but surely it is too ninth, too bad, that they should only full, and (if he understood him right) a f ? nill'
live on the ruin of all other classes. It cannot last—it must consideration. He had ten times introducet!,olo4
not last. int.) the House for extending the jurisdictions of
II 04
Sir. TAYLOR, of Somer's-town, would cot intrude himself Courts to all actions of tort, wherein the damagesetile
upon the meeting, but that he should be ashamed to go back to no more than 50/., whether they were laid for e,""_. let'
bis constituents with the reproach of baring been the silent or assault, or seduction, or false imprisonment„ (ill to
member. He should like to go back with tower
to . tell them that they could do something to pro_ liciously holding to bail ; and he thought that tlw,„lei
Billwould have o better fate than had sttr'tlie
sent
1 mote the object for which they were leagued.—( Hear, hear.)
Sir Robert Peel had sent a person down to London Bridge to his.—a-k. laugh.)
' see what sort of pers.., went to Twickenham and Putney, and three Bills now before their Lordships
He complained that in
.ncenten_,°a)
w aeoc i
0,
otner places, and he found they were all well dressed persons, and provision giving the power of appeal from 1 iie co_
Sir Robert Peel used that as an argument respecting the dis- Courts to the Judges of the Superior Courts.
.)-_,,t dr,
tress of the country. Fancy a person going to London Bridge eluded by assuring their Lordships that he.hael '.,,. col
to judge of the distress of the country.—(Hear.) He should parted from the opinions which he had forinel_y t
conclude with a resolution which he had prepared, to the effect,
that the meeting being deeply impressed with gratitude,felt it to pressed on the subjects which these 11:11s embracirle"'priir
be was, at the same time, pleased to find that t ,
be its duty to thank the Associations of such towns, boroughs, •
villages, etc , which had sent Delegates to the Conference, the owns measures 1101° 'ill
ceplesof his,
Lord Wl. Ni.N ORD could not allow the Elise hit
-statements from whom had made a lasting impression on the
people of the metropolis, whO had expres,ed their perfect coo- clOse, without (expressing his sense of the debt tgi 1
currence with them, that any law, calculated to prevent the the country owed to his Noble and Learned Yri,_ebe 0
poor from obtaining food and raiment, ought to be repealed ; the Woolsack, for the great improvements eaten 1
and that they would use every exertion to obtain a restitution of proposed in the present state of the law. 0
„reble ° re
their rights, and to obtain the repeal of the Corn-laws, and Lord CAMPBELL was glad to see his 0- ,950
other laws calculated to injure the community.. And the meet- Learned Friend on time Woolsack bringing. ill ii n3Li Is'',,.
ing recommended that meetings be held night arid day, in for the 'alteration of the present system of bankraPciol,
order that the state of the once called happy England might than which nothing worse could be conceived, esPe, eiell'
be known. ele et
The Her. Mr. MASSIE, of Salfesd, wished to inform the meet- as it was
.practised in the country districts. 1
to etl
not conceive who a man, not being a trader, sl 0 , ~e
ing that, not only had the inha:. is of the borough which he e
,rile
represented agreed to a requisitios. calling on their Members to I be allowed to avail himself of o -)111--.1upt al, ,
,
use every legislative means to prevent a prorogation of Parlia- ias a Rll.l. 11 'Who was a trader. ;the non-tradr:o ill'
ment until the condition of the country I was • taken into con- lie became insolvent, was not only lia‘,bleiii's pr°,o'
sideration, but the people of Salford, on Saturday evening last, i prisonment, and to the surrender of all be "0,
having been convened by a requisition from the Boroughreeve, ,' perty; but then, even after all his sufferittaearo r,;l
after maturely considering what ought to be dem iii the present 1 nut a free man, as the trading bankrupt was. ,",.,1.01.:',„
state of the nation, came to a resolution, entreating their iNlem-
ber, Mr. Brotherton, one of the mist prudent and conscientious 1
1 son was there for the distinction ? He therefoa.y.tinsteo
men in the House of Commons, to ken in a political 1 o}, stied to this Bill, as it left untouched the nl'oetle'i,
, between an honest debtor, who was insolventLioedb,l
movement, which would relieve the country from its :
Icing in trade, and one that' was in trade.:4l,Y.l3'7lllc
present perillous crisis. The resolution was. re- i
',Noble and Learned Friend would not pies we 00019. d
ceived most enthusiastically . by the inhabitants, both 1
he had read and digested the Report of- tilt"- , )v Jo
of Manchester and of Salford. The condition of these
sioners of Inquiry on Bankruptcy arid. losolvelleJl'efet7n
towns was most alarming. Manufacturers and shopkeepers ,
were dismissing their men ; and the trades of the towns and : was on the table of the House. Hoe greatly P (l-,
neighbourhood- were in a measure completely suspended. The I the proposition of his Noble Friend behind ltioicit",t,
consequence was that many gentlemen who had formerly pro- ' Cottenham) to have one judge resident in a cktiotolo
fessed Conservative opinions now declared that . eethirg could preside in the County Courts, to conduct ingOttcy,ol
save the country but an extension of the suffrage to every adult. ' lunacy, and superintend commissions of bankrq L',lol/'
--(Hear, hear.) He wished it to be known that thousands to carry out inquiries directed from the Court 01
and tens of thousands in the manufacturing districts were in asir
'ter " the or
state of lively apprehension of the results of dreadful desti- ,
tution of the people. They were now Making a last appeal to .iess ,
he LORD CHANCELLOR explained that '45 ,;
the sympathies or the prudence of the governing ject of his Bills was not to create new Cornttlbevl
classes ; arid he believed that if that appeal were new Courts, but to modify.those that exis.ted• xroble‘oo,
made in vain, they would care no inure either respondence between his Bills and those of his .i.';ool)%p
to the Legislature or to individual Alembers.—( Hear, ht ar.) Learned Friend who preceded him on the
o‘.:ded
The step which they now wished to be taken was that the was occasioned by the fact, that both were f',_ ,!ic
supplies should be stopped until Parliament had taken some the Report of the Commissioners of inquire'. ' ' pa 1 i
course which would meet the prevailing distress. The Lunaey Bill, the Country Courts 13i,,11, first°
Mr. RAYNER, of Marylebone, bore testimony to the de-
Bankruptcy Courts Bill were then, severautaoy• a,
cline of trade in the borough which he represented, and in the second time and ordered to be committed on VP ''l,
metropolis generally. Many tradesmen had stated to him that . The Bills
they had nothing but difficulties to contend with ; that their .
business was not half what it had previously been, and the little and the on the table were then advanlce,edril:,,Cl`P'
douse adjourned at Ten Minutes to .
business that was done was carried on ruinously for all parties. ... .,
The meeting then adjourned till to-day. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 1
,l,
GOVERNMENT OF IRELAND'A C..L'
. On the motion that the House do go . int° ~ii.
mittee of Supply,. V'?
Mr. SIIIEL said, that having asked of titl;ls:,,'
Lord, the Secretary for Ireland, to lay on oi, p 1,,,
of the House the correspondence which 1° .e tiohe
relative 'to the restoration of 31r. St. Ge°ll6:sol'lle
eta 501't
hr
and that Noble Lord having' r
~, 0 0
(Mr. Shiel) gave notice that he would n-lcs,`,oo is'
production of the - papers, and that -13.0
~!I.,'''t eftc,ii
the same time venture to impugn the cetla,udeprotie
Irish Government, which he thought ha(l-..i3v4 of
from those engagements which they Voluntal.oV,,j
when entering upon office. lle gave publiqe Fro
his intention, and he furnished the.
~,-S.'°4l4 ic").iti
with a statement of the chief P.!; ttli',ol
to which he intended to advert. He theref°' opy,,'
it would not be considered that he had talteo.teer
fair advatitage.—(Hear, hear.) :Many Bon. .Tog I,°o,
thought he had acted injudiciously in bri,1,1g,,•5eP,4(1
ward such a subject at this late period of tiltitio,';ol;
when the Noble Lord, the leader of the Opesa P., oi
left town, and when the Right Hon. the -1-i°l'atit,i',is
of Dublin was obliged to go and attend theivi,eoll
his office ,• but notwithstanding those difo:00 eect,
he thought it was not right to let the 5e65.1 ritl'Jils!
without taking a discussion upon tbeto
vio
He believed that the impression, .011 1,00,
Government of Ireland had acted inaparl to P et
erroneous. lie thought he would be ableofic,o.l
that, and that, treading in the old
_Aite,'"go
Toryism, they would be led to the same coTioalaoid
to which it led them before: lie-,'-ad„i,tels
into details which would be tedtis 'lOOl
he must intre.at the House not `,,ffli the
to him with favour, but to bear 'I Viloie
with toleration. Ile would first prose, ht 'by
pg ,
pledges which had been given. The , ) tut: o,
Gentleman then referred to the declarabc.'a/kliot)
Sir R. PCel, that Ireland would be ,his dine' (Ption,
to the declaration of the Noble 1,°,, ales to
before his constituency at the las' titeY.,46
and to the reply of Lord De inlitt lost:"
the Address of the Corporation of Pjecall get!!
stated that in the administration of 10 0 di I
"there would be a perfect abstinence fr°,liticu!otet'
feeling," but notwithstanding those decl3nd e;.., p
exclusive principle of Toryism remained ti" 0 P'Cit,
nearly as unmitigated as formerly', all, ,t of ot•
' the executive was concerned the `'fro
dice
tholic Emancipation was not t AD),
per'
They had appointed no Roman Catholic tllst 3 y' 1!,
of importance. They would not tell hilno•Dettr,,;o ci
tonal fityour had been conferred on l‘if..'o',,e, oft .0 Do
the Lord Chancellor appointing. him to,..'at was !.f the
about 7001. or 8001. a year, or that wtiality u lot
considered as an evidence of the impar , ease ,01
1 - I'°' .10°7 ,
present Ministry. Tne nation -dic..,avilly„
top
such paltry remunerations; it 111",,e toiefo 41 to
to the high office that tended to exalt 1" , et tp,, ,lot,
eNp. • la 0
They might say to them, could they
~,s, co, bee
appoint their law antagonists ; true, What ler did
I but still they might act with justice...l tbat Yett.witb,,i
the course- taken in 1836 ? Wll3', 31,i, Ancl-01eet,
I found Mr. Blackburn Attorney-Genet .wee're'", the
standing the change in the Ministry, i'',o.l.,ipte.l:;.tisej
in oflice Mr. Sergeant Greene was 'coi,,,e?;,•%ers.
Castle in 1835, and when Ow, -Air. (5 'er'
came into power they- retaineaw bile Air. the
He wished to ask why it WILS that'
retained 4,:f5 05
guilt Greene, a Protestant, wais .1 i„ 18,0,,0' or
Government of Sir Robert I t'ta beet' ‘-,...)1(
Counsel for the Castle, after be
,na:geil,ottrncop,
sel fur the Castle under
I.l.:lnai:if
mi..
~
Lcid it.l.r. N°"l'itliogi
tins .
wished to ask why it was
had
a d
no Romannot been
nsolicited,
f Adl" i''
gaetntthieeilliaatne cllll. %el- this r,1,',1.14'il
tration, to retain his off:ce? ilei_.T/Fil"
.retie Ju'cit'i, in'
able circumstance, that the Dttoo, a v,,,,s in
,Aisin
e. -gonab
Journalelhted, thodwd-heincloiunitcsedp
at
hr teYrei itlen t 1 u

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS, July 18.
LAW REFORM.

The LORD CHANCELLOR then said he had
laid on the table three Bills, of considerable import-
ance, in relation to the administration of the law. The
first was an Act for the better regulation of County
Courts, the second for the improvement of the
Courts of Bankruptcy, and the third for the regula-
tion of the Six Clerks' Office. In reference to the
Bankruptcy Bill, he must say that, notwithstanding
the defalcations of some of the official assignees, the
appointment of those officers, under the Act
introduced by his Noble and Learned Lord (Lord
Brougham) had operated greatly to the advan-
tage of creditors. The first change which
he (the Lord Chancellor) proposed, was. to cx-
tend the jurisdiction of the Commissioners to one
hundred miles from London, instead of forty, which
was its present limit. It frequently happened that
the County Commissioners were parties to the ease
upon which they had to decide. Very recently a
case came before him in which two of the local Com-
mis ioners were debtors, and two were creditors to the
estate, upon the affairs of which they were called to ad-
judicate. He proposed to bring all cases of bankruptcy,
tthin a hundred miles of London, under the juris-
diction of the Metropolitan Commissioners, and to
select, beyond that limit, five large towns, in each of
which there should constantly sit two Commissioners,
to adjudicate on the cases occurring in the surrounding
districts. The Noble and Learned Lord then read a
memorial presented to him, and signed by 650 mer-
chants, bankers, and traders of the City of London,
praying him to bring in a Bill based upon the prin-
ciples upon which his proposed measure was founded.
But the Memorialists also suggested an alteration of
the law in respect to imprisonment in execution. Ile
was not prepared to agree to the abolition of arrest
in execution, but he had not formed a decided opinion
on the subject, and he wished to keep it separate
front the clear and simple administrative measure
which he now proposed, which ought to be consi-
dered on its own merits, and not confused by the ad-
mixture of any doubtful question. The object of the
present measure was to extend' to the provinces the
benefits of a system of which the advantages were as-
certained by experience in the metropolis. He had
ioso to submit to their Lordships a measure for amend-
ing the law in respect to lunacy, and all that he had said
with respect to.hankruptcy applied to the present state
of the law in respect to commissions of lunacy. The ex-
penses of the present system were monstrous; and the
Commissioners had no power of remedying the abuse.
The fault was altogether in the mode of inquiry.
Amongst a number of cases Which he remembered, there
was one, that of Francis Evans, in which the expenses
fr om the date of the inquisition to the issue of the order
of maintenance, covering a space of one year and five
months, were 597/., whilst the income was only 2CI.—(A
loud and very marked murmur pervaded the House.)
The Noble Lord went into a statement of the expenses
in other inquisitiom, which he characterised as
equally monstrous and unnecessary. He proposed that
there shoUld be two commissions. The inquiries which
they would have to conduct were always simple, and
never required so much labour or so much discrimina-
tion as the commonest ease of bankruptcy. lie further
proposed that the Commissioners should Le added to the
body of iwpectors, as constituted under the present law.
He had next to bring their Lordships' attention to the
law re sporting County Courts. Ile had Ow ays been
adverse to the establishment of local courts. But in
every session of Parliament Bills were brought in to
establish local courts ; and it was most desirable that all
should be reduced under One law. The great evil of
local courts was, that with them you must have local
judges, and it' they be judges without appeal, there
would be as great a diversity of law as there was of
locality. There was this, besides, to be guarded
against, that local judges must necessarily be
influenced by local connexiors, and this was
glaringly manifested in the local courts of France,